00:00:02 | avenged_one | \list |
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00:03:36 | chrisjs169 | any ideas for my scrollwheel dimming question? |
00:05:29 | avenged_one | Has there been any progress on the Sansa Rhapsody Bootloader recently? |
00:08:57 | chrisjs169 | avenged_one: I think they're still trying to find out how to get it to accept the RB BL |
00:11:02 | intgr | Does "Sigmatel STMP3411L" ring a bell to anyone? |
00:11:04 | avenged_one | but they are making progress? |
00:12:25 | chrisjs169 | avenged_one: I can't say for sure, but I'd think they would be |
00:13:07 | avenged_one | Ok, thank you. Do you know who exactly is working on it? |
00:13:36 | chrisjs169 | avenged_one: no I don't, sorry |
00:14:00 | avenged_one | It's fine, thank you anyway |
00:14:43 | avenged_one | How does this IRC chat work anyways? is there any certain "channel" or "room" that each build is discussed? |
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00:15:38 | chrisjs169 | Nope, it's all in here :P |
00:17:22 | chrisjs169 | (bleh, that smoke is starting to bother me) |
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00:17:34 | avenged_one | o, ok. So most of these people just aren't talking or is there a way to PM |
00:18:00 | petur | avenged_one: it's just a quiet night |
00:18:07 | intgr | chrisjs169: Smoke coming from your MP3 player? :) |
00:18:26 | chrisjs169 | intgr: nope, smoke coming from my toaster :P |
00:19:09 | chrisjs169 | avenged_one: you can pm, either by clicking on a users name or by typing /msg [user] [message] |
00:19:27 | avenged_one | ok, thank you |
00:19:37 | intgr | Anyway, looks like STMP35xx chips are used in some players that are already supported. |
00:19:38 | avenged_one | your toaster is smoking? |
00:20:12 | chrisjs169 | avenged_one: yeah, I had something in it while staring out the door, and started to smell smoke |
00:20:32 | chrisjs169 | didn't burn anything though, so it was probably just a few crumbs |
00:20:34 | darkfloyd7 | avenged_one: http://www.irchelp.org/ is a good resource if you're new to irc |
00:21:48 | avenged_one | ok thanks |
00:24:44 | petur | intgr: what player are you examining? Maybe the STMP3411L is closely related to the 3410 of which there seems to be a datasheet: http://www.datasheet4u.com/html/S/T/M/STMP3410_SigmaTel.pdf.html |
00:26:15 | linuxstb | intgr: Rockbox doesn't support any STMP chips... |
00:26:38 | petur | bah, it's not a datasheet, just a product flyer :/ |
00:28:25 | intgr | linuxstb: Ah, yeah, I just found that out; I assumed that it was supported since it was listed at the wiki. :) |
00:28:33 | intgr | petur: Philips Rush SA230/00C. |
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00:29:38 | intgr | The MobiBLU player, which is currently being ported, uses a STMP3520 chip. |
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00:29:51 | petur | eh? |
00:30:09 | intgr | What? |
00:30:15 | linuxstb | intgr: Info on the wiki doesn't imply a port is being worked on. |
00:30:29 | intgr | "23 February 2007 Project Started - No porting work yet, still in hardware analysis" |
00:31:49 | linuxstb | OK, I hadn't seen that. But it looks like extremely early work, and no news for 2 months... |
00:32:11 | intgr | The info page was last changed in March. |
00:33:11 | linuxstb | Only to correct some wiki formatting - not by the person working on the port. |
00:33:15 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: Dunno if you're the one to ask, but you're one of the few online...is it possible to dim the sansa scrollwheel? |
00:33:20 | petur | this page is what you need: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus |
00:34:05 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: I don't own a sansa, so I've no idea. |
00:34:24 | linuxstb | intgr: Any idea if the 35xx is similar to the 34xx though? |
00:34:42 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: ok, thanks |
00:35:09 | intgr | linuxstb: Nope, I just cranked the player open two hours ago. |
00:38:13 | avenged_one | So, what did you mean when you said they are trying to get it to except the RB BL |
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00:42:36 | chrisjs169 | Sandisk changed the default BL so that it won't accept dummy signatures for the Rhapsody series |
00:46:44 | avenged_one | oh yes I read it on the forums |
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00:50:24 | intgr | Hmmm... STMP34XX-35XX_Training_DAY_1.pdf |
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00:52:52 | Jeton | greeting |
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01:05:53 | Jeton | I have a question for a plugin related to Sansa. |
01:06:03 | linuxstb | Just ask |
01:06:14 | Jeton | Is it possible to scroll the text with the scrollwheel? on Text-Viewer. |
01:06:24 | Jeton | could a patch make this possible, |
01:06:26 | Jeton | ? |
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01:12:50 | linuxstb | Jeton: I don't see why not. |
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01:13:14 | Jeton | great |
01:14:00 | Jeton | I posted a feature request on rockbox.org, is that they way to go? ( I'm not familiar with programing) |
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01:15:16 | intgr | Yes. |
01:15:54 | Jeton | Okay. Now hoping for someone to apply it. :) |
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01:32:14 | ptw419 | which lds file has the start address of the bootloader? |
01:34:24 | linuxstb | firmware/boot.lds I would expect |
01:34:54 | ptw419 | thaks |
01:34:57 | ptw419 | thanks* |
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01:36:28 | linuxstb | ptw419: How's the Gigabeat S hacking going? |
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01:38:09 | ptw419 | i've been working on it on and off for the past week. i've been busy w/ finals, and my S went kaput on me so I had to get it replaced |
01:39:55 | linuxstb | Have you worked out a way to run your own code? |
01:43:23 | ptw419 | not as of yet. |
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02:04:46 | aarcane | Hi, I'm considdering buying a media player for use with rockbox, but I'm having a hard time gathering solid information on a few matters which concern me |
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02:07:33 | aarcane | most importantly, I want to find out which player of all has the longest play time, video playback ability is fairly important to me, as is OGG and FLAC. I know ogg and flac in ipl is only able to play up to a certain level of compression before it hits CPU speed issues, and I was wondering if that pertains to rockbox as well. also, the battery lifes I've seen for the ipod are scary. only 11 hours max on an ip which has 20 with official firmware (I wa |
02:07:35 | aarcane | s highly considdering an ip 60/80), and the other media players.. I can't find solid battery info on them, nor bitrate constraints. |
02:08:56 | Soap | if you want video ON rockbox, you want a Gigabeat |
02:10:26 | Soap | and there is no bitrate constraint. |
02:10:35 | aarcane | video is a lower priority than ogg/flac and battery life. |
02:10:36 | Soap | not with ogg and flac |
02:10:57 | aarcane | so I can play a flac with compression 10 ? |
02:10:57 | aarcane | on any hardware I choose in realtime ? |
02:11:18 | Soap | someone else can speak up, but I know FLAC is realtime regardless on everything. |
02:11:38 | Soap | OGG is realtime on every target I am aware of, regardless of bitrate. |
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02:12:06 | Soap | if you want decent video speeds we're talking the Gigabeats, or the iPod Nano ;) |
02:12:34 | aarcane | so what has good battery life? something in the 20 hour range |
02:12:36 | Soap | Only you can decide if the Gigabeat provides long enough battery life. |
02:12:51 | Soap | The irivers have very good battery life |
02:13:04 | Soap | the iaudio has very good battery life, esp the X5L |
02:13:24 | Soap | but they won't ever be serious video contenders. |
02:13:55 | Soap | and if any of the targets are ever to support XviD level video - it will be the Gigabeat. |
02:14:16 | Soap | if any of the current targets are ever to support AAC-HC it will be the Gigabeat. |
02:14:30 | aarcane | is there a table somewhere that compares battery lifetimes for all models ? |
02:15:41 | Soap | I do not believe so. |
02:16:08 | Soap | but we're talking, what Four contenders? Five? |
02:16:29 | aarcane | yeah, maybe fewer since drive size is another important issue |
02:16:34 | Soap | right |
02:16:35 | Soap | so |
02:17:03 | Soap | Gigabeat, iPod Video, iriver H300, iriver H100, iaudio x/m5 |
02:17:05 | aarcane | how many of the contenders have known harddrive-mods available to increase drive capacity beyond 100G ? |
02:17:14 | Soap | only Archos |
02:17:35 | Soap | based upon you can't get >80GB 1.8" drive which all use but archos which uses 2.5" drives. |
02:17:48 | aarcane | what about the new archo 504 ? |
02:17:57 | Soap | do you see it in the supported list? |
02:18:03 | aarcane | I don't see it listed anywhere as supported or unsupported. |
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02:18:30 | Soap | do you expect we keep a list of all 2,612 unsupported mp3 players? |
02:18:38 | Soap | ;) |
02:18:52 | aarcane | good point. I'd figgure the new archos would be supported though, since the old ones are. |
02:19:29 | toffe82 | you can look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide and here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
02:19:38 | Soap | that's like expecting the New Beetle to use the spare tire as a window washer fluid pump like the old one did. |
02:20:22 | Soap | like expecting your new Mac to have a 5 1/4" drive because your ][e did. |
02:20:48 | aarcane | toffe82, I've been going back and forth between the two and neither has much information. well, the device chart has alot, but not what I'mlooking for |
02:20:59 | Soap | the iPods are pretty unique in maintaining an archetecture throughout the life of the product line. |
02:21:20 | Soap | aarcane: you need to start digging down through the various port's wiki pages. |
02:21:37 | Soap | There is a Runtime page for every port i believe. |
02:21:46 | aarcane | Soap, I'd especially figgure the new archos would be supported since it's running linux which means archos has to release the source code for the firmware. |
02:22:26 | scorche | rockbox is not linux |
02:22:38 | scorche | so it still would be a chosre to port..just less so |
02:22:41 | scorche | chore |
02:22:43 | Soap | What if archos wrote a driver from scratch - would the GPL compel them to relaease the source? No. |
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02:23:31 | Soap | point being, a device running Linux does not mean the entire firmware falls under the GPL. |
02:23:43 | Soap | (but I can't speak for the Archos in question specificly) |
02:23:44 | aarcane | Soap, true, but the parts that do fall under the GPL |
02:24:22 | Soap | right, but a modified kernel is worth less than specific drivers for the possibly undocumented hardware. |
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02:24:45 | aarcane | anyway, I just thought it would be since it's already running linux. since it's not, no big deal. I'm still scouring for battery information and runtimes, it should be alot easier to track down :( |
02:24:59 | Soap | IpodRuntime |
02:25:03 | Soap | IriverRuntime |
02:26:08 | aarcane | the buyers guide has a little bit of runtime information, and that shows that the cowon is the best, but you haven't mentioned the cowon yet. is it bad ? |
02:26:09 | Soap | GigabeatRuntime |
02:26:22 | Soap | I mentioned the iAudio X/M5 |
02:27:07 | aarcane | is that the cowon ? |
02:27:12 | Soap | yes |
02:27:16 | Soap | I got to go |
02:27:21 | Soap | google can take over |
02:27:25 | Soap | for me |
02:28:06 | Soap | IAudioRuntime |
02:28:35 | chrisjs169 | hmm....is it possible for make to cause the system clock to slow down for a split second? |
02:29:06 | aarcane | chrisjs169, depends on the architecture. on most: no. |
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02:34:12 | chrisjs169 | aarcane: it's a regular x86 architecture, but twice in the past two days make has complained about the time being off but about 2 seconds |
02:34:47 | scorche | chrisjs169: a bit off topic.. |
02:34:52 | aarcane | but then the issue is raised: which of the various models limited to cowon, toshiba, ipod video, and iriverh300 series feels the most right with rockbox ? as in which of them has the greatest overall support of features, most CPU room and RAM to breathe, and all those other end-user stuff |
02:35:10 | chrisjs169 | scorche: whoops, sorry |
02:35:38 | aarcane | chrisjs169, it is off topic, but that's not make screwing it up, it's a poor rtc on your system or a dead battery running it. set up openntpd and make shouldn't gripe anymore. |
02:36:11 | scorche | aarcane: cpu room to breathe would be the gigabeat |
02:36:33 | aarcane | scorche, is that the most responsive one as well ? |
02:36:56 | scorche | what do you mean by responsive?..that could refer to many things |
02:37:28 | chrisjs169 | aarcane: starting to get 'nervous' continuing off topic, but ntpdate was run not more than 24 hours ago, and make just starting complaining within the last hour |
02:37:31 | aarcane | as in from the time you decide to push a button to the time the firmware interprets it and takes it's appropriate action |
02:37:45 | scorche | just take it to pms |
02:38:02 | chrisjs169 | ok |
02:38:27 | scorche | aarcane: i dont have one, but i would assume it is just fine in that regard |
02:38:47 | intgr | aarcane: I would expect that to depend on the delay of the LCD display rather than the CPU. |
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02:39:32 | scorche | not necessarily |
02:39:33 | aarcane | intgr, I'd expect it to depend more on the maturity of the input and lcd drivers and the CPU speed. |
02:44:25 | rockaz | Hello, have been reading the Wiki about the E200 port and was wondering if that is reasonably up-to-date or if more has been done and just not reflected there |
02:44:52 | PimpdaddyPayne | in rockbox, is the 176 the width and 54 the height? that doesn't sound right |
02:46:58 | aarcane | of course there are other variables which may affect it, but I'm trying to narrow down the market a bit more to something I'll reallly be happy with rather than just eh. a Portable audio player is alot like a car or a laptop and alot less like a dvd player. if you're not happy with your portable audio player you can't just throw it away and buy a new one, whereas a DVD player costs 40 bucks and you could buy a new one each month until you got the right |
02:47:03 | aarcane | fit. |
02:48:06 | intgr | Why can't you throw away the MP3 player? :) |
02:48:35 | aarcane | it's expensive :( |
02:48:48 | intgr | And if you're really picky, you probably wouldn't be buying the cheapest available DVD players. |
02:49:04 | intgr | But anyway, I see your point. :) |
02:51:33 | PimpdaddyPayne | hmm |
02:51:51 | PimpdaddyPayne | After trying to build rockbox, it sas "make error 2" but doesn't say what the errors are. |
02:52:00 | aarcane | too bad this isn't supported: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855102014 |
02:52:16 | aarcane | PimpdaddyPayne, scroll up a bit and see if it's higher in the output. |
02:55:01 | PimpdaddyPayne | ah ok, this time, it didn't produce the error |
02:56:04 | PimpdaddyPayne | although.. it didn't generate the rockbox.zip |
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03:12:06 | aarcane | so I think I like the cowon iaudio 30/60 gig devices. but I'm curious if it supports loading music from a usb harddrive or direct playback of them. |
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03:12:51 | scorche | USBOTG is not supported if that is what you are referring to |
03:14:10 | aarcane | I guess, is that the USB port on the side ? |
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03:23:17 | Decadestudios | hey anyone here |
03:23:30 | toffe82 | yes |
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03:24:11 | Decadestudios | can u help me |
03:24:23 | Decadestudios | what do I download to get it on my 5th gen 30 gig ipod |
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03:25:29 | toffe82 | sorry I don't know the ipod |
03:25:36 | Decadestudios | dang |
03:25:45 | Decadestudios | :C |
03:26:47 | toffe82 | just wait for somebodyelse |
03:27:11 | TrueJournals | Decadestudios: read the manual |
03:27:18 | TrueJournals | it explains how to do everything |
03:27:51 | deweycooter | Anyone know the code base decently well? I'm looking for init(), as called in app_main() in apps/main.c −− can't find it ... |
03:28:47 | TrueJournals | I wish ;-) |
03:29:11 | linuxstb_ | deweycooter: It's in apps/main.c as well... |
03:29:20 | Decadestudios | k |
03:29:23 | toffe82 | Decadestudios: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
03:29:24 | Decadestudios | Ill look on the site |
03:29:24 | linuxstb_ | Note there are two versions - one for the sim, one for real targets. |
03:32:30 | deweycooter | ok - my brain is gone... thanks. grep " init()" main.c didn't find it because the function def uses void as an arg... |
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03:42:18 | WOOTNESS | Im decadestudios uh my 30 gig ipod |
03:42:22 | WOOTNESS | got stuck on the logo |
03:42:30 | WOOTNESS | after loading up the boot loader |
03:42:35 | WOOTNESS | how do I reset it? |
03:42:51 | linuxstb_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=disk+mode |
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03:46:18 | WOOTNESS | I know how to get to disk mode |
03:46:23 | WOOTNESS | its frozen of the logen |
03:46:26 | WOOTNESS | log* |
03:46:54 | linuxstb_ | Put it in disk mode and finish the install. |
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03:48:46 | WOOTNESS | it cant find my ipod |
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03:49:26 | linuxstb_ | What is "it" ? |
03:49:46 | WOOTNESS | Rockbox boot loader |
03:49:54 | WOOTNESS | version: 1.0 |
03:50:09 | linuxstb_ | You mean it can't find a file called "rockbox.ipod" ? |
03:50:13 | WOOTNESS | IPOD VERSION: 0Xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
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03:50:24 | WOOTNESS | loading rockbox |
03:50:26 | WOOTNESS | error |
03:50:34 | WOOTNESS | cant load rockbox.ipod.exe |
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03:50:41 | WOOTNESS | file not found |
03:50:45 | linuxstb_ | Just re-read the install section in the manual and finish the install. |
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03:56:18 | WOOTNESS | FUCK THIS |
03:56:22 | WOOTNESS | iT BROKE MY IPOD |
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03:57:47 | a1titude | what type of ipod is it? |
03:58:24 | a1titude | oh he left, sorrry! :p |
03:58:29 | a1titude | I'm new to this |
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04:07:30 | BORAT | ohhh nooeee |
04:07:37 | BORAT | my ipod is updating |
04:07:41 | scorche | yagshemash? |
04:07:46 | BORAT | and its deleting ALLL my songs from the ipod |
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04:08:56 | midkay | just pronounced differently. |
04:09:05 | midkay | in fact i'm pretty sure you misspelled the entire word. |
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04:13:25 | scorche | but it got the point accross |
04:13:30 | scorche | across |
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05:32:37 | kravlin | I need help getting rockbox installed on my Toshiba Gigabeat f40. I cant seem to get it to recognize it as a device so i can get into the system files. |
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05:54:32 | telliott | The file name shows as ßaliano.lng |
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10:45:41 | psuedo | where can I find rockbox ipod builds for 60gb video ipods? |
10:46:21 | psuedo | er, that is, ones incorporating patches not in the svn build? |
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11:05:31 | linuxstb | psuedo: Try the "Unsupported Builds" forum |
11:05:42 | psuedo | ah, thanks |
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11:07:36 | earHertz | to go from 2.2 to 2.4, I don't need to chnage the ipod bootloader, just the rockbox.pod? Cause it appears rockbox.ipod is in .rockbox now, not / |
11:07:59 | earHertz | hmm. databse seems to build faster |
11:08:02 | JdGordon | you probably do.. but not because of that move... |
11:08:08 | earHertz | oh shit |
11:08:09 | JdGordon | the bootloader was updated to allow dual core |
11:08:14 | earHertz | cause I didn't, and it seems to work |
11:08:21 | earHertz | oh really? |
11:08:26 | JdGordon | it might crash when you try playing music |
11:08:37 | earHertz | ah, right, when it loads the codecs\ |
11:08:48 | earHertz | bummer. |
11:09:02 | earHertz | I have a buggy coppy of my own patch, which I've gotten sick of |
11:09:15 | linuxstb | earHertz: BTW, welcome back... |
11:09:38 | earHertz | linuxstb: thanks. Long story, but I got a job in another town, and haven't had access to my pc for months |
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11:10:10 | earHertz | database ting seeems MUCH fastre |
11:10:33 | earHertz | is updating the bootloader without my original copy of the apple bootloader possible? |
11:11:06 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean - the Apple bootloader is safely stored in the flash ROM. |
11:11:34 | earHertz | I thought I reacled copying off something when I installed the bootloader, months ago |
11:11:54 | linuxstb | That was the firmware/boot partition. |
11:12:03 | earHertz | yeah, that. |
11:12:07 | linuxstb | But no - just run the new "ipodpatcher" tool and select "install" |
11:12:19 | linuxstb | See in the install section in the manual for download links and instructions. |
11:12:24 | earHertz | oh, thanks |
11:12:33 | earHertz | anyone still using teh scroll wheel accel patch? |
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11:13:15 | linuxstb | I've no idea - there have been a lot of changes to Rockbox so I don't know if anyone has kept it in sync. |
11:13:42 | earHertz | no one relaly should have been, that was more a proff of concept than anything |
11:14:11 | linuxstb | People do like to have extremely long lists though... |
11:14:21 | earHertz | oh, does the standard ipod video build support 64K or just 32K? |
11:14:32 | earHertz | yeah, me too |
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11:14:54 | linuxstb | I guess you mean 64MB ;) No, no-ones incorporated that yet. |
11:15:06 | earHertz | yeah, nb |
11:15:08 | earHertz | mb |
11:15:16 | earHertz | we have a compile option for that |
11:15:18 | earHertz | or we did |
11:15:30 | linuxstb | There was a patch that gives the compile option. |
11:15:42 | earHertz | ok |
11:15:43 | earHertz | yeah |
11:17:34 | earHertz | yeah, I miss the accel, but my personal copy is buggy ;) |
11:17:59 | earHertz | ah, yeah, data abort when I try to play |
11:18:15 | linuxstb | I know Slasheri has been working on similar accelerations to the ones you did, but he's been quiet on that front recently. |
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11:20:36 | earHertz | huh, why's it want fomnts installed before the ipodpatcher runs? |
11:21:17 | linuxstb | That's just the recommended order - install Rockbox first, then install the bootloader. |
11:21:33 | earHertz | eh, I want he fonts anyway |
11:21:38 | linuxstb | Exactly... |
11:23:07 | earHertz | oh, that patcher makes it much easier than I recall it being before |
11:24:16 | earHertz | and playing |
11:29:44 | earHertz | oh, nice |
11:30:05 | earHertz | the defaults are much nicer, and teh scrolling can be sped up some |
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11:31:34 | earHertz | how safe is using teh COP? |
11:32:09 | linuxstb | What do you mean by "safe" ? |
11:32:26 | earHertz | what's the chance it bricks the hardware? |
11:32:38 | * | jhMikeS has a working core lock going on now ... needed to continue moving along with mpegplayer |
11:32:39 | linuxstb | No more than using the main CPU... |
11:34:03 | earHertz | what do you think of senab's build? |
11:34:14 | markun | jhMikeS: you have too many projects :) |
11:34:21 | linuxstb | earHertz: I've never used it |
11:35:18 | jhMikeS | markun: trying to do one thing always makes nescessary getting something else lined up to make it work :\ |
11:36:01 | markun | jhMikeS: yes, I have that problem here at my internship all the time |
11:36:10 | jhMikeS | on the bright side, someone else can move decoding to the cop ;) |
11:36:29 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: When you say "core lock" do you mean Slasheri's function that he's added a #warning to? |
11:36:55 | jhMikeS | yes, but not like he was doing it. there won't be restrictions on queue use |
11:37:23 | linuxstb | Let me know if you want it testing on a PP5020 - they seem to always cause us problems |
11:37:26 | jhMikeS | oddly enough, disabling irqs during task switches seems to speed things up |
11:37:38 | jhMikeS | different that 5024? |
11:37:43 | linuxstb | Yes |
11:38:15 | linuxstb | There are problems that no-one has been able to work out that only apply to the PP5020 - not the 5021/22 and I'm guessing the 5024 |
11:39:10 | jhMikeS | sure thing...I'm not sure if the sansa already had some occasional locking glitch when using buttons or if I created it. I didn't encounter it until some more changes after the initial lock add so I'm just going over with a fine tooth comb |
11:40:01 | linuxstb | For example, Slasheri's core locking worked fine on the PP5021, but caused freezes on the PP5020 |
11:40:02 | jhMikeS | which player is 5020? don't make me look in the config! :) |
11:40:18 | linuxstb | H10, mini 1st gen, 4G greyscale ipod and ipod Color/Photo |
11:40:20 | jhMikeS | it wasn't atomic at all |
11:40:50 | linuxstb | The ipod Nano and Video have the PP5021, and the 2nd Gen mini has the PP5022. |
11:41:41 | jhMikeS | One thing I'd like to know is if the 5002 has the same core id's as the others...if someone could put up a splash and check, it would simplify things. |
11:42:15 | linuxstb | PP5002 owners are rare - I think dan_a is the only dev with one. |
11:42:55 | earHertz | hmm, people still are using my stupid accel patch ;0 |
11:43:17 | jhMikeS | I'd just like to use the same assembly routines especially the 3 instr. current_core for all |
11:44:26 | jhMikeS | It shows CPU = 0x55 but no define of COP |
11:45:02 | jhMikeS | dan_a: pingety ping |
11:45:17 | linuxstb | According to the IPL wiki, it's 0xAA for the COP. |
11:45:41 | jhMikeS | hehe...forgot about IPL |
11:45:46 | jhMikeS | then it's good |
11:46:08 | linuxstb | Although their website is down - google's cache is needed... - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Aipodlinux.org+PP5002 |
11:47:12 | jhMikeS | that one migh've been added later because I seem to remember looking for it...hmmm |
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11:50:04 | liberty_ | seem the ogg decoding cpu usage is higher since 070405 on my iaudio M5. |
11:50:29 | liberty_ | The boost level from about 40% to 50%. |
11:50:55 | liberty_ | The boost level increases from about 40% to 50%. |
11:52:27 | jhMikeS | liberty_: new build? voice file? |
11:53:58 | * | jhMikeS doesn't remember when he aligned the malloc buffer there...voice files made boost go from 19% to 78% due to alignment issues |
11:54:20 | liberty_ | Ogg vorbis files. |
11:54:35 | jhMikeS | for Vorbis on Coldfire it was |
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11:56:01 | liberty_ | what you mean,it was normal? |
11:58:18 | jhMikeS | There was lots of Coldfire DSP work that really made it all extremely fast. my vorbis check were on H120 but it's all really the same |
11:59:25 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: core locking isn't atomic? it should be |
11:59:29 | jhMikeS | ok, you say 070405 is exactly when things slowed down? |
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12:00:11 | liberty_ | I mean since 070405,all later build. |
12:00:15 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: the two stage lock can't be without spinout and interrupts really need to be turned off on task switches |
12:00:32 | linuxstb | liberty_: Have you tested 070406 ? |
12:00:51 | jhMikeS | liberty_: ok, I'll have a look later...I don't know what was changed off hand |
12:01:14 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: hmm, checking that |
12:01:41 | jhMikeS | There no need in my build for irq_safe, it doesn't matter |
12:01:44 | earHertz | Slasheri: you've been working on ipod scroll wheel accel? |
12:01:49 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: it should be atomic between cores but on the same core there could be issues with irqs probably |
12:02:06 | liberty_ | 070405 build is ok,but I've tried 070410 070412 070415 070420 070422 and 070449,their performance is lower! |
12:02:06 | Slasheri | earHertz: yes, but haven't had time recenty |
12:02:23 | earHertz | Slasheri: building on mine, or from scratch? |
12:02:24 | liberty_ | 070429 |
12:02:24 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: so you just disabled irqs? |
12:02:27 | jhMikeS | that's why they get disabled, blocking the irq on another core doesn't hurt anything |
12:02:52 | jhMikeS | yes, and save them per core |
12:02:59 | Slasheri | earHertz: i have designed it from scratch |
12:03:06 | earHertz | cool |
12:03:27 | Slasheri | earHertz: it reacts to speed directly |
12:03:48 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: hmm, that could work |
12:03:59 | earHertz | Slasheri: you calculate teh delta at each interupt? |
12:04:42 | Slasheri | earHertz: after the wheel has moved enough, the delta is calculated compared to time to produce a speed |
12:05:04 | jhMikeS | it darn well should, and I've got nice little asm routines that save and restore efficiently. there were some changes to the way the thread apis call lock_cores and a bunch of message queue alterations in their locking |
12:05:09 | earHertz | Slasheri: yeah, I tried that too |
12:05:30 | earHertz | problem was that the machine was too slow |
12:05:39 | Slasheri | earHertz: that is then calculated little more, speed^2 and so on and finally generating that many events in the queue |
12:05:50 | earHertz | right. |
12:06:09 | earHertz | oh, maybe I did look at yours. You used a loop or somehting? |
12:06:16 | Slasheri | current gui core has already optimizations in so it works correctly with many events in queue |
12:06:33 | Slasheri | yes, a loop at the end to send the events |
12:07:09 | earHertz | ok, yeah, I did look ta that |
12:07:13 | Slasheri | i can make a patch if you wish develop that |
12:07:31 | jhMikeS | In doing that, there's no need for the wakeup list or set_irq_level_and block thread on dual core...maybe, seems removing that might've introduced an issue |
12:07:41 | Slasheri | it still has some issues, it can't go _extremely_ fast because queue can't hold that meny events |
12:08:01 | Slasheri | but it goes through long lists (5000 items or so) in just few seconds |
12:08:39 | earHertz | when did you last work on it? |
12:09:01 | Slasheri | hmm, months ago? :) can't remember.. |
12:09:10 | Slasheri | but i use it everyday |
12:09:43 | jhMikeS | what's with all the freaky red splotches on the build table lately? |
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12:10:26 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Broken build servers I expect |
12:10:27 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: and that would also prevent kernel functions to be called simultaneously on both cores? so no both cores could do task switching at the same time, or write to the same queue? |
12:10:30 | jhMikeS | ld segmentation fault? |
12:10:41 | obo | new version of binutils on debian unstable... seg faults on amd64 |
12:10:49 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: right, and no double entry from IRQs |
12:10:58 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: ok, then it sounds fine |
12:12:00 | jhMikeS | I'm just glad disabling the IRQs actually results in a very simple lock and some extra performance on sansa anyway |
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12:13:52 | jhMikeS | 11 instructions to lock and 12 to unlock |
12:16:52 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: but great you found a fix, indeed the current code isn't atomic on the same core and might cause LOCK to be called twice -> crash |
12:17:08 | Slasheri | so that would explain the problems |
12:17:28 | earHertz | damn you zakkroberts! |
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12:18:22 | markun | earHertz: what did he do this time.. :) |
12:18:32 | earHertz | ok, i couldn't exit the clock |
12:18:42 | earHertz | which is ironic; I helped him code the nitial version |
12:19:23 | markun | earHertz: you know he's midkay here? |
12:19:29 | earHertz | yeah |
12:19:30 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: yeah, I'm going over this...I'm rather motivated to have it going atm |
12:19:39 | earHertz | he was midk before he was zakk, here |
12:20:15 | earHertz | I think I introduced him to switch statements or something ;) |
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12:22:28 | jhMikeS | queue_wait(_w_tmo) also seems to need IRQ blocking on single core as well |
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12:24:11 | scorche | earHertz: in a hotel? o_O |
12:24:21 | earHertz | scorche: how can you tell? |
12:24:35 | scorche | i got bored... |
12:24:37 | jhMikeS | frankly I'd like to not even have a main thread on the COP but doing that need a couple small tricks pulled |
12:24:42 | earHertz | I've been living in hotels for 5 months |
12:24:52 | earHertz | this is why I've not been active in rockbox |
12:24:59 | scorche | ouch |
12:25:16 | scorche | that is more expensive than a regular house, no? |
12:25:22 | earHertz | new job, job goes through consutants like popcorn, expected it not to last |
12:25:41 | earHertz | scorche: it's ~ 1000 - 1200 USD / month |
12:25:49 | earHertz | cheap hotel |
12:26:05 | scorche | ouch |
12:26:10 | earHertz | yeah |
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12:27:46 | JdGordon | when the database does its auto-update, does it remove deleted tracks? |
12:28:06 | Slasheri | JdGordon: if dircache is enabled |
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12:29:30 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ok, ta... |
12:31:48 | earHertz | oh, pause on earplug removed is nice |
12:32:21 | Slasheri | indeed, i often shutdown ipod just by removing earplugs |
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12:32:46 | earHertz | ah, nice, my scroll without my bugs |
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12:35:58 | earHertz | and I see we're using svn, which is great |
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12:41:13 | markun | linuxstb: did you see the gigabeat button layout poll? |
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12:42:29 | markun | looks like the majority thinks the new layout was the best option (least bad?) |
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12:43:28 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, I noticed only one person has voted for the old layout to be reinstated... |
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12:46:08 | markun | I was hoping that people who vote for "other" would explain their ideas |
12:46:09 | * | moos have to admit that the gigabeat keymapping looks strange for him |
12:46:27 | markun | maybe I should have asked for that specifically |
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12:46:38 | markun | explicitly I mean |
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12:46:54 | markun | moos: you'll get used to it :) |
12:47:06 | moos | but that probably due to the habbit of differents rockbox devices |
12:47:10 | moos | hehe :) |
12:47:49 | moos | center click for pause music, 2 ways for up/down volume...a bit strange here |
12:48:08 | markun | do you think the up/down could be used for something else? |
12:48:22 | earHertz | teh mixtape theme is funny |
12:48:29 | markun | nice that the volume buttons work in the lists now |
12:48:36 | moos | imho yes, we have plenty of buttons and doesn't use this advantage :( |
12:48:38 | markun | I never tried it until yesterday |
12:49:30 | moos | for the lists? scrolling you mean? |
12:49:45 | * | moos turn on his gigabeat |
12:49:58 | markun | moos: no, when you are in the menu of file browser you can change the volume |
12:50:07 | moos | ah yes |
12:50:07 | markun | menu OR file browser |
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12:50:29 | moos | I had the habbit to go back to wps for this |
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12:52:26 | moos | markun: why not use those vol+/- buttons for the browsing on the file tree? |
12:52:41 | moos | I mean for exemple browse by page |
12:53:32 | moos | 2 ways for do same things, looks a taste of buttons for my eyes |
12:53:57 | * | moos is habbit to the iaudio and his leack of buttons |
12:54:02 | moos | lack |
12:54:23 | earHertz | moos: you German? |
12:54:29 | moos | French |
12:54:35 | earHertz | ah |
12:54:55 | earHertz | "is habbit to" is "is used to" in English ;) |
12:54:56 | moos | why did you think that I'm german? (curiosity) |
12:55:13 | moos | hehe :-) |
12:55:16 | earHertz | the double b in habbit |
12:55:55 | earHertz | gah, i'd forgotten how slow the ipod disk is |
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13:00:03 | markun | kkurbjun: do you have any ideas to speed up ata transfers on the Gigabeat? |
13:00:31 | moos | 30 seconds for fill the buffer is slow indeed :) |
13:01:13 | markun | we use DMA and also tried the asm version used on other ARM targets, but they give the same speed (6MB/s iirc) |
13:03:37 | linuxstb | Is there a wiki page with the ATA speeds of the different targets? |
13:04:25 | markun | I don't think so |
13:05:22 | linuxstb | I just remembered some tests I did on my ipod - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/speed.txt |
13:05:32 | linuxstb | Seems 6MB/s is faster than those... |
13:05:38 | linuxstb | (for reading) |
13:06:39 | markun | yes, I also believe the ipods were about 2x the gigabeat speed |
13:07:08 | linuxstb | Are you talking about reading or writing? |
13:07:10 | moos | irivers too |
13:07:19 | markun | we didn't find a ATA controller, but LinusN told me you only need some buffering chips or something |
13:07:49 | linuxstb | The CPU doesn't have an ata controller built-in? |
13:09:36 | markun | no |
13:09:40 | markun | not that we found |
13:10:45 | linuxstb | Is your ATA driver based on the version in the toshiba firmware? |
13:11:19 | markun | well, we use the same addresses yes |
13:11:49 | markun | but the rest is just the normal rockbox ata driver |
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13:13:25 | linuxstb | You didn't investigate the original ATA driver very closely then? |
13:13:37 | markun | no |
13:13:42 | linuxstb | i.e. you just found the addresses, put them in the Rockbox driver and stopped because it worked? |
13:13:50 | markun | well, I checked the linux source patch |
13:14:16 | markun | I think it just set up the register addresses and used the normal linux ata driver |
13:14:27 | markun | wait, I'll give you a link |
13:15:10 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/patch-2.4.18-rmk6-gb4r.bz2 |
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13:15:42 | linuxstb | So it could be using DMA mode instead of PIO ? |
13:16:45 | markun | check at line 4714 |
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13:19:27 | markun | do you need anything special to use DMA mode? |
13:19:39 | linuxstb | I've no idea... |
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13:27:13 | PimpdaddyPayne | Ok, I compiled rockbox, but it didn't create the zip archive |
13:27:45 | earHertz | PimpdaddyPayne: you distributing it or just using it? |
13:27:47 | markun | PimpdaddyPayne: "make zip" |
13:27:55 | markun | or did you try that? |
13:28:17 | PimpdaddyPayne | earHertz, using |
13:28:19 | markun | PimpdaddyPayne: did you find out what the problem was with the rockboxdev.sh script? |
13:28:37 | earHertz | PimpdaddyPayne: then make the zip once, and then just rockbox |
13:28:58 | PimpdaddyPayne | i tried, but it says 'no target to make zip' |
13:28:58 | earHertz | you need a new zip only if the chnages chaange, um, basiclaly memory locations of stuff |
13:29:24 | markun | earHertz: what are you talking about man? |
13:29:34 | earHertz | oh, ignore me. sorry |
13:30:03 | markun | PimpdaddyPayne: but just "make" worked? |
13:30:12 | PimpdaddyPayne | yes, just didn't generate a zipf ile |
13:30:12 | markun | and now you have a rockbox.ipod? |
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13:30:52 | PimpdaddyPayne | yes |
13:31:10 | markun | let me try it here |
13:32:06 | markun | which ipod do you have? |
13:32:11 | PimpdaddyPayne | 1g nanno |
13:32:19 | PimpdaddyPayne | ok, make fullzip worked, but not zip |
13:32:28 | markun | weird |
13:32:30 | PimpdaddyPayne | well... half-ass worked |
13:32:37 | PimpdaddyPayne | beep, no dir to copy WPS from! |
13:34:21 | markun | still compiling here.. |
13:36:14 | markun | make zip and make fullzip work fine here |
13:36:26 | PimpdaddyPayne | I wonder what beep, no dir to copy WPS from! means? |
13:36:33 | markun | the WPS problem might be that we forgot to include some files in the tarball |
13:36:42 | markun | which you do get with svn |
13:36:50 | markun | you're using the tarball right? |
13:36:57 | PimpdaddyPayne | yes |
13:37:16 | PimpdaddyPayne | oh no |
13:37:18 | PimpdaddyPayne | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 |
13:37:21 | PimpdaddyPayne | this is the one you gave me earlier |
13:37:24 | markun | yes |
13:37:56 | PimpdaddyPayne | the WPS are already on the machine though, so I can just extract the new zip right? |
13:38:08 | markun | yes, I think it should work |
13:38:10 | PimpdaddyPayne | k |
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13:40:24 | cadu | can't use the 'screen scrolls out of view' correctly on rockbox (gigabeat).....i press center + left right and nothing happens, as one button masks the other....strange |
13:40:37 | cadu | i can use both center and left right to strafe in Doom, at the same time |
13:40:53 | cadu | can someone shed some light into my issue ? |
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13:43:58 | markun | cadu: it was setup to use A+LEFT/RIGHT now I guess? |
13:44:39 | markun | which ACTION are we talking about? |
13:44:40 | cadu | just changed? i'm using it with center+right/left |
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13:45:10 | cadu | btw, writing 'center+right' on the manual is rather strange, coz it actually states you to press both at the same time |
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13:45:31 | cadu | i've just made it work by tapping center and then if i press quickly right the screen scrolls |
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13:46:23 | markun | you just told me it doesn't work with center+right/left, no? |
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13:46:32 | cadu | as it is written, no |
13:46:45 | cadu | pressing center+right as it is written doesn't scrolls it |
13:46:56 | cadu | pressing center , then right, then letting go center ...works :) |
13:47:09 | cadu | so the "+" is actually wrong on the manuals :) |
13:47:30 | markun | and just holding right? |
13:47:33 | markun | without center? |
13:47:51 | markun | hm, maybe not |
13:47:53 | cadu | works too |
13:48:08 | cadu | so, why the manual has 'center+right' ?! o_O |
13:48:40 | cadu | actually the current gigabeat manual is with a typo on the actual shortcut, i read that from another dap manual :) |
13:49:29 | markun | I have no idea why the manual is wrong but it sounds like a normal human error to me |
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13:50:40 | cadu | can i easily correct it? (so i don't bother people else) ? how can i do it ? just get the tex source, edit and then send to 'flyspray' ? |
13:51:25 | markun | yes, or send a patch (svn diff > manual-fix.patch) to flyspray |
13:51:50 | cadu | will do it when i have some spare time, thanks for the information :) |
13:52:05 | markun | maybe you'll find some more errors |
13:52:34 | cadu | it's normal :) i'll help in what i can (which is not much, but it's something, heh) |
13:55:39 | earHertz | what does "charge during usb" in the battery options affect? |
13:57:28 | markun | earHertz: on the Gigabeat it affects nothing, but I don't know about the other players |
13:57:35 | earHertz | thx |
13:58:39 | cadu | markun: gigabeat doesn't charges thru usb? |
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13:59:04 | markun | cadu: it always does, regardless of this setting |
13:59:17 | cadu | heheheeh |
13:59:31 | cadu | btw, i've been thinking about building a external usb charger for it, using AAs |
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14:00:05 | cadu | we could use a simple voltage converter to 5v (2 1.2v AAs (nimh) to 5v) and then use some usb cable, would it work? :P |
14:00:20 | markun | I think so |
14:00:40 | markun | would it be better to charge over USB than the charger connector? |
14:00:57 | cadu | the charger connector uses the same voltage, right ? :) |
14:01:12 | markun | I would have to check the charger |
14:01:34 | cadu | just checked, 5V 3A |
14:01:43 | markun | I know that the current drawn for the charging is limited when charging over USB (500mA I guess) |
14:02:09 | markun | would that be better for the battery pack? |
14:02:10 | cadu | i any of the cases, there's a considerable waste of energy as the display keeps lit |
14:02:28 | markun | you can make your backlight turn off on hold :) |
14:02:45 | cadu | if you power the gigabeat (to charge via usb) , the display stays on |
14:03:04 | cadu | if you charge via the charger connector, it shows an outlet with the thing on all the time... :P |
14:03:24 | cadu | markun: anyway, with the backlight off, there's still a processor running, whatever else |
14:03:34 | markun | yes, not ideal |
14:03:48 | markun | maybe something we can fix with our bootloader in flash.. |
14:04:43 | cadu | is this going to happen anytime soon ? |
14:05:17 | markun | hard to say |
14:05:28 | cadu | would be nice |
14:05:30 | markun | kkurbjun is working in that direction |
14:05:43 | markun | and there is someone else playing with the original flash bootloader |
14:05:59 | cadu | nice :) the current solution is already good (it boots rockbox perfectly) but it's kinda dangerous |
14:06:28 | cadu | like, if you happen to format your dap's hard drive, you can't enter in usb mode anymore, right ? |
14:06:39 | markun | yes, you can |
14:06:45 | cadu | you can? |
14:06:55 | linuxstb | markun: How big is the gigabeat's flash? |
14:07:02 | markun | if it's formatted you will get a error during boot from the OF and it enters USB mode |
14:07:06 | markun | linuxstb: 1MB |
14:07:22 | cadu | markun: so i think i read some wrong gibberish @ internet |
14:07:42 | linuxstb | markun: Where is it mapped to? Is it currently accessible in Rockbox? |
14:07:50 | markun | cadu: but if you screw up the FWIMG01.DAT file then you need to open the player to get it to work again |
14:07:58 | markun | linuxstb: not, it's not mapped |
14:08:08 | cadu | markun: it said that if you remove the FWIMG folder from the hard drive you can't enter in usb mode again |
14:08:09 | markun | damn, we need another bootloader update for that :( |
14:08:28 | markun | because SDRAM is mapped over it |
14:08:34 | markun | at 0x0 |
14:08:38 | linuxstb | markun: It could be useful to map it somewhere and implement the "dump ROM contents" function in the debug menu... |
14:08:46 | linuxstb | I did that recently for the ipods |
14:09:08 | XavierGr | markun: now that you fiddled with button mappings, is there any chance to change the middle button too to fit with the other targets? |
14:09:18 | markun | linuxstb: what do you tink about moving the player specific functions of the debug menu to separate files? |
14:09:29 | markun | XavierGr: no :) |
14:09:41 | cadu | markun: yeah, said also that you have to open the player and do some esoteric procedure, like reconnecting the hard drive with the thing powered on :P |
14:09:45 | markun | well, linuxstb is waiting for me to be on holliday to 'fix' it :) |
14:09:59 | markun | cadu: yes, that |
14:10:01 | XavierGr | markun: damn it is very confusing :P |
14:10:16 | linuxstb | markun: I think the debug menu needs some kind of cleaning/splitting, but it's only debugging code... |
14:10:17 | markun | we could have another poll |
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14:10:49 | markun | XavierGr: just stick to your Gigabeat and ignore the other players :) |
14:10:59 | cadu | maahahhahha |
14:11:03 | cadu | shameless promotion :) |
14:11:13 | XavierGr | markun: also did you know that the option "Turn backlight on, on first key press" applies to the remote too? |
14:11:19 | cadu | but really, the thing runs rockbox very well |
14:11:21 | * | cadu hides :) |
14:12:05 | markun | XavierGr: well, we cheated a bit |
14:12:12 | XavierGr | so when you have that option on, you have to press a remote button twice to get it working |
14:12:22 | XavierGr | but obviously there is no remote screen on the gigabeat remote |
14:12:25 | XavierGr | hehe |
14:12:46 | markun | we just generate the normal buttons when you press something on the remote |
14:12:50 | markun | maybe not so nice |
14:13:13 | XavierGr | well I won't be using my Gigabeat as my primary player until the OF gets out of the box completely, the boot process takes ages |
14:13:31 | linuxstb | Have you replaced the firmware files on disk with the dummy versions? |
14:13:40 | XavierGr | also the bloody screen remote on H300 H100 makes a huge difference on my usage patterns |
14:14:03 | XavierGr | but other than that Gigabeat runs great |
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14:16:02 | linuxstb | markun: Have people complained about the gigabeat bootloader bootsplash disappearing? |
14:16:14 | markun | not that I noticed |
14:16:32 | markun | but I guess they don't update so often |
14:16:42 | markun | or maybe use unofficial builds |
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14:18:21 | linuxstb | markun: "14.08.09 # <markun> damn, we need another bootloader update for that :(" <−−- What were you referring to? |
14:18:52 | markun | linuxstb: the mapping is done in the bootloader, right? |
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14:19:13 | linuxstb | I would expect it's done in Rockbox as well. |
14:19:55 | markun | maybe we could do that as well yes |
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14:20:01 | linuxstb | On the ipods at least, Rockbox does the memory remapping in crt0.S |
14:20:27 | linuxstb | before any position-dependent code is executed. |
14:20:27 | markun | on the Gigabeat it's done in mmu-megfx.c |
14:23:49 | markun | it could probably be simplified a lot with the bootloader in flash |
14:24:05 | linuxstb | Yes, it seems memory_init() is only called once - in the bootloader. |
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14:25:58 | jba | hey gang, it's been a while |
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14:27:52 | linuxstb | markun: BTW, why is a battery cycle required when you change the bootloader on the gigabeat? |
14:28:25 | markun | linuxstb: it is only required when you are in the OF I think |
14:28:36 | jba | linuxstb, i think cause the standard toshy firmware doesn't actually shutdown / restart |
14:28:38 | jba | it sleeps |
14:28:52 | markun | jba: exactly, and hi btw :) |
14:28:57 | jba | hey mate |
14:29:01 | jba | been a while for me |
14:29:09 | markun | yes, busy with the baby I guess |
14:29:13 | jba | things seem to be finally quieting down for me |
14:29:15 | jba | yeah |
14:29:21 | linuxstb | Ah, OK. So it's only needed for the very first Rockbox install? |
14:29:44 | markun | linuxstb: yes |
14:29:44 | jba | how goes the mpeg player plugin? |
14:30:05 | markun | jhMikeS will be working on seeking I think |
14:30:19 | markun | and then we have the most important stuff |
14:30:28 | jba | we already have buffering fixed then? |
14:30:31 | markun | jba: did you try the mpegplayer lately? |
14:30:32 | markun | yes |
14:30:50 | jba | nah, have been afraid to update since you mentioned the bad toshy x issues a few weeks ago |
14:31:21 | linuxstb | When you next upgrade, just make sure you install the new bootloader and new rockbox.zip at the same time. |
14:31:26 | jba | might fire up my rockbox vmware image and upload the source now |
14:31:32 | markun | the X issues have been fixed |
14:31:52 | jba | cool |
14:31:57 | jba | i'll get some latest sources now |
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14:32:45 | jba | svn up running now |
14:32:56 | * | linuxstb wonders how the AMS writeup is coming along..... ;) |
14:33:19 | markun | jba: you also need to update the bootloader |
14:33:21 | markun | don't forget |
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14:33:46 | jba | yeah will make boot and regular target |
14:33:55 | jba | wonder if i should do make clean first |
14:34:00 | * | jhMikeS wonders why the e200 audio randomly switches from boot to boot between sounding good and sounding crappy and tinny :\ |
14:34:06 | jba | it's been a while since i used the dev image |
14:34:25 | linuxstb | jba: You should just delete your build directories and start with clean ones - re-run tools/configure |
14:34:37 | jba | speaking of sounding tinny, anyone notest that the bass levels on the gigabeat don't seem to be too effective? |
14:34:45 | markun | jba: better to remove the build dirs and run tools/configure again |
14:34:47 | jba | maybe it's just bad headphones |
14:34:47 | markun | to be safe |
14:35:07 | jhMikeS | jba: no, but mine pretty head shaking anyway |
14:35:53 | jba | jhMikeS, ? |
14:36:03 | jba | you mean you get base out of your gigabeat? |
14:36:23 | jhMikeS | jba: like nuts...it's one of the best sounding players around imo |
14:36:26 | jba | i have my bass on 7 and it sounds like it's not even turned up |
14:36:31 | jhMikeS | odd |
14:36:51 | jba | maybe it's the iriver earphones i retasked cause the gigabeat one's had a short cable |
14:36:58 | markun | jba: what about the equalizer? |
14:37:00 | * | jhMikeS has to give that AS3514 datasheet a going over |
14:37:11 | markun | do you hear a change with the lower band's gain up? |
14:37:30 | jba | i don't use software equalizer |
14:37:37 | jhMikeS | The bass controls seem to do just fine on it |
14:37:51 | jba | markun, should i try the equalizer |
14:38:05 | jhMikeS | eq too...I'll listen to it real quick while paying attention |
14:38:08 | linuxstb | markun: What address do you think the flash should be remapped to? I chose 0x20000000 on the ipods - is that free on the gigabeat? I'm guessing I want CACHE_NONE as well... |
14:38:22 | markun | linuxstb: yes, it's free |
14:38:39 | markun | CACHE_NONE sounds good yes |
14:39:04 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: want a patch with the core locks to check? I think it's good enough to do a check now. |
14:39:13 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Sure. |
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14:40:17 | jba | markun, hey i tried with a new meg-fx build folder and am getting a make error |
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14:40:52 | jhMikeS | jba: I think you might be right...they seem a little weak on the effect. |
14:41:21 | jba | jhMikeS, yeah and then on some songs it actually seems to distort at high levels, even though you don't hear the effect |
14:41:33 | jba | markun, will query you the make error |
14:41:38 | jba | it's an ld error again |
14:41:40 | jhMikeS | jba: I hear it but, right on too, distortion |
14:42:55 | jhMikeS | jba: in fact, LinusN commented about it when he got his but I thought it might be DSP related or something |
14:42:56 | jba | jhMikeS, when did you get a gigabeat? |
14:43:10 | jba | they are an awesome machine |
14:43:11 | jhMikeS | Maybe a couple months ago or so |
14:43:20 | jba | man i've been outa action for a while |
14:43:30 | jhMikeS | yes, especially what it does for video |
14:43:31 | jba | so jhMikeS do you get an LD error in current svn? |
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14:43:52 | jhMikeS | jba: not yet...I saw one on the build table though |
14:43:58 | jba | maybe i should delete my svn source tree and start again |
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14:44:12 | jhMikeS | could be, or try a revert maybe? |
14:44:35 | jba | i have a very old dev image |
14:44:46 | Pimpdaddypayne | markun, what file are the key bindings defined? |
14:45:02 | jba | markun, you think i should update the cross compiler? |
14:45:11 | markun | Pimpdaddypayne: apps/keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c |
14:45:32 | markun | eh.. that's for gigabeat of course :) |
14:45:49 | Pimpdaddypayne | :P |
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14:47:13 | markun | Pimpdaddypayne: I guess you get the idea and can figure out where yout nano keymap can be found |
14:47:31 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=core_lock.patch.txt |
14:47:36 | Pimpdaddypayne | markun, found it |
14:47:50 | Pimpdaddypayne | markun, my left button doesnt work anymore ;( gonna assign it to something else, like hold.... |
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14:48:28 | jba | hey guys i gotta head off and clean up before sleep |
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14:48:40 | jba | i'll be back tomorrow to try and build a fresh image for my rockbod |
14:48:44 | jba | gigabeat |
14:49:00 | jba | if anyone else figures out that linker error leme know please |
14:49:15 | Pimpdaddypayne | rockbod? |
14:49:25 | * | Pimpdaddypayne hits the gym to get a rockbod |
14:50:08 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm just compiling now - anything specific I should test? |
14:50:09 | jba | hehe |
14:50:38 | Pimpdaddypayne | markun, Do you have an ipod? |
14:50:39 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: just that it doesn't crash/hang whatnot. beat up on mpegplayer a bit. |
14:51:00 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: If Rockbox boots it will be an improvement on the past... |
14:51:34 | jhMikeS | it should panic if the lock gets corrupted but I haven't observed it |
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14:53:24 | markun | Pimpdaddypayne: no, iriver h120 and gigabeat f40 |
14:53:42 | Pimpdaddypayne | markun, what the heck do you need that many media players for? |
14:53:55 | markun | just 2 |
14:54:08 | JdGordon | 2 is a sane amount... some of the devs have 4+ |
14:54:08 | JdGordon | ! |
14:54:51 | * | jhMikeS is insane as usual |
14:55:43 | * | jhMikeS has 5 and probably won't stop there |
14:55:44 | markun | there are also people who have a huge collection of the same player.. (points to toffe with his Gigabeat fetish) |
14:56:45 | jhMikeS | I can understand the taper's fetish with the H1xx series and the need to stock up on that one |
14:56:47 | * | Soap doesn't even develop and has 4 of his own plus the steady stream of ones he buys and sells. |
14:59:12 | Pimpdaddypayne | woot |
14:59:18 | Pimpdaddypayne | fixed my not having a left button :P |
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15:01:40 | Pimpdaddypayne | rockbox won't run on 2G nano will it? |
15:02:20 | TrueJournals | "Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported" - www.rockbox.org |
15:02:23 | TrueJournals | Right at the top |
15:02:24 | earHertz | jesus |
15:02:31 | earHertz | is the tag databse screwwed up? |
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15:03:12 | Pimpdaddypayne | They aren't supported on ipl either...what causes that? |
15:03:15 | Pimpdaddypayne | they are too new? |
15:03:47 | earHertz | no, the older copy I had worked |
15:04:12 | Soap | the Nano 2nd Generation, though it looks like a tiny version of the Mini...it is the first non-standard iPod ever. |
15:04:15 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it's that bad? :o |
15:04:35 | Pimpdaddypayne | Soap, So it's not the same as the 1G Nano? |
15:04:44 | Soap | not at all |
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15:05:29 | JdGordon | Soap: of course you mean non-standard hardware wise.... |
15:05:30 | Soap | All the other iPods are siblings. It is the third cousin, twice removed, who speaks a foreign language. |
15:05:46 | JdGordon | looks (i.e the thing suers care about) is exactly the same |
15:06:07 | Soap | well yea. There's a strong family resemblance ;) |
15:06:56 | earHertz | tag databse is not displaying track numbers for several files in each album, thus making the album sort wrong |
15:08:01 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: is there any reason the encoder menus couldnt be converetd to the new api? |
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15:08:44 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I don't really know because I'm not that familiar with it. If you know, go ahead. They are the most dynamic menus I think. |
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15:09:20 | JdGordon | oh, they are dynamic are they? hmmm |
15:10:16 | jhMikeS | Completely different menus for each encoder and they sync settings together. |
15:10:40 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: whats with enc_no_config_menu? can that be changed to a plain empty menu? |
15:10:58 | JdGordon | or better yet... a splash |
15:11:19 | Pimpdaddypayne | The apple logo that comes on when you first turn the ipod on.... is that part of the firmware? or is that something hardcoded into the unit? |
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15:11:31 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: that could work. can the string be dropped? it won't be voiced though right? |
15:12:01 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: well, there is plans to voice splash screens, and the splash would still use te string.. so no |
15:12:05 | earHertz | Pimpdaddypayne: flash apple bootloader, i think |
15:12:07 | jhMikeS | or just use the string in the splash, heh |
15:12:57 | jhMikeS | I suppose make it "No Settings" instead of "(No Settings)" though |
15:13:43 | JdGordon | meh, its good enough |
15:13:59 | JdGordon | just trying to kill the need for the menu old api wrappers |
15:14:11 | JdGordon | should shrink binary a fair bit if that can be moved to the plugin api |
15:14:20 | jhMikeS | I haven't looked at that since I made it keep the status bar in sync. It needs it's own menu function atm. |
15:14:59 | jhMikeS | enc_run_menu since it passes data. is that a problem still or not? |
15:15:17 | JdGordon | im not sure... I'm pretty sure I can handle that in the new api fairly easily... |
15:15:21 | JdGordon | gonna have a play |
15:16:48 | JdGordon | http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dump070429231526hp2.png <- worst font ever! |
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15:17:40 | jhMikeS | haha...yeah, that one's a bit gaudy |
15:18:03 | jhMikeS | and next to the nice icons too |
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15:18:40 | JdGordon | using a splash for no settings works fine btw |
15:20:11 | jhMikeS | good...that shouldn't cause problems since it doesn't modify anything at all |
15:21:52 | Pimpdaddypayne | Anyone have a picture of Tux 176x54? |
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15:22:39 | earHertz | rockbox isn't a linux system |
15:22:39 | jhMikeS | I don't want to lose the simple list in there since adding encoders is rather a breeze atm. We'll be able to just plug a menu in if the other encoders get one? |
15:22:52 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: can we use NULL for the menu to show the splash instead of aving that extra function? saves a bit of space |
15:23:19 | austriancoder | Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AudioHardwareAPIProposal - badly formated, but I am not a wiki hero |
15:23:41 | * | JdGordon will only convert in such a way that nothing breaks |
15:23:44 | jhMikeS | sure |
15:24:20 | jhMikeS | So you just check if the function is NULL and then show the splash if it is? should be good that way |
15:24:35 | JdGordon | yeah |
15:25:04 | JdGordon | and it works :) |
15:25:07 | earHertz | won't a null check actually mean more compiled code? |
15:25:07 | jhMikeS | it was only there to show something in place of a menu in the first place |
15:25:34 | * | jhMikeS probably should have done that from the getgo |
15:25:40 | JdGordon | yes, but it means a function isnt needed, and 1 less function call |
15:26:23 | earHertz | right, but having an empty fucntion makes the code a bit smaller |
15:26:23 | jhMikeS | it should be a bit less so actually |
15:26:46 | earHertz | as the length of the emptty fucntion is just on assembly command, an iret |
15:26:57 | earHertz | s/on/one |
15:27:47 | JdGordon | the only change really was changing a function call to a if() |
15:28:08 | jhMikeS | you can really bypass all the code once the validity of the format is checked |
15:29:13 | JdGordon | we'll find out the delta in 4 min :p |
15:29:21 | JdGordon | untill then... im getting some tucker |
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15:30:26 | jhMikeS | I know enc_config_menu is #if 0'ed out but should probably be synced for keep it all correct |
15:31:29 | JdGordon | ah, didnt see that, ok |
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15:35:47 | JdGordon | little green delta :) too bad none of those targets really care about bin size |
15:37:54 | jhMikeS | well, it's 1/2940th of a second more encoder buffer :) |
15:39:37 | JdGordon | depends on the codec no? |
15:40:18 | jhMikeS | yes, but for the hardcore tapers it should be that |
15:40:29 | JdGordon | :) |
15:41:12 | JdGordon | I think this global variable is going to make things difficult |
15:41:27 | jhMikeS | which? |
15:41:49 | JdGordon | the one named global which is passed around all the menus |
15:41:50 | jhMikeS | that array? |
15:42:02 | JdGordon | bool global |
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15:43:09 | jhMikeS | you can add it to struct enc_config and set it before calling |
15:44:03 | My_Sic | does someone can help me ? problem with cygwin |
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15:49:07 | jhMikeS | I'd add it to the end though or else the codec API will have to go up |
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16:05:32 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: the patch bricked your DAP and now you're all "what an a55hole" now?...:D |
16:08:23 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: exiting the menu then going back in changes the bitrate back to 16... but if the menu doesnt exit i can keep going into the menu and it will show the correct value... i take it this means ive broken it? |
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16:11:50 | jhMikeS | ummm, yeah...it should always show it right |
16:12:11 | QwertMan | I hear that RockBox is no longer under development, and that any current bugs will not be fixed, is this true? I have a Sansa e250 and plan on installing RockBox on it. |
16:12:45 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: And the statusbar should always sync immediately upon exiting a setting |
16:13:38 | JdGordon | QwertMan: whoever told you that is a moron |
16:13:41 | jhMikeS | QwertMan: yes, shop is closing up soon |
16:14:38 | jhMikeS | seems noone cares enought to make it worth it and we just decided the original firmware was better than anything we could ever hope to accomplish...so all good things... |
16:15:53 | QwertMan | I get it. So basically there aren't many people still producing it because everybody is ok with the current firmware, but there will still be updates and patches now and then. |
16:17:34 | JdGordon | QwertMan: invert your entire comment and its true |
16:18:07 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: got it working... not sure which version looks nicer though... needed to put in a small hack or 3 to make it work |
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16:19:32 | jhMikeS | why should it look any different :? |
16:20:31 | * | jhMikeS forgot to tell him "gullible" isn't in the dictionary as well |
16:21:56 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It was nothing personal - my ADSL just decided to stop working and fail to reconnect... |
16:22:16 | linuxstb | Rockbox itself seems to work fine, but mpegplayer freezes. |
16:22:27 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: http://rafb.net/p/x5LDjf30.html is the diff |
16:22:42 | linuxstb | The first time I tried mpegplayer, it froze on a black screen immediately without any playback. The second time it worked, but when I pressed STOP, it froze. |
16:24:04 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: odd, I'd think if there we're some fundamental problem it would show up on all of them |
16:25:29 | jhMikeS | there is some stuff in there that's not safe yet and timing changes could cause it...I'll have to think I guess |
16:25:51 | linuxstb | I need to out for a short while now, but when I get back I'll test again with a clean SVN. I've got a few local changes which shouldn't affect things, but you never know. |
16:26:18 | linuxstb | I'll also make sure that SVN mpegplayer is working OK - I haven't tried it for a while. |
16:27:25 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it seems to be, even on sansa. you can also test it with the C locks to see if that changes things |
16:27:42 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: You want me to apply that and check it? |
16:28:24 | JdGordon | well.. it works in the sim... more just make sure the code is still understandable |
16:29:00 | jhMikeS | I think so |
16:29:48 | JdGordon | ... and make sure that doesnt break anything im not aware of |
16:29:59 | jhMikeS | It's best I do a run then |
16:34:56 | jhMikeS | compiling...etc... |
16:40:32 | JdGordon | so anyway... one nice bonus with this change is that codecs can have full blown menus here, not only function calls |
16:42:43 | jhMikeS | it seems to be working alright |
16:43:13 | JdGordon | and the code doesnt seem any worse than before? :) |
16:43:14 | jhMikeS | what's the string "MP3 encoder settings" used for? |
16:43:20 | JdGordon | the title |
16:43:30 | JdGordon | I change it to LANG_ENCODER_SETTINGS |
16:43:35 | JdGordon | changed* |
16:43:40 | jhMikeS | ah |
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16:44:06 | JdGordon | we _could_ add it in for each codec, but I dont think its necassary |
16:44:54 | JdGordon | also, adding it would make a red delta :p |
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16:45:05 | jhMikeS | everything could use struct menucallback_data to even it all out instead of the global param |
16:45:28 | jhMikeS | why add it for a codec with no settings? :) |
16:46:32 | JdGordon | the string? we wouldnt... but the h300 delta will be about -28... so adding the mp3 title might just put it over ;p |
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16:47:22 | jhMikeS | I guess mp3_enc_convert_config and the dummy menu prototypes for the other encoders should use the struct |
16:47:35 | jhMikeS | To add the string as LANG_*? |
16:48:12 | jhMikeS | so should this one go in the menus directory too? |
16:49:16 | austriancoder | I have a question... should we enable or disable BIAS in the as3514 audio codec driver? Whats about adding dither to the audio stream? |
16:49:19 | JdGordon | I dont know... possibly |
16:49:37 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: is that file used for anything other than the configs/menu? |
16:50:18 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: updated diff http://rafb.net/p/XInZ2x22.html |
16:50:45 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: I don't know yet but it randomly sounds tinny and bad/good so maybe that |
16:51:29 | austriancoder | what does BIAS exactly? |
16:53:01 | Rincewind | jdGordon (or someone else who knows it): I need a settings value inside firmware/powermgmt.c is it ok to include settings.h there and use the globalsettings struct? |
16:53:14 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: what about mp3_enc_convert_config? |
16:53:30 | JdGordon | Rincewind: no |
16:53:40 | JdGordon | firmware cannot user apps/ |
16:53:41 | * | jhMikeS should look up the BIAS thingy |
16:53:43 | JdGordon | use* |
16:54:04 | Rincewind | then it is good that I asked here first |
16:54:13 | JdGordon | :) |
16:54:24 | Rincewind | what do you mean with "use*"? |
16:54:35 | jhMikeS | the codec chip seems to end up with random settings at boot though |
16:54:59 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: well... I dont really see the benefit of changing that to make 1 param instead of two |
16:55:10 | JdGordon | Rincewind: that was me saying i meant to type use instead of user |
16:55:24 | Rincewind | I see |
16:55:49 | JdGordon | Rincewind: for firmare/ settings you need a global in your file and a function to get/set it from apps/ (look in backlight.c for a horrible example) |
16:57:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: consistent params I guess and save maybe another dozen bytes :\ ... I like squeezing things down but I'm obsessive |
16:57:41 | JdGordon | got a better name for menucallback_data then? |
16:58:06 | JdGordon | and wont it be more code, because it would need to do data->cfg every time instead of cfg? |
16:59:22 | jhMikeS | hehe...struct config_param_data :P |
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17:00:00 | jhMikeS | just to test the global variable? |
17:00:47 | jhMikeS | I might reverse all that...it might have to be as is |
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17:01:10 | JdGordon | :) ok, ill leave as is and commit then... it can be changed later if needed |
17:01:17 | jhMikeS | yeah, hrm...that's one's probably best left as is |
17:01:26 | JdGordon | after this only onplay.c and debug_menu.c use the old api |
17:01:48 | jhMikeS | isn't there something else? |
17:01:55 | JdGordon | well.. plugins |
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17:02:20 | jhMikeS | I'm thought I remembered something but you probably got at it already |
17:02:52 | JdGordon | im going to grab the old menu code and copy it straight into the plugin lib code as a stand in untill they are all changed |
17:03:03 | jhMikeS | the codec settings could have been it... |
17:03:22 | My_Sic | does someone using coLinux to build rockbox ? |
17:05:51 | * | jhMikeS can't help feel like there's some old style menu hiding in some obscure corner but then exhaustion does that |
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17:07:27 | jhMikeS | working on PP target has a way of zapping one's energy |
17:08:35 | markun | jhMikeS: hopefully I'll find a nice blackfin DAP for you to have fun with |
17:09:28 | JdGordon | My_Sic: Soap does |
17:09:48 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: i did a search for menu_init and only onplay.c and debug_menu.c and plugins come up |
17:10:03 | Soap | ? |
17:13:08 | JdGordon | Soap: My_Sic was looking for colinux help... |
17:13:36 | jhMikeS | markun: sadist! |
17:13:53 | Soap | My_Sic: let's either PM, or join me in #JunkChannel |
17:14:09 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: ah...not something I came up with in a stupor at least :) |
17:14:44 | markun | jhMikeS: the one I found was unethical to buy according to linuxstb because of the total disregard for open source licenses |
17:14:47 | markun | :) |
17:15:48 | jhMikeS | because they use open source and then don't publish? |
17:16:06 | markun | yes |
17:16:21 | jhMikeS | then it's ethical to steal one |
17:16:34 | markun | and mix gpl stuff with closed source stuff (wmv code from MS) |
17:17:08 | jhMikeS | we're sort of halfway there with secret hardware docs :\ |
17:17:35 | markun | leaked docs you mean? |
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17:18:49 | markun | I found a 'tear down' of the Ainol V1000 (can't find it again but I have a bookmark at work) and I was able to find datasheets for all the components at least |
17:18:53 | intgr | <My_Sic> does someone using coLinux to build rockbox ? |
17:19:06 | markun | a DAC from TI, philips chip for USB |
17:19:10 | intgr | coLinux is in no way different from native Linux as far as the user space is concerned, so there shouldn't be any difference. |
17:19:29 | jhMikeS | no, things like the AS3514 docs...but then again, perhaps it's not so bad since perhaps we can show that open source and confidential information can comingle |
17:20:23 | intgr | Can anyone grant me access to create wiki pages? I'd like to summarize the information I've found out about SigmaTel STMP3xxx chips. |
17:22:02 | Soap | intgr: your Wiki name is? |
17:22:46 | intgr | Soap: Got it? |
17:23:17 | Soap | give this old man a second. |
17:23:26 | intgr | Sure. :) |
17:23:46 | Rincewind | JdGordon: is there a way to have a default value for a setting dynamically (the default value depends on runtime parameters) and a fixed value is only used when the user explicitly changes the setting? |
17:23:48 | intgr | Just that some people (ironically) don't notice "notice" messages |
17:24:20 | Soap | you should be in |
17:24:25 | intgr | Thanks. |
17:24:27 | jhMikeS | markun: what is it that so different about blackfin anyway? |
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17:24:49 | intgr | Soap: "Access check on TWiki.SigmaTelSTMP3xxx failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web." |
17:24:58 | intgr | Oh, should I be creating it inside Main? |
17:25:03 | JdGordon | Rincewind: no reason why not... i think sound sort of does that |
17:25:07 | JdGordon | what are you trying to do? |
17:25:21 | intgr | Soap: Yeah, it works; never mind. |
17:25:26 | Rincewind | I am trying to introduce a scale parameter for the runtime estimate |
17:25:42 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SigmaTelSTMP3xxx is what I _assume_ the path should be, but I'm not a wiki admin/mod |
17:25:47 | Rincewind | I want to have menu item, where the maximum runtime can be set |
17:25:49 | Soap | oh, nevermind. |
17:26:59 | Rincewind | if the user doesn't set the runtime, then the default calculated value without scaling should be shown in the menu |
17:27:18 | * | jhMikeS wonders if the BIAS thing isn't what's being set randomly on sansa, seems to be an impedance issue at that |
17:27:48 | markun | jhMikeS: it's a RISC CPU + DSP but unlike TI with a lot of documentation |
17:27:52 | JdGordon | Rincewind: for sure thats possible... but im way too tired to help you out tonight im afraid :( |
17:27:54 | markun | and the asm is very nice to look at |
17:27:55 | JdGordon | going to bed ina few min |
17:28:33 | Rincewind | just one more question: do I have to write a callback for that or is this the wrong way? |
17:28:38 | jhMikeS | odd...I thought TI was more openly |
17:28:38 | Slasheri | i think rockbox should try estimate the average current consumption under longer period of time (for example a few minutes) to give a better estimate |
17:28:54 | markun | jhMikeS: with the DM320? |
17:29:35 | jhMikeS | heck if I know a DM320 from a hole in my head atm |
17:31:24 | jhMikeS | sounds like the blackfin would be fun one with all it's mac stuff |
17:32:54 | markun | jhMikeS: take a look at the nice code in here: http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/bfin/ |
17:35:30 | jhMikeS | it almost reminds me of BASIC code...odd looking assembly |
17:35:44 | markun | but easy to understand |
17:36:15 | markun | thinks like: [−−SP] = (R7:4, P5:3); // Push the registers onto the stack. |
17:37:40 | markun | although I'm not sure what R7:4 is :) (R7,R8,R9,R10?) |
17:38:14 | jhMikeS | what, you don't like, lea (-8, %sp), %sp; movem.l d0/d1, (%sp) or ldmdb [sp]!, { r0, r1 } ? |
17:38:51 | markun | :) |
17:39:15 | jhMikeS | perhaps the byte you're interested in? heck if I know but I suppose one programming task and I would |
17:39:31 | markun | yes, indeed |
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17:40:15 | jhMikeS | about the most atrocious assembly, except maybe for PICs is x86 |
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17:45:42 | jhMikeS | of course that SH stuff look like they didn't know if they wanted it to look like 68000 or ARM |
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17:57:26 | * | jhMikeS wonders about enabling recording on the sansa |
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18:11:59 | shriphani | has rockbox been released for the 80 gb ipod ? |
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18:25:08 | intgr | Any website admins around? |
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18:51:53 | web-taz | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42675 <−− what means MULTI and NON-MULTI? |
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19:08:10 | kkurbjun | markun, I havn't looked at the ATA driver/interface at all so I can't really speak on it. |
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19:29:05 | web-taz | hello? |
19:29:19 | reabsind | hello, I need WikiEdit privileges on RockBox...who do I contact on here? |
19:29:54 | web-taz | can anybody tell me the difference between the MULTI an NON-MULTI Builds http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42675 |
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19:31:06 | web-taz | please |
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19:33:15 | reabsind | multiple versions? |
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19:36:51 | reabsind | to me multi-build seems like a custom version of rockbox created by one developer |
19:36:56 | massiveH | does anyone have the files needed to flash rockbox on a recorder v1, as the wiki links are dead? |
19:38:16 | web-taz | and what is then the nonmulti build? they're also a custom build... |
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19:41:19 | Domonoky | web-taz: just guessing but it could be a build with the multi-font patch.. but ask on mystic river, custom builds are not supported here |
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19:42:08 | web-taz | builds without mulifont dont support some wps, don't they? |
19:42:12 | reabsind | it has multi −−- many stuff .. including fonts (perhaps even boot)...but yes, it looks like a custom build |
19:42:53 | web-taz | okay |
19:42:54 | web-taz | thx |
19:43:24 | QwertMan | 1 quick question: On the website there's talk about how with RockBox on the Sansa e200 you can't connect to the computer through USB. Does this mean once you're running RockBox on the Sansa you're stuck with what you've got, or are you able to boot the Sansa OS to connect to USB. |
19:44:09 | Domonoky | QwertMan: i dont have a sansa, but it is probably that you have to boot the Sansa OS |
19:44:29 | Domonoky | completly loosing USB would be silly.. |
19:44:46 | QwertMan | Yeah, I just wanted to be safe |
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19:45:28 | Domonoky | you can uninstall rockbox on every player, so there must be USB ( by booting the OF) |
19:46:27 | reabsind | Yep...you can restart SANSA in recovery mode to restore the original (OEM) firmware |
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19:46:43 | reabsind | web-taz: BTW, I am just guessing... will confirm it for you |
19:47:19 | Domonoky | be carefull with the recovery mode on Sansa, afaik you can brick the sansa in this mode.. |
19:47:34 | Domonoky | so read the Manual ! :-) |
19:47:48 | QwertMan | Ok, not even sure what recovery mode is |
19:48:05 | QwertMan | I just installed the bootloader for rockbox.. this better not mess anything up |
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19:48:27 | Domonoky | yes that should be safe (via sansapatcher) |
19:48:43 | Domonoky | but, read the manual, its very helpfull.. |
19:49:29 | QwertMan | kk... Wow, there's that junk at the top of the screen I was reading about on the forums |
19:49:55 | reabsind | webtaz: Mutli build is "Multi font" build |
19:50:18 | Domonoky | the sansa port is in an early state, so expect a few problems, but they will get better over time.. |
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19:52:21 | QwertMan | Yeah, it's really fidgety. I just got an error. It doesn't detect my music folder... weird. |
19:52:42 | robin0800 | ie different fonts in one WPS |
19:53:02 | Domonoky | QwertMan: i dont have a sansa, so i cant help. sorry.. |
19:53:22 | Domonoky | but have a look in the forums / wiki an manual.. |
19:54:54 | reabsind | hpeeze>if i put rockbox on my sansa e200 how can i remove it or go back to the original firmware? |
19:54:55 | reabsind | angusthefuzz>use the sansapatcher and hit the 'u' key when it asks |
19:54:56 | reabsind | angusthefuzz>or power on the player while pressing hte |<< key |
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19:54:57 | reabsind | hpeeze>where can i get the sansapatcher? |
19:54:58 | reabsind | angusthefuzz>just read the manual for the sansa port of rockbox |
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19:54:59 | reabsind | 05:39:10angusthefuzzits all in there |
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19:59:57 | Domonoky | has anyone tested my rbutil patch ? |
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20:37:40 | linuxstb | Domonoky: You know how to silence a room.... :) |
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20:44:18 | hostf4cekilla | if there any capacity whatsoever for NTP syncing rockbox clock? |
20:44:49 | markun | how? |
20:44:57 | linuxstb | Not until USB host drivers are written and a TCP/IP stack... |
20:45:19 | hostf4cekilla | how bout a box-side shell script? |
20:45:39 | intgr | Well, you don't really need NTP to synchronize a clock. |
20:45:54 | markun | a bit overkill maybe :) |
20:46:03 | markun | hostf4cekilla: what would the script do? |
20:46:26 | QwertMan | arg... looks like RB doesn't support wma, any patch for this? |
20:46:46 | linuxstb | QwertMan: No, but it's planned to be worked on over the summer |
20:46:50 | hostf4cekilla | probably write to some offset file in the .rockbox folder |
20:47:32 | markun | hostf4cekilla: maybe you can come up with such a script. I don't see how it should work exactly |
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20:47:59 | hostf4cekilla | anybody familar with where the Clock plugin internals are located? |
20:48:06 | linuxstb | apps/plugins/clock.c |
20:48:27 | hostf4cekilla | lemme go parse that... thanks, all. |
20:48:31 | linuxstb | But I'm not sure how that's useful for this task |
20:50:09 | markun | hostf4cekilla: but feel free to work on it, I would like to be able to sync my clock somehow. |
20:54:23 | intgr | Any ideas whether Rockbox would compile with a GCC 1.x compiler? :) |
20:54:54 | intgr | Well, the most compiler I found supporting my target is based on GCC 1.37.1, written in 1992 :) |
20:55:07 | markun | intgr: which target is that? |
20:55:17 | intgr | Motorola DSP56004 |
20:55:22 | markun | which player? |
20:55:44 | intgr | In a SigmaTel STMP3411 SoC chip, inside a Philips Rush SA230 player. |
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20:57:50 | intgr | The STMP3xxx chip is amazingly popular; there would probably already exist a Rockbox port if it had a decent compiler. |
20:58:09 | intgr | iPod Shuffle, for one, is also using it. |
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20:59:04 | BHSPitMonkey | when is rockbox getting ported to the Shuffle, speaking of which? |
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21:00:35 | intgr | Don't get your hopes up −− when there's an adequate compiler for the target. |
21:00:45 | BHSPitMonkey | rawr. |
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21:00:59 | BHSPitMonkey | voice menus on a shuffle... |
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21:08:23 | EbErT | crap, looks like rockbox sucked ALL the juice out of my ipod |
21:08:40 | EbErT | i let it idle while plugged in on rockbox, shouldn't it charge some? |
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21:17:15 | Soap | depends on many factors. |
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21:26:25 | webguest23 | i just put the latest build on my ihp-120 now no music will play |
21:27:50 | markun | webguest23: what happens? |
21:29:08 | webguest23 | it sits at 0 and some error message keeps popping up but i can't read it because it flashes away too quickly |
21:29:15 | petur | webguest23: 1) if there's a rockbox.iriver file in the root, remove it. 2) did you unzip all? |
21:29:29 | webguest23 | yeah unziped all |
21:29:51 | webguest23 | it says codec failure |
21:30:10 | petur | what about my point (1)? |
21:30:24 | webguest23 | working on that |
21:32:18 | webguest23 | ok now when it boots it says "loading firmware result -1" |
21:32:33 | markun | you might have a very old bootloader then |
21:32:41 | petur | how old is your bootloader? |
21:32:49 | webguest23 | way old |
21:32:54 | petur | bingo |
21:32:59 | webguest23 | been using rockbox for like 5 years |
21:33:05 | webguest23 | maybe 4 |
21:33:18 | petur | better install the latest bootloader |
21:33:24 | webguest23 | cool |
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21:36:50 | webguest23 | is there anything special i need to do because i already have the bootloader or should i just follow the instructions |
21:38:42 | petur | don't know about h1xx, maybe just follow the instructions? |
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21:41:02 | Sanit | hey, there used to be a bug in Rockbox, which was, while you are recording to wav through line in and you are recording for a while, the recording would be sped up at some parts, and will be fine at others... is that fixed now |
21:41:03 | Sanit | ? |
21:41:56 | markun | petur: you know a lot about recording, right? |
21:42:10 | petur | a bit ;) |
21:42:50 | petur | it was better before jhMikeS changed it |
21:43:01 | petur | my knowledge about it I mean |
21:43:13 | Sanit | I used to record some band practices from starty to finish. They were about 3-5 hours long. The recordings were how I described |
21:43:32 | Sanit | this was about 5 months ago though, I have just started again, and don't know if it has improved |
21:43:54 | petur | I can't remember that issue |
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21:44:13 | Sanit | hhhm, just me then :( |
21:44:18 | petur | recording is fine, there might be an issue with REP though |
21:44:25 | petur | what target? |
21:44:30 | Sanit | H300 |
21:44:30 | webguest23 | sweet it works now thanks...when did the ui change? |
21:44:33 | amiconn | 'evening |
21:44:44 | Sanit | well, H320 with a 30GB hard drive |
21:44:50 | petur | Sanit: works fine on my h380 :p |
21:44:58 | amiconn | Bagder: Now storebror has that nasty ld segfault problem. Seems like it's not 64 bit only... |
21:45:02 | Sanit | how long were the recordings though? |
21:45:10 | Sanit | the small recordings work fine for me |
21:45:20 | Sanit | any longer than 20 mins and it starts happening |
21:45:30 | Sanit | its no problem, it is probally fixed now anyway |
21:45:39 | petur | Sanit: mostly around 45 to 90 minutes |
21:46:01 | Sanit | ah, and they were all fine? |
21:46:14 | petur | sure |
21:46:21 | Sanit | thats ok then |
21:46:28 | Sanit | thanks |
21:47:08 | petur | webguest23: recently |
21:47:28 | markun | webguest23: 2007-03-01 |
21:47:45 | webguest23 | cool |
21:47:55 | webguest23 | thanks for your help |
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22:09:54 | myndzi | hrm.. my disk is not spinning down, it keeps having activity periodically; how can i figure out what is causing it? it keeps doing it even if i stop playback, or let it play, or pause, etc. |
22:10:06 | myndzi | h340 player |
22:10:42 | earHertz | myndzi: you don't have a debug build, by any chance? |
22:11:04 | myndzi | don't think so |
22:11:18 | myndzi | of course about 10 seconds after i said that it finally DID spin down |
22:11:22 | myndzi | but it went on for quite a while |
22:11:31 | myndzi | i thought maybe it was updating the database (i'd just put files on it), but auto-update is disabled |
22:11:42 | earHertz | dunno |
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22:11:53 | reabsind | How do I get wikiedit permissions??? |
22:13:11 | earHertz | not sure. register? |
22:13:19 | myndzi | register and ask in here |
22:13:28 | desowin | reabsind: register and tell your name so we can add you to the list |
22:13:29 | reabsind | registered |
22:13:38 | reabsind | with the same name |
22:13:50 | reabsind | ReabSind |
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22:15:41 | desowin | done |
22:15:55 | reabsind | thank you.. |
22:16:21 | reabsind | I was trying to disassemble an ARM-based TeleChip firmware |
22:16:28 | petur | err... reabsind: is that your real name? |
22:16:59 | reabsind | it does have my real name in it :) |
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22:17:30 | desowin | umm, it is your name and surname together ? I assume yes ... |
22:17:52 | reabsind | it seems there are number of players on the telechip arm series |
22:18:15 | reabsind | Right from TCC76x Series - TCC82x |
22:18:16 | petur | reabsind: please register with your real name (MyName style), funky looking names may/will get removed during cleanup actions |
22:18:51 | reabsind | y is that? |
22:19:09 | reabsind | as long as a nick contributes... |
22:19:52 | desowin | rules on wiki states that you have to choose nick on wiki which is NameSurname |
22:20:13 | earHertz | legal reasons |
22:21:23 | reabsind | ouch! ...If my employer figures out I am spending time on extra-curricular activies.... that won't give me a good pay hike :P |
22:21:45 | desowin | you're in work now ? |
22:21:56 | earHertz | actually, maqny employers will see open source work as evidence that you're a serious programmer |
22:21:56 | reabsind | yes I am working |
22:22:06 | reabsind | not mine |
22:22:10 | desowin | or your employee is moron and forbids you to work on open-source |
22:22:18 | reabsind | yes, you could say that |
22:22:18 | earHertz | however, it's also necessary that your employer not cliam that your rockbox work is owned by them |
22:23:08 | reabsind | Well..then maybe I should just look somewhere else... |
22:23:13 | reabsind | thanks guys :) |
22:23:30 | reabsind | I will start up a blog and get working there...till then buh bye rockbox |
22:23:53 | earHertz | good luck |
22:24:06 | reabsind | I was here to help.....that's what open source means to me |
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22:24:15 | jknotzke | Hi |
22:24:17 | jknotzke | major problem.. |
22:24:24 | jknotzke | i installed rockbox on my ipod |
22:24:30 | reabsind | and if there are legal hassles here too... then I rather work on something new |
22:24:31 | jknotzke | booted it |
22:24:33 | jknotzke | all is ok |
22:24:34 | Domonoky | reabsind: you could work on rockbox in your free time :-) during work hours, you should work :-) |
22:24:43 | jknotzke | then deleted .rockbox on the ipod |
22:24:50 | jknotzke | then removed the bootloader |
22:24:57 | jknotzke | now the best I can get is the Apple Logo |
22:25:13 | TrueJournals | jknotzke: Boot into disk mode and run the Apple iPod recovery tool |
22:25:15 | earHertz | jknotzke: reinstall either the rb bootloader or the apple one |
22:25:29 | jknotzke | how do I boot into disk mode ? |
22:25:30 | earHertz | or better, what TrueJournals said |
22:25:34 | reabsind | >>>read the manual....ipodlinux |
22:25:44 | reabsind | take care guys...have fun |
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22:25:47 | desowin | reabsind: I have no idea why you would hide you real name |
22:26:08 | desowin | you just get credit for your work, nothing else |
22:26:16 | TrueJournals | jknotzke: hold the menu and play button while starting it up |
22:26:24 | TrueJournals | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651 |
22:26:32 | earHertz | wait, I thought we got a dollar evertime someone downloaded rockbox |
22:26:52 | jknotzke | ok |
22:26:54 | jknotzke | that worked |
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22:27:04 | jknotzke | i can connect to the ipod |
22:27:23 | desowin | now use iPod updater and restore the iPod |
22:27:35 | jknotzke | sorry.. where can I find this ipod updater ? |
22:27:47 | desowin | are you on windows or mac os x ? |
22:27:51 | jknotzke | linux |
22:27:59 | jknotzke | i assume I should boot into windows then ... |
22:28:10 | desowin | you can do it without windows |
22:28:30 | jknotzke | ok |
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22:28:47 | jknotzke | desowin: how ? |
22:29:03 | krazykit | earHertz, were that true, i'd have a script that would wget rockbox over and over |
22:29:36 | earHertz | krazykit: IF THAT WERE TRUE, YOU'D BE PAYING A DOLLAR EACH TIME THAT SCRIPT RAN |
22:29:47 | earHertz | oh, sorry for the caps |
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22:30:11 | krazykit | oh noes |
22:30:16 | chrisjs169 | why would you be paying a dollar? |
22:30:27 | krazykit | i thought The Man was giving you a dollar each time |
22:30:44 | earHertz | i am The Man |
22:31:03 | bluebrother | jknotzke, run ipodpatcher and choose to remove the bootloader |
22:31:19 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
22:31:19 | * | krazykit sticks it to earHertz |
22:31:25 | jknotzke | bluebrother: i did that.. and no luck |
22:31:33 | jknotzke | bluebrother: it claims to remove it |
22:31:37 | bluebrother | hmm. |
22:31:38 | * | earHertz puts krazykit up agiainst the wall |
22:31:41 | jknotzke | bluebrother: and then when I restart.. same problem |
22:31:56 | bluebrother | you can try to dd the firmware update to the "empty" partition of the ipod |
22:32:12 | jknotzke | bluebrother: i might as well just boot into windows |
22:32:26 | bluebrother | sure, if you want to ;-) |
22:32:30 | jknotzke | ;-) |
22:32:33 | jknotzke | ok thanks for the help |
22:32:35 | jknotzke | wish me luck! |
22:32:44 | bluebrother | I usually prefer to not boot into windows. Good luck. |
22:32:56 | jknotzke | bluebrother: oh and when I do, i should just restore by going into iTunes ? |
22:33:14 | bluebrother | I never tried, but I think that's the way to go |
22:33:35 | desowin | jknotzke: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ - you can get firmware from there |
22:34:43 | jknotzke | ok |
22:34:46 | jknotzke | got it |
22:34:57 | jknotzke | mine is a ipod video white from late 2006 |
22:35:06 | jknotzke | i assume it's 25.1.2.1 ? |
22:35:13 | jknotzke | the firmware I am looking for.. |
22:35:31 | bluebrother | jknotzke, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore might be of interest to you |
22:36:31 | jknotzke | thanks |
22:36:34 | jknotzke | bbl |
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22:53:39 | earHertz | midkay: ! |
22:53:47 | midkay | earHertz: ! |
22:54:03 | earHertz | I was cursing you last night |
22:54:32 | earHertz | (couldn't figure out the exit button for the clock plugin) |
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23:02:23 | Bagder | grrrr, crappy ld |
23:08:19 | earHertz | Bagder: running linux, what's the minimum system memory I'd want tocompile rockbox without frustration? |
23:09:08 | Bagder | I don't really know. I personally wouldn't run any OS with less than 512mb ram these days |
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23:09:28 | earHertz | yeah, I'd tend more to at least a gig |
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23:16:12 | * | petur plans to misuse devcon a little bit for linux support if he gets linux working on his new laptop :) |
23:16:29 | Bagder | :-) |
23:16:30 | amiconn | earHertz: 256MB are enough for building rockbox |
23:16:40 | amiconn | (that's what I have assigned to my linux vm) |
23:16:48 | earHertz | yeah, but ... |
23:16:50 | earHertz | hmm |
23:16:52 | amiconn | ...and it doesn't swap while building |
23:17:15 | amiconn | ...and it runs full gui (gnome) |
23:17:21 | earHertz | I have a dual core 2.0 GHz 2.0 GB mem desktop −− in storage |
23:17:28 | bagawk | building rockbox is going to be more cpu intensive than memory intensive |
23:17:49 | earHertz | crap. this is the drawback to living in hotels |
23:17:51 | amiconn | 128MB aren't enough for a few source files |
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23:18:26 | bagawk | I have a dual 1ghz pentium 3 with 256mb box that cranks out a build almost as fast as one I have with 2gb of ram |
23:18:33 | amiconn | (e.g. apps/plugins/pacbox/z80.c) |
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23:18:53 | earHertz | hmmm. See, I want to get a cheap laptop, until I'm sure what expensive laptop to get |
23:19:00 | earHertz | as in, used |
23:20:44 | amiconn | Hmm. Linux is nice for some things, but I can't imagine using it as the only OS, and especially not on a laptop |
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23:21:06 | * | Bagder uses it only on his desktop and laptop |
23:21:22 | earHertz | well, yeah, there's teh wifi issue |
23:21:33 | Bagder | wifi is not really the problem |
23:21:37 | Bagder | imho |
23:21:40 | earHertz | I mean, I have a nice work laptop I'm using now. |
23:21:51 | earHertz | But I don't wnat to use it for side projects |
23:22:06 | earHertz | Bagder: knoppiz won't wifi, basiclaly |
23:22:16 | amiconn | Bagder: One thing I know almost never works on linux laptops is the built-in modem |
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23:22:27 | Bagder | modem? |
23:22:34 | amiconn | yes |
23:22:35 | Bagder | well sure |
23:22:43 | * | bluebrother had his modem running once using alsa |
23:22:44 | earHertz | well, winmodem |
23:22:47 | Bagder | I haven't used a modem in many years so its not a problem of mine |
23:22:47 | earHertz | no kidding |
23:22:50 | amiconn | I need the modem every now and then... |
23:23:09 | bluebrother | you can always plug in a pcmcia modem in that rare cases ;-) |
23:23:11 | Bagder | but yeah, winmodems are evil |
23:23:26 | earHertz | othe rproblem is, used laptops are way overpriced |
23:23:42 | earHertz | I mean, half the cost of a new and much higher powered one |
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23:38:23 | Soap | modem? what is that? |
23:38:48 | Bagder | the early cavemen used them, right after learned how to make fire |
23:40:05 | earHertz | Soap: it's for something called a non-mobile analog phone, whatever THAT is |
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23:43:41 | TrueJournals | darn samba... |
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