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#rockbox log for 2007-04-29

00:00:02avenged_one\list
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00:03:36chrisjs169any ideas for my scrollwheel dimming question?
00:05:29avenged_oneHas there been any progress on the Sansa Rhapsody Bootloader recently?
00:08:57chrisjs169avenged_one: I think they're still trying to find out how to get it to accept the RB BL
00:11:02intgrDoes "Sigmatel STMP3411L" ring a bell to anyone?
00:11:04avenged_onebut they are making progress?
00:12:25chrisjs169avenged_one: I can't say for sure, but I'd think they would be
00:13:07avenged_oneOk, thank you. Do you know who exactly is working on it?
00:13:36chrisjs169avenged_one: no I don't, sorry
00:14:00avenged_oneIt's fine, thank you anyway
00:14:43avenged_oneHow does this IRC chat work anyways? is there any certain "channel" or "room" that each build is discussed?
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00:15:38chrisjs169Nope, it's all in here :P
00:17:22chrisjs169(bleh, that smoke is starting to bother me)
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00:17:34avenged_oneo, ok. So most of these people just aren't talking or is there a way to PM
00:18:00peturavenged_one: it's just a quiet night
00:18:07intgrchrisjs169: Smoke coming from your MP3 player? :)
00:18:26chrisjs169intgr: nope, smoke coming from my toaster :P
00:19:09chrisjs169avenged_one: you can pm, either by clicking on a users name or by typing /msg [user] [message]
00:19:27avenged_oneok, thank you
00:19:37intgrAnyway, looks like STMP35xx chips are used in some players that are already supported.
00:19:38avenged_oneyour toaster is smoking?
00:20:12chrisjs169avenged_one: yeah, I had something in it while staring out the door, and started to smell smoke
00:20:32chrisjs169didn't burn anything though, so it was probably just a few crumbs
00:20:34darkfloyd7avenged_one: http://www.irchelp.org/ is a good resource if you're new to irc
00:21:48avenged_oneok thanks
00:24:44peturintgr: what player are you examining? Maybe the STMP3411L is closely related to the 3410 of which there seems to be a datasheet: http://www.datasheet4u.com/html/S/T/M/STMP3410_SigmaTel.pdf.html
00:26:15linuxstbintgr: Rockbox doesn't support any STMP chips...
00:26:38peturbah, it's not a datasheet, just a product flyer :/
00:28:25intgrlinuxstb: Ah, yeah, I just found that out; I assumed that it was supported since it was listed at the wiki. :)
00:28:33intgrpetur: Philips Rush SA230/00C.
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00:29:38intgrThe MobiBLU player, which is currently being ported, uses a STMP3520 chip.
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00:29:51petureh?
00:30:09intgrWhat?
00:30:15linuxstbintgr: Info on the wiki doesn't imply a port is being worked on.
00:30:29intgr"23 February 2007 Project Started - No porting work yet, still in hardware analysis"
00:31:49linuxstbOK, I hadn't seen that. But it looks like extremely early work, and no news for 2 months...
00:32:11intgrThe info page was last changed in March.
00:33:11linuxstbOnly to correct some wiki formatting - not by the person working on the port.
00:33:15chrisjs169linuxstb: Dunno if you're the one to ask, but you're one of the few online...is it possible to dim the sansa scrollwheel?
00:33:20peturthis page is what you need: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus
00:34:05linuxstbchrisjs169: I don't own a sansa, so I've no idea.
00:34:24linuxstbintgr: Any idea if the 35xx is similar to the 34xx though?
00:34:42chrisjs169linuxstb: ok, thanks
00:35:09intgrlinuxstb: Nope, I just cranked the player open two hours ago.
00:38:13avenged_oneSo, what did you mean when you said they are trying to get it to except the RB BL
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00:42:36chrisjs169Sandisk changed the default BL so that it won't accept dummy signatures for the Rhapsody series
00:46:44avenged_oneoh yes I read it on the forums
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00:50:24intgrHmmm... STMP34XX-35XX_Training_DAY_1.pdf
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00:52:52Jetongreeting
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01:05:53JetonI have a question for a plugin related to Sansa.
01:06:03linuxstbJust ask
01:06:14JetonIs it possible to scroll the text with the scrollwheel? on Text-Viewer.
01:06:24Jetoncould a patch make this possible,
01:06:26Jeton?
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01:12:50linuxstbJeton: I don't see why not.
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01:13:14Jetongreat
01:14:00JetonI posted a feature request on rockbox.org, is that they way to go? ( I'm not familiar with programing)
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01:15:16intgrYes.
01:15:54JetonOkay. Now hoping for someone to apply it. :)
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01:32:14ptw419which lds file has the start address of the bootloader?
01:34:24linuxstbfirmware/boot.lds I would expect
01:34:54ptw419thaks
01:34:57ptw419thanks*
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01:36:28linuxstbptw419: How's the Gigabeat S hacking going?
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01:38:09ptw419i've been working on it on and off for the past week. i've been busy w/ finals, and my S went kaput on me so I had to get it replaced
01:39:55linuxstbHave you worked out a way to run your own code?
01:43:23ptw419not as of yet.
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02:04:46aarcaneHi, I'm considdering buying a media player for use with rockbox, but I'm having a hard time gathering solid information on a few matters which concern me
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02:07:33aarcanemost importantly, I want to find out which player of all has the longest play time, video playback ability is fairly important to me, as is OGG and FLAC. I know ogg and flac in ipl is only able to play up to a certain level of compression before it hits CPU speed issues, and I was wondering if that pertains to rockbox as well. also, the battery lifes I've seen for the ipod are scary. only 11 hours max on an ip which has 20 with official firmware (I wa
02:07:35aarcanes highly considdering an ip 60/80), and the other media players.. I can't find solid battery info on them, nor bitrate constraints.
02:08:56Soapif you want video ON rockbox, you want a Gigabeat
02:10:26Soapand there is no bitrate constraint.
02:10:35aarcanevideo is a lower priority than ogg/flac and battery life.
02:10:36Soapnot with ogg and flac
02:10:57aarcaneso I can play a flac with compression 10 ?
02:10:57aarcaneon any hardware I choose in realtime ?
02:11:18Soapsomeone else can speak up, but I know FLAC is realtime regardless on everything.
02:11:38SoapOGG is realtime on every target I am aware of, regardless of bitrate.
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02:12:06Soapif you want decent video speeds we're talking the Gigabeats, or the iPod Nano ;)
02:12:34aarcaneso what has good battery life? something in the 20 hour range
02:12:36SoapOnly you can decide if the Gigabeat provides long enough battery life.
02:12:51SoapThe irivers have very good battery life
02:13:04Soapthe iaudio has very good battery life, esp the X5L
02:13:24Soapbut they won't ever be serious video contenders.
02:13:55Soapand if any of the targets are ever to support XviD level video - it will be the Gigabeat.
02:14:16Soapif any of the current targets are ever to support AAC-HC it will be the Gigabeat.
02:14:30aarcaneis there a table somewhere that compares battery lifetimes for all models ?
02:15:41SoapI do not believe so.
02:16:08Soapbut we're talking, what Four contenders? Five?
02:16:29aarcaneyeah, maybe fewer since drive size is another important issue
02:16:34Soapright
02:16:35Soapso
02:17:03SoapGigabeat, iPod Video, iriver H300, iriver H100, iaudio x/m5
02:17:05aarcanehow many of the contenders have known harddrive-mods available to increase drive capacity beyond 100G ?
02:17:14Soaponly Archos
02:17:35Soapbased upon you can't get >80GB 1.8" drive which all use but archos which uses 2.5" drives.
02:17:48aarcanewhat about the new archo 504 ?
02:17:57Soapdo you see it in the supported list?
02:18:03aarcaneI don't see it listed anywhere as supported or unsupported.
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02:18:30Soapdo you expect we keep a list of all 2,612 unsupported mp3 players?
02:18:38Soap;)
02:18:52aarcanegood point. I'd figgure the new archos would be supported though, since the old ones are.
02:19:29toffe82you can look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide and here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
02:19:38Soapthat's like expecting the New Beetle to use the spare tire as a window washer fluid pump like the old one did.
02:20:22Soaplike expecting your new Mac to have a 5 1/4" drive because your ][e did.
02:20:48aarcanetoffe82, I've been going back and forth between the two and neither has much information. well, the device chart has alot, but not what I'mlooking for
02:20:59Soapthe iPods are pretty unique in maintaining an archetecture throughout the life of the product line.
02:21:20Soapaarcane: you need to start digging down through the various port's wiki pages.
02:21:37SoapThere is a Runtime page for every port i believe.
02:21:46aarcaneSoap, I'd especially figgure the new archos would be supported since it's running linux which means archos has to release the source code for the firmware.
02:22:26scorcherockbox is not linux
02:22:38scorcheso it still would be a chosre to port..just less so
02:22:41scorchechore
02:22:43SoapWhat if archos wrote a driver from scratch - would the GPL compel them to relaease the source? No.
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02:23:31Soappoint being, a device running Linux does not mean the entire firmware falls under the GPL.
02:23:43Soap(but I can't speak for the Archos in question specificly)
02:23:44aarcaneSoap, true, but the parts that do fall under the GPL
02:24:22Soapright, but a modified kernel is worth less than specific drivers for the possibly undocumented hardware.
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02:24:45aarcaneanyway, I just thought it would be since it's already running linux. since it's not, no big deal. I'm still scouring for battery information and runtimes, it should be alot easier to track down :(
02:24:59SoapIpodRuntime
02:25:03SoapIriverRuntime
02:26:08aarcanethe buyers guide has a little bit of runtime information, and that shows that the cowon is the best, but you haven't mentioned the cowon yet. is it bad ?
02:26:09SoapGigabeatRuntime
02:26:22SoapI mentioned the iAudio X/M5
02:27:07aarcaneis that the cowon ?
02:27:12Soapyes
02:27:16SoapI got to go
02:27:21Soapgoogle can take over
02:27:25Soapfor me
02:28:06SoapIAudioRuntime
02:28:35chrisjs169hmm....is it possible for make to cause the system clock to slow down for a split second?
02:29:06aarcanechrisjs169, depends on the architecture. on most: no.
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02:34:12chrisjs169aarcane: it's a regular x86 architecture, but twice in the past two days make has complained about the time being off but about 2 seconds
02:34:47scorchechrisjs169: a bit off topic..
02:34:52aarcanebut then the issue is raised: which of the various models limited to cowon, toshiba, ipod video, and iriverh300 series feels the most right with rockbox ? as in which of them has the greatest overall support of features, most CPU room and RAM to breathe, and all those other end-user stuff
02:35:10chrisjs169scorche: whoops, sorry
02:35:38aarcanechrisjs169, it is off topic, but that's not make screwing it up, it's a poor rtc on your system or a dead battery running it. set up openntpd and make shouldn't gripe anymore.
02:36:11scorcheaarcane: cpu room to breathe would be the gigabeat
02:36:33aarcanescorche, is that the most responsive one as well ?
02:36:56scorchewhat do you mean by responsive?..that could refer to many things
02:37:28chrisjs169aarcane: starting to get 'nervous' continuing off topic, but ntpdate was run not more than 24 hours ago, and make just starting complaining within the last hour
02:37:31aarcaneas in from the time you decide to push a button to the time the firmware interprets it and takes it's appropriate action
02:37:45scorchejust take it to pms
02:38:02chrisjs169ok
02:38:27scorcheaarcane: i dont have one, but i would assume it is just fine in that regard
02:38:47intgraarcane: I would expect that to depend on the delay of the LCD display rather than the CPU.
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02:39:32scorchenot necessarily
02:39:33aarcaneintgr, I'd expect it to depend more on the maturity of the input and lcd drivers and the CPU speed.
02:44:25rockazHello, have been reading the Wiki about the E200 port and was wondering if that is reasonably up-to-date or if more has been done and just not reflected there
02:44:52PimpdaddyPaynein rockbox, is the 176 the width and 54 the height? that doesn't sound right
02:46:58aarcaneof course there are other variables which may affect it, but I'm trying to narrow down the market a bit more to something I'll reallly be happy with rather than just eh. a Portable audio player is alot like a car or a laptop and alot less like a dvd player. if you're not happy with your portable audio player you can't just throw it away and buy a new one, whereas a DVD player costs 40 bucks and you could buy a new one each month until you got the right
02:47:03aarcanefit.
02:48:06intgrWhy can't you throw away the MP3 player? :)
02:48:35aarcaneit's expensive :(
02:48:48intgrAnd if you're really picky, you probably wouldn't be buying the cheapest available DVD players.
02:49:04intgrBut anyway, I see your point. :)
02:51:33PimpdaddyPaynehmm
02:51:51PimpdaddyPayneAfter trying to build rockbox, it sas "make error 2" but doesn't say what the errors are.
02:52:00aarcanetoo bad this isn't supported: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855102014
02:52:16aarcanePimpdaddyPayne, scroll up a bit and see if it's higher in the output.
02:55:01PimpdaddyPayneah ok, this time, it didn't produce the error
02:56:04PimpdaddyPaynealthough.. it didn't generate the rockbox.zip
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03:12:06aarcaneso I think I like the cowon iaudio 30/60 gig devices. but I'm curious if it supports loading music from a usb harddrive or direct playback of them.
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03:12:51scorcheUSBOTG is not supported if that is what you are referring to
03:14:10aarcaneI guess, is that the USB port on the side ?
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03:23:17Decadestudioshey anyone here
03:23:30toffe82yes
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03:24:11Decadestudioscan u help me
03:24:23Decadestudioswhat do I download to get it on my 5th gen 30 gig ipod
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03:25:29toffe82sorry I don't know the ipod
03:25:36Decadestudiosdang
03:25:45Decadestudios:C
03:26:47toffe82just wait for somebodyelse
03:27:11TrueJournalsDecadestudios: read the manual
03:27:18TrueJournalsit explains how to do everything
03:27:51deweycooterAnyone know the code base decently well? I'm looking for init(), as called in app_main() in apps/main.c −− can't find it ...
03:28:47TrueJournalsI wish ;-)
03:29:11linuxstb_deweycooter: It's in apps/main.c as well...
03:29:20Decadestudiosk
03:29:23toffe82Decadestudios: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
03:29:24DecadestudiosIll look on the site
03:29:24linuxstb_Note there are two versions - one for the sim, one for real targets.
03:32:30deweycooterok - my brain is gone... thanks. grep " init()" main.c didn't find it because the function def uses void as an arg...
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03:42:05WOOTNESSdamnit
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03:42:18WOOTNESSIm decadestudios uh my 30 gig ipod
03:42:22WOOTNESSgot stuck on the logo
03:42:30WOOTNESSafter loading up the boot loader
03:42:35WOOTNESShow do I reset it?
03:42:51linuxstb_http://www.google.com/search?q=disk+mode
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03:46:18WOOTNESSI know how to get to disk mode
03:46:23WOOTNESSits frozen of the logen
03:46:26WOOTNESSlog*
03:46:54linuxstb_Put it in disk mode and finish the install.
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03:48:46WOOTNESSit cant find my ipod
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03:49:26linuxstb_What is "it" ?
03:49:46WOOTNESSRockbox boot loader
03:49:54WOOTNESSversion: 1.0
03:50:09linuxstb_You mean it can't find a file called "rockbox.ipod" ?
03:50:13WOOTNESSIPOD VERSION: 0Xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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03:50:24WOOTNESSloading rockbox
03:50:26WOOTNESSerror
03:50:34WOOTNESScant load rockbox.ipod.exe
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03:50:41WOOTNESSfile not found
03:50:45linuxstb_Just re-read the install section in the manual and finish the install.
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03:56:18WOOTNESSFUCK THIS
03:56:22WOOTNESSiT BROKE MY IPOD
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03:57:47a1titudewhat type of ipod is it?
03:58:24a1titudeoh he left, sorrry! :p
03:58:29a1titudeI'm new to this
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04:07:30BORATohhh nooeee
04:07:37BORATmy ipod is updating
04:07:41scorcheyagshemash?
04:07:46BORATand its deleting ALLL my songs from the ipod
04:07:52BORATnice a meet you, my name a borat
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04:08:49midkayit's "jag
04:08:56midkayjust pronounced differently.
04:09:05midkayin fact i'm pretty sure you misspelled the entire word.
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04:13:16scorchei dont doubt it
04:13:25scorchebut it got the point accross
04:13:30scorcheacross
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05:32:37kravlinI need help getting rockbox installed on my Toshiba Gigabeat f40. I cant seem to get it to recognize it as a device so i can get into the system files.
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05:54:32telliottThe file name shows as ßaliano.lng
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10:45:41psuedo where can I find rockbox ipod builds for 60gb video ipods?
10:46:21psuedoer, that is, ones incorporating patches not in the svn build?
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11:05:31linuxstbpsuedo: Try the "Unsupported Builds" forum
11:05:42psuedoah, thanks
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11:07:36earHertzto go from 2.2 to 2.4, I don't need to chnage the ipod bootloader, just the rockbox.pod? Cause it appears rockbox.ipod is in .rockbox now, not /
11:07:59earHertzhmm. databse seems to build faster
11:08:02JdGordonyou probably do.. but not because of that move...
11:08:08earHertzoh shit
11:08:09JdGordonthe bootloader was updated to allow dual core
11:08:14earHertzcause I didn't, and it seems to work
11:08:21earHertzoh really?
11:08:26JdGordonit might crash when you try playing music
11:08:37earHertzah, right, when it loads the codecs\
11:08:48earHertzbummer.
11:09:02earHertzI have a buggy coppy of my own patch, which I've gotten sick of
11:09:15linuxstbearHertz: BTW, welcome back...
11:09:38earHertzlinuxstb: thanks. Long story, but I got a job in another town, and haven't had access to my pc for months
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11:10:10earHertzdatabase ting seeems MUCH fastre
11:10:33earHertzis updating the bootloader without my original copy of the apple bootloader possible?
11:11:06linuxstbI'm not sure what you mean - the Apple bootloader is safely stored in the flash ROM.
11:11:34earHertzI thought I reacled copying off something when I installed the bootloader, months ago
11:11:54linuxstbThat was the firmware/boot partition.
11:12:03earHertzyeah, that.
11:12:07linuxstbBut no - just run the new "ipodpatcher" tool and select "install"
11:12:19linuxstbSee in the install section in the manual for download links and instructions.
11:12:24earHertzoh, thanks
11:12:33earHertzanyone still using teh scroll wheel accel patch?
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11:13:15linuxstbI've no idea - there have been a lot of changes to Rockbox so I don't know if anyone has kept it in sync.
11:13:42earHertzno one relaly should have been, that was more a proff of concept than anything
11:14:11linuxstbPeople do like to have extremely long lists though...
11:14:21earHertzoh, does the standard ipod video build support 64K or just 32K?
11:14:32earHertzyeah, me too
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11:14:54linuxstbI guess you mean 64MB ;) No, no-ones incorporated that yet.
11:15:06earHertzyeah, nb
11:15:08earHertzmb
11:15:16earHertzwe have a compile option for that
11:15:18earHertzor we did
11:15:30linuxstbThere was a patch that gives the compile option.
11:15:42earHertzok
11:15:43earHertzyeah
11:17:34earHertzyeah, I miss the accel, but my personal copy is buggy ;)
11:17:59earHertzah, yeah, data abort when I try to play
11:18:15linuxstbI know Slasheri has been working on similar accelerations to the ones you did, but he's been quiet on that front recently.
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11:20:36earHertzhuh, why's it want fomnts installed before the ipodpatcher runs?
11:21:17linuxstbThat's just the recommended order - install Rockbox first, then install the bootloader.
11:21:33earHertzeh, I want he fonts anyway
11:21:38linuxstbExactly...
11:23:07earHertzoh, that patcher makes it much easier than I recall it being before
11:24:16earHertzand playing
11:29:44earHertzoh, nice
11:30:05earHertzthe defaults are much nicer, and teh scrolling can be sped up some
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11:31:34earHertzhow safe is using teh COP?
11:32:09linuxstbWhat do you mean by "safe" ?
11:32:26earHertzwhat's the chance it bricks the hardware?
11:32:38*jhMikeS has a working core lock going on now ... needed to continue moving along with mpegplayer
11:32:39linuxstbNo more than using the main CPU...
11:34:03earHertzwhat do you think of senab's build?
11:34:14markunjhMikeS: you have too many projects :)
11:34:21linuxstbearHertz: I've never used it
11:35:18jhMikeSmarkun: trying to do one thing always makes nescessary getting something else lined up to make it work :\
11:36:01markunjhMikeS: yes, I have that problem here at my internship all the time
11:36:10jhMikeSon the bright side, someone else can move decoding to the cop ;)
11:36:29linuxstbjhMikeS: When you say "core lock" do you mean Slasheri's function that he's added a #warning to?
11:36:55jhMikeSyes, but not like he was doing it. there won't be restrictions on queue use
11:37:23linuxstbLet me know if you want it testing on a PP5020 - they seem to always cause us problems
11:37:26jhMikeSoddly enough, disabling irqs during task switches seems to speed things up
11:37:38jhMikeSdifferent that 5024?
11:37:43linuxstbYes
11:38:15linuxstbThere are problems that no-one has been able to work out that only apply to the PP5020 - not the 5021/22 and I'm guessing the 5024
11:39:10jhMikeSsure thing...I'm not sure if the sansa already had some occasional locking glitch when using buttons or if I created it. I didn't encounter it until some more changes after the initial lock add so I'm just going over with a fine tooth comb
11:40:01linuxstbFor example, Slasheri's core locking worked fine on the PP5021, but caused freezes on the PP5020
11:40:02jhMikeSwhich player is 5020? don't make me look in the config! :)
11:40:18linuxstbH10, mini 1st gen, 4G greyscale ipod and ipod Color/Photo
11:40:20jhMikeSit wasn't atomic at all
11:40:50linuxstbThe ipod Nano and Video have the PP5021, and the 2nd Gen mini has the PP5022.
11:41:41jhMikeSOne thing I'd like to know is if the 5002 has the same core id's as the others...if someone could put up a splash and check, it would simplify things.
11:42:15linuxstbPP5002 owners are rare - I think dan_a is the only dev with one.
11:42:55earHertzhmm, people still are using my stupid accel patch ;0
11:43:17jhMikeSI'd just like to use the same assembly routines especially the 3 instr. current_core for all
11:44:26jhMikeSIt shows CPU = 0x55 but no define of COP
11:45:02jhMikeSdan_a: pingety ping
11:45:17linuxstbAccording to the IPL wiki, it's 0xAA for the COP.
11:45:41jhMikeShehe...forgot about IPL
11:45:46jhMikeSthen it's good
11:46:08linuxstbAlthough their website is down - google's cache is needed... - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Aipodlinux.org+PP5002
11:47:12jhMikeSthat one migh've been added later because I seem to remember looking for it...hmmm
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11:50:04liberty_seem the ogg decoding cpu usage is higher since 070405 on my iaudio M5.
11:50:29liberty_The boost level from about 40% to 50%.
11:50:55liberty_The boost level increases from about 40% to 50%.
11:52:27jhMikeSliberty_: new build? voice file?
11:53:58*jhMikeS doesn't remember when he aligned the malloc buffer there...voice files made boost go from 19% to 78% due to alignment issues
11:54:20liberty_Ogg vorbis files.
11:54:35jhMikeSfor Vorbis on Coldfire it was
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11:56:01liberty_what you mean,it was normal?
11:58:18jhMikeSThere was lots of Coldfire DSP work that really made it all extremely fast. my vorbis check were on H120 but it's all really the same
11:59:25SlasherijhMikeS: core locking isn't atomic? it should be
11:59:29jhMikeSok, you say 070405 is exactly when things slowed down?
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12:00:11liberty_I mean since 070405,all later build.
12:00:15jhMikeSSlasheri: the two stage lock can't be without spinout and interrupts really need to be turned off on task switches
12:00:32linuxstbliberty_: Have you tested 070406 ?
12:00:51jhMikeSliberty_: ok, I'll have a look later...I don't know what was changed off hand
12:01:14SlasherijhMikeS: hmm, checking that
12:01:41jhMikeSThere no need in my build for irq_safe, it doesn't matter
12:01:44earHertzSlasheri: you've been working on ipod scroll wheel accel?
12:01:49SlasherijhMikeS: it should be atomic between cores but on the same core there could be issues with irqs probably
12:02:06liberty_070405 build is ok,but I've tried 070410 070412 070415 070420 070422 and 070449,their performance is lower!
12:02:06SlasheriearHertz: yes, but haven't had time recenty
12:02:23earHertzSlasheri: building on mine, or from scratch?
12:02:24liberty_070429
12:02:24SlasherijhMikeS: so you just disabled irqs?
12:02:27jhMikeSthat's why they get disabled, blocking the irq on another core doesn't hurt anything
12:02:52jhMikeSyes, and save them per core
12:02:59SlasheriearHertz: i have designed it from scratch
12:03:06earHertzcool
12:03:27SlasheriearHertz: it reacts to speed directly
12:03:48SlasherijhMikeS: hmm, that could work
12:03:59earHertzSlasheri: you calculate teh delta at each interupt?
12:04:42SlasheriearHertz: after the wheel has moved enough, the delta is calculated compared to time to produce a speed
12:05:04jhMikeSit darn well should, and I've got nice little asm routines that save and restore efficiently. there were some changes to the way the thread apis call lock_cores and a bunch of message queue alterations in their locking
12:05:09earHertzSlasheri: yeah, I tried that too
12:05:30earHertzproblem was that the machine was too slow
12:05:39SlasheriearHertz: that is then calculated little more, speed^2 and so on and finally generating that many events in the queue
12:05:50earHertzright.
12:06:09earHertzoh, maybe I did look at yours. You used a loop or somehting?
12:06:16Slashericurrent gui core has already optimizations in so it works correctly with many events in queue
12:06:33Slasheriyes, a loop at the end to send the events
12:07:09earHertzok, yeah, I did look ta that
12:07:13Slasherii can make a patch if you wish develop that
12:07:31jhMikeSIn doing that, there's no need for the wakeup list or set_irq_level_and block thread on dual core...maybe, seems removing that might've introduced an issue
12:07:41Slasheriit still has some issues, it can't go _extremely_ fast because queue can't hold that meny events
12:08:01Slasheribut it goes through long lists (5000 items or so) in just few seconds
12:08:39earHertzwhen did you last work on it?
12:09:01Slasherihmm, months ago? :) can't remember..
12:09:10Slasheribut i use it everyday
12:09:43jhMikeSwhat's with all the freaky red splotches on the build table lately?
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12:10:26linuxstbjhMikeS: Broken build servers I expect
12:10:27SlasherijhMikeS: and that would also prevent kernel functions to be called simultaneously on both cores? so no both cores could do task switching at the same time, or write to the same queue?
12:10:30jhMikeSld segmentation fault?
12:10:41obonew version of binutils on debian unstable... seg faults on amd64
12:10:49jhMikeSSlasheri: right, and no double entry from IRQs
12:10:58SlasherijhMikeS: ok, then it sounds fine
12:12:00jhMikeSI'm just glad disabling the IRQs actually results in a very simple lock and some extra performance on sansa anyway
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12:13:52jhMikeS11 instructions to lock and 12 to unlock
12:16:52SlasherijhMikeS: but great you found a fix, indeed the current code isn't atomic on the same core and might cause LOCK to be called twice -> crash
12:17:08Slasheriso that would explain the problems
12:17:28earHertzdamn you zakkroberts!
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12:18:22markunearHertz: what did he do this time.. :)
12:18:32earHertzok, i couldn't exit the clock
12:18:42earHertzwhich is ironic; I helped him code the nitial version
12:19:23markunearHertz: you know he's midkay here?
12:19:29earHertzyeah
12:19:30jhMikeSSlasheri: yeah, I'm going over this...I'm rather motivated to have it going atm
12:19:39earHertzhe was midk before he was zakk, here
12:20:15earHertzI think I introduced him to switch statements or something ;)
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12:22:28jhMikeSqueue_wait(_w_tmo) also seems to need IRQ blocking on single core as well
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12:24:11scorcheearHertz: in a hotel? o_O
12:24:21earHertzscorche: how can you tell?
12:24:35scorchei got bored...
12:24:37jhMikeSfrankly I'd like to not even have a main thread on the COP but doing that need a couple small tricks pulled
12:24:42earHertzI've been living in hotels for 5 months
12:24:52earHertzthis is why I've not been active in rockbox
12:24:59scorcheouch
12:25:16scorchethat is more expensive than a regular house, no?
12:25:22earHertznew job, job goes through consutants like popcorn, expected it not to last
12:25:41earHertzscorche: it's ~ 1000 - 1200 USD / month
12:25:49earHertzcheap hotel
12:26:05scorcheouch
12:26:10earHertzyeah
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12:27:46JdGordonwhen the database does its auto-update, does it remove deleted tracks?
12:28:06SlasheriJdGordon: if dircache is enabled
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12:29:30JdGordonSlasheri: ok, ta...
12:31:48earHertzoh, pause on earplug removed is nice
12:32:21Slasheriindeed, i often shutdown ipod just by removing earplugs
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12:32:46earHertzah, nice, my scroll without my bugs
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12:35:58earHertzand I see we're using svn, which is great
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12:41:13markunlinuxstb: did you see the gigabeat button layout poll?
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12:42:29markunlooks like the majority thinks the new layout was the best option (least bad?)
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12:43:28linuxstbmarkun: Yes, I noticed only one person has voted for the old layout to be reinstated...
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12:46:08markunI was hoping that people who vote for "other" would explain their ideas
12:46:09*moos have to admit that the gigabeat keymapping looks strange for him
12:46:27markunmaybe I should have asked for that specifically
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12:46:38markunexplicitly I mean
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12:46:54markunmoos: you'll get used to it :)
12:47:06moosbut that probably due to the habbit of differents rockbox devices
12:47:10mooshehe :)
12:47:49mooscenter click for pause music, 2 ways for up/down volume...a bit strange here
12:48:08markundo you think the up/down could be used for something else?
12:48:22earHertzteh mixtape theme is funny
12:48:29markunnice that the volume buttons work in the lists now
12:48:36moosimho yes, we have plenty of buttons and doesn't use this advantage :(
12:48:38markunI never tried it until yesterday
12:49:30moosfor the lists? scrolling you mean?
12:49:45*moos turn on his gigabeat
12:49:58markunmoos: no, when you are in the menu of file browser you can change the volume
12:50:07moosah yes
12:50:07markunmenu OR file browser
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12:50:29moosI had the habbit to go back to wps for this
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12:52:26moosmarkun: why not use those vol+/- buttons for the browsing on the file tree?
12:52:41moosI mean for exemple browse by page
12:53:32moos2 ways for do same things, looks a taste of buttons for my eyes
12:53:57*moos is habbit to the iaudio and his leack of buttons
12:54:02mooslack
12:54:23earHertzmoos: you German?
12:54:29moosFrench
12:54:35earHertzah
12:54:55earHertz"is habbit to" is "is used to" in English ;)
12:54:56mooswhy did you think that I'm german? (curiosity)
12:55:13mooshehe :-)
12:55:16earHertzthe double b in habbit
12:55:55earHertzgah, i'd forgotten how slow the ipod disk is
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13:00:03markunkkurbjun: do you have any ideas to speed up ata transfers on the Gigabeat?
13:00:31moos30 seconds for fill the buffer is slow indeed :)
13:01:13markunwe use DMA and also tried the asm version used on other ARM targets, but they give the same speed (6MB/s iirc)
13:03:37linuxstbIs there a wiki page with the ATA speeds of the different targets?
13:04:25markunI don't think so
13:05:22linuxstbI just remembered some tests I did on my ipod - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/speed.txt
13:05:32linuxstbSeems 6MB/s is faster than those...
13:05:38linuxstb(for reading)
13:06:39markunyes, I also believe the ipods were about 2x the gigabeat speed
13:07:08linuxstbAre you talking about reading or writing?
13:07:10moosirivers too
13:07:19markunwe didn't find a ATA controller, but LinusN told me you only need some buffering chips or something
13:07:49linuxstbThe CPU doesn't have an ata controller built-in?
13:09:36markunno
13:09:40markunnot that we found
13:10:45linuxstbIs your ATA driver based on the version in the toshiba firmware?
13:11:19markunwell, we use the same addresses yes
13:11:49markunbut the rest is just the normal rockbox ata driver
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13:13:25linuxstbYou didn't investigate the original ATA driver very closely then?
13:13:37markunno
13:13:42linuxstbi.e. you just found the addresses, put them in the Rockbox driver and stopped because it worked?
13:13:50markunwell, I checked the linux source patch
13:14:16markunI think it just set up the register addresses and used the normal linux ata driver
13:14:27markunwait, I'll give you a link
13:15:10markunhttp://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/patch-2.4.18-rmk6-gb4r.bz2
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13:15:42linuxstbSo it could be using DMA mode instead of PIO ?
13:16:45markuncheck at line 4714
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13:19:27markundo you need anything special to use DMA mode?
13:19:39linuxstbI've no idea...
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13:27:13PimpdaddyPayneOk, I compiled rockbox, but it didn't create the zip archive
13:27:45earHertzPimpdaddyPayne: you distributing it or just using it?
13:27:47markunPimpdaddyPayne: "make zip"
13:27:55markunor did you try that?
13:28:17PimpdaddyPayneearHertz, using
13:28:19markunPimpdaddyPayne: did you find out what the problem was with the rockboxdev.sh script?
13:28:37earHertzPimpdaddyPayne: then make the zip once, and then just rockbox
13:28:58PimpdaddyPaynei tried, but it says 'no target to make zip'
13:28:58earHertzyou need a new zip only if the chnages chaange, um, basiclaly memory locations of stuff
13:29:24markunearHertz: what are you talking about man?
13:29:34earHertzoh, ignore me. sorry
13:30:03markunPimpdaddyPayne: but just "make" worked?
13:30:12PimpdaddyPayneyes, just didn't generate a zipf ile
13:30:12markunand now you have a rockbox.ipod?
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13:30:52PimpdaddyPayneyes
13:31:10markunlet me try it here
13:32:06markunwhich ipod do you have?
13:32:11PimpdaddyPayne1g nanno
13:32:19PimpdaddyPayneok, make fullzip worked, but not zip
13:32:28markunweird
13:32:30PimpdaddyPaynewell... half-ass worked
13:32:37PimpdaddyPaynebeep, no dir to copy WPS from!
13:34:21markunstill compiling here..
13:36:14markunmake zip and make fullzip work fine here
13:36:26PimpdaddyPayneI wonder what beep, no dir to copy WPS from! means?
13:36:33markunthe WPS problem might be that we forgot to include some files in the tarball
13:36:42markunwhich you do get with svn
13:36:50markunyou're using the tarball right?
13:36:57PimpdaddyPayneyes
13:37:16PimpdaddyPayneoh no
13:37:18PimpdaddyPaynehttp://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2
13:37:21PimpdaddyPaynethis is the one you gave me earlier
13:37:24markunyes
13:37:56PimpdaddyPaynethe WPS are already on the machine though, so I can just extract the new zip right?
13:38:08markunyes, I think it should work
13:38:10PimpdaddyPaynek
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13:40:24caducan't use the 'screen scrolls out of view' correctly on rockbox (gigabeat).....i press center + left right and nothing happens, as one button masks the other....strange
13:40:37cadui can use both center and left right to strafe in Doom, at the same time
13:40:53caducan someone shed some light into my issue ?
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13:43:58markuncadu: it was setup to use A+LEFT/RIGHT now I guess?
13:44:39markunwhich ACTION are we talking about?
13:44:40cadujust changed? i'm using it with center+right/left
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13:45:10cadubtw, writing 'center+right' on the manual is rather strange, coz it actually states you to press both at the same time
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13:45:31cadui've just made it work by tapping center and then if i press quickly right the screen scrolls
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13:46:23markunyou just told me it doesn't work with center+right/left, no?
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13:46:32caduas it is written, no
13:46:45cadupressing center+right as it is written doesn't scrolls it
13:46:56cadupressing center , then right, then letting go center ...works :)
13:47:09caduso the "+" is actually wrong on the manuals :)
13:47:30markunand just holding right?
13:47:33markunwithout center?
13:47:51markunhm, maybe not
13:47:53caduworks too
13:48:08caduso, why the manual has 'center+right' ?! o_O
13:48:40caduactually the current gigabeat manual is with a typo on the actual shortcut, i read that from another dap manual :)
13:49:29markunI have no idea why the manual is wrong but it sounds like a normal human error to me
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13:50:40caducan i easily correct it? (so i don't bother people else) ? how can i do it ? just get the tex source, edit and then send to 'flyspray' ?
13:51:25markunyes, or send a patch (svn diff > manual-fix.patch) to flyspray
13:51:50caduwill do it when i have some spare time, thanks for the information :)
13:52:05markunmaybe you'll find some more errors
13:52:34caduit's normal :) i'll help in what i can (which is not much, but it's something, heh)
13:55:39earHertzwhat does "charge during usb" in the battery options affect?
13:57:28markunearHertz: on the Gigabeat it affects nothing, but I don't know about the other players
13:57:35earHertzthx
13:58:39cadumarkun: gigabeat doesn't charges thru usb?
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13:59:04markuncadu: it always does, regardless of this setting
13:59:17caduheheheeh
13:59:31cadubtw, i've been thinking about building a external usb charger for it, using AAs
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14:00:05caduwe could use a simple voltage converter to 5v (2 1.2v AAs (nimh) to 5v) and then use some usb cable, would it work? :P
14:00:20markunI think so
14:00:40markunwould it be better to charge over USB than the charger connector?
14:00:57caduthe charger connector uses the same voltage, right ? :)
14:01:12markunI would have to check the charger
14:01:34cadujust checked, 5V 3A
14:01:43markunI know that the current drawn for the charging is limited when charging over USB (500mA I guess)
14:02:09markunwould that be better for the battery pack?
14:02:10cadui any of the cases, there's a considerable waste of energy as the display keeps lit
14:02:28markunyou can make your backlight turn off on hold :)
14:02:45caduif you power the gigabeat (to charge via usb) , the display stays on
14:03:04caduif you charge via the charger connector, it shows an outlet with the thing on all the time... :P
14:03:24cadumarkun: anyway, with the backlight off, there's still a processor running, whatever else
14:03:34markunyes, not ideal
14:03:48markunmaybe something we can fix with our bootloader in flash..
14:04:43caduis this going to happen anytime soon ?
14:05:17markunhard to say
14:05:28caduwould be nice
14:05:30markunkkurbjun is working in that direction
14:05:43markunand there is someone else playing with the original flash bootloader
14:05:59cadunice :) the current solution is already good (it boots rockbox perfectly) but it's kinda dangerous
14:06:28cadulike, if you happen to format your dap's hard drive, you can't enter in usb mode anymore, right ?
14:06:39markunyes, you can
14:06:45caduyou can?
14:06:55linuxstbmarkun: How big is the gigabeat's flash?
14:07:02markunif it's formatted you will get a error during boot from the OF and it enters USB mode
14:07:06markunlinuxstb: 1MB
14:07:22cadumarkun: so i think i read some wrong gibberish @ internet
14:07:42linuxstbmarkun: Where is it mapped to? Is it currently accessible in Rockbox?
14:07:50markuncadu: but if you screw up the FWIMG01.DAT file then you need to open the player to get it to work again
14:07:58markunlinuxstb: not, it's not mapped
14:08:08cadumarkun: it said that if you remove the FWIMG folder from the hard drive you can't enter in usb mode again
14:08:09markundamn, we need another bootloader update for that :(
14:08:28markunbecause SDRAM is mapped over it
14:08:34markunat 0x0
14:08:38linuxstbmarkun: It could be useful to map it somewhere and implement the "dump ROM contents" function in the debug menu...
14:08:46linuxstbI did that recently for the ipods
14:09:08XavierGrmarkun: now that you fiddled with button mappings, is there any chance to change the middle button too to fit with the other targets?
14:09:18markunlinuxstb: what do you tink about moving the player specific functions of the debug menu to separate files?
14:09:29markunXavierGr: no :)
14:09:41cadumarkun: yeah, said also that you have to open the player and do some esoteric procedure, like reconnecting the hard drive with the thing powered on :P
14:09:45markunwell, linuxstb is waiting for me to be on holliday to 'fix' it :)
14:09:59markuncadu: yes, that
14:10:01XavierGrmarkun: damn it is very confusing :P
14:10:16linuxstbmarkun: I think the debug menu needs some kind of cleaning/splitting, but it's only debugging code...
14:10:17markunwe could have another poll
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14:10:49markunXavierGr: just stick to your Gigabeat and ignore the other players :)
14:10:59cadumaahahhahha
14:11:03cadushameless promotion :)
14:11:13XavierGrmarkun: also did you know that the option "Turn backlight on, on first key press" applies to the remote too?
14:11:19cadubut really, the thing runs rockbox very well
14:11:21*cadu hides :)
14:12:05markunXavierGr: well, we cheated a bit
14:12:12XavierGrso when you have that option on, you have to press a remote button twice to get it working
14:12:22XavierGrbut obviously there is no remote screen on the gigabeat remote
14:12:25XavierGrhehe
14:12:46markunwe just generate the normal buttons when you press something on the remote
14:12:50markunmaybe not so nice
14:13:13XavierGrwell I won't be using my Gigabeat as my primary player until the OF gets out of the box completely, the boot process takes ages
14:13:31linuxstbHave you replaced the firmware files on disk with the dummy versions?
14:13:40XavierGralso the bloody screen remote on H300 H100 makes a huge difference on my usage patterns
14:14:03XavierGrbut other than that Gigabeat runs great
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14:16:02linuxstbmarkun: Have people complained about the gigabeat bootloader bootsplash disappearing?
14:16:14markunnot that I noticed
14:16:32markunbut I guess they don't update so often
14:16:42markunor maybe use unofficial builds
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14:18:21linuxstbmarkun: "14.08.09 # <markun> damn, we need another bootloader update for that :(" <−−- What were you referring to?
14:18:52markunlinuxstb: the mapping is done in the bootloader, right?
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14:19:13linuxstbI would expect it's done in Rockbox as well.
14:19:55markunmaybe we could do that as well yes
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14:20:01linuxstbOn the ipods at least, Rockbox does the memory remapping in crt0.S
14:20:27linuxstbbefore any position-dependent code is executed.
14:20:27markunon the Gigabeat it's done in mmu-megfx.c
14:23:49markunit could probably be simplified a lot with the bootloader in flash
14:24:05linuxstbYes, it seems memory_init() is only called once - in the bootloader.
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14:25:58jbahey gang, it's been a while
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14:27:52linuxstbmarkun: BTW, why is a battery cycle required when you change the bootloader on the gigabeat?
14:28:25markunlinuxstb: it is only required when you are in the OF I think
14:28:36jbalinuxstb, i think cause the standard toshy firmware doesn't actually shutdown / restart
14:28:38jbait sleeps
14:28:52markunjba: exactly, and hi btw :)
14:28:57jbahey mate
14:29:01jbabeen a while for me
14:29:09markunyes, busy with the baby I guess
14:29:13jbathings seem to be finally quieting down for me
14:29:15jbayeah
14:29:21linuxstbAh, OK. So it's only needed for the very first Rockbox install?
14:29:44markunlinuxstb: yes
14:29:44jbahow goes the mpeg player plugin?
14:30:05markunjhMikeS will be working on seeking I think
14:30:19markunand then we have the most important stuff
14:30:28jbawe already have buffering fixed then?
14:30:31markunjba: did you try the mpegplayer lately?
14:30:32markunyes
14:30:50jbanah, have been afraid to update since you mentioned the bad toshy x issues a few weeks ago
14:31:21linuxstbWhen you next upgrade, just make sure you install the new bootloader and new rockbox.zip at the same time.
14:31:26jbamight fire up my rockbox vmware image and upload the source now
14:31:32markunthe X issues have been fixed
14:31:52jbacool
14:31:57jbai'll get some latest sources now
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14:32:45jbasvn up running now
14:32:56*linuxstb wonders how the AMS writeup is coming along..... ;)
14:33:19markunjba: you also need to update the bootloader
14:33:21markundon't forget
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14:33:46jbayeah will make boot and regular target
14:33:55jbawonder if i should do make clean first
14:34:00*jhMikeS wonders why the e200 audio randomly switches from boot to boot between sounding good and sounding crappy and tinny :\
14:34:06jbait's been a while since i used the dev image
14:34:25linuxstbjba: You should just delete your build directories and start with clean ones - re-run tools/configure
14:34:37jbaspeaking of sounding tinny, anyone notest that the bass levels on the gigabeat don't seem to be too effective?
14:34:45markunjba: better to remove the build dirs and run tools/configure again
14:34:47jbamaybe it's just bad headphones
14:34:47markunto be safe
14:35:07jhMikeSjba: no, but mine pretty head shaking anyway
14:35:53jbajhMikeS, ?
14:36:03jbayou mean you get base out of your gigabeat?
14:36:23jhMikeSjba: like nuts...it's one of the best sounding players around imo
14:36:26jbai have my bass on 7 and it sounds like it's not even turned up
14:36:31jhMikeSodd
14:36:51jbamaybe it's the iriver earphones i retasked cause the gigabeat one's had a short cable
14:36:58markunjba: what about the equalizer?
14:37:00*jhMikeS has to give that AS3514 datasheet a going over
14:37:11markundo you hear a change with the lower band's gain up?
14:37:30jbai don't use software equalizer
14:37:37jhMikeSThe bass controls seem to do just fine on it
14:37:51jbamarkun, should i try the equalizer
14:38:05jhMikeSeq too...I'll listen to it real quick while paying attention
14:38:08linuxstbmarkun: What address do you think the flash should be remapped to? I chose 0x20000000 on the ipods - is that free on the gigabeat? I'm guessing I want CACHE_NONE as well...
14:38:22markunlinuxstb: yes, it's free
14:38:39markunCACHE_NONE sounds good yes
14:39:04jhMikeSlinuxstb: want a patch with the core locks to check? I think it's good enough to do a check now.
14:39:13linuxstbjhMikeS: Sure.
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14:40:17jbamarkun, hey i tried with a new meg-fx build folder and am getting a make error
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14:40:52jhMikeSjba: I think you might be right...they seem a little weak on the effect.
14:41:21jbajhMikeS, yeah and then on some songs it actually seems to distort at high levels, even though you don't hear the effect
14:41:33jbamarkun, will query you the make error
14:41:38jbait's an ld error again
14:41:40jhMikeSjba: I hear it but, right on too, distortion
14:42:55jhMikeSjba: in fact, LinusN commented about it when he got his but I thought it might be DSP related or something
14:42:56jbajhMikeS, when did you get a gigabeat?
14:43:10jbathey are an awesome machine
14:43:11jhMikeSMaybe a couple months ago or so
14:43:20jbaman i've been outa action for a while
14:43:30jhMikeSyes, especially what it does for video
14:43:31jbaso jhMikeS do you get an LD error in current svn?
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14:43:52jhMikeSjba: not yet...I saw one on the build table though
14:43:58jbamaybe i should delete my svn source tree and start again
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14:44:12jhMikeScould be, or try a revert maybe?
14:44:35jbai have a very old dev image
14:44:46Pimpdaddypaynemarkun, what file are the key bindings defined?
14:45:02jbamarkun, you think i should update the cross compiler?
14:45:11markunPimpdaddypayne: apps/keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c
14:45:32markuneh.. that's for gigabeat of course :)
14:45:49Pimpdaddypayne:P
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14:47:13markunPimpdaddypayne: I guess you get the idea and can figure out where yout nano keymap can be found
14:47:31jhMikeSlinuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=core_lock.patch.txt
14:47:36Pimpdaddypaynemarkun, found it
14:47:50Pimpdaddypaynemarkun, my left button doesnt work anymore ;( gonna assign it to something else, like hold....
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14:48:28jbahey guys i gotta head off and clean up before sleep
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14:48:40jbai'll be back tomorrow to try and build a fresh image for my rockbod
14:48:44jbagigabeat
14:49:00jbaif anyone else figures out that linker error leme know please
14:49:15Pimpdaddypaynerockbod?
14:49:25*Pimpdaddypayne hits the gym to get a rockbod
14:50:08linuxstbjhMikeS: I'm just compiling now - anything specific I should test?
14:50:09jbahehe
14:50:38Pimpdaddypaynemarkun, Do you have an ipod?
14:50:39jhMikeSlinuxstb: just that it doesn't crash/hang whatnot. beat up on mpegplayer a bit.
14:51:00linuxstbjhMikeS: If Rockbox boots it will be an improvement on the past...
14:51:34jhMikeSit should panic if the lock gets corrupted but I haven't observed it
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14:53:24markunPimpdaddypayne: no, iriver h120 and gigabeat f40
14:53:42Pimpdaddypaynemarkun, what the heck do you need that many media players for?
14:53:55markunjust 2
14:54:08JdGordon2 is a sane amount... some of the devs have 4+
14:54:08JdGordon!
14:54:51*jhMikeS is insane as usual
14:55:43*jhMikeS has 5 and probably won't stop there
14:55:44markunthere are also people who have a huge collection of the same player.. (points to toffe with his Gigabeat fetish)
14:56:45jhMikeSI can understand the taper's fetish with the H1xx series and the need to stock up on that one
14:56:47*Soap doesn't even develop and has 4 of his own plus the steady stream of ones he buys and sells.
14:59:12Pimpdaddypaynewoot
14:59:18Pimpdaddypaynefixed my not having a left button :P
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15:01:40Pimpdaddypaynerockbox won't run on 2G nano will it?
15:02:20TrueJournals"Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported" - www.rockbox.org
15:02:23TrueJournalsRight at the top
15:02:24earHertzjesus
15:02:31earHertzis the tag databse screwwed up?
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15:03:12PimpdaddypayneThey aren't supported on ipl either...what causes that?
15:03:15Pimpdaddypaynethey are too new?
15:03:47earHertzno, the older copy I had worked
15:04:12Soapthe Nano 2nd Generation, though it looks like a tiny version of the Mini...it is the first non-standard iPod ever.
15:04:15jhMikeSlinuxstb: it's that bad? :o
15:04:35PimpdaddypayneSoap, So it's not the same as the 1G Nano?
15:04:44Soapnot at all
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15:05:29JdGordonSoap: of course you mean non-standard hardware wise....
15:05:30SoapAll the other iPods are siblings. It is the third cousin, twice removed, who speaks a foreign language.
15:05:46JdGordonlooks (i.e the thing suers care about) is exactly the same
15:06:07Soapwell yea. There's a strong family resemblance ;)
15:06:56earHertztag databse is not displaying track numbers for several files in each album, thus making the album sort wrong
15:08:01JdGordonjhMikeS: is there any reason the encoder menus couldnt be converetd to the new api?
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15:08:44jhMikeSJdGordon: I don't really know because I'm not that familiar with it. If you know, go ahead. They are the most dynamic menus I think.
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15:09:20JdGordonoh, they are dynamic are they? hmmm
15:10:16jhMikeSCompletely different menus for each encoder and they sync settings together.
15:10:40JdGordonjhMikeS: whats with enc_no_config_menu? can that be changed to a plain empty menu?
15:10:58JdGordonor better yet... a splash
15:11:19PimpdaddypayneThe apple logo that comes on when you first turn the ipod on.... is that part of the firmware? or is that something hardcoded into the unit?
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15:11:31jhMikeSJdGordon: that could work. can the string be dropped? it won't be voiced though right?
15:12:01JdGordonjhMikeS: well, there is plans to voice splash screens, and the splash would still use te string.. so no
15:12:05earHertzPimpdaddypayne: flash apple bootloader, i think
15:12:07jhMikeSor just use the string in the splash, heh
15:12:57jhMikeSI suppose make it "No Settings" instead of "(No Settings)" though
15:13:43JdGordonmeh, its good enough
15:13:59JdGordonjust trying to kill the need for the menu old api wrappers
15:14:11JdGordonshould shrink binary a fair bit if that can be moved to the plugin api
15:14:20jhMikeSI haven't looked at that since I made it keep the status bar in sync. It needs it's own menu function atm.
15:14:59jhMikeSenc_run_menu since it passes data. is that a problem still or not?
15:15:17JdGordonim not sure... I'm pretty sure I can handle that in the new api fairly easily...
15:15:21JdGordongonna have a play
15:16:48JdGordonhttp://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dump070429231526hp2.png <- worst font ever!
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15:17:40jhMikeShaha...yeah, that one's a bit gaudy
15:18:03jhMikeSand next to the nice icons too
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15:18:40JdGordonusing a splash for no settings works fine btw
15:20:11jhMikeSgood...that shouldn't cause problems since it doesn't modify anything at all
15:21:52PimpdaddypayneAnyone have a picture of Tux 176x54?
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15:22:39earHertzrockbox isn't a linux system
15:22:39jhMikeSI don't want to lose the simple list in there since adding encoders is rather a breeze atm. We'll be able to just plug a menu in if the other encoders get one?
15:22:52JdGordonjhMikeS: can we use NULL for the menu to show the splash instead of aving that extra function? saves a bit of space
15:23:19austriancoderHave a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AudioHardwareAPIProposal - badly formated, but I am not a wiki hero
15:23:41*JdGordon will only convert in such a way that nothing breaks
15:23:44jhMikeSsure
15:24:20jhMikeSSo you just check if the function is NULL and then show the splash if it is? should be good that way
15:24:35JdGordonyeah
15:25:04JdGordonand it works :)
15:25:07earHertzwon't a null check actually mean more compiled code?
15:25:07jhMikeSit was only there to show something in place of a menu in the first place
15:25:34*jhMikeS probably should have done that from the getgo
15:25:40JdGordonyes, but it means a function isnt needed, and 1 less function call
15:26:23earHertzright, but having an empty fucntion makes the code a bit smaller
15:26:23jhMikeSit should be a bit less so actually
15:26:46earHertzas the length of the emptty fucntion is just on assembly command, an iret
15:26:57earHertzs/on/one
15:27:47JdGordonthe only change really was changing a function call to a if()
15:28:08jhMikeSyou can really bypass all the code once the validity of the format is checked
15:29:13JdGordonwe'll find out the delta in 4 min :p
15:29:21JdGordonuntill then... im getting some tucker
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15:30:26jhMikeSI know enc_config_menu is #if 0'ed out but should probably be synced for keep it all correct
15:31:29JdGordonah, didnt see that, ok
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15:35:47JdGordonlittle green delta :) too bad none of those targets really care about bin size
15:37:54jhMikeSwell, it's 1/2940th of a second more encoder buffer :)
15:39:37JdGordondepends on the codec no?
15:40:18jhMikeSyes, but for the hardcore tapers it should be that
15:40:29JdGordon:)
15:41:12JdGordonI think this global variable is going to make things difficult
15:41:27jhMikeSwhich?
15:41:49JdGordonthe one named global which is passed around all the menus
15:41:50jhMikeSthat array?
15:42:02JdGordonbool global
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15:43:09jhMikeSyou can add it to struct enc_config and set it before calling
15:44:03My_Sicdoes someone can help me ? problem with cygwin
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15:49:07jhMikeSI'd add it to the end though or else the codec API will have to go up
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16:05:32jhMikeSlinuxstb: the patch bricked your DAP and now you're all "what an a55hole" now?...:D
16:08:23JdGordonjhMikeS: exiting the menu then going back in changes the bitrate back to 16... but if the menu doesnt exit i can keep going into the menu and it will show the correct value... i take it this means ive broken it?
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16:11:50jhMikeSummm, yeah...it should always show it right
16:12:11QwertManI hear that RockBox is no longer under development, and that any current bugs will not be fixed, is this true? I have a Sansa e250 and plan on installing RockBox on it.
16:12:45jhMikeSJdGordon: And the statusbar should always sync immediately upon exiting a setting
16:13:38JdGordonQwertMan: whoever told you that is a moron
16:13:41jhMikeSQwertMan: yes, shop is closing up soon
16:14:38jhMikeSseems noone cares enought to make it worth it and we just decided the original firmware was better than anything we could ever hope to accomplish...so all good things...
16:15:53QwertManI get it. So basically there aren't many people still producing it because everybody is ok with the current firmware, but there will still be updates and patches now and then.
16:17:34JdGordonQwertMan: invert your entire comment and its true
16:18:07JdGordonjhMikeS: got it working... not sure which version looks nicer though... needed to put in a small hack or 3 to make it work
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16:19:32jhMikeSwhy should it look any different :?
16:20:31*jhMikeS forgot to tell him "gullible" isn't in the dictionary as well
16:21:56linuxstbjhMikeS: It was nothing personal - my ADSL just decided to stop working and fail to reconnect...
16:22:16linuxstbRockbox itself seems to work fine, but mpegplayer freezes.
16:22:27JdGordonjhMikeS: http://rafb.net/p/x5LDjf30.html is the diff
16:22:42linuxstbThe first time I tried mpegplayer, it froze on a black screen immediately without any playback. The second time it worked, but when I pressed STOP, it froze.
16:24:04jhMikeSlinuxstb: odd, I'd think if there we're some fundamental problem it would show up on all of them
16:25:29jhMikeSthere is some stuff in there that's not safe yet and timing changes could cause it...I'll have to think I guess
16:25:51linuxstbI need to out for a short while now, but when I get back I'll test again with a clean SVN. I've got a few local changes which shouldn't affect things, but you never know.
16:26:18linuxstbI'll also make sure that SVN mpegplayer is working OK - I haven't tried it for a while.
16:27:25jhMikeSlinuxstb: it seems to be, even on sansa. you can also test it with the C locks to see if that changes things
16:27:42jhMikeSJdGordon: You want me to apply that and check it?
16:28:24JdGordonwell.. it works in the sim... more just make sure the code is still understandable
16:29:00jhMikeSI think so
16:29:48JdGordon... and make sure that doesnt break anything im not aware of
16:29:59jhMikeSIt's best I do a run then
16:34:56jhMikeScompiling...etc...
16:40:32JdGordonso anyway... one nice bonus with this change is that codecs can have full blown menus here, not only function calls
16:42:43jhMikeSit seems to be working alright
16:43:13JdGordonand the code doesnt seem any worse than before? :)
16:43:14jhMikeSwhat's the string "MP3 encoder settings" used for?
16:43:20JdGordonthe title
16:43:30JdGordonI change it to LANG_ENCODER_SETTINGS
16:43:35JdGordonchanged*
16:43:40jhMikeSah
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16:44:06JdGordonwe _could_ add it in for each codec, but I dont think its necassary
16:44:54JdGordonalso, adding it would make a red delta :p
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16:45:05jhMikeSeverything could use struct menucallback_data to even it all out instead of the global param
16:45:28jhMikeSwhy add it for a codec with no settings? :)
16:46:32JdGordonthe string? we wouldnt... but the h300 delta will be about -28... so adding the mp3 title might just put it over ;p
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16:47:22jhMikeSI guess mp3_enc_convert_config and the dummy menu prototypes for the other encoders should use the struct
16:47:35jhMikeSTo add the string as LANG_*?
16:48:12jhMikeSso should this one go in the menus directory too?
16:49:16austriancoderI have a question... should we enable or disable BIAS in the as3514 audio codec driver? Whats about adding dither to the audio stream?
16:49:19JdGordonI dont know... possibly
16:49:37JdGordonjhMikeS: is that file used for anything other than the configs/menu?
16:50:18JdGordonjhMikeS: updated diff http://rafb.net/p/XInZ2x22.html
16:50:45jhMikeSaustriancoder: I don't know yet but it randomly sounds tinny and bad/good so maybe that
16:51:29austriancoderwhat does BIAS exactly?
16:53:01RincewindjdGordon (or someone else who knows it): I need a settings value inside firmware/powermgmt.c is it ok to include settings.h there and use the globalsettings struct?
16:53:14jhMikeSJdGordon: what about mp3_enc_convert_config?
16:53:30JdGordonRincewind: no
16:53:40JdGordonfirmware cannot user apps/
16:53:41*jhMikeS should look up the BIAS thingy
16:53:43JdGordonuse*
16:54:04Rincewindthen it is good that I asked here first
16:54:13JdGordon:)
16:54:24Rincewindwhat do you mean with "use*"?
16:54:35jhMikeSthe codec chip seems to end up with random settings at boot though
16:54:59JdGordonjhMikeS: well... I dont really see the benefit of changing that to make 1 param instead of two
16:55:10JdGordonRincewind: that was me saying i meant to type use instead of user
16:55:24RincewindI see
16:55:49JdGordonRincewind: for firmare/ settings you need a global in your file and a function to get/set it from apps/ (look in backlight.c for a horrible example)
16:57:05jhMikeSJdGordon: consistent params I guess and save maybe another dozen bytes :\ ... I like squeezing things down but I'm obsessive
16:57:41JdGordongot a better name for menucallback_data then?
16:58:06JdGordonand wont it be more code, because it would need to do data->cfg every time instead of cfg?
16:59:22jhMikeShehe...struct config_param_data :P
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17:00:00jhMikeSjust to test the global variable?
17:00:47jhMikeSI might reverse all that...it might have to be as is
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17:01:10JdGordon:) ok, ill leave as is and commit then... it can be changed later if needed
17:01:17jhMikeSyeah, hrm...that's one's probably best left as is
17:01:26JdGordonafter this only onplay.c and debug_menu.c use the old api
17:01:48jhMikeSisn't there something else?
17:01:55JdGordonwell.. plugins
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17:02:20jhMikeSI'm thought I remembered something but you probably got at it already
17:02:52JdGordonim going to grab the old menu code and copy it straight into the plugin lib code as a stand in untill they are all changed
17:03:03jhMikeSthe codec settings could have been it...
17:03:22My_Sicdoes someone using coLinux to build rockbox ?
17:05:51*jhMikeS can't help feel like there's some old style menu hiding in some obscure corner but then exhaustion does that
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17:07:27jhMikeSworking on PP target has a way of zapping one's energy
17:08:35markunjhMikeS: hopefully I'll find a nice blackfin DAP for you to have fun with
17:09:28JdGordonMy_Sic: Soap does
17:09:48JdGordonjhMikeS: i did a search for menu_init and only onplay.c and debug_menu.c and plugins come up
17:10:03Soap?
17:13:08JdGordonSoap: My_Sic was looking for colinux help...
17:13:36jhMikeSmarkun: sadist!
17:13:53SoapMy_Sic: let's either PM, or join me in #JunkChannel
17:14:09jhMikeSJdGordon: ah...not something I came up with in a stupor at least :)
17:14:44markunjhMikeS: the one I found was unethical to buy according to linuxstb because of the total disregard for open source licenses
17:14:47markun:)
17:15:48jhMikeSbecause they use open source and then don't publish?
17:16:06markunyes
17:16:21jhMikeSthen it's ethical to steal one
17:16:34markunand mix gpl stuff with closed source stuff (wmv code from MS)
17:17:08jhMikeSwe're sort of halfway there with secret hardware docs :\
17:17:35markunleaked docs you mean?
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17:18:49markunI found a 'tear down' of the Ainol V1000 (can't find it again but I have a bookmark at work) and I was able to find datasheets for all the components at least
17:18:53intgr<My_Sic> does someone using coLinux to build rockbox ?
17:19:06markuna DAC from TI, philips chip for USB
17:19:10intgrcoLinux is in no way different from native Linux as far as the user space is concerned, so there shouldn't be any difference.
17:19:29jhMikeSno, things like the AS3514 docs...but then again, perhaps it's not so bad since perhaps we can show that open source and confidential information can comingle
17:20:23intgrCan anyone grant me access to create wiki pages? I'd like to summarize the information I've found out about SigmaTel STMP3xxx chips.
17:22:02Soapintgr: your Wiki name is?
17:22:46intgrSoap: Got it?
17:23:17Soapgive this old man a second.
17:23:26intgrSure. :)
17:23:46RincewindJdGordon: is there a way to have a default value for a setting dynamically (the default value depends on runtime parameters) and a fixed value is only used when the user explicitly changes the setting?
17:23:48intgrJust that some people (ironically) don't notice "notice" messages
17:24:20Soapyou should be in
17:24:25intgrThanks.
17:24:27jhMikeSmarkun: what is it that so different about blackfin anyway?
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17:24:49intgrSoap: "Access check on TWiki.SigmaTelSTMP3xxx failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web."
17:24:58intgrOh, should I be creating it inside Main?
17:25:03JdGordonRincewind: no reason why not... i think sound sort of does that
17:25:07JdGordonwhat are you trying to do?
17:25:21intgrSoap: Yeah, it works; never mind.
17:25:26RincewindI am trying to introduce a scale parameter for the runtime estimate
17:25:42Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SigmaTelSTMP3xxx is what I _assume_ the path should be, but I'm not a wiki admin/mod
17:25:47RincewindI want to have menu item, where the maximum runtime can be set
17:25:49Soapoh, nevermind.
17:26:59Rincewindif the user doesn't set the runtime, then the default calculated value without scaling should be shown in the menu
17:27:18*jhMikeS wonders if the BIAS thing isn't what's being set randomly on sansa, seems to be an impedance issue at that
17:27:48markunjhMikeS: it's a RISC CPU + DSP but unlike TI with a lot of documentation
17:27:52JdGordonRincewind: for sure thats possible... but im way too tired to help you out tonight im afraid :(
17:27:54markunand the asm is very nice to look at
17:27:55JdGordongoing to bed ina few min
17:28:33Rincewindjust one more question: do I have to write a callback for that or is this the wrong way?
17:28:38jhMikeSodd...I thought TI was more openly
17:28:38Slasherii think rockbox should try estimate the average current consumption under longer period of time (for example a few minutes) to give a better estimate
17:28:54markunjhMikeS: with the DM320?
17:29:35jhMikeSheck if I know a DM320 from a hole in my head atm
17:31:24jhMikeSsounds like the blackfin would be fun one with all it's mac stuff
17:32:54markunjhMikeS: take a look at the nice code in here: http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/bfin/
17:35:30jhMikeSit almost reminds me of BASIC code...odd looking assembly
17:35:44markunbut easy to understand
17:36:15markunthinks like: [−−SP] = (R7:4, P5:3); // Push the registers onto the stack.
17:37:40markunalthough I'm not sure what R7:4 is :) (R7,R8,R9,R10?)
17:38:14jhMikeSwhat, you don't like, lea (-8, %sp), %sp; movem.l d0/d1, (%sp) or ldmdb [sp]!, { r0, r1 } ?
17:38:51markun:)
17:39:15jhMikeSperhaps the byte you're interested in? heck if I know but I suppose one programming task and I would
17:39:31markunyes, indeed
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17:40:15jhMikeSabout the most atrocious assembly, except maybe for PICs is x86
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17:45:42jhMikeSof course that SH stuff look like they didn't know if they wanted it to look like 68000 or ARM
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18:51:53web-tazhttp://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42675 <−− what means MULTI and NON-MULTI?
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19:08:10kkurbjunmarkun, I havn't looked at the ATA driver/interface at all so I can't really speak on it.
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19:29:05web-tazhello?
19:29:19reabsindhello, I need WikiEdit privileges on RockBox...who do I contact on here?
19:29:54web-tazcan anybody tell me the difference between the MULTI an NON-MULTI Builds http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42675
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19:31:06web-tazplease
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19:33:15reabsindmultiple versions?
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19:36:51reabsindto me multi-build seems like a custom version of rockbox created by one developer
19:36:56massiveHdoes anyone have the files needed to flash rockbox on a recorder v1, as the wiki links are dead?
19:38:16web-tazand what is then the nonmulti build? they're also a custom build...
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19:41:19Domonokyweb-taz: just guessing but it could be a build with the multi-font patch.. but ask on mystic river, custom builds are not supported here
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19:42:08web-tazbuilds without mulifont dont support some wps, don't they?
19:42:12reabsindit has multi −−- many stuff .. including fonts (perhaps even boot)...but yes, it looks like a custom build
19:42:53web-tazokay
19:42:54web-tazthx
19:43:24QwertMan1 quick question: On the website there's talk about how with RockBox on the Sansa e200 you can't connect to the computer through USB. Does this mean once you're running RockBox on the Sansa you're stuck with what you've got, or are you able to boot the Sansa OS to connect to USB.
19:44:09DomonokyQwertMan: i dont have a sansa, but it is probably that you have to boot the Sansa OS
19:44:29Domonokycompletly loosing USB would be silly..
19:44:46QwertManYeah, I just wanted to be safe
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19:45:28Domonokyyou can uninstall rockbox on every player, so there must be USB ( by booting the OF)
19:46:27reabsindYep...you can restart SANSA in recovery mode to restore the original (OEM) firmware
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19:46:43reabsindweb-taz: BTW, I am just guessing... will confirm it for you
19:47:19Domonokybe carefull with the recovery mode on Sansa, afaik you can brick the sansa in this mode..
19:47:34Domonokyso read the Manual ! :-)
19:47:48QwertManOk, not even sure what recovery mode is
19:48:05QwertManI just installed the bootloader for rockbox.. this better not mess anything up
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19:48:27Domonokyyes that should be safe (via sansapatcher)
19:48:43Domonokybut, read the manual, its very helpfull..
19:49:29QwertMankk... Wow, there's that junk at the top of the screen I was reading about on the forums
19:49:55reabsindwebtaz: Mutli build is "Multi font" build
19:50:18Domonokythe sansa port is in an early state, so expect a few problems, but they will get better over time..
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19:52:21QwertManYeah, it's really fidgety. I just got an error. It doesn't detect my music folder... weird.
19:52:42robin0800ie different fonts in one WPS
19:53:02DomonokyQwertMan: i dont have a sansa, so i cant help. sorry..
19:53:22Domonokybut have a look in the forums / wiki an manual..
19:54:54reabsindhpeeze>if i put rockbox on my sansa e200 how can i remove it or go back to the original firmware?
19:54:55reabsindangusthefuzz>use the sansapatcher and hit the 'u' key when it asks
19:54:56reabsindangusthefuzz>or power on the player while pressing hte |<< key
19:54:57DBUGEnqueued KICK reabsind
19:54:57reabsindhpeeze>where can i get the sansapatcher?
19:54:58reabsindangusthefuzz>just read the manual for the sansa port of rockbox
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19:54:59reabsind05:39:10angusthefuzzits all in there
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19:59:57Domonokyhas anyone tested my rbutil patch ?
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20:37:40linuxstbDomonoky: You know how to silence a room.... :)
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20:44:18hostf4cekillaif there any capacity whatsoever for NTP syncing rockbox clock?
20:44:49markunhow?
20:44:57linuxstbNot until USB host drivers are written and a TCP/IP stack...
20:45:19hostf4cekillahow bout a box-side shell script?
20:45:39intgrWell, you don't really need NTP to synchronize a clock.
20:45:54markuna bit overkill maybe :)
20:46:03markunhostf4cekilla: what would the script do?
20:46:26QwertManarg... looks like RB doesn't support wma, any patch for this?
20:46:46linuxstbQwertMan: No, but it's planned to be worked on over the summer
20:46:50hostf4cekillaprobably write to some offset file in the .rockbox folder
20:47:32markunhostf4cekilla: maybe you can come up with such a script. I don't see how it should work exactly
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20:47:59hostf4cekillaanybody familar with where the Clock plugin internals are located?
20:48:06linuxstbapps/plugins/clock.c
20:48:27hostf4cekillalemme go parse that... thanks, all.
20:48:31linuxstbBut I'm not sure how that's useful for this task
20:50:09markunhostf4cekilla: but feel free to work on it, I would like to be able to sync my clock somehow.
20:54:23intgrAny ideas whether Rockbox would compile with a GCC 1.x compiler? :)
20:54:54intgrWell, the most compiler I found supporting my target is based on GCC 1.37.1, written in 1992 :)
20:55:07markunintgr: which target is that?
20:55:17intgrMotorola DSP56004
20:55:22markunwhich player?
20:55:44intgrIn a SigmaTel STMP3411 SoC chip, inside a Philips Rush SA230 player.
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20:57:50intgrThe STMP3xxx chip is amazingly popular; there would probably already exist a Rockbox port if it had a decent compiler.
20:58:09intgriPod Shuffle, for one, is also using it.
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20:59:04BHSPitMonkeywhen is rockbox getting ported to the Shuffle, speaking of which?
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21:00:35intgrDon't get your hopes up −− when there's an adequate compiler for the target.
21:00:45BHSPitMonkeyrawr.
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21:00:59BHSPitMonkeyvoice menus on a shuffle...
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21:08:23EbErTcrap, looks like rockbox sucked ALL the juice out of my ipod
21:08:40EbErTi let it idle while plugged in on rockbox, shouldn't it charge some?
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21:17:15Soapdepends on many factors.
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21:26:25webguest23i just put the latest build on my ihp-120 now no music will play
21:27:50markunwebguest23: what happens?
21:29:08webguest23it sits at 0 and some error message keeps popping up but i can't read it because it flashes away too quickly
21:29:15peturwebguest23: 1) if there's a rockbox.iriver file in the root, remove it. 2) did you unzip all?
21:29:29webguest23yeah unziped all
21:29:51webguest23it says codec failure
21:30:10peturwhat about my point (1)?
21:30:24webguest23working on that
21:32:18webguest23ok now when it boots it says "loading firmware result -1"
21:32:33markunyou might have a very old bootloader then
21:32:41peturhow old is your bootloader?
21:32:49webguest23way old
21:32:54peturbingo
21:32:59webguest23been using rockbox for like 5 years
21:33:05webguest23maybe 4
21:33:18peturbetter install the latest bootloader
21:33:24webguest23cool
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21:36:50webguest23is there anything special i need to do because i already have the bootloader or should i just follow the instructions
21:38:42peturdon't know about h1xx, maybe just follow the instructions?
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21:41:02Sanithey, there used to be a bug in Rockbox, which was, while you are recording to wav through line in and you are recording for a while, the recording would be sped up at some parts, and will be fine at others... is that fixed now
21:41:03Sanit?
21:41:56markunpetur: you know a lot about recording, right?
21:42:10petura bit ;)
21:42:50peturit was better before jhMikeS changed it
21:43:01peturmy knowledge about it I mean
21:43:13SanitI used to record some band practices from starty to finish. They were about 3-5 hours long. The recordings were how I described
21:43:32Sanitthis was about 5 months ago though, I have just started again, and don't know if it has improved
21:43:54peturI can't remember that issue
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21:44:13Sanithhhm, just me then :(
21:44:18peturrecording is fine, there might be an issue with REP though
21:44:25peturwhat target?
21:44:30SanitH300
21:44:30webguest23sweet it works now thanks...when did the ui change?
21:44:33amiconn'evening
21:44:44Sanitwell, H320 with a 30GB hard drive
21:44:50peturSanit: works fine on my h380 :p
21:44:58amiconnBagder: Now storebror has that nasty ld segfault problem. Seems like it's not 64 bit only...
21:45:02Sanithow long were the recordings though?
21:45:10Sanitthe small recordings work fine for me
21:45:20Sanitany longer than 20 mins and it starts happening
21:45:30Sanitits no problem, it is probally fixed now anyway
21:45:39peturSanit: mostly around 45 to 90 minutes
21:46:01Sanitah, and they were all fine?
21:46:14petursure
21:46:21Sanitthats ok then
21:46:28Sanitthanks
21:47:08peturwebguest23: recently
21:47:28markunwebguest23: 2007-03-01
21:47:45webguest23cool
21:47:55webguest23thanks for your help
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22:09:54myndzihrm.. my disk is not spinning down, it keeps having activity periodically; how can i figure out what is causing it? it keeps doing it even if i stop playback, or let it play, or pause, etc.
22:10:06myndzih340 player
22:10:42earHertzmyndzi: you don't have a debug build, by any chance?
22:11:04myndzidon't think so
22:11:18myndziof course about 10 seconds after i said that it finally DID spin down
22:11:22myndzibut it went on for quite a while
22:11:31myndzii thought maybe it was updating the database (i'd just put files on it), but auto-update is disabled
22:11:42earHertzdunno
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22:11:53reabsindHow do I get wikiedit permissions???
22:13:11earHertznot sure. register?
22:13:19myndziregister and ask in here
22:13:28desowinreabsind: register and tell your name so we can add you to the list
22:13:29reabsindregistered
22:13:38reabsindwith the same name
22:13:50reabsindReabSind
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22:15:41desowindone
22:15:55reabsindthank you..
22:16:21reabsindI was trying to disassemble an ARM-based TeleChip firmware
22:16:28peturerr... reabsind: is that your real name?
22:16:59reabsindit does have my real name in it :)
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22:17:30desowinumm, it is your name and surname together ? I assume yes ...
22:17:52reabsindit seems there are number of players on the telechip arm series
22:18:15reabsindRight from TCC76x Series - TCC82x
22:18:16peturreabsind: please register with your real name (MyName style), funky looking names may/will get removed during cleanup actions
22:18:51reabsindy is that?
22:19:09reabsindas long as a nick contributes...
22:19:52desowinrules on wiki states that you have to choose nick on wiki which is NameSurname
22:20:13earHertzlegal reasons
22:21:23reabsindouch! ...If my employer figures out I am spending time on extra-curricular activies.... that won't give me a good pay hike :P
22:21:45desowinyou're in work now ?
22:21:56earHertzactually, maqny employers will see open source work as evidence that you're a serious programmer
22:21:56reabsindyes I am working
22:22:06reabsindnot mine
22:22:10desowinor your employee is moron and forbids you to work on open-source
22:22:18reabsindyes, you could say that
22:22:18earHertzhowever, it's also necessary that your employer not cliam that your rockbox work is owned by them
22:23:08reabsindWell..then maybe I should just look somewhere else...
22:23:13reabsindthanks guys :)
22:23:30reabsindI will start up a blog and get working there...till then buh bye rockbox
22:23:53earHertzgood luck
22:24:06reabsindI was here to help.....that's what open source means to me
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22:24:15jknotzkeHi
22:24:17jknotzkemajor problem..
22:24:24jknotzkei installed rockbox on my ipod
22:24:30reabsindand if there are legal hassles here too... then I rather work on something new
22:24:31jknotzkebooted it
22:24:33jknotzkeall is ok
22:24:34Domonokyreabsind: you could work on rockbox in your free time :-) during work hours, you should work :-)
22:24:43jknotzkethen deleted .rockbox on the ipod
22:24:50jknotzkethen removed the bootloader
22:24:57jknotzkenow the best I can get is the Apple Logo
22:25:13TrueJournalsjknotzke: Boot into disk mode and run the Apple iPod recovery tool
22:25:15earHertzjknotzke: reinstall either the rb bootloader or the apple one
22:25:29jknotzkehow do I boot into disk mode ?
22:25:30earHertzor better, what TrueJournals said
22:25:34reabsind>>>read the manual....ipodlinux
22:25:44reabsindtake care guys...have fun
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22:25:47desowinreabsind: I have no idea why you would hide you real name
22:26:08desowinyou just get credit for your work, nothing else
22:26:16TrueJournalsjknotzke: hold the menu and play button while starting it up
22:26:24TrueJournalshttp://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651
22:26:32earHertzwait, I thought we got a dollar evertime someone downloaded rockbox
22:26:52jknotzkeok
22:26:54jknotzkethat worked
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22:27:04jknotzkei can connect to the ipod
22:27:23desowinnow use iPod updater and restore the iPod
22:27:35jknotzkesorry.. where can I find this ipod updater ?
22:27:47desowinare you on windows or mac os x ?
22:27:51jknotzkelinux
22:27:59jknotzkei assume I should boot into windows then ...
22:28:10desowinyou can do it without windows
22:28:30jknotzkeok
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22:28:47jknotzkedesowin: how ?
22:29:03krazykitearHertz, were that true, i'd have a script that would wget rockbox over and over
22:29:36earHertzkrazykit: IF THAT WERE TRUE, YOU'D BE PAYING A DOLLAR EACH TIME THAT SCRIPT RAN
22:29:47earHertzoh, sorry for the caps
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22:30:11krazykitoh noes
22:30:16chrisjs169why would you be paying a dollar?
22:30:27krazykiti thought The Man was giving you a dollar each time
22:30:44earHertzi am The Man
22:31:03bluebrotherjknotzke, run ipodpatcher and choose to remove the bootloader
22:31:19CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:31:19*krazykit sticks it to earHertz
22:31:25jknotzkebluebrother: i did that.. and no luck
22:31:33jknotzkebluebrother: it claims to remove it
22:31:37bluebrotherhmm.
22:31:38*earHertz puts krazykit up agiainst the wall
22:31:41jknotzkebluebrother: and then when I restart.. same problem
22:31:56bluebrotheryou can try to dd the firmware update to the "empty" partition of the ipod
22:32:12jknotzkebluebrother: i might as well just boot into windows
22:32:26bluebrothersure, if you want to ;-)
22:32:30jknotzke;-)
22:32:33jknotzkeok thanks for the help
22:32:35jknotzkewish me luck!
22:32:44bluebrotherI usually prefer to not boot into windows. Good luck.
22:32:56jknotzkebluebrother: oh and when I do, i should just restore by going into iTunes ?
22:33:14bluebrotherI never tried, but I think that's the way to go
22:33:35desowinjknotzke: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ - you can get firmware from there
22:34:43jknotzkeok
22:34:46jknotzkegot it
22:34:57jknotzkemine is a ipod video white from late 2006
22:35:06jknotzkei assume it's 25.1.2.1 ?
22:35:13jknotzkethe firmware I am looking for..
22:35:31bluebrotherjknotzke, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore might be of interest to you
22:36:31jknotzkethanks
22:36:34jknotzkebbl
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22:53:39earHertzmidkay: !
22:53:47midkayearHertz: !
22:54:03earHertzI was cursing you last night
22:54:32earHertz(couldn't figure out the exit button for the clock plugin)
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23:02:23Bagdergrrrr, crappy ld
23:08:19earHertzBagder: running linux, what's the minimum system memory I'd want tocompile rockbox without frustration?
23:09:08BagderI don't really know. I personally wouldn't run any OS with less than 512mb ram these days
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23:09:28earHertzyeah, I'd tend more to at least a gig
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23:16:12*petur plans to misuse devcon a little bit for linux support if he gets linux working on his new laptop :)
23:16:29Bagder:-)
23:16:30amiconnearHertz: 256MB are enough for building rockbox
23:16:40amiconn(that's what I have assigned to my linux vm)
23:16:48earHertzyeah, but ...
23:16:50earHertzhmm
23:16:52amiconn...and it doesn't swap while building
23:17:15amiconn...and it runs full gui (gnome)
23:17:21earHertzI have a dual core 2.0 GHz 2.0 GB mem desktop −− in storage
23:17:28bagawkbuilding rockbox is going to be more cpu intensive than memory intensive
23:17:49earHertzcrap. this is the drawback to living in hotels
23:17:51amiconn128MB aren't enough for a few source files
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23:18:26bagawkI have a dual 1ghz pentium 3 with 256mb box that cranks out a build almost as fast as one I have with 2gb of ram
23:18:33amiconn(e.g. apps/plugins/pacbox/z80.c)
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23:18:53earHertzhmmm. See, I want to get a cheap laptop, until I'm sure what expensive laptop to get
23:19:00earHertzas in, used
23:20:44amiconnHmm. Linux is nice for some things, but I can't imagine using it as the only OS, and especially not on a laptop
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23:21:06*Bagder uses it only on his desktop and laptop
23:21:22earHertzwell, yeah, there's teh wifi issue
23:21:33Bagderwifi is not really the problem
23:21:37Bagderimho
23:21:40earHertzI mean, I have a nice work laptop I'm using now.
23:21:51earHertzBut I don't wnat to use it for side projects
23:22:06earHertzBagder: knoppiz won't wifi, basiclaly
23:22:16amiconnBagder: One thing I know almost never works on linux laptops is the built-in modem
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23:22:27Bagdermodem?
23:22:34amiconnyes
23:22:35Bagderwell sure
23:22:43*bluebrother had his modem running once using alsa
23:22:44earHertzwell, winmodem
23:22:47BagderI haven't used a modem in many years so its not a problem of mine
23:22:47earHertzno kidding
23:22:50amiconnI need the modem every now and then...
23:23:09bluebrotheryou can always plug in a pcmcia modem in that rare cases ;-)
23:23:11Bagderbut yeah, winmodems are evil
23:23:26earHertzothe rproblem is, used laptops are way overpriced
23:23:42earHertzI mean, half the cost of a new and much higher powered one
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23:38:23Soapmodem? what is that?
23:38:48Bagderthe early cavemen used them, right after learned how to make fire
23:40:05earHertzSoap: it's for something called a non-mobile analog phone, whatever THAT is
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23:43:41TrueJournalsdarn samba...
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