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#rockbox log for 2007-04-24

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00:24:37LeetlandonHey, I got a error trying to make a zip. "beep, no dir to copy wps from"
00:26:45chrisjs169I got that to the past few days, but it compiles fine (for me anyways)
00:26:52chrisjs169*too
00:27:42LeetlandonOkay.
00:27:44LeetlandonThanks.
00:29:05chrisjs169all the default WPS's are there, so I'm guessing it's a bug (?)
00:31:33Nico_PBagder: around ?
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00:43:54chrisjs1692 hours ago he was
00:44:58chrisjs169whois says he's been idle 1 hour 56 mins
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00:46:36amiconnjhMikeS: ping...
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00:54:48Leetlandon1 out of 1 hunk failed −− saving rejects to file rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c.rej
00:55:20Leetlandon(sansa)
00:56:44chrisjs169wow, i was just fiddling around with that patch :P
00:57:07LeetlandonHow do I get it working?
00:57:09chrisjs169it's actually not a patch....the 'patcher' included the whole modified file, so you need to cp it to apps/plugins/doom
00:57:42chrisjs169afaik, you may want to read the first few lines of the file, just in case i was wrong
00:58:04Leetlandon−−- rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c2006-12-13 05:44:17.000000000 +0100
00:58:05Leetlandon+++ rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c2006-12-21 23:59:21.859375000 +0100
00:58:05Leetlandon@@ -178,15 +178,15 @@
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00:58:26chrisjs169ok, hold on
00:58:38robHey, can some one awsner a question
00:58:47LeetlandonYep?
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00:59:26robI was woundering, If i install rock box then will it delet everything on my ipod and or also make it imposible for me to get back to the normal ipod menu?
00:59:34LeetlandonNope.
00:59:36rob*delete
00:59:57LeetlandonYou install it, and it makes a folder and a file that makes it boot it.
00:59:57robSo i can choose to boot rock box or normal ipod
01:00
01:00:16LeetlandonTo boot into the normal mode you just hold << right after you power on.
01:00:20LeetlandonYep.
01:00:29robkk
01:00:42joshinAccording to the wiki for the e2xx series, someone is working on getting the FM radio working but it doesn't say who. Is it a secret? :)
01:00:58robAlso for the games can it suport emulators and roms?
01:01:09joshinThat's what I'd be interested in poking at but don't want to start working on it if it is almost done.
01:01:22chrisjs169joshin: I guess so :)
01:01:42chrisjs169hmm
01:02:00chrisjs169....if only the e200 build would compile for me.....
01:02:08joshinchrisjs169: so you're the volunteer? Or did everyone take a step back when the devs were lined up so that you'd get stuck with it
01:02:30LeetlandonHmm?
01:02:38chrisjs169joshin: i don't program :P
01:03:11chrisjs169i originally came here trying to figure out why this compile isn't working, but ended up forgetting about it
01:03:37joshinAah. You were referring to the 'secret' part and not admitting that you were working on getting the tuner working. Stupid sleep adled brain.
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01:03:47LeetlandonBut how do i do this damn patch!?
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01:03:59robdo i need to download the rock box player or installer?
01:04:03joshinchrisjs169: so what's your compile issue? It was super easy to build.
01:04:08LeetlandonFollow the instructions.
01:04:19pixelmain the manual
01:04:22joshinLeetlandon: from what directory are you trying to apply the patch
01:04:24robk
01:04:41Leetlandonapps/plugin/doom/
01:04:42chrisjs169joshin: i've compiled it about a dozen times properly, im just trying to compile it a certain way, which doesn't seem to work
01:06:23robthere are 2 difreent downlaods for the 30 g, there is a 512 and a 2048-byte sectors, witch one do i need to downlaod or does it matter?
01:06:51LeetlandonTrying to do this patch
01:06:51Leetlandonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6467
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01:07:38chrisjs169for my compile issue, i know it's my fault, because when i download and compile all of it myself, it's fine, but when i start modifying files it messes up
01:08:07joshinLeetlandon: what patch command are you running?
01:08:18LeetlandonCygwin
01:08:33joshinAnd with what flags?
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01:08:48LeetlandonWhats that?
01:09:40pixelmarob: it depends on whether you have an older Ipod video, or a new one (so-called 5.5 generation). Those were released in late last summer I believe (though I'm no Ipod expert)
01:10:49LeetlandonWhats flags?
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01:12:35linuxstb_rob: Do you have a Mac-formatted ipod?
01:13:44robno windows
01:13:45LeetlandonJoshin?
01:13:55robokay i got rock box on my ipod now
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01:15:02LeetlandonCannot find file to patch at input line 3
01:15:30***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:15:41robhow do i load normal ipod instead of rockbox?
01:15:50Leetlandonhold << when you boot
01:16:19linuxstbrob: Turn the hold-switch on as soon as you see the apple logo (or before)
01:16:41LeetlandonOh.
01:16:49roboh sweet
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01:17:03LeetlandonLinuxstb, can you help me?
01:17:18robI cnat seem to get idoom to work now
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01:17:24linuxstbLeetlandon: Use patch -p1
01:17:34chrisjs169hmm...make error 127...
01:17:36robwhere is that at?
01:17:38leftrightthe H120/140 link in the Current Build page returns error 404
01:17:55robwhere do i get the patch
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01:18:15joshinLeetlandon: sorry, was busy with the kids
01:18:19chrisjs169leftright: i believe they're making new build
01:18:20chrisjs169s
01:18:20joshinOops
01:18:31linuxstbleftright: I've just tried it and it works fine - http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-h120/rockbox.zip
01:18:46leftrightthanks, I'll try that
01:18:58robwhere do i place the patch file?
01:19:09robto get idoom to work
01:19:29amiconnleftright: If a build is currently running, not all download links work. You can see that if you refresh the page, the link is gone then
01:19:46amiconnIt will be back after a few minutes, depending on how long the build takes
01:19:54chrisjs169usually takes around 6 mins or so
01:20:13*amiconn just committed an AIFF fix, that's why a build was running :)
01:20:22chrisjs169all except source code is up
01:20:36robi_video patch, is that what i need to get idoom to work?
01:20:40leftrightaha, thanks amiconn, bad timing on my behalf
01:21:37pixelmarob: I believe idoom is part of the ipodlinux project. If you are interested in rockbox's implementation I suggest reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDOom?topic=%5EPluginDoom
01:22:19linuxstbrob: And no, you don't need i_video.patch
01:23:32robk
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01:24:28pixelmasorry for the slightly messed up link but it still works correctly
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01:26:29robdo i need more then one .wad file?
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01:27:07chrisjs169yay, sansa compiles correctly now....guess it helps if $PATH is set correctly :P
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01:29:38robI go to the plugins in rock box and i click boom and i get an arror, im just woundering if i need more then one .wad file to run it, because i made a new folder and i added the .wad file it had (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDOom?topic=%5EPluginDoom)
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01:30:32amiconnbarrywardell: ATA controller in the Sansa? ;)
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01:31:20barrywardellwell, it's still called ata-e200.c, but I guess that's a bit of a misnomer :P
01:32:43barrywardellI was thinking it would be worth checking if those changes would help the ipod's battery consumption too
01:33:03barrywardellit would be a good test for someone with an ipod to do
01:33:51amiconnLCD controller shutdown makes no sense iiuc
01:34:11amiconnOn the greyscale ipods anyway, and people say the 5G LCD is readable w/o backlight
01:34:49robI cant get doom to work what the fuck like im so confused im looking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDOom?topic=%5EPluginDoom i made the new folder for doom and i added the .wad file it has here to dowload
01:34:52barrywardellbut in the FS task, toni claims it saves 12mA. I think that makes it worthwhile
01:34:54roband i get a plugin error
01:35:13*amiconn wonders whether the ATA controller actually enables the controller, or whether it's in fact ATA power...
01:35:35amiconn12mA just for the lcd controller sounds wrong...
01:36:19barrywardellthat's what he claims anyway. I haven't done measurements myself
01:36:49chrisjs169what's up with the source build? it's been almost 20 mins now, and it hasn't appeared on the builds page
01:37:07chrisjs169oh wait
01:37:20chrisjs169new build...
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01:37:29*chrisjs169 waits a few mins
01:38:18chrisjs169yay, it's up :P
01:38:25chrisjs169seems like both times i had missed it
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01:40:30*Nico_P is reading about branches in SVN... very interesting
01:40:46Nico_Pshouldn't we use them more ?
01:43:13robSome one help please, i cant get doom to work, like how many .wad files am i supose to have? like i falled the shit ass instrcutions made a fold in the .rockbox fold like it said i put the wad files that i could actuly find, i had the .wad it says i need to have, hell i added the freedoom wads, I CANT GET IT TO WORK!
01:43:48Nico_Prob: create a "doom" folder in the ".rockbox" folder and then put the .wad files in it
01:43:58robthats what i did
01:44:06Nico_Pand then what did you do ?
01:44:14kkurbjunrob, did you try the files here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras
01:44:20robi keap on getting a plugin error
01:44:26kkurbjunand just extract the 6.6mb zip to your player
01:44:46robk
01:45:38*leftright suggests that doom be removed from the plugins :>
01:46:20*kkurbjun doesn't
01:46:25rob*listens to lefts surgestion
01:46:51robmoment of truth
01:47:45robso far so good
01:47:48CtcpVersion from chrisjs169!n=jack@unaffiliated/chrisjs169
01:48:34kkurbjunrob, is is working now?
01:49:58robyah it worksyah
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01:50:06robman im bad at this game XD lol
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01:50:21kkurbjunrob, where were you having trouble with the directions?
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01:50:59robi wasnt, i keapt on getting a plugin error
01:51:19kkurbjunthat's because the files were not in the proper place
01:51:35robi made a new folder called doom in the .rockbox folder
01:51:50kkurbjunlook at the zip file and see the layout, let me know what you were doing different
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01:51:57kkurbjunthe last zip you downloaded
01:52:01robthere was a problem with the .wads i had im gusseing
01:52:14kkurbjunI'd like to make the directions easier if possible
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01:52:29kkurbjundid you get the wads from the wiki page?
01:52:34robthe last zip i downloaded i copied the files into the doom folder i allready made then it worked
01:53:33jhMikeSamiconn: gnip
01:53:58robcan you get game boy games on your ipod with rock box?
01:54:03pixelmajhMikeS: case closed - see recent commits ;)
01:54:19jhMikeSok, I've just been busy
01:55:00joshinAccording to the wiki for the e2xx series, someone is working on getting the FM radio working but it doesn't say who. Is it a secret? :)
01:55:05joshinThat's what I'd be interested in poking at but don't want to start working on it if it is almost done.
01:55:11kkurbjunrob, yes you just have to have a rom image and you simply "open" it by selecting in in the file list
01:55:55robso by rom image that really means? (sorry im alittle noobish ^^;)
01:56:39barrywardelljoshin: I don't think it's almost done. poke away!
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01:57:03kkurbjuna .gb or .gbc file
01:57:06LeetlandonHey, im having trouble doing a batch
01:58:41LeetlandonHunk #1 Failed at 178
01:58:44robso just get a gb or gbc and where do i need to put the file? like in a new directory
01:58:54kkurbjunrob, these are public domain roms for the gameboy, I have never tried them though so I don't know how well they work. http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=gb
01:59:02chrisjs169Leetlandon: what patch?
01:59:21LeetlandonDoom scroll wheel patch for sansa
01:59:23kkurbjunrob, you can put teh files wherever you want
01:59:48jhMikeSodd since apple's own docs say "For the Common Chunk, ckSize is always 18."
02:00
02:00:40roband it will still show up in the plugin section and playable
02:00:41kkurbjunrob, no
02:00:41jhMikeSguess some file writer mess it up, nothing wrong with tolerating that
02:00:41kkurbjunyou have to go to the file view and you can open them by selecting them
02:00:52robk
02:00:54kkurbjunlike you would select a jpg or mp3
02:01:10Leetlandonchris:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=sansa&type=4&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0
02:01:14pixelmajhMikeS: that was my file that it was tested with and it didn't work, somewhere amiconn found spec that said it's allowed to be more
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02:01:58chrisjs169Leetlandon: 6467 right?
02:02:04LeetlandonWhat?
02:02:10LeetlandonYeah.
02:04:12chrisjs169Leetlandon: dinner, brb =/
02:05:01pixelmajhMikeS: on a related note (though that might be a different part of the code) - the wrong file stopped the playlist here and it was not only skipped
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02:08:50jhMikeSpixelma: must be a newer one than I have then
02:09:51pixelmasorry, what exactly are you referring too?
02:10:24pixelma*to
02:10:30jhMikeSpixelma: the spec I have is 1.3 for AIFF which is way back in 1989 so they might have changed it :\
02:11:25jhMikeSpixelma: I'm not clear about what you mean about the playlist stop. You mean a wrong file stopped playback instead of skipping the file?
02:12:02pixelmayes, that's what I meant. A bit late here...
02:12:38jhMikeShmmm, can't say I've had anything to do at all with that code
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02:13:51pixelmathat was the "wrong" aiff file - so I don't know if it's a general problem or related to the codec
02:14:08jhMikeSwhich player?
02:14:12pixelmaM5
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02:14:59jhMikeSSW playback has never been very friendly when codecs fail
02:15:34pixelmathought so
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02:21:11DanielxuHello, everyone
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02:41:06*Nico_P just tested the robustness of the WPS parser with a fuzzer and is quite satisfied
02:41:24Rob24IS there any way to actuly save you game if you playing a game boy colour emulator?
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03:15:33***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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03:28:40LeetlandonIm having trouble patching
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03:33:48TrueJournalsLeetlandon: what kind of trouble?
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03:35:10LeetlandonHunk 178
03:36:02TrueJournalsLeetlandon: That doesn't really help... I'm guessing the patch isn't patching cleanly? Which patch is it?
03:36:36Leetlandonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6467
03:36:48LeetlandonDoom scroll wheel patch.
03:36:55LeetlandonSorry, had trouble finding the patch code.
03:37:21TrueJournalsProbably just out of date... you can try applying the failed hunks by yourself
03:37:35LeetlandonHow?
03:37:54TrueJournalsWell, first, I should ask if you applied any other patches before trying to apply that one?
03:38:11LeetlandonNope, this is the first one.
03:38:22LeetlandonIve read all the documentations.
03:38:46TrueJournalsOK... in that case... I'll tell you how to apply the failed hunks manually. It's useful to know if it ever happens with another patch
03:38:58LeetlandonThanks!
03:39:15TrueJournalsIt should give you a list of files that failed and say it created a reject file at (filename).rej
03:39:36LeetlandonYep
03:40:08TrueJournalssimple open that file, open the original file... now, this will show the code. In the .rej file, any line that does not have a + or - before it should be in the original code. Any line with a - should be removed from the original code, and any line with a + should be added to the original code
03:40:31TrueJournalsLook for a line before a + or -, and search for it in the original code, then, add or remove the lines accordingly
03:40:42LeetlandonOrigninal code?
03:40:53LeetlandonOh, the C file?
03:40:55TrueJournalsOriginal code = original file (filename)
03:40:58TrueJournalsyes
03:42:18TrueJournalsNow, once you apply it manually, it should compile and work fine... If it doesn't, then something major in the code was changed. Post on the tracker saying that the patch is out of date, and hopefully someone will fix it for you (but it might take a couple of days)
03:46:42LeetlandonShould I modify the original with the patch data?
03:47:14TrueJournalsyes, add the lines that start with + and remove the lines that start with -
03:47:22LeetlandonAlright, got it.
03:47:26LeetlandonThanks a bunch.
03:47:36TrueJournalsNo problem
03:47:38TrueJournalsgood luck
03:48:14LeetlandonAlright, compilling.
03:49:15LeetlandonWhere are you from?
03:50:14TrueJournalsChicago
03:50:23LeetlandonYou watching Heroes?
03:50:34TrueJournalsNah :-\
03:50:45TrueJournalsWell, I gotta go... good luck with the patches ;-)
03:50:45LeetlandonYou serious.
03:50:48LeetlandonThanks, bye.
03:50:51TrueJournalsand yes
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04:28:45chris2142sdHi, I don't see the nano 2g in the wiki, but I could have sworn I heard people talking about it working on here. whats up?
04:29:40hcsit has almost completely different hardware and will not be supported in the forseeable future
04:30:32chris2142sdhmm. That's strange. I guess I heard wrong.
04:30:58hcsmaybe I missed something?
04:31:55chris2142sdI probably just heard wrong. Was support for the nano 1g just added?
04:32:09hcsno
04:32:27chris2142sdhow about support for some other ipod incarnation?
04:32:31hcsnot sure when it was added, but it has been a few months
04:33:03hcssupport for some of the 5.5g ipod videos was making progress
04:33:03chris2142sdThis would have been sometime between now and the beginning of march. I could have just heard wrong too.
04:33:08scorchesupport for the 1st gen has been a little over a year, i suppose
04:33:26chris2142sdI guess I'll be buying a sansa then;)
04:39:19LeetlandonI just installed Rockbox on my sansa yesterday, and I think its the greatest, highly recommended.
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04:52:44LeetlandonHow do I use rdftobinary.c ?
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04:58:33LeetlandonWhen I run Rdf2binary it says Some Files could no be found.?
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05:10:23aliask|uniLeetlandon: You need a perl interpreter.
05:10:41aliask|uniOn windows you might try activeperl
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05:39:46hcshi, I'm working on a presentation I'm supposed to give tomorrow night on rockbox, here's my intended outline at the moment http://eden.rutgers.edu/~agashlin/rockbox.html
05:39:51hcsany suggestions/comments?
05:40:49hcsnote that the intended audience is a school linux users' group
05:41:48chrisjs169looks good
05:42:54chrisjs169maybe mention plugins a little more
05:42:54hcsI intend to run through some demonstrations on a simulator (since it'll be hard to show the actual screens to a group), and I'll have my iPod photo and Gigabeat for people to poke at afterwards
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05:43:19chrisjs169nice
05:43:21hcsI'm definitely going to demo the wiki viewer
05:43:46chrisjs169also, you may want to mention that you can still boot the OF
05:43:54hcsok
05:46:23scorchehcs: i would give creative's disabling of fm recording in a new firmware as an example
05:46:44hcsouch, good point
05:47:30hcsrichard stallman gave a talk about copyright, anti-drm, etc. here a few weeks back, so I'll be presenting it as a way to free one's iPod as well
05:48:04scorchealso, recording isnt through a plugin
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05:48:42hcsscorche: I don't see why that matters
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05:49:01hcsdid I misstate that?
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05:49:01scorcheit doesnt, but you just had that in the list under plugins =P
05:49:34hcsoh, good point
05:49:47BHSPitMonkeyhcs, who to?
05:50:09hcsrutgers university student linux users' group
05:50:26hcsassuming you mean "who am I giving this talk to"
05:51:23BHSPitMonkeyyeah
05:51:32BHSPitMonkeythat message was supposed to go much, much earlier
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05:51:46scorchehcs: also, browsing through ArticlesAboutRockbox might be a good idea...there are some decent ones in there by open source sites
05:51:56hcsgood idea!
05:52:32scorcheincluding one that mentions the creative thing and tells about why rockbox is such a good thing
05:53:36hcsI'm not missing a more direct link here, am I... we don't support the creative player in question, right?
05:53:44scorchewe dont
05:53:55scorchebut it is an example of what those companies do
05:54:24hcstrue
05:55:40hcsdo I characterize the Archos origins correctly? I have no experience with them
05:57:24scorchepretty much....the archos interface just sucked
05:58:11chrisjs169hmm...modifying e200_lcd2.patch (#6800) seems to cause my sansa to fade to white...
05:58:12scorchealso some recorder v2 models were actually fm recorders in disguise...they just had the FM funcions disabled in firmware
05:58:30chrisjs169hopefully just a bug
05:58:35scorchehttp://lwn.net/Articles/204130/ is the article i was referring to
05:58:42chrisjs169(on my part)
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06:04:43chrisjs169hmm...patch doesn't work
06:04:49chrisjs169oh well =/
06:04:51chrisjs169g2g
06:10:33hcsthe big question: do I offer to install it for people?
06:10:50scorchewhy not?
06:11:19hcsI'd then feel obligated to support it
06:11:40scorchetell them the url of the manual, and this irc channel
06:11:50hcsI suppose
06:11:51scorcheinstalling is easy enough now-a-days
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06:24:33BHSPitMonkeyhcs, you should instead offer them guidance in learning how to install.
06:24:45BHSPitMonkeybest to teach these people how to fish than to feed them
06:25:14BHSPitMonkeythey're the type of people who can handle it, anyways
06:25:20BHSPitMonkeyit's a LUG, right
06:25:35hcsyeah
06:25:37BHSPitMonkeyanyone who couldn't handle a rockbox install would have bad luck running it
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07:43:20amiconnjhMikeS: It was not the spec itself which said that the COMM chunk can be larger than 18(+8) bytes, but an article explaining the aiff format. It states that while a standard COMM chunk is 18 bytes, a parser should tolerate a longer one because of possible format extensions
07:44:08amiconnjhMikeS: And btw, apple has the aiff specs online: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/Sound/Sound-61.html
07:44:43amiconnWe could also support AIFF-C (AIFC) files, at least the type with no compression
07:45:34amiconn(a quite common limitation for audio programs supporting AIFC)
07:48:01JdGordonamiconn: how many codecs do we have which need the whole buffer in one block to work? just midi?
07:52:01amiconnCurrently none.
07:52:19amiconnmidi as a codec would need even more than just the whole midi file at once
07:52:35JdGordonwell.. I meant as a plugin or codec...
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07:53:26JdGordonpondlife got me thinking about the proper buffer handler again and I wanted to know if we need to worry about those codecs or not
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07:53:47amiconnI think we should, but midi is even more special, as I said
07:54:08amiconnI can't think of a nice solution for supporting midi in the playback system
07:56:31JdGordonIm starting to lean towards a memory layout with a block section and then a ring buffer after that, both being able to be resized fairly easily so those codecs would just resize the block section to the size they need and the playback engine would then buffer into the ring untill the block can be shrunk again (it would also be used for the current tracks Mob also)...
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07:56:47amiconnPractically all the mod formats need the whole file at once. SID is an example, and so the sid codec has to copy them. It copies them to a n own, static buffer, and since sid files are small, this always works
07:56:48JdGordonthats about as far as I've thought about it.. so its rough :p
07:57:43amiconnBut for other mod format this won't work. It's this copying that limits the maximum mod size to 400-something KB for the mod codec in the tracker
07:58:28amiconnEven some ProTracker mods exceed this, and ImpulseTracker mods are usually much bigger
07:59:15JdGordonwhats the general maximum one of these files would get to? 1mb? 5mb?
07:59:48amiconnThere is no general maximum. I've seen ImpulseTracker mods >6MB, but there might be even larger ones
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08:42:45tsuyoshithere's a 400k limit? wow
08:43:54tsuyoshirandomly looking at files.. most of the mods I have are bigger than that
08:44:09amiconnBagder: What's up with svn.rockbox.org?
08:45:15amiconntsuyoshi: Classic mods are often smaller than that (Soundtracker/Noisetracker/Protracker/Startrekker), Impulsetracker and Screamtracker mods tend to be large
08:45:26tsuyoshiyeah
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08:45:44amiconnThat's one reason why this codec is not yet in svn - we need to find a decent way to deal with those formats
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08:46:41amiconnPerhaps we should put it in svn though. Then people start using it and will complain about non-working mods...
08:48:17JdGordonI know ive asked before... but i cant remember if I got the answer or not.... who currently puts data onto the buffer (and requests the data size), playback.c or the actual codec?
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08:54:25tsuyoshihmm.. how much ram do the different players have?
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08:54:43JdGordon... Would be get away with a function to get X bytes from the ring, and a functoin to release a block from the ring? then the only hard part is when we need to wrap around the end of the buffer... if the requested size is too big (but it would fit at the start of the buffer) just skip that section and continue...
08:54:58tsuyoshiif you've only got a couple megs.. there's just no way to fit most mods in memory
08:55:01JdGordonthat would allow MOD's to work, they just request enough for the whole file to sit in ram
08:55:34JdGordontsuyoshi: the hwcodecs have 2mb, the x5 has 16mbb (iirc), and the rest have 32mb
08:55:39amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
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08:57:16amiconnBasically, all swcodec targets have 32MB with the following exceptions: iaudio X5, M5, and irivver H110/H115 (only those) have 16MB, the ipod video >=60GB has 64MB (which we don't use atm), and th iFP7xx has only 1MB
08:58:20linuxstb_JdGordon: Have you looked at the codecs (apps/codecs/*.c) to see how the codec API is used ? (search for calls of the form ci->funcname())
08:58:26tsuyoshiI see.. 32 megs is plenty
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08:59:02tsuyoshiback in the day.. I had a gus with 256k
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08:59:17JdGordonlinuxstb_: no, but your saying the codec do the rebuffering, playback.c just manages the buffer?
08:59:21tsuyoshiprobably 1/3 of mods wouldn't play on it
08:59:32amiconnmorning B4gder
08:59:33tsuyoshithen I upgraded it to 1024k, and everything played
08:59:45amiconnB4gder: What's up with svn.rockbox.org?
08:59:55linuxstb_JdGordon: No, I'm saying that if you look at the codecs, you'll see how they work...
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09:00:21tsuyoshiup until about 96 when people started putting massive samples into their music
09:00:27linuxstb_There are only a few codec API functions, so it's not complicated.
09:09:40B4gderamiconn: what's the problem?
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09:10:56amiconnB4gder: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/mpegplayer/video_out_rockbox.c?r1=13252&r2=13253
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09:11:10B4gderyeah, the web server seems to be dead or so
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09:16:58linuxstb_Hmm, http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 says 0x2000000 is the DEV_EN bit for ide0...
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09:30:22linuxstb_Anyone know the difference between ata_enable() and ide_power_enable() ?
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09:41:55*linuxstb is still here
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10:09:22scorcheugh...this email is getting too long
10:11:38scorcheJdGordon: you can say your earlier statement now ;)
10:12:00JdGordonwhich?
10:12:07JdGordonoh... :)
10:12:13scorche;)
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10:27:57markunthe Blackfin processors look nice for a rockboxed DAP
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10:30:22*petur did some blackfin stuff last year, but only highlevel
10:30:51peturthe analog devices debugger for it sucks big time
10:35:07markunso far I only found 2 blackfin based DAPs
10:35:40B4gderwell, perhaps the manufactorers can't get the codecs and other stuff for it
10:36:08B4gderneuros for example went TI/arm for it being the cheapest
10:36:40B4gderi mean there are many different parameters for the selection
10:36:48markunyes, too bad. I see blackfin commits at ffmpeg and xiph from time to time
10:37:22markunnever for the DM320
10:37:34markun(of course)
10:39:14B4gderin my current project they do as much as possible within an FPGA...
10:39:23B4gderincluding usb, cpu etc
10:39:40B4gdernot that it is a DAP but anyway
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10:40:32markunFPGA's are also interesting, quite a lot of cores on opencores.org already
10:40:33scorcheFPGAs are fun to play with
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10:41:04markunB4gder: do you know anything about the power consumption of FPGAs?
10:41:21B4gdernot really
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10:41:29B4gderbut the soft CPUs are usually rather low performance
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10:42:11B4gderand I usually don't work with handhelds nor design the electronics so I tend to just ignore those parameters ;-)
10:42:16scorchei have only had experience with them as PCI cards
10:42:45peturthe FPGA's we use here put out quite a bit of heat, but it's high performance stuff (telecom)
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10:43:07B4gderyes, they draw more if they do more of course
10:43:11scorchethey can crunch numbers like one wouldnt believe ;)
10:43:12peturheh
10:44:02B4gderbut they're crap at other sw-related stuff ;-)
10:44:49*B4gder draws the line between him and the "hw guys" exactly there. They do the FPGA/vhdl, I can poke on it from a CPU/memory/register
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10:53:22markunthe Blackfin DAPs I have found so far are only the "Ainol V1000" and a chinese "MP4 player"
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11:02:08B4gderscorche: remember to mention the tshirts I'll ship you for the devcon west! ;-)
11:02:19scorchehehe
11:02:55B4gderpeople will line up for those!
11:02:57B4gder:-P
11:02:59scorchei was going to request that if people on the list ask for one, that you just tell them that they will get one at the grouping ;)
11:03:41scorcheB4gder: i have to figure out where we will group up first!
11:03:55scorches/group/line
11:04:00B4gdersure
11:04:55B4gderwe're buying 30 shirts
11:05:39scorchealright...i am expecting 8-ish at this point, but you could probably see that ;)
11:06:21B4gderdarn it, you might outgrow us!
11:06:52scorcheheh
11:08:27B4gderon a totally unrelated topic
11:08:39B4gderzagor got a son saturday
11:08:44B4gdereeh
11:08:46B4gderdaughter
11:08:51B4gderhe already had a son
11:09:07scorchehe give her svn rights yet?
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11:09:44peturprobably an e-mail adress
11:10:12scorchei am going to have to congratulate him next time he comes in here to warn us of server maint ;)
11:10:57B4gderhehe, that'll be around may 5 then I guess
11:11:11B4gderthe svn/build server is moving then
11:11:17B4gderphysically
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11:13:07B4gderfrom one server hall to another one in a different part of the city
11:13:33scorcheany specific reason, or was it just asking for a change of scenery?
11:14:07B4gderjust the hosting company moving to a better place (for them)
11:14:22scorcheah
11:14:34scorchehow is rex doing?
11:15:11B4gderhe's fine, he sits good but he hasn't started to move around on himself yet. 7 months old now
11:15:31scorchehas it already been 7 months?...jees...
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11:15:47B4gderindeed
11:16:05B4gderI had no kids when rockbox started...
11:16:17B4gderlook what it made to me! ;-)
11:17:09B4gderlunch
11:17:15scorchewell, that *is* what happens when you "rock" the "box"...
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11:33:15JdGordonhey pondlife
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11:37:33pondlifeJdGordon: ho JdGordon
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11:38:22JdGordonyou got me thinking about the buffer again.. and I tihnk ive got it this time :)
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11:38:48pondlifeI don't think the actual buffer usage should change from the current situation really.
11:39:24pondlifeJust be via simpler and more protective interfaces.
11:39:45JdGordonok, well yeah, thats sort of worked out in my ead also
11:40:01pondlifeI can't say I understand the whole thing at the moment myself :(
11:40:58JdGordonI think I've got it mostly figured out... playback.c would be very much simpler
11:41:12pondlifewiki it?
11:41:34JdGordoni started email but gave up half way through... yeah, ill do that soonish
11:41:49pondlifeThanks to LinusN I've got a working H300 again, so I'm a bit less frightened of playing with playback now...
11:41:59JdGordon:)
11:42:19pondlifeI didn't think "It works on the sim" was a good reason to break playback ;)
11:42:47pondlife(Plus I now owe the project some work...)
11:47:10JdGordonI'm scared that I'm going to wiki up thte whole idea, then have someone say I got the whole current playback system wrong so it wont work :p
11:47:44JdGordonoh, can the hard disk be turned off if a fd is kept open?
11:48:12pondlifeI would think so, but you could always write a test plugin
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11:48:39pondlifeRegarding your previous comment, that's exactly why it should be wikied first!
11:50:42JdGordon:)
11:55:08LinusNJdGordon: yes, you can turn off the hd with open file handles
11:55:18LinusNthat's what the playback engine does
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12:12:24jimboanyone around?
12:12:37GodEaterone or two
12:12:41B4gder /whois anyone
12:12:43B4gderoops
12:13:28jimbohehe i just got given a gigabeat f40, i take it if i put rockbox on it i can play vidios wtc?
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12:13:30jimboetc*
12:13:41B4gderrockbox will make it fly
12:14:01GodEaterand make coffee
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12:15:26markunjimbo: you can play videos (and they can even look very good) but you will have to trancode them yourself
12:16:11markunjimbo: don't be shocked by the way rockbox looks at first :) you can change all that
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12:33:45jimbothe f40 cant play avi's like tv eps can it?
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12:34:38markunjimbo: check the PM, I already explained it to you
12:36:47jimboall good =)
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12:59:01cybrhumanHi, is there a maillist or another easy way to keep updated on rockbox for a specific player (sandisk sansa e200)?
12:59:15markuncybrhuman: no, not really
12:59:26markunbut you could keep an eye on the MajorChanges wiki
12:59:32B4gdercybrhuman: rockbox is mostly the same on all platforms
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13:00:01cybrhumanyes, but usb doesnt seem to work on sansa yet
13:00:32B4gderno, it doesn't work on any PP based target
13:00:53cybrhumanPP?
13:00:59B4gderportalplayer
13:01:13cybrhumanok.
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13:03:19cybrhumanthanks for your time :-)
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13:08:05*crop reminds markun about the pending patch for nimbus fonts (but doesn't remember the FS number).
13:08:50cropThe patch does no goot to me though since I dont have the euro symbol in my tags. But just for the sake of completeness
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13:16:02preglowdid anyone try the sansa power savings stuff on ipods?
13:16:17preglowi assume at least the ata controller poweroff might be applicable
13:17:18B4gdersounds resonable, yes
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13:32:40Rob24I just got rock box and I put some roms on it and I was woundering if there is any way to get them to save
13:32:47GodEaterpreglow: I *think* linuxstb was looking at it this morning
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13:35:21*petur whispers rtfm
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13:38:49croppetur: after the (not more so) recent changes re (mainly) the main menu but also loadable icons the manual has become quite obsolete
13:39:24peturnot obsolete, maybe a bit outdated
13:41:44croppetur: yes. I mean, the main thing is not described −− how to navigate RB. Those who could write the manual are familiar with RB and don't need it. Hence no interest in writing.
13:42:04peturcrop: not true
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13:42:39B4gderif that were true we wouldn't have a manual in the first place
13:42:57peturthe manual is normally quite up to date, I guess the maintainers just have a lot of other stuff to do atm
13:44:38cropIn the beginning, there was an urge. An there was a new documenting system (latex) and much enthusiasm. But after some time it dropped.
13:44:43pixelmacrop: instead of "complaining" you could write a patch or at least a raw txt for such a chapter and put it to the patch tracker
13:45:00B4gdercrop: you clearly haven't been around long if you say that
13:45:13B4gderin the beginning there was nothing
13:45:13croppixelma: I suffer from the same: what I need to know I do know already.
13:45:16B4gderthen nothing again
13:45:21B4gderand then a few more years with nothing
13:45:27B4gderthen openoffice
13:45:35B4gderthen latex
13:45:43B4gderand lots lots lots of work
13:45:50pixelmacrop: so you don't have an interest to share your knowledge/give others help?
13:46:03cropB4gder: yes, I understand and I admire and appreciate that
13:46:04AceNikhey i was trying to patch , can anyone help me with this error i get, http://www.pastebin.ca/455684
13:46:21pixelmaput please don't draw conclusions that others think so too
13:47:14croppixelma: ok, ok :-)
13:47:26B4gderI think the manual team have done a superb job, and its hardly their fault that the development sometimes go very fast
13:47:44cropAceNik: why do you need −−binary?
13:48:16AceNikcrop:i dont understand what you refering to
13:48:31cropB4gder: I don't blame the manual team. They've really done a good job, I fully agree.
13:48:45B4gderAceNik: "can't find file to patch at input line 3614" sounds pretty descriptive to me...
13:49:16B4gderit even shows the path
13:52:22PaulJamcrop: the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page suggests using the −−binary option. but i'm not sure why.
13:52:49B4gderI believe it is because windows users and line endings are a confusing combo...
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13:53:25DooMMasteRgood morning
13:53:30B4gderand I also think it is rarely needed
13:53:48DooMMasteRcan anyone help me....I'm looking for a "fast" build for the 3G ipod
13:53:57AceNik_are the sokoban.sok file same as the sokoban.levels
13:54:19B4gderAceNik: ask the patch author
13:54:27GodEaterDooMMasteR: why would you assume we post nothing but slow ones on the website, and keep the fast ones to ourselves ?
13:55:11DooMMasteRno...but the one from the website...is SLOW....in I hoped that there might be a faster one...with maybe less fetures
13:55:14DooMMasteR+a
13:56:01DooMMasteRor is it not build available that runs smooth on a 3g....due to its CPU....
13:57:24B4gderDooMMasteR: don't hold your breath for Rockbox to ever run very good on that target
13:57:50DooMMasteRdamn...I expected such an answer....
13:58:17DooMMasteRso i'll stick to my 8GB ipod mini
13:58:39GodEaterI thought they only went up to 6GB ?
13:58:47DooMMasteRwhich is defentely a lot faster
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13:59:05DooMMasteR^^i tweked it with an 8GB ST1.2 HDD
13:59:15DooMMasteRit was a 4GB
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14:01:10DooMMasteRbut it will be replaces by a 16GB flashdrive
14:01:17DooMMasteRas they go under 150€
14:02:33DooMMasteRbut atm they cost about 200€
14:02:35DooMMasteR:|
14:03:00DooMMasteRthan the mini will stay my favorite...since is has ROCKBOX on it
14:04:30Guiledoes someone know why scrolling is slow compared to the apple OS on the ipod video
14:04:50DooMMasteRthe CPU prob
14:04:52DooMMasteRhmmm
14:04:57DooMMasteRtry a COP build
14:05:02*amiconn wonders whether dan_a decided to drop G3 develompment... :\
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14:05:57DooMMasteR^^they use the second ARM core....and offer smooth scrolling during playback
14:06:15preglowi think we should consider dropping the ports if so
14:06:24preglowfew people use old ipods, heh
14:06:40Guilewhat do you mean un cop build
14:06:45Guilea cop build
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14:08:00DooMMasteRhttp://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/download.asp
14:09:21Guileis it a "fork" ?
14:09:35DooMMasteRjulius jbuilds also have COP support
14:09:45DooMMasteRkernel_on_cop was the patch
14:09:51DooMMasteRhttp://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/
14:10:12lachlan569COP is already is SVN (I think)
14:10:21DooMMasteRreally???
14:10:25preglowhrm
14:10:26amiconnCurrent svn builds use the cop
14:10:29preglowdid slasheri commit his cop fixes?
14:10:44amiconnNot properly tjough, but the kernel-on-cop patch has the same problem
14:11:05Guilethere are several rockbox distributions, like linux ?
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14:11:20DooMMasteR^^yes
14:11:29Guileokay, I didn't know ^^
14:11:45preglowwell, not quite
14:11:52preglowthere are unofficial builds which have additional functionality
14:11:54preglowwhich might be flakey
14:11:58preglowwe're the only official build
14:12:04DooMMasteRno real distros but build with advanced patches
14:12:09Guileokay
14:13:02GuileSo which should I choose
14:13:13Guilejulius or senab
14:13:14DooMMasteRthe native
14:13:19DooMMasteRohh
14:13:21DooMMasteRhmmm
14:13:32jimbowhere i go to add a background so lost hehe
14:13:32DooMMasteRthe julius
14:13:57Guileokay
14:14:34Guilethe thing that is practical on the apple os, is the letter which appears when you scroll fast
14:15:03DooMMasteRhmmm
14:15:18DooMMasteRdon't have that feature on my mini :P
14:15:30Guile=) okay
14:16:09GuileI guess that the 5g build is compatible with the "5.5g"
14:16:34DooMMasteRoeh.....hmmmm
14:16:36DooMMasteRkp
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14:17:03jimbodosent let u fastforward a movie?
14:17:09preglowno
14:17:18preglowand it's "you", not "u"
14:17:25Guile"kp" ?
14:17:31DooMMasteRhttp://geektechnique.org/images/1331t.jpg
14:17:38GuileI'm french so excuse my english :D
14:17:52DooMMasteRno problem....I'm german
14:18:04DooMMasteRmorning neighbour
14:18:04intgrHello, this doesnt' seem to be addressed in the FAQ: which MP3 player should I buy if I don't want to support non-evil manufacturers, and want to run Rockbox on it?
14:18:22intgrErr, don't want to support evil manufacturers :)
14:18:46Guileach, ich mag deutschland
14:18:49B4gderthen buy from the non-evil ones
14:18:50preglowwhat is evil in this context?
14:19:14intgrDRM is a certain sign of evilness.
14:19:16DooMMasteRapples pid's are not RoHS conform
14:19:26B4gderthey're not?
14:19:28DooMMasteRthey dropped DRM partly
14:19:38DooMMasteRnope
14:19:40intgr<B4dger> then buy from the non-evil ones
14:19:41DooMMasteRnot yet
14:19:45intgrThat was pretty much my question.
14:19:59B4gderI thought you had to be Rohs compliant in europe
14:19:59intgrWhich ones should I consider?
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14:20:18B4gderintgr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
14:20:19DooMMasteRGreenpeace pulicated a list of evil manufracteurs of electronics
14:20:29intgrB4gder: Ah, thanks for pointing that out.
14:20:37B4gderintgr: and exclude the ones you think are evil ;-)
14:20:48B4gdermost companies support DRM in one way or another
14:21:19DooMMasteRi would try the sansa.....
14:21:25intgrRight.
14:21:44DooMMasteRbecause (maybe) it will become expandable
14:21:49DooMMasteR(mini sd cards)
14:21:55B4gdermaybe?
14:22:01DooMMasteRif rockbox will ever support that feature
14:22:07B4gderah, right
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14:22:13intgrWhy wouldn't it?
14:22:24B4gderbecause it isn't supported now
14:22:26DooMMasteRit's not supportet yet
14:22:28pondlifeBecause nobody worked on it?
14:22:48DooMMasteRbut someones was working on the FM support
14:22:59DooMMasteRand that is a nice feature
14:23:11intgr"Because nobody worked on it" does not sound like a good reason to *never* implement SD...\
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14:23:19DooMMasteRanaother point is the price...it is cheap
14:23:22intgrBut never mind.
14:23:27preglowit isn't a good point
14:23:31preglowbut someone still has to do it some time
14:23:32pondlifeintgr: I meant from a future point of view
14:23:39pondlifei.e. Because nobody had worked on it.
14:23:45intgrRight.
14:24:09jimbook just checking theres no way to make it fastforward a movie? (if i have to stop half way through and do somthing else i dont want to wait for it to get to same spot lol)
14:24:12DooMMasteRthe 8GB version is about 120€
14:24:20DooMMasteRand that is CHEAP
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14:24:46PaulJamConcerning the BuyersGuide wikipage: isn't the sansa display 176x220 instead of 220x176?
14:24:56B4gderyes
14:24:56DooMMasteRjep
14:25:24jimbohmm thats not good lol
14:25:33*amiconn thinks cowon can be counted as non-evil
14:25:33DooMMasteRwhy??
14:25:51DooMMasteRyes...but the X5 is discontinued....
14:25:56DooMMasteRand not cheap
14:26:09DooMMasteRand HDD based
14:26:23jimbooh my "thats not good" was refering to not being able to fforward movies
14:26:27*B4gder likes his X5
14:26:45DooMMasteRbut it is a jukebox...if you are looking for something with more than 10GB storage....that would be my first choice
14:26:57amiconnBeing HDD based can be counted as an advantage, depending on what you want to use your dap for
14:27:02intgrWhy would I want a HDD?
14:27:16amiconnThere are simply no flash players with 30GB+ yet
14:27:29DooMMasteRI'll get rid of the HDD in my mini as fast as possible
14:27:36DooMMasteR16GB flash are a lot better
14:28:14DooMMasteR^^^don't make me prove you wron...i'll get a 32GB cf card (300€ and create the biggest mini ever ;P
14:28:25pregloware the gsoc projects counted as finally allocated yet?
14:28:57B4gderpreglow: I think so, although I'm not sure how far they are in the way towards contracts between google and the students
14:30:52intgrI currently have a stupid old Phillips piece of crap, that I just found out doesn't support SD cards over 512 MB, after buying a 2GB card. :(
14:31:13intgrPhilips*
14:31:25DooMMasteRlol
14:31:33intgrToo bad I can't use the SD card with Rockbox either.
14:31:43intgrBut good thing they're so cheap these days.
14:31:46DooMMasteRmy camcorder does support some 2GB cards...but not all
14:31:58DooMMasteR2GB 12€
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14:32:07DooMMasteRabout $16
14:32:11B4gderSD is not micro SD
14:32:42intgrAnd 2GB is a log compared to 512MB. :)
14:32:46intgrlot
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14:39:16DooMMasteRjust got the news...that 32GB SSD cards are now available
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14:39:48DooMMasteRthe first...but they are in 2,5" format :(
14:39:59intgrAnd they're probably slow as hell too.
14:40:07DooMMasteRnope
14:40:28DooMMasteRred 42MB per second
14:40:36DooMMasteRwrite 33MB
14:40:37intgrWhoa.
14:40:53intgrAre you sure that's megabytes, not megabits?
14:41:02DooMMasteRits megabytes
14:41:19intgrThat's faster than 5400RPM hard drives.
14:41:27DooMMasteRyepp
14:41:36intgrNot to mention that there's no seeking.
14:41:58DooMMasteRand in 1,8" they would be nice
14:42:01DooMMasteRhttp://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/how-the-companies-line-up
14:42:20DooMMasteRapple is still on the last place :'(
14:43:07DooMMasteRApple - Holding firmly in last place: low scores on almost all criteria and no progress.
14:48:59DooMMasteRDirectX 10 will be available for Windows Xp
14:49:20DooMMasteRot
14:52:17DooMMasteRhttp://www.boingboing.net/2007/04/24/universal_and_amazon.html
14:52:26DooMMasteRDRM.....freed
14:53:56intgrHaha, they gave in?!
14:54:04DooMMasteRjap
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14:59:28intgrBtw, does anyone have experience with hacking Rockbox? The firmware updater for my MP3 player comes with a bunch of hex files and two bin files; what's the most obvious way to find out which CPU arch it is? Just try disassembling with various toolchains until the output looks intelligible?
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15:00:02DooMMasteRope it up
15:00:17DooMMasteRi concidered to do it with my iaudio6
15:00:23intgrI've tried, it's locked tight, I was on the verge of breaking it before I gave up. :)
15:00:24B4gderintgr: see the NewPort wiki page
15:00:38intgrThanks again B4gder.
15:00:45B4gderor try disassemble the files
15:00:54B4gderthere's a very high probability the arch is ARM
15:01:05intgrNope, it disassembles to junk.
15:01:16B4gderyeah, they may be scrambled/encrypted
15:01:23intgrHmm.
15:01:33intgrI thought the 68k was a popular one?
15:01:46fejfighterhex has been used for the h300 and the 68k though
15:01:46B4gdeririver and iaudio, sure
15:01:59B4gderintgr: but they're nothing compared to arm
15:02:11intgrRight.
15:02:15B4gderthe h10 also has a hex format for their bootloader
15:02:47DooMMasteRbut it is encrypted
15:02:50DooMMasteRmost of it
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15:03:02fejfighteroh ok fair enough
15:03:16B4gderDooMMasteR: what is?
15:03:54DooMMasteR??
15:04:00B4gder"<DooMMasteR> but it is encrypted"
15:04:06DooMMasteRmy H10 is broken...
15:04:13DooMMasteR^^the H10s firmware
15:04:32B4gderyes, but I said bootloader hence my curiousity
15:04:52DooMMasteRwhere is the newport wiki page???
15:05:03B4gderenter NewPort in the go field
15:05:10DooMMasteR^^the H10s bootloader is also partly encrypted
15:05:24B4gderDooMMasteR: partly?
15:05:42DooMMasteRyep...some initilisations are open
15:05:46DooMMasteRthe rest is encrypted
15:06:11DooMMasteRtha's why you have to replace the bootloader and DualBoot is not possible
15:06:30B4gderno, that's not correct
15:06:40B4gderI find it funny you tell me all this ;-)
15:06:55B4gder1. the h10 bootloader is what I refer to as scrambled
15:07:25B4gder2. dual-boot is indeed possible on the h10, we should just be able to load the mi4, decrypt it and run it
15:07:39B4gderthere's just something in there that isn't working yet afaik
15:07:44DooMMasteRbut noone has done it yet :(
15:07:53DooMMasteR^^or that way
15:07:57B4gderwell, there's not many devs with h10s
15:08:16DooMMasteRmine is broken
15:08:45DooMMasteRthe HDD headcrashed...and it is not compatible with the normal CF protocoll
15:09:17intgrHas anyone shown any interest in the past of porting to a Philips player?
15:09:44DooMMasteRto which one?
15:09:46B4gderintgr: check the "New Ports" area in the forums
15:09:55B4gderall sorts of odd players have been mentioned
15:09:58intgrI own a SA230/00C
15:10:07B4gderbut mostly people want a port, without doing anything themselves
15:10:14intgrRight.
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15:13:26DooMMasteRa port to the Cowon D2 would be nice....but it's a toutchscreen player....so one would need to alter the UI
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15:15:26bepeDamn, managed to wreck my ipod today, it fell down the stairs :S hehe
15:15:38bepeCan anyone recommend me another player that will run rockbox?
15:15:44DooMMasteRthe disadvantage of HDDs
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15:15:52bepeI've looked at the Gigabeat, but I can't find them anywhere
15:15:52*B4gder reads about Boa the web server and enjoys the screen shot: http://www.boa.org/boa_startup.png
15:15:55DooMMasteR^^replace the HDD
15:16:07bepeThe screen got wrecked as well
15:16:21DooMMasteRurgs
15:16:27DooMMasteRhow old?
15:16:30GodEaterB4gder: nice eye candy :)
15:16:46B4gderhehe, almost rockboxish! ;-P
15:17:03DooMMasteRif it is under 90days old
15:17:08DooMMasteRtry the apple care service
15:17:17DooMMasteRsometimes they even replace dropped items
15:17:30GodEaterB4gder: so when are you going to port it to rockbox then ?
15:17:48bepeDooMMasteR, yeah, I'll try that first :) thanks
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15:17:53B4gderGodEater: as soon as my tcp/ip stack is done!
15:18:17B4gderIP-over-mic/earphones
15:18:19intgrJust use one of the hundreds available stacks.
15:18:20intgr:)
15:18:21bepetcp/ip-stack=? anything important I've missed? :)
15:18:27DooMMasteRwhich device should use the TCP stack???
15:18:29DooMMasteR^^^lol
15:18:47bepenice
15:18:58kclafipod
15:19:00B4gderI'm only blabbing
15:19:03kclafTCP over AiR
15:21:01B4gderGodEater: I just happened to find it in my uclinux dir and had to figure out what it is... .-)
15:21:17B4gderuclinux is a strange beast
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15:22:18bepewell, gotta go, thanks for your advice, DooMMasteR :)
15:22:26DooMMasteRnp
15:26:09Guilethanks too
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15:29:29intgrWould you expect the firmware uploader to descramble the firmware, or is it likely to be done on the device's end?
15:29:53intgrWhat do other players do?
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15:31:38B4gderit's mostly done on the device itself
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15:35:46intgrToo bad.
15:37:12B4gderhow do you update the firmware, is a tool or do you just copy stuff to the player?
15:37:28intgrIt's a tool, you need to boot the player into a special mode.
15:37:33DooMMasteRfor whitch player???
15:37:37intgrSo that's pretty likely.
15:37:42intgrPhilips SA230/00C
15:37:45B4gderintgr: and that mode isn't mass storage?
15:37:52intgrB4gder: Nope.
15:38:05intgrIIRC, I last flashed it two years ago I think.
15:38:37B4gderwell, I think there are windows tools that can "snoop" on usb traffic
15:38:58B4gderas I assume the tool is running on windows
15:39:03intgrYeah, or VMware.
15:39:44B4gdervmware running windows you mean
15:40:02intgrYep.
15:41:03B4gderyou should also try to see if there are other sa230 owners interested in helping out
15:41:23B4gdersince a new port is a rough ride, very hard to do on your own if you never did it before
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15:41:34intgrNo results, although there's a wiki page on SAA7750
15:42:07intgrI know. :)
15:43:36intgrWriting code for embdedded CPUs is hard enough with the specs. ;)
15:44:33B4gderdriver-level code is about the same, embedded or not
15:44:46B4gderimho
15:46:13intgrPossibly; never written a driver for a PC.
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15:53:50*amiconn actually prefers writing low level stuff over ui stuff
15:54:10preglowoh god, yes
15:54:18DooMMasteR???
15:54:20intgrUIs do suck. :)
15:54:25preglowui coding has a nasty tendency to bore me
15:54:26DooMMasteRlol
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16:59:55spahijahi all...installed rockbox from linux a few moments ago but nothing happends
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17:00:05spahijaI only get Apple logo nothing else
17:00:27Domonokyis the bootloader installed ?
17:00:27DooMMasteRscrewed...loader problem...hmm had that tooo
17:00:38DooMMasteRwhich loder did you use?
17:00:40DooMMasteRloader1 oder 2
17:00:51spahijawell I followed instructions for linux and there was no talk about booloader
17:01:16Domonokyspahija see the manual, there is a section about installing the bootloader
17:01:25DooMMasteRjepp
17:01:28spahijaDomonoky, for linux too ?
17:02:07spahijaahh yes...
17:02:16spahijaipodpathcher
17:02:42DooMMasteRthat is ist
17:02:45spahijawell I did that m8
17:02:51Domonokyyes, everthing is in the manual :-)
17:02:54spahijastill the same '
17:03:03DooMMasteRhmmm
17:03:07DooMMasteRtry the loader2
17:03:15spahijawhere ?
17:03:21spahijaI have a 3 gen ipod
17:03:32amiconnThe official way is to use the rockbox bootloader
17:03:35DooMMasteRhttp://www.ipodlinux.org/images/b/b3/Ipodloader2-2.5.tar.gz
17:03:42B4gderdoes the loader2 work now?
17:03:47DooMMasteRjep
17:04:00DooMMasteRif rockbox is placed in a .rockbox folder
17:04:03LloreanB4gder: Certain beta version does.
17:04:06Lloreando
17:04:13DooMMasteRthis does
17:04:20spahijaDooMMasteR, thats the lates and greatest ?
17:04:21DooMMasteRjust used it yesterday
17:04:25DooMMasteRalso on a 3g
17:04:38DooMMasteRbut the 3g is damn slow on rockbox
17:04:41DooMMasteRcYa
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17:05:52spahijahow to use this file ?
17:06:01spahijacant execute it
17:06:02spiorfwasn't loader2 giving problems with COP?
17:06:07spahija./ or sh
17:06:15spahijanone of them work
17:06:34B4gderthat's why we recommend the rockbox bootloader
17:06:55spahijaB4gder, can you paste link please
17:06:59Lloreanspiorf: The very newest (b5? I believe) is supposed to work with it
17:07:07B4gderspahija: it is in the rockbox manual
17:07:19spahijaB4gder, you mean ipoadpatcher ?
17:07:23B4gderyes
17:07:23Lloreanspiorf: But it's not supported by use, and never will be.
17:07:32spahijaB4gder, I tried that first..no go
17:07:47B4gderspahija: then you need to fix the problems and try again
17:08:06B4gderor is there a problem with that on the 3g?
17:08:10Lloreanspahija: What exactly did you do?
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17:08:23Lloreanspahija: Other than running ipodpatcher, what other steps did you take?
17:08:30spahijaLlorean, followed installation for linux
17:09:00spahijaLlorean, other then running ipoadpatcher ..nothing ..
17:09:05LloreanThen you didn't do everything
17:09:10spahija?
17:09:13LloreanYou never installed Rockbox, just the bootloader
17:09:19LloreanYou skipped the entire "Installing the Firmware" bit
17:09:38LloreanSection 2.2.2 of the manual
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17:09:47LloreanIf memory serves correctly for the numbering.
17:10:10spahijaLlorean, http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod3g/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
17:10:20spahijathis was the manual in question
17:10:25Lloreanspahija: Yes
17:10:47spahijaLlorean, if you look at it I followed insctructions to the letters
17:10:51LloreanNo, you did not
17:10:58spahijaI see no install firmware for linux
17:11:02*Llorean sighs
17:11:07LloreanThe install firmware is section 2.2.2
17:11:13LloreanIt doesn't HAVE different versions for different operating systems
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17:11:37spahijablime
17:11:40spahija:(
17:11:48LloreanIf you'd read the whole thing through, you'd have been fine.
17:12:17spahijaLlorean, thousand apologies ..my bad
17:12:22LloreanAs it is, all you need to do is reboot your iPod into the apple firmware (hold Menu+Select, as soon as the screen clears, turn on the hold switch, and wait)
17:12:26LloreanThen do section 2.2.2
17:12:45spahijaLlorean, trying
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17:17:03spahijaLlorean, do I also need fonts ?
17:18:54spahijaLlorean, it works now..thanks man..
17:24:00spahijaare there any improvements regarding battery time ?
17:24:35spahijaI mean does it last longer with rockbox then with apple firmware
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17:26:32[g2]anybody looked at hacking the 2nd Shuffle ?
17:27:14Lloreanspahija: The iPods actually get significantly worse battery time in Rockbox than the original firmware.
17:27:23Lloreanspahija: There's just something in the hardware we haven't figured out yet.
17:27:43Llorean[g2]: Again, anything should be in the "New Ports" forum, in general.
17:28:28spahijaLlorean, I see...any pointer for a rockbox n00b?
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17:29:52Lloreanspahija: Don't expect too much. You've got a 3rd gen iPod, which has some strange hardware quirks of its own, so Rockbox isn't performing its best on it yet, so please don't judge our software from it. :)
17:32:02markun[g2]: some info on the shuffle 2's CPU if you are interested: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58
17:32:27spahijaLlorean, well I noticed thats slow compared to apple but I am gonna give it a shot
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17:35:08spahijaLlorean, what should n00b look first IYHO
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17:37:06Lloreanspahija: Depends. When I originally installed Rockbox, I did so because I wanted a specific feature, so the first thing I did was try that out.
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17:37:40spahijaLlorean, for me it was support for ogg
17:37:53spahijawas looking for info about it ..
17:38:45GodEaterwhat info do you need? Pick an ogg, play it...
17:39:02spahijaGodEater, I was wondering where to store files
17:39:10GodEateranywhere you like
17:39:18spahijaoh I see
17:39:27GodEaterMost users adopt the \Artists\Albums folder approach
17:39:31GodEaterbut you can use any system you like
17:39:34spahijabut to keep it compatible with apple firmware ??
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17:40:33spahijadoes amarok supports rockbox ?
17:40:44markunspahija: the apple firmware will not be able to play your ogg files anyway
17:41:31spahijamarkun, yes but I was thinking more of storage place for file to be comaptible for both
17:42:05GodEaterspahija: but there is NO way for an ogg file to be compatible - no matter where it's stored
17:42:32spahijasome files that I have are ogg others mp3
17:43:03GodEaterwell the apple firmware will only ever play the mp3 files, and then only if they're loaded on in the iTunes manner
17:43:14GodEatereither using iTunes itself, or something like gtkpod etc.
17:43:41spahijaGodEater, reading my mind :D ...gtkpod running as we speak
17:44:15GodEaterwell that will store all your music under ipod_control somewhere in some obfuscated folder / file name combo
17:44:39GodEaterand you can choose to store your ogg files there if you really want (but I'd consider you mental if you did)
17:44:41spahijaGodEater, but I get this right I can move files where ever I want and rockbox will play it
17:44:45markunanyone familiar with wikipedia editing?
17:45:02GodEatermarkun: no, it's like, the most complicated wiki system in the universe in my opinion
17:45:20GodEateryou finally lost your rag over the gigabeat page huh ? :)
17:45:20markunthe question is not about the formatting
17:45:57markunGodEater: I removed the section which had the claim that the Gigabeat X uses OLED and someone changed another section to include that claim again
17:46:15markunI wonder who first made that up
17:46:23GodEaterput it in the "discussion" page
17:46:26markunI have
17:46:37GodEaterhmm
17:47:03markunI guess the first time someone wrote it it was just a mistake (might have been confused with the Gigabeat P) but after that it's on wikipedia... so it must be true
17:47:11[g2]Llorean, markun THX
17:47:14GodEaterHow about changing the section they just put in to say explicitly something like "despite some claims to the contrary, the X does not have an OLED display)
17:47:53[g2]markun, are you hacking the 2nd gen shuffles ?
17:48:01markun[g2]: no
17:48:18markunbut I have done some Gigabeat hacking
17:48:28GodEater[g2]: I don't believe it's possible currently - I don't believe an open source compiler exists for the shuffle's architecture (either gen).
17:48:44[g2]GodEater, it's an ARM right ?
17:48:48GodEater[g2]: No
17:48:55GodEaternot to my knowledge anyway
17:48:56markunGodEater: the 2nd gen is ARM based...
17:49:03GodEaterreally ?
17:49:04markunright?
17:49:09GodEaterI stand corrected then
17:49:10markunI thought so
17:49:41markun[g2]: do you have one?
17:49:55[g2]markun, does the Gigabeat have a Samsung ?
17:49:58markunyes
17:50:01GodEateripl don't even know what arch it is
17:50:22[g2]markun, I've got a SansaE260 but haven't loaded Rockbox on it
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17:50:41[g2]I've got an embedded Linux company that has an XScale based server product
17:50:46GodEatermarkun: where'd you read that it was ARM based ?
17:50:58markunGodEater: let me google
17:51:06[g2]http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58
17:51:14[g2]ARM 940T based
17:51:37[g2]http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/06/11/02/exposing_the_guts_of_apples_second_gen_ipod_shuffle.html
17:51:53[g2]GodEater, that's got pics of the Samsung chip
17:52:46GodEaterwow
17:53:04GodEatermight even be an easy port in that case - since there's no LCD driver to write ;)
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17:53:28GodEateryou'd have to get voice working right though
17:53:34markunyes :)
17:53:57markunmaybe the TTS work for GSoC will help
17:54:01[g2]voice playback ?
17:54:12GodEatervoice interface, for the menus
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17:54:26GodEaterso you can tell what item you have selected when you can't see the screen
17:54:39[g2]markun, TTS work for GSoc ?
17:56:20[g2]ah.... Google Summer of Code
17:56:44GodEaternot sure what TTS stands for mind you...
17:56:55GodEaterit's not on our GSoC page
17:57:03GodEaterah
17:57:07GodEaterText To Speech
17:57:08GodEatersilly me
17:57:23*GodEater goes to the back of the class
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18:00:06GodEatermarkun: why not see if you can contact user Jw21 and find out why he keeps putting the Oled stuff back ?
18:00:47markunGodEater: that's what I was going to do
18:01:21GodEatertell him you're a psychopath and you'll hunt him and his family down if he does it again :)
18:01:26markuncan I just post on his page?
18:01:41markunthat'll teach him!
18:02:24GodEaterI think you're supposed to post on his dicussion page
18:02:33GodEaterbut I'm not really sure of wikipedia ettiquette
18:12:56markunGodEater: in his discussion page there is a big section called "Regarding Your Claims..." :)
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18:30:02pixelmaNico_P: am I allowed to use a backdrop in the rwps of the X5's greyscale remote - trying to figure out if it's a mistake by me that makes the sim crash or if it's the wps system
18:30:31pixelma(with the %X-tag that is - with a greyscale bmp)
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18:31:27Lloreanpixelma: Grayscale screens should not allow backdrops.
18:31:36pixelmaLlorean: ???
18:31:39LloreanAt least, they didn't before Nico_P's changes.
18:31:54LloreanThe %X tag would, if I recall, just show up in the WPS as if it were text.
18:32:11pixelmathey allow greyscale backdrops since a while - in the browser as well as in the WPS (I use that on my M5)
18:32:17LloreanHm
18:32:22LloreanApparently I'm out of date. :)
18:32:34LloreanI missed that.
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18:39:18f-manhi , is there any chance to get rockbox running on ipod nano 2nd generation ?
18:39:46spiorff-man, no :(
18:40:29f-mandamn , should have known that before i got mine :D
18:40:41f-manno future developments ?
18:40:43amiconnjust 'no' is wrong
18:41:02amiconnEverything is possible if someone starts hacking it seriously
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18:42:15f-manwhat's holding this project now ?
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18:42:38f-manthere's no coder with nano 2nd gen ?
18:42:49amiconnWell, someone with a Nano G2 and a clue needs to start hacking
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18:43:10amiconnSerious problems with Nano G2 are: *completely different hardware, just the name is similar to the previous Nano. *The firmware is encrypted in a not yet known way. *The chips are glued to the board, so tracing is nearly impossible
18:44:02pixelmaNico_P: update: when I use the %x-tag for displaying it as a static bitmap it only works if that is also a mono bmp - a greyscale one makes the sim crash too :(
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18:44:43f-mansounds like a problem to me
18:47:33f-manhad ppl done that b4 when the tracing was impossible?
18:49:25Nico_Ppixelma: I just got back... what's the problem exactly ? loading a greyscale backdrop crashes the sim ?
18:49:55pixelmayes - in a rwps for the greyscale X5/M5 remote
18:50:54Nico_Ppixelma: are backdrops supposed to be possible on greyscale displays ?
18:51:04pixelmayes
18:51:40amiconnAnd on main lcd it works afaik
18:51:51pixelmaas stated above I tried it out on my M5 (menu) and I use it in my wps there
18:52:14pixelma(main screen)
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18:56:18pixelmaat the moment you couldn't set a remote backdrop (for the menus) though - no menu entries to do so anywher
18:56:24pixelmae
18:59:05amiconnHmm, the 2 bit remote lcd driver has backdrop handling implemented... so it's just not offered in the UI
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19:01:22Nico_Ppixelma: could you send me the RWPS you are using ?
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19:15:14joshinHmmm, looks like andrew867 was working on the FM tuner for the Sansa. Will see if I can find out what happened...
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19:43:10RenoHi!! : )
19:43:24Renocan any body help me with somethin'?
19:43:52Nico_PReno: just ask
19:43:58Renohey
19:44:03Renou were on yesterday
19:44:05Renoright?
19:44:18Renoremember me?
19:44:51Renoi still need help with changing the bockrop or theme on my ipod.
19:45:02Renocan u please help?
19:45:35Renoif u'r not busy...
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19:46:26Renoi think the person who just logged in was here yesterday too
19:46:36Reno: )
19:46:41Renoso can uhelp?
19:46:52Nico_PReno: what is causing you trouble ?
19:47:10Renoi dont reall know how to change the theme
19:47:28Renoi donlaoed the one called twilight
19:47:42Renobut its a lot of folderss not just 1
19:47:59Renowhich am i supposed to use?
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19:48:53Renohey u guy's aren't busy are u ......i mean i can just comw back later...
19:49:17mkiwhat are the folders called?
19:49:22Nico_PReno: where did you download the theme ?
19:49:25Renolet me check
19:49:59Renooh i downloaded theme frome a link u guy's gave me yesterday
19:50:33spiorfReno, if are folders like backdrops, wps, fonts,themes, just unpack them in the .rockbox folder
19:50:45Renoi did
19:51:07Renoare those folders suppesed to be in the folder called backdrops?
19:51:22Renoor are suppesed to be in tyhe folder called themes?
19:51:30spiorfno, there is .rockbox
19:51:42spiorfin that one there are all the others
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19:51:51spiorfall backdrops in one folder
19:52:00spiorfall fonts in another
19:52:06spiorfand so on
19:52:22Renoi know but are the themes i downloaded supposed to be in the folder called backrops
19:52:25Nico_PReno: you just unzip to the root directroy of your player
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19:52:30Renooh
19:52:32Renook
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19:52:39Renolet me try that thanks
19:58:28Renook thanks i'm dont now let me see how it looks or if it worked
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20:00:08RenoHoly Shit That"+
20:00:15Renonoy me
20:00:18Renonot me
20:00:32Renosorry my friend typed that
20:00:43Renohe a lame
20:00:46Reno...
20:01:19Renohey do u guys no what i can use to make my pc read gameboy games?
20:01:31Renoif u do can u please tell me?
20:02:05GodEater_Reno: could you try to use proper english please - we occasionally get blind users in here who have to use screen readers, and all your "net speak" is confusing for them
20:02:57Renook sorry
20:03:14Renobrb
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20:05:04Renosorry i closed out the wrong window.
20:05:22Renoare you guy's still here?
20:06:51Renoshould i just go right ahead and ask my question?
20:09:18Renook? i guess nobody's on.
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20:10:30*idnar cringes
20:11:47GodEater_he makes a good case for turning themes into tarballs mind you
20:12:03pixelmanext time he's on someone should point him to the first link in the topic...
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20:15:02mkiReno, read the topic, and if you have questions, ask
20:15:33Renohi i'm about to go but before i got another question. If i'm looking for games to downlaod for rockbox what would i have to look for?
20:16:18Renolike what kind of games are there for rockbox? examples please?
20:17:05Renoi'm goona be here for like 10 min. so i want to know where or what kinds of games i can get?
20:17:45DomonokyReno: read the manual !
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20:18:24Renoyeah i did i even printed all 145 pages of it
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20:19:19Renosorry about that?
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20:19:29Renoi read the manual.
20:19:41Renoi even printed out all 146 pages out.
20:19:51Domonokyso you know which games are there.. why do you ask ?
20:20:01GodEater_so you know that all the games that exist for Rockbox come with it.
20:20:09pixelmathere is a whole chapter about plugins - one part being "games"...
20:20:28Renoi know but they told me yesterday that there where more games
20:20:46Renoand that it could have "gameboy" games
20:21:05Renobut i just dont get that.
20:21:44Renothey told me to look on google for games for rockbox but i can't find any and i really dont know what to look for.
20:22:00GodEater_I suspect "they" told you to look for games for gameboy actually
20:22:03AloneaReno: you take a rom file for gameboy games and all the other games automatically come with rockbox
20:22:21AloneaReno: only thing you have to get is gameboy roms and the doom files.
20:23:09Renook what is a gameboy "ROM" thats the part i dont get?
20:23:47mkifile images of the gameboy games
20:23:50GodEater_it's a file, it contains data from a gameboy cartridge
20:24:27Renook? does that mean i have to copy that "from" the gamboy catrige?
20:24:45GodEater_unless google invents a way for you to download physical objects, then no
20:24:48AloneaReno: file types are .gb and .gbc (gameboy and gameboy color) you can get it from cartidge or get them illegally, though there are some legal roms out there.
20:26:34Renoi know u guys told me that yesterday but how i s my pc supposed to read the cartidge or where can i downloaod them?
20:26:44GodEater_you don't download a cartridge
20:26:45Renoand how is that illegal?
20:26:47GodEater_you download a file
20:26:49GodEater_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROM_image
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20:27:10GodEater_someone has already DONE the copying from the cartridge, and they save it as a ROM image
20:27:21Renowhat is legal and what is illegal where camn i get legal or illegal games?
20:27:22GodEater_as Alonea says, it's usually a .gb or .gbc ile
20:27:26Renooh
20:27:29Renook
20:27:37GodEater_we do NOT tell people where to get them from
20:27:41GodEater_use google
20:27:49Renoso then i look for the roms and download them?
20:28:24GodEater_I could have sworn that's what we've said like 5 times now
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20:29:08Renojust 1 more thing so i can leave... say that u are goin to dowload a game in google what would you search for?
20:29:15Renowhat would you type/
20:29:17Reno?
20:29:22Renoif it was you?
20:30:06Aloneayou are looking for gameboy roms
20:30:15Renook : )
20:30:30Renothats all i wanted to know thank you!! : )
20:31:19Renobye thanks for the info!! : )
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20:31:36*GodEater_ votes once more for doom / rockboy removal
20:32:56linuxstbWhy? ;)
20:33:06Domonokyit would be even better to only remove it in the binary build :-) (so devs can play )
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20:40:21amiconnlinuxstb: Is your question from this morning still unanswered?
20:41:09linuxstbI didn't spot an answer.
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20:41:28LearStrange... Sim fails loading the AAC codec for the first track, but it works for the second...
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20:42:36amiconnlinuxstb: ide_power_enable() is for switching the hdd power pin on targets which support it, while ata_enable() is for switching the ata buffers on targets with a separate usb<->ata bridge
20:43:03linuxstbAh, so ata_enable() is irrelevant for PP targets?
20:43:15amiconnWhen enabling usb, the firmware needs to hand over hdd control to the usb bridge, meaning that the cpu needs to disconnect from the ata bus
20:43:26amiconnyes
20:43:53spahijaIs it just me or Rockbox is not stable on Ipod 3Gen
20:44:53linuxstbspahija: I've never seen Rockbox on the 3rd gen, but it's not a very well developed target, so it wouldn't surprise me if there are issues.
20:44:54spahijait just locks up when I try to go from one "menu" to anothe
20:44:59mkidefault builds arent stable on my mini 1g either
20:45:22mkithe... frequency scaling disabled builds work, but eat battery quite nicely :P
20:45:27spahijalinuxstb, so its "alpha" version ?
20:46:24linuxstbamiconn: I assumed from ata.c that ide_power_enable() was the right function to implement - I added code to toggle the "IDE0" bit in DEV_EN, and it doesn't break anything, but I'll have to do some runtime tests to see if it's actually helping.
20:47:03linuxstbspahija: Well, ipods are probably the least stable of all Rockbox targets, and the 3rd gen is the least stable ipod...
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20:47:43linuxstbspahija: Mainly due to lack of developers, and lack of users providing feedback.
20:47:57spahijalinuxstb, sorry to hear that, I like rockbox very much
20:48:08amiconnlinuxstb: Measuring voltage at the hdd power pin should tell you whether it works...
20:48:11Rob24I put some roms on my ipod and i was woundering if there was any way to actuky save your progress on a game
20:48:14spahijalinuxstb, anything I can do to help ?
20:48:21Rob24*actualy
20:48:31linuxstbamiconn: I have no equipment for that.
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20:49:55spahijalinuxstb, is it possible to get a debug trace on it ?
20:50:11spahijato figure out why its locking up ?
20:50:29amiconnRob24: rockboy auto-saves of exit afaik
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20:51:04Rob24well how to I actuly exit a rom tyo get back to the main screen without restarting my ipod
20:51:08pixelmaRob24: what player do you have/ did you find a hint to the gameboy menu in the manual for your player?
20:51:16Rob24I have ipod video 5g
20:51:50pixelmahttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1710008.3.3
20:52:02Rob24like i go to files then gayboy or gameboyroms or soemthing then it shows the list of my games
20:52:10linuxstbspahija: Not really. Are you familiar with C ?
20:52:18pixelmarockboy menu it's called...
20:52:31spahijalinuxstb, I am sorry to say I am not ...but could do some testing
20:53:14PaulJamHi, could someone test if the archive of the bleeding edge for h300 is broken?
20:53:49linuxstbspahija: dan_a has done all the 3rd gen development so far, and is the only dev who owns a 3rd gen. But I'm not sure if he's still working on it...
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20:54:40spahijalinuxstb, so you are trying to say that 3g is not even a priority at all :D
20:54:57linuxstbspahija: People generally only work on devices they own...
20:55:17spahijalinuxstb, true..
20:55:32pixelmaPaulJam: I also get "not a valid zip file"
20:55:43spahijalinuxstb, when dan_a is usually here ?
20:56:06spahijasince he is so silent at the moment
20:56:23spahijadan_a, are you there m8 ?
20:56:33PaulJampixelma: thanks for testing.
20:57:01linuxstbspahija: He's normally around quite often, but has been unusually quiet for the last few weeks.
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20:58:26PaulJamah, the dayly build for h300 is ok
20:58:39spahijalinuxstb, testing his latest build... hope this one is more stable
20:59:12Rob24how do you exit a rom without restarting your ipod?
20:59:55pixelmaRob24: there's also a "quit" option in the rockboy menu...
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21:00:19Rob24where do i locate the option?
21:00:43spahijawow much more stable
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21:01:26spahijaspoke to soon :(
21:01:31Rob24like how do i get to the menu whial playing the rom
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21:01:40pixelmaRob24: please read the manual - I already gave you the link to the correct section of the manual above
21:02:10Rob24i did but what it saids wont work
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21:03:18linuxstbspahija: You could try some of the older builds from here, see if there's any difference - http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipod3g
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21:04:03spahijalinuxstb, is there one spec thats more stable then other, coz latest are unusable
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21:04:18Rob24a ha, it works now
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21:04:38Rob24it works now
21:05:05mutantpineapplei don't want to sound like a disgruntled schoolboy, but i've tried to run several doom wads on several builds and never got one working :(
21:05:14mutantpineappleis this a common problem?
21:05:38linuxstbNot even the standard shareware Doom wad?
21:05:46mutantpineapplenope
21:06:01linuxstbThen no, it's not a common problem.
21:06:12mutantpineapplethe menu just hangs until i can find a paperclip to operate the reset button
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21:07:18*Domonoky updated his rbutil patch.. linuxstb`s comments are now integrated :-)
21:07:36*linuxstb forgot what he said...
21:07:43Domonoky:-)
21:08:04Domonokytabs in the mainwindow, and early selection of the device.
21:08:15LearI had to patch the wad I had...
21:09:11spahijais there an alternative software that can play ogg besides rockbox ?
21:09:44mkiipodlinux with mpd, but its not very polished...
21:10:07spahijamki is it stable to be used daily ?
21:11:10mkii cant remember where exactly it stumbled for me, but... no
21:11:13PaulJamthis is maybe a stupid question, but in which category would a bug with the filebrowser belong on flyspray?
21:11:37linuxstbPaulJam: What's the bug?
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21:12:24PaulJamthe list title is sometimes wrong, it shows "files" instead of the folder name
21:12:55linuxstbI would say User Interface.
21:13:00Rob24right now there is only one thing still bugging me, i cant figur out pacbox, like im looking at it at http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1710008.3.3 but not sure how to set it up
21:13:39LearMe too.
21:13:55Lear(Regarding the bug category...)
21:14:12PaulJamlinuxstb: thanks (i didn't see that you can scroll in the selection and thought this category was removed)
21:15:48linuxstbRob24: You need a copy of the ROMs from the Pacman arcade machine. No-one here will tell you where to get them (at least not in this channel).
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21:16:41Rob24s**t....
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21:17:12Rob24like im reading http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1710008.3.3 but having no luck
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21:21:47Rob24know any one that would tell me?
21:22:53linuxstbMr G. Oogle would probably know.
21:23:49Nico_PDomonoky: I get some build errors with your patch
21:23:53Rob24i serched google but so far having no luck
21:24:08Domonokyi think i missed two files.. :-)
21:24:11Domonokywill fix :-)
21:24:19mutantpineapplelinuxstb: as a rule, i don't trust people who can point an arrow on a map to where i live
21:25:52Rob24i found a rom with like 4 diff files in it.. do i need all four?
21:25:52jhMikeSlinuxstb: was swcodec good on threads or does mpegplayer use all the slots up?
21:26:22linuxstbjhMikeS: IIRC, I had to increase the number of threads.
21:27:27linuxstbRob24: You need the 6 files listed in the manual...
21:27:27jhMikeSso it's at the limit now? to have all this seeking work, I really don't want the audio thread handling UI. it'll just be too messy.
21:27:39linuxstbSo you want one more thread?
21:27:56jhMikeSyeps
21:28:13linuxstbI think the targets with remote LCDs need the most threads - for the remote scroll thread.
21:28:37Rob24sh** i need 5e and 5f still >.>
21:29:07jhMikeSok. I'll need Audio, Video, Buffer, and UI I think.
21:29:10Rob24where can i find them?
21:29:27linuxstbWhat about doing UI in the video thread? Or is that going to be too troublesome on the dual-core targets?
21:29:37DomonokyRob24: same answer as bevor..:-) google
21:29:43Rob24kk
21:30:02mutantpineappleRob24: puckman.zip?
21:30:02jhMikeSI really don't want the worker threads involved in any way...they really should just worry about their own stream or it's too twisted
21:30:50linuxstbOK, I've just got a natural dislike of threads... But I trust you to do the right thing.
21:30:56jhMikeSand trying to do that with the COP isn't possible anyway without lots of locking and sync
21:31:13*jhMikeS loves threads and lots of async stuff :)
21:31:47linuxstbI guess 3 or 4 threads isn't going to make any difference...
21:32:10jhMikeSMy tendency is to prefer what is simpler _and_ meets the needs really.
21:32:48jhMikeSThe buffering might be usuable in the core. It should be able to play forward and reverse and doesn't use any wrapping.
21:33:04Rob24yah find the last 2 i need, now it should work
21:33:09Nico_PDomonoky: still build errors with the new patch
21:33:10Rob24*yah FOUND
21:33:41linuxstbjhMikeS: So I take it there's a seeking commit coming up in the near future?
21:33:43DomonokyNico_P: will have to patch my self a fresh tree an test .-)
21:34:10Rob24yah it works, g2g thanks for the help guys
21:34:12linuxstbDomonoky: I get "rbutilFrm.h:59: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'DeviceSelectorCtrl' with no type"
21:34:14jhMikeSAs near as possible. It really needs division into logical parts first.
21:34:37linuxstbYou mean splitting mpegplayer.c ?
21:35:06jhMikeSyes which should keep it manageable and readable
21:35:24linuxstbYes, I should have done that before committing the first audio support.
21:36:13jhMikeSAt least I came across the needed info so that I won't have to guess about anything MPEG related :)
21:37:06linuxstbThe ISO documents?
21:37:17jhMikeSyes
21:40:40linuxstbDomonoky: BTW, could you start putting version numbers in your patches? I get confused....
21:41:39Domonoky:-)
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21:50:05*Domonoky updated the patch, now it should be good..
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21:57:55Domonokya win32 binary of this rbutil version: domonoky/rbutil.zip">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip
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22:02:01fm2markun: here?
22:02:58linuxstbDomonoky: I've found one big bug - the auto-detection works, but if you then try and do something (e.g. view themes, install bootloader), it does it for whatever device was last selected manually in the drop-down, not the device currently shown as auto-detected.
22:03:30Nico_PDomonoky: I got build erroes
22:03:37Nico_Perrors*
22:04:08Domonokylinuxstb: ups, will fix..
22:04:16linuxstbNico_P: Did you delete the files added by the previous version of the patch?
22:04:29DomonokyNico_P: with the last patch ? on a clean tree ?
22:04:41linuxstbI had a problem with a new file containing the same contents twice...
22:05:06linuxstbBut it was my fault for not cleaning properly.
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22:06:25Nico_POK yes now it works... I just deleted the whole rbutil dir and did "svn up" :)
22:06:41Nico_Phmm, nice
22:06:50Domonoky:-)
22:07:23linuxstbYes, it's looking much nicer now. Although it feels out of proportion...
22:07:37Nico_Plinuxstb: talking about the rockbox logo ?
22:08:02linuxstbThe whole screen. I guess the two buttons at the bottom look squashed.
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22:10:54Nico_PDomonoky: the new theme dialog is cool, but the progressbar is a bit annoying
22:13:02Domonokywhich progressbar ? the downloading ?
22:13:08Nico_PDomonoky: yes
22:13:36Nico_PDomonoky: and I suppose you are aware that the controls could do with some resizing
22:14:32Domonokyyes, especially in the theme dialog, but i dont know to much about wxwidgets.. :-)
22:14:48LearHad a look at rbutil (for the first time). When I went to the "Install theme" page, it didn't show any "Ok" and "Cancel" buttons, which was a bit confusing. Resizing the window a little made them show.
22:15:00LearCan't easily repeat it though...
22:15:12DomonokyLear: yes i know this..
22:15:16LearAh.
22:15:47Nico_PI would've loved seeing rbutil in Qt :)
22:15:55Domonokythe problem is that the controls can differ much in size, and i dont know how to proper resize a window in wxwidgets..
22:16:21DomonokyQt would make it easier.. :-) so if you start a port.. i will help :-)
22:16:23LearDoesn't wxwidgets have decent layout managers?
22:16:44DomonokyLear: it has, but i dont know to much about wxWidgets..
22:17:11Nico_PDomonoky: I know absolutly nothing about Qt or wxWidgets or even C++
22:17:16LearGood, it can be fixed then... :)
22:17:37Nico_PI was just saying that because I'm a KDE user and GTK is kinda weird in a KDE env :)
22:17:46Lear(Without ugly, manual layout code...)
22:18:13Learnico_p: ditto for Gnome users and QT.
22:18:23DomonokyLear: i think so ..
22:18:26Nico_PDomonoky: is it normal that "install rbutil on device" fails ?
22:18:45Nico_PLear: gnome users should switch :p
22:19:27Domonokyyes, this function is broken, i dont know why, i think because i dont use the installer which was originally used ?
22:19:37Nico_Pof course I don't actually mean that... the best would be a unified toolkit. Hasn't it been started ?
22:21:59BagderNico_P: they will never unify
22:22:37Domonokya port of wxWidgets to Qt/KDE widgets would be nice, just like wxGTK :-)
22:22:42Nico_PBagder: why's that ?
22:22:55Nico_PDomonoky: that would indeed be very cool
22:23:02BagderNico_P: mostly because Qt is a commercial product
22:23:03Nico_Pfor us at least
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22:23:29Nico_PBagder: from my limited understanding, that issue was resolved some time ago
22:23:42Bagderthe license issue, sure
22:23:47Bagderbut Qt is still a commercial product
22:24:01Renohey it's reno i'm back here is my question:
22:24:18Bagderso there won't be any will from Trolltech to unite with GTK - at least that's what I suspect
22:24:20Nico_PBagder: ah and this is enough to make some people be against using Qt ?
22:24:22Renocan i put gameboy advance games on rockbox?
22:24:25Nico_Pah
22:24:32linuxstbReno: No.
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22:24:40Renoor nintendo ds games?
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22:24:48DomonokyReno: no, and read and Understand teh manual :-)
22:24:51Renoas long as i have the roms?
22:24:56Nico_PBagder: but I think I remember reading about a project that would allow applications to run on both
22:25:08Bagdertoo long time has passed and too much efforts have been put into the projects now, I really don't see how a united one will be a good idea
22:25:10AceNik_can anyone tell me which books can i learn arm assembly from
22:25:29BagderNico_P: I bet you can make some kind of layer that would run in both, sure
22:25:50mkigtk+ is lgpl, qt is gpl...
22:25:51Renoso i cant put nintendo ds games or the "roms" on rockbox?
22:26:10linuxstbReno: No.
22:26:14mkimeaning you cant use qt in closed source stuff without paying trolltech
22:26:44Renook?
22:27:25Renocan i create my own theme for rockbox? yes right? what program do i have to use? or do i have to use a certain program?
22:27:48scorcheReno: a text editor works fine
22:28:03Renook like which one?
22:28:20Renowhich one do you guy's use?
22:28:28Bagderemacs!
22:28:31*Bagder giggles
22:28:38scorchewe use a bunch of different ones ;)
22:28:42Nico_PBagder: do you use it ?
22:28:46Bagderyes
22:28:57Bagderevery day since 1991
22:29:10*scorche sighs at Bagder
22:29:10*Lear was waiting for preglow to jump in just there...
22:29:11Renook? which one is the best one? or which one do u think i should use?
22:29:15Nico_Pnot too surprising for a grumpy old man :)
22:29:28Domonokyif somebody has a suggestion how to deal better with the resizing controls in the Themepage of rbutil.. please say something.. :-)
22:29:31scorcheReno: there is no best one...just pick one and use it
22:29:32Bagdernow now, watch out for my cane when I swing at you
22:29:36LearHm, my first contact with Emacs was around '91...
22:29:45Nico_PBagder: do you actually use it in a term ?
22:29:55Bagdermostly not
22:30:02Bagderemacs has worked in X since about '91 too
22:30:07Renoyeah but i dont think that i know oh any tesxt editors
22:30:24DomonokyReno: notepad :-)
22:30:31Renooh
22:30:32Renokk
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22:30:38Renothank you
22:31:01Renodoes it show u how to make one in the manual?
22:32:02DomonokyReno: look in the manual / Wiki or at other Themes..
22:32:35Renook...what does Wiki mean again?
22:33:19Domonokyhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
22:33:36Renothanks
22:35:16Renojust one more thing do you guy's have any more games for rockbox? If you do can you give me a link of where i can download them please?
22:35:57scorcheReno: i told you about this before..
22:36:26Renoyou did?
22:37:08scorchewell, i suppose it could have been another person, but point is, this channel is about rockbox...not gameboy games....that questions is off-topic here
22:37:13scorche-s
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22:38:29Renoyeah but what i'm trying to ask is if does rockbox have any more games to download? ecxept for doom. : )
22:38:45BagderReno: there are lots of game plugins
22:38:56scorchewhat works with it, comes with it
22:39:01scorchei suggest you read the manual
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22:39:14Renocan you please give me a link?
22:39:24scorchewww.rockbox.org
22:39:39Renook thank you. : )
22:39:43RenoBye
22:40:33scorcheSoap: there?
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22:46:25scorchei do love how the "Dj" in the user list attempts to use big words, but cant spell them
22:47:18Renohey wheni use the mpeg player on rockbox why does the sound go faster than the video?
22:47:52scorcheenable frame skip
22:47:58Renoo
22:48:00Renook
22:48:03Renothanks
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22:48:21scorchempegplayer is a work in progress though, so dont get offended if it doesnt work perfectly
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22:49:15Renono its ok i can still switch my ipod back to normal and watch the videos there!
22:49:35Renowhy would i be offended?
22:49:57Renou guy's are the ones doing all the work creating stuff like this.
22:50:12scorchesome people are odd..
22:50:36Renooh lol
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22:51:40Renoi heard that people can give anipod more memory...is that true? does that count as a rockbox question?
22:51:56Psy87could somebody help me, i'm trying to convert my ipod to FAT32
22:54:54Psy87???
22:55:02linuxstbWhat's the problem?
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22:55:48Renocan somebody give me a link to download more themes for rockbox i cant seem to find them in the site or in the manual.
22:56:03Renoplease
22:56:14scorcheReno: enter rockbox themes into google
22:56:21Renook
22:56:27Renothanks
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22:56:32Renobye
22:56:48Psy87i have to download the required files discribed in step 1a and 1b, but there are no files in the manual
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22:56:57scorchereally...try and make an attempt to find stuff before asking in here...
22:57:05*scorche snaps his fingers
22:58:34Psy87i only want to know which are the required files... i dont have a pc to do it the easy way
22:59:07linuxstbPsy87: You're right, that page doesn't make any sense... I think you can just ignore that first sentence in step a)
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22:59:39Psy87ok, thank you, so the ipodpatche is the only file i need to convert?
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23:00:23linuxstbYou don't even need that - unless you have a video ipod and are unsure if it's a 2048 or 512 byte sector ipod.
23:01:12linuxstbThose instructions were extracted from an old version of the install instructions, and haven't been adapted properly for standalone use...
23:01:54webguest09Pls, i need help
23:02:16Psy87well ok, so what should be my first step?
23:02:52webguest09i just install rockbox on my ipod video 30G and it stay freeze at the aplle logo at the start
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23:03:21webguest09what should i do?
23:04:30webguest09i reset it lots of time but it do nothing
23:04:45linuxstbPut it into disk mode, connect to your PC and finish the install.
23:04:56webguest09i cant open it
23:05:06webguest09and my comp dont see it wen i connect it
23:05:16webguest09it stock at the apple logo
23:05:28linuxstbYou need to put your ipod into disk mode.
23:05:41webguest09how?
23:05:42Psy87ok, my sektor size is 512bytes
23:06:06linuxstbwebguest09: http://www.google.com/search?q=disk+mode
23:06:30linuxstbPsy87: Do you know the disk device assigned to your ipod? e.g. /dev/disk1 ?
23:06:39webguest09nop
23:06:44Psy87disk2s3
23:07:15linuxstbOK, /dev/disk2 is the device. (disk2s3 is the current HFS partition on that disk)
23:07:17Psy87thats what disk utility sasy
23:07:24Psy87ah ok
23:08:05webguest09thx a lot men!!
23:08:23webguest09ok now that it is in disk mode i go where?
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23:09:02linuxstbPsy87: So the "dd" command you need will be "dd if=mbr-video30gb.bin of=/dev/disk2" (assuming you have the 30GB video)
23:09:16linuxstbwebguest09: Did you download and extract rockbox.zip ?
23:09:18webguest09i wright it where?
23:09:23webguest09yup
23:09:28webguest09i extract it
23:09:34linuxstbTo your ipod?
23:09:35Psy87where should i save the table file?
23:09:40webguest09no
23:09:48webguest09ill put it on my ipod
23:10:21linuxstbPsy87: Anywhere you want. But you need to be able to find it in the terminal. The easiest place will probably just be the Desktop.
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23:11:38webguest09ok im in the rockbox folder, now i click what?
23:12:01linuxstbYou don't click, you just extract the contents of the zip to your ipod, and you're done.
23:12:19webguest09thx a lot
23:12:21linuxstbYou may want to do the same thing with the fonts zip file.
23:12:36Psy87ok, done so far
23:12:50linuxstbHave you done the "dd" ?
23:13:31Psy87yes, know just erase using disk utility, right?
23:13:53linuxstbYes. Or just type "newfs_msdos -F32 -v iPod /dev/rdisk2s2"
23:14:29Psy87ok, terminal is already open :)
23:14:52linuxstbIt's easier than all that messing around with the mouse...
23:15:45Psy87yes, an it looks like you know how to handle with the terminal
23:16:01***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:17:00Psy87now its FAT32 :) thank you very much
23:17:47linuxstbOK, now make sure the original Apple firmware is still working on your ipod, and if so, install Rockbox.
23:18:18Psy87yes it does "Do not disconnect" is still blinking
23:18:52linuxstbI mean disconnect and check the original menus appear OK.
23:19:59Psy87yes, the appear
23:20:03Psy87they*
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23:24:47Psy87hm, the apple logo doesnt go away
23:25:48linuxstbDid you extract rockbox.zip to youripod?
23:26:15Psy87-.-
23:26:41linuxstbRead back and see what I just said to webguest09....
23:26:59Psy87yes, i know, thank you
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23:31:18Psy87logo still doesnt disappear
23:31:37linuxstbWhat did you do?
23:32:05Psy87i copied the folder .rockbox to my ipod an restarted it
23:32:39linuxstbThe folder definitely started with a "." ?
23:32:48Psy87yes
23:33:08linuxstbAnd inside there is a rockbox.ipod file (amongst other things) ?
23:33:10Psy87but i take e 2nd look
23:33:48linuxstbA common problem on Macs is that you'll get a "rockbox" folder, with a ".rockbox" folder inside, and that ".rockbox" folder will be hidden by default in Finder...
23:34:55Soapscorche: pong.
23:34:58Psy87he didnt copy it, but i see all hidden files an i dont have this problem, i restart again
23:37:00Psy87ok, it finally works :) thank you a lot
23:37:31linuxstbYou're welcome.
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23:44:26Rob24When you play a rom and you save there are 5 slots, are those 5 slots for that game or for ALL of the roms you have
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23:44:45LeetlandonHey.
23:45:07LeetlandonIs it possible to make a patch for rockboy so I can listen to music whisl playing?
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23:46:34alienbiker99what player do you have
23:47:14linuxstbLeetlandon: You already can on the gigabeat, on other players, you can't because the CPU isn't powerful enough to do both things at once.
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23:49:00LeetlandonShux.
23:49:14LeetlandonWell, can I enable it anyways, or will it crash?
23:51:42linuxstbIn theory you could. You'll need to disable the use of IRAM in Rockboy as that stops audio playback.
23:52:18Rob24IS there any way to cusomize a snes controllar to plug into the head phone jack of my ipod video? I heard that the head phone jack is is a serial port
23:52:38Rob24aswell
23:52:45linuxstbNo, the headphone jack is a headphone jack... There is a serial port in the dock connector.
23:53:13 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox")
23:53:20linuxstbEarlier ipods had a separate serial port jack next to the headphone jack.
23:53:48Rob24kk, so if you did want to make a custom controllar would it be possible with the dock conector?
23:54:31linuxstbIn theory. You would have to write the drivers for Rockbox as well.
23:55:24Rob24ic
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23:56:01Rob24also for doom if i wnat to play doom one do i only need the doom1.wad? or do i need more then 1 .wad?
23:57:47*Nico_P wonders why the build system hasn't compiled the latest revision

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