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#rockbox log for 2007-04-27

00:00:07Rob24having ddr on you ipod isnt usless!=O
00:00:14Topy44hm... well :)
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00:00:42*Topy44 imagines someone stomping around rhythmicly on ipods
00:00:44*Topy44 likes that idea :)
00:01:32scorchewell, a simon plugin would be quite similar and could have both original simon and ddr modes, i suppose
00:02:28Rob24hmmm
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00:05:10Rob24durring the summer is any one gonna optamize the code so that roms run more smoothly on ipods?
00:05:51Topy44actually, porting over some more emulators would be a nice thing
00:05:59Topy44...but someone would have to do it, so... :)
00:06:14Topy44(for example, a game gear emulator would be nice)
00:06:16scorchefor GSoC, no, but you never know who might do what over any time
00:06:20Rob24yah
00:06:34Rob24and make my roms run without being sluggish
00:07:05scorchehaha...gamegear...that thing could drain 6 AAs in a matter of hours
00:08:25Rob24S**t i wish my zubat had soemthing besides leach blood and bide
00:08:42miner49eris there an API function to write debug in the simulator (I've asked this before but forgot...oops)
00:08:55Rob24idk O_O
00:09:05scorcheRob24: try to sitck to rockbox related topic in here please
00:09:05linuxstbminer49er: DEBUGF - use it like printf
00:10:15miner49eroh cheers, man
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00:11:45Rob24I dont think rock box needs a game gear emulator but an SNES emulator
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00:12:47scorchei dont think rockbox needs any emulator or even doom for that matter, but that is just me...and quite a few others ;)
00:13:33AloneaRob24: I don't think the mp3 players can handle SNES. not to mention button availability.
00:13:37Rob24who would ever think that? your on a 15 hour plane ride to china and what do you do? not play doom or game boy games your portabale media device!
00:13:38scorches/i dont think rockbox needs/rockbox doesnt *nned* ;)
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00:14:00scorcheRob24: then get a gameboy...not a digital sudio player...
00:14:10scorcheaudio
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00:14:47My_Sichie every body
00:14:55Rob24hey
00:15:16scorcheyou will get better battery life, better efficiency, and better button arrangement....and a device that is actually designed around game playing instead of playing audio
00:15:16My_Sicplease someone can help me
00:15:27Rob24depends what is you problem?
00:15:32My_Sici just update my ipod, and he don't want to play any file
00:15:53linuxstbWhat happens?
00:16:02My_Sici delete all the file, reset the config (by hold during start)
00:16:07My_Sic"data abort "
00:16:12Rob24mmm odd, i just got the new update for my video and its all good
00:16:31AloneaRob24: the processor requirements for snes and gameboy advance is above what the players have. I am happy it does what it does at this point. My gigabeat never had video before this and now it does. These guys are amazing programmers and have put in a LOT of hard work for this project. They have come a looonnng way from when it started
00:16:33My_Sici have a 60go 5G
00:16:36linuxstbMy_Sic: Sounds like you need to update your bootloader
00:16:51My_Sichum
00:16:55linuxstbI assume it's been a few months since you last updated Rockbox?
00:17:02My_Sicyes
00:17:08My_Sicsince october or december
00:17:16scorcheAlonea: let alone all of the graphics specific hardware in them
00:17:34linuxstbMy_Sic: The bootloader install is very easy now - just download ipodpatcher.exe and double-click on it. Instructions and links are in the manual.
00:17:43My_Sicis it easy to update the bootloader and safety ?
00:17:49My_Sicok
00:17:59My_Sici will try
00:18:06Aloneascorche: that too. but definitely kudos to the programmers of rockbox.
00:18:06linuxstbUpgrading is the same as installing for the first time.
00:18:49My_Sicyes but i haven't install any bootloader, rockbox was installed when i buy my ipod
00:19:06My_Sicwhere can i find the bootloader ?
00:19:07Rob24you got a used ipod?
00:19:11My_Sicyes
00:19:27linuxstbMy_Sic: The bootloaders are inside ipodpatcher.exe - you don't have to download them separately.
00:19:32My_Sicof course, i think it will not be tomorow that apple sell ipod whith rockbox
00:19:42Rob24the only time i would buy a used ipod was if i was gonna crack it open and mod it
00:20:07My_Sicyes but its an used ipod but only 1month
00:20:14My_Sicvery not used
00:20:15My_Siclike new
00:20:43Rob24hmm
00:21:23My_Sicwhere can i find this ipodpatcher.exe ?
00:21:39Rob24did you delete everything and download the latest ipod driver?
00:21:41linuxstbMy_Sic: Read the install section in the manual.
00:23:25Rob24i would just completly wipe you ipod then get the newest drive rthen just reinstall rock box
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00:24:28linuxstbRob24: Why should My_Sic wipe his ipod?
00:27:51My_Sicperfect, it's working
00:27:55My_Sicyour the best
00:28:36Rob24yah i agree with my_sic on that Linuxstb ;P
00:28:55My_Siclol
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00:32:26Rob24i wish i could personaly thank the developement team of rock box
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00:34:15scorchewell, there are 2 devcons coming up ;)
00:35:48Rob24are then in ontario canada?
00:35:55scorchenope
00:36:04Rob24well i cant go then XD
00:36:13scorchethen keep wishing ;)
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00:36:39Rob24maybe when im older...
00:40:52My_Sicold wps not working. Do they have something to do to can use it ?
00:41:25Rob24wps for what?
00:41:39scorchewell, it is hard to say since it is so old, but you can see if there is an updated version to download
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00:42:59My_Sicmany have no update
00:43:49Rob24if they r old and have no update then it depends on what they do, and if they dont do anything then whats the point if having them?
00:44:18scorcheMy_Sic: you will probably have better results asking the question in the WPS and Customization forum
00:45:20scorcheMy_Sic: not sure if this is your only problem, but this is one change that must be done http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=4d99c33878af889747885bcf4ff5df1e&topic=10074.0
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00:46:16My_Sicok th
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00:48:22MrSomeoneanyone here ever have a problem with 'long filename' error when copying files using explorer?
00:48:31My_Sicsorry, i find the error, just Vista fault, he don't now copy
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00:49:18scorcheMrSomeone: how is this related to rockbox?
00:49:25scorcheMy_Sic: i dont quite understand you
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00:50:03My_SicWindows Vista forgotten to copy many files, so themes can't work
00:50:37Rob24whast a must have rom for rock box?
00:51:39scorcheRob24: i believe there was a forum thread about that
00:53:13MrSomeonescorche: well when I tried to install rockbox (copying over the .rockbox dir) I got the same error, the way I got around it was putting the entire zip on the device (gigabeat f40) and then extracting it directly
00:54:59scorcheMrSomeone: yes, but that isnt soemthing to do with rockbox...that is something to do with the limitation of programs or the filesystem...anyway, was there a specific question you had with that besides the "anyone here..." one?
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00:55:35AloneaRob24: gameboy games? I am a harvest moon addict.
00:56:21MrSomeoneyes I'm aware of that, but I was asking to see if anyone else had seen a similar problem/resolution, because installing rockbox involves copying files over to that filesystem
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01:00:00scorcheMrSomeone: also, that has nothing to do with audio playback and playlists
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01:04:28scorcherotator: so pretty much any date would be good for you, correct?...and what is your thought on the location?
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01:05:09rotatorscorche: i hadn't really thought about it
01:05:27scorchewell, do and come back to me please ;)
01:05:46rotatorprobably any time starting June would be fine
01:05:51scorche(or the dev-ml works and maybe it will spur other people to discusson there instead of having that discussion be dead)
01:06:13scorchealright...any thoughts on location?
01:06:19rotatoryeah, I'll send an email
01:06:28scorchealright
01:06:37rotatorpreferably Chicago since that's close, though Vegas would be fine too
01:06:55scorchewell, the chicago option is pretty much dead....read my last mail
01:07:01rotatorah, ok
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01:16:54toffe82scorche: if you do it in Vegas, I can be there and bring my collection of toshiba gigabeat (F S and V) and tools to try to flash them ;)
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01:17:25scorchetoffe82: great!...add yourself to the wiki page then =)
01:17:32toffe82ok
01:17:52pearldiverhehe
01:18:10scorchethat pretty much cements vegas then...now to just finalize a date and hotel
01:18:16pearldiverno news on S?
01:18:36toffe82ptw419 broke is S :(
01:18:58pearldiverreally?
01:19:00pearldiverfor good?
01:19:16toffe82look the log from yesterday
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01:21:44pearldiveroh he has warranty on it, good
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01:26:22toffe82scorche: and I forgot a gigabeat X too
01:26:32toffe82:)
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01:27:46scorchetoffe82: bring whatever you wish! ;)
01:27:53scorchemore for us to play with
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01:34:14scorchewow...this is shaping up to be quite the gathering...any more people and i might have to jump for something bigger than just a suite =P
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01:36:22Soap there will be rockbox and hookers and blackjack...
01:36:38scorcheand booze...dont forget teh booze!
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01:37:18scorche.msg Soap and you in a french maid outfit
01:37:21scorcheuh oh...
01:37:35scorche;)
01:38:07Soapour little secret is out!
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01:44:39sasukehey some 1
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01:45:37sasukehey thoes the 5g i pod nano suports rockbox?
01:46:42scorchethe 5th gen and ipod nanos are totally separate units...what do you mean?
01:48:18Soapthe nanos which look like tiny 5th gens work (plastic front, shiny metal back) the nanos which are all one piece of matte finished anodized aluminum do not work, and probably won't for a while.
01:48:50scorcheif, ever
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01:49:24sasukeAWW man
01:49:30sasukeok thx
01:50:22SoapI can't believe I "bricked" my gigabeat and have to do the hot-plug-the-harddrive trick.
01:50:36Soapi feel like such a dumbass.
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01:52:55LloreanI'm impressed.
01:53:04LloreanForget a step somewhere while in a rush?
01:54:16Soapnewer build, older bootloader, no original firmware backup
01:54:48pearldiverformat it with the gigaroom?
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01:55:18pearldiveror what was the name of it's software
01:55:46pearldivergigabeat room i think it was
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01:58:32LloreanSoap: That doesn't require the trick
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01:58:36LloreanSoap: The bootloader has a USB mode.
01:58:49LloreanSoap: I actually did the same thing.
01:59:15LloreanIf you hold down Menu while booting, it goes into Bootloader "recovery mode" which is really just USB mode.
01:59:18scorcheLlorean: can you join community please?
01:59:34sasukeIPOD LINUX FTW!!! lol
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02:01:12pearldiverlol
02:01:57TrueJournalsumm... ok....
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02:02:37ZacharyBarnesI would like to add some info to the Rockbox Wiki about the Creative Zen Nano player, but I need write access first
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02:04:57ZacharyBarnesHow do I get write access?
02:06:02LloreanYou have it now
02:06:12ZacharyBarnesThank you
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02:10:39webguest67Hi, i was just playing a little bit with recording on a h300 and have a question about the agc feature.
02:11:51webguest67when i set it to voice (fast) the gain gets adjusted every 20 seconds in a step of 0.5dB. is this normal? it doesn't seem very fast to me.
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02:14:45webguest70hi i have a question. can anybody please tell me if rockbox can read gameboy advance ROMS?????
02:15:32webguest67no, only gameboy and gameboy colour games.
02:15:42webguest70oh
02:15:46webguest70so thats it
02:15:57webguest70not even regular game boy games?
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02:16:52webguest70ok thanks!
02:16:57webguest70see ya!
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03:58:39[steveo]ello anyone know a good program to convert dvd to avi?
03:59:06hcsthis really isn't the place for that question
03:59:31Soap[steveo]: http://doom9.org
04:00
04:00:05Soapbut hcs is 1000% correct. Last time I'll entertain your nightly off-topic question. ;)
04:00:42[steveo]hcs it is sort of its adjustiing file formats to play on rockbox
04:01:13TrueJournals[steveo]: But... you can't play avi using rockbox... so not really...
04:01:17[steveo]and from avi to >> winff.exe
04:01:21[steveo]lol
04:02:16[steveo]hmm the link didnt work
04:02:21Hammer89I use iRiverter to rip the dvd's to 220 by 176 res... then winff.exe to mpg... works perfectly for me
04:02:40[steveo]hmm nvm ignore that it just needed www =)
04:03:01Soapdang non-compliant sites
04:03:16TrueJournalswww is overrated
04:03:31annulus_gopher
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04:03:46Soapyes!
04:04:00TrueJournals:rolleyes:
04:04:37*scorche rolls his eyes at people who attempt to do actions without using /me
04:05:00annulus_/me is overrated
04:05:07*TrueJournals forgets about /me because he doesn't use IRC that much...
04:05:14BenjaminMilesHi everyone; Who do I ask for write permission (I've registered already and want to add my custom WPS)?
04:05:28annulus_its hard remember /me when your irc client is telnet
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04:05:32*scorche points to Soapas he is busy
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04:06:22*Soap rolls his eyes at people who forget where the space bar is
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04:06:41BenjaminMilesThanks. Soap −− May I have write permission on this name so I can add my WPS?
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04:06:49Soapone sec
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04:10:48Soapare you a spammer BenjaminMiles ?
04:11:16SoapDo you mean to disrupt wiki life through a series of increasingly grotesque page modifications?
04:11:29BenjaminMiles(Haha?) Nope.
04:11:41BenjaminMilesAnd no.
04:11:42*TrueJournals thinks that asking someone if they're a spammer is kind of... stupid....
04:11:43Soapthen it is done.
04:12:03*scorche thinks TrueJournals is kind of... stupid....
04:12:11*Soap thinks TrueJournals doesn't understand the subtle details of Soap's humor.
04:12:21TrueJournalsThanks
04:12:33*scorche thinks TrueJournals should give Soap his first-born as penance
04:12:43BenjaminMilesGreat, thankyou very much −− If you're interested/have the time, the WPS is "ShortCircuit" for the Gigabeat F port. Should have it up in a minute or two.
04:13:05Soapsoon as I fix my gigabeat!
04:13:13scorcheBenjaminMiles: please read WpsGallery before you post ;)
04:13:19SoapJohnny 5 is alive! ?
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04:13:45BenjaminMilesHaha, that was a subconcious inspiration, I think.
04:13:56*[steveo] looks around for some food
04:14:13BenjaminMilesGonna get to it, then studying for exams. Thanks again all.
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04:28:44JdGordon:'( anyone know wher ei put my sansa? i cant find it :'(
04:32:32scorcheyou check in the fridge
04:32:33scorche?
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07:16:13JdGordonscorche: the fridge? thats the last place id look
07:16:20JdGordonfound it between the couch cousins :)
07:16:22scorcheexactly!
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07:17:07scorcheoh...i put it in the fridge...someone must have moved it...
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07:17:46JdGordon:) na, i remembered in the car on the way to uni that i saw it on the couch last night befre going to bed... so i guessed it must be there somewehre
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08:38:13B4gdergreat, a new site for the mrobe100 port ;*]
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09:02:42EbErTWHY does itunes continue to use 14% of my cpu!
09:03:40peturbecause it is crap?
09:04:14EbErTthats one reason
09:04:14B4gderwasn't it Jobs who said "14% ought to be enough for everyone" ?
09:04:17B4gder:-P
09:04:20EbErTcan i have a more tangible reason?
09:04:21LinusN:-)
09:04:44LinusNEbErT: perhaps it is monitoring the attached devices and looks for an ipod
09:05:02EbErTargh macs are really suffering in this field cuz of itunes.. no option
09:05:08LinusNdoes itunes display ads?
09:05:29EbErTno linusN, no adds, ipod, store-anything
09:05:57scorcheit takes a lot to just sit there and look pretty
09:06:29EbErTwhen i had a laptop it drove me insane
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09:09:25rasher_Anyone have any idea about why crosscompiling the sim blows up? - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10152.0
09:11:17B4gderhm, panicf...
09:11:22B4gderwhen did it stop working?
09:12:22rasher_I honestly don't know - my last succesful build was the 12th, but it might be anything from there to the 21st or so
09:12:50B4gderin firmware/SOURCES the #ifdef for panic.c is #if !defined(WIN32) || defined(SDL) which seems weird
09:13:18rasher_Ah, well that's a hint...
09:13:54peturdidn't WIN32 get removed recently?
09:14:03rasher_It's the SDL sim
09:14:11rasher_Just compiled with mingw32
09:14:15amiconnThis #if line can be removed
09:14:18B4gderright, there's no win32 simulator anymore
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09:16:40B4gderi removed that one now
09:16:42rasher_But .. SDL ought to be defined
09:16:56B4gderyes
09:17:11rasher_I'll try building
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09:17:43rasher_That fixed it, though I'm not quite sure I understand why
09:18:00B4gderprobably because WIN32 _is_ defined when you crosscompile
09:18:19B4gderhm, or wait
09:18:25amiconnB4gder: It's || so it doesn't matter
09:19:02B4gderah, its rather the lack of SDL being defined now
09:19:13rasher_Ah, that's no longer defined?
09:19:18rasher_Well that should do it..
09:19:32amiconnB4gder: Did you remove that?
09:19:40B4gderI guess I did
09:20:14rasher_It all builds now, so that's great
09:21:17B4gderthe makefiles used the SIMVER variable so I kept that
09:21:31B4gderI tought I had removed all uses of the SDL variable, but apparently missed this
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09:23:53linuxstbB4gder: Some of the SUBDIR plugins still have the different Makefile sections for the different sims - I assume that should be cleaned?
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09:24:14B4gderyes indeed
09:24:28B4gdereven apps/Makefile have them left
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10:56:24pearldiverwow
10:56:31pearldivernew crazy gigabeat WPS
10:58:04markunwow :)
10:58:18pearldiveri just tried it
10:58:26pearldiverit looks crazy on the player
10:58:35pearldivera lot of details
10:59:33pearldiveris it just me or the peak meters even on gigabeat are a bit slow?
10:59:47markunnever really tried it
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11:00:20pearldiverwell try that WPS hehe
11:00:26pearldiverits worth trying
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11:28:57amiconnpearldiver: It's rather likely that peakmeters are slow on gigabeat. It has a huge display and afaik partial updates aren't implemented yet
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12:29:32cropmarkun: have you seen that fm2 tried to reach you yesterday? He's the author of the nimbus patch. But seems to live in another time plane
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12:32:10cropmarkun: ...since it's not the first time (I beleive)
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12:34:30markunyes, I see him in the logs only after I'm gone
12:34:46markunYou've bugged me enough and I will take a look at the patch now :)
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12:41:35markuncrop: sorry it took such a long time
12:45:14cropmarkun: you don't have to be sorry, I'm just an observer :-)
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13:36:14Mistahmastahhi all
13:39:16Mistahmastahi've got a problem. I want to uninstall rockbox from my ipod video, and when i deleted the /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod file and started the bootloader (just like the manual says), the bootloader can't find my ipod.
13:40:02Mistahmastahmy ipod won't start up anymore, and the only thing i see now is an apple logo. is there a possibility i can make my ipod work again?
13:42:15linuxstbThe manual doesn't say to run ipodpatcher and select the uninstall option?
13:43:40linuxstbYou need to force your ipod into disk mode (hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds to reboot, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY). Then run ipodpatcher
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14:10:36Mistahmastahthanks linuxstb!
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16:14:59[steveo]when useing winFF to convert avi's as suggested i got this msg
16:15:08[steveo]This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way.
16:15:14[steveo]Please contact the application's support team for more information.
16:15:18[steveo]any ideas?
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16:17:29linuxstbCan you tell if it's winff or ffmpeg causing that error?
16:19:05[steveo]"Abort at C:/msys/usrc/ffmpeg/ffmpeg.c:1589"
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16:19:52[steveo]Resampling with input channels greater than 2 unsupported.Can't resample. Abort
16:19:52[steveo]ing.
16:20:02[steveo]strange huh?
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16:20:23linuxstbOK, I've heard people say they have problems with the version of ffmpeg.exe that comes with winff - you could try finding an alternative version.
16:20:45[steveo]it worked fine with my other avi's
16:21:56ender`how do you know if ipod mini is 1st or 2nd gen?
16:22:13linuxstb2nd gen has the capacity written on the back and button labels the same colour as the case
16:22:35linuxstbOr just run ipodpatcher, and it will tell you.
16:23:05markun[steveo]: maybe your other avis have stereo sound?
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16:37:50cropI'd like to resume the discussion from yesterday about license issues. I've heard that every unit released under GPL must have a copyright note and that the copyright holder must be a clearly identifiable party (person?)
16:38:47cropBut bdf (font) files packaged with RB don't have such a statement. All I can see is "Public domain font. Share and enjoy." (I haven't analyzed them all)
16:42:41markuncrop: can't they be shipped with a GPL project in that case?
16:45:07GodEatermarkun: If they're in the public domain then yes
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16:45:58markuncan you release software with various parts using different licenses?
16:46:12dionoeaif those licenses allow it yes
16:46:27dionoea(GPL doesn't AFAIK)
16:46:29markunit would be nice for example if we could keep the BSD licensed codecs under that license including the changes we made to them
16:47:07markunbut maybe not everyone agrees with that
16:47:25dionoeait's up to the people who change the source code
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16:48:31GaloisBSD-noad is compatible with GPL
16:48:59Galoishttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html etc.
16:50:20intgr<dionoea> (GPL doesn't AFAIK)
16:50:37intgrGPL doesn't allow you to *link* to code with a more restrictive license.
16:51:10intgrBut it does not make any demands about packaging.
16:51:49dionoeaI interpreted "release software" to mean "1 app linked to a bunch of libs"
16:52:29intgrWell, "various parts" may mean multiple independent executables too.
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16:52:52markunTremor (which is BSD) has a GPL file asm_mcf5249.h
16:53:23markunit would be nice if it was BSD too so it could be included in the official Tremor source
16:53:23intgrDoes that file carry a linking exception?
16:53:53markunintgr: why should it? It BSD *more* restrictive?
16:53:56markunI don't think so
16:54:09intgrBSD has the advertising clause.
16:54:21markunnot all verysion afaik
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16:55:03intgrThen I think there shouldn't be a problem, although I don't know for sure.
16:55:55markunintgr: https://trac.xiph.org/browser/trunk/Tremor/COPYING?rev=3895
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16:56:23markunI don't know if we have to do the 2nd clause if we already do the 1st one..
16:57:53dionoeathe advertising clause was removed in 1999.
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17:02:06intgrYeah, that's not the advertising clause that I was talking about.
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17:02:26intgrAlthough it technically is an additional restriction.
17:02:56intgrOh wait, I confused the 2nd and 3rd clauses. :)
17:03:37linuxstbmarkun: I agree it could be nice to offer asm_mcf5249.h back to the Tremor people - is it preglow's code?
17:04:43markunno: Pedro Vasconcelos
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17:04:59markunat least he's stated as the copyright holder
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17:06:07markunI'm not sure how much rockbox specific stuff is in there
17:06:59intgrYou can find out from SVN diffs.
17:07:02intgrProbably
17:07:54markunlinuxstb: same for coldfire.S in libffmpegFLAC which is LGPL
17:08:35intgrLinking BSD to LGPL is perfectly legal.
17:09:37markunintgr: I'm not talking about linking Tremor and libffmpegFLAC but giving code back to the original projects
17:09:48intgrAhh.
17:10:18intgrSorry, I'm somewhat disoriented from the recent riot around here.
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17:11:18linuxstbmarkun: I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember that name...
17:12:18linuxstbBut yes, "svn annotate" shows it's all by "pbv"
17:12:32markunlinuxstb: I think it was the guy who was pissed off when I introduced center scrolling without making it an option :)
17:12:41markunbut I have to go now
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18:02:28pearldivergigabeat owners should check the new WPS from the gallery called ShortCircuit
18:02:43pearldiverreally nice work
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18:56:08matholtonis there any information of how to produce sound via a plugin anywhere?
18:57:00Rincewindmatholton: the best idea is to look at the code of an already existing plugin that produces sound
18:57:08Rincewindfor instance the metronome
18:59:55matholtonah, good idea, I shall look there first!
18:59:56matholtonthanks
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19:05:15ackbahrI just have a question I didn't find recents information about in posts : is anyone working one the host USB function for Iriver H320?
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19:19:01*amiconn wonders why so few wps'es for colour targets actually look like something usable
19:22:49amiconnMany of the are filled with functionless coloured and textured crap so that the actual song information is anywhere from hard to impossible to spot
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19:24:25matholtonamiconn: It's freedom of expression
19:25:08matholtonis it not possible for a plugin to produce sound whilst in the simulator?
19:25:28amiconnThat is possible.
19:25:45matholtonwhy is the metronome not built for the simulator then?
19:25:57amiconnBecause the simulator doesn't simulate the timer
19:26:00matholtonoh, you were answering the first comment, no?
19:26:16amiconnNo, 2nd
19:26:26matholtonoh
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19:28:00amiconnOther plugins like mpegplayer, doom and rockboy do work in the sim complete with sound
19:28:37matholtonokay, I was looking for simplest possible bit of code to look at though
19:30:32amiconnAs mentioned, metronome isn't built in the sim because of the timer. Playing PCM sound isn't really different between sim & target.
19:32:07intgrWhy doesn't the metronome produce plain PCM output?
19:32:21amiconnIt does for swcodec
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19:40:44Slasherihmm, in fact the timer in metronome is very unnecessary and should be removed
19:41:04amiconnIt is very necessary and must be kept for hwcodec
19:41:10Slasheriearlier it caused the plugin crash on swcodec until i fixed that recently
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19:41:36Slasheriamiconn: hmm, mp3 data must be played from an isr on hwcodec?
19:41:43amiconnAnd making it not use the timer for swcodec but keep the timer for hwcodec splits the code. Unnecessarily, imo
19:41:50amiconnNo it doesn't
19:42:03Slasheriwhy is it necessary?
19:42:11amiconnBut the timer is necessary for precise timing, and that's the purpose of a metronome, isn't it?
19:42:35Slasheriok, so kernel timer is very unprecise on hwcodec..
19:42:40amiconnNope
19:43:06amiconnThe kernel timer on SH is as precise as on PP, i.e. better than on coldfire
19:43:26amiconnBoth the tick timer and the user timer have the same precision on all targets
19:43:29Slasheriah yes, the resolution is quite slow indeed..
19:43:35amiconnBut the tick has only 10ms resolution
19:43:45Slasheriso it would limit the speed to 100 bpm
19:43:51amiconnno
19:44:06amiconnIt would limit the speed to 6000bpm, but that's not the problem
19:44:10matholtonamiconn: You're very negative today
19:44:22amiconnThe jitter for higher bpms is the problem
19:46:29amiconnFor swcodec (precisely: when dealing with pcm) it would be possible to implement metronome with no timer at all, just by filling with null samples and relying on the pcm output clock
19:47:07amiconnBu that obviously doesn't work on hwcodec, as mp3 frames are rather granular
19:47:49Slasherihmm, i don't see the problem then other than a bad implementation that would sample timer values too early to cause jitter
19:47:49intgrWhat exactly is "hwcodec"? Are there any players where you can't play back PCM directly?
19:48:32Slasherii think it should be precise on higher bpms too with kernel timer, i will do some experiments
19:48:33amiconnintgr: Yes. Hwcodec means that there is a dedicated chip decoding the mp3 instead of the cpu
19:48:50amiconnThis applies to the whole classic archos series supported by rockbox
19:48:57intgrOh.
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19:49:49intgrSo those players cannot play back any formats other than MP3 natively, either?
19:49:59amiconnThey can play mp2 and mp3
19:50:08intgrRight.
19:50:18matholtonI though someone wrote a wav player or was it wav recorder?
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19:50:40amiconnThis codec is actually a dsp that can be reprogrammed, but there are no docs (except some leaked ones foor the core itself)
19:51:02amiconnmatholton: That someone was me (not only, but I made it work)
19:51:30matholtondid you no not released?
19:51:43amiconnwavplay is in svn...
19:51:48matholtonsorry, slip of the fingers - did you not release it?
19:51:53matholtontoo slow :-)
19:52:00amiconnThe pcm codec for the MAS dsp core is not our own work and not open either, but we have written permission from Micronas and Archos to use it
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19:52:42amiconnIn fact we *could* use this pcm codec for metronome, but not on all archoses
19:53:01matholtonCan I ask, when you play a wav - you don't load the entire thing into memory then play, so how is it played without any gaps?
19:53:11amiconnThe pcm codec is for the MAS F core, which includes the MAS3587F and the MAS3539F, i.e. Archos recorders and Ondios
19:53:41amiconnBut the Archos player has a MAS3507D which can't run the pcm codec
19:53:50darkfloyd7Can anyone tell me how to install the bootloader on a 3G ipod in linux without using "ipodpatcher"? My ipod is connected to my computer using firewire, in disk mode, and is not detected by ipodpatcher.
19:54:11amiconnmatholton: Just like it works on all targets, rebuffer the next part before running out of data
19:54:11matholtonLike, If I write a plugin that loads in a bunch of data on the fly, can I expect to have it play without any gaps, or will I have to do something clever?
19:54:29linuxstb_darkfloyd7: What disk device is your ipod?
19:54:35amiconnTh eplayback engine in wavplay is really simlistic
19:54:42matholtonRight, so I have to implement a thread yeah?
19:54:42amiconn*simplistic
19:54:45darkfloyd7sdb
19:54:53amiconnwavplay doesn't use an extra thread
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19:55:12linuxstb_darkfloyd7: Then it should work with ipodpatcher. Do you have a working install of the Apple firmware on it?
19:55:19amiconnIt all depends on what else your plugin should do
19:55:23matholtonhmmm, maybe I should check that code out - I want this idea of mine to run on all targets though
19:55:56darkfloyd7linuxstb_: Yes, I do. The apple software works fine.
19:55:57matholtonMy plugin will play a 2 or 3 of minutes of data
19:56:34z0deanyone returned a x5 with rocbox on it?
19:56:36matholton...and obviously I don't want gaps. Do you suggest looking at the wavplay code?
19:56:39amiconnIf you want it to run on all targets, you'll want to use mp2/mp3 for the archoses
19:56:39z0demine died
19:56:59matholtonwell, this isn't mp3 data that I have
19:57:07linuxstb_darkfloyd7: Are you registered on freenode for private messages? It's a bit busy here at the moment...
19:58:14matholtonamicon: I have an archos and an iriver - I would like to just get it working first, would you say the Archos is the easiest target?
19:58:20amiconnlinuxstb: You could allow messages from unregistered users
19:58:38darkfloyd7linuxstb_: give me a minute...i'm using the web client right now
19:58:40linuxstb_matholton: You should keep a buffer full of pcm data, and implement a "get_more" function (which will get called from the audio driver interrupt) to empty the buffer. That will leave the plugin free to keep the buffer full.
19:58:47amiconnmatholton: Since I don't know what your plugin will be doing, I honestly can't tell
19:58:52linuxstb_amiconn: Do you remember how?
19:59:03amiconnYou say that you don't have mp3 data, that makes it more complicated for archos
19:59:16*amiconn asks nickserv
19:59:41amiconn/ns set unfiltered on
19:59:58matholtonthanks linuxstb, that sounds like what I need - are there any examples of this being done (that are plugins)?
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20:00:03amiconnThis is a persistent setting
20:00:19matholtonamiconn: Right, I will stick with the iriver for now then
20:00:47*amiconn should probably put the pcm codec handling in the plugin lib until we implant it to the core
20:01:16linuxstb_matholton: mpegplayer sort of works like that - but it also has multiple threads.
20:01:20linuxstb_amiconn: thanks.
20:01:50matholtonhmm, scary. I'll have a look. thanks.
20:02:28linuxstb_But the code relating to the pcm buffer should help.
20:03:16linuxstb_darkfloyd7: Check your PMs. In the webclient you should see a tab with my name at the top.
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20:06:11amiconnSlasheri: I think it should be possible to simulate the user timer just like the tick timer
20:06:35amiconnThe only thing I am nore sure about is whether SDL allows more than one SDL_Timer at the same time
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20:07:44amiconnLooks like it does :)
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20:17:34directhexblech, i've got RB crashing. means i need to try a new build, which means arseache :(
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20:32:08giraffeskateshey, does anyone know how to get the 4th gen greyscale ipod so you can actually put files onto it? i knew how before, but i forgot, and now i cant find it in documentation
20:32:25giraffeskatesits a bit useless to me if i connect it to the computer and i cant find out how to put it in the mode to where i can get files on it
20:33:24giraffeskatesokay. you guys have been helpful
20:33:24giraffeskatesthanks
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20:33:54markunyou're welcome I guess
20:33:59*linuxstb_ deletes the reply he was writing...
20:34:44perldivermarkun have you ever finished the POWER and A swapping patch by any chance?
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20:36:04markunperldiver: oops :)
20:36:08perldiverheh
20:36:14markunwell, I guess the patch is ready
20:36:21markunjust the plugins need to be redone
20:36:37markunlinuxstb_, perldiver: what do you think? Should I commit it?
20:36:53linuxstb_I'm starting to get used to the current arrangement now...
20:37:07perldiverlinuxstb try to page scroll...
20:37:07markunit will piss off quite some people, that's for sure
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20:37:08perldiveror...
20:37:12markunnobody likes changes
20:37:19perldivertry to move across the text editor...
20:37:33perldiveror...
20:38:03linuxstb_markun: But as I remember being in favour of it when we first discussed, I guess I'm still in favour.
20:38:13linuxstb_So commit and hide...
20:38:36perldiveri mean i can offer an alternative for page scrolling
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20:38:45perldiverfor example, to use the VOL keys
20:38:58perldiversame for text editor i guess
20:39:11perldiversince VOL keys just hang in there and do nothing most of the time
20:39:26perldiverthis way we can save current configuration
20:40:16markunlinuxstb_: I'll carefully examine the diff first
20:42:32markunlinuxstb_, perldiver: can you look it through? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/keymap.diff
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20:42:52perldiverok
20:43:49markunI removed the ACTION_STD_OK with the POWER button
20:44:12markunand moved the ABRESET action together with the other AB actions
20:44:25markunthe rest is just a search and replace
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20:45:02directhexerm... i just did a checkout from svn. does it STILL reset on hold-switch at the moment, or am i misreading?
20:46:20markundirecthex: yes, I should change that as well
20:46:47linuxstb_markun: It looks OK to me after a quick read.
20:48:40markunok, committed
20:48:47linuxstb_markun: When are you next on holiday, so I can swap A and SELECT in the WPS ? ;)
20:49:16markunI still want to come to the devcon, don't know if that counts as a holiday :)
20:49:31linuxstb_No, you'll still be keeping a close eye on the commits...
20:50:07amiconnmarkun: Hmm, you didn't put yourself on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2007
20:50:16markunamiconn: I still didn't buy the ticket
20:50:18perldiverA and SELECT swapping is a bad idea
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20:50:28amiconnRight now it looks like devcon 2007 will be smaller than devcon 2006...
20:50:39perldiveri know it makes it consistent with other targets
20:50:45perldiverbut its just not for gigabeat
20:51:55markunI also think the cross should be just for playback related stuff in the WPS
20:52:07linuxstb_perldiver: Why is the gigabeat special?
20:52:26perldiverum, just the way they controls are
20:52:28amiconnHehe, using the power button as modifier is indeed a bad idea
20:52:39markunlinuxstb_: I think the iriver H1xx is special
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20:52:41perldiveryou dont want to go away from cross for the playback needs
20:52:41directhexmarkun, i wrote you a patch back in feb!
20:52:59markunbecause it has a special play/pause button on the side
20:53:07markun(or was it just play?)
20:53:11perldiverhehe
20:53:26linuxstb_It's play/pause. But then that's what A becomes in Rockbox as there are no buttons labeled play.
20:53:33markundirecthex: I lost it.
20:53:42markundirecthex: which combo did we decide on?
20:53:48markunor did you rather
20:54:04directhex+ #define SETTINGS_RESET (BUTTON_A | BUTTON_POWER)
20:54:31markundirecthex: I don't know if the new bootloader changed any of the buttons
20:54:38directhexhttp://apebox.org/data/gigabeat_reset.patch is what i wrote. futz it if you like
20:54:43linuxstb_Why a combination? Why not just a single button like the other targets?
20:54:51directhexoh, there's a new bootloader? looks like this evening'll be more fun than i thought
20:55:02markun:)
20:55:14markundirecthex: yes, I don't think the latest rockbox even loads without it
20:55:20markundid you see the new menu?
20:55:34perldivercombination for what exactly?
20:55:37amiconnDo we really need a special settings reset button/combo?
20:55:53directhexi've not seen anything since my last build (r12521)
20:56:03amiconnOn the archoses we don't have that, and I never missed it either
20:56:11markunamiconn: easier than to edit the config by hand
20:56:21directhexamiconn, honestly, i don't care. but having it on hold-switch is shit
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20:57:08markunamiconn: mainly for people who have a black backdrop with black text I think (which afaik is not possible on the archoses)
20:57:20directhexthere's my mild-mannered patch. fiddle line 10 if you want it to be a single button. but for the love of god, make it not the hold switch
20:57:30amiconnhmmm....
20:57:49linuxstb_amiconn: I agree it shouldn't be needed, but there are still some bugs where it's helpful - e.g. bad theme combinations, and resume-on-startup with a track that crashes Rockbox.
20:57:50amiconndirecthex: What's the problem with it being bound to the hold switch?
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20:58:21markunamiconn: that the hold switch is nice to turn on befor you put your device in your pocket
20:58:23amiconnOn the ipod it's also on the hold switch. I never needed it, but also never triggered it inadvertently
20:58:39markunI did trigger it by accident
20:58:45amiconnmarkun: Yes, but where is the problem?
20:59:00amiconnThe settings reset is only checked at boot, isn't it?
20:59:13directhexi triggered it about fifteen times in a month
20:59:21markunand the booting takes some time on the Gigabeat
20:59:38directhexhold power, gigabeat starts booting. enable hold, put in pocket, device continues to boot and starts pla... oh, wait, no all your settings are gone
20:59:47markunamiconn: why do you want it to be the hold switch?
20:59:49directhexfantastic
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21:00:05amiconnmarkun: I don't, I'm just wondering about it in general
21:00:27amiconnMaybe I have no problem with it being on the hold switch because I don't use hold often
21:00:47markunbut you say that for almost every rockbox feature :)
21:00:59amiconnOn ipod I do use it though, because of the annoying wheel
21:01:17directhexright, making a new "normal" build. what's invilved in the new bootloader - just build it in another dir and copy the new file across?
21:01:33amiconnHold is mainly a hw feature, at least on the targets with a dedicated switch
21:01:53markundirecthex: yes, that or download it from the GigabeatFX page
21:02:03linuxstb_directhex: It's safer to just use the official binary bootloader, unless you've patched it.
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21:02:42markunlinuxstb_: do you think I should warn about the button changes in the MajorChanges page?
21:03:11markunas that's where we send people too to look when the update
21:03:34linuxstb_Yes, I guess it's major enough (for gigabeat users) to go there.
21:04:03markunAh, now I need to change the manual as well probably
21:04:32linuxstb_Yes, but that uses macros for the buttons, so it should be easy.
21:05:08pixelmamarkun look into the gigabeat's platform file
21:05:19markunpixelma: thanks
21:05:29markunnever looked at the manual source before
21:05:29toffe82markun : can you put a message in the zip files so when you install you have a warning for the changes
21:05:54markuntoffe82: I wouldn't know how
21:06:06toffe82markun: and also there should be a message in rbutil
21:07:26toffe82markun: I think that on eday somebody said there was a way to do it, when you open a zip file it pop up a text message
21:07:58markunlinuxstb_: btw, bootloader USB mode doesn't work on the Gigabeat X and the option to copy back the OF has been removed..
21:08:20linuxstb_I thought kkurbjun had someone test on the X?
21:08:52markunalso the USB mode? Well, I hope so
21:09:02toffe82I think it is working
21:09:14markunok, good then
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21:09:49toffe82you have to ask to scubacoles
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21:10:29markunor jba
21:11:03amiconntoffe82: There is. Iirc you just need to put a file called .displayme in the zip
21:11:10toffe82jba is busy babysitting it seems
21:11:17amiconnI'm not sure whether all zip tools support this though
21:11:31kkurbjunmarkun, bootloader usb works on the X
21:11:34markunyes, it's like everybody is having a baby these days
21:11:42markunkkurbjun: great!
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21:12:01toffe82markun : you can try the .displayme in the zip
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21:12:52markunso will that file be extracted to the player as well then?
21:13:15linuxstb_"unzip" doesn't seem to recognise a .displayme file...
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21:13:31amiconnMaybe it's pkzip specific
21:13:44amiconnHmm, can't be
21:13:49directhexokay, new build installed
21:14:35markundirecthex: anything different?
21:15:02directhexthe menus have moved around!
21:15:13linuxstb_kkurbjun: What differences are there between the X and the F? Did you have to add any run-time detection?
21:15:37markundirecthex: yes, and how!
21:16:26markunit looks like the bootloader doesn't use any special keys anymore, so which button would be best for settings reset?
21:16:35markunA? MENU?
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21:17:33linuxstb_Other targets use RECORD, so I guess it doesn't matter in that respect.
21:17:40markunI think I'll go with A, any objections?
21:17:46markundirecthex: what do you think?
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21:18:02directhexi'd say A. there's no reason you'd want to be pressing it during boot
21:18:16markunbut neither any of the other buttons..
21:18:21markunA it is..
21:18:25kkurbjunlinuxstb, no, no runtime detection. I messed up some of the gpio initialization and the X was more sensitive to it. The original bootloader did not follow the main code usb initialization the same
21:18:43amiconnHmm, seems I confused this .displayme stuff. It was an (amiga-only??) feature of lha
21:19:13linuxstb_Ah, that's probably where I remember the feature from.
21:19:24amiconnIt displayed any file with the .displayme extension, not only with that literal name
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21:20:05linuxstb_kkurbjun: That's good to know. So it doesn't look like separate builds will ever be needed?
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21:23:10kkurbjunwell, there's still some pins that we don't touch that are unknown right now, I think that they are close enough that you should be able to just do a couple of ifdefs here and there if it comes down to it. Toffe did the original traces on the f and he was going to depopulate another board because some traces were broken in his initial work, but we still won't have traces of the X.
21:24:16directhexmust go cook dinner
21:24:23directhexsomeone remind me i need to tweak my WPS
21:25:06kkurbjunback to work..
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21:31:49directhexdamn, 1 pixel out
21:32:39directhexthere we go. all is good
21:33:00amiconnbah
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21:35:18l2eM1xso i was wondering, is there a reason the ipod turns on after being unplugged from the USB port?
21:37:34amiconnThe native linker on my build box segfaults...
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21:41:35markunl2eM1x: I can't imagine a good reason for that no
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21:42:11l2eM1xmarkun: because in my case, when I charge my Ipod sometimes I will shut off the computer
21:42:27l2eM1xand since I have it set to continue playing on startup
21:42:33l2eM1xit will just play the whole night and run out of batteries
21:42:39RenoHi i got a question although, i dont know as a rockbox question or not.....well....anyway here it goes...
21:43:01Renohow did you guy's make or create rockbox?
21:43:12Renoi want want to learn how to do that.
21:43:21l2eM1xalot of ASM and C
21:44:32Renocan you guy's tell me how you did that? PLEASE????
21:44:43RenoAtleast just tell me?
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21:44:48BagderReno: we code, live, work software
21:44:57l2eM1xget a degree is computer science
21:45:02l2eM1xand you will understand
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21:45:06markunReno: do you have any specific questions?
21:45:12*Bagder has no degree
21:45:15Renolike what software?
21:45:35markunReno: you need a cross-compiler and an editor
21:45:47Renoi want to learn how to do that and i'll do anything to learn!!!
21:45:57RenoREALLY!
21:46:05markunAnything.. interesting
21:46:11l2eM1xlike I said, get a computer science degree
21:46:24l2eM1xthat stuff just isnt something you can pick up and understand so easy
21:46:28BagderReno: figure out something you want to do, then start learning the details on how to achieve it
21:46:44RenoI want to do that cuz you guy's are like smart as hell!!! Rock box is kool as hell too!!!
21:47:08RenoBut i want to make my own!
21:47:22Bagdermake your own what?
21:47:32Renoi dotn care how long or how hard i have to work to learn how to do that!!!!
21:47:48*darkfloyd7 wonders what it's like inside the head of a troll
21:47:53*Bagder feels like talking to a wall
21:47:57Renomake something like rockbox! what is that called again?
21:48:10ompauldarkfloyd7, first there the the mush filter
21:48:40darkfloyd7lol
21:49:05Renohow long did it take to create rockbox?
21:49:11ompauldarkfloyd7, then there is the context changer
21:49:28Renodo you have to know math for this?
21:49:31Reno?????????
21:49:31BagderReno: from nothing to the first port, or till today?
21:49:51amiconnBagder: Sorry about the red
21:49:56*amiconn downgrades binutils
21:50:05Renodo i have to know math 4 this?
21:50:08linuxstb_Reno: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html
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21:50:15Renooh thanks!
21:50:17Bagderamiconn: annoying stuff that
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21:51:08amiconnYes. debian unstable for amd64 upgraded to cvs binutils which just segfault. I downgraded to 2.17.3 again
21:51:12Renoi mean like do i have to know a lot of math for this????
21:51:23l2eM1xIt depends on what you want to do
21:51:33*l2eM1x feels like hes talking to a wall also
21:51:34Renoso i do have to know that?
21:51:34BagderI better hold off upgrade for a little while then...
21:51:46l2eM1xit depends on what to do
21:51:51l2eM1xyou do*
21:51:54*amiconn has binutils locked for now
21:51:57Renoy do you feel like talking to awall?
21:52:07Reno???
21:52:39amiconnBagder: storebror is running amd64?
21:52:47Renocreating rockbox what is that called?
21:52:47Bagderyes
21:52:53Bagderamiconn: but 32bit user-space
21:52:54tsuyoshireno: the first thing to do is learn c or assembly
21:53:06amiconnBagder: Then you might very well not have that problem
21:53:11Renowhat is rockbox????
21:53:12amiconnI am running true 64 bit
21:53:18markunReno: a firmware
21:53:22linuxstb_Reno: Creating rockbox is called programming...
21:53:24Bagderyes, it struck me too
21:53:32Renooh firmware got it!
21:53:38Renook
21:53:43amiconnOh, was that the problem yesterday?
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21:53:59chrisjs169|afkwas FS3045 accepted? (album art)
21:54:09Renoproblem???
21:54:14Bagderamiconn: what problem was that?
21:54:21Renooh
21:54:36linuxstb_chrisjs169|afk: No.
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21:54:54linuxstb_chrisjs169|afk: When it is, that task will be closed.
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21:55:05amiconnBagder: Ah, no, can't be. I referred to the red in the build table yesterday. But that was Ondio target, so no native binutils involved
21:55:06Renowhick one of you guy's created rockbox? Or was it all of you?
21:55:23l2eM1xReno: its alot of people.
21:55:39RenoWho named it rockbox?
21:55:43Bagderamiconn: ah yes, no that was some kind of weird leftover state from the previous build which got stuck and I killed it
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21:55:52Reno: )
21:55:59Bagderreally not clear to me
21:56:08matholtonThis audio playback code within plugins is extremely complicated - is there any background information I can read up on before attempting to continue?
21:56:17amiconnAnyway, red should be gone next round
21:57:15chrisjs169|afklinuxstb: I didn't see anything saying it was, but it seems like it was already applied when I downloaded rockbox just now
21:58:04RenoDo you guy's think one persom alone can create a firmware or can it be just one person????
21:58:33BagderReno: please go read the site/faq/forums/mailing list archives
21:58:36l2eM1xReno: how about you do some research on your own
21:58:36Renoif one person creates it alone he must have to be smart as hell!
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21:59:24Renojust asking. you guy's getting annoyed or something???
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21:59:38chrisjs169|afklinuxstb_: Weird, just downloaded everything again and it worked
21:59:48directhexReno, there are 284 people in the credits for rockbox
21:59:49BagderReno: yes, but the answers are provided, and you don't even seem to care for our answers but just continue asking and asking
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22:00:36Renocause i do things better when people show me or tell me how to do them!
22:00:43Renonot just by reading them!
22:01:04darkfloyd7what if someone tells you to read something?
22:01:10BHSPitMonkeyReno, none of us can show you or tell you anything; you'd be reading it from us or reading it from a site.
22:01:13Renoi'll read it.
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22:01:36BHSPitMonkeyReno, people have worked hard to document what's been documented. Don't shun their gifts.
22:01:46Renoyeah but you guy's explain it better than your manual.
22:02:03directhexReno, rockbox represents almost five and a half years' work by almost three hundred people, on and off. you can't learn how to do that from a couple of questions on IRC, and especially without a background or experience in programming
22:02:05Renoi'm not trying to shun that!
22:02:13BHSPitMonkeyIf you have specific clarifications that need to be made, based on something you've read on the site/wiki, someone will surely be able to help you.
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22:02:41BHSPitMonkeyIf that's the case, you're also in a position to improve the wiki and/or manual if need be.
22:02:50markunReno: why do you want to create your own firmware?
22:02:59BHSPitMonkeyIf the manual isn't good enough, well, that's why it's "Open".
22:03:04directhexReno, that work includes writing extensive documentation to answer pretty much everything you've asked so far - documentation is as valuable a resource as code
22:03:24directhexnow, must go and check on my chikkin
22:03:27Renocause it looks raw as hell!!!!! you guy's are all smart and SH**!!!
22:03:48chrisjs169|afkfirmware is supposed to be raw
22:04:15chrisjs169|afkwell, encrypted usually, but the source, like everything else, is raw
22:04:17Renoi know!
22:04:41BagderReno: then go learn program C and some basic assembly
22:04:43markunReno: why not just use (or work on) rockbox then?
22:04:45Bagderthen come back when you do
22:04:56Renowait what kind of raw are you talking about?
22:05:07BHSPitMonkeyUse less pronouns, people.
22:05:12*Bagder fires up his /ignore command
22:05:22chrisjs169|afksource code raw?
22:05:38Renono that is not what i mean.
22:05:41Reno-_-
22:05:59Renoi mean raw like "kool" "awsome"
22:06:16Renodo you guy's know any sloang
22:06:20Renoslang?
22:06:28*markun follows Bagder's example
22:06:32chrisjs169|afkmost likely yes....
22:06:58Renook so you know what "raw" is right?
22:07:24darkfloyd7Reno: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines
22:07:28chrisjs169|afkwell, raw can mean quite a lot of things...
22:07:48chrisjs169|afkhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raw
22:08:12Renohey i'm not trying to shun or offened or what ever!!! i just want to make something like you guy's!!!
22:08:25chrisjs169|afkwhy not build off of it?
22:08:27Renohow old are you!
22:08:42chrisjs169|afkwell, since you just made a statement, i'm not gonna respond
22:08:50Renoare you in highschool?
22:08:56darkfloyd7Reno: "Use clear, grammatical, correctly-spelled english. "Words" such as "thx", "u", and "kewl" are not acceptable."
22:09:06darkfloyd7goodbye
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22:09:14Renolol
22:09:19ompaulReno, you were asked to read the channel guidelines,
22:09:46*darkfloyd7 follows suit and ignores Reno
22:09:49Reno"kwel" lol!!!!! XD
22:09:58chrisjs169|afkmentioned twice that i've seen, plus in the....nevermind
22:10:25directhexi will be the sole bastion of education! when i'm not checking on dinner
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22:10:54darkfloyd7Ahh. Peace and quiet...
22:10:58directhexReno, rockbox is a large, complex project representing thousands of man-hours. what *exactly* do you want to do?
22:11:25chrisjs169|afkReno: we aren't joking around, and if you weren't being ignored by so many people, you could possibly be banned right now, depending on the type of mood everyone's in
22:11:29Renoi dont talk or spell right like you guy's cuz i'm not smart and sh** like you guy's is!!!!!
22:12:16directhexReno, time spent spoon-feeding you information available on the rockbox website is time not spent working on rockbox. what exactly do you want to achieve?
22:12:47BagderI think we all better stop feeding the troll, it won't stop by itself
22:12:50Renoand how can i be banned???? what didi i do???ask too many questions???
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22:13:11Renoreally how can i be banned?
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22:13:25*darkfloyd7 seconds Bagder's motion
22:13:30chrisjs169|afkwell, i have no administrative position in this channel, but yelling and ignoring channel rules would be a start...
22:13:51Renowhat i'm trying to say is that i admire your work and i want to learn how to do wha tyou guy's can do!!!!
22:13:54mutantpineapplesounds like a party
22:14:05Mode"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
22:14:09chrisjs169|afkuh oh
22:14:24Renouh oh???????
22:14:28Renowhat???
22:14:33TrueJournalsnice
22:14:43darkfloyd7lol
22:14:52Kick(#rockbox Reno :learn) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
22:15:03darkfloyd7\o/
22:15:05TrueJournalsVery nice ;-)
22:15:16l2eM1xhaha
22:15:18l2eM1xthankyou!
22:15:27chrisjs169|afkheh, he quit IRC
22:16:11TrueJournals$10 says he's going to go on the forums and complain...
22:16:25directhexso... about 10-12 years old, american?
22:16:25chrisjs169|afkyeah
22:16:42ompaulusing a .se cgi ...
22:16:53mutantpineapplei could spell at 12 :|
22:17:08directhexah, swedish was my second guess, but i didn't think swedes said things like "raw" and "tight" and "fo'shizzle'nizzle"
22:17:21Bagderno, I would not say Swedish either
22:17:22chrisjs169|afki don't think 12 year olds usually yell nonstop....(!!!!!!!!)
22:17:26directhexmutantpineapple, those of us destined for a life at the business end of a compiler probably could
22:17:52directhexchrisjs169|afk, overexposure to my fiancee's siblings when they were younger disagrees
22:18:01directhexchrisjs169|afk, god, even her 18-year-old sister behaves like that online
22:18:31matholtonOh dear, I really don't want to do a 'Reno' here but can anyone give me any tips on how to implement an audio playback plugin please? I was given some good information earlier regarding implementing a get_more function but I accidently reset my damn computer and lost it (I know, stupid me - I can check the logs tommorow). Just some basics or pointers to some basic information.
22:18:38chrisjs169|afkdirecthex: i guess it depends on how professional they want to be
22:19:06Bagderthe matholton the logs are published realtime, no need to wait ;-)
22:19:14chrisjs169|afkdirecthex: not even professional, but mature
22:19:18Bagderuhm, cut the extra "the" ;-P
22:19:18directhexchrisjs169|afk, indeed. i suppose at 12 i was cruisin' yahoo chat channels with names like "tEeN pOoL pArTy"
22:19:23matholtonOh right, I'll check, thanks Badger
22:19:50pixelmaompaul: that was just the official rockbox irc webclient
22:20:08ompaulpixelma, ahhh
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22:21:04matholtonThey only go to the 26th - never mind.
22:21:32Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070427
22:21:42AceNik__my source in the .svn is locked , i ran svn cleanup , but it says this "svn: Can't open directory 'tools/fwpatcher/.svn/tmp': No such file or directory"
22:21:55darkfloyd7has anyone here built a cross-compiler on gentoo using crossdev?
22:22:24directhexyou can put away the +o now Bagder
22:22:51amiconndirecthex: If getpos.de is right, the connection was from Illinois, USA
22:22:54Bagderwhat, you mean to step down to you, mere mortals? B-]
22:23:01Mode"#rockbox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
22:23:12directhexyay, i win \o/
22:23:23directhexbut i burnt dinner. i need a non-stick pan :(
22:23:40chrisjs169|afkuh oh
22:23:49darkfloyd7or an irc client built into your stove ;)
22:24:00chrisjs169|afkit looks like reno is back on #ubuntu-it
22:24:06amiconnHillside, Illinois to be exact
22:24:13chrisjs169|afkunless he was using someone elses nick
22:24:14l2eM1xwow
22:24:17l2eM1xwe are close amiconn
22:24:29*amiconn likes that the cgiirc IDs carry the IP address :)
22:24:41l2eM1xthat is reno that lives in hillside?
22:24:48amiconnyes
22:24:56matholtonHow do you instruct the audio driver to use the get_more function? Or is the fact that the function is written enough to inform the audio driver?
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22:25:03l2eM1xjeez hes 10 minutes from here
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22:25:19darkfloyd7l2eM1x: don't get any crazy ideas now...
22:25:46l2eM1xim crazy
22:25:57darkfloyd7uh oh
22:27:08AceNik__can anyone give me a direct command to type to restore svn to todays date by it comparing also what to restore
22:27:16amiconnmatholton: You pass a pointer to this function when kicking off playback
22:28:24matholtonamiconn: thanks. So I can search for get_more within (for example) mpegplayer.c and that should give me an idea.
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22:37:46scorcheawwww...looks like i missed some fun
22:37:56l2eM1xheh
22:41:12TrueJournalserr... I want to try out coLinux for development, but the self-extracting 7zip file is downloading at a painfully slow rate (14 kbps)... Does anyone have a faster mirror?
22:42:17scorcheah...that is from Soap's site
22:42:42TrueJournalsSeems like something that should be hosted at download.rockbox.org
22:42:50scorcheBagder: sounds like it would be nice to have the colinux image hosted on the download?
22:42:55TrueJournals(like the VMWare disk image)
22:43:01Bagderyeah I guess
22:43:11Bagderwhere is it? URL?
22:43:21scorchehttp://rockbox.cleansoap.org/files/root_fs.exe
22:43:28scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CoLinuxDevelopmentPlatform
22:44:03TrueJournalsYeah... no way I'm waiting 6 hours for that to download
22:44:19TrueJournalsand I have fast internet... I can get like 700 kbps usually
22:44:48BagderI get 450KB
22:44:59TrueJournalsdownloading from soap's site?
22:45:00Bagder / second
22:45:03Bagderyes
22:45:14TrueJournalshmm... let me try again
22:45:24Bagderso in 12 minutes I can offer it from the dl site
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22:45:47TrueJournalsNow I'm getting... 23 kbps
22:46:05TrueJournalsand it just went back down to 13 kbps
22:46:27linuxstb_I get around 200KB/s
22:46:30BagderI still have 450
22:46:37TrueJournalsIt hates me...
22:48:03scorchewell, regardless, it is still nice to have mirrors for this sort of thing
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22:51:08linuxstb_Bagder: Speaking of downloads, that reminds me I have a couple more encodes of Elephants Dream for the download server - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/144x112.zip (and 114x80.zip).
22:51:32BagderMikachu's been absent lately...
22:51:36linuxstb_^144/80.zip
22:51:47linuxstb_Aren't they still on the download server as well?
22:51:54Bagderthey are
22:52:12*linuxstb_ was just redirected...
22:52:36Bagderyes, they're not (easily) accessible
22:52:39Bagderfrom there
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22:57:21BagderTrueJournals: http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/coLinux-selfextract.exe
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22:57:27TrueJournalsthank you :-D
22:58:17TrueJournalsLet's see... 989 kbps... much better :-D
22:58:27Bagder:-)
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23:02:08scorchein the vmware folder, eh? =P
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23:02:30Bagderwell...
23:02:31TrueJournalsI was kind of thinking that too :-\
23:02:49Bagderdon't think ;-)
23:02:58TrueJournals:-\
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23:04:23TrueJournalsWiki page should probably be updated...
23:04:39scorchei will nab Soap wehn he gets here, as it is his page
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23:05:04scorchetell him to possibly adjust it so it is more like the vmware page in a list of mirrors
23:05:36TrueJournalsThe CoLinux page just seems messy in general... there's that whole paragraph of text in the middle that just seems... messy
23:06:01TrueJournalsI don't have any suggestions to make it better really... just make it more like the vmware page, that page is very organized...
23:06:26TrueJournalsHooray! Done!
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23:24:25chrisjs169|afkwhere can I get the arm-elf binaries?
23:24:39Bagderfor what OS?
23:25:02chrisjs169|afkLinux - just remembered there's a script in the tools directory for it
23:25:10Bagderyes, rockboxdev.sh
23:25:24chrisjs169|afkyeah, thanks
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23:26:24hostf4cekillaanyone know where I can find a feature list?
23:27:24Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox or even http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox#Features
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23:35:46scorchethere is FeatureComparison as well
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23:58:06linuxstb_hostf4cekilla: Or the manual...

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