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#rockbox log for 2007-05-20

00:00:20LloreanI'm not sure it really is clutter.
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00:00:33LloreanI mean, does it really interfere with searches or anything?
00:01:19element_gLlorean: I agree, it is just one feature request I wouldn't consider that clutter
00:01:32Lloreanelement_g: It's one of many
00:01:43ZagorI have to go now. The email notifications aren't fixed yet (new code means I can't just apply my patches), and there's an assortment of quirks on the webpage. but as far as I've seen the basics work anyway.
00:02:01LloreanWhat would be nice is a view that showed everything *but* feature requests
00:02:10Llorean95% of feature requests could be cleared away as "clutter" otherwise.
00:03:16intgrFlyspray doesn't let you create custom queries?
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00:05:02bluebrotherthe new version can.
00:05:30bluebrotherare the lights down at devcon? Only a black image ...
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00:06:25element_gLlorean: i see where you're going, could a time limit be set on Feature requests after which they're moved into an archive?
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00:06:48LloreanDunno
00:07:09LloreanThe problem is, I don't like getting rid of feature requests just because nobody's interested, but I also don't like them cluttering the list.
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00:07:52bluebrotherbasically I agree.
00:08:19bluebrotherbut closing tasks doesn't remove them −− you can still search for them and view them. And reopen if needed
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00:08:42bluebrotherso, if someone starts working on such a task he could simply request the task to get reopened.
00:10:03element_gbluebrother: I see, so what you're talking about will remedy the clutter?
00:10:35bluebrotheryou won't get shown like 1000 open tasks anymore, which I personally consider less clutter
00:11:23LloreanClose it with "Later" then, I guess
00:12:46bluebrotherwe could close it as later, or reject it and add "if someone wants to work on this request the task to get reopened" or something similar
00:13:19LloreanWell I tend to think of "Rejected" as meaning "We do not want this, so please don't work on it."
00:13:23bluebrotherreject if it's something only a few people will ever want.
00:13:36bluebrotherhmm. Good point
00:13:39LloreanWell, I'm off to dinner, though.
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00:14:23element_gDevcon people: who's that wearing socks and sandals?
00:15:00DerPapstLinusN
00:15:56element_gyou were all doing so well with the stylish Rockbox shirts
00:16:46a1titudeSocks and sandles? 0.o
00:16:49a1titudethats nasty!
00:17:07element_gIt depends, who know what linus's feet look like?
00:17:08a1titude*sandals
00:17:25a1titudehah
00:17:31LinusNESD-sandals
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00:17:59element_gESD?
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00:18:10LinusNelectro-static discharge
00:18:22a1titudeyeah just looked it up! haha
00:18:31a1titudethats wierd, paranoia?
00:18:33Bagderhi guys
00:18:39LinusNhi
00:18:44safetydanHrmm, Bagder's been on a bit of a tear through flyspray and svn...
00:19:02Bagderindeed!
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00:19:11Soul_SlayerHey, is there a recommended file type and bit rate to use for saving battery?
00:19:24bluebrotherelement_g, check the who's who picture ;-)
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00:19:39safetydanoh, right, devcon is on :)
00:19:43*safetydan has been out of the loop
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00:21:32safetydanAny chance that someone will look at 6652 then?
00:21:38element_gSoul Slayer: vorbis? the lower bitrate variety
00:21:49LinusNthose sandals are standard footwear at work, socks or not
00:21:55element_gbluebrother: that's a pretty funny pic
00:22:13a1titudedefine work! :)
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00:22:49*bluebrother hasn't seen such esd footwear before
00:22:55Bagdersafetydan: ah yes, I forgot about that one. I'll try to get a stab at that tomorrow
00:23:00element_gLinusN: I see
00:23:07Soul_SlayerHmm, vorbis puts on less strain than MP3?
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00:23:20a1titudeat lower bitrates
00:23:25bluebrotherelement_g, I was quite a bit surprised that picture got like officially linked :)
00:23:30a1titudeat the same bitrate is uses more power
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00:23:42bluebrotheron coldfire, mp3 needs less cpu power than ogg
00:23:57a1titudethats normal
00:24:04bluebrotherand iirc on pp it's the other way round (as the vorbis codec performs better on arm)
00:24:05a1titudeat the same bitrate is uses more power
00:24:35a1titudebut vorbis sounds better at lower bitrates so you can use a lower bitrate and that saves the power
00:24:36Soul_SlayerWell, I have a H10, which is PP
00:25:15safetydanBagder, cheers. I've had a couple of goes at it, but got nowhere since I don't know perl.
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00:25:33Soul_SlayerSo should I transcode my music into a low bitrate OGG format in order to save battery?
00:25:37element_galtitude: how much better?
00:25:51a1titudetranscoding is not recommended
00:26:01a1titudeand it depends there is no exact rule
00:26:02Thundercloud_Ogg vorbis is far worse for battery life than mp3 I thought due to ogg decoders being pretty unoptimised.
00:26:08Bagdernice sub 5 minute build times now
00:26:18Soul_SlayerHmm
00:26:23bluebrotherSoul_Slayer, you could try it −− encode various formats and bitrates and have a look at the boost ratio
00:26:27a1titudewww.hydrogenaudio.org
00:26:47bluebrotherI personally find ogg -q5 comparable to 192kbit mp3
00:26:57element_gI prefer vorbis, it's free, and better for seamless
00:26:58a1titudehttp://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Transcoding
00:27:17element_gbluebrother: 192kbit is pretty much my preference for mp3
00:27:25Soul_SlayerThe boost ratio will indicate it's battery consumption?
00:27:34bluebrotherI prefer vorbis for a couple of reasons. No hassle with id3v1 vs. id3v2 for example
00:27:34a1titudeyou should try something like 80kbps vorbis
00:27:51ivan`vorbis tags are evil
00:28:09bluebrothervorbis has comments, no tags :p
00:28:14Soul_SlayerI'll give it a shot, thanks a1
00:28:36bluebrotherand they work wayyy better than id3 for me. Including much better support by open source tools
00:28:37Soul_SlayerIs the database designed for MP3 only then?
00:28:49bluebrotherno. The database works with all supported audio formats
00:28:54Soul_SlayerOh, okay
00:29:03a1titudehttp://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15049 <- u should look at that page
00:29:21bluebrotherjust make sure not to add id3 tags to vorbis files −− that's broken and won't work (but some broken software does this)
00:29:23Soul_SlayerCheers =]
00:30:28element_gSoul Slayer: I'm sure Database works with vorbis, it's built using all kinds of metadata
00:30:46Soul_SlayerOk
00:31:35bluebrotherI'm still using Xiph.org. What are the advantages of aotuv?
00:31:42*n1s uses -q4 vorbis encoded by the latest aotuv encoder and is very happy with that
00:31:46a1titudebetter sounding for the bitrate
00:32:13bluebrotherany values that are comparable? Like -q5 xiph.org compares to -q4 aotuv?
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00:32:28a1titudeits all relative
00:32:32a1titudeto the listner
00:32:37n1sbluebrother: I may sound like a HA forum member but "only your ears can decide" :-)
00:32:39a1titude*listener
00:32:59element_gI agree
00:33:07a1titudeI agree too
00:33:09n1sFWIW -q4 with aotuv is completely transparent to me...
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00:33:13a1titudeAlthough I'm a member
00:33:20Luc_Aylesburyhia :)
00:33:24a1titude-q1 is transparent to me
00:33:51Luc_AylesburyIs Rockbox compatible with "60GB Apple Ipod Photo 4th Gen" ?
00:33:56a1titudeyeah
00:34:05a1titudeI think
00:34:11Bagderit is
00:34:19element_g128kbit mp3's used to be good enough, but I started listening to 192kbit and VBR encodes and realized that on some songs there would be some reverb missing etc.
00:34:25n1salso with tomal's latest optimizations to the vorbis codec in rockbox the boost is single digit percentages now on my h300 (with q4)
00:34:34bluebrothern1s, right ... guess I'll just stick.
00:34:39Luc_Aylesburycool, but is there any advantage to using a "
00:34:39Luc_AylesburyApple iPod Video 60GB" ?
00:34:47badsheepynewer lame is much better too
00:34:58bluebrotherbut does anyone know why aotuv is a separate thing?
00:34:59ivan`used to be good enough, when you had bad gear
00:35:00BagderLuc_Aylesbury: advantage in comparison to what?
00:35:07*n1s also has a small iram optimization that he hopes to commit soon :-)
00:35:08a1titude3.97 is the hydrogen audio recomended lame encoder currently
00:35:14Luc_AylesburyBagder, if rockbox was better on the Video ?
00:35:23element_gif i were to use mp3 I would prefer LAME too
00:35:30Luc_Aylesburyor if it had the same features between the two devices ?
00:35:31Thundercloud__LAME = yes
00:35:36a1titudebluebrother: it a different developer developing the enconder
00:35:39badsheepyaotuv with sse optimisations is like 8x faster at encoding for me
00:35:41BagderLuc_Aylesbury: I think Rockbox performs worse on the video, due to the video's larger screen
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00:36:00Luc_Aylesburyoh
00:36:12a1titudethese sse sse2 and sse3 MT optermised versions too
00:36:16bluebrotherah, so the official developers don't seem to be interested in aotuv changes?
00:36:20Bagderand the way the lcd driver/setup works
00:36:26Luc_Aylesburyalso, and sorry this will be my last question:) is there anywhere I can see the rockbox interface in action?
00:36:37Luc_Aylesburyrunning on a device (e.g. ipod) ?
00:36:38a1titudehttp://homepage3.nifty.com/blacksword/
00:36:38badsheepythey incorporated aotuv 0.2 changes or something
00:36:46badsheepybut not the newer ones just yet i think
00:36:55BagderLuc_Aylesbury: there's a simulator you can build/run on your host computer
00:37:17Luc_Aylesburybagawk, that sounds good :)
00:37:17Cassandrarasher.dk/rockbox/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/ has simulators.
00:37:35Luc_Aylesburybrilliant :) I will give them a look...
00:37:46n1sbluebrother: post by one of the vorbis developers concerning among other things aotuv: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=774be553214616a2bd0dff44db7119b0&showtopic=53148&view=findpost&p=491641
00:39:01element_gLuc_Aylesbury: If I were to recommend an iPod I'd say either nano or video, mainly becuase they have the best WPS themes, It's to my understanding that Rockbox is slower on all iPods (I'm assuming its fastest on things like the nano, and mini, and slowest on the video)
00:39:50a1titudeI would love it on the 80GB but.... yeah.
00:40:25Luc_Aylesburyelement_g, thank you for taking the time to write that :) If I might ask... When you say "slow", do you mean that the actual interface is slow? I mean, they are all fast enough to play OGG and FLAC format ?
00:41:34n1sDo dependency graphs work for anyone in flyspray?
00:43:05bluebrotherok. Thanks for clearing this ogg stuff up for me :)
00:43:27element_gLuc_Aylesbury : Ogg plays in realtime or better, same for FLAC see
00:43:27element_ghttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status
00:43:49Luc_Aylesburyelement_g, thank you Sir, I will take a look
00:44:22bluebrothern1s, do you have an id of a task with dependencies around?
00:44:39n1s6574
00:45:58Luc_AylesburyIt seems that iPod Photo suffers from crashes due to frequency scaling, so I would probably be better going for a Video :)
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00:46:10bluebrotherno, graph is broken
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00:46:17Luc_AylesburyI'm just trying to figure out which is the best to buy :P
00:46:21bluebrotherbut the "related tasks" tab also shows nothing
00:46:28bluebrotherwell, no tasks to be exact.
00:46:46n1sbluebrother: do you know if it worked for you before (the graph) it never worked for me
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00:47:06bluebrotherthe graph never worked.
00:47:27bluebrotherthere also seems to be a problem with your name. Looks like an utf8 issue ;-)
00:47:35zivan56the sansa audio control really needs to be changed to control the headphone volume, as the radio is significantly louder even with the smallest gain change, ie -20 is extremely loud
00:47:50zivan56when controlling line1_in volume
00:47:58n1sah, ok, and I think FS makes a distinction between dependencies and related tasks... yeah my name is copyrighted :-)
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00:49:52element_gLuc_Aylesbury : if you're looking for someone to recommend a player, I'd go for a Gigabeat, they're discontinued but still easily obtainable through eBay (where I got mine)
00:51:42bluebrotherFS still has some glitches, but I really like the new stuff :)
00:51:57zivan56hmm, my bad, looks like headphone volume doesn't control the "main" volume, as line1_in is still at the same volume...
00:53:35ivan`is a headphone amp a good idea for a 60 ohm headphone on an X5?
00:54:21Luc_Aylesburyelement_g, thank you. I understand the GigaBeat will go up to 40Gb ?
00:54:50scorcheheadphone amps are only a good idea if you want either louder sound, or cleaner sound if you can bypass the internal amp
00:54:50JdGordonBagder: aronud?
00:55:06ivan`and portable audio players amp already
00:55:22a1titudeThat webcams getting to annoy me, I wanna know whats going on on the other side of the moniters! ::-P
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00:57:29ivan`i just hear that meier crossfeed is better than rockbox's algorithm
00:57:56markunLlorean: up to 60
00:58:05scorcheand some say the opposite...it really doesnt matter...
00:58:07markunLuc_Aylesbury: that was for you
00:58:56Luc_Aylesburymarkun, thanks :P
00:59:25markunLuc_Aylesbury: linuxstb upgraded his gigabeat F20 with a 80GB hdd
00:59:39markunbut he needed to replace the case
00:59:42Luc_Aylesburymarkun, oooo, even better :)
00:59:51markunand it's not cheap..
01:00
01:00:44Soul_SlayerF10 and F20 have smaller cases than the F40 and F60s
01:02:06Lloreanmarkun: 60?
01:02:10*Llorean is lost.
01:02:25LloreanOh, nevermind
01:02:28LloreanI'm found again
01:02:40markun:)
01:02:50markunLlorean: it was the auto complete..
01:02:53LloreanYeah
01:03:19markunSoul_Slayer: yes, that's why he used a F40 case
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01:05:04zivan56this is quite strange, the sansa headphone volume control doesn't affect the volume of line1 in going to the headphones
01:07:29n1szivan56: maybe some sort of mixer setting in the dac?
01:08:10tchanI haven't seen it mentioned in here but just in case for fellow Rockbox users −− Frys.com is having a sale on 8gb e280 Sansa mp3 players for $150. Sale is on now through 20070522. http://shop1.outpost.com/product/5007675
01:08:30zivan56n1s: perhaps, the only thing I can do for now is change the gain on line1 to change the volume
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01:10:50n1saah, the data sheet with a sort of NDA...
01:10:59zivan56looks like the radio driver needs to call the sound driver, tell it to enable line1 in, and only change the gain on line1 instead of the current DAC volume control
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01:14:55zivan56well I'll leave that for somone else, another issue is the radio screen never seems to unmute the radio
01:15:56moosI've got problem when I download svn sources: "svn:failed to add file 'rockbox/manual/rockbox_interface/images/player-front.svg': object of the same name already exists"
01:16:42element_gLuc_Aylesbury: the Gigabeat F40 is the easiest to find
01:17:20element_gbtw, I got mine for $150 CAD ( I think 120$ or something US)
01:18:46***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:18:54moosanyone have an idea about this player-front.svg file?
01:19:25moosamiconn, pixelma maybe?
01:19:42moosfor highlight your bar :)
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01:21:51pixelmamoos: there were a few manual commits but I don't have any problems cheking out the sources myself - maybe a local problem for you? Maybe someone else could try?
01:22:19jhMikeSzivan56: we're using the DAC volume to control volume because the range is larger but that approach won't work with an analog passthrough
01:23:02moospixelma: yeah I thought at this too, but I completly remove my rockbox folder, and then redownload, but svn failed at thid file
01:23:09moosthis
01:23:15amiconnmoos: Simplest solution: delete the file in question locally, and svn up again
01:23:38zivan56jhMikeS: any suggestions on how to go about getting radio volume control? or is controlling line1 in gain the only option
01:23:52moospixelma, amiconn: I have no more rockbox dir at all now
01:26:15pixelmawonder why it should fail there because noone's done anything with these .svgs
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01:27:38LloreanjhMikeS: Is -39 really the lowest the volume goes?
01:27:51jhMikeSzivan56: two ways, digital passthrough or use the headphone vol instead
01:28:39moospixelma: yeah I searched on svn logs and found nothing myself neither, probably local problem then...
01:28:39jhMikeSLlorean: I believe so though the mixer volume and headphone volume could probably be combined to a larger range
01:29:08zivan56jhMikeS: I tried the headphone volume right after setting dac volume, and although it increased/decreased the volume when playing an mp3, the volume is not changed at all when the radio is playing
01:29:10LloreanjhMikeS: Ah. For me, -39 is still quite loud, so I was wondering. :)
01:29:39zivan56interestingly enough, it increases the overall volume when both dac and headphone are set
01:29:50jhMikeSzivan56: ummm...sounds rather odd. I haven't done much playing around yet.
01:30:13jhMikeScould use line + mixer combo
01:30:16jhMikeS??
01:30:35zivan56yes, controlling line1_in gain does the trick, but the volume different is quite apparant
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01:31:36jhMikeSI'd rather reserve line1_in volume for recording and not playback volume though...hmmm
01:32:00zivan56but there is an issue of a static noise present when increasing it if the radio is muted/not present
01:32:12zivan56yes, that is true as well
01:32:44jhMikeSRadio muting should be automatically coordinated withing the standard calls really
01:34:06zivan56that's another issue, radio.c seems to have a bug where it never calls unmute..still trying to find where it is
01:34:56jhMikeSit unmutes on other DAPs for sure
01:35:15zivan56yes, its probably an ifdef somewhere
01:35:30zivan56do all radio targets have recording support?
01:35:42scorchehrm...so what is petur doing?
01:36:11peturtracing the h300 pcb, looking for clues on the usbotg
01:36:20scorcheah...fun
01:36:32peturfound some weird things...
01:36:42scorchesuch as?
01:36:46DerPapstscorche: petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0037.jpg">http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0037.jpg
01:37:41peturboth internal and external charge-pump signals are going somewhere, you're supposed to use one or the other...
01:37:50peturweird iriver engineers
01:39:03peturI'm also drinking the last bit of tripel karmeliet
01:39:11peturcheers
01:39:22*scorche wonders how much it would be to ship
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01:39:39jhMikeSzivan56: I think so but SWCODEC doesn't record from the radio screen. mute/unmute calls aren't conditional on that anyway. The use of rec_set_source is probably the reason since that's a recording based function that does the power/unpower. A version for non-recordable target is in order but is should be temporary since e200 indeed has recording.
01:40:39zivan56ah, I see
01:40:54peturI'm annoying the others with the beeping of the multimeter (mostly Linus, who's sleeping about 5 meters from me)
01:41:37scorchethe poor thing
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01:42:34DerPapstheh
01:43:34a1titudewhat time is it there?
01:43:45DerPapst1:45am
01:43:55a1titudewoah
01:43:55DerPapst+/- 2 min
01:44:03a1titudethats erarly
01:44:10a1titude*early
01:44:11DerPapstsame for me :P
01:44:25a1titudehaha
01:47:48zivan56hmm, I just did a search for RADIO_MUTE and the only reference was to radio.c and the tuner drivers
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01:50:55InsectoidTo all your hardware people, what seems to be the most popular single-chip solution for fm radios in rockbox targets?
01:51:01Insectoids/your/you
01:52:22*petur thanks amiconn for solving the h300 usbotg mistery
01:53:27zivan56Insectoid: TEA5767 comes up most
01:54:08peturerrr mystery
01:54:09*amiconn says goodnight
01:54:22Insectoidzivan56: Thanks much.
01:54:23DerPapstnight :)
01:55:53XavierGrpetur: you are visiting misticriver too much it seems :P
01:56:37a1titudenight
01:57:52XavierGrpetur: ah I have that exact page from the ispi chip printed from when I tried to unsolder the overcurrent pins of the chip
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01:58:35XavierGrwell I failed miserably and not only that but it seems that I shortcircuited the USB OTG port casing with a capacitor and now my H340 will reset when I connect something on that port
01:58:55XavierGrwhen rockbox finally managed to run USB OTG code I will reopen it and see if I can do something about it
01:58:58peturwhat capacitor?
01:59:40peturthe black component next to it ot the back-with-white-stribe behind it
01:59:52peturs/ot/or
01:59:55XavierGrlet me check the wiki bmps
02:00
02:00:16peturnext to it probably
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02:00:51peturthat's a diode (and part of the mystery amiconn solved for me)
02:01:49XavierGrah yes Linus corrected me last time and still I call it a capacitor
02:01:52JavacatIs it possible to replace the statusbar icons in the menu with custom ones as standard, or do I need to compile with this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2981 ?
02:02:09XavierGrelectric-newbie here
02:02:11peturit's a series diode on the vbus connection
02:02:21LloreanJavacat: It'd require a patch
02:02:30Javacatok Llorean, thanks
02:02:34*petur is 15 years out of it and lost most of it :/
02:02:41XavierGrwell I accidentally shortcircuited it with the big solder spot of the USB OTG casing
02:02:55XavierGrLast time I asked Linus these are not short circuited
02:04:33XavierGrpetur: so any light on the USB OTG mysteries?
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02:04:55peturbeginning to get a bit of a picture
02:05:16peturmore beeping coming up
02:05:20XavierGrheh nice
02:05:21a1titudedown to 2 people now, who will be teh last to drop?
02:05:31XavierGrtake advantage of it :D
02:06:18DerPapsta1titude: me
02:06:24DerPapstgood night at all
02:06:30a1titudeha
02:06:44DerPapst;)
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02:07:37markunI think petur will be the last
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02:08:29XavierGrmarkun: yeah you seem bored :-)
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02:09:54a1titudewell, petur does seem dedicated
02:10:14a1titudeatleast from by looking at the webcam
02:10:58peturhmmm I'll stick to 'not tired yet' ;)
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02:12:23a1titudehaha
02:12:38a1titudeYour an inspration to the entire organisation!
02:12:57a1titude*inspiration
02:13:35peturrunning out of beer though
02:13:39a1titudeha
02:14:00a1titudewoulden't that make u more tired? lol
02:14:01peturwhoops, emptied the glass :/
02:14:13peturor maybe :)
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02:14:21a1titudewithout even notiecing, I bet
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02:48:23a1titudeoh, thats right, I'm still here, I just remembered! :p
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03:09:42Sivart0eek!
03:10:05Sivart0poor petur is all alone =(
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03:10:32peturdrinking a coke - shame on me
03:11:36Sivart0yummy
03:11:45Sivart0now gimme a dollar
03:13:21peturwebcam going down and so are we
03:13:35petursee y'all tomorrow :)
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04:19:39element_gthey're making some cosmetic/organizational changes, its in today's IRC log
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04:20:08ivan...
04:24:39ivan`ivan: what do you run rockbox on?
04:26:44element_gjdgordon:they're making some cosmetic/organizational/feature upgrades to flyspray, it's in todays IRC log
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04:48:08maxkelleyhi all, is it possible to get write access to the RockBox wiki? I have some information I'd like to add the the page SansaC200Port, and am interested in developing a port for this DAP.
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04:54:18bunzhey? anyone there?
04:58:11JdGordonmaxkelley: whats your wiki name?
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05:03:42bunzanyone there can help me with an ipod nano problem?
05:03:56JdGordonnopt unless you tell us the problem...
05:04:33bunzawhile ago i tried installing ipodlinux on my ipod, i did something funky with aesdisk and then it started screwing up
05:04:38bunzlike, if i dont turn it on for awhile
05:04:41bunzit refuses to boot
05:04:49bunzand i have to reset repeatedly
05:05:00bunzand now when i install rockbox and turn it off
05:05:02bunzit freezes
05:05:17krazykitbunz, have you tried using apple's restore utility to restore it to factory defaults?
05:05:32krazykitthen reinstalling rockbox
05:05:40element_gyea, that's what I'd recommend
05:05:47bunzive redid all the partitions twice
05:05:49bunzlike
05:05:57bunzdelete all, reformat to fat32, restoring with itunes
05:06:02bunzit still has the problem
05:06:23krazykitipodlinux does something to the bootloader, right?
05:06:46bunzyeah i think so
05:06:49krazykiti'm not familiar with it, but doesn't it tell you to back up the original bootloader/firmware/whatever?
05:06:56bunzbut i thought redoing the partitions would delete everything
05:07:09element_gyes the iPL loader does work differently, but you can use the rockbox bootloader to load ipodlinux
05:07:24bunzlike, i erased all the partitions and tried reformatting
05:07:29bunzso i dont know =\
05:07:44krazykitwell, if you wrote to the flash, then wiping the HD does nothing
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05:08:12bunzreally?
05:08:16bunzoh
05:08:19bunzcrap
05:08:19bunz>__<
05:08:31bunzi think i backed up though
05:08:40krazykitbunz, http://www.ipodlinux.org/Uninstallation
05:09:07krazykiti think you need the ipod firmware updated, not itunes.
05:09:12krazykitupdater.
05:09:35bunzso i should do the rolling back
05:09:38bunzthen redo firmware
05:09:39bunz?
05:09:52bunzfuddle with buildid?
05:10:03krazykiti was looking at the second thing
05:10:06ivanivan: on my 60gb iPod photo
05:10:13ivan`ah
05:10:14ivanerr ivan`
05:10:26krazykiter
05:10:27ivanand 80gb is by itself
05:10:28krazykitjust read it, yes
05:10:36krazykitlooks like that's what you need to do
05:10:39bunzokay
05:11:58bunzso i need to use update on titunes
05:12:03ivanivan`: you?
05:12:04element_gbunz: a restore through itunes should fix your flash, if you install iPL or Rockbox (which put their own bootloaders in place) and then restore through itunes, you wont see their bootloaders so this would mean that restoration process restores the ROM
05:12:20ivan`on an X5 60GB
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05:12:40bunzso should i install rockbox and then do a firmware update?
05:12:53ivannice
05:13:09element_gno, there would be no point
05:13:12Murray__I just installed rockbox on my gf's ipod nano and now it's not starting or responding to usb.... what do I do? :P
05:13:15ivanI have the UE hi.fi 5eb
05:13:24ivanear buds for it
05:13:29element_gbunz: just restore through itunes, then install rockbox
05:13:39bunzk
05:13:54bunzexcept i have one problem
05:13:57bunzmy sysinfo is empty
05:13:58bunz=\
05:14:15ivan`sticking things into my ears makes them ring at ~60dB so i don't do IEMs :(
05:14:18element_gMurray__: maybe the battery is dead? try plugging into a wall charger
05:14:30Murray__got no wall charger unfortunately
05:14:43ivanoh :/
05:14:49Murray__battery is probably dead though, but I thought it would still respond to usb?
05:15:02ivanwhat you plan on getting?
05:15:10element_gMurray__: it still needs to boot to use the USB power
05:15:18Murray__I see...
05:15:20Murray__cool
05:15:31Murray__so I probably didn't kill it then?
05:15:34ivanbrb
05:16:22element_gMurray__: the rockbox install process will never make your iPod unrecoverable if anything ever goes wrong an you can't fix things you can always restore through itunes, Rockbox will not brick it
05:16:33Murray__Yay :D
05:16:36Murray__Cheers!
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05:18:14bunzyo element_g what do i do if my sysinfo is empty =S
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05:35:33element_gbunz: I'm not sure what you do if it's empty, maybe there is some info on the iPL uninstall page, maybe krazykit knows more. I've never used iPL so I can't help you out with that stuff
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05:36:07element_gAll I really know is that iPL and Rockbox can coexist as long as you use the rockbox bootloader
05:36:21element_gI might be wrong though
05:36:40scorchethe ipl bootloader will work also, although there might be some issues
05:36:53element_gbut what I do know is that the best way to load rockbox is through the rockbox bootloader
05:37:20element_gsorche: is what I said about the rockbox bootloader loading linux correct?
05:38:00scorcheyes, the rockbox bootloader will load linux
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05:39:53brandonz2hi all. just wondering... i'd like to get some hardware besides an ipod. any recommendations on what hardware is best supported? is there a page that contains this sort of information ?
05:39:58element_g scorche: so would it be best to say that for a Rockbox/iPL installation, you should use the rockbox bootloader
05:40:56element_gbrandonz2: I don't know what you mean about which is "best supported", but I believe that rockbox runs best on the Gigabeat F and X series
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05:41:46brandonz2element_g best supported means like fully utilizing the available hardware. getting good feedback from the manufacturers. implementing power saving. most features implemented. stuff like that.
05:42:11alienbiker99if you could get an x you should
05:49:31midkayelement_g?
05:50:05scorcheelement_g: if you wish us to support it, yes
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05:52:55element_gmidkay yes?
05:53:06midkayelement_g: you wanted me earlier?
05:53:24element_gUm, IIRC it was about the SOAP logo, could I have the PSD?
05:54:49element_gI'm in the process of doing some cleanup on the wiki, and after I'm done organizing I was gonna go through and get the themes compliant with SOAP, and brand them all
05:55:26midkaycool. can i ask what you needed it for in particular?
05:55:55scorchehonestly, as much as i would like for peopel to be able to do that, they are not under a license as of yet, so technically, you cant edit them without the owners permission...this will change soon though
05:56:46element_gI just want to make a color edit. pink soap for stock builds, green or something for unsupported
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05:57:10element_gI prefer the 45 degree angle in my version though
05:57:17scorchewell, we need to figure out how we shall implement the SOAP thingy first
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06:00:09element_gscorche: I thought the general agreement was to just brand all compliant themes with the appropriate logo depending on whether it is standard or unsupported
06:00:47element_gI believe the wiki pages ThemeGuidelines and SoapSealofApproval are clear about the rules
06:01:03scorcheyes, but we havent hammered out specifics yet...you can do what you want to, but it will likely end up being changed again as per what we decide
06:01:24scorcheyes...we have those, but there are also multiple ones that dont work and we have to decide what to do with licensing
06:01:27element_gso, this is a topic for the devs to discuss?
06:02:25scorchei am planning on hashing it all out at devcon-west
06:03:17scorchemost major changes (licensing is, of course, one) are decided by devs in the end, yes
06:04:19element_gI see, when is Devcon-west?
06:04:36scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConWest2007
06:04:47element_gI knew you would do that
06:05:18element_gthat's right before my birthday
06:05:25scorchewell, if you had any other questions afterwards, that would likely answer it instead of you having to ask again =)
06:05:47element_gI know, I was just bugging
06:07:13element_gyou know, if all goes well with a job n stuff I might head out, I'm in Canada, and I've never been to Vegas
06:07:32scorchewell, if you do, i need to know =)
06:08:27element_gok, it's just a thought right now, and I don't know if I'd be any use, I don't know how to code
06:09:09scorchethen you can always socialize...it is up to you in the end if it is worth it or not with transportation and shelter
06:10:14element_gdepends on how much $$$$ I make at work, I don't think I'll be able to get enough together in time though
06:11:01element_gjust noticed its being held at the MGM, cool
06:12:10scorchenot at the MGM...at the MGM's condos....it is a bit different ;)
06:13:10element_gwell, it's still vegas right?
06:13:22scorcheit is!
06:13:52element_gyou don't have to answer, but is it your home?
06:14:49scorcheit is not
06:15:06element_galright
06:15:23element_gchanging the subject, what is your stance on the whole SOAP thing?
06:16:35scorcheit is a good idea, we just have to decide specifically what we want
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06:18:02element_gIt's too bad I have to wait a month for this, I'm getting a lot of requests to fix WPS's, and I want to make them compliant with SOAP at the same time
06:18:10Jungti1234hello
06:18:21element_ghello, jungti1234
06:18:42scorcheyou can do that, just get ahold of the creator and ask their permission
06:18:57scorcheto edit their WPS
06:19:12element_gI really need their permission to fix their WPS?
06:19:24scorchewell, they arent underneath a license, so yes
06:21:09element_gBut aren't I doing them a favor? Should we just say CC by SA if there is no license, the author can change it at any time since they are the owner
06:21:29element_gI guess this is a topic for DevCon-west right?
06:21:38scorcheno, because we didnt say that when they posted them
06:22:06element_gso.... unlisenced? I have a feeling many authors are not around anymore
06:22:11scorchewe cant just change them to whatever license just because we wish to...it isnt our work
06:22:32scorcheanyway, i am off to do a few things
06:22:51element_gI understand, but something has to be decided ( I guess this will wait till DevCon)
06:23:01element_gk, bye scorche
06:23:07element_gthanks for all the info
06:24:41Jungti1234markun you there?
06:26:23Jungti1234hey guys
06:26:27Jungti1234I think I found a bug.
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06:26:53JdGordonbah :(
06:27:11krazykitelement_g, you could write a diff and release that, allowing people to apply it as they will.
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06:32:19element_gkrazykit: that would be pointless really, if someone knows how to patch then they have enough computer knowledge to modify a wps
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06:33:13krazykitelement_g, not true. i can modify patches, but i'm far too lazy to figure out the wps syntax, though i'm sure it's trivial to learn
06:33:55lachlanJungti1234: Can you reproduce the behaviour?
06:34:11element_git certainly is, took me about an hour. I guess the process for now would be to open a forum topic, and wait for someone to post the required changes
06:35:30element_gDevCon West is only a month away, so the WPS's that I use and fix, I can just make SOAP compliant and store them locally, unless there is a license for the theme
06:35:31Jungti1234lachlan: I have screenshot
06:35:53krazykitand by "modify patches" i meant "apply patches with patch or do them manually if needed"
06:35:56maxkelleyJdGordon: sorry for not providing that, and thanks
06:36:35lachlanJungti1234: What is the bug exactly?
06:38:09Jungti1234words don't show normally.
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06:38:38Jungti1234http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/bug.png
06:40:14Jungti1234and seems useless word.
06:40:22lachlanAhh, this is beyond me. Post a buf report in our Bug Tracker http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 and it will be fixed if it is indeed a problem
06:40:32lachlanbug*
06:41:02JdGordonJungti1234: is that in svn? what screen is that?
06:41:28Jungti1234um, already was reported it?
06:43:06Jungti1234word is cut due to single quotation marks.
06:43:20element_gkrazykit: I know that all you need to patch a file is one program, but many users when told they have to install a program, and learn how to type patch −−binary -p0
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06:44:50Jungti1234ok, I will report.
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06:47:17krazykitelement_g, i didn't say it was a good solution :-P
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06:49:03element_gkrazykit: well, thanks for the suggestion at least :)
06:49:43element_gI suppose, I could do both
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08:49:22scorchegood morning =)
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08:50:14scorchegood morning =) (i said it when i saw the came activated, but didnt know you werent on yet)
08:50:28scorches/came/cam
08:50:40LinusNmorning
08:51:00scorcheso are these different shirts, or is it the same shirt everyday?
08:51:01peturmorning
08:51:15LinusNsame - imagine the smell :-)
08:51:57scorcheyou ahve beer though....the antidote
08:52:00PaulJamhi, little question: with the new layout of the tracker, how can i make it show a list of all open tasks? when i leave the search string empty i just see a blank page.
08:52:16LinusNPaulJam: we're working on that
08:52:24PaulJamok, thanks
08:52:34LinusNwe have many issues with the new tracker to solve
08:52:58JdGordonand speaking of the tracker... one of the notes on the wiki says you decided to get more patches from Fs into svn... are we goign to forget abnout bin size and prety much accept everything now?
08:53:01JdGordonand new plugins?
08:53:17*JdGordon bbs.. i tinhk
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08:55:55cablesIs Rockbox based on its own kernel, or does it use the Linux kernel or something like that?
08:56:02scorcheits own
08:56:04cablesok
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08:56:10LinusNJdGordon: not really, just that we don't want some patches to continue rotting
08:56:33scorcheLinusN: what would be an example of one such patch?
08:56:35peturand we still want you to mind binsize :p
08:57:01JdGordonIg uess patches with pretty sim chance of acceptance are immediatly closed then instead of staying open?
08:57:06JdGordoni.e the video menu patch
08:58:15PaulJamJdGordon: btw. what is your opinion about FS #7074 ?
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09:00:14JdGordonthe number rings a bell...
09:01:04JdGordonah yes...
09:01:13JdGordonI like it.. but not sure if I like how he did it:p
09:01:36LinusNJdGordon: as with most patches... :-)
09:01:51JdGordonwell.. yeah
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09:03:48JdGordonwell.. he made it a bit complicated imo... a seperate file for white and black list folders would have been nicer
09:04:08JdGordonhey amiconn, logs says you fouind a bug in the menus? or was it the misc.h commit?
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09:04:24PaulJami like the approach to have both in the same file.
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09:05:38JdGordonok, well, I wont really use the fil anyway, so I guess im happy with it goin in as is...
09:07:06JdGordonalso... can someone look at 7134 from a ondio point of view please? the part about changing the mmc stuff to hotswap and hopfully not breakin the ondio at all....
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09:07:56pixelmais that something else than I tested?
09:08:17pixelma(have to admit that I didn't takee
09:08:23pixelmaa look yet
09:08:44JdGordonits been updated...
09:09:06JdGordonit _should_ work.. i'm more interested in how the code looks
09:09:14JdGordonI tried goi the target-tree route for it
09:09:43*JdGordon bbs
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09:16:36amiconnJdGordon: The new menu system, when used in plugins, has a bug. Pressing Left should leave the menu, but it does trigger the action instead
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09:21:15amiconnJdGordon: Maybe it's just because I'm not using it correctly...
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09:33:22midkayany devcon talk on 80GB 5.5Gs?
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09:34:06peturmidkay: they're busy with it this morning
09:34:48midkaypetur: sweet.. maybe just in time. my 5G 60GB seems to have decided to only output audio through one channel and it's not the headphone jack.. :\
09:34:56midkayonly replacement option is probably an 80GB 5.5G..
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09:44:49JdGordonamiconn: hmm... ok
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09:46:26JdGordonre the 80gb ipods changes.. If the sector size for other targets are changed for whatever reason, the e200b bootloader needs special attention or we could do something nasty with the db rebuild reset byte thing
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09:51:47JdGordonamiconn: hmm... quick check of the code looks like the keymaps are OK, so maybe you've done something wrong? can you paste up the patch somewherE/
09:52:29amiconnIf reading the code is enough: it happens in the wavrecord plugin I committed yesterday
09:54:58JdGordonoh, new api... I thought you were taling about the old api...
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09:56:46*JdGordon shold read full sentences
09:57:34JdGordonAh, I see what you doing... the selected_item param is always set on exit, even if the item was cancelled
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09:58:21JdGordonyou shouold just do swicth (rb->do_menu(&menu, &selected))
09:58:23B4gdermooo
09:58:26*petur is happy the devcon feed is images only, not sound... the bad jokes are unbearable
09:58:31JdGordonbuuurp
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10:00:16JdGordonamiconn: the point of the 2nd param is to set te selected item next time you enter, not really to find the one which the user went into
10:00:26amiconnAh ok
10:00:33JdGordonsetting it to NULL is perfectly acceptable
10:00:53JdGordon4 weeks till exams are over... then the whole thing wil get commented properly...
10:01:24amiconnBut then you're always at the first item when the menu is shown again, e.g. when returning from a setting?
10:02:15JdGordonno, as long as it stays in the do_menu() function it will remember tis position... but there you keep returning from it, so you should use that param
10:02:53amiconnI just took one of your examples...
10:03:03amiconn(and not properly as it seems)
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10:05:25JdGordonis one of the examples wrong?
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10:13:20JdGordonamiconn: Ok, looks like my examples were a bit wrong, ill fix them now
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10:21:50bluebrothergod morgon, devcon!
10:22:10B4gdergooood morgon!
10:22:11JdGordonB4gder: do you tihnk it wold be posible to setup somewhere that lang updaters could upload and commit changes without having to put a patch on fs?
10:22:31B4gderyes, we could give them commit access ;-)
10:22:53JdGordoncould do that too
10:22:59RedbrevaCassandra: Morning... Any reason why the RockAmp themes have been removed, but Rock_AMPED is still there? (it admits to being a colour variant of RockAmp)
10:23:40B4gderI think handing out commit acess for lang files would be fair
10:23:52B4gderwe could just ask the guys to commit lang files only
10:24:26JdGordonsomething like a simple web interface for them would be les admin work wouldnt it?
10:24:47B4gderit would take a lot more work to setup
10:24:49CassandraHuman error, I suspect.
10:24:52CassandraMine, that is.
10:25:11RedbrevaOK ;-) Just wandered
10:26:44JdGordonamiconn: all fixed
10:26:49CassandraIt's sometimes hard to judge. Themes inspired by a design are OK. Themes that copy the design outright, not.
10:27:11CassandraEven an inspired theme can be a problem, if it uses someone's logo.
10:27:48RedbrevaI know what you mean, the line between a iPod inspired and iPod ripoff especially, is very fine
10:28:25RedbrevaAnd all the BlackGlass variants which look a LOT like WMP
10:28:42CassandraExactly.
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10:29:33*B4gder prepares the Agenda for upcoming talking
10:29:36RedbrevaChanging topic, will the new flyspay display correctly in Firefox at anytime - it's fine in IE .. !!
10:29:45CassandraA lot of the themes with photos, it's impossible to tell whether or not the photo has copyright issues.
10:29:48Redbrevaor even flyspray
10:29:48B4gderRedbreva: ?
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10:29:54B4gderit shows fine in firefox too
10:30:00RedbrevaNot here!!
10:30:05B4gderthen reload
10:30:16B4gderyou probably use a cached old css
10:30:32RedbrevaOoops - Correct, sorry!!
10:30:36B4gder:-)
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10:33:40JdGordonI accidently deleted the "tasks I watch" search is there any way to get it back?
10:35:03peturadvanced?
10:36:13*JdGordon thinks the roadmap button shhuold be removed... 3 tasks to close before 3.0?
10:37:21CassandraAdd more tasks?
10:39:14bluebrotheradd more tasks!
10:39:21*bluebrother likes the roadmap button
10:39:32*B4gder does too
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10:46:41LinusNJdGordon: there?
10:47:05JdGordonyep
10:47:15LinusNi'm looking in the menu code
10:47:31LinusNas i see it, it does have support for submenus
10:47:49JdGordoncorrect
10:47:55LinusNbut do we use it?
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10:48:10JdGordonyeah, all the menus use it
10:48:43LinusNmaybe i'm mistaken then
10:49:11JdGordonhave a look at menus/main_menu.c at the very bottom.. the main menu is just a list of submenus
10:49:17LinusNok
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10:50:34JdGordoncan I request the following 2 things are on he agenda for the talks? viewports and the left button in the setting screens?
10:51:17LinusNwe talked viewports yesterday
10:51:35LinusNwhat about the left button?
10:51:55JdGordonremember the whole argment on weatehr it shhuold be cancel or accept?
10:52:16LinusNi think it should act randomly
10:52:22LinusNjust for fun
10:52:40B4gderand we document "try it a few times and see what happens"
10:53:26JdGordon6319 was the patch I did for i, but for some reason it was forgotten about... shhuold it be closed and we just accept it as it is? or change it?
10:53:29LinusNwe should shuffle the menu items as well
10:53:56hcsbut only the functions, not the names
10:54:13LinusNi don't really know, but in my opinion, left should not cancel
10:54:29B4gderJdGordon: speaking of patches, I could count to 13 patches still there submitted by you
10:54:33LinusNcancel is for lamers
10:54:42JdGordonB4gder: yeah, I rule :D
10:54:50JdGordonim goin through them closing them
10:54:50LinusNB4gder: yes, we always leave lame patches in the tracker to rot
10:54:55B4gderJdGordon: I say you should close them or commit them
10:55:05B4gdergreat
10:55:40JdGordondown to 12.. and one is a bug..
10:55:45JdGordonwithout a patch
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10:58:57JdGordoncomposed in id3 viewer screen? commit or close it?
10:59:43safetydanDoes anyone actually want the dithered mpeg player output instead of grayscale?
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11:01:43safetydaneh, gone now
11:03:17JdGordonOk, cleaned out my old patches
11:03:48*JdGordon would like to commit 6798 on non-scrolling targets
11:04:36B4gdernon-scrolling targets?
11:04:42LinusNwhat are non-scrolling targets?
11:05:16JdGordonbah, non-scroll wheel targets
11:05:26*JdGordon types too fast for brain
11:11:50LinusNJdGordon: can you explain a piece of menu code for me?
11:12:00LinusNline 580 in menu.c
11:14:40LinusNafaiu, it returns from a submenu to the current menu again, am i right?
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11:31:05bluebrotherah, something about the FS box on the front page: if you accidentially type a space in front of the number it breaks.
11:31:28bluebrotherwould be nice if this (and maybe an added FS#) would be stripped automatically
11:31:41bluebrothernot that it's a big deal ... would just be nice.
11:32:52B4gderI agree
11:33:05B4gdersomeone with javascript ninja abilities could perhaps fix it
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11:38:59Jungti1234hehehe..
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11:39:26peturJungti1234: hey long time no see ;)
11:39:37Jungti1234hi petur :D
11:40:08markunJungti1234: hey man!
11:40:20Jungti1234hey markun!
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11:41:49peturaustriancoder: any progress at the usb stack? :p
11:42:08austriancoderpetur: yeah.. got it working ;)
11:42:49pixelmaon a zune? ;)
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11:43:02Jungti1234I'm watching you now :)
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11:43:32*LinusN is confused by the menu code
11:44:00markun:)
11:45:07markunJungti1234: I told them you are famous in Korea now and get DAPs from iriver to test :)
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11:45:36austriancoderpetur: I have looked ad some open-source stacks and will make a summary.. also i have looked abit in mx31 usb hardware
11:45:37Jungti1234who? hehe
11:45:37peturlook
11:46:13markunJungti1234: look at the cam!
11:46:21markuntoo late..
11:46:36peturlook at the saved images :)
11:46:52Jungti1234haha
11:47:06markunJungti1234: which bug did you find btw?
11:49:23Jungti1234you can see about it in tracker
11:50:16Jungti1234http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7192
11:50:46safetydanWould file copying be faster if the CPU was boosted before the copy?
11:52:08Jungti1234markun?
11:52:37LinusNsafetydan: probably
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11:52:47austriancoderTracker is broken: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7134 - last attached patch can not be found :/
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11:59:11Jungti1234markun, checked it?
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12:01:55markunJungti1234: not yet
12:02:11mooshello here
12:02:40markunJungti1234: yes, looks strange
12:03:14JdGordonLinusN: yes
12:03:31moosBagder: I did read about svn access for language only, I'm candidate : ) I already thought to this in the past (even ask markun point of view)
12:03:45Jungti1234hello moos
12:04:02mooshello
12:04:42JdGordonLinusN: umm... hmm... line 580 is a comment.. do you want the code above or below it explained?
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12:07:19LinusNhmm, maybe i had changed the file
12:07:51Jungti1234markun: can you fix it?
12:08:37LinusNJdGordon: it's the if(current_submenus_menu != menu thing i'm thinking about
12:08:45markunJungti1234: I don't know
12:08:53markuncan take a look at it later
12:09:00markunwhere does the ' come from?
12:09:03Jungti1234ok
12:09:07Jungti1234um, I don't know
12:09:33Jungti1234it's cutted due to '.
12:10:00bluebrotherJdGordon, LOL at your closing comment to FS #5782 :D
12:10:17JdGordonLinusN: ah ok, the current_submenus stuff is needed to handle dynamic menus. that array is populated i the init_menu_lists(). that check is needed in case we went into a funciton which called do_menu(), because if it did then that array would be wrong
12:11:38LinusNi'm investigating FS #7176
12:12:08LinusNand it returns the wrong selected_item because do_menu() exits without unwinding the menu stack
12:14:00JdGordonI tinhk I rmember having a quick try at fixing it and one of the menus in onplay.c was using the wrong macro which caused some funnines.. it didnt fix it, but made it better
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12:15:44LinusNnow it stays in the wps context menu if you have selected reshuffle in the playlist menu, because the reshuffle menu has the same index as the rating menu item
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12:19:47peturmeeting time!
12:19:48B4gdertalk time
12:20:09peturprepare yourself for an empty webcam image ;)
12:20:16JdGordonnooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:20:45bluebrotherfreeze an image with people sitting around so we don't feel so lonely here!
12:21:00bluebrotheror replay the last hour or two ...
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12:34:09bluebrotherwhat happened to the recent svn table? Or am I the only one with that missing?
12:35:15n1snope, it's gone here too
12:44:45JdGordon? the row missing? or the whole table is gone?
12:44:48Jungti1234?
12:45:19Jungti1234what happened?
12:45:26*JdGordon doesnt know :p
12:46:03Jungti1234svn table is missing
12:46:17bluebrotherthe title is present, everything else is missing
12:46:24bluebrother(on the front page that is)
12:46:37JdGordonso it is!
12:46:47Jungti1234yep
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12:47:55ViljarHey, does Mpegplayer supports iPod minis?
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12:53:21ViljarAnyone? :)
12:54:13JdGordoncheck the wiki...
12:54:23JdGordonI think its supported, but dunno at what framerate
12:56:19JdGordon$ svn up
12:56:20JdGordonsvn: Can't open file '/sites/svn/rockbox/conf/passwd': Permission denied
12:56:22ViljarI saw the tick in front of the iPod mini on the wiki, but i haven't found any other information yet.
12:56:22JdGordonwtf?
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13:00:57Jungti1234hey, what's mean of 'Same As Source'?
13:02:04bluebrotherViljar, it does
13:02:23JdGordonJungti1234: umm.. whatever your comparing with Source is the same.. i.e not changed?
13:02:26bluebrotherit's only rather slow. Well, at least the last time I tried mpegplayer with elephants dream
13:02:54bluebrotherJdGordon, same here :(
13:03:25Jungti1234desc: when recording source frequency setting must follow source
13:03:25*JdGordon wonders if any of the devcon laptops have an audible notification for irc...
13:03:31Jungti1234but I can't understand..
13:03:55JdGordonping B4gder, Bagder, LinusN, amiconn, Cassandra, pixelma, petur, who else?
13:04:12Jungti1234haha
13:04:22bluebrotherJungti1234, when recording via optical input the sampling frequency is set by the source
13:04:40bluebrotheryou missed Zagor and markun
13:04:50JdGordondoh!
13:05:00bluebrotherbut I don't think they will hear it. If there is some audible hilighting around at all.
13:05:01Zagorso I won't react ;)
13:05:18bluebrotheruh-uh. Someone is watching ...
13:05:18JdGordonhehe
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13:05:25Jungti1234uh hahaha
13:05:46JdGordonZagor: also still getting heaps of php errors in fs... db stuffed or something?
13:05:56bluebrothermaybe I should shut up and wait for the problem to fix "itself" :)
13:06:29ZagorI hope not. can you give me some URLs?
13:06:46Jungti1234bluebrother: more easily...
13:07:03JdGordonZagor: next time I see one.. I got one when adding a comment
13:07:39ZagorI'll create a bug entry where we can collect all flyspray issues
13:07:50JdGordonruddy typical... didnt get one adding another comment
13:08:15JdGordonNotice: Undefined index: 0 in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 344
13:08:28JdGordonin http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/toplevel/proj1
13:08:37Zagoryeah I've seen that one too
13:09:03JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/proj1?do=index just gives me a white empty page
13:09:45ZagorI have allocated two hours now to try and fix some of these issues. Family life is tough :-)
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13:11:45JdGordonalso, love all the \' and \" 's in the comments
13:11:58Zagoryeah, it's in their faq. fix coming up.
13:12:06webguest73Hello! Are there any differences between the 5gb H10 and the 20gb h10? Thanks!
13:12:25bluebrotheryes. Different hard disk size
13:12:43webguest73I mean with Rockbox!!!
13:12:51bluebrother:D
13:12:53Zagorhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7194 is the flyspray bug
13:13:00bluebrotherif you are running Rockbox, no
13:13:20JdGordonZagor: not a bug, but is there a reason we cant edit asignments and delete comments?
13:13:26webguest73Okay. Thanks alot.
13:13:29JdGordonnot that we use asssignemtns (maybe we shold start thought)
13:13:33bluebrotherexcept for the hardware differences of course. All players have the same functionality unless it's impossible because of hardware reasons
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13:14:16bluebrothercategory manual? :o
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13:14:33ZagorJdGordon: I don't remember, really. I'll add those permissions and see if we get reminded :-)
13:15:01JdGordonI tihnk we had those permissions before..
13:15:06ZagorI'll wait with assignment though, until we work out if/how we want that used
13:15:30Zagoror, what the heck. assignment enabled too now.
13:15:51webguest05the badgers still haven't arrived yet.
13:16:33JdGordonoh joy... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?do=index&string=%20&type[]=&sev[]=&pri[]=&due[]=&dev=&cat[]=&status[]=open&order=&sort=&percent[]=&changedfrom=&closedfrom=&opened=&closed=&search_in_comments=&search_for_all=&reported[]=&only_primary=&only_watched=&closedto=&changedto=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&has_attachment= also gives me blank page
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13:17:15Zagorthat blank page thing is strange. I can't find an error message anywhere.
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13:17:48bluebrotherI think as we are allowed to edit everything that assignment is also included (but not shown as allowed)
13:18:38Jungti1234what is trigger type?
13:18:58bluebrotherFatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 40 bytes) in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/adodb/adodb.inc.php on line 2860
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13:19:06bluebrothertried to access index.php
13:19:11Jungti1234setting for what?
13:19:27bluebrothersetting on what event to start the recording
13:20:01Zagorbluebrother: aaah, maybe it's hitting the ram quota
13:20:40bluebrotherwow −− is FS that greedy on RAM?
13:20:49ZagorI have no idea :)
13:21:17JdGordonor mem leaks?
13:21:19Zagorotoh 8MB isn't very much
13:21:53bluebrotherdepending on your application ;-)
13:22:54JdGordonyour not going to say that <8mb is ideal for an mp3 player are you!
13:24:48*bluebrother wants to finish this IR receiver thingy for the h100 series −− using a tiny2313 with 2kiB flash and 128 Bytes SRAM :D
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13:44:19amiconnhttp://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/Devcon_team.jpg (~1.5MB)
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13:45:06*JdGordon thinks someone doesnt like smiling...
13:45:07Jungti1234handsome guys
13:46:30Jungti1234someone hide behind LinusN..
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13:51:10Jungti1234which player support alarm?
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13:56:27bluebrotherIpods do afaik.
13:56:31bluebrotherand some of the archos ones
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14:03:23JdGordonZagor: mime-type error... I gt asked if I want to dowload index.php opening http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?order=date&project=1&tasks=all&string=&type=&sev=&dev=&due=&cat=&status=&order2=&sort=&sort2=&date=&project=1&sort=desc&order2=&sort2=desc
14:03:45JdGordonand http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php
14:03:56Zagorsnafu by me. better now?
14:04:58Zagoror, wait. those are the blank pages?
14:05:18aliaskI get a blank page here
14:06:40JdGordonstill asked to download...
14:06:54ZagorJdGordon: which browser do you use?
14:06:58JdGordonthe downloaded file is blank though!
14:07:01JdGordonfirefox 2
14:07:09bluebrothernow I get a "Zero size replied" error from my proxy
14:07:13JdGordonno, 1.5
14:09:15bluebrotheraccessing a random task by the appropriate url works fine though
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14:13:56Jungti1234which ipod!!!!
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14:16:52JdGordonall the later ones i assume
14:17:06JdGordonLinusN: any chance of getting the h300 alarm going soonish?
14:17:10JdGordonpretty please :p
14:24:14bluebrotherlook for the CONFIG_RTC define in the config-*.h files
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14:27:56Zagorbluebrother: where did you get that message about memory limit in flyspray?
14:28:39bluebrotheron index.php (without anything else)
14:29:03bluebrothernow it's an empty page again
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14:36:29JdGordonyay index.php works
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14:38:23Zagorflyspray index page works again
14:39:26Nico_Pwhere are all the devcon guys ?
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14:42:44bluebrothernice. Tasklist works too :)
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14:44:40Nico_Pwow is this the latest flysrpay ?
14:44:50Zagorbluebrother: yeah, it was the same problem: too low memory limit.
14:44:58ZagorNico_P: yes
14:45:03Nico_Pvery nice
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14:45:51aliaskHehe, love the "overall progress" stat in the overview - 1% :D
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14:46:11JdGordondoes that include requests though?
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14:48:44LearDoesn't handle stuff like ' or " that well though...
14:49:02ZagorLear: i have a fix for that, coming soon
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14:51:46peturNico_P: we do have to eat sometimes....
14:52:02bluebrothersomething differen: shouldn't we ask users to use their real name on FS?
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14:53:00B4gderJdGordon: we all here basically agree that left should not cancel settings
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14:53:38*amiconn waves goodbye from devcon
14:53:39TrueJournalsI saw a bunch of updates, do any of them fix rockbox not booting on the Sansa/H10?
14:54:05webguest31Hacking the broadcom chip...?
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14:55:07bluebrotherhave a nice trip!
14:55:22webguest31* got high
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14:57:41FOAD_I seem unable to boot my iRiver H340 into the original mode. Help?
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15:00:55PaulJamFOAD_: there are several ways to boot the OF. how did you try to boot int the OF and what happened?
15:01:51FOAD_Circle button + play,
15:02:00FOAD_It get to "booting original firmware" then shuts down.
15:02:21PaulJamyou propaby don't holt the play button long enough
15:02:30FOAD_Okay, I'll hold it longer.
15:03:00FOAD_You are a wizard.
15:03:02FOAD_Thanks.
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15:04:25Zagorgot to go
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15:04:28B4gderoh, nice mail subject
15:06:16bluebrotherthe "B#" in front of the subject is missing
15:07:18*petur updated his pics page again
15:07:30*bluebrother wonders why FS doesn't have our notification subjects already implemented −− always the same subject is kinda inconvenient
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15:07:48B4gderamen
15:08:52*B4gder might have FS #6652 fixed
15:09:15*SaLoMoN Winamp 5.35 - Artist - Track 4 (playing) - 44kHz 192kbps stereo - 9m 21s long |>>>>>>>>>>> (49%)|
15:09:15peturamiconn and pixelma are now on their way to the airport
15:09:31peturSaLoMoN: no scripts please
15:10:27SaLoMoNyah sorry^
15:10:34SaLoMoNi used the wrong command
15:10:38TrueJournalsYay! The boot issue was fixed :-D
15:10:42FOADNot very wise.
15:10:42SaLoMoNso it posted it to all channels
15:10:43SaLoMoN:/
15:12:47robin0800wps tag %bc "c" if the unit is currently charging the battery (only on targets that have software charge control or monitoring
15:13:13robin0800any one know if this applies to ipods
15:13:22TrueJournalsYes, it does
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15:13:42robin0800good
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15:14:09robin0800now all ive got to do is to get it to work
15:15:14nickspoonIs there anybody here particularly knowledgeable about the workings of the X5?
15:15:20JdGordonB4gder: ok cool... except I remembered why left was cancel... its a keymap problem and might be slightly annoying to fix
15:15:42markunJdGordon: are you the button/actions guy?
15:16:14JdGordonI guess so...
15:16:39markunThere is a bug and I don't know where to look for it:
15:17:32markunsomehow button presses from the Gigabeat remote are ignored if hold is on and turns off the backlight, unless they are button repeats
15:17:49markunso skipping to the next song doesn't work in the WPS, but you can seek and change the volume
15:18:21markunlet me check the various combinations of hold and backlight
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15:19:21markundo you know where the problem could be?
15:19:59robin0800is there any thing wrong here %?bc<%xdE|> as it dosen't seem to work
15:21:33JdGordonmarkun: I dont see any remote button in keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c ... are the remote buttons being done differentely to the other targets?
15:21:46robin0800same code works for %bp but not for %pc
15:22:05*JdGordon sees your comit
15:22:21markun:)
15:22:26robin0800%bc of course
15:22:32markunbut it didn't change a thing
15:22:54markunthought it would be nice to commit it anyway to be more flexible
15:24:36JdGordonbug in the hold button code for the gb maybe?
15:24:45JdGordonthe keymap file looks fine after the update
15:25:47markunyou mean a long press or the hold switch?
15:25:57JdGordonyeah, it looks like you ignore all presses if the hold swithc is on? even remote ones?
15:26:25JdGordonoh, no, my bad
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15:27:26Jungti1234markun?
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15:28:48markunJdGordon: with the charger connected and 'backlight off while plugged in' I can't use the remote at all
15:31:20markunJdGordon: oops, I had the remote disconnected during that test ;)
15:31:30JdGordonhaha :)
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15:32:32JdGordonso how much of the not workin still doesnt work?
15:33:10EaglerayJust curious here, feel free to ignore me: How has the auto-build system been holding up under all the commits you guys have been churning out? (Thanks by the way). What happens if someone commits while the server is still building the previous commit?
15:34:21EaglerayAlso would like to say thanks guys, for a wonderful & high-quality OS for my DAP. Very much appreciated!
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15:35:24B4gderEagleray: the auto build system loves to work for us
15:35:29markunJdGordon: if I plug in the charger the remote buttons work, regardless of the status of the backlight
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15:36:01B4gderEagleray: if we commit while a build is going on, there will be another build when the current one finishes
15:36:21JdGordonmarkun: and remote buttons with hold on works?
15:36:23EaglerayB4gder: :-) Thanks
15:36:46B4gdercrap, flyspray broke
15:37:07markunJdGordon: no
15:37:28markunJdGordon: well, let me try with the remote on and backlight off but no charger connected
15:37:59JdGordonI wonder why backlight has anything to do with it.. although we had a similar bug with the h300 apparently? probably a bug i the bl code?
15:38:08markunwith backlight on it does work
15:38:57JdGordonhmm.. bug with the "first button enables backlight" setting maybe?
15:39:14*JdGordon gets shivers down spine while opening backlight.c
15:40:08B4gderaaaalways look on the bright side of liiiife
15:40:24B4gdersingalong time at devcon
15:40:24markunJdGordon: I tried all 8 combinations of backlight, remote and charger
15:40:49markunJdGordon: the only case where the buttons don't work is remote on, backlight off, charger off
15:41:06markunin all other combinations it works fine
15:41:26JdGordonwhats the backlight settings set to in the cfg?
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15:41:48markunthe brightness?
15:43:35JdGordonthe timeout settings
15:43:39JdGordon3 or 4 of them
15:43:41markunJdGordon: it also works if "backlight on hold" is set to normal and hold is on and the light times out
15:43:57JdGordondoes the remote have an lcd?
15:44:25markuncould there be a problem when the light is being turned on because of a button press but the hold prevents it because "backlight on hold" is "off" ?
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15:44:39markunno, doesn't have a LCD
15:45:16JdGordonits possible..
15:45:37markunwonder where this code is
15:45:42JdGordonis this the firs target with a remote with no lcd and the mai uint has a backlight?
15:45:48JdGordonbutton.c i tinhk
15:46:26JdGordonyeah, I tinhk im looking at the bug.. around line 240
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15:47:36markunah, the first_keypress..
15:48:01JdGordonthat whole else {} needs fixing with the #ifdefs
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15:49:04markunJdGordon: yes, disabling the "first keypress turns on backlight" setting fixes the problem
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15:50:06JdGordontry http://pastebin.ca/498483
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15:53:07Jungti1234bye all
15:53:44markunJdGordon: maybe the check for the remote button should be done first?
15:54:27JdGordonmeh, the cpu is more than fast enough... and it makes the mode look slightly more messy
15:54:30markunwell, it doesn't matter much I guess
15:55:48JdGordonre: the hxxx REC button (and the sansa one), wouldnt it be better if short press is rec screen and long is the uer defined action?
15:55:58LinusNno
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15:56:12LinusNyou don't want to enter the recording screen by accident
15:56:19JdGordonand, btw, if that patch is allowed in, we are goin to have a nightmare with people wanting evry button being customisable
15:56:25LinusNyes
15:56:39JdGordonI guess that makes sene
15:56:42LinusNand then we will seek them out and eliminate them
15:56:49JdGordon:)
15:56:51markunALL of them
15:56:56LinusNone by one
15:57:21LinusNthe rockbox fund will be spent on hiring hitmen
15:57:38JdGordonyou have enough for hitmen but not a plane ticket for us :'(
15:57:46LinusNmoney well spent i'd say
15:57:49JdGordonor are hitmen really cheap in sweden?
15:58:15JdGordonmarkun: did that patch work?
15:58:24jaczehack_hitmen ar sheep in sweden
15:58:31LinusNyes, contract killers are subsidized in sweden
15:58:35peturwe found a very cheap one in Australia, he's already on his way :p
15:58:42JdGordonawesome
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16:00:18markunJdGordon: thanks, problem solved
16:00:20LinusNjust fill in the names in the HitList page in the wiki
16:00:26markunJdGordon: can you commit it?
16:00:37markunbtw, there is a bugreport for it
16:00:59JdGordonwhats the FS #?
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16:01:41JdGordonwe realy do need a wiki page with all the HAVE_ defines and the assumptios on which are related
16:02:07markunJdGordon: can't find it, I'll let you know when I do
16:02:13bluebrotherreally? Why not just grep them out of the sources?
16:02:18B4gdersuch a page would be outdated in no time
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16:02:40B4gderimho, assumptions that HAVE_ defines are related should be enforced in source code
16:02:52JdGordonof course... but markun's problem was bcause of a wrong assumption, which im sure isnt the only one we have made
16:03:25B4gderno, I bet we have at least one bug remaining :-)
16:03:45B4gderbut how would a wiki page help us with that?
16:04:15JdGordonit would.. um... make them more obvious? i dunno
16:04:21JdGordonmarkun: commited
16:04:26B4gderyes and again, why would a wiki page help us with fixing that?
16:04:33B4gderarg
16:04:51*B4gder messes up
16:05:08JdGordonLinusN: did you see my comment in the menu bug task?
16:05:13markunJdGordon: thanks
16:05:54*JdGordon blames markun if the build isnt green :p
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16:06:53JdGordonanyone know the fs# of the rec button patch?
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16:07:55markunJdGordon: we might not commit the actual patch I think, depending on how it's implemented
16:07:57hidden_italianii?
16:08:23markunhidden_: probably not. Can you try english?
16:08:38hidden_the wps file
16:08:57JdGordonmarkun: I wanted to see how it was done... I have an idea how it might work well with the actio stuff.. and make buttonbar's more useful
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16:09:49bluebrotherJdGordon, fs#5555 iirc :)
16:10:18scorchewow @ "Legal Status"
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16:10:32bluebrotherhow about adding a dropdown list for choosing the build at the top of the svn builds page?
16:10:45hidden_my wps file doesn't works
16:11:01*JdGordon got an interesting page trying to get to tasklist in FS
16:11:06bluebrotherlike as quick access to the download table −− could solve the problem of that blind guy on the ml
16:11:19JdGordonit sort of timeot'ed and im looking at the sql command
16:13:33desowinis tracker down ?
16:13:53CassandraI may have let my tnedency to use long words run away with me there, sorry.
16:14:06desowinoh, mysql error pop'ed up
16:14:48B4gderseems to be a veeery solid release this new one
16:14:54obodesowin: thanks for fixing that patch - I can't believe I missed it :)
16:14:59LinusNJdGordon: your patch solves the problem nicely
16:14:59B4gderrestarting mysql solves the hang
16:15:15desowinobo: :-)
16:15:18JdGordonB4gder: no space left on wwww.rockbox
16:15:33B4gder?
16:15:37JdGordonLinusN: but is it correct?
16:15:52LinusNi think it looks ok
16:15:55JdGordon http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20070520T140423Z&type=iPod%20Nano%20-%20Simulator
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16:16:27B4gderhm
16:16:38JdGordonLinusN: I mean, does it make sense to always set to the selection from the menu do_menu was called from?
16:17:01JdGordonprobably caused the sql errors on FS also
16:17:19LinusNJdGordon: i think so, yes
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16:17:25*bluebrother wonders about the h100 record button things ...
16:17:43*JdGordon is scared by his patch
16:17:48bluebrotherso "adopting" that patch means add something unconfigurable?
16:18:22bluebrotherJdGordon, "his" or "this" patch? ;-)
16:18:30JdGordon5555
16:18:52bluebrotherhehe. I thought you wouldn't be scared by one of your own patches ;-)
16:19:07JdGordonby all means, rec shuold goto rec... but that much configuration really is just settings bloat
16:19:25bluebrotherconfigurable button is no good
16:19:32JdGordonand the way he did it isnt very nice imo
16:19:44bluebrotherhaven't looked into the code
16:20:12bluebrotherwhy not use short rec for the backlight only? If it does something else a couple of people will miss it
16:20:26LinusNnot if it is configurable
16:20:40B4gder... and short press does backlight only by default
16:20:44bluebrotherit's quite nice that the ipod can turn on the backlight by simply tapping the scroll wheel
16:20:57*bluebrother really dislikes configurable buttons
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16:28:01LloreanAlso if you make the record button configurable, people with targets without one will start claiming it's unfair they don't get a configurable button, I suspect
16:28:17*DerPapst is reading the DevCom wiki page... "To find out whether the Ipod 5.5G 30GB has 32 or 64MB memory, we suggest attempting to run a 64MB build on one." Afaik only the 60GB and the 80GB iPod video have 64MB ram.
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16:28:50B4gderDerPapst: you actually know that the 30GB 5.5 has 32MB ?
16:29:38JdGordonLlorean: unless a user has both I doubt they would even know that some targets could do that and some couldnt
16:29:57JdGordonbarely anyone reads the manuals.. let alone the manual or a target they dont own
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16:30:20LloreanI think word would get around
16:30:20markunhi gtkspert
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16:30:45LloreanAre there really that many things a button could do that it needs to be configurable?
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16:31:13*bluebrother votes for "no"
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16:31:43*B4gder voted no as well ;-)
16:31:49*LinusN adds a name to HitList
16:32:10JdGordonLinusN votes yes?
16:32:25LinusNactually i did
16:32:26CassandraDerPapst, the point is, we're not sure whether or not the 5.5G 30GB has 32MB or 64MB.
16:32:33*bluebrother looses his faith
16:32:37LinusNhahaha
16:32:47*Cassandra votes for more badgers.
16:32:55LloreanI mean, I can see "configurability" if that means, say, two options.
16:33:03CassandraTHat's a policy we can all get behind, I feel.
16:33:03LloreanLike an option that says "Record button backlight only"
16:33:04LinusNor 4
16:33:17LloreanWhat are the 4?
16:33:21DerPapstmmmhh.. well i'm also not 100% sure about this as well. (the default "i read it somewhere" reason)
16:33:24LinusNi dunno really
16:33:56bluebrotherso what could that button do on a short press? It could be used as sensible shortcut in the currently shown screen
16:34:05CassandraAh, was that the sweet sweet sound of someone's innocence shattering? My work for today is done.
16:34:10DerPapstLinusN: do you have the 5.5G 30GB or 80GB model?
16:34:12LloreanI mean, I personally don't see too many "it's so useful it's worth making it configurable" uses for the button, personally
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16:34:18Lloreanbut that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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16:34:27bluebrotherbut when it is a shortcut for changing to something completely different ... wouldn't that be prone to missuse?
16:34:28JdGordonWhat about allowing it to be customizable for any menu or button accessable from that screen...? It would have t be configured by a text file, but it would be sweet
16:34:41LloreanBut I can see the use of a dedicated light-tap backlight button, for some people
16:35:08LloreanSo an option between using it for the backlight, and for one chosen function, I wouldn't object to.
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16:35:13bluebrotherI could think of using a short press on that button as shortcut, and provide an option to turn it off.
16:35:14CassandraActually I think the absolute silliest thing we can do is to just not use the button.
16:35:26LinusNamen to that
16:35:34bluebrotherwe're doing that since quite a while ... ;-)
16:35:35*JdGordon dittos that
16:35:44LloreanBut I personally think either the FM Radio or the Playlist Viewer are the more obvious views of the button.
16:36:02bluebrotherI agree that we should use the button. But I don't think it should be configurable
16:36:04LloreanFM Radio makes it really easy to record the radio, and playlist viewer seems to be what a lot of people would like to use it for.
16:36:29bluebrotherit could be a shortcut to the playlist from the wps.
16:36:58LloreanFM radio from the menus, Playlist from the WPS/Filetree/Database?
16:37:21bluebrothersomething like that
16:37:24JdGordon... or a 2nd quickscreen everywhere?
16:37:33LinusNthe people that never use the radio will of course complain
16:37:36bluebrotherI only fear the confusion because its function changes ...
16:37:48bluebrotherthere will always be people complaining ;-)
16:37:59CassandraThe thing is, evenyone thinks the use for the button is "obvious" and they all think what it should do is different.
16:38:05bluebrother2nd quickscreen? And what to do for all other devices?
16:38:19JdGordoncant please everyone....
16:38:35bluebrotherthey obviously haven't discussed what's obvious ;-)
16:38:41CassandraAllowing any of the main menu options provides flexibility without opening the door too far to anarchy in my opinion.
16:38:43JdGordonbtw, the sansa has the rec button and not all have the fm... so thats another annoyin thing we cant use it for
16:38:45LloreanLinusN: And the people who never use Recording don't want long press to go there, I'm sure.
16:38:56LinusNdefinitely so
16:39:10LinusNthe long press should be configurable as well
16:39:16*LinusN hides
16:39:19bluebrotherI disagree.
16:39:21JdGordonwhy stop there then?
16:39:27JdGordonconfigureable play
16:39:30bluebrotherwhere was that HitList again?
16:39:35CassandraYou've gotta stop somewhere.
16:39:36LloreanI don't think people should've bought a recording device if they don't expect a button to be used for recording
16:39:47LinusNJdGordon: that's as far as we want to go
16:39:48LloreanThere are plenty of players without recording functionality, and often you pay more for it.
16:40:21bluebrotherwhen do you long-press a button anyway? Only if you really need to
16:40:26JdGordonthe scary (?) thing is though, that with a little config parsing, we could make the ui entirely configurable.
16:40:33bluebrotheri.e. context menu
16:40:34JdGordonthanks to actions and the new menu api
16:40:39LinusNJdGordon: let's not go there
16:40:59bluebrotherwe could do a lot. But do we want this? I don't think so.
16:41:10JdGordonI agree... but the code to configure one button properly, is the same as configuring 100
16:41:49LinusNJdGordon: just don't tell anyone :-)
16:42:05*JdGordon votes short press is rec and long press is fm
16:42:09bluebrotherI think it's only mostly the same. Not exactly :)
16:42:19LloreanLong press should be record, I think.
16:42:27JdGordonthe button is named rec....
16:42:29LloreanTo prevent accidentally filling your HD up with clutter easily
16:42:40bluebrotherjust look what Iriver printed on the player: long is rec.
16:42:58bluebrotheras we use the play button the same as it's printed too, why not do this for the rec button as well?
16:43:02JdGordonits a dot on my h300...
16:43:43JdGordonLlorean: we could have a confirmation before leaving the wps?
16:44:39bluebrotherwoha? Then we need a confimation of the stop button as well
16:45:20*JdGordon wonders how sansa can get away with a total of 10 settings for the whole system
16:45:24JdGordonwe have >180
16:45:29bluebrothersimplification?
16:45:42bluebrothernot having any features except play and stop?
16:46:04JdGordonor not having to listen to angry users who want settings bloat
16:46:44bluebrotherwho wants settings anyway? Remove all settings and set what's best for the user. MS shows us how this works since years!
16:47:58*petur puts Linus on the hitlist 3 times
16:48:05peturjust to be sure
16:48:35bluebrotherbecause of the ESD sandals? *g*
16:48:50LinusNhahaha
16:49:39peturI'm debugging why I don't get USBOTG power on his unit, which turned out to be the US model
16:50:05JdGordonhehe silly bugger :)
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16:50:15Domonoky:-) that are the best bugs :-)
16:50:19*JdGordon 's us model has had the usbotg hack done
16:50:20Jungti1234I can't connect tracker page
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16:52:25AceNikhey guys can someone commit this patch of sokoban, #6702
16:52:36AceNikits really slick
16:52:47bluebrothertracker is down for me too.
16:52:53Jungti1234yes..
16:53:21B4gderthe tracker is clearly in a very crappy state now
16:53:23Lloreanbluebrother: Try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=1
16:53:37LloreanThe basic index page doesn't work, you have to have at least a type or a filter of some sort
16:53:56bluebrotherLlorean, Zagor fixed that shortly ago
16:54:00Jungti1234Query { SELECT t.*, lc.category_name AS category_name, MAX(h.event_date) AS event_date, ......
16:54:24B4gderdevcon is about to close
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16:54:34B4gderfor this time
16:54:37bluebrotherjumping directly to a task also doesn't work
16:54:45bluebrotherlooks like something times our
16:54:53AceNikwhat its over so soon ?
16:55:05Lloreanbluebrother: Ah, it was working for me.
16:55:21LloreanSorry
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16:55:33bluebrotherok, for the logs: I get "Got error 28 from storage engine" now
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16:55:45AceNikB4gder:you all leaving already?
16:55:49bluebrother*sic* fun's all over :o
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16:56:37JdGordonand on that note... /me is gonig to bed
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16:57:10eMbHey, when it says that the sansa e200 series is supported, does this include the e2XX (eg e280) or not?
16:57:12bluebrotherhow much beer is left btw?
16:57:43Jungti1234bye
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16:58:24DomonokyeMb: it means all e2XX but no e2XXR :-)
16:58:32eMbawesome, thanks
16:59:11eMbmight be getting one tonight for ~100 USD
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16:59:26eMbbut probably not, bidding always goes insane during the last few minutes
16:59:36LinusNtime to call it a day
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17:27:14barrywardelldoes anyone know why the last two attached files in FS #7134 are giving a "File does not exist anymore." error when I try to download them?
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17:43:53barrywardellnow FS isn't working at all - I just get SQL statements. Anyone have any ideas?
17:44:48scorche<B4gder> the tracker is clearly in a very crappy state now
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18:10:30xvlunhi everybody. i got a strange problem with rockbox (the heavily patched sound improved anythingbutipod build) and the original firmware. the original fw seems to be catched in a database update loop. every time i try to boot it it updates the database, reboots (i use the left ky then of course) and starts again to update the database. is this a known problem?
18:10:54Lloreanxvlun: Please don't ask for help with other people's builds here.
18:11:10LloreanThey've made changes to the software and we can't predict or know what side effects those changes have.
18:11:26bluebrotherxvlun, also, you haven't told us what player you are talking about.
18:11:34Lloreanbluebrother: e200, I'll wager
18:11:48bluebrotheryou might want to try the Unsupported Builds forum and look for the build you're using (if it's present there)
18:11:52xvlunsoryy, yes its an e270
18:12:20bluebrotherLlorean, guessed that too, but guessing is usually not a good idea when looking for help ;-)
18:12:31xvlunok, i always wondered what the purpose of this subforum was ;9
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18:19:48xvlunanyway. to me it seems more like a problem with the original fw then one with rockbox. has anyone in here ever experienced such behaviour?
18:21:23Lloreanxvlun: If it has nothing to do with Rockbox at all, this isn't the right place either, though.
18:21:40xvlunouch
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18:22:44LloreanBut upon booting the bootloader can modify a bit that tells the original firmware to update the database, so a modified bootloader or Rockbox could very easily cause such problems.
18:23:14XavierGrah Devcon ended, too bad :(
18:23:39xvlunis there a way to set this bit manually
18:23:45XavierGrI hope the west version will be as good and productive as this
18:23:46crashddid we get any kickass updates for devcon? ;)O
18:24:05scorchecrashd: see the wiki page
18:24:15crashdwww.rockbox.org/devcon2007?
18:24:39scorcheXavierGr: i hope so too, although there will likely be a bit less of the super-official talks
18:25:25Lloreanxvlun: Yes, but you'd have to read the source code and see which bit it is, I have no clue where or what it is.
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18:27:59Lloreanscorche: Do you know if they had specific objections to the "Ultima" theme that's been put forth as a new candidate for default?
18:28:03barrywardellxvlun: the latest official Rockbox bootloader disables database rebuild for the 1.00.12E and 1.01.11A when the usb cable is connected
18:28:40scorcheLlorean: no clue
18:29:00Lloreanbarrywardell: But nobody should be using that one.
18:29:19LloreanAt least, nobody who's followed the official instructions, rather
18:29:29barrywardellI should have been clearer. I meant the latest version included in sansapatcher
18:29:48LloreanOh, right, version numbers.
18:29:53LloreanThe new one includes other versions too, right?
18:30:09barrywardellyeah, it adds 1.00.12A too
18:30:30LloreanWhich is I guess what version I'm running.
18:30:40barrywardellwe should probably tag bootloader versions in svn
18:30:51LloreanAre buttons working in the bootloader again?
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18:30:56barrywardellnot yet, no
18:31:05LloreanAnd do MI4 builds work again?
18:31:15barrywardellmi4 builds?
18:31:17LloreanEarlier Rockbox on the MI4 targets wasn't starting
18:31:21LloreanThis was yesterday
18:31:27LloreanI didn't see a commit that specifically mentioned fixing this
18:31:44bluebrothersomeone said it's working again earlier today
18:32:00LloreanAlright
18:32:48xvlunbut it doesn't do for 1.02.x?
18:33:12Lloreanxvlun: It still shouldn't loop forever.
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18:33:57barrywardellLlorean: oh, I hadn't heard about that. was that a bootloader problem?
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18:34:28barrywardellxvlun: no, not yet. it's not too hard to add, but needs someone to do it
18:34:45Lloreanbarrywardell: No, it was a build problem, I think
18:35:03Lloreanbarrywardell: Using the same bootloader, the bootloader started reporting the "length" of the binary as much smaller than it should be.
18:36:05barrywardellweird. Is that in the IRC logs?
18:37:49Lloreanbarrywardell: See at about 19:57 in the 5/19 log
18:38:14xvluncan i use recovery mode to uninstall sansa bootloader? how can this be done to cut the loop?
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18:39:18barrywardellxvlun: one option is to use recovery mode, yes
18:39:44barrywardellwhen in recovery mode, put a PP5022.mi4 file with the SanDisk OF in it on
18:39:53barrywardelland that should upgrade the firmware
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18:40:30barrywardellIf you still have problems, go into recovery mode again and put the PP5022.mi4 file on the disk and also create an empty file called sansa.fmt
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18:40:40barrywardellthat will format your disk and wipe your files, so beware!
18:42:10xvlunthat should be no problem when it doesn't brick the device
18:42:13*barrywardell had to do that recently with a friend's sansa
18:42:42barrywardellas long as you only put those two files on and the sansa.fmt file is empty it shouldn't brick it
18:46:10xvlunso regardless which version of sansa of is used this (http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/SKU_E-PP5022.mi4) will be the right file?
18:47:26xvlun(european version)
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18:50:44xvlunbarrywardell, so regardless which version of sansa of is used this (http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/SKU_E-PP5022.mi4) will be the right file?
18:51:38barrywardell_yes, if you don't have a radio on your sansa
18:51:44barrywardell_i use this file: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/1.01.11A/PP5022.mi4
18:52:23barrywardell_that is for the american (with radio) version
18:52:55barrywardell_regardless of which file you use
18:53:07xvluneuropean version is perfect...
18:53:10barrywardell_make sure it's called PP5022.mi4 when you put it on the player
18:55:24xvlunok, thank you very much
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19:00:51grauehi. i have never owned a digital audio player. i want to buy one specifically to use rockbox on. which one should i buy?
19:02:00LloreanIt depends on how you intend to use it
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19:02:06LloreanAnd what requirements you have from a player
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19:04:06barrywardell_Llorean: I can boot builds from the 19th and 18th fine here. I dunno what the problem was but it's not happening now so I guess it fixed itself
19:04:29LloreanAlright
19:06:35ViljarAre videos viewable on mini with Mpegplayer? I mean how much fps?
19:06:44ViljarI mean iPod mini..
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19:08:06LloreanVery slow on grayscale targets
19:08:22bluebrotherslow. I'd call it unusable.
19:08:31bluebrotherat least if you want to actually _watch_ a video
19:08:42LloreanYou can probably listen to them fine
19:09:37ViljarOkay, ipl can play uncompressed videos on minis too right?
19:09:52LloreanDunno
19:09:59LloreanMost of us don't use iPL
19:10:04LloreanAlso, our videos aren't uncompressed
19:10:13ViljarI know, i know..
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19:11:00ViljarI'm impressed, that my nano can play uncompressed videos at 30fps, really, wow..
19:11:07Viljarcompressed*****
19:11:10Viljar:D
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19:40:54graueLlorean: well, mainly for listening to music
19:41:17grauebut i have also thought it would be cool if i could write some music making software and compose some bleep-bloop type music on the go
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20:49:50amiconnBagder: Seems www.rockbox.org needs some care - see the ipod color sim build...
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21:11:10Nico_Pthe tracker is down too
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21:22:46major_worksToni: Around?
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21:25:29Toni1again a red build, but not caused by my changes.
21:25:55major_worksToni: It doesn't compile for me. Errors in the audio driver.
21:26:25Toni1major_works: what kind of error?
21:26:52Toni1The build server did compile fine on the sansa
21:27:30major_worksToni1: Hold on... I can't get it to copy over out of Cygwin... I'm fairly new to this stuff.
21:28:01Toni1ah, ok
21:28:26Lloreanmajor_works: Your SVN is definitely clean, and a clean build directory?
21:28:36major_worksdrivers/audio/as3514.c: In function 'audiohw_enable_output':
21:28:36major_worksdrivers/audio/as3514.c:151: error: syntax error before '<<' token
21:28:36major_worksdrivers/audio/as3514.c: At top level:
21:28:36DBUGEnqueued KICK major_works
21:28:36major_worksdrivers/audio/as3514.c:141: warning: unused parameter 'enable'
21:28:37major_worksdrivers/audio/as3514.c:162: error: initializer element is not constant
21:28:37***Alert Mode level 1
21:28:37major_worksdrivers/audio/as3514.c:163: error: syntax error before '>>' token
21:28:39major_worksdrivers/audio/as3514.c:176: error: syntax error before numeric constant
21:28:48LloreanPlease follow our channel guidelines
21:28:57major_worksLlorean: Sorry about the guidelines.
21:29:11LloreanHave you read them yet, if not please do now.
21:29:14major_worksLlorean: No, I suppose it's not clean in that I have various patches in it.
21:30:48major_worksOK, I'll drop out now and read the guidelines again. I was just trying to answer Toni's question.
21:30:48major_worksthat was only some of the error messages that came up, btw.
21:30:49ZagorI'm temporarily disabling access to the tracker
21:34:59major_worksToni1: Question: Are the changes you just made dependent upon your earlier audio patch, or do these supersede that patch?
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21:36:14Toni1major_works: No, theses changes are independent, so that patch is still necessary
21:37:00major_worksToni1: I don't know what else I may have had in my local SVN that would have caused a build to fail.
21:37:25major_worksToni1: I'll have to experiment and see what else might have caused it. Thanks for your help.
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21:38:25Toni1major_works: A more simple solution to the channel swapping is: setting IISFIFO_CFG |= 0x22; in i2s-pp.c
21:38:39***Alert Mode OFF
21:39:19major_worksToni1: OK, perhaps I'll try that. I do also have Christian's audio-API patch in my build, and that modifies as3514.h. Maybe that's the problem.
21:39:20Toni1(instead of IISFIFO_CFG |= 0x33;)
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21:43:07peturneed emergency linux help: my h300 won mount anymore, claims fat issues. How to check/fix on linux?
21:43:37Nico_Ppetur: I had this issue and never found a way around it
21:43:49Nico_Pyou can try chkdsk.vfat though
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21:45:54Nico_Ppetur: for me the fix was a new HD from iriver
21:46:08peturoh thank you very much :/
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21:46:50Nico_Preally sorry. mine did mount correctly in windows though
21:47:01Nico_Poh
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22:04:11donutman25hey guys
22:04:21donutman25wats wrong with flyspray
22:04:25donutman25?
22:04:40Zagor21:30 <Zagor> I'm temporarily disabling access to the tracker
22:04:56donutman25ok
22:05:01donutman25why?
22:05:02Zagorthere's a performance problem I want to fix
22:05:18Zagorotherwise it bogs down the server
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22:05:28donutman25ok cool thanks
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22:08:16Zagorpetur: welcome home :-)
22:08:30petureh?
22:09:21ZagorI assumed you're back home now?
22:09:31peturi'm in bromma
22:09:31bluebrotherpetur, on linux it's fsck.vfat
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22:09:51peturwait, i'm on the i-phone
22:09:51Zagorpetur: aha
22:10:19amiconnZagor: Did you notice the disk space problem on www as well?
22:10:47Zagordisk space? no
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22:11:08ZagorI have a ram/cpu problem though
22:11:14amiconnCheck the ipod color build in the table...
22:11:20Zagorthe new flyspray is doing something weird
22:11:47amiconnyeehah!
22:12:05*amiconn just saw the rockbox logo on the G5.5/80GB :-D
22:12:18Nico_Pnice news
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22:13:33Zagoramiconn: that's weird. /tmp on that server is 7 GB...
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22:13:58bluebrotheroh, amiconn got an 80G?
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22:14:19amiconnbluebrother: Linus lent me his. I'll send it back when done
22:14:27a1titudeIs devcon over?
22:14:32bluebrotheryes.
22:14:37peturno
22:14:41petur:)
22:14:47bluebrothersadly :'-(
22:14:55a1titudeerr, way to confuse me! =P
22:15:02midkayamiconn: rockbox up and running on that 80G? :)
22:15:06alienbiker99oh wow nice
22:15:20bluebrotherdevcon was really fun. Even without me participating personally.
22:15:38amiconnWriting does not yet work (i.e. isn't implemented yet), but reading should be working in a minute or so. The bootloader already does.
22:15:39bluebrother(at least it was fun for me, I hope it was for the others too ;-)
22:16:03a1titudeyeah, I was watching it from here, and I actually enjoyed beeing on the irc and watching the webcam
22:16:08midkayamiconn: that's great news. :)
22:16:24*amiconn can browse files :)
22:16:32bluebrotherhow come it's going that fast? Different approach?
22:16:36a1titudeSo 80GB is actually in the near future?
22:16:43amiconnNow it panicked because it was unable to update the fat
22:17:20*amiconn copies some music
22:18:43a1titudethats really good news
22:18:56midkayamiconn: do you think write support will be much work?
22:19:11a1titudemaby my 80GB won't be cramped by the official firmware for much longer.... ?
22:19:33amiconnmidkay: Nope, should be straightforward
22:20:31midkayamiconn: very cool. i see on the devcon page that the fix would result in some "inefficiencies". anything major?
22:21:06amiconnI don't expect a major impact
22:21:55midkayhmm. it'd be interesting to see some benchmarks or comparisons.
22:22:05Lloreanbluebrother: Instead of a full fix, they're doing a fix just for the 80gb builds, iiuc.
22:22:28pearldivermarkun nice commits!
22:22:39a1titudenice
22:23:15bluebrotherah, the adjust ata instead of fat approach
22:23:22amiconnyes
22:23:26*bluebrother just went re-reading the devcon page.
22:23:42bluebrotherdoing too much things at the same time isn't a good idea :(
22:25:06a1titudeso, what are the advantages or supporting all 64MB (of ram?) on the iPod Videos?
22:26:50midkaytwice the memory = far more room to buffer music = better battery life.
22:27:15element_gonly if you play continuously though
22:27:16scorcheunless you skip often
22:27:27element_ghi everyone btw
22:27:29a1titudethats good news! :)
22:27:31a1titudehi
22:27:57midkaywell, not necessarily continuously - you can fit many tracks in that buffer. skipping an odd one won't make a big difference. but right, it isn't useful if you're all over the place.
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22:28:18a1titudecool. still more batterylife is good news
22:28:19amiconnHmm, interesting
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22:28:24Sivart0bleh
22:28:28Sivart0hello people
22:28:31a1titudehi
22:28:33amiconnThe debug menu says the G5.5/80 has a PP5022C
22:28:42element_ganyone know how to add a new page to the wiki so that it ends up with the address
22:28:42element_gtwiki/bin/view/Main/new page name here
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22:29:22a1titudeamiconn: is that bad news?
22:29:23AkiyukiAnyone ever use ipodwizard?
22:29:24midkayelement_g: just put the new page name there, and when it says "page not found" press create or whatever.
22:29:30Sivart0Akiyuki: i have
22:29:32LloreanAkiyuki: This channel is about Rockbox
22:29:36a1titudeI've used ipodwizzard before
22:29:37LloreanPlease take questions about other software elsewhere
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22:29:48a1titudebut this isn't the place to be asking about it
22:29:55element_gmidkay: thanks
22:30:09Domonokybetter use rbutil, :-)
22:30:17amiconna1titude: No, just interesting information for devs
22:30:18AkiyukiSivart0, It detected the device, but most of the options are grayed out
22:30:45*amiconn keeps plasma.rock running while trying to get writing support added
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22:30:55Sivart0i havent used it in a long time
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22:31:06amiconnMusic doesn't play yet because the fat driver panics everytime it tries to save settings
22:31:09LloreanSivart0, Akiyuki: This is not the right place
22:31:27Sivart0i know
22:31:29Sivart0i'm just saying
22:31:42a1titudeU need to open firmware from the ipod, besides that goto http://www.ipodwizard.net/
22:31:50a1titudesorry,
22:32:09LloreanYes, I'm sure you're sorry, but apparently not sorry enough to actually try to follow the rules and simply use PMs
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22:39:57a1titudeIs there any reason for the ipod 60GB and the 80GB to have more memory than the 30GB's? Sorry for the odd question i just can't understand it.
22:43:07n1sa1titude: maybe apple keeps the entire itunes database in memory at the same time, and you can fit a whole lot of aac's on an 80 gb...
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22:43:51Rincewindhey
22:44:06Zagorthe tracker is opened again
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22:44:43RincewindI just read the devcon2007 wiki page and I was totally knocked off my chair when I read that my rec button patch is to be accepted!
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22:45:03badsheepyi wonder then, if uploading a whole load of tiny aac files would make the db too big for ram
22:45:17RincewindIf there is anything I can do to improve it, please tell me!
22:45:38bluebrotheroh, there has been quite some discussion here ...
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22:46:28a1titudebadsheepy: this is still thearetical, it might not load the databace into ram, right?
22:46:31obo_quick question: I'd like to start hacking rockbox code. I have decent C and some asm knowledge. Can anyone suggest a starting point. Pref. something that I can play with on the simulator, as my e200's jack is fcked :(
22:46:41Rincewindand the Left no cancel in menus is great, too.
22:46:57badsheepyyeah, just the first thing that popped to mind when you said that was how to break it :)
22:46:58amiconnLadies and gentleme, we have sound! :)
22:46:58ThundercloudThere hasn't actually been an actual "release" for a while now has there?
22:47:16ThundercloudNevertheless, I haven't used rockbox in like half a year, but I do enjoy seeing progress in it.
22:47:27ThundercloudI'll be taking a course on embedded systems next year, so it's quite interesting to see all this.
22:47:29Domonokyobo_: i would suggest starting with a plugin..
22:47:31Zagorwhee, graphs! http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6574/depends
22:47:40a1titudebadsheepy: yeah, maby, but I bet apple has the iPod stable enough to somehow comeup with a workaround.
22:47:41peturamiconn: woohoo
22:47:46Domonokyamiconn: whooo :-)
22:47:50amiconnThat means, there is write support.
22:48:03bluebrotheramiconn, cool. Awaiting the announcement email :D
22:48:08amiconnNow to put it under some heavy testing...
22:48:26obo_Domonoky: Thanks. Is there a need for anything in particular?
22:48:38amiconnI dunno whether it's worth a gentleme mail, because it's not a completely new target...
22:48:42n1sZagor: nice :-)
22:48:46amiconnBlah
22:48:56*amiconn already lost the n from gentlemen 2 times
22:48:59Domonokyobo_: take a look at the feature request, or make a litte game :-)
22:49:08peturamiconn: I think you should
22:49:19Thundercloudamiconn: What are you working on BTW?
22:49:33amiconnipod 5.5G / 80GB support
22:49:37ThundercloudAhhh excellent
22:49:38Domonokyamiconn: continue the tradition, we need a mail :-)
22:49:44Rincewindwow
22:49:48ThundercloudThat's the one with the really fucking stupid write system isn't it?
22:50:15Zagoramiconn: it is a very much awaited target, so I think a mail is in order
22:50:19bluebrotherit is.
22:50:35bluebrotherZagor, flyspray is getting nice :)
22:51:24Zagorbluebrother: yeah
22:52:35bluebrotherso, may I ask what the problem was?
22:53:46oboobo_: hmm, slightly confusing on the nick front...
22:53:54XavierGrgrats amiconn, good news indeed, I think a mail would be best suited to follow the tradidion
22:53:56Zagorbluebrother: I
22:54:33obo_sorry other obo. I've been using this nick for a while but In all fairness you were here first.
22:54:45Zagor'm not sure what specifically solved the graph issue/errors. but there is a bug that can bog down mysql completely, which I now avoid triggering. and that helps a lot of other things too...
22:54:49a1titudewhen do you think the 80GB will be avalable for the public?
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22:55:32obozobo: :)
22:55:43zoboobo, better ?
22:56:08obototally your choice, but fine by me...
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22:56:35bluebrothera bug in Flyspray? Didn't they tell on their website the release was quite good? :o
22:59:15XavierGrZagor: maybe you know this, but have you checked the attachment picture? It seems cropped.
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22:59:40ZagorXavierGr: attachment picture?
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23:00:13ZagorXavierGr: oh, you mean the paperclip?
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23:01:37LloreanjhMikeS: Is it certain the e200 doesn't have a line? (specifically, through the dock port like later iPods?)
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23:03:57XavierGrZagor: yes
23:03:58jhMikeSLlorean: not certain at all, but it's not there now
23:04:23LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, that makes sense, I was just curious if someone had worked it out.
23:04:41jhMikeSI think I goofed the waverecord when fixing it cause it'll include the FM Radio count won't it? :\
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23:05:09*jhMikeS better rethink it real quick
23:05:13ZagorXavierGr: I think it's meant to look like that. it would be a lot of work to have the image shown outside the box too.
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23:09:42*amiconn needs to install the font package
23:10:03amiconnAlthough, the default font _is_ readable on the ipod video, it's just a bit tiny...
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23:10:25bluebrotherI think that is what the most Ipod users say ... it's tiny
23:11:07Hammer89Have any changes been made in the past week or two that will require installing a newer bootloader?
23:11:32bluebrotherHammer89, what player? Ipod?
23:11:37Hammer89Sansa
23:12:34barrywardellno, the sansa bootloader has not changed since 23 March
23:12:41Hammer89Okay... thanks :)
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23:13:31Hammer89I thought I saw something in the chage-log a few days back... must've been seeing things
23:13:35Hammer89*change-log
23:13:46LloreanHammer89: Changes are being made to it, but it's not ready for use right now
23:13:58Hammer89Okay :)
23:14:23LloreanWhen there's a new one, the sansapatcher file will be updated
23:14:26LloreanSo you can just check it.
23:14:29amiconnbluebrother: The small font is actually quite useful for debugging. Lots of space for hexdumping...
23:14:31Hammer89*nods*
23:15:00bluebrotheramiconn, I agree. That's what is quite annoying with small screens: too less space :)
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23:23:30pearldiverwhats the link to the rockbox logo in decent res?
23:25:26Bagderhttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/www/tshirt-contest/rockbox3540.jpg?view=markup&sortby=rev&pathrev=6268
23:25:36peturheya Bagder :)
23:25:51peturnice hotel you put us in, free wifi :)
23:25:57n1sor svg http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/frontpage/rockboxlogo.svg?revision=12307
23:26:12Bagderpetur: cool to see you have it working as well!
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23:26:54pearldiverBagder danker
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23:27:52amiconnBagder, Zagor: Unfortunately www.rockbox.org now also uses the broken debian binutils...
23:28:00Bagderah right
23:28:05*Bagder sighs
23:28:05bluebrotherthere is also a png in the manual tree ;-)
23:28:20Zagorow, i forgot about that. crap.
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23:29:24DerPapstg'day
23:30:24scorcheis there an update to the recommended binutils, or was it just the new server?
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23:31:05amiconnjhMikeS: Can you make sure your changes don't break wavrecord? And there are warnings for a couple of pp targets (looks like the ones w/o recording support)
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23:34:31PimpdaddypayneWhere are the windows installers?
23:35:07Zagorscorche: I ran an upgrade on the server, which pulled down the latest binutils. which contains the bug.
23:35:41scorcheah...alright...just making sure nothing slipped by me =)
23:35:47bluebrotherpetur, what are you trying to do?
23:36:04peturusbotg
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23:36:54petur1 step further....
23:37:33*Domonoky whooos to petur :-)
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23:38:26RincewindZagor: I found a few bugs with flyspray. 1. ' and " are shown with \ 2. I got warnings when I submitted a file
23:38:49ZagorRincewind: 1 should be fixed now.
23:39:02Zagorplease add a comment in #7194 about 2
23:39:20RincewindIf you want, I can paste you the errors
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23:39:36Zagordo that in #7194. otherwise I will forget/misplace it
23:39:46Rincewindok
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23:40:47cablesIs it currently safe to use Rockbox on an iPod Mini 2G?
23:41:05Domonokycables: jeah, ist save
23:41:20cablesDomonoky, ??
23:41:45Domonokyits safe :-)
23:41:49DerPapst!!
23:42:11cablesDomonoky, that was a heal of a typo :)
23:42:36RincewindZagor: done. No warnings this time, It seems to have something to do with the attachement
23:42:38Domonoky:-) sorry, but english isnt my first language
23:43:07cablesDomonoky, that's okay
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23:43:45barrywardellZagor: any idea what's up with the last two attachments to FS #7134?
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23:45:37Zagorbarrywardell: hmm, no
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23:46:06barrywardellshould I just add it to #7194?
23:46:24Zagorbarrywardell: do so
23:48:50ZagorRincewind: the file you attached, was it a patch file?
23:49:05bluebrotherZagor, tried to add a comment to the fs entry −− "Error #3: Repeated action, redirecting to main page"
23:49:30Zagorbluebrother: to which entry?
23:49:44bluebrotherFS #7194
23:50:10pearldiverhmm does anyone have this logo by any chance?
23:50:11pearldiverhttp://rbh300.chendo.net/h300expFULL.png
23:50:43Zagorbluebrother: might you have doubleclicked by accident? (wild guess)
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23:51:03*amiconn should probably get rid of the lame write-through caching before starting to stress test the code
23:51:12bluebrotherno. Even retried that action, same error
23:51:39DerPapstpoor code...
23:52:24Zagorbluebrother: standard firefox?
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23:52:39bluebrotheryup. FF1.5
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23:52:51bluebrothershould I try opera / konqueror?
23:53:02amiconn1.5??
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23:53:26jhMikeSamiconn: I'm checking up on stuff, no worries
23:54:12bluebrotherFirefox 1.5.0.10 to be exact.
23:54:13Zagorbluebrother: I can't imagine FF 1.5 not working...
23:54:16jhMikeSit was really just a naming conflict issue
23:55:08bluebrotheris there some spam protection thing? Rincewind commented shortly ago, and it's likely he's coming from the same proxy
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23:55:29Zagoraha. i'll ask.
23:55:53Rincewindhm?
23:56:10bluebrotherhmm. Now tried opera, worked.
23:56:37RincewindZagor: sorry, I was watching a film. Yes, it was a patch file
23:56:54ZagorRincewind: ok
23:57:12bluebrotherstrange. /me goes restarting FF
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23:57:25Rincewindbluebrother: I am not using the uni proxy at the moment
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23:58:36DerPapstbrb (or maybe not)
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