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00:15:48 | dionoea | linuxstb, jhMikeS: where are the mpeg2_fbuf allocated ? |
00:25:38 | linuxstb | dionoea: Somewhere inside libmpeg2... |
00:26:08 | linuxstb | BTW, I've just tried your patch on my gigabeat - it flashed some subtitles up very quickly near the start of the video, and then my gigabeat froze completely... |
00:26:17 | dionoea | seriously? |
00:26:31 | dionoea | using the ed subs? |
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00:26:54 | linuxstb | No, using my own video and srt file. |
00:27:04 | k0rnz | anyone run rockbox on 5th Generation 30Gb Video Ipod? |
00:27:53 | dionoea | ah ... i only tried with the ed subs. Can you upload your srt file somewhere so i can see what's wrong ? |
00:29:04 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/problem.srt - it may well be my srt file... |
00:30:04 | dionoea | Hum, looks ok to me up to item n°4 (I didn't do −−> "no date" handling) |
00:30:27 | dionoea | each item has to have a start & end date on the date line |
00:30:53 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm just testing in mplayer, and mplayer ignores subtitles with no end time. |
00:31:16 | linuxstb | Any idea if end time is required in srt files? |
00:31:39 | dionoea | according to the comment in the VLC source code it is |
00:31:52 | dionoea | but since there are like 10 000 subs format ... i'm sure that some people say that it isn't |
00:32:33 | linuxstb | But in any case, a hard crash isn't good... |
00:32:49 | dionoea | it's call SubRIP http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=SubRip |
00:33:48 | dionoea | linuxstb: agreed (as stated earlier, i didn't do error handling yet ... one of the reasons being that i didn't want to code strtol ... but i'll do it) |
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00:34:18 | dionoea | s/call/called/ |
00:34:35 | linuxstb | Well, if mplayer is failing to display my srt file, then I'm happy to accept it's bad... |
00:35:05 | dionoea | you can fix it using a simple awk script i guess |
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00:36:01 | linuxstb | Although if a sub should be displayed until the next one appears, what do I put for the end time? |
00:36:12 | dionoea | the next time |
00:36:25 | linuxstb | But isn't that saying "display both subtitles at this time"? |
00:36:42 | dionoea | well substract 1ms then :) |
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00:59:31 | linuxstb | dionoea: I fixed the timestamps, but it's still crashing in the same place and not displaying the early subtitles correctly - it just seems to scan through all the subtitles really fast... |
00:59:38 | webguest60666 | when is The Rockbox Utility going to be finished? |
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01:00:07 | linuxstb | Nothing in Rockbox has a timescale attached to it - people work on it in their free time. |
01:00:08 | dionoea | linuxstb: ah, it's using 1 digit only for the hour (i hardcoded that to 2 digits for hour, minute and sec) |
01:00:23 | dionoea | since atoi can't tell me how many it read |
01:00:28 | dionoea | which is why i need strtol |
01:01:16 | dionoea | the "specs" seem to require these 2 digits (although adding support for 1 only should be easy) |
01:01:49 | dionoea | linuxstb: it's the += 2+1; in the code (2 for the digits, 1 for the seperator) |
01:02:16 | linuxstb | I think Rockbox has a sscanf, although it's not built by default but Doom uses it via a hack... |
01:02:34 | dionoea | ah ... that'd be awesome :) |
01:02:39 | dionoea | I was looking for one |
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01:02:52 | linuxstb | Look at how Doom uses it - it's not pretty... |
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01:04:03 | dionoea | else i can do something like: int foo( char *str, char **end ){ int r = 0; while( *str >= '0' && *str <= '9' ){ r*=10;r+=*str-'0'; } *end = str; } |
01:04:07 | dionoea | this should work |
01:04:35 | dionoea | and then use h = foo( cur, &cur ); cur++; (instead of the current atoi lines) |
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01:05:40 | dionoea | + *str++; at the end of the loop |
01:05:44 | linuxstb | Now we have svn, we could just move sscanf into the plugin lib if it would help. It would at least remove the hack from doom |
01:07:12 | Ranbee | hi, i want to update my rockbox for the first time, i have the 60GIG ipod video. do i just download the latest daily build and drop/replace all the files, and that's it? |
01:07:21 | dionoea | yup |
01:07:35 | Ranbee | thanks, dionoea :0 |
01:07:41 | linuxstb | Although it depends when you first installed Rockbox. You may need to update your bootloader. |
01:07:45 | Ranbee | *:) i always do that lol |
01:07:56 | dionoea | isn't this the first time ? :) |
01:08:05 | Ranbee | linuxstb: about 3 weeks ago |
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01:08:27 | linuxstb | Ranbee: Then no problem - the last bootloader was released a few months ago. |
01:08:42 | Ranbee | great, thanks for the help linuxstb |
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01:10:49 | dionoea | linuxstb: i fixed the atoi thing here (hopefuly) |
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01:12:24 | Ranbee | can i keep my backdrops and themes directories to keep my themes, or is there a config file that goes with them? |
01:12:42 | TrueJournals | You can keep all your old files... just replace any new ones |
01:12:56 | TrueJournals | Did that make sense? |
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01:12:59 | Ranbee | ok, thanks TrueJournals |
01:13:06 | TrueJournals | No problem |
01:15:21 | dionoea | linuxstb: any idea where we first know about the video'z size (sequence->width/height) in mpegplayer.c ? Somewhere in the while(1) loop ? |
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01:18:34 | linuxstb | dionoea: It's where vo_setup() is called. |
01:19:06 | dionoea | thanks |
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01:34:11 | endor43 | Hi im very new to this forum so please feel free to correct me or anything.. |
01:34:31 | endor43 | i have a question |
01:34:50 | endor43 | i was browsing rockbox's website 's patches section and came across this patch for the 80 gig 5.5G ipod what does it do? |
01:35:07 | endor43 | will it possibly let me use rockbox on my 80 GB 5.5G and if so how do i use it? |
01:35:26 | endor43 | is it possible in any way to permanently damage your Ipod 80GB 5.5G by installing rockbox on it or using rockbox on it ? |
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01:36:14 | TrueJournals | Was just going to answer his question... |
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01:43:09 | Soap2 | TrueJournals: he asked the same in the forums - answer him there if you so desire ;) |
01:43:22 | TrueJournals | I was just going to look there :-p |
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02:00:33 | joyrex | Do the rockbox files need to be dropped directly to the root of my gigabeat or do I just copy the .rockbox folder there ? |
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02:15:12 | sslashes | amiconn: around? |
02:15:25 | scorche | lostlogic: thanks for fixing the ifdef btw...i was going to get around to it, but i got quite busy this week |
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02:42:29 | Lam_ | yeah.. definitely need to get into disk mode somehow |
02:48:07 | sslashes | does anyone else here have a good understanding of amiconn's viewports idea? |
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03:58:06 | Soaa- | Hi everyone, I just tried hacking the flash of my gigabeat and I think something went really wrong. |
03:58:22 | Soaa- | I described my problem in the thread about the hacks. |
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04:00:04 | Soaa- | Shoot, some moderator just deleted my posts. I don't know why. |
04:00:26 | Soaa- | Oh oops, it was split. |
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04:09:42 | JdGordon|uni | hey all |
04:10:55 | Soaa- | Hi there. |
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04:26:01 | Soap2 | Also, Soaa- be careful of your usage of the word "brick" it has a specific, and emotionally charged, meaning. |
04:26:22 | Soaa- | My gigabeat was "bricked". |
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04:30:35 | Llorea1 | Soaa-: Even if it was, apparently your bricking has nothing to do with Rockbox. |
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06:28:06 | Llorean | Br3nda: Do you actually mean the daily build, or do you mean a current build downloaded at a specific time today? As well, what player do you have, and what circumstances cause crashes? |
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07:08:28 | EbErT | can an able-minded person tell me what the "tagnavi.config" file does? |
07:09:01 | EbErT | wanting to know if i have to replace it w/ a new one, or if its the pref file for my id3's, which i dont wanna index again |
07:12:55 | JdGordon | it controls how you use the database... |
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07:46:15 | ptw419 | nm |
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08:07:13 | JdGordon | in make? |
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08:12:02 | JdGordon | amiconn: moving files around in the /target folder shouldnt stop it from being built right? |
08:12:39 | JdGordon | it doesnt get built when I try a h10 build, but it does for sansa |
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08:25:15 | c0mpub0mb | what is the newest stable build for the ipod video 5g ? |
08:25:48 | c0mpub0mb | i tried downloading the newest builds for my ipod video g5 and i couldn't play a single file without rockbox locking up on me :/ |
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08:26:41 | t3 | can someone help, im trying to download a source from a SVN... |
08:27:33 | t3 | helo? |
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08:28:39 | B4gder | good morning! |
08:29:23 | JdGordon | morning |
08:29:45 | JdGordon | who stole B4gder?? since when do we get morning instead of mooning? |
08:30:06 | JdGordon | and why the heck is the h10 refusing to make sysfont.h :'( |
08:31:25 | c0mpub0mb | my g5 keeps locking up with the newst build :/ everything upto http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20070415.zip, the only one i know of which works perfectly without a hitch is rockbox-ipodvideo-20061018 |
08:34:38 | GodEater | c0mpub0mb: update your bootloader |
08:35:14 | * | B4gder puts a "moo"-sticker on JdGordon to prove his true self |
08:35:29 | JdGordon | awesome :D |
08:35:48 | B4gder | now don't eat it all at once :-) |
08:35:48 | c0mpub0mb | GodEater: bootloader ?.. uhm.. the new OS boots, just when i go into file, and play a mp3, it just hangs, it loads the file etc, it just doesn't play anything, it just hangs there. |
08:36:14 | JdGordon | B4gder: oh, do you know why the code to allow the backlight hold setting on the sansa has been #if 0'd out since intial commit? the code works fine |
08:36:30 | B4gder | JdGordon: I don't know |
08:36:48 | B4gder | I just talk, I don't actually know anything |
08:36:56 | JdGordon | ok |
08:37:05 | JdGordon | hopefully dan_a pops in later |
08:37:15 | B4gder | yeah, he's been gone a while |
08:37:48 | c0mpub0mb | GodEater: so your saying i need a new bootloader for the ipod ?... |
08:37:49 | GodEater | c0mpub0mb: that's because you're using an old bootloader which isn't compatible with the latest version of rockboxc |
08:37:56 | c0mpub0mb | i mean, it boots the new rockbox os. |
08:38:03 | GodEater | c0mpub0mb: yes - but not properly |
08:38:09 | c0mpub0mb | GodEater: ugh! i don't even remember how to do everything. |
08:38:19 | GodEater | c0mpub0mb: that's what we have the manual for |
08:38:21 | c0mpub0mb | i set this stuff up a long time ago. |
08:38:31 | GodEater | c0mpub0mb: go back to the section which mentions ipodpatcher |
08:38:35 | GodEater | and follow it through |
08:38:38 | GodEater | and you're good to go |
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08:38:53 | JdGordon | the tatung tpj1022 is a pp target yeah? |
08:39:02 | c0mpub0mb | GodEater: where is that ? |
08:39:31 | B4gder | JdGordon: yes |
08:39:51 | GodEater | c0mpub0mb: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.3 |
08:40:08 | GodEater | c0mpub0mb: make sure you've downloaded the latest version of ipodpatcher too |
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08:44:00 | amiconn | JdGordon: 'mooning' was me, sometimes. And I don't know why your h10 build doesn't make sysfont.h 'cause I don't know what you changed. Builds fine in svn. |
08:44:11 | amiconn | Or rather, mo0ning ;) |
08:44:34 | JdGordon | oh? woopsies :p |
08:44:43 | c0mpub0mb | do you still need the file rockbox.ipod ? in your root dir ? |
08:45:00 | c0mpub0mb | since the new versions of rockbox don't have that file in their zip files |
08:45:11 | JdGordon | Ive rearragned files in /target and fixed up SOURCES and configure accordingly, h10 doesnt work, but e200 and tatung both work |
08:45:20 | B4gder | c0mpub0mb: they do, it just moved |
08:45:44 | JdGordon | hmm.. no, tatung doesnt work either |
08:46:06 | * | amiconn isn't sure whether the tatung ever built |
08:46:25 | JdGordon | I mean sysfont doesnt build for it |
08:46:30 | JdGordon | bloody odd :p |
08:47:05 | amiconn | One of those prepared-but-almost-done-nothing targets by linuxstb |
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08:49:29 | B4gder | the bootloader built at least |
08:49:37 | David_ | Can't see hidden folders in toshiba gigabeat F series root folder in windows vista - any suggestions? (folder options have show hidden on) |
08:49:43 | B4gder | it has served for other mi4-targets to test-run |
08:50:03 | c0mpub0mb | it worked, but i still think the treble doesn't truely work on the ipod 5g |
08:50:04 | c0mpub0mb | :/ |
08:50:35 | davina | David_: get yourself a decent operating system like linux ;) |
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08:52:12 | DavidL | doesn't help - closest linux computer is hours away this time of the night and don't feel like burning some cds -_- is there any1 experienced w/ gigabeat rockbox installation on windows? |
08:53:16 | davina | i cant look coz i dont have windows but isnt there another check box like 'show system files' as well as 'hidden files'? |
08:54:00 | amiconn | On winxp there is. Don't know about vista |
08:54:30 | davina | yeah the little i have used vista it seemed a bit counter intuitive |
08:54:47 | davina | almost like they didnt want you to fiddl with the settings |
08:54:50 | DavidL | i unchecked the hide protected os files, still nothing -_- |
08:54:55 | GodEater | DavidL: you also need to enable "View system folders" |
08:56:11 | davina | if you get a dos windows up (by selecting 'run' then typing 'cmd') iirc does dir/h list hidden files. |
08:57:38 | DavidL | ahh i see. need to unhide both os files and hidden files and not use the dock. thanks :) |
08:57:48 | DavidL | that should be in the guide .. |
08:58:16 | davina | i guess thats down to who has Vista right now, maybe you could make the changes yourself in the wiki |
08:58:26 | DavidL | yea i'll probably do that |
08:59:28 | c0mpub0mb | does the ipod 5g support treble at all ? |
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09:00:17 | amiconn | davina: It's dir /ah |
09:00:18 | davina | there is an equaliser somewhere. i;venot used it. i think there is also a setting to use hardware equaliser. have a look in the settings |
09:01:42 | davina | thx amiconn :) i was going to start up my virtual dos environment and check it out, but i need to get ready for work :( |
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09:05:28 | * | dan_a waves at JdGordon |
09:06:00 | B4gder | is that a dan_a crawling in here? ;-) |
09:06:25 | dan_a | It is :) |
09:06:40 | B4gder | good to see you back! |
09:08:40 | dan_a | Thank you. I'm probably not going to be doing too much on Rockbox in the next few days, but I will be getting back into it |
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09:11:10 | dan_a | And unfortunately I'm don't think I'm going to be able to make DevCon :( |
09:11:43 | B4gder | that's a pity |
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09:16:03 | * | petur slaps firefox *hard* |
09:16:34 | scorche | you seem to do that often |
09:17:10 | petur | since the last two updates it crashes way too much for me |
09:17:20 | lachlan | Use Opera instead, its a great browser |
09:17:23 | scorche | i have never had it crash on me |
09:17:35 | * | scorche stuffs lachlan into a corner |
09:19:13 | * | amiconn never experienced a firefox crash since v. 1.5 |
09:19:29 | petur | lucky you |
09:19:33 | amiconn | And I usually have 20+ tabs open |
09:19:44 | scorche | i am usually more like 30 |
09:20:01 | scorche | i cant imagine life without tabbed browsing now |
09:20:04 | B4gder | did you guys know there's close button on each tab? ;-] |
09:20:17 | * | amiconn switched that off |
09:20:21 | B4gder | haha |
09:20:24 | scorche | B4gder: not on mine...i changed that to the old behavior in about:config |
09:20:42 | amiconn | I like the old, standard method way more, with the close button in the top right corner of the tab area |
09:20:55 | amiconn | Takes less space, and the place to click doesn't change per tab |
09:20:57 | scorche | same....which is why i changed that ;) |
09:21:17 | scorche | when you have that many tabs open, you cant see the name because the close button blocked it |
09:21:28 | * | amiconn uses Tab Mix Plus for a few more tab-related features |
09:21:49 | scorche | amiconn: stop reading my mind and typing them out! |
09:21:51 | * | annulus_ does too |
09:22:06 | annulus_ | I've had tab in the 100s |
09:22:21 | annulus_ | i get very sad when firefox crashes... |
09:22:25 | B4gder | why do you have that many tabs open? |
09:22:36 | linuxstb | Don't you need google to search your tabs? |
09:22:41 | B4gder | why not just reload the page again? |
09:22:52 | scorche | annulus_: session manager |
09:22:59 | scorche | 100s is a bit excessive |
09:23:09 | annulus_ | scorche. yeah when it works. and sometimes i just want to check the weather! |
09:23:10 | scorche | when i get to 40, i book mark them all and close them |
09:23:29 | annulus_ | yeah, except i want to read some stuff "later" |
09:24:00 | annulus_ | and any visit to wikipedia tends to lead to like 20 tabs being opened |
09:24:11 | B4gder | ? |
09:24:32 | scorche | he is referring to this effect ;) http://xkcd.com/c214.html |
09:25:05 | annulus_ | yes! |
09:25:26 | B4gder | I can see why it leads to clicking, but not why it would lead to more tabs... |
09:25:40 | B4gder | you mean there are then 20 pages to "read later" ? |
09:25:50 | annulus_ | B4gder, multiple links from each page. combinatorial explosion |
09:25:51 | B4gder | I guess I'm just old or something |
09:25:55 | scorche | if he never closed them...but 100 is a bit on the overblown side... |
09:26:04 | B4gder | annulus_: links don't imply a new tab in my world |
09:26:20 | B4gder | the web is filled with links |
09:26:27 | scorche | firefox must take up around 750,000k of memory then.. |
09:28:16 | annulus_ | sure. but i'm interested in everything |
09:28:39 | scorche | that isnt any excuse to leave the tabs open... |
09:29:11 | annulus_ | indeed... |
09:29:11 | B4gder | its not like the wikipedia articles are likely to just vanish when you look away |
09:29:38 | B4gder | but hey, whatever works for you |
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09:30:18 | annulus_ | B4gder, sure but I can't really bookmark them either, that'd just be a huge headache |
09:30:54 | B4gder | annulus_: when you grow older you'll find the "back" button ;-) |
09:31:00 | annulus_ | another big link whore is mathworld |
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09:49:30 | cadu | hello, i'm here to ask some guidelines/advice on translating |
09:50:07 | cadu | i'm having some kind of a trouble on translating 'Fade-In' 'Fade-Out' to my language (portuguese) |
09:50:53 | cadu | can't find a word or even a small combination of words that fits in the space nicely, would end up with gigantic strings anyway :( |
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09:52:01 | cadu | example: in "Fade-In Delay" i'm thinking in writing 'silêncio->música: tempo de espera' |
09:52:21 | cadu | that would mean 'silence-to-music : wait/delay period' |
09:52:56 | cadu | people would get it, so any problem in putting 'arrows' on a string ? :P |
09:53:29 | GodEater | do you need the "tempo de espera" bit ? |
09:53:38 | GodEater | woudln' they infer that from the fact that the setting is in seconds ? |
09:54:23 | cadu | well |
09:54:50 | cadu | if i wrote 'silence -> músic' only they would think at first that this is the duration of the fade-in |
09:55:04 | cadu | s/músic/music/ :) |
09:56:01 | GodEater | I'm just playing devil's advocate here - I don't know portuguese at all so I'm not sure what liberties you can take with it |
09:56:43 | cadu | and if i just quit and put 'fade-in' 'fade-out' on the strings the tech people (people that care using rockbox) would probably understand, but that's not the point (making rockbox a pandora's box filled with technical terms in foreign language that only geeks can grasp) :) |
09:57:14 | cadu | ehehhehehe, and i'm only at 27% at the .lang file :P long road |
09:57:36 | JdGordon | hey dan_a, is there any reason the backlight on hold code in the sansa button.c has been #if 0'd since commit? |
09:58:20 | cadu | GodEater: anyway thanks :) i'll just stick with the '->' :P |
09:59:03 | cadu | GodEater: btw i'm striving for only a minimal of loan words |
09:59:23 | dan_a | JdGordon: Probably a copy and paste error - I can't recall any problems with it. |
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09:59:50 | JdGordon | thats what I thought, I uncommented if and it works fine |
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10:00:19 | dan_a | JdGordon: Then commit! :D |
10:00:25 | * | dan_a runs off to work |
10:00:39 | JdGordon | will do :) |
10:00:58 | cadu | GodEater: anyway i'm putting some FIXMEs in the lang file, just in case in future i have some enlightenment and some nicer string pops up in my head :P |
10:01:00 | GodEater | cadu: no problem ;) |
10:01:07 | GodEater | good plan |
10:01:24 | cadu | right now is 'understandable/passable' :P) |
10:01:35 | GodEater | us english users are terribly spoilt with our vocabulary that we don't mind stealing and pillaging from other languages ;) |
10:02:01 | GodEater | or just making up as we go along |
10:02:01 | cadu | GodEater: ahahaha, do you know Japanese? :P |
10:02:13 | GodEater | A word or two, nothing more. |
10:02:32 | petur | haha, somebody bothered to update the ReleaseTodo wikipage |
10:02:49 | cadu | GodEater: people here are forgetting their own language |
10:03:14 | cadu | they get a 'Dorinkku' at their 'Sunakku Pabus Baa'' |
10:03:24 | cadu | (Drink) (Snack/Pub Bar :P) |
10:03:30 | cadu | Miruku (Milk) |
10:03:30 | * | GodEater searches for the blankest looking smiley ever |
10:03:40 | GodEater | ah ok I get it |
10:03:59 | GodEater | I should have sounded it out loud |
10:04:01 | cadu | and goes on, even HAVING the home language counterparts, the fuckers insist in using loanwords coz it looks nice :) |
10:04:09 | cadu | they sound smart speaking 'english' :) |
10:04:10 | GodEater | hehe |
10:04:29 | cadu | like 'hairo' (grey).... people here use 'gurei' all the fscking time :) |
10:04:50 | GodEater | I think my g/f knows more Japanese than me - it's a proper second language choice at school in New Zealand where she's from |
10:04:56 | GodEater | it wasn't offered in the UK |
10:05:03 | GodEater | hence I barely know any |
10:05:12 | GodEater | I think what I do know I picked up from reading Shogun |
10:05:17 | cadu | eheheheh |
10:05:30 | GodEater | and that's probably wrong ;) |
10:05:50 | B4gder | wakarimasu or something |
10:05:51 | cadu | like, anything not made of bamboos and wood uses 'katakana' (loanwords/whatever) here |
10:05:56 | * | B4gder once read shogun |
10:06:10 | GodEater | neat book, if a little gruesome |
10:06:22 | cadu | likem untensha (people that drives, raw translation)..... people insist in using DORAIBAA |
10:06:34 | GodEater | hahaha |
10:06:37 | GodEater | I like it |
10:06:43 | cadu | anyway Doraibaa is also used (obviously) as doraibaa, the tool. >) |
10:07:05 | cadu | here is the mish-mash language hell :) |
10:07:06 | GodEater | as in (thinks for a second) sekurudoraibba |
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10:07:15 | cadu | yup! |
10:07:17 | cadu | HAHAHAHAHA! |
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10:07:30 | GodEater | neat, I speak Japanese now ;) |
10:07:49 | cadu | just grab the easy words, put vowels on the middle of every syllabe, and you're done! |
10:07:53 | cadu | japanese 101! |
10:08:36 | GodEater | I might survive a holiday to Tokyo after all |
10:09:05 | cadu | what gives me the nerves is that people at television/talk shows/newspapers USE english words like 'i'm the smart one' and then on a sidenote there's the explanation of the english word he just used, so not-so-bright people can grasp it |
10:09:23 | cadu | the guy could have used the japanese word from the start :P |
10:09:58 | cadu | like 'komunikeshion' (communication) |
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10:49:05 | crop | Is it possible (and legal ;-) to call RB funcs other than those in plugin_api in a plugin? |
10:49:14 | B4gder | nope |
10:49:28 | B4gder | it is possible but not "legal" |
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10:49:46 | LinusN | crop: if you need a function, add it to the API |
10:49:47 | B4gder | if you lack a function there you should rather add it to the plugin.h first |
10:49:58 | JdGordon | ... and plugin.c |
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10:51:46 | XavierGr | why it isn't legal, what's the downside of doing so? |
10:52:06 | JdGordon | dont you get linking errors if you try it? |
10:52:07 | B4gder | the downside is that the plugin becomes very fixed to that particular rockbox build |
10:52:30 | B4gder | the plugin api is designed to allow rockbox to change somewhat and still have working plugins |
10:53:03 | B4gder | not that it is a very big drawback since we build and ship them together always |
10:53:09 | JdGordon | is anyone else having problems with playback where playback stalls for maybe half a second about 40s into playback, and then goes along playing fine? |
10:53:27 | JdGordon | only happens on my h300, not the sansa :( |
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11:03:01 | JdGordon | hey barrywardell |
11:04:06 | barrywardell | hey |
11:04:20 | JdGordon | did you end up doing anything with moving the pp targets around? |
11:04:44 | barrywardell | you mean moving files in the target tree? |
11:04:49 | JdGordon | yeah |
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11:04:53 | barrywardell | I looked at it at one stage |
11:05:06 | barrywardell | moving all the *-pp.c stuff inside a pp folder |
11:05:31 | barrywardell | but hadn't got to the stage of having anything to commit |
11:05:58 | JdGordon | ok, well I was bored this arvo, so I moved the sansa, h10 and tatung targets, (and the generic -pp.*) but for some reason the h10 and tatung failed to build after the moved. sysfont.h didnt get created! |
11:06:24 | barrywardell | hmmm. i've come across sysfont.h problems before |
11:06:33 | barrywardell | did you use a clean build dir? |
11:06:48 | JdGordon | did veryclean and reconfiure a dozen times |
11:07:01 | barrywardell | have you got a patch I can try? |
11:08:35 | JdGordon | the patch shows all the moved files like they were deleted only, so i dont know if it will work |
11:08:54 | JdGordon | if I try svn add on the new files it says they are already in the repo ? |
11:09:11 | barrywardell | weird |
11:09:14 | markun | JdGordon: did you update firmware/SOURCES ? |
11:09:19 | crop | LinusN, B4gder: sorry, I was off a bit. The func I'm thinking about is rather special so I'm not sure whether the plugin_api should be changed because of that. |
11:09:24 | JdGordon | markun: yep, and tools/confgure |
11:09:30 | JdGordon | and firmare/*.lds |
11:09:44 | JdGordon | barrywardell: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch |
11:09:45 | LinusN | crop what is it then? |
11:10:57 | JdGordon | hmm... doing svn commit shows the files would be moved correctly.. so I dunno.. |
11:10:59 | markun | JdGordon: what's "target/coldfire/portalplayer" supposed to be? |
11:11:04 | barrywardell | ipods should be included in the move too? |
11:11:07 | JdGordon | a mistke :p |
11:11:21 | JdGordon | barrywardell: I dont know... it will just make that folder more of a mess |
11:11:42 | barrywardell | but the ipod uses a lot of the *-pp.* files |
11:11:56 | crop | LinusN: I wanted to make id3 tag parsing more flexible to allow e.g. for a plugin that would display the lyrics (or other tags not in mp3entry), see yesterday's irc log |
11:12:46 | crop | Thus I'd like to make parse_mp3_metadata (or what's the name of the function?) available to plugins |
11:12:54 | markun | JdGordon: did you "svn mv" the directories? |
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11:13:12 | JdGordon | markun: looks like kate really fucked up the coldfire targets.. good thign you saw them :) and yes |
11:13:28 | markun | I did that as well for the Gigabeat and had some problems with that |
11:13:35 | LinusN | crop: sure, why not? |
11:14:02 | LinusN | crop: we have no rules or guidelines for what functions can be in the plugin api or not |
11:14:08 | markun | JdGordon: when I created new directories, added them, "svn mv"-d the files there and removed the original directories it worked fine |
11:14:12 | LinusN | if a function is needed, we add it |
11:14:18 | crop | LinusN: is it worth enlarging the api? |
11:14:29 | LinusN | yes, if a plugin needs it |
11:14:41 | LinusN | the api size is of no concern |
11:14:47 | crop | LinusN: the more funcs you habe in the api the more fragile the code in plugin.c gets |
11:14:55 | LinusN | why so? |
11:15:22 | crop | ...since the structure is initialised by the order of the fields, not by their names |
11:15:30 | LinusN | and? |
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11:16:14 | crop | LinusN: it's very easy to break the order. And this will be (probably) hard to find |
11:16:33 | linuxstb | Won't that give compiler errors (types of functions being different) ? |
11:16:49 | LinusN | crop: we have had it like this for many years now, and we haven't had any big problems with that yet |
11:16:59 | * | linuxstb can't remember any problems |
11:17:08 | Llorean | Isn't the order equally breakable no matter how many there are, as long as that number is >2? |
11:17:09 | JdGordon | barrywardell: :'( it was mistakes in find/replace which stopped sysfont.h being made... lemme fix this all and il put up a new patch |
11:17:18 | * | JdGordon thanks markun for spotting it |
11:17:30 | LinusN | and we only add new functions last in the struct |
11:17:45 | barrywardell | ok, cool |
11:17:49 | crop | LinusN: ok, then I'll try. But later. I can only chime in here from time to time but have no time to actually write code. |
11:17:57 | markun | JdGordon: make sure you do the move correctly and not just delete all the files from SVN.. |
11:18:13 | JdGordon | markun: i did it with svn move... so should be all good |
11:18:20 | markun | does "svn st" show you that the files are being added? |
11:18:26 | barrywardell | i wonder why it was complaining about sysfont.h when it was a completely different problem? |
11:18:48 | JdGordon | markun: yes |
11:19:05 | markun | barrywardell: I got the same error when I didn't update SOURCES correctly, didn't try to figure out why |
11:20:13 | barrywardell | markun: yes, I think that's when I got problems in the past too |
11:21:32 | JdGordon | linuxstb: is tpj1022 an ok name for that target? or should it be tatung-tpj1022 like iriver-h10 ? |
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11:23:11 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/p/INxEft17.html is the what target/arm would look like after commit |
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11:30:05 | markun | I wonder why CVS was changed to SVN here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/ReleaseTodo?rev1=37;rev2=36 |
11:30:24 | barrywardell | it would maybe be good to moe crt0-pnx0101.S into the iriver folder (and possibly rename that folder) |
11:30:27 | * | petur too |
11:31:00 | barrywardell | and the system-pnx0101.c |
11:31:03 | markun | barrywardell: better to have a pnx0101 folder, no? |
11:31:14 | barrywardell | yeah, I think so |
11:31:15 | petur | markun: 10.02.32 # <petur> haha, somebody bothered to update the ReleaseTodo wikipage |
11:31:26 | markun | petur: missed that :) |
11:32:08 | barrywardell | and what's the difference between system-arm.h and system-target.h? |
11:32:11 | markun | Maybe I will change it back to CVS :) |
11:32:32 | markun | barrywardell: shall I do the pnx0101 move? |
11:32:48 | barrywardell | yeah, go for it! |
11:33:19 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the ipods also be under portalplayer? |
11:33:34 | linuxstb | (I'm looking at JdGordon's pastebin) |
11:35:50 | barrywardell | linuxstb: see my comment 20 minutes ago - i agree with you :) |
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11:40:33 | PaulJam_ | Hi, the nimbus12 font has a bug: the euro sign is at position/encoding 164 (A1) while it should be at 8364 (20AC). Is this worth a bugreport on flyspray? |
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11:45:09 | markun | PaulJam_: better just fix it :) |
11:47:14 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well, if we move ipod in also it makes that folder worse... but yeah |
11:47:53 | barrywardell | how does it make it worse? |
11:48:10 | barrywardell | is it not just 1 extra folder? |
11:49:11 | JdGordon | ok, well not really that bad |
11:50:42 | JdGordon | hmm.. should ipod be split into ipod-3g ipod-video, ipod-mini etc? or keep them all together? |
11:52:04 | barrywardell | most of them are common |
11:52:28 | PaulJam_ | markun: i'm not going to post a patch if thats what you mean. |
11:52:34 | markun | ok |
11:52:44 | markun | Or I can just edit it myself and commit the fix |
11:53:16 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I think just moving the ipod directory as is to inside the portalplayer dir |
11:53:27 | markun | PaulJam_: what should 164 be? |
11:53:33 | JdGordon | have to remove the 2 subfolders though |
11:54:03 | barrywardell | why? |
11:54:26 | JdGordon | so we dont have to fiddle with any more scripts... |
11:54:38 | JdGordon | include dirs only looks 3 deep in the /target folder |
11:54:56 | barrywardell | in that case, then i'd go for a common ipod folder |
11:55:17 | barrywardell | and maybe later someone can look at making it go 4 folders deep |
11:55:17 | JdGordon | righto |
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11:55:41 | barrywardell | that could be useful for other targets too. h10 has 5GB and 20GB |
11:55:46 | PaulJam_ | markun: 8364 (hexadecimal: 20AC) according to this page: http://www.utf8-zeichentabelle.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl |
11:55:47 | barrywardell | gigabeat F and X |
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11:56:56 | markun | PaulJam_: I usually look at unicode.org |
11:57:56 | barrywardell | back in an hour or so |
11:58:21 | markun | PaulJam_: ah, 00A1 should be "EXCLAMATION MARK, INVERTED" |
11:59:59 | PaulJam_ | markun: oh, sorry 164 is A4 in hex |
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12:00:24 | markun | ah yes :) |
12:00:40 | petur | hmmm *PANIC* Blocking violation B->*T |
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12:02:20 | PaulJam_ | markun: btw, the nimbus14 font seems to have tha same issue. |
12:02:25 | JdGordon | LinusN: I think adding a 4th level to the paths is probaly a good thing to do anyway, can I change t_model to t_family and then the 4th level would be t_model? (eg arm/pp/ipod/3g) ? |
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12:08:09 | LinusN | JdGordon: so it would be cpu/family/manufacturer/model? |
12:08:23 | JdGordon | yeah |
12:08:34 | JdGordon | the last one would be optional though |
12:09:19 | JdGordon | no... cpu/manufucturer/family/model |
12:09:34 | LinusN | ok |
12:10:26 | markun | the ifp target doesn't compile, right? |
12:10:44 | LinusN | JdGordon: you mean that family would be optional? |
12:11:13 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/p/J5a0nG39.html |
12:11:18 | Llorean | markun: It has in the past, it didn't the last time I checked (month, month and a half ago, roughly) |
12:11:43 | markun | Llorean: I'll just commit the target tree move then |
12:12:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: how would it be in the iriver coldfire h-series case? |
12:12:50 | JdGordon | no change... should t_model be something like exta_dir or something instead? |
12:13:43 | JdGordon | I thought the only problems were in arm with all the pp targets? coldfire targets should be left along |
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12:13:46 | JdGordon | alone* |
12:19:47 | JdGordon | LinusN: so its OK? |
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12:26:42 | markun | LinusN: it would be nice if the target and drivers directories could somehow be combined I think |
12:27:15 | markun | because for some components like RTC they can be part of the SoC |
12:27:51 | markun | otoh, maybe those should just be moved into the target tree.. |
12:29:05 | B4gder | drivers should be for chips and hw that can exist on basically any target |
12:29:13 | markun | yes |
12:29:26 | B4gder | if they're tightly associated with a specific target, it should go in the target tree imho |
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12:31:17 | JdGordon | ok, im commiting unless someone says STOP! |
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12:32:07 | markun | B4gder: what do you think about the driver/ata*.c files? They look more like something that should be in firmware (like ubs*.c) |
12:32:10 | markun | usb even |
12:32:33 | markun | or usb*.c should maybe be moved? |
12:34:12 | B4gder | I have no real opinion on those |
12:34:26 | markun | and tuner_*.c |
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12:38:53 | markun | B4gder: is it ok if I clean up firmware/drivers a bit by making 'audio' and 'lcd' subdirs? |
12:39:59 | JdGordon | markun: dont move lcd*... hopefulyl that will encourage amiconn to merge them all.... |
12:40:09 | markun | ok |
12:40:26 | B4gder | well, personally i don't see a problem with the current layout/population |
12:40:54 | LinusN | JdGordon: i don't understand |
12:41:04 | JdGordon | which part? |
12:41:27 | LinusN | JdGordon: the current iriver layout is coldfire/iriver/h100 |
12:42:05 | LinusN | cpu=coldfire, manufacturer=iriver, model=h100 |
12:42:13 | LinusN | what would it be with your change? |
12:42:38 | LinusN | would h100 be the family then? |
12:42:43 | JdGordon | yeah |
12:42:47 | JdGordon | maybe the names are wrong |
12:43:08 | JdGordon | keep model as model, and add a new level "optional" or "specific" or something? |
12:43:27 | Llorean | Well, H100 is valid as "family" too. |
12:43:32 | LinusN | could be |
12:44:05 | markun | with h120 and h100 specific sub dirs? |
12:44:16 | markun | maybe not |
12:44:21 | LinusN | family could be "h-series" |
12:44:33 | Llorean | hxxx series |
12:44:48 | Llorean | Well, I guess h10 is in ARM anyway |
12:44:57 | LinusN | please remind me, what problem are we trying to solve? |
12:45:05 | Llorean | I have no clue |
12:45:06 | B4gder | h[13][24]0 series ;-) |
12:45:10 | Llorean | I just walked in on it. |
12:45:17 | JdGordon | portalplayer targets being everywhere in /arm.. I tihnk... |
12:45:19 | JdGordon | something like that |
12:45:28 | JdGordon | barrywardell's idea :p |
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12:48:21 | LinusN | i guess the best structure would be arm/pp/sansa/e200 or something? |
12:48:49 | markun | LinusN: yes, that's what we were thinking |
12:49:18 | LinusN | with pp being the "family", i.e cpu family? |
12:49:38 | LinusN | or pp == "platform"? |
12:50:32 | JdGordon | does svn move move subdirs? when I use it on a folder it doesnt seem to list the files/subdirs in the folder as added |
12:50:59 | JdGordon | LinusN: that could work better... |
12:51:17 | LinusN | how would that translate to the other targets? |
12:51:31 | LinusN | m68k/coldfire/iriver/h100 ? |
12:52:31 | B4gder | that makes sense |
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12:52:42 | Llorean | I like that better |
12:52:46 | JdGordon | platform would be optional... no need to add an extra level to sh/coldfire imo |
12:52:53 | JdGordon | they arnt problems like arm is |
12:53:02 | Llorean | Does the extra level hurt anything? |
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12:53:16 | B4gder | and for gigabeat, it would be arm/samsung/toshiba/gigabeatF ? |
12:53:17 | LinusN | JdGordon: but then the directory hierarchy would be confusing |
12:53:17 | JdGordon | no, but it makes it more annoying browsing the tree |
12:53:32 | LinusN | on the contrary |
12:53:45 | LinusN | you would know exactly what each level means |
12:53:57 | B4gder | yeah, consistency is good |
12:54:13 | JdGordon | B4gder: no arm/s3c2440/gigabeat/fx |
12:54:15 | markun | B4gder: the kenwoods use the same SoC so that's why I moved it into a s3c2440 dir |
12:54:59 | B4gder | gigabeat/fx really ? |
12:55:26 | JdGordon | or gigabeat-fx |
12:55:48 | JdGordon | ... which is what it is in svn now. |
12:55:48 | B4gder | if "ipod" and "iriver" would be used, I figure it would be "toshiba" for gigabeat |
12:56:09 | LinusN | B4gder: and "apple" |
12:56:16 | B4gder | yeah, it just struck me |
12:56:18 | markun | so arm/s3c2440/toshiba/gigabeat-fx |
12:56:26 | Llorean | So arm/s3c2440/Toshiba/Gigabet-FX? |
12:56:30 | B4gder | arm/pp/apple/ipod3g |
12:56:33 | markun | :) |
12:56:49 | JdGordon | markun: well, thats no good if you end up neeing seperate folders for them |
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12:57:06 | Llorean | JdGordon: The F and X can be split later, right? |
12:57:13 | B4gder | exactly |
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12:57:25 | LinusN | in fact, we couldn't care less that the gigabeat is manufactured by toshiba |
12:57:42 | B4gder | LinusN: but we don't care about iriver or apple either... |
12:58:01 | LinusN | "iriver" couold just as well be "H-series" |
12:58:08 | B4gder | hxxx you mean ;-) |
12:58:12 | LinusN | blabla |
12:58:40 | B4gder | yeah, so arm/s3c2440/gigabeat/fx then |
12:58:51 | B4gder | arm/pp/ipod/3g |
12:59:18 | B4gder | arch / platform / series / model |
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12:59:35 | LinusN | sounds fine |
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13:00:00 | LinusN | series could be something like "iriver-hxxx" |
13:00:09 | B4gder | yes sure |
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13:36:31 | Stalwart | is it hard to install to install rockbox on ipod using windows? harder than using linux? |
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13:36:45 | Llorean | It's rather easy for both |
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13:37:28 | Stalwart | i want to try out 1.3.1 official firmware for |
13:37:31 | Stalwart | * my nano |
13:37:34 | Luse | i have what may be a stupid quesiton |
13:37:39 | Luse | question* |
13:38:40 | Luse | im having trouble with my gigabeat and rockbox. It keeps saying "Codec Failure" when I try to play mp3's |
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13:38:52 | Luse | should there be a mp3.codec file in the codecs dir? |
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13:38:56 | LinusN | Luse: yes |
13:39:00 | LinusN | mpa.codec |
13:39:01 | Luse | ahh |
13:39:02 | B4gder | mpa |
13:39:05 | Luse | ta |
13:39:29 | Luse | hmm its in there |
13:39:36 | LinusN | maybe it's old |
13:39:41 | JdGordon | markun: btw, i was joking before about the lcd drivers... |
13:39:42 | Llorean | Stalwart: The install process is ridiculously easy these days. |
13:39:45 | Llorean | Luse: What player do you have? |
13:39:54 | LinusN | Luse: have you updated rockbox lately? |
13:40:08 | JdGordon | LinusN: what will the sh folrder look like with the 4th dir? |
13:40:35 | Luse | yeah did so today |
13:40:51 | LinusN | Luse: then did you really update all of the files in the zip file? |
13:41:07 | Luse | overwrote them with the new zip |
13:41:08 | Stalwart | Llorean: i didn't seriously use windows for ~2.5 years |
13:41:30 | Stalwart | only for web browsing on friend's pcs |
13:41:38 | LinusN | Luse: i suggest you update your bootloader |
13:41:43 | Luse | rgr |
13:41:46 | Llorean | Stalwart: The process is fine on either player, it's very easy on Linux as well. |
13:42:01 | LinusN | Luse: and remove the rockbox.gigabeat file in the root |
13:42:15 | Luse | kk |
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13:43:38 | spiorf | there is somewhere a table with every HAVE_SOMETHING used in ifdefs for all platforms? |
13:44:03 | B4gder | spiorf: I don't think so |
13:44:33 | spiorf | then where can i find if my ipod nano has that feature? |
13:44:56 | B4gder | check the nano config*.h file |
13:45:09 | B4gder | firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h iirc |
13:45:34 | spiorf | ok thanks |
13:46:34 | JdGordon | spiorf: or just ask... it might be faster :p |
13:46:44 | Luse | hmm |
13:47:09 | Luse | New bootloader = startup screen then blackness |
13:47:10 | * | amiconn wonders why we need subdir under drivers/ ... |
13:47:16 | amiconn | subdirs even |
13:47:36 | spiorf | i was trying to read the code, so i can't ask for every ifdef i find |
13:48:21 | JdGordon | I just compiled brickmania for the sansa (using the bmps for the nano), but the game is too easy because you have ages for the powerups to fall.. should I halve the screen height and center the screen vertically? or will that look really bad? |
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13:50:07 | amiconn | Speed up the lcd driver... |
13:50:17 | LinusN | Luse: interesting... |
13:51:32 | LinusN | Luse: i am no gigabeat expert, though, so i'm not sure why it would do that |
13:51:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: was that to me? |
13:51:54 | LinusN | Luse: can you connect to USB? |
13:51:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: yes |
13:52:00 | Luse | ahh |
13:52:02 | Luse | i could |
13:52:07 | Luse | tll i tried an old bootloader |
13:52:23 | amiconn | LinusN: arch/platform/series/model is one layer too much at least for some targets |
13:52:30 | JdGordon | amiconn: no, the problem is the lcd is too high, so the ball goes up and down twice before the powerup falls... speeding up the game would make it way too hard |
13:52:55 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, how do you suggest we approach that without confusing the hierarchies? |
13:53:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: You could just set the powerups to fall at a faster speed... |
13:53:18 | Llorean | JdGordon: Can't you make them move two steps instead of one on Nano, or move more often? |
13:53:20 | amiconn | In fact I don't understand what problem we try to solve here |
13:53:38 | amiconn | The target tree worked fine with the existing 3 layers |
13:53:45 | Llorean | Brickmania seems rife with screen-size dependencies. Didn't the ball move different speeds on different screens too? |
13:54:08 | LinusN | amiconn: afaik, the problem is that much PP code is spread among the manufacturers |
13:54:18 | Luse | LinusN ok im able to connect to it via usb again |
13:54:26 | amiconn | Then put it on the arm level... |
13:55:10 | LinusN | amiconn: the idea was that the cpu level would be CPU specific stuff, i.e ARM assembly and the likes |
13:55:34 | LinusN | and not ADC drivers for portalplayer etc |
13:55:41 | amiconn | Nothings stops us from separating by cpu sub-type at the cpu layer |
13:55:56 | amiconn | I mean without creating a separate folder level |
13:56:21 | Luse | annnnd it loads rockbox and blackscreen |
13:56:25 | amiconn | Like system-pp.c, system-pnx0101.c etc |
13:56:43 | Llorean | Luse: Try turning on Hold, immediately after turning on the player |
13:56:54 | Luse | kk |
13:56:54 | LinusN | Luse: perhaps you should remove the .rockbox dir and install rockbox from scratch |
13:57:02 | amiconn | system-target.h would then keep its name, including the more specific .h files with a few simple ifdefs |
13:57:13 | Llorean | LinusN: It *might* just be Black on Black. |
13:57:24 | LinusN | Llorean: yeah, you are right |
13:57:32 | Luse | how do i sort that out? |
13:57:35 | amiconn | Like #ifdef CPU_PP / #include "system-pp.h" #elif .... |
13:57:37 | Llorean | Luse: The turn on hold thing |
13:58:03 | Llorean | Luse: Turn off the player, turn it on, and while the Toshiba screen is on, turn on hold, and wait for Rockbox to load. Hopefully it should say "Cleared" |
13:58:30 | * | pondlife can read at about the same speed Llorean can type |
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13:59:21 | JdGordon | Llorean: not easily... forcing the screen size to around the size of the nano seems to work ine in the sim... |
13:59:22 | Luse | hmm nah no change |
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13:59:44 | Llorean | Luse: Gigabeat X or F? |
13:59:52 | B4gder | JdGordon: rotate the gameplay! ;-P |
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14:00:28 | JdGordon | B4gder: id love to |
14:00:31 | amiconn | pondlife: Wanna try a new patch? |
14:00:34 | Llorean | B4gder: If I recall, most of the movements in that game are based on pixels/frame rather than using some sort of speed. |
14:00:48 | Llorean | B4gder: Basically making it different on every screen. =/ |
14:00:58 | amiconn | Now the sim also displays the debug output correctly if you set your console to use a truetype font :) |
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14:01:39 | Llorean | Luse: If it's X, I'm guessing by "Blackness" you meant "No Backlight"? |
14:01:42 | pondlife | amiconn: Go for it |
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14:02:47 | Luse | X |
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14:02:56 | Luse | thats it indeed |
14:03:06 | Luse | its an X30 |
14:03:08 | * | amiconn would also like Bagder or LinusN take a look at this patch |
14:03:08 | Llorean | Luse: Ah, we thought by "blackness" you meant the screen was black, not unlit. |
14:03:20 | Luse | well its not lit |
14:03:24 | Luse | and nothing is displayed |
14:03:25 | Llorean | Luse: There's a current bug that keeps the backlight from working on the X series. The most recent working build is 4-11, I believe |
14:03:25 | amiconn | It uses quite a number of macros... |
14:03:55 | JdGordon | tisk tisk.. macros are bad! |
14:03:57 | LinusN | amiconn: what patch? |
14:04:01 | Luse | ill give 4-11 a go |
14:05:03 | amiconn | amiconn.dnynds.org/win32unicode.diff">http://amiconn.dnynds.org/win32unicode.diff |
14:05:34 | amiconn | It enabled the sim to properly work on windows with non-ascii filenames |
14:05:38 | amiconn | *enables |
14:06:09 | B4gder | dnynds.org, is that a new service? ;-] |
14:06:19 | Luse | Llorean |
14:06:27 | Luse | I would like to have your e-babies |
14:06:32 | Luse | its working |
14:06:35 | amiconn | bah |
14:06:36 | Luse | thanks everyone |
14:06:39 | amiconn | dyndns of course |
14:07:24 | Luse | seeyas |
14:07:43 | B4gder | amiconn: looks fine enough to me, I'm rather clueless when it comes to unicode |
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14:09:19 | LinusN | amiconn: i think it looks OK |
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14:12:32 | pondlife | amiconn: Not working here |
14:12:36 | pondlife | i.e. can't download! |
14:12:50 | pondlife | Oops, gotcha |
14:14:22 | * | pondlife should read more |
14:15:23 | pondlife | amiconn: Seems fine |
14:18:10 | pondlife | Some of the console output isn't as I'd expect still. |
14:18:14 | pondlife | "We open the real file 'M:\/Arcade Fire/Funeral/08 Haïti.cue" |
14:18:45 | pondlife | Ignore the stupid M:\... that's my hackery |
14:18:51 | amiconn | pondlife: You need to set your console to use a truetype font. I mentioned that. |
14:19:03 | pondlife | Ah, I missed that |
14:19:15 | pondlife | I blame work. |
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14:20:29 | pondlife | Yep, works great |
14:21:50 | pondlife | amiconn: Is it ready to commit? |
14:22:22 | * | JdGordon wants to add a powerup to brickmania to change the pad width... but gets scared every time he looks at the code :p |
14:23:45 | pondlife | Haha, you should try some playback fixes |
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14:30:00 | elinenbe_ | Quick question... are the button backlights supposed to work on the Toshiba F series? |
14:30:39 | Llorean | elinenbe_: There's a debug menu option |
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15:00:21 | markun | JdGordon: ok, I thought you were serious about the lcd driver stuff :) |
15:00:54 | JdGordon | na, :), would be nice if the merging happened though... but... :p |
15:01:22 | amiconn | Merging all lcd drivers doesn't make sense |
15:01:37 | JdGordon | no, but the scroll code, and the bmp drawing... |
15:01:45 | amiconn | But some parts can, and will, be shared across drivers |
15:01:56 | amiconn | scroll code: yes, bmp drawing: no |
15:02:16 | amiconn | And the text output can (possibly) be unified across bitmap lcd drivers |
15:08:33 | yoho | i have some basic questions about bookmarking, deleting, is there someone that would be kind enuf to PM me to answer (gigabeat/f)? (the manual doesn't sync to the screens i see) |
15:08:57 | markun | yoho: which manual did you try? |
15:09:22 | markun | the pdf or the html? |
15:09:31 | yoho | markun: daily build 'online' |
15:09:55 | markun | in what way doesn't it "sync to the screen"? |
15:10:43 | yoho | i could never find this screen: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox_interface/images/ss-file-menu-240x320x16.png |
15:11:31 | markun | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-310004.1.2 |
15:12:29 | markun | Anyway, what are the questions you have? |
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15:14:15 | yoho | while on filelong select (right arrow(?)) doesn't enter FILE MENU for me, just scrolls list horz |
15:14:24 | yoho | file,long |
15:15:11 | markun | select is actually the center of the cross :) |
15:15:27 | markun | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-180003.1.1 |
15:16:59 | yoho | great, that worked, let me try my bookmarking issues with that in mind. |
15:17:31 | markun | ok, I don't think you should have much trouble with it now |
15:17:36 | markun | good luck |
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15:22:46 | yoho | bookmarking looking better, one other question, on my ajax wps, the top date/time line shows 'Thu, b dc 9:M:Sc' ?? |
15:23:13 | aliask | yoho: There was a recent update to the way that time and date tags work in the WPS |
15:23:21 | aliask | You'll need to update the WPS. |
15:23:31 | yoho | i DL'd yesterday, since then? |
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15:23:55 | aliask | Downloaded what yesterday? The build or the WPS? |
15:24:00 | yoho | both |
15:24:02 | pixelma | no, but the WPS is older |
15:24:03 | andrewy | my iriver h320 works fine with the official firmware. I've tried rockbox by patching the 1.29kr, 1.28eu, and 1.30eu firmware, and all have the same problem. The battery always dies overnight, even though I turn the unit off. When the rockbox firmware is flashed, barely touching the button will turn it on (I have to told the power button for a few seconds with the official firmware), so my guess is that it turns on over night and runs its |
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15:26:46 | markun | andrewy: strange, I've never heard about anyone with the same problem |
15:26:48 | yoho | so i need to edit the WPS template? |
15:27:04 | aliask | yoho: The WPS must not be in sync with the current state of rockbox. You could make the changes according to this document: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
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15:33:41 | markun | austriancoder: preparing yourself for a summer of staying inside and doing hard labor? :) |
15:34:29 | austriancoder | markun: *g* a laptop is a very fine toy |
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15:38:05 | yoho | aliask: re: wps editing, that worked, thanks! |
15:38:59 | markun | yoho: nothing left but to sit back, relax and enjoy your music |
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15:39:38 | aliask | yoho: Good on ya |
15:41:06 | yoho | re: bookmarking, i'm playing a file, and select NEXT, then PREV, any way to enforce bookmarks? (set to ask/ask) |
15:42:07 | markun | what do you mean by "enforce bookmarks" ? |
15:42:29 | yoho | to resume PREV file at point i left off |
15:43:07 | markun | it's still not clear to me. Maybe someone else can help. |
15:43:35 | markun | you want to set a bookmark for every file when you skip to another one? |
15:43:44 | aliask | Do you mean "set to ask/don't ask"? |
15:43:44 | yoho | yes |
15:44:02 | yoho | i set both to ASK |
15:44:13 | markun | yoho: I don't think what you ask is possible, but I might be wrong |
15:45:30 | markun | do you know how to program? |
15:45:39 | petur | austriancoder: in the process of examining usable USB stacks, might be good to check the (free) one I got from philips for the isp1362 ( http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbOnTheGoSupport ), it should do complete OTG so it can play host or client. I have a modified version at home that compiles for h3x0 |
15:46:17 | petur | if stack could be separated from driver it would be nice |
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15:57:45 | barrywardell | petur, austriancoder: this is only a device mode USB stack, but it's quite simple and has some nice examples: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lpcusb |
15:58:02 | Topy | actually, usbotg is one of the features i miss most in rockbox. the original firmwares usbotg support on the X5 sucks seriously, and i would love being able to use my x5 as image tank during festivals |
15:58:16 | Topy | and as backup device aswell, as sd cards die away on me all the time |
15:58:24 | petur | Topy: you're not alone ;) |
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15:58:32 | Topy | (as in, they never last longer than 3-4 festivals...) |
15:59:25 | B4gder | not to forget: e200tool uploads usb code to the sansa... |
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15:59:40 | austriancoder | barrywardell: thanks.. at the moment i am looking in books and other stacks to define something like a design for the stack.. also i am looking how linux kernel does it |
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16:00:06 | B4gder | the linux one is very big and complicated |
16:00:15 | * | petur would really like a stack that does both client and host |
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16:00:51 | austriancoder | petur: me too.. but first part will be client |
16:00:54 | Topy | its a shame that the x5's usbotg port is only usb1.1 |
16:01:06 | Topy | the usb2.0 port is client-only afaik |
16:02:04 | Topy | i was thinking about getting one of these "read from one device and write to another" gadgets as a workaround... |
16:02:05 | Topy | but thats one more device to be carrying around |
16:02:05 | markun | Topy: usbotg is usb2.0 in fact, but at the speed you are used to from usb1.1 |
16:02:41 | Topy | markun, oh? on the x5? because its only usb1.1 speed if used as client... on the subpack usb port, access is a LOT faster |
16:02:42 | Thundercloud | Topy: Get a belt :D |
16:03:01 | B4gder | Topy: don't confuse speeds with usb versions |
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16:03:20 | petur | usbotg is an extension on usb2 |
16:03:25 | Topy | B4gder, i dont, its just that i thought that its usb1.1 because the speed quite exactly matches common usb1.1 speeds |
16:04:03 | B4gder | calling it "1.1 speed" is one of the reasons for the common confusion |
16:04:12 | Topy | let me try something |
16:08:24 | Topy | you are right, it DOES actually identify itself as usb2.0 device |
16:08:33 | Topy | weird that its slower over that port |
16:08:44 | markun | B4gder: but high-speed and full-speed are also confusing to me |
16:08:44 | petur | not weird at all |
16:09:04 | B4gder | markun: indeed! |
16:09:05 | Topy | why would it be only a fraction of the speed if connected over the host port instead of the subpack-usb-port |
16:09:30 | Llorean | Topy: Because USB2.0 doesn't mean you have to support all speeds. |
16:09:57 | Topy | i see - i think |
16:10:09 | Llorean | There's "Full Speed" which is, if I recall, the 1.1 speed |
16:10:26 | Llorean | And then there's the additional "High Speed" which is what people seem to think of as "USB2.0" |
16:10:34 | aliask | Topy: USB2 was a standard that included a bunch of stuff. One of those things was USB-OTG. Another of those was "high speed usb" |
16:10:34 | Llorean | Both are really valid 2.0, iiuc |
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16:13:11 | petur | Llorean: usb 1.1 actually has 2 speeds: LOW (1.5Mbit) and FULL (12Mbit) |
16:13:11 | Topy | must have been invented by the same guys that invented "web 2.0" :) |
16:13:25 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_signaling |
16:13:29 | Thundercloud | Nobody invented web 2.0, it just emerged :( |
16:13:33 | Thundercloud | Like a stand alone complex. |
16:13:35 | Topy | yes, low is whats used by devices like mice, keyboards, joypads... |
16:13:55 | Llorean | petur: I was sorta generalizing still. :) |
16:14:03 | petur | ;) |
16:14:14 | Topy | Thundercloud, more like cancer. but i was talking about the confusing and redundant "names" for it |
16:14:39 | Thundercloud | Haha |
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16:17:06 | elinenbe_ | what's up with the beep setting? No matter what I set it to, it hardly works properly... |
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16:20:05 | Llorean | elinenbe_: What do you mean? |
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16:23:22 | elinenbe_ | Llorean: if I enable sound settings->general settings->playback->beep voulme->to anything here.... |
16:23:31 | elinenbe_ | it works randomly |
16:24:25 | Llorean | The volume works randomly? |
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16:25:41 | GodEater | does ROLO work on the gigabeat now ? |
16:25:46 | markun | no |
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16:25:46 | Llorean | Not that I know of |
16:26:07 | GodEater | why is it in the manual then ? |
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16:27:40 | elinenbe_ | Llorean: the beeps happen randomly |
16:28:33 | Llorean | GodEater: Because if things should be working, but aren't quite yet, they're often in the manual anyway. |
16:29:43 | Llorean | It'd be really nice if RoLo worked. |
16:29:58 | GodEater | yes, but it's been on the feature list for months now |
16:30:17 | GodEater | and it's either not being worked on, or it's much more difficult to do than previously though |
16:30:19 | GodEater | +t |
16:30:24 | Llorean | So? |
16:30:27 | GodEater | in which case, IMO, it shouldn't be in the manual |
16:30:33 | Llorean | Rockbox isn't released, the manual says clearly "Draft" |
16:30:53 | GodEater | fine, fine, but I've already seen posts in the forum from people who assume it does work |
16:31:04 | pondlife | Ass-u-me. |
16:31:35 | Llorean | A note in the manual saying it doesn't work yet wouldn't be out of place. |
16:31:37 | GodEater | pondlife: assume based on what we always ask our users to do, which is read the manual |
16:31:50 | pondlife | :) |
16:32:04 | Llorean | GodEater: We also tell them clearly that not everything is working as intended yet. |
16:32:08 | Llorean | For example, Recording on iPod. |
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16:32:24 | pondlife | The main menu isn't even right in the manual, that's the first screen users see. |
16:34:32 | Febs | If the feature is presently operable, the only reason it would be in the manual is because no-one has corrected the manual to remove it or put a note that it is not yet operational. |
16:34:42 | Febs | s/is/is not |
16:35:02 | GodEater | Llorean: where does the manual say "draft" ? |
16:35:15 | Febs | GodEater: on every page of the PDF. |
16:35:23 | GodEater | ah - I'm reading the online version |
16:35:42 | markun | But I wonder if the manual will ever NOT be a draft :) |
16:35:44 | Llorean | Febs: The feature doesn't work yet. Attempting to rolo makes the screen flicker, and nothing happens. |
16:35:58 | Llorean | markun: It will always be a draft except when a release version of RB comes out, I think. |
16:36:25 | Llorean | A non-draft manual would have to be "complete" for the version of Rockbox parallel to it. Basically impossible without a release. :) |
16:36:38 | GodEater | I still think RoLo shouldn't be in there if it doesn't work. Just saying the manual is "draft" isn't hugely helpful to people if they have no way of knowing which bits are accurate or not |
16:37:00 | Llorean | Febs: Honestly, the same problem could be solved by Rockbox giving an error of some sort when RoLo isn't working. |
16:38:39 | Llorean | GodEater: If it's removed from the manual, people aren't going to assume that it doesn't work. They're going to hear about it, and assume it's undocumented, as we've got a few "undocumented" features still. |
16:38:47 | Llorean | GodEater: A note should be put to say it's non-working, if anything. |
16:39:10 | GodEater | either of those seems better than having something there saying it works when it doesn't |
16:41:51 | Llorean | I just don't like the idea of removing functions of the core from the manual just because they aren't implemented yet. A note, yes, a removal no. |
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16:42:14 | GodEater | I could have sworn the GB bootloader included a dual boot feature too, and the manual even says it does. It doesn't say how you access this feature though. |
16:42:49 | GodEater | although the wiki page says the opposite. |
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16:43:18 | kkurbjun | GodEater, you can boot back to the original firmware with the current bootloader |
16:43:25 | kkurbjun | but it's only one direction |
16:43:42 | GodEater | kkurbjun: you mean the feature which renames the .ORIG file ? |
16:43:52 | GodEater | I thought there was a proper dual boot function. |
16:43:53 | kkurbjun | it just copies the OF FQIMG01.dat back over |
16:44:03 | kkurbjun | no, no porper dual boot feature |
16:44:08 | kkurbjun | proper that is |
16:44:42 | Llorean | GodEater: If you try the actual dual boot function, it tells you that it's not working. |
16:44:49 | Llorean | If I recall |
16:45:27 | GodEater | if I could find where it's documented, I'd do that. |
16:45:29 | GodEater | but I can't |
16:45:48 | kkurbjun | I don't think there is any code for dualboot.. least not that I recall |
16:45:53 | GodEater | ah |
16:45:56 | GodEater | hold the A button |
16:46:06 | GodEater | it says "loading original firmware" |
16:46:12 | GodEater | and then proceeds to boot rockbox ;) |
16:46:15 | markun | there have been some experiments to load the OF, but we didn't try very hard |
16:46:39 | GodEater | well, again, I'd say that's something which should at least be highlighted in the manual then |
16:46:41 | GodEater | if not removed |
16:46:56 | GodEater | the wiki is clearly correct |
16:46:57 | kkurbjun | Godeater, I've also been working on rolo, and I have it working intermittently, it's just not consistent yet |
16:47:02 | markun | GodEater: as usual: write a patch :) |
16:47:04 | GodEater | cool |
16:47:23 | GodEater | <mutter>can't stand TeX</mutter> |
16:48:11 | GodEater | too tempted to write "Llorean thinks RoLo should stay here even though it doesn't work yet" too at the moment :) |
16:48:33 | Llorean | GodEater: Why is removing it better than adding a clear note that it doesn't work yet? |
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16:49:06 | * | petur suddenly gets reminded of the remaining time discussion |
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16:49:28 | GodEater | Llorean: no no, I agree with you now - your logic is flawless as ever. |
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16:49:46 | GodEater | I'm trying to not be a sore loser |
16:49:53 | Llorean | Oh, that's fine then |
16:50:00 | Llorean | I'm fine with soreness in my direction, as long as I get my way. :-P |
16:50:46 | GodEater | I don't get that section of the manual though (in TeX form). We have a bunch of options there that don't appear to do anything for specific players. |
16:51:07 | GodEater | oh no, I see, it's the firmware name |
16:56:39 | austriancoder | petur: how will me manage the soc thing? |
16:56:58 | petur | me? |
16:58:21 | austriancoder | oh.. typo we |
16:58:26 | petur | I guess first make a list of possible stacks to use with pro and con and then pick one. |
16:59:21 | petur | best to make a wiki page for that |
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17:00:06 | Febs | Does the Windows installer for the Archos platforms install version 2.5 only? |
17:00:41 | austriancoder | petur: sounds good... |
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17:01:55 | petur | austriancoder: I have no time this week and am offline this weekend, but next week I'll have a look at putting up a 'plan' ;) soc official start is 28 may iirc |
17:03:17 | austriancoder | petur: *g* take it easy |
17:03:47 | Llorean | Febs: I believe so |
17:03:54 | Llorean | Febs: It's been superceded by RBUtil, or will be. |
17:04:11 | Llorean | Or seded. |
17:04:16 | Llorean | Whatever, replaced |
17:04:19 | Febs | That's what I thought. So the section in the manual about using the Windows installer should be removed. |
17:04:26 | Llorean | Aye |
17:07:21 | * | Febs realizes that the entire installation chapter basically needs to be rewritten. |
17:08:54 | Llorean | =/ |
17:09:50 | Febs | Ultimately, that's a good thing because the way it is structured now (from a TeX perspective) is fairly convoluted. |
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17:13:46 | austriancoder | time to go... see ya |
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17:53:20 | H10_007quick | barrywardell: I've been meaning to ask, is there any functional change for us H10 users, now that we have a rockbox.mi4 rather than rockbox.h10 ? |
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17:53:57 | H10_007quick | lol |
17:54:08 | H10_007quick | try again latter |
17:55:07 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Shouldn't be. |
17:55:53 | H10_007quick | one more Question, does it default to loading the .mi4 file rather than the .h10 file or do we all need to delete our .h10 files? |
17:56:24 | Llorean | If you've got a new enough bootloader it should default to the mi4 |
17:56:28 | Llorean | But you should delete the .h10 anyway |
17:56:35 | H10_007quick | sounds good |
17:56:38 | H10_007quick | thanks |
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18:01:09 | dionoea | linuxstb, jhMikeS : how many bytes would you consider to be a maximum for the overlay buffer system? I'm currently using 1 screen sized buffer ... but that's suboptimal. Best solution would be to have 1 buffer for each active overlay item (with a malloc mechanism). |
18:01:25 | dionoea | But i'm kind of unsure about the max amount that i can take from the file read buffer |
18:01:41 | dionoea | (or if i can allocate data from the mpeg2dec buffer system) |
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18:02:44 | amiconn | urgh, malloc |
18:03:25 | dionoea | overlay pictures can have variable sizes |
18:03:34 | dionoea | so either we have a bunch of full screen sized buffers to use ... or we try to optimise memory usage a bit |
18:04:13 | dionoea | each pic needs 1.5*screensize bytes if we want fullscreen buffers |
18:04:28 | Llorean | Why do you need to allow more than one active overlay item? |
18:05:00 | dionoea | like you can have subs, scrollbar, other OSD info |
18:05:02 | markun | dionoea: the original plan me and jhMikeS had was to just use the framebuffer with an extra 1 byte per pixel mask |
18:05:22 | Llorean | dionoea: But you aren't obligated to allow all those at once. |
18:05:39 | Llorean | markun: Subs almost require two colors to be readable. |
18:06:02 | markun | Llorean: so? the framebuffer is RGB565... |
18:06:06 | markun | should be enough colours |
18:06:08 | dionoea | Llorean: that's what i was doing before ... but they told me to implement a whole overlay framework |
18:06:08 | Llorean | markun: Sorry, I read "1 bit per pixel" |
18:06:15 | dionoea | markun: you render in y (it's easier) |
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18:06:43 | markun | dionoea: easier, but not so flexible |
18:07:29 | dionoea | why? If you're rendering the full video yuv buffer to the screen and you don't have to render another time for the overlay it's more efficient |
18:07:30 | markun | see you guys later |
18:08:04 | markun | dionoea: you can do the combining in the yuv2rgb code |
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19:44:49 | Taras | greetings |
19:45:36 | Taras | got a little problem with rockbox and sansa. the rockbox-folder must be ".rockbox" but i'm not able to create a folder beginning with a "." (sorry for bad englisch) |
19:45:39 | Taras | *english |
19:45:46 | Llorean | You don't create it. |
19:45:48 | Llorean | It comes in the zip |
19:46:23 | Taras | oh boy, forget it, i'm to dumb *lol* ya, found my mistake |
19:46:39 | Taras | thank you |
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19:47:33 | Taras | oh |
19:47:42 | Taras | a clean and simple interface *g* |
19:48:27 | Taras | and first crash |
19:49:22 | Taras | um, what do to now |
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19:50:36 | Taras | ah |
19:50:39 | Taras | now it works |
19:50:47 | Taras | love you guys for doin this |
19:51:43 | Taras | mhj but not stable |
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19:56:56 | Llorean | It's in a very early state on the Sansa, over all. |
19:57:10 | Taras | yeha but looks good |
19:57:20 | Taras | hm but my pc can't find the sansa yet |
19:57:39 | Llorean | You have to reboot into the original firmware |
19:58:03 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't have USB support on Sansa yet, the icon just means we've detected that it's plugged in. |
19:58:43 | Taras | ah |
19:58:46 | Taras | good to know |
19:59:10 | Taras | but hm one litte question :D |
19:59:17 | Taras | how do play music? can't find the option |
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20:00:51 | Llorean | I suggest you look into the manual |
20:00:56 | Llorean | You just click on songs. |
20:01:13 | Taras | mh, there are NO songs |
20:01:23 | Taras | but i didn't delete the songs |
20:01:35 | Llorean | Well, the normal MUSIC folder the sansa uses is hidden |
20:01:50 | Llorean | So set the file view to show all instead of just supported. |
20:02:02 | Llorean | Or have the database search them out and index them if you want to use the database features |
20:02:44 | Taras | oh |
20:03:02 | Taras | oh sorry everytime i clicked on database i clicked twice without reading so he aborted |
20:06:37 | Taras | oh erm, one litte question? |
20:06:48 | Llorean | Yes? |
20:07:04 | Taras | how can i play all songs? |
20:07:52 | Llorean | Assuming all your songs are say, in the MUSIC folder, just insert that folder into a playlist |
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20:20:33 | Taras | ya, thank your for your helo |
20:20:35 | Taras | *tahnk yoz |
20:20:36 | Taras | you |
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20:47:44 | webguest96 | inned help installing rockbox.i'm in my toshiba gigabeat , drive I , looking at the files and I can't find the root file. i enabled "show hidden files " but I still can't see it |
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20:53:02 | toffe82 | did you begin the install ? or just starting and try to find the fwimg01.dat ? |
20:55:17 | Llorean | He's gone. |
20:55:26 | Llorean | Only stuck around 2 minutes. |
20:58:44 | * | amiconn just calculated that 1 giga-beat will be around 21 years with typical music ;) |
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21:02:04 | Llorean | Hahaha |
21:02:44 | Llorean | What did you pick as a typical BPM then? |
21:03:13 | amiconn | 90 |
21:03:46 | preglow | Llorean: faad can already do sbr and ps, afaik |
21:03:58 | Llorean | preglow: I thought faad wasn't GPL compatible |
21:04:02 | Llorean | Or was that faac? |
21:04:05 | * | Llorean gets those confused. |
21:04:12 | preglow | well, faad is in our tree... |
21:04:24 | preglow | i don't think it's gpl compatible any more |
21:04:26 | preglow | but our version is |
21:04:28 | Llorean | faad/faac/whatever went through a license change. |
21:04:34 | Llorean | Yeah, I think the HE support is post-that though. |
21:04:41 | preglow | don't think so |
21:04:59 | preglow | tons of sbr files in our tree |
21:05:02 | Llorean | Ah, well then I wrote that response on a wrong assumption. I knew about the HE, but remembered reading it came after the license change. |
21:05:05 | preglow | also several ps files |
21:05:36 | preglow | anywho, it needs _tons_ of optimising before it can be used |
21:05:42 | preglow | that's for sure |
21:05:56 | elinenbe_ | amiconn: amiconn just calculated that 1 giga-beat will be around 21 years with typical music ;) ?? what does that mean? |
21:06:23 | Llorean | I read that HE-AAC is expected to require ~67mhz ARM processor. I can't remember which ARM type they mentioned though |
21:06:39 | Llorean | elinenbe_: Using standard prefixes, 1,000,000,000 beats. |
21:07:06 | elinenbe_ | ah... okay. |
21:07:09 | preglow | Llorean: my estimation is that assumes pretty kickass optimised code |
21:08:19 | Llorean | preglow: I think it was also a faster/more modern ARM than our iPods are. |
21:10:38 | Llorean | amiconn: If my math is right, the Gigabeat is then really only holding about 3.5 megabeats. |
21:10:45 | Llorean | The F40 model, at least |
21:10:54 | hcs | how disappointing |
21:11:04 | Llorean | I call marketing hijinks! |
21:11:14 | amiconn | Depends on the format... |
21:11:31 | Llorean | This was assuming approximately 1 megabyte per minute of audio. |
21:11:40 | amiconn | ah |
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21:12:08 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: What about your SID collection? |
21:12:23 | Llorean | Ah, well with SID I think I can safely assume it reaches many many gigabeats. |
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21:27:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Regarding your remark concerning sscanf yesterday - it might be useful to put this in the core, depending on whether it could be used in places where we currently parse data "by hand" |
21:27:43 | amiconn | I tried compiling it for sh1; the .o file contained 884 bytes of code, which can be reduced to 810 bytes when put in the core |
21:28:37 | amiconn | (by using the core ctype mechanism instead of the manual range checking) |
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21:31:16 | linuxstb_ | Sounds good. |
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21:35:02 | dionoea | linuxstb_: is mpegplayer supposed to work in the sim? |
21:35:19 | Llorean | I think it's broken right now |
21:35:29 | Llorean | There's I think a bug report on it. |
21:36:13 | dionoea | ah ok, i wanted to debug my changes runing gdb but couldn't get it to launch in the sim |
21:36:30 | dionoea | segfaults due to a NULL pointer dereferencing in the main loop |
21:37:17 | * | linuxstb looks towards jhMikeS |
21:38:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: He said in a comment on the tracker it should be fixed by the time he's done with something. |
21:38:33 | dionoea | I could try a clean build and see if it still segfaults ... but i'm lazy :) |
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21:38:43 | Llorean | dionoea: No, that's the problem that was discussed. |
21:38:49 | dionoea | ok |
21:40:05 | * | jhMikeS should close that one |
21:40:50 | dionoea | I was worried that i'd corrupted the memory somehow |
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21:45:14 | toffe82 | Llorean: about HE-AAC for arm https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/2005/aacfixptdec , you ave the average cpu usage |
21:47:34 | Llorean | toffe82: That looks similar or maybe the same as what I saw. |
21:48:49 | Nico_P | amiconn: the WPS parser could probably use sscanf |
21:54:07 | Nico_P | amiconn: I did even consider writing something similar or adding it to the core |
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21:56:39 | preglow | argh, if only that decoder could be used :// |
21:56:47 | dionoea | jhMikeS: congrats on the new frameskipping algo. It's much better than before |
21:57:10 | mirak | hellow |
21:57:29 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I'm sure ffmpeg will get there eventually.... |
21:57:43 | preglow | linuxstb_: well, let's hope so |
21:57:48 | amiconn | Nico_P: Do you think our limited sscanf is enough? |
21:58:05 | * | amiconn just had a look at a full fledged implementation |
21:58:20 | Taras | wuarg harddisk seems to be broken |
21:58:37 | amiconn | It's huge, and still needs external functions |
21:58:38 | Nico_P | amiconn: what can it do ? |
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21:59:54 | Nico_P | amiconn: I have to leave but I'll be back later this evening and I'll read the backlogs |
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22:03:26 | Taras | mh just for summing up: i'm not able to connect to my sansa to my computer with rockbox, e.g. for adding songs? |
22:03:32 | Taras | *- connect + link |
22:04:34 | Bagder | Taras: boot the OF for that |
22:05:08 | Taras | OF? |
22:05:14 | Bagder | original firmware |
22:05:16 | Taras | ah |
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22:05:44 | Taras | mh am i allowed to ask how to do this? |
22:06:01 | Bagder | it is mentioned in the manual... |
22:06:18 | Bagder | pressing left when starting, iirc |
22:06:52 | Taras | oh |
22:07:19 | preglow | the new frame skipping code is nice indeed |
22:07:37 | Llorean | Taras: An even easier method is to turn off the player, then plug in the USB cable. |
22:07:51 | Taras | i'm so sorry for my bad english and my questions >.< a bit embarissing for me, thanks for all the help |
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22:11:10 | jhMikeS | dionoea: thanks, it does do a much smoother job of it :) |
22:11:33 | dionoea | except during the first 30s of playback :) |
22:11:37 | dionoea | but that's normal i guess |
22:11:41 | jhMikeS | 30s? |
22:11:47 | dionoea | well the begining |
22:11:51 | jhMikeS | in the sim? |
22:11:53 | preglow | seems nice all the time here |
22:12:00 | Llorean | The initial buffering is kinda rocky |
22:12:02 | dionoea | it's kind of skippy using ED 16:9 on the ipod video |
22:12:05 | Llorean | On some players, at least. |
22:12:10 | dionoea | yeah, like Llorean says |
22:12:15 | dionoea | but after a while i gets better |
22:12:19 | dionoea | way better |
22:12:21 | jhMikeS | buffering will make it skip more |
22:12:29 | dionoea | (and you win like 2 or 3 fps on the ipod 5g) |
22:13:22 | jhMikeS | I do have some videos that underrun the buffer...including the big elephants dream near the end. Just doubling the low watermark as a test fixes it. |
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22:14:06 | Llorean | On what player? |
22:14:10 | jhMikeS | gigabeat |
22:16:51 | Llorean | Last 320x240 video I checked with didn't drop a single frame, but it was only 600kbps. |
22:16:53 | jhMikeS | it usually gets the audio stream first since it has to skip over more packets |
22:18:37 | jhMikeS | I'll double super verify this though |
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22:32:01 | amiconn | bah |
22:32:15 | * | amiconn forgot to mention the fixed fs# in the commit msg |
22:32:26 | dionoea | well you can fix it |
22:32:36 | dionoea | (if it's enabled in the server's pre commit hooks) |
22:32:59 | amiconn | It still isn't afaik |
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22:33:18 | dionoea | ah. |
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22:34:05 | AceNik | hey i have a problem any playlist made in rockbox or windows with UTF-8 encodin causes the Dr.Watson debugger to get active even if a click is made ont he file , & options are debug or close explorer |
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22:47:38 | dionoea | hum, what unit does rb->filesize( ) return the size in ? |
22:48:10 | dionoea | sizeof(int) ? |
22:48:14 | hcs | degrees of bigness? |
22:48:28 | dionoea | ?!? |
22:50:01 | Llorean | Units of non-zeroness. |
22:50:37 | jhMikeS | hrm...turning off disk spindown stops the glitch cause I think there aren't enough unit of bigness left |
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22:57:48 | jhMikeS | ...and not sleeping the buffer after a file queue wrap seems to fix it...not a size problem but a problem where the stream needs wrapped data but it's not there. |
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23:19:06 | NET||abuse | hmm, this isn't promisiing http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
23:20:34 | dionoea | did you look at the manual ? |
23:20:46 | dionoea | (sorry if the question sounds obvious) |
23:20:52 | NET||abuse | reading it now.. just there's no link to the manual or even the linux sections on that page |
23:21:13 | dionoea | It's the 4th link in the left hand menu on the website |
23:21:14 | NET||abuse | would be nice to have a link :) |
23:21:45 | NET||abuse | well this is hypertext, markup the content of that page ;) |
23:21:55 | NET||abuse | just being very particular |
23:22:09 | NET||abuse | never mind me... i'm dying to get into this |
23:22:24 | NET||abuse | want my ol' ipod mini to run on this for fun |
23:23:04 | dionoea | linuxstb, jhMikeS : would anyone of you be available to review a subs + overlay in mpegplayer patch? |
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23:24:36 | jhMikeS | dionoea: sure, gimme a minute |
23:24:41 | dionoea | dionoea/mpegplayer.subtitles-and-overlay.patch">http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/mpegplayer.subtitles-and-overlay.patch |
23:25:29 | dionoea | It's currently blending in the video buffer, but that could easily be changed to blending in the yuvrenderwhateveritscalled function (by someone who knows a decent amount of assembler) |
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23:26:09 | dionoea | linuxstb: btw, i fixed the subs code so the number of chars in the timestamp numbers doesn't matter anymore |
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23:29:44 | jhMikeS | really, I see no need for even a single extra buffer to do this |
23:30:18 | dionoea | well people wanted to have a mask buffer to prevent rendering the text at every frame displayed |
23:30:23 | dionoea | (which doesn't sound stupid) |
23:30:29 | jhMikeS | with a selectable chroma key and using the lcd_framebuffer and an extension to lcd_yuv_blit |
23:30:36 | jhMikeS | it wouldn't |
23:30:53 | jhMikeS | you'd only draw the changes in lcd_framebuffer |
23:31:41 | jhMikeS | the yuv function would just be chroma keyed to show the video or what's behind it |
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23:32:09 | webguest52 | hi! greets to all |
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23:32:42 | dionoea | That doesn't make it possible to have more than 1 color in the overlay (or stuff like alpha blending). Altough i have to agree that it should be faster |
23:32:48 | jhMikeS | and as a perk, the overlay could arbitrarilty intersect the video rectange and outside it |
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23:33:00 | jhMikeS | it would be full color |
23:34:05 | dionoea | well you wouldn't be able to have multiple colors at the same time with a chroma key (unless i missunderstood what you meant) |
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23:34:23 | petur | jhMikeS: re your h1x0 spdif recording fix, do I understand correctly that there wasn't a bug? |
23:34:28 | jhMikeS | True, no alpha...but that only needs one extra buffer |
23:34:53 | Llorean | Alpha blending seems like overkill. |
23:35:05 | jhMikeS | petur: Just me being the most absent minded person around here as usual...helped along by the pseudoephedrine :P |
23:35:25 | dionoea | jhMikeS: the alpha mask would need screensize bytes right ? |
23:35:25 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I agree on that for the overlay |
23:35:35 | jhMikeS | no |
23:35:39 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well that's the context I meant it in. :) |
23:36:12 | jhMikeS | vid_w*vid_h bytes |
23:36:17 | Llorean | I'll be happy as long as the overlay meets the minimum of two colors. |
23:36:32 | * | amiconn wonders how all this hyper-special overlay stuff would work on greyscale |
23:36:39 | jhMikeS | It would meet 16 bit colors by what I've got in mind |
23:36:59 | jhMikeS | And take almost no additional CPU |
23:38:09 | Llorean | amiconn: I think if you're trying to use mpegplayer on greyscale, you've got more problems than simply missing subtitles. ;) |
23:38:19 | amiconn | ?? |
23:38:40 | Llorean | Well isn't the framerate pretty much unwatchable? |
23:39:23 | amiconn | It is on all my targets anyway |
23:39:40 | amiconn | (except that I couldn't test mini g2 yet - linuxstb?) |
23:39:55 | Llorean | But other than the poor performance, why couldn't a version of the overlay be adapted to greyscale targets? |
23:40:51 | amiconn | In fact I still don't see the need for a true overlay. A simple display that appears when seeking or changing volume would be enough imo |
23:41:09 | jhMikeS | dionoea: what I'm thinking about requires a chroma key mode to be added to lcd_yuv_blit when it writes from lcd_framebuffer is the key doesn't match |
23:41:21 | jhMikeS | s/is/if |
23:41:23 | amiconn | But then I'm not really a video user anyway. My only interest in this is to show that it's possible |
23:41:55 | NET||abuse | hmm, can't get my ipod to go into disk mode.. i try the reset and select+play immediately after, no joy,, however i'm wondering.. is there an issue with my battery... how can i health check the battery of th ipod? |
23:42:02 | NET||abuse | this is an ipod mini from bout 3 years back |
23:42:14 | Llorean | NET||abuse: Have you ever replaced the battery? |
23:42:21 | jhMikeS | and it can work with both the port type lcds and the dma type |
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23:42:39 | amiconn | (and atm it's barely possible, but not really usable, unlike rvf, due to the poor framerates) |
23:42:41 | NET||abuse | nope, never replaced battery... |
23:43:05 | Llorean | NET||abuse: Then unless you live in a ridiculously cold environment, your battery should not be healthy. |
23:44:16 | NET||abuse | wait think i gottit.. had to do it a few times :) though yeh, i do still think my battery is foo'd |
23:44:18 | * | jhMikeS thinks framerates can improve substantally throughout |
23:44:35 | NET||abuse | got into the playlist when i was disconnected there for a second |
23:44:35 | * | amiconn wonders whether mirak will fix his patch to only contain relevant stuff one day |
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23:45:37 | jhMikeS | if mirak doesn't get to it, I will |
23:45:59 | amiconn | A while ago I tried to find the relevant parts, but failed |
23:46:12 | amiconn | Didn't try again since |
23:46:59 | jhMikeS | I've never really looked but I plan on doing a good lookover and get rid of irrelevant parts of libmpeg2. the CPU detection is gone which flattened it out a bit. |
23:47:05 | NET||abuse | got disk mode ;) yay |
23:47:31 | NET||abuse | hmm, not automounting.. edgy should just od it no? |
23:47:39 | NET||abuse | s/od/do/ |
23:48:16 | jhMikeS | right now rebuffering isn't sophisticated enough though. the audio skips so much stuff that it drops really low while the disk spins up. |
23:48:27 | NET||abuse | hmm, says "do no disconnect" and it's charging... but not mounting up yet. |
23:49:07 | jhMikeS | and under no conditions should a simple buffer underrun cause a stream to die |
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23:49:56 | NET||abuse | hmm,,, i have 4 sata ports on my mobo,, what should the usb port my ipod is on be shown as? |
23:50:14 | NET||abuse | ls /dev | grep sd shows sda1/2/5/6 |
23:51:53 | pixelma | Llorean: I wouldn't say it's unwatchable - not enjoyable, surely a bit skippy but a lot smoother than I last tried... that is with the ED 160-widescreen version off the download area on my M5 |
23:52:07 | jhMikeS | really, the best way to handling things is have to stream buffers and demux during disk reads |
23:52:49 | linuxstb_ | I thought about that, but how do you split the buffer? |
23:52:54 | pixelma | is there any way to find out the fps? |
23:53:16 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: No, that's broken on greyscale at the moment. |
23:53:18 | Llorean | pixelma: Hit the menu button, disable frameskip and limit framerate, and enable the FPS display |
23:53:23 | Llorean | Oh, not on grayscale. =/ |
23:54:56 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/144x112.zip |
23:55:38 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: what do you mean? |
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23:55:56 | Saureus | hey mates, I have a quick question |
23:56:03 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: IIUC, you're suggesting separate buffers for compressed audio and video? |
23:56:12 | mirak | amiconn: what is not relevant in it ? |
23:56:17 | jhMikeS | linuxstb:_ yes |
23:56:57 | amiconn_ | mirak: If I knew exactly, I would fix it. But it looks like the same functions are defined in multiple ways |
23:57:02 | jhMikeS | it would keep the streams from colliding too |
23:57:02 | linuxstb_ | So how do you split the main buffer into two? You don't know the relative average bitrates. |
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23:57:43 | Saureus | well, if anyone can tell me whether or not rockbox will help my abhorrent battery life, it would be much appreciated |
23:58:06 | mirak | amiconn_: those not used are not active with ifdef |
23:58:40 | jhMikeS | I was thinking about that...I suppose for the audio it would be similar to how it would be done for any mpeg audio |
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23:58:53 | jhMikeS | if we know that, what's left is everything else |
23:58:59 | dionoea | ouh...looks even better with shading arround the text. |