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#rockbox log for 2007-05-07

00:03:16 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@195.159.148.248)
00:07:55H10_007quickI'm interested in trying to fix that on the H10 you have to click the select button and not the play button for yes. Anyone have an idea were to start?
00:12:14barrywardell_it's in the keymaps IIRC
00:12:46barrywardell_apps/keymaps/keymap-h10.c
00:12:53H10_007quickwhat does IIRC stand for?
00:12:58H10_007quicki see now
00:13:06H10_007quickbut just curious I see it around lots
00:13:15scorcheif i recall correctly
00:13:21linuxstb_H10_007quick: Do you want to change the keymap, or change the text displayed?
00:13:34H10_007quickwell
00:13:41H10_007quickwhich would you suggest?
00:13:52H10_007quickprably the key map to stay consitent
00:14:04H10_007quickSo that all the targets use play
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00:14:51barrywardell_i think select feels right though...
00:15:20H10_007quicktrue
00:15:28H10_007quickso then the wording needs to change
00:16:31H10_007quickwere would i change the wording?
00:16:34*bluebrother points to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acronyms_and_initialisms
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00:17:36H10_007quickbluebrother: thx
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00:19:02H10_007quickI see lots of functions but not any actuall wording in gui/yesno.,c
00:19:36DomonokyH10_007quick: i think its in the language files..
00:19:44TrueJournalsYou're talking about when you delete a file or something? I thought it did say next...
00:19:59H10_007quicklet me check
00:20:10TrueJournalsSays next on mine
00:20:18webguest78I've got a question: can you save the background you make in rockbox on an ipod?
00:21:11H10_007quickSays "play" on mine
00:21:21TrueJournalsthat's... odd...
00:22:14TrueJournalsDo you have a 20 GB or 5/6 GB?
00:22:34Domonokyi think its a missing entry in the lang file..
00:22:52H10_007quick5
00:23:12TrueJournalsHm, because I have a 20GB... so maybe it's just wrong on the 5/6 GB...?
00:23:39TrueJournalshmm... hold on a second... let me make sure it's not any of my patches...
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00:24:22H10_007quickfound it
00:24:34H10_007quickh10: "NEXT = Yes"
00:24:53linuxstb_H10_007quick: Look for LANG_CONFIRM_WITH_PLAY_RECORDER in apps/lang/english.lang - maybe change h10: to h10,h10_5gb. I'm not sure what the label for the 5GB will be...
00:25:04TrueJournalsthe 5/6 GB is referred to as h10_5gb
00:25:12TrueJournalsWhat file did you find that in?
00:25:33H10_007quickapps/lang/english.lang
00:26:23barrywardell_it looks like there are a few places in that file where that needs to be done
00:27:12TrueJournalsmaybe a find h10:, replace with h10,h10_5gb: is in order?
00:27:23H10_007quickWell, I will try to do it unless one of you wants to?
00:27:25TrueJournalsThat's the problem though, there's just no language string
00:27:26 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za)
00:27:40H10_007quickwill post a patch if I have suces
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00:28:19 Join Jeton [0] (n=chatzill@85.30.90.74)
00:28:39barrywardell_yes, please
00:29:08JetonCould someone please look into this http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/viewer.c?r1=13335&r2=13336
00:29:20Jetonit has to do with scrolling text on sansa with the scrollwheel
00:29:26Jetonbut
00:29:33Jetonthe sensitivity isn't correct
00:29:45 Join Viljar [0] (i=Gspier@ip60.cab27.trt.starman.ee)
00:29:59ViljarHello..
00:29:59webguest78can you save backgrounds you set on rockbox?
00:30:00Jetoninstead of one scroll per line, you need to 3 or more scrolls per line.
00:30:57linuxstb_webguest78: Do you mean keep the same backdrop after you reboot?
00:31:04TrueJournalswebguest78: What do you mean? As far as I know, you can only set a background if you have the file...
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00:32:15webguest78i mean, can you save, so that you have the same background after you reboot
00:32:30linuxstb_webguest78: How do you normally reboot?
00:32:40Jetonanyone?
00:32:52webguest78by pressing menu and select
00:33:08linuxstb_webguest78: You should shut Rockbox down cleanly - a long press on PLAY/PAUSE.
00:33:27webguest78oooh didnt know that, ill try ty
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00:34:13webguest78hm it didn't save
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00:34:57H10_007quickbarrywardell_: the problem is that the generic wording gets used because the H10 5/6gb is not specified
00:35:05gh0sthello, is anyone willing to help me with dual booting an iaudio X5?
00:35:26linuxstb_webguest78: Where is your backdrop stored? Is it in .rockbox/backdrops/ ?
00:35:40barrywardell_H10_007quick: does it not work to just change every instance of h10 to h10,h10_5gb?
00:35:56H10_007quickit says that the varialbe is found in the root make file
00:36:02H10_007quickwhere is this?
00:36:05webguest78not really, because I can't browse there from filebrowser somehow
00:36:17HellDragondoes rockbox have a serial port interface ?
00:36:24 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za)
00:36:30H10_007quick# The target names used for target-specific strings are set in the ARCHOS
00:36:30H10_007quick# variable in the root Makefile
00:36:55webguest78It's located in /mnt, if I'm not mistaken
00:36:56barrywardell_it's in the tools/configure script
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00:37:04H10_007quickah
00:37:07barrywardell_the variable is h10_5gb
00:37:09H10_007quickso it would be
00:37:12H10_007quickya
00:37:18H10_007quickso
00:37:24 Quit Jeton ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]")
00:37:36H10_007quickh10_5gb needs to be added to the descriptions?
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00:37:58linuxstb_webguest78: In the file browser, hold MENU until the "quick menu" comes up, then press PLAY to change the "show files" option to "all".
00:38:12linuxstb_webguest78: You may also want to read the manual...
00:38:51H10_007quickthere are no definitions for the h10_5gb
00:39:09H10_007quickbut would it not be easier to just tell it to use the same as the h10 variale?
00:39:35webguest78Sorry, i won't bother you anymore and thank you very much
00:39:36barrywardell_yes, you can do that by just adding in ,h10_5gb after h10
00:39:54H10_007quickoh i see
00:40:01H10_007quickok will try that out
00:40:13H10_007quickthanks for the help
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00:40:59HellDragondoes rockbox have a serial port interface ?
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00:41:01linuxstb_HellDragon: Are you asking if Rockbox has a serial port driver? If so, which device?
00:41:09HellDragonyeah driver
00:41:13HellDragonipod 5G
00:41:23linuxstb_No.
00:41:25HellDragon:(
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00:46:39***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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00:56:46markunstory about the iriver e10 with some Rockbox propaganda in the comments :)
00:56:48markunhttp://osnews.com/story.php/17860/Review-The-OGG-Compatible-iRiver-E10
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00:59:01scorchei love it when they have a player that plays OGG and they make such a big deal about it =)
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01:00
01:00:07markunscorche: maybe we should post some stories about every DAP we support
01:00:23markun"old Toshiba player plays OGG!"
01:00:37scorchehehe
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01:05:38H10_007quickbarrywardell_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7123 there it is
01:06:24H10_007quicktried it out on mine and it works great though I was thinking it should be "select = yes" not "next = yes" right?
01:06:42chrisjs169heh: Well in DAP land people try Rockbox (www.rockbox.org) - [...] .. some ipods, toshibas, irivers, iaudios, some sandas
01:06:44H10_007quickseems to me that that button is a select button not a next button?
01:07:38H10_007quickshould i change that too? or no?
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01:07:54barrywardell_I'm not sure
01:08:04barrywardell_what does the manual refer to it as?
01:08:08H10_007quickI will leave it at that for now
01:08:12H10_007quickgood thinking,
01:08:14H10_007quickI will look
01:08:22barrywardell_I think we made a decision on what it would be called and the result went in to the manual
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01:09:04H10_007quick"select:
01:09:16H10_007quickhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-190003
01:09:22H10_007quickthe picture
01:09:50TrueJournalsYeah, according to the manual, next makes it sound like the fast-forward button
01:09:51H10_007quicksame for the 20gb
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01:09:58H10_007quickexactly
01:10:15H10_007quickshould i change it to "select"
01:10:24H10_007quickI gues it would make sense
01:10:27TrueJournalsI would say so
01:10:44TrueJournalsWell, I gotta go... see ya
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01:11:47H10_007quickbarrywardell_: what do you think? "select" or "next"
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01:12:13barrywardell_yes, i think select
01:12:20H10_007quickk
01:12:21barrywardell_to make it consistent with the manual
01:12:25H10_007quickI will do it now
01:15:32H10_007quickdone
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01:19:08digerati1338Ifter I run "svn update" do I have to re-apply patches or will they still be included?
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01:20:22H10_007quickthey will still be included but might not work if there were changes to the patched file
01:20:39digerati1338thnx
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01:21:28H10_007quickbarrywardell_: does the rolo thing work with the H10? because when I click on a .mi4 file I always get : "chechsome error"
01:22:30barrywardell_not right now
01:22:38barrywardell_it won't be too hard to fix
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01:22:43H10_007quickshould somthing be added to the manual?
01:22:46barrywardell_when I get around to it
01:23:11H10_007quickshould I make a patch to include a note that it doesn't work right now?
01:24:33barrywardell_I think we would be better to get it working
01:24:47barrywardell_I have a patch on my other computer that has it almost working again
01:25:04barrywardell_I'll have a look at it again in the next couple of days
01:25:09H10_007quickok
01:27:59BRi7Xtraoh this is a difficult decision still... i'm seeing many very mixed reviews for the gigabeat f and iaudio x5... still can't make up my mind
01:28:54JdGordonH10_007quick: are you hepdog on flyspray?
01:29:00H10_007quickya
01:29:14H10_007quickwhy?
01:29:28JdGordonim looking at 7123, wouldnt it be beter to change h10 to h10* instead of affing h10_5gb?
01:29:42markunBRi7Xtra: mixed review of the gigabeat f with rockbox?
01:29:46markunor without?
01:29:49H10_007quickhmm i see your point
01:29:53JdGordonand if you want it commited put your full name in a comment.. (unless your in the credits already)
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01:29:59Domonokywouldnt h10* also include the h100 ?
01:30:04JdGordonits after h100 so it should be fine
01:30:06H10_007quickyes it would
01:30:07JdGordonI think...
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01:30:14H10_007quickit is after
01:30:25JdGordonor would it need to be before to work?
01:30:34H10_007quickhmm
01:30:55H10_007quickwell h10_5gb works good enough I think
01:30:57barrywardell_i think it would be better to just leave it as h10,h10_5gb
01:31:02H10_007quicksame
01:31:08H10_007quickeasier to understand too
01:31:19BRi7Xtrawell, i've heard the gigabeat f firmware reallllllly sucks (like ipod, but won't matter after rockbox)... i've heard that the controls for both are awful after a while (although i feel the same way for the ipod)... i've heard the iaudio x5 is durable compared to the gigabeat f, although the screen size may get to me after a while... so again it comes down to recording vs. screen... i don't know what to do
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01:31:41BRi7Xtrathinking of letting someone decide for me...
01:32:02pixelmaJdGordon: there's a bug in the menus that appeared somewhen after april 27th (so maybe...): no menu items scroll anymore (all menus including context menus), browsers still work
01:32:11markunBRi7Xtra: Buy a Gigabeat :)
01:32:16H10_007quickname added
01:32:24BRi7Xtragigabeat f?
01:32:30markunF40
01:32:51BRi7Xtrathe prophet has spoken.. i guess i'll get that then
01:32:59BRi7Xtramarkun: what's your main reason though?
01:33:01JdGordonpixelma: can you put it on FS and assing it to me so i dont forget? Ill try to look tonight but dont know if ill have a chance
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01:33:14markunBRi7Xtra: it's my baby because I started the rockbox port :)
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01:33:34pixelmaJdGordon: I guess amiconn will complain later today either way :P
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01:33:42markunand I use mine every day and am very happy with it
01:33:57JdGordonhaha :)
01:34:16JdGordonyou guys started noticing it on the archos did you?
01:35:13pixelmayeah, very noticeable on teh Player... (I don't have one...) ;)
01:35:38BRi7Xtramarkun: well then, i guess i'll get the gigabeat
01:35:38pixelmabut it's there on the other targets as well
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01:35:56Dark_ApostropheHello. Does Rockbox support this MP3 player?
01:35:58Dark_Apostrophehttp://www.pixmania.com/no/no/318257/art/archos/mp3-spiller-gmini-xs202s.html?srcid=1911
01:36:11markunBRi7Xtra: I hope you will not be mad at me when you get it :)
01:36:18Dark_ApostropheI'm trying to find a 20gb one that isn't Apple, on which Rockbox will run... it's turning out to be surprisingly difficult.
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01:36:46JdGordonnothing wrong with ipods if your going to rockbox it anyway...
01:36:46BRi7Xtraah, Dark_Apostrophe, markun told me to get the gigabeat f
01:37:07BRi7Xtrawell i've broken a few ipods already, that's why
01:37:27Dark_ApostropheYeah, I've heard they suck
01:37:31Dark_ApostropheThen there's the DRM issue
01:37:34H10_007quickDark_apostrophe: there is a player by iriver called the H10, Comes in either 20gb or 5gb
01:37:35Dark_ApostropheAnd the Crapple issue
01:37:38bonbonthejonDark_Apostrophe: most of the players supported are no longer available
01:37:45Dark_ApostropheH10_007quick: Ooh... sounds nice
01:37:51H10_007quickit is
01:37:51markunDark_Apostrophe: DRM issue with what?
01:37:55H10_007quicki have a 5gb
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01:38:07markunthere is also.. a Gigabeat F20 :)
01:38:14H10_007quicknot as big of a screen as the ipods but hey
01:38:25markunand it comes with a big screen :)
01:39:13Dark_Apostrophemarkun: Give money to apple = fund DRM
01:39:30Dark_ApostropheHoly spork, the H10 is very expensive
01:39:34markunDark_Apostrophe: but you get a DAP in return
01:39:37Dark_ApostropheTwice the price of my Zen Touch
01:39:50BRi7Xtrawell, all of those players support drm, so you're funding a different drm i guess no matter what
01:39:50Dark_Apostrophemarkun: Not worth it.
01:40:05markunDark_Apostrophe: you can have a Gigabeat F40 for about $100 on ebay
01:40:12Dark_Apostrophemarkun: It's just like paying more for a computer, so long as you know the money doesn't go to Microsoft
01:40:20Dark_Apostrophemarkun: It's a principle thing, not an economy thing
01:40:32BRi7Xtramarkun: is porting rockbox to a player very difficult?
01:40:47Dark_ApostropheI neither want a Microsoft tax, nor do I want to fund Apple's DRM.
01:41:01markunBRi7Xtra: depends on many factors, it took us a bit more than 1 year
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01:41:35Dark_Apostrophemarkun: Aren't Toshiba's players almost identical with Microsoft's zunes?
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01:41:56BRi7Xtratheir Gigabeat S is the loose basis for the Zune
01:41:56markunDark_Apostrophe: the Gigabeat S and V are very similar to the Zune
01:42:00markunthe F is not
01:42:28Dark_ApostropheGood.. I wouldn't want anyone mistaking a piece of my property for a MS product.
01:42:53Dark_ApostropheThere is no support for Creative players, right?
01:43:15markunno
01:43:27markunnot yet(?)
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01:44:42markunDark_Apostrophe: make sure you don't buy a player which supports WMA with DRM, because I'm sure some money you pay will go to MS
01:44:43BRi7Xtrain the vast computer world, one thing is certain: damned if you do, damned if you don't
01:45:00linuxstb_Dark_Apostrophe: Or even plain WMA...
01:45:09BRi7XtraDark_Apostrophe: (which is anything that says PlaysForSure)
01:45:12H10_007quickhow do I make patches for the manual?
01:45:20Dark_Apostropheany recommendations?
01:45:30H10_007quicksays "not a working copy" when I svn diff
01:45:54markunDark_Apostrophe: it's pretty much impossible these days
01:46:07markunmaybe some chinese player who don't care about licenses
01:46:09digerati1338make sure the copy you are working on is the same one that is current svn
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01:46:49H10_007quickdoesn't work
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01:47:47BRi7Xtraoh crap i have to restart this computer again (the one i was talking to you guys on earlier doesn't work anymore, totally broken now)... i'll be back in a few minutes
01:47:52Dark_Apostrophemarkun: Anything I can do then?
01:48:33 Quit BRi7Xtra ("be right back... charging my lasers.")
01:48:47markunDark_Apostrophe: try to forget what happens to you money and just buy a nice player :)
01:49:30Dark_ApostropheI can't!
01:49:39Dark_ApostropheMeh... I'll just keep my Zen until it breaks.
01:49:41chrisjs169this is probably rather far, but is it possible to have Rockbox execute a list of commands directly on a DAP? (sansa actually)
01:49:52markunDark_Apostrophe: it doesn't play WMA?
01:50:09Dark_ApostropheI don't know... Could care less, really
01:50:13Dark_ApostropheProbably
01:50:16linuxstb_Or support DRM?
01:50:20Dark_ApostropheNo idea
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01:50:23Dark_ApostropheI bought it ages ago
01:50:28Dark_ApostropheBefore I cared about those things
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01:52:37markunlinuxstb_: do you have a X5?
01:53:03Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: AAAAAAAA! I just misread your nickname as linuxstd
01:53:12Dark_Apostrophe(Sexually transmittable disease)
01:53:21chrisjs169wow, that's different
01:53:40linuxstb_markun: No, I've never seen one.
01:53:50linuxstb_Dark_Apostrophe: Have you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
01:54:16Dark_ApostropheNo
01:54:48chrisjs169linuxstb_, I guess you'd know the answer to this...is it possible to have a Sansa (or any DAP really) 'execute' commands such as creating and renaming directories?
01:54:52moosmarkun: what's up with X5?
01:55:31markunmoos: BRi7Xtra wanted to know how it compares to the Gigabeat because he doesn't know which one to buy
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01:55:56linuxstb_chrisjs169: I don't understand the question.
01:56:04moosmoos: depend and why you want one DAP, no? :)
01:56:33markuntalking to yourself?? :)
01:56:50markunmoos: he likes recording, but also likes a nice screen
01:57:10moosimho, X5 is still one of the best rockbox target for now, the little disadvantage is the subpack/cradle dependence
01:57:18linuxstb_markun: There's also the h300
01:57:21mooshehe, he have to buy both then ;)
01:57:31moosyup or h3xx indeed
01:57:38BRi7Xtramoos: would you recommend the gigabeat f over the iaudio x5?
01:57:50Dark_ApostropheLooks like the iAudio X5L is the only option for me
01:57:50markunmoos: what's better about the x5 compared to the h300?
01:57:55Dark_ApostropheBut it's ugly, and expensive
01:57:58Dark_Apostrophe:(
01:58:07moosdepending on what do you prefer, exemple if radio and recording are really needed
01:58:08markunDark_Apostrophe: just use your Zen man :)
01:58:19Dark_ApostropheI will...
01:58:24moosthe gigabeat is cheaper indeed
01:58:24Dark_ApostropheI'll use it till it dies.
01:58:25markunmoos: that's not possible with the h300?
01:58:31moossi si
01:58:49moosbetter screen with radio and recording
01:58:57moosand usb OTG
01:59:12moosbut the X5 is smaller
01:59:28moosjust a pocket format ;)
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01:59:36chrisjs169linuxstb_: if there were several files or directories that needed to be created on the Sansa, would it be possible to do it through a script (much like a bash script on Linux, using mv and mkdir)
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02:00:16linuxstb_chrisjs169: Why not just use a bash script on Linux, using mv and mkdir?
02:01:23chrisjs169linuxstb_: I guess that'd work, I just wasn't sure if there was a way to do it right on the DAP
02:02:16linuxstb_You mean write a script to be executed by Rockbox?
02:02:34BRi7Xtramoos: markun seems to prefer the gigabeat f... recording would be nice, but not necessary... hmm i wonder if there's a recording application for my DS (by the way, rockbox for nintendo ds would be superrrrr)
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02:03:02moosthen go for a gigabeat
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02:05:19moosBRi7Xtra: for now, I personnaly use X5 for my daily use, but that pure taste question
02:05:39digerati1338Does anyone know where the code for the rockbox file browser is located?
02:05:50markunBRi7Xtra: hm, we're not making it easy for you :)
02:06:12digerati1338I'm trying out how to generate a list of selectable files and execute an action when one is picked.
02:06:23markunDark_Apostrophe: apps/filetree.c I think
02:07:25markundigerati1338: that was for you
02:07:30digerati1338looks like that's it
02:07:49digerati1338i figured
02:08:39markungood night people
02:08:51Dark_Apostrophemarkun: Huh?
02:09:06moosmarkun: bonne nuit
02:09:43BRi7Xtrahmm...
02:10:04BRi7Xtramoos: any specific reason why?
02:10:38markunDark_Apostrophe: read the next line :)
02:10:39moosyou mean comparing to my gigabeat?
02:10:46BRi7Xtrayes
02:10:51markunDark_Apostrophe: was just the stupid auto completion
02:11:36Dark_ApostropheOk
02:14:42BRi7Xtrai'll be right back, dinner. we'll discuss more afterwards.. moos, hold that thought.
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02:15:00moosBRi7Xtra: 1) I use my X5 since 1 year and something (at start of rockbox support for it), 2)the DAP is smaller, 3)I need radio for news, sports...., 4)60 GB versus 40 etc...
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02:16:41moosBRi7Xtra: 2h15 am here, then I will probably be sleeping when you'll back ;) (for logs)
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02:20:11digerati1338What does the |= operator do?
02:20:38linuxstb_x |= y is equivent to x = x | y
02:20:44linuxstb_| is a bitwise OR.
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02:28:28BRi7Xtramoos: i'm back, if you're still here
02:29:11mooshehe, quick dinner :-)
02:29:24BRi7Xtrayep :)
02:30:01mooswhat do you want to know?
02:31:40BRi7Xtrawell, i guess i just want somebody to make a decision for me... whether it be the iaudio x5 or the gigabeat f... i'm having a very difficult time deciding.. earlier i compared it to which version of pokemon to buy, but a lot harder
02:32:09moosat end that will be you that will buy, not us
02:32:52BRi7Xtrahmm
02:32:54moosboth daps have good and bad points, and the most important, both support rockbox
02:33:14moosthen if you don't care about radio/recording just go for a gigabeat
02:33:27moosif no, go for an x5 or iriver h3xx
02:33:32BRi7Xtrai think i'll flip a coin... best out of 7
02:33:44BRi7Xtrawell wait wait wait, what's a h3xx like?
02:35:56BRi7Xtradoes either of the ones i've mentioned support usb charging?
02:36:08moosthey do
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02:37:00mooslook here for all supported models: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
02:37:10mooswith all specifications
02:37:17BRi7Xtrathank you
02:37:18linuxstb_Bri7Xtra: I don't think you'll be disappointed with either the X5 or gigabeat - they're both well-regarded.
02:37:24*chrisjs169 is back
02:37:42chrisjs169linuxstb_: yeah, a script executed by Rockbox
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02:38:38webguest60chrisjs: Check your ABI branch thread... a couple of comments you might be interested in.
02:39:49chrisjs169webguest60: I know, looking at them now
02:40:03webguest60That's me. ;-)
02:41:16moosgood night or whatever all
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02:51:44mrkHm.
02:51:46mrkSooooooo.
02:51:51mrkMost is well with rockbox...
02:51:52mrkbut!
02:51:57mrkthe two themes I downloaded..
02:52:07mrkthe now-playing screens look *nothing* like they look online
02:52:10Hilikushey any idea what this is in a wps
02:52:33BRi7Xtramrk: are the fonts the same?
02:52:36scorchemrk: then they likely contain an error
02:52:42midkaymrk: you might need a patched build. and please, if you could keep it to one concise line instead of six short split-up messages.
02:52:42mrkboth of them?
02:52:47scorcheand it loads the default WPS instead
02:52:49Hilikus%CfFFFFFF%s%al
02:52:54mrkwill do.
02:53:13mrkscorche: sounds like a possibility. if I select, pixel, for example...
02:53:18mrklet me take a picture for you.
02:53:19BRi7XtraHilikus: the FFFFFF kind of looks like the html color code for black... hrmm
02:53:52Hilikusyes but i dont know, it actually appears in the screen
02:54:05Hilikusi think im missing a patch but i dont know which one
02:54:16Hilikusi know %C is the cover art tag
02:54:23*scorche goes and gets lunch
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02:58:37mrkhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsGigabeatF?rev=1;filename=pixelbeta8.png
02:58:51mrkthat's what the theme is supposed to look like. mine looks like this:
02:59:01mrkhttp://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9886/rockboxpixel001fv9.jpg
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03:03:04linuxstb_mrk: Your screenshot just shows the default Rockbox theme. Which means Rockbox has rejected the .wps file as invalid.
03:03:31mrkah.
03:04:04mrkwell, I'm using... something catcher right now; one that came on the player
03:04:10mrkso, any idea why it would be rejected?
03:07:25digerati1338what is the difference between char and char*?
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03:15:21Nico_Pdigerati1338: char is a character whereas char* is a pointer to a char variable
03:16:13Nico_Pmrk: WPS files are rejected when they have syntax erros
03:16:17Nico_Perrors*
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03:29:37mrkwhy would it have a syntax error, though?
03:29:58mrkI unzipped the folders to the gigabeat, just as the instuctions (and everybody here) had told me to
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03:34:41digerati1338mrk: most likely its an older wps and needs to be updated to work with current code.
03:34:53mrkah.
03:34:57mrkso both are old...
03:35:01mrktried Pixel and BeatMP
03:35:07mrkso I'll just grab some other ones and try
03:35:28digerati1338It shouldn't be too hard to fix the code. WPSs are relatively simple.
03:35:40SoapMany WPSs have at least one problem.
03:35:58Soapthere is work afoot to confont this enemy and challenge him head on.
03:36:05Nico_Pmrk: for BeatMP I think the problem is the album art tags
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03:39:00Nico_Pmrk: in pixel it'll be a problem too... maybe not the only one though
03:39:09mrkI'm going to try Sta...
03:39:16mrkit's pretty :P
03:39:31Nico_Pthat one works fine I think
03:39:42mrka friend of mine uses it, and he's had no problems...
03:39:44mrkthat I know of
03:40:05Nico_Pyou'll need to update the clock tag though
03:40:19mrkhm?
03:40:51Nico_Pjust replace "%c- k:M -c" by "%c- %ck:%cM -"
03:40:59Nico_Pin the .wps file
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03:45:14chrisjs169since linuxstb_ seems to be idle, I guess I'll ask again...is it possible to have a script executed by Rockbox?
03:45:57aliaskchrisjs169: What kind of script?
03:46:05Nico_Pchrisjs169: I don't think so... what sort of script would that be ?
03:47:34chrisjs169aliask/Nico_P: mostly just 'simple' stuff such as moving folders or renaming them
03:47:51Nico_Pyou mean a shell script ?
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03:48:23aliaskchrisjs169: Scripts as such aren't possible, but you could make a plugin which would do what you wanted (probably)
03:48:29mrkahaha.
03:48:33chrisjs169lol
03:48:35maffek
03:48:35mrkpoor guy :P
03:48:41mrkI would do it...
03:48:41earHertzerm
03:48:46mrkbut I don't want to ruin my welcome :P
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03:49:32scorche(was that too mean? =P
03:49:34chrisjs169earHertz: you may want to do /msg nickserv set password [newpass]
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03:50:31aliaskHaha, poor guy.
03:50:37maffe:(
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03:51:03chrisjs169aliask: I've never made a plugin before...how exactly would I go about doing this?
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03:51:36Nico_Pchrisjs169: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
03:51:39aliaskchrisjs169: You need to know how to compile rockbox from source, for starters
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04:04:46Joelyhey, I'm just wanting some input on whether to make a codec or plugin for a {DAC,ADC} <-> infrared module..i know it works, i've tested it. i just need to make it more configureable at runtime. or maybe i need both? what i'm trying to do is have it be configured to a very large database of IR devices, and have a menu driven way of `pressing all the buttons!'
04:05:29Joelyi thought it would be fun to have my sansa be a universal remote.. :)
04:06:15Nico_PJoely: you mean you have the actual code ?
04:06:43aliaskJoely: That sort of thing sounds far more suited to be in a plugin.
04:07:12aliaskCodecs are used in rockbox for playing back or recording audio.
04:07:21Joelyreally? i just didn't want to have to generate a database and download that to my sansa....of the sound files
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04:07:39Joelyand the ir data _is_ a sound file ;)
04:07:42aliaskOh I see.
04:07:57aliaskSo you would have a folder full of "sound files" which output infrared.
04:09:07Joelyi really didn't want that though...what i wanted is something like a compact text database that renders itself to sound files as it's parsed
04:09:30Joelythat way i wouldn't have to take up so much space
04:09:51Nico_PI think a plugin would be better for this
04:10:09aliaskI still think that a plugin would be more suited. Does the sansa have a built in IR transmitter or are you connecting one via the headphone port?
04:10:25Joelyconnecting one via the headphone jack
04:10:58aliaskSo you're not really losing anything by not being able to play audio while the IR codec is loaded.
04:11:00Nico_Psounds fun
04:11:00Joelyi'm actually splitting it...so you can switch rapidly between ir and sound
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04:11:33Nico_Poutputting audio data from a plugin isn't too hard I think
04:11:46aliaskAs long as it's PCM data
04:12:14Soapyou going to sell these IR transmitters?
04:12:28aliask(by the way this project sounds damn cool)
04:12:33Soapaye
04:12:34Nico_Pwell it should be quite easy to have some sort of PCM <-> text command table
04:12:35JoelyNico_P, really? i just wanted an _easy_ way that would be thread safe and allow you to play audio too
04:13:03Nico_PI don't see how you can play audio at the same time
04:13:05JoelySoap, well...i was hoping you guys at rockbox might be willing to take over selling these things for money ;)
04:13:11Joelyyou rapidly switch
04:13:20Joelyyou just split the signal
04:13:24Nico_Pwell you would just quit the plugin and resume playback
04:13:29Nico_Pah
04:13:45Soapthe wiki awaits your component list.
04:13:54Nico_Pthat could be harder
04:14:25Nico_Pyou'd need to speak to someone who knows rockbox better for that :)
04:14:50aliaskIs the audio buffer locked from inside a plugin unless you stop it? If not you could just try inserting samples directly into the PCM buffer. (Probably not a very friendly method)
04:15:36aliaskYes, I think it'd be best to wait for the Europeans to wake up, I really don't know much about this sort of thing.
04:16:59Joelyi actually started this because i got a tivo...
04:17:02Joelywith no remote
04:17:03Joely><
04:18:03aliaskI'd love this if I watched TV at all. Or had any IR devices.
04:18:24Joelyme too, i'm just making it for my brother at college, haha
04:21:09*Nico_P is europeean :)
04:21:38aliaskYou're up very early. Or very late.
04:21:44Nico_Pbut I don't know much about the PCM buffer and I think I should be going to bed
04:21:59Nico_Pvery late :)
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04:23:08toffe82Joely: do you know this : http://www.codeproject.com/netcf/PocketBeamer.asp
04:23:40Joelyhmmm
04:24:21mrkwhat resolution should I use for album art on here?
04:24:24Joelyoh yeah, i saw that a few times, but it's discontinued, plus it's in c# :-P
04:24:27mrkgigabeat f, that is
04:25:14toffe82Joely: the idea is how they use the 2 channel to pass the frequency
04:25:51toffe82Joely: building the interface must be easy
04:25:58Joelybut i found an even cooler project, http://controlremote.sourceforge.net/ to use as the database
04:26:06Joelyyes it is
04:27:08Joelyhowever, mine has four....
04:28:25Joelyit uses a splitter from radio shack, two infrared leds, and two photodetectors, so it will be able to transfer data... (i stole the optical parts from two pdas! hehe)
04:29:21Joelyhttp://www.avagotech.com/assets/downloadDocument.do?id=2314
04:29:23Joelythose
04:30:03toffe82ok
04:30:35Joelybut it'll have to switch quite rapidly to do i/o
04:32:43toffe82check the site I gave you, it fix the problem of speed combining the 2 channels
04:34:18toffe82Joely: check this on the page " How can an audio signal turn into a 40Khz carrier signal"
04:34:42Joelyright, i meant `switching' being from DAC to ADC
04:34:44BRi7Xtraso toffe82: you recommend the gigabeat f as well, right?
04:35:04toffe82BRi7Xtra: yes
04:35:53toffe82Joely: dac to adc ? you want to receive too ?
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04:41:16toffe82BRi7Xtra: perhaps I am not the good person to answer as I don't know the othre player , but it is sure that the gigabeat is actually one of the more powerful dap
04:42:06Joelytoffe82, yup...on some players you might be able to do it..
04:43:12toffe82the gigabeat can do it, via the signal of the remote control which is connected to an adc
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04:48:45toffe82Joely: I didn't read all the log, you want to use the remote at the same time you are listening music ?
04:49:43Joelywell i realize it would drop down in quality...and they're not _really_ at the same time...just like one bit per cycle per side
04:50:54Joelyi haven't tried hacking away that much at audio codec ics to know what they're capable of..
04:50:57toffe82Joely: why not just stop the music the time you send the control ? sending a code is less than 1second ?
04:51:32Joelyyeah, true...but, there's one thing, idea number 2 that i started coding
04:51:36toffe82or because you are thinking about people who are using a remote like a gamepad ;)
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04:53:19Joelythat idea would be...using my tivo that i'm putting my own software on, to provide thumbnails of each channel as you scroll through, and then there would be a transmission to the audio device
04:53:43BRi7Xtraokay i'm going to order a gigabeat f. does anybody oppose? anybody want to change my mind?
04:53:57toffe82BRi7Xtra: no ;)
04:54:38BRi7Xtraalright, gigabeat f it is!
04:55:43toffe82BRi7Xtra: check on ebay, the max price for new in box with shipping in the us should be150$
04:55:47Joelywow, that's a pretty sweet jukebox! i just looked it up
04:56:03BRi7Xtranew on ebay?
04:56:08toffe82yes
04:56:09BRi7Xtrai'm on newegg at the moment
04:56:22BRi7Xtrahow come the 20GB one is more expensive than the 40GB one?
04:56:28BRi7Xtracould you direct link me to one so i don't screw it up
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04:56:38toffe82ther was a promo 3 weeks ago at 99$ at office depot and now they are on ebay :)
04:57:35BRi7Xtraon ebay all i see is cases and a 10GB model
04:57:39BRi7Xtrai'd prefer a 30 or 40
04:57:46toffe82http://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPods-MP3-Players_New-Sealed-Toshiba-Gigabeat-MEG-F40S-40GB-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ150119504172QQihZ005QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodsQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayersQQptdiZ254QQcmdZExpressItem
04:58:01toffe82this one is 99 + 30 fro shipping new in box
04:58:54toffe82this one http://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPods-MP3-Players_Toshiba-gigabeat-MEG-F40S-40-GB-Color-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ200106776038QQihZ010QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodsQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayersQQptdiZ254QQcmdZExpressItem
04:58:57BRi7Xtrahow long does it take to ship?
04:59:01toffe82a little more expensive
04:59:08BRi7Xtrawhat's the difference?
04:59:24toffe82not the same seller
04:59:48toffe82shipping depend on how they ship it and what option they give you
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05:00:28toffe82in the us if it is ups ground, maximum 7 days, depend where you leave from the seller
05:00:49mrkhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-600004.4.3
05:00:54mrkhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-600004.4.3
05:00:58mrker.
05:01:02mrkhow the hell do I get there?
05:01:09mrkthe instructions don't say anything about that
05:01:40BRi7Xtraso you recommend ebay over newegg? thanks by the way
05:02:15mrkI just want it to be organized as Artist (alphabetical) - Album (Release date) - Track (track number)
05:02:19mrkis that impossible?
05:02:21toffe82BRi7Xtra: how much is it on newegg ?
05:02:30mrkI just want all of my albums on one playlist like that
05:02:57BRi7Xtra215
05:03:03BRi7Xtrafor the 40
05:03:07BRi7Xtraand 250 for the 20
05:03:11BRi7Xtrawhich i don't understand at all
05:05:38mrkwhat the hell?
05:05:48mrkthis is the most counterintuitive thing I've ever used in my life
05:05:51mrkand I've used windows me
05:05:58BRi7Xtrawhat mrk?
05:06:21toffe82mrk: if you want all your album in a playlist, just create a playlist in playlist->createplaylist, it will creat a file root.m3u8, just play this file after
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05:07:26toffe82if not you have to use the database
05:07:52BRi7Xtratoffe82: could you find me a protective case for it? and do you think i should sell my broken ipod on ebay for some techie who likes fixing things?
05:07:56toffe82if you want more control
05:09:44toffe82BRi7Xtra: you can sell it on ebay or there : http://www.rapidrepair.com/ ,it seems that they buy everything ipod
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05:10:14H10_007quickfor WPS can you define how far a line of text should scroll?
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05:10:38toffe82BRi7Xtra: for the case this one perhaps http://www.zcover.com/zCover_index_Gigabeat.htm
05:10:58BRi7Xtrahttp://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPod-MP3-Player-Accessories_Leather-Skin-Case-Toshiba-Gigabeat-F-Screen-Protector-F_W0QQitemZ280102891782QQihZ018QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayerQ20AccessoriesQQptdiZ332QQcmdZExpressItem
05:10:59BRi7Xtrahow's that
05:11:26H10_007quickor the end point of it?
05:11:55toffe82BRi7Xtra: why not ;)
05:14:36toffe82H10_007quick: sorry don't know and it seems that there is nobody around to answer you
05:15:05toffe82just wait or try tomorrow ;)
05:15:38H10_007quickreally?
05:16:17mrkI'm getting it...
05:16:22mrkand I am using the database <_<
05:16:30mrkmy directory structure is nice
05:16:35mrkthe naming of the files, not so much
05:16:40mrkbut I'm going to have to redo that anyway
05:16:44mrkmaybe tonight
05:16:50krazykitshouldn't be hard.
05:17:04mrkright now, I just played the first album
05:17:18mrkand then went to database, artist, album, long select, playlist, insert last
05:17:24mrkgoes pretty quickly.
05:17:30mrkalso, HELLO, MY JEW-FRIEND.
05:17:43Hilikushey where can i find info about static const struct wps_tag all_tags[]
05:22:38scorchemrk: seriously...use one line
05:23:09mrkwhy are you only getting on me for it?
05:23:54scorchebecause
05:23:54scorchei
05:23:56scorchedont
05:23:56scorchesee
05:23:57scorcheanyone
05:23:59scorcheelse
05:24:00scorchedoingit
05:24:05scorcheannoying, eh?
05:24:18mrk<BRi7Xtra> 215
05:24:18mrk<BRi7Xtra> for the 40
05:24:18mrk<BRi7Xtra> and 250 for the 20
05:24:18DBUGEnqueued KICK mrk
05:24:18mrk<BRi7Xtra> which i don't understand at all
05:24:23mrk<toffe82> not the same seller
05:24:23mrk<toffe82> shipping depend on how they ship it and what option they give you
05:24:23mrk<toffe82> in the us if it is ups ground, maximum 7 days, depend where you leave from the seller
05:24:54mrkI'm not quoting anymore, but maybe you need to look harder.
05:25:47scorchehow do you know i havent PMed them about it or talked to them before?....point is, worry about yourself and what you are doing is against teh rules here
05:26:39mrkhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=FPxY8lpYAUM
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05:27:01scorcheand why did you link that?
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05:27:23mrkoh, no particular reason at all.
05:27:49scorchewell, that is quite off-topic....read the guidelines...you will get no more warnings
05:28:22mrkwell, it wasn't really off-topic in context, but sure thing.
05:28:38scorcheit doesnt pertain to rockbox at all, so yes it is off-topic
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05:31:24H10_007quickscorche: Can one define the start and end point of text in a WPS?
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05:33:04scorchei am not really a WPS guy
05:34:18H10_007quickoh ok
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05:44:28BRi7Xtramrk: those prices were on newegg
05:45:43BRi7Xtraalso, my gigabeat f has been ordered
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05:46:55mrkMine seems to be working fine, for the most part. Learning curve is a bit tricky, but not too bad once you're used to it. I just need album art right now, and I'd be pretty good.
05:47:00perkinsyu
05:47:03mrkI'm looking around on how to use it.
05:48:48perkinsis the anybody here
05:48:56mrkYes, people are here.
05:50:13Hilikusis there a built in way to change the color in the wps text?
05:50:37mrktry opening the file with notepad and seeing if there's anything there for you to mess with?
05:50:52scorcheHilikus: foreground color
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05:51:09Hilikushow do i change that from the wps file?
05:51:12Hilikuswhats the tag
05:51:36digerati1338to change foreground color edit the .cfg file in the themes folder.
05:51:47Hilikusoh but i mean just for 1 line
05:51:48digerati1338package it with your wps.
05:51:55digerati1338oh idk about that
05:51:57Hilikusnot for the whole thing
05:52:03scorcheyou cant do it for one line
05:52:06digerati1338there is a wiki page with all of the wps commands.
05:52:14digerati1338i didnt think you could either
05:52:22Hilikusmmmmm
05:52:23digerati1338the only way is to make it an image
05:52:35mrkhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045
05:52:37Hilikusis it worthed to write a patch for that?
05:52:47Hilikusall those patches are reeeeally old
05:52:48mrkis that all we've got in the way of album art support?
05:52:58digerati1338then you can do whatever color you want either in the background image (permanent) or by using the %xl and &xd commands
05:53:10scorchemrk: yes
05:53:26digerati1338Album art support is basically waiting for the Bmp resize patch
05:53:28Hilikuswhat do you mean make it an image
05:53:35mrkmk. I should get to work on making that, well, work, then.
05:53:38digerati1338put your text in an image
05:53:46mrkwould you conisder that difficult in the slightest?
05:53:49digerati1338if you want a single line of different text
05:53:50Hilikuswhats wrong with the bmp resize patch?
05:53:59digerati1338its out of sync i believe
05:54:07Hilikusi used it
05:54:13Hilikusit was, i manually changed it
05:54:14digerati1338or maybe it was being reworked
05:54:27Hilikusbut my build is so tweaked i cant make a patch out of it
05:54:49Hilikusbut the changes were all pretty simple
05:57:03mrkoh, boy.
05:57:09digerati1338hm?
05:57:16mrkpatching doesn't look like it's a subject to be taken lightly at all. blast.
05:57:34digerati1338its not that complicated if you're used to linux
05:57:46digerati1338but if you're new to the whole thing it is a bit overwhelming
05:57:51Hilikusjust find a compiled version for your dap
05:58:13scorchemrk: it is really only 3 commands or so once you have the environment set up
05:58:15digerati1338most of the precompiled builds are pretty good
05:58:22digerati1338yep
05:58:30digerati1338get cygwin running
05:58:38mrkthe whole environment setup doesn't look too fun, then :P
05:58:39scorcheor vmware or colinux
05:58:48Hilikusits not fun
05:58:51digerati1338then its just patch -p0 < patchname.patch
05:59:06Hilikusand i recommend real linux over all those emulators
05:59:09mrkI'm not /completely/ new to linux. I might as well be, though. I have a lot of friends who use it full-time, though, so I *may* be able to ask for their help.
05:59:16digerati1338yep
05:59:26scorchein the case of vmware, you simply download vmware and the image, and install vmware, open the image..not hard at all
05:59:28digerati1338real linux rox
05:59:37Hilikusbut again, if you are not into it, just find a precompiled version
05:59:45scorchethose "emulators" are real linux..
05:59:46mrkgaaaaaaah. Annoying, just to view album are. whatever, though. I'll get on it eventually.
05:59:52scorchecygwin isnt, but vmware and colinux are
05:59:57digerati1338and it might actually be easier to install ubuntu than trying to get cygwin to work right
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06:00:04Hilikustrue
06:00:04mrkprecompiled? that sounds like I'd like it :P
06:00:15mrkI have an ubuntu livecd :P
06:00:22scorchedigerati1338: then dont use cygwin and use something else..
06:00:50Joelyheh, if all you're going to use is patch...you could try the ported win32 gnu utils... http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/UnxUtils.zip
06:01:22digerati1338im only using cygwin cuz this is my dad's computer and he won't let me repartition his harddisk. Im running slackware on my other box.
06:01:23mrkall I want is album art based on one image in each album-folder in the simplest way possible <_<
06:01:27Hilikuswhats the point of patching and not compiling
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06:01:45Hilikusmrk what dap do you use
06:01:48scorchedigerati1338: neither vmware or colinux require partitioning either..
06:01:52mrkgigabeat f.
06:01:57digerati1338mrk: any build with the album art patch will do that.
06:02:08Hilikusjust ask someone to compile it for you
06:02:14digerati1338save the art as cover.bmp in the albums folder
06:02:26mrkyeah, I know what to do with the actual album art.
06:02:38mrk100x100, cover.bmp, one per album-folder.
06:02:59mrkI just dunno how the process of patching the dap to make album art work works.
06:03:05mrkthat's for a later time, though.
06:03:15mrkit's relatively late, and I've school tomorrow, so I'm out.
06:03:21Hilikusif mine compiled i would compile one for you but im trying to get color lines so it screw up the whole code
06:03:52JoelyHilikus, hehe well i thought for sure he had gcc through something like bloodshed or w/e that suite is called..
06:04:02Joelyhe/she*
06:04:19digerati1338i better get going as well. I've got exams tomorrow.
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06:06:19Joelymrk, sorry, i wasn't really paying attention....do you want me to compile something for you?
06:06:33mrknah, you don't have to do anything for me.
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06:06:38mrkthanks for the offer, though. quite generous.
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06:06:48mrkman, I need some aspirin. my head is *killing* me.
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06:09:31energia`gotmilk-Hey I installed rockbox on my sansa e200 and my computer doesnt recognize it anymore when I plug it in
06:12:28energia`gotmilk-Can I get any help please
06:12:44mrkIt depends. Do you have any milk for me?
06:13:07energia`gotmilk-funny...
06:13:38mrkApologies. I'm a newb, so I really can't help you, and am just wasting both of our time as we sit here.
06:14:22Joelywell, are you in rockbox mode or the orig firmware?
06:16:04energia`gotmilk-Rockbox
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06:16:15energia`gotmilk-ROckbox loads automaticly
06:16:22energia`gotmilk-I just want to uninstall it
06:16:43energia`gotmilk-But when I plug it in winodws says it doesnt recognize the device anymore
06:16:45Joelyoh, well if you want to uninstall it... hold down <<
06:16:49Joelywhile booting
06:17:32energia`gotmilk-ahhhh
06:17:37energia`gotmilk-thank u so much
06:17:41Joelynp
06:17:41energia`gotmilk-I was kinda freaking out
06:17:42energia`gotmilk-lol
06:18:24Joelyyou didn't like rockbox on it?
06:18:26Joely:-P
06:18:41energia`gotmilk-Well I thought itd be graphicly nice...
06:18:47Joelythere are themes
06:18:55energia`gotmilk-I know but only the colors change
06:19:55Joelyhttp://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/176x220x16/aZure_V2.png
06:19:57Joelyyou sure?
06:20:33energia`gotmilk-Rofl mine sure didnt look like that
06:20:47Joelyyes, because it had the default
06:20:52Joelyyou have to load .wps files
06:20:56energia`gotmilk-I tryed all the theme on the player that came with rockbox
06:21:11scorchethere are a lot of themes that are waiting to be fixed at the moment
06:21:24scorchewhen there is an error with one, it defaults back tot eh default
06:21:39energia`gotmilk-oki
06:22:06energia`gotmilk-well now that I know How to come back to sansa firmware I guess I could give it a shot
06:22:31Joelyhaha :-D
06:22:40Joelyjust reboot
06:22:45Joelyand don't hold down anything
06:22:53energia`gotmilk-And is it normal that the player didnt seem to read my sd card ?
06:23:02Joelyright now there isn't sd support
06:23:06energia`gotmilk-oki
06:23:40energia`gotmilk-I guess someone is working on it if u say "right now.."
06:25:33Joelyhrm, i really don't know...i don't have an sd card to test
06:26:30energia`gotmilk-oki
06:27:24energia`gotmilk-well Il drop by rockbox.org from times to times to see if its been fixed! :P Thanxz a lot for ur help Joely
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06:27:42Joelyyup, once again, no problem!
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06:34:16Joelypoke, Soap.
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07:23:30JdGordondaurn: you therE?
07:23:35daurnha
07:23:39daurnJUST turned monitor on
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07:23:49JdGordonhey
07:23:54daurnand i see the screen scroll
07:24:00daurnand speakers beep
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07:31:33webguest97hello
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07:31:50Joelyhey webguest97
07:32:25webguest97Can anyone help me with an issue I have with my F40
07:33:08Joelyjust ask your question, silly ;)
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07:34:25webguest97I am having issues with my Gigabeat F40 and the Cabbie theme
07:34:54toffe82webguest97: what kind of problem ?
07:36:38webguest97My screen freezes on the cabbie theme , only black at startup. I am unable to reset my unit by holding A and Power or by switching battery to off then on
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07:44:07Joelywebguest97, if you've got time...i'll check for you in the simulator..
07:44:24webguest97I only see the ROCKBOX and gigabeat logos. No choice for files , system etc
07:48:35Joelyhmm it works for me in the sim...
07:49:27webguest97ok thanks
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07:52:34Joelywell i'm off to bed! bye!
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07:54:06webguest97The cabbie theme worked before with no issues. Now it just get stuck. I just want to reset my unit. How if the conventional ways have'nt worked
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07:58:39BRi7Xtraoh, i'm going to have a terrible in time in school this week. i ordered my gigabeat f, it'll take a while to get here from my understanding. my deal for this week is putting whatever music fits onto my DS... i can only fit around four albums :( i can't wait till i get my gigabeat and load it up with rockbox
07:59:37BRi7Xtraterrible time*
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08:20:10amiconnmo0ning
08:23:28amiconnJdGordon: I have a new bug for you ;) (Introduced last week; I think it might be related to your menu system conversion work)
08:24:33amiconnThe menu items no longer scroll - on all targets. The annoyance factor varies with font size and lcd resolution of course
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08:39:34combrainshi all
08:40:29combrainsive been out of the loop for a little while and I have just compiled the latest svn
08:40:56combrainsi did a make fullzip and it didnt include the rockbox.gigabeat file
08:41:06combrains(in the zip that is)
08:41:13amiconnIt most probably did
08:41:31daurnamiconn: JdGordon says that pixelma told him this morning
08:41:37amiconnrockbox.<target> now resides in .rockbox
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08:42:22amiconnYou might need to update your bootloader
08:42:43combrainsamiconn: yes i know that but what suprised me was that it put fwimg01.dat into the zip rather than rockbox.gigabeat
08:43:08amiconnOh? Hmm, then I don't know...
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08:43:15*amiconn has no gigabeat
08:43:25combrainsbut i still need both files atm?
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09:20:40combrainsok this is wierd
09:22:02combrainsI did a 'make veryclean' then the whole configure/make thing (for a normal build) and then a 'make fullzip' and I get a file called fwimg01.dat in the .rockbox folder indide the zip
09:22:16combrainsshould this not be called rockbox.gigabeat
09:22:31combrainsor has somthing changed that I don't know about
09:27:14B4gderisn't that a boot loader build?
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09:29:51combrainsi believe so but i only built the normal part - not the bootloader itself - or is this done automatically now?
09:30:01B4gdernope
09:31:33combrainsnever mind - I think I found the culprit
09:32:44combrainsseems konqueror is displaying a file called fwimg01.dat when I view the zip but if I look at the zip in archiver, I see a file called rockbox.gogabeat - which is the one I want to see
09:33:00combrainsgrrr
09:33:02B4gder!
09:34:10combrainssomething to do with konqueror's cache ith ink coz I just hit F5 and it sorted itself out :)
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09:51:47JdGordonamiconn: fixed
09:52:14JdGordonCommitted revision 13337. <- l337 :D
09:52:28*scorche slaps JdGordon
09:52:49peturrofl
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10:26:01combrainsquick question about the flashy new custom icon feature
10:26:34combrainswhy will rockbox not change th icons when i select the apprpriate theme
10:26:48JdGordonbecause the .bmp doesnt exist?
10:27:16combrainsi downloaded and installed the full icon zip from the extras page
10:27:21combrainsso it should work
10:30:32JdGordonare we calling the power button power or menu in the lang file for the sansa?
10:33:32B4gderon the behalf of our new advertisement policy, that button is now called the McDonalds button
10:33:59JdGordonhaha ok
10:34:05*JdGordon updates manual accordingly
10:34:16JdGordonseems to be power in the manual... so power it is
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10:43:48amiconnB4gder: Maybe a disk quota problem again?
10:44:04B4gdercould be, yes
10:44:12JdGordonhmm... seems I made the menus worse :(
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10:49:44JdGordonB4gder: is there anyway to do a commit but not get it to rebuild? or shhuold I just put the 2 sort-of-unrelated changs i the one commit?
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10:50:00B4gderno and no ;-)
10:50:21JdGordonok, 2 commits coming right up
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12:39:15linuxstbjhMikeS: Around?
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13:12:51*B4gder finds the 09 f9 story hilarous
13:13:11JdGordon09 f9? wtf... your missing the other 14 pairs..
13:13:21B4gder:-)
13:13:24JdGordonwe cant get sued if your missing them
13:13:37JdGordons/we/you
13:14:30*linuxstb watches the conversation fly over his head
13:14:40B4gderlinuxstb: nice cleanup!
13:14:52B4gderlinuxstb: the HD-DVD "crack"
13:15:07B4gderhttp://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005229.php
13:17:06chrisjs169B4gder: Yay, my server is working properly :D
13:17:23B4gderyes it does
13:19:08B4gderjust not the fastest network
13:19:18B4gder"Copied rbclient@home.nuclearscripting.com:build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip in 44 seconds, 41073 bytes/second"
13:19:32markunthe X5 doesn't have a special ipod connector on it's dock, does it?
13:19:42daurnJdGordon: would you be near MSY soon?
13:19:43B4gdermarkun: no
13:19:57markunprobably a typo: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10346.0
13:20:02JdGordondaurn: can be
13:20:11B4gderit has power, mini-usb, line in and line out
13:20:25daurnJdGordon: you can buy another microSD card if you want, I need one too
13:20:38daurnpay you back next time i see you
13:21:00B4gdermarkun: most likely yes
13:21:02JdGordonim broke... so na :)
13:21:05daurnonly $18 :P
13:21:37daurnyour screen is real smudgy
13:23:15daurnJdGordon: you have backups of all the music?
13:23:26JdGordonyeah
13:23:28JdGordoncourse
13:23:34daurnjust checkin
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13:24:40daurnany ideas how to recursivly copy a folder, not copying .wvc files? (in windows)
13:25:53JdGordonrsync
13:26:57daurnfoobar seems to do it ;)
13:27:46*daurn yells wtf
13:27:58daurnyour h300 just reset itself a few times for no particular reason
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13:29:03Davo_DinkumHi people
13:29:09daurndamn, battery low
13:29:13markunhi Davo_Dinkum
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13:30:33JdGordondaurn: unless you left it on the whole time batt cant be low.. its been charging for the last week
13:31:02daurntried to copy some *good* music onto it, and it shutdown with "battery low"
13:31:35daurnhmmm
13:31:39daurndid it with charger also in
13:32:35daurnwhenever I turn it ON, i get battery flat now
13:32:54JdGordonyou didnt plug a charger with the wrong polarity in did you?
13:33:10daurn... no
13:33:29Davo_DinkumMaybe the battery doesn't hold charge anymore
13:33:37daurnwho the hell has centre negative plugs
13:33:49Davo_Dinkumdaurn: Weirdos, that's who
13:34:43JdGordondaurn: can you boot into OF? (hold rec while on)
13:34:48JdGordonhold rec+on
13:35:13daurnlow battery
13:35:47JdGordonhmm.. turn it on, then when that low batt screen coms on plug in ac
13:35:55daurnuh.... AC IS in
13:36:12JdGordonand connected to the wall?
13:36:28daurnwtf do you think i am
13:36:44JdGordonit may have fallen out :p
13:36:54daurnhmmm
13:36:57daurntook out remote
13:36:59daurnit botted
13:38:46Davo_DinkumSo can Rockbox completely replace the apple firmware?
13:38:58JdGordonapart from usb it can
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13:39:46Davo_DinkumAh, so I would still need the apple firmware to actually put songs on the ipod?
13:40:28JdGordonyeah
13:40:32JdGordonno...
13:40:41JdGordonyeah... but you can do it in explorer.. not itunes
13:40:56Davo_DinkumI'm not using windows
13:41:19JdGordonthen your fine... the ipd coms up as a usb disk
13:41:27Davo_DinkumMass storage device?
13:41:30JdGordonye
13:41:41Davo_DinkumJolly good
13:44:13linuxstbDavo_Dinkum: You need to either select "enable use as disk" option in itunes or just uninstall itunes
13:44:34Davo_DinkumI don't use itunes either
13:44:43Davo_DinkumI'm running gNewSense
13:44:48Davo_Dinkumwww.gnewsense.org
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13:59:55Toni1linuxstb: I still think, that the cop is doing nothing on the sansa, except waking up and going to slepp once a second
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14:02:25jhMikeStoni1: yep, that's pretty much it. I was investigating not even having a COP main thread at all.
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14:05:23Toni2jhMikeS: I checked with my emu, and found that beside some core_lock() and core_unlock() nothing was running on the cop
14:06:11jhMikeSmpegplayer uses it, that's it right now
14:06:39Toni2I just checked the mpegplayer, and the stack usage remains at 4%
14:07:03jhMikeSmpegplayer adds it's own thread
14:07:29Toni2Ah, ok, that explains it. :)
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14:10:33Toni2jhMikeS: What about the as3514 registers, which are not set currently 0x17-0x1d?
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14:11:52JdGordonToni2: can you get you emulator to fake an sd card and see what the OF does differently?
14:12:55Toni2I think this should be possible, if the switch is known, which defines 'sd inserted'
14:13:17JdGordonyeah its a single bit..
14:13:28Toni2which one?
14:14:02JdGordonfinding it... unless someone bats me
14:14:06Toni2:-)
14:15:08jhMikeStoni2: if the IRQs dying out could be fixed on 5020 the COP can have plenty to do :)
14:15:50jhMikeSToni2: the as3514 registers should be set, but I'm reading out reg 0x15 and 0x00 sometimes and 0x38 others, but it should always be 0x00 after reset
14:16:48Toni2ok, I tried both: setting to zero and setting to 0x38 ... without success
14:18:07Toni2and registers 0x17-0x1c were mainly set to 5 by some magics
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14:18:12jhMikeSdid you do a dump to see if it gets read back randomly like that? I dumped in the shadow reg init loop
14:18:34jhMikeSthey're not valid registers
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14:19:30Toni2yes, I periodically read the content in the debug screen. Ok, so they are invalid.
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14:20:34JdGordonToni2: I know its on B4gder's site somwhere but cant find it now :(
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14:21:23Toni2Hopefully someone with the 'full' specs has this audio problem. :-)
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14:21:51B4gderyou mean sandisk employees? ;-)
14:21:52jhMikeSToni2: I even moved the device reset to rtc_init which is the first code that talks to it, and nothing changed with the randomness :\
14:21:58Toni2JdGordon: Ok, I can search myself.
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14:24:24Toni2I will report, if I get the emu results on sd card insertion.
14:24:37JdGordonawesome, thanks
14:24:43JetonJdGordon: Thanks for accepting http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7087
14:24:52Toni2bye
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14:25:07JdGordonJeton: :)
14:25:17JetonI've tested it, it works. But it needs some calibration.
14:25:21intgrDoes Rockbox support resuming from the exact same position where it was before shutting down?
14:25:30JetonLike One scroll per line.
14:25:33JdGordonintgr: it tries its best
14:25:46JdGordonJeton: it should only scroll one line per click
14:26:09JetonI've tried it. It doesn't.
14:26:26JdGordondoes it scroll more than one line in the menus/browsers ?
14:26:52Jetonnope, the menu/browser scrolling is fine. It's the same as in the original firmware.
14:27:07JdGordonthats odd.. it shuold all work the same...
14:27:20*JdGordon checking if i have a ncie long txt on my sansa
14:27:22Jetonand... maybe i'm wrong here
14:27:48Jetonbut isn't it supposed to be: scrolling on the right side would scroll the text down.
14:27:58Jetonnow you need to scroll to the left to scroll it down.
14:28:20JdGordonworks as expected here...
14:28:28JetonAlso, when clicking the REC button, automatic scrollin should stop/start ?
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14:28:39JdGordonyes
14:28:42Jetonbecause i click it , but it doesn't start.
14:28:53Jetoni'm gonna try it now, just to make sure.
14:28:58Jetonwill report in a minute or so.
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14:31:29spiorfthe mazezam game saves 1 level back: it's a wanted behaviour?
14:31:30*jhMikeS still needs an H10 check to see if he can work things out on other PP5020 based devices :\
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14:33:22JetonJdGordon: It works! with the latest build. Probably i messed up things yesterday because of the server downtime.
14:33:28JetonSorry for the confusion.
14:35:09linuxstbCan anyone (Bagder?) explain why adding #include "codecs.h" to plugin.h would cause these build errors? http://www.pastebin.ca/475393
14:38:26B4gderno I can't... but I suggest running only the preprocessor and checking the output manually to see if you understand it better
14:39:24linuxstbHow would I do that?
14:39:41B4gderuse make V=1, copy the command line, use -E instead of -c
14:39:54linuxstbOK, thanks.
14:39:55B4gderand possibly change the output file name as well
14:44:38linuxstb_ctype_ seems to be converted to rb->_ctype_ somewhere...
14:46:12B4gder./firmware/include/ctype.h:#define _ctype_ (rb->_ctype_)
14:46:29linuxstbJust found it...
14:46:42Davo_DinkumAre 64GB CF cards out yet?
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14:56:00intgrImagine a RAID array of those!
14:56:07intgr:)
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15:00:30intgrHas anyone ever heard of flash memory devices failing, though?
15:01:20B4gderno, they'll live forever!
15:01:26B4gder:-P
15:02:33intgrWell, they will eventually leak their charge, but people rarely keep the same data unchanged for 10+ years.
15:03:08intgrBut I meant unexpected failures.
15:03:13B4gderI've heard several people suffer from bad storage
15:03:27B4gderwith usb "sticks"
15:03:42intgrAh, brand-name ones too?
15:04:32B4gderyes
15:04:37B4gderwhatever brands mean
15:04:48B4gderI mean, there are probably not that many difference flash makers
15:04:56intgrTrue.
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15:06:40intgrB4gder: By the way, do you have any thoughts on porting Rockbox to a 24-bit DSP architecture?
15:06:58intgrDoes Rockbox currently run on any "true" DSPs?
15:06:59B4gder24bit how?
15:07:11B4gdernope
15:07:13intgrhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MotorolaDSP56k
15:07:56LinusNdoes rockbox itself have to run on the dsp? i thought it was a dual-core arm+dsp solution
15:07:59intgrSo I figure that it will be a PITA? :)
15:08:14B4gderwell, the lack of compiler will be the first pita I guess
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15:08:47intgrB4gder: There are lots of compilers, just none that have hit the version 1.0 milestone. ;)
15:09:02B4gderO dpm
15:09:06B4gdersorry
15:09:12B4gderI don't think 24 bits is gonna be a problem
15:09:21intgrOh?
15:09:43intgrLinusN: Well, as far as I can tell, there is only one controller core on the SoC, which is the DSP.
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15:09:50LinusNouch
15:09:50B4gderthat seems to be a 24 bit addressing limitation
15:10:07intgrB4gder: Nope, the smallest addressable unit is 24 bits.
15:10:23intgrThe address space is lower 16 bits of pointers.
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15:10:58B4gderwhat does that mean?
15:11:25intgrThat it can address up to 2^16 24-bit words.
15:11:38intgrBut not individual bytes.
15:12:06B4gderbut that's more like 16bit addressing to me
15:12:18intgrYeah, 16-bit addressing for 24-bit words.
15:12:29B4gderthat's not what freescale.com says
15:12:36B4gder"24 bit addressing"
15:12:51B4gderbut I guess that doesn't matter too much at this point ;-)
15:13:08intgr:)
15:13:32intgrFreescale doesn't support the old 560xx series anyway.
15:13:42intgrSo perhaps it's a difference between the newer revisions.
15:14:44intgrhttp://juffo.org/stuff/DSP56004.pdf
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15:20:54intgrAnyway, I contacted the person behind the MobiBLU port, and he hasn't given up yet.
15:21:36linuxstbintgr: How much RAM do these devices have?
15:24:35intgrHold on.
15:25:05amiconnintgr: There was an incomplete port to a DSP target once - the Archos gmini 1xx and SP
15:25:24amiconnThose targets are CalmRISC16 based
15:25:25intgramiconn: Oh, any ideas where I can dig up the source?
15:25:37intgrAh
15:26:32B4gderthe biggest problems with that port was 1) 16bits 2) Harvard arch
15:26:39amiconnThe source was cut from cvs as the port was stalled for nearly 2 years (the only developer disappeared (we know why) and no one else picked up the port)
15:27:03intgrYeah, this one is Hardvard as well.
15:27:20B4gderthat's a pain for plugins and loadable codecs
15:27:39amiconnPlugins are possible with harvard arch - provided there is code RAM
15:27:49B4gdertrue
15:28:05amiconnBut the gmini only had data RAM, code was ROM only
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15:28:23intgrNow, according to a spec I could find, the STMP3410 has 96k-words of RAM.
15:28:38amiconn(well, flash rom, otherwise a port would have been completely impossible)
15:28:42intgrWhich contradicts what I said about 16-bit addresses earlier.
15:28:55B4gderhehe
15:29:41intgrSo 288 kilo-octets, which is quite a lot I suppose.
15:30:04amiconnlinuxstb: Nice green delta line :)
15:30:47intgrIt only has 8 kwords of ROM on the die, so there's just barely space for a bootloader.
15:31:11B4gder8kwords should be enough for a primary bootloader
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15:31:34intgrAnd the MP3 player I have has a 128MB flash chip.
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15:33:14linuxstbamiconn: Shame it's only swcodec though...
15:33:41linuxstb(for now...)
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15:43:17intgr"the only developer disappeared (we know why)"
15:43:24intgramiconn: Why?
15:44:29intgrLegal problems?
15:45:36B4gderno, economical
15:45:57B4gderand I guess the feeling of loneliness he must have felt didn't help
15:46:05intgrAh, okay.
15:46:37intgrBut speaking of legalese, have there been any legal threats to any of the developers?
15:46:47B4gderyes
15:46:56B4gderbut only due to various plugins etc
15:46:56markunfrom the Tetris company
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15:47:04Zagorand popcap
15:47:06markunand because of Jewels
15:47:10B4gderand AT&T voices
15:47:15intgr(?)
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15:47:39intgrBut not for reverse engineering?
15:47:42Zagordid anyone ever manage to get a response from at&t about that?
15:47:46B4gderintgr: nope
15:47:50B4gderZagor: nope
15:47:53intgrOk, good.
15:48:01Zagorintgr: reverse engineering is not illegal
15:48:08intgrI'm not too worried about being able to play tetris on my MP3 player. :)
15:48:20B4gderintgr: you can, it just can't be called Tetris...
15:48:23JdGordonanyone else got a gmini402?
15:48:30intgrWell, "reverse engineering" can also mean "digging up confidential documents" sometimes...
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15:48:33markunZagor: I think in the USA it's illegal if you use it to circumvent a copy protection
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15:49:02B4gderintgr: we don't do illegal activities really
15:49:06intgrMost player don't enforce copy protection on DRM-free files.
15:49:14markunintgr: the Gigabeat does
15:49:38intgrB4gder: Right.
15:51:08markunsubjects like these make me want to delete the post: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10331.0
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15:51:30B4gderamen
15:51:33intgr:(
15:52:17markunB4gder: and sometimes I understand it from people who just bricked their player for example, but this guy didn't even install rockbox or read anything about it.
15:52:44B4gderI never read those entries
15:53:01B4gderif they can't make me interested with a good subject, they're not worth reading ;-)
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15:53:18JetonJdGordon: can the text be displayed on the Sansa in a 90Degrees or 270 Degrees Rotation? (txt viewer plugin)
15:53:39markunB4gder: I should try harder to resist as well..
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15:54:45JdGordonJeton: no :(
15:55:56JetonWell, i already can read text on my Sansa and i can scroll it with the scrollwheel (something i never imagined would be able to do). so that's fine. I'm happy with it :D
15:56:05Jetonthanks.
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15:59:55intgrThe lack of 32-bit and 64-bit integer datatypes is probably also going to be a PITA.
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16:22:49ccittmornin all
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16:23:37ccittwhat steps do i need to build the ipod bootloader? i cant seem to find any build instructions other than rockbox itsself.
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16:23:53ccitti have run configure and make in my build dir and i think its good but how do i install that?
16:24:06linuxstbccitt: It's exactly the same, just choose "B" for bootloader, instead of "N" for normal.
16:24:08ccitti wanna make sure my development and testing is from a clean baseline, being the svn from today
16:24:16ccittyeah i know i already built it
16:24:20ccitthow do i install it?
16:24:33linuxstbipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodname.ipod
16:24:33ccittsorry i guess i did ask building
16:24:42ccittcool thanks
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17:09:29Lozzyhey. I just looked up something in the manual for rockbox on an ipod 5G. I want to reset to my original settings manually, but using hold on startup just boots me in to my apple firmware.
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17:10:54badsheepyisnt that what its supposed to do
17:11:03badsheepyi thought it was some other button combo to reset the settings
17:11:09badsheepycant remember what though
17:11:10dionoeait's the hold button
17:11:21dionoeafor ipods
17:11:33badsheepyhold definately boots me into ipod fw
17:11:37Lozzythe hold button boots me in to the apple firmware dionoea, I think they changed it.
17:11:41dionoeayou power it on and the switch hold on as fast as possible
17:12:04LozzyI'll try again, sec.
17:12:06Killezheya, just a quick nifty idea i was having, prolly impossible, but is there any way in hell one could make a rockbox equipped player read and play music off an external hard drive/usb stick plugged into the player ?
17:12:29dionoeait might be possible if/when rockbox gets usb otg support
17:12:41dionoeai think that someone is working on that as part of Google's Summer of Code
17:12:46Killezaww cool
17:12:48linuxstbLozzy: You need to turn hold on after the Rockbox bootloader starts - i.e. after the backlight comes on.
17:13:06Lozzyokay, thanks linuxstb.
17:13:20Killezipod nano+300gig external hardrive and there goes the smallest hifi with my whole music collectio
17:13:31Lozzyah, that's awesome, thanks!
17:14:05Killezjesus yeah, a 3.5 ext hdd, ipod nano, t-amp and thats one sweet minimalistic setup :P
17:14:15ccittdoes anyone know of a vender who sells high capacity 1.8" drives i can use in my 5g?
17:14:32ccittwell, relatively high capacity
17:15:12Killezstill, ill have to wait then, no simple way to access all music in the bedroom for the gf then :P
17:15:20Killezwithotu setting up a pc there
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17:18:43ccittdoes anyone know if anyone has started working on a usb-mode for rockbox-ipod? this is a winpod5g
17:21:38peturdo ipods have usbotg?
17:21:58linuxstbafaik, yes.
17:25:13markuna = [ 0.01000 0.00763 0.00832 0.01036 ]
17:25:17markunoops
17:25:49markundoes anyone know how to generate a brown(ian) noise generator?
17:27:49*linuxstb has a test_codec plugin working - for proper benchmarking of codecs...
17:28:24*petur waits for the first round of codec optimizing
17:29:05linuxstbAbout 2 years too late...
17:30:05bluebrothernot at all −− just think of the wma codec project ;)
17:34:32jhMikeSmarkun: yes, integrate white noise
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17:42:04Nico_Plinuxstb: what does it do ?
17:43:43linuxstbNico_P: It loads a track into the audio buffer, and decodes it as fast as it can via the codec api, displaying the total time at the end.
17:44:02Nico_Pnice
17:44:17linuxstbThe plugin implements the playback-engine half of the codec API itself.
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17:45:55linuxstbMain problem left is that it won't work with libmad because libmad needs too much stack - my plugin runs the codecs in the main thread, and the main stack is smaller than the codec stack. So I think I need to create my own codec thread, using the same IRAM stack that the main codec thread is using....
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17:56:31Nico_Plinuxstb: is your plugin ready for SVN ?
17:56:59linuxstbNot yet, but I can post a patch.
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17:57:21Nico_PI'd like that :)
17:57:30linuxstbhttp://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_codec.diff
17:58:15linuxstbIt's still buggy I think - I just tried a vorbis file and it crashed.
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17:58:55linuxstbI think it also needs a wav-writing mode - just so I can be sure it's actually decoding something... The decode times seem very fast.
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17:59:23linuxstbe.g. a 138s FLAC file is decoded in about 33s on my ipod - over 4x realtime.
17:59:54Nico_Pisn't flac very efficient ?
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18:00:03Nico_Por is that too efficient ?
18:01:24linuxstbI guess it's about right... 4x realtime implies an ipod running at around 19MHz. But that doesn't include the overhead of the WPS and the actual playback
18:02:01markunjhMikeS: I was more hoping for a way to generate it directly, like this one for pink noise: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eltrammell/tech/pinkalg.htm
18:02:13Nico_Phmm the viewers.config needs an edit, doesn't it ?
18:02:46linuxstbNico_P: Oops, forgot that in my diff... Yes, just assign it to any music type - e.g. wav.
18:03:27linuxstbNew patch uploaded.
18:03:40Nico_Psame URL ?
18:03:54linuxstbYes
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18:07:41Nico_Pwow 0.07 seconds to decode a 3247 m4a file ^^
18:07:53Nico_P3247 seconds*
18:08:04linuxstbThat's perhaps not correct then...
18:08:28Nico_Por it's proof that there's no need to optimise on the gigabeat :)
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18:09:41linuxstbAre you sure it's 3247 seconds long, not 3 seconds? The display in test_codec is in ms.
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18:10:23Nico_Pit's a long file
18:10:25linuxstbAh, the second display is in seconds, sorry...
18:10:36markunlinuxstb: did you invert the real-time percentage calculation?
18:10:45linuxstbmarkun: No, I like it backwards...
18:10:49markunok :)
18:10:59dionoeamarkun: can't you just use a formula such as new freq = old freq * exp( gaussian random variable ) ?
18:11:02markunso 50% realtime is better than 200%?
18:11:48markundionoea: I have no clue what that should do
18:12:03linuxstbmarkun: I'm happy to go with what people think - I don't really care either way.
18:12:10dionoeathat generates a brownian path
18:12:21dionoeai'm not sure how brownian noise relates to that though :)
18:12:37linuxstbNico_P: Have you got anything to work?
18:13:29Nico_Plinuxstb: I tried with an MP3 file... it appears to be doing something but it seems long to me
18:15:17*linuxstb afk, back later
18:15:17markundionoea: hm, me neither :)
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18:20:54Joelyhttp://www.farnell.com/datasheets/90783.pdf <−− hehe we should those for the IR modules! and i was thinking...if somebody _really_ is interested in usb otg or other player to player communication....this infrared stuff would be great as a backup for compatibility with `older' players or those that just don't have usb otg
18:21:05dionoeamarkun: http://nsr.bioeng.washington.edu/Software/NSR_SW_fractal.html
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18:23:47intgrHmm, infrared communication through headphone jack?
18:23:48markundionoea: thanks
18:24:22intgrBut most players with audio input don't have mic jacks, do they?
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18:25:34Joelywell, those players that don't have lines in have usb otg..
18:25:47intgrAh.
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18:35:07testdasidoes anyone know how is it that the battery reading for the sansa e200 is always about half the actual run time? I am guessing it's either the battery capacity is halfed (which is not really true because the define says 750, correct value) or the runcurrent is doubled (the run current code looks fine to me)
18:35:47ccitttestdasi: yo uneed to set your battery capacity
18:35:51ccittit is set too high
18:36:01ccitthmm
18:36:14ccittnvm
18:36:34ccittare you using the latest snapshot?
18:36:57ccitti had a similar issue on my ipod5g but the latest revision fixed it
18:38:48testdasihey, thanks. I think I know how to fix it now :D
18:40:55ccitthey no problemo :)
18:41:18pixelmabattery info, especially runtime estimation hasn't been calibrated on most of the newer targets. I believe that applies to Sansa and any kind of Ipods...
18:41:41ccittpixelma: i can speak for the 30g 5g ipod - it is now calibrated properly
18:41:56ccittbut i can dig that many other targets are not
18:42:23linuxstbccitt: Do you mean the battery percentage or the runtime estimation?
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18:46:10ccittlinuxstb: both seem to be working now - the percentage was off before, due to a lack of correct values to select for the battery capacity
18:46:28ccittwith the latest clean build from svn, it works great
18:46:54midkay_hmm. so i'm having a problem with a friend's Rockboxed nano.. it won't turn on.
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18:47:05midkay_it's charged, and plugged in. it won't reset.
18:47:18ccittdid you try restoring it in itunes?
18:47:32ccitttry that and then reload rockbox
18:47:40midkay_it doesn't turn on at all.. no power, no USB connection.
18:47:43midkay_totally blank LCD.
18:47:43ccittis it a nano v2?
18:47:55midkay_it's a first-gen. it worked fine a couple days ago.
18:47:59ccittoh ok
18:48:00markunmidkay_: nice, he thinks you are a noob :)
18:48:15midkay_markun: haha, i'll take any help i can get :)
18:48:17ccittmarkun: i dunno mn just trying to be (somewhat) useful
18:48:24ccitt;)
18:48:25markunccitt: it's ok :)
18:48:30midkay_ccitt: thanks, i appreciate it.. trying to figure this out is all :)
18:48:39ccittfair nuff
18:48:44midkay_no reason it shouldn't be working... but i can't manage to get it to power on. :\
18:48:59ccittlinuxstb: do you know if there has been any work on getting native usb support on ipood targets?
18:49:18markunccitt: someone will do some work on it this summer
18:49:27markunduring Google's summer of Code
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18:49:53ccittok - if not i was going to try and take a stab at it - i dislike seeing the ipod firmware load ;)
18:49:54markunat least adding a USB stack, don't know how far he will get
18:50:16ccittso there is no usb stack at all for any target currently?
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18:50:25markunccitt: correct
18:50:29ccittokay
18:50:41ccitthmmm
18:51:24markunmany have a chip which does all the work
18:51:42ccittright
18:52:26markunccitt: http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/about.html
18:52:26ccitti would think putting (at least on ipods)that secondary core to use for this would be great - we could offload usb transactions (synchronously) to the other processor whilst the main cpu does its normal thing
18:52:42ccittso you could actually use usb AND listen to music at the same time
18:53:08midkay_if i was plugged into USB at my computer i'd probably be listening to music off the computer anyways..
18:53:22midkay_being tethered up to a seperate device sounds a little annoying.
18:54:03markunmidkay_: I'm sitting here at work behind my computer and still use my Gigabeat
18:54:05ccittnot at all
18:54:32linuxstbNico_P: I think I've fixed the vorbis and m4a problems - new patch in the same place: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_codec.diff
18:54:34ccitti for one, dont have the extra space on my laptop for my tunes - so i keep them on my pod - my laptop has too many VMs and other work-type stuff
18:54:52midkay_at work sounds fine.. but i only plug my ipod in at home. and my entire library's on my computer anyways.. i'd far prefer to listen on there. much easier/quicker to navigate and build playlists and stuff.
18:54:53linuxstbNico_P: I had just not implemented some of the codec API...
18:55:00midkay_that makes sense.
18:55:38testdasibtw, I submitted the more calibrated voltage on #6860
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18:57:58midkay_back in a bit..
18:58:08Nico_Plinuxstb: I'll test
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18:58:46linuxstbNico_P: MP3 still doesn't work, but I know why (the main stack is too small). Hopefully all other codecs will work now though.
18:59:17Nico_Pok
18:59:42amiconnccitt: On devices where USB has to be done in software, we could theoretically allow USB and normal use in parallel. There is no need for a second core in order to do this
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19:01:13amiconnWhether we actually want to do this is another question - there are so many problems related to the fact that filesystems usually assume that they have exclusive access to the medium
19:02:05amiconnOf course rockbox would know that this assumption is wrong, but the filesystem on the PC side would not.
19:02:54preglowyeah, let's not have to worry about fs locking and the like
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19:03:06amiconnThis creates serious problems even if we limit rockbox' access to read-only
19:03:19preglowkiss, etc
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19:03:58amiconnThe PC file system might hold back some write data, leaving the actual medium in an inconsistent state until unmount
19:04:23amiconn(more of a problem with linux than with windows)
19:06:30linuxstbIf Rockbox can decode a 2-minute track in 1 minute, would you call that 50% realtime or 200% realtime?
19:06:48amiconn200%
19:07:17amiconnOr rather, decoding *speed* is 200% realtime, decoding *time* is 50% realtime
19:07:55linuxstbOK, I'll go with 200%...
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19:08:30Nico_Plinuxstb: there's no way to abort decoding ?
19:08:40Rincewind_testdasi: if you are into patching, you can try my runtime scaling patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7092
19:08:50linuxstbNico_P: No. But there will be once I move it to its own thread.
19:10:12Nico_Pok
19:10:26Nico_Pit's decoding a long M41 file atm
19:10:31Nico_PM4A*
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19:16:44Nico_Plinuxstb: I guess a progressbar would be quite easy to add ?
19:17:25Nico_Pand useful info about the file
19:17:50Nico_P(codec, bitrate, duration, filesize...)
19:18:32testdasiRincewind_: thanks :D
19:19:09Nico_Pthe decoding ended and I couldn't see the results because my pressing the quit button had been recorded
19:19:19Rincewind_if you try it out, please give me some feedback
19:19:38linuxstbNico_P: I guess those could be added (not sure about the need for a progress bar though...). Anyway, I think I've had enough of it for today, so I'll commit it.
19:19:57linuxstbIt will be like the other test plugins - not built by default.
19:20:34Nico_Pok
19:21:03Nico_Pis there a wiki page about these test plugins ?
19:21:55Nico_PI just tried an MPC file (340 secs)... 49 sec decoding (14,63 %)
19:24:04linuxstbNico_P: I don't think so.
19:24:16linuxstbOK, committed.
19:24:24preglowNico_P: what target?
19:24:31Nico_Ppreglow: gigabeat
19:24:35preglowright :/
19:24:38preglow700% realtime isn't bad
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19:24:52preglowi would have expected more on gigabeat, really
19:25:12Nico_Pthe MPC codec needs optimising ? :)
19:25:26preglowheh
19:25:37preglowmpc is pretty much the only codec that works on pp5002, i think
19:25:48*linuxstb mumbles something about FLAC
19:26:07preglowoh, i remember how i swore i'd never touch musepack again, before it was that fast...
19:26:26Nico_Plinuxstb: the progressbar could be nice because it's not very easy to get a sense of the progress with big numbers
19:26:40linuxstbFLAC is 1739% realtime on the gigabeat...
19:26:44preglowahahaha
19:27:12Nico_Ppreglow: I have an M4A file deconding atm
19:27:24preglowm4a decoder is shit slow
19:27:50david1where can i see how much % realtime it is?
19:27:54Nico_Pwe're waiting for a better one, aren't we ?
19:29:23LearHoping for, I'd say... :)
19:29:24Nico_Pdavid1: with the new codec test plugin
19:29:39Nico_PLear: it's supposed to come from FFMpeg ?
19:29:56LearIf they ever finish it...
19:29:59joshinIs there a way to play files at >1x speed? Would be nice for podcasts and some books on 'tape'?
19:30:19david1ok, thx
19:30:56Nico_POK, my M4A file decoded at 22.76% realtime (426 / 1875 secs)
19:31:44linuxstbNico_P: You should update your plugin - I've reversed the percentage calculation now.
19:31:52Nico_Pdoing that now
19:32:44linuxstbMore tests on the gigabeat, my 128kbps AAC test file decodes at 467.66% realtime. My -q7 vorbis file is 502.94%
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19:33:13Nico_Pnot too bad for the AAC decoder, is it ?
19:33:40preglow22.76% realtime? it didn't even decode realtime?
19:33:42linuxstbIt's much better than it used to be.
19:34:14linuxstbpreglow: He's using an old version of my plugin with the percentage calculated the opposite way
19:34:16Nico_Ppreglow: it's inverted
19:34:26preglowoh...
19:34:37preglowsomeone make a benchmarking framework, please :>
19:34:41Learnico_p: given that it is not really optimized, yes.
19:34:45*preglow out
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19:34:55linuxstbpreglow: What do you mean by benchmarking framework?
19:35:23preglowlinuxstb: way to test speed of codec plugs
19:35:33*preglow really out
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19:40:57Nico_P685.34% for an MPC file :)
19:43:51Nico_Pwould there be an easy way to measure how much CPU time is spent in the WPS rendering ?
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19:58:33linuxstbjoshin: Yes, Rockbox has a pitch control which allows you to change the pitch (and hence the speed) of playback.
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20:14:21juxtapbe nice to change speed without altering pitch
20:14:26juxtapfor jazz musicians
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20:22:21*amiconn thinks that these performance tests are more usefull on the non-overpowered targets
20:22:34amiconnlinuxstb: Does it handle libmad now?
20:22:38The-CompilerHi
20:22:54amiconnAh, no, the commit msg says it...
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20:27:53preglowlinuxstb: why, that's exactly what i want :P
20:28:03preglowi didn't notice it
20:28:27preglowthat's great
20:28:28preglowabsolutely great
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20:39:54Lloreanlinuxstb: Do you have any SBR AAC files by chance?
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20:42:22Nico_PLlorean: I think I have some
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20:43:47LloreanNico_P: I was just curious how they compare with the test_codec plugin, since someone was talking about them skipping on their player.
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20:45:35Learnico_p: You sent a link of one to me one, didn't you?
20:45:36joshincool, thanks linuxstb. I'll check that out today.
20:45:45Nico_PLear: yes
20:46:07LearThen you do have some. :)
20:46:24Nico_Pok :)
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20:47:17Nico_Pthey work fine now btw
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20:50:01preglowif sbr files currently decode realtime at all, i'll be very, very surprised
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20:50:47Lloreanpreglow: I'm pretty sure they don't, but I was curious in regards to the Gigabeat.
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20:51:09LloreanAs I said, someone mentioned them skipping, once the pitch problem was fixed.
20:51:13preglowamiconn: the second i have time for it, heh
20:52:02preglowlinuxstb: would be kinda cool with an option to benchmark the dsp system too :)
20:53:42Nico_Ppreglow: i'm pretty sure they're realtime on the gigabeat
20:55:57preglowwell
20:56:17preglownot much of a point talking about what's realtime on gigabeat, now is it? :)
20:56:39*preglow remembers when mp3 decoded at below 10% realtime on coldfire
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21:41:08saratoga3does ffmpeg have a dicussion forum or is it all their mailing list?
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21:46:21Nico_Perr... am I the only one having menu weirdness
21:46:23Nico_P?
21:46:35*petur receives a strange personal message on the forum
21:47:16peturanybody receive a PM from a company called 'Mach Speed Technologies'?
21:48:17*ender` yawns
21:48:40peturender` should show us his quit message :p
21:49:06bluebrotherhmm. Isn't the text viewer supposed to save the last position of the last couple of files?
21:50:32ender`petur: only when i quit :)
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21:54:21pixelmaNico_P: what weirdnesses and what build are you running - JdGordon was working on them today. His first "fix" (for non-scrolling menu items) was messing it up even more (as he said) but then he committed a second fix.
21:55:10Nico_Ppixelma: I have the latest (with kkurbjun's buttonlight tweaks)
21:55:27Nico_Pmenus don't get redrawn immediatly
21:55:42Nico_Pthey only do after several keypresses
21:56:30LloreanNico_P: Someone reported that on the forums earlier, too.
21:56:46LloreanMaybe just a missing lcd update?
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22:01:17pixelmahmm... I have something like that too (with the build before on M5). When I enter a settings menu for example, and chose another setting or cancel (what should drop me back to the menu level above) it will still show the settings (and if cancelled the splash stays) until I press another button
22:03:36pixelma(or the same again)
22:04:00NeoZidaneerm ahem, query here
22:04:09*NeoZidane sticks up quaestion mark on forehead
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22:04:54LloreanNeoZidane: Generally you should just ask a question, rather than asking to ask. :-P
22:04:59*pixelma recommends to just ask
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22:05:07linuxstb_saratoga: I noticed in the logs a week or so ago you asked about ARM inline assembler - did you find this page? http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html (I found it a very helpful introduction)
22:05:20NeoZidaneipod, formatted for Mac, is it using FAT?
22:05:47AceNik___hey guys if i want to sugest rockbox to be associated with another project would it be possible , & whom do i contact in that case
22:05:47LloreanNo, formatted for Mac is HFS+
22:05:58NeoZidaneand i format it for Fat how?
22:06:02LloreanAceNik___: I'm not even sure what you mean by that
22:06:19Dark_ApostropheNeoZidane is installing Debian and wants to use his iPod for backup
22:06:28LloreanNeoZidane: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
22:06:31NeoZidaneaha
22:06:33AceNik___well though if rockbox could be integrated with phones?
22:06:38NeoZidanemerci beaucoup
22:06:56badsheepyi think itd eat the batteries beyond belief?
22:06:59AceNik___& also thought bout a open source phone already being in developement
22:06:59LloreanAceNik___: Rockbox is an MP3 player firmware, it's totally unsuited for being a firmware for phones.
22:07:15Lloreanbadsheepy: Why would you assume that?
22:07:23Dark_ApostropheIf you want phone firmware, check out trolltech's qtopiea
22:07:26Dark_Apostropheqtopia*
22:07:29preglowsaratoga3: afaik, only mailing list
22:07:39Dark_ApostropheIt's based on the Linux kernel
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22:07:50badsheepycause of the time the battery lasts on my ipod
22:07:51preglowsaratoga3: they do have a channel on freenode, thougfh
22:07:57preglowsaratoga3: #ffmpeg
22:08:01Lloreanbadsheepy: Yes, but that's only because PortalPlayer is stupid.
22:08:02AceNik___ya but cant a part of it be used to port it to a phone , like the iphone for instabce , has the ipod n phone , so i found a phone that is capable of the same , in opne source , n needs support
22:08:18linuxstb_preglow: Yes, dsp should straightforward to add to test_codec. I also want to add an option to write to a WAV file so we can test for accuracy.
22:08:27badsheepywell why isnt relavent is it, more that it does :)
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22:08:30Lloreanbadsheepy: Rockbox on other devices gets better battery life than the original firmware, so you shouldn't make assumptions based upon our most poorly supported hardware.
22:08:37badsheepywell i would imagine so
22:08:48badsheepybut then, a phone is more unsupported than an ipod
22:09:05Nico_Ppixelma: I get what you described a bit earlier
22:09:08LloreanAn "Open source" phone, as was discussed, should have hardware docs
22:09:26LloreanLook at the Gigabeat. Newer support than iPod support, but we're already getting comparable/better battery time.
22:09:40badsheepyeven proper mp3 playing phones dont last long enough to make them worthwhile imo
22:10:17LloreanYeah, I'm not a fan of making phones do anything beyond phonecalls, and maybe address book / PDA / internet functions if they're a "smartphone"
22:10:36AceNik___Llorean: check pvt
22:10:39LloreanBut Rockbox isn't really suited for phones anyway, it's mostly centered around the audio playback function.
22:10:52LloreanAceNik___: I haven't received one, I'm assuming because your nick isn't registered.
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22:12:03bluebrotherhmm. Why has this Qt Greenphone a camera? :/
22:12:03AceNik___Llorean: now ?
22:12:09LloreanAceNik___: No.
22:12:37AceNik___Llorean: how do u create a different channel then , iremember someone doin that
22:13:12LloreanAceNik___: I'm not joining a different channel, I have no interest in discussing non-Rockbox talk right now, and if it's Rockbox related, I don't see why you can't say it publicly.
22:13:43AceNik___#rockbox-Ace join this im not declaring company names till now publicly
22:13:48preglowlinuxstb_: would be exceedingly cool
22:14:16AceNik___& yes it is very much rockbox related , jus extending support
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22:15:19LloreanAceNik___: If you want Rockbox on a new device, go ahead and work on it. Device owners are the ones who do ports.
22:15:29markunpetur: yes, I got the mail too
22:15:48Lloreanpetur: Was the message spam, and if so, is there a forum username I need to look at?
22:15:54petursounds quite real
22:16:07peturuser "Mach Speed"
22:16:25peturdevice = http://www.machspeed.com/specs/mp3/tv5.htm
22:16:47AceNik___ Llorean: ppl so stubborn , leave it , ul not worth it
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22:17:24LloreanAceNik___: Seriously, I'm not interested in anything you can't say publicly, because honestly, if you can't say it in the open, you probably shouldn't be saying it behind closed doors.
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22:18:10peturmarkun: I forwarded mine to Bagder
22:18:33peturseems too much video oriented
22:18:37markunpetur: he probably got it too, I think they were forwarded by Jeff, no?
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22:21:12markunLlorean: was he talking about the phone for OpenMoko?
22:22:04Lloreanmarkun: I dunno, he wasn't willing to state openly what he was talking about.
22:22:23markunweird
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22:24:15markunLlorean: this might be the phone he's talking about: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973
22:24:48markunI listened to an interview with a german guy working on the project
22:25:04markunthey chose the components to have docs freely available
22:25:25markunfor the 'PDA' part of the phone that is
22:25:47iobound_hi guys, i noticed the "rockbox.iriver" binary from the H300 cvs builds is now inside the ".rockbox" directory, does the v5 boot loader work with that, or do I need to flash a CVS bootloader? Or do I have to move the file to the root drive?
22:26:07iobound_I haven't upgraded since an late 2006 build
22:26:10Lloreaniobound_: I believe you need the v6 bootloader, but not SVN bootloader
22:26:19pixelmakkurbjun: seen the red in "gigabeat boot"?
22:26:24bluebrotherh100 needs v6 bootloader. Not sure about h300.
22:26:38peturLlorean: v5 is the latest released bootloader for h300
22:26:54markunLlorean: similar CPU as the Gigabeat: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware
22:27:32iobound_Llorean, is there a v6 bootloader for h300, i could only find a v5 on the wiki
22:27:43iobound_yeah as the others said
22:27:58iobound_ok, so that old v5 bootloader will find rockbox.iriver in the .rockbox folder?
22:28:04peturyes
22:28:11markunkkurbjun: and maybe it's a good idea to commit in smaller steps?
22:28:21iobound_alright, thanks a lot, i'm going to try upgradring
22:28:27Lloreanpetur: Oh, I missed the "h300" bit, I read "h100" for some reason
22:28:44LloreanI thought H300 wasn't up to v5 yet, and so read what I expected to see. =/
22:29:03iobound_do i have to reboot to get into usb mode or does the main rockbox "OS" have an usb mode too?
22:29:13iobound_nevermind, it worked!
22:29:14peturjust plug the cable
22:29:33iobound_i'll stop asking dumb questions and start doing stuff now :)
22:29:39bluebrotherusb works fine on all targets that have usb in hardware
22:29:51bluebrotheri.e. all (?) non-pp targets
22:30:21preglowmerbanan: still no pong from the wma dude? :/
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22:30:34merbanannope
22:30:55preglowhrmf
22:31:02preglowwould be seriously uncool having to duplicate his efforts
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22:31:20preglowseems like a guy who knows what he's doing too
22:31:41markunpreglow: marsdaddy?
22:32:02preglowmarkun: no, someone who said he'd optimise wma for arm on the ffmpeg list
22:32:07markunah yes
22:32:35iobound_did anyone do any more work on the dumb plugin? i submitted a patch that could do 100% perfect disk writes but not in realtime
22:32:44preglownot that i know of
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22:34:17digerati1338Is there any good reason why the sansa isn't part of the table on the PluginIndex page?
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22:34:24merbananpreglow: some optimizations are already commited to ffmpeg svn
22:35:19bluebrotherdigerati1338, I think it's only because nobody has added it yet
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22:41:18markunhi mrk, still having fun with rockbox?
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22:42:36preglowmerbanan: yeah, but none fixed point related, no?
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22:43:53mrkmarkun: enough fun :P
22:44:03markungood
22:44:03mrkgoing to try and *maybe* get album art working today
22:44:15markunwho needs album art..
22:44:15mrkand if that's doable, I want to get mpegviewer on
22:44:27mrkI like mine :P. most albums I listen to have nice art.
22:44:29markunwell, mpegplayer is already installed
22:44:49mrkhm?
22:44:54mrkI thought you had to download it...
22:44:56markunmrk: try one of the last 2 movies: http://mikachu.rockbox.org/
22:45:01markunno, you don't
22:45:14mrkit's not under plugins on my player....
22:45:19linuxstb_mrk: Out of curiousity, why did you think you had to download it?
22:45:39bluebrothernot under plugins in the wiki? manual?
22:45:56mrkon the player itself
22:45:57markunmrk: no, because it's a viewer, you start it by clicking on a mpeg file
22:46:01mrkoh.
22:46:08markunjust like the gameboy emo
22:46:09markunemu
22:46:20mrkI see, thanks <_<. I feel more stupid than I usually do here <_<
22:46:37mrksomething else... I *love* that the remote works perfectly
22:46:38bluebrotherlike the text viewer ;-)
22:46:43mrkand can even be used to turn it on
22:46:53linuxstb_mrk: It's very common for people to assume all plugins are available under Browse Plugins... :)
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22:47:20mrkHm. so any suggestions for a video encoder? I'll be transcoding from avi...
22:47:39mrkI have a converter, just not sure if there's a better one out there.
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22:47:50markunmrk: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
22:49:07merbananpreglow: no, but it would speed up the decoding anyway
22:49:47markunabout the Gigabeat remote: the volume buttons are now mapped to UP and DOWN
22:49:47mrkmarkun: I see, about the downloading, or lack thereof. I'd read that page before, but must have skipped that somehow.
22:50:06markunwe could map them to VOL_UP and VOL_DOWN
22:50:21mrkmarkun: I'm not sure what you mean? The difference between the two, I'm referring to...
22:51:08markunmrk: you're referring to... what?
22:51:34mrkthe difference between up/down and vol_up/vol_down
22:51:41mrkI mean, I understand it on the player, but not on the remote
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22:52:36jhMikeSis the gigabeat supposed to have a button light on the cross?
22:52:42mrknope
22:52:47markunmrk: on the player the up and down buttons only change the volume in the WPS
22:52:52jhMikeSoh, so nothing's broken :)
22:53:15mrkjust on the sides. to be honest, I would be annoyed if the front glowed to. and the side buttons don't glow in rockbox. dunno if it's be possible for that to be an option, maybe?
22:53:18markunmrk: so the remote buttons for vol+ and - also only work in the wps to change the volume
22:53:25mrkoh, I see.
22:53:27Lloreanmarkun: Does that mean you won't be able to navigate with the remote anymore? If so, I don't like it.
22:53:36jhMikeSthe new patch slows the backlight fade a lot, and the timeout menu doesn't exit right
22:53:37LloreanAs in, navigate the filetree/browser
22:53:39Domonokyhas anyone else of the devs also got a message from "Mach Speed technologies" in the Forum ?
22:53:40markunLlorean: ok, that's what I wanted to know
22:53:43jhMikeSs/patch/commit/
22:53:57markunLlorean: for me it doesn't matter
22:54:03linuxstb_jhMikeS: Do you know if anything bad will happen if I steal the codec thread's stack whilst the codec thread is waiting for a message on its queue?
22:54:08mrkthat's not too much of a problem for me... if I'm using the remote, the players locked on the wps in my pocket
22:54:10Lloreanmarkun: For me it does, though only a moderate amount.
22:54:16markunDomonoky: yes, me and petur
22:54:21markunamiconn as well I think
22:54:31*jhMikeS 's gigabeat has locked
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22:54:50Domonokyokey, so someone with more knowlege than me can answer them.. :-)
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22:54:57markunjhMikeS: and kkurbjun is very silent
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22:55:38jhMikeSlinuxstb_: codec has no queue
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22:55:52jhMikeSoh wait, duh
22:56:04mrkthe battery on the gigabeat kicks ass :P
22:56:38jhMikeSlinuxstb_: nothing should come of it as long as the thread doesn't get scheduled again
22:56:49markunmrk: I don't think you can easily mod your Gigabeat to have a glowing front
22:57:10linuxstb_jhMikeS: That's what I'm asking - it will only get woken up when a message is sent to its queue?
22:57:20mrkoh, sorry for being unclear. I meant to make it an option in rockbox to have the *side* button lights be on or off
22:57:35jhMikeSlinuxstb_: it's an inifinite wait? then no.
22:57:43jhMikeSit's on the the block_list
22:59:21*jhMikeS thinks he knows what going on with the gigabeat goofiness...his patch with system queues is applied :\
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23:00:00markunmrk: that should work with the latest build, but I believe there are some problems
23:00:18mrkdoes anybody else's gigabeat not realize that it's connected to the computer when it's in its dock?
23:00:39mrkmarkun: oh? would I have to enable the option, or would it be visible by default?
23:00:42markunmrk: did you try the usb/line-out switch on the cradle?
23:01:04mrkwtf. I never put it to line-out :(.
23:01:08mrkthat did fix it, though :P
23:01:34markunI think you need to enable it, but it was committed just a few hours ago
23:02:02mrkah, that's pretty cool. it's nice to see how fast rockbox changes.
23:02:13LloreanDo the "new" button light options have the same choices as the debug menu?
23:02:49markunLlorean: no, I think he removed the HDD blinking for now
23:02:55LloreanThe "options" seemed somewhat arbitrary. You could have half or all of them on, but you didn't have the option to make half of them dim, or dim flashing for the HDD, or so on.
23:03:18jhMikeShmmm...maybe not, no new queue_post calls were added :\
23:03:36markunLlorean: it should be split in multiple settings imo
23:03:43LloreanIt seemed to me there should've been a "Buttons on Backlight" and a "Buttons on HDD" option
23:04:00LloreanEach with "Dim, Bright, Power/Menu bright, Power/Menu Dim" kinda thing
23:04:06markunyes, that was the idea gotthardt was working on
23:04:12LloreanOkay, good
23:04:21markunbut then he became too busy with work
23:04:34LloreanNo worries, just making sure someone else agrees that it should at least be split. :)
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23:07:07webguest26hi i know this may be a question that has nothing to do with rockbox. But I would really aprreciate it (cant spell that word) if somebody told me where i can download the ipod updator and not itunes please and thank you!!!! : )
23:07:35markunwebguest26: google doesn't find anything?
23:07:48webguest26nope and all the links take me to itunes
23:08:13bluebrotherthere is a link at the IpodManualConvertionToFat32 page (or what was the page name?)
23:08:33Lloreanhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
23:08:49linuxstb_webguest26: The ipodwizard forums are probably a good place to look
23:08:56webguest26thank you
23:09:00webguest26: )
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23:09:27kurbjunkmarkun, I will fix the red once I am done work
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23:09:35bluebrotherah no, was that page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore
23:09:43kurbjunkwhat were the features you wanted in the buttonlight driver?
23:10:04bluebrotherhmm, seems I was too slow. The conversion page doesn't have the link :o
23:10:20markunkurbjunk: mayba hdd flashing is nice
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23:11:28markunkurbjunk: do you agree that it's nicer to commit each patch seperately?
23:11:38kurbjunkI was thinking about that, and it's something that could be done, but I think that there would have to be a mode setting that would effect the timeout setting though
23:12:06kurbjunkyou would split the button init, power, and button lights up then?
23:12:24kurbjunkI guess it would be nicer in case a revert had to be done
23:12:44markunyes, and to see which of the commits cause a build failure
23:13:03kurbjunkis there an easy way to split up commits though, I guess I can write out teh specific files I want to comit rather then doing a tree commit
23:13:05bluebrotherbtw, red build for gigabeat bootloader ...
23:13:15kurbjunkthe button lights caused the build failure
23:13:34kurbjunkbluebrother, yes, I saw, I will fix it in a couple of hours
23:13:36markunkurbjunk: if it's in separate files you can do that yes
23:13:41bluebrotherkurbjunk, I usually only commit file based. It's more control IMO
23:13:55kurbjunkyes, I agree, but I'm also lazy
23:13:59kurbjunk:-D
23:14:11bluebrotheralways this lazy people in here ;-)
23:14:18markunkurbjunk: just supply a patch then and we will do the committing for you :)
23:15:22mrkahhhhh! It's playing in fast motion, and I don't know how to stop it <_<
23:15:42markunmrk: press 'A'
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23:15:45markunor menu
23:15:53mrkneither are doing anything <_<
23:15:57markunhm..
23:16:08markunthen I don't know
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23:16:37Snic42Anyone have a moment to help me with a bizzarre issue? Just wanna see if anyone has any ideas on this.
23:16:49kurbjunkmarkun, I don't know about adding the extra modes, the framework is there for them, the button/backlight driver is much more generic now, and the modes available should allow you to add in any mode that was in before, it's just alot of work to do it in a clean manner.. I think the flashing HD mode could also be added for the sansa if someone was interested in working on a generic method
23:16:50mrkagh. I pressed power once, and it seems to have frozen...
23:17:16kurbjunkrather reproduce any of the old modes
23:17:42mrkdammit. I plugged it into the computer... and the light turned off, but it's still frozen
23:18:23mrkdo I have to reset the battery?
23:18:32markunprobably
23:18:33mrkbecause it's not responding to any button presses whatsoever
23:18:40mrkwill I lose anything if I do that?
23:18:48markunprobably not
23:18:50markun:)
23:18:54jhMikeSthe fading is not smooth now, the menu is still not exiting right :\
23:18:58mrkhuzzah! let's try it.
23:19:02peturmarkun, Domonoky: did any of you reply to the mach speed PM?
23:19:07markunnot me
23:19:22kurbjunkI was interested in getting the button modes that we already support in the sansa (on, off, and different timeout settings) (effectively, on, off, and a more flexible follow)
23:19:47*petur writes mail...
23:19:57Snic42Here's what's going on. I have Rockbox on my iPod, it's worked like a dream and done everything I've expected. Up until today I've been able to plug the unit into my Xbox360's USB ports and have it see the music and play through the Xbox with no problems. Today for apparently no reason it's not seeing it as an external device any longer, but is seeing it as an iPod and cannot see any of the music.
23:20:14kurbjunkJhMikeS: on the gigabeat?
23:20:21jhMikeSkurbjunk: yes
23:20:23preglowpetur: delirium tremens was nice
23:20:25Snic42Now, I've poured through the docs for some way of changing USB mode, but found nothing, so I assume it's just always in HDD mode when plugged through USB.
23:20:49HellDragonlol
23:21:41markunpreglow: getting beer by mail now?
23:22:10Snic42Oh and the really bizzarre thing is if I go to pictures, it shows the file tree. But, under Music it doesn't show the tree, just Artist, Playlists, etc... Anyone else run accross this issue before?
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23:22:19preglowmarkun: nope
23:22:49kurbjunkjhMikeS: the fading is slower because of the changes to the way that updating is done. I had talked with godhart about it and he felt that the changes were worth making as it allowed for more flexibility in th buttonlight driver. Now there is a dedicated state machine that handles the updates to the sc606
23:22:51preglowjust thought i'd mention it since he said the brewery wasn't too far off where he lived
23:23:03kurbjunkwe could speed it up by increasing the step size
23:23:03linuxstb_Snic42: I've no idea how the xbox360 works, but have you upgraded it's software recently?
23:23:06preglowthen again, i guess most places in belgium would have at least ten close by :/
23:23:32HellDragona maze
23:23:34peturpreglow: white building with a big pink elephant, you can't miss it :)
23:23:52markunkurbjunk: doesn't sound like a nice sollution
23:23:53preglowhahahaha
23:24:14kurbjunkmarkun, which solution would you propose?
23:24:15linuxstb_Snic42: Also, there are two disk modes on the ipod - the "emergency" disk mode (in flash ROM) that Rockbox reboots into, and the disk mode that's part of the main Apple firmware. Do you get the same behaviour in both?
23:24:26Snic42linuxstb: Nope, only thing I did was install the hacked media connect on my Gentoo Box so I can stream media from Linux over the network. Though this shouldn't affect the actual OS on the 360.
23:24:37markunkurbjunk: I would have to look at the code more closely
23:24:49kurbjunkthe old one caused problems with teh buttonlights due to the problems figuring out when each register should be written to
23:24:52peturpreglow: http://www.delirium.be/photo/localisation/facade%20bonne.bmp
23:24:55Snic42linuxstb: Yeah, I've done the normal disk mode and the hold play and select disk mode, both behave the same.
23:24:56kurbjunkand when
23:25:42kurbjunkYou could probably speed up the back light fading, but you wouldn't be able to fade the buttonlights at the same time
23:25:57kurbjunkor you could increase the step size
23:26:04jhMikeSkurbjunk: I don't have my backlight on full brightness but it's fading as though it is and seems to be wrapping around at the end
23:26:07kurbjunkbut that will make it more choppy
23:26:36H10_007quickDoes the wiki only make a revision if you check it when you edit it?
23:26:42jhMikeSwhy should it?
23:26:47linuxstb_Snic42: Then I've no idea. I would have expected the xbox to always see the ipod as an ipod, and not as an external disk, so I'm surprised it worked in the past.
23:26:48kurbjunkjhMikeS, what setting are you using?
23:26:51markunkurbjunk: I don't see how fast and smooth fading will be impossible
23:27:15H10_007quickthe little box I mean
23:27:24jhMikeSbtw, how are buttons read on the gigabeat? adc through i2c?
23:27:35markunjhMikeS: dedicated gpio pins
23:27:40kurbjunkif you want to fade buttonlights and backlight independently it will be impossible without multiple writes to sc606 on each tick
23:27:40bluebrothernot making a revision of the page doesn't make sense
23:27:42jhMikeS32
23:27:52Snic42linuxstb: That's what I was afraid of, that it was a fluke that it worked in the first place.
23:27:54Lloreanmarkun: Maybe just disable smooth fading if they set their fade time below the minimum for smooth fading?
23:27:56bluebrotherI bet this only affects the "last changes" box at the start page
23:28:02LloreanAssuming we ever get the option to set a fade time. ;)
23:28:16kurbjunkthe backlight and buttonlight registers on the sc606 each require a write
23:28:45kurbjunkjhMikeS, I will look into it, I havn't seen it wrap around, but I can try and replicate it
23:28:53jhMikeSI had a loss of buttons...with my patch applied, however that is odd since no new queue_post calls were used from an IRQ (that I could find) and it worked fine prior
23:29:15jhMikeSkurbjunk: right at the end of the fade, the brightness will blip up
23:29:21H10_007quickbluebrother: so every time I edit something and hit save it stores an original (revision)?
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23:29:46kurbjunkjhMikeS, ok, I will check that out and see if I can fix that
23:29:50jhMikeSI checked all this on clean SVN btw
23:30:01bluebrotherit doesn't make sense storing a new revision of a page without creating a new revision −− it's what revision control is about, isn't it?
23:30:20bluebrotherbut the twiki website may clarify this completely.
23:30:26mrkEeeeeee! Watching the office on the gigabeat. this is exciting <_<
23:30:34kurbjunkdid any of you notice that everytime the gigabeat shutdown on before the patch it would spinup and write to the disk and then shutdown
23:30:34mrkany work being done on the seeking?
23:30:43H10_007quickok
23:30:44kurbjunknow it doesn't do that unless there were changes to the menu settings
23:30:48H10_007quickjust wondergin
23:30:52kurbjunkat least for me
23:31:00kurbjunkdon't know if I was the only one getting that though
23:31:14jhMikeSkurbjunk: now that you mention it...I think it did ...hmmm
23:32:55kurbjunkyeah, for whatever reason my patch fixed that.. I don't know the cause of the problem though
23:33:22H10_007quickWhy don't we have a wiki page for noobs? a collection of everywere they could go before they ask questions on the forums?
23:33:36bluebrotherwe have FAQ pages.
23:33:41H10_007quickyes
23:33:53H10_007quickbut they are not well know about
23:34:06scorcheH10_007quick: we already tell you where to go before asking questions..
23:34:07jhMikeSsomething in the changes to the ata?
23:34:16H10_007quickPeople don't go there to look for help
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23:34:28bluebrotherand if we add a new page, why would this change anything?
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23:34:47H10_007quickIf we had a wiki page labled: The page for Noobs!
23:34:47bluebrotherwe have the FAQ pages, if people don't read it they also won't read any other page
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23:35:05H10_007quickI guess it could just be more inviting
23:35:06Bagderwe had "for noobs" pages once
23:35:11bluebrotherNoobs could also use the "manual" link in the left pane
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23:35:18Bagderthey just went out of date because nobody cared to update them
23:35:21bluebrother... which is quite exposed
23:35:22kurbjunkmarkun, you could do a fast fade with the buttonlights and backlight fading, but you would have to change the step size and that would increase the granularity, if you don't care about fading the buttonlights, then you could do a fast backlight fadeout by writing to more specific registers
23:35:43kurbjunkor you could increase the speed if you are fading the backlight and buttonlighs independently
23:36:06kurbjunkbut if they are fading at the same time that would slow it down again
23:36:37H10_007quickyes but I was just thinking because I was new at this just recently. If there had been a page with links to all the pertinent wiki pages I may have learned faster
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23:36:51*jhMikeS thinks "faster i2c driver"
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23:36:55bluebrotherisn't DocumentationIndex enough?
23:37:16H10_007quickThe FAQ's answer some questions but they don't answer all of them
23:37:17kurbjunkor you could just say forget it, I'm going to write to the sc606 multiple times in a tick, and burn a bunch of cpu time in fading/backlight operations per tick
23:37:28bluebrotheralso, users should start with the manual anyway
23:37:31scorcheH10_007quick: and what they dont answer, the manual does
23:37:47H10_007quickthe Doc index is good but again new people won't go there
23:37:54bluebrotherif you want to develop you need to read quite further anyway
23:38:09scorcheand they would is we said "DocIndexForNoobs"
23:38:10H10_007quickI'm just saying that the wiki is a very scary place for new people
23:38:13scorcheif?
23:38:14bluebrotherso ... why don't do they go to the manual?
23:38:25Snic42Alright, well I'm gonna poke around a bit more and see if I can find anything else on this. Thanks linuxstb for the input
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23:38:33bluebrotherthe wiki might be scary. The manual isn't in the wiki anymore, so ...
23:38:42jhMikeSummm...we're writing i2c from an interrupt?
23:38:47H10_007quicktrue
23:38:54scorchei just dont understand how appending a "for noobs" to wiki pages would make people read them
23:39:02bluebrotherI really don't think having (and maintaining) a noob-wiki-page would make any difference
23:39:08bluebrotherexcept for the work of course ;-)
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23:39:24H10_007quickbut my point is that all the information for noobs is out there on the wiki why not just a page of links
23:39:26H10_007quick?
23:39:50bluebrotherstill, we have a manual
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23:39:59bluebrotherwhich is the official documentation anyway.
23:40:02LloreanH10_007quick: Which information are you talking about, other than the stuff in the manual?
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23:40:08iobound_wow, rockbox has come a LONG way in half a year
23:40:13LloreanH10_007quick: Noobs should not be reading the wiki until after they've read the manual
23:40:33SnicHuh, found it quicker than I thought. If anyone's interested, delete the ipod_control folder from your iPod and it works just fine
23:41:26LloreanI thought about that, but I assumed that by "for apparently no reason" you hadn't done anything different from normal.
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23:41:52*ender` never read the rockbox manual
23:41:59iobound_it's just so awesome! thanks to everyone involved!
23:42:38SnicThat's the thing, I didn't do anything. It may have created itself when I plugged the ipod into my GF's machine, she has itunes on her system, but we didn't use itunes for anything
23:42:47*bluebrother wrote parts of the manual instead of reading it ;-)
23:43:01kurbjunkjhMikeS, the sc606 does not connect to the i2c interface
23:43:08LloreanSnic: It'll create itself if you boot into the original firmware, and I suspect the ipod process might create it too.
23:43:13kurbjunkit has to be bit banged
23:43:29kurbjunkand you can only run it up to 400 kHz
23:43:40LloreanSnic: Any time something suddenly stops working, you should always look for anything "new" you've done. Plugging it into a machine with iTunes might've been a good tip for what went wrong. ;-P
23:43:49SnicWell, lesson learned. Thanks again for the help, that was really starting to bug me.
23:43:55kurbjunkthe i2c driver that hooks up to the codec chip could be improved though
23:43:55jhMikeSthe generic driver tends to be clunky
23:44:09iobound_is the 3.0 release far away?
23:44:19SnicLlorean: Yeah, I forgot I did that. I work lead tech at a tech support center and know how important it is to have EVERY bit of info
23:44:20jhMikeSyou wouldn't believe the improvements on x5 after using an optimized one
23:44:37scorcheiobound_: it isnt really a goal anymore
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23:44:45kurbjunkjhMikeS, the other problems with the sc606 is that it doesn't follow the full i2c specification
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23:45:10Lloreanscorche: I think it should be though
23:45:11iobound_scorche, okay, but the difference between the late 2006 builds and tonight's build is massive! and I think this should be more widely announced :)
23:45:47scorcheLlorean: i wasnt offering an opinion...just a fact
23:45:47jhMikeSunless the only code that calls sc606_* functions is IRQ code, IRQs must be disabled by the non-irq code
23:46:11Lloreanscorche: I'd really like to put together a plan of some sort for working toward 3.0, actually. Not involving dates, but specific goals of some sort, at least so there's something hanging over peoples' heads in a general way.
23:46:28SnicBut yeah, that's the only thing I can think of, all of my personal computers are running either Gentoo or Ubuntu. So, no iTunes on any of those, but hook it into her system so she can grab some of my music and BAM, everything's hosed.
23:46:30kurbjunkall the sc606 calls are done in one thread that is called durring the tick task
23:46:48H10_007quickHow do I create a new wiki page?
23:46:49jhMikeStick tasks aren't threads
23:46:56kurbjunksorry, not thread
23:46:56scorcheLlorean: might be something to consider adding to the devcon idea list
23:47:02linuxstbLlorean: IMO the two main aims for 3.0 should be: 1) Get rombox back for all the Archos devices; 2) Have a playback engine everyone is happy with
23:47:02iobound_i just told my ipod-shopping friend about rbx the other day and he hadn't heard about it, which is a shame (but he found it _very_ interesting).
23:47:04kurbjunkbut tick task, irq code
23:47:12kurbjunkI mean sorry
23:47:14Lloreanlinuxstb: That's about how I feel too.
23:47:16jhMikeSnp
23:47:19H10_007quickI think I will just work on making one and then if people don't want it, just delete it
23:47:50Lloreanlinuxstb: Basically, I'd like to put together a list of pre-freeze requirements. Something to say "We'll enter feature freeze when all of these are done." Of course, flexible enough to take into account changes.
23:47:52kurbjunkshould probabyl fix that old comment then too
23:47:55bluebrotherH10_007quick, why not search for the old pages? I guess they are still around
23:48:08kurbjunkjhMikeS, did you say that you were having trouble exiting the timeout menu?
23:48:10jhMikeSMy buttons died once though, so something knocked out
23:48:10H10_007quickhmm
23:48:20jhMikeSkurbjunk: yes
23:48:26iobound_anyway i'm going to go ahead and play with this new awesome toy, again thanks for the great work
23:48:29SnicAlright, take care guys.
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23:48:36kurbjunkwhat was the problem?
23:48:39LloreanAnd I think 3.0 should only had the H100/H300, for now. I'm not even sure the X5 is "release" ready yet, considering some of the hardware concerns relating to poor radio reception, and there's also the lack of dual boot.
23:48:50LloreanWell, previous targets + H100/300
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23:49:11H10_007quickand H10\
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23:49:35scorcheLlorean: poor radio reception is typically due to poorly designed hardware
23:49:35jhMikeSIf I Cancel, I have to push twice. If I push accept it just keeps going back to the menu
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23:49:52scorchei have no clue if it is this way on the x5, but just saying..
23:50:36kurbjunkjhMikeS, that is strange, it's the same menu code that's used on the sansa, did you rerun configure?
23:50:36Lloreanscorche: It's poorer than the original firmware.
23:50:44jhMikeSscorche: some changes I did help a lot for all targets in the US/Canada region but thing have to be done differenly for Europe for it to work correctly.
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23:50:46kurbjunkI don't think you need to though..
23:50:54peturrofl
23:50:59jhMikeSkurbjunk: I'll try it out
23:51:02scorchehrm..
23:51:07peturender` finally quited
23:51:36scorcheadding it to euro devcon sounds like a good idea...we can have a large discussion about it
23:51:51jhMikeSbuilding...
23:52:00LloreanOh, by the way, scorche, can you give me contact info or a website for the Devcon-W hotel? I have a few things I need to ask them (to determine if I need to pack some stuff)
23:52:26*amiconn doesn't think we'd need dual boot support on a target to be release ready
23:52:28scorcheLlorean: i provided a link on the mails and the wiki page
23:52:34pixelmajhMikeS: that seems to be a menu bug introduced today
23:52:36preglowamiconn: agreed
23:52:55Lloreanscorche: Okay, hadn't looked yet.
23:52:56amiconnWe don't even need to support all hardware
23:53:14scorcheLlorean: i am /still/ waiting on a call back from this guy...it is starting to piss me off...but it will save a lot of money =/
23:53:14Lloreanscorche: I'm going to try to get a stand-up whiteboard, since I think that could be quite useful.
23:53:17amiconn*iirc* the first release(s) for archos recorder didn't even support recording
23:53:40peturstability and usablility should be key factors
23:53:40LloreanBut I've also heard that hotels can sometimes provide/loan similar things for conferences, so I figured I may as well check.
23:53:44H10_007quickhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/QuickStart would that be the "noob" page?
23:53:49scorchegood idea
23:53:51amiconn(iirc from reading back only - that was even before my time, which started with rockbox 2.0 on an archos recorder)
23:54:07kurbjunkjhMikeS, are you having trouble with other settings as well?
23:54:11LloreanH10_007quick: Have you answered as to what's missing from the manual, or what you think the page needs?
23:54:15scorchewas planning on doing something similar with hooking my computer to the hdtv, but that will work too =)
23:54:20bluebrotherH10_007quick, the h10 definitely won't be a 3.0 candidate
23:54:29amiconnpetur: Yes. Apart from general stability there is one thing that needs to be done for X5 and M5, and that is power management
23:54:33Lloreanscorche: A whiteboard is a bit more flexible for multiple users.
23:54:34amiconn(especially charging)
23:54:39scorcheindeed
23:54:43LloreanBut I'm all for a combination of strategies
23:55:01 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))
23:55:18LloreanH10_007quick: No PortalPlayer target currently has even an inkling of a chance of becoming release-capable until some major problems are solved.
23:55:47preglowlike power management...
23:56:03LloreanPower Management and USB, I think.
23:56:03H10_007quickLlorean: Mainly just links to the various places for new people to find information that is not in the manual
23:56:04bluebrotherbut what's the exact status of the x5? Wouldn't that be a 3.0 candidate?
23:56:11LloreanAnd the ability to play music with full EQ safely
23:56:20LloreanH10_007quick: What information needs to be in the manual, but isn't then?
23:56:22kurbjunkso markun/jhMikeS, in summary I need to look at the blip at the end of fading and the red build immediately
23:56:24LloreanH10_007quick: Why not just fix teh manual?
23:56:32bluebrotherH10_007quick, so what exactly are you missing in the manual?
23:56:55H10_007quickYou guys just don't get it!
23:57:02bluebrotherputting the information at some random place isn't a good way imo, all necessary information should be in the manual
23:57:03H10_007quickThe manual is good
23:57:08Lloreanbluebrother: The X5 is on the edge. Its radio seems to be questionable, and it doesn't have dual boot yet still, which seems to be a sticking point for some users. So I think the X5 can easily be argued either wya
23:57:10kurbjunkand possibly the menu if that is due to my commit, but on my older svn tree that worked fine for me, I need to check it in the latest tree too
23:57:10 Part juxtap
23:57:18amiconnbluebrother: On X5 and M5 I don'tz trust rockbox at all regarding charging. I always charge in the cowon bootloader
23:57:26jhMikeSkurbjunk: I haven't had any yet...but it's hard to check them all out. I'm sure the button loss was due to my messing around with my patch though.
23:57:28LloreanH10_007quick: The manual is NOT good if it doesn't contain the information a "noob" needs.
23:57:39bluebrotherhmm −− no hardware controlled charging on x5?
23:57:42amiconnNot that rockbox will hurt the battery, but it will probably take ages to charge (if it charges at all)
23:57:43LloreanH10_007quick: Our definition of "good" for the manual somewhat requires that.
23:57:56H10_007quickI don't mean to add information to the wiki, but to organize it by making a page for all the new poeple
23:58:05kurbjunkjhMikeS, ok, I'll look into the blip and red build then
23:58:08bluebrotherthe manual does not require the FAQ, but it requires everything to get started with Rockbox.
23:58:17amiconnbluebrother: It's a combination. The carging itself is hardware controlled, but current values can be changed by software
23:58:24LloreanH10_007quick: Again, why not fix the manual? What information is only available on the wiki, that you think noobs need?
23:58:32bluebrotherthe page for the new people is the manual
23:58:39bluebrotherah.
23:58:43*linuxstb benchmarks a random MP3 file as being 165% realtime on his ipod
23:58:53amiconnUSB charging at 500mA needs quite special handling, which isn't done in rockbox afaik

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