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#rockbox log for 2007-05-18

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00:01:55Lars_Glinuxstb: btw that was just a joke, sorry if it was too informal or something
00:02:55 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox")
00:03:00linuxstbLars_G: No problem ;)
00:03:02Lars_Gbluebrother: Altough it seems one of the SoC projects is a good usb stack, acoording to Llorean so some devices might get USB mode support after summer (let's pray)
00:03:56bluebrotherLars_G: I know ... I just was referring to the current state. Having usb support in Rockbox would be a great thing
00:04:16bluebrotherespecially with issues like this mini-hangs-sometimes-on-reboot
00:04:20jhMikeSLars_G: Kick back, take your pants off and relax - this #rockbox afterall ;)
00:04:31bluebrotherhit me just of today again. Kinda annoying.
00:05:00Lars_GjhMikeS: the thing is I am not sure if the big heads here are MIT-grade assholes or street-grade relaxed geeks.
00:06:19LloreanLars_G: Somewhere in between.
00:06:30jhMikeSIf /me
00:06:43jhMikeS's head is looking big it's probably encephalitis
00:06:52Lars_Ghehehe
00:07:13 Part LinusN
00:07:19LloreanThere are channel guidelines, because the channel is logged and we don't like the log too clogged, so the rules are enforced most of the time, but there's a general acknowledgement that people are humans, so we don't beat down every bit of humor with clubs.
00:08:13bluebrotherbig heads are usually somewhat strange, but once you are used to it the people here are quite nice.
00:08:35*bluebrother likes the friendliness of this channel
00:08:37*jhMikeS tries and tries to get beaten but just can't seem to invoke it
00:08:48jhMikeSprovoke even
00:08:58bluebrotherget beaten for what?
00:09:02Lars_GLlorean: Understood
00:09:04linuxstbJust change your name to "forehead"...
00:09:08*scorche communicates that jhMikeS hasnt tried hard enough
00:09:11bluebrotherLOL
00:09:21jhMikeStop posting? almost had it :\
00:09:44bluebrothersounds like you got cured ;-)
00:09:53 Quit midkay ("Leaving")
00:10:09*petur beats jhMikeS just because he asked
00:10:20*jhMikeS learns too quickly :p
00:10:23bluebrotherno slapping?
00:10:24Lars_Gomg what have I done
00:10:45bluebrothermaybe throw forehead around?
00:14:06scorchelinuxstb: for future reference, "/cs access #rockbox list" will give you a list of ops on the channel
00:17:23toffe82just one question perhaps a little off topic : do you think that we can use this kind of stuff to stream out the video from a player ? http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20070509/dual-displays-easy-the-tritton-usb-to-vga-adapter/
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00:18:44Lloreantoffe82: Probably not, as it requires "USB2.0" speeds which probably means full speed.
00:19:29bluebrothersounds like this is some kind of graphics-card-over-usb thing. Which would require a driver for this "graphics card"
00:19:38toffe82but on some player the chip is a usb2 (gigabeat) , the one on the dock also
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00:20:34LloreanYes, but can it support full speed serving as host, or high speed serving as host?
00:21:22toffe82good question :)
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00:22:40LloreanMost USB Host supporting devices seem to not support the fastest speed despite being USB2.0 compliant.
00:24:09toffe82ok
00:24:32saratogai'd assume its a CPU issue
00:24:42saratoga480mbit is supposed to be cpu intensive
00:24:48LloreanI'd imagine it is.
00:24:50saratogawell relatively speaking
00:24:59 Quit bluebrother ("sleep ...")
00:27:10CassandraOoh, I'm on here. LinusN, Bagder, you around?
00:28:26DomonokyCassandra: on the way to Devcon ? :-)
00:29:18CassandraTomorrow, yes.
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00:38:53 Part TrueJournals
00:40:08peturbah, I'll be the last one to arrive, hope I won't wake up anybody tomorrow ;)
00:41:11 Part digerati1338
00:41:57scorcheyou bring beer though
00:42:06Cassandrapetur: got a contact number for Linus/Daniel?
00:42:13CassandraI could do with one.
00:42:26peturI'll PM you the number
00:42:29CassandraOr Contactor, for that matter.
00:42:31CassandraThanks.
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00:43:22JdGordontheir modilbes are on haxx.se iirc
00:43:25JdGordonmobiles*
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00:43:55*petur tries to figure out what JdGordon tried to write :)
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00:45:31peturCassandra: getting my PM?
00:46:59scorcheJdGordon: i see addresses, mail, public keys, maps, but no numbers
00:47:54peturhttp://www.haxx.se/contact.html
00:48:37CassandraWow. I wouldn't put my cellphone number on a public website.
00:48:52scorcheoh...i was looking at their personal sites
00:49:21Cassandrapetur, yeah, sorry. For some reason I wasn't logged into nickserv.
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00:52:37peturwow... 17kg packed
00:52:54*petur looks for another 3kg beer :)
00:52:56CassandraNow pack something other than technology.
00:53:24CassandraLast time I got a serious once-over in customs when they discovered I had four MP3 players in my bag.
00:53:26peturheh, most of that is beer (well glass +beer)
00:53:37CassandraI'm expecting the same this year.
00:53:45toffe8217kg, must be a lot of dap :)
00:54:10Cassandra(It'd be five if I wasn't using the other one.)
00:54:34CassandraFive MP3 players really isn't that many, right?
00:54:47CassandraI mean it's not even a quarter of what Rockbox runs on.
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00:55:30scorcheone would be hardpressed to compete with linus
00:56:06CassandraI think I own more seperate models than any other developer except Jens and Linus.
00:57:15CassandraDon't you wish you were as cool as I am?
00:57:18*petur has only one
00:57:23donutman25q
00:57:44toffe82I think I own more identical models than any other developer ;)
00:57:55Cassandratoffe82, what you got?
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00:59:07toffe82all the toshiba's gigabeat F, X, S and V (4 F, 1 X, 2 S and 1 V) non counting the one non working ( like 10 F and S)
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00:59:09JdGordonhe is keeping toshiba in buisness :p
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00:59:54scorcheiirc, [IDC]Dragon has quite a few identical archos units as well....or perhaps i am getting that from a picture of ones that were not all his
01:00
01:00:14*Cassandra adds a silly joke to the wiki.
01:00:34Cassandratoffe82, why?
01:01:15toffe82don't know ;) I bought them cheap on ebay
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01:01:36toffe82and repair some to feed the dev
01:01:48JdGordonCassandra: can you work on amiconn to either code up viewports or explain/write up his idea for them? I might have a crack at them after exams (2 weeks)
01:02:05CassandraJdGordon, I'll mention it to people.
01:02:26CassandraIt's a long overdue feature IMHO.
01:02:27scorcheJdGordon: you might want to add it to the wiki as well
01:02:43JdGordoncheers
01:02:49CassandraLike the installer. Which incompetant was supposed to be writing that installer anyway?
01:03:05scorcherbutility?
01:03:13Cassandrarbutil, yes.
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01:04:31JdGordonactually... I used rbutil recently for the first time and I liked it
01:05:16Cassandrarbutil is fab. It needs finishing though.
01:05:40CassandraThe good news is that thanks to domo...whatshisname it's not too far off.
01:05:54CassandraI reckon I can tidy it up to release status in a month or so.
01:06:14scorchedomonoky?
01:06:22CassandraYup.
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01:08:09webguest56How do i add themes onto my ipod video
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01:17:13Brettohey guys
01:17:33BrettoI just installed on a 4g ipod and I can't seem to find what I'm looking for in the manual
01:17:55peturwebguest56: most themes should just unzip on your ipod
01:18:12Brettobasically I'm just wondering what's the "proper way" of adding new music to my ipod?
01:18:31Brettodo I just add new files anywhere anyhow I please and then ask ROckbox to search and create a database?
01:18:49peturBretto: either keep using itunes + rockbox database or just drag/drop into a folder tree of your choice
01:19:00mpeccoriniwhat are you looking for?
01:19:34Brettopetur: cool, thanks man...I guess I'm just going to do like "Flac music", "OGG music" etc
01:19:37mpeccoriniLOL, my scrollbar was a little moved
01:20:01peturBretto: I'm using /music/A/artist/cd
01:20:26Brettopetur: that's a lot of typing though:)
01:20:46Brettounless you are using Linux? Probably have a nice script to do that for you?
01:21:07peturwhy?
01:21:28markunCassandra: nice to see you are going again this year!
01:21:36peturit makes it easier to browse through all my music
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01:24:09Brettohm, do I have to reboot to change themes?
01:24:40peturno, just select it (settings -> browse themes)
01:26:30*petur walks off to bed
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01:26:59*JdGordon hates trying to figure out if a intermittant bug is fixed :'(
01:27:13mpeccoriniguys, if I run a "svn status" I get some files with an M for modified and some with a ? which are not in the repository. Will a "svn update" delete those files?
01:27:58dionoeasvn update never deletes files you modified
01:28:13mpeccoriniBretto: you may need to get the fonts for your themes to work
01:28:13dionoeait can only delete files which were deleted upstream which you didn't modify
01:28:25mpeccorinidionoea: thanks
01:29:58BrettoI copied some flac files, how do I play them once they are on the ipod?
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01:32:27AlldogshipI'm filled with bugs today
01:32:39webguest56when i unzipped the themes and added them to the ipod they wont open
01:32:51webguest56all it does is change the color of the background
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01:33:53webguest56petur: please guide me on how to add themes to the ipod correctly
01:34:29scorchewebguest56: they likely have errors in them
01:34:42webguest56which themes dont then
01:34:54scorchetest and find out
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01:35:20webguest56how should i test them
01:35:31webguest56to add themes i unzip them
01:35:41webguest56then drag that file into the themes folder in .rockbox
01:38:32webguest56The themes are not working
01:38:36webguest56please help me with themes
01:38:40JavacatDoes anyone know whether the Cowon X5 can be charged through USB with Rockbox?
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01:41:46simmelYes.
01:41:53simmelBut you have to turn it off.
01:42:38webguest56How do i add themes to rockbox on my ipod?
01:43:59Javacatthanks simmel
01:44:39BrettoI copied some flac files over to my ipod, and now I can't find them :( I should just be able to browse "files" from the main menu correct?
01:45:30Brettonevermind...
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01:47:15webguest56How do i add themes to ipod video correctly?
01:47:53scorchethe manual covers this...there is no need to repeat the question over and over
01:48:08Brettowebguest56: dont drag and drop the folder. Just unzip it right to the ipod.
01:49:17Brettoalso make sure you installed the fonts
01:49:46webguest56do i select the .rockbox folder
01:50:00Lars_Gmeh I have to redownload the skins.
01:50:01webguest56or just dra it right to the ipod symbol saying my name on it
01:50:53Brettoneither
01:51:14Brettounzip the compressed file. select the destination as your ipod
01:51:56webguest56so select all then click extract
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02:04:20Lars_Gis album art still a "patch only" thing?
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02:04:29TekNikalGuys
02:04:33TekNikalSome help her?
02:04:37TekNikalhere*?
02:04:45markunTekNikal: what kind of help?
02:05:05TekNikalLag help
02:05:16TekNikal> e260
02:05:21digerati1338I can help
02:05:38digerati1338it lags when you are playing a song, correct?
02:05:40TekNikalWhenever i play a song AND or play games it lags tremendously
02:05:43TekNikalare
02:05:45digerati1338yep
02:05:53TekNikalaye
02:05:55digerati1338are you using SVN?
02:06:05TekNikalis it installed?
02:06:09TekNikalor is it used
02:06:13digerati1338where did you get rockbox?
02:06:13TekNikalI got it on there
02:06:21TekNikalWebsite
02:06:22digerati1338try using a custom build
02:06:23TekNikalthe main one
02:06:32TekNikalactually
02:06:35digerati1338the cpchan build works well
02:06:41digerati1338or you could use my digibuild
02:06:47zehttp://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Korg-MR1?sku=700878 <−− how about rockbox on that thing? :p
02:06:52scorcheTekNikal: are you talking about playing a song at the same time you are playing a game?
02:06:53TekNikalCompiled Rockbox: chrisjs branch
02:06:56TekNikalyes
02:06:56digerati1338custom builds include patches that temporarily fix the lag problems.
02:07:06TekNikalIm using Compiled Rockbox: chrisjs branch
02:07:18digerati1338That should work well
02:07:23digerati1338unless its out of date
02:07:27TekNikal@scorche whether im playing a game or browsing through songs
02:07:31digerati1338I know cpchan just updated his build today
02:07:52digerati1338and my digibuild is building right now
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02:10:30digerati1338try here: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=72 look for Compiled Rockbox
02:11:19TekNikalYeh i got it
02:11:22TekNikal2 0.0
02:11:32TekNikalo oops
02:11:32TekNikalnvm
02:12:18TekNikalwhich on
02:12:24TekNikali was using the cphan one
02:12:30TekNikalI'll try Chris's
02:12:43TekNikalStrange
02:13:07TekNikalStill laggy
02:13:15TekNikalMaybe i changed fonts?
02:13:50TekNikalNope
02:13:54TekNikalstill all laggy =(
02:15:04TekNikalMaybe theme problem??
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02:16:37TekNikal?
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02:20:23kkurbjunlinuxstb, what did you have to add to the hard drive you replaced on the gigabeat to allow the player to boot?
02:23:19TekNikalIt lags when i play a song on my e260
02:23:21TekNikalHelp?
02:23:30TekNikalNon of the compiled works
02:23:54scorcheturn off the EQ, peakmeters, crossfade, etc
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02:51:30ivanHiya
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02:51:50ivanscorche: :'(
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02:52:35scorche...what?
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02:54:42ivaniPod got reformatted :(
02:55:06scorcheand why did you highlight me with a frowny face?
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02:56:02ivanbecause you helped me so much
02:56:03ivanlol
02:56:12ivanand now it's all gone with 1 click
02:56:22*scorche shrugs
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03:04:54saratogafinally got the ffmpeg cruft away from the wma decoder and asf parser
03:05:12saratoganow i've got a free standing wma to wav program
03:05:26saratogausing hte latest ffmpeg source for decoding
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03:08:40JohnSpiegelhello, I'm John Spiegel, and I'm thinking about trying to get RockBox working on the Samsung YP-U2.
03:08:48JohnSpiegelSo... uhh... can I have wiki edit permissions?
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03:12:45saratogaJohnSpiegel: I think everyone with the ability to do that is on European time, so they're probably in bed
03:13:03saratogaif you don't hear anything, try again a bit earlier tomorrow
03:14:56scorchesaratoga: anyone who can edit the wiki can do it...i am just a bit busy atm
03:15:32JohnSpiegelI'm patient... :)
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03:22:41digerati1338I could do it if someone can tell me how. I already have wiki permissions.
03:24:00JohnSpiegelIt looks like you need to add me here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsersGroup
03:25:41digerati1338yep that looks right
03:27:36digerati1338you should be good 2 go.
03:27:46JohnSpiegelok, thanks. :)
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03:28:56digerati1338np;)
03:34:01saratogaoh wow
03:34:04saratogadidn't know we could do that
03:34:11saratogaanyway, i have a question
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03:34:23saratogahow do I know if a sansa I order is the Rhapsody one or not?
03:34:32saratogado they have different part numbers or something?
03:34:49scorchetypically, they are called something liek the e260R
03:35:22saratogathe amazon page is confusing me:
03:35:24saratogahttp://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDMX4-8192-Sansa-Player-Black/dp/B000HZ9CCA/ref=acc_glance_ce_main_0_img/104-9767671-7124751?ie=UTF8&qid=1179451925&sr=8-2
03:35:34saratogait says e280, but mentions rhapsody
03:35:50saratoga"Microsoft PlaysForSure Certified ensures that what you buy from PlaysForSure-certified online music stores such as Real Rhapsody will play on your Sansa e200 series MP3 player."
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03:36:19webguest97Where can i get the instructions on how to load themes onto my ipod video?
03:37:01scorchethe manual
03:37:33digerati1338saratoga: The only place to get Rhapsody is best buy.
03:37:57digerati1338saratoga: They should alwasy have an R as in "e260R" as opposed to "e260"
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03:39:06saratogaso the normal sansa supports rhapsody, but is not a rhapsody model?
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03:39:47webguest97can someone help me on how to load themes onto my ipod
03:39:53digerati1338i dont think the normal sansa supports rhapsody
03:39:57digerati1338though it might
03:40:11ivani'm just waiting for you RB to be on the 80GB iPod
03:40:14digerati1338actually i'm pretty sure it doesn't
03:40:25saratogathe manual implies it does, so i guess thats just a normal sansa on amazon
03:41:10digerati1338webguest97: go here: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16
03:42:32markunwebguest97: why do you use different nicks? It's a bit confusing
03:43:42digerati1338saratoga: I checked out the link you gave and it looks like a non-R model to me, but I can't be sure.
03:45:21saratogathanks
03:45:24webguest97Where do i out the extracted theme file in
03:45:35saratogalooking online, rhapsody is just PlaysForSure, so its probably a regular one
03:46:07ivanthis sucks finally got rockbox on my 60gb photo iPod and mom connected it to my lappy and itunes deleted everything
03:47:45webguest97Where do i place the extracted them file in my ipod?
03:48:25digerati1338webguest98: just save the zip to your desktop, right click, extract all, select your ipod
03:49:10digerati1338saratoga: when i got mine i was able to get it very cheap with some rebates. I don't know if they are still doing that but you might try a quick search.
03:50:52saratogayeah i know, but prices have been rising on the sansa lately
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03:51:50EnCoReI need help on a quick question
03:52:09EnCoReI would like to re-install the original firmware on my h10 20gb
03:52:29EnCoRei was a bone head and i didn't save the h10_20G.mi4
03:54:15scorchesaratoga: i see this as the cheapest e260 atm: http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4090787&JRSource=linkshare.datafeed.SAD+SDMX44096A7
03:54:37digerati1338encore: do a google search. You can find one online.
03:55:44digerati1338saratoga: that is the store i got mine from too. I only paid 90 something for an e260 with a $30 Mail in Rebate and $10 google checkout discount.
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03:56:45saratogasame price as amazon for the e280 though
03:57:02saratogathink i'm just going to get it there
03:57:10scorcheis it used?
03:57:11saratogai'm still pissed i missed that 148 deal at costco
03:57:15saratogano new
03:57:36EnCoRebah the only thing i found was the recovery tool on the iriver website
03:57:47EnCoReits working, yet it is formatting my drive too :-(
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04:09:05saratogahow is the volume issue on the sansa anyway?
04:09:11saratogai remember seeing a patch for it
04:09:15saratogadid that resolve the problem or not
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04:09:58digerati1338as of SVN earlier today the sound is amazing
04:10:30digerati1338the volume goe very high now and the sound is better than the default firmware IMO
04:11:01digerati1338A few patches were just committed that really helped, along with the new sound api patch
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04:35:50jurriequestion wrt to Sansa dev't. Would the white screen meltdowns that I see from time to time be expected to be related to memory corruption issues associated with plugins (i.e. games) or RockBox system APIs? Since the plugins run on all platforms I would guess that these are fairly well flushed out by now. However, if that's not the case then this is an area where I could contribute a bit.
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04:36:58pilpilhi im trying to find that comparison chart that compares the rockbox to archos firmware can someone link me that
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04:43:17saratogapilpil: this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison
04:45:48digerati1338anyone here good with linux shell scripts?
04:46:35digerati1338Im trying to figure out how to unzip one zip file into another zip file
04:47:00digerati1338or merge two zip files into 1
04:47:23digerati1338I suppose I could do it with a temporary directory
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04:50:31digerati1338perhaps "unzip -p directory | zip -r filename.zip"
04:52:23jurriecouple with "zip -u" to update one of the existing zip archives with the extracted contents of the other
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05:04:19Gursikhhey guys 1- OMG i updated my rockbox after some months and it's AWESOME 2- any place/link/etc I can find what codecs the archos 6000 supportS?
05:04:43scorchemp3
05:05:08Gursikhthat's it right?
05:05:19scorcheyup
05:05:27amiconnmp2+mp3
05:05:34Gursikhok that's what I thought (and what a quick wiki search reveleaed)
05:06:03*scorche never thinks of mp2...
05:12:30ptw419what is a good site to upload files?
05:12:44ptw419for others to d/l to i mean
05:15:46digerati1338rapidshare is used by a lot of people, though I don't like it personally
05:19:18ptw419thanx
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05:23:52ptw419I have posted the Gigabeat S frame buffer write code on the gigabeat S wiki
05:23:56ptw419http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo
05:24:20ptw419under Gigabeat S sig disable and framebuffer write
05:25:57JdGordonamiconn: you doing an all nighter before devcon?
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05:33:16JdGordonhey zivan56, any news with the tuner?
05:34:33zivan56still having trouble getting precisions frequencies, although I am getting close
05:36:56zivan56err precise frequencies, ie 103.5 is tuned to 103.412
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05:53:12saratogalooks like a hack is available for the gigabeat s
05:54:49aliask|uniVery basic at the moment, but it's a promising sign of things to come :)
05:58:40saratogawow theres a manual
05:58:42saratoga2400 pages
05:58:44saratogafor the CPU
05:58:48saratogathats unthinkable
05:58:54saratogadocumented hardware
05:59:11aliask|uniFor the i.MX31?
05:59:19ptw419 yeah
05:59:23ptw419thats a fun read
05:59:34btdubs...very, haha
05:59:37aliask|uniWow, where's that - I've only found a much smaller one.
05:59:49ptw419it's even a better time trying to find what you need in that thing...
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06:00:25aliask|uniYeah, my version is only 108 pages... it doesn't contain much information
06:00:38btdubsassuming the S gets hacked and rockbox loaded, will floating point codecs be implemented?
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06:00:54scorchenot likely
06:01:03aliask|uniPossibly, but they may not get implemented in SVN because it only works on one target.
06:01:10scorcheexactly
06:01:41aliask|uniBut the FPU will be a handy thing to have, no doubt.
06:02:03btdubs...i was kind of joking since you guys were talking about the CPU
06:02:10btdubslol, i think 533 is more than enough
06:02:20saratogahttp://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/ref_manual/MCIMX31RM.pdf?fpsp=1
06:03:04ptw419that manual is very complicated...
06:03:06aliask|uniAh, how did I miss that? I'm staring at the page with that on it...
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06:04:58saratogawhats it use for display?
06:05:05saratogai did't see a controller in the manual
06:05:20amiconnJdGordon: Nah, just awoke early
06:05:58ptw419ipu?
06:06:22ptw419thats the most in depth thing in the manual i could find on graphics
06:07:19ptw419try starting around page 1863
06:07:26saratogaoh chapter 44
06:07:28saratogahow did i miss that
06:07:37ptw419ipu starts on page 1925
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06:08:28saratogawell that should make writing a real display driver pretty easy
06:08:47saratogawe should chip in and by bagder one
06:08:52saratogahe probably can't resist
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06:38:40ptw419i actually have a linux distribution specifically tailored for the imx.31 that i got from freescale
06:39:15ptw419should be very useful in helping to write drivers. not to mention the manual, and disassembling the firmware driver files as well
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08:19:54linuxstb_kkurbjun: 02.20.23 # <kkurbjun> linuxstb, what did you have to add to the hard drive you replaced on the gigabeat to allow the player to boot? <−−- Just the GBSYSTEM folder, nothing else. I haven't tried booting the original firmware though, just Rockbox.
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08:29:25JdGordonlinuxstb_: your going to devcon right?
08:31:18JdGordonwiki says not.. oh well.. if they come online, can you poke amiconn to have a look at FS #7134 from a ondio POV please?
08:36:05linuxstb_I won't be around this weekend either, starting in a few hours time.
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08:44:50JdGordonhmm ok... Im sure someone will pass the message on or he'll read the logs
08:44:56JdGordonhave a good w/e all
08:44:59JdGordonback tomorow night
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09:00:09kkurbjunlinuxstb, I had some trouble getting a 30 gig HD working that was not originally formatted .. I thought you ran into the same problem upgrading a hd, but I guess not
09:00:31kkurbjunI ended up fixing it by doing a low level format and then using the gigabeat formatter tool
09:01:07kkurbjunnot originally formatted for the gigabeat that is
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09:17:09Bagderdevcon day!
09:18:26peturbut first: another working day!
09:18:53Bagderhey, I'm trying to create a good atmosphere here!
09:18:58Bagder:-)
09:19:12peturlet's hope nothing breaks in the tight time-schedule ;)
09:19:33peturalright then: YIHAAA
09:22:13linuxstb_Bagder: Before the fun starts, could you move a file to the download server?
09:22:30linuxstb_http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutil-v0.3.2.3.dmg
09:22:40linuxstb_(Mac OS X version of rbutil)
09:24:09Bagderwill do!
09:24:17linuxstb_Bagder: Also, what do you think about adding Toni's sansa emulator to SVN, as well as the new disassembler he's started work on?
09:24:27BagderI'd love to see them both added
09:24:47aliaskThat disassembler looks really promising
09:25:48Bagderrbutil-v0.3.2.3.dmg is now on the dl site
09:26:21linuxstb_Thanks, I'll update the wiki. Domonoky has also uploaded a new win32 binary - he's linked to it from the RockboxUtility wiki page.
09:27:24Bagderok, I put that on the dl site too now
09:29:20linuxstb_Any thoughts about where in SVN these extra tools should go?
09:34:03peturfrrrr... recording settings aren't saved anymore :(
09:35:51Bagderlinuxstb: are those sources particularly big?
09:36:05Bagderif not, I think just in the trunk makes it most conveniant
09:36:23linuxstb_I'm not sure - the disassembler is tiny (at the moment...), I haven't got a copy of the emulator to hand.
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09:48:19linuxstbBagder: The emulator source is about 138KB - 8 source files.
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10:10:56Bagderlinuxstb: small enough to be put in the trunk like rbutil then I think
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10:13:21CassandraRight. It's Sweden-time.
10:13:36CassandraSee you all on the other side.
10:13:49petursee you later ;)
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10:13:57peturhave a good trip
10:14:20petureow... 10+ seconds lag :(
10:17:51JurassicChas anybody looked at the Sansa Connect yet?
10:18:38Bagderlooked at?
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10:19:31BagderI've seen some dissect pics that's about all I know
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11:00:47*petur waits for the devcon webpage to arrive ;)
11:00:54*bluebrother too
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11:02:36scorcheBagder: so if you wated to do the skype thing, just install it on a computer with speakers and a mic, and i will set up the conference if you wish
11:02:44scorche4
11:04:00BagderI seem to have lost that javascript thing that reloaded the pic only
11:05:30bluebrotherwhat was the first devcon btw? Just found the 2002 page :)
11:06:11Bagderthat was the first, but we called it devcon then mostly for fun
11:06:15*linuxstb gueses the first devcon was Bagder, Zagor and LinusN in a bar
11:06:17peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/ http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2006/
11:06:42bluebrotherhttp://www.rockbox.org/devcon/
11:07:12ZagorBagder: I have that javascript. have you started with a page already?
11:07:16bluebrotherthat was 2002
11:07:22BagderZagor: no, just planning for it
11:07:32BagderI won't be there until around 21 tonight
11:07:39BagderLinus takes the first hit ;-)
11:07:59scorcheis that script device specific? (ie, could i use it for mine?)
11:08:13Zagorscorche: the javascript?
11:08:16Bagderit's just a silly javascript that reloads the picture of a web page
11:08:26Bagderwithout having to reload the html
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11:09:34BagderZagor: but we should create a page now and start populating it with details as we go
11:09:49Bagderpossibly we should put it on "giant" from the start
11:09:52ZagorI just mkdir:ed devcon2007
11:10:09Bagdergoodie
11:10:10Zagoryou have a point
11:10:20scorchei still need to figure out what to do via that route for west...
11:10:23Bagderwell, we could put the images there at least
11:12:04jaczehack_deuxI'll be there tomorrow to play allan
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11:13:52Zagorhttp://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/webcam.html
11:13:59Zagornot that there's any actual image yet ;)
11:14:07Bagder:-)
11:14:22linuxstbTurn the lights on...
11:14:43bluebrotherhez, that image is broken! ;)
11:14:58BagderZagor: we need an index page too with some basic info like time schedule etc
11:15:03Zagorbluebrother: yeah, but it's refreshing!
11:15:17Bagderrefreshingly broken!
11:15:17bluebrotherhehe
11:15:41bluebrotherbtw, will you save the pictures (or at least some of them) this year?
11:15:58Bagderyeah, that's the plan
11:16:08Bagderlet's see how things work out
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11:19:21preglowspect i'll come back to pictures of you all passed out with petur's beer bottles lying around empty
11:19:24preglowparty hats and all
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11:19:37n1shaha :-)
11:19:48Zagoroooh, there'll be hats? yay!
11:19:58bluebrotherdevparty?
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11:21:17Bagderno, you're not allowed to use the rockbox cups for beer!
11:21:17peturpreglow: in case you missed, my luggage is now at 18kg, mostly beer bottles ;)
11:21:20Bagder;-)
11:21:30preglowahahaha
11:21:32preglowcurse you!
11:21:54preglowrockbox cups???
11:22:09Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/mugs/
11:22:10peturyes blue ones
11:22:10bluebrotherwhen is the beer planned? I should get some for attending with a beer ;)
11:22:44preglowwtfroflomg
11:22:47preglowme wantey
11:22:51*bluebrother wonders about the look of the shirts
11:23:16*petur hopes to get at devcon before 23h
11:23:57Bagderbluebrother: I didn't bother to take any pics of them yet
11:24:14Bagderperhaps I should...
11:24:44bluebrotherBagder: guessed so ... but as we now have a brokenly reloading webcam picture ... ;-)
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11:32:37Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/tshirts2007.html
11:32:59Bagderpoor photos, but still shows how they look
11:33:10scorcheoooo...they are quite a bit different
11:33:16preglowghah, me wantey them too
11:33:27bluebrotherniiice
11:34:31intgrIt's wrinkled. :)
11:34:49Bagderrockbox-wrinkles!
11:36:02peturnice!
11:41:50Bagderok, I added some basic data on http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/
11:46:36preglowyou got the tshirts today? :P
11:46:47Bagderhehe, yeah
11:46:48preglowhow fashionably late
11:47:00preglowooh, that's almost a good pun
11:47:51n1s:-P
11:49:35Bagderactually, it got this late since I was away and couldn't receive them until today
11:49:45preglowah, good point
11:50:09Bagderbut perhaps that spoils the feeling of being in the last minute...
11:50:09scorchedid you order the same amount of cups as shirts?
11:50:14Bagderscorche: yes
11:50:25Bagder30
11:50:33scorchethose are going to add tot eh skipping price a bit =/
11:50:33*preglow takes a sip from his vi reference mug
11:50:50Bagderscorche: I bet!
11:51:00aliaskpreglow: Big mug?
11:51:06Bagderhaha
11:51:14preglowyou should see the emacs one!
11:51:17*bluebrother still needs to buy that mug
11:51:18scorchepreglow: domt make me take a shot out of my drunk tux typing rm -rf into his laptop shotglass!
11:51:24bluebrother(the vi one)
11:51:25preglowhahahahaha
11:51:41preglowi don't even have to be drunk to do that
11:51:55scorchehttp://www.hackerstickers.com/products/tux-penguin-shotglass.shtml
11:52:25*aliask is pissed off - new drivers from nvidia.com dont detect the card, and i've lost the install disk
11:52:36bluebrotherhehe, funny glass
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12:03:30preglowaliask: sure you're downloading the driver for the correct card? i got a bit surprised the last time i tried to download a driver, and discovered they now have separate drivers for separate chipset series
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12:09:51Casanobai mest up my ipod nano 2g frst gen how do i fix it.. or get a copy of the firmware
12:10:34bluebrotherRockbox won't work on the nano 2G
12:10:48*petur hands bluebrother some glasses
12:10:49scorcheand this is not a general hardware help channel
12:11:00*scorche takes the glasses as well
12:11:05bluebrotherpetur: thanks.
12:11:30Casanobado anybody know where can i get ipod firmware tod ownload
12:11:35scorcheCasanoba: the most common and easiest way is to use the restore feature in itunes
12:11:47Casanobadosent work
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12:12:01bluebrothertried emergency disk mode?
12:12:29Casanobai restored 6 times... the scroll mouse get stock on language
12:12:41Casanobaemergency disk mode?
12:12:49bluebrotherscroll mouse?
12:12:50Casanobahow is that
12:13:13bluebrotherthat's a built-in way to access the ipod as a drive
12:13:20bluebrotherwithout booting the apple firmware
12:13:43CasanobaK" drive
12:14:01Casanoba?
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12:15:35Casanobaanybody know how to emergency disk mode?
12:17:39DarthShrineCasanoba, Reboot iPod, then hold centre + play as it's booting
12:18:27Casanobahow do i make my ipod boot
12:18:36DarthShrineHold centre + menu
12:19:50Casanobadosent work
12:20:18jSwetzhold it for 7 seconds
12:22:25Casanobaon the top left i se a lil lock .. i pull the lock
12:22:35Casanoba and dosent unlock is that good?
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12:25:33linuxstbCasanoba: This is a channel about the Rockbox firmware, not a general ipod support channel, so don't expect people to be able (or willing) to help...
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12:37:47scorcheBagder: still around?
12:37:54Bagderyes
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12:42:41preglowbluebrother: he had a 2 gig nano first gen, not a 2nd gen nano
12:47:24jSwetzI'm getting an error when compiling for 30GB iPod 5G. The warning says ' "BATTERY_CAPACITY_DEFAULT" redefined ' and refers to these lines in config-ipodvideo.h:
12:47:25jSwetz#define BATTERY_CAPACITY_DEFAULT 1300 /* default battery capacity */
12:47:27jSwetz=======
12:47:29jSwetz#define BATTERY_CAPACITY_DEFAULT 400 /* default battery capacity for the 30GB model */
12:47:30jSwetz>>>>>>> .r13403
12:47:32jSwetzThis is the change that Nils Wallménius did three days ago (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=13395). Could I just erase the first #define?
12:47:46scorcheplease use a pastebin next time
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13:36:43aeragood day
13:37:19aerai just wondered if you might be planning on adding Meizu M6 to Rockbox supported players
13:37:39aerawell, was just a little suggestion.
13:37:54n1saera: no one is working on it afaik
13:38:35aerahmmm.. ok. well, i hope this changes in the course of time :P
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13:39:20peturaera: there's a wiki page that explains how to start a new port or help with it
13:39:25n1saera: someone who owns the device and is capable has to step forward and do it :-)
13:39:53aerayeah, i do a little C++.. what's rockbox coded with?
13:40:25peturC and asm
13:41:10aeraok.. well, i'm not sure if i'm able to handle such a project, haha, but i'll have a look at it
13:42:31juxtapi'll help
13:42:40juxtapbut you gotta buy me a Meizu M6
13:42:45n1shaha
13:42:52aerasure
13:43:00aeraask my rich grandad
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13:44:05aerathat thing is a nice one, anyway.. beats the iPod family in like everything and is quite cheap.. (especially bought from china ^^)
13:45:13aeraand the firmware.. well, great for a chinese one.. but i have reasons to ask for rockbox
13:48:10aerawell, i got to be going.. cya
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14:06:29aliaskI'd like to talk to someone who might know about a potential IP/copyright issue
14:07:24merbanancontact a lawyer
14:07:37aliaskWell, it's not that serious...
14:07:54aliaskIt's in regards to contributing to rb source
14:08:25n1sis it already an issue? or will it potentially be one?
14:08:35aliaskPotentially
14:08:54aliaskSee, I have a datasheet which I obtained from a webserver which was left slightly open
14:09:05aliaskBut it usually wouldn't have been available.
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14:10:33BigBambialiask: run it past Bagder as a first port of call, but I suspect you won't be able to use it
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14:12:45n1saliask: I'd say that you could'nt redistribute it but may be able to use it though IANAL...
14:13:14n1sbut i think talking to bagder is the best idea before you do anything
14:13:29aliaskYes, I thought I'd run it by someone before writing the driver.
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14:36:41*XavierGr is impatient for a working devocn webcam!
14:36:48XavierGrCoole Devcon day today indeed
14:36:51XavierGr-e
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16:09:10kkurbjunmarkun, what's your feeling on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6920
16:09:59kkurbjunI really like it personally, it does make navigation much easier with one hand/not having to try and get to the side buttons
16:11:05aliaskI was actually just looking at the gigabeat keymap and thought that this was a very strange way to have it.
16:11:16CelticSoulguys, beside audacity and sonic-visualiser, is there any app to view frequency spectrum of and audio file for linux?
16:13:24kkurbjunaliask, yes, I don't really like having A as the file browser, center cross is much nicer
16:13:44kkurbjunit really makes it so you have to twist your hands around to go straight to the file browser
16:13:52aliaskDoes the gigabeat F/X have a dedicated play button on the side? (Like the S)
16:13:59Lloreankkurbjun: The most recent version of that patch messes up the current keymap though
16:14:18Lloreankkurbjun: The ONLY change (IMHO) should be that in the WPS, "Select" goes back to the filetree, and "A" pauses.
16:14:33LloreanIt changes several other things too, which I feel shouldn't be changed.
16:14:45kkurbjunno play button on the side
16:14:57Lloreanaliask: No. The "A" button should mimic the behaviour of the "Play" button on other players, imho
16:15:04kkurbjunllorean, I only really care about select as filetree as well
16:15:16kkurbjunthe rest should match other players
16:15:26Lloreankkurbjun: Well, the most recent patch undoes some of the effort to match other Rockboxes.
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16:16:35kkurbjunand I don't remember what the others are off hand, ok, I didn't realize that, I was mainly using the menu key and the arrows before because of the select oddity
16:17:05BigBambiHi chaps: I can easily change 6920 to do what Llorean says - the only reason I changed it more was as I didn't think it would be included
16:17:09LloreanBasically, as far as I can tell, the only "problem" relative to other Rockboxes is the wrong keymappings in the WPS.
16:17:25kkurbjunwell, I agree with the select and a change then, that's only in the WPS correct?
16:17:29kkurbjunok, that works
16:17:41BigBambiLlorean: agreed
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16:18:15BigBambiIn answer to your comments, I changed it more because I only just prefer it that way, and there din't seem to be the desire to commit
16:18:32BigBambibut if there is a commit chance, I'll pop one up that only changes A and select in WPS
16:18:36BigBambiwhat do you think?
16:18:45LloreanBigBambi: You should never put things you don't expect to be committed in the tracker. It specifically exists for things you're attempting to get committed. :)
16:18:51kkurbjunI would like to fix at least the a and select, and I would be willing to commit it
16:19:11BigBambiI put it there beacuse I thought others might prefer it too
16:19:21kkurbjunas long as markun does not ahve a strong opinion against it
16:19:22BigBambikkurbjun: OK, new one coming up
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16:19:45kkurbjunbigbambi, great, thanks
16:20:13LloreanThe trick is, if you're making a patch that you don't want/expect to be included, it'll just get rejected and removed.
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16:20:35LloreanPatches do get rejected if they're deemed unsuitable, and nobody's going to fix them up. :)
16:20:53BigBambiI undestand - I did want it committed, but just thought the chances were low
16:20:57kkurbjunI'll wait till after work before actually doing a commit, I want to give time for any strong objections.
16:21:03BigBambiBack in one mo - reboot into Linux
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16:21:45aliaskReinstalling windows XP to work on the gigabeat s has reminded me how much I dislike that OS.
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16:25:27BigBambiThat took long enough
16:25:33BigBambiI'll do the patch in a mo
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16:26:26btdubsaliask: the libmtp in linux allegedly has support for the gigabeat S
16:26:39btdubs...according tot libmtp's website
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16:27:04aliaskBut I can't use the firmware updater
16:27:06btdubshowever, i think you need a recent version of it (ie the one in stock ubuntu is too outdated)
16:27:20btdubsOH.
16:27:30btdubshappy hacking =]
16:27:36aliask:)
16:28:26aliaskI just realised that a USB stack will be essential for the gigabeat - we can't really use the OF's one
16:28:34aliask*gigabeat s
16:29:08btdubsit doesn't have a hardware one?
16:29:26aliaskDon't think so.
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16:29:56btdubsinteresting. i thought the s shared quite a few components with the x/f
16:30:13aliaskNot really, they're pretty different internally.
16:30:30aliaskI'm not even sure if they share any of the main ICs
16:30:37btdubsdarn.
16:30:46btdubsa port has to be from scratch then?
16:31:12aliaskYes, but luckily the CPU handles many many functions, and has a very extensive datasheet available
16:31:28btdubsso it should theoretically be easier to do than the F/X?
16:31:50aliaskI don't know how hard/easy it will be, time will tell.
16:32:06btdubswell i meant less guess work
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16:33:46BigBambiLlorean: what is your opinion about the remote? Currently, play/pause acts as select - I think it ought to act as A, with mute as menu
16:33:54*amiconn says hello from devcon2007 :-)
16:33:55moosamiconn.se :)
16:34:00moosyeah
16:35:26aliaskStill no webcam :(
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16:35:28moosamiconn: who are already arrived?
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16:36:36bluebrotherhello to devcon2007!
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16:42:40amiconnlnn, or what?
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16:43:49BigBambiLlorean, kkurbjun: New one up. Let me know if you agree/disagree about the remote. I think the recent SVN changes didn't also change the remote, so I have done.
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16:45:08BigBambiI think the play/pause button on the remote is better acting as A, as if you have the main unit in your pocket it is more useful to pause/resume playback than act as select. If it were select you would need to get the unit out of your pocket to see the screen anyway unless you had your filetree really well memorised
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16:47:31LloreanBigBambi: What does the "Mute" button on the remote currently do
16:47:32Llorean?
16:47:47LloreanI agree that the one labelled Play/Pause should be identical to A, at least on a short press.
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16:48:02BigBambiLlorean: mute is currently menu
16:48:09LloreanThat works, then
16:48:13BigBambicool
16:48:21LloreanSince from there you can go to the filetree.
16:48:26BigBambiyep
16:48:50BigBambiSo all I've done is swap A and Select in WPS, and make play/pause on the remote act like A not select
16:48:58LloreanI'm happy with it.
16:49:18BigBambiAce. Fingers crossed no-one disagrees vehemently!
16:49:21LloreanYeah
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16:57:17BigBambiUgh, meeting time. Later all
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17:09:18pirokoOut of curiosity, what exactly causes the ipod's firmware to be able to conserve so much more battery life other than codec optimisations?
17:10:29Domonokyit probably disables some chip or circuit, which we dont know how to disable..
17:10:53Domonokyor dont know that is exists, no docs for the CPU in the ipods
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17:29:31DerPapstHej
17:30:03n1shejhej
17:30:38DerPapsti just receved my 2nd 3G iPod :-D
17:30:49DerPapstnow i can fix mine
17:30:52DerPapstfinally
17:31:42DerPapstthe hdd is still working and i got 2136 songs for free :P
17:32:04*DerPapst backups iPod_Control
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17:33:14*piroko sings the "You are a pirate!" song from Lazytown
17:36:57DerPapstThey were just on the hdd to test the iPod.
17:37:05*DerPapst coughs
17:37:16*bluebrother discovers some more "happened already" entries on the devcon page but no webcam yet
17:37:41bluebrotherover 2000 songs to test an ipod? Aha.
17:37:44DerPapstjepp. broken image
17:37:54DerPapst:P
17:38:20DerPapsthe said in the description on ebay that the ipod doesn't boot anymore.
17:38:35bluebrotheralready fixed? ;-)
17:38:36DerPapstwell... that's not true.
17:38:42DerPapstit boots.
17:38:58bluebrotherbroken ipods are still quite expensive on ebay
17:39:03DerPapstbut it's heavily scratched
17:39:08bluebrotherat least they were the last time I lookes
17:39:16DerPapstthis one was under 40Euro
17:39:39DerPapstand to fix my headphone jack i would have to pay 70
17:39:47DerPapstso a good deal.
17:40:05DerPapstand i can replace my semibroken mobo as well :)
17:40:12bluebrotherif you can solder I guess fixing the headphone jack would be cheaper
17:40:41DerPapstit'S a stupid ribbon cable
17:40:44bluebrotherbut I never tried ;-)
17:41:03bluebrotherah, those things. Bad when they are broken
17:41:17DerPapsti tried to solder it but it didn't work.
17:41:21DerPapstyepp.
17:43:28DerPapstheh.. they wanted to have a 3G on devcon and i have 2 ^^
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18:21:12webguest09My computer wont detect my sansa? what shoukld i do
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18:22:26desowinbe careful and check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
18:22:52pixelmawebguest09: do you run rockbox while trying to connect?
18:23:01bluebrotheryou need to boot into the sansa firmware to get a usb connection
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18:24:07webguest09no it runs automatically everytime i turn it on
18:24:11webguest09and it has a -1 error
18:24:30webguest09so the normal firmware doesnt get detected
18:24:50LloreanTurn off the sansa
18:24:53LloreanPlug in USB while it's turned off
18:25:15webguest09its still doesnt get detected
18:25:25webguest09and the -1 error still display
18:25:40LloreanYou didn't use the official installer did you?
18:25:46LloreanYou can't get the -1 error if you installed the official way.
18:25:52LloreanNot while trying to boot the original firmware, at least
18:26:10webguest09Never mind
18:26:27webguest09i installed rockbox while it was still in build
18:26:35webguest09it was never officials and thats what messes it up
18:26:49webguest09but i returned it back to circuit city
18:27:01webguest09i was just wondering what might be wrong
18:27:12LloreanWell -1 means you didn't follow all the install directions properly
18:27:18LloreanIt means that "Rockbox.mi4 wasn't found"
18:27:32webguest09oh
18:27:49webguest09are you guys going to make rockbox for nano second gn
18:27:53webguest09gen*
18:28:09LloreanTargets aren't really planned
18:28:15LloreanSomeone with a second gen nano would have to work on it
18:28:44webguest09Can you tell someone t work on it
18:28:56webguest09i will pay you $25
18:29:10LloreanHahaha
18:29:29Llorean$25 doesn't magically make people have time, or an interest, and porting is hard work.
18:29:34LloreanSomeone has to already be interested in it
18:29:34desowinsuch price for porting is silly
18:29:36bluebrotherfinding out how to run custom code on the nano for $25?
18:29:47LloreanYou're better off learning how to program yourself, and working on it.
18:29:57webguest09$1000 dollars
18:30:00webguest09fine
18:30:11bluebrotherthe nano 2G is much more work than just a couple of hours
18:30:40bluebrothermoney won't attract devs. Development is done for fun, not for money
18:30:58webguest09oh
18:31:07webguest09then tell someone to do it for fun
18:31:11webguest09or maybe one of you can
18:31:16bluebrotherthat's the way open source works. At least, the majority of it.
18:31:17Lloreanwebguest09: Do it for fun.
18:31:19*Llorean wonders if it worked.
18:31:31webguest09i dont know how to
18:31:36webguest09im rockbox dumb
18:31:48bluebrotherthat doesn't imply you can't change that.
18:31:54webguest09if u help me out i will be able to
18:31:58desowindon't require anyone to work atleast
18:32:18webguest09ok
18:32:21webguest09fine
18:32:27webguest09i just hope someone does it for fun
18:32:33webguest09i would really appreciate it
18:32:37webguest09thnx
18:32:41desowinmany people would
18:32:46bluebrotherif you want to seriously work on Rockbox you'll find helpful people in here.
18:33:25bluebrotherone of the big problems with the 2G is that everything is encrypted. Someone needs to find out how to run custom code, and in that case it's quite hard.
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18:35:59webguest91what does it mean to be encrypted?
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18:37:41desowin"In cryptography, encryption is the process of transforming information to make it unreadable to anyone except those posessing special knowledge, usually referred to as a key."
18:38:24webguest91oh that sucks
18:38:35webguest91then you have to ask apple how to do it
18:38:51desowins/ask apple/crack it/
18:39:34webguest91i doubt they would want to let u mess with it
18:39:42webguest09u ask for me and everyone who want rockbox for second gen ipod nano
18:39:43webguest09please
18:39:48webguest91right?
18:39:52webguest09pretty please witha cherry on top
18:39:56desowinif you believe they'll give you any info - you're wrong
18:40:05webguest09hi aaron
18:40:06webguest09wats up
18:40:27webguest91my brother has a second gen and i have a 30g video
18:40:31desowinkeep talk rockbox related
18:40:40webguest91he is really jealous cause i have rockbox and he doesnt
18:40:42webguest09ok
18:40:44webguest09im sorry
18:40:53webguest09releate
18:40:54webguest09i will keep talk rockbox
18:40:57webguest09d
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18:56:28DerPapstweee.. the webcam is up :-D
18:57:11DerPapsthi guys 'n girls
18:57:15*DerPapst waves
18:57:21Bagdera bit empty there still
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19:00:58DerPapstah.. that is going to become better ;)
19:01:17XavierGrw00t webcam is on! Hi gals/gyus.
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19:01:46Lars_GI hope you guys can give me a quick hand
19:01:46DerPapsthow often does it update?
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19:02:02BagderDerPapst: not at all it looks like right now
19:02:03DerPapstno sorry. quick hands are empty
19:02:19XavierGryeah I don't see it updating
19:02:33Lars_Gmy ipod nano rocbox install has troubles, I reinstalled yesterday, since the itunes forced me to reformat it, and I used the nano partition image to convert the part table to fat32 (in case it matters)
19:02:44Lars_Gcompiled a svn pull of yesterday and installed
19:03:07Lars_Gnow, rockbox runs, and I could unzip files in the ipod, but rockbox itself can't write to the disk/flash
19:03:11DerPapstBagder: the image hasn't been updated since 7 minutes or so.. that's why i wondered.
19:03:43Lars_Gif i save a config, it says "saved" but if I reset it is not saved. if I save a config (and the file is created) then I can't save any more configs after first write, it says failed
19:03:54badsheepywhy did itunes force you to format it?
19:04:17badsheepyim sure thats not supposed to happen
19:04:19Lars_Gand if I initialize the database, it can't save configs (failed) and I can't browse files anymore
19:04:46Lars_Gif I interactively initialize the database, it reads all the files, and hangs there, I guess it can't write
19:04:51Lars_Gthe question is... why?
19:04:57DerPapsthave you also formatted /dev/sdX2 then?
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19:05:18DerPapstor only dd'ed the new mbr to your pod?
19:05:20Lars_Gbadsheepy: suddenly all itunes started reporting the ipod was corrupted and the lists said the easiest route was to restore the ipod.
19:05:29LloreanSo, perhaps the flash is bad
19:05:33Lars_GDerPapst: yes I formated the sda2 partition
19:05:41LloreaniTunes reports it's corrupted, and Rockbox has problems writing to it
19:05:47LloreanThis does seem to suggest hardware failure of some sort
19:05:59DerPapstthen i dunno. maybe Llorean is right
19:06:06Lars_GLlorean: see, thing is when itunes reported it corrup rockbox still could work perfectly
19:06:16Lars_GI reset it only to be able to drag songs from itunes
19:06:33LloreanSo?
19:06:48Lars_Gthe flash also seems ok since after reiniting it I installed lots of songs on it via amarok yesterday and they're playing perfectly in rockbox
19:06:54XavierGrkkurbjun: I agree with that buttons change too, because most of the targets follow a similar patter in the center button
19:06:57DerPapstdoes the apple_fw have problems to?
19:07:04Lars_Gthe trouble only ocurrs when rockbox tries to write.
19:07:06LloreanLars_G: Have you done any sort of filesystem check
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19:07:12Lars_GDerPapst: no the apple fw works
19:07:25XavierGrkkurbjun: though markun is opposed to that idea, so I don't think he will welcome that commit
19:07:31Lars_Gno, let me fsck it
19:07:36DerPapstso it can read (and write)?
19:08:06moosXavierGr: hi, I'm not sure about this, markun isn't a disctator ;P
19:08:14moosdictator even
19:08:57Lars_Gsigh
19:09:08Lars_Ghow was the test mode started on a nano?
19:09:10XavierGrwell last time Llorean and me suggested that it should have been changed but markun was a little hesitant about it (I can understand his hesitation though if he is very used to that button)
19:09:45Lars_Gnvmk
19:10:24XavierGrbut it quite confusing I think, I have 4 rockbox targets and all of them except the gigabeat have the center button go to file browser (while in WPS).
19:10:33moosXavierGr: like always, we don't care at all about OFs behaviours, and that is the only point IIRC then I assume markun will folow the majority (markun: hey ;)
19:10:34Lars_GDerPapst: ok, Apple FW can read, but can't write either
19:11:15DerPapsthow have you formatted your iPod?
19:11:26moosXavierGr: I'm all for the coherence too
19:11:28XavierGrmoos: I don't know if the current mapping has anything to do with OF
19:11:39Lars_Gmkfs.msdos -F 32 -n "xxx" /dev/sda2
19:11:46XavierGrpoor markun he must be around an airport atm :P
19:11:47moosthat was the main point if I remenber correct
19:11:57mooshehe indeed :)
19:12:03DerPapstwhat does -n do?
19:12:20Lars_GDerPapst: sets volume name (wich becomes the ipod's name)
19:12:30DerPapstah. k
19:12:59moosXavierGr: the current GB mapping is one of the points that made me still using my iaudio daily
19:13:33moosthe other main point is the insuficent HD (40 GB for now)
19:13:37XavierGrwell yes it can be confusing (not so much from keeping me from using it though)
19:13:41DerPapstLars_G: and if you add -S 512 just to make sure?
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19:14:33Lars_Gand lose all again
19:14:35moosXavierGr: 2 differents ways for do the same thing isn't very KISS for my taste
19:15:07moosthat's a bit a taste of keys imho
19:15:20DerPapstLars_G: otherwise i'm out of ideas.
19:15:29*moos is thinking to his iaudio and ondio with a lack of buttons
19:15:30XavierGras I said, I agree with the change, I will welcome it for sure
19:15:35toffe82who is who on the webcam picture ?
19:15:49XavierGrbagder, amiconn and pixelma I guess
19:15:50moosLinus in first point
19:16:01XavierGrlinus
19:16:04Lars_GI'll fsck, otherwise I'll reinit it on a windows machine if I can get a friend to loan me a windows machine
19:16:09XavierGryeah sorry Linus :P
19:16:25mooshehe :)
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19:16:40moosnot that Linus and bagder looks the same ;P
19:16:42Lars_Gor init it in hfs and shoot myself
19:17:00DerPapsthehe
19:17:02XavierGrwhere is bagder btw?
19:17:11amiconnNot yet here
19:17:14DerPapsthere in irc :P
19:17:45Lars_Gand the snake?
19:17:49Lars_Gwhere's the snake?
19:17:49mooshehe still the same pic :)
19:18:20XavierGrso, any devcon hacks or confernces yet?
19:18:33DerPapstawww.. this semi broken 3G is giving me a headace.
19:18:43moosisn't officially starting tommorow?
19:18:48XavierGr(I guess conspiracy conferences will have to wait until all of the gang is there)
19:18:54mooshehe :)
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19:22:55Lars_Gfuck this, I'll reformat it as apple again and then as windows tonight
19:24:06DerPapstrestore it in wondows.
19:24:16DerPapstit's easier :P
19:25:18Lars_Gif you have it
19:25:22Lars_Gwondows that is
19:25:31*pixelma bets that restoring it in wondows would be harder...
19:25:40pixelmatoo slow
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19:26:40DerPapstwell. but then he doesn'T have to dd a new mbr to the iPod and fromwat it again.
19:26:50DerPapst*format
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19:29:00toffe82are they in the fourth dimension :) they don't move so much
19:30:26Domonokysomeone on the Devcon should kick the Webcam :-)
19:31:14LloreanIf the diagnostic mode couldn't write to the flash, I kinda doubt anything he can do will improve matters
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19:31:23DerPapstLinus is typing for hours in the same position :P
19:31:34LinusN:-)
19:31:57*Soap suspects a plot.
19:32:20pearldiverlol
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19:37:50toffe82I think they just lock the camera because they are behind the wall drinking beer ;)
19:37:54bluebrothernice. me has now the webcam picture in a window without toolbars or borders
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19:38:36DerPapstwheee
19:38:36pixelmatoffe82: exactly ;)
19:38:46amiconntoffe82: petur didn't arrive with the beer yet...
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19:39:16DerPapstbut i bet there are stores where you can buy beer as well
19:39:32n1sDerPapst: not at this hour in sweden
19:39:40DerPapstmhh. true
19:39:47bluebrotherBagder: care to add a link like this to the devcon page? I find it very nice ... <a href='javascript:void(0)' onclick='open("http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/webcam.html","private","scrollbars=0,toolbar=0,resizeable=0,width=660,height=500")'>click here to open webcam window</a>
19:39:52artistanquick question, i'm trying to understand the rockbox source code to play with it, where exactly is the entry point in the firmware?
19:39:54LloreanEither the Sansa needs a lot more shielding than it has, or I think we're doing something wrong.
19:40:08LloreanThere's a ridiculous amount of noise when the backlight is on, and when buffering.
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19:41:41DerPapstaren't there any petrol stations where you can still buy stuff? i still have about 18 minutes to buy something :P
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19:43:13CassandraHello from Devcon
19:43:23bluebrotherDerPapst, 17 minutes? The local supermarket here closes at 21h
19:43:33bluebrotherhej to devcon :)
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19:55:10toolmanwillhey dont you guys move?? your frozen in time, lol
19:55:59bluebrotherno, we never move
19:56:22bluebrotherthe one moving first looses. You lost :p
19:56:40toolmanwillhahahahaha
19:57:04bluebrotherso, any way to help you except explaining the movement rules?
19:57:49toolmanwillnope am here to check out 2nd anual devcon
19:58:02bluebrotherhey, another picture from the webcam :)
19:58:18toolmanwillahh theres movement
19:58:35toolmanwilland magically another person appears
19:58:47bluebrotherhehe. The magic of open source :)
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19:59:45toolmanwillits so cool you guys do this. long live rockbox!!!
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20:02:51toffe82hey they moved :)
20:03:08CassandraI promise I'm not actually asleep. I think the webcam is at a weird angle.
20:03:18bluebrothertoffe82, notices Cassandra magically appearing?
20:04:01DerPapsta new picture :Dw
20:04:29DerPapst-w
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20:07:01CassandraLinus says we're four people sitting staring at a webcam of ourselves. Aren't we having a god time!
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20:07:41*leftright waves at the ladies and gents
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20:08:49leftrightthis feels a bit like stalking, one way webcam
20:09:03bluebrothersomeone record golden quotes so we can distribute it as first-play-tracks with rockbox ;-)
20:09:52Cassandrapixelma jjust pointed out that all the women involved in rockbox are now at Devcon.
20:10:02CassandraOn that note, I'm off to get coffee.
20:10:25leftrightheh, outstanding, you should make the guys fetch and carry
20:10:30toolmanwilllol
20:10:50LloreanIf the user ratio holds to the developer ratio, that means we should have about 60 developers.
20:11:35LloreanAt least according to the forum software, there's a 30:1 ratio of guys to girls (who've registered and admitted to their gender)
20:13:01bluebrotherhttp://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/svn/ indicates 75 developers
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20:14:17CassandraMy long term goal is to make Rockbox so mainstream more women will use it.
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20:14:38leftrightputting a mirror on all DAP's
20:14:42Juice^just make a pink theme ..
20:14:54CassandraBut I still don't think we'll get many developers. Nearly every company I've worked for I've been the only female techy.
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20:15:07CassandraI f***ing hate pink.
20:15:13CassandraMaybe I'm not a real girl.
20:15:13*bluebrother once saw a mobile phone which was indeed a mirror rather than a phone
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20:15:40leftrightthats why the pods have a shiny chrome finish, for the ladies
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20:16:02LloreanMost of the girls I know would prefer to use Rockbox, if they had players that supported it
20:16:09bluebrotherbut why did apple remove that on the 2G nano?
20:16:13LloreanHeck, my mother even wanted to purchase a Gigabeat to replace her iPod 5G
20:16:31leftrightwell, drag and drop is way simpler than itunes, methinks..
20:16:34CassandraI have to confess to having used my iPod as a mirror now and then.
20:16:47CassandraGuess my gender is safe after all.
20:16:51*pixelma is with Cassandra on pink...
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20:17:23LloreanSpeaking of Themes
20:17:31CassandraWere we?
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20:17:45LloreanWell, someone mentioned a pink one
20:17:49leftrightpaul has an active imagination
20:18:09bluebrotherhmm. How about a pink theme for a greyscale target? :P
20:18:10LloreanHas anyone tried that theme that Denny was offering as an option for Default?
20:18:25toffe82perhaps you could make a devcon theme :)
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20:18:41CassandraWith webcam images?
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20:18:50toffe82why not
20:18:56leftrightheh, wait hours for it to boot
20:18:56bluebrothersounds cool. Like the truman show poster
20:19:01CassandraBecause it's a really terrible idea.
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20:19:33toffe82or with a bottle of beer
20:19:40bluebrotherbut definitely not suited for a theme
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20:20:31bluebrotherbut speaking of danny: I looked at the theme, but (as most themes) the greyscale version looks poor compared to the colored IMO
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20:20:38bluebrotherand as I don't have any color targets ...
20:20:40CassandraLlorean: BTW, why is boxes unsuitable as a default theme - does everyone hate it, or is it just that it's a bit out of date?
20:21:02Cassandra(I don't have an axe to grind - I just wonder if it's worth fixing properly or not.)
20:21:09LloreanCassandra: It wasn't really discussed, because it was out of date / not all targets.
20:21:29LloreanI personally rather liked Boxes, but the only ones discussed were ROCKBoxed and iAmp, if I recall, because they had versions for all screens.
20:22:10bluebrotherI also guess most people will prefer a proportional font
20:22:31LloreanWell Boxes works with any 8-high font, right?
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20:27:28XavierGrlol cassandra, only to think that I've mapped your nick with colour pink on my irc script. (as I have mapped many major rockbox developers with various colours, it seems you got the lucky pink :P)
20:29:00pixelmaLlorean: should be iCatcher not iAmp, right?
20:29:11Cassandrallorean: right
20:29:22Lloreanpixelma: Right
20:29:23LloreaniCatcher
20:29:35*Llorean can't keep themes straight.
20:29:37CassandraAlthough I think I used a larger one on the H3xx.
20:30:16CassandraI'm going to forgive you by claiming it's purple.
20:30:34LloreanPurple is a find, upstanding color.
20:30:36Lloreanfine
20:30:41*Llorean sighs and gives up on typing straight.
20:31:04leftrightpurple is the colour of royality in thailand
20:31:36LloreanIt's royalty in many places.
20:31:36Cassandra(see the web cam)
20:31:45*DerPapst spots a pink iPod (?) in cassandras hand
20:31:45*leftright is loaded with useless info
20:31:59LloreanIn the old days proper purple dye was vastly more expensive, so royalty and nobility were often the only ones who could afford it.
20:31:59CassandraIt's *purple*!
20:32:02leftrightheh, way to go your highness
20:32:06*DerPapst hides
20:32:36LloreanAll of my MP3 players are silver, black, or a combination of the two, with th exception of the Arhcos
20:32:38leftrightyour wish is my command
20:33:20XavierGrehm, who is the man with the beard again?
20:34:30pixelmait's markun or LinusN (with the smaller beard ;) )
20:34:46XavierGrah markun arrived?
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20:34:57*markun has a blue rockbox shirt and beard
20:35:04XavierGrHello markun!
20:35:06bluebrotheroh. I wondered about that too, but the website states markun arrives later ...
20:35:10XavierGrnice to see you on Devcon
20:35:11CassandraA blue beard!
20:35:25pearldiverlol
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20:35:34LinusNok ok i shaved this morning
20:35:46leftrightyou guys really dont have to pretend to be busy for us, really :->
20:35:51CassandraI didn't/
20:36:17bluebrotherhmm. How much is the lag of the webcam?
20:37:24benanneHello everyone, I've been using Rockbox on my ipod nano for quite some time now, and I thought it'd be interesting to update it sometime... seeing as I seem to recall I have an alpha version on there right now.. at least a year old.
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20:37:58benanneI'm trying to decide whats the best way to go about this... would it make sense to restore it in its original condition (apple firmware) first? Or can I just replace some files and be done with it?
20:38:37bluebrotherbenanne, update the bootloader using ipodpatcher and unzipping a current build should be sufficient
20:38:37n1sbenanne: you would also have to update the bootloader
20:38:53benanneokay, I'll see where that gets me, thanks :)
20:38:54DerPapstyou have to install a newer bootloader and replace .rockbox
20:39:05benannealright :)
20:39:08bluebrotherbut installing the bootloader got a lot easier since a year ago
20:39:14benanneoh, great
20:39:16benanneI'll scour the manual
20:39:26bluebrotheryou can just install it again, it will update automatically
20:39:29XavierGrhave to run, happy hacking...
20:39:33bluebrother(the bootloader that is)
20:39:44benanneso I just follow the steps in the manual then :)
20:39:47Sivart0hello everybody :P
20:39:52bluebrotheryup.
20:39:58benannealright, great. Thanks!
20:42:15moosmarkun: convert amiconn to gigabeats ; )
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20:45:01pixelmamoos: forget it...
20:45:21Genre9mp3Hi all!
20:45:39moospixelma: I know that was a joke :)
20:45:49mooshello Genre9mp3!
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20:46:45Genre9mp3I've made it! I'm out while the Devcon is in place :)
20:47:05toffe82markun: take the order, I will provide them ;)
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20:47:18moosGenre9mp3: welcome back
20:47:44*Genre9mp3 greets all the DevCon participants!
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21:00:26Domonokyei, a new face on devcon.. :-)
21:00:34Domonokyhas the beer arrived ? :-)
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21:01:10amiconnnope
21:01:23LinusNwhy are averyone asking about the beer?
21:01:35amiconnBecause it's a trigger word...
21:01:39LinusNare we that boring?
21:01:45Domonokyhehe
21:02:02a1titudehi, I know this is going to sound wierd, but I'm intrested in learning C, can anyone point me in the right direction?
21:02:20*leftright points to books
21:02:47gotthardta1titude: http://www.nongnu.org/c-prog-book/online/index.html
21:03:55gotthardta1titude: and then write the game of tetris... that should get you going
21:03:57toolmanwillha, was gonna ask about the beer earlier
21:04:02toolmanwillthought it was too early tho
21:04:22a1titudeha, thank you
21:05:09gotthardta1titude: no kidding - writing a game will make you learn, and the graphic output gives instant feedback on mistakes - good luck!
21:05:12a1titudeso linux then... I've used Ubuntu Before, but it seemed kinda bloated... And recomendations on one?
21:05:31toolmanwillquite a collection on DAP's on those tables :D
21:05:52toolmanwill*of
21:06:00gotthardta1titude: ubunutu is good - arch is good - use xubuntu for lightweight
21:06:02bluebrothera1titude, that's quite a different question −− too much opinions out there. Personally I prefer fedora
21:06:27Genre9mp3lot of DAPs on Linus desk....me jealous
21:06:28a1titudeha, thanks I have VMWare, so I guess I have freedom to experement
21:06:39badsheepyfor small things, i like debian net installs
21:06:39Galoisat the risk of starting a flamewar, I think any aspiring developer should really be using fedora or gentoo
21:06:50badsheepygentoo is a gimmick os :P
21:07:02*bluebrother notices a flamewar trigger :p
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21:07:11a1titudegentoo looks really good, just the 20 hour and such setup haha :p
21:07:15Domonokyyou can even develop rockbox on windows, so OS dont count here :-)
21:07:22webguest01How do i get all the good font that are on word onto rockbox on my ipod?
21:07:36bluebrotherword? What is that?
21:07:44bluebrother*g*
21:08:22webguest01on microsoft word
21:08:25webguest01sorry about that
21:08:34webguest01i meant the fonts that are on microsoft word
21:08:38*bluebrother sighs
21:08:44benanneyay, the new version is installed :)
21:08:53bluebrotheryou mean the true type fonts that are available on windows
21:08:54benannenow I need to reinstall the skin
21:09:05webguest01bluebrother: yes
21:09:17Galoisa bleeding edge system is essential for a developer, especially a developer who is in it for the learning
21:09:20bluebrotherthere's a converter in the forums, just search for it. But it will most likely not look good because of interpolation
21:09:36bluebrotherRockbox uses bitmap fonts while ttf is a vector format
21:09:42webguest01then where do i get the fonts from rockbox?
21:09:53a1titudeha
21:09:56bluebrotheryou installed the fonts package, did you?
21:10:24pearldiveri see naked markun
21:10:24bluebrotheroh, shirt switching time?
21:10:30markunoooh!
21:10:34markun;)
21:10:42markunyes, baby blue is so pase
21:11:21webguest01yes i have installed the fonts package
21:11:29a1titudeWhats a bleeding edge system?
21:11:39bluebrothersomething that hurts using ;-)
21:12:06bluebrother"bleeding edge" usually refers to a system with all packages being up-to-date, if not even newer.
21:12:24amiconnRockbox shirt upgrade completed ;)
21:12:29badsheepyid completely disagree
21:12:45badsheepya bleeding edge system means binutils breaks for no reason and you have no idea why for 13 months
21:12:52LinusNwe have bleeding edge shirts
21:12:54bluebrother*g*
21:13:36toolmanwilllol
21:13:38Galoistoo much of a bleeding edge is bad even for a learning environment. Gentoo is arguably heading in that direction.
21:13:39a1titudeha
21:13:55GaloisLinux From Scratch is definitely too much of a bleeding edge and for that reason I would not recommend it
21:14:31markunmoos: I'll do my best :)
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21:15:22toffe82what is there in the mugs, beer or not yet ;)
21:15:31toolmanwillonly coffee so far
21:15:31DerPapst^^
21:15:41bluebrotherisn't the beer still travelling? ;-)
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21:16:03toolmanwilllol its till in transity
21:16:07toolmanwilloops transit
21:16:18webguest02The fonts that i got from the package are very wierd
21:16:32webguest02they are called like nimbus and other wierd ones like that
21:16:37webguest02how do i get the better ones
21:16:40a1titudeThanks everyone, you've been a big help, now to start testing linux distros in vmware! haha
21:16:49DerPapstmake them yourself?
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21:16:55webguest02do they come with the theme
21:17:08Topic"no - the beer hasn't arrived yet" by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
21:17:44DerPapsthaha
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21:18:25bluebrotherwebguest02, define "better". The fonts might have weird names in your opinion, but that doesn't imply they look bad.
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21:18:42*dan_a realises why he isn't at Devcon!
21:18:43bluebrotherin fact. simiply converting vector fonts will look worse
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21:19:06bluebrotherdan_a: because of the beer? Or the shirts?
21:19:17bluebrother;)
21:19:26toolmanwillfuck all three, beer shirts and that nifty mug
21:19:46dan_abluebrother: No beer there yet :D
21:19:54bluebrotherhehe
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21:20:15bluebrotheroh, fontguest left.
21:20:21pearldiveri dont see any gigabeats on the tables
21:20:24toolmanwilllol
21:20:53pixelmapearldiver: look closer
21:21:33pearldiveroh there's one, at least it looks like a gigabeat
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21:21:38markunpearldiver: I hold mine up
21:21:52pearldiverhaha
21:21:53pearldiversee it
21:22:01gotthardtmarkun: has one!
21:22:04pixelmaLinusN also got one
21:22:04pearldiverit glows lol
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21:23:32desowinwill you publish best shots from webcam ?
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21:26:04CassandraAnd in the latest Devcon news. Still no beer.
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21:26:35webguest49can someone please assist me on how to load the ipod linux boot loader
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21:27:59desowinwebguest49: ipodlinux bootloader isn't supported by rockbox, try #ipodlinux
21:28:12obo_any news on the e200 radio support?
21:28:18bluebrotherwebguest49, you can load IPL using the Rockbox bootloader
21:28:22webguest49yes it is supported
21:29:11bluebrotherno: Loader2 supports loading Rockbox. Loader2 isn't supported by Rockbox
21:29:14dan_aobo_: I'm going to have a play with the SD card and the radio tonight
21:29:40obo_dan_a I heard that it's usable, just not loud enough?
21:29:54chrisjs169obo_: I believe that's about right
21:30:06dan_aobo_: I thought that the volume problem had been solved, but the tuning wasn't accurate
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21:30:18webguest49with the loader 2 i can select when first turing on the ipod what i want to run, the apple version or the rockbox version rite
21:30:24dan_aBut I've not been keeping up with Rockbox lately
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21:30:46bluebrotheryou can do that with the rockbox bootloader too, you only won't get a nice graphical screen
21:30:49obo_dan_a : is that issue specific to the radio, or the entire DAC?
21:31:02bluebrotherbut again, Loader2 isn't supported here −− it's IPL software, not Rockbox
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21:32:03webguest49i downloaded the rockbox boot loader but doesnt work
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21:32:20webguest49in order to go to the regular apple version i have to keep the hold on while turing on the ipod
21:32:30dan_aobo: As I understand it, the radio was a lot quieter than the other audio
21:32:37n1swebguest49: that's how it's supposed to work
21:32:43obodan_a: wrong obo :(
21:32:52webguest49so that is what the boot loader does
21:33:13bluebrotherwebguest49, "doesn't work" is quite a bad description.
21:34:14bluebrotheras I said, there is no graphical chooser.
21:34:41bluebrotherand for loading IPL using the Rockbox bootloader you need to set it up properly −− it won't work out of the box
21:34:50DerPapstwebguest49: if you want loader 2 make sure you are using the latest version (2.5). Otherwise you might not be able to start rockbox.
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21:50:57BigMacHey it says I need SDL for making the simulator, but I can't install it through sudo apt-get install SDL
21:51:03BigMacwhat should I be typing
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21:52:48*alberink congratulates the developers on another DevCon. Have fun
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21:53:20*alberink can't wait, and therefore cracks open his beer already...
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21:54:57n1sBigMac: install libsdl1.2-dev
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21:56:13BigMacnls: ah thanks
21:56:38chrisjs169yay
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21:56:44*chrisjs169 is getting an RMA :)
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21:57:11webguest63How do i install rockboy onto rockbox?
21:57:13bluebrotherBigMac, apt-cache search <foo> is sometimes quite nice ;-)
21:57:20bluebrotherwebguest63, you don't install it.
21:57:27webguest63why
21:57:29bluebrotherrockboy comes shipped with a standard build
21:57:39bluebrotherit's a viewer. Just run a gameboy rom file
21:57:39webguest63then how do i put it on my ipod
21:57:43bluebrotherthe manual explains this.
21:57:48webguest63which manual
21:57:53bluebrotherthe rockbox manual
21:58:04webguest63for ipod video sinice i have an ipod video
21:58:08bluebrothertake a look at the left-side menu of the website
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21:58:48bluebrotherthere is a section labelled "documentation", and that has a link called "manual". Try following this link
21:59:11chrisjs169webguest63: all you need to do is find a gameboy rom, save it to your ipod and open the file in rockbox
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22:00:01webguest63oh ok
22:00:16bluebrotherfollow the blue link :)
22:00:49bluebrotheras you found the irc link I bet this isn't hard to do.
22:01:27webguest63i went to a website called PDroms
22:01:31webguest63and they have gamboy games
22:01:37webguest63i just extract them to my ipod
22:01:41webguest63and it will work
22:01:56*dan_a wonders why "food" is in quotes on the Devcon page
22:03:00LloreanWell, I mean, I eat Taco Bell, but some people might hesitate to qualify it as just food, without the quotes to suggest there could be some argument
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22:03:45webguest63Its not working
22:03:52webguest63i put the game onto my ipod and it didnt work
22:03:53dan_aIt just sounds to me like LinusN and Christi have slipped out for... something other than food
22:04:13bluebrotherbeer?
22:04:18bluebrotherah, forgot the topic ;-)
22:04:36leftrightis there any chance of making the record button on the h1xx series do something usefull, i.e. quick access for playlist
22:04:39*dan_a pours himself another Stoli while waiting for Rockbox to compile
22:04:55pearldiverwhat's the machine on the front left (camera wise) table?
22:04:55Lloreanleftright: Well, it does need to do something, yes.
22:05:17webguest63Help me on Rockboy please
22:05:25leftrightactivating recording would also be nice
22:07:14dan_awebguest63: What have you done, and what happens?
22:07:16alberinkdan_a: prosit! Although I'll keep it to Grolsch
22:07:39webguest63i went to PDroms.com
22:07:50webguest63then i extracted the game onto my ipod
22:07:57webguest63and under files it says the games name
22:08:00webguest63but doesnt work
22:08:26bluebrotherplease refine "doesn't work". What exactly happens?
22:08:32dan_aWhat extension does the game have? IIRC, it should be something .gb
22:09:24webguest63its a GPE file
22:09:34webguest63actually
22:09:37 Part leftright
22:09:41webguest63where can i find roms from anyways
22:10:05desowinnot here for sure
22:10:14webguest63then
22:10:15webguest63where
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22:10:25bluebrotherask google
22:10:32bluebrotherwhat is gpe?
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22:10:43dan_awebguest63: GPE files appear to be for the GP2X
22:10:53webguest63oh
22:12:25alberinkan overview picture with a who's who on the webcam would be nice... :)
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22:13:13desowinmarkun is second from right at back from what I know
22:13:31AceNikhey anyone plays spider solitare on the computer, can v port it to rockbox
22:13:36bluebrotherwho's the guy with the wrong shirt?
22:13:37desowinlooking at webcam he's from left
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22:14:48desowindamn I stated it wrong
22:14:54Zagorit's not the wrong shirt, it's THE ORIGINAL :-)
22:15:10markundesowin: I should be in the middle now
22:15:11desowincurrently 3rd person looking from left is markun
22:15:31bluebrotherah :)
22:15:59desowinis amiconn at the right of you markun ?
22:16:10desowinI mean your left
22:16:19markunyes, my left
22:16:31markunsitting next to his sister
22:16:49alberinkThat's his sister?...
22:16:54bluebrotherok, from left to right it's Zagor, Bagder, markun, amiconn and pixelma
22:17:06*alberink always thought that amiconn and pixelma were a couple...
22:17:10bluebrotherand the front is Cassandra on the left, and LinusN on the right
22:17:13*Zagor runs around to confuse people
22:17:16*alberink hangs head in shame...
22:17:19bluebrothersomeone correct me if I'm wrong ;-)
22:17:25AceNikwhat pictures are these markun
22:17:28pixelmaalberink: wow...
22:17:38desowinZagor: heh, you have different shirt ;-)
22:17:39markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/webcam.html
22:17:55alberinkpixelma: sorry... :)
22:18:04*alberink assumes too much...
22:18:04AceNikdid it already happen ?
22:18:16markunAceNik: happening right now!
22:18:20AceNikoh ya i forot ul met up today
22:18:24alberinkto assume is to make an ass of u and me..
22:18:49desowinCassandra looks great when she has her face on monitor
22:18:52bluebrotheroh, a big face in the cam ...
22:18:59idnarand assumption makes an ass out of u and some poor guy called "mption"
22:19:32CassandraThanks, desowin. :)
22:19:58bluebrotherCassandra, is that thing in front of you a tablet pc?
22:20:10alberinkI was wondering the same...
22:20:21bluebrotherlooks a bit strange for a usual laptop
22:21:20pearldiver[16:04] <pearldiver> what's the machine on the front left (camera wise) table?
22:21:23CassandraIt is, yes.
22:21:41*alberink trembles with jealousy..
22:21:47CassandraI'm using a seperate USB keyboard and a portrait orientation.
22:22:03CassandraDon't be too jealous. It's a 1Gz Pentium M.
22:22:22alberinkYeah, I know... Local IT guys weaned me off one also...
22:22:59AceNikso how is the devcon goin so far
22:23:14desowinAceNik: look at topic
22:23:15CassandraStill no beer.
22:23:24CassandraApparently this is important.#
22:23:38bluebrotherit is :p
22:23:38alberinkinebriation always is...
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22:32:34B4gderspot the non-rockbox target on linus' desk!
22:33:11pixelmaI thought there were two...
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22:33:25bluebrotherhmm. Nano 2G?
22:33:44B4gderuhm, right there are two...
22:33:49dan_aSome tiny player on his left?
22:33:50bluebrothersomeone please zoom LinusN's desk for target identification ;-)
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22:39:11mpeccoriniHi all, I have submitted a small patch to add a menu to chessbox, should I expect the patch to be reviewed/(hopefully) commited any time soon or is everybody focused on Devcon right now?
22:39:13AceNikdominik u thr ?
22:39:48markunmpeccorini: I guess I could take a look at it
22:40:03B4gderdevcon should rather be a better chance to get it in
22:40:08mpeccoriniWOW ! thank you very much markun !
22:40:23simmelbtw, I really like the "Skip The in arist"-feature that "recently" came in.
22:40:46mpeccoriniI wouldn't normally ask about this, but I need the patch commited so I can start in a whole new set of other features ;)
22:41:54*chrisjs169 hopes this RMA doesn't take long...
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22:42:20mpeccoriniB4gder: I thought Devcon was more like a gathering to "talk" about the development rather than "work" in it. I'm I wrong?
22:42:30B4gderI think we'll manage both
22:42:38mpeccorinicool
22:42:50LinusNmost of the time we will sit like this and stare at the webcam
22:42:58mpeccoriniI hope one day I'll attend one
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22:43:34mpeccoriniby the way, I was willing to ask, what does it take to become a "developer"?
22:43:46mpeccorininot that I'm asking for the title, just want to know
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22:44:02CassandraSubmit patches. Demonstrate clue.
22:44:14CassandraOh, and send me lots of money in a brown paper bag.
22:44:20LinusNif you write good patches, one day we will get tired of committing them, and you will get your own svn account
22:44:25mpeccorini:):):):)
22:44:27bluebrotherwhy brown paper bag?
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22:44:39LinusNwhite bags are illegal in sweden
22:44:43bluebrotherhow about ping? *g*
22:44:48bluebrothers/ping/pink/
22:45:05B4gderthey don't exist!
22:45:16bluebrotherright, it was purple
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22:46:08mpeccorinimy daughter has some multicoloured, I might send you one of those
22:46:10CassandraIf you're going to give me money, it can be in a pink bag. It can even be fluffy.
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22:46:35LinusNi'll keep that in mind
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22:47:07bluebrotherhey, how about adding a paypal donation banner to the webcam image?
22:47:13k0rnzdoes anyone know if rockbox has a built-in ebook reader for ipod 5th gen models?
22:47:24mpeccoriniwell, a more "technical" question, what is it left to port Rockbox to iPod Nano 2nd gen?
22:47:27bluebrother"donate now. may use paypal. may use pink paper bag. just donate now."
22:47:37Lloreanmpeccorini: Well, everything after "Think about starting one"
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22:47:47mpeccoriniI see
22:47:48bluebrotherk0rnz, what do you mean with ebook reader? Like text to speech?
22:48:05k0rnzno to display pdf ebooks on ipod
22:48:12k0rnzthru the notes feature
22:48:14mpeccoriniyou mean a PDF reader?
22:48:19k0rnzyeah something like that
22:48:26bluebrotherthere is no pdf reader.
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22:48:42bluebrotheryou can view plain text files, but that's it. Not even a html viewer exists
22:48:44Lloreank0rnz: There is no "Notes" feature in Rockbox, either
22:48:45mpeccoriniI don't see myself reading a book in my iPod :(
22:49:02k0rnzok thanks
22:49:10*bluebrother whispers "pdftotext"
22:49:11k0rnzrockbox is awesome btw...
22:49:17mpeccorinibluebrother: I think I say an html viewer patch somewhere
22:49:23mpeccoriniuncommited of course
22:49:28mutantpineapplei'd read books on mine
22:49:38bluebrothernot exactly −− it's a "strip html to txt" thing
22:49:41CassandraWe'll perform tricks for donations. Linus has said he'll do a striptease if we get 1000 pounds.
22:49:45k0rnzyeah i need to convert a bunch of study guides to txt to read on my ipod
22:49:45mpeccoriniwell
22:49:47k0rnzthanks and bye
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22:49:53CassandraOr was that *unless* we get 1000 pounds.
22:49:55mpeccoriniyes, is something like that
22:50:18LloreanUnfortunately, you can't hold the webcam audience captive because they can just close the window
22:50:24LloreanUnfortunately, there are those of you stuck there in person...
22:50:36Lars_GHmmm text to speech book reader would be cool
22:50:48mpeccorinidefinitely cool !
22:50:50bluebrothertts is a SoC project iirc
22:50:53markunLars_G: I hope it will be done after the summer
22:51:00Lars_GLlorean: there was a Ray Bradbury story.
22:51:04markunbluebrother: yes, I'm the mentor
22:51:14bluebrothermarkun: :)
22:51:34bluebrotherlet's see how much time I'll find during this summer ...
22:51:41Lars_GLlorean: About a woman that begins teaching in a school... martian I think, where all classes where done via "tv", and teachers had to devise tricks to keep their audience captive.
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22:52:16Lars_GLlorean: She comes from a classical teaching environment, and decides to setup a live old style classroom teaching.
22:52:37mpeccoriniyou can put a "mistery phrase" contest, so ppl has to look at all the words
22:52:52***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:53:29mpeccoriniand the winner gets to send Cassandra an orange envelope full of money :)
22:53:42LinusNorange and fluffy
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22:54:30bluebrotherwhat currency? Lire? Pesos? Rubel?
22:55:06mpeccoriniColones from El Salvador (my country)
22:55:36Lars_Gmpeccorini: Ah nice to see a southamerican.
22:55:47mpeccoriniEl Salvador is not in South America !
22:55:52mpeccoriniit's in Central America
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22:56:07Lars_G:P details
22:56:21mpeccorinilike 3000 kms of details
22:56:51bluebrothersounds like neighbourhood :P
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22:57:18mpeccoriniI was exagerating, it's only about 1000 :p
22:57:50mpeccoriniare you all european?
22:58:07bluebrothernot all ... me is.
22:58:21LloreanI'm not.
22:58:33LloreanI live in the USA
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22:58:49bluebrotherI guess the people on the list for DevConWest2007 are all from america
22:59:14LloreanI think they all are from the US, yeah
22:59:18mpeccoriniLlorean: so you know where my country is, I hope. your country is packed with our people hahahaha
22:59:21*bluebrother remembers rasher.dk/rockbox/people/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/
22:59:42toffe82no no no not all US :)
22:59:51Topic"The beer has arrived!" by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
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23:00:01bluebrother\o/
23:00:19mpeccorinitoffe82: give us a couple more decades
23:00:28Lloreanbluebrother: According to that we've got a lot of developers I've never heard of.
23:00:35CassandraLadies and gentlemen, we have BEER!
23:00:42DerPapstwhats the difference between blue dots and red ones?
23:00:43bluebrotherladies and gentlemen, give the beer^H^H^H^Hpetur a very warm welcome :)
23:00:57bluebrotherCassandra, mail it to rb-dev ;-)
23:01:10CassandraOh, also Petur.
23:01:13LloreanDerPapst: Blue == Developer, Red == User, in theory
23:01:19CassandraStill, it's not all bad. ;()
23:01:20AceNikhey guys check this site out www.openmoko.org , will it be possible for rockbox to join hands with them to make a common device with them
23:01:22DerPapstah
23:01:32dan_aYay! You have to try the Tripel Karmeliet
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23:01:57CassandraAceNIk - I wrote to them a while back expressing interest. Never had a reply.
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23:02:14toffe82mpeccorini: I was saying that people at devconwest are not all from US but leaving in the US
23:02:42DerPapstcool.. there is one dev from berlin :D
23:03:32element_gSoap here?
23:03:36markunDerPapst: just 1?
23:03:40bluebrotherDerPapst, where are you located? (me isn't in Berlin)
23:03:59AceNikCassandra: well would rockbox be interested in such a project ?
23:04:04DerPapsti'm from berlin
23:04:13AceNikCassandra: or would it be a total diversion ?
23:04:23DerPapstbut right now i'm in dresden (250km in the south of berlin)
23:04:26mpeccorinitoffe82: sorry, the lines crossed :p
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23:04:41CassandraAceNik: depends - how much money do you have to pay us.
23:04:54CassandraI'll port Rockbox to anything for 20,000 UKP.
23:05:05LinusNto my car?
23:05:07bluebrotherDerPapst, I know germany a bit ;-)
23:05:14bluebrotherLOL
23:05:23a1titudehaha I would love a rockbox car! haha
23:05:43AceNikCassandra: you telling me , it can be ported to even nokia phones?
23:05:55a1titudesweet! Never thourght of that
23:05:55CassandraSure, Linus. Just hand me the money.
23:05:59intgrAceNik: Yes.
23:06:59mutantpineapplei need rockbox on my tshirt
23:07:00intgrBut you probably don't want to exchange a phone for an MP3 player.
23:07:43mpeccoriniwe would need a rockbox "cell phone" plugin
23:08:03DerPapstlol @ webcam
23:08:10bluebrotheroh, the last pic of the cam was hillarious
23:08:18DerPapstlinus you are the greatest!
23:08:21AceNik] intgr: well looking at what the future of the phone industry is i think they going in on developing a full trottle device , check sony's 4G phones, they like a computer
23:08:29dan_aHow come Cassandra has all the beer?!
23:08:50toffe82can we have a close up on the beer P)
23:09:07intgrAceNik: Well, Rockbox isn't an application, it's an operating system.
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23:09:20Zagorfinally, life
23:09:22CassandraNot just beer. Chocolate too.
23:09:53dan_aIt looks like Bagder has all the crisps, though
23:10:04B4gderhey, I bought them! ;-)
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23:10:43bluebrotherlet the gaaaaammmmes begin!
23:10:48*bluebrother waves around with his arms
23:10:54AceNik] intgr: check pvt
23:11:10Zagorone cpu is busted and makes everything hang. that was fun locating...
23:11:31intgrAceNik: If by "pvt" you mean private messages then I haven't received it, since unregistered users cannot send PMs on Freenode.
23:11:58AceNik] intgr: will u join a channel then ,id be drifting away from rockbox fr a while
23:12:11Zagorso who wants an athlon mp2200+ for coaster? ;)
23:13:02intgrAceNik: I'm not even a Rockbox dev/user yet so I'm not sure if I have much to talk about.
23:14:02a1titudeMy webcam feed just cam up as green!? is this a glitch in the download of the image?
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23:14:24LloreanYes
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23:14:34a1titudethanks
23:14:38peturtada...
23:14:39bluebrotherI sometimes have distorted pictures too ... guess this is caused by the webserver serving incomplete images
23:14:47*bluebrother waves at petur
23:15:02a1titudewell it adds some exsitement to the feed! haha
23:15:05leftrightthat beer needs to be chilled
23:15:19a1titudetypo *excitement
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23:15:35bluebrotherhmm, I can't see petur −− is there that much lag with the webcam?
23:15:42*leftright puts nag hat on
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23:15:49florinhello everybody
23:15:56Sivart0hello
23:16:09florini have problems installing rockbox on a 5g 30gb ipod
23:16:13*Sivart0 steals the beer
23:16:15florincan anyone help me?
23:16:25Lloreanflorin: What kind of problems?
23:16:28bluebrotherflorin, only if you tell us your problem
23:16:30florinit mainly stops at "Device is not an iPod"
23:16:33florin:-)
23:16:42florinthough i know it _is_ one.
23:16:44bluebrotheris the AppleOS working?
23:16:49florinyes, it is.
23:16:56LloreanHave you ever installed anything else on it before?
23:16:56leftrightany plans for the H1xx record button ?, seems a waste to let it go unused
23:16:57mpeccoriniyou're probably giving the wrong number to ipodpatcher
23:16:57florinbut the story is actually longer...
23:17:05bluebrotherdo you have admin rights? (assuming windows=
23:17:14florinok
23:17:17florinthe whole story:
23:17:26Lloreanmpeccorini: ipodpatcher automatically detect, you don't give it a number.
23:17:28florini'm working on macosx or, at choice, on linux
23:17:35florinit's (it was) a macpod.
23:17:40AceNikhow many of you agree to this 4G phones basically a mini computer will dominate every device ?
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23:17:51AceNikcheck out sony's 4G phones
23:17:55mpeccoriniLlorean: what? I had to give it a "device" number
23:17:59florinnow it's being recognized as a "winpod", after lots of tippity-tap...
23:18:02Lloreanmpeccorini: How long ago was this?
23:18:07bluebrothermpeccorini, that was changed a while ago
23:18:11LloreanAceNik: This is not a phone channel
23:18:15mpeccoriniprobably a month ago
23:18:43AceNikall im saying is considering to port rockbox on phones, all the more cause there is going to be a time things will combine
23:18:56bluebrotherit was changed earlier. But you can still give it that number, so ...
23:19:01LloreanAceNik: The fact that they're basically computers suggests Rockbox should NOT be ported to them
23:19:02florincopying the mbr from rockbox.org's server to /dev/sdb (or /dev/disk1 for that matter) didn't do it...
23:19:08mpeccorinigot it, got it
23:19:16LloreanAceNik: If they're multi-purpose computers, they don't need an operating system, they need an application.
23:19:18florinso the conversion was a bit tricky
23:19:27B4gderAceNik: we port rockbox to everything people do it for
23:19:44florini dd'ed the original apple firmware from the original macpod to /tmp/firmware
23:19:47mpeccoriniAceNik: sure, why not?
23:20:01florinthen started "fdisk /dev/sdb -b 2048"
23:20:09florinand created windows partitions
23:20:28AceNikbut the reason i say to port it as a operating system is because its a better thing as one , which will not serve justice to it as an application obviously
23:20:29intgrAceNik: People on computers want an *application* for listening to music, not replace their operating system.
23:20:32DerPapstmaybe someone want to add the names? http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/rockbox/DevCon.jpg
23:20:38bluebrotherhmm −− the 30GB has the 2048 block size?
23:20:39florinpartition table looks like:
23:20:42florinDisk /dev/sdb: 30.0 GB, 30005821440 bytes
23:20:42florin255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 912 cylinders
23:20:42florinUnits = cylinders of 16065 * 2048 = 32901120 bytes
23:20:42DBUGEnqueued KICK florin
23:20:42florin Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
23:20:42florin/dev/sdb1 1 3 96264 0 Empty
23:20:43***Alert Mode level 1
23:20:43florin/dev/sdb2 4 912 29206170 b W95 FAT32
23:20:54florin(sorry for the intrusion :-)
23:21:08florindd'ed /tmp/firmware back to /dev/sdb1
23:21:10mpeccoriniflorin: go ahead, we're reading
23:21:18AceNik] intgr: no one knows what extents rockbox can go to by poting them to better devices
23:21:19bluebrotherflorin, please use a pastebin for pastes like that
23:21:21florinand then mkfs.msdos on /dev/sdb2
23:21:39florincopied the apple itunes directory structure back to /dev/sdb2
23:21:44florina voila −− a windows ipod :-)
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23:21:52florinapple is happy, ipod is happy, itunes is happy...
23:21:53LloreanAceNik: Rockbox would be a TERRIBLE operating system for a multi-purpose device. It wasn't designed as one.
23:21:55intgrAceNik: Rockbox is a simplistic RTOS, a single application can easily take down the whole device; you don't want that on a computer.
23:21:56bluebrotherDerPapst, too bad petur is missing
23:22:02florinbut the ipodpatcher is not :-(
23:22:11intgrYes.
23:22:17DerPapstflorin: what is the exact mkdos command?
23:22:28florinmkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdb2
23:22:40DerPapstyou'll have to add -S 2048
23:22:41florinoptionally mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdb2 -s 2048
23:22:57florini mean -S 2048
23:23:01Domonokyi think ipodpatcher checks for some magic on the drive.. i dont know for sure.
23:23:14LloreanDomonoky: As long as the MBR got applied properly, the magic *should* be there
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23:23:25DerPapstyep. somewhere on the fw partition
23:23:27AceNikim saying it can be possible to boot into or switch it into a different mode
23:23:37florinyes, i assume there's where the problam lies: i'm pretty sure that my partition layout differs from that of a winpod.
23:23:42florin(in partition sizes etc).
23:23:53Lloreanflorin: You need to use the MBRs from our site, or it won't work.
23:24:10LloreanAceNik: There's just no point in doing that. It's basically saying "A bunch of extra work should be done for no real benefity."
23:24:23LloreanYou'd have to write drivers for all the hardware, etc, instead of just having an application.
23:24:26florinok, i'll try... i ran into problems with that (linux wouldn't recognize the partition sizes correcly...)
23:24:39Lloreanflorin: 15gb partition instead of 30?
23:24:40florinbut i can give it another try with you guys around :-)
23:24:43florinyes
23:24:51LloreanYeah, there was something wrong with the file.
23:24:53florinand the firmware partition was too small.
23:25:00LloreanUnfortunately, I'm not sure we've got a good one yet, though
23:25:08florinsomething like 10-30 MB (don't recall quite correctly)
23:25:16florinmy firmare is somewhere around 65 MB
23:25:24florin(or at least the dd'ed file)
23:25:28AceNik Llorean:agreed, given up , but there is a point somewhere if rockbox needs expanding anytime with popularity & mass of people usin it , it has to be this kind of a device
23:25:37DerPapstthats right so far :P
23:25:43LloreanAceNik: No, it doesn't have to be to that sort of device, at all.
23:25:49LloreanIt *can* be
23:25:59florinso what now? download a new mbr and try it again? from linux?
23:26:07AceNik Llorean: i just feel since rockbox has come this far , it should expand with either its own device or something like that
23:26:13LloreanThen do it.
23:26:27DerPapstflorin: you can use what ever os has dd.
23:26:29Lloreanflorin: I'm not really sure, honestly. Try to catch linuxstb, maybe, he might have an idea.
23:27:12florinLlorean: you said something was wrong with the file...
23:27:18LloreanYeah
23:27:25florindid you mean the original file, or my download?
23:27:29LloreanThe original
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23:27:56florinaha.
23:28:01LloreanNow, it's possible to install Rockbox without the user of the iPodPatcher tool at all.
23:28:07LloreanIt's just a lot less fun.
23:28:25DerPapstflorin: you can ask on the forums if anyone with a 5.5G 30GB can give you their mbr
23:28:38LloreanDerPapst: Or better yet, ask them to upload it to the wiki page.
23:28:45florinyes, i'll do that...
23:28:54florinbut what about that ipodpatcher-less install?
23:28:54DerPapstLlorean: yepp.
23:28:57AceNik Llorean:so what do you use for ipods now , like you need patcher for the bootloader right?
23:29:02bluebrotheroh, webcam broken? :'-(
23:29:03florini'm keen :-)
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23:29:32LloreanAceNik: You don't need iPodpatcher for the bootloader, it's just the easiest method to install it.
23:29:37a1titudeyeah, I lost the webcam feed 2!
23:29:55AceNik Llorean:then which is the ther method ?
23:30:09bluebrotherDerPapst, http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/DevCon2007.jpg
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23:30:36DerPapstnice :)
23:30:44***Alert Mode OFF
23:30:56Lloreanflorin: First you need a raw .bin of the bootloader, rather than a .ipod. I'm not sure how to do that, I know it's converted to .ipod during the compile process so I assume you can just remove that step, I'm not sure if it's reversible (as an alternative)
23:31:04pixelmabluebrother: wrong...
23:31:09bluebrotherpicture again :)
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23:31:29bluebrotherpixelma, what's wrong?
23:31:32Lloreanflorin: Then using the "Linux Users" directions from here (horribly outdated, but I think they *might* still work) you might be able to figure out what to do
23:31:42pixelmathat guy you called Zagor is petur - Zagor is missing on the pic
23:31:53bluebrotherd'oh!
23:32:00LloreanAceNik: The old process had you use dd to extract the firmware partition, the ipod_fw tool to extract the firmware and merge it with the bootloader, then dd to write it back
23:32:05DerPapstLlorean: they don't work for 5.5G iPods.
23:32:08bluebrotherbut wasn't that Zagor's place?
23:32:15LloreanDerPapst: At all?
23:32:23CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:32:23*petur feels so last year with the blue shirt
23:32:30DerPapstipod_fw creates a corrupt image
23:32:33LloreanAh.
23:32:42Lloreanflorin: Ignore me.
23:32:46DerPapsthe can try out scrable though
23:32:57B4gderno more "half" webcam pics now
23:33:09bluebrotherpixelma, better now?
23:33:10LloreanJust DD over a bootloader, no merged firmware? Break dual boot, but you'd at least have Rockbox
23:33:19DerPapstbut that will "delete" the original fw
23:33:25florinLlorean: ignore you?
23:33:27bluebrothersorry petur :o
23:33:40Lloreanflorin: My instructions wouldn't have worked apparently, the ipod_fw tool isn't compatible with 5.5G
23:34:17AceNikbye guys have fun
23:34:18florinso no rockbox for me yet, right?
23:34:22LloreanI'm thinking
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23:34:43DerPapstflorin: you can replace the original os with rockbox
23:34:54florinok with me...
23:34:58florin:-)
23:35:11Domonokywoudnt it be possible to use the "wrong" mbr and recreate the Fat32 partition ?
23:35:35Domonokythen ipodpatcher should accept it..
23:35:38DerPapstyou'll have to build the scramble tool. it's in SVN
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23:35:46Sivart0waaaaaait
23:35:52LloreanAnother idea is to just extract your current MBR, add in the "magic" that iPodPatcher looks for, and write it back.
23:35:57DerPapstDomonoky: might be worth a try.
23:35:58Sivart0you can completely remove the apple OS? OO_O
23:36:00*Llorean doesn't know what that magic is.
23:36:03LloreanSivart0: Yes
23:36:11LloreanMakes booting a bit faster, too.
23:36:14florinhm...
23:36:17Sivart0=o
23:36:22Domonokyor comment the check in ipodpatcher an recompile it :-)
23:36:22florinok, how?
23:36:23*Sivart0 drools
23:36:29LloreanDomonoky: That would work as well.
23:36:35florinwhere's the souce?
23:36:36LloreanI've petitioned to give iPodPatcher a −−force option
23:36:36DerPapstflorin: try out the mbr from the 80GB 5.5G iPod
23:36:43DerPapstand fix it in fdisk then
23:36:50LloreanDerPapst: That'd have an oversized firmware partition
23:36:53Llorean120mb instead of 80mb
23:36:56DerPapsti know
23:36:59LloreanExtra room for the hibernation image.
23:37:00bluebrotherSivart0, ipodpatcher -wf rockbox.ipod
23:37:32LloreanSivart0: Be aware you should ipodpatcher -rf apple_os.ipod and keep a backup of that somewhere in case you ever want to restore it.
23:37:59Sivart0cool
23:38:00bluebrotheryou can even run apple_os from that file afterwars iiuc
23:38:03Lloreanbluebrother: I prefer to -wf bootloader.ipod personally. Makes the boot take slightly longer, but it means not having to -wf every Rockbox update.
23:38:06Domonokythe source for ipodpatcher is in SVN in rbutil/ipodpatcher, if you can compile its probaly the easyest..
23:38:07toffe82so what is the first beer you drink ?
23:38:20bluebrotherLlorean, I did it that way too :)
23:38:23*DerPapst points Llorean to: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Restore_without_iTunes
23:38:30florinahm... wait, i'm starting to lose you guys...
23:38:37DerPapstso he dosn't have to make a backup :P
23:38:45florintrying to understand:
23:39:00florinif i break my ipod's firmware, i'm able to restore it with itunes, right?
23:39:03bluebrotherdamn, I don't have a beer around
23:39:11Domonokyflorin: yes
23:39:11DerPapstflorin: yes
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23:39:20DerPapstwoohoo i was faster :P
23:39:43florinok.
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23:40:16florinnow about that MBR: if i messed it up, after re-partitioning, it sould be sane again (provided that i did a sane repartitioning) right?
23:40:26peturbeer 1: http://www.trappistwestmalle.be/en/page/tripel.aspx
23:40:30Sivart0and i already know how to do all that linux crap xD
23:40:43Sivart0>_> i've messed up my firmware partition many times
23:40:50bluebrotherhmm. Is there a beer agenda?
23:40:52florin(too :-)
23:40:53Sivart0damn ipodlinux
23:40:57florinok.
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23:41:11DerPapstflorin: try out the mbr for the 5.5G 80GB iPod and fix your mbr afterwars.
23:41:16peturbluebrother: yes, at the bottom of the devcon wiki page ;)
23:41:24florinnow i do have a working ipod, with original firmware. iknow how to re-create that from scrach (done like 10 times today :-)
23:41:24DerPapstmaybe ipodpatcher is still happy then
23:41:36bluebrotherthanks, just noticed it. But the upcoming beer isn't announced ;-)
23:41:48florinnow.
23:41:58bluebrotheror is that planned for tomorrow?
23:41:59florinmy options are (1) patch ipodpatcher and recompile
23:42:05florin(2) patch my "working" MBR
23:42:11florinwith the rockbox-magic
23:42:19DerPapsti would choose (2) :P
23:42:21florinor (3) install rockbox as the only os
23:42:28bluebrotherpetur, :D
23:42:41Lloreanor (4) come up with a solution cleverer than those we've suggested. ;)
23:42:47florin:-)
23:43:00florini think (2) sounds like the most sane sollution.
23:43:07Domonoky5) wait for someone elses MBR..
23:43:13LloreanI think (1) is actually the most sane.
23:43:14a1titudeI know I'm asking for my head to be bitten off here, but is the 80GB ipod going to be looked at at the Devcon?
23:43:16florinmaking a dd of the MBR, and then?
23:43:16B4gder(5) wait until it fixes itself
23:43:31DerPapst^would be 6
23:43:31LloreanSince it probably just involves commenting out a check or two.
23:43:39Sivart0wooo!
23:43:43florin(7) wave a dead mouse over the 'pod?
23:43:49LloreanI'm not sure what (2) needs to be done.
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23:44:00DerPapstwell. this time ignore me and do waht Llorean said ;)
23:44:01LloreanI have no idea what iPodPatcher is looking for that yours isn't giving it.
23:44:07florindoes anybody has a URL to the source of ipodpatcher?
23:44:16florini could figure out what it does...
23:44:17DerPapstit's in svn
23:44:32LloreanAnd you'd probably have to open up iPodPatcher and ask it what it's looking for, and once you're there you may as well just comment out the look rather than taking that information and hacking up an MBR with it :)
23:44:45DerPapsthttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/ipodpatcher/?pathrev=13403
23:44:46Zagortower time!
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23:45:57florin(apt-get install svn....)
23:46:06bluebrothercool.
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23:46:10Sivart0what's the smallest my firmware partition can be?
23:46:16*bluebrother does the tower-dance
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23:46:33LloreanSivart0: How big is the bootloader.ipod for your target
23:46:35*dan_a giggles at the DAP tower
23:46:55bluebrotherdan_a, seen the dap tower of last year?
23:47:00florinah, right. what about that ipodpatcher generating broken patches for 5.5g?
23:47:20bluebrotherbut as the family grew, let's wait for this years tower ...
23:47:21Sivart0hmmm... pretty small
23:47:28Lloreanflorin: ipod_fw is the program that's broken for 5.5G, not iPodPatcher
23:47:43dan_abluebrother: No, I wasn't around at that time
23:47:51DerPapstSivat0: 1MB is enough then :P
23:47:54florinat what point does that one kick in?
23:47:55bluebrotherme neither, but there is a picture online
23:47:58Sivart0:P
23:48:11Sivart0smallest i can make it is 8mb >_<
23:48:13florin(sorry for asking dumb questions... i'm new here :-)
23:48:20Lloreanflorin: ipod_fw isn't used at all, or shouldn't be.
23:48:29DerPapstright
23:48:29florinah ok.
23:48:46bluebrotherdan_a, http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2006/
23:48:55Sivart0anybody know how to make only a 1mb partition?
23:49:05Sivart0with fdisk on linux
23:49:20bluebrotherchoose "+1m" as end sector
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23:49:30DerPapstswitch to sectors. not clusters :P but i think 8MB is small enough
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23:49:42Sivart08mb is too big!
23:49:53florinSVN problem
23:49:55florinsvn co http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/ipodpatcher/
23:49:55florinsvn: PROPFIND request failed on '/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/ipodpatcher'
23:50:14bluebrotherflorin, replace http:// with svn://
23:50:16DerPapstheh
23:50:30DerPapstthat wouldn't work either
23:50:31Domonokyand no viewvc ..
23:50:31bluebrotherah, and that viewvc.cgi in there won't work
23:50:44Sivart0how do i switch to sectors?
23:50:47bluebrothersvn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk
23:50:49Domonokythe URL is: svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk
23:51:04Domonoky:-)
23:51:15DerPapstand the add /rbutil/ipodpatcher
23:51:24florinthankx
23:51:26DerPapstif you only want to co ipodpatcher
23:51:27florin:-)
23:51:41florinit even compiles :-)
23:52:06*bluebrother wonders if we get a close-up of the tower
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23:52:23dan_aI hope austriancoder manages to get his USB driver written - I don't like having to go into the original firmware to upgrade!
23:52:49florinhm.
23:52:53florinsomething's fishy.
23:52:55LloreanI would love it if I never had to enter the OF on my Sansa.
23:53:05LloreanThat stupid database updating it does.
23:53:05florinit checks agains 55aa on the last 32 bit
23:53:19florinbut my mbr _does_ have 55aa right back there!
23:53:19DerPapstwee.. nice "Tower of Daps"
23:53:28bluebrotherthat's usual for a partition table
23:53:38bluebrotherbut ipodpatcher does a couple of other checks
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23:54:43bluebrotherit also checks the boot sector of the data partition afaics
23:54:55bluebrotheripodpatcher.c:175
23:55:12Sivart0>_<
23:55:31bluebrothers/of thedata partiton//
23:55:58florini'm still trying to figure out what goes wrong, brb.
23:56:43n1sis May 18 going to be the first commit-less day of the year?
23:56:51Sivart0grrrr
23:56:55Sivart0i dont wanna rebooooot :(
23:57:07bluebrotherno, there were commitless days before
23:57:16bluebrothershould I do one?
23:57:32DerPapstyes :)
23:57:41dan_aIt'd be wrong if development stopped because of devcon!
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