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#rockbox log for 2007-05-01

00:00:48scorcheSoap: it is easier to say all PP targets ;)
00:01:54TrueJournalsOK... still having a problem with the simulator. The −−debugwps tag doesn't seem to do anyting...
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00:11:39TrueJournalsAnyone?
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00:15:30stripwaxTrueJournals : - it works for me. what are you trying to do?
00:16:17TrueJournalsWell, the Simplified2D WPS at http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 won't load on my H10 (it shows the default WPS instead of the simplified 2D one)
00:16:23TrueJournalsSo, I figure it's a parsing error
00:16:51stripwaxTrueJournals : - you should get a wps error to stderr (even without the debugwps switch)
00:17:10TrueJournalsI'm using Windows, should it create the file stderr?
00:17:12*Arathis loads newest rockbox to try his simplified 2d version
00:17:27Arathiswhich actually should be the newsest though it's my theme ^^
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00:23:05stripwaxTrueJournals - by "stderr" I meant 'the console'
00:23:28TrueJournalsAh, well, as soon as I hit enter on the command, it just gives me another prompt...
00:23:35stripwaxTrueJournals - fwiw, I use Cygwin. I'm not sure where the output goes if you're using something else..
00:23:56to1Using tagnavi is it possible to display tracks in order of filename without actually displaying the filename?
00:24:07TrueJournalsEven if I do rockboxui.exe −−debugwps > debug.txt it doesn't really display any errors in debug.txt
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00:25:07tom56Using tagnavi is it possible to display tracks in order of filename without actually displaying the filename? (e.g. by using %strip?)
00:25:24TrueJournalsstripwax: All debug.txt says is "WPS debug mode enabled."
00:26:05stripwaxTrueJournal - try "rockboxui.exe −−debugwps > debug.txt 2>&1" (without the quotes)
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00:26:38stripwaxTrueJournals - doing just the > redirects stdout but not stderr
00:26:46TrueJournalsah, OK, trying...
00:27:19TrueJournalsAh, now THAT seems to have worked
00:27:20TrueJournalsthanks
00:27:26stripwaxgreat!
00:29:12TrueJournals%al %fc | %fbkbps%ar%pp/%pe is the line that's giving me problems "Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional)"
00:29:27TrueJournalsMy guess is that the | indicates a conditional, even though there is no conditional
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00:29:40pixelmayes you have to escape it
00:29:42TrueJournalsWhat the | there should do is just output | I'm guessing...
00:29:47TrueJournalshow do I escape it?
00:29:50stripwax\|
00:29:54pixelma"%|"
00:29:59TrueJournalsOK... let me try that...
00:30:04stripwaxoops. yeah, what pixelma said
00:31:05TrueJournalsOK, now there's another one... let's see...
00:31:17pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Other_Tags
00:32:18TrueJournals"%?pb|4|13|147|" - "Unclosed conditional"
00:32:24ArathisTrueJournals: I didn't follow rockbox process in the the last month, but I think there where some changes regarding WPS. By that I didn't fix the WPS till now
00:33:18pixelmaTrueJournals: the progress bar is not a conditional - so the question mark is wrong there
00:33:19TrueJournalsArathis: Ah, makes sense... the one big change was that it makes sure WPS files work before they are loaded... so if there
00:33:36TrueJournals was something that worked but was kind of weird... it would have shown fine before
00:33:54stripwaxyep
00:34:06TrueJournalsThat was the last thing that was wrong :-D
00:34:20TrueJournalsThanks for the help :-D
00:34:39pixelmaglad it works now :)
00:34:42TrueJournalsI gotta go... thanks again :-D
00:34:46Arathisso what should be changed to make the theme work again? I'll update it then
00:34:59TrueJournals%?pb = remove the "?"
00:35:17TrueJournalson line 34 I think... there's " | " change to " %| "
00:35:23TrueJournalssee ya
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00:35:31*Arathis isn't in the WPS code anymore ^^
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00:38:15pixelmainteresting what code the old parser allowed though...
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00:52:38jimbobuki just got rockbox installed on my gigabeat... looks good so far.. can't believe doom works on it, crazy stuff... no sound but heck shows the potential... anyways it looks very basic at the moment, all plain text menus..
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00:53:20jimbobuki quite like it, and would want to be able to get back to it if need be, but how can i get it looking the best possible when i want to listen to music. Also i'd like to setup last.fm stuff where do I tweak that?
00:54:41stripwaxjumbobuk - in the settings menu, change the Theme. download new themes from the rockbox wiki or create your own
00:54:44scorchejimbobuk: you will want to read the manual...it explains that and much more
00:55:14jimbobukso the current view is just a basic theme? where is the manual?
00:56:43stripwaxjimbobuk - same place the rockbox files are. click the 'manual' link. http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
00:57:05jimbobukok, thanks...
00:57:30stripwaxand here's some themes http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16
00:58:04stripwax(some of these require features only available in unsupported builds however)
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00:58:35stripwaxoutties
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01:03:11jimbobukstripwax: thanks... unsupported builds, best to stay away from them, for a bit at least? any fave of the themes in how they perform?
01:03:28jimbobukthere is a coverflow type thing somewhere isn't there??
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01:03:57jimbobukdo you have a gigabeat, or anyone else who does? the original manual talks about scrolling but as far as i can gather the controls are only 5 buttons (4 directions, and a centre)
01:04:19jimbobukits just it talks about scrolling in the manual but i've never seen it work beyond moving into a region of a button and then working like holding it down.
01:05:55linuxstbI have a gigabeat, but installed Rockbox immediately - I've never opened the original manual.
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01:10:12jimbobuki know me neither, bar the original track on it whilst it charged at work
01:10:31jimbobuktake it there is no correct place to put music tracks on the hdd?
01:10:57scorcheif you mean that there is no restriction on where, then yes
01:11:09jimbobukwhere do you choose to put them?
01:11:25scorchei have a folder on the root that i neamed "Music"
01:11:28scorchenames
01:11:29jimbobukcool
01:11:30scorchenamed
01:11:38*scorche sighs
01:12:12jimbobukwhat are everyone's must have install plugins etc to get a good taste of the crazy flexability of it.. doom is great to just show ppl, sudoko actually plays quite well, any other standout one?
01:12:14jimbobuk(s)
01:13:01TrueJournalsI like jewels ;-)
01:17:01JdGordonTrueJournals: get your wps working?
01:18:15TrueJournalsYes I did
01:19:06TrueJournalsstripwax helped me figure out that I was only getting output from stdout when I needed to see the output from stderr
01:19:11jimbobukhmm, the hdd on finder on my mac is going a bit mad, made a directory and now there are two directories of the same name
01:19:21***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:19:36jimbobuka directory for music that is, album1, album2.. album2 has now made album1==album2 and they all have the same files in :(
01:21:09jimbobukperhaps its the long filenames, i'll try it via the command line next time
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01:24:04ArathisTrueJournals: Found another error in the wps. in the line where the clock is defined it should read "%cH:cM" not "%cH:Mc"
01:24:14jimbobukwhat are wps?
01:24:52TrueJournalsArathis: Right, forgot about that one...
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01:25:18TrueJournalsjimbobuk: WPS stands for While Playing Screen... A WPS will change what you see when you go to "Now Playing" from the root menu
01:25:32jimbobukahh ok
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01:27:46pixelmaArathis: but that's not entirely correct - it should be now "%cH:%cM" because every RTC tags gets its own "%c" now
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01:28:38ArathisTrueJournals: yeah, noticed that myself when testing the wps
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01:29:53ArathisI can't setup an arc-elf-cross environment so i'd need to run vmware to compile the newest uisimulator from cvs so i just plugged my player to the pc
01:30:53TrueJournalsArathis: I think you mean SVN... ;-)
01:31:04ArathisXD of course
01:31:31Arathisyou see I haven't checked out the source very often latly ;)
01:31:39TrueJournalsheh
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01:48:38scorchenew mail for Devcon-W...please read if you are planning on attending
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01:58:32TrueJournalsAnyone think they can help me get the Windows simulator compiling under Linux?
01:58:50TrueJournalsThe guide in the wiki... sucks...
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02:17:04jimbobukwhat is the format, size of files, format of files etc for getting album cover support in, i dont see a mention of it in the manual
02:17:27scorchebecause it is not in the official version
02:17:32scorcheit uses a patch
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02:18:14jimbobukahh
02:18:42jimbobukwill it become official eventually... cover art seems a good thing to compare against the stock ipods these days.
02:18:51jimbobukstarting to like it as is to be honest, it all just works nicely
02:19:16scorcheit isnt currently implemented as we would like it
02:19:29Soapjimbobuk: cover.bmp - no official size - WPS sets size - if you compile with the BMP resize patch you can store them as whatever size your heart desires, otherwise the need to be the size the WPS wants or smaller.
02:20:20scorchejimbobuk: expect this to change with http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/appinfo.html?csaid=D6BA9A838F43B9D8
02:20:31Soapcover.bmp in the directory of the song, so unless you have your music sorted by (at least) album it won't work as intended.
02:21:00jimbobukhmm, sounds like resize is a good idea tho i guess most would expect it at a similar size... larger the better i reckon as the gigabeat screen is asking for it, tho i like having a lot of info crammed on there.
02:21:33jimbobuki will organise by album dirs at least, may nest with artist as i do on pc normally, tho database view may make that redundant
02:21:36element_GSoap: I've drawn up a wiki page on your proposed "Seal of Approval" http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoapSealofApproval
02:21:51scorchehaha
02:21:59Soaphow evil of you, element...
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02:22:20element_Gyou like it?
02:22:21scorchei plan on having this be a topic of discussion at Devcon-W
02:22:24TrueJournalsThat is the greatest thing I have seen today
02:22:26Soapdo we _need_ to put my name in it? (Mind you - I don't care - I just fear the wrath of LL)
02:22:37scorchehaha...i find i quite amusing
02:23:00element_GI think that is reason enough to keep the name the way it is
02:23:14TrueJournalsAlthough - "must state which patches are required with appropriate FS#'s" might want to say "must state which patches are required with appropriate FS#'s or URLs" because not all patches are at FS
02:23:32element_Gah, nice ;)
02:24:33SoapThe wiki page is excellent, the only major Issue I feel we have yet to discuss is some methodology for expiring the seal when WPS code changes.
02:24:34element_Gcome to think of it the bit about unsupported builds should require a link too
02:24:35scorchenow we just need midkay to draw us up a "soap's Seal Of Approval" image stamp
02:24:41TrueJournalsAlso, point b at "must use proper filenaming" - I think you mean .bmp, not .cfg
02:24:50jimbobukis it setup to be flat output from first install.. not sure if there are some effects on, this track doesnt sound like i remember
02:24:57midkayhaha.
02:25:08Soapjimbobuk: should be flat as a board.
02:25:08jimbobukthe screen is well strange, without the light on you can't really see anything at all
02:25:08scorcheSoap: i added it to the list under agenda for Devcon-W
02:25:20Soaplol scorche
02:26:06Soapgood catch TrueJournals
02:26:29TrueJournalsAlso, I have a question... I want to make a script to automatically configure and build rockbox and a bootloader for my H10... The only thing I can't really figure out how to do is send input to the configure script... what would be the best way to go about doing this?
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02:28:01element_GSoap: I added the image that I sort of came up with for the seal to the wiki page
02:28:27TrueJournalslol
02:28:38SoapGod it's frickin huge!
02:28:43Soap;)
02:28:45scorcheand pixelated!
02:28:58element_Git's a prototype, a prototype!
02:29:24scorcheSoap: are you laughing as hard as i am about this?
02:29:34element_GI'm not endowed with godlike GIMP skills, nor have I tried inkscape yet
02:29:37SoapI think it needs done.
02:30:34pixelmaSeal Of APproval ;)
02:30:34element_Gnever thought of that.... ;)
02:30:54TrueJournalsTook me a second to get that...
02:31:25scorchehaha...me too
02:31:27TrueJournalsThat'd make it easier... then you could just have an image that said "SOAP"
02:31:36jimbobukSoap, thanks.. maybe its my ears, its sounds ok now... i turned it up a bit :)
02:31:42pixelmajust came to me mind when looking at the picture
02:31:44SoapI'm going downstairs. I can't stop laughing
02:31:52Soapelement_G: you're an evil bastard, and I love you.
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02:31:56jimbobuki take it that when formats support it, gapless playback just happens?
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02:32:03scorcheme either...and i am going upstairs =P
02:32:04Soapoh yes jimbobuk
02:32:07jimbobuknice
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02:32:38jimbobuki do wonder with playing flacs if its a good idea to increase some buffers somewhere, i read it when flicking that u could increase some buffer.. the anti skip thing... tbh i cant feel it spinning up too often
02:33:02jimbobuki just wonder if for larger files lack flac if its better to have it larger, or will rockbox be using as much as possible.
02:33:25SoapPS - the logo - at %25 and with the background changed from white to Rockbox blue to blend with the wiki background...and the yellow to "fight club soap pink" looks pretty tasty....
02:33:36scorcherockbox uses as much as possible with the other threads
02:34:23Soapthe FC pink being less important...
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02:34:34scorchegood movie though
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02:34:40jimbobukscorche: thanks
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02:35:20jimbobukthat google summer of code change for album art sounds neat.. i guess to switch unofficial versions of rockbox is a case of substituting (and first backing up) files in the .rockbox directory
02:35:45scorcheunless they require a different bootloader, yes
02:36:04jimbobukahh, figures
02:36:16element_GSoap: fight club soap FTW
02:36:56jimbobukthere is a version out somewhere that offers a form of album navigation using thumbnails like
02:37:01jimbobuka bit like cover flow, even.
02:37:35jimbobuki have to say congrats to the folks involved.. the little plugin demos make me itch to have a play with it, is developing them relatively straightforward
02:38:21jimbobukit pretty much blows everything else out of the water for what i like about music playback... navigation could be improved, but thats more down to the hardware not being as smooth as an ipod, tho i have to say i'm getting more used to the gigabeat controls, and they're not bad at all.
02:38:56scorchehow is the hardware in the gigabeeat "not as smooth" as the ipod?
02:39:01jimbobuki've enabled last.fm logging... what is needed to get this onto my account, i know of that .php page, which i presume you can even copy the script and install it on your own server
02:39:10jimbobukscorche: well just the scroll wheel really
02:39:36jimbobukand you can't half say that the stock ipod UI is pretty well done, and is intrinsically tied to the hardware its running on
02:39:56jimbobukagreed the headphone out, and power of the CPU in it seems to be pretty special
02:40:42scorcheactually, i hate the non-intuitiveness of the ipod UI
02:40:48scorcheand not sure what you mean by special
02:41:19Soapjimbobuk: I know of no "coverflow" verion of rockbox around.
02:41:19jimbobuki just wonder for the logging what the process is.. say i listen for a few days, and want to upload to last.fm... grab the log file, put it thorugh the uploader, get it on the site.. what do i then do, do i have to be sure i delete the log off the player for fear of it appending new items to the log and then resubmitting the old ones next time i upload
02:41:38jimbobukSoap: thanks... i thought i'd found it earlier today when searching for gigabeat scrolling on google
02:41:42Soapjimbobuk: there is a LastFM logger wiki page with multiple scripts and programs to sync your log outside the PHP script.
02:42:05jimbobukSoap: ahh sounds better, i'd rather not use a php script unless its the only option
02:42:24Soapjimbobuk: on windows might I suggest LogScrobbler - as it is the one I like, but there are plenty of options for all OSs
02:42:32jimbobukcan you listen for weeks and upload in a burst, is it something that tends to just work more than it doesn't?
02:42:53jimbobukSoap: you may indeed, on my mac atm, and will probably get a program for both
02:43:30SoapLast.FM won't take submissions dated prior to your last submission, so if you listen at home on your PC, and on your Gigabeat you will have issues unless you use a log submission program which will fake the time stamps on your Gigabeat submitted files.
02:43:43SoapI upload in weekly bursts.
02:44:23aliaskSeems silly to have that limitation
02:44:59jimbobukhmm my PC (before it died) was all setup with foobar doing the scrobbling, i'll probably try to get it sorted again
02:45:05Soapthey call it "spam protection" FWIW
02:45:43jimbobuktricky though, i like the idea of the timings being accurate if it takes the time off the rockbox player
02:45:57jimbobukdoes it give you an error failed to upload anything if a date clash like that occurs
02:46:14Soapdepends on what program you upload with.
02:46:34jimbobukit'd be good to go with normal times when possible, if fail cause PC has submitted something since then switch for that occurence on to what, faking it as being the time you upload?
02:46:43Soaptake that back - I don't _know_ of a program which will detect time clashes for you - I know how to manually check for time clashes with LogScrobbler.
02:47:03jimbobukdoes it have to go back the length of time of the tracks and make it like you've listened to all the tracks submitted, ending roughly at the time you started submitted.. when faking the times
02:47:08SoapI believe they fake by taking current time and working backwards
02:47:12jimbobukyeah
02:47:15jimbobukmakes sense
02:47:47jimbobukhmm... tempting to have a new last.fm id for portable only but thats a bit against the point of it really
02:47:51Soapwhich is, again I believe, how they fake it for the Rockbox players w/o a real-time-clock onboard.
02:48:10Soapnow I AM going downstairs.
02:48:50element_GSoap: new image on the wiki, resized and recolored
02:52:48element_Gals added another rule to the page: all files must be on the wiki
02:54:58jimbobuki take it new targets are going to be picked up as demand dictates... i think after adapting to this player i'd struggle to go back to a normal one.. what if the battery died :O
02:55:19scorcheactually, no
02:55:22jimbobukthemes go in .rockbox ?
02:55:57scorchenew targets happen if people come forward with the time, capability, dedication , and the actual unit to port it
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02:56:10scorchedemand has nothing to do with it
02:56:36jimbobukscorche: oh for sure, i can imagine it being a fairly mammoth task. I'm just saying imagine a world in a few years when all the gigabeats and other players are starting to die
02:57:07scorchejimbobuk: the archos units are still around and some are over 6 years old
02:57:31webguest50hi would like to know if anybody can tell me what types of word documents rockbox can read???
02:57:38jimbobukjust the batterys really with loads of use.. i guess you'd always be able to fallback to being permanently plugged in.
02:57:46webguest50can it read the notepad ones?
02:58:01jimbobuki read in the manual that it likes .txt files
02:58:08jimbobukdunno about any others, .rtf ?
02:58:15jimbobuk^^ webguest50
02:58:17webguest50oh
02:58:38webguest50can it read the ones from notepad???
02:58:39scorchehttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1740008.3.6
02:58:56webguest50is the link for me?
02:59:05jimbobukwebguest50: i'm sure it will.. notepad is just .txt files
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02:59:11jimbobukstandard ASCII
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02:59:40webguest50oh ok thanks....so i just save them to my ipod right?
02:59:44scorcheascii doesnt necessarily mean .txt
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03:00:36jimbobukscorche: i guess not
03:00:58webguest50thanks!!!
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03:04:09jimbobukhmm, i can't see the .logscrobbler file in ~/, or ~/.rockbox
03:06:13jimbobukby reboot they just me power off, and on again.. not a battery off/on switch do they?
03:08:42Soapelement_G: on all files must be on the wiki - I had forgotten about that - but very important. Off-site hosting of WPSs is bad bad bad.
03:11:10element_GSoap: ....what about the new image?
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03:21:29jimbobukam i missing something with the last.fm option then? no file to be seen at the moment
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03:25:05pixelmajimbobuk: did you restart your player after enabling last.fm log? Also iirc logging the song that is played first is broken - did you read the wiki page about it?
03:25:16jimbobuki am doing yeah
03:25:22jimbobukjust been getting themes too tho
03:25:35jimbobukwhich bizarely seem to show unknown track at the moment
03:25:41jimbobuktrackname/artist etc
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03:33:18Soapelement_G: I haven't looked yet, bbl
03:33:24aliaskelement_G: The antialiasing on the soap icon looks dodgy, are you using layers for the icon in gimp at all?
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03:45:13MonkeyTamerI have an interesting quirk with my playlist; when I insert a shuffled playlist, when a random song comes up, every song with the same title will also come right after
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03:46:30MonkeyTamerAt first I had disregarded this nuance, but this is not the first time. I just checked to see if it would happen, and three songs of the same name came up in order, followed by another pair of songs of the same title
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03:51:21jimbobuklaters guys, thanks for your help
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03:57:11jimbobukquickly, if anyone is still here, how do i just add the selected album to my current playlist.. i thought it was A but that seems to now just switch to WPS screen
03:57:25jimbobukjust so i know how to cue up albums, or start an album playing straight away
03:57:34aliaskjimbobuk: Using folder view?
03:57:39jimbobukeither
03:57:40jimbobukbut database
03:57:44jimbobukat the moment
03:58:18aliaskNot sure if it works with database, but try holding select on the album "folder" and going to the playlist option, and selecting "insert"
03:59:33jimbobukhmm, error accessing playlist file
03:59:34jimbobukeek
03:59:49aliaskInteresting...
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04:00:13aliaskLooks like you've found a bug, it definitely shouldn't be doing that.
04:00:17jimbobukgot in a bit of a mess trying to play with that before, it was showing null in the playing window
04:00:22jimbobuku r right with context
04:00:24jimbobukrebooting it
04:00:26jimbobuktrying again
04:00:53jimbobukhmm reboot aint helped
04:01:00jimbobukplaylist file seems borked
04:02:01aliaskThat's odd. I just tried exactly what you just did in the simulator and it worked fine...
04:02:21aliaskTry deleting the playlist_control file in .rockbox
04:02:39jimbobuki tried adding a file directly going to now playing and its now locked up
04:02:46jimbobuki can't turn it off holding power down
04:03:02jimbobukdont want to do the battery switch as i fear it may bork the hdd if its accesing it
04:03:22jimbobukits got my trackname atm, and then (root)(root) after it.. i'm in a theme, maybe thats borked it
04:03:33aliask"in a theme"?
04:03:40jimbobuki'd just selected a theme to try
04:03:46aliaskAh
04:03:47jimbobukdunno if they've all installed properly
04:03:52jimbobukhow can i shut it down?
04:03:54aliaskThat shouldn't matter
04:03:54jimbobuksafel
04:04:04jimbobuksafely
04:04:50aliaskIf it's locked up completely then i'd say it's likely not writing to the hdd, so it should be safe enough to use the battery switch.
04:05:14jimbobukif i put it to the ear i can hear the hdd is spinning
04:05:18jimbobukno clicks tho i gues
04:05:27jimbobukthank god for a hard switch.. if it comes back anyways
04:05:35aliaskSpinning is ok, the head will be parked
04:06:01aliaskTry deleting the playlist_control file before trying to play any music again.
04:08:36jimbobukhmm well its back up and playing ok...
04:08:42jimbobuki will try that as it still says error
04:08:51jimbobukperhaps its characters in the meta of the files i'm trying to play?
04:08:57jimbobukits a bit late for me, need to sleep
04:09:45aliaskThe playlist control file doesn't store any metadata
04:10:07aliaskMight want to save the file first to let some devs look at it
04:11:27jimbobukok done it
04:11:32jimbobukwill delete it
04:11:35jimbobuklooks ok to me
04:12:30aliaskThe file itself looks ok?
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04:14:43jimbobukthe contents
04:14:50jimbobuknuked, rebooted
04:14:54jimbobukadded same album
04:15:01jimbobuklooked at playlist (its playing it now)
04:15:13aliaskSo it worked?
04:15:13jimbobukand the first few tracks are ok the later ones are messed up
04:15:21jimbobuk(ERR)
04:15:37jimbobukdunno if its too long or something
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04:15:42jimbobuki gotta go sleep
04:15:46aliaskRighto
04:15:48jimbobukwill look into it, bit of a problem
04:15:52aliaskTis.
04:15:59jimbobukperhaps something to do with the flac files
04:16:03jimbobukthey're playing fine tho
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04:16:19jimbobukanyways to be continued :)
04:16:28jimbobuki did just turn on runtime logging for database usage
04:17:03jimbobukinteresting, perhaps some files are corrupt... it just skipped over some..
04:17:06jimbobukanyways thanks, laters
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04:21:45capoive got a prob with rockbox for sansa
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04:25:44aliaskcapo: What's up?
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04:40:46caposo rockbox has been working great ever since i installed it on the release. like a week ago i did a lot of things at once. i put in the improvement patch for mpegplayer, album art, and i got a new theme.
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04:42:34caponow when i go to the database and try to go by album or artist, it says 'A to Z', and when i go there, there's nothing there. the tracks are still in the tracks part of the database, and they play, but they arent separated by album/artist anymore. also, whenever i try to play games, roms, or videos, it says 'incompatible version'
04:44:20aliaskcapo: The second half of the problem is due to having a different version of rockbox than the plugins are expecting. You need to update ALL files when running a patched build, (including the plugin files)
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04:46:53capookay, so that's why mpegplayer's not working too?
04:47:10aliaskYes
04:47:51aliaskI have no idea about the database problem though
04:47:58capookay, thanks for the help
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04:52:19HappenstanceAccursed Apple and their planned obsolescence have prevented me from installing Rockbox on to my iPod mini... it seems I cannot place data on it, nor any method I have attempted to perform has seemed to be effective in remedying the problem.
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04:57:07MonkeyTamerI keep getting an "error accessing playlist file" message
04:58:13SoapHappenstance: have you booted it into disk mode?
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04:59:33MonkeyTamerI tried searching for information, but on my Gigabeat, after trying to reset settings, using clean builds, rebuilding my database... no luck
04:59:57Soaprockbox made playlist?
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14:44:52JdGordonjhMikeS: been listening for the last 40min or so(?) and i havnnt noticed any audio swapping..
14:45:31jhMikeSJdGordon: that just...odd, I can't even imagine right now why it should have any effect there
14:45:33preglowwhy wouldn't swpb work right?
14:45:43jhMikeSmaybe it's broken on PP5020?
14:45:53JdGordonpreglow: its broken with svn on the sansa...
14:45:58preglowsounds thoroughly weird, though
14:46:06preglowthe arm core is just something they get from arm and synthesise from that
14:46:17preglowand all the other byte sized instructions work fine, so shouldn't be a cache issue
14:46:31jhMikeSpreglow: I've not a clue, the memory implementation could be botched perhaps
14:46:50preglowwell, devising some kind of test to see if it's truly broken would be very helpful
14:47:20JdGordonhey www s back :)
14:47:23jhMikeSEasy, change the swpb to swp in test_and_set
14:47:46preglowthat's still not a very conclusive test
14:47:51preglowin itself, i mean
14:50:44Bagderserver is back up
14:51:11JdGordonwas that the move? or a problem?
14:51:21Bagderit was a problem with the monthly reboot
14:51:29Bagderlilo complained and stopped
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14:52:04Bagderzagor is there right now poking on it
14:52:10jhMikeSwell, after boot you've got a cop only running once per second, otherwise sleeping...unless mpegplayer is running. Why should just adding a stupid spinlock to the scheduler effect it that way when the cores will really never touch each other? On top of that, it's not a deadlock error because the other duals work just fine.
14:52:30linuxstbBagder: Has the server move to a different location happened yet?
14:52:39Bagdernope, that happens later this week
14:52:48JdGordonjhMikeS: maybe you sped up the switching which solved the problem?
14:52:54Bagderand it is the other server (build, svn etc)
14:52:57preglowbikey time
14:53:36jhMikeSJdGordon: the theory of cache flushing doesn't seem valid now anyway
14:53:38JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoapSealofApproval <- lol
14:54:18jhMikeSI'm running with default WPS which used to swap like nuts because of peakmeters
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14:59:48jhMikeSthose iPods seem a bit pricey, even on ebay
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15:01:32jhMikeSis this the troublesome model: http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-IPOD-Photo-40GB-Color-MP3-Player-White-M9585LL-A_W0QQitemZ260113271406QQihZ016QQcategoryZ90964QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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15:04:46jhMikeSfunny, this all started with me getting an x5 for x-mas because I said "no iPod, please"...and now the circle is complete :P
15:05:41jhMikeSand look at what just wanting gapless playback on x5 got me into ...
15:06:40ender`my sister was looking for a portable player last week, and i gave her a few suggestions (none of them ipod). then she went and bough an ipod mini 6GB ("because it was only 150eur"), and the next thing she comes to me asking what's this stupid itunes business
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15:08:03*jhMikeS needs to know for sure if that ebay link is the correct model or someone has got to kindly hook him up with the right model iPod
15:08:46Nico_PjhMikeS: which one do you need ?
15:09:07linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, that's a troublesome one.
15:09:17ender`she's a happy rockbox user now (though for some reason ipodpatcher didn't want to detect her ipod on her computer, but it worked fine in mine)
15:09:27jhMikeSNico_P: one with a PP5020
15:10:01*Nico_P introduced his mother to rockbox today :)
15:10:57jhMikeSthe patch seems to go over just fine on everything else and I can't ask linuxstb to test every minute change needed to track the problem
15:11:38linuxstbjhMikeS: If I had the time, I would, but I can't at the moment...
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15:14:45jhMikeSlinuxstb: it's cool...putting through dozens of tweaks this way can just be very frustrating and limits my ability to experiment fastly
15:15:46jhMikeSIt is interesting that disabling interrupts all the time actually got it farther
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15:24:30lowlightjhMikeS: iriver h10 has a pp5020 too
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15:25:44lowlightsaw the 20gig clearanced at staples a couple of weeks ago
15:27:41jhMikeSlowlight: really, I wonder if it would behave and differently, which might say something if so
15:28:40lowlightask barrywardell to test. he did the h10 port.
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15:57:39*jhMikeS figured out the deal with channel swapping - disabling the IRQs in the queues all the time causes it and since the patch stops that it becomes rare
15:58:41jhMikeSputting that back in with the patch applied makes it return
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17:30:50intgrAny ideas how could I contact Nicholas Sanders (from the wiki)?
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17:43:52amiconn_Bagder: around?
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17:47:45amiconnjhMikeS: Re the channel swapping - do you have an idea why disabling IRQs makes that happen?
17:47:50amiconnAfaiu the DAC is fed from the FIQ, which doesn't get disabled...
17:48:29amiconnAnd, different topic, you have in fact 2 options if you want PP5020 but not ipod: either get a H10, or pick up and finish one of linuxstb's started-and-abandoned ports... the Tatung Elio
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17:50:10*linuxstb prefers the term "waiting patiently for linuxstb to have some free time" instead of "abandoned"...
17:50:16amiconnjhMikeS: Did you get my last lines?
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18:01:57amiconnlinuxstb: It looks like abandoned to me given how many other things in rockbox you did since you added the Elio
18:03:25amiconnPersonally, when doing a new port (like the Ondio or the M5), it has top priority for me over any other rockbox work. Of course you might set different priorities...
18:04:16amiconnThere's also the prepared AV3xx...
18:07:03jhMikeSamiconn: I'll look in the log
18:08:18Bagderamiconn: here now for a short while
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18:09:03jhMikeSwell, I have no idea why it makes it happen but it affects it
18:09:29amiconnBagder: The list of supported models should probably be fixed. It read <bold>Company:</bold> models... for all companies except Cowon
18:09:50Bagderindeed
18:09:57jhMikeSI just figured out the LCD chip in the Sansa is a Renesas chip. I even have it running with inverted colors. :)
18:10:05amiconnI.e. the line for iaudios should read Cowon: iAudio X5 (including X5V and X5L), iAudio M5 (including M5L)
18:10:33amiconnI would fix it myself but the front page still seems to not use the svn www module :(
18:10:51jhMikeSmaybe everyone knew that already though :P
18:11:50amiconnjhMikeS: Which one?
18:12:08*amiconn thought the sansa uses some kind of dma for lcd updates... ?
18:12:12jhMikeSI'm searching datasheet to try and match it, but the REV bit is the same
18:12:40jhMikeSI suppose we could run the x5 and H300 and such with a constant running DMA and a buffer too
18:13:59amiconnX5 can't use DMA unless we're going for a 32 bit framebuffer
18:14:00jhMikeSAs soon as I looked at that startup it seemed a bit familiar
18:14:20jhMikeSActually I have an idea of converting pixels in parallel with DMA transfer using a line buffer
18:14:22amiconnAnd H300 already uses DMA updates
18:14:43amiconn(for ordinary updates, not for the yuv stuff)
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18:14:55jhMikeSbut couldn't you do it with another framebuffer and keep DMA going constantly so that updates are async?
18:15:02amiconnBut I had an idea how to speed up yuv on H300 and X5 a bit more
18:15:33amiconnConstant dma would only work when always transferring the whole framebuffer, which is a waste
18:16:18jhMikeSI think it can speed up if we can do things in parallel for sure, transfer a line to LCD and at the same time convert the pixel format in a second line buffer
18:16:19amiconnAsync updates also create problems
18:17:51amiconnThe idea to speed up yuv on X5 and H300 is as follow: Switch LCD write direction to vertical (!) and limit it to 2 pixels per "line" (which is actually a column because of the switch)
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18:18:22amiconnThis way all 4 pixels with the same chroma are written in sequences, saving the second chroma calculation
18:19:11jhMikeSyes, that could even be employed well on gigabeat and sansa
18:19:58jhMikeSit would increase the access locality as well
18:20:25amiconnyes. Otoh it requires an extra pointer, because both luma rows need to be accessed in the same loop
18:20:51jhMikeSyeah, but CF has 4 accums to store data in
18:22:35amiconnCurrent coldfire yuv code uses 3 of them (one each for R, G and B)
18:22:55amiconnThe advantage is that the EMAC does the clipping for free
18:24:17jhMikeSyeah, that's a nice little thing, wish we had ARMv5
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18:47:52PimpdaddypayneIs it possible to make an ipod a startup disk?
18:48:44ender`you mean boot a PC OS from an ipod?
18:48:57Pimpdaddypayneyes
18:49:08ender`depends on your BIOS, but should work
18:51:16intgrIt's a shame that so few BIOSes support booting off USB.
18:52:35PimpdaddypayneSomeone told me they were able to record the "sounds" their television remote's IR put out...and play them back through their ipod, to turn their television on and off
18:52:43intgrTechnically, every USB mass storage device can be booted off of, but very few computers are capable of it.
18:53:04intgrHaha, remote controls don't even work with sound.
18:53:32spiorfPimpdaddypayne, i recorded the ir from the remote, but for playback i would need a ir led
18:53:35ender`i'm having a problem with certain HP server that's all to happy to boot off usb
18:54:01ender`plug usb pendrive/disk drive/mp3 player in, reboot, and it'll try to boot off it
18:54:06intgrHehe.
18:54:12Pimpdaddypaynehe said he followed this tutorial and it worked http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2004/10/28/ipoditunes_hcks.html?page=1
18:54:13spiorfmaybe plugging one in the headphone hole would work
18:54:27ender`and you can't prevent that at all, unless you completely disable USB
18:55:02intgrPimpdaddypayne: Ahh, it will work with a set of IR leds, yeah.
18:55:04spiorfPimpdaddypayne, in fact he has a ir led plugged in the headphone hole
18:55:38PimpdaddypayneThat is very bad ass. I should build something like that, and change the channels at walmart all day
18:55:55intgrIndeed. :)
18:56:04ender`http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/884f/ ?
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18:59:03GRaTThas anybody reported end of month date issues
18:59:20GRaTTI am using sansa and cannot set the date to the end of any month
18:59:46GRaTTtried April 12 build and new svn all the same.
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19:02:20GRaTTanybody here
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19:04:11toffe82Pimpdaddypayne: look at this for a remote, just write a plugin and build an interface : http://www.codeproject.com/netcf/PocketBeamer.asp
19:05:49GRaTTover at anyhtingbutipod others have reported april 30 date issues with patched builds
19:06:17GRaTTI cannot set any end of month date with clean svn build
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19:10:11Pimpdaddypaynethat's all you gotta do?
19:10:17Pimpdaddypaynewrite a plugin and build the interface? :P
19:12:16intgrWell what did you expect? :)
19:12:25PimpdaddypayneVery simple
19:12:28Pimpdaddypayneonly 2 steps heh
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19:14:02toffe82yes simple ;)
19:14:13Pimpdaddypaynesteal underpants ......... profit
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19:21:11GRaTTany sansa users here
19:21:53Bagderwhy?
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19:25:31Juice^seems like there have been made a change in rockbox that makes the sansas video driver unstable
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19:29:46GRaTTwondering if anybody has had end of month date setting issues
19:32:03GRaTTNO body else has problems setting the date to the last day of the month?
19:33:50GRaTTBagder: I was wondering if setting last day of month is only a problem on sansa
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19:41:11peturGRaTT: what's the problem then?
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19:44:24GRaTTI am unable to set the date to the end of any month. settings are not accepted.
19:44:24Nico_PGRaTT: are you the one who reported http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7096 ?
19:44:53GRaTTeven the calendar showed up odd April 30. May came up but cursor was on day before may 01.
19:46:01GRaTTNico_P: no I did not see this. I have been trying with a few buidls to see if this is consistant
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19:46:49Nico_PGRaTT: you have problems in the date/time settings screen ?
19:47:03peturworks fine on h300
19:47:33Nico_Pworks fine on my gigabeat too... I just set the date to may 31st without a problem and it displays in the WPS too
19:47:35GRaTTNico_P: yes if i try to set the date to the last day of any month it reverts to the default date and 00:00:00
19:48:08Nico_PGRaTT: It appears to be a problem in the sansa RTC driver
19:49:24GRaTTNico_P: OK as long as it is known. I was poking around but unable to find where to begin a fix.
19:49:50GRaTTgotta go thanks for listening
19:49:54GRaTTbye
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20:02:45webguest73Hi
20:04:03Nico_Pwebguest73: hi
20:05:33webguest73A question, I'm trying to create wps's for rockbox on ipod 4g
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20:15:10*pixelma wonders what the question is ;)
20:17:22peturafter 10 minutes?
20:17:45markunwebguest73: so what is the question?
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20:23:23Domonokycomment for SoapsSealofApproval: the themes should contain a licence (GPL or something) for the theme and Graphics ..
20:23:39peturDomonoky: edit wiki ;)
20:25:38Domonokydone :-)
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20:32:21aldoHi World
20:33:15markunhi aldo
20:33:54markunwhat brings you here?
20:34:37aldohi there,
20:34:54aldojust getting into rockbox culture
20:35:07aldojust added to my iPod 4g
20:35:15markungreat
20:35:32aldotrying to create wps's
20:35:32markununfortunately the ipods are not the best supported rockbox targets
20:35:52aldoit works pretty nice though
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20:36:27markunyes, good enough I guess
20:36:55aldowhat are the cons for ipod/rockbox?
20:37:26Domonokybad battery life..
20:37:27markunreduced runtime
20:37:49markunabout half of what you get with apple's firmware I believe
20:37:54aldoyep, i've noticed that
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20:39:53aldowhat are you goys up to lately?
20:40:01aldoguys
20:41:43markungetting ready for the Developer's Conference and Google's Summer of Code
20:42:02aldowhere is gonne be?
20:42:06Domonokywhen is official start of GSoc ?
20:42:39intgrWhenever you can find the time, I guess.
20:42:55intgrThe projects have officially been acknowledged, AFAIK.
20:43:19markunDomonoky: 28th of may I think
20:43:29Domonokyokey, thx markun
20:43:33markunaldo: Stokholm, but also one in the USA
20:43:51aldonice
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20:45:41markunI emailed analog.com to ask which DAPs are using their Blackfin CPU, they replied to me that I could make my own and sell it with rockbox :)
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20:49:33aldomarkun:what is your project for GSOC?
20:50:19markunaldo: I will be mentoring the real-time text-to-speech task
20:51:38aldomarkun:who are you working for?
20:51:48markunwhat do you mean?
20:52:13markunah, the project is rockbox (of course)
20:52:46aldoI see a long list of mentoring organizations in SGoc web page
20:53:06aldojust wandering which one was yours
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20:53:45markunI thought your question "what are you goys up to lately?" was rockbox specific
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20:54:17markunso I didn't think I had to mention the GSoC project
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20:57:42GRaTTI just updated using a sansa and now after starting the screen goes blank. I need to press a button to see display.
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20:58:01GRaTTthe button press activates the backlight and does the button action
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20:58:25GRaTTeven though i have it set to only turn on the backlight on first button press
20:58:49JerryLangeHow do i "unsubscribe from a flyspray patch?
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21:01:24oboVisit the task page, make sure you're logged in, and click on "Stop watching this task"
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21:04:04oboThe history tab will show you which accounts are watching which tasks... I don't know what the recovery procedure is though.
21:04:36Hilikushey guys, i have a question about the sim, it says that anything in the archos dir is like the root directory in my player, can i that way update rockbox to use my patched build or to use a patched build you have to compile the sim directly with it?
21:04:57Hilikusbasically just replacing .rockbox inside archos
21:05:00markunyou have to compile
21:05:05Hilikus:S
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21:05:53Hilikusfor some reason the sim that i build doesnt behave the same as my actual player, in the sim a load a wps and it doesnt show the custom background, but in my player it does, any ideas why could that be
21:07:01JerryLangei thought of all the user names i could think of to send a password recovery thing but none of em worked. lets hope im not watching that patch anymore.
21:07:05JerryLangehow old is your sim?
21:07:27Hilikusi compiled it yesterday, and its the coded was checked out like 5 days ago
21:07:46Hilikusits the same code i used to build my normal rockbox for my player
21:07:52Hilikusthis is in linux
21:09:50Hilikusthe problem is its supposed to be a cover art wps, i patched the build and it my player it doesnt show the cover art so i tried to use the sim and in the sim it doesnt even show the background
21:10:05GRaTTadded bug report fs# 7097: Sansa unable to SET last day of any month
21:10:09Hilikusbackground image that is, it does use the background color
21:11:03Hilikusim pretty sure its the wps file but i want to be able to check and play with it in a sim
21:12:14Hilikusthe theme is kind of old and ive read about a lot of problems with the variables used in the wps file
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21:13:54pixelmaand you are sure that the background image is in the correct place too in your sim?
21:14:37intgrRace conditions from different timing characteristics?
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21:26:29Hilikusyes, i do the same thing i did in my player, unzip the wps file in .rockbox so the structure is preserved and the bg image goes to the right directory, i cant remembet the name, backhead or something with back
21:26:59Hilikusbackdrop
21:27:32Hilikusis there a way to kind of debug wps?
21:28:00Domonokyi think the sim gives debug output for wps
21:28:18Hilikuswhere?
21:28:29Domonokyi think there is a commandline switch to acivate it, forgot the name..
21:28:40Hilikusok, im going to look it up
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21:29:19Domonokyits −−debugwps
21:29:27tucozpixelma, around?
21:29:38Hilikusnice, thanks
21:29:51DomonokyHilikus: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070501 at the beginning of the log ..
21:30:04Hilikuslast question, how do i build my sim for windows? i build it in linux and obviously it only works in linux
21:30:23Hilikusthanks Domonoky
21:30:45Domonokyyou have to crosscompile, with minggw ?
21:31:04Domonokyi dont know how to do it, but its possible :-)
21:31:25Hilikusnah its ok, ill use the sim in linux only, thats where i build rockbox anyway
21:31:36pixelmatucoz: yes I am
21:32:05tucozknow of a working pastebin?
21:32:30pixelmaI only know pastebin.ca
21:32:43Hilikushow can i search for stuff in the wiki!! i never find documents that i know are there, like the cover art entry, i go to rockbox.org/wiki/docsIndex and its not there
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21:33:21DomonokyHilikus: use the search link at the top..
21:33:22Hilikusthats the only index of the wiki i know if
21:33:32Domonokyhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch
21:33:57Hilikusmmm i always thought that was for the site, not the wiki, sorry
21:34:17tucozpixelma, could you take a look at this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/40621
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21:35:33pixelmawill take a look
21:37:10tucozThe first mention of e.g. files and database is just a brief mentioning of them. but i am not sure
21:37:53Hilikusoh wait! whats the differente between backdrops and background in a theme??
21:39:52pixelmatucoz: my first thought when reading the first idea is that subchapters (and their numbers) can get quit confusing - for example in the plugin section
21:41:21tucozi think i agree :)
21:41:47pixelmaHilikus: the backdrop is used for everything (menus, etc.). You can specify a background for your wps only with a wps-tag. This image must be stored in your wps's image folder
21:42:09Hilikusohhhh that i didnt know, i thought they were the same thing
21:42:29tucozmaybe just start a wikipage where we can work with a possible restructure and end up with something eventually
21:42:32Hilikusthat helps me troubleshooting my problem, thanks!
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21:44:07pixelmatucoz: that's a good idea
21:45:05tucozi'll try and be a little more involved from now on then
21:45:12tucozbbl
21:45:21pixelmanice
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22:03:06Hilikushey, %xl according to the wiki is relative to .rockbox\ but all the wps ive found have the images in .rockbox\wps\<nameOfTheTheme> and the .wps files specify %xl with just a filename, which makes me believe that its looking for them in .rockbox, what is wrong with my logic??
22:04:37bluebrotherthe image tags loook in /.rockbox/wps/<nameofwps>
22:04:59webguest29hey , i got a terrible problem .... accidently reset the font colo and now i cannot see anything what should i do?
22:05:22Pimpdaddypaynei wonder if re-installing rockbox would fix that?
22:05:27Pimpdaddypayneunzipping the rockbox.zip again
22:05:39Hilikus%xl|n|filename|x|y| −−-> filename = filename (relative to /.rockbox/ and including .bmp)
22:05:40GodEater_webguest29: which DAP ?
22:05:54webguest29DAP???
22:05:59Hilikusthats what the wiki says bluebrother, is it wrong?
22:06:13bluebrotherHilikus, no, that's the way it is intended to work
22:06:22webguest29Download accelerator plus?
22:06:28bluebrotherwebguest29, Digital Audio Player
22:06:44webguest29dunno wat that is
22:06:44Hilikusbut you say it looks in /.rockbox/wps not /.rockbox/
22:06:59webguest29its jsut the letters dissapear in the backgrond pic
22:07:03bluebrothersolution 1: remove /.rockbox/config.cfg in disk mode and reboot
22:07:20bluebrothersolution 2: reset the settings by pressing the apropriate button upon boot.
22:07:30bluebrotherthat button is dependend on the type of player
22:07:41webguest29ipod videp
22:07:44webguest296g
22:07:48webguest295g
22:07:54Pimpdaddypayne6gig! woot
22:07:56webguest2960gb
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22:08:38webguest29as i remember there is a file that automatically updates to the newest rockbox version right?
22:08:43bluebrotherHilikus, that %xl line you gave looks for /.rockbox/wps/<wpsbasename>/filename
22:09:08bluebrotherwebguest29, how should rockbox be able updating itself without a net connection? Or what do you mean?
22:09:25webguest29throuigh the com
22:09:38webguest29auutoupdater orseomthing?
22:09:51bluebrotherHilikus, the wiki is a bit outdated −− the documentation effort concentrated on the manual recently
22:10:00bluebrotherwebguest29, how should this work?
22:10:23Hilikusok, i got it, i still think the wiki is wrong, if you tell me just a filename without a full path (file.bmp) and tell me its relative to c:\ i assume its looking for (full path) c:\file.bmp
22:10:37webguest29as i remmembered its something like a bat file then it opens in cmd
22:10:40Hilikusthanks a lot bluebrother
22:10:55bluebrotherwhat is the wiki page name? It might be wrong.
22:11:03Hilikushttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
22:11:54bluebrotherthe wiki is wrong
22:12:18Hilikusok, thanks
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22:13:13bluebrotherbut the manual is wrong on that too.
22:13:35webguest29how can i solve my font problem?
22:14:06Hilikusi thought i had figured out why a theme wasnt showing the images :(
22:14:35Hilikuswebguest29 i think someone answered you already
22:14:47bluebrotherHilikus, you could build the simulator and run it with the −−debugwps switch. That shows a lot debugging information about the wps
22:15:11webguest29solution 1: remove /.rockbox/config.cfg in disk mode and reboot and solution 2: reset the settings by pressing the apropriate button upon boot.
22:15:41webguest29when u mean remove u mean just delete it? btw any defects on my ipod video?
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22:17:40bluebrotherreboot the ipod. When the backlight comes up (apple logo is still shown) enable the hold key
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22:17:56bluebrothera splash "cleared" appears and all settings are reset to the defaults.
22:18:59bluebrotheryou might want to just remove the color setting line from the file /.rockbox/config.cfg in disk mode as that doesn't reset all settings
22:19:05webguest29umm its kinda hard to exaplin but i kinda got the ipod loader (working)for my ipod linux(does not work) does the hold button work?
22:19:29bluebrotherthe ipod has a hardware hold button. I think it's at the top of the ipod
22:19:40bluebrotherat least it's at the top of my ipod, don't know about the 5G
22:19:53bluebrotherand, are you using IPL's bootloader?
22:20:12thegeekit's at the top left
22:20:16thegeekon my 5.5G
22:20:20webguest29yea
22:20:42bluebrotherthe manual has an image describing the positions of the buttons including the hold switch
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22:21:04webguest29umm is there a safer way
22:21:13webguest29like the cfg file
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22:22:40bluebrotherI really don't understand your problem. You have two options, and none is unsafe. It will just reset the settings
22:22:56bluebrotherso how could there be a "safer" way?
22:23:02webguest29i got 3 acrually
22:24:04webguest29i'll stick with this solution 1: remove /.rockbox/config.cfg in disk mode and reboot
22:24:29Bagderor just edit out the stuff you want to remove
22:24:40webguest29edit?
22:24:46Bagderedit
22:24:58webguest29i mean wat u mean by edit
22:25:19peturchange the cfg file
22:25:22EbErTopen it up with your friendly text edit or notepad :)
22:25:34bluebrother"edit" means "edit". What else should it mean?
22:25:44Bagderif you don't know what edit a file means, then I won't say much more
22:25:56webguest29umm edit the cfg file on my .rockbox root?
22:26:17*ender` yawns
22:26:46*petur waits until ender` quits and hopes he'll have a good quitmsg
22:26:58webguest29rofl
22:27:04ender`heh, you'll wait for that :)
22:27:14bluebrotherwebguest29, I already gave you the exact path of the file you need to edit. Of course this is relative to your player as the configuration of the player unsurprisingly isn't saved on your PC but on the player itself
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22:28:50webguest29so i just delete it and everythings fine?
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22:30:58bluebrotherI already answered that question.
22:31:22webguest29ok great thx workin
22:31:51webguest29but i bisted my ipod middlebutton lol
22:32:02webguest29busted*
22:32:48webguest29how can i enter rockbox ithout rebootin the ipod
22:34:02bluebrotherthe Rockbox bootloader loads Rockbox. That's the default.
22:34:20bluebrotherand you can't change that order (except if you change it in the source code and recompiler yourself)
22:34:55EbErTif you can't use the middle button, thats no good
22:35:04EbErTcan't boot back to original firmware
22:35:30Hilikusoh man, you guys are very patient
22:35:33EbErTbrowse through the manual before you get confused tho, i had to
22:35:49bluebrotherthe current bootloader uses the hold key to load AppleOS
22:35:54ender`oh, is the rockbox project in need of any more build servers?
22:36:02webguest29ahhh crap ....
22:36:14webguest29so there isn't any other ption?
22:36:25webguest29option*
22:36:29bluebrotherthan what? Rockbox _is_ loaded as default.
22:36:46TrueJournalsender`: I'm pretty sure they could always use more build servers
22:36:56bluebrotherif you use a different bootloader than our official one don't ask, we only support our own bootloader
22:37:33webguest29umm ok ..... wat bootlader u r using?
22:37:46Hilikushey how can people help the project? i am a programmer and i would be willing to help
22:37:54bluebrotherno, the question is: what bootloader are _you_ using.
22:38:06bluebrotherwe support ONLY the official Rockbox bootloader.
22:38:12ender`i've got an E4400 in my fileserver, and i'm pretty sure the CPU is underused
22:38:15BagderHilikus: find a problem, fix it, post the patch!
22:38:22webguest29ok i amusing the ipl loader now but i can change it
22:38:44bluebrotherwe don't support the IPL bootloader. Use ours or ask the guys who wrote the IPL loader.
22:38:59bluebrotherHilikus, you could also help with the manual if you like to.
22:39:05webguest29any link where i can download it
22:39:06Hilikusso the patch system is how it work eh? i thought patches were only unofficial features like, i want rockbox to do my homework and stuff like that
22:39:28bluebrotherwebguest29, read the manual. It has the official way of installing Rockbox, and that includes the official files.
22:39:32BagderHilikus: the patch tracker is where non-committers submit their work
22:39:41Bagdergood or bad, big or small
22:40:01Hilikusi dont know, i took a course in techincal writing but english is not my first language :S
22:40:12Hilikusok i see
22:40:29webguest29if i wana update my rockbox then i gotta remove all the old files then there is 1 more thing i gotta do as i can remember
22:40:29bluebrotherHilikus, no, patches are the way to submit changes. Some create unofficial builds from that (including patches that won't get integrated into svn because of some reasons)
22:41:02bluebrotherHilikus, that's not an issue −− english isn't my mother tongue too, and I'm working on the manual since quite a while (but not much time recently)
22:42:01bluebrotherso if you find errors in the manual you could post patches against the manual sources too. Help is greatly appreciated ;-)
22:42:33*tucoz agrees with bluebrother
22:42:43bluebrotherhey tucoz ;-)
22:42:45tucozhi
22:42:49Hilikusok, i didnt see anything weird when i read it except some missing menu items
22:44:01webguest29if i wana update my rockbox then i gotta remove all the old files then there is 1 more thing i gotta do as i can remember (i must copy something over right?)
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22:44:21tucozwebguest29, simply unzip the rockbox.zip to the root of your player
22:44:27tucozno need to delete anything
22:44:35bluebrotherwebguest29, you don't need to repeat yourself. I don't see an answerable question in your line, so I didn't answer ...
22:45:02webguest29then thats all? but when i unzip all my codecs are all F***ed up error appears
22:45:19bluebrotherwebguest29, define "F***ed up error"
22:45:20webguest29invalid version
22:45:22tucozthat _should_ be all
22:45:31bluebrotherthen you didn't update correctly.
22:45:39webguest29hmm
22:45:42bluebrother1. make sure you don't have a /rockbox.ipod file left
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22:45:58bluebrother2. make sure you overwrote _all_ files in /.rockbox
22:46:00Hilikusi might come back later to ask about the sim when i get home since the themes dont seem to work. in fact nothing to do with images seem to work, backdrops, backgrounds, custom bars...
22:46:05bluebrother3. make sure to have a recent bootloader
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22:46:37webguest29umm okay ... i will try it now
22:46:46*tucoz compiled 15 sims today to be able to update those screenshots :)
22:47:02bluebrotherbtw, nice to have them updated :)
22:47:14Hilikuswhat screenshots
22:47:16webguest29^^
22:47:29tucozHilikus, for the main menu in the manual
22:47:31*bluebrother still waits for a new default theme so we could "unify" all screenshots
22:47:36*tucoz too
22:47:45bluebrotherHilikus, check the svn log on the front page ;-)
22:47:50webguest29hey 1 more thing
22:47:56Hilikusi will
22:48:18pixelmatucoz: you forgot something I think
22:48:24tucoznoooooo
22:48:25webguest29some of the themes of the background pics will rewite each other and some will not work
22:48:36tucozpixelma, what?
22:48:50webguest29i downloaded all the themes and it overwites each other making some now work
22:48:59webguest29not*
22:49:02pixelmatucoz: the M5 would have to use the same screenshot as the Ipod4g (same resolution and without radio)
22:49:35pixelmaas opposed to the H1x0s
22:49:45tucozaha. i see
22:49:51pixelmaand with RTC too
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22:50:11tucozso i simply copy the ipod4g screenshot and make a targetspecifc one for the m5?
22:50:12luke28072im having a problem with rockbox
22:50:34pixelmayes - copy and rename ( -m5 worked iirc)
22:50:44tucoz:) great
22:50:54chrisjs169is/would it be possible to have the sansa scrollwheel flash to the beat of the music? (FS7089)
22:51:01luke28072sometimes when i boot it (5.5G 30GB ipod) it shows the battery cautions symbole
22:51:02*bluebrother hugs the screenshot macro :)
22:51:21tucozgood work bluebrother. it is very good
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22:51:37bluebrotherluke28072, you mean the apple battery symbol?
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22:51:54bluebrotherluke28072, you mean the apple battery symbol?
22:52:27tucozdo i have to tell svn that it is a binary file i am adding?
22:52:37luke28072it looks like a battery and then there is a caution siqn( triangle with a question mark)
22:52:42bluebrothertucoz, yes, unless you have autoprops enabled
22:52:58tucozok. so similar as cvs svn add -kb?
22:53:03bluebrotheryou can check this with svn pget svn:mime-type after svn add'ing it
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22:53:49bluebrotherno, you need to svn pset svn:mime-type image/png <file.png>
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22:54:07bluebrotherbut most files use application/octet-stream for that property
22:54:18luke28072bengston.blogs.com/bengston/images/ipod.jpg
22:54:23luke28072it looks like this
22:54:25bluebrotheras that is more similar to cvs' -kb
22:54:31tucozok. i see there is an −−auto-props for add
22:54:38tucozcould i use that?
22:54:50bluebrotherhaven't used that. Try it ;-)
22:55:10bluebrotherluke28072, I get that sometimes too. That's the symbol of apple
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22:55:31bluebrotheryou can just reboot your ipod with Menu + Select. Works fine for me
22:56:03luke28072i get it like every other boot, i just boot it with menu and select, its not a problem, its just annoying
22:56:04bluebrotherstrictly speaking that's not a Rockbox issue as it's apples firmware displaying it.
22:56:06tucozsvn pget svn:mime-type ss-main-menu-160x128x2-m5.png
22:56:11tucozapplication/octet-stream
22:56:26bluebrothertucoz, looks good.
22:56:28luke28072it never happend until Rockbox was installed
22:56:31tucozcool
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22:56:53bluebrotherluke28072, AppleOS doesn't shut down the way Rockbox does −− it only goes to a deep sleep mode
22:57:13luke28072so why am i getting that symbole?
22:57:16chrisjs169is FS7089 possible?
22:57:32bluebrotherI don't know. The battery seems to be a strange thing on the ipods
22:57:41luke28072lol, no kidding
22:58:08tucozsee you soon
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22:58:12bluebrotherI just had this issue a couple of minutes ago, with the battery charged at about 90% −− rebooting booted fine and shows the correct battery level ...
22:58:15webguest43bluebrother: please explain again what i have do to clear the invald version
22:58:34bluebrotherextract _all_ contents of the zip file to the player.
22:58:51webguest43in .rockbox root?
22:59:03bluebrotherlike the manual says. Like you installed Rockbox.
22:59:36webguest43but u said a couple of minutes ago remove something ipod
23:00
23:01:06bluebrothermake sure you don't have /rockbox.ipod left.
23:01:17bluebrotherbecause the location of that file changes recently.
23:01:29webguest43ahh ok thx i'll remove it
23:01:31bluebrotherbut I said it before, so you should be aware of it ...
23:01:54webguest43oh ...
23:02:51webguest43btw can we run rockbox on not max backlight?
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23:03:05webguest43i'm being blinded by it
23:03:24bluebrotherno. Backlight brightness hasn't been implemented yet iirc.
23:03:42bluebrotheryou could of course implement it yourself and post a patch ;-)
23:03:49webguest43oh wat about the mplayer FF and REW?
23:03:54bluebrotherno
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23:04:10markunwebguest43: jhMikeS will probably work on that
23:04:10bluebrothernot implemented yet. Read the wiki page PluginMpegplayer
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23:05:00webguest43i did
23:05:03webguest43i was just wondering
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23:05:33webguest43"<bluebrother> you could of course implement it yourself and post a patch ;-)" i wish i could lol
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23:06:02webguest43is linuxstb testing out ipod linux?
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23:06:47bluebrotherwhy should he? He is working on Rockbox, if he is working on something else you should ask himself.
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23:07:44webguest43hahah ok then ..
23:08:16webguest43btw did linuxstb found a way to FF and REW for the Mplayer
23:09:08bluebrotherask himself. I don't know what he exactly did. If I want to know I can ask him directly, so why should I gather such kind of information?
23:09:30webguest43ok ... lol
23:09:34markunwebguest43: jhMikeS is working on that stuff now
23:10:26webguest43btw ... the rockbox.ipod must be placed on the ipod root
23:10:34webguest43not get it deleted
23:10:39webguest43lol
23:10:49bluebrotherwebguest43, no.
23:11:13bluebrotherunless you use some unofficial method to boot Rockbox (which you obviously do)
23:11:24webguest43hahha yea
23:12:33bluebrotherunofficial bootloader -> unsupported -> if things work different it's out of our scope. We only support the official way (which includes having rockbox.ipod in /.rockbox now)
23:12:57webguest43are you a moderator for rockbox bluebrother?
23:13:14bluebrotheris this of relevance here?
23:14:18webguest43i was wonderin if other people could update themanual?
23:14:42bluebrotherwhat are "other" people? The manual is maintained through svn like the source is.
23:14:54bluebrothereveryone with svn access can make changes to the manual
23:15:09webguest43hmwhat if someone messes it up?
23:15:26bluebrotherthen there is the revert command ...
23:15:35webguest43ahh i see
23:15:47bluebrother(and the same problem could occur with the sources itself btw)
23:16:15bluebrotherI can't remember this happening since I'm active at Rockbox
23:16:22webguest43can i write the program in C since rockbox is written in C?
23:16:35bluebrotherwhat do you mean by "the program"?
23:16:39webguest43for the mplayer
23:16:49bluebrotherwhat program for what mplayer?
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23:16:57webguest43FF and REW
23:17:16webguest43i'll try a few things on mine first and see if it works
23:17:26webguest43C will definitely work right?
23:17:30webguest43or C++
23:17:38bluebrotherthen you are reffering to the mpegplayer plugin. It's written in C, so you definitely will need C.
23:17:39olle46536hello
23:17:43bluebrotherhello
23:17:44TrueJournalshi
23:17:47webguest43ahh ok
23:17:55olle46536i have a problem with E10 and wonder if you could help
23:18:09TrueJournalsolle46536: Just ask a question...
23:18:12bluebrotherbut you might want to talk to jhMikeS about it.
23:18:17olle46536brb
23:18:21bluebrotherolle46536, E10? That's not supported by Rockbox.
23:18:29webguest43wats E10?
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23:18:54bluebrotherI assume he refers to Iriver E10
23:19:02webguest43klol
23:19:22webguest43jkMikeS he is writing 1 too?
23:19:22TrueJournalsYeah... E10 is not supported, so no, we can't help ;-)
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23:19:42olle46536ok now im back, sry
23:19:44webguest43wow gonna discuss wheres he up to
23:19:58TrueJournalswebguest43: Have you read the IRC guidelines?
23:20:01bluebrotherwebguest43, he is not writing "one", he is working on that plugin
23:20:02webguest43jmikeS is afk i guess
23:20:24olle46536hehe sry but my prob isnt about rockbox, its technical
23:20:28webguest43i'll try writing 1 to test
23:20:40TrueJournalsolle46536: Then I would say that this is not the place to ask
23:20:43olle46536i onnected my E10 to a 9 volts battery by mistake
23:20:44webguest43i'll test on mine first to make sure its sage
23:20:48TrueJournalsolle46536: Try the misticriver forums
23:20:51webguest43safe*
23:21:03olle46536trueojur: yeah i have
23:21:26webguest43whe u say working on it what other way can u work on it then writing 1?
23:21:33bluebrotherwebguest43, I really don't know what you are trying to do. Your wording is confusing.
23:21:43bluebrotherwhat the hell is "1"?
23:21:56TrueJournalsolle46536: Well, as I said... people try to keep the discussion on rockbox here... especially because the channel is logged and developers sometimes read the logs to see if anything interesting went on
23:22:11webguest43sorry my room is so dark i cannot tell which key is which
23:22:19TrueJournalswebguest43: Once again, have you read the IrcGuidelines?
23:22:34webguest43not yet
23:22:42bluebrotherwebguest43, then please do so
23:22:48TrueJournalsYou should read those: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoapSealofApproval?topic=IrcGuidelines
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23:23:08webguest43wats that for?
23:23:13buleeahnOoh...this channel *does* exist.
23:23:14olle46536btw, how is the progress going regarding E10?
23:23:15*buleeahn dances
23:23:37olle46536are you able to program for these samsung CP-Us?
23:23:39TrueJournalswebguest43: The IrcGuidelines dictate how to act on this channel
23:23:42bluebrotherolle46536, there is no progress. You might want to look in the New Ports forums if there is any discussion about it already
23:23:55olle46536ok, ill give it a try
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23:24:12olle46536"may the force be with you", gnight
23:24:19webguest43i guess the typo's i make is really bad i turned on the lights btw
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23:25:27buleeahnIs anyone using a recent release of rockbox on an ipod (preferably a 5th generation ipod)?
23:25:38webguest43here
23:25:40TrueJournalswebguest43: "Use clear, grammatical, correctly-spelled english." "btw" is not a word...
23:26:04bluebrotherTrueJournals: right, but "btw" is widely accepted. A bit of irc terminology is ok
23:26:23webguest43ummm in't btw self explanatory for "by the way"
23:26:38TrueJournalsbluebrother: Ah, OK
23:26:41buleeahnTrueJounals You're trying to get someone on irc to type complete, properly punctuated, and capitalized sentences. I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
23:26:47bluebrotherno, it's not self explanatory, especially if you are not familiar with irc and not a native speaker
23:26:53TrueJournalsbuleeahn: Thanks, I think I'll need it.
23:27:03webguest43umm i am ...
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23:27:24webguest43i'll rename myself
23:27:34bluebrotherwebguest43: most of the people in this channel are not.
23:27:43webguest43oh
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23:28:02bluebrotherI'm not, and I haven't understood what you want to do with that mpegplayer thing you wrote earlier
23:28:11peturrofl
23:28:29*TrueJournals rolls his eyes
23:28:34*bluebrother notices a really really ... broken nick
23:28:34Administrator*sigh* i'll let you know if i am done
23:28:50buleeahnlol
23:29:00 Nick blithe_ is now known as blithe (n=blithe@shrv-c-068.resnet.purdue.edu)
23:29:05Administratorthis is the admins word so you know its the truth
23:29:07buleeahnI was wanting to ask about ipod battery life, but this is more fun to watch.
23:29:14bluebrotherrotfl
23:29:32Administratorsee my name for reference if you didn't notice
23:29:42TrueJournalsI don't even know what to say to that...
23:29:43bluebrotheranyone who names himself "Administrator" or "root" isn't taken seriously by me :D
23:29:53Administrator=P
23:30:03scorcheor 14m73h1337?
23:30:12 Nick Administrator is now known as Root_Administrat (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90d02a77523f352)
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23:30:29*petur notices nick 'root' is already taken
23:30:30Root_Adminits too long
23:30:34bluebrother*sic*
23:30:36*TrueJournals sighs
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23:30:39xxbarrxxhey
23:30:42TrueJournalshey
23:30:51xxbarrxxis there a way to change the backround to a custom backround
23:31:06peturxxbarrxx: yes, rtfm
23:31:14TrueJournalsxxbarrxx: Yes, but you will need to have the background at the exact size of your player's screen and be in BMP format
23:31:53xxbarrxxi tried downloading the flamebox theme and changing the pic to a custom picture (same size,bmp everything) and it just went black
23:32:31peturxxbarrxx: maybe you saved as RLE?
23:32:35Root_Adminby the way , when i convert using WinFF the videos stil lag how can this be improved
23:32:36xxbarrxx?
23:32:49TrueJournalsRoot_Admin: What player are you using?
23:32:58bluebrotherby optimizing the mpeg player plugin
23:33:15Root_Adminmplayer (newest build updated 2 minutes ago)
23:33:21buleeahnpetur: What does RLE stand for?
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23:33:24TrueJournalsRoot_Admin: Meant which DAP
23:33:31peturxxbarrxx: make sure it's a plain normal BMP of correct size
23:33:45bluebrotherwe have mpegplayer, not mplayer. mplayer is a video player for *nix
23:33:46peturrle is a compressed bmp
23:33:59buleeahnthx
23:34:02markunand stands for run-length-encoding
23:34:20*petur was too lazy to type that
23:34:56Root_Adminyes mpegplayer , so gow can this be solved?
23:35:02Root_Adminhow*
23:35:10TrueJournalsRoot_Admin: Will you answer my question? Which DAP are you using?
23:35:14bluebrotherby optimizing the mpeg player plugin
23:35:20xxbarrxx24 bit 256 color?
23:35:21Root_Adminwats DAP?
23:35:23xxbarrxxwhich ones
23:35:39TrueJournalsRoot_Admin: Digital Audio Player (ex: iPod 5G, iriver H10, ...)
23:35:40Root_Adminhow can i optimize it for my G5
23:35:51Root_Adminyea 5g
23:36:13peturxxbarrxx: 24bit should be ok I think
23:36:17Root_AdminDigital audio player? wats that for?
23:36:22buleeahnIpod 5g? Interesting.
23:36:26TrueJournalsRoot_Admin: The iPod 5G is horrible at playing videos under rockbox because the developers don't really know how to use the processor, and mpegplayer is very unoptimized.
23:36:53Root_Adminso the videos cannot be unlagged right?
23:37:12EbErTits horrible at scrolling, even in default software
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23:37:38TrueJournalsRoot_Admin: They might be able to, but a lot of work needs to be done... If you want to watch videos on your iPod 5G, you're much better off just booting into the original firmware.
23:37:43Root_AdminLOL
23:37:47buleeahnTrueJournals: When I last tried rockbox it seemed like ipod support was there, but the developers weren't quite sure about many things with the ipod. What you're saying makes it sound like that's the case....
23:37:48Root_Admini bet bluebrother is regretting for buying just ipod now
23:38:05buleeahnTrueJournals: So, how much as the rockbox matured for the ipod in the last 4-5 months?
23:38:06TrueJournalsIt's not the videos that are lagging, it's the player
23:38:06Root_Admin*his pod now*
23:38:18TrueJournalsbuleeahn: I don't really know, I don't have an iPod :-\
23:38:22buleeahnbummer
23:38:37Root_Adminhaha i ahve an ipod
23:38:39Root_Admints lags really really bad
23:38:40TrueJournalsPretty much all I know about rockbox, I've learned from just observing this channel
23:38:45buleeahnI do to. a 5G at that.
23:38:48xxbarrxx24bit is horrible there is absolutly no color
23:38:51xxbarrxxits xgarrrrbage
23:38:56EbErTthings work a lot better, blueeahn. battery is still a mystery tho
23:38:56Root_Adminyea i ahve a 5g too
23:39:00buleeahnTrueJournals: Obsessing, lol.
23:39:07xxbarrxxi went into paint and oppened it up
23:39:10xxbarrxxsaved it as a 256 color
23:39:11TrueJournalsWhatever you want to call it ;-)
23:39:13xxbarrxxor something like that
23:39:24peturxxbarrxx: can you put that bmp online somewhere?
23:39:29xxbarrxxsure
23:39:34buleeahnEbErT: That was my big issue, battery life. I *LOVE* rockbox, it's just that the battery life was horrible on the initial versions of rockbox.
23:39:39xxbarrxxcan i give you the jpeg though
23:39:42Root_Adminthere is an option to tuen on the ram does it actually do anything?
23:40:00bluebrotherwhy should I regret buying an ipod?
23:40:02Root_Adminturn*
23:40:04TrueJournalsRoot_Admin: rockbox is using the RAM I believe...
23:40:20peturxxbarrxx: that won't help, the whole point is to see if you're making the correct type of bmp
23:40:26TrueJournalsWell, unfortunately, I have to go... see ya
23:40:28peturand make it 24bit
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23:40:43*bluebrother doesn't regret buying an ipod at all
23:40:51Root_Adminbut i can turn it off lol ... strange option even though its forced to be turned on
23:41:00*markun doesn't regret buying a Gigabeat at all
23:41:08Root_Adminbluebrother i was joking lol
23:41:19*bluebrother would buy a gigabeat if he had the money
23:41:27*petur doesn't regret buying an h340 and making an h380 of it
23:41:33bluebrotherstill, I like the h120 best.
23:41:39Root_Adminwhich is more expensive? an ipod 5g or gigabeat?
23:41:40xxbarrxxhere is the file
23:41:42xxbarrxxhttp://rapidshare.com/files/28973620/flamebox.jpg
23:41:46xxbarrxxi want that to be my backround
23:41:48EbErTbuleeahn: it charges real nice now, and only stutters occasionally. have you not put rockbox on your ipod?
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23:42:17xxbarrxxcan someone format it for me
23:42:21xxbarrxxi tried myself
23:42:22xxbarrxxand it didnt work
23:42:41buleeahnEbErT: I put rockbox on my ipod a long time ago. I tried ipodlinux and discovered rockbox too. I totally loved the way the interface was customizable but even more I love the CONTINUOUS mp3 playing from one track to another.
23:42:58xxbarrxxim sure someone could do it quick and then upload the new one back into the rapidshar
23:43:28markunRoot_Admin: a Gigabeat F40 can be found for around $100 on ebay
23:43:39Root_Adminhey the battery life of my ipod is draining so fast is it the ipl or the rockbox?
23:43:44buleeahnEbErT: I have a lot of albums that are continuous so this is a huge deal for me. I put rockbox on my ipod shortly after rockbox supported the ipod when it hadn't been optimized for the ipod much. The battery did not last long at all under rockbox, so I couldn't use it.
23:43:45markunI don't know what an ipod 5g costs
23:43:45Root_AdminHAHAHAHAH
23:43:59Root_Admin$399 prolly
23:44:11EbErTi'd try it again, its a LOT better now, depending on some things
23:44:14markunbut then you have the 60GB version?
23:44:34markunRoot_Admin: both ipl and rockbox drain the battery pretty hard if you use an ipod
23:44:45Root_Adminaccessories i bought isn't worth the squeez after buting the inear headphones
23:44:48buleeahnEbErT: A LOT? That's good news. I'm here to find out how much it's matured for the ipod. What things does it depend on?
23:44:54peturxxbarrxx: what player do you have?
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23:45:10Root_AdminWHAT???????????? the battery drain is so hard it finishes in 2 hours
23:45:32Root_Adminmarkun: yes i ahve the 60gb version
23:45:34EbErTi was talking about battery life. just give it a try!
23:45:38scorcheRoot_Admin: please...the caps and overstated comments are not necessary
23:45:52buleeahnEbErT: Cool, I certainly will, thanks for the news.
23:45:54EbErTall you have to do is run the bootloader real quick, and update the .rockbox folder as needed
23:45:59Root_Adminscorche: ok fine =P
23:46:10buleeahnYeah, I think I've still got the old rockbox on my ipod in hopes that it would mature.
23:46:28buleeahnRockbox, if I recall correctly, reads the apple mp3 database, right?
23:46:37BHSPitMonkeyno, it builds its own.
23:46:39Root_Adminis there anyway to reduce the drainage of myipod's battery drainage
23:47:00EbErTit can read what you've put in via itunes, then builds its own database
23:47:07EbErTwhich has many more options
23:47:09buleeahnAh, that's what I thought.
23:47:21BHSPitMonkeywhy would it limit you to wav, mp3, and aac
23:47:23buleeahnI use the itunes database with a Linux app, so I like the itunes database for that.
23:47:40Root_Adminlol duping in itunes i know that and yes continuous music for a day whereas in rockbox its like 5 hours
23:47:58buleeahnRoot_Admin: Are you talking about music playing battery life, or video playing battery life?
23:48:11Root_Adminmusic dor ipod
23:48:16Root_Adminfor*
23:48:18buleeahnk
23:48:21scorcheon the 5th gens, rockbox seems to consume the battery in around half the time
23:48:29Root_Adminyea
23:48:37Root_Adminu mean 1/4th
23:48:45scorcheno i mean 1/2th
23:49:07Root_Adminwhen i say 1 day its like 20 hours but rockbox its like 5 hours
23:49:19scorcheand you have timed this?
23:49:21Root_Adminso 3/4 faster than normal
23:49:30Root_Adminthats an approx
23:49:44Root_Adminsince i usually listen nearly 24/7
23:49:56Root_Admineven when sleepin (allarm purposes)
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23:50:26Root_Adminmaybe my battery is gonna give up thats yits like that
23:51:13Root_Adminfor you infor backlight is 20sec if u wana calculate
23:51:23scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodRuntime
23:51:33scorcheas i said...about half
23:51:52buleeahnRoot_Admin: Have you timed the exact run time from full charge to dead in the apple firmware *and* the rockbox firmware?
23:52:12buleeahnscorche: useful url, thanks for that
23:52:17scorchetime it expressly for this purpose following http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime
23:52:25Root_Admin9 hours? impossible
23:52:35Root_Admini barly passed 6
23:52:41Root_Adminbarely*
23:52:51scorcheso just because you didnt get there, it means it is impossible?
23:53:31Root_Adminlol btw its 191 bitrate right?
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23:53:53scorcheapparently, his test was
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23:53:57buleeahnwow, 11 hours runtime, I like!
23:54:00Root_Adminmine is usually 320
23:54:06Root_Adminhmm
23:54:20buleeahnRoot_Admin: Did you encode the mp3's yourself?
23:54:37buleeahnscorche: Do you have any idea of the battery/ipod age for the tests listed on that page?
23:54:45Root_Adminnope
23:54:54scorchebuleeahn: of course not
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23:55:12Root_Adminlol mines over a year now lol
23:55:16buleeahnRoot_Admin: Where did you get those mp3's from?
23:55:19markunRoot_Admin: lol
23:55:25markunI guess
23:55:47Root_Adminhmm .... do i really ahve to say lol
23:56:08Root_Adminits in full albums i guess you got some ideas now lol
23:56:29buleeahnlol
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23:56:52buleeahnuh
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23:57:03buleeahnThat's not what I'm getting at, I hate the RIAA...
23:57:10Root_Adminespeciall whe 50gb of songs are in my ipod leaving 10gb for video
23:57:16maffe-Hi!
23:57:29Root_Adminhoi
23:57:42markunRoot_Admin: are you dutch?
23:57:45buleeahnDo you know if those mp3's have any encryption for copyright protection? I've heard of windows-friendly WMA-playing mp3 players chewing up battery life because of this.
23:57:53buleeahnAnd it's merely a hunch on my part.
23:57:55Root_Adminhow'd u know that?
23:57:57Root_Adminare you 1?
23:58:07markunhalf (other half german)
23:58:14buleeahnNo, heh, I read headlines on websites that report things like this.
23:58:39Root_Adminahh i see i'm from LA ... hoi is dutch
23:58:50buleeahnI despise copyright protections that keep me from having the same album on my home computer, my laptop, in my car, and on my ipod at the same time. So related headlines catch my attention.

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