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#rockbox log for 2007-05-03

00:00:06soccerbapits only the .rockbox directory thats fucked
00:00:16soccerbapI can even play media in other folers
00:01:01soccerbapweird
00:01:04linuxstbCan you delete or rename the .rockbox folder?
00:01:08soccerbapnope
00:01:10soccerbaptried
00:01:24a1titudecheck the permissions
00:01:27soccerbapmy question is, besides a format, any suggestions?
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00:01:45a1titudetry and delete it and unzip a fresh one! :p
00:02:00jimbobukasked earlier, but does anyone just use flacs on a gigabeat... what kind of battery life are you seeing?
00:02:17linuxstbsoccerbap: It sounds more like a windows issue than Rockbox though...
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00:03:01soccerbaplinux - how is that possible, it plays in windows, doesn't work when dc'd
00:03:16soccerbapand every folder but rockbox itself is accessable
00:03:23soccerbapI can't check the .rockbox permissions btw
00:03:31soccerbapit just locks up when I click on it
00:03:33soccerbapso weird
00:03:41soccerbapbut everything else works great
00:03:47soccerbap(in windows)
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00:05:09soccerbapok, wait finally got to permissions
00:05:12soccerbapit was read only for some reason
00:05:17soccerbapbut its showing up as 0 bytes
00:05:20soccerbap0 folders
00:05:28soccerbapso I'm gonna delete if possible
00:05:52bluebrotherrun chkdsk /f
00:06:11soccerbapblue - already did, i'll give it one more shot though
00:06:48bluebrothermake sure you added the /f flag. I also found chkdsk running better than scandisk
00:06:54bluebrotherhth
00:07:13linuxstbjimbobuk: This page may help - battery runtimes on various iriver players, including MP3 and FLAC - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime
00:08:13soccerbapallright
00:08:16soccerbaprunning it with the /f flag
00:08:18soccerbapthanks
00:09:21soccerbapoho!
00:09:34soccerbapit got rid of the entry
00:09:37soccerbapsweet
00:09:48soccerbapI'll re-unzip and hopefully that'll fix it
00:09:55soccerbapthanks a ton
00:10:06linuxstbjimbobuk: A rough estimate is that you might get around 12-13 hours of FLAC playback. But a test is needed...
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00:12:09soccerbapconvert lost chains to files? (never seen this before)
00:12:16soccerbapgonna try "y"
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00:12:23bluebrotheryou most likely want to do this
00:12:44soccerbapnm
00:12:47soccerbapgonna replace em anyways
00:12:54soccerbapah, have the space
00:13:05soccerbapcool
00:13:09soccerbapfixed a bunch of garbage
00:13:13soccerbapnow lets see if its workable
00:13:24jimbobuklinuxstb: thanks, i may try and use that test program, it logs it doesn't it so when it dies the disk knows how long it managed to play
00:13:31linuxstbYes.
00:13:48peturunless you need to recover data from it, converting lost chains is useless
00:14:22bluebrotherhmm. But if the lost chains aren't marked as empty?
00:14:34bluebrotheri.e. the clusters in the found chains?
00:15:48peturthe fat is always repaired, it's just a matter of throwing the leftovers away or creating files for them
00:16:07soccerbapyeah
00:16:10bluebrotherhow is it always repaired?
00:16:12soccerbaplooked up the question on microsoft
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00:16:19soccerbapits just junk you can put in a file or trash
00:16:28soccerbapoh - rebuilding database
00:16:30peturlost clusters are clusters not assigned to a file
00:16:31bluebrotheris that done by windows on startup?
00:16:34soccerbapthings seem to be running smoothly
00:16:57bluebrothersure, but if you e.g. loose the dir entry the clusters will still form a file and get marked as used
00:17:10bluebrotherunless you detect that issue and free them
00:17:33peturafaik, if you don't tell it to convert to files, it just frees them
00:17:55bluebrotherah −− just had that idea.
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00:18:09bluebrotherhaven't thought of that before ;-)
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00:24:18a1titudedoes anyone know the current status of the 80GB ipod?
00:24:31bluebrotherthe forums know.
00:24:42peturthe wiki knows too
00:25:28a1titudeAll I can find out there is that is been put on hiatus, due to demands on developers time I mean what has been done so far?
00:26:36peturcheck todays irc log, it knows abit about it too
00:26:52peturwell, yesterdays log
00:27:00petur2 april
00:27:07pixelmamay ?
00:27:09peturer may
00:27:36peturtime flies like an arrow
00:27:50peturfruit flies like a banana
00:27:53a1titudehaha thanks
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00:35:32a1titudehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6549/edit so its just ne FAT drive needed to be written then now I take it.
00:35:47a1titude(What am I saying "just") haha
00:36:12bluebrotherthe wiki has the IpodEightyGB page with some information
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00:39:35a1titudethanks
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00:47:50jimbobukok the updated version of rockbox seems to have fixed my playlist problem
00:47:52jimbobukbrilliant
00:48:23jimbobukhowever i added a pile of flac albums on there, and am just updating the database, it seems to have got stuck.. been at 1594 found for a long time now
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00:48:58jimbobukcan't feel the hdd doing anything, any thoughts? any way of tracking down if it got stuck on a particular files tags
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01:30:38peturhmmm... rockboxdev.sh ran exactly 20 minutes for 'all' :)
01:30:55jimbobukok i think the database is not updating a file its previously scanned that i've since changed the tags of..
01:31:08jimbobukthey're still coming up as untagged yet as they're playing u can see they are tagged
01:31:16jimbobukcan i just delete the database files in .rockbox
01:31:24jimbobukand let it create them fresh next boot?
01:31:51jimbobukor is there an option to force a full rebuild, or delete the db inside rockbox
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01:37:28jimbobukahh initialise now seemed to do the trick :)
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03:15:09saratogacould someone clarify if the MacOS HFS+ -> FAT32 ipod conversion guide wipes out the retail OS?
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03:26:48GKCHey, does anyone know if I can use an iPod with rockbox installed with an apple A/V kit thing that plugs in to the bottom slot?
03:26:59GKCUniversal dock, I mean
03:27:24hcsit depends on the device, I don't know about the specific one you mention
03:28:28GKCDo you know about any others that might be similar? This one is made by apple. The ipod plugs into the dock through the bottom slot, and from that dock you can have an A/V cord that plugs into output devices and stuff, and you can charge it.
03:28:57hcshere is the relevant wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
03:29:27GKCalright, thanks
03:29:51hcsthe video I'm pretty sure doesn't work
03:30:05hcsbut the audio out and power supply probably will
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03:31:50GKCYeah, that'll be just fine, I don't usually have enough space for videos anyway
03:34:13GKCthanks for the help i'm out
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03:36:12Yannniso i just updated for the first time and like a year and now my wps i made no longer works... so what has changed?
03:36:24linuxstbsaratoga: (If you read the logs) - No, the conversion from HFS to FAT32 leaves the Apple firmware intact - a working AppleOS is a prerequisite for ipodpatcher to be able to install a bootloader.
03:37:14linuxstbYannni: The WPS parser is now much stricter, so check that your WPS is correct.
03:37:52Yannnilike what could be wrong.. im not sure what to look for
03:38:44linuxstbMaybe conditionals not being closed properly. If you use the new "−−debugwps" option with the simulator, that can help
03:39:22Yannnihmm is there a link to some new insctuctions?
03:40:02linuxstbNot really, and I'm far from an expert in WPSs...
03:40:40linuxstbMaybe if you wait, someone who knows more than me will help you.
03:40:45Yannnidarn they used to be so easy even i could do it lol
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03:41:12linuxstbThe syntax is the same, it's just that Rockbox is less tolerant of mistakes
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03:41:41linuxstbI'm assuming by "not works" you mean it isn't loading?
03:41:50Yannniyeah
03:42:14Yannnii go to load it and it stays on the default one
03:43:16linuxstbThen the problem will be something wrong in your WPS. You could try removing some lines (especially the complicated ones) and see if you can get it to load.
03:43:33Yannnik
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03:43:57linuxstbIt could jus tbe something trivial like a missing > sign.
03:44:26Yannniyeah it probably is
03:45:16Yannnii remember freezing rockbox a few times when i was trying to make it a long time ago
03:46:00Yannnioh yeah i accidently turned on the database... is there a way to delete what i did cause i dont plan on using it
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04:52:19Yannnifixed my wps.. had some extra spaces here and there
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07:05:57toffe82hello
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07:06:45RevelationSorry about that.
07:07:09RevelationI was just curious about the Status of Rockbox and the Sansa e200R
07:07:17RevelationSince I haven't seen anything in the forums
07:07:48toffe82sorry I don't know
07:08:04scorchedoesnt work
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07:08:35gursikhhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port , but basically doesn't *work* yet
07:09:48RevelationI know already the E200 port works
07:09:56RevelationSo will the E200R will never work?
07:10:12Revelation*So the E200R will never work because of it's encryption?
07:10:13scorchei didnt say never, but it is a possibility
07:10:48RevelationHow is it a possibility?
07:11:01scorchehow isnt it?
07:11:16RevelationHold on
07:11:18scorcheuntil something is done, there is always a possibility it will never get done
07:11:44Revelation"We have not yet managed to replace the bootloader, to make it load our custom mi4 file." - Is this particular line referring to the e200R models or just the e200 model?
07:11:58scorcheR of course
07:12:14RevelationSo it is possible to load it up
07:12:18RevelationI just won't work.
07:12:35Revelation*It
07:12:55scorchewhat do you mean by "load it up"
07:14:16RevelationWell, never mind about that previous line I stated
07:14:25RevelationIt's not going to work at all on a E200R, right?
07:14:39scorcheright
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07:17:49RevelationHas there been any progress made on the R series?
07:17:58scorcheno
07:18:03scorchenot recently
07:19:11RevelationShoot.
07:19:46amiconnWell, it won't start working magically
07:20:15amiconnSomeone with enough time and knowledge who has an E200R needs to make it work
07:20:24amiconnThat just didn't happen so far
07:20:56RevelationI have a E200R, unfortunately...
07:21:01RevelationI don't know how to program.
07:21:19scorchegood chance to learn
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07:41:11JdGordonhey all
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08:04:55pearldiverGigabeat: Separate driver for audio codec
08:04:56pearldiverhmm
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08:26:15*JdGordon 's h300 runing time... 102h 55m !
08:30:32amiconnNever reset properly, eh?
08:30:51amiconnIt should reset if the charger is plugged in while rockbox is running
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08:35:58JdGordonno, had it charging and runing for the last few days.. so its real
08:36:06JdGordonno crashes or anything which is nice
08:36:39amiconnAs long as the charger is plugged, the runtime counter should stay at 0:00.... 'cause it's for counting *battery* runtime...
08:37:28JdGordonthen there is a problem :p
08:37:32*amiconn already suspected that a bug slipped into the runtime logic :(
08:38:43JdGordoniirc that screen just converts the current_tick value to a time
08:39:09amiconnIf it does, then it's very wrong
08:39:58amiconnIt used to store both runtime and top runtime in the config block, and keep on counting from the stored value on boot
08:40:28amiconnPlugging the charger clamped it to zero as long as it stayed plugged
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08:46:10amiconnHmm, the runtime reset is still there, but only in the viewer
08:46:19amiconnThat cannot work properly...
08:48:44amiconnIt used to be handled elsewhere, but I can't remember where... :(
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08:50:48amiconnProbably the settings code
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09:02:32amiconnhi LinusN :)
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09:15:12scorcheB4gder: new hostmask?
09:15:34B4gderyeah, at a new customer's place now for a while forward
09:15:54scorchedoing anything exciting?
09:16:44B4gderlinux hacking on an RFID-reader, running ARM9 core (in an at91rm9200). drivers, apps, and stuff
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09:17:12scorchejees...an ARM9 in an RFID-reader?
09:17:27scorcheseems a bit much
09:17:52B4gdernah, it is supposed to be able to run native apps and allow customers to design and build their own apps to run within the unit
09:17:59scorcheah
09:18:00B4gderwith web server, db and all
09:18:12scorchenvm then =P
09:18:36B4gder:-)
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09:19:12intgrI bet they need 128MB RAM to run Java on it.
09:19:21B4gderno java, 32MB ram here
09:19:36intgr32MB, crazy!
09:19:42scorcheintgr: please dont use those kind of words in here
09:19:45B4gderlots of spare room
09:20:17intgrscorche: Sorry, I didn't know profanities were disallowed here.
09:20:22scorchethey are
09:20:30scorchethe one used in this case was "Java"
09:20:40B4gderI prefer straight "coffee"
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09:42:15jhMikeSdo we not have a stack for FIQ or something?
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09:43:58jhMikeSeh, what I said makes no sense...ignore please :)
09:44:03B4gdertomorrow night, euro time, the svn/build server is moving
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09:45:05B4gderSlasheri: here?
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09:45:26B4gderSlasheri:
09:45:26B4gdersvn: Can't open file '.svn/lock': Disk quota exceeded
09:47:14B4gdermaybe I should make the build master clean up more after builds to reduce the disk usage
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10:07:04SlasheriB4gder: on xen or ihme?
10:07:17B4gderxen
10:07:31B4gderI logged in as rbclient on your hosts and poked a bit on them
10:07:35B4gderI hope you didn't mind
10:07:46Slasheriah, file quota was too low
10:07:51B4gderihme didn't have the svn repo checked out
10:07:53Slasherithat's ok
10:08:04Slasherifor ihme the same password should work as well
10:08:16B4gderyes
10:08:23Slasherinow file quota has been increased
10:08:36B4gderI checked my local repo and it is now at some 1.8GB in ~rbclient
10:08:57B4gdergoodie
10:09:47Slasheriand now something to eat, let's hope it will work again ->
10:20:47johnywork rockbox on an ext2 partition??
10:20:59markunjohny: no
10:20:59B4gderno
10:21:03johnyok
10:21:13markunfat-32 only
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10:53:56peturyuck... did a recursive add to playlist while playing music and got a solid freeze :(
10:54:22B4gderugha
10:54:47peturand it's reproducable :(
10:55:19*petur downloads latest svn
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11:00:12peturmmm seems to work ok with svn... was using my first build made on linux :/
11:02:13crwljep
11:03:41*petur blames linux :)
11:04:31peturI knew it... building the crosscompilers in 20 minutes, it must have taken a shortcut somewhere
11:04:40B4gderhaha
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11:26:28amiconnB4gder: Re build cleanup - what about running 'make clean' afterwards? It'd be done before the next build anyway
11:26:46amiconnWill be a little bit more complicated with background transfer though
11:27:25B4gderyeah, was thinking perhaps a single "wipe" command at the end of the build round
11:27:46B4gder"rm -f masterlog* && rm -rf build-*"
11:32:37amiconnThat would still take as much disk space as now during build (i.e. all builds + ccache)
11:32:39B4gderlunch
11:32:49B4gderno, now it saves _all_ builds
11:32:54B4gder59 build trees
11:32:57amiconnIt'sno issue for me, my box has enough disk space...
11:33:07B4gdera "normal" build round is hardly more than 11 for the fastest ones
11:33:22B4gderbbl
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11:56:29*jhMikeS spots obsolete code in arm/crt0(_pp).S
11:58:01markunnooo!!
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11:58:22markunjhMikeS: good day btw :)
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11:59:59jhMikeSmarkun: we don't need the fiq_handler branch routine since it's set explicitly in set_fiq_handler and that's only needed if it must be changed, for recording basically
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12:01:00markundo we use fast interrupts for anything on the Gigabeat?
12:01:09jhMikeSyes, for playback
12:01:43linuxstbDoes it use DMA, or the same function as the PP chips?
12:01:49jhMikeSbut set_fiq_handler just sets it to vector straight to fiq anyway
12:01:54jhMikeSit's DMA
12:02:06linuxstbOK, so the DMA interrupt is a FIQ?
12:02:07jhMikeSand the PP chips don't even use the branch routine
12:02:15jhMikeSit's tied to that
12:03:25jhMikeSanother gcc bug got me looking because gcc botches stack handling in a fiq apparently and I made some local variables that compelled stack use
12:07:02linuxstbFor the gigabeat or the Sansa?
12:07:31jhMikeSall...it's all the same
12:07:43linuxstbWe don't want to use the stack on PP...
12:08:02linuxstbThe FIQ handler was crafted to avoid stack use unless called the get_more function.
12:09:04jhMikeSwell, it still vectors directy to the routine there, on gigabeat it should just use the stack really...it's up to the fiq implementation
12:09:42jhMikeSpoint is that fiq_handler is never used since set_fiq_handler changes it to use fiq directly
12:11:19preglowchanged since i wrote that, then
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12:11:58jhMikeSI think it got added with pp recording
12:12:57johnygets rockboxX more bootloader sometime the GUI
12:19:50jhMikeSsweet, if I just use my own prologue/epilogue it works with stack vars :)
12:20:15linuxstbjohny: Is that a question?
12:20:27johnyYES
12:20:39johnybut im not sure rhat its corecrly written
12:21:26linuxstbjohny: It isn't...
12:21:46johnyi want to know rockbox bootlaoder vecame a gui
12:21:51johnybecame
12:22:01scorcheif it became or will it become?
12:22:18linuxstbjohny: The Rockbox bootloader doesn't have a GUI and it is unlikely to ever have one.
12:22:46scorcheif you want a GUI, use the IPL loader, however, keep in mind that it is unsupported by us
12:22:54johnyok
12:23:19johnycan you hgelp me with the ipl?
12:23:29johnyi cant laod rockbox from
12:23:41scorcheread the second half of that statement
12:23:56johny it is unsupported by us
12:24:16scorchemeaning we will not help you with it, as we did not write it
12:24:38johnyok
12:25:15scorchego to #ipodlinux for help with it...i see you went in there earlier
12:25:27johnyget you money for programm rockbox?
12:25:41markunno, not really
12:25:55johnywhy not
12:26:02scorchewho would pay us?
12:26:04johnyrockbox have 3 sponsors!?
12:26:16scorchethey help us with hosting, etc
12:26:17desowinare you one johny ?
12:26:37johnywhere
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12:26:56desowinone of sponosrs ;-)
12:27:06johnyno^^
12:27:52markunjohny: but we get some donation money from happy users which we use for rockbox related things like buying beer :)
12:28:08johnyaah..
12:28:16desowinjohny: according to iPL, you just need to add rockbox to loader.cfg, look at ipodlinux wiki
12:28:35johnyi already done it but it not work
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12:28:48johnyRockbox@(hd0,1)/rockbox.ipod
12:28:53desowinRockbox @ (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
12:29:17desowinfew weeks ago location of rockbox.ipod changed
12:29:33johnyii have bothe try
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12:30:54johnybut i have ipl 2.4
12:31:00johnyan the new is 2.5
12:31:18johnyand i ont understand how can i install or update ipl
12:31:31scorchedesowin: if you are going to support it, can you do it in #ipodlinux or PMs please?
12:31:44desowinok
12:32:28johnywhy so strictly
12:32:51desowinit's rockbox channel, not ipodlinux
12:33:00scorchejohny: read the first link in the topic and it will explain it
12:33:09desowinjohny: check pm
12:33:31johnydesowin Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
12:34:00scorchethen join #ipodlinux or some other channel
12:34:03*scorche shrugs
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12:38:26markunlinuxstb: maybe you should reply? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10240.0
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12:43:51linuxstbmarkun: I haven't got there yet... I've been too busy to go and buy a screwdriver.
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12:47:10GodEateranyone got time to take a quick look at some pseudo-code I knocked up for handling reads on the 80GB iPod ? −−> http://pastebin.ca/468773
12:49:41GodEaterclearly I left out the meat and bones to it - that's just the logic for determining where to start the read from, where to finish, and how to return that to the calling code (presumably the fat driver)
12:51:24GodEaterthere's also probably a more efficient way of doing the checks on odd/even, perhaps with something like : if(start & 1 == 1) ?
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13:01:38lachlanGodEater: Maybe LinusN would be interested in the code, I remember he was one of the devs concerned with the 80GB port
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13:03:09GodEateryeah I was discussing the approach with him and amiconn yesterday
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13:03:50spiorfjust to know, what's different in the 80gb ipod so that the 60 gb version don't work?
13:04:07GodEaterspiorf: it's the other way round - the 80GB doesn't work - the 60GB does
13:04:34GodEaterspiorf: also - here's the wiki page I wrote describing the issue : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodEightyGB
13:05:51spiorfGodEater, i know that, it's a language issue
13:06:08spiorfi meant the other way round :)
13:06:11GodEaterspiorf: yes sorry - I re-read what you wrote and understood what you meant now ;)
13:06:54GodEateralthough I should probably update that page again now - I've decided to leave the FAT driver alone, and try the fix just in the ATA code
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13:07:21GodEaterit was the approach amiconn favoured too
13:10:31spiorfit was really necessary for apple's people to change to 1024 bytes units? ot it was just an "hey, let's change the unit size!" without reason?
13:10:49GodEaterto be fair, it wasn't them that changed - it was Toshiba
13:11:14GodEaterand it's a change that's been brewing for a while - large sectors are more efficient use of large disks
13:11:25GodEaterI suspect we'll see it in more and more drives soon
13:17:12JdGordonI wonder if reading a much larger block than even the 1024bytes would be usefull for all targets anyway... assuming most reads have some sort of block contiuity...
13:18:14LinusNGodEater: looks insanely inefficient, to read the whole thing into a temporary buffer first and then memcpy() to the real buffer
13:19:23GodEaterLinusN: right - I'll rethink it then
13:19:57LinusNbetter handle the first and/or last sector separately
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13:22:31amiconnJdGordon: It would not be useful unless more than one of those much larger blocks are cached, and the system is then used for those parts which are currently read one by one (FAT, directory)
13:22:49amiconnAnd it would only make sense on targets with lots of RAM to spare
13:24:43LinusNi'd say that all targets with 16megs or more has ram to spare
13:24:49B4gderamen
13:25:41*amiconn would think that it would only make sense on 32MB targets, or even more
13:27:15LinusNyou could have a FAT cache of 250K and have a hard time to measure a battery time difference, especially since the FAT code would be faster
13:30:31B4gderwouldn't it be an ATA cache?
13:30:52LinusNno
13:31:31B4gderbut what about when MrX wants to implement a different fs?
13:32:08LinusNthen i'm sure that filesystem has other interseting things to cache
13:32:22GodEaterI thought we'd never accept another FS anyway ?
13:32:51B4gderI don't see why we couldn't, if done nicely
13:33:04amiconnI don't see why we should
13:33:10JdGordonhfs+ would be nice...
13:33:22JdGordonbut yeah, there is no real need for another fs
13:33:25B4gderI'm not saying there is a very good motive atm
13:33:36B4gderI'm mostly talking about a possible future
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13:34:28LinusNB4gder: i say we deal with that then
13:34:33B4gderyeah
13:34:47B4gderand now I say commit something darn it
13:34:57*B4gder wants to see 16 build servers in use
13:35:07LinusNi can make the build table red if you want :-)
13:35:29B4gderyou updated your debian box? :-)
13:35:44LinusNi have to update it?
13:35:46JdGordonbut anyway.. wouldnt the cache in ATA work better anyway? just read 16kb from the requested block and then store a fair few of them LRU?
13:35:58B4gderLinusN: yes, if you want your sdl builds to go red on it
13:36:07LinusNaha :-)
13:36:11B4gderthe native ld in debian unstable goes boom
13:36:18LinusNlovely
13:36:31B4gderindeed, that's loveliness defined
13:37:04B4gderbtw, I vote for removing the #warning in thread.c
13:37:28JdGordonkeep it.. it will hurry jhMikeS with his fix
13:37:48B4gderhe's looking into it?
13:38:24JdGordoniirc he's got something closer to working... the 5002 is still causing problems but not as much.. or something?
13:38:43B4gderok, then I'll let it rest for a while
13:38:48preglowditch the flaming 5002!
13:39:05B4gderyeah
13:39:11B4gderit's not like we'
13:39:18B4gderre anywhere near good functionality on that
13:40:18amiconn5020, not 5002
13:40:32JdGordonor... why not drop that one back to single core?
13:40:42amiconnAnd the 5020 is used on quite a number of targets
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13:47:36*amiconn thinks that making rockbox work properly on PP5002 would be more fun than making it work on those overpowered targets like the gigabeat
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13:49:29*GodEater thinks amiconn has a warped idea of "fun"
13:49:43preglowit'd be more challenging, not necessarily more fun
13:50:04amiconnNo challenge == no fun
13:50:23preglowi'd rather _use_ an overpowered target than something old and crummy with less possibilities
13:50:59preglowoptimising codecs is challenging, but not necessarily fun...
13:50:59*amiconn rather uses something user friendly
13:51:09amiconnThat excludes the ipods though
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13:51:43amiconn...and most, if not all, color targets, for me anyway
13:52:09LinusNno pain, no gain :-)
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13:53:11preglownah, if my choice of rockbox dev target was between an older more restricted target, and a newer more capable one, i'd go for the latter in a heartbeat
13:53:25GodEaterLinusN: would moving the handling of the first / last sector stuff into copy_read_sectors() make more sense then in your opinion (I'm struggling to see how to do it otherwise)
13:53:51preglowsure, it's fun to squeeze performance out of something restricted, but it's also fun to develop new stuff without having to bloody optimise it for weeks just to have it working
13:54:18preglowin an ideal world, everything would be optimised to the last cycle, but this surely isn't one of those worlds
13:54:33B4gderworld 2.0 is gonna be great!
13:54:37preglowsurely is
13:54:43*preglow looks forward to all the free beer
13:54:46GodEaterB4gder: that's just marketing hype :)
13:55:06bluebrotherhow about world 3.0 then?
13:55:12GodEatervaporware
13:55:16bluebrother:)
13:55:22GodEater;)
13:55:23preglowyou're saying we'll be living in the clouds?
13:55:23B4gder3.0 can never happen, we know that
13:55:32JdGordonworld 3.11 for workgroups ftw!
13:55:36GodEaterpreglow: that would be awesome
13:55:53GodEaterJdGordon: yeah, world 3.0 is likely to be very buggy
13:55:54bluebrotherworld NT 3.51 *g*
13:56:04GodEaterSP5
13:56:10bluebrotherwe surely need world 2007
13:56:21JdGordonna, they change te interface too much...
13:56:21B4gder"built on neanderthal technology" certainly fits
13:56:29GodEaterok - that's now exceeded my geek humour quotient for the day
13:56:44bluebrotherhehe ... I liked that startup screen by the time of NT4
13:56:58bluebrotherbtw, any plans on Rockbox 2007?
13:57:16B4gdertshirts!
13:57:22bluebrothergimme one!
13:57:44B4gderthey haven't arrived yet
13:58:03*bluebrother jumps around in the hope to catch one
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14:01:07LinusNGodEater: perhaps, but it might be necessary to handle it in ata_read_sectors() too, so you won't call copy_read_sectors() with an odd start sector repeatedly
14:03:01JdGordonanyone know how to use wc to get the line count total for a directory?
14:03:12amiconnIn ata_mmc.c the partial block stuff is handled in ata_read_sectors() / ata_write_sectors()
14:03:18GodEaterlinecount for all files you mean JdGordon ?
14:03:23JdGordonyep
14:03:52GodEaterI'd do it with a find -exec wc -l {} I think
14:04:13GodEateractually no that's stupid
14:04:30GodEatercat * | wc -l ?
14:04:43JdGordonsubdirs... :(
14:05:08GodEaterah
14:05:10GodEatererm
14:05:51bluebrothersum up the result with gawk
14:05:52Thundercloudwc -l `find . -name "*" | xargs`
14:06:07B4gdersloccount
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14:06:30bluebrotherbut sloccount counts the value of the sources too ;-)
14:07:03ThundercloudSeriously
14:07:05ThundercloudMy method works
14:07:09B4gderTotal Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 435,474
14:07:28bluebrotherhmm. Did't sloccount also count hidden folders?
14:07:30*JdGordon apt-getting sloccount
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14:07:35B4gderDevelopment Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 118.02 (1,416.19)
14:07:54B4gderTotal Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 15,942,336
14:08:01bluebrotherRockbox sources?
14:08:03B4gder:-)
14:08:05B4gderyes
14:08:27bluebrothertoo bad sloccount ca't do this for latex sources ;-)
14:08:28B4gderwell, I ran it in the root so it it includes rbutil, sim, tools etc
14:08:32GodEaterwe're at half a million lines of code ?!?!
14:09:38bluebrotherwow. My personal pastebin gets spammed like hell :(
14:09:46GodEaterThundercloud's method doesn't work - it runs out of argument space
14:10:27bluebrotherone could cat everything and pipe it to wc
14:10:41ThundercloudWell it works for smaller projects.
14:10:46ThundercloudOr perhaps if you change * to *.c or whatever.
14:11:07JdGordonThundercloud: cheers.. your worked well
14:11:20B4gderor -type f
14:11:22ThundercloudWoot :P
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14:50:56B4gderthe player size delta is indeed puzzling
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14:56:14jhMikeSSo is the H10 one since that's PP
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15:07:57jhMikeSRockbox is worth $36.61/line? :o
15:08:16B4gderwe better start collecting!
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15:10:02*preglow demands a premium for eq.c
15:10:06preglowbloody fixed point...
15:10:23jhMikeShehe...fun stuff indeed
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15:13:57markunpreglow: I saw that Blackfin has a few fixed point data types
15:14:47amiconnB4gder: Do we have the .map files available these days?
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15:18:20amiconn:(
15:18:45daurnimatorJdGordon: you here?
15:18:53JdGordondepends
15:18:54daurnimatorB4gder: whens your devcon?
15:19:08B4gder19-20 may
15:20:13B4gderit's frigging 12 people on the devcon west possibly-coming list
15:20:33JdGordonB4gder: any chance of a skype conference call on the day?
15:20:48preglowmarkun: blackfin is all about fixed point
15:20:54B4gderskype? now that sounds like a kind of insect...
15:21:15JdGordonthey have skype in sweden dont they?
15:21:28B4gderdo they offer free conference calls?
15:21:37B4gderisn't that limited somehow
15:21:58daurnimatorwhy skype? :S
15:21:58B4gderbut it would be cool
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15:22:12JdGordonim pretty sure they do
15:22:19*JdGordon wants to be there in sprit :p
15:22:42JdGordonupdated class diagram.dia
15:22:50JdGordonbah.. stupid clipboard
15:22:53JdGordonhttp://www.skype.com/help/guides/conference.html
15:22:55preglowyou can be there with spirits
15:22:57preglowthat will also be fun
15:23:07B4gder:-)
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15:56:07SiltaarI have a small linking problem : failed to load /.rockbox/rocks//sudoku.rock
15:56:07Siltaardlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks//sudoku.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks//sudoku.rock: undefined symbol: talk_number
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15:56:25Siltaarit appears at run time
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15:57:07SiltaarI have locally modified a little bit the source code of sudoku.c
15:57:34Siltaarto add a call on talk_number
15:57:56Siltaarit compiles, but the plugin refuse to be loaded then...
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16:02:18nlsdid it load ok, before you modified it?
16:04:14amiconnYou can't just use a core function like this
16:05:40amiconnOf course it will compile and link for the sim because sim plugins are shared libraries
16:05:56amiconnBut then you can't run it as the symbol can't be resolved
16:07:09Siltaarok
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16:07:21Siltaarso I should redefine the function I need ?
16:07:45amiconnIf you need a core function in a plugin, you have to export it via the plugin api and then call it from the plugin using the api
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16:13:33Siltaaramiconn, is it explained somewhere on www.rockbox.org website ?
16:13:46Siltaarwhere should I find examples ?
16:14:14Siltaar(if it's not already documented in the wiki, I could write something...)
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16:52:09Siltaarok, adding the function in the Plugin API struct, it works
16:52:32SiltaarI will drop a note about that on : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
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16:58:23stefananyone here that knows anything about if creative zen vision M is about to be cracked?
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16:59:49markunstefan: I don't know, but there is a forum thread about it
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17:00:20markunalso, it's pretty hard to predict how far you are from cracking something
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17:03:17idnarunless you can see into the future ;)
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17:54:02markunanyone insterested in helping out with the sample strings for loadable keymaps? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts
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17:59:04linuxstbmarkun: Do you mean sample .kbd files?
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18:01:45markunlinuxstb: I was more thinking of providing sample strings so people can quickly create their own personal kbd file
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18:01:59markunbut maybe some good sample files will be nice too
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18:02:56markunHm.. I have to look in combining for thai script
18:08:25markunand typing hebrew and arabic will also not work so well I guess
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18:19:45bluebrotherhmm. ATA error -1 was bad connection?
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18:36:40myrkxhow come when I add music to iTunes, it says it syncs it to the iPod, but the new music doesn't show up in the database?
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18:42:17bluebrotherdo you have auto-update of the database enabled?
18:44:50myrkxbluebrother: yes
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18:47:28bluebrotherhmm. But I'm right assuming the files itself play fine with rockbox?
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18:48:47myrkxit only shows the original 3 songs that were there when I installed rockbox, none of the new ones show up at all
18:49:54bluebrotherso, when using the file browser, can you play the files?
18:50:23myrkxnope
18:50:43bluebrotherhave you purchased those files in the itunes music store?
18:51:17myrkxno, they are mp3's I burned from my CD's
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18:51:50bluebrotherhow have you tried playing the files?
18:52:25myrkxthe original 3 songs won't play now either, even though they show up in the database list
18:52:46bluebrotherdid you use the "files" entry in the main menu?
18:53:04bluebrotherand how does not playing result? Do you get an error message?
18:53:15myrkxno id3
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18:54:07myrkxI can't find any songs via the file route
18:54:19bluebrotherlook in /iPodControl/Music
18:54:38bluebrotherthere should be a couple of randomly named folders with randomly named files in it.
18:55:10PimpdaddypayneIt would be so much easier if the iPod named folders and files according to what they are actually named
18:55:13myrkxunder files, it comes up blank now, no subdirectories at all
18:56:09bluebrotherthe folder is most likely hidden, set file types to all.
18:56:21bluebrother(from the quick menu or through the settings)
18:56:25myrkxsec
18:57:01myrkxwhere in the settings?
18:57:21myrkxnevermind, I found it
18:57:45bluebrothersettings / General settings / File view
18:59:58myrkxno way to get the track names to show up?
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19:02:08bluebrotherno, itunes will rename the files to something arbitrarily mixed
19:02:21myrkxhow about if I remove the ./rockbox folder, reset, let the original OS synch, then put the ./rockbox folder back?
19:02:23bluebrotherso, can you find files in that folder and play them back?
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19:02:44bluebrothershouldn't make any difference −− it's just a folder on disk
19:03:06bluebrotherand I never heard of someone that additional data caused problems while syncing
19:03:06myrkxyes, under files (with funky tags), but under database just the 3 show
19:03:20bluebrotherok, so you can play those funky named files?
19:03:26myrkxyes
19:03:46bluebrotherthen it's definitely a database issue.
19:04:06bluebrotherremove all database*.tcd files in the /.rockbox folder and reinitialize the database
19:04:24myrkxok, give me a second
19:04:45Pimpdaddypaynemyrkx, you know what i like to do? i used ipod too..
19:05:15Pimpdaddypaynemyrkx, when i am in disk mode, i created a folder called "Music" and transferred all my mp3s to it, and just play them from the Files menu...that way I know what I am playing
19:06:44myrkxI'm trying to set this up for a blind 11 year old, need to keep it simple as possible
19:07:01bluebrotherin that case you'll be better with not using the database
19:07:06myrkxbluebrother: how do you reinitialise database?
19:07:25bluebrotheras Rockbox can voice filenames, but not spell out the database items (yet)
19:07:40bluebrotherthere is an entry in the settings ... General settings / Database iirc
19:08:00Pimpdaddypaynebluebrother, how do you get it to voice filenames? i havent learned that yet
19:08:15bluebrotheryou need to pre-generate voice clips.
19:08:25bluebrotherHaven't done that myself yet, check the wiki
19:08:43PimpdaddypayneOh, I thought it was text-to-speec
19:08:44Pimpdaddypayneh
19:08:54bluebrotherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto
19:09:17bluebrotherno, we don't have a TTS yet. Because of that you can't read the database entries
19:09:20amiconnYou can either have rockbox speel the filenames, or just voice the file number and -type. This can be done without individual clips
19:09:34amiconnIf you want the name spoken for real, you need clips
19:10:00bluebrothercan the database spell the items too?
19:10:06bluebrotherI thought it can't
19:10:12amiconnI don't know, I normally don't use it
19:10:28amiconnSpelling should be possible if it's not there yet
19:11:03amiconnEven clips should be possible (for the tracks, not for the folders) as the database knows the path
19:11:39bluebrotherhmm. But that wouldn't be nice with the file names itunes generates ;-)
19:11:55amiconnTrue
19:12:09amiconnBut spelling would use the tag contents, not the file names
19:12:29bluebrotherhmm. No voice file on my ipod :(
19:13:40*bluebrother goes building a voice file
19:14:06pixelmayes it spells them - it even spells the track length with them that got currently added to the entries
19:14:41Pimpdaddypaynehmm
19:14:48pixelmadon't know about the prepared clips though
19:14:50Pimpdaddypaynerockbox seems to use a lot of battery power compared to the ipod os
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19:18:13artmessHi everyone. I'm using rockbox and loving it. I have flac files in a directory and some mp3 that I use the ipod firmware for. When I tell rockbox to build the database it only seems to do it with those mp3 files in the ipod's directory, anyone know how I can have it database the directory of flac files I have?
19:18:20Pimpdaddypaynemarkun, here?
19:18:42Nico_PDomonoky: congrats on your commit :)
19:18:47Domonoky:-)
19:19:15Domonokyi am now preparing a win binary for the wiki,.. :-)
19:20:04Nico_Pwould you like a linux bin ?
19:20:39Domonokyjeah, if the bin also works on other linux :-)
19:20:46Nico_Pnot sure about that
19:21:02Domonokyand it would be nice, if linuxstb could make a new MacOsX binary..
19:21:13Domonokyor somebody els with a mac..
19:21:27Nico_Pare there people willing to test a linux rbutil binary ?
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19:25:01krazykiteh? what's the rbutil do again?
19:25:09krazykiti could test the binary
19:25:35Nico_Pkrazykit: it's an utility to install rockbox on players
19:25:35Domonokyrbutil install rockbox and extras..
19:25:45krazykitah
19:26:01amiconnDomonoky: The binary should work on other linuxes(?) of the same architecture if it doesn't need shared libraries (or only ones with are available everywhere)
19:26:42amiconnBtw, binaries (especially for windows) should be put on download.rockbox.org rather than in the wiki
19:27:13Domonokyi think the can be move to download.rockbox.org when rbutils mature..
19:27:53amiconnEven if it's not (yet)... this is mainly a virus protection measure
19:28:35Domonokyoki, but first, we need the binarys, then they can be moved :-)
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19:30:10Nico_Phere's my linux bin: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/rbutil
19:31:32DomonokyNico_P: you have to bundle the ini file, so make a tar.gz or so..
19:31:39Nico_Pok
19:32:31Nico_PDomonoky: only the bin and the .ini ?
19:33:42Domonokyyes
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19:35:17bluebrotherNico_P: on what distro did you build it?
19:35:35Nico_Pbluebrother: kubuntu feisty
19:35:59bluebrotherok. Doesn't run on FC5 at least
19:36:07Nico_Phttp://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/rbutil.tar.gz
19:36:14Nico_Pbluebrother: why ?
19:36:24bluebrother./rbutil: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2_aui-2.8.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
19:36:33krazykitbluebrother, you need wxgtk installed
19:36:41bluebrotherbut I was surprised by the size anyway ...
19:37:12bluebrotherkrazykit: I know it needs wxwidgets −− but wasn't the idea linking it statically so it runs on systems without wx installed too?
19:37:30krazykitguess it wasn't built statically :-P
19:37:44krazykitthough it looks like i don't have aui installed either
19:38:18Nico_Pbluebrother: how do I do that ?
19:38:18Domonokyi dont think statically linking to wxwidgets works (there was something on their webpage)
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19:38:29Nico_PDomonoky: the groupboxes in the tabs have different widths... it gives a strange impression when changing tabs: the buttons move
19:38:55bluebrotherdidn't linuxstb create a static binary once?
19:38:58krazykitalso, debian lenny has wxgtk 2.6 anyway
19:39:21krazykitso i couldn't run it as is
19:39:38DomonokyNico_P: you are right, they just use the minimum width, but at the moment functionality bevor nice GUI things :-)
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19:41:57*petur wonders if any linux (ubuntu) guru could PM him re screwed up video driver install
19:42:48krazykitpetur, i bet #ubuntu could help
19:42:56*bluebrother doesn't use ubuntu
19:43:07*krazykit refuses to use ubuntu
19:43:25bluebrotherhehe
19:43:40Nico_Ppetur: what kind of video card do you have ?
19:43:55peturnvidia
19:43:57Nico_Pkrazykit: why ?
19:44:02krazykitseveral reasons
19:44:08krazykittheir bug tracker is closed source, for one
19:44:13Nico_Ppetur: I use the bin drivers
19:44:20Nico_Pworks fine
19:44:26peturerrr... I wanted PM so as not to drop the channel into offtopc linux talk
19:44:31krazykiti think they're still patching firefox with their own patches, but are still calling it firefox, violating the liscense
19:44:36bluebrotherpetur: too late ;-)
19:44:38Nico_Ppetur: ok, PM :)
19:44:47*bluebrother remembers the dash thing
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19:45:19*bluebrother remembers he has to fix the manual makefile because of that
19:46:06krazykitbut i can't go into those reasons more because i have a final in 15 minutes
19:46:45Domonokyso rbutil is now updated in the wiki (only win), next step: sansapatcher integration :-)
19:46:46krazykiti'll try to make a static build in a couple hours though
19:47:30Domonokyif someone likes to helpout with rbutil, please step in :-)
19:48:00*bluebrother doesn't like wx ...
19:48:26Domonokybluebrother: feel free to rebuild it in qt.. :-)
19:48:49bluebrotherhehe ... I'm only missing the time for doing so ;-)
19:49:14linuxstbDomonoky: I can build a Mac OS X binary now, but I agree with amiconn that binaries shouldn't be in the wiki
19:49:24Domonokyjeah it would be a big task, thats why i stay in wx.. :-)
19:50:09bluebrotherwhy is the program icon an archos device? Wouldn't it be better to have the Rockbox logo there?
19:50:35Domonokyleftover from earlyer times..
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19:50:51bluebrotherhmm. How can I set a proxy?
19:51:07Domonokynot possible at moment..
19:51:34Domonokyi once tried to make a proxy setting but it didnt work..
19:51:51bluebrotherthen I can't test at all ... I need to use a proxy from my connection
19:52:04Domonokyi just dont know enough about wx.. :-/
19:56:35Domonokybluebrother: can you compile rbutil ?
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20:00:40bluebrotherDomonoky: no wx 2.8 here (yet)
20:00:57linuxstbIf any Mac users want to try it, rbutil 0.3.1 is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutil-0.3.1.dmg
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20:01:17*linuxstb pings Bagder or anyone else with access to download.rockbox.org
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20:23:25*amiconn found this: http://lists.wxwidgets.org/archive/wx-users/msg06794.html
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20:25:23amiconnSlasheri: ihme runs an outdated arm-elf-gcc
20:25:46amiconn(that caused the RED - jhMikeS' commit isn't the cause)
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20:30:06amiconnSorry Nico_P's commit... but that's not the point anyway
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21:12:42Domonokywhat is the screensize of the sansa ?
21:13:48*Domonoky tries to summon linuxstb :-)
21:13:59*amiconn points Domonoky to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
21:14:27Domonokythx
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21:17:58bluebrotherDomonoky, just tried rbutil on linux ... it doesn't advice the user that you need to run it as root for bootloader installation
21:18:36Domonokyonly for ipods.. but it should mention something..
21:18:58bluebrotheryeah, that is why I mentioned it ;-)
21:19:01Domonokyi mean i should put some more text into it :-)
21:19:09bluebrotherwhen running as root it detected my ipod just fine
21:19:17linuxstbbluebrother: Not everyone will need to run it as root - it depends on permissions/groups etc.
21:19:32Domonokyjeah its ipodpatcher which needs this..
21:19:47bluebrotherhmm −− doesn't ipodpatcher need direct access to the disk?
21:19:57linuxstbYes.
21:20:14Domonokylinuxstb: any objections against this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7102 (for sansapatcher)
21:20:36linuxstbIn my Debian at least, removable drives are in the "floppy" group, and I've added myself to that group.
21:22:51bluebrotherfc5 uses this strange gnome-mount thing, and the device files get added to the group "disk"
21:23:26linuxstbDomonoky: That patch seems mostly white-space changes...
21:23:58Domonokyignore the whitespaces :-) bad editor..
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21:25:10linuxstbDomonoky: Also, it looks like the int2be function can just be deleted - it's not used.
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21:54:07Shoozhey my wps screen doesn't seem to be loading on the sansa, the rest of the themes work fine, but the WPS doesnt load, im using a pretty recent rockbox build? any suggestions?
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21:57:42spiorfShooz, sure that your wps isn't broken?
21:58:31Shoozbroken as in?
21:58:53Shoozah, working again, just updated rockbox
21:59:00Shoozguess my build was just about a day to old
21:59:13Shoozsorry to bother you
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22:00:42*Domonoky will now commit sansa support in rbutil, i hope i dont break the sansapatcher.. :-)
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22:17:29webguest21Domonoky... thanks for the Sansa fixes for rbutil
22:17:40webguest21Will you update the downloadable version to bring it up to date?
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22:17:59Domonokyi am just uploading the win binary to the wiki
22:18:08webguest21Outstanding. Thanks very much
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22:20:10*petur is against executables in the wiki
22:20:35Domonokyyeah they should be move to download.rockbox.org
22:21:21Domonokybut then its not so easy to update..
22:22:25syntaxmanhmm.. my nano froze when I started the star plugin.. Aside from prying it open and removing the battery, how can I reset this?
22:22:40Bagderwhat files should I put on the dl site for rbutil?
22:22:56Domonokysyntaxman: hold menu+select for ~10 sec
22:23:22DomonokyBagder the rbutil-v0.3.2.zip for windows..
22:23:56Domonokyand the Mac .dmg file, when linuxstb updates it (at the moment its outdated)
22:24:07syntaxmanOh.. for that long? Yup... it worked. Thank you Domonoky!
22:25:53Bagderok, rbutil for win is uploaded there
22:25:57Bagderhttp://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/
22:26:42Domonokythx, i will change the wikipage
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22:37:19webguest76Domonoky... tried rbutil with my Sansa. FWIW, font updating seems to work well.
22:37:35webguest76I note that autodetect does not, however. Is that as you'd expect?
22:38:20Domonokyfont installing is the same on any player.. interesting is autodetect and the bootloader install..
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22:38:39Domonokyautodetect does not work ? hm..
22:39:12webguest76I had the Sansa connected and then started rbutil. It doesn't see it.
22:39:26webguest76Let me try disconnecting, starting the program, and then connecting.
22:39:30Domonokyah, you have to use the autodetect button :-)
22:40:02webguest76Well, I did... had the Sansa connected, started rbutil, and clicked Autodetect... got an error message, no device detected.
22:40:17Domonokyhm, bad.. will check the code..
22:40:33webguest76OK... just a data point.
22:41:33Domonokyhm.. have you installed the bootloader with sansapatcher ?
22:41:52bluebrotherquestion is, can sansapatcher detect the player itself?
22:41:52Domonoky(perhaps it is a fault of sansapatcher.. :-) )
22:42:20webguest76Yes, I have Rockbox up and running on my Sansa. I hadn't tried the bootloader install with the utility.
22:42:41webguest76I just did, though, and it doesn't work.
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22:43:17Domonokywebguest76: which method for installing the bootloader have you used befor ?
22:43:31webguest76Sansapatcher.
22:43:57webguest76Before that, I used the old method with that other program, forget the name. Both worked.
22:44:12Domonokyhm.. bad..
22:44:33webguest76I'm going to try starting rbutil and then connecting the Sansa next.
22:44:37Domonokyso sansapatcher can detect your sansa..
22:44:50webguest76Yes indeed.
22:44:50Domonokywebguest76: that wont change it..
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22:45:16webguest76You'd know that better than I but I'll try anyway for grins.
22:45:44Domonoky:-)
22:46:20Domonokywebguest76, is your sansa connected in UMS mode ?
22:46:53webguest76No device again.
22:47:21webguest76Wait a sec, I get confused about these modes...
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22:48:15Domonokyrbutil should do the same as sansapatcher.. so i am a bit confused, why it doesnt find it (i dont have a sansa to test it)
22:48:19webguest76Rebooting it, but I have an SD card and the database refresh takes a bit.
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22:48:57webguest76USB mode is what the Sansa calls MSC.
22:49:14Domonokyi think so, UMS = MSC
22:49:28webguest76Should I try MTP?
22:49:46Domonokyno, in MTP it will not work..
22:50:00webguest92hi i got a question i'm trying to change the themes on rockbox but when they change the backdrops dont show up just the icons.do you know why?
22:50:51webguest92please help me out i tried to change them a million times????
22:51:24Domonokywebguest92: is the backdrop in the right place ?
22:51:25webguest76Short of your pending code changes, is there anything else you'd like me to try?
22:51:39webguest92yeah
22:51:49webguest92they are all in the same place
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22:52:12Domonokywebguest76: nothing more sansa specific, but testing is always welcome
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22:52:37webguest76OK... I'll watch for updates. thanks for the work you've done to date.
22:53:14Domonokywebguest92: check the theme.cfg if the filename for the backdrop is right.. where do you got this theme
22:53:26Domonokywebguest92: also, have you tried other themes ?
22:54:00webguest92yeah i tried all of them
22:54:11Domonokyand all have the same problem ?
22:54:16webguest92the onlyone that works is the yankees theme
22:54:30TrueJournalswebguest92: Which DAP do you have?
22:54:40webguest92what do you mean?
22:54:57Domonokywebguest92: what device you have..
22:54:59TrueJournalsWhich Digital Audio Player do you have?
22:55:09webguest92pod
22:55:11Domonokyand is it a official build ? or custom ?
22:55:11webguest92ipod
22:55:16webguest925g
22:55:59webguest92i got it from the rockbox site? so i dont know...
22:56:25webguest92i think its a build
22:56:32Domonokythen it should be official, how old is the build ?
22:56:33webguest92i think...
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22:57:18TrueJournalsTry updating the build
22:57:37webguest92i'm not really sure how can i figure that out. i just downloaded theme like a week ago. i went to google / search and i typed rockbox themes.
22:57:46webguest92how can i update it?
22:58:01Domonokyno i mean the time of your rockbox version..
22:58:02TrueJournalsiPod 5G = iPod video, correct?
22:58:09webguest92oh
22:58:14webguest92yeah
22:58:17webguest92corct'
22:58:20webguest92correct
22:58:29webguest92i suck at typing! XD
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22:58:44TrueJournalsOK, download the latest rockbox from http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip and extract the zip to the root of your iPod
22:58:53webguest92ok thanks
22:59:08TrueJournalsThat SHOULD fix the problem... might not though...
22:59:10Domonokyor use rbutil :-)
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22:59:24webguest76Domonoky... one last thing on rbutil. Autodetect or not, the installer does work for me.
22:59:47Domonokythe bootloader installer works but autodetect not ?
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23:00:00TrueJournalsDomonoky: Is your goal to eventually get autodetect working for all targets?
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23:00:16webguest76No, bootloader installer doesn't work, but install of the current build of Rockbox itself does.
23:00:24DomonokyTrueJournals: it would be nice, but at the moment i dont know how to :-)
23:01:04Domonokywebguest76: ah, thats expected, so everthing is working except sansapatcher..
23:01:25webguest76Seems that way. Just thought you'd like to know.
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23:01:34TrueJournalsDomonoky: Well, I can help a little... For the H10 20 GB, there will be a file in /System/ called "H10_20GC.mi4" ( /System/H10_20GC.mi4 )... don't know how you have autodetect set up, but you could probably just search for that file.
23:01:51Domonokywebguest76: jeah, thanxs for testing
23:02:09webguest76No problem. I was feeling a little adventurous. :-)
23:02:13TrueJournalsActually, how do you have autodetect set up?
23:02:32DomonokyTrueJournals: we now also have a rockbox-info.txt which could be used..
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23:02:44TrueJournalsDidn't think about that...
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23:02:58Domonokyat the moment autodetect just uses ipodpatcher and sansapatcher to detect them..
23:03:26TrueJournalsWell, I don't know much about coding, but I think another good way would be to scan USB device IDs
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23:04:06TrueJournalsBecause that would work even if it's the first time installing rockbox for a user (rockbox-info.txt would not exist in this case...)
23:04:08DomonokyTrueJournals: The Device IDs would be a good way, but thats not easy to make it work on everyplatform (win/lin/mac)
23:04:24TrueJournalsAh, OK
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23:04:53Domonokyon linuxit should be easy, on windows its strange and on mac, i dont know.. :-)
23:05:06TrueJournalsWell, like I said, I'm not a coder :-\
23:05:51Domonokyi thought about using libUSB, (exists for win and Lin) but its a bit overkill and would add anothe depencie
23:06:17Domonokynoncoders have a easy life :-)
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23:06:28TrueJournalsHeh
23:06:41TrueJournalsWell, I think I'm going to try to get into C a little this summer
23:07:07Domonokythats good, go for it :-)
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23:07:53Domonokylinuxstb: i hope i didnt broke the sanspatcher :-)
23:08:15linuxstbDomonoky: I can't see how you would, but I don't have a Sansa to test it on.
23:08:26Domonoky:-)
23:08:45linuxstbBTW, see my recent commit. rbutil wouldn't compile for me on Mac OS X as sectorbuf was defined in both ipodpatcher.c and sansapatcher.c
23:10:40Domonokynow i only need sansa owners to test rbutil, or i need to buy one :-)
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