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#rockbox log for 2007-04-19

00:00:36XavierGrindeed
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00:15:48dionoealinuxstb, jhMikeS: where are the mpeg2_fbuf allocated ?
00:25:38linuxstbdionoea: Somewhere inside libmpeg2...
00:26:08linuxstbBTW, I've just tried your patch on my gigabeat - it flashed some subtitles up very quickly near the start of the video, and then my gigabeat froze completely...
00:26:17dionoeaseriously?
00:26:31dionoeausing the ed subs?
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00:26:54linuxstbNo, using my own video and srt file.
00:27:04k0rnzanyone run rockbox on 5th Generation 30Gb Video Ipod?
00:27:53dionoeaah ... i only tried with the ed subs. Can you upload your srt file somewhere so i can see what's wrong ?
00:29:04linuxstbhttp://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/problem.srt - it may well be my srt file...
00:30:04dionoeaHum, looks ok to me up to item n░4 (I didn't do −−> "no date" handling)
00:30:27dionoeaeach item has to have a start & end date on the date line
00:30:53linuxstbYes, I'm just testing in mplayer, and mplayer ignores subtitles with no end time.
00:31:16linuxstbAny idea if end time is required in srt files?
00:31:39dionoeaaccording to the comment in the VLC source code it is
00:31:52dionoeabut since there are like 10 000 subs format ... i'm sure that some people say that it isn't
00:32:33linuxstbBut in any case, a hard crash isn't good...
00:32:49dionoeait's call SubRIP http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=SubRip
00:33:48dionoealinuxstb: agreed (as stated earlier, i didn't do error handling yet ... one of the reasons being that i didn't want to code strtol ... but i'll do it)
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00:34:18dionoeas/call/called/
00:34:35linuxstbWell, if mplayer is failing to display my srt file, then I'm happy to accept it's bad...
00:35:05dionoeayou can fix it using a simple awk script i guess
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00:36:01linuxstbAlthough if a sub should be displayed until the next one appears, what do I put for the end time?
00:36:12dionoeathe next time
00:36:25linuxstbBut isn't that saying "display both subtitles at this time"?
00:36:42dionoeawell substract 1ms then :)
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00:59:31linuxstbdionoea: I fixed the timestamps, but it's still crashing in the same place and not displaying the early subtitles correctly - it just seems to scan through all the subtitles really fast...
00:59:38webguest60666when is The Rockbox Utility going to be finished?
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01:00:07linuxstbNothing in Rockbox has a timescale attached to it - people work on it in their free time.
01:00:08dionoealinuxstb: ah, it's using 1 digit only for the hour (i hardcoded that to 2 digits for hour, minute and sec)
01:00:23dionoeasince atoi can't tell me how many it read
01:00:28dionoeawhich is why i need strtol
01:01:16dionoeathe "specs" seem to require these 2 digits (although adding support for 1 only should be easy)
01:01:49dionoealinuxstb: it's the += 2+1; in the code (2 for the digits, 1 for the seperator)
01:02:16linuxstbI think Rockbox has a sscanf, although it's not built by default but Doom uses it via a hack...
01:02:34dionoeaah ... that'd be awesome :)
01:02:39dionoeaI was looking for one
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01:02:52linuxstbLook at how Doom uses it - it's not pretty...
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01:04:03dionoeaelse i can do something like: int foo( char *str, char **end ){ int r = 0; while( *str >= '0' && *str <= '9' ){ r*=10;r+=*str-'0'; } *end = str; }
01:04:07dionoeathis should work
01:04:35dionoeaand then use h = foo( cur, &cur ); cur++; (instead of the current atoi lines)
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01:05:40dionoea+ *str++; at the end of the loop
01:05:44linuxstbNow we have svn, we could just move sscanf into the plugin lib if it would help. It would at least remove the hack from doom
01:07:12Ranbeehi, i want to update my rockbox for the first time, i have the 60GIG ipod video. do i just download the latest daily build and drop/replace all the files, and that's it?
01:07:21dionoeayup
01:07:35Ranbeethanks, dionoea :0
01:07:41linuxstbAlthough it depends when you first installed Rockbox. You may need to update your bootloader.
01:07:45Ranbee*:) i always do that lol
01:07:56dionoeaisn't this the first time ? :)
01:08:05Ranbeelinuxstb: about 3 weeks ago
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01:08:27linuxstbRanbee: Then no problem - the last bootloader was released a few months ago.
01:08:42Ranbeegreat, thanks for the help linuxstb
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01:10:49dionoealinuxstb: i fixed the atoi thing here (hopefuly)
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01:12:24Ranbeecan i keep my backdrops and themes directories to keep my themes, or is there a config file that goes with them?
01:12:42TrueJournalsYou can keep all your old files... just replace any new ones
01:12:56TrueJournalsDid that make sense?
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01:12:59Ranbeeok, thanks TrueJournals
01:13:06TrueJournalsNo problem
01:15:21dionoealinuxstb: any idea where we first know about the video'z size (sequence->width/height) in mpegplayer.c ? Somewhere in the while(1) loop ?
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01:18:34linuxstbdionoea: It's where vo_setup() is called.
01:19:06dionoeathanks
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01:31:47Ranbeethanks for the help. i love rockbox xD
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01:34:11endor43Hi im very new to this forum so please feel free to correct me or anything..
01:34:31endor43i have a question
01:34:50endor43i was browsing rockbox's website 's patches section and came across this patch for the 80 gig 5.5G ipod what does it do?
01:35:07endor43will it possibly let me use rockbox on my 80 GB 5.5G and if so how do i use it?
01:35:26endor43is it possible in any way to permanently damage your Ipod 80GB 5.5G by installing rockbox on it or using rockbox on it ?
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01:36:14TrueJournalsWas just going to answer his question...
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01:43:09Soap2TrueJournals: he asked the same in the forums - answer him there if you so desire ;)
01:43:22TrueJournalsI was just going to look there :-p
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02:00:33joyrexDo the rockbox files need to be dropped directly to the root of my gigabeat or do I just copy the .rockbox folder there ?
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02:14:12scorchekkurbjun: there?
02:15:12sslashesamiconn: around?
02:15:25scorchelostlogic: thanks for fixing the ifdef btw...i was going to get around to it, but i got quite busy this week
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02:22:53Lam_i have a problem with my ipod mini 1G. the rockbox bootloader loads up fine but i forgot to install the .rockbox directory and it gives an error and tells me to either go into disk mode or restart itself, but regardless of the button combination i press, it's not responsive. i know it still functions though because i can flip the hold switch on and it tells me it's turned on
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02:42:29Lam_yeah.. definitely need to get into disk mode somehow
02:48:07sslashesdoes anyone else here have a good understanding of amiconn's viewports idea?
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03:09:54MonkeyTamerI have a question that I'm wondering if some experienced CD purchasers may be able to help me with... has anyone dealt with Cactus Data Shield 100 before>?
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03:58:06Soaa-Hi everyone, I just tried hacking the flash of my gigabeat and I think something went really wrong.
03:58:22Soaa-I described my problem in the thread about the hacks.
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04:00:04Soaa-Shoot, some moderator just deleted my posts. I don't know why.
04:00:26Soaa-Oh oops, it was split.
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04:09:42JdGordon|unihey all
04:10:55Soaa-Hi there.
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04:26:01Soap2Also, Soaa- be careful of your usage of the word "brick" it has a specific, and emotionally charged, meaning.
04:26:22Soaa-My gigabeat was "bricked".
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04:30:35Llorea1Soaa-: Even if it was, apparently your bricking has nothing to do with Rockbox.
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06:02:15scubacolestotally off topic, can anyone here translate Turkish?
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06:26:01Br3ndahmm. today's build crashes often
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06:28:06LloreanBr3nda: Do you actually mean the daily build, or do you mean a current build downloaded at a specific time today? As well, what player do you have, and what circumstances cause crashes?
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07:08:28EbErTcan an able-minded person tell me what the "tagnavi.config" file does?
07:09:01EbErTwanting to know if i have to replace it w/ a new one, or if its the pref file for my id3's, which i dont wanna index again
07:12:55JdGordonit controls how you use the database...
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07:19:18EbErTso i should update it every time? its not the file that stores id3 tags
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07:31:31JdGordondan_a: you around?
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07:45:33ptw419can someone tell me what file load_raw_firmware is defined at?
07:46:15ptw419nm
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08:07:10JdGordonanyone know what stage sysfont.h is made?
08:07:13JdGordonin make?
08:09:24amiconnfirmware/Makefile, lines 45f
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08:10:00amiconnlinuxstb: r u there?
08:12:02JdGordonamiconn: moving files around in the /target folder shouldnt stop it from being built right?
08:12:39JdGordonit doesnt get built when I try a h10 build, but it does for sansa
08:20:09EbErTwaa, getting data aborts on install :/
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08:25:15c0mpub0mbwhat is the newest stable build for the ipod video 5g ?
08:25:48c0mpub0mbi tried downloading the newest builds for my ipod video g5 and i couldn't play a single file without rockbox locking up on me :/
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08:26:41t3can someone help, im trying to download a source from a SVN...
08:27:33t3helo?
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08:28:39B4gdergood morning!
08:29:23JdGordonmorning
08:29:45JdGordonwho stole B4gder?? since when do we get morning instead of mooning?
08:30:06JdGordonand why the heck is the h10 refusing to make sysfont.h :'(
08:31:25c0mpub0mbmy g5 keeps locking up with the newst build :/ everything upto http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20070415.zip, the only one i know of which works perfectly without a hitch is rockbox-ipodvideo-20061018
08:34:38GodEaterc0mpub0mb: update your bootloader
08:35:14*B4gder puts a "moo"-sticker on JdGordon to prove his true self
08:35:29JdGordonawesome :D
08:35:48B4gdernow don't eat it all at once :-)
08:35:48c0mpub0mbGodEater: bootloader ?.. uhm.. the new OS boots, just when i go into file, and play a mp3, it just hangs, it loads the file etc, it just doesn't play anything, it just hangs there.
08:36:14JdGordonB4gder: oh, do you know why the code to allow the backlight hold setting on the sansa has been #if 0'd out since intial commit? the code works fine
08:36:30B4gderJdGordon: I don't know
08:36:48B4gderI just talk, I don't actually know anything
08:36:56JdGordonok
08:37:05JdGordonhopefully dan_a pops in later
08:37:15B4gderyeah, he's been gone a while
08:37:48c0mpub0mbGodEater: so your saying i need a new bootloader for the ipod ?...
08:37:49GodEaterc0mpub0mb: that's because you're using an old bootloader which isn't compatible with the latest version of rockboxc
08:37:56c0mpub0mbi mean, it boots the new rockbox os.
08:38:03GodEaterc0mpub0mb: yes - but not properly
08:38:09c0mpub0mbGodEater: ugh! i don't even remember how to do everything.
08:38:19GodEaterc0mpub0mb: that's what we have the manual for
08:38:21c0mpub0mbi set this stuff up a long time ago.
08:38:31GodEaterc0mpub0mb: go back to the section which mentions ipodpatcher
08:38:35GodEaterand follow it through
08:38:38GodEaterand you're good to go
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08:38:53JdGordonthe tatung tpj1022 is a pp target yeah?
08:39:02c0mpub0mbGodEater: where is that ?
08:39:31B4gderJdGordon: yes
08:39:51GodEaterc0mpub0mb: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.3
08:40:08GodEaterc0mpub0mb: make sure you've downloaded the latest version of ipodpatcher too
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08:44:00amiconnJdGordon: 'mooning' was me, sometimes. And I don't know why your h10 build doesn't make sysfont.h 'cause I don't know what you changed. Builds fine in svn.
08:44:11amiconnOr rather, mo0ning ;)
08:44:34JdGordonoh? woopsies :p
08:44:43c0mpub0mbdo you still need the file rockbox.ipod ? in your root dir ?
08:45:00c0mpub0mbsince the new versions of rockbox don't have that file in their zip files
08:45:11JdGordonIve rearragned files in /target and fixed up SOURCES and configure accordingly, h10 doesnt work, but e200 and tatung both work
08:45:20B4gderc0mpub0mb: they do, it just moved
08:45:44JdGordonhmm.. no, tatung doesnt work either
08:46:06*amiconn isn't sure whether the tatung ever built
08:46:25JdGordonI mean sysfont doesnt build for it
08:46:30JdGordonbloody odd :p
08:47:05amiconnOne of those prepared-but-almost-done-nothing targets by linuxstb
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08:49:29B4gderthe bootloader built at least
08:49:37David_Can't see hidden folders in toshiba gigabeat F series root folder in windows vista - any suggestions? (folder options have show hidden on)
08:49:43B4gderit has served for other mi4-targets to test-run
08:50:03c0mpub0mbit worked, but i still think the treble doesn't truely work on the ipod 5g
08:50:04c0mpub0mb:/
08:50:35davinaDavid_: get yourself a decent operating system like linux ;)
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08:52:12DavidLdoesn't help - closest linux computer is hours away this time of the night and don't feel like burning some cds -_- is there any1 experienced w/ gigabeat rockbox installation on windows?
08:53:16davinai cant look coz i dont have windows but isnt there another check box like 'show system files' as well as 'hidden files'?
08:54:00amiconnOn winxp there is. Don't know about vista
08:54:30davinayeah the little i have used vista it seemed a bit counter intuitive
08:54:47davinaalmost like they didnt want you to fiddl with the settings
08:54:50DavidLi unchecked the hide protected os files, still nothing -_-
08:54:55GodEaterDavidL: you also need to enable "View system folders"
08:56:11davinaif you get a dos windows up (by selecting 'run' then typing 'cmd') iirc does dir/h list hidden files.
08:57:38DavidLahh i see. need to unhide both os files and hidden files and not use the dock. thanks :)
08:57:48DavidLthat should be in the guide ..
08:58:16davinai guess thats down to who has Vista right now, maybe you could make the changes yourself in the wiki
08:58:26DavidLyea i'll probably do that
08:59:28c0mpub0mbdoes the ipod 5g support treble at all ?
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09:00:17amiconndavina: It's dir /ah
09:00:18davinathere is an equaliser somewhere. i;venot used it. i think there is also a setting to use hardware equaliser. have a look in the settings
09:01:42davinathx amiconn :) i was going to start up my virtual dos environment and check it out, but i need to get ready for work :(
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09:05:28*dan_a waves at JdGordon
09:06:00B4gderis that a dan_a crawling in here? ;-)
09:06:25dan_aIt is :)
09:06:40B4gdergood to see you back!
09:08:40dan_aThank you. I'm probably not going to be doing too much on Rockbox in the next few days, but I will be getting back into it
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09:11:10dan_aAnd unfortunately I'm don't think I'm going to be able to make DevCon :(
09:11:43B4gderthat's a pity
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09:16:03*petur slaps firefox *hard*
09:16:34scorcheyou seem to do that often
09:17:10petursince the last two updates it crashes way too much for me
09:17:20lachlanUse Opera instead, its a great browser
09:17:23scorchei have never had it crash on me
09:17:35*scorche stuffs lachlan into a corner
09:19:13*amiconn never experienced a firefox crash since v. 1.5
09:19:29peturlucky you
09:19:33amiconnAnd I usually have 20+ tabs open
09:19:44scorchei am usually more like 30
09:20:01scorchei cant imagine life without tabbed browsing now
09:20:04B4gderdid you guys know there's close button on each tab? ;-]
09:20:17*amiconn switched that off
09:20:21B4gderhaha
09:20:24scorcheB4gder: not on mine...i changed that to the old behavior in about:config
09:20:42amiconnI like the old, standard method way more, with the close button in the top right corner of the tab area
09:20:55amiconnTakes less space, and the place to click doesn't change per tab
09:20:57scorchesame....which is why i changed that ;)
09:21:17scorchewhen you have that many tabs open, you cant see the name because the close button blocked it
09:21:28*amiconn uses Tab Mix Plus for a few more tab-related features
09:21:49scorcheamiconn: stop reading my mind and typing them out!
09:21:51*annulus_ does too
09:22:06annulus_I've had tab in the 100s
09:22:21annulus_i get very sad when firefox crashes...
09:22:25B4gderwhy do you have that many tabs open?
09:22:36linuxstbDon't you need google to search your tabs?
09:22:41B4gderwhy not just reload the page again?
09:22:52scorcheannulus_: session manager
09:22:59scorche100s is a bit excessive
09:23:09annulus_scorche. yeah when it works. and sometimes i just want to check the weather!
09:23:10scorchewhen i get to 40, i book mark them all and close them
09:23:29annulus_yeah, except i want to read some stuff "later"
09:24:00annulus_and any visit to wikipedia tends to lead to like 20 tabs being opened
09:24:11B4gder?
09:24:32scorchehe is referring to this effect ;) http://xkcd.com/c214.html
09:25:05annulus_yes!
09:25:26B4gderI can see why it leads to clicking, but not why it would lead to more tabs...
09:25:40B4gderyou mean there are then 20 pages to "read later" ?
09:25:50annulus_B4gder, multiple links from each page. combinatorial explosion
09:25:51B4gderI guess I'm just old or something
09:25:55scorcheif he never closed them...but 100 is a bit on the overblown side...
09:26:04B4gderannulus_: links don't imply a new tab in my world
09:26:20B4gderthe web is filled with links
09:26:27scorchefirefox must take up around 750,000k of memory then..
09:28:16annulus_sure. but i'm interested in everything
09:28:39scorchethat isnt any excuse to leave the tabs open...
09:29:11annulus_indeed...
09:29:11B4gderits not like the wikipedia articles are likely to just vanish when you look away
09:29:38B4gderbut hey, whatever works for you
09:29:40annulus_501 219 1 0 97 0 1407752 468192 - Rs ?? 3261:33.18 ap 111.8 -22.3 Fri06PM /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin -psn_0_1966081 -foreground
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09:30:18annulus_B4gder, sure but I can't really bookmark them either, that'd just be a huge headache
09:30:54B4gderannulus_: when you grow older you'll find the "back" button ;-)
09:31:00annulus_another big link whore is mathworld
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09:49:30caduhello, i'm here to ask some guidelines/advice on translating
09:50:07cadui'm having some kind of a trouble on translating 'Fade-In' 'Fade-Out' to my language (portuguese)
09:50:53caducan't find a word or even a small combination of words that fits in the space nicely, would end up with gigantic strings anyway :(
09:51:35 Part B4gder
09:52:01caduexample: in "Fade-In Delay" i'm thinking in writing 'silêncio->música: tempo de espera'
09:52:21caduthat would mean 'silence-to-music : wait/delay period'
09:52:56cadupeople would get it, so any problem in putting 'arrows' on a string ? :P
09:53:29GodEaterdo you need the "tempo de espera" bit ?
09:53:38GodEaterwoudln' they infer that from the fact that the setting is in seconds ?
09:54:23caduwell
09:54:50caduif i wrote 'silence -> m├║sic' only they would think at first that this is the duration of the fade-in
09:55:04cadus/m├║sic/music/ :)
09:56:01GodEaterI'm just playing devil's advocate here - I don't know portuguese at all so I'm not sure what liberties you can take with it
09:56:43caduand if i just quit and put 'fade-in' 'fade-out' on the strings the tech people (people that care using rockbox) would probably understand, but that's not the point (making rockbox a pandora's box filled with technical terms in foreign language that only geeks can grasp) :)
09:57:14caduehehhehehe, and i'm only at 27% at the .lang file :P long road
09:57:36JdGordonhey dan_a, is there any reason the backlight on hold code in the sansa button.c has been #if 0'd since commit?
09:58:20caduGodEater: anyway thanks :) i'll just stick with the '->' :P
09:59:03caduGodEater: btw i'm striving for only a minimal of loan words
09:59:23dan_aJdGordon: Probably a copy and paste error - I can't recall any problems with it.
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09:59:50JdGordonthats what I thought, I uncommented if and it works fine
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10:00:19dan_aJdGordon: Then commit! :D
10:00:25*dan_a runs off to work
10:00:39JdGordonwill do :)
10:00:58caduGodEater: anyway i'm putting some FIXMEs in the lang file, just in case in future i have some enlightenment and some nicer string pops up in my head :P
10:01:00GodEatercadu: no problem ;)
10:01:07GodEatergood plan
10:01:24caduright now is 'understandable/passable' :P)
10:01:35GodEaterus english users are terribly spoilt with our vocabulary that we don't mind stealing and pillaging from other languages ;)
10:02:01GodEateror just making up as we go along
10:02:01caduGodEater: ahahaha, do you know Japanese? :P
10:02:13GodEaterA word or two, nothing more.
10:02:32peturhaha, somebody bothered to update the ReleaseTodo wikipage
10:02:49caduGodEater: people here are forgetting their own language
10:03:14caduthey get a 'Dorinkku' at their 'Sunakku Pabus Baa''
10:03:24cadu(Drink) (Snack/Pub Bar :P)
10:03:30caduMiruku (Milk)
10:03:30*GodEater searches for the blankest looking smiley ever
10:03:40GodEaterah ok I get it
10:03:59GodEaterI should have sounded it out loud
10:04:01caduand goes on, even HAVING the home language counterparts, the fuckers insist in using loanwords coz it looks nice :)
10:04:09caduthey sound smart speaking 'english' :)
10:04:10GodEaterhehe
10:04:29cadulike 'hairo' (grey).... people here use 'gurei' all the fscking time :)
10:04:50GodEaterI think my g/f knows more Japanese than me - it's a proper second language choice at school in New Zealand where she's from
10:04:56GodEaterit wasn't offered in the UK
10:05:03GodEaterhence I barely know any
10:05:12GodEaterI think what I do know I picked up from reading Shogun
10:05:17cadueheheheh
10:05:30GodEaterand that's probably wrong ;)
10:05:50B4gderwakarimasu or something
10:05:51cadulike, anything not made of bamboos and wood uses 'katakana' (loanwords/whatever) here
10:05:56*B4gder once read shogun
10:06:10GodEaterneat book, if a little gruesome
10:06:22cadulikem untensha (people that drives, raw translation)..... people insist in using DORAIBAA
10:06:34GodEaterhahaha
10:06:37GodEaterI like it
10:06:43caduanyway Doraibaa is also used (obviously) as doraibaa, the tool. >)
10:07:05caduhere is the mish-mash language hell :)
10:07:06GodEateras in (thinks for a second) sekurudoraibba
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10:07:15caduyup!
10:07:17caduHAHAHAHAHA!
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10:07:30GodEaterneat, I speak Japanese now ;)
10:07:49cadujust grab the easy words, put vowels on the middle of every syllabe, and you're done!
10:07:53cadujapanese 101!
10:08:36GodEaterI might survive a holiday to Tokyo after all
10:09:05caduwhat gives me the nerves is that people at television/talk shows/newspapers USE english words like 'i'm the smart one' and then on a sidenote there's the explanation of the english word he just used, so not-so-bright people can grasp it
10:09:23caduthe guy could have used the japanese word from the start :P
10:09:58cadulike 'komunikeshion' (communication)
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10:49:05cropIs it possible (and legal ;-) to call RB funcs other than those in plugin_api in a plugin?
10:49:14B4gdernope
10:49:28B4gderit is possible but not "legal"
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10:49:46LinusNcrop: if you need a function, add it to the API
10:49:47B4gderif you lack a function there you should rather add it to the plugin.h first
10:49:58JdGordon... and plugin.c
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10:51:46XavierGrwhy it isn't legal, what's the downside of doing so?
10:52:06JdGordondont you get linking errors if you try it?
10:52:07B4gderthe downside is that the plugin becomes very fixed to that particular rockbox build
10:52:30B4gderthe plugin api is designed to allow rockbox to change somewhat and still have working plugins
10:53:03B4gdernot that it is a very big drawback since we build and ship them together always
10:53:09JdGordonis anyone else having problems with playback where playback stalls for maybe half a second about 40s into playback, and then goes along playing fine?
10:53:27JdGordononly happens on my h300, not the sansa :(
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11:03:01JdGordonhey barrywardell
11:04:06barrywardellhey
11:04:20JdGordondid you end up doing anything with moving the pp targets around?
11:04:44barrywardellyou mean moving files in the target tree?
11:04:49JdGordonyeah
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11:04:53barrywardellI looked at it at one stage
11:05:06barrywardellmoving all the *-pp.c stuff inside a pp folder
11:05:31barrywardellbut hadn't got to the stage of having anything to commit
11:05:58JdGordonok, well I was bored this arvo, so I moved the sansa, h10 and tatung targets, (and the generic -pp.*) but for some reason the h10 and tatung failed to build after the moved. sysfont.h didnt get created!
11:06:24barrywardellhmmm. i've come across sysfont.h problems before
11:06:33barrywardelldid you use a clean build dir?
11:06:48JdGordondid veryclean and reconfiure a dozen times
11:07:01barrywardellhave you got a patch I can try?
11:08:35JdGordonthe patch shows all the moved files like they were deleted only, so i dont know if it will work
11:08:54JdGordonif I try svn add on the new files it says they are already in the repo ?
11:09:11barrywardellweird
11:09:14markunJdGordon: did you update firmware/SOURCES ?
11:09:19cropLinusN, B4gder: sorry, I was off a bit. The func I'm thinking about is rather special so I'm not sure whether the plugin_api should be changed because of that.
11:09:24JdGordonmarkun: yep, and tools/confgure
11:09:30JdGordonand firmare/*.lds
11:09:44JdGordonbarrywardell: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch
11:09:45LinusNcrop what is it then?
11:10:57JdGordonhmm... doing svn commit shows the files would be moved correctly.. so I dunno..
11:10:59markunJdGordon: what's "target/coldfire/portalplayer" supposed to be?
11:11:04barrywardellipods should be included in the move too?
11:11:07JdGordona mistke :p
11:11:21JdGordonbarrywardell: I dont know... it will just make that folder more of a mess
11:11:42barrywardellbut the ipod uses a lot of the *-pp.* files
11:11:56cropLinusN: I wanted to make id3 tag parsing more flexible to allow e.g. for a plugin that would display the lyrics (or other tags not in mp3entry), see yesterday's irc log
11:12:46cropThus I'd like to make parse_mp3_metadata (or what's the name of the function?) available to plugins
11:12:54markunJdGordon: did you "svn mv" the directories?
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11:13:12JdGordonmarkun: looks like kate really fucked up the coldfire targets.. good thign you saw them :) and yes
11:13:28markunI did that as well for the Gigabeat and had some problems with that
11:13:35LinusNcrop: sure, why not?
11:14:02LinusNcrop: we have no rules or guidelines for what functions can be in the plugin api or not
11:14:08markunJdGordon: when I created new directories, added them, "svn mv"-d the files there and removed the original directories it worked fine
11:14:12LinusNif a function is needed, we add it
11:14:18cropLinusN: is it worth enlarging the api?
11:14:29LinusNyes, if a plugin needs it
11:14:41LinusNthe api size is of no concern
11:14:47cropLinusN: the more funcs you habe in the api the more fragile the code in plugin.c gets
11:14:55LinusNwhy so?
11:15:22crop...since the structure is initialised by the order of the fields, not by their names
11:15:30LinusNand?
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11:16:14cropLinusN: it's very easy to break the order. And this will be (probably) hard to find
11:16:33linuxstbWon't that give compiler errors (types of functions being different) ?
11:16:49LinusNcrop: we have had it like this for many years now, and we haven't had any big problems with that yet
11:16:59*linuxstb can't remember any problems
11:17:08LloreanIsn't the order equally breakable no matter how many there are, as long as that number is >2?
11:17:09JdGordonbarrywardell: :'( it was mistakes in find/replace which stopped sysfont.h being made... lemme fix this all and il put up a new patch
11:17:18*JdGordon thanks markun for spotting it
11:17:30LinusNand we only add new functions last in the struct
11:17:45barrywardellok, cool
11:17:49cropLinusN: ok, then I'll try. But later. I can only chime in here from time to time but have no time to actually write code.
11:17:57markunJdGordon: make sure you do the move correctly and not just delete all the files from SVN..
11:18:13JdGordonmarkun: i did it with svn move... so should be all good
11:18:20markundoes "svn st" show you that the files are being added?
11:18:26barrywardelli wonder why it was complaining about sysfont.h when it was a completely different problem?
11:18:48JdGordonmarkun: yes
11:19:05markunbarrywardell: I got the same error when I didn't update SOURCES correctly, didn't try to figure out why
11:20:13barrywardellmarkun: yes, I think that's when I got problems in the past too
11:21:32JdGordonlinuxstb: is tpj1022 an ok name for that target? or should it be tatung-tpj1022 like iriver-h10 ?
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11:23:11JdGordonhttp://rafb.net/p/INxEft17.html is the what target/arm would look like after commit
11:23:16*JdGordon back in 20... dinner
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11:30:05markunI wonder why CVS was changed to SVN here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/ReleaseTodo?rev1=37;rev2=36
11:30:24barrywardellit would maybe be good to moe crt0-pnx0101.S into the iriver folder (and possibly rename that folder)
11:30:27*petur too
11:31:00barrywardelland the system-pnx0101.c
11:31:03markunbarrywardell: better to have a pnx0101 folder, no?
11:31:14barrywardellyeah, I think so
11:31:15peturmarkun: 10.02.32 # <petur> haha, somebody bothered to update the ReleaseTodo wikipage
11:31:26markunpetur: missed that :)
11:32:08barrywardelland what's the difference between system-arm.h and system-target.h?
11:32:11markunMaybe I will change it back to CVS :)
11:32:32markunbarrywardell: shall I do the pnx0101 move?
11:32:48barrywardellyeah, go for it!
11:33:19linuxstbShouldn't the ipods also be under portalplayer?
11:33:34linuxstb(I'm looking at JdGordon's pastebin)
11:35:50barrywardelllinuxstb: see my comment 20 minutes ago - i agree with you :)
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11:40:33PaulJam_Hi, the nimbus12 font has a bug: the euro sign is at position/encoding 164 (A1) while it should be at 8364 (20AC). Is this worth a bugreport on flyspray?
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11:45:09markunPaulJam_: better just fix it :)
11:47:14JdGordonlinuxstb: well, if we move ipod in also it makes that folder worse... but yeah
11:47:53barrywardellhow does it make it worse?
11:48:10barrywardellis it not just 1 extra folder?
11:49:11JdGordonok, well not really that bad
11:50:42JdGordonhmm.. should ipod be split into ipod-3g ipod-video, ipod-mini etc? or keep them all together?
11:52:04barrywardellmost of them are common
11:52:28PaulJam_markun: i'm not going to post a patch if thats what you mean.
11:52:34markunok
11:52:44markunOr I can just edit it myself and commit the fix
11:53:16barrywardellJdGordon: I think just moving the ipod directory as is to inside the portalplayer dir
11:53:27markunPaulJam_: what should 164 be?
11:53:33JdGordonhave to remove the 2 subfolders though
11:54:03barrywardellwhy?
11:54:26JdGordonso we dont have to fiddle with any more scripts...
11:54:38JdGordoninclude dirs only looks 3 deep in the /target folder
11:54:56barrywardellin that case, then i'd go for a common ipod folder
11:55:17barrywardelland maybe later someone can look at making it go 4 folders deep
11:55:17JdGordonrighto
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11:55:41barrywardellthat could be useful for other targets too. h10 has 5GB and 20GB
11:55:46PaulJam_markun: 8364 (hexadecimal: 20AC) according to this page: http://www.utf8-zeichentabelle.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
11:55:47barrywardellgigabeat F and X
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11:56:56markunPaulJam_: I usually look at unicode.org
11:57:56barrywardellback in an hour or so
11:58:21markunPaulJam_: ah, 00A1 should be "EXCLAMATION MARK, INVERTED"
11:59:59PaulJam_markun: oh, sorry 164 is A4 in hex
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12:00:24markunah yes :)
12:00:40peturhmmm *PANIC* Blocking violation B->*T
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12:02:20PaulJam_markun: btw, the nimbus14 font seems to have tha same issue.
12:02:25JdGordonLinusN: I think adding a 4th level to the paths is probaly a good thing to do anyway, can I change t_model to t_family and then the 4th level would be t_model? (eg arm/pp/ipod/3g) ?
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12:08:09LinusNJdGordon: so it would be cpu/family/manufacturer/model?
12:08:23JdGordonyeah
12:08:34JdGordonthe last one would be optional though
12:09:19JdGordonno... cpu/manufucturer/family/model
12:09:34LinusNok
12:10:26markunthe ifp target doesn't compile, right?
12:10:44LinusNJdGordon: you mean that family would be optional?
12:11:13JdGordonhttp://rafb.net/p/J5a0nG39.html
12:11:18Lloreanmarkun: It has in the past, it didn't the last time I checked (month, month and a half ago, roughly)
12:11:43markunLlorean: I'll just commit the target tree move then
12:12:03LinusNJdGordon: how would it be in the iriver coldfire h-series case?
12:12:50JdGordonno change... should t_model be something like exta_dir or something instead?
12:13:43JdGordonI thought the only problems were in arm with all the pp targets? coldfire targets should be left along
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12:19:47JdGordonLinusN: so its OK?
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12:26:42markunLinusN: it would be nice if the target and drivers directories could somehow be combined I think
12:27:15markunbecause for some components like RTC they can be part of the SoC
12:27:51markunotoh, maybe those should just be moved into the target tree..
12:29:05B4gderdrivers should be for chips and hw that can exist on basically any target
12:29:13markunyes
12:29:26B4gderif they're tightly associated with a specific target, it should go in the target tree imho
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12:31:17JdGordonok, im commiting unless someone says STOP!
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12:32:07markunB4gder: what do you think about the driver/ata*.c files? They look more like something that should be in firmware (like ubs*.c)
12:32:10markunusb even
12:32:33markunor usb*.c should maybe be moved?
12:34:12B4gderI have no real opinion on those
12:34:26markunand tuner_*.c
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12:38:53markunB4gder: is it ok if I clean up firmware/drivers a bit by making 'audio' and 'lcd' subdirs?
12:39:59JdGordonmarkun: dont move lcd*... hopefulyl that will encourage amiconn to merge them all....
12:40:09markunok
12:40:26B4gderwell, personally i don't see a problem with the current layout/population
12:40:54LinusNJdGordon: i don't understand
12:41:04JdGordonwhich part?
12:41:27LinusNJdGordon: the current iriver layout is coldfire/iriver/h100
12:42:05LinusNcpu=coldfire, manufacturer=iriver, model=h100
12:42:13LinusNwhat would it be with your change?
12:42:38LinusNwould h100 be the family then?
12:42:43JdGordonyeah
12:42:47JdGordonmaybe the names are wrong
12:43:08JdGordonkeep model as model, and add a new level "optional" or "specific" or something?
12:43:27LloreanWell, H100 is valid as "family" too.
12:43:32LinusNcould be
12:44:05markunwith h120 and h100 specific sub dirs?
12:44:16markunmaybe not
12:44:21LinusNfamily could be "h-series"
12:44:33Lloreanhxxx series
12:44:48LloreanWell, I guess h10 is in ARM anyway
12:44:57LinusNplease remind me, what problem are we trying to solve?
12:45:05LloreanI have no clue
12:45:06B4gderh[13][24]0 series ;-)
12:45:10LloreanI just walked in on it.
12:45:17JdGordonportalplayer targets being everywhere in /arm.. I tihnk...
12:45:19JdGordonsomething like that
12:45:28JdGordonbarrywardell's idea :p
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12:48:21LinusNi guess the best structure would be arm/pp/sansa/e200 or something?
12:48:49markunLinusN: yes, that's what we were thinking
12:49:18LinusNwith pp being the "family", i.e cpu family?
12:49:38LinusNor pp == "platform"?
12:50:32JdGordondoes svn move move subdirs? when I use it on a folder it doesnt seem to list the files/subdirs in the folder as added
12:50:59JdGordonLinusN: that could work better...
12:51:17LinusNhow would that translate to the other targets?
12:51:31LinusNm68k/coldfire/iriver/h100 ?
12:52:31B4gderthat makes sense
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12:52:42LloreanI like that better
12:52:46JdGordonplatform would be optional... no need to add an extra level to sh/coldfire imo
12:52:53JdGordonthey arnt problems like arm is
12:53:02LloreanDoes the extra level hurt anything?
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12:53:16B4gderand for gigabeat, it would be arm/samsung/toshiba/gigabeatF ?
12:53:17LinusNJdGordon: but then the directory hierarchy would be confusing
12:53:17JdGordonno, but it makes it more annoying browsing the tree
12:53:32LinusNon the contrary
12:53:45LinusNyou would know exactly what each level means
12:53:57B4gderyeah, consistency is good
12:54:13JdGordonB4gder: no arm/s3c2440/gigabeat/fx
12:54:15markunB4gder: the kenwoods use the same SoC so that's why I moved it into a s3c2440 dir
12:54:59B4gdergigabeat/fx really ?
12:55:26JdGordonor gigabeat-fx
12:55:48JdGordon... which is what it is in svn now.
12:55:48B4gderif "ipod" and "iriver" would be used, I figure it would be "toshiba" for gigabeat
12:56:09LinusNB4gder: and "apple"
12:56:16B4gderyeah, it just struck me
12:56:18markunso arm/s3c2440/toshiba/gigabeat-fx
12:56:26LloreanSo arm/s3c2440/Toshiba/Gigabet-FX?
12:56:30B4gderarm/pp/apple/ipod3g
12:56:33markun:)
12:56:49JdGordonmarkun: well, thats no good if you end up neeing seperate folders for them
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12:57:06LloreanJdGordon: The F and X can be split later, right?
12:57:13B4gderexactly
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12:57:25LinusNin fact, we couldn't care less that the gigabeat is manufactured by toshiba
12:57:42B4gderLinusN: but we don't care about iriver or apple either...
12:58:01LinusN"iriver" couold just as well be "H-series"
12:58:08B4gderhxxx you mean ;-)
12:58:12LinusNblabla
12:58:40B4gderyeah, so arm/s3c2440/gigabeat/fx then
12:58:51B4gderarm/pp/ipod/3g
12:59:18B4gderarch / platform / series / model
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12:59:35LinusNsounds fine
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13:00:00LinusNseries could be something like "iriver-hxxx"
13:00:09B4gderyes sure
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13:36:31Stalwartis it hard to install to install rockbox on ipod using windows? harder than using linux?
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13:36:45LloreanIt's rather easy for both
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13:37:28Stalwarti want to try out 1.3.1 official firmware for
13:37:31Stalwart* my nano
13:37:34Lusei have what may be a stupid quesiton
13:37:39Lusequestion*
13:38:40Luseim having trouble with my gigabeat and rockbox. It keeps saying "Codec Failure" when I try to play mp3's
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13:38:52Luseshould there be a mp3.codec file in the codecs dir?
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13:38:56LinusNLuse: yes
13:39:00LinusNmpa.codec
13:39:01Luseahh
13:39:02B4gdermpa
13:39:05Luseta
13:39:29Lusehmm its in there
13:39:36LinusNmaybe it's old
13:39:41JdGordonmarkun: btw, i was joking before about the lcd drivers...
13:39:42LloreanStalwart: The install process is ridiculously easy these days.
13:39:45LloreanLuse: What player do you have?
13:39:54LinusNLuse: have you updated rockbox lately?
13:40:08JdGordonLinusN: what will the sh folrder look like with the 4th dir?
13:40:35Luseyeah did so today
13:40:51LinusNLuse: then did you really update all of the files in the zip file?
13:41:07Luseoverwrote them with the new zip
13:41:08StalwartLlorean: i didn't seriously use windows for ~2.5 years
13:41:30Stalwartonly for web browsing on friend's pcs
13:41:38LinusNLuse: i suggest you update your bootloader
13:41:43Lusergr
13:41:46LloreanStalwart: The process is fine on either player, it's very easy on Linux as well.
13:42:01LinusNLuse: and remove the rockbox.gigabeat file in the root
13:42:15Lusekk
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13:43:38spiorfthere is somewhere a table with every HAVE_SOMETHING used in ifdefs for all platforms?
13:44:03B4gderspiorf: I don't think so
13:44:33spiorfthen where can i find if my ipod nano has that feature?
13:44:56B4gdercheck the nano config*.h file
13:45:09B4gderfirmware/export/config-ipodnano.h iirc
13:45:34spiorfok thanks
13:46:34JdGordonspiorf: or just ask... it might be faster :p
13:46:44Lusehmm
13:47:09LuseNew bootloader = startup screen then blackness
13:47:10*amiconn wonders why we need subdir under drivers/ ...
13:47:16amiconnsubdirs even
13:47:36spiorfi was trying to read the code, so i can't ask for every ifdef i find
13:48:21JdGordonI just compiled brickmania for the sansa (using the bmps for the nano), but the game is too easy because you have ages for the powerups to fall.. should I halve the screen height and center the screen vertically? or will that look really bad?
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13:50:07amiconnSpeed up the lcd driver...
13:50:17LinusNLuse: interesting...
13:51:32LinusNLuse: i am no gigabeat expert, though, so i'm not sure why it would do that
13:51:47JdGordonamiconn: was that to me?
13:51:54LinusNLuse: can you connect to USB?
13:51:59amiconnJdGordon: yes
13:52:00Luseahh
13:52:02Lusei could
13:52:07Lusetll i tried an old bootloader
13:52:23amiconnLinusN: arch/platform/series/model is one layer too much at least for some targets
13:52:30JdGordonamiconn: no, the problem is the lcd is too high, so the ball goes up and down twice before the powerup falls... speeding up the game would make it way too hard
13:52:55LinusNamiconn: yes, how do you suggest we approach that without confusing the hierarchies?
13:53:05LloreanJdGordon: You could just set the powerups to fall at a faster speed...
13:53:18LloreanJdGordon: Can't you make them move two steps instead of one on Nano, or move more often?
13:53:20amiconnIn fact I don't understand what problem we try to solve here
13:53:38amiconnThe target tree worked fine with the existing 3 layers
13:53:45LloreanBrickmania seems rife with screen-size dependencies. Didn't the ball move different speeds on different screens too?
13:54:08LinusNamiconn: afaik, the problem is that much PP code is spread among the manufacturers
13:54:18LuseLinusN ok im able to connect to it via usb again
13:54:26amiconnThen put it on the arm level...
13:55:10LinusNamiconn: the idea was that the cpu level would be CPU specific stuff, i.e ARM assembly and the likes
13:55:34LinusNand not ADC drivers for portalplayer etc
13:55:41amiconnNothings stops us from separating by cpu sub-type at the cpu layer
13:55:56amiconnI mean without creating a separate folder level
13:56:21Luseannnnd it loads rockbox and blackscreen
13:56:25amiconnLike system-pp.c, system-pnx0101.c etc
13:56:43LloreanLuse: Try turning on Hold, immediately after turning on the player
13:56:54Lusekk
13:56:54LinusNLuse: perhaps you should remove the .rockbox dir and install rockbox from scratch
13:57:02amiconnsystem-target.h would then keep its name, including the more specific .h files with a few simple ifdefs
13:57:13LloreanLinusN: It *might* just be Black on Black.
13:57:24LinusNLlorean: yeah, you are right
13:57:32Lusehow do i sort that out?
13:57:35amiconnLike #ifdef CPU_PP / #include "system-pp.h" #elif ....
13:57:37LloreanLuse: The turn on hold thing
13:58:03LloreanLuse: Turn off the player, turn it on, and while the Toshiba screen is on, turn on hold, and wait for Rockbox to load. Hopefully it should say "Cleared"
13:58:30*pondlife can read at about the same speed Llorean can type
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13:59:21JdGordonLlorean: not easily... forcing the screen size to around the size of the nano seems to work ine in the sim...
13:59:22Lusehmm nah no change
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13:59:44LloreanLuse: Gigabeat X or F?
13:59:52B4gderJdGordon: rotate the gameplay! ;-P
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14:00:28JdGordonB4gder: id love to
14:00:31amiconnpondlife: Wanna try a new patch?
14:00:34LloreanB4gder: If I recall, most of the movements in that game are based on pixels/frame rather than using some sort of speed.
14:00:48LloreanB4gder: Basically making it different on every screen. =/
14:00:58amiconnNow the sim also displays the debug output correctly if you set your console to use a truetype font :)
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14:01:39LloreanLuse: If it's X, I'm guessing by "Blackness" you meant "No Backlight"?
14:01:42pondlifeamiconn: Go for it
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14:02:47LuseX
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14:02:56Lusethats it indeed
14:03:06Luseits an X30
14:03:08*amiconn would also like Bagder or LinusN take a look at this patch
14:03:08LloreanLuse: Ah, we thought by "blackness" you meant the screen was black, not unlit.
14:03:20Lusewell its not lit
14:03:24Luseand nothing is displayed
14:03:25LloreanLuse: There's a current bug that keeps the backlight from working on the X series. The most recent working build is 4-11, I believe
14:03:25amiconnIt uses quite a number of macros...
14:03:55JdGordontisk tisk.. macros are bad!
14:03:57LinusNamiconn: what patch?
14:04:01Luseill give 4-11 a go
14:05:03amiconnamiconn.dnynds.org/win32unicode.diff">http://amiconn.dnynds.org/win32unicode.diff
14:05:34amiconnIt enabled the sim to properly work on windows with non-ascii filenames
14:05:38amiconn*enables
14:06:09B4gderdnynds.org, is that a new service? ;-]
14:06:19LuseLlorean
14:06:27LuseI would like to have your e-babies
14:06:32Luseits working
14:06:35amiconnbah
14:06:36Lusethanks everyone
14:06:39amiconndyndns of course
14:07:24Luseseeyas
14:07:43B4gderamiconn: looks fine enough to me, I'm rather clueless when it comes to unicode
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14:09:19LinusNamiconn: i think it looks OK
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14:12:32pondlifeamiconn: Not working here
14:12:36pondlifei.e. can't download!
14:12:50pondlifeOops, gotcha
14:14:22*pondlife should read more
14:15:23pondlifeamiconn: Seems fine
14:18:10pondlifeSome of the console output isn't as I'd expect still.
14:18:14pondlife"We open the real file 'M:\/Arcade Fire/Funeral/08 Haïti.cue"
14:18:45pondlifeIgnore the stupid M:\... that's my hackery
14:18:51amiconnpondlife: You need to set your console to use a truetype font. I mentioned that.
14:19:03pondlifeAh, I missed that
14:19:15pondlifeI blame work.
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14:20:29pondlifeYep, works great
14:21:50pondlifeamiconn: Is it ready to commit?
14:22:22*JdGordon wants to add a powerup to brickmania to change the pad width... but gets scared every time he looks at the code :p
14:23:45pondlifeHaha, you should try some playback fixes
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14:30:00elinenbe_Quick question... are the button backlights supposed to work on the Toshiba F series?
14:30:39Lloreanelinenbe_: There's a debug menu option
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15:00:21markunJdGordon: ok, I thought you were serious about the lcd driver stuff :)
15:00:54JdGordonna, :), would be nice if the merging happened though... but... :p
15:01:22amiconnMerging all lcd drivers doesn't make sense
15:01:37JdGordonno, but the scroll code, and the bmp drawing...
15:01:45amiconnBut some parts can, and will, be shared across drivers
15:01:56amiconnscroll code: yes, bmp drawing: no
15:02:16amiconnAnd the text output can (possibly) be unified across bitmap lcd drivers
15:08:33yohoi have some basic questions about bookmarking, deleting, is there someone that would be kind enuf to PM me to answer (gigabeat/f)? (the manual doesn't sync to the screens i see)
15:08:57markunyoho: which manual did you try?
15:09:22markunthe pdf or the html?
15:09:31yohomarkun: daily build 'online'
15:09:55markunin what way doesn't it "sync to the screen"?
15:10:43yohoi could never find this screen: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox_interface/images/ss-file-menu-240x320x16.png
15:11:31markunhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-310004.1.2
15:12:29markunAnyway, what are the questions you have?
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15:14:15yohowhile on filelong select (right arrow(?)) doesn't enter FILE MENU for me, just scrolls list horz
15:14:24yohofile,long
15:15:11markunselect is actually the center of the cross :)
15:15:27markunhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-180003.1.1
15:16:59yohogreat, that worked, let me try my bookmarking issues with that in mind.
15:17:31markunok, I don't think you should have much trouble with it now
15:17:36markungood luck
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15:22:46yohobookmarking looking better, one other question, on my ajax wps, the top date/time line shows 'Thu, b dc 9:M:Sc' ??
15:23:13aliaskyoho: There was a recent update to the way that time and date tags work in the WPS
15:23:21aliaskYou'll need to update the WPS.
15:23:31yohoi DL'd yesterday, since then?
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15:23:55aliaskDownloaded what yesterday? The build or the WPS?
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15:24:02pixelmano, but the WPS is older
15:24:03andrewymy iriver h320 works fine with the official firmware. I've tried rockbox by patching the 1.29kr, 1.28eu, and 1.30eu firmware, and all have the same problem. The battery always dies overnight, even though I turn the unit off. When the rockbox firmware is flashed, barely touching the button will turn it on (I have to told the power button for a few seconds with the official firmware), so my guess is that it turns on over night and runs its
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15:26:46markunandrewy: strange, I've never heard about anyone with the same problem
15:26:48yohoso i need to edit the WPS template?
15:27:04aliaskyoho: The WPS must not be in sync with the current state of rockbox. You could make the changes according to this document: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
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15:34:29austriancodermarkun: *g* a laptop is a very fine toy
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15:38:05yohoaliask: re: wps editing, that worked, thanks!
15:38:59markunyoho: nothing left but to sit back, relax and enjoy your music
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15:39:38aliaskyoho: Good on ya
15:41:06yohore: bookmarking, i'm playing a file, and select NEXT, then PREV, any way to enforce bookmarks? (set to ask/ask)
15:42:07markunwhat do you mean by "enforce bookmarks" ?
15:42:29yohoto resume PREV file at point i left off
15:43:07markunit's still not clear to me. Maybe someone else can help.
15:43:35markunyou want to set a bookmark for every file when you skip to another one?
15:43:44aliaskDo you mean "set to ask/don't ask"?
15:43:44yohoyes
15:44:02yohoi set both to ASK
15:44:13markunyoho: I don't think what you ask is possible, but I might be wrong
15:45:30markundo you know how to program?
15:45:39peturaustriancoder: in the process of examining usable USB stacks, might be good to check the (free) one I got from philips for the isp1362 ( http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbOnTheGoSupport ), it should do complete OTG so it can play host or client. I have a modified version at home that compiles for h3x0
15:46:17peturif stack could be separated from driver it would be nice
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15:57:45barrywardellpetur, austriancoder: this is only a device mode USB stack, but it's quite simple and has some nice examples: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lpcusb
15:58:02Topyactually, usbotg is one of the features i miss most in rockbox. the original firmwares usbotg support on the X5 sucks seriously, and i would love being able to use my x5 as image tank during festivals
15:58:16Topyand as backup device aswell, as sd cards die away on me all the time
15:58:24peturTopy: you're not alone ;)
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15:58:32Topy(as in, they never last longer than 3-4 festivals...)
15:59:25B4gdernot to forget: e200tool uploads usb code to the sansa...
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15:59:40austriancoderbarrywardell: thanks.. at the moment i am looking in books and other stacks to define something like a design for the stack.. also i am looking how linux kernel does it
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16:00:06B4gderthe linux one is very big and complicated
16:00:15*petur would really like a stack that does both client and host
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16:00:51austriancoderpetur: me too.. but first part will be client
16:00:54Topyits a shame that the x5's usbotg port is only usb1.1
16:01:06Topythe usb2.0 port is client-only afaik
16:02:04Topyi was thinking about getting one of these "read from one device and write to another" gadgets as a workaround...
16:02:05Topybut thats one more device to be carrying around
16:02:05markunTopy: usbotg is usb2.0 in fact, but at the speed you are used to from usb1.1
16:02:41Topymarkun, oh? on the x5? because its only usb1.1 speed if used as client... on the subpack usb port, access is a LOT faster
16:02:42ThundercloudTopy: Get a belt :D
16:03:01B4gderTopy: don't confuse speeds with usb versions
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16:03:20peturusbotg is an extension on usb2
16:03:25TopyB4gder, i dont, its just that i thought that its usb1.1 because the speed quite exactly matches common usb1.1 speeds
16:04:03B4gdercalling it "1.1 speed" is one of the reasons for the common confusion
16:04:12Topylet me try something
16:08:24Topyyou are right, it DOES actually identify itself as usb2.0 device
16:08:33Topyweird that its slower over that port
16:08:44markunB4gder: but high-speed and full-speed are also confusing to me
16:08:44peturnot weird at all
16:09:04B4gdermarkun: indeed!
16:09:05Topywhy would it be only a fraction of the speed if connected over the host port instead of the subpack-usb-port
16:09:30LloreanTopy: Because USB2.0 doesn't mean you have to support all speeds.
16:09:57Topyi see - i think
16:10:09LloreanThere's "Full Speed" which is, if I recall, the 1.1 speed
16:10:26LloreanAnd then there's the additional "High Speed" which is what people seem to think of as "USB2.0"
16:10:34aliaskTopy: USB2 was a standard that included a bunch of stuff. One of those things was USB-OTG. Another of those was "high speed usb"
16:10:34LloreanBoth are really valid 2.0, iiuc
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16:13:11peturLlorean: usb 1.1 actually has 2 speeds: LOW (1.5Mbit) and FULL (12Mbit)
16:13:11Topymust have been invented by the same guys that invented "web 2.0" :)
16:13:25peturhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_signaling
16:13:29ThundercloudNobody invented web 2.0, it just emerged :(
16:13:33ThundercloudLike a stand alone complex.
16:13:35Topyyes, low is whats used by devices like mice, keyboards, joypads...
16:13:55Lloreanpetur: I was sorta generalizing still. :)
16:14:03petur;)
16:14:14TopyThundercloud, more like cancer. but i was talking about the confusing and redundant "names" for it
16:14:39ThundercloudHaha
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16:17:06elinenbe_what's up with the beep setting? No matter what I set it to, it hardly works properly...
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16:20:05Lloreanelinenbe_: What do you mean?
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16:23:22elinenbe_Llorean: if I enable sound settings->general settings->playback->beep voulme->to anything here....
16:23:31elinenbe_it works randomly
16:24:25LloreanThe volume works randomly?
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16:25:41GodEaterdoes ROLO work on the gigabeat now ?
16:25:46markunno
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16:25:46LloreanNot that I know of
16:26:07GodEaterwhy is it in the manual then ?
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16:27:40elinenbe_Llorean: the beeps happen randomly
16:28:33LloreanGodEater: Because if things should be working, but aren't quite yet, they're often in the manual anyway.
16:29:43LloreanIt'd be really nice if RoLo worked.
16:29:58GodEateryes, but it's been on the feature list for months now
16:30:17GodEaterand it's either not being worked on, or it's much more difficult to do than previously though
16:30:19GodEater+t
16:30:24LloreanSo?
16:30:27GodEaterin which case, IMO, it shouldn't be in the manual
16:30:33LloreanRockbox isn't released, the manual says clearly "Draft"
16:30:53GodEaterfine, fine, but I've already seen posts in the forum from people who assume it does work
16:31:04pondlifeAss-u-me.
16:31:35LloreanA note in the manual saying it doesn't work yet wouldn't be out of place.
16:31:37GodEaterpondlife: assume based on what we always ask our users to do, which is read the manual
16:31:50pondlife:)
16:32:04LloreanGodEater: We also tell them clearly that not everything is working as intended yet.
16:32:08LloreanFor example, Recording on iPod.
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16:32:24pondlifeThe main menu isn't even right in the manual, that's the first screen users see.
16:34:32FebsIf the feature is presently operable, the only reason it would be in the manual is because no-one has corrected the manual to remove it or put a note that it is not yet operational.
16:34:42Febss/is/is not
16:35:02GodEaterLlorean: where does the manual say "draft" ?
16:35:15FebsGodEater: on every page of the PDF.
16:35:23GodEaterah - I'm reading the online version
16:35:42markunBut I wonder if the manual will ever NOT be a draft :)
16:35:44LloreanFebs: The feature doesn't work yet. Attempting to rolo makes the screen flicker, and nothing happens.
16:35:58Lloreanmarkun: It will always be a draft except when a release version of RB comes out, I think.
16:36:25LloreanA non-draft manual would have to be "complete" for the version of Rockbox parallel to it. Basically impossible without a release. :)
16:36:38GodEaterI still think RoLo shouldn't be in there if it doesn't work. Just saying the manual is "draft" isn't hugely helpful to people if they have no way of knowing which bits are accurate or not
16:37:00LloreanFebs: Honestly, the same problem could be solved by Rockbox giving an error of some sort when RoLo isn't working.
16:38:39LloreanGodEater: If it's removed from the manual, people aren't going to assume that it doesn't work. They're going to hear about it, and assume it's undocumented, as we've got a few "undocumented" features still.
16:38:47LloreanGodEater: A note should be put to say it's non-working, if anything.
16:39:10GodEatereither of those seems better than having something there saying it works when it doesn't
16:41:51LloreanI just don't like the idea of removing functions of the core from the manual just because they aren't implemented yet. A note, yes, a removal no.
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16:42:14GodEaterI could have sworn the GB bootloader included a dual boot feature too, and the manual even says it does. It doesn't say how you access this feature though.
16:42:49GodEateralthough the wiki page says the opposite.
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16:43:18kkurbjunGodEater, you can boot back to the original firmware with the current bootloader
16:43:25kkurbjunbut it's only one direction
16:43:42GodEaterkkurbjun: you mean the feature which renames the .ORIG file ?
16:43:52GodEaterI thought there was a proper dual boot function.
16:43:53kkurbjunit just copies the OF FQIMG01.dat back over
16:44:03kkurbjunno, no porper dual boot feature
16:44:08kkurbjunproper that is
16:44:42LloreanGodEater: If you try the actual dual boot function, it tells you that it's not working.
16:44:49LloreanIf I recall
16:45:27GodEaterif I could find where it's documented, I'd do that.
16:45:29GodEaterbut I can't
16:45:48kkurbjunI don't think there is any code for dualboot.. least not that I recall
16:45:53GodEaterah
16:45:56GodEaterhold the A button
16:46:06GodEaterit says "loading original firmware"
16:46:12GodEaterand then proceeds to boot rockbox ;)
16:46:15markunthere have been some experiments to load the OF, but we didn't try very hard
16:46:39GodEaterwell, again, I'd say that's something which should at least be highlighted in the manual then
16:46:41GodEaterif not removed
16:46:56GodEaterthe wiki is clearly correct
16:46:57kkurbjunGodeater, I've also been working on rolo, and I have it working intermittently, it's just not consistent yet
16:47:02markunGodEater: as usual: write a patch :)
16:47:04GodEatercool
16:47:23GodEater<mutter>can't stand TeX</mutter>
16:48:11GodEatertoo tempted to write "Llorean thinks RoLo should stay here even though it doesn't work yet" too at the moment :)
16:48:33LloreanGodEater: Why is removing it better than adding a clear note that it doesn't work yet?
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16:49:28GodEaterLlorean: no no, I agree with you now - your logic is flawless as ever.
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16:49:46GodEaterI'm trying to not be a sore loser
16:49:53LloreanOh, that's fine then
16:50:00LloreanI'm fine with soreness in my direction, as long as I get my way. :-P
16:50:46GodEaterI don't get that section of the manual though (in TeX form). We have a bunch of options there that don't appear to do anything for specific players.
16:51:07GodEateroh no, I see, it's the firmware name
16:56:39austriancoderpetur: how will me manage the soc thing?
16:56:58peturme?
16:58:21austriancoderoh.. typo we
16:58:26peturI guess first make a list of possible stacks to use with pro and con and then pick one.
16:59:21peturbest to make a wiki page for that
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17:00:06FebsDoes the Windows installer for the Archos platforms install version 2.5 only?
17:00:41austriancoderpetur: sounds good...
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17:01:55peturaustriancoder: I have no time this week and am offline this weekend, but next week I'll have a look at putting up a 'plan' ;) soc official start is 28 may iirc
17:03:17austriancoderpetur: *g* take it easy
17:03:47LloreanFebs: I believe so
17:03:54LloreanFebs: It's been superceded by RBUtil, or will be.
17:04:11LloreanOr seded.
17:04:16LloreanWhatever, replaced
17:04:19FebsThat's what I thought. So the section in the manual about using the Windows installer should be removed.
17:04:26LloreanAye
17:07:21*Febs realizes that the entire installation chapter basically needs to be rewritten.
17:08:54Llorean=/
17:09:50FebsUltimately, that's a good thing because the way it is structured now (from a TeX perspective) is fairly convoluted.
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17:53:20H10_007quickbarrywardell: I've been meaning to ask, is there any functional change for us H10 users, now that we have a rockbox.mi4 rather than rockbox.h10 ?
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17:53:57H10_007quicklol
17:54:08H10_007quicktry again latter
17:55:07LloreanH10_007quick: Shouldn't be.
17:55:53H10_007quickone more Question, does it default to loading the .mi4 file rather than the .h10 file or do we all need to delete our .h10 files?
17:56:24LloreanIf you've got a new enough bootloader it should default to the mi4
17:56:28LloreanBut you should delete the .h10 anyway
17:56:35H10_007quicksounds good
17:56:38H10_007quickthanks
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18:01:09dionoealinuxstb, jhMikeS : how many bytes would you consider to be a maximum for the overlay buffer system? I'm currently using 1 screen sized buffer ... but that's suboptimal. Best solution would be to have 1 buffer for each active overlay item (with a malloc mechanism).
18:01:25dionoeaBut i'm kind of unsure about the max amount that i can take from the file read buffer
18:01:41dionoea(or if i can allocate data from the mpeg2dec buffer system)
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18:02:44amiconnurgh, malloc
18:03:25dionoeaoverlay pictures can have variable sizes
18:03:34dionoeaso either we have a bunch of full screen sized buffers to use ... or we try to optimise memory usage a bit
18:04:13dionoeaeach pic needs 1.5*screensize bytes if we want fullscreen buffers
18:04:28LloreanWhy do you need to allow more than one active overlay item?
18:05:00dionoealike you can have subs, scrollbar, other OSD info
18:05:02markundionoea: the original plan me and jhMikeS had was to just use the framebuffer with an extra 1 byte per pixel mask
18:05:22Lloreandionoea: But you aren't obligated to allow all those at once.
18:05:39Lloreanmarkun: Subs almost require two colors to be readable.
18:06:02markunLlorean: so? the framebuffer is RGB565...
18:06:06markunshould be enough colours
18:06:08dionoeaLlorean: that's what i was doing before ... but they told me to implement a whole overlay framework
18:06:08Lloreanmarkun: Sorry, I read "1 bit per pixel"
18:06:15dionoeamarkun: you render in y (it's easier)
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18:06:43markundionoea: easier, but not so flexible
18:07:29dionoeawhy? If you're rendering the full video yuv buffer to the screen and you don't have to render another time for the overlay it's more efficient
18:07:30markunsee you guys later
18:08:04markundionoea: you can do the combining in the yuv2rgb code
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19:44:49Tarasgreetings
19:45:36Tarasgot a little problem with rockbox and sansa. the rockbox-folder must be ".rockbox" but i'm not able to create a folder beginning with a "." (sorry for bad englisch)
19:45:39Taras*english
19:45:46LloreanYou don't create it.
19:45:48LloreanIt comes in the zip
19:46:23Tarasoh boy, forget it, i'm to dumb *lol* ya, found my mistake
19:46:39Tarasthank you
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19:47:33Tarasoh
19:47:42Tarasa clean and simple interface *g*
19:48:27Tarasand first crash
19:49:22Tarasum, what do to now
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19:50:36Tarasah
19:50:39Tarasnow it works
19:50:47Taraslove you guys for doin this
19:51:43Tarasmhj but not stable
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19:56:56LloreanIt's in a very early state on the Sansa, over all.
19:57:10Tarasyeha but looks good
19:57:20Tarashm but my pc can't find the sansa yet
19:57:39LloreanYou have to reboot into the original firmware
19:58:03LloreanRockbox doesn't have USB support on Sansa yet, the icon just means we've detected that it's plugged in.
19:58:43Tarasah
19:58:46Tarasgood to know
19:59:10Tarasbut hm one litte question :D
19:59:17Tarashow do play music? can't find the option
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20:00:51LloreanI suggest you look into the manual
20:00:56LloreanYou just click on songs.
20:01:13Tarasmh, there are NO songs
20:01:23Tarasbut i didn't delete the songs
20:01:35LloreanWell, the normal MUSIC folder the sansa uses is hidden
20:01:50LloreanSo set the file view to show all instead of just supported.
20:02:02LloreanOr have the database search them out and index them if you want to use the database features
20:02:44Tarasoh
20:03:02Tarasoh sorry everytime i clicked on database i clicked twice without reading so he aborted
20:06:37Tarasoh erm, one litte question?
20:06:48LloreanYes?
20:07:04Tarashow can i play all songs?
20:07:52LloreanAssuming all your songs are say, in the MUSIC folder, just insert that folder into a playlist
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20:20:33Tarasya, thank your for your helo
20:20:35Taras*tahnk yoz
20:20:36Tarasyou
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20:47:44webguest96inned help installing rockbox.i'm in my toshiba gigabeat , drive I , looking at the files and I can't find the root file. i enabled "show hidden files " but I still can't see it
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20:53:02toffe82did you begin the install ? or just starting and try to find the fwimg01.dat ?
20:55:17LloreanHe's gone.
20:55:26LloreanOnly stuck around 2 minutes.
20:58:44*amiconn just calculated that 1 giga-beat will be around 21 years with typical music ;)
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21:02:04LloreanHahaha
21:02:44LloreanWhat did you pick as a typical BPM then?
21:03:13amiconn90
21:03:46preglowLlorean: faad can already do sbr and ps, afaik
21:03:58Lloreanpreglow: I thought faad wasn't GPL compatible
21:04:02LloreanOr was that faac?
21:04:05*Llorean gets those confused.
21:04:12preglowwell, faad is in our tree...
21:04:24preglowi don't think it's gpl compatible any more
21:04:26preglowbut our version is
21:04:28Lloreanfaad/faac/whatever went through a license change.
21:04:34LloreanYeah, I think the HE support is post-that though.
21:04:41preglowdon't think so
21:04:59preglowtons of sbr files in our tree
21:05:02LloreanAh, well then I wrote that response on a wrong assumption. I knew about the HE, but remembered reading it came after the license change.
21:05:05preglowalso several ps files
21:05:36preglowanywho, it needs _tons_ of optimising before it can be used
21:05:42preglowthat's for sure
21:05:56elinenbe_amiconn: amiconn just calculated that 1 giga-beat will be around 21 years with typical music ;) ?? what does that mean?
21:06:23LloreanI read that HE-AAC is expected to require ~67mhz ARM processor. I can't remember which ARM type they mentioned though
21:06:39Lloreanelinenbe_: Using standard prefixes, 1,000,000,000 beats.
21:07:06elinenbe_ah... okay.
21:07:09preglowLlorean: my estimation is that assumes pretty kickass optimised code
21:08:19Lloreanpreglow: I think it was also a faster/more modern ARM than our iPods are.
21:10:38Lloreanamiconn: If my math is right, the Gigabeat is then really only holding about 3.5 megabeats.
21:10:45LloreanThe F40 model, at least
21:10:54hcshow disappointing
21:11:04LloreanI call marketing hijinks!
21:11:14amiconnDepends on the format...
21:11:31LloreanThis was assuming approximately 1 megabyte per minute of audio.
21:11:40amiconnah
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21:12:08linuxstb_Llorean: What about your SID collection?
21:12:23LloreanAh, well with SID I think I can safely assume it reaches many many gigabeats.
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21:27:02amiconnlinuxstb: Regarding your remark concerning sscanf yesterday - it might be useful to put this in the core, depending on whether it could be used in places where we currently parse data "by hand"
21:27:43amiconnI tried compiling it for sh1; the .o file contained 884 bytes of code, which can be reduced to 810 bytes when put in the core
21:28:37amiconn(by using the core ctype mechanism instead of the manual range checking)
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21:31:16linuxstb_Sounds good.
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21:35:02dionoealinuxstb_: is mpegplayer supposed to work in the sim?
21:35:19LloreanI think it's broken right now
21:35:29LloreanThere's I think a bug report on it.
21:36:13dionoeaah ok, i wanted to debug my changes runing gdb but couldn't get it to launch in the sim
21:36:30dionoeasegfaults due to a NULL pointer dereferencing in the main loop
21:37:17*linuxstb looks towards jhMikeS
21:38:17Lloreanlinuxstb: He said in a comment on the tracker it should be fixed by the time he's done with something.
21:38:33dionoeaI could try a clean build and see if it still segfaults ... but i'm lazy :)
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21:38:43Lloreandionoea: No, that's the problem that was discussed.
21:38:49dionoeaok
21:40:05*jhMikeS should close that one
21:40:50dionoeaI was worried that i'd corrupted the memory somehow
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21:45:14toffe82Llorean: about HE-AAC for arm https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/2005/aacfixptdec , you ave the average cpu usage
21:47:34Lloreantoffe82: That looks similar or maybe the same as what I saw.
21:48:49Nico_Pamiconn: the WPS parser could probably use sscanf
21:54:07Nico_Pamiconn: I did even consider writing something similar or adding it to the core
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21:56:39preglowargh, if only that decoder could be used ://
21:56:47dionoeajhMikeS: congrats on the new frameskipping algo. It's much better than before
21:57:10mirakhellow
21:57:29linuxstb_preglow: I'm sure ffmpeg will get there eventually....
21:57:43preglowlinuxstb_: well, let's hope so
21:57:48amiconnNico_P: Do you think our limited sscanf is enough?
21:58:05*amiconn just had a look at a full fledged implementation
21:58:20Taraswuarg harddisk seems to be broken
21:58:37amiconnIt's huge, and still needs external functions
21:58:38Nico_Pamiconn: what can it do ?
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22:03:26Tarasmh just for summing up: i'm not able to connect to my sansa to my computer with rockbox, e.g. for adding songs?
22:03:32Taras*- connect + link
22:04:34BagderTaras: boot the OF for that
22:05:08TarasOF?
22:05:14Bagderoriginal firmware
22:05:16Tarasah
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22:05:44Tarasmh am i allowed to ask how to do this?
22:06:01Bagderit is mentioned in the manual...
22:06:18Bagderpressing left when starting, iirc
22:06:52Tarasoh
22:07:19preglowthe new frame skipping code is nice indeed
22:07:37LloreanTaras: An even easier method is to turn off the player, then plug in the USB cable.
22:07:51Tarasi'm so sorry for my bad english and my questions >.< a bit embarissing for me, thanks for all the help
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22:11:10jhMikeSdionoea: thanks, it does do a much smoother job of it :)
22:11:33dionoeaexcept during the first 30s of playback :)
22:11:37dionoeabut that's normal i guess
22:11:41jhMikeS30s?
22:11:47dionoeawell the begining
22:11:51jhMikeSin the sim?
22:11:53preglowseems nice all the time here
22:12:00LloreanThe initial buffering is kinda rocky
22:12:02dionoeait's kind of skippy using ED 16:9 on the ipod video
22:12:05LloreanOn some players, at least.
22:12:10dionoeayeah, like Llorean says
22:12:15dionoeabut after a while i gets better
22:12:19dionoeaway better
22:12:21jhMikeSbuffering will make it skip more
22:12:29dionoea(and you win like 2 or 3 fps on the ipod 5g)
22:13:22jhMikeSI do have some videos that underrun the buffer...including the big elephants dream near the end. Just doubling the low watermark as a test fixes it.
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22:14:06LloreanOn what player?
22:14:10jhMikeSgigabeat
22:16:51LloreanLast 320x240 video I checked with didn't drop a single frame, but it was only 600kbps.
22:16:53jhMikeSit usually gets the audio stream first since it has to skip over more packets
22:18:37jhMikeSI'll double super verify this though
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22:32:01amiconnbah
22:32:15*amiconn forgot to mention the fixed fs# in the commit msg
22:32:26dionoeawell you can fix it
22:32:36dionoea(if it's enabled in the server's pre commit hooks)
22:32:59amiconnIt still isn't afaik
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22:34:05AceNikhey i have a problem any playlist made in rockbox or windows with UTF-8 encodin causes the Dr.Watson debugger to get active even if a click is made ont he file , & options are debug or close explorer
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22:47:38dionoeahum, what unit does rb->filesize( ) return the size in ?
22:48:10dionoeasizeof(int) ?
22:48:14hcsdegrees of bigness?
22:48:28dionoea?!?
22:50:01LloreanUnits of non-zeroness.
22:50:37jhMikeShrm...turning off disk spindown stops the glitch cause I think there aren't enough unit of bigness left
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22:57:48jhMikeS...and not sleeping the buffer after a file queue wrap seems to fix it...not a size problem but a problem where the stream needs wrapped data but it's not there.
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23:19:06NET||abusehmm, this isn't promisiing http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
23:20:34dionoeadid you look at the manual ?
23:20:46dionoea(sorry if the question sounds obvious)
23:20:52NET||abusereading it now.. just there's no link to the manual or even the linux sections on that page
23:21:13dionoeaIt's the 4th link in the left hand menu on the website
23:21:14NET||abusewould be nice to have a link :)
23:21:45NET||abusewell this is hypertext, markup the content of that page ;)
23:21:55NET||abusejust being very particular
23:22:09NET||abusenever mind me... i'm dying to get into this
23:22:24NET||abusewant my ol' ipod mini to run on this for fun
23:23:04dionoealinuxstb, jhMikeS : would anyone of you be available to review a subs + overlay in mpegplayer patch?
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23:24:36jhMikeSdionoea: sure, gimme a minute
23:24:41dionoeadionoea/mpegplayer.subtitles-and-overlay.patch">http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/mpegplayer.subtitles-and-overlay.patch
23:25:29dionoeaIt's currently blending in the video buffer, but that could easily be changed to blending in the yuvrenderwhateveritscalled function (by someone who knows a decent amount of assembler)
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23:26:09dionoealinuxstb: btw, i fixed the subs code so the number of chars in the timestamp numbers doesn't matter anymore
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23:29:44jhMikeSreally, I see no need for even a single extra buffer to do this
23:30:18dionoeawell people wanted to have a mask buffer to prevent rendering the text at every frame displayed
23:30:23dionoea(which doesn't sound stupid)
23:30:29jhMikeSwith a selectable chroma key and using the lcd_framebuffer and an extension to lcd_yuv_blit
23:30:36jhMikeSit wouldn't
23:30:53jhMikeSyou'd only draw the changes in lcd_framebuffer
23:31:41jhMikeSthe yuv function would just be chroma keyed to show the video or what's behind it
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23:32:09webguest52hi! greets to all
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23:32:42dionoeaThat doesn't make it possible to have more than 1 color in the overlay (or stuff like alpha blending). Altough i have to agree that it should be faster
23:32:48jhMikeSand as a perk, the overlay could arbitrarilty intersect the video rectange and outside it
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23:33:00jhMikeSit would be full color
23:34:05dionoeawell you wouldn't be able to have multiple colors at the same time with a chroma key (unless i missunderstood what you meant)
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23:34:23peturjhMikeS: re your h1x0 spdif recording fix, do I understand correctly that there wasn't a bug?
23:34:28jhMikeSTrue, no alpha...but that only needs one extra buffer
23:34:53LloreanAlpha blending seems like overkill.
23:35:05jhMikeSpetur: Just me being the most absent minded person around here as usual...helped along by the pseudoephedrine :P
23:35:25dionoeajhMikeS: the alpha mask would need screensize bytes right ?
23:35:25jhMikeSLlorean: I agree on that for the overlay
23:35:35jhMikeSno
23:35:39LloreanjhMikeS: Well that's the context I meant it in. :)
23:36:12jhMikeSvid_w*vid_h bytes
23:36:17LloreanI'll be happy as long as the overlay meets the minimum of two colors.
23:36:32*amiconn wonders how all this hyper-special overlay stuff would work on greyscale
23:36:39jhMikeSIt would meet 16 bit colors by what I've got in mind
23:36:59jhMikeSAnd take almost no additional CPU
23:38:09Lloreanamiconn: I think if you're trying to use mpegplayer on greyscale, you've got more problems than simply missing subtitles. ;)
23:38:19amiconn??
23:38:40LloreanWell isn't the framerate pretty much unwatchable?
23:39:23amiconnIt is on all my targets anyway
23:39:40amiconn(except that I couldn't test mini g2 yet - linuxstb?)
23:39:55LloreanBut other than the poor performance, why couldn't a version of the overlay be adapted to greyscale targets?
23:40:51amiconnIn fact I still don't see the need for a true overlay. A simple display that appears when seeking or changing volume would be enough imo
23:41:09jhMikeSdionoea: what I'm thinking about requires a chroma key mode to be added to lcd_yuv_blit when it writes from lcd_framebuffer is the key doesn't match
23:41:21jhMikeSs/is/if
23:41:23amiconnBut then I'm not really a video user anyway. My only interest in this is to show that it's possible
23:41:55NET||abusehmm, can't get my ipod to go into disk mode.. i try the reset and select+play immediately after, no joy,, however i'm wondering.. is there an issue with my battery... how can i health check the battery of th ipod?
23:42:02NET||abusethis is an ipod mini from bout 3 years back
23:42:14LloreanNET||abuse: Have you ever replaced the battery?
23:42:21jhMikeSand it can work with both the port type lcds and the dma type
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23:42:39amiconn(and atm it's barely possible, but not really usable, unlike rvf, due to the poor framerates)
23:42:41NET||abusenope, never replaced battery...
23:43:05LloreanNET||abuse: Then unless you live in a ridiculously cold environment, your battery should not be healthy.
23:44:16NET||abusewait think i gottit.. had to do it a few times :) though yeh, i do still think my battery is foo'd
23:44:18*jhMikeS thinks framerates can improve substantally throughout
23:44:35NET||abusegot into the playlist when i was disconnected there for a second
23:44:35*amiconn wonders whether mirak will fix his patch to only contain relevant stuff one day
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23:45:37jhMikeSif mirak doesn't get to it, I will
23:45:59amiconnA while ago I tried to find the relevant parts, but failed
23:46:12amiconnDidn't try again since
23:46:59jhMikeSI've never really looked but I plan on doing a good lookover and get rid of irrelevant parts of libmpeg2. the CPU detection is gone which flattened it out a bit.
23:47:05NET||abusegot disk mode ;) yay
23:47:31NET||abusehmm, not automounting.. edgy should just od it no?
23:47:39NET||abuses/od/do/
23:48:16jhMikeSright now rebuffering isn't sophisticated enough though. the audio skips so much stuff that it drops really low while the disk spins up.
23:48:27NET||abusehmm, says "do no disconnect" and it's charging... but not mounting up yet.
23:49:07jhMikeSand under no conditions should a simple buffer underrun cause a stream to die
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23:49:56NET||abusehmm,,, i have 4 sata ports on my mobo,, what should the usb port my ipod is on be shown as?
23:50:14NET||abusels /dev | grep sd shows sda1/2/5/6
23:51:53pixelmaLlorean: I wouldn't say it's unwatchable - not enjoyable, surely a bit skippy but a lot smoother than I last tried... that is with the ED 160-widescreen version off the download area on my M5
23:52:07jhMikeSreally, the best way to handling things is have to stream buffers and demux during disk reads
23:52:49linuxstb_I thought about that, but how do you split the buffer?
23:52:54pixelmais there any way to find out the fps?
23:53:16linuxstb_pixelma: No, that's broken on greyscale at the moment.
23:53:18Lloreanpixelma: Hit the menu button, disable frameskip and limit framerate, and enable the FPS display
23:53:23LloreanOh, not on grayscale. =/
23:54:56linuxstb_amiconn: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/144x112.zip
23:55:38jhMikeSlinuxstb_: what do you mean?
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23:55:56Saureushey mates, I have a quick question
23:56:03linuxstb_jhMikeS: IIUC, you're suggesting separate buffers for compressed audio and video?
23:56:12mirakamiconn: what is not relevant in it ?
23:56:17jhMikeSlinuxstb:_ yes
23:56:57amiconn_mirak: If I knew exactly, I would fix it. But it looks like the same functions are defined in multiple ways
23:57:02jhMikeSit would keep the streams from colliding too
23:57:02linuxstb_So how do you split the main buffer into two? You don't know the relative average bitrates.
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23:57:43Saureuswell, if anyone can tell me whether or not rockbox will help my abhorrent battery life, it would be much appreciated
23:58:06mirakamiconn_: those not used are not active with ifdef
23:58:40jhMikeSI was thinking about that...I suppose for the audio it would be similar to how it would be done for any mpeg audio
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23:58:53jhMikeSif we know that, what's left is everything else
23:58:59dionoeaouh...looks even better with shading arround the text.

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