00:00:59 | preglow | yes |
00:01:05 | preglow | very much so |
00:01:30 | preglow | even 48khz -8 files should work with no problems at all |
00:01:35 | maffe- | weee |
00:01:35 | markun | maffe-: but the 48kHz files are being resampled to 44.1 |
00:01:42 | maffe- | Hm |
00:01:49 | preglow | not something you'll hear easily |
00:01:51 | markun | and it's not the best resampoler |
00:01:55 | markun | resampler |
00:01:59 | preglow | still not something you'll hear easily |
00:02:15 | preglow | all the distortion will be in a frequency range above 20khz |
00:02:33 | markun | preglow: are downsampling and upsampling done differently? |
00:02:37 | preglow | not at all |
00:02:43 | preglow | both are plain linear interpolation |
00:02:47 | markun | ok |
00:02:56 | maffe- | :) |
00:03:53 | maffe- | Is there any portable audio player with Replay Gain support in the original firmware? |
00:04:02 | markun | preglow: I emailed analog.com to ask if they know about DAPs which use their Blackfin CPUs |
00:04:09 | preglow | markun: heard anything? |
00:04:20 | preglow | maffe-: i seriously doubt it |
00:04:25 | markun | I got a reply that I could build one myself :) |
00:04:31 | preglow | haha |
00:04:40 | markun | and sell it with rockbox on it |
00:05:03 | preglow | well, you've got the business plan ready already :P |
00:05:09 | * | scorche watched markun head off to the open-hardware thread on the forums |
00:05:17 | toffe82 | markun : ask them to have all the tools for free to develop it |
00:05:38 | Root_Admin | haha free lol |
00:05:41 | toffe82 | perhaps they will send you a platform dev for free :) |
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00:06:05 | markun | scorche: already posted something there |
00:06:09 | Root_Admin | =P lol you wish |
00:06:11 | linuxstb | markun: But did they answer your question? |
00:06:16 | markun | about using another DAP as a donor |
00:06:18 | markun | linuxstb: no |
00:06:37 | Root_Admin | hey linuxstb so u tried out ipod linux |
00:07:14 | scorche | Root_Admin: this is #rockbox.. |
00:07:26 | Root_Admin | hehe ok |
00:07:53 | linuxstb | Root_Admin: I tried it very briefly once, but I bought an ipod to port Rockbox, not to use IPL |
00:08:10 | markun | Root_Admin: why do you ask btw? |
00:09:08 | Root_Admin | i tried it and failed my ipod linux lagged so bad i couldn;t use it |
00:09:39 | markun | and you though linuxstb knew more about it because of his nick? |
00:09:41 | Root_Admin | and fyi its nearly the same |
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00:10:03 | Root_Admin | nope i remmebered he said he wana test ipod linux some time back |
00:10:14 | markun | linuxstb: you have a working Gigabeat F80 now? |
00:10:24 | Root_Admin | and now i wana know the result see it works |
00:10:26 | buleeahn | IPL is a very interesting project, but I didn't find a whole lot of usefulness out of it. That's why I'm *here*. |
00:10:32 | linuxstb | markun: No, I need a smaller screwdriver and haven't got round to buying one... |
00:10:49 | * | scorche points Root_Admin over to #ipodlinux |
00:10:52 | buleeahn | I've got to go read up on thie Gigabeat you all keep talking about. |
00:10:58 | markun | linuxstb: I also have a large one which also works, just very sharp |
00:11:09 | linuxstb | markun: I've tried everything in the house... |
00:11:26 | bluebrother | huh? I never said I'm a native speaker |
00:11:27 | markun | buleeahn: just don't trust everything you read about it on wikipedia :) |
00:11:40 | markun | although I think the errors are all removed now |
00:11:55 | markun | buleeahn: which language? |
00:12:02 | | Nick Root_Admin is now known as blackbrother (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90d02a77523f352) |
00:12:05 | markun | that was for bluebrother |
00:12:18 | buleeahn | k, I was trying to figure that one out for a moment. |
00:12:26 | bluebrother | markun, I'm german |
00:12:37 | markun | but not a native speaker? |
00:12:39 | * | petur has a compiler for blackfins at work, and it was expensive and not quite bugfree :/ |
00:12:40 | bluebrother | *sic* Do we get this "blackbrother" thing again? |
00:13:02 | blackbrother | wats*sic*? |
00:13:05 | bluebrother | I was referring to not being native english |
00:13:06 | markun | petur: I wonder how it compares to gcc |
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00:13:29 | xxbarrxx | can you get mario on rockbox |
00:13:33 | xxbarrxx | is so whats it called |
00:13:56 | Domonoky | xxbarrxx: yeah, you can play gameboy games.. |
00:14:09 | xxbarrxx | yea |
00:14:11 | blackbrother | can anyone get pacman working lol |
00:14:13 | xxbarrxx | but ive seen real mario |
00:14:15 | xxbarrxx | full speed |
00:14:18 | xxbarrxx | gb is slow |
00:14:21 | xxbarrxx | and now full color |
00:14:25 | xxbarrxx | i can |
00:14:32 | scorche | blackbrother: the manual is good |
00:14:45 | scorche | xxbarrxx: outside of the gameboy emulator, there is no way |
00:15:01 | blackbrother | i tried it says stuff like gb stuff |
00:15:04 | Domonoky | xxbarrxx: sorry i dont understand you, please use full sentences.. |
00:15:12 | buleeahn | scorche: No way to run mario full speed in rockbox? |
00:15:26 | blackbrother | when i tired it the pacman was so tiny from the gba emulator |
00:15:29 | scorche | buleeahn: no way to run mario outside of the gameboy emulator |
00:15:39 | buleeahn | k |
00:15:43 | Domonoky | on Gigabeat it should be full speed .. *i think * |
00:15:56 | markun | blackbrother: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1340008.1.9 |
00:15:56 | petur | xxbarrxx: that backdrop file you put online earlier works fine in the sim here, except it was a bmp, not a jpg |
00:16:00 | buleeahn | Well there was the version of Super Mario Brothers that id software ported to a pc a long time ago. |
00:16:05 | linuxstb | Domonoky: And on the h1x0 according to the Rockboy wiki page... |
00:16:16 | buleeahn | But that project kind of got killed when Nintendo expressed no interest in "gaming on PC's". |
00:16:27 | blackbrother | y does the ipod have tons of terrible things for rockbox like battery consumption,video(lags , please name more |
00:16:31 | buleeahn | Well, not "id" software, but the guys who started id software. |
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00:17:06 | markun | blackbrother: because the company who makes the CPU wants to keep the documentation secret |
00:17:35 | blackbrother | ahhh |
00:17:36 | Domonoky | linuxstb: its not full speed on h1x0, i just tested it :-) |
00:17:53 | linuxstb | blackbrother: Video works well on all colour ipods apart from the video ipod. |
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00:17:56 | xxbarrxx | can you reupload a working file |
00:17:58 | xxbarrxx | onto rapidshare |
00:18:17 | blackbrother | yes i was talkin about ipod videos |
00:18:38 | blackbrother | since mine is the 5g |
00:18:50 | blackbrother | hmm wheres bluebrother? |
00:19:05 | bluebrother | around. Why? |
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00:19:29 | blackbrother | oh you were quite quiet for some time |
00:19:33 | petur | xxbarrxx: the file *is* working, just change the extension from jpg to bmp because it is a bmp |
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00:20:08 | maffe- | How good is the Replay Gain support with Rockbox (on a Cowon iAudio X5L)? Can I choose between track and album gain, and does it work for MP3 (ID3v2.4), Vorbis, FLAC? |
00:20:21 | markun | maffe-: yes |
00:20:25 | linuxstb | maffe-: Very good. Yes and Yes. |
00:20:25 | markun | for all your questions |
00:20:26 | root_admin | i guess i'll get typin the C program and test on my ipod |
00:20:40 | maffe- | :)) |
00:20:44 | maffe- | Excellent |
00:20:56 | root_admin | btw linuxstb u got mpegplayer workin? |
00:21:01 | root_admin | the FF and REW? |
00:21:02 | linuxstb | maffe-: You can choose between track and album gain, or select "album gain but track gain when shuffling" |
00:21:16 | markun | root_admin: 3rd time, jhMikeS is working on it |
00:21:36 | markun | (or was that someone else who asked that before?) |
00:21:43 | | Quit xxbarrxx () |
00:21:53 | root_admin | umm |
00:21:57 | maffe- | linuxstb: Wow, that is a feature I still miss in foobar2000 |
00:22:04 | bluebrother | markun, no, it was the constantly-renaming person |
00:22:43 | markun | ah no, it was webguest43 |
00:22:48 | markun | root_admin: sorry |
00:23:02 | root_admin | yea webguest lol |
00:23:11 | maffe- | I'll buy a X5L now :) |
00:23:11 | linuxstb | markun: Don't apologise... |
00:23:22 | root_admin | how dare you blame the root_admin for a sin he didn't commit |
00:23:27 | markun | linuxstb: ok, sorry ;) |
00:23:28 | bluebrother | yes, and webguest43 is the same as blackbrother as root_admin as Administrator ... |
00:23:29 | root_admin | hahaha |
00:23:31 | scorche | markun: it is the same person |
00:24:07 | root_admin | yea everyone gang up on me |
00:24:12 | root_admin | ok yea its me |
00:24:12 | bluebrother | and I guess it's the same person who trolled around as blackbrother, linuxstd and webguestsomething a while ago |
00:24:36 | petur | 'kid' you mean |
00:24:43 | bluebrother | right. |
00:24:45 | buleeahn | I swear this is turning into a sitcom. |
00:25:17 | markun | maffe-: you know that the X5 screen sucks, right? |
00:25:43 | markun | but of course it's still a nice DAP |
00:25:49 | pixelma | markun: ? |
00:26:17 | maffe- | markun: I wasn't aware of that |
00:26:27 | markun | pixelma: well, I guess it's subjective. But it looked very low res when I saw the X5 of moos |
00:26:31 | pixelma | not that I like the screen but I wouldn't say "it sucks" |
00:27:14 | markun | some people would even say that every colour screen sucks :) |
00:27:19 | maffe- | I plan to buy the remote anyway |
00:27:21 | markun | well, just 1 person |
00:27:27 | maffe- | remote control |
00:27:38 | pixelma | markun: no " - and not all ;) |
00:27:40 | bluebrother | and our "root_admin" indeed seems to be the same troll as on 2007-03-16 |
00:27:49 | markun | maffe-: the M5L is also nice I guess |
00:27:53 | pixelma | err... s/"/2 |
00:28:12 | markun | pixelma: do they happen to be related? :) |
00:28:15 | maffe- | The M5L doesn't seem to be available in Germany |
00:28:31 | markun | pixelma has one and lives in Germany, right? |
00:28:52 | pixelma | no... I have an M5 - and bought it from a british ebay shop |
00:29:13 | pixelma | M5L |
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00:30:08 | maffe- | Do you know whether the original firmware supports UTF-8 encoded files? |
00:30:22 | maffe- | text files |
00:31:41 | pixelma | maffe-: atm you can't use the OF when rockbox is installed (if you go the "official" way) but rockbox would read them. Haven't looked at the original firmware before, so I can't answer that |
00:32:00 | maffe- | mkay |
00:32:40 | markun | root_admin: any luck with pacman? |
00:33:09 | root_admin | yea workin for gba |
00:33:16 | | Quit roolku () |
00:33:17 | root_admin | i mean gbc |
00:33:39 | root_admin | its harder than i thought programming C |
00:33:45 | markun | ah, I though you wanted to try pacbox |
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00:33:58 | pixelma | maffe-: there is an unofficial bootloader that let's you dual boot though but it won't be supported here |
00:34:11 | root_admin | nah its ok since its workin ongbc |
00:34:57 | root_admin | i gotta go to my friends house he'll help me program it laters |
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00:35:12 | root_admin | root_admin signing off |
00:35:16 | markun | root_admin: LOL!!! |
00:35:25 | * | linuxstb looks forward to the patch |
00:35:40 | root_admin | wats funny about an admin signin off |
00:35:42 | root_admin | hahah |
00:36:05 | root_admin | yes u guessed it i wasn't really an admin lol |
00:36:13 | maffe- | pixelma, will the official bootloader support dual boot in the future? |
00:36:38 | root_admin | bye |
00:36:46 | markun | bye |
00:36:51 | * | bluebrother awaits a troll to leave :) |
00:37:04 | root_admin | troll you say |
00:37:04 | scorche | bluebrother: well, if you didnt want to wait.. |
00:37:06 | pixelma | maffe-: that's the goal but don't ask for estimates about when |
00:37:08 | markun | bluebrother: he'll be back with another nick, don't worry :) |
00:37:23 | root_admin | wait till i come back with the patch |
00:37:33 | bluebrother | sure ... I should get pop corn :D |
00:37:33 | root_admin | and for ur info |
00:37:38 | markun | what will the patch do anyway? |
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00:37:51 | root_admin | whats better than being the root admin |
00:38:04 | bluebrother | being the root of all evil? |
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00:39:15 | root_admin | FF and REW mpegplayer see if it will work |
00:39:26 | bluebrother | good luck |
00:39:28 | root_admin | i'll keep u informed |
00:39:33 | root_admin | laters |
00:39:33 | * | bluebrother laughs evilish |
00:39:33 | markun | good luck |
00:39:46 | markun | root_admin: tell jhMikeS to stop working on it :) |
00:39:57 | root_admin | haha thx |
00:40:01 | root_admin | nooo let him work too |
00:40:07 | root_admin | mine might notwork |
00:40:15 | stripwax | So .. how do I get this patch committed? current svn builds are crashable with long strings in wps ... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7093 |
00:40:19 | root_admin | i'll give it some run test |
00:40:35 | * | bluebrother enables his surprised look |
00:40:41 | scorche | root_admin: would you like to make a bet on the outcome? |
00:41:15 | petur | stripwax: I'll have a look |
00:41:18 | stripwax | ta |
00:41:21 | bluebrother | stripwax, try catching Nico_P |
00:41:23 | root_admin | don't even try ... i'm inexperienced so i'm askin my friend that studied proframmin on C |
00:41:50 | root_admin | i'm off now .hate long gooodbyes |
00:41:51 | stripwax | bluebrother- we discussed on irc y'day - guess he was too busy? |
00:42:14 | bluebrother | ah −− I was busy myself, so I missed that. |
00:42:35 | bluebrother | then ignore my last sentence ;-) |
00:42:38 | root_admin | laters |
00:42:40 | stripwax | ok ;-) |
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00:43:29 | scorche | bout time |
00:43:50 | bluebrother | oooh ... fun's over :P |
00:44:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
00:44:17 | petur | too bad he was on the webclient - can't ban 'm |
00:44:27 | markun | petur: can't? |
00:44:29 | petur | s/too/to |
00:44:30 | scorche | i miss dongs...there was still fun to be had with him |
00:44:36 | scorche | petur: sure you canm |
00:44:41 | markun | scorche: he's still on freenode |
00:44:47 | markun | maybe you can PM him |
00:44:48 | stripwax | ('too' was right) |
00:45:12 | petur | markun: not unless you want to kick all weblients? |
00:45:29 | markun | scorche: I typed his hostname in my browser and got a very weird website |
00:45:58 | bluebrother | petur, the local part of the address is the ip in hex values |
00:46:03 | markun | petur: I think you can ban them based on their ircname (which is their ip) |
00:46:11 | petur | ah |
00:46:12 | bluebrother | so you can ban based on that |
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00:46:36 | bluebrother | that's also the way how I checked if he is the same as this "blackbrother" we had a couple of weeks ago |
00:47:13 | | Part EbErT |
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00:47:32 | petur | stripwax: that printf() probably doesn't belong in there? ;) |
00:47:39 | scorche | markun: very weird how? |
00:48:33 | bluebrother | some people use strange reasons for requesting a task to get reopened ... |
00:49:24 | stripwax | petur - eek ! right |
00:49:27 | stripwax | .. sorry |
00:49:32 | petur | np |
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00:51:28 | petur | stripwax: also keep line lengths below 80 (see contributing doc) |
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00:53:33 | stripwax | petur - hm, ok. there's other lines > 80 in that file.. |
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00:54:47 | petur | maybe, but we'll always know who to blame ;) |
00:55:14 | bluebrother | svn blame? ;-) |
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00:56:01 | bluebrother | anyway, out for sleep |
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00:58:41 | * | petur throws CONTRIBUTING doc at Nico_P |
00:58:43 | Javacat | Hey!! |
00:59:11 | scorche | Javacat: since when do you come in here? |
00:59:23 | Javacat | Since I wanted a new mp3 player :P |
00:59:37 | markun | scorche: kick him for using more that one ! in a row :) |
00:59:44 | markun | more than even |
00:59:48 | scorche | haha |
01:00 |
01:00:04 | markun | Javacat: did you decide which one to buy? |
01:00:11 | Javacat | No |
01:00:23 | buleeahn | Javacat: Which players are you considering? |
01:00:31 | Javacat | I was just wondering whether there was a port of Rockbox to the Creative Zen Vision: M |
01:00:46 | scorche | there are a few who are working on it, but they ahvent gotten far |
01:00:53 | Javacat | I've seen a huge thread about it on the forum, but can't work out whether it;s actucally ported or not |
01:00:59 | markun | it's not |
01:01:01 | scorche | it isnt |
01:01:18 | Javacat | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=36620 < I asked for advice on some forum I use :P |
01:01:45 | markun | The Gigabeat port us finished otoh.. </advertisement> |
01:01:53 | Javacat | Since writing that I've decided that I definatly want to use rockbox |
01:02:07 | johnzorn | is there plans on getting rockbox running on an 80g ipod? |
01:02:14 | scorche | johnzorn: YES |
01:02:17 | scorche | whoops |
01:02:26 | scorche | Javacat: good decision ;) |
01:02:49 | johnzorn | I guess theres no timeframe? |
01:03:00 | scorche | johnzorn: we dont give timeframes |
01:03:01 | markun | Javacat: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
01:03:10 | Javacat | At the minute I'm thinking either a new 60gb iPod Video or the zen |
01:03:35 | Javacat | The problem I have with the iPod is it's a bit big and the hardware isn't meant to be great |
01:03:43 | petur | stripwax: by adding that if() around everything in default, you're preventing the case where the stringbuffer is full and the string to add is duplicate. |
01:03:47 | Javacat | Thanks markun |
01:03:55 | scorche | well, if you definitely want to use rockbox, then the decision is made |
01:04:33 | Javacat | hmm.. there's the Cowon iAudio X5 |
01:04:41 | Javacat | But that costs a bit more than I'd like to spend |
01:04:58 | markun | while a Gigabeat F40 can be bought for around $99.. :) |
01:05:16 | markun | ok, I'll stop |
01:05:19 | scorche | Javacat: how much were you looking to spend? |
01:05:22 | stripwax | petur - which 'if' are you referring to? the latest patch takes that if out .. |
01:05:29 | Javacat | £200 probably |
01:05:31 | stripwax | (that 'if' was there before..) |
01:05:39 | buleeahn | Doesn't rockbox already run on 80g ipods? |
01:05:46 | scorche | buleeahn: no |
01:05:51 | buleeahn | I mean, an 80GB is essentially a fifth generation, right? |
01:06:05 | scorche | Javacat: i would lounge around ebay if i were you |
01:06:15 | Javacat | hmm |
01:06:18 | johnzorn | I shoulda got a cowon |
01:06:23 | scorche | buleeahn: there are a few differences with the harddrive |
01:06:31 | buleeahn | ah |
01:07:04 | petur | stripwax: oh... must have taken the wrong patch |
01:07:38 | stripwax | I've also just updated it (again) with the printf removed and the reduction in line length .. hopefully this meets guidelines now? |
01:08:08 | petur | strange ... the patch I downloaded had them removed... |
01:08:09 | Javacat | markun: The Gigabeats are ugly :P |
01:08:21 | scorche | uh oh |
01:08:27 | * | scorche runs for cover |
01:08:28 | Javacat | Should I hide? |
01:08:31 | scorche | yes |
01:08:34 | markun | Javacat: but work very well with rockbox |
01:08:37 | scorche | get in here...quick! |
01:08:44 | * | Javacat hides with scorche |
01:09:28 | scorche | Javacat: honestly though, the gigabeats have quite the little powerhouse inside of them....they run quite well, as they are quite fast |
01:09:45 | Javacat | Can they take a beating? |
01:09:54 | stripwax | petur - I added the patch to the tracker yesterday and submitted a newer patch about one hour later −− sounds like you downloaded the first patch without the if fix you already mentioned. anyway - get the newest one with above advice implemented |
01:10:34 | petur | stripwax: no I got the right one alright, it was my mistake ;) |
01:10:42 | stripwax | ;) |
01:10:47 | petur | I'll have a look at the new one |
01:10:50 | stripwax | thanks |
01:10:52 | * | scorche defaults the question to markun |
01:11:00 | Rincewind | ls someone here who likes to test a patch for me? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7092 |
01:11:08 | markun | well, I don't have much to compare it to |
01:11:33 | markun | perhaps a little more fragile than my h120 |
01:11:59 | * | petur gets the feeling he'll miss tortoisesvn a lot when he'll start using linux :/ |
01:13:18 | * | Javacat wishes his gmini xs 200 could have a bigger hard drive put in it and also have a port of rockbox :P |
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01:15:06 | stripwax | petur - do you think this patch is ok? I'd really like to help prevent rockbox crashing.. |
01:15:29 | markun | Javacat: do you have any special wishes for what the DAP should be capable of? |
01:15:34 | markun | recording, radio, video playback |
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01:16:46 | Javacat | markun: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?s=&showtopic=36620&view=findpost&p=524828 |
01:16:59 | Javacat | I'm not bothered about recording, radio or video |
01:16:59 | pixelma | XavierGr: around? |
01:17:06 | Javacat | a colour screen would be nice though |
01:17:33 | scorche | Javacat: what are you looking for in battery life? |
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01:18:10 | Javacat | probably about 8+ hours |
01:18:12 | Arathis | I just read a question about the fact that rockbox loads all tracks of a list into the playlist when you select one track out of it. the question was if it is possible to just load the track selected without choosing "add to playlist" from the context menu |
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01:19:20 | Javacat | I'm thinking that the Creative Zen Vision: M would be the best choice for me as it does everything I want as standard and there should be a rockbox port eventually |
01:19:29 | Javacat | http://play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/3274772/Creative_Zen_Vision_M_60GB_MP3_Multimedia_Player/Product.html |
01:19:52 | scorche | a rockbox port is not guaranteed |
01:20:07 | toffe82 | Javacat: why not the gigabeat S60 |
01:20:29 | markun | Javacat: and does it play Ogg Vorbis like you want? |
01:20:35 | Rincewind | Arathis: what player do you have? |
01:20:48 | Javacat | markun: yeh |
01:20:58 | Javacat | toffe82: Just gonna look at that now :P |
01:20:59 | scorche | toffe82: ick =/ |
01:21:07 | scorche | how is that port going btw? |
01:21:28 | Javacat | scorche: What's wrong with teh gigabeat S60? |
01:21:30 | Arathis | Rincewind: h10 |
01:21:30 | toffe82 | there is only one person really working on it :( |
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01:21:46 | scorche | Javacat: the original firmware |
01:21:55 | Arathis | Rincewind: I have a 20gb, but i think the one asking has a 5/6gb |
01:21:56 | Javacat | ah |
01:22:23 | scorche | which really doesnt matter to us, but rockbox isnt ported to it yet, so that is all there is |
01:22:30 | Rincewind | Arathis: if you had a hxx you could have used my rec button patch for the playlist insert |
01:23:09 | Javacat | hm.. the gigabeat S60s standard firmware doesn't do what i want |
01:23:13 | markun | Javacat: the official specs of the Zen Vision:M don't mention Ogg Vorbis |
01:23:19 | Javacat | oh |
01:23:30 | Javacat | gah |
01:23:32 | markun | http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=14331 |
01:24:41 | markun | good night all |
01:24:44 | Javacat | What are the chances of the SHA1 verification problem on the zen being resolved? |
01:24:48 | Javacat | cya markun |
01:25:59 | toffe82 | I think rockbox will run on the S before the creative |
01:26:13 | toffe82 | because of the protection |
01:26:41 | scorche | but, there is always the chance that it wont run on either, unfortunately |
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01:27:28 | XavierGr | pixelma: you called me? |
01:28:12 | maffe- | k good bye |
01:28:14 | pixelma | hi, yes |
01:28:22 | Javacat | Whatever MP3 player I get I'll be compromising at least one of my requirements :( |
01:28:24 | XavierGr | Hello |
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01:28:50 | Javacat | Appart from the cowon... |
01:29:05 | scorche | then get one of those |
01:29:08 | * | scorche shrugs |
01:29:11 | Javacat | ££ |
01:29:38 | scorche | you checked on ebay? |
01:29:57 | buleeahn | Can I have rockbox and IPL installed at the same time? |
01:30:01 | buleeahn | I seem to remember that I can. |
01:30:03 | scorche | yes |
01:30:48 | Javacat | There's one Cowon iAudio X5 60GB on ebay @ £220 with £16 postage |
01:30:57 | Javacat | *£14 postage |
01:31:00 | scorche | wow |
01:31:24 | scorche | well, if you want, you can check the us ebay for example and get someone to ship it to you |
01:33:05 | Javacat | ooo http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1011 |
01:33:35 | Javacat | £220 with free next day delivery |
01:36:17 | Javacat | Shipping from the USA would work out around £45 cheaper |
01:36:37 | scorche | that is quite a bit |
01:36:59 | Javacat | yeh |
01:37:06 | Javacat | Where are you located? |
01:37:17 | scorche | various places |
01:37:25 | Javacat | What country :P |
01:37:30 | scorche | the US |
01:37:30 | Javacat | out of interest |
01:37:32 | Javacat | k |
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01:44:24 | Arathis | When trying to insert only one track by 'contextmenu -> playlist -> insert I get the following error message: "error accessing playlist control file". loading a playlist or inserting the whole list by selecting one track works great on the other hand. but doing so after getting the error msg the player freezes at the wps. iriver h10/20gb with rockbox from yesterday |
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01:46:26 | Javacat | Is the last.fm patch included as standard in the Cowon build? |
01:46:53 | petur | all builds have last.fm support |
01:46:58 | Javacat | ok |
01:47:30 | petur | there's some minor bugs (first or last song not always scrobbled) |
01:47:43 | Javacat | ok |
01:48:10 | Javacat | When using rockbox, when plugging the mp3 player in, is it detected as a standard USB mass storage device? |
01:48:23 | petur | yes |
01:48:26 | Javacat | ok |
01:48:42 | Javacat | Think I'm going to get the Cowon iAudio X5 then |
01:48:46 | Javacat | and install rockbox :D |
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01:50:32 | buleeahn | It's been fun guys, thanks for the help with my rockbox questions. |
01:50:33 | buleeahn | Cya's |
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01:51:27 | Arathis | any ideas about my bug? or is it known already? |
01:53:39 | johnzorn | is there something I could do to help the ipod 80gig port? |
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02:08:18 | pixelma | Arathis: interesting, haven't seen something like this in ages - but there were a few reports of it since yesterday (here and in the forums, I think) |
02:08:50 | Arathis | any solutions or suggestions about it? |
02:08:53 | Arathis | +yet |
02:14:28 | pixelma | I believe it wasn't taken seriously so far (because it can happen every now and then), but if more and more people report it... maybe that's something for JdGordon hwo converted the context menus yesterday... |
02:14:35 | pixelma | *who |
02:15:29 | pixelma | just a guess though |
02:21:14 | XavierGr | markun: ping |
02:24:02 | Arathis | pixelma: he seems to have it fixed already. I installed the latest build and it workes again :) |
02:27:34 | pixelma | good to know |
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02:37:37 | Arathis | Is there any plan making rockbox fully themable? so you can make a theme for the wps, boot-screen and the menus, possibly including images in the menu? |
02:38:26 | webguest13 | Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures. |
02:40:31 | webguest13 | Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% |
02:40:39 | webguest13 | Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% |
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02:40:40 | webguest13 | Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% |
02:40:42 | webguest13 | Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% |
02:40:43 | Domonoky | webguest13: no ! |
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02:40:44 | webguest13 | Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.% |
02:40:50 | Domonoky | no need to repeat |
02:40:52 | webguest13 | Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.%Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.%Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.%Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.%Is using an Arch |
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02:43:01 | idnar | good grief |
02:43:19 | idnar | spamming like that via cgi-irc must be a bit tiresome :P |
02:43:26 | idnar | unless it was scripted |
02:43:57 | scorche | copy+paste isnt that hard |
02:44:12 | midkay | hahaha. |
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02:44:46 | Arathis | has anyone a comment to my question before the spam-wave? :) |
02:45:19 | scorche | not really =) |
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02:48:03 | Arathis | or is this part of the viewport model? |
02:50:00 | Arathis | can't remember who is working on thatone |
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04:14:13 | toffe82 | what kind of info ? |
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04:15:01 | deweycooter | trying to write a customization - is there a global var that i can step thru to look for a certain directory - need to see how many files are in it |
04:15:01 | JdGor|uni | hey all |
04:15:14 | JdGor|uni | jhMikeS: how did you figur eout which chip the sansa lcd controller was? |
04:15:36 | toffe82 | deweycooter: sorry , cannot answer |
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04:33:56 | Hilikus | hey guys |
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04:40:44 | Hilikus | im trying to debug a wps thats supposed to show cover art, i patched my build. this is the error i get in the sim |
04:40:56 | Hilikus | Failed parsing on line 15 : Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional) |
04:42:00 | Hilikus | line 15 is %C|0|20|75|75| |
04:42:10 | Hilikus | any ideas what could be wrong? |
04:44:13 | toffe82 | check the log of yesterday , somebody had the same problem : http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070501 |
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04:44:43 | toffe82 | at the beginnig of the log |
04:45:41 | toffe82 | I am not sure but you should writ %| instead of | |
04:47:41 | Hilikus | will do |
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04:56:26 | Hilikus | which one of the | should i escape |
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05:02:13 | toffe82 | the ones you want to display, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Other_Tags |
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05:16:48 | Hilikus | any idea what %m is? its in a .wps file but i dont find it in the list of tags |
05:17:02 | Hilikus | %m|80|160|%al%t10%pp/%pe;%m|80|160|%al%t10%cH:MPc |
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05:29:29 | kkurbjun | oops |
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05:32:09 | ampleyfly | kkurbjun: I think you fail |
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05:33:53 | Hilikus | any idea on the %m? i cant google that string :S |
05:41:01 | Hilikus | nm, i found it |
05:41:02 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I knew what that it had to be Renesas after looking at the init sequence. It looked just like the other startup code for Renesas. After doing a quick check to see if I could invert the display, I went datasheet hunting and got a hit on the registers. |
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05:48:30 | Hilikus | do i need to run configure every time im going to compile rb? or just "make"? |
05:48:54 | kkurbjun | Hilikus, just make |
05:49:09 | Hilikus | the make file gets created in the current dir right? |
05:49:22 | Hilikus | so if i have a /sim and /build dirs they should have separate makefiles |
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05:50:35 | kkurbjun | yep |
05:51:18 | Hilikus | cool, just checking my reasoning |
05:52:10 | Hilikus | hey one more question, is there a text file, header, or anything were all patches write themselves when applied to know which patches a build is using?? |
05:53:58 | kkurbjun | no, patches don't make any changes like that as a standard |
05:54:08 | Hilikus | mm ok, thanks |
05:59:45 | Hilikus | one more, is there a way to remove some plugins from compiling? i dont care for a lot of them and removing them every time i compile is annoying |
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06:00:01 | Hilikus | the makefile doesnt say anything about plugins |
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06:12:20 | kkurbjun | you can edit the subdirs/sources files under plugins |
06:14:24 | kkurbjun | if it's a plugin like rockboy or doom you need to edit it out of subdirs, and if it's a smaller plugin you can edit it out of sources |
06:14:48 | Hilikus | its rockboy |
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06:16:47 | Hilikus | found it! thanks |
06:17:19 | Hilikus | oh but a sync will re-introduce them |
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06:26:13 | kkurbjun | Hilikus, a sync will not remove them, it keeps track of your changes and merges them with the new changes |
06:28:10 | Hilikus | oh, sorry, youre right |
06:28:31 | Hilikus | i use svn at work but i forgot it doesnt merge things that you remove |
06:28:58 | Hilikus | thanks a lot kk, youve been verny helpful |
06:29:09 | Hilikus | have a good night |
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08:14:33 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ok cool :) |
08:15:02 | JdGordon | oh, and the audio swapping isnt completyl gone.. still has some wierdness.... but its much better... |
08:15:13 | JdGordon | not that you were trying to get rid of it though.. :p |
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08:41:41 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: true, but it seems to say something...not sure what yet :) |
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08:42:41 | * | jhMikeS is looking at WM8751 tone control stuff and decided we need fractional dB there |
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08:55:20 | jhMikeS | Voice doesn't support values saying "one point five decibels", does it? Well, I guess this will motivate that addition if not. |
08:58:47 | jhMikeS | so if we have a range of -6 to 9 in steps of 1.5, then it would be -60 to 90 with a step of 15 and a numdecimals of 1 |
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09:12:16 | * | petur sees article about sectorsizes > 512 becoming standard: http://www.sys-con.com/read/368465_p.htm |
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09:23:35 | [steveo] | ok hmm so i turn off my gigabeat f40 (with rockbox) 3hrs later i turn it back on and im missing movies pics but still have music... also missing the rockbox folder,recycle bin folder and all that |
09:23:55 | [steveo] | what happened =o |
09:24:16 | [steveo] | the stuff is still on it, its just not showing up |
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09:29:19 | petur | [steveo]: did you reset your settings by accident? |
09:30:51 | * | JdGordon wishes twiki had the discussion section like mediawiki |
09:32:14 | scorche | JdGordon: i have wished the same |
09:32:25 | scorche | oh...whoops |
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09:47:28 | [steveo] | petur i didnt reset anything lol i was playing music at the time i turned it off |
09:48:03 | [steveo] | the folders for pics and movies are still there next to music but nothing is in ethier of em |
09:48:27 | petur | also gone when looking at it from pc? |
09:48:32 | [steveo] | nope |
09:48:42 | [steveo] | so not deleted |
09:49:10 | petur | can you check that 'view files' is set to 'All' |
09:49:11 | [steveo] | reinstall rockbox? |
09:49:30 | GodEater | I suspect View Files is set to "Music" |
09:50:04 | [steveo] | ba petur that was it, y would it change on its own? lol i 100% didnt change it |
09:50:34 | [steveo] | ty for ur help, any reason it would change? |
09:51:11 | GodEater | maybe the gigabeat fairy did it... |
09:52:00 | [steveo] | hehe guess it was just a strange fk up =) |
09:52:47 | GodEater | a solar storm or something |
09:54:02 | GodEater | petur: if that article is true, I guess we're going to need to make those FAT / ATA driver changes sooner rather than later eh ? |
09:54:39 | petur | [steveo]: installed any theme/wps? |
09:54:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Voice does support decimals... take a look at output_dyn_value() |
09:55:55 | petur | [steveo]: or somehow selected a .cfg file that contained that setting? |
09:56:44 | GodEater | does LBDS also apply to SCSI disks I wonder |
09:57:02 | B4gder | do SCSI disks still exist? B-] |
09:57:10 | * | GodEater has seen them in the server room |
09:57:12 | GodEater | :) |
09:57:24 | * | petur has two 4GB disks for sale ;) |
09:57:27 | * | scorche lubs SCSI |
09:57:42 | GodEater | the standard doesn't appear to mention either ATA or SCSI |
09:58:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok, should be good for the gigabeat tone controls then, right? |
09:58:44 | JdGordon | GodEater: its not like manufacturers are going to start using this tomorow.. no real rush |
09:58:56 | JdGordon | would be nice fixing the ata driver to get the 80gb ipods working though |
09:59:02 | [steveo] | na petur was just playing music before it happened, makes no diffrence now its working and if ever happens again i know how to fix now ;) thx |
09:59:25 | GodEater | JdGordon: true, but as you mention, we already know of one manufacturer that's not using 512 byte sectors anymore |
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10:00:38 | JdGordon | the article says 4k sectors though, is apple being naughty? or..? |
10:00:43 | GodEater | I might start looking at the 80gb iPod again since Linus seems to have stalled on it permanently now. The Fat32 code scares me though |
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10:00:52 | GodEater | JdGordon: well, it's not apple really, it's Toshiba |
10:01:00 | JdGordon | both of them |
10:01:10 | GodEater | and the ATA standard allows for sector sizes in the range of 512 -> 4096 |
10:01:20 | GodEater | including the 2048 / 1024 byte sizes we see on the iPods |
10:01:31 | petur | too bad I don't have an 80GB ipoo, I'm a bit familiar with fat |
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10:02:28 | GodEater | I think I need to print the spec out and use it for some light bed time reading material |
10:02:38 | petur | hahaha look who's there |
10:02:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it has 1.5db steps is what I'm saying |
10:03:57 | LinusN | hehe, i have pretty much stalled with all rockbox development at the moment |
10:04:04 | GodEater | LinusN: when you first started looking at the 80GB ipod problem, you submitted a patch to flyspray with (I think) just ATA changes in it right ? |
10:04:14 | GodEater | or did it contain changed FAT code too ? |
10:04:22 | LinusN | i was hoping that i could have a look at the devcon |
10:04:29 | LinusN | GodEater: yes |
10:04:34 | LinusN | only ata |
10:04:49 | GodEater | and as I recall, that kind of broke the directory cache code ? |
10:05:00 | LinusN | it did? |
10:05:09 | LinusN | wasn't aware of that |
10:05:12 | GodEater | I definitely remember running something you gave me |
10:05:35 | GodEater | and it gave duplicate entries in the file list |
10:05:45 | GodEater | I could have sworn we thought it was the directory cache |
10:05:48 | GodEater | but I could be wrong |
10:06:05 | GodEater | I'm sure amiconn looked at it too |
10:06:41 | LinusN | that wasn't the dir cache, and that wasn't the ata code |
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10:06:49 | GodEater | ah |
10:06:59 | GodEater | must have been something you didn't even put in flyspray then I guess |
10:07:04 | LinusN | that was my first attempt at modifying the FAT32 readdir() code |
10:07:14 | GodEater | that rings a bell |
10:07:56 | jhMikeS | those duplicates were driving me nuts when doing recording work |
10:10:16 | GodEater | LinusN: just so I've got something to start with - was there more stuff which needed changing in the ATA patch to make it work on the 80GB, or was that part basically "done" ? |
10:10:48 | LinusN | GodEater: it depends a little on the general approach |
10:11:02 | GodEater | did you write down your intended approach anywhere ? |
10:11:06 | GodEater | or is it just in your head ? :) |
10:11:10 | LinusN | but yes, that change is probably all you need for the ATA layer |
10:11:43 | LinusN | my approach is to let the FAT32 and file I/O code deal with the sector alignment |
10:12:02 | GodEater | instead of doing it at the ATA level presumably ? |
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10:22:00 | LinusN | GodEater: yes |
10:22:39 | GodEater | did that ATA patch ever get submitted to svn, or is it still just in patch form ? |
10:23:22 | * | amiconn still thinks doing it at the ata level is significantly easier than butchering fat.c |
10:23:44 | amiconn | It's not as elegant, but it would be a working solution |
10:24:04 | GodEater | amiconn is welcome to implement it that way if he wants :) |
10:25:00 | GodEater | although if I think about it - I think you're probably right. |
10:26:04 | amiconn | I could do so, but I have no device to test on |
10:27:26 | LinusN | it sure feels like ATA issues should be handled in the ATA driver, but i fear that the ATA driver will be awfully inefficient with all the sector caching |
10:28:16 | GodEater | inefficient in terms of speed / memory use / power consumption, or all of the above ? |
10:28:19 | JdGordon | #ifdef it for the ipod only? |
10:28:50 | LinusN | GodEater: all of the above |
10:28:55 | LinusN | well, not memory |
10:29:15 | LinusN | it will consume very little memory, the only resource we have plenty of |
10:29:56 | LinusN | JdGordon: the inefficiency would only be for the ipod |
10:30:05 | JdGordon | then whats the problem? |
10:30:14 | LinusN | the inefficiency |
10:30:21 | GodEater | we'd have a new winner in terms of least well performing rockbox target |
10:30:34 | LinusN | exactly |
10:30:36 | JdGordon | it would really be a killer? |
10:30:47 | * | GodEater is happy to wear that badge if it takes the heat off the real devs ;) |
10:30:49 | bluebrother | the ipods aren't performing too good right now |
10:31:05 | GodEater | "I made the 80GB iPod work for only 2 hours!" |
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10:31:17 | LinusN | i think this is definitely devcon material |
10:32:19 | amiconn | LinusN: The inefficieny would be probably less than you might think |
10:32:28 | GodEater | I guess we don't know *how* killer it would be until we actually try it though |
10:32:42 | amiconn | Large reads/writes would of course not go through the cache, only single (logical) sector accesses would |
10:32:47 | LinusN | perhaps, it would mostly affect the FAT lookups |
10:33:02 | amiconn | This would be 95% identical to what the MMC driver does with large blocks |
10:33:17 | GodEater | even then, only 50% of them would NEED to go through the cache ( I think ) |
10:33:39 | amiconn | MMCs >= 1GB have 1KB blocks, MMCs >=2GB have 2KB blocks, while the file system still operates based on 512 byte sectors |
10:34:07 | LinusN | the biggest penalty would be FAT updates |
10:34:18 | GodEater | which we don't do masses of |
10:34:21 | LinusN | true |
10:34:22 | amiconn | So the MMC driver has 2 block caches where blocks are disassembled to / assembled from sectors |
10:34:57 | GodEater | if doing it in the ATA driver is where it was done for MMC, I think we shouldn't rock the boat and take a different route with big block disks |
10:35:01 | amiconn | (the block cahces are necessary for 512 byte blocks as well, but that's due to the SH1 SPI) |
10:35:20 | LinusN | my opinion is that the FAT driver in general is inefficient on all targets that have memory to spare |
10:35:24 | GodEater | amiconn is talking in acronyms I don't know again. |
10:35:38 | amiconn | SPI == serial peripheral interface |
10:35:48 | * | JdGordon learnt about that in lectures last week :) |
10:35:56 | GodEater | LinusN: if that's the case, shouldn't we do a complete re-write, rather than hacking the existing one ? |
10:36:20 | amiconn | The SH1 serial sends the LSB first, while most other implementations expect MSB first |
10:36:21 | LinusN | GodEater: more or less |
10:36:26 | JdGordon | ... even still the large blocks should still be handled in the ata driver... |
10:36:30 | amiconn | So we need to bitswap the data on SH1 |
10:36:50 | GodEater | pain in the arse |
10:37:16 | amiconn | And for writing data this can't be done in place (for reading it can, and is) |
10:38:07 | amiconn | This bitswapping is familiar from the other archoses, since the MAS is hooked up to SPI as well (for playback) |
10:38:14 | GodEater | I'm really coming round to amiconn's way of thinking here - I think the change should happen at the ATA level, and leave the current FAT driver alone |
10:38:34 | GodEater | make a re-write of the FAT code a project for another (possibly rainy) day |
10:38:36 | amiconn | So on Ondio the data needs to be bitswapped twice... and even then it's capable of handling WAV realtime |
10:38:52 | GodEater | GSoC next year maybe :) |
10:38:52 | bluebrother | only one rainy day? ;-) |
10:39:00 | GodEater | bluebrother: I'm very optimisitic ;) |
10:39:05 | bluebrother | hehe |
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10:42:13 | JdGordon | though, I still rekon its worth it to get the extra port |
10:42:28 | markun | XavierGr: pong |
10:43:24 | JdGordon | ... reading sequencial blocks would get a speed up though wouldnt it? |
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10:45:00 | GodEater | *if* we were going to re-write our FAT driver, is there some reason why we shouldn't nick the code from uclinux ? |
10:45:11 | preglow | because theirs is very wildly inefficient? |
10:45:14 | B4gder | uclinux is linux |
10:45:17 | preglow | besides, you can't just nick code like that |
10:45:20 | preglow | it'd take ages to adapt |
10:45:21 | B4gder | linux fat driver is huuge |
10:45:32 | B4gder | and based on the vfs of linux |
10:45:43 | XavierGr | ah hey markun, do you happen to know about font encodings etc? I ask because I remember you doing some sort of work about that and wanted to confirm something |
10:47:44 | markun | Hm, not sure what you are refering too |
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10:49:35 | * | GodEater realised you couldn't just take it as is - but didn't appreciate it was SO hugely different. So that answers my question - thank you. |
10:49:39 | XavierGr | markun: well I just discovered that a specific letter in greek won't show up correctly in rockbox no matter what font I use. I remember that you did some work on adding greek glyphs on nimbus so you might have an idea about it |
10:50:53 | markun | maybe you can take a look at the charts at unicode.org |
10:50:58 | markun | and tell me which glyph is missing |
10:51:14 | XavierGr | ok I will search there |
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10:51:43 | XavierGr | thing is that it might not be missing just mapped wrong (if that can be happen, I don't know a thing about encodings) |
10:54:07 | markun | does it happen with filenames as well? |
10:54:37 | XavierGr | markun: code 0386 greek capital letter alpha with tonos (from the pdf in the greek code chart) |
10:54:55 | XavierGr | markun: yes, in filenames, viewer and the UI |
10:55:00 | markun | ok, I'll check it out later |
10:55:23 | XavierGr | with all fonts it looks like an apostrophe |
10:55:24 | XavierGr | thanks |
10:55:58 | XavierGr | it just appeared to me while pixelma was trying to add greek glyphs to nimbus-10 and saw it there only to discover the same behaviour on all fonts |
10:56:01 | amiconn | On the player it does not :) |
10:56:02 | XavierGr | (even unifont) |
10:56:13 | amiconn | (but the tonos isn't shown) |
10:56:19 | XavierGr | ah yeah I remember that :P |
10:58:05 | JdGordon | http://www.pjrc.com/tech/8051/ide/fat32.html has 3 links to fat32 implementations which might be usable |
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11:00:58 | markun | XavierGr: I don't know any greek, so I might have made some mistakes here and there |
11:01:12 | markun | what is the tonos supposed to look like? |
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11:02:52 | XavierGr | a little accent above letters |
11:03:03 | XavierGr | I could give you the pdf that has the icon of it |
11:03:08 | XavierGr | (link to it) |
11:03:24 | XavierGr | http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0370.pdf |
11:03:49 | XavierGr | the exact glyph is shown on block 0386 |
11:05:02 | markun | Well, to me it looks like an apostrophe :) |
11:06:48 | XavierGr | you mean on the pdf or rockbox? |
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11:07:15 | scorche | looks liek accent aigu to me =P |
11:07:18 | scorche | like |
11:07:37 | XavierGr | the letter I am reffering to is a capital Alpha (code: 0391) with the tonos (code 0384) |
11:07:54 | markun | XavierGr: yes, I understand |
11:08:07 | XavierGr | on rockbox it looks just like a plain apostrophe without a letter |
11:08:18 | markun | without a letter? |
11:08:19 | XavierGr | (on all other vowels it works correctly btw) |
11:08:30 | markun | ok, I can check it out |
11:08:46 | markun | or you can ask pixelma if she can fix it for you as she'w working on the fonts these days |
11:09:33 | XavierGr | well is it a font problem or character mapping? |
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11:14:45 | XavierGr | markun: I mean is is that the fonts don't include the glyph or that the character mapping is not correct. (I dont know how font staff work so I might be saying silly things) |
11:16:36 | markun | XavierGr: if they don't include the glyph you should see the dotted square |
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11:17:19 | XavierGr | ah so it is a mapping issue |
11:17:33 | markun | yes |
11:17:43 | XavierGr | if that's the case the I am not how this can be fixed |
11:17:48 | XavierGr | ^then |
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11:18:05 | markun | well, just draw the right glyph for each font |
11:18:45 | markun | I might have drawn an apostrophe to save some horizontal space, not knowing that it would change the meaning |
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11:19:30 | markun | should the tonos be above the A or in the left-upper corner? |
11:20:02 | XavierGr | well for capitals it is normally in the left-upper corner |
11:20:11 | XavierGr | just like the pdf renders it |
11:22:24 | XavierGr | markun: the part that I don't understand is: if it is a mapping issue then what it has to do with the font itself? |
11:23:06 | XavierGr | it seems to me that rockbox asks from the font a different glyph from what it should normally call |
11:23:06 | markun | If you have the alpha with tonos do you only see ' or 'A ? |
11:23:15 | XavierGr | I see only ' |
11:23:18 | markun | weird |
11:23:28 | XavierGr | on all other letters it works |
11:23:41 | XavierGr | maybe an error from my part? |
11:23:50 | markun | I don't know |
11:24:08 | XavierGr | strange indeed |
11:24:11 | markun | but I don't have time to look into it now |
11:24:28 | XavierGr | yeah no hurry I am just mentioning it |
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11:25:57 | XavierGr | pff it might be my bad in the end |
11:26:15 | XavierGr | the UI seems to render correctly that rare case. |
11:26:46 | XavierGr | I wonder what is giving me only the apostrophe when I am writing that glyph on a filename |
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11:57:56 | JdGordon | GodEater: your BryanChilds right? "disk is written in 1024 byte chunks now" shouldnt that be 2048? |
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12:02:37 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: so, how an I going to get a setting of say 4.5db to say "4 point 5 decibels" instead of "45 decibels"? |
12:04:20 | JdGordon | umm.... hmm? |
12:04:55 | jhMikeS | the gigabeat needs a tenth db setting on the tone controls since the steps are 1.5 amiconn said there's a function that does it |
12:05:08 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure where in the menu code to look |
12:05:56 | JdGordon | umm... iirc thats done by having the setting *10 and using the formatter... |
12:06:14 | JdGordon | the settings have no way of dealing with reals... |
12:06:25 | JdGordon | float's even |
12:06:27 | jhMikeS | the setting is *10 already |
12:06:36 | jhMikeS | -60 to 90 step 15 |
12:08:24 | jhMikeS | does the menu code use output_dyn_value? |
12:08:37 | JdGordon | cant remembe... |
12:08:44 | JdGordon | oh, you want to get it to voice 4.5? |
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12:09:20 | jhMikeS | yes |
12:09:21 | JdGordon | one way you could do it is talk_id(4, UNIT_INT); talk(LAND_POINT); ... |
12:09:33 | JdGordon | or just not worry about the voice :p |
12:09:37 | jhMikeS | output_dyn_value already has that available |
12:10:54 | JdGordon | the menu doesnt use it |
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12:14:08 | jhMikeS | hmmm...where's that code? |
12:14:22 | JdGordon | which? |
12:15:30 | jhMikeS | the menu code for that, or you still don't remember? ;) |
12:15:46 | GodEater | JdGordon: for some reason the disk is presented differently under USB than when you run code on the actual target. |
12:16:01 | GodEater | when you write to the disk over usb, the sector size is indeed 2048 byte |
12:16:11 | GodEater | but on the unit itself, you use 1024 bytes |
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12:17:51 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: menu.c :p |
12:18:06 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: It does draw it right, but I'm not seeing right off how it actually gets the value list |
12:18:09 | David1 | Hello! Can you please tell me when the seeking on MPEG Player will be implemented? |
12:18:20 | JdGordon | talk_menu_item |
12:18:29 | markun | David1: no, that's impossible to tell |
12:18:31 | * | JdGordon brb |
12:18:32 | David1 | Hello! Can you please tell me when the seeking on MPEG Player will be implemented? |
12:18:33 | GodEater | David1: when someone decides to write it |
12:18:37 | jhMikeS | David1: yesterday :P |
12:18:43 | markun | David1: jhMikeS plans to do it I think |
12:18:45 | intgr | David1: As usual, when it's done. And we heard you the first time. |
12:19:01 | David1 | Sorry |
12:19:02 | * | jhMikeS decided to write it but I really want dual core stuff implemented |
12:19:10 | David1 | So months weeks or years? |
12:19:15 | jhMikeS | LOL |
12:19:17 | markun | David1: exactly |
12:19:32 | intgr | What, there are dual core MP3 players? |
12:19:37 | David1 | What? |
12:19:39 | GodEater | intgr: ipods |
12:19:47 | scorche | intgr: all PP devices |
12:19:47 | markun | all portalplayer targets |
12:19:49 | GodEater | intgr: and other portalplayer based targets |
12:19:50 | intgr | GodEater: Specialized cores? |
12:19:57 | scorche | winner! |
12:19:59 | GodEater | intgr: no - generalised as I understand it |
12:20:03 | markun | intgr: no, just 2 ARM7 cores |
12:20:05 | GodEater | scorche: well done ;) |
12:20:07 | David1 | So weeks? |
12:20:10 | intgr | What's the point then? :S |
12:20:14 | jhMikeS | I'll implement as if I have it available and then fudge until it works |
12:20:14 | markun | David1: or months or years |
12:20:18 | scorche | David1: we dont give out timelines |
12:20:28 | David1 | Well which? |
12:20:30 | intgr | David1: You can always help a little with a bounty. :) |
12:20:32 | David1 | Oh OK |
12:20:33 | scorche | David1: we dont give out timelines |
12:20:40 | linuxstb | David1: People work on Rockbox as a hobby in their spare time... |
12:20:56 | jhMikeS | yeah, I need to buy an iPod Photo/Color |
12:21:03 | jhMikeS | ante up |
12:21:30 | markun | David1: maybe someone is secretly working on it and will come her in a few minutes and tell us "I added seeking support to MpegPlayer, where can I post my patch?" |
12:21:30 | jhMikeS | :) |
12:21:33 | David1 | Can I pay them to do it? |
12:21:36 | David1 | How much? |
12:22:11 | David1 | Hundreds thousands? |
12:22:23 | markun | jhMikeS: yes, how much? :) |
12:22:36 | jhMikeS | One iPod photo/color to get dual core support running on all players would help |
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12:22:45 | scorche | speaking of ante... jhMikeS: can you please edit yourself on the "Who" section of the wiki as per the latest mail please? (it really makes things easier for me) |
12:23:15 | David1 | markun: How much do you need? |
12:23:17 | jhMikeS | scorche: sure |
12:24:13 | David1 | Someone is secretly working on it??? |
12:24:20 | David1 | LINK FOR DOWNLOAD |
12:24:20 | jhMikeS | You, know, maybe the supposedly uncached RAM is still being cached there which would bust that...besides a defective swpb...nothing else should |
12:24:21 | David1 | ???? |
12:24:22 | webguest52 | David1: buy one ipod photo/video to jhMikeS like he said he need one for working on rockbox |
12:24:51 | David1 | What about a gigabeat? |
12:24:53 | jhMikeS | :) |
12:25:07 | * | jhMikeS has one but it's single core |
12:25:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Then you need another ;) |
12:25:34 | jhMikeS | One ipod and another gigabeat...yeah, sounds alright :) |
12:25:40 | webguest52 | David1: he need an ipd video/photo or iriver h10... |
12:26:08 | David1 | Where do I send it? |
12:26:10 | David1 | Address? |
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12:26:36 | * | jhMikeS needs a test on another PP5020 target to see if it's only the iPod going weird |
12:26:44 | webguest52 | jhMikeS: ??? ; ) |
12:27:06 | jhMikeS | Who has the H10 again? |
12:27:51 | scorche | barry was the one that worked on that, if that is what you are asking |
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12:27:54 | jhMikeS | ...and maybe linuxstb would kindly test with the changed instuction? :D |
12:28:10 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: back... |
12:28:34 | jhMikeS | scorche: right...if he's around and I'm not mention I'd like a quick test with that. thanks |
12:29:00 | scorche | does he know where the patch is located?....FS? |
12:29:17 | jhMikeS | scorche: I can put it on my person wiki page I suppose |
12:29:19 | JdGordon | the value is got from menu->submenus[sel]->variable .... |
12:29:23 | jhMikeS | personal |
12:29:37 | jhMikeS | There's one there but it's not the latest |
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12:31:32 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: thanks. The sound stuff needs fractional settings indeed to be right. Having the correct values also fixes the sound a bit since set_prescaled_volume kind of relied on it to be right |
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12:35:07 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What do you need? |
12:36:17 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: just to change the swpb to swp in test_and_set in thread.h. I know it's stupid but it's the kind of thing that systematically rules out possible causes. |
12:36:59 | jhMikeS | if it's not that, it would have to be the RAM is still cached or something |
12:39:33 | jhMikeS | markun: btw, I've much more than started it but syncing stuff after seek will just not be so reliable and really nasty if the COP can't send messages to the buffer thread |
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12:43:07 | jhMikeS | and what I hope to have there is a simple buffer that can be moved to the core and split away from playback and be multistream/COP compatible...then after that...video with codecs |
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12:48:00 | * | jhMikeS must sound like a lunatic for wanting so much lined up in advance :P |
12:49:07 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Is there an updated version of yesterday's threading patch? |
12:50:01 | pondlife | It's been working ok here on a single core (H340) FWIW. |
12:54:07 | jhMikeS | pindlife: no update yet and not much changed from it except some queue squeezdown |
12:54:19 | jhMikeS | s/pindlife:/pondlife:/ :) |
12:54:37 | pondlife | :) |
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13:00:12 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I assume you mean with your latest patch applied as well? |
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13:01:28 | crop | XavierGr: here? |
13:01:51 | jhMikeS | yes, otherwise it doesn't get used in the core |
13:02:10 | jhMikeS | only by the CPU anway |
13:02:22 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: BTW, I've just noticed a warning - comparison between signed/unsigned in line 192 of kernel.c |
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13:03:10 | jhMikeS | yes, you can just change it to "unsigned int i;" |
13:03:55 | jhMikeS | probably doesn't matter though |
13:03:56 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Still freezes... |
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13:04:53 | jhMikeS | hrm, then that memory likely is still cached...but thanks for checking it out |
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13:06:28 | linuxstb | BTW, CPU_ARM is defined for PP chips, so "#if defined(CPU_PP) || defined(CPU_PP)" can just be "#ifdef CPU_ARM" (around the definition of test_and_set() in thread.h) |
13:06:47 | linuxstb | I mean "#if defined(CPU_PP) || defined(CPU_AM)" |
13:06:55 | linuxstb | argh, you know what I mean... |
13:07:00 | markun | :) |
13:07:00 | crop | XavierGr, markun: I've checked nimbus-12. The mentioned glyph (Alphatonos) seems to be ok and in the right position (0x386=902). @XavierGr: could you check your tags? Are they correctly displayed on the PC? |
13:08:22 | * | linuxstb wonders if we should use something like ARCH_ARM instead of CPU_ |
13:10:20 | JdGordon | if we go to a 4th target tree level we should |
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13:12:06 | jhMikeS | yeah, gigabeat won't pick it up then :) |
13:13:13 | jhMikeS | now that I think about it...CPU_ARM should be enough but that's how it was left |
13:14:32 | markun | crop: are you still planning to come to the devcon? |
13:14:47 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: is that the bit that calls down to talk_setting? |
13:15:05 | JdGordon | yes |
13:16:30 | jhMikeS | can the sound menu hook it to do it instead? it can then use the num_decimals field. |
13:18:05 | JdGordon | ? |
13:18:29 | crop | markun: not anymore. This was a one day thought. |
13:18:49 | markun | do you live in Sweden? |
13:19:14 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: sound.c defines a num_decimals field which gives the string back from say 45 as "4.5db" |
13:19:38 | crop | markun: no |
13:19:42 | JdGordon | ok, but how can we voice the string? |
13:21:31 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure where the string is even being obtained (i.e. the call to get the string) |
13:22:14 | jhMikeS | the formatter or whatever it is that does it |
13:23:21 | JdGordon | you talking about sound_numdecimals()? |
13:23:30 | JdGordon | set_sound() calls it |
13:23:32 | jhMikeS | yes |
13:25:47 | JdGordon | is there a function which can voice a decimal value? |
13:25:50 | JdGordon | from the string..? |
13:25:51 | jhMikeS | It looks like it's supposed to actually talk it right |
13:26:00 | jhMikeS | no |
13:26:33 | jhMikeS | why's it calling sound_numdecimals and not using it? |
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13:27:13 | JdGordon | I dont know... that code wasnt touched very much to make it work when the settings went into the lists... |
13:27:27 | * | JdGordon cant wait till semester holidays |
13:27:31 | JdGordon | soo much to fix up :p |
13:27:39 | jhMikeS | dec_sound_formatter is supposed to do it |
13:28:33 | jhMikeS | oh wait, nvm it doesn't handle the talking part |
13:28:44 | JdGordon | yeah... two seperate things... |
13:28:57 | JdGordon | We might need a decimal talker funct |
13:29:05 | JdGordon | or just leave it for the time being |
13:31:21 | jhMikeS | the set_xxx should just take struct that have a pointer passed around all over the place. the legacy stuff can wrap that. |
13:31:52 | jhMikeS | then it's just trivial to add new params to it |
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13:42:29 | jhMikeS | hehe, just figures a hack to passing a struct pointer when the string should go :P |
13:43:59 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: thats the plan.. sort of |
13:44:24 | JdGordon | long term goal for the setting screens is simplify the interface alot |
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14:10:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I doubt that iram is cached on PP5020. But another idea would be to try to use the 'mailboxes'... |
14:13:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: can try other things, but something must be amiss somehow if such a simple thing works basically everywhere else but there |
14:13:38 | linuxstb | I don't think mpegplayer would work at all if iram was cached on PP5020 |
14:14:46 | jhMikeS | There's nothing to this thing so the fact it breaks there says somethings goofed |
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14:15:27 | jhMikeS | that's exactly what happens with wrong values read from the lock |
14:16:58 | jhMikeS | I'll test that out of course |
14:20:13 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Are you going to bid on that 40GB Photo you linked to on ebay yesterday? |
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14:21:52 | jhMikeS | should I? I wonder if the price bloated way up by now |
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14:23:51 | linuxstb | It's still quite cheap with 12 hours to go - http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-IPOD-Photo-40GB-Color-MP3-Player-White-M9585LL-A_W0QQitemZ260113271406QQihZ016QQcategoryZ90964QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
14:24:29 | linuxstb | But there seem to be a lot of bidders, so the price is sure to rise |
14:25:41 | jhMikeS | I just put what I'm willing to pay minus shipping and leave it usually. So let it rise. I'll try until I hit...usually a few times at most. |
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14:27:04 | linuxstb | I expect the greyscale 4th gen or the 1st gen mini would be cheaper - they also have the same issues afaik. |
14:28:25 | jhMikeS | I should look at completed auctions and shoot at the bottom 1/3 or so of the price distribution as usually works well |
14:28:30 | * | amiconn never bids until a few seconds before the auction ends |
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14:28:51 | amiconn | Bidding earlier just pushes the price unnecessarily |
14:29:59 | jhMikeS | But at the least I make sure noone gets it too cheap. I've bid the price up on people that seem to follow me around and do that just to make 'em pay up. |
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14:31:02 | * | jhMikeS is evil like that >:] |
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14:43:42 | crop | Is the check for "wps_bufptr" (wps_parser.c:774) needed? |
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14:44:18 | crop | IIUC, wps_bufptr can never be null |
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14:45:52 | crop | Shouldn't it rather be *wps_bufptr? I.e. testing for end of string? |
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15:17:50 | crop | Hm... the wps_parser code is even dangerous since a buffer overrun is possible: wps_bufptr will scan beyond the trailing '\0' |
15:24:24 | JdGordon | hehe.. so someone can use it to load their own firmware.. big deal :p |
15:24:39 | pondlife | Call Zune Linux! |
15:24:44 | crop | Yes, a backdoor |
15:25:06 | markun | those guys are really doing a great job |
15:25:15 | markun | I'm so glad they are in the pre-alpha phase now |
15:25:22 | B4gder | "We're working hard to recruit talented programmers to fulfill our mission" |
15:25:35 | markun | ;) |
15:26:38 | crop | Can anybody try to load a WPS that ends with a string constant and has no EOL at the end? I can't atm |
15:26:40 | markun | he has a degree in management and probably though that would be enough to take on such a project |
15:27:30 | B4gder | "I can manage people fine, I should be able to manage people into making zune linux in no time" |
15:27:39 | B4gder | *g* |
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15:33:33 | LinusN | B4gder: as long as you have a good project plan, everything will turn out just fine - and on schedule |
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15:34:19 | B4gder | and a good site of course |
15:34:25 | LinusN | oh of course |
15:34:26 | markun | and donations! |
15:34:28 | LinusN | forgot that |
15:34:28 | B4gder | with a fine logo |
15:34:34 | JdGordon | unless you have more than 2 people in the orgnaisation.. then (according to my lecture notes) the project will fail 90% of the time |
15:35:00 | LinusN | like rockbox |
15:35:07 | LinusN | a huge failure |
15:35:12 | LinusN | a bag of shit |
15:35:20 | B4gder | darn, you beat me to it ,-) |
15:35:37 | bluebrother | oh, more fun from zune linux? |
15:35:58 | B4gder | nah |
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15:36:07 | B4gder | just repeating old stuff |
15:36:11 | * | JdGordon loves how the channel was dead.. untill someone mentinos Zune linux :D |
15:36:15 | * | pondlife must refrain from mentioning it again |
15:36:25 | pondlife | Now fix some bugs |
15:36:39 | B4gder | what, zune linux bugs? ;-] |
15:36:48 | pondlife | They probably don't have any yet. |
15:36:50 | * | B4gder ducks |
15:36:55 | bluebrother | *grrr* svn can be tricky sometimes ... |
15:37:11 | pondlife | If only Rockbox was as bug-free as ZL... :p |
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15:37:52 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: hmm... i tihnk your patch stuffs up the sim.. |
15:38:06 | pondlife | JdGordon: It does, he knows... |
15:38:10 | JdGordon | ok |
15:39:08 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Wasn't too concerned about that in the pre alpha stage |
15:39:17 | * | pondlife would like the sim to use the standard thread handling with one SDL thread per processor... rather than doing it's own thing. |
15:39:45 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: of course... but some of us do our own things with the local patched source :p |
15:40:05 | pondlife | Erm, is "pre-alpha" catching? |
15:40:58 | bluebrother | what's the letter before alpha? *g* |
15:42:00 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: and btw, I've no real idea how to sneak a quick thing in to talk decimal numbers |
15:42:09 | amiconn | No letter... but perhaps a tonos? ;) |
15:42:25 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: dont worry about it... |
15:42:26 | jhMikeS | are those tasty? |
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15:42:50 | markun | amiconn: if you are talking unicode there are many letter before alpha of course |
15:43:02 | jhMikeS | toneladas |
15:43:46 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: if all this stuff got passed a pointer to the settings structure entry, it'd be tons easier |
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15:46:26 | * | crop tries to materialise Nico_P in this channel |
15:46:45 | * | B4gder offers crop some extra clay to work with |
15:47:10 | * | pondlife tries to prevent crop succeeding for no good reason |
15:47:42 | * | JdGordon makes more blue text |
15:47:58 | * | bluebrother wonders why the text ought to be blue |
15:48:08 | * | JdGordon because |
15:48:24 | * | JdGordon unless your irc client has different colours... |
15:48:27 | * | pondlife adds another line of purple text |
15:48:29 | * | JdGordon then it doesnt have to be |
15:48:40 | * | bluebrother looks at grey text with white nicks |
15:48:47 | pondlife | JdGordon: You're cheating... those aren't sentences. |
15:49:13 | * | JdGordon fail english? thats unpossible |
15:49:18 | * | B4gder puts the "cheater" sticker on JdGordon's back |
15:49:38 | bluebrother | ha! I knew it! We have a cheater in here. |
15:50:31 | * | pondlife points at JDGordon as Nico_P appears |
15:51:06 | JdGordon | Nico_P appears? |
15:51:17 | * | JdGordon dont see him |
15:51:21 | pondlife | No, I lied a bit to confuse crop. |
15:51:28 | * | JdGordon thinks pondlife has finally lost "it" |
15:51:36 | pondlife | Ne'er had "it". |
15:51:48 | crop | He-he |
15:52:03 | pondlife | back to work ... booored. |
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16:14:46 | crop | Anyone with access to the latest sim? I'll forget it, that's for sure! |
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16:55:24 | crop | What?! Still no Nico_P??? =:-O |
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16:57:21 | JdGordon | fooled ya :D |
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17:04:11 | crop | JdGordon: he-he. But since you are Nico_P, could you test a WPS consisting of just one line of text, e.g. "Hey" −− but without a EOL at the end. I.e. the file should be 3 bytes long. |
17:05:16 | crop | This should let the pointer go beyound the real data if I'm reading the WPS code right |
17:05:38 | JdGordon | with −−debugwps? |
17:05:54 | JdGordon | loaded correctly |
17:07:02 | JdGordon | crop: ... works fine |
17:07:15 | crop | hrm... then I don't understand something. I mean the code in wps_parser.c:774 |
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17:07:59 | crop | JdGordon: it reads "while (wps_bufptr..." but it should be "while (*wps_bufptr" IMO |
17:08:23 | JdGordon | ... if you say so :p |
17:08:39 | crop | It would be interesting to know the value of len when that loop is left |
17:08:58 | JdGordon | pass me a patch and ill check... |
17:09:12 | jhMikeS | isn't there a datasheet somewhere for the WM8975? I can't find one. I have the WM8751 which seems the same sans ADC. |
17:09:31 | crop | What did dump_wps (or what's the name?) show? Did you use −−debugwps? |
17:10:16 | crop | I assume that the value will be greater than 3. But it should be 3. |
17:10:54 | JdGordon | String buffer used: 11 out of 1024 bytes + |
17:10:56 | JdGordon | ? |
17:11:31 | roolku | de |
17:11:37 | roolku | oops |
17:11:43 | crop | JdGordon: that's wrong IMO. You only have 3 letters! |
17:12:10 | JdGordon | i did 2 lines, coz i stuffed the echo |
17:12:22 | JdGordon | the 2nd doesnt have \n |
17:12:33 | crop | And if you'd change the line to be *wps_bufptr, I bet it will be 3 |
17:12:42 | jhMikeS | ah, found the forum post about this |
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17:13:36 | JdGordon | crop: um.. ok... im going to bed... better wait around for nico |
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18:01:06 | Siltaar | hello everyone, |
18:01:31 | Siltaar | do someone know why the .voice files have to be smaller than 1,4MO ? |
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18:03:36 | linuxstb | Siltaar: That's how much free space there is in the Archos devices |
18:05:00 | Siltaar | ok, thanks |
18:05:35 | Siltaar | (go home) |
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18:22:11 | Nico_P | roolku ? |
18:24:39 | markun | Nico_P: crop was looking for you all day |
18:24:52 | Nico_P | markun: I'll read the logs then :) |
18:27:56 | toffe82 | Nico_P: 11 hours and still running |
18:28:17 | Nico_P | toffe82: nice :) |
18:28:38 | Nico_P | are you using the battery benc plugin or just timing yourself ? |
18:28:38 | toffe82 | Nico_P: I will post the result on the wiki |
18:29:21 | toffe82 | the battery bench and also I started yesterday night at 10pm (more or less) |
18:29:46 | toffe82 | I hope I didn't make a mistake on to start the battery bench :) |
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18:30:47 | markun | toffe82: which player? |
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18:33:33 | Nico_P | Lear ? |
18:33:38 | toffe82 | F20 |
18:33:40 | Lear | Yep. |
18:34:14 | toffe82 | markun: playing a full album mp3 at 320kbps to be sure there are acces to the disk |
18:34:26 | Nico_P | just saw your commit... I was about to make a similar one :) |
18:35:13 | roolku | Nico_P: yes |
18:35:45 | Nico_P | roolku: I was going to ask you to test a patch, but now you can just test the latest SVN :) |
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18:36:16 | Nico_P | (concerning your forum posts about blank tags) |
18:36:18 | roolku | Nico_P: :) stil at work, but will do when i get home |
18:36:28 | roolku | still |
18:36:42 | Nico_P | ok |
18:36:50 | Nico_P | it should work fine anyway |
18:37:37 | Nico_P | Lear: I would've tested (value && *value) instead of (value && strlen(value)) FWIW |
18:37:56 | roolku | Nico_P: just thought the same thing |
18:38:24 | Lear | Maybe, yes, but the old code used strlen... :) |
18:39:44 | Nico_P | Lear: have you read crop's concerns in today's log ? |
18:40:03 | Lear | No... |
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18:42:26 | Lear | You mean the bufptr stuff? |
18:42:52 | Lear | I seem to recall making similar comments myself, pre-commit... :) |
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18:43:47 | heanol | after installing rockbox i can't seem to get my sansa mplayer detected as a mass storage thingy when connected through usb |
18:43:55 | heanol | it just starts up the original sansa os when connected |
18:44:00 | heanol | and starts charging |
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18:45:17 | bluebrother | the sansa needs the OF for usb mode |
18:45:23 | heanol | OF? |
18:45:29 | bluebrother | original firmware |
18:45:42 | heanol | so.. how am i supposed to be able to uninstall rockbox? |
18:45:43 | bluebrother | so it's intended to reboot once you connect usb |
18:46:05 | bluebrother | the same way you installed it? Using it as UMS device? |
18:46:26 | heanol | but i can't get it o act like a ums device |
18:46:29 | bluebrother | I don't have a sansa, but I'm pretty sure it's described in the manual |
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18:46:40 | heanol | i find no settings in rockbox, and it's set to MSC in sansa os |
18:46:47 | heanol | mass storage controller is the same as ums i guess |
18:46:56 | heanol | cause thats the mode i had it when i installed |
18:47:01 | Nico_P | Lear: yes, that. what might not be evident is that the WPS file loading ensures every line ends with '\n' |
18:47:07 | bluebrother | you need to change its usb mode to install Rockbox, so it's that mode |
18:47:15 | bluebrother | yes, I think the sansa calls it MSC |
18:47:18 | heanol | bluebrother, yeah. |
18:47:25 | heanol | but it doesnt work as a UMS/MSC anymore after installing rockbox |
18:47:49 | bluebrother | if it's running the OF it should. Maybe that setting got reset? |
18:49:09 | heanol | bluebrother, i've checked the setting and it's set to MSC |
18:49:26 | bluebrother | I have no idea about the sandisk firmware. |
18:49:36 | bluebrother | Rockbox shouldn't affect it in any way ... |
18:49:44 | Lear | Nico_p: but he's right about that while (line 774), imo. |
18:49:44 | heanol | :( |
18:50:05 | heanol | sigh |
18:50:18 | heanol | rockbox won't play music correctly, and i can't add new music |
18:50:21 | heanol | and i can't uninstall it |
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18:53:10 | heanol | hmm, my bad i guess, i tried hooking it up to my laptop instead and that worked |
18:53:15 | heanol | what the.. |
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18:57:55 | Nico_P | I have a problem with my H300: the sound started to only come out only one of the earbuds in both rockbox and the OF, so its not a setting problem |
18:58:40 | Domonoky | Nico_P: you tested with other earbuds ? |
18:59:03 | Nico_P | yes, it's been tested on several different pairs of earbuds |
18:59:18 | Domonoky | bad, so its the device.. |
18:59:35 | Domonoky | if you are lucky its only the headphone socket.. |
18:59:40 | heanol | strange, uninstalled rockbox from the other comp and now it works as a MSC/UMS again on both comps.. |
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19:01:06 | Nico_P | Domonoky: doesn't look like it's the headphone socket... both the line out and the heaphone plug are affected and behave the same (i.e. weird noises when the plug is moved) |
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19:02:24 | Lear | Build server acting up again? |
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19:03:28 | Domonoky | Nico_P: weird noise while moving the plug sounds like a bad connection, but on both sockets ? |
19:03:48 | Nico_P | yes |
19:05:51 | Domonoky | Nico_P: it doesnt sound like it would be easy to repair, but perhaps someone with more knowlege about the hardware could help, maybe LinusN.. |
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19:07:55 | Nico_P | Domonoky: that's what I'm afraid of.... I'm filing an RMA request but my warranty is over since the 17th of april :( |
19:08:12 | bluebrother | maybe it's a bad soldering at the output pins of the TLV |
19:09:28 | Domonoky | Nico_P: just use a nokia charger, then the sound isnt a problem anymore *hehe* |
19:09:44 | Nico_P | :) |
19:09:49 | Nico_P | I'll pass on that |
19:10:08 | Domonoky | :-) |
19:15:48 | Bagder | Lear: yeps, me poked on it |
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19:25:41 | amiconn | Build server poker ;) |
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19:26:18 | Nico_P | Lear: yeah, about line 774 I think it should be *wps_bufptr instead of wps_bufptr. it prevents infinite looping when the string doesn't end with '\n' (which actually should never be the case) |
19:26:22 | amiconn | Bagder: Maybe it'd be a good idea to disable obo's sserver for sim builds temporarily? |
19:26:56 | Nico_P | Lear: what about using *value instead of the strlen(value) you added ? |
19:27:09 | Bagder | yeah, I'll do that |
19:27:18 | Lear | amiconn: Something for the devcon perhaps? |
19:27:24 | amiconn | My server is fixed, as (I think) is storebror |
19:27:33 | Lear | Nico_p: Feel free. |
19:27:40 | Bagder | no, storebror is still bad |
19:27:46 | Bagder | I just disabled sdl builds from it |
19:27:52 | Nico_P | Lear: I don't know, does it sound better ? |
19:27:58 | amiconn | Hmm, why don't you just downgrade binutils? |
19:28:02 | amiconn | Lear ? |
19:28:16 | Bagder | because disabling the builds were faster and easier |
19:28:27 | Lear | amiconn: Poker, as in the card game. |
19:28:30 | amiconn | Ah, that laziness thing ;) |
19:28:39 | amiconn | Lear: oh ;) |
19:28:42 | Bagder | yeah, scary thing that |
19:29:03 | amiconn | Well, downgrading binutils isn't that time-consuming... |
19:29:13 | * | amiconn will check for further updates |
19:30:02 | amiconn | 2.17cvs-20070426-x (x = 2 or 3) are the broken ones |
19:30:37 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe -3 is okay... /me should test |
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19:33:36 | amiconn | No, -3 is still broken |
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19:51:15 | * | Nico_P got the CONTRIBUTING doc thrown at by petur... |
19:51:21 | Nico_P | I hope he's happy now :) |
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20:09:34 | fm2 | Nico_P: hello |
20:09:41 | Nico_P | hi |
20:11:30 | fm2 | Nico_P: I've just submitted a patch for the problem spotted by crop. I understand why it still works. But you already committed a patch for this! :-) My patch also improves (IMHO) code readability at once place. Care to have a look? |
20:11:51 | Nico_P | fm2: sure. it's on the tracker ? |
20:12:12 | fm2 | Nico_P: yes, since ~5 min |
20:12:33 | fm2 | Nico_P: the change is really a very small one |
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20:13:24 | Nico_P | fm2: as you said, the first hunk is already in SVN |
20:13:47 | Nico_P | about the second, I'm not sure it's much more readable |
20:14:14 | Nico_P | and it seems a bit less clean :) |
20:14:17 | fm2 | Nico_P: that was my taste. Too much magic in the loop 'header' |
20:14:21 | intgr | My sent PMs on the forum aren't showing up in the 'Outbox' folder; is this OK? |
20:14:59 | fm2 | Nico_P: but the main thing was that bufptr |
20:15:06 | Nico_P | fm2: the loop header is a compact and correct way of doing the job. and the comment states the essential facts |
20:15:12 | Nico_P | yes |
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20:15:54 | toffe82 | Nico_P: still running 13h |
20:15:59 | fm2 | Nico_P: you can close the patch. This will be the shortest living patch ever! :-) |
20:16:09 | Nico_P | fm2: ok :) |
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20:17:11 | Lear | Nico_p: Though the "found" variable doesn't seem to add much... :) |
20:17:56 | Lear | (Unless it is used further down, of course...) |
20:18:06 | Nico_P | Lear: actually it's used later on and I can't rely on the value of i to know if a match was found |
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20:27:59 | Nico_P | looks like we have another stallen build |
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20:42:33 | H10_007quick | Hey anyone notice that the H10 5gb is gone from the current build page? |
20:43:16 | bluebrother | it's not gone |
20:43:39 | bluebrother | we have a hanging build and that one hasn't been updated by the build ... |
20:43:43 | H10_007quick | the 20gb is there but the 5gb is not |
20:43:49 | H10_007quick | ah |
20:43:49 | bluebrother | at least it looks like it stalled right there. |
20:43:50 | H10_007quick | i see |
20:44:02 | bluebrother | just look at the timestamps of the commit messages |
20:44:19 | H10_007quick | ok |
20:44:21 | H10_007quick | sorry |
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20:45:10 | bluebrother | np |
20:45:23 | bluebrother | hmm, too late. Oh my. |
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20:58:22 | jhMikeS | I hope someones around that can confirm: The MCLK source on a Gigabeat is 16.9344Mhz? |
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21:01:26 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: there is a crystal of this value on the gigabeat : FCX-03-16.9344-10.5/50-LF |
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21:02:04 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: I don't have one open here and cannot say if it is the one of the cpu, after there is a 24mhz |
21:02:44 | toffe82 | and a 32.768 also |
21:03:02 | amiconn | toffe82: The latter is most likely kHz, not MHz |
21:03:09 | amiconn | (rtc xtal) |
21:03:24 | toffe82 | amiconn: you win on this one :) |
21:03:32 | toffe82 | MC-146 32.768K 7/10 |
21:04:15 | toffe82 | I think that the 24mhz is for the usb chip |
21:04:17 | jhMikeS | that's probably the RTC xtal |
21:04:50 | jhMikeS | yes, USB is 12/24Mhz. No way it supports all those samplerates then. |
21:04:54 | toffe82 | because it is the same on the dock |
21:05:18 | markun | btw, there is also an unsused space for an extra xtal on both the F and X mobo |
21:05:25 | jhMikeS | 16.9344MHz is listed in the WM8751 datasheet and supports 5 sample rates |
21:05:48 | markun | jhMikeS: but we can also use the 24MHz clock (which we do) |
21:05:57 | amiconn | 32.768kHz is very common for RTCs (and is aslo one option for the TEA5767 FM radio chip) |
21:06:17 | jhMikeS | markun: you can switch the clock source for the DAC? |
21:06:25 | markun | yes |
21:06:35 | markun | at least that was what I tried to do |
21:07:32 | jhMikeS | but where is it actually switched to a different clock source? |
21:07:33 | markun | jhMikeS: did you run into problems while changing the frequency or something? |
21:08:04 | markun | hm, I I though both clocks were supplied, maybe a stupid assumption :) |
21:08:08 | jhMikeS | not exactly, I'm putting in a separate driver since the WM8751 isn't really entirely compatible with these other chips |
21:08:56 | jhMikeS | there's some register bit collisions on them and such |
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21:10:44 | jhMikeS | there's only one MCLK line and setting the USB mode just sets a codec mode |
21:10:54 | markun | yes, I see it now |
21:10:57 | markun | hmm.. |
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21:15:57 | markun | jhMikeS: do you see the empty x3 http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=1.1;filename=3.jpg |
21:16:20 | markun | x1, x2 and x4 are all ocillators |
21:16:31 | markun | I wonder what it's connected to |
21:18:38 | toffe82 | markun: as I see the photo, look top right (over L1 B) there is 2 empty spot of 6 contact each, any idea ? :) |
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21:20:08 | jhMikeS | the audio codec is covered up though |
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21:21:06 | jhMikeS | the 24Mhz is by the USB chip I think, what's closest the WM8751? The 16.9344 Mhz? |
21:22:28 | toffe82 | the 16 is closet to the wm |
21:22:43 | jhMikeS | that's makes much sense indeed |
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21:23:16 | toffe82 | the 24 is on the right side of the usb and the wm is near the flat cable of the lcd and so the 16 |
21:25:54 | chrisjs169|afk | what's up with the latest build? |
21:27:32 | bluebrother | it's hanging |
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21:27:52 | chrisjs169|afk | any idea what's causing it to hang? |
21:27:59 | markun | jhMikeS: hm, sorry I added all those unsopported frequencies then.. |
21:28:51 | jhMikeS | hehe...one thing too is that pcm_set_frequency isn't suppost to just hit the hardware right off, you have to call pcm_apply_settings or stop and restart |
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21:30:08 | jimbobuk | I want to get a newer build of rockbox that may fix a problem i'm having... where are the binaries for the builds shown here http://build.rockbox.org/ ??? |
21:30:12 | markun | a good think more rockbox devs have a Gigabeat these days to check the things we did |
21:32:03 | jimbobuk | for gigabeat, after version r13296 |
21:34:46 | toffe82 | jimbobuk: what problem do you have ? |
21:35:06 | jimbobuk | i can see all the source revisions etc (nice system there too seeing compile errors etc) |
21:35:19 | jimbobuk | the link to the gigabeat, via its image http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeatf/rockbox.zip what version is this? |
21:35:23 | jimbobuk | the last build made? |
21:35:26 | markun | yes |
21:35:42 | markun | jimbobuk: which problem are you having with your Gigabeat right now? |
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21:36:19 | markun | and can make a current build for you if you want |
21:36:25 | jimbobuk | i can't see how to pick a particular build out of the history, happy to go with newest for now, but would like to know how to pick a particular build |
21:36:34 | jimbobuk | ahh there are no builds available just source/diffs |
21:36:45 | jimbobuk | i'd like to be setup to make the source myself sometime, not today tho.. :) |
21:36:50 | jimbobuk | the problem is corrupt playlists |
21:36:56 | jimbobuk | i installed gigabeat for 1st time a few days ago |
21:37:10 | jimbobuk | inserting, queing albums causes playlist corruptions |
21:37:26 | jimbobuk | i ranted a bit too long about it here... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10225.new;topicseen#new |
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21:39:11 | markun | jimbobuk: ok, latest build is on the site again |
21:40:11 | jimbobuk | have you changed anything, or has it just updated? |
21:40:38 | jimbobuk | so 2007-05-02 17:14 version is at that rockbox.zip link i posted above? |
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21:41:56 | markun | yes, that link always points to the latest build |
21:42:59 | jimbobuk | great |
21:43:39 | jimbobuk | what dev environment is needed to compile rockbox? is there a guide on the wiki somewhere? |
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21:44:47 | chrisjs169|afk | jimbobuk: you don't really need much of a dev environment, either a Linux computer or cygwin |
21:45:31 | * | jhMikeS rather enjoys not having recording to deal with here...it makes the pcm driver rather complex |
21:45:45 | Bagder | and the cross-compiler |
21:47:07 | jimbobuk | ok cool, i'll give it a whirl sometime... anyone know whats behind the build monitoring pages, its pretty neat stuff... we've got something similar setup at work but its not as powerful |
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21:47:57 | Bagder | jimbobuk: a set of scripts we wrote |
21:48:23 | Bagder | and of course a set of servers to do the builds |
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21:49:15 | jimbobuk | ahh not based on some freely available system... congrats, really nice to see the break down of warnings, errors etc... what are the scores on the right of the table |
21:49:42 | Bagder | jimbobuk: the scores is just the errors * N + warnings, mostly just for fun really |
21:50:23 | jimbobuk | with N being? |
21:50:27 | jimbobuk | its cool |
21:51:03 | jimbobuk | we've got ours to try and spot who broke the build ;) different targets the same.. not as many targets but bigger (read slower) code to make |
21:51:04 | Bagder | N being 10 |
21:51:38 | Bagder | our code is almost 400,000 lines |
21:51:48 | Bagder | last time I counted |
21:52:08 | jimbobuk | its cool, do most web based svn open source systems have something similar... makes a lot of sense.. |
21:52:29 | jimbobuk | i've not counted our lines in a while... its pretty big.. too big :) |
21:52:35 | Bagder | this isn't really dependent on svn, we had the same concept with cvs previously |
21:52:50 | markun | it depends on the project I guess |
21:52:52 | Bagder | svn is better designed for it though so it is easier |
21:53:06 | jimbobuk | oh sure, i just meant any online dev setup really where u can't face to face as easily and its nice to be able to get an overview |
21:53:23 | jimbobuk | to be honest we switched to svn from cvs and have had some problems with the server being pwned |
21:53:32 | Bagder | I was inspired by tinderbox when I first wrote this script |
21:53:44 | markun | jimbobuk: the problem with rockbox is that you might break an ipod build while you only wanted to change something for an iriver |
21:53:50 | Bagder | but they say buildbot is nice too |
21:54:23 | jimbobuk | svn can be a bit too unresponsive at times for us, we dont update the server/client enough so maybe we've got a poor version of it.. i think one of our coders found it taking a lot of time in the authentication |
21:54:53 | markun | Bagder: did you implement the ideas you had for speeding up the building? |
21:54:59 | markun | downloading while building |
21:55:02 | Bagder | not yet |
21:55:09 | markun | speculative assignment |
21:55:28 | jimbobuk | markun: sure.. we've got the same problem.. annoyingly windows and linux compilers are hard to get to warn, or error the same.. very frustrting |
21:55:48 | Bagder | but I have a version with at least parallell downloading implemented |
21:55:55 | Bagder | I'll do a test run one of these days |
21:56:01 | markun | jimbobuk: which project are you part of? |
21:56:17 | Bagder | hey, I do the "show warnings and errors" for curl as well |
21:56:24 | Bagder | and _there_ we have a variety of compilers |
21:56:34 | jimbobuk | i'm a games programmer on a next gen console/pc game |
21:56:41 | Bagder | every unix and windows one you can name ;-) |
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21:58:46 | Bagder | GodEater_: your build server seemss to be in a strange state |
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22:00:02 | Bagder | ... and is currently disabled |
22:00:07 | jimbobuk | Bagder: you manage to get no issues purely from a compiler reporting differnet classes of errors? can't remember right now what kind of ones we get... its annoying as we have folks who are just on windows, you code and compile... if the compiler can't tell you its borked and then u commit and break linux folks or PS3 its a bit of a pain |
22:01:41 | Bagder | curl runs on POSIX, old unix, vms, amiga, netware, windows, qnx and more. we do autobuilds and automated tests on numerous platforms non-stop to make sure it remains functional all over |
22:02:16 | Bagder | but that's pretty OT for this channel now ;-) |
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22:02:30 | jimbobuk | yeah true :) |
22:03:00 | jimbobuk | interesting stuff.. I'll give this build a go in a bit.. if it works i can get on and use the rockbox gigabeat with more confidence |
22:03:30 | markun | jimbobuk: and if it doesn't work maybe you can try to find out what's wrong |
22:03:53 | jimbobuk | i'd like to find out how much battery life i get with all flac files, if its not terrible i may go down that route for it.. if not back to mp3 or mpc... i noticed my battery was a bit low, but skipping tracks and filling buffers can't help.. nor haivng a look at doom :) |
22:04:14 | jimbobuk | markun: definitely will do when i can... its definitely down to inserting, or queuing an album in the database view |
22:04:17 | jimbobuk | maybe file view too |
22:06:05 | pixelma | jimbobuk: I think it is fixed - about 20h ago someone reprted the same issue first, right after he updated his build and said it works alright again |
22:06:50 | markun | jimbobuk: turning on dircache can help if you browse alot |
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22:07:35 | jimbobuk | great, jdgordon seemed to think it was his fault, and his fix.. so i'm hopeful.. as i followed the guide i wasn't really clear that i was getting the latest cutting edge build, i assumed it was some last stable version.. |
22:08:14 | markun | no, there is no stable version for the Gigabeat |
22:08:30 | markun | at least nothing with that label |
22:08:56 | jimbobuk | markun: yeah.. i turned on the runtime stats option the other night as well and wasn't sure if turning that on had caused the problem, think its fine... be intereted to see how that option works, i went into some view of it and all it had was something labeled 0 which had tracks inside |
22:09:30 | jimbobuk | markun: ahh ok, some other versions reached a milestone point though and had a build saved for people to try if they wanted a more guaranteed version. |
22:10:15 | * | ender` yawns |
22:11:16 | markun | jimbobuk: I personally wouldn't mind if there never was a rockbox release again |
22:11:47 | * | Bagder agrees |
22:11:49 | jimbobuk | markun: sure, when i get one i'm happy with i'm sure i'll think the same... take a backup as well whenever you update and u can rollback fairly easily if something dont work so well |
22:12:00 | Bagder | I use debian unstable release-less just fine |
22:12:12 | markun | same with FreeBSD here |
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22:12:30 | markun | somehow I always update at the worst times :) |
22:12:34 | jimbobuk | i've not even started looking into the non-official ports to get things like cover art working, be happy to just start it playing and working first |
22:12:40 | jimbobuk | :) i guess i did just that |
22:15:12 | jhMikeS | The gigabeat is little endian right? |
22:15:18 | markun | yes |
22:15:37 | markun | but we could switch if we wanted |
22:16:05 | Bagder | usually sub systems are fixed-endian so switching is painful |
22:16:55 | jhMikeS | ummm...I think it's ok if it stays constant :) |
22:17:11 | markun | yes, it would probably become a mess otherwise |
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22:22:02 | amiconn | Bagder: Re the debian unstable and just fine - what about those nasty binutils? |
22:22:43 | amiconn | That said, I'm using debian unstable myself... |
22:22:50 | Bagder | they're still nasty |
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22:23:40 | pixelma | LinusN: earlier Nico_P described problems with his H3x0 (I also read it only in the logs) - it reminded me of the issue pondlife had |
22:24:15 | LinusN | oh? |
22:24:45 | Nico_P | LinusN: yes, I've lost a sound channel |
22:25:06 | LinusN | could be the 1380 |
22:25:08 | Nico_P | the right one is mute on both the headphone socket and the line out |
22:25:56 | Nico_P | LinusN: is there something to be done about it ? |
22:26:25 | LinusN | well, i replaced pondlife's UDA1380 |
22:26:32 | * | amiconn wonders what's up with the 1380, and hopes he won't be hit by that problem :/ |
22:28:40 | Nico_P | LinusN: what issues did pondlife have ? the same ? |
22:29:03 | LinusN | both channels lost iirc |
22:30:37 | Nico_P | how much work does a replacement involve ? |
22:30:48 | LinusN | Nico_P: i can do that, if you find a spare UDA1380 |
22:30:59 | LinusN | it is fairly complicated |
22:31:35 | Nico_P | are these expensive ? where can they be found ? |
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22:32:52 | LinusN | if you are lucky, you can get a sample from philips, else you have to rip one from another player |
22:33:33 | Nico_P | LinusN: hmm ok. Is it possible that it could have been damaged by misuse of one of the line in/out jacks ? |
22:33:46 | LinusN | ESD perhaps |
22:34:05 | Nico_P | ESD ? |
22:34:13 | LinusN | electrostatic discharge |
22:34:37 | Nico_P | ah yes maybe |
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22:35:30 | Nico_P | my brother wanted to try recording his guitar. He doesn't remember whether he plugged the jack in the line in or the line out and says the reocrding source was set on the internal mic |
22:35:51 | Nico_P | he thinks he caused it |
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22:42:01 | LinusN | possibly |
22:42:25 | LinusN | Nico_P: see if you can find a broken H-series player you can rip the UDA1380 from |
22:42:43 | LinusN | then i can help you with the transplant |
22:43:04 | LinusN | gtg |
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22:54:52 | johny | hallo |
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22:55:35 | TrueJournals | hey |
22:56:01 | webguest92 | hi i got a QUESTION CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHY THE MPEG PLAYER ON MY IPOD VIDEO DOESNT WORK ANY MORE? |
22:56:18 | TrueJournals | First, please don't type in all capital letters. |
22:56:25 | webguest92 | yeah sorry |
22:56:29 | bluebrother | I can't answer screaming questions. |
22:56:31 | webguest92 | didnt mean to |
22:56:32 | TrueJournals | Second, can you be a bit more specific? How is it not working? |
22:56:59 | webguest92 | i wasnt trying to scream i pushed the caps lock by accident. soory |
22:57:30 | webguest92 | yeah i cant watch movies on rockbox anymore. |
22:57:33 | webguest92 | why? |
22:57:55 | bluebrother | depends on. |
22:57:59 | TrueJournals | That's not really more specific |
22:58:01 | bluebrother | do you get an error message? |
22:58:22 | webguest92 | ok i can;t watch movies anymore it doesnt play them can you help? |
22:58:33 | webguest92 | no i just cant play them/ |
22:58:35 | bluebrother | not unless you tell me the exact problem |
22:58:38 | TrueJournals | What happens when you select a movie to play it? |
22:58:42 | TrueJournals | Does it just do nothing? |
22:58:43 | bluebrother | did the videos work before? |
22:59:01 | webguest92 | that is the problem. i click on the movie but it doesn't play. |
22:59:08 | webguest92 | yeah they worked. |
22:59:13 | webguest92 | not anymore. |
22:59:22 | bluebrother | and what did you do in between? |
22:59:30 | webguest92 | what do you mean? |
22:59:47 | bluebrother | it worked, and now it doesn't work anymore. What did you do to your installation? |
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23:00:06 | webguest92 | before i just copied the movies to its drive. then i played them. i cant do that anymore. |
23:00:23 | bluebrother | did you made any changes to your installation? |
23:00:31 | webguest92 | nope. |
23:00:55 | bluebrother | what build are you using? Tried updating to the most recent current build? |
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23:01:41 | webguest92 | sorry i'm at school and i got to go. thank you for the help!!! : ) |
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23:10:51 | johny | can someone help me? |
23:11:11 | toffe82 | just ask |
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23:11:26 | toffe82 | your question |
23:12:33 | johny | i have on my ipod video 5g podzilla with the ipodloader 2 installed |
23:13:00 | johny | and i have the cracked ipod firmware for the games on my ipod |
23:13:24 | Bagder | that sounds like ipod linux stuff |
23:13:28 | Bagder | this is #rockbox |
23:13:35 | johny | an my loader.cfg is like that |
23:13:39 | bluebrother | and we don't support IPL's Loader2 |
23:14:03 | johny | Apple OS@ramimg |
23:14:04 | johny | Rockbox@(hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
23:14:06 | johny | iPodLinux@(hd0,2)/linux.bin |
23:14:08 | johny | Disk Mode@diskmode |
23:14:09 | johny | Reboot@reboot |
23:14:10 | johny | Sleep@standby |
23:14:12 | johny | bg_color=(0,255,0) |
23:14:13 | johny | hilight_color=(255,180,0) |
23:14:18 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
23:14:18 | bluebrother | pastebin ... |
23:14:23 | johny | sry |
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23:14:37 | johny | but rockbox dont start |
23:14:44 | bluebrother | plus, we don't support Loader2. Ask the guys who wrote it. |
23:14:53 | bluebrother | or use the Rockbox bootloader. |
23:15:05 | Bagder | you need some special ninja version of that loader for it to be able to load rockbox |
23:15:10 | johny | but then i can only boot apple os und rockbox |
23:15:17 | Bagder | no |
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23:15:24 | bluebrother | that is wrong, but undocumented ;) |
23:15:35 | * | bluebrother boots IPL using the Rockbox bootloader |
23:16:15 | johny | how can i xhange betwenn apple os ipl and rockbox? |
23:16:32 | bluebrother | put the kernel on the fat partition |
23:16:36 | bluebrother | name it "linux.bin" |
23:16:46 | bluebrother | then hold Play upon boot. |
23:17:24 | johny | and for apple os the hold grope |
23:17:45 | * | bluebrother thinks we should document that function |
23:17:58 | johny | are you a developer |
23:18:00 | johny | ? |
23:18:16 | bluebrother | not exactly |
23:18:28 | johny | what then? |
23:18:45 | bluebrother | don't know ... manual developer? |
23:19:01 | johny | ho help rockbox |
23:19:05 | johny | write etc |
23:19:10 | johny | programmer |
23:20:09 | johny | what is the special ninja version? |
23:20:19 | bluebrother | ask the IPL guys. |
23:20:31 | bluebrother | I don't know (and am not interested in it) |
23:21:14 | johny | and whrer can i find them |
23:21:49 | bluebrother | <repeat mode>I don't know (and am not interested in it)</repeat mode> |
23:22:04 | johny | when comes rockipedia |
23:22:22 | bluebrother | when it comes. |
23:22:28 | bluebrother | we don't estimate time frames. |
23:23:44 | johny | an with the new dict plugin i can watch wikipedi? |
23:24:05 | linuxstb | johny: Obvious question, but did you extract the rockbox.zip file to your FAT32 partition, and do you have a rockbox.ipod file in a .rockbox folder? |
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23:25:20 | johny | yes i have |
23:25:44 | johny | but when i dont have the cracked apple firmware then it works! |
23:25:56 | johny | with it dint work |
23:26:11 | bluebrother | what is there to crack about AppleOS? |
23:26:19 | linuxstb | Saying "didn't work" doesn't give us anything to go on... |
23:26:23 | johny | drm hack |
23:26:58 | johny | for the games |
23:27:00 | johny | .. |
23:27:37 | johny | how can I write plugin for rockbox box? |
23:27:54 | bluebrother | read the wiki ... |
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23:28:37 | bluebrother | and ask specific questions if there are any |
23:28:40 | linuxstb | johny: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex (especially the "For Developers" section, and the guide to writing plugins) |
23:30:42 | johny | thanks |
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23:32:30 | johny | in which language plugis are written? |
23:32:41 | johny | c or c++ |
23:32:53 | bluebrother | Rockbox is written in c |
23:32:59 | bluebrother | so you need c for plugins |
23:33:11 | johny | hmm...dont well |
23:33:20 | johny | i cant c but c++ |
23:33:37 | linuxstb | If you can program C++, I'm sure you can manage C |
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23:35:57 | johny | why never write a calc plugin with better gui |
23:36:31 | linuxstb | No-one has cared enough to do it |
23:36:59 | johny | but I11 |
23:39:08 | johny | with the new dict plugin wikipedia work on rockbox? |
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23:40:13 | johny | can i ask where you from? |
23:40:46 | linuxstb | yes |
23:41:07 | johny | where you from? |
23:41:43 | linuxstb | The UK |
23:41:51 | johny | whats that? |
23:42:05 | linuxstb | The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland |
23:42:30 | johny | AAAh |
23:42:36 | johny | iam from germany |
23:42:49 | bluebrother | it's sometimes abbreviated as "GB" here :) |
23:42:59 | linuxstb | bluebrother: But incorrectly :) |
23:43:23 | bluebrother | yes, but I'm not in the UK ... so most people don't know |
23:43:42 | linuxstb | Most people in the UK don't get it right either |
23:43:42 | bluebrother | I'm in the same country as johny −− but not using t-offline *g* |
23:44:07 | bluebrother | (unless I got the hostname wrong) |
23:44:20 | johny | lol |
23:44:29 | johny | kannst du deutsch? |
23:44:39 | johny | sag mal was |
23:44:49 | bluebrother | not in this channel as it is an english spoken one. |
23:45:10 | johny | i dont thin you are from germany.. |
23:45:20 | bluebrother | doch, bin ich *fg* |
23:45:25 | johny | aha^^ |
23:45:45 | johny | are you registret at the rockbox lounge? |
23:45:56 | bluebrother | yes. |
23:46:14 | johny | do you know the rockboxcast? |
23:46:24 | johny | im a mod |
23:46:25 | bluebrother | has there been one released yet? |
23:46:32 | johny | no^^ |
23:46:36 | johny | not yet |
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23:47:19 | bluebrother | I'm still waiting for the first ;-) |
23:47:21 | johny | we have problems witch the design.. |
23:49:28 | bluebrother | I just saw that ... looks awful on XGA resolution |
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23:51:05 | johny | i go sleep |
23:51:07 | johny | bb |
23:51:34 | johny | a question @ bluebrother |
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23:51:44 | bluebrother | ? |
23:51:48 | johny | why you know my isp |
23:51:59 | bluebrother | hint: whois. |
23:52:07 | johny | aah |
23:52:16 | bluebrother | your IP isn't cloaked, and it's easy to guess the ISP from that ;-) |
23:52:45 | linuxstb | johny: I saw your hostname when you joined the channel.. |
23:53:02 | linuxstb | ...t-dialin.net |
23:53:18 | TrueJournals | "johny is n=chatzill@p5B1557D7.dip.t-dialin.net (New Now Know How)" |
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23:53:31 | johny | why i dont se your |
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23:53:48 | bluebrother | issue the whois command, and if you don't get one it's cloaked. |
23:53:52 | bluebrother | (like mine) |
23:54:08 | johny | how can i cloake |
23:54:26 | gursikh | god I would love a /rockbox/user/ cloak |
23:54:31 | jimbobuk | do folks tend to put their music in folders that is just artist-album, or do you go for a nested artist/album |
23:54:40 | jimbobuk | i worry i may hit the max num items in a directory |
23:54:50 | jimbobuk | though with flac on a 40gig drive i guess thats not really an issue |
23:54:55 | scorche | you either become affiliated with a group or you go ask freenode staff for an unaffiliated one |
23:54:57 | linuxstb | jimbobuk: I think most people use artist/album, or even genre/artist/album |
23:55:16 | scorche | gursikh: we decided not to have one...we like cloaks to be special ;) |
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23:55:23 | gursikh | I know :-( |
23:55:25 | bluebrother | johny, you need to get a cloak ... you can get an unaffiliated cloak by freenode |
23:55:34 | jimbobuk | are most using the file view or the database view.. i take it the later is perfectly stable and just as quick, if not quicker? |
23:55:35 | gursikh | maybe i'll register rockboxx :-P |
23:55:41 | bluebrother | the main use of cloaks is to identify people of a project more easily |
23:55:50 | | Nick Yoss is now known as soccerbap (n=chatzill@c-24-15-77-132.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
23:56:07 | scorche | gursikh: but then you would be imposing on freenode namespace |
23:56:24 | bluebrother | so I can /who rockbox/developer/* and get a list of all (registered) devs that are online. |
23:56:27 | soccerbap | hi |
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23:57:01 | pixelma | bluebrother: speaking of hostnames... I always wanted to ask you if you've ever met Rincewind in person...? |
23:57:06 | gursikh | scorche, just joking :-P Just love to have one cause I love rockbox |
23:57:09 | soccerbap | ok |
23:57:17 | soccerbap | so I did a search of old irc logs |
23:57:19 | bluebrother | pixelma, not yet −− but I know he's at my city ... |
23:57:22 | soccerbap | AND I checked the forums |
23:57:26 | soccerbap | so please don't think I'm a n00b |
23:57:28 | soccerbap | but |
23:57:38 | scorche | gursikh: then become a dev and you will get one ;) |
23:57:44 | * | gursikh runs away |
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23:57:56 | pixelma | yeah - iirc he sometimes locks in from uni too |
23:58:02 | soccerbap | my ihp-140 keeps giving me a "codec not found" error |
23:58:14 | pixelma | s/locks/logs |
23:58:27 | soccerbap | and the .rockbox directory is unbrowsable (shows up as corrupt) from explorer when connected |
23:58:41 | linuxstb | soccerbap: Do you still have a rockbox.iriver file in the root of your disk and an old bootloader? |
23:58:55 | soccerbap | linux - checking |