| 00:00:00 | pearldiver | i think i bricked my gigabeat |
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| 00:00:27 | pearldiver | SYSTEM ERROR 00000010, no matter what |
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| 00:03:02 | XavierGr | pearldiver: ouch |
| 00:03:05 | XavierGr | what did you do? |
| 00:03:42 | linuxstb | pearldiver: Can you access the disk via USB? |
| 00:03:45 | pearldiver | well i tried the rotation build |
| 00:04:09 | pearldiver | what i'm getting when i plug the usb and turn it on is: |
| 00:04:19 | pearldiver | one bar in the original gigabeat progress bar |
| 00:04:25 | pearldiver | system error message |
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| 00:04:31 | pearldiver | original gigabeat usb logo |
| 00:04:42 | pearldiver | and my computer makes a sound that an usb device is connected but i dont see it in the explorer / as a drive no matter what |
| 00:04:52 | pearldiver | however, if i go to Safely Remove Hardware properties, the system sees it as Toshiba Mobile Audioplayer with the Toshiba Hard Drive as a component but no letter is being assigned to it |
| 00:05:09 | pearldiver | linuxstb so as you see i cannot |
| 00:05:38 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: Just the person I was looking for! |
| 00:05:54 | * | linuxstb is busy reading 3 days worth of IRC logs... |
| 00:05:56 | XavierGr | pearldiver: you have tried to open it and connect it to USB just like the wiki says? |
| 00:06:05 | pearldiver | XavierGr yep, same thing |
| 00:06:11 | markun | pearldiver: maybe there is no more partition? |
| 00:06:25 | pearldiver | markun thats what i thought |
| 00:06:31 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: You commented on FS # 6705 that you got even better results removing the synth_full function from IRAM... can you help me do this? |
| 00:06:31 | markun | but? |
| 00:06:32 | pearldiver | but how come it disappeared |
| 00:06:49 | DerPapst | can anyone tell me how to get the midi player built? i'm not that fammiliar with the build system. (adding something to SOURCES and SUBDIRS?) |
| 00:06:56 | pearldiver | yeah Safely Remove Hardware properties shows that there's no partition |
| 00:07:08 | pearldiver | markun would this be the end? |
| 00:07:15 | markun | just make a new FAT32 parition |
| 00:07:37 | markun | or you can just give up of course ;) |
| 00:07:43 | pearldiver | hehe |
| 00:07:54 | pearldiver | but how if i can't access it |
| 00:08:25 | markun | pearldiver: how do you create a partition for a HDD which 'shows now drive letter'? |
| 00:08:51 | markun | is there no disk manager tool for windows or something? |
| 00:08:56 | DerPapst | it might be a good idea to add compiling instructions for the midi plugin on the PluginMidiPlay wiki page as well.. |
| 00:08:58 | pearldiver | with the partition soft obviosuly |
| 00:09:09 | pearldiver | obviously |
| 00:09:15 | markun | pearldiver: but that doesn't work with removable drives? |
| 00:09:26 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Just change ".icode" to ".text" in the new .S files |
| 00:09:31 | pearldiver | markun somehow i thought it doesn't :P |
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| 00:09:37 | pearldiver | but let me try of course |
| 00:09:38 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: Cool, thanks |
| 00:10:29 | markun | pearldiver: and if windows can't do it there are other OS' which can do it for you |
| 00:10:39 | DerPapst | markun: there is something in windows. |
| 00:11:04 | DerPapst | markun: Contol pannel... (have to translate...) |
| 00:11:11 | XavierGr | pearldiver: you can format it if windows see the disk but there is no letter to open it |
| 00:11:25 | XavierGr | go to computer management |
| 00:11:31 | DerPapst | right |
| 00:11:36 | DerPapst | that was it :) |
| 00:11:41 | pearldiver | ahh |
| 00:11:53 | XavierGr | administrative tools first |
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| 00:13:27 | XavierGr | then from computer management you click on the disk management |
| 00:13:37 | XavierGr | if you can find the disk there you can format it |
| 00:13:47 | pearldiver | let me try it XavierGr |
| 00:13:59 | XavierGr | after the format you will see the letter in explorer and then be able to put there the OF or rockbox |
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| 00:14:33 | pearldiver | ill lose all the date either way, correct? |
| 00:14:37 | pearldiver | data |
| 00:16:01 | mpeccorini | anyone: how much memory is assigned to a plugin buffer? |
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| 00:17:13 | XavierGr | pearldiver" yes you will loose all data |
| 00:17:59 | pearldiver | what if i use some partition software ? |
| 00:18:07 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: On the Archos devices, 32KB, on the other devices (apart from iFP7xx), 512KB. I'm not sure about the iFP7xx (it only has 1MB RAM in total...) |
| 00:18:43 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: But Chessbox is a special case on the Archos devices - it takes over the whole available RAM (about 1.5MB). |
| 00:18:53 | DerPapst | so i guess i have to add midi to SUBDIRS at lie 37 or so? |
| 00:18:57 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: thanks, I'm implementing chessbox as a viewer as you suggested |
| 00:19:07 | mpeccorini | so far it opens a PGN file and lists all the games |
| 00:19:16 | mpeccorini | then you select a game and it shows the list of moves |
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| 00:19:26 | mpeccorini | but I'm malloc'ing a lot of memory for that |
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| 00:19:35 | XavierGr | pearldiver: you may be able to quick format it and then with exact software try to save some of the data |
| 00:19:54 | XavierGr | the process though won't be failsafe and you might end up with lots of lost data |
| 00:20:05 | JdGordon | lol @ peturs vid :) |
| 00:20:07 | mpeccorini | 512 kb sounds like quite a lot though |
| 00:20:10 | pearldiver | XavierGr i see |
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| 00:21:34 | mpeccorini | BRB |
| 00:22:15 | DerPapst | do i have to add a makefile to midi? |
| 00:22:23 | * | DerPapst is slightly confused |
| 00:22:50 | DerPapst | because all the other plugins that are in a seperate dir have one |
| 00:23:08 | mrmagic526 | Just want to say great work on the 80 gig ipod this weekend. I do have one question about the patch if anyone can answer it. I just reinstalled cygwin and got the latest svn. I applied the patch and it crashes with an error when building it.... |
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| 00:24:20 | DerPapst | mrmagic526: ehat's the error? |
| 00:24:37 | DerPapst | because it worked fine for me. |
| 00:25:00 | mrmagic526 | it says /home/Default/rockbox/build/apps/settings_list.o undefined reference to '__compound literal. and some numbers |
| 00:25:20 | mrmagic526 | says it so many times it scrolls off the screen |
| 00:25:29 | saratoga | does anyone know what "iconv" is ? |
| 00:26:02 | mrmagic526 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 00:26:09 | mrmagic526 | build error 2 |
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| 00:26:32 | mrmagic526 | rockbox.elf error 1 |
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| 00:26:44 | mrmagic526 | if you have a good build could you email it to me? |
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| 00:27:09 | DerPapst | still building. but i guess i can :) |
| 00:27:18 | mrmagic526 | cool. toddmc516@sisna.com |
| 00:27:33 | linuxstb | DerPapst: What are you trying to do? midiplay is already compiled. |
| 00:27:45 | mrmagic526 | midiplay? |
| 00:27:52 | mrmagic526 | guess I'll have to check that one.... |
| 00:27:59 | mrmagic526 | just trying to see how it works on my 80 gig |
| 00:28:15 | mrmagic526 | used to use rock box on my 60gig.... i miss rockbox so much lol |
| 00:28:20 | DerPapst | oh? haven't found it .rockbox\rocks |
| 00:28:33 | DerPapst | s/\// |
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| 00:28:39 | linuxstb | DerPapst: RTFM.... "viewers" are in .rockbox/viewers/ |
| 00:29:12 | DerPapst | oh. didn't know it belongs to viewers. soryy |
| 00:29:15 | DerPapst | *sorry |
| 00:29:44 | * | DerPapst is new to rockbox |
| 00:29:55 | linuxstb | We have a fine manual ;) |
| 00:30:12 | DerPapst | haven't found it there |
| 00:30:24 | mrmagic526 | it could be me.... I never used cygwin before. My main computer is down and I'm using a piece of crap win98 machine..... I usually use vmware.... I used to do some custom builds for my 60 gig |
| 00:30:37 | DerPapst | i've searched the pdf for "Midi" with 0 results |
| 00:31:03 | linuxstb | OK, midi itself may not be documented, but it should explain the concept of viewers. |
| 00:31:43 | linuxstb | Be warned the midi plugin doesn't work well on ipods - IIRC, it plays audio at 22.050KHz, but the Rockbox audio driver only supports 44.1KHz... |
| 00:31:48 | DerPapst | well but how do i know if it belongs to viewers with only looking at the source? |
| 00:32:06 | bluebrother | look into apps/plugins/viewers.config |
| 00:32:11 | DerPapst | i'll keep that in mind |
| 00:32:14 | bluebrother | if it's listed there it's a viewer |
| 00:32:25 | DerPapst | ah ok. |
| 00:32:36 | bluebrother | or at least, you can invoke it as viewer |
| 00:32:54 | bluebrother | some plugins can be both viewer and regular plugin. Sudoku for example is one |
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| 00:33:10 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: and very soon chessbox too ;) |
| 00:33:52 | bluebrother | whatever ... I'm to weak at chess for playing against the gnuchess engine ;) |
| 00:34:07 | DerPapst | heh.. i guess i have to find out the difference between viewer and plugin fist by reading some docs. |
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| 00:34:40 | bluebrother | if you invoke a plugin as viewer then it gets the filename passed |
| 00:34:50 | mpeccorini | DerPapst: they're basically the same, but plugins use the filename they receive to do something |
| 00:35:05 | bluebrother | but viewers that rely on a file (like jpegviewer) can't be run otherwise |
| 00:35:19 | DerPapst | ah ok |
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| 00:36:52 | DerPapst | mrmagic526: do you need the bootloader as well? or do you have some kind of 3rd party bootloader? |
| 00:38:53 | mrmagic526 | nah i got ipod linux |
| 00:39:09 | mrmagic526 | loader 2.5b6 |
| 00:39:11 | enyc | mrmagic526: iirc ipodlinux works an older units... rockbox works on newer units |
| 00:39:21 | DerPapst | linuxstb: one question about ipodpatcher (once again): where does it get the generation from? some mbr magic? |
| 00:39:26 | mrmagic526 | i got the 80 gig ipod |
| 00:39:50 | enyc | mrmagic526: wel go look at the webpage then... you should find out what "generation" ipod you have exactly |
| 00:39:54 | mrmagic526 | i've been hacking ipods for a while. Just got super excited to see rockbox for my 80 gig.... problem is this piece of crap computer isn't compiling it |
| 00:39:57 | linuxstb | DerPapst: From the firmware version number (in the firmware partition). |
| 00:40:01 | mrmagic526 | I know what I have |
| 00:40:05 | mrmagic526 | it's a 5.5 80 gig |
| 00:40:08 | DerPapst | mrmagic526: ok. but you have to make a loader.cfg for rockbox. autodetectioni is broken in this version. |
| 00:40:09 | mrmagic526 | I have linux on it already |
| 00:40:11 | TrueJournals | mrmagic526: rockbox doesn't work on the 80 gig... |
| 00:40:14 | mrmagic526 | right |
| 00:40:21 | DerPapst | linuxstb: thanks. |
| 00:40:26 | mrmagic526 | I got a loader config since I have a wikipedia linux on my ipod as well |
| 00:40:29 | scorche | TrueJournals: actually, it does |
| 00:40:29 | bagawk | TrueJournals: amiconn put up a patch lst night |
| 00:40:30 | enyc | mrmagic526: I dont expect you need to compile rockbox? you can just use prebuilt rockbox? |
| 00:40:37 | DerPapst | TrueJournals: wrong ;) |
| 00:40:40 | mrmagic526 | enyc not for the 80 gig |
| 00:40:42 | TrueJournals | Ah, OK, my bad... |
| 00:40:44 | mrmagic526 | it's not in the svn yet |
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| 00:40:51 | mrmagic526 | patch released today |
| 00:40:52 | bagawk | mrmagic526: I can send you a build that works on the 80gb |
| 00:40:58 | TrueJournals | Hadn't heard about that... thanks for letting me know |
| 00:41:07 | linuxstb | DerPapst: There isn't a firmware version (afaik) in the 3g or earlier firmware, so ipodpatcher just assumes a 3g (as that's all Rockbox works on). If you're using it for other reasons, you'll need to solve that issue... |
| 00:41:09 | mrmagic526 | cool. I'm on the web irc so email it to toddmc516@sisna.com |
| 00:42:01 | bagawk | mrmagic526: http://leepil.com/~lee/rockbox.zip |
| 00:42:14 | DerPapst | linuxstb: i thought about a force function.. if it doesn't find the magic in the mbr |
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| 00:42:27 | mrmagic526 | cool thanks |
| 00:42:33 | bagawk | mrmagic526: I assume you have loader2 since you have ipodlinux, in that case just mv rockbox.ipod that is in .rockbox to the root of the ipod |
| 00:42:45 | linuxstb | DerPapst: No, just get rid of the MBR check altogether... |
| 00:42:48 | mrmagic526 | I'm pretty good at compiling but my good pc is down and I'm using an old piece of crap that I had to put cygwin on instead of vmware |
| 00:42:56 | mrmagic526 | cannot wait to try it |
| 00:43:55 | mrmagic526 | yup yup |
| 00:44:15 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I'm not sure if ipodpatcher does, but it should check that the first partition is type 0 (Empty) and the second partition is FAT32 (or HFS for macpods). That should be enough to identify ipods (along with checking the contents of that empty partition for a valid firmware image) |
| 00:44:39 | DerPapst | linuxstb: done that already. i just wonderd if i have to give ipodpatcher the generation. |
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| 00:45:54 | DerPapst | linuxstb: i've disabled another check so it prints the partition table of any usb/fiwi device and errors then if's not an ipod. |
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| 00:48:38 | DerPapst | linuxstb: the force option disables the check in ipodpatcher.c line 169 |
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| 00:50:16 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Are you sure it's line 169 in SVN? |
| 00:50:32 | DerPapst | um... no :P |
| 00:50:35 | DerPapst | wait a sec |
| 00:50:49 | linuxstb | I assume you mean the one that checks for "iPod" or the longer string? |
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| 00:51:37 | DerPapst | line 175 :) |
| 00:51:41 | DerPapst | yes |
| 00:52:10 | mrmagic526 | Holy Fraking hell.... Rockbox on my 80 gig..... YIPEEE........ thanks......... EVERYONE |
| 00:52:21 | DerPapst | your welcome :P |
| 00:52:58 | My_Sic | hie everyone |
| 00:53:20 | My_Sic | playlist random |
| 00:53:21 | bagawk | mrmagic526: I was pretty excited also last night took freaking forever to build the databse though :P |
| 00:53:47 | mrmagic526 | time to get my themes and doom setup and pacman...... I'm so excited I haven't had rockbox since I was an idiot and sold my 60 gig to get my 80 gig the first day thinking rockbox would work ..... dumb stupid me...... |
| 00:54:10 | mrmagic526 | I'll let it do the database once I get the interface and games setup |
| 00:54:20 | My_Sic | the random playlist under rockbox, really doesn't work |
| 00:55:28 | My_Sic | i have played during many hours 2 albums in the same playlist, with random, and i have never heard some tracks |
| 00:55:40 | mrmagic526 | it's been so long I dont even know what half of these plugins are anymore |
| 00:56:24 | lini | hey guys, quick wps question - before the ps tag used to be a conditional. now it seems to only display an S when shuffle is on |
| 00:56:43 | lini | how do i create a condition so it displays shuffle instead of just s |
| 00:57:06 | lini | e.g. %?ps< %| shuffle> |
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| 01:00:47 | PaulJam | lini: you could try %?ps< %| shuffle|> |
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| 01:04:41 | My_Sic | please how to display the autoscore in a wps ? |
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| 01:10:52 | Nico_P | lini: what you want is probably %?ps<|shuffle> |
| 01:11:30 | Nico_P | My_Sic: %ra |
| 01:11:41 | My_Sic | thanks |
| 01:11:54 | DerPapst | zomg... the database inclused al the soundfiles from the ipodgames.. haha |
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| 01:13:11 | PaulJam | Nico_P: isn't it %?ps<on|off> (instead of %?ps<off|on> )? |
| 01:13:12 | DerPapst | and i wondered why i have so many untagged songs :) |
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| 01:13:31 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: I just saw your flyspray posts - I removed more IRAM than just synth_full. |
| 01:13:37 | linuxstb | ^more from IRAM |
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| 01:14:01 | Nico_P | PaulJam: yes, you're right. it's a true|false conditional |
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| 01:15:51 | My_Sic | DerPapst: not to have the soudfiles from ipodgames in the databases, you can use the songdb perl script (or waiting for FS #5960) |
| 01:15:57 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: What else did you remove? |
| 01:18:37 | DerPapst | My_Sic: i don't care to much about it so i guess i'll wait :) but thanks. |
| 01:19:14 | My_Sic | your welcome |
| 01:19:23 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: I removed synth_full from IRAM (which your patch doesn't do), plus the two .S files (which your patch does do). The patch for synth_full is here - http://www.pastebin.ca/501271 |
| 01:19:46 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: I would be interested to see the tests with synth_full also removed from IRAM - I didn't benchmark them individually. |
| 01:19:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:19:56 | DerPapst | linuxstb: if i remeber right you wanted 3 days ago someone with a 3G iPod? |
| 01:20:06 | My_Sic | but the songdb perl script is usefull, because it use less time to make the database |
| 01:20:28 | My_Sic | on my 60go it can be very long with rockbox |
| 01:20:32 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: My patch didn't include the two .S files... for some strange reason... I'll test what I currently have with what you just gave me later and post the results on FS |
| 01:20:42 | TrueJournals | (I have to go eat dinner now) |
| 01:20:43 | TrueJournals | Bye |
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| 01:21:33 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I did? I can't remember why... |
| 01:21:59 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Ah yes, it's coming back to me now - testing MP3 decoding... |
| 01:22:07 | DerPapst | about some optimisation of mpegplayer or something (with moving something out of iram) |
| 01:22:12 | DerPapst | or that |
| 01:22:15 | DerPapst | :) |
| 01:22:49 | linuxstb | Basically this patch - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6705#comment15308 |
| 01:23:06 | pearldiver | XavierGr |
| 01:23:11 | pearldiver | here? |
| 01:23:26 | My_Sic | Nico_P: : is it normal that the %ra tag give only the firt number of the autoscore ? |
| 01:23:45 | Nico_P | My_Sic: probably not :) |
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| 01:30:18 | XavierGr | pearldiver: I am now but not for long |
| 01:31:04 | pearldiver | im getting a different error but im trying the gigabeat format utility now |
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| 01:31:56 | XavierGr | you are getting an error where exactly? |
| 01:32:15 | pearldiver | at the boot up |
| 01:32:35 | Nico_P | what's the plural of 'parenthesis' ? |
| 01:32:50 | pearldiver | i see the drive alright now but just copying the needed files didnt help |
| 01:33:09 | Nico_P | and what are '<' and '>' called besides less than and greater than ? |
| 01:33:35 | XavierGr | Nico: I don't think that there is a plural of parenthesis |
| 01:33:39 | XavierGr | but I might be wrong |
| 01:34:31 | XavierGr | pearldiver: I am not exactly a Gigabeat guru, but if you can access your DAP through a PC then I guess that your player is safe for the time being |
| 01:34:39 | XavierGr | does it boot at OF or rockbox at all? |
| 01:34:43 | DerPapst | linuxstb: so i have to apply mpa.patch at first and than the other patch? |
| 01:35:01 | pearldiver | XavierGr i tried only rockbox and it didn't work |
| 01:35:07 | pearldiver | im going to try the OF now |
| 01:35:43 | Nico_P | pearldiver: the rockbox bootloader has an emergency mode IIRC |
| 01:36:00 | pearldiver | Nico_P i had to reformat the player |
| 01:36:04 | pearldiver | its blank now |
| 01:36:11 | pearldiver | completely |
| 01:36:13 | Nico_P | ok |
| 01:36:27 | pearldiver | so im not really sure what steps to try 1st |
| 01:36:37 | pearldiver | just copying the needed rockbox files didnt work |
| 01:36:50 | Nico_P | you probably need a bootloader |
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| 01:37:27 | pearldiver | including bootloader |
| 01:37:52 | pearldiver | i think i need to restore the OF 1st |
| 01:37:56 | XavierGr | yes |
| 01:38:05 | XavierGr | just place the default OF files in the right folders |
| 01:38:08 | Nico_P | yes, just the rockbox bootloader isn't enough |
| 01:38:13 | XavierGr | then turn battery off and then on |
| 01:38:21 | XavierGr | and boot up |
| 01:38:30 | XavierGr | if it workd proceed with the rockbox boot loader |
| 01:38:31 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Apply the first (mpa.patch) patch on that page. Then edit dct32_arm.S and synth_full_arm.S to replace ".icode" with ".text" at the top, then apply the patch I posted to pastebin.... |
| 01:38:35 | pearldiver | Nico_P all the needed files were there alright |
| 01:38:43 | Nico_P | oh |
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| 01:39:25 | pearldiver | pity it doesn't work with restoring the OF 1st |
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| 01:39:32 | pearldiver | without* |
| 01:40:05 | linuxstb | DerPapst: But to perform the actual benchmarking, you'll need to compile the test_codec plugin (another viewer...). Add test_codec.c to apps/plugins/SOURCES, and also add the line "wav,viewers/test_codec,-" to apps/plugins/viewers.config |
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| 01:43:19 | mrmagic526 | stupid question time... I just put rockbox on my 80 gig...... a long time ago the doom plugin had sound.... I got doom running but it doesn't have sound...... is the sound gone? |
| 01:43:38 | XavierGr | pearldiver: so did it work? |
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| 01:43:49 | pearldiver | XavierGr will try in a few |
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| 01:43:57 | pearldiver | its formatting now |
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| 01:44:17 | XavierGr | well there is no need to make a full format, just a quick one |
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| 01:47:03 | pearldiver | it didnt work |
| 01:47:42 | DerPapst | linuxstb: ok. i'll do the compiling and testing tomorrow. 1:50 am already ;) |
| 01:47:45 | XavierGr | what does it say? |
| 01:47:58 | pearldiver | SYSTEM ERROR 00000020 |
| 01:48:04 | XavierGr | hmm |
| 01:48:13 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Thanks - it would be useful to test an mp3 with current SVN using test_codec, then apply the changes to the mp3 decoder and test again. |
| 01:48:13 | XavierGr | I dont know how I can help you any further |
| 01:48:22 | XavierGr | pearldiver: you will have to ask markun for that |
| 01:48:31 | DerPapst | linuxstb: ok. i'll do so |
| 01:48:52 | XavierGr | pearldiver: does the drive works correctly under windows? |
| 01:48:57 | linuxstb | DerPapst: In fact, apply just mpa.patch (not the extra changes) first, then the extra changes - so we can see how much difference IRAM use makes on the 3g. |
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| 01:49:05 | pearldiver | XavierGr yes |
| 01:49:15 | XavierGr | pearldiver: if yes then I can't think why it doesn't work, wait for markun tomorrow and ask him |
| 01:49:20 | XavierGr | now I must sleep bye all |
| 01:49:51 | DerPapst | linuxstb: ok |
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| 02:03:09 | pearldiver | kkurbjun im having trouble getting rockbox to run on a formatted gigabeat |
| 02:03:30 | kkurbjun | what problem are you running into? |
| 02:03:43 | pearldiver | it displays SYSTEM ERROR 00000020 |
| 02:04:00 | pearldiver | i tried formatting it with gigabeat utility |
| 02:04:08 | pearldiver | and just copying the files over, OF and rockbox |
| 02:04:11 | pearldiver | same error |
| 02:04:19 | kkurbjun | I was running into that problem as well |
| 02:04:27 | kkurbjun | I ended up doing a low level format of the drive |
| 02:04:32 | pearldiver | oh |
| 02:04:37 | kkurbjun | so it writes zero's to everything |
| 02:04:41 | pearldiver | helped? |
| 02:04:44 | kkurbjun | you won't hav a partition anymore |
| 02:04:45 | DerPapst | good night at all |
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| 02:05:05 | pearldiver | so just low level format it and copy the files over again? |
| 02:05:06 | kkurbjun | then I used windows xp's administrative tools, computer management to creat a new partition |
| 02:05:21 | kkurbjun | then I formatted with the gigabeat formatter |
| 02:05:28 | kkurbjun | and then copied the files over |
| 02:05:36 | pearldiver | just the rockbox? |
| 02:05:46 | pearldiver | no need to bother with OF? |
| 02:06:20 | kkurbjun | http://hddguru.com/content/en/software/2006.04.12-HDD-Low-Level-Format-Tool/ I think that was the tool I used |
| 02:06:44 | kkurbjun | it wiped at least the begining of the drive then I got seek errors so I killed the program and went from there |
| 02:06:51 | kkurbjun | no, I dind't touch the of |
| 02:07:07 | kkurbjun | I just copied over a system folder from one of my other gigabeats |
| 02:07:17 | kkurbjun | I think the system folder has to have special permisions though |
| 02:07:24 | kkurbjun | GBSYSTEM that is |
| 02:07:40 | pearldiver | gotcha |
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| 02:08:45 | kkurbjun | If you need a system folder I can send you the one I have that works |
| 02:09:03 | kkurbjun | I don't know how I can make an archive that keeps the permissions though |
| 02:09:03 | pearldiver | i have my old one backed up i think |
| 02:09:10 | kkurbjun | ok, that's good then |
| 02:09:52 | pearldiver | but what kind of special permissions? |
| 02:11:48 | kkurbjun | it has to be labeled a system folder I believe, but I don't know how windows labels folders that way or stores that info in the fat, or wherever it puts it |
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| 02:12:06 | pearldiver | ah |
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| 02:14:38 | kkurbjun | let me know if the low level format/partition/gigabeat format does/doesn't work |
| 02:15:08 | kkurbjun | adn if you nee any clarity on the steps that I did let me know as well |
| 02:15:15 | kkurbjun | do you have windows xp? |
| 02:15:42 | pearldiver | yeah im doing the low level format now |
| 02:15:49 | pearldiver | win xp, correct |
| 02:16:29 | pearldiver | i noticed that theres a GBSYSTEM folder inside the toshiba program folder |
| 02:16:41 | pearldiver | maybe i should try with that 1st |
| 02:16:43 | kkurbjun | that's a backup of what's on your system |
| 02:16:46 | kkurbjun | I mean player |
| 02:17:14 | kkurbjun | I would use the one you have backed up |
| 02:17:19 | pearldiver | ok |
| 02:17:40 | pearldiver | so its no problem to boot it the 1st time around with the rockbox bootloader? |
| 02:18:42 | pearldiver | btw, i lost my partition due to the custom build with rotation patch |
| 02:18:47 | kkurbjun | nope, that's what I did |
| 02:18:55 | pearldiver | so i had to reformat |
| 02:19:06 | kkurbjun | I've never tried that patch/build |
| 02:19:19 | kkurbjun | I wonder how it erased your partition |
| 02:19:25 | pearldiver | yeah i wonder too |
| 02:21:02 | kkurbjun | I'm going to run and buy some solder, I'll be back in a bit |
| 02:21:32 | pearldiver | ok, thanks |
| 02:21:39 | pearldiver | let me know when you're back |
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| 02:36:34 | pearldiver | kkurbjun worked wonders |
| 02:36:39 | pearldiver | thanks again |
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| 02:44:31 | kkurbjun | pearldiver, glad to hear |
| 02:44:53 | kkurbjun | did the lowlever format start giving you seek errors too? |
| 02:44:58 | kkurbjun | level |
| 02:45:17 | pearldiver | nope |
| 02:45:20 | pearldiver | all went smooth |
| 02:46:00 | pearldiver | hmm, just noticed that BlackGlass theme for the gigabeat disappeared from the gallery |
| 02:46:11 | kkurbjun | great, It might be a useful wiki article on how to upgrade/recover drives that lost their partitions |
| 02:46:31 | pearldiver | kkurbjun indeed |
| 02:46:39 | pearldiver | i was stuck without your advice |
| 02:51:32 | pearldiver | i even performed the surgery |
| 02:51:46 | pearldiver | well, at least i cleaned screen heh |
| 02:52:16 | kkurbjun | : ) |
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| 03:00:06 | mschneider | when selecting build type do you just select normal? |
| 03:00:21 | mschneider | because whenever i try to patch i keep getting HUNK 1-4 failed |
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| 03:27:36 | Soap_ | if the patching is failing - you need to address that _before_ you attempt a build, and yes, Normal is the type of build you would do. |
| 03:27:53 | Soap_ | oh, mschneider left. |
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| 03:29:12 | dreque | hey could anyone instruct me as to which bootloader I should use for the 80g ipod? |
| 03:29:29 | dreque | I have the build bagawkput together but I don't know which bootloader to use for it |
| 03:29:34 | bonbonthejon | dreque: 80gig isn't supported, I think |
| 03:29:47 | Stygian_ | It is. |
| 03:29:48 | Stygian_ | New patch. |
| 03:30:02 | Stygian_ | I'd also like to know the answer to the question, though :) |
| 03:32:30 | TrueJournals | dreque: I believe you would also need an 80 gig bootloader compiled using the patch... |
| 03:35:31 | dreque | hmm ok, I guess unless anybody has a precompiled version, I'll try to do it myself, thanks |
| 03:38:07 | TrueJournals | dreque: I can try to make you a bootloader if you want |
| 03:39:07 | dreque | That'd be great, I've been trying to figure it out, but I'll admit I'm lost, it'd be so nice to have rockbox on a player of mine again |
| 03:41:11 | TrueJournals | OK.. it's making.. |
| 03:42:57 | TrueJournals | dreque: http://www.jumbodir.com/get/?id=7d895f7e-adfe-afe0-4e08-f76263d6e2c2 |
| 03:43:09 | dreque | great thanks again |
| 03:43:11 | TrueJournals | That SHOULD work... I can't test it though |
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| 03:45:13 | dreque | great thanks |
| 03:45:22 | TrueJournals | it works? |
| 03:45:59 | dreque | no actually my internet cut out I didn't get the message where you sent It I think |
| 03:46:11 | TrueJournals | http://www.jumbodir.com/get/?id=7d895f7e-adfe-afe0-4e08-f76263d6e2c2 |
| 03:46:20 | TrueJournals | It should work... I can't test it though |
| 03:49:01 | dreque | thanks again I'm going to try and get it running now |
| 03:49:06 | Stygian_ | as will I. |
| 03:49:09 | TrueJournals | good luck |
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| 04:37:48 | dreque | ok so I got the patched bootloader for the 80g ipod, but can someone instruct me as to how I flash this to my iPod? |
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| 04:39:08 | Stygian | ipodpatcher, with -a <bootloader-file.ipod> |
| 04:39:08 | Stygian | afaik |
| 04:39:42 | Llorean | Just as a note, you're not flashing |
| 04:39:48 | Llorean | It's just stored in a hidden partition on the disk |
| 04:40:33 | dreque | ah, I'm still caught up in my iHP-120 days thanks |
| 04:41:21 | Llorean | Yeah, many devices don't require flashing. The bootloader just needs to be in the right place for their bootloader to spot it. |
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| 04:43:49 | dreque | oh ok that makes sense, and I've been trying the ipodpatcher, however everytime I enter in the command it exits out |
| 04:44:25 | dreque | just to clarify my bootloader.ipod should be in the same folder as ipodpatcher.exe correct? |
| 04:44:36 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 04:46:29 | Llorean | What, exactly, are you typing? |
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| 04:46:31 | dreque | "ipodpatcher -a bootloader.ipod" |
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| 04:46:59 | dreque | and afterwards it just hangs on the apple logo |
| 04:47:31 | Llorean | Hold right while you boot |
| 04:47:37 | Llorean | You probably didn't do the rest of the install, did you? |
| 04:48:10 | Stygian | The firmware needs to be patched too, I believe? |
| 04:49:16 | dreque | oh I thought the bootloader would go the apple firmware if it couldn't detect the rockbox firmware |
| 04:49:25 | dreque | and yes I have a patched version of the firmware |
| 04:49:56 | Llorean | dreque: It's supposed to, but doesn't right now |
| 04:50:18 | Stygian | okies. Anyhoo, I've got the source code, and "patch -p0 ipod55g-4.diff" from the rockbox-bleeding directory. |
| 04:50:40 | Stygian | I'm now going to go into the 'firmware' and 'bootloader' directories and use the 'build' command. Is that correct? |
| 04:51:37 | Llorean | No |
| 04:51:47 | Llorean | You need to patch the source, then just follow the usual compiling instructions for Rockbox |
| 04:52:18 | Stygian | righto. I'll need the CrossCompiler, then? |
| 04:57:41 | pearldiver | does anyone have any idea what happened to the blackglass theme for the gigabeat |
| 04:57:54 | pearldiver | it sort of vanished |
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| 05:00:04 | Soap | wiki or rockbox-themes? |
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| 05:02:59 | pearldiver | both |
| 05:04:07 | pearldiver | peak meters behave strangely |
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| 05:06:42 | Soap | I didn't know blackglass was ever on the wiki |
| 05:06:49 | Soap | I don't see it in the page history. |
| 05:06:49 | pearldiver | it was |
| 05:06:56 | pearldiver | at least somewhere |
| 05:07:04 | pearldiver | my bet is rockbox-themes |
| 05:07:19 | Stygian | alright. There's the latest source code. Now to muck around with CrossCompiler |
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| 05:08:45 | makeshift | how is support for 4G iPods coming along? think it will be stable soon? |
| 05:09:39 | Llorean | makeshift: I don't think anyone knows exactly what causes the crash yet |
| 05:09:54 | Llorean | Stygian: Try the SimpleGuideToCompiling page in our wiki |
| 05:10:07 | Stygian | will do; thanks |
| 05:10:21 | dreque | well I got it to load the bootloader, but now it just hangs there |
| 05:10:49 | Llorean | dreque: Have you also installed Rockbox, or just the bootloader? |
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| 05:11:16 | dreque | I've installed both |
| 05:15:35 | Llorean | What happens when you hold "Right" immediately after the Apple Logo displays? |
| 05:16:26 | dreque | It goes into "Rockbox boot loader, Version: 1.0, IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF, TOSHIBA MK8010GAH" and then hangs there |
| 05:16:45 | Llorean | That's the last line it displays? |
| 05:16:49 | dreque | yes |
| 05:17:09 | Llorean | I don't think you've installed a properly patched bootloader then. |
| 05:17:26 | dreque | hmm yeah that's what It seems to be |
| 05:18:11 | dreque | I received the bootloader from TrueJournals, I guess it wasn't patched properly |
| 05:18:20 | pearldiver | Soap no luck finding it? |
| 05:19:20 | Llorean | dreque: Or you didn't install it properly. Ipodpatcher may have installed the inbuilt bootloader instead |
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| 05:21:32 | dreque | well in that case I think I'll try to install this once more |
| 05:22:02 | dreque | is my command correct "ipodpatcher -a filename.ipod" |
| 05:22:21 | Llorean | It should be. |
| 05:24:06 | dreque | nope I got the same thing |
| 05:24:56 | bagawk | dreque: give a second, I can try the rockbox loader on my ipod (I have been using loader2) |
| 05:25:31 | dreque | ok thanks |
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| 05:32:38 | pearldiver | oh well, it was a nice theme |
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| 05:35:10 | bagawk | dreque: almost there, I was restoring the original boot partition to git rid of loader2 |
| 05:36:11 | dreque | ok thanks for your help, I feel like I can't sleep until I figure at least part of this out :) |
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| 05:38:02 | krustyclo | im at http://www.rockbox.org/download/ i want to get rockbox for my ipod mini. what link do i click on for it under the ipod mini table ? |
| 05:38:25 | Llorean | krustyclo: Read the text at the top of the page... |
| 05:38:54 | bagawk | dreque: that works fine for me, probably just your bootloader |
| 05:39:01 | krustyclo | do i download from the archived daily builds link |
| 05:39:10 | bagawk | dreque: one sec, ill scp mine somewhere |
| 05:39:38 | dreque | great thanks again |
| 05:39:57 | bagawk | dreque: http://leepil.com/~lee/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 05:40:00 | krustyclo | Llorean, can you explain to me what i need to do ? |
| 05:40:23 | Llorean | krustyclo: You read the manual, and use the links in it. |
| 05:40:38 | krustyclo | im confused |
| 05:40:41 | Llorean | Bagder: Why does the build table show the lds on the commit that claims it fixes the lds? |
| 05:40:52 | Llorean | krustyclo: What, exactly, does the manual tell you to download? |
| 05:40:59 | krustyclo | i clicked on the link at the top that says "Archived daily builds" then ipod mini 1st gen |
| 05:41:04 | krustyclo | it doesnt say |
| 05:41:11 | krustyclo | i dont know... |
| 05:41:27 | Llorean | You are reading the Rockbox manual, right? |
| 05:41:38 | krustyclo | i read it earlier |
| 05:41:44 | krustyclo | it doesnt tell you exactly which one to download |
| 05:42:05 | Llorean | It tells you the difference between a "Current Build" and a "Daily Build" |
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| 05:43:02 | krustyclo | i clicked on the archived daily builds link at the top of http://build.rockbox.org/ then clicked on "ipod mini 1st gen" is that the most current build available for ipod mini ? |
| 05:43:22 | Llorean | No, the most current build is the one you download on the current build page |
| 05:43:33 | Llorean | What's so confusing about "Below the table are builds of Rockbox" |
| 05:43:38 | Llorean | BELOW |
| 05:43:39 | Llorean | Scroll down |
| 05:43:41 | krustyclo | there isnt one for ipod mini |
| 05:43:52 | krustyclo | have you actually looked at that page |
| 05:44:02 | krustyclo | theres a graphic image for most other ipods but not the mini |
| 05:44:10 | Llorean | It also says if one isn't currently showing, you either have to wait, or download an old build |
| 05:44:27 | krustyclo | yes |
| 05:44:29 | Llorean | It's pretty clear what your options are. |
| 05:44:30 | krustyclo | thats what i did |
| 05:44:37 | krustyclo | i clicked in the link at the top!!! |
| 05:44:56 | Llorean | Then why did you ask? It makes it 100% clear that the Daily Build is older than the Current Build, but a current build is not available at the moment due to errors in the build system. |
| 05:45:57 | Llorean | What exactly is it that you're confused about? |
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| 05:48:09 | dreque | well it's still hanging on the bootloader |
| 05:48:28 | dreque | I feel as if I'm using ipodpatcher incorrectly |
| 05:48:43 | krustyclo | can i install the boot loader from a mac ? |
| 05:50:53 | a1titude | yes |
| 05:51:22 | a1titude | well Mac OS X |
| 05:51:34 | krustyclo | yep |
| 05:51:58 | a1titude | its in the manual - at rockbox.org |
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| 06:10:12 | krustyclo | ok so i set up rockbox now can i add the music to any folder |
| 06:13:20 | bagawk | krustyclo: you can |
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| 06:14:39 | krustyclo | sweet |
| 06:14:44 | krustyclo | so far so good.. |
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| 06:14:53 | krustyclo | music sounds good.... |
| 06:15:09 | godzirra | heya guys. If I use senab's build (god am I so happy to have gotten rid of my zune and gotten a rockbox enabled device again) what do I need to name the jpgs? |
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| 06:16:41 | krustyclo | when i tried ipodlinux, it didnt work very well |
| 06:16:50 | krustyclo | whats the name of the gameboy emulator ? |
| 06:21:38 | krustyclo | nm found it |
| 06:22:15 | krustyclo | anyone rockbox developers here |
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| 06:30:20 | godzirra | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:30:58 | aliask | Naming jpegs? |
| 06:31:53 | aliask | They can be named anything (anything valid for a fat32 drive), and have the extension jpg or jpeg |
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| 06:40:34 | krustyclo | wow |
| 06:40:44 | krustyclo | rockbox runs so well |
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| 06:42:39 | krustyclo | is anyone here |
| 06:42:58 | krazykit | yes |
| 06:43:13 | krustyclo | why cant rockbox access the music i added in itunes ? |
| 06:43:21 | krustyclo | if you just drag and drop files |
| 06:43:36 | krazykit | because itunes randomly renames files and puts them in arbitrary directories |
| 06:43:39 | krustyclo | why cant it scan the files in the music_control folder and read the id3 tags and add it |
| 06:43:42 | aliask | It can, use the database feature |
| 06:43:48 | krustyclo | oh |
| 06:43:54 | krazykit | righto |
| 06:44:01 | krazykit | unless the songs are crippled, then they won't play |
| 06:44:14 | krustyclo | you mean use drm ? |
| 06:44:21 | krazykit | yep |
| 06:44:34 | krustyclo | nope i refuse to buy drm crippled music |
| 06:48:05 | krustyclo | if i enable the database do i have to load it every time i boot my ipod |
| 06:48:12 | krustyclo | or only after i add music in itunes ? |
| 06:48:35 | aliask | It needs to generate the database once, and then it just monitors any changes from then onwards. |
| 06:49:15 | krustyclo | sweet |
| 06:49:26 | krustyclo | so far i am really impressed.... |
| 06:49:46 | krustyclo | can i i erased songs that are in my itunes database from within rockbox ? |
| 06:49:59 | krustyclo | or do i have to use apples firmware nd itunes to do that |
| 06:50:03 | krustyclo | *and |
| 06:52:16 | krazykit | itunes, probably, as rockbox only removes the file, not the .db entry |
| 06:52:57 | krustyclo | ahh i see |
| 06:53:34 | krustyclo | after i use rockbox and am sure that its still stable i think ill just remove all the itunes db files and add it in rockbox format |
| 06:54:29 | aliask | That's a better idea, when you play the files in rockbox, the playlist entry is the filename, not the tags so you get an entry like "EQKA.mp3" |
| 06:55:07 | krustyclo | ? |
| 06:55:30 | krustyclo | i have seen an entry in that format in the database menu in rockbox |
| 06:55:47 | krustyclo | havent |
| 06:56:10 | aliask | If you play the song in rockbox, and then go to "view playlist" in the WPS context menu, you will see what I mean. |
| 06:56:41 | krustyclo | oh |
| 06:57:13 | aliask | It just makes browsing by playlist a little cumbersome |
| 06:57:35 | krustyclo | im gonna just go for it and remove everhything from itunes and add it in rockbox |
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| 07:11:49 | krustyclo | aliask, ok i removed the music. is it safe to delete /iPod_Control ? |
| 07:12:41 | aliask | If you really want. It's a hidden folder though, so rockbox won't see it by default. |
| 07:13:25 | krustyclo | i can also add the music in as many sublevels as i want right ? |
| 07:13:35 | krustyclo | err sub folders |
| 07:13:40 | aliask | Yep |
| 07:13:49 | krustyclo | because i was thinking of putting all my music in /Music |
| 07:16:17 | krustyclo | this is so much better than using itunes |
| 07:16:35 | aliask | I agree :) |
| 07:17:35 | krustyclo | i have over 11K songs and tried using itunes to manage all of my music but its difficult to have 2 databases across 2 computers. especially when one is a mac and the other is a pc |
| 07:18:25 | aliask | Well the file method will be a lot nicer then. |
| 07:18:30 | krustyclo | yep |
| 07:19:10 | krustyclo | i originally wanted to use rockbox for its ogg support but just noticed that ogg and non-ipod standard codecs dont work anyways with rockbox on an ipod |
| 07:19:42 | aliask | What do you mean? Ogg should work fine on iPod |
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| 07:20:04 | krustyclo | well maybe the RB page isnt up to date |
| 07:20:31 | krustyclo | oh wait nm i misread it |
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| 07:27:25 | krustyclo | wow this is so much easier with drag and dropping..... |
| 07:29:48 | * | amiconn pings Bagder |
| 07:31:28 | * | amiconn also pings linuxstb and Slasheri |
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| 08:06:14 | * | JdGordon off for 2 days... in the unlikely event anyone cares :p |
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| 08:06:36 | intgr | Does Panasonic's AM2 architecture ring a bell to anyone? |
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| 08:55:48 | amiconn | hi B4gder |
| 08:55:58 | B4gder | morning |
| 08:56:04 | amiconn | Seems the newly added build server has serious problems :( |
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| 08:56:24 | B4gder | indeed |
| 08:57:13 | B4gder | disabled now |
| 08:57:21 | B4gder | chrisjs169: here? |
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| 08:58:34 | * | amiconn wonders whether LinusN will show up today |
| 08:58:42 | * | amiconn has some ata related questions |
| 08:59:02 | B4gder | I believe he plans to |
| 08:59:26 | * | GodEater cranks the handle on the forums to bring them up to speed |
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| 09:00:05 | amiconn | GodEater: Did you already try the patch on your 80GB? |
| 09:00:34 | GodEater | certainly did :) |
| 09:00:50 | GodEater | thank you very much for your hard work |
| 09:01:24 | * | amiconn needs to add a sanity check for the physical sector size, and wonders which way of sinalling would be better: Just fail in ata_init() with a negative rc, or better panicf() and tell what's wrong |
| 09:02:14 | * | GodEater thinks the latter |
| 09:02:22 | B4gder | me too, since it can't continue anyway from there then |
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| 09:03:28 | GodEater | btw Bagder, I was only half serious about Bermuda, it has several other drawbacks : a) No-one we know lives there, so organising a venue would be tricky. b) It has lots of beaches which provide a distraction ;) |
| 09:03:42 | B4gder | hehe |
| 09:04:00 | GodEater | I can't see anyone being happy about getting sand / seawater in their laptops |
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| 09:05:21 | GodEater | I wonder if South Africa might be a good destination - it's about 10 hours from Europe - and I suspect not *too* bad from Australia. Only thing I'm not sure on is the flight time from the US. |
| 09:05:31 | GodEater | although again cost is probably prohibitive |
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| 09:07:52 | amiconn | If travel costs would be nearly proportional to distance, calculating the best location would just involve to minimize the total travelling distance for all attendees |
| 09:08:14 | amiconn | But I guess the assumption doesn't hold... |
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| 09:09:18 | GodEater | sadly not no |
| 09:09:31 | GodEater | travel costs are lowest when you're going to a "hub" location |
| 09:09:59 | Stygian | Hmmm. Using Cygwin to patch this firmware. I've done everything according to the wiki guild to compiling, and it's doing nothing. "patch −−binary -p0 ipod55g-4.diff" |
| 09:10:00 | GodEater | it costs me nearly the same to fly to Lisbon as it does to New York from London |
| 09:10:03 | Stygian | and it's hanging. |
| 09:10:11 | amiconn | Not necessarily, but big cities are usually good |
| 09:10:17 | bluebrother | Stygian: patch < patchfile |
| 09:10:17 | Stygian | need to ctrl+c to be able to do anything. |
| 09:10:24 | Stygian | ah, of couse. |
| 09:10:43 | amiconn | The cheaper airlines do not always fly to the big 'hub' airports |
| 09:10:44 | bluebrother | otherwise it will wait for the diff on stdin (until EOF) |
| 09:10:47 | GodEater | Stygian: first, why −−binary? second, you need to use "<" |
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| 09:10:56 | GodEater | amiconn - very true |
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| 09:11:23 | Stygian | Perfect. Thank you :) |
| 09:11:34 | Stygian | ls |
| 09:11:40 | Stygian | wrong window. |
| 09:12:06 | scorche | the issue is also having devcon in a city where no one has "connections" such as the contactor building...meeting space can be very expensive, and doing something like i am doing with devcon-west (having it in a large suite in a hotel) is much cheaper than renting meeting space |
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| 09:13:52 | GodEater | scorche: Heh - the impression I get from too much US TV is that you all live in palacial (compared to European) houses with enough room for 20 guests easily :) |
| 09:14:10 | austriancoder | good morning, please review my patch the last time, as i want to commit it the next 48 hours :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138 |
| 09:14:11 | scorche | we arent all rich... |
| 09:14:40 | amiconn | Another way to reduce travel costs is just setting the date early enough. Flights are cheaper when booked early |
| 09:14:55 | GodEater | scorche: I don't think it's about being "rich" it's about property prices being WAY lower :) But I do realise it's an idea mostly based on fictional TV |
| 09:14:57 | scorche | indeed |
| 09:15:07 | scorche | GodEater: depends where you live |
| 09:15:49 | GodEater | scorche: I'm guessing you could get quite a big place if you live in the middle of, say, Alaska ;) |
| 09:16:42 | scorche | something like that out in the middle of nowhere, but in, say, the coast of southern california, property is quite expensive |
| 09:17:12 | * | GodEater wishes he'd taken his chance to go and live and work in Manhattan (all expenses paid!) |
| 09:17:21 | * | scorche would have |
| 09:17:32 | * | GodEater <−−- dumb ass |
| 09:17:47 | GodEater | won't turn it down again if I get offered |
| 09:19:02 | Stygian | woohoo. everything compiled. now to test it. |
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| 09:28:24 | Stygian | woot. it worked. |
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| 09:34:22 | Stygian | Is there still a way to boot into the default apple OS instead of Rockbox, as it's booting up? |
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| 09:34:38 | B4gder | Stygian: not with the rockbox bootloader, no |
| 09:35:45 | GodEater | Stygian, not as *default* anyway. You can still boot Apple OS. Just flick the hold switch to "on" as soon as you power up the player. |
| 09:36:13 | Stygian | Awesome, exactly what I wanted :) Thanks! |
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| 09:40:05 | petur | the devcon bottles are now up for sale on e-bay, the shipping cost needs finetuning (I'll get it cheaper) |
| 09:40:38 | jaczehack | a bag of signed bottles |
| 09:40:48 | petur | the 3 videos I made are being uploaded to dailymotion.com |
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| 09:44:01 | petur | http://www.dailymotion.com/group/60452 |
| 09:45:12 | krustyclo | hi |
| 09:45:40 | GodEater | petur: nice :) |
| 09:46:52 | LinusN | haha |
| 09:48:27 | LinusN | it's amazing what a few bottles of beer can do |
| 09:48:42 | B4gder | haha |
| 09:48:51 | B4gder | especially when we had the beers the day before ;-) |
| 09:49:19 | LinusN | right :-P |
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| 09:51:18 | LinusN | and of course i found my subpack when i got home... |
| 09:51:18 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 09:51:18 | petur | lol |
| 09:51:18 | B4gder | the meeting vid is very interesting without sound... |
| 09:51:18 | * | B4gder forgot his earplugs at home today |
| 09:52:53 | LinusN | hehe, i called OS X "evil" :-) |
| 09:53:26 | B4gder | ooops |
| 09:53:30 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 09:53:35 | LinusN | and the zune project gets its fair share... :-) |
| 09:53:49 | LinusN | oooo, bad "box" jokes |
| 09:54:00 | B4gder | now we know why the images-only feed is a good idea ;-) |
| 09:54:02 | petur | if it's too bad I can take it down again ;) |
| 09:54:07 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 09:55:47 | LinusN | that was really one of the more important discussions :-) |
| 09:55:57 | B4gder | what did it cover? |
| 09:56:01 | petur | "the windows dudes can still manage but the mac dudes are totally lost" |
| 09:56:05 | LinusN | rbutil |
| 09:56:09 | B4gder | ah |
| 09:56:49 | petur | bagofshit is covered too |
| 09:56:53 | LinusN | lovely |
| 09:57:08 | * | scorche doesnt see a meeting vid |
| 09:57:19 | B4gder | http://www.dailymotion.com/group/60452/tag/RockBox/1 |
| 09:57:40 | GodEater | it needs subtitles |
| 09:57:42 | krustyclo | LinusN, os x is far from evil |
| 09:57:44 | scorche | hrm....strange...see it now |
| 09:57:58 | GodEater | the accoustics in that room are dreadful |
| 09:58:08 | B4gder | krustyclo: sorry, we have video proof now saying it is |
| 09:58:15 | krustyclo | what do you mean ? |
| 09:58:22 | petur | my camera only does 8kHz, sorry |
| 09:58:51 | B4gder | krustyclo: the video we're talking about where Linus says that about mac os |
| 09:59:04 | GodEater | so it must be true! |
| 09:59:13 | krustyclo | :p |
| 09:59:20 | B4gder | it says so on the internet, then it is true! |
| 09:59:23 | krustyclo | i used linux for 12 years or so |
| 09:59:32 | krustyclo | then sold my pc and got a macbook... |
| 09:59:41 | krustyclo | id never go back to a pc again... ' |
| 09:59:59 | petur | krustyclo: it's just about the fact that many osx users have a problem unzipping .rockbox to their player |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:12 | krustyclo | i didnt have any probs |
| 10:00:13 | petur | don't take it personally |
| 10:00:18 | krustyclo | no im not ... |
| 10:00:24 | krustyclo | sounds a pebkac problem |
| 10:00:26 | GodEater | krustyclo: that's because by running linux you've demonstrated having a clue |
| 10:00:33 | GodEater | most OSX users don't have one |
| 10:00:42 | krustyclo | i didnt switch from windows to os x |
| 10:00:55 | krustyclo | so its nice to drop to a command shell and run rm -rf / every now and then |
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| 10:01:14 | krustyclo | to keep my system running well |
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| 10:01:33 | GodEater | we've had questions from some OSX users on how to start the shell. Then they've no idea what to do with it after they've started it. |
| 10:01:57 | krustyclo | oh.. sounds windows newbs |
| 10:02:12 | krustyclo | they houldnt be messin around in terminal if they dunno wtf theyre doing |
| 10:02:29 | B4gder | the unzip problems the mac os x users have is proof of silliness imho |
| 10:02:34 | GodEater | indeed |
| 10:02:39 | GodEater | it's completely braindead |
| 10:02:42 | krustyclo | why ? |
| 10:02:46 | petur | exactly. that's why we need an easy tool for those users |
| 10:02:51 | krustyclo | os x comes with a built in unzip utility |
| 10:03:21 | B4gder | yes, and that clearly isn't good enough for users |
| 10:03:23 | GodEater | because it unzips the rockbox.zip file into a folder called "rockbox" |
| 10:03:32 | GodEater | instead of unzipping what's IN the zip file |
| 10:03:37 | krustyclo | oh |
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| 10:03:52 | krustyclo | then all you do is copy the contents of the folder to the mp3 player |
| 10:03:54 | krustyclo | how hard is that ? |
| 10:04:03 | GodEater | too hard for most of our users |
| 10:04:10 | GodEater | esp. the OSX ones. |
| 10:04:15 | schula | hehe |
| 10:04:17 | krustyclo | again, a pebkac problem |
| 10:04:21 | krustyclo | know what that means ? |
| 10:04:25 | B4gder | I disagree |
| 10:04:27 | * | petur feels sorry the vid only covers rbutil, but the camera just ran until battery empty, which was after 10mins :( |
| 10:04:31 | GodEater | I disagree too |
| 10:04:45 | GodEater | OSX's unzip utility shouldn't invent folders |
| 10:05:06 | LinusN | krustyclo: and the reason that they fail to copy it is because .rockbox is hidden |
| 10:05:17 | krustyclo | o |
| 10:05:27 | B4gder | you can't blame the users for not being good at working around flaws in the unzip untility |
| 10:05:28 | scorche | petur: perhaps next time we should record video through camera and audio though rockbox and sync later?...audio really is dreadful |
| 10:05:29 | krustyclo | usually i unzip it in terminal |
| 10:05:37 | LinusN | there is no way to unzip the contents of the zip directly onto the device using the builtin zip tool |
| 10:05:40 | krustyclo | you know what the real problem is ? |
| 10:05:45 | scorche | or even have a decent video recorder |
| 10:05:50 | GodEater | yes. "OSX is evil" |
| 10:05:55 | B4gder | krustyclo: mac os x? ;-P |
| 10:05:55 | krustyclo | its a lack of understanding of unix based file systems and naming conventions |
| 10:05:58 | GodEater | we already said ;) |
| 10:06:07 | Zagor | krustyclo: from the osx team, yes |
| 10:06:18 | krustyclo | i used linux so i know that files beginning with . are hidden |
| 10:06:41 | petur | scorche: I just made these to let people get an idea how devcon looks and feels |
| 10:06:47 | GodEater | krustyclo: and again, most OSX users haven't done that and DON'T know that and they shouldn't HAVE to |
| 10:06:50 | LinusN | krustyclo: but the majority of os x users don't know that |
| 10:06:50 | krustyclo | but i can see how the windows to os x newb wouldnt know that |
| 10:07:03 | krustyclo | well i guess im ahead of the game |
| 10:07:04 | krustyclo | ;) |
| 10:07:09 | LinusN | yup |
| 10:07:10 | GodEater | how about the "never used windows or linux" OSX users ? |
| 10:07:23 | Zagor | if macosx unzip would just do what you tell it to, none of this would be a problem |
| 10:07:24 | krustyclo | this kind of stuff isnt for them |
| 10:07:29 | krustyclo | it does |
| 10:07:34 | Zagor | no it doesn |
| 10:07:35 | krustyclo | 01100111011011110010000001100110011101010110001101101011001000000111100101101111011101010111001001110011011001010110110001100110 |
| 10:07:36 | Zagor | 't |
| 10:07:41 | krustyclo | who can translate that |
| 10:07:49 | LinusN | i really miss the "B", "P" and "F" in the tracker email subjects... |
| 10:07:57 | Zagor | LinusN: coming soon |
| 10:07:59 | petur | hey, don't talk binary to me like that |
| 10:08:03 | krustyclo | lol |
| 10:08:46 | GodEater | if the unzip utility wasn't so brain dead on OSX, we wouldn't have all the "help!" posts in our installation forums |
| 10:08:55 | krustyclo | its not os x |
| 10:09:08 | krustyclo | a graphical unzip utility in linux would do the same |
| 10:09:09 | Zagor | no, it's unzip on osx |
| 10:09:12 | krustyclo | no it isnt |
| 10:09:16 | Zagor | krazykit: no |
| 10:09:16 | krustyclo | the file is hidden |
| 10:09:26 | Zagor | the hidden file is not the problem. the fake folder is. |
| 10:09:35 | LinusN | exactly |
| 10:09:41 | krustyclo | thats not the utils fault |
| 10:09:52 | LinusN | it definitely is |
| 10:09:55 | krustyclo | what if there were 10,000 files in the zip |
| 10:09:58 | Zagor | of course it is. the util is inventing a folder that does not exist in the zip |
| 10:10:02 | krustyclo | without a folder structure |
| 10:10:15 | B4gder | ? |
| 10:10:18 | krustyclo | i always extract a zip into a containing folder |
| 10:10:19 | B4gder | there isn't |
| 10:10:27 | krustyclo | huh ? |
| 10:10:29 | Zagor | krustyclo: now you want hand-holding and "protect me from my computer"? |
| 10:10:33 | krustyclo | no |
| 10:10:46 | krustyclo | im saying, it makes sense to extract into a containing folder |
| 10:10:51 | krustyclo | call it fake if you want |
| 10:10:51 | GodEater | no it doesn't |
| 10:10:55 | B4gder | we all think the tool should extract the files that were added to the zip, exactly those files |
| 10:11:02 | B4gder | except you krustyclo |
| 10:11:23 | Zagor | krustyclo: if it was an option, i could agree with you. but not when you can't disable that behavious. |
| 10:11:28 | krustyclo | 0111100101101111011101010010000001100111011101010111100101110011001000000110000101101110011011100110111101111001001000000110110101100101 |
| 10:11:31 | krustyclo | :p |
| 10:11:42 | Zagor | out of arguments? |
| 10:11:43 | petur | ok, shall I remove that rbutil vid again and let peace return? |
| 10:11:54 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:12:00 | GodEater | petur: no way! |
| 10:13:02 | krustyclo | did anyone get that ? |
| 10:13:12 | scorche | krustyclo: saying that (the first) in binary does not make it ok..that is against the guidelines... |
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| 10:13:22 | B4gder | silly arguments event |
| 10:13:23 | linuxstb_ | B4gder: Is there a plan to produce 64MB ipod video current/daily builds (sorry if I missed talk of this in IRC - I've been away from home for 4 days and only scanned the logs) ? |
| 10:13:27 | krustyclo | lol |
| 10:13:29 | scorche | speaking in binary is against them as well |
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| 10:13:43 | B4gder | linuxstb_: yes I'll add such ones |
| 10:13:54 | krustyclo | you guys did an awesome job at rockbox |
| 10:14:03 | linuxstb | B4gder: OK. That means extra detection is needed for ipodpatcher (for when it's used with rbutil)... |
| 10:14:05 | krustyclo | well those of you here who worked on it |
| 10:14:43 | B4gder | linuxstb: ah yes indeed. BTW, do you know if the 5.5G 30GB has 32mb? |
| 10:14:47 | GodEater | linuxstb: which bit of ipodpatcher cares ? |
| 10:15:01 | krustyclo | so far i havent had any problems with RB |
| 10:15:12 | linuxstb | B4gder: Not for sure - I've just assumed (like everyone) it's the same as the 5G 30GB. |
| 10:15:24 | B4gder | ok |
| 10:15:29 | krustyclo | LinusN, GodEater have you guys tried ipodlinux ? |
| 10:15:39 | LinusN | i haven't |
| 10:15:43 | GodEater | krustyclo: nope - it doesn't interest me |
| 10:15:44 | B4gder | GodEater: the part that downloads a particular zip for your target I guess |
| 10:15:53 | krustyclo | dont it isnt stable at all |
| 10:15:58 | GodEater | ipodpatcher does that ?!?! |
| 10:16:04 | B4gder | oh |
| 10:16:07 | linuxstb | GodEater: ipodpatcher itself doesn't care, but the ipodpatcher detection code is used by rbutil which installs daily/current builds - so it needs to report the 64MB targets. |
| 10:16:08 | * | B4gder thought about rbutil |
| 10:16:15 | GodEater | aaaah |
| 10:16:17 | GodEater | makes sense |
| 10:16:39 | GodEater | do we know how to detect that then ? |
| 10:16:47 | GodEater | other than relying on the model ? |
| 10:16:53 | linuxstb | We can only go by disk size I think. |
| 10:17:00 | GodEater | hmm |
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| 10:17:50 | GodEater | is it only the 60 and the 80 that we know of with 64MB ? |
| 10:18:10 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 10:18:32 | * | GodEater built a 64MB rockbox version yesterday for his 80GB |
| 10:18:50 | krustyclo | man i wwish my ipod had a bigger hd |
| 10:19:20 | Stygian | how big is it? |
| 10:19:25 | krustyclo | :p 4GB |
| 10:19:35 | Stygian | :( |
| 10:20:08 | krustyclo | its an ipod mini. i dont think the hd is replaceable |
| 10:20:18 | krustyclo | wait minis dont use flash mem do they ? |
| 10:20:23 | GodEater | I think you can replace the mini's HD with compact flash can't you ? |
| 10:20:27 | scorche | you can |
| 10:21:27 | B4gder | should I add a "current" build for ipod 64mb as well? |
| 10:21:29 | GodEater | Not sure what size options that gives you though |
| 10:21:40 | GodEater | B4gder: why bother ? ;) |
| 10:21:57 | B4gder | only if we have a bunch of such users who want the bleeding stuff |
| 10:22:22 | GodEater | hang on, current = svn right ? Yes definitely in that case. |
| 10:22:27 | B4gder | exactly |
| 10:22:35 | GodEater | I'd use it |
| 10:22:57 | B4gder | first more coffee, then I'll poke on the script |
| 10:23:00 | linuxstb | B4gder: I thought current builds were what we recommend everyone to use? |
| 10:23:08 | GodEater | btw - British Telecom are still proving to be the world's biggest pains in the ass, I still have no internet at my new home - but my build server is yearning to come back to the gang. |
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| 10:23:47 | bluebrother | krustyclo: you can replace the mini's hard drive with a CF card |
| 10:24:14 | krustyclo | yea im reading about it but it looks kind of tricky |
| 10:24:30 | bluebrother | you need to make a small adjustment to the RB source, but that's not complicated |
| 10:24:31 | GodEater | linuxstb: that's what I think too - we always ask people to use svn over "daily" if they report a problem. |
| 10:24:38 | bluebrother | I tried that mod, it's really easy. |
| 10:24:53 | bluebrother | the only problem is that there are cards around that don't work "good" |
| 10:24:57 | GodEater | tbh, I think we should drop the daily's |
| 10:25:53 | krustyclo | bluebrother, it isnt worth doing it even if i get an 8gb compactflash card |
| 10:25:57 | B4gder | the dailies serve two purposes |
| 10:26:02 | linuxstb | GodEater: The dailies are useful when users report new problems - they can go back over the last 30 days and check. |
| 10:26:10 | B4gder | exactly |
| 10:26:19 | GodEater | ah I see |
| 10:26:28 | GodEater | maybe we should rename them "troubleshooting" builds |
| 10:26:29 | linuxstb | B4gder: two purposes? |
| 10:26:29 | B4gder | and the fact that they're built on a single host also makes the situation somewhat more controlled in case of odd errors |
| 10:26:44 | B4gder | that has helped us in the past |
| 10:26:48 | GodEater | in cases of odd binutils behaviour you mean ? |
| 10:26:52 | GodEater | or the like |
| 10:26:55 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:27:02 | GodEater | makes sense |
| 10:27:38 | linuxstb | B4gder: BTW, I've been reading the devcon report - what does dropping support for ROMbox mean? Will it be removed from SVN, or just left as it is today? |
| 10:28:06 | GodEater | there's a report now ? |
| 10:28:19 | B4gder | linuxstb: mostly that we leave it as it is today, and no actual effort in making it ever work again |
| 10:28:25 | linuxstb | GodEater: The wiki page |
| 10:28:40 | bluebrother | krustyclo: depends on what you call worth it. I really like the idea |
| 10:28:40 | * | GodEater goes to read it |
| 10:29:00 | krustyclo | bluebrother, isnt the highest capacity that you can get now 8GB ? |
| 10:29:09 | krustyclo | as far as compactflash goes ? |
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| 10:29:24 | bluebrother | I'm not sure, but if not 16GB should be around in some time |
| 10:29:30 | amiconn | hi LinusN :) |
| 10:29:33 | bluebrother | so the mod itself is quite interesting. |
| 10:29:57 | LinusN | amiconn: hi! |
| 10:29:58 | bluebrother | my problem is only that those cards aren't too cheap and I don't have too much money to spend on something like that |
| 10:30:10 | krustyclo | yea |
| 10:30:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: Just the fact that we accept rombox became too big for most archoses nowadays. |
| 10:30:20 | krustyclo | i dont want to shell out a lot just to go from 4-8gb |
| 10:30:28 | amiconn | Of course we should still try to write nice compact and efficient code |
| 10:30:42 | bluebrother | hehe. I did that anyway because I replaced the battery |
| 10:30:44 | GodEater | amiconn: of course :) |
| 10:30:59 | amiconn | The 2 targets where rombox still fits will of course continue to provide it as long as possible |
| 10:31:07 | amiconn | (Ondio SP and Player) |
| 10:31:15 | B4gder | at next commit there should be a 64mb video version built |
| 10:31:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Where did you find something that says identify word 47 bit 8 is a "validity" bit? |
| 10:31:50 | GodEater | I assume detecting the amount of memory and allocating the right amount at runtime is non-trivial ? |
| 10:32:02 | amiconn | None of the ata-5, ata-6 and ata-7 specs I checked say that, and none of my hdd targets have that set |
| 10:32:12 | B4gder | GodEater: for the 64mb you mean? |
| 10:32:40 | B4gder | GodEater: it requires us to re-arrange where we put stuff in memory somewhat |
| 10:33:03 | amiconn | I also checked the multisectors reported by my 6 hdd targets. All report 16 except the mini G2's microdrive, which even does report 32 |
| 10:33:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: Does your patch still need testing on "normal" ipod videos? |
| 10:33:40 | B4gder | GodEater: here's amiconn suggesting how to fix it "properly": petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0011.jpg">http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0011.jpg |
| 10:33:43 | amiconn | But the ata specs say that '0' is a reserved value, so the G5.5/80's hdd violates the ata specs here |
| 10:34:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes. I am also interested in a filesystem performance test patched vs. unpatched, if possible |
| 10:35:39 | krustyclo | hey bluebrother |
| 10:35:41 | krustyclo | still here ? |
| 10:35:47 | B4gder | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo64mb/ |
| 10:37:11 | GodEater | B4gder: is one of those the current layout, and the other the proposed one? And if so, which is which ? :) |
| 10:37:45 | B4gder | they're both the same |
| 10:37:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I'll do that, but it won't be until this evening. Adding support for the 80GB means a new ipodpatcher released with updated bootloaders, and there are some things I would like to fix in ipodpatcher (and the bootloaders) before doing that. But I should be able to do that this evening as well. |
| 10:37:55 | krustyclo | bluebrother, you here ? |
| 10:38:00 | B4gder | GodEater: just one using a fixed name and the other a dated one |
| 10:38:33 | GodEater | I meant in amiconn's diagram |
| 10:38:39 | B4gder | oh |
| 10:38:43 | GodEater | sorry |
| 10:38:54 | B4gder | GodEater: the left is the current, and the right is the proposed new one |
| 10:38:55 | GodEater | I assume the one on the left is the ideal layout |
| 10:39:01 | GodEater | argh |
| 10:39:03 | GodEater | I meant right |
| 10:39:10 | linuxstb | GodEater: The problem is that plugins and codecs are compiled and linked to be executed from fixed addresses at the end of RAM. The suggested fix (amiconn's diagram) is to move plugins and codecs to the start of RAM instead. |
| 10:39:30 | GodEater | and then just extend the buffer off into space... |
| 10:39:34 | GodEater | nice idea |
| 10:40:01 | GodEater | does that mean that the codecs / plugins will now have to fit into a given amount of space ? |
| 10:40:21 | petur | they already had to |
| 10:40:24 | B4gder | this pic is a bit clearer petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg">http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg |
| 10:40:24 | linuxstb | That's how it works at the moment - two 512KB buffers at the end of RAM |
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| 10:40:54 | GodEater | when will I remember not to click on a link in this thing ? |
| 10:41:02 | GodEater | can you post that last one again B4gder ? |
| 10:41:06 | B4gder | this pic is a bit clearer petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg">http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg |
| 10:41:13 | GodEater | thanks :) |
| 10:41:20 | B4gder | its the same diagram, just a better pic of it |
| 10:41:38 | GodEater | yep - a bit easier to read |
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| 10:43:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'll extend test_disk.rock to also test file create/open/delete performance, hopefully tonight |
| 10:43:25 | linuxstb | Was the operation of the bootloader discussed? i.e. should Rockbox be loaded directly to the destination address or continued to be loaded to the start of RAM and copied? |
| 10:43:25 | amiconn | It would be nice to see disk performance patched vs. unpatched on a G5 (or G5.5/30) |
| 10:43:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: No problem, I can do that. |
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| 10:43:45 | linuxstb | (G5 30GB) |
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| 10:48:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think the bootloader should continue to work like it does, and if we have a target where rockbox is split somehow in memory, crt0 should do that. It already handles several memory related inits anyway (iram, bss) |
| 10:48:46 | amiconn | Zagor: around? |
| 10:48:53 | Zagor | yup |
| 10:51:06 | amiconn | I know why the irc irc reader script breaks in IE: While mozilla uses document.styleSheets[m].cssRules[n], for IE it must be document.styleSheets[m].rules[n] |
| 10:51:26 | Zagor | oh great... |
| 10:51:31 | amiconn | Unfortunately it's hard to test without having the .pl script available as well... |
| 10:51:43 | Zagor | do you want it? |
| 10:52:31 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.txt |
| 10:52:52 | amiconn | Does that script have further special requirements, or does it just monitor the plaintext log file? |
| 10:53:34 | Zagor | it jst reads "current" or if you send it a date param |
| 10:53:58 | LinusN | amiconn: the validity bit check is wrong in my patch, it is supposed to check word 59 and not 47 |
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| 10:54:51 | amiconn | LinusN: My new patch just checks for the reserved multisectors value instead. Do you think that's a problem? |
| 10:55:07 | Zagor | and vavawoom, here I spot a vulnerability in that script. download it now, because I'm taking down the .txt link. |
| 10:55:31 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm not sure, but since the spec defines a validity bit, perhaps we should use it |
| 10:57:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you have any interest in doing the 64MB reorganisation? |
| 10:58:13 | amiconn | LinusN: This validity bit is for the actual setting, not for the capability reported in word 47 |
| 10:58:35 | LinusN | ah, of course |
| 10:58:46 | amiconn | But word 59 bits 0..7 "might" tell us the preferred value for the disk |
| 10:59:01 | * | amiconn loves simple and clear specs </sarcasm> |
| 10:59:28 | LinusN | even more when the manufacturers abuse them |
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| 11:00:09 | GodEater | have they abused them? Or are they just as confused as us ? |
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| 11:00:23 | amiconn | Anyone around with a G5.5 30GB? |
| 11:02:16 | LinusN | GodEater: in this case it is a clear error, where they report a reserved value for the multisector capability |
| 11:02:56 | GodEater | lets petition Toshiba and tell them what we think of them :) |
| 11:04:21 | B4gder | bluebrother: your fsstrip thing has been added |
| 11:06:38 | * | LinusN adds Toshiba to HitList |
| 11:07:12 | B4gder | can we buy Toshiba with the Rockbox fund? |
| 11:07:42 | * | Zagor checks the bank account |
| 11:07:48 | Zagor | what do they cost? |
| 11:08:08 | Zagor | they can't be very expensive, can they? |
| 11:08:38 | B4gder | I doubt it, they're japanese and I hear a yen is almost nothing ;-) |
| 11:09:13 | GodEater | make them an offer... |
| 11:10:15 | B4gder | "hello sir, we in the Rockbox project have decided we want to buy your cute company. We offer you the sum of 1000 yens for a quick deal. Agree?" |
| 11:10:48 | markun | B4gder: we could even take the old Gigabeat back into production! |
| 11:11:45 | * | austriancoder will commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138?getfile=13967 in 5 minutes, if nobody says somthing aginst it in the next 5 minutes |
| 11:11:46 | GodEater | we could mass produce our own ideal platform |
| 11:12:00 | * | LinusN adds austriancoder to HitList |
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| 11:12:08 | B4gder | austriancoder: that's not really a good way to proceed |
| 11:12:13 | B4gder | 5 minutes is nothing |
| 11:12:38 | LinusN | at least allow some time for the hitmen to arrive |
| 11:12:39 | * | GodEater hides so that he can miss going on to LinusN's hitlist |
| 11:13:08 | austriancoder | B4gder: the patch is there for more than 5 minutes in the tracker and I told the irc to review it yesterday.. i only want to go for sure, that everybody is okay with it |
| 11:13:27 | B4gder | austriancoder: lots of devs didn't see that yday or saw this today |
| 11:13:40 | B4gder | as jdgordon can tell you... |
| 11:14:02 | B4gder | asking things on IRC like "speak up if you object or I commit" is not good |
| 11:14:18 | B4gder | since at any single moment, most devs are not present |
| 11:14:43 | austriancoder | B4gder: okay.. review it and if everything is okay i will commit it in 48 hours |
| 11:15:17 | B4gder | if you posted such a request on the dev mailing list I would consider it ok |
| 11:15:41 | B4gder | because 1) I'm not the one to review it anyway and 2) the stuff I said about devs reading the IRC right now |
| 11:16:13 | B4gder | but then I'm not saying you necessarily must have it reviewed |
| 11:16:18 | LinusN | i think the patch looks OK |
| 11:16:34 | B4gder | food |
| 11:16:45 | austriancoder | B4gder: indirectly it did it: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-05/0112.shtml |
| 11:16:55 | LinusN | and if you feel confident about it, and are prepared to handle any immediate problems, feel free to commit |
| 11:18:07 | austriancoder | LinusN: thanks... |
| 11:19:14 | linuxstb | austriancoder: I've only just looked at the patch briefly, but have one comment - could you make audiohw.h include the low-level .h file (e.g. uda1380.h), instead of the other way around? |
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| 11:21:51 | linuxstb | I think that would also mean you could get rid of the useless mas35xx.h file. |
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| 11:29:00 | markun | linuxstb: I wonder if he doesn't reply because he is already committing.. |
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| 11:37:31 | bluebrother | B4gder: nice. |
| 11:37:32 | pondlife | scorche: Thanks |
| 11:37:44 | scorche | pondlife: revenge is sweet, no? |
| 11:37:54 | pondlife | Is it too early for beer-fuelled violence in this channel? |
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| 11:38:55 | pondlife | What's up with the build system, btw? |
| 11:39:22 | ender` | looks like one of the servers doesn't quite work |
| 11:39:58 | pondlife | Just one? It's being fed plenty of builds to do.. |
| 11:40:54 | pondlife | Perhaps the build system could spot a build time of <2 seconds and temporarily eliminate that server? |
| 11:41:27 | pondlife | Build times of ( 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0) are very "impressive", no? |
| 11:42:29 | ender` | yup :) |
| 11:42:50 | * | pondlife wonders if that's in binary or not |
| 11:47:13 | LinusN | damn, someone enabled the nuclearscripting server again, i disabled that one last week |
| 11:47:39 | pondlife | "Christmas time is here again" |
| 11:47:48 | ender` | what's wrong with that server (aside from not building stuff)? |
| 11:48:11 | safetydan | woo, upgrading libspeex to 1.2beta2 makes it go 0.6% faster on coldfire |
| 11:48:25 | * | safetydan thanks linuxstb for the test_codec plugin |
| 11:48:30 | LinusN | ender`: last week it made the entire build system freeze for some reason |
| 11:48:38 | Zagor | whee, B/P/F prefixes added again |
| 11:48:53 | linuxstb | safetydan: You're welcome :) I'm constantly thanking myself for it, and wondering why I didn't do it two years ago... |
| 11:49:27 | pondlife | Should sound on 80GB iPod be added to te |
| 11:49:33 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges I mean |
| 11:49:41 | linuxstb | pondlife: Only when it's in SVN |
| 11:49:42 | LinusN | not until we commit it |
| 11:49:59 | pondlife | Ah, ok. I thought it was the "Ladies and Gentleman" we triggered on. |
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| 11:50:19 | pondlife | Or at least on the front page. |
| 11:52:37 | pondlife | e.g. "2006-03-28: Sound on iAudio X5!." |
| 11:53:47 | linuxstb | Isn't disk access on the 80GB the news, rather than sound? |
| 11:53:54 | LinusN | i agree about the front page |
| 11:54:13 | pondlife | It was still a L&G... |
| 11:54:31 | linuxstb | pondlife: I'm partly referring to that... |
| 11:54:50 | pondlife | Although suvch a post may trigger a flood of 80GB n00bs to our support channels :( |
| 11:55:20 | linuxstb | Yes, it will give an influx of new users. |
| 11:55:41 | pondlife | Indeed, and new devs too, ultimately. |
| 11:57:37 | safetydan | dammit |
| 11:59:20 | amiconn | LinusN: I think the patch can be simplified a bit more. We don't really need 2 cached sectors; one will be enough |
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| 11:59:57 | amiconn | I didn't think about that before, I just chose 2 because on the Ondio we need 2 (because of the bitswap running in the background) |
| 11:59:59 | LinusN | amiconn: i haven't studied the patch yet |
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| 12:00:10 | LinusN | ah of course |
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| 12:08:25 | B4gder | LinusN: I re-enabled that server since chrisjs169 was here and he re-installed the box |
| 12:08:45 | LinusN | not a very good reinstall i must say :-) |
| 12:09:21 | B4gder | clearly not |
| 12:10:17 | linuxstb | B4gder: Do both ipodvideo builds get the "ipvd" magic? |
| 12:10:29 | linuxstb | (in the scramble header) |
| 12:10:38 | B4gder | yes |
| 12:10:52 | B4gder | possibly we should change that |
| 12:11:29 | linuxstb | Yes, I think so. I'll think about that as part of issuing the new set of bootloaders. |
| 12:12:14 | B4gder | yes, we'll get more people using the wrong builds otherwise |
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| 12:13:05 | * | amiconn thinks we should probably not change too much for the separate 64MB builds |
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| 12:21:30 | petur | lunch! |
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| 12:27:18 | linuxstb | amiconn: Why? Are you planning on doing the require reorganisation to allow a single build? |
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| 12:34:16 | markun | linuxstb: yes, I think the idea is to move the plugins and codecs to the start of the memory |
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| 12:35:23 | markun | on ARM right after the vectors |
| 12:36:06 | B4gder | i think the plan is to only do that on the targets that need it |
| 12:36:24 | linuxstb | That idea has been around for over a year - I assumed that because the simple solution (separate builds) had been committed, that no-one was stepping forward to do the nice way. |
| 12:36:38 | B4gder | a correct assumption I'd say |
| 12:36:46 | B4gder | but perhaps amiconn has seconds thoughts ;-) |
| 12:37:31 | linuxstb | Although maybe the nice way will be easier, given all the effort (updating rbutil, bootloaders, documentation etc...) required for separate builds. |
| 12:38:00 | markun | can we also detect the 8MB mod for the archoses? |
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| 12:38:32 | linuxstb | Hopefully |
| 12:39:03 | Nico_P | what changes does the "nice way" invlove ? |
| 12:40:57 | amiconn | I think the ram rearranging won't be difficult, but it involves a rather large memcpy, so I'm not sure whether we want that on all targets |
| 12:40:58 | linuxstb | Changing the .lds files, changing crt0-pp.S to relocate the main firmware code, and maybe changing some config.h variables (I'm not sure about all the places the plugin/codec load addresses are) |
| 12:41:20 | amiconn | The most difficult part would be adjusting the linker script |
| 12:41:34 | amiconn | If we go that route, we should probably do it for all targets |
| 12:41:48 | linuxstb | The memcpy was why I suggested the bootloaders simply load to the correct address to start with. |
| 12:42:13 | amiconn | It would even allow to unify the h100 and h120 builds, if we use the memory size information also to adjust for the only other difference between h100 and h120 |
| 12:42:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: There is no single 'correct address', at least not on arm, because of the vectors |
| 12:43:08 | linuxstb | We don't know how big the vectors are? |
| 12:43:46 | amiconn | We know, but the binary nees to be distributed to 2 different addresses |
| 12:44:04 | linuxstb | Isn't it just the vectors that need copying? |
| 12:44:17 | amiconn | Vectors must stay at 0 on arm, and everything else moved up by sizeof(codec_ram)+sizeof(plugin_ram) |
| 12:44:50 | linuxstb | Yes, so we load at 1MB+a little bit from the start of RAM, and just copy the vectors. |
| 12:44:54 | amiconn | Or you load everything 1MB up, and then copy the vectors the other direction |
| 12:45:08 | B4gder | sounds like a better memcpy... |
| 12:45:19 | amiconn | It would be exactly 1MB, because the vectors could still be at the start |
| 12:45:31 | Nico_P | err, silly question: what are the "vectors" ? |
| 12:45:39 | linuxstb | The interrupt vectors |
| 12:45:56 | Nico_P | ah ok |
| 12:46:46 | linuxstb | But the downside is yet another forced bootloader upgrade... |
| 12:47:12 | amiconn | Yes, and we need to make sure new bootloaders won't load old binaries and vice versa |
| 12:47:38 | amiconn | Or perhaps they could continue to support old binaries for a while, but that means even more checking |
| 12:48:00 | pondlife | Would it be possible to put a nice warning so the main code can tell the user to update their bootloader, or will a memory rearrangement make some kind of Abort the only option? |
| 12:48:38 | amiconn | And on archos we cannot just change the load address, because rockbox is loaded by the archos loader unless it's flashed |
| 12:49:09 | amiconn | Otoh it woulöd be less of a problem with the self-decompressing binary on rec v1 |
| 12:50:50 | pondlife | Hmm, Flyspray has the "by <nick>" back in it's mailing subject :( |
| 12:52:03 | pondlife | Very likely my fault for using OE to read the newsgroup, but I find it breaks the threading display. |
| 12:54:31 | chrisjs169 | B4gder: so what's up with my server? |
| 12:54:46 | B4gder | see the build page |
| 12:54:56 | B4gder | 'ld' errors |
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| 12:55:17 | linuxstb | B4gder: It's not even 'ld' errors - the build never starts. |
| 12:55:32 | chrisjs169 | o_O |
| 12:55:34 | B4gder | right, they show up as ld errors in the table |
| 12:55:57 | petur | maybe it fails to svn update? |
| 12:56:59 | B4gder | that seems to work |
| 12:57:09 | B4gder | the master script does that first for all servers |
| 12:57:32 | chrisjs169 | petur - I think you're right - I just did svn up and it updated a few files |
| 12:57:39 | petur | strange error it gives |
| 12:57:55 | petur | like it missed some files in the tools folder? |
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| 12:58:15 | chrisjs169 | looks like they're all there |
| 12:59:46 | petur | somethings wrong with the build size table, it doesn't like the extra 64MB target |
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| 13:00:15 | pondlife | It's just the total column needs a heading, isn't it? |
| 13:00:16 | B4gder | yeah, but I don't think its worth working a lot with |
| 13:00:29 | pondlife | Ah, it has one... |
| 13:00:47 | petur | the non-existing builds don't have a cell |
| 13:00:57 | chrisjs169 | I think I found the problem |
| 13:00:59 | chrisjs169 | odd one though |
| 13:04:04 | amiconn | B4gder: The images in the table header cells still need width and height properties... |
| 13:04:14 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:05:24 | amiconn | The jumping table when the images aren't cached is annoying... |
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| 13:07:10 | B4gder | jumping? |
| 13:07:15 | B4gder | it never jumped for me |
| 13:07:36 | B4gder | it just struck me all the images are of the same size so it is quite easy to add it |
| 13:08:54 | amiconn | It jumps for me every few days |
| 13:09:10 | B4gder | I should make the small device pics use sizes too |
| 13:09:15 | amiconn | Firefox reserves more space than the actual width of the images |
| 13:09:47 | amiconn | So the table is wieder first (even wider than my hi-res screen), and then shrinks horizontally as the images get loaded |
| 13:09:58 | amiconn | s/wieder/wieder/ |
| 13:10:02 | amiconn | bah |
| 13:10:06 | amiconn | s/wieder/wider/ |
| 13:10:07 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:10:28 | petur | you German? :p |
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| 13:13:02 | chrisjs169 | Well I figured out what's wrong |
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| 13:13:14 | chrisjs169 | but don't have any clue how it happened... |
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| 13:16:07 | chrisjs169 | this is odd... |
| 13:16:11 | markun | chrisjs169: what was it? |
| 13:16:49 | chrisjs169 | arm-elf-gcc etc weren't installed....i'm running rockboxdev.sh again, but it isn't even creating the directory for it... |
| 13:17:19 | petur | did you remove the old dir it created last time? |
| 13:17:40 | chrisjs169 | that's the odd part - it almost looks like it didn't create a dir last time |
| 13:18:04 | chrisjs169 | guess i'll try waiting for it to finish |
| 13:18:06 | chrisjs169 | i g2g |
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| 13:18:46 | B4gder | 64bit? |
| 13:19:15 | B4gder | isn't there still a lack of a 64bit patch applied to one of them gcc builds? |
| 13:19:28 | * | B4gder has a foggy recollection of something like that |
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| 13:25:32 | chrisjs169 | 32 bit |
| 13:25:33 | preglow | coldfire needs a patch for gcc4 and above on 64 bit plats, i think |
| 13:25:37 | preglow | but we don't use those |
| 13:25:47 | B4gder | ah |
| 13:25:49 | chrisjs169 | i think it's working though, but don't enable the server yet |
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| 13:31:38 | markun | preglow: you missed some nice beer |
| 13:32:29 | preglow | i saw... |
| 13:33:11 | markun | next year? |
| 13:33:21 | petur | you could get tan empty bottle :p |
| 13:33:28 | petur | s/tan/an |
| 13:34:11 | preglow | petur: got more than enough of them, heh |
| 13:34:27 | preglow | markun: sure, i would have come this year too if i didn't already have plans |
| 13:35:52 | petur | we need a devcon2008 date asap ;) |
| 13:36:16 | desowin | start collecting beers ;-) |
| 13:36:44 | petur | nah, plenty of good shops nearby ;) |
| 13:37:05 | amiconn | Bagder: The binary size table has a problem with the added build, unlike the status table... |
| 13:37:17 | B4gder | I know |
| 13:37:20 | B4gder | but I don't care |
| 13:37:25 | B4gder | it'll get sorted out |
| 13:37:41 | B4gder | after about 18 more commits |
| 13:38:04 | petur | let that be a hint, amiconn :) |
| 13:38:33 | B4gder | or perhaps there actually is something else that is wrong as well |
| 13:38:50 | B4gder | time will tell |
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| 13:40:26 | DerPapst | linuxstb_, linuxstb__: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6705#comment15327 |
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| 13:41:10 | B4gder | check the devcon2007 page now |
| 13:41:36 | petur | whoohoo |
| 13:41:41 | pondlife | Beeer |
| 13:41:56 | petur | no, bottles |
| 13:42:01 | pondlife | :( |
| 13:42:06 | pondlife | Signed bottles :) |
| 13:42:21 | * | pondlife wants signed beer. |
| 13:46:31 | petur | B4gder: maybe also add a link to the rockbox movie group at dailymotion? |
| 13:46:43 | B4gder | indeed |
| 13:47:32 | XavierGr | petur: which of those beers was the best in your opinion? |
| 13:48:20 | petur | tripel karmeliet is my fav, but I like the chimays a lot as well |
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| 13:48:54 | petur | and westmalle of course |
| 13:49:04 | petur | and .... ;) |
| 13:49:08 | preglow | it would be hard to choose, yes... |
| 13:50:25 | petur | 8 people per bottle was a bit too much though, we didn't actually drink much beer |
| 13:53:43 | preglow | it won't be if i come |
| 13:53:57 | petur | heh |
| 13:54:18 | preglow | if any surplus would occur, i'd just buy the extra bottles from you :) |
| 13:54:23 | preglow | and probably drink them five seconds after |
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| 13:54:30 | petur | I can't bring much more, I was already 0.5kg over my allowance |
| 13:55:03 | petur | home->devcon 20.5kg devcon->home 13.5kg |
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| 13:55:29 | XavierGr | aren't there any good beers in Sweden? |
| 13:55:35 | preglow | sure |
| 13:55:40 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Thanks for testing - 154% realtime for MP3 on the 3G is looking almost usable... |
| 13:56:15 | preglow | linuxstb: is it just me or is faster without the iram on pp5020? |
| 13:56:25 | linuxstb | It's faster without iram... |
| 13:56:43 | linuxstb | See my (and TrueJournal) comments in flyspray... |
| 13:57:10 | linuxstb | But (unsurprisingly), iram gives speedups on the 3g (see DerPapst's results) |
| 13:57:24 | preglow | i don't understand why no iram would give better results |
| 13:57:28 | preglow | i don't understand that at all |
| 13:57:31 | linuxstb | Have you had a chance to look at the accuracy of the patch? |
| 13:57:48 | preglow | no, but i'm going to do so today if i can |
| 13:57:56 | linuxstb | No, nor do I. I can only assume it's related to the cache, and the cache must be faster than IRAM. |
| 13:58:00 | preglow | i think it'll be acceptable |
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| 13:58:18 | preglow | that would be... interesting |
| 13:58:41 | linuxstb | But no, I can't really think of a logical explanation... |
| 13:59:02 | linuxstb | Unless maybe it's long-calls between SDRAM and IRAM... |
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| 14:21:34 | PhoeniXYZ | Hello. I've got a question about Rockbox. When I change the font to 6+12x13 everything is not aligned anymore. But thats kinda the only font with support for Japanese characters I found. What can I do to align everything correctly? |
| 14:22:41 | linuxstb | I'm assuming you're talking about the WPS? WPSs are normally designed with a specific font in mind, and don't work correctly with different ones. |
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| 14:23:48 | PhoeniXYZ | So... can I modify the font used somehow? |
| 14:24:49 | linuxstb | It's probably easier to modify the WPS, or try different ones until you find one which looks acceptable with your font. |
| 14:26:05 | GodEater | or find one which uses your font in the first place |
| 14:26:19 | linuxstb | Or that... |
| 14:26:44 | GodEater | or make your own from scratch! |
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| 14:27:25 | PhoeniXYZ | I doesn't necessarily need to use that font. I need including a font with Japanese chars. |
| 14:27:44 | linuxstb | UniCatcher probably supports Japanese. |
| 14:28:20 | linuxstb | There's a wiki page showing which fonts support which character sets (but I forget the name) |
| 14:28:43 | linuxstb | UnicodeFonts - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 14:29:05 | PhoeniXYZ | a thanks |
| 14:29:09 | markun | no japanese there I think |
| 14:29:10 | GodEater | it's rasher's site |
| 14:29:24 | GodEater | www.rasher.dk/rockbox ? |
| 14:29:49 | markun | GodEater: there is a link to rasher's font page in the UnicodeFont page |
| 14:29:57 | GodEater | ah - my bad |
| 14:30:44 | PhoeniXYZ | in this table there is japanese, but only for unicode and 6+12x13 |
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| 14:31:57 | markun | PhoeniXYZ: it's a lot of work to draw kanji for a font, maybe you can ask pixelma to update the nimbus fonts ;) |
| 14:32:02 | GodEater | yep - that's about the size of it |
| 14:32:47 | GodEater | 6x13 claims to have some support as well - but not much |
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| 14:32:58 | PhoeniXYZ | hmm |
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| 14:33:30 | markun | GodEater: well, 6+12x13 is basically the 6x13 + 12x13 fonts |
| 14:33:32 | GodEater | you're welcome to have a hunt for other .bdf fonts that do include more CJK support |
| 14:33:56 | GodEater | I think the rockbox ones are ones we've found that have a clear license for us to distribute them |
| 14:34:03 | GodEater | it doesn't stop you using others right ? |
| 14:34:14 | markun | or you can try to convert some ttf fonts to bdf, but the quality it not always very good |
| 14:34:28 | PhoeniXYZ | i just wanted to ask whether that's possible markun |
| 14:34:29 | PhoeniXYZ | :) |
| 14:37:12 | GodEater | http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html |
| 14:38:23 | PhoeniXYZ | ah great, thank you |
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| 14:41:04 | aliask | Zagor: Would it be possible to get subscribed tasks sent via a cc in the original mail from the tracker, rather than a seperate mail? |
| 14:42:13 | Zagor | not without major patching |
| 14:42:34 | markun | PhoeniXYZ: there is a font in the tracker which at least has support for korean, don't know which other languages. |
| 14:42:55 | Zagor | aliask: but you can disable personal notifications in your profile, and thus only get from the mailing list |
| 14:46:10 | aliask | Zagor: It was nice how it was before, gmail would note that you were CC'd the mail as well and give it a little ">" next to it. If it involves patching, don't worry about it though. |
| 14:46:44 | Zagor | aliask: the way flyspray sends mail has changed, so it cannot do it the same way anymore |
| 14:46:53 | aliask | Pity. |
| 14:51:54 | * | petur reads Stockholm is getting an ABBA museum and plans to buy LinusN a ticket |
| 14:52:14 | GodEater | they're having the singers stuffed and mounted ? |
| 14:52:47 | markun | petur: maybe it's time for him to discover other bands besides ABBA and Ace of Bass, don't you think? |
| 14:53:15 | petur | at least we tried during devcon but he kept asking for them |
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| 14:56:28 | GodEater | he didn't ask for any Roxette ? |
| 14:56:43 | petur | nope |
| 14:57:18 | GodEater | so it's not enough that the band be swedish? There's some other odd criteria too ? :) |
| 14:58:48 | Zagor | I noticed there are rules set up in FlySprayHowto in wiki about how to use severity. does that mean we actually use it nowadays? |
| 14:58:54 | GodEater | who's hiding behind LinusN in the team picture? Or is that his second head ? |
| 14:59:00 | Zagor | i.e. should I unlock it for reporters again? |
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| 14:59:40 | petur | imho, those rules were set up because reporters kept using illogical choices |
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| 15:00:05 | petur | so we're better off without that field |
| 15:00:07 | B4gder | I don't think we need severity at this point at least |
| 15:00:26 | Zagor | petur: right, that's why I locked it... |
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| 15:02:15 | Zagor | i'll remove that from the wiki page then, and put a link to it from the Open New Task page |
| 15:07:18 | PhoeniXYZ | thanks for the font issue :) but i've got another problem. when looking at my songs in database mode then the songs in albums with more than one disc are sorted in the wrong way. there are the two first songs first, then the second songs... and so on. is there any chance to force rockbox to sort by the disc tag in id3v2? |
| 15:08:18 | PhoeniXYZ | "thanks for help concerning the font issue" i wanted to say, sorry |
| 15:09:17 | linuxstb | PhoeniXYZ: I don't think Rockbox supports a disc number tag, although I seem to remember seeing a patch for it. |
| 15:10:07 | linuxstb | A workaround would be to number the first disc's tracks as (e.g.) 101-115 and the second disc as (e.g.) 201-213. |
| 15:10:27 | GodEater | or name the albums with the disc number in (as I do) |
| 15:10:31 | * | amiconn just indicates the disk number in the album tag |
| 15:10:50 | PhoeniXYZ | that would result in a big rework for my whole library |
| 15:11:17 | linuxstb | GodEater/amiconn: But that wouldn't show them as a single album in the database. |
| 15:11:28 | GodEater | No it wouldn't |
| 15:11:36 | * | GodEater accepts this limitation |
| 15:11:46 | PhoeniXYZ | i found a patch but that just adds the feature right? the gui wouldnt display it? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4961 |
| 15:11:53 | * | amiconn too |
| 15:11:59 | * | linuxstb too ;) |
| 15:12:04 | GodEater | hehe |
| 15:12:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: Track numbers are limited to 2 digits |
| 15:12:19 | linuxstb | They are? Even for norwegian language courses? |
| 15:12:25 | amiconn | yup |
| 15:12:35 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 15:12:40 | B4gder | Rockbox is surely not norwegian compliant |
| 15:12:50 | * | GodEater hopes not |
| 15:12:52 | amiconn | Even when the database guesses track numbers, which is still in there and it's annoying :( |
| 15:13:02 | * | linuxstb trusts Nico will fix the norwegian bug |
| 15:13:42 | linuxstb | What limits track numbers to 2 digits? |
| 15:13:48 | GodEater | lord knows |
| 15:14:07 | GodEater | I thought I'd seen bluebrother post something about using tagnavi syntax to get three digit ones |
| 15:14:14 | GodEater | so that would imply there's no limitation |
| 15:14:21 | GodEater | but I trust amiconn's knowledge of the source |
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| 15:14:33 | PhoeniXYZ | ok.. one last question for now, how to apply a .patch file? |
| 15:14:34 | PhoeniXYZ | :) |
| 15:14:46 | linuxstb | In id3.h, "track_string" is a char* (same as the other strings), and tracknum is an int. |
| 15:14:49 | amiconn | I didn't check the source, but limiting track numbers to 2 digits is common |
| 15:15:05 | amiconn | The database definitely only displays 2 |
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| 15:15:23 | linuxstb | Maybe it's a database issue then (%02d) ? |
| 15:15:58 | amiconn | Audio CDs can't have more than 99 tracks per red book, that's where the limit comes from |
| 15:16:28 | aliask | PhoeniXYZ: It's not really an easy one step thing. You need to recompile rockbox from the source. |
| 15:17:28 | aliask | But for now, I'm off. |
| 15:17:33 | PhoeniXYZ | so its hard without unix experience? |
| 15:17:48 | aliask | There's a tutorial on the wiki somewhere |
| 15:17:51 | GodEater | tagnavi defaults to the %02d format |
| 15:17:58 | * | GodEater just looked |
| 15:17:58 | PhoeniXYZ | hm ok... |
| 15:18:02 | PhoeniXYZ | so thank you |
| 15:18:08 | aliask | np |
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| 15:18:21 | linuxstb | PhoeniXYZ: It helps to be comfortable on the command-line (any command-line...), but as aliask said, there is lots of documentation about it. |
| 15:19:29 | godzirra | heya guys. If I use senab's build (god am I so happy to have gotten rid of my zune and gotten a rockbox enabled device again) what do I need to name the jpgs? |
| 15:19:47 | PhoeniXYZ | convert them into 100x100 .bmps |
| 15:19:49 | linuxstb | What jpgs? |
| 15:19:55 | godzirra | Ahh ok. And name them what? |
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| 15:20:15 | PhoeniXYZ | cover.bmp i think :) |
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| 15:20:23 | godzirra | Got it. |
| 15:21:12 | godzirra | Hrm. I wonder if there's an easy way to find all the jpgs in subdirectories and convert them into 100x100 bmps. |
| 15:21:31 | PhoeniXYZ | i didn't find one yet |
| 15:21:33 | GodEater | imagemagick + bash scripting :) |
| 15:21:44 | godzirra | My mp3s are on my windows pc., |
| 15:21:58 | GodEater | imagemagick + bash scripting + cygwin then |
| 15:22:12 | markun | I think there are some tools for windows |
| 15:22:32 | markun | godzirra: you didn't find anything in the forums? |
| 15:22:44 | linuxstb | Or the wiki page about album art? |
| 15:23:02 | godzirra | ... I havent started looking yet. Sorry, it didnt occur to me to look since it wasn't an official rockbox build. |
| 15:23:14 | * | godzirra goes to read. |
| 15:23:14 | godzirra | sorry. |
| 15:23:49 | linuxstb | godzirra: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 15:24:58 | godzirra | I'm reading it now. |
| 15:26:00 | markun | were there many complaints yet after Cassandra removed all those WPS'? |
| 15:26:32 | petur | nly some but I think most haven't noticed |
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| 15:27:42 | PaulJam | godzirra: it works pretty well with irfan view and its batch processing |
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| 15:31:05 | godzirra | I'm reading up now. Thanks. ;) I've got to jet to work but I'll finish reading shortly. |
| 15:32:05 | linuxstb | Was there any discussion about rockbox-themes.org ? |
| 15:32:13 | linuxstb | (e.g. making it more official) |
| 15:32:59 | B4gder | nope |
| 15:33:16 | B4gder | but we should! |
| 15:33:24 | pondlife | It's a nice site, just need to remove the copyright infringers, and perhaps tone down the number of "My Humps". |
| 15:33:53 | pondlife | BTW, what was the copyright problem with the ones Cassandra removed? Winamp icons? |
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| 15:34:41 | linuxstb | IMO, the two issues are 1) Copyright - does the webmaster of rockbox-themes.org want to restrict it to "100% legal" WPSs ? 2) WPSs requiring patches - are we happy to distribute them? |
| 15:34:46 | Zagor | pondlife: "my humps"? |
| 15:34:59 | linuxstb | (and of course, 3) - does the webmaster want to make it official?) |
| 15:35:27 | pondlife | Zagor: Look at the H300 page for a sample.... |
| 15:36:03 | pondlife | The Sahara theme should certainly be using "My Humps though ;) |
| 15:36:33 | Zagor | same person making all screenshots? |
| 15:37:15 | pondlife | Guess so.. pity they had to use that track.... ;) |
| 15:37:44 | * | pondlife doesn't like it much, that's all |
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| 16:02:39 | GenjuroXL | good afternoon |
| 16:03:25 | GenjuroXL | anybody know if there is a codec speed comparison available somewhere? (speed in rockbox, obviously) |
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| 16:03:35 | GenjuroXL | google didn't really answer my question :) |
| 16:03:46 | B4gder | I don't think we have one (yet) |
| 16:04:04 | GenjuroXL | hm, i need some proof that flac and musepack are the fastest codecs in rockbox |
| 16:04:10 | petur | but we now have a tool to make one ;) |
| 16:04:24 | GenjuroXL | (random mpc haters on hydrogenaudio questioning the mpc decoding speed) |
| 16:04:25 | linuxstb | GenjuroXL: That's not a very scientific approach... ;) |
| 16:04:47 | B4gder | GenjuroXL: we have a tool you can run to test codec speed in rockbox |
| 16:04:54 | GenjuroXL | i don't even have a portable :) |
| 16:05:09 | GenjuroXL | also, i do use a scientific approach now and then (studying physics :b) |
| 16:05:17 | linuxstb | FLAC definitely isn't the fastest lossless codec - wav/aiff would be first, then shorten, then FLAC. |
| 16:05:39 | GenjuroXL | wav and aiff are usually just pcm |
| 16:05:44 | GenjuroXL | not really lossless compression :) |
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| 16:05:59 | B4gder | they're lossless, not compression ;-) |
| 16:06:04 | linuxstb | GenjuroXL: I just mean you should be asking which are the fastest codecs, not asking for evidence to support a guess... |
| 16:06:12 | simmel | Isn't wavepack faster and better than FLAC? |
| 16:06:16 | GenjuroXL | linuxstb: that's fine too |
| 16:06:27 | GenjuroXL | that's why i asked for a comparison table in the first place :) |
| 16:06:50 | GenjuroXL | simmel: i think they're on par on machines with FPU, no idea about fixed point decoders |
| 16:07:20 | B4gder | I'd like one of those tables too |
| 16:08:24 | GenjuroXL | simmel: wavpack compression ratio is definitely better than flac :) |
| 16:08:26 | linuxstb | GenjuroXL: Also, you should be careful to make it clear you're just talking about Rockbox, not the codecs in general. Not all of Rockbox's codecs have had the same level of optimisation effort applied to them. e.g. on ipods, vorbis used to be faster than mp3, but I think with optimisations, mp3 is now faster than vorbis.... |
| 16:08:44 | GenjuroXL | i remember reading that mpc is the fastest lossy codec in rockbox with speed comparable to flac |
| 16:09:08 | GenjuroXL | and didn't Buschel submit a speedup patch for mpc decoding the other day? |
| 16:09:38 | linuxstb | Yes, he did. |
| 16:09:53 | GenjuroXL | linuxstb: actually, mpc doesn't only win in rockbox :) |
| 16:10:02 | krazykit | simmel, somewhat, but wavpack isn't nearly as widely supported |
| 16:10:02 | GenjuroXL | it's the fastest in FP mode too |
| 16:10:17 | GenjuroXL | but that's not relevant here |
| 16:10:19 | GenjuroXL | :) |
| 16:10:28 | amiconn | wavpack decoding is definitely slower than flac decoding in rockbox |
| 16:11:44 | amiconn | scorche: Didn't you want to make a set of codec test files, or was that Soap? |
| 16:12:10 | linuxstb | GenjuroXL: But I'm sure we would all like someone to arrange such a test. How would you compare two codecs though? Same bitrate, or same "quality"? |
| 16:12:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: That was Soap. |
| 16:12:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: But he wasn't happy with his chosen track, so is still (afaik) searching for something better. |
| 16:12:45 | krazykit | linuxstb, both, ideally |
| 16:13:08 | GenjuroXL | linuxstb: bitrate shouldn't really matter when it comes to decoding speed |
| 16:13:15 | linuxstb | GenjuroXL: It does |
| 16:13:20 | GenjuroXL | bigger files, sure |
| 16:13:28 | GenjuroXL | but isn't that a non-issue? |
| 16:13:32 | B4gder | "shouldn't really" is not good for scientific comparisions... |
| 16:13:55 | linuxstb | GenjuroXL: Try it yourself - check the decoding speed of 128kbps vs 320kbps with any lossy codec. |
| 16:14:06 | GenjuroXL | cbr is old |
| 16:14:08 | GenjuroXL | :) |
| 16:14:19 | GenjuroXL | i'll compare mpc q5 and q10, ok? |
| 16:14:21 | krazykit | you'd want to test files with the accepted transparent cd quality of the various codecs |
| 16:14:22 | linuxstb | Yes, but it's a fairer test of decoding speed. |
| 16:15:51 | linuxstb | GenjuroXL: OK, but then also compare two files at the same quality with different bitrates |
| 16:17:45 | preglow | bitrate has a large impact |
| 16:17:52 | simmel | krazykit No, wavepack is alsmost completley unknown. |
| 16:17:53 | preglow | and matters very much |
| 16:18:42 | GenjuroXL | linuxstb: 328x for q5 and 304x for q7 |
| 16:18:49 | preglow | GenjuroXL: buschel's patch helps very much, but i'm still haven't decided what i think of trading quality off for speed |
| 16:19:07 | GenjuroXL | preglow: wonder if it matters in a portable environment |
| 16:19:13 | preglow | and we need to decide what stance we have on codecs' output being depedent on target cpu |
| 16:19:20 | preglow | GenjuroXL: bitrate? |
| 16:19:20 | GenjuroXL | i don't like the idea of sacrificing quality for speed either |
| 16:19:38 | GenjuroXL | preglow: that speed test was on windows on my pc |
| 16:19:41 | GenjuroXL | bitrates are |
| 16:19:43 | GenjuroXL | *drumroll* |
| 16:19:46 | preglow | GenjuroXL: it does matter, and more than that |
| 16:19:55 | GenjuroXL | 182 kbps for q5 and 241 kbps for q7 |
| 16:20:57 | GenjuroXL | q7: 1,2614107883817427385892116182573 kbps/1x decoding speed |
| 16:21:11 | preglow | 128kbps MP3: 345.93% realtime |
| 16:21:12 | preglow | VBR MP3: 180.73% realtime |
| 16:21:14 | preglow | like that, for example |
| 16:21:27 | preglow | the same will apply for musepack, somewhat |
| 16:21:48 | GenjuroXL | err, actually no.. calc.exe hates me |
| 16:21:55 | preglow | the huffman decoding step is quite intensive |
| 16:22:13 | GenjuroXL | 0.79 for q7 and 0.56 for q5 |
| 16:22:38 | GenjuroXL | </useless numbers> |
| 16:22:52 | GenjuroXL | preglow: btw, have you tried porting sv8 over to rockbox? |
| 16:23:26 | preglow | no |
| 16:23:41 | preglow | little time for rockbox as it is, and i'm going to wait with that job until you're done |
| 16:23:47 | GenjuroXL | :) |
| 16:23:50 | GenjuroXL | fair enough |
| 16:23:53 | GenjuroXL | it's not final yet |
| 16:24:00 | preglow | indeed |
| 16:24:01 | GenjuroXL | r2d is working his ass off, though |
| 16:24:12 | GenjuroXL | sv7->8 converter is nice |
| 16:24:22 | preglow | which is good, but the less i have to do, the better, so i'll wait |
| 16:24:36 | GenjuroXL | once it's done it should be as easy as updating libmpcdec |
| 16:24:50 | preglow | it won't be, but it won't be too much work either |
| 16:25:14 | preglow | stock libmpcdec wouldn't ever run realtime in rockbox |
| 16:25:18 | preglow | s/ever/even/ |
| 16:25:19 | GenjuroXL | heh |
| 16:25:32 | GenjuroXL | needs more asm |
| 16:26:08 | preglow | depends what target, doesn't need too much on arm, but on coldfire it needs asm and iram usage |
| 16:26:20 | GenjuroXL | coldfire is that m68k clone, right? |
| 16:26:24 | preglow | yea |
| 16:26:34 | GenjuroXL | amiga500 on steroids :) |
| 16:26:34 | preglow | i had quite some fun making it work fast enough on that |
| 16:27:06 | GenjuroXL | which players use a coldfire? |
| 16:27:07 | preglow | there's actually still some potential for speedup, but i can't be bothered when it's as fast as it is on coldfiore |
| 16:27:08 | GenjuroXL | ipod=arm? |
| 16:27:12 | preglow | iaudio/iriver |
| 16:27:14 | GenjuroXL | oi |
| 16:27:16 | preglow | ipod=arm |
| 16:27:26 | preglow | sansa too |
| 16:27:28 | preglow | and gigabeat |
| 16:27:55 | GenjuroXL | apple is cheating by using DSPs to decode their stuff :) |
| 16:27:59 | B4gder | no |
| 16:28:01 | preglow | no |
| 16:28:04 | preglow | they use the arm |
| 16:28:09 | GenjuroXL | ipod decodes in software mode? |
| 16:28:14 | GenjuroXL | that's new :) |
| 16:28:14 | preglow | they only use something else for video and audio in videos |
| 16:28:26 | preglow | ordinary audio files are decoded on the arm |
| 16:28:31 | GenjuroXL | interesting |
| 16:28:57 | preglow | anywho |
| 16:29:01 | preglow | musepack being fast isn't weird |
| 16:29:04 | preglow | it's a pretty low complexity codec |
| 16:29:07 | GenjuroXL | yes |
| 16:29:17 | preglow | layer2 with enhancements, more or less |
| 16:29:36 | GenjuroXL | split signal into subbands, quantize subbands |
| 16:29:38 | preglow | given more effort than already put into it, it can be even faster |
| 16:29:42 | GenjuroXL | compress losslessly |
| 16:30:11 | GenjuroXL | well, more speed means more battery life, so it might be worth it |
| 16:30:26 | preglow | sure, but i stop caring once it reaches a certain point |
| 16:30:31 | preglow | which has happened long since for musepack |
| 16:31:00 | preglow | i still have to maintain some kind of motivation for doing what i do, and that vanishes if i have to write half the codec in asm, heh |
| 16:31:22 | GenjuroXL | blame the linux people |
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| 16:31:31 | GenjuroXL | older musepack made heavy use of asm |
| 16:31:40 | GenjuroXL | then people wanted a C version of the lib |
| 16:31:53 | GenjuroXL | because pure C is the best (tm) |
| 16:31:59 | preglow | sure, it is |
| 16:32:01 | preglow | but why remove the asm? |
| 16:32:08 | preglow | you could use it if applicable for target |
| 16:32:17 | GenjuroXL | no idea, ask Lefungus and r2d :) |
| 16:32:46 | preglow | still wouldn't help us much, though, unless you had arm and coldfire asm |
| 16:33:09 | pondlife | Anyone know what sort of hard drive connector is used in the H340? |
| 16:33:21 | markun | preglow: which brings us back to giving more of our changes to the original projects |
| 16:33:28 | GenjuroXL | preglow: we need some oldschool amiga programmers, those people know about m68k asm :) |
| 16:33:49 | preglow | markun: i tried that with musepack, met plenty of indifference |
| 16:33:55 | markun | hm |
| 16:33:56 | preglow | so i keep them local |
| 16:34:10 | preglow | doesn't matter much for me anyway |
| 16:34:18 | markun | true |
| 16:34:30 | GenjuroXL | indifference probably because decoding speed is more than fast enough on PCs |
| 16:34:45 | preglow | sure, i don't harbor i grudge |
| 16:34:56 | preglow | asm is a pain in the ass to maintain too |
| 16:35:03 | preglow | since few people do it |
| 16:35:12 | markun | preglow: it's only interesting for people who want to use the codecs on similar platforms |
| 16:35:13 | preglow | but if the code is factored properly, it's just a case of disabling it |
| 16:35:57 | pondlife | Just wondered if the MK6008GAH is a suitable replacement drive for an H340 - e.g. https://secure.santechusa.com/advert.asp?id=28805 |
| 16:36:28 | markun | preglow: does it have a ZIF connector? |
| 16:36:29 | B4gder | pondlife: petur replaced his hd in h3xx |
| 16:36:34 | markun | eh, for pondlife |
| 16:36:47 | petur | yes but mine was a 8007 |
| 16:36:52 | preglow | speex guy seemed interested in our changes, but we have none yet |
| 16:37:01 | B4gder | hehe |
| 16:37:14 | petur | and the last digit is the revision, so anything above 7 might be a problem |
| 16:37:32 | PaulJam | pondlife: the MK6008GAH has a zif connector that doesn't fit into the h300. you would need to find a MK6006GAH. |
| 16:37:51 | pondlife | Ah, so what's the connector of the ...06GAH called? |
| 16:38:00 | pondlife | A different sort of ZIF..? ;) |
| 16:38:17 | petur | ATA or IDE |
| 16:38:31 | petur | they mention ZIF it is ZIF |
| 16:38:37 | pondlife | Old school notebook ATA then... |
| 16:39:04 | PaulJam | pondlife: but you could make an adapter like described here: http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf |
| 16:39:07 | * | petur finally got through to toshiba's list of disks |
| 16:39:23 | pondlife | ATA 50 pin, right? |
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| 16:40:23 | pondlife | petur: Which drive did you use again? It was a bit pricy for me IIRC... |
| 16:40:38 | petur | 8007 |
| 16:41:24 | petur | I no longer find those online now, seems I got one just in time |
| 16:41:42 | pondlife | So it seems |
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| 16:45:07 | pearldiver | hey XavierGr |
| 16:45:21 | pearldiver | just to let you know, the solution was the low level format |
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| 16:45:58 | XavierGr | so is it fixed now? |
| 16:46:03 | pearldiver | yeah |
| 16:46:14 | XavierGr | nice ot hear that |
| 16:46:16 | pearldiver | as it turns out the fw writes to the 0 sector |
| 16:48:07 | pearldiver | so the whole procedure is: low level format/new partition/gigabeat utility format/copying back up folders with rockbox |
| 16:49:34 | linuxstb | pearldiver: I missed the start of your story - what happened to stop your gigabeat working? |
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| 16:49:53 | pearldiver | linuxstb one of the custom builds erased my partition |
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| 16:50:57 | pearldiver | so i had to reformat but the normal format didn't help at all, i kept getting system errors at boot up |
| 16:51:24 | linuxstb | I didn't think low-level format tools existed any more... |
| 16:51:48 | pearldiver | http://hddguru.com/ |
| 16:51:57 | pearldiver | (thanks to kkurbjun for that) |
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| 16:53:35 | GodEater | query nickserv |
| 16:53:37 | GodEater | oops |
| 16:53:59 | GodEater | beats typing in your password by accident mind you |
| 16:54:19 | linuxstb | I never talk to nickserv in a channel window for that reason... |
| 16:54:53 | pearldiver | linuxstb i took my gigabeat apart while at it and the weird thing it started to sound "louder" when i put it back together |
| 16:54:56 | GenjuroXL | you don't have to talk to him at all |
| 16:54:58 | GodEater | indeed - I've learnt that lesson the hard way |
| 16:55:02 | GenjuroXL | the /chanserv alias works just fine |
| 16:55:13 | ender` | just use /nickserv, it's the safest (assuming your irc client doesn't convert that to /msg nickserv) |
| 16:55:22 | GenjuroXL | oops, yeah, /nickserv |
| 16:55:44 | GodEater | what does it do ? |
| 16:55:48 | GenjuroXL | well |
| 16:56:03 | GenjuroXL | basically the same as /msg nickserv blah |
| 16:56:06 | GenjuroXL | but more secure |
| 16:56:22 | GodEater | so if I leave off the /, I'll still transmit my password to the channel |
| 16:56:26 | GenjuroXL | i.e. to identify just use /nickserv identify <password> |
| 16:56:30 | GodEater | or mistype it in any other way |
| 16:56:38 | GenjuroXL | GodEater: that's why you're using the server tab for those things |
| 16:56:38 | GodEater | say with a leading space |
| 16:56:56 | GenjuroXL | never enter any sensitive data in channel tabs |
| 16:56:58 | GenjuroXL | :) |
| 16:57:07 | * | GodEater shrugs. I prefer a direct communication with nickserv |
| 16:57:25 | GodEater | the trouble with the webirc client is it changes tab without warning |
| 16:57:33 | GenjuroXL | oh god, webirc |
| 16:57:49 | GenjuroXL | ircing from work, are we? :) |
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| 16:57:59 | GodEater | check my mask :) |
| 16:58:05 | GenjuroXL | yup... |
| 16:58:29 | GodEater | once I've got the home internet working again I'll be back to Xchat via a tunnel ssh connection |
| 16:58:31 | GodEater | but till then :) |
| 16:59:46 | GenjuroXL | tried chatzilla? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:04 | GodEater | yes. <shudder> |
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| 17:04:07 | amiconn | /nickserv can even be shortened to /ns |
| 17:04:26 | * | GodEater writes this down |
| 17:06:16 | amiconn | GodEater: The web client allows to identify from the aqdvanced login tab. No need to use those /ns messages at all |
| 17:07:53 | GodEater | I thought that password field was for a secured irc server |
| 17:08:03 | GodEater | rather than a nickserv password |
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| 17:14:45 | * | petur reads mails and also votes against US based devcon next year |
| 17:15:21 | * | GodEater points to http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/5/19/231125/871 |
| 17:15:29 | GodEater | (regarding travel to the US) |
| 17:15:37 | GodEater | made me laugh anyway |
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| 17:17:27 | * | petur remembers arriving in a big US airport and failing to find anybody speaking english to ask directions. no habla espaniol |
| 17:17:43 | GodEater | petur: which airport was that ? :) |
| 17:18:06 | bluebrother | us −− isn't that the country that treats europeans like gangsters? |
| 17:18:09 | petur | Seattle |
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| 17:18:30 | GodEater | I'll take a phrasebook if ever I go to Seattle then |
| 17:18:34 | petur | It'd require I get a new passport |
| 17:18:39 | GenjuroXL | bluebrother: everyone, not only europeans |
| 17:18:48 | krazykit | bluebrother, silly youropeens. we americans are xenophobes |
| 17:18:56 | * | GodEater has already been fingerprinted and photographed by US immigration :( |
| 17:19:09 | GenjuroXL | i had to do some weird stuff back in 96 |
| 17:19:09 | bluebrother | petur: too bad the meeting video is quite hard to understand because of the sound quality |
| 17:19:12 | GenjuroXL | fill out questionnaires |
| 17:19:15 | krazykit | though i got away with being canadian in germany. saved a lot of grief |
| 17:19:23 | GenjuroXL | "are you planning to commit a crime while in the USA?" |
| 17:19:23 | GenjuroXL | etc |
| 17:19:31 | GenjuroXL | whoo, UPS just kicked in |
| 17:19:33 | * | bluebrother needs to get a new passport before these stupid germans start with that digital fingerprint thing |
| 17:19:35 | GenjuroXL | fucking thunderstorm |
| 17:20:06 | bluebrother | "are you planning to commit a crime" −− how stupid is that question? |
| 17:20:09 | netmasta10bt | anyone speculate on the feasability of a active noise canceling plugin for those targets with mics? |
| 17:20:11 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:20:24 | GenjuroXL | bluebrother: my thoughts exactly :) |
| 17:20:30 | petur | bluebrother: I know, but the intention was not to record it for archiving purpose. I just had this Idea to let my camera record and then saw it had flat batteries anyway |
| 17:20:31 | GenjuroXL | i was >< this close to writing "YES!!111" |
| 17:20:39 | petur | and it only does 8kHz mono sound |
| 17:20:50 | krazykit | GenjuroXL, and you'd never be seen again |
| 17:21:01 | bluebrother | GenjuroXL: then they would have send you back for sure. |
| 17:21:06 | petur | GenjuroXL: don't, because they'll take your word for it and lock you up |
| 17:21:07 | GenjuroXL | krazykit: we europeans don't hate you |
| 17:21:10 | GenjuroXL | just your government |
| 17:21:11 | bluebrother | petur: it's nice to have the video around anyway |
| 17:21:13 | GenjuroXL | and your war on terror |
| 17:21:15 | GenjuroXL | and your war on drugs |
| 17:21:33 | krazykit | GenjuroXL, yeah. once we stated that we hated bush too, there was much rejoicing |
| 17:21:45 | krazykit | one guy said he liked bush, though. |
| 17:21:51 | GenjuroXL | wonder who will be the next tard after bush |
| 17:21:57 | krazykit | he was also the one that said to waiters, "ich bin gut" |
| 17:22:10 | * | bluebrother isn't keen on going to the US under any circumstance |
| 17:22:11 | pearldiver | stay on topic please |
| 17:22:33 | petur | devcon2008 is a topic :p |
| 17:22:34 | bluebrother | people and country might be nice, but ... |
| 17:22:41 | GenjuroXL | ok, so you voted for bush, pearldiver :) |
| 17:22:51 | petur | oh-oh |
| 17:22:55 | krazykit | regardless, getting into the us is a pain |
| 17:23:02 | krazykit | even as a citizen :-/ |
| 17:23:18 | GenjuroXL | it was bad enough in 96, can't imagine how bad it must be now |
| 17:23:19 | GenjuroXL | bbl |
| 17:23:41 | pearldiver | politics is a boring topic, that's all |
| 17:24:04 | bluebrother | shouldn't we first check where the interested people live? |
| 17:24:26 | pearldiver | no matter how long you talk about it, nothing changes |
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| 17:26:08 | GodEater | bluebrother: it looked to me like a roughly 50/50 split between western europe and the US, with a smattering of other people from Australia. |
| 17:26:28 | GodEater | I must take a closer look as Rasher's map :) |
| 17:26:32 | | Part juxtap |
| 17:27:22 | GodEater | hahaha - I like his google maps "Updated! will no longer crash your computer!" |
| 17:28:04 | GodEater | wow - we have a dev living on a boat in the middle of the Indian Ocean |
| 17:28:19 | markun | :) |
| 17:28:44 | markun | I wonder why rashed added that guy |
| 17:29:16 | GodEater | well you add yourself don't you ? And he's got a disclaimer that says some people might add themselves as devs when they're not. |
| 17:29:47 | petur | imho, he should go over that dev list and clean out all non-devs, way too many blue icons |
| 17:31:04 | GodEater | hmm - that's odd - I'm apparently a dev on that list, and I'm fairly certain I didn't add myself as one :( |
| 17:31:28 | desowin | can anyone look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5495?getfile=13898 ? I'm testing this patch since it's available, and I can't find any side-effect, would be nice to have it in svn |
| 17:31:36 | linuxstb | petur: Maybe he doesn't know all the devs - I'm pretty sure I don't... |
| 17:31:57 | petur | I'd at least restrict to the CREDITS list |
| 17:32:09 | petur | oh wait, maybe that list is so big |
| 17:32:37 | linuxstb | And is "contributors" rather than strictly just developers./ |
| 17:32:45 | linuxstb | (afaik) |
| 17:32:46 | Gursikh | i/j ##mediation |
| 17:33:19 | petur | but I agree we could use a list of devs (with commit access) |
| 17:33:41 | GodEater | oh, I think I'm in the contributors list |
| 17:33:50 | GodEater | or CREDITS file or whatever |
| 17:35:10 | amiconn | petur: 8kHz audio seems to be common for video on digitall still image cameras |
| 17:35:33 | * | amiconn 's camera does the same |
| 17:35:45 | petur | if the remote works :p |
| 17:36:08 | amiconn | It does, if you know that you need to enable the option :P |
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| 17:49:23 | austriancoder | linuxstb: ping |
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| 17:56:13 | a1titude | Hi, when is the 80gb out of testing, I would like to try it but I'm a little confused on what to patch with the ipod55g-4.diff file, and how to do it. |
| 17:56:58 | markun | amiconn: do you have a build for a1titude to try? |
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| 18:00:06 | Arathis | anyone tried midi playback on an h10? |
| 18:00:28 | linuxstb | austriancoder: hello |
| 18:02:57 | Arathis | midi is much too fast on my h10 and I get a mass of "Buffer miss!" errors |
| 18:02:58 | bluebrother | austriancoder: ipod mini is red. |
| 18:03:21 | austriancoder | linuxstb: I dont want to get rid of the mas35xx files.. becuase I will fill them in following commits with some parts of the audiohw_api... e.g. audiohw_set_bass |
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| 18:05:59 | linuxstb | austriancoder: I was only talking about the mas35xx.h file. But my main question was about #including audiohw.h in the codec-specific .h files. Could you do it the other way around (i.e. include the codec .h file from audiohw.h) ? That way, the higher-level parts of the code would only ever need to include audiohw.h. |
| 18:06:28 | austriancoder | linuxstb: after i have fixed the reds :) |
| 18:06:41 | linuxstb | You've committed already? |
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| 18:10:45 | bluebrother | hmm, do we have a specific policy about (c) adding to files? |
| 18:11:18 | markun | bluebrother: we had some talk about it a while ago. What do you want to know? |
| 18:11:37 | bluebrother | I was just wondering looking at the diff of sound.c |
| 18:11:44 | Arathis | barrywardell: ever tried midi playback on your h10? |
| 18:12:00 | barrywardell | no, I haven't |
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| 18:13:04 | bluebrother | austriancoder: btw, why don't you just return foo(); in those sound_set_fn cases? |
| 18:13:56 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I've never seen a written policy, but generally the initial author of the file stays the sole copyright holder. SVN logs tell the rest of the story. |
| 18:14:13 | austriancoder | bluebrother: dont know... |
| 18:14:31 | Cassandra | amicon: Does the 5.5G patch still need testing on other 5G models? |
| 18:15:18 | bluebrother | hmm, maybe we should have a written policy or guidelines for that. |
| 18:15:55 | Cassandra | bluebrother, I suspect in practice copyright is assigned to the project. |
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| 18:16:26 | linuxstb | Cassandra: AFAIK, it can't - there isn't any legal entity called Rockbox. |
| 18:16:43 | Cassandra | Well, yes. |
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| 18:16:58 | Cassandra | Daniel is currently looking into fixing that. |
| 18:18:26 | linuxstb | Although that wouldn't really deal with the copyright issues - we can't force every contributor to sign over copyright in their code, just to license it under the GPL. |
| 18:18:49 | major_works | MikeS: Are you about? |
| 18:18:55 | Cassandra | We couldn't even track down every contributor, I suspect. |
| 18:19:13 | Cassandra | At least one is dead, of course. |
| 18:19:30 | a1titude | yeiks that sounds bad |
| 18:19:30 | linuxstb | Yes. historical code would be impossible. It would be same problem as if we ever wanted to change licenses. |
| 18:20:21 | major_works | Would anyone know if the e200 changes that were just committed obviate the need for FS #6908? |
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| 18:21:36 | markun | linuxstb: what about copyright rules of different countries. I believe that in germany you cannot sell or give away your 'urheberrecht' |
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| 18:22:34 | Cassandra | I'm pretty sure the Linux kernel managed to get around all of these issues. |
| 18:22:38 | Cassandra | But I forget how. |
| 18:22:55 | markun | Cassandra: something to put on your todo list then :) |
| 18:22:59 | a1titude | ahh, iTunes won't load, just gets a error report everytime I try 2 start it! haha, the sooner I go to rockbox the better! lol |
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| 18:23:29 | markun | a1titude: you are aware that rockbox "sounds like a bag of shit", right? |
| 18:23:48 | a1titude | huh? |
| 18:23:57 | desowin | Golden Quotes are best |
| 18:24:00 | bluebrother | in germany there is a company which owns (at least some) rights on "rockbox" |
| 18:24:02 | markun | it's true, let me look up a link |
| 18:24:18 | * | Cassandra still wants a "bag of shit" plush toy with the Rockbox logo on it, like we discussed at Devcon. |
| 18:24:30 | Cassandra | (That didn't make it into the official minutes for some reason.) |
| 18:24:36 | desowin | http://www.misticriver.net/archive/index.php/t-28715.html |
| 18:24:41 | * | bluebrother likes that idea :) |
| 18:25:08 | markun | :) |
| 18:25:34 | linuxstb | markun: I wasn't aware of that - so another argument against assigning copyright to "Rockbox"... |
| 18:25:36 | markun | Cassandra: we will have to send one to this guy |
| 18:27:38 | markun | linuxstb: well, I wouldn't mind it really |
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| 18:28:23 | a1titude | ok... |
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| 18:28:35 | * | austriancoder has fixed everything -> no red builds :) |
| 18:28:44 | Cassandra | AFAIK, no-one has actually re-assigned any copyrights. |
| 18:29:02 | linuxstb | markun: I'm not 100% sure what assigning copyright to someone else implies, but would expect that I would no longer be free to use that code myself (apart from under the license the other party chooses). |
| 18:29:05 | a1titude | I have to restart my computer in attempt to get itunes back. lol bye |
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| 18:29:14 | Cassandra | Certainly under UK law the copyright statement at the top of the file isn't legally binding. |
| 18:29:28 | amiconn | austriancoder: But red deltas, especially on archos :( |
| 18:29:31 | Cassandra | What would anyone want to do that? |
| 18:30:22 | austriancoder | amiconn: I hope to get green deltas with following commits |
| 18:32:08 | pixelma | btw... was it tested on any Archos? |
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| 18:32:56 | markun | I didn't expect the binary size to be any bigger |
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| 18:36:04 | major_works | jhMikeS: Did the e200 changes you made earlier eliminate the need for FS #6908? |
| 18:38:30 | jhMikeS | major_works: umm...lemme check :) |
| 18:38:37 | a1titude | with the 80gb ipod do I use the normal ipodpatcher.exe or do I need a modified one? |
| 18:39:11 | jhMikeS | major_works: yes, it really should |
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| 18:39:36 | n1s | a1titude: you need a modified bootloader but can use regular patcher afaik |
| 18:40:14 | major_works | jhMikeS: OK, bear with me as I'm not too code-savvy... |
| 18:40:17 | * | n1s curse the combination of 64 bit linux and realplayer video |
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| 18:40:36 | major_works | So I should be able to compile a new build with updated SVN and omit that patch? |
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| 18:41:03 | jhMikeS | major_works: clean build, no patch needed |
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| 18:41:25 | major_works | jhMikeS: Cool... I'll give it a try and let you know. OK? |
| 18:41:38 | Jeton | jhMikeS: looks like Toni found the reason for the static? |
| 18:41:58 | jhMikeS | major_works: unless all the e200 have entirely different hw it should :) |
| 18:42:12 | major_works | I hear you. Thanks! |
| 18:42:13 | jhMikeS | Jeton: that's what I was talking about the other day |
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| 18:42:41 | Jeton | so what's muting linein1? |
| 18:43:01 | Jeton | i'm not familiar with patching and compiling :( |
| 18:43:12 | jhMikeS | Jeton: the mute was taken off linein1 to facilitate fm radio experimentation :\ |
| 18:43:48 | jhMikeS | imho, it should be part of the fm radio patch but oh well |
| 18:44:29 | Jeton | so the static will be gone now, with newest build? or until the radio patch is added it will still be there ? |
| 18:47:10 | amiconn | Cassandra: I would like to see the patch tested some more. Especially I would like to see a speed comparison patched vs. unpatched on a non-80GB video |
| 18:47:49 | amiconn | I am about to extend test_disk for this, to not only measure large-block read/write speed (which will be almost unaffected), but also file create/open/delete performance |
| 18:48:07 | Cassandra | OK. Let me know when you're done then. |
| 18:48:11 | * | amiconn recommends Cassandra using tab completion on nicknames |
| 18:48:26 | amiconn | I didn't spot your question because you missed an 'n' |
| 18:48:54 | jhMikeS | Jeton: I haven't touched that as I didn't add it but ... hmmm |
| 18:49:30 | Cassandra | Yeah. I forget sometimes. |
| 18:49:39 | * | jhMikeS should comment it out so zivan56 can just have the patch change it |
| 18:49:40 | Cassandra | What does your nickname come from anyway? |
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| 18:50:58 | amiconn | It's a combination of syllables referring both to the Amiga and Star Trek |
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| 18:51:10 | Cassandra | OK. |
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| 18:52:29 | * | jhMikeS sees files lacking keywords after 'svn up' |
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| 18:54:40 | Cassandra | Wow! BitchX quit lines just get more and more obnoxious, don't they? |
| 18:55:24 | a1titude | what has the iPod 80GB patch been tested on already? |
| 18:55:45 | preglow | i thought people had enough sense to stop using bx by now |
| 18:56:13 | Cassandra | preglow, never underestimate people's abililty to lack good sense. |
| 18:56:54 | * | preglow huggles irssi |
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| 18:58:45 | * | markun too |
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| 19:00:04 | bluebrother | speaking of irssi: can someone point me to the docs how I get irssi to kill my ghost on reconnects? |
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| 19:00:47 | major_works | jhMikeS: OK... so does this newest change break the radio patch? |
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| 19:03:54 | jhMikeS | major_works: the one I just did will but you can just take the #if 0/#endif out |
| 19:04:52 | major_works | jhMikeS: OK, that's what I'll do. Hopefully, Zivan56 will note the change and do the Line1 muting on his end. |
| 19:05:21 | major_works | Or I may omit the radio temporarily. I get a weird heterodyne all the time anyway. |
| 19:05:23 | jhMikeS | I don't doubt it'll be updated...not much to do really :) |
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| 19:06:11 | major_works | And I can't get his presets to save for some reason. Probably operator error on my end. |
| 19:08:03 | jhMikeS | I can't see why it should matter but I haven't looked at that in detail so I don't know |
| 19:08:43 | major_works | No problem... thanks for all your help, Mike. Keep up the great work! |
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| 19:11:06 | daniel2024 | jhMikeS is Mike Sevakis? |
| 19:12:02 | markun | yes |
| 19:12:55 | daniel2024 | Mike −− thanks for all the work you've done with the e200 −− it's coming along nicely, and I'm loving my sansa player |
| 19:14:06 | jhMikeS | thank Toni1 too, his emulator is a huge help with this stuff |
| 19:15:36 | daniel2024 | thank you Toni1 (and everyone else) |
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| 19:25:49 | major_works | austriancoder: For me, your FS #7138 is causing compiler errors in sound.h |
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| 19:39:04 | BRi7Xtra | hello,, I have this rockbox installed here on a gigabeat f.. I was in class and had a few minutes to kill and I changed the theme. now my screen is completely blacked out. any suggestions? |
| 19:39:27 | toffe82 | bad theme |
| 19:39:48 | toffe82 | perhaps |
| 19:39:54 | BRi7Xtra | could you help me "de-suck" it? |
| 19:40:24 | BRi7Xtra | i posted on the forum, one sec... i'll pull up the post |
| 19:40:31 | toffe82 | you can reset the setting when you press A when booting if I remember, markun can confirm |
| 19:40:43 | BRi7Xtra | so pressing a? |
| 19:40:45 | BRi7Xtra | hold on |
| 19:41:14 | BRi7Xtra | thank you so much, you've saved the day |
| 19:41:37 | BRi7Xtra | i shall remember that from now on, i just have to remember what theme screwed me up |
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| 19:52:48 | BRi7Xtra | another question for the gigabeat f though, the date doesn't display properly in the theme i use (rockamp)... it says... |
| 19:53:03 | BRi7Xtra | "May dc, 1:MPc" |
| 19:53:22 | Nico_P | BRi7Xtra: that's because the format for the RTC tags has changed |
| 19:53:46 | BRi7Xtra | I have to go now, my class is changing, I'll be back when I get home... until then... |
| 19:53:47 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Real_Time_Clock |
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| 20:04:01 | a1titude | what capasity is the 80gb ipod battery for the setting in rockbox? |
| 20:04:29 | scorche | dont worry about that setting |
| 20:04:42 | a1titude | ok thanks |
| 20:05:30 | case_ | hi there |
| 20:06:07 | case_ | i know it's slightly off topic, but has anyone used rythmbox with a Sansa e260 ? |
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| 20:16:20 | ]RowaN[ | what filename should i give the mi4 file i copy to my sansa when in recovery mode? |
| 20:17:16 | ]RowaN[ | it doesnt say on www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting |
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| 20:20:00 | a1titude | rockbox on the 80 works amazing... just I can't seem to change the wps! haha :p My fault probably... lol |
| 20:20:09 | perldiver | so 80gb ipods are good to go as of now? |
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| 20:21:01 | ]RowaN[ | ah, update.mi4, at least for the 1.03.01H beta firmware i had on there |
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| 20:24:41 | ]RowaN[ | someone who can edit the wiki should add that information =] |
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| 20:31:46 | case_ | anyone know if any of the softwares available for linux to manage ipod or other portable players work for the Sansa e260 ? |
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| 20:33:01 | mots | hi, i just found my h340's accu-cable again and started charging it |
| 20:33:12 | mots | but the display doesn't seem to work |
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| 20:33:56 | mots | i can turn the device on, and hear the hdd spinning (i can even mount it as external hdd), but i don't seem to get any other life signs |
| 20:33:59 | mots | any ideas? |
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| 20:35:12 | thegeek | charge it some more? |
| 20:35:47 | mots | so it may be an accu-problem? |
| 20:36:11 | thegeek | accu? |
| 20:36:19 | mots | (the accu never was that empty before and i don't want to lose that quite expensive device) |
| 20:36:21 | mots | well |
| 20:36:26 | mots | no idea how to call it |
| 20:36:33 | thegeek | battery? |
| 20:36:35 | mots | well |
| 20:37:03 | a1titude | so, well now to get my libary into a nice, friendly vorbis format! :p Rockbox rocks! lol |
| 20:37:05 | mots | are rechargable batterys still called battery in english? |
| 20:37:36 | thegeek | yes |
| 20:37:42 | thegeek | a battery is a battery |
| 20:37:59 | linuxstb | perldiver: 80GB ipod support only exists as a patch at the moment - it isn't in SVN yet. |
| 20:38:00 | thegeek | ;) |
| 20:38:07 | thegeek | hehe |
| 20:38:12 | thegeek | I want to test it on my 80gb |
| 20:38:17 | mots | well, in my native languuage, the term battery is incorrect for rechargable mobile power sources |
| 20:38:18 | thegeek | but I neeeed to study for my exam tomorrow |
| 20:38:23 | thegeek | mots: I see;P |
| 20:38:33 | thegeek | but yeah |
| 20:38:40 | thegeek | If you just started charging it |
| 20:38:43 | thegeek | and it was completely dead |
| 20:38:50 | thegeek | I would let it charge for some time |
| 20:40:30 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is it worth me testing your 80GB patch now, or should I wait for the updated test_disk? |
| 20:40:35 | mots | well, g2g |
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| 20:42:07 | DerPapst | linuxstb: should i test a VBR mp3 too regarding the MPA patches? |
| 20:43:16 | linuxstb | DerPapst: It would be interesting, but your test has already answered the question - that we need to keep that code in IRAM on the PP5002, but we can remove it from the PP502x. |
| 20:43:34 | linuxstb | So only if you're bored... |
| 20:44:03 | DerPapst | well.. not too much ;) |
| 20:44:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: I am working on test_disk right now |
| 20:45:10 | linuxstb | BTW, I'm working on ipodpatcher at the moment - any requests? I'm removing the check for the MBR magic, replacing it by a check that the first partition is type 0 (empty) and the second is type 0xb (or HFS for a macpod). |
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| 20:45:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: Perfect - I'll carry on with ipodpatcher and the bootloaders, so they're ready to release when your patch is. |
| 20:45:46 | DerPapst | linuxstb: any idea how to get mpegplayer to compile again if that code runs in iram too? |
| 20:45:52 | a1titude | Why does rockbox use the emergency disk mode? |
| 20:45:59 | amiconn | Some random but maybe interesting values from a test_disk run on archos recorder: Create: 12 files/s, Open: 16 files/s, Dirscan: 1026 files/s, Delete: 67 files/s |
| 20:46:03 | DerPapst | no usb driver? |
| 20:46:06 | a1titude | *(on the ipod) |
| 20:46:13 | linuxstb | DerPapst: On which target? |
| 20:46:23 | a1titude | the ipod |
| 20:46:25 | DerPapst | 3G iPod |
| 20:46:31 | amiconn | You see, the fat driver is indeed not really fast when it comes to actual file operations |
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| 20:46:58 | amiconn | Btw, the speed test part of test_disk is much inspired by the AMiga program "DiskSpeed" |
| 20:47:34 | DerPapst | a1titude: rockbox has no usb driver for the iPod. so if you want to sync your ipod you either have to use diskmode or the OF |
| 20:47:50 | linuxstb | DerPapst: We just need to disable those IRAM optimisations for mpegplayer - the build system now compiles libmad separately for the main codec and mpegplayer, so that's straightforward. |
| 20:48:14 | a1titude | DerPapst: ahh, thanks |
| 20:49:22 | DerPapst | linuxstb: so moving mpegplayer out of iram means that it runs even slower than it does already now on 3Gs? |
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| 20:53:34 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Yes... But mpegplayer isn't really suited for greyscale LCDs - it should eventually get replaced by a port of the greyscale video player in Rockbox. |
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| 20:54:57 | DerPapst | linuxstb: ok |
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| 20:57:21 | patrick__ | hello |
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| 20:58:51 | patrick__ | I installed rockbox on my 30GB iPod Photo about an hour ago, and so far it seems to work rather nice....I only have one question that I hope can be sorted out here |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:39 | patrick__ | my question pertains to the themes available for download. I have tried several themes, but I will just use Ajant Blue as an example. After installing the theme, disconnecting the iPod and then choosing the theme in rockbox....it doesnt come out looking anything like the screenshot |
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| 21:01:14 | linuxstb | patrick__: The theme is probably out of date - the theme parser became more strict recently, and not all themes are compliant. |
| 21:01:14 | patrick__ | after fiddling around, I believe it has something to do with the wps folder, but I can't seem to dig up any explanation for it |
| 21:01:26 | patrick__ | ah |
| 21:01:31 | patrick__ | that would make sense |
| 21:01:58 | linuxstb | Someone else mentioned a problem with Ajant Blue last week. |
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| 21:02:51 | * | linuxstb finds a silly bug in the ipod bootloader |
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| 21:03:03 | amiconn | patrick__: Another possible problem is that you might not have installed the font pack |
| 21:03:06 | patrick__ | so there's probably not much that can be done aside from waiting for the themes author to update it |
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| 21:04:12 | patrick__ | amiconn: I installed the fonts from the zip I downloaded from rockboxes website |
| 21:04:39 | amiconn | Ok |
| 21:04:52 | amiconn | Just wanted to make sure... it's a common mistake |
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| 21:05:03 | patrick__ | though it seems several themes come with empty font folders |
| 21:05:24 | patrick__ | np, all solutions are welcome ^^ |
| 21:05:34 | pixelma | the Ajant theme has quite a lot of code errors - I tried to help the guy last weak and found at least 2 of them but it still didn't work for him, so he dropped it |
| 21:05:41 | pixelma | *week |
| 21:06:19 | patrick__ | are there any graphical themes you know of that I might attempt to get working on the latest build of rockbox? |
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| 21:07:43 | godzirra | Anyone else use cover art aggregator and have problems with it just randomly stop working? |
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| 21:08:12 | godzirra | as in, its retrieving a cover, and it just sits there with its wheels spinning? |
| 21:08:43 | chrisjs169 | Bagder - I think my build server's working now |
| 21:09:34 | chrisjs169 | Builds are compiling now |
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| 21:18:42 | patrick__ | aha, found a nice theme that works (JBlackGlass) |
| 21:19:22 | patrick__ | now I can have slick looks with all my .ogg files ^^ |
| 21:19:44 | patrick__ | I'm really glad I decided to give rockbox a go |
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| 21:22:33 | perldiver | i already asked but im going to ask again, does anyone know what happened to the BlackGlass theme for the gigabeat? |
| 21:23:15 | DerPapst | maybe it got deleted due to copyright violation |
| 21:23:32 | DerPapst | did it show the windoes logo or any other logos? |
| 21:23:35 | lini | hey guys |
| 21:23:39 | DerPapst | *windows |
| 21:23:51 | lini | it says that i have to talk to the staff in #rockbox |
| 21:23:58 | lini | about write wiki rights |
| 21:24:14 | perldiver | DerPapst well all other BlackGlasse's stayed |
| 21:24:24 | linuxstb | perldiver: Check the history of the page - if it was removed by Cassandra within the last few days, then it was most likely a copyright issue. |
| 21:24:42 | perldiver | linuxstb again, all other BlackGlasses ports stayed |
| 21:25:10 | linuxstb | perldiver: Was it removed by Cassandra in the last few days? |
| 21:25:35 | perldiver | linuxstb the thing is, it never was on the wiki page, only rockbox-themes one |
| 21:25:57 | linuxstb | Ah, so you're asking why it was removed from rockbox-themes.org? |
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| 21:26:35 | perldiver | it sort of dissappeared and yes, i wonder why |
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| 21:28:11 | linuxstb | perldiver: BlackGlass is still on rockbox-themes.org... |
| 21:28:33 | perldiver | ?! |
| 21:28:38 | perldiver | *goes to check again* |
| 21:29:11 | perldiver | oh! |
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| 21:29:21 | perldiver | i swear it wasnt there yesterday |
| 21:29:35 | linuxstb | Maybe the site was being reorganised or something... |
| 21:30:54 | * | DerPapst thinks there some pretty ugly wps'es availabe... |
| 21:31:00 | perldiver | hehe |
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| 21:33:14 | * | n1s discovers ctrl-shift-T in firefox... :-) |
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| 21:34:13 | DerPapst | iGoogle? ftw? |
| 21:34:51 | DerPapst | why does everyone put an "i" inform of their app/product? |
| 21:35:23 | DerPapst | hey i think we should rename RockBox to "iRockBox" ... duh |
| 21:35:27 | n1s | because it's cool!11!!!11! |
| 21:35:37 | n1s | iBOX of course... |
| 21:35:45 | DerPapst | heh |
| 21:36:09 | markun | DerPapst: what's iGoogle? |
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| 21:37:16 | markun | never mind, I found it |
| 21:37:56 | perldiver | i jClix is still the most original WPS |
| 21:37:59 | perldiver | think* |
| 21:38:28 | perldiver | i tried it on gigabeat with the rotation patch |
| 21:38:43 | perldiver | its quite impressive |
| 21:39:08 | DerPapst | rotation patch? |
| 21:39:33 | perldiver | phkTAPE WPS is fun too |
| 21:39:53 | perldiver | DerPapst yes, there's a rotation patch for gigabeat that lets you use it in the landscape mode |
| 21:41:04 | DerPapst | ah.. that kind of rotation :) |
| 21:41:25 | perldiver | markun you should try the resume patch |
| 21:41:50 | markun | is it a patch to the flash? |
| 21:41:53 | perldiver | the player boots in 1,5 seconds with it |
| 21:42:11 | markun | that's really good! |
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| 21:42:48 | perldiver | i dont think its flash |
| 21:42:58 | perldiver | some sort of "boot ram" rather |
| 21:43:10 | markun | it's flash |
| 21:43:25 | perldiver | ah ok |
| 21:43:26 | markun | hm, maybe I should first check it out :) |
| 21:43:32 | markun | before I make a fool of myself :) |
| 21:43:36 | perldiver | hehe |
| 21:43:40 | pixelma | DerPapst: are you from eastern germany? |
| 21:43:47 | perldiver | i think the author describes it on FS |
| 21:44:06 | perldiver | markun also now you dont have to press power to restart |
| 21:44:17 | perldiver | you can restart from debug |
| 21:44:26 | markun | good |
| 21:44:32 | perldiver | and it remember the last orientation used if you use the rotation patch for example |
| 21:44:35 | perldiver | quite handy |
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| 21:45:07 | perldiver | and of course you can switch orientations without actually turning the player off |
| 21:45:14 | perldiver | so all in all its great |
| 21:45:26 | DerPapst | pixelma: berlin ;) |
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| 21:46:56 | pixelma | DerPapst: maybe have a look at the Mixtape theme for IpodVideo then (on rockbox-themes.org) if that tells you something ;) |
| 21:47:14 | patrick__ | could someone point me in the right direction to get album art showing on rockbox? (the theme I'm using supports it) |
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| 21:48:06 | n1s | patrick__: you need an unofficial patched build, look in the unsupported build ssection of the forum |
| 21:48:45 | markun | perldiver: you were right, you don't need to change the flash bootloader |
| 21:49:20 | pixelma | patrick__: you should have a look at the AlbumArt wiki page too |
| 21:49:23 | patrick__ | n1s: I'm using the prebuilt rockbox-jbuild, is that it or is it something specific to album art I should look for? |
| 21:49:54 | godzirra | So I need to figure out what cool new stuff rockbox has added over the past 6-9 months. I've not had a chance to use it since then. |
| 21:50:16 | DerPapst | pixelma: do you mean the manufacturer of the tape? |
| 21:50:17 | Bagder | quite a few things have happened during that period |
| 21:50:25 | perldiver | markun good :P |
| 21:50:37 | godzirra | Bagder: like what? |
| 21:50:49 | markun | perldiver: maybe I can start to commit small parts of that patch |
| 21:50:50 | Bagder | see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 21:50:54 | n1s | patrick__: well, if it has the album art patch applied it should work, but as pixelma said look at that wiki page, and search the forums, we cannot support these builds |
| 21:51:04 | godzirra | Bagder: thanks |
| 21:51:21 | XavierGr | jessh just updating the ondio build on the player itself takes ages to be copied |
| 21:51:29 | patrick__ | alright thanks, glancing over the album art wiki now |
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| 21:52:01 | XavierGr | more than 5 minutes already |
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| 21:52:06 | pixelma | DerPapst: sure |
| 21:52:08 | godzirra | FYI, the newest installer of the bootloader, is freaking awesome. |
| 21:52:19 | godzirra | I ran it on windows, and its sooo much less painful than it used to be. |
| 21:52:55 | n1s | godzirra: linuxstb finally caved in after too many whining users ;-) |
| 21:53:11 | Bagder | he sure is weak that guy |
| 21:53:13 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 21:54:22 | godzirra | lol |
| 21:54:26 | godzirra | Its amazingly nie and simple. |
| 21:54:29 | godzirra | *nice |
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| 21:54:53 | DerPapst | pixelma: ehh. then i guess i'm a but to young ;) (still born in the glory DDR but while listening to Traumzauberbaum & Co never checkt who produced the tabes) |
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| 21:54:57 | DerPapst | *tapes |
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| 21:55:13 | DerPapst | *checked |
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| 21:56:29 | * | Bagder makes the buildmaster cleanup on the build server after build + transfer |
| 21:56:43 | Bagder | should reduce the amount of necessary disk space |
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| 21:58:34 | markun | Bagder: thanks :) |
| 21:59:07 | Bagder | and for the curious minds, I'll also commit the buildmaster.pl script |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:06 | Bagder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildmaster.pl?view=markup |
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| 22:02:33 | XavierGr | amiconn: do you remember the combo to start my ondio from disk and not from flash? |
| 22:02:50 | amiconn | Left while power on |
| 22:03:13 | amiconn | But why not just rolo the new build? Did you mess up the flashed version? |
| 22:04:05 | XavierGr | I just upgraded to a new build, but I get that plugins are incompatible, so I assume that the player boots from flash and can't find the compatible plugins which were replaced by the new ones |
| 22:04:22 | amiconn | Sure |
| 22:04:37 | amiconn | A simple rolo should fix that, followed by flashing the new .ucl afterwards |
| 22:04:53 | XavierGr | ah yes |
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| 22:05:17 | amiconn | Rockbox on archos always boots from flash by default if it's flashed, that's the whole point: faster boot |
| 22:05:29 | XavierGr | yes that's what I thought |
| 22:05:35 | XavierGr | I just forgot about the rolo function |
| 22:05:57 | towlieban | if i use the database feature to load my itunes database, is it possible to play music that is drm crippled ? |
| 22:06:16 | Bagder | towlieban: no |
| 22:06:28 | Bagder | not with rockbox at least |
| 22:06:37 | Bagder | you can still boot up in apple os and play those |
| 22:06:45 | towlieban | oh that sucks... |
| 22:07:00 | Bagder | yes, tell that to Apple |
| 22:07:19 | towlieban | well if its true they might start selling drm free music soon |
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| 22:10:58 | badsheepy | you could always buy music elsewhere :) |
| 22:12:14 | * | petur only buys on CD |
| 22:12:31 | towlieban | yep completely 100% drm free |
| 22:12:38 | towlieban | can be added to any mp3 player |
| 22:12:53 | petur | and keep the CD as backup ;) |
| 22:13:15 | towlieban | yea |
| 22:13:16 | amiconn | petur: What about "copy protected" CDs? |
| 22:13:22 | * | amiconn avoids them by all means |
| 22:13:26 | towlieban | theres few of those |
| 22:13:42 | robin0800 | and rip them in whatever format you want |
| 22:13:45 | DerPapst | they can be ripped too. |
| 22:13:52 | DerPapst | lot of them. |
| 22:13:57 | petur | I copy protected CD's with CloneCD to a CDRW which then rips fine ;) |
| 22:14:01 | towlieban | do those copy protected cds work on a mac as far as the copy protection goes |
| 22:14:16 | amiconn | I know, but then they ought to be avoided |
| 22:14:21 | petur | agree |
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| 22:14:35 | petur | most labels stopped selling them anyway |
| 22:15:23 | towlieban | yea |
| 22:15:37 | towlieban | after all that crap that sony got for their rootkit infected cds |
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| 22:19:05 | zivan56 | hmm, I managed to implement the algorithm for the sansa fm tuner and now it tunes to receive perfect audio...but the frequency set has nothing to do with the actual frequency it tunes to |
| 22:19:29 | krush | hey guys! I wrote a plugin. Does somebody wants to help me to verify this one? What do I have to do to provide it to the rockbox-project? |
| 22:19:44 | markun | krush: what kind of plugin did you write? |
| 22:19:48 | krush | a game |
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| 22:20:40 | markun | krush: can you upload it to our patch tracker? |
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| 22:20:56 | krush | what do I have to do? how? |
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| 22:21:29 | Gabriel10000 | hi, does anyone know where i can get the rockbox devkit by cyborg |
| 22:21:33 | Gabriel10000 | the link seems to be broken |
| 22:21:45 | Bagder | why would you want that? |
| 22:21:56 | Bagder | it is outdates since a few years ago, iirc |
| 22:21:59 | Bagder | outdated |
| 22:22:21 | Gabriel10000 | o, is there any development kit that is more current i could use? |
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| 22:22:45 | XavierGr | except the monty pythons clip, is there any more rockbox devcon files we can view/listen? |
| 22:22:55 | Bagder | Gabriel10000: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 22:23:05 | Gabriel10000 | thanks |
| 22:23:06 | Bagder | or http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 22:23:21 | petur | XavierGr: my pics are online too |
| 22:23:26 | Bagder | XavierGr: the 10 minute meeting clip and pics |
| 22:23:33 | petur | but no other movies / soundfiles |
| 22:24:05 | towlieban | are 30GB ipod videos supported by rockboz ? |
| 22:24:18 | Bagder | towlieban: yes |
| 22:24:25 | petur | I can also post my scrobbler.log - my h380 was attached to the soundsystem most of the time (except at the end where Monty Python came) ;) |
| 22:25:11 | amiconn | Wow. |
| 22:25:24 | amiconn | File creation on H300 is even slower than on archos recorder :| |
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| 22:25:39 | XavierGr | petur: links please? |
| 22:26:09 | XavierGr | or where I can find them? |
| 22:26:16 | petur | of the pics? the devcon2007 page |
| 22:26:47 | petur | petur/devcon2007/">http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/ |
| 22:27:04 | XavierGr | and the audio stream? |
| 22:27:14 | petur | warning - features nudity ;) |
| 22:27:28 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:27:30 | petur | audio stream? |
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| 22:27:37 | markun | sorry for all the red in the build table :( |
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| 22:28:01 | Bagder | lots of it |
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| 22:28:10 | XavierGr | gah I meant 10 minute clip, sorry |
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| 22:28:28 | Bagder | XavierGr: http://www.dailymotion.com/peturbox/RockBox for all videos |
| 22:28:35 | Bagder | all three |
| 22:28:53 | XavierGr | thank you |
| 22:29:20 | * | XavierGr sits back and enjoys the show |
| 22:30:58 | * | petur hands out some popcorn |
| 22:32:48 | XavierGr | too bad I cant understand most of it :\ |
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| 22:33:35 | petur | it wasn't meant to be a log of the meeting, just give an idea how it went |
| 22:34:02 | petur | sorry I picked a rather dull subject too |
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| 22:35:14 | XavierGr | no worries, it seems rather interesting, it is just that that audio quality is low and can't make what you are talking about in many parts |
| 22:36:30 | DerPapst | whoo... the midi plugin misses its buffers ^^ |
| 22:36:52 | * | pixelma should have kept her about 60min wav-file she recorded on her Ondio... |
| 22:37:07 | petur | when? |
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| 22:37:25 | pixelma | after the wavrecord plugin commit on saturday evening |
| 22:37:45 | pixelma | but for some stupid reason I deleted it afterwards |
| 22:37:48 | petur | you recorded through a mic? |
| 22:37:59 | pixelma | nah - just internal |
| 22:38:07 | petur | but still... |
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| 22:38:59 | * | DerPapst is enjoying a lightshow... |
| 22:39:13 | DerPapst | small thunderstorm :) |
| 22:39:33 | petur | not a faulty backlight driver? |
| 22:39:48 | Nico_P | Bagder: putting the various www scripts in the SVN repos is a great idea :) |
| 22:39:58 | Nico_P | maybe someday I'll try to understand them |
| 22:40:04 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:40:17 | Bagder | at least people _can_ read them and help out with them now, if wanted |
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| 22:40:38 | DerPapst | petur: http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/Lightning.JPG |
| 22:40:46 | Bagder | I intend to put more (most?) of my web scripts there over time |
| 22:40:59 | pixelma | petur: I deleted it because it wasn't really understandable in the beginning (especially when someone spoke who wasn't near enough) - but maybe there would've been useful parts |
| 22:41:08 | XavierGr | haha petur and markun eating, but I have to say that the food seems to be low in quantity :P |
| 22:41:09 | petur | DerPapst: you made that... now? |
| 22:41:27 | DerPapst | petur: yep. :) |
| 22:41:39 | DerPapst | not now. about a week ago |
| 22:42:02 | markun | XavierGr: yes, but it was enough and very good |
| 22:42:23 | * | petur agrees |
| 22:42:25 | XavierGr | yeah seems of high quality |
| 22:42:28 | DerPapst | toghether with about 25 other pics containing a big black nothing. |
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| 22:45:00 | DerPapst | heh.. the midiplugin crashed my 'pod |
| 22:45:06 | a1titude | long exposure solves that! :p |
| 22:45:31 | a1titude | *(the 25 black photos) |
| 22:46:03 | DerPapst | i think 16 seconds should do the trick |
| 22:46:42 | a1titude | depending on the intensity of the storm, you would think so! :) |
| 22:49:09 | Nico_P | Bagder: there's something about anonymous contributors I'm wondering about and that isn't mentioned in the wiki page: taking code from an anonymous contributor under one's responsability and committing it |
| 22:49:52 | Bagder | we generally don't like that either |
| 22:49:53 | Nico_P | did you discuss that at devcon ? does the policy have something to say on that ? |
| 22:49:54 | Nico_P | ok |
| 22:50:15 | Bagder | if the code piece/change is small, then we can consider it fair use |
| 22:50:19 | XavierGr | well I don't see a problem if the anonymous contributor is ok with that |
| 22:50:19 | bluebrother | petur: did you post the devcon scrobbler file already (and me missed that?) |
| 22:50:44 | Bagder | XavierGr: if we would be ok with that, we could just as well allow anonymous contributions |
| 22:50:58 | petur | I just asked if I should post the scrobbler log |
| 22:51:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: I've just committed the extended test_disk stuff |
| 22:51:09 | XavierGr | well some contributors don't like to just "dontae" the code under a different name |
| 22:51:24 | bluebrother | I'd be interested in that playlist ;-) |
| 22:51:30 | Bagder | XavierGr: yes, so we don't accept their code |
| 22:51:53 | Nico_P | Bagder: then maybe adding something about it in the various pages about contributing would be good |
| 22:51:57 | XavierGr | Bagder: ok but what about those that are willing to just pretend that the commiter coded it? |
| 22:52:27 | Bagder | Nico_P: that we should, yes |
| 22:52:49 | Bagder | XavierGr: as I said, that too is not what we want |
| 22:52:50 | * | Nico_P is changing the FlySprayHowTo page |
| 22:53:15 | XavierGr | Bagder: but that's what I understand from the wiki |
| 22:53:25 | Bagder | then we should fix the wiki |
| 22:53:32 | Bagder | where does it say that? |
| 22:53:32 | XavierGr | that adoptions are okay if the original author accepts it |
| 22:53:37 | XavierGr | hm let me see |
| 22:54:10 | badsheepy | why dont you allow anonymous contributors anyhow? |
| 22:54:28 | XavierGr | ah it was a suggestion on the Devcon wiki page |
| 22:54:54 | * | amiconn notices that the build table images now have width and height properties :) |
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| 22:55:22 | Bagder | yeah, but not for all pics on that page |
| 22:55:26 | Bagder | yet |
| 22:55:38 | XavierGr | Bagder: under the agenda: real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this)real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this)real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this) |
| 22:55:46 | XavierGr | oops sorry about that :\ |
| 22:55:57 | Bagder | "suggestion" being the keyword |
| 22:56:04 | XavierGr | yeah I noticed that now |
| 22:56:52 | Bagder | and really, very many larger projects these days reject anonymous contributions |
| 22:57:00 | Bagder | so its not like we are unique or anything |
| 22:57:16 | badsheepy | whats the reasoning behind rejecting them |
| 22:57:29 | badsheepy | i dont see how it hurts anything? |
| 22:57:31 | XavierGr | well again, I thought that the problem arised with people that did want to take credit |
| 22:58:03 | Bagder | badsheepy: two reasons: we want the project to be by real people with real names |
| 22:58:15 | XavierGr | but if the commiter adopts it as his code then there is no anonymosity |
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| 22:58:18 | Bagder | and there's possibly a legal angle to it, but that is the lesser reason |
| 22:58:27 | Bagder | XavierGr: yes there is |
| 22:58:42 | XavierGr | well not practically at least |
| 22:58:58 | Bagder | we loop the discussion now |
| 22:59:22 | XavierGr | but okay I won't argue about it, I just think it would be a shame when some really usefull snippet is rejected |
| 22:59:43 | Bagder | well, that's very rare |
| 22:59:47 | XavierGr | indeed |
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| 23:00:43 | petur | XavierGr: petur/devcon2007/devcon_scrobbler.log">http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/devcon_scrobbler.log (many songs are from recordings of belgian bands I made and wanted to share with the others |
| 23:00:46 | badsheepy | perhaps made rarer by the unwillingness of people who want to remain anonymous to do anything when they know it wont be accepted? |
| 23:01:01 | Bagder | of course |
| 23:01:31 | bluebrother | XavierGr: have you watched the google video "How to protect your open source project from poisonous people"? |
| 23:01:40 | bluebrother | they also talk a bit about the contribution issue |
| 23:01:46 | XavierGr | Bagder: well I guess that if someone doesn't want credit then he could simply make up a fake name... |
| 23:01:50 | bluebrother | besides, it's quite interesting anyway |
| 23:02:00 | XavierGr | bluebrother: no I will have a look |
| 23:02:04 | bluebrother | a link was posted a couple of days ago |
| 23:02:19 | XavierGr | petur: thanks |
| 23:02:36 | amiconn | ouch... file write speed with 512 byte chunks is indeed s-l-o-w on 80GB/G5.5 with the simple write through cache |
| 23:02:48 | amiconn | 23KB/s |
| 23:02:59 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm just about to test now... |
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| 23:05:48 | amiconn | Hmm, dircache speeds up file opening a lot (roughly 15x on H340), but slows down file creation and deletion by ~15% |
| 23:07:10 | linuxstb | With SVN at 30MHz, Create: 22 files/s, Open: 39 files/s, Dirscan: 4472 files/s, Delete: 57 files/s, Create (512,A): 2857KB/s, Write (512,A): 3036 KB/s, Read (512,A): 1513 KB/s, Create (512,U): 2868 KB/s, Write (512,U): 3034 KB/s, Read (512,U): 1555 KB/s, Create (4096,A): 4762 KB/s, Write (4096,A): 5060 KB/s, Read (4096,A): 2129 KB/s, Create (4096,U): 4758 KB/s, Write (4096,U): 5056 KB/s, Read (4096,U): 2109 KB/s, .... |
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| 23:07:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: How many tests are there? ;) |
| 23:08:39 | amiconn | 4 tests for directory manipulation, and file create/write/read for 3 different block sizes, aligned and unaligned |
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| 23:08:43 | linuxstb | 1MB,A: C=5160, W=5479, R=2192. 1MB,U: C=5145, W=5485, R=2177 |
| 23:09:08 | amiconn | You could just put up the log file somewhere... |
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| 23:09:22 | linuxstb | Now you tell me there's a log file ;) |
| 23:09:35 | amiconn | The commit msg states that... |
| 23:09:51 | linuxstb | I didn't read it - I just saw your msg to me... |
| 23:10:11 | preglow | hmm, using 32 bit l/r iis transfers might be cool on ipods too |
| 23:10:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: Does the log file get overwritten? |
| 23:10:43 | amiconn | nope |
| 23:10:51 | amiconn | It uses create_numbered_filename() |
| 23:11:13 | linuxstb | OK. Do you want the 75MHz version as well? |
| 23:11:19 | amiconn | Nah |
| 23:11:32 | amiconn | A test with the patch applied would be more interesting |
| 23:11:34 | linuxstb | So I'll do the same with your 80GB patch? |
| 23:11:48 | * | amiconn notices linuxstb has dircache disabled |
| 23:12:25 | * | linuxstb looks over his shoulder |
| 23:13:15 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:15:17 | linuxstb | First figures coming in... Create: 21 files/s, Open; 39 files/s Dirscan 4430 files/s, delete 48 files/s |
| 23:17:35 | amiconn | Looking good... there shouldn't be significant deviations from the first test |
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| 23:20:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: logfiles here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_disk_log_01.txt (and 02). 01 is SVN, 02 is with your patch. |
| 23:21:27 | linuxstb | Almost no change in read speed, a small drop in write/create. |
| 23:22:00 | amiconn | Looking really good |
| 23:22:38 | amiconn | The values are very similar to what I get on the G5.5/80, except for creating and writing in 512 byte blocks |
| 23:22:41 | linuxstb | BTW, this was ipod55g-4.diff, hopefully that's the latest. |
| 23:23:00 | amiconn | It is, except for a missing sanity check in ata_init() |
| 23:24:10 | amiconn | The write through cache seems to be too simple a solution :( |
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| 23:26:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you need anything else from my ipod? |
| 23:26:50 | amiconn | Nope. Thanks for testing :) |
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| 23:27:25 | linuxstb | You're welcome. Are you planning to commit tonight? |
| 23:28:06 | amiconn | Not sure yet. I'll try a few more things regarding more compact and/or faster code |
| 23:28:21 | amiconn | First thing is a single sector cache instead of 2 |
| 23:28:41 | amiconn | Maybe it's just constant seeking that hits performance here |
| 23:29:13 | amiconn | ~2MB/sec on an "ordinary" video vs. 23KB/sec on the 80GB is a shame |
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| 23:30:19 | amiconn | All these changes won't influence other targets or even other G5s |
| 23:31:10 | amiconn | Your test was for verifying that this statement holds, and that the additional condition checks don't hit performance too much |
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| 23:43:25 | sgarrity | ipodcatcher is telling me "[ERR] No ipods found, aborting", though the iPod (4Gb iPod Nano) is mounted at /media/iPod - I'm using Fedora Core 6. Any ideas? |
| 23:43:40 | sgarrity | running as root doesn't change anything |
| 23:43:58 | Bagder | sgarrity: I think it wants it unmounted |
| 23:44:16 | Bagder | or am I possibly just tired? |
| 23:44:16 | sgarrity | Bagder: ah! I'll try that |
| 23:44:59 | Llorean | I think it does need to be unmounted for linux users, yes |
| 23:45:01 | sgarrity | Bagder: no, that didn't change anything |
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| 23:45:21 | Llorean | sgarrity: Have you ever: Repartitioned the Device, installed Linux, used another Filesystem on it? |
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| 23:45:55 | sgarrity | Llorean: it's a used device, so I can't be certain - but I don't think so |
| 23:46:40 | n1s | sgarrity: you could try to build ipodpatcher from svn, a fix for this was comitted today |
| 23:46:49 | Llorean | Unless they've uploaded the newest version of ipodpatcher, the current version looks for some magic information as part of determining if a device is an ipod |
| 23:47:00 | Llorean | Attempts at manually repartitioning it can destroy that information. |
| 23:47:25 | sgarrity | so trying the latest version from SVN is worth a shot? |
| 23:47:29 | n1s | sgarrity: also, your nano isn't second generation, is it? |
| 23:47:37 | sgarrity | n1s: I think so, yeah |
| 23:48:25 | n1s | well, rockbox does not support second gen nanos... |
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| 23:48:46 | sgarrity | it's a second gen Mini |
| 23:49:03 | sgarrity | oh, I see... |
| 23:49:11 | Llorean | Mini and Nano are two different things. |
| 23:49:13 | sgarrity | Sorry for wasting your time - thanks for the help. |
| 23:49:13 | n1s | ah, but second gen min will work |
| 23:49:13 | Bagder | 2g mini should work fine |
| 23:49:52 | sgarrity | ok, so I'm good. |
| 23:50:15 | n1s | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 how to identify your ipod |
| 23:51:10 | sgarrity | yeah, it's the iPod mini (4 GB Second Generation) - which seems to be supported |
| 23:51:23 | n1s | yep, that is supported |
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| 23:53:46 | sgarrity | does the ipodcatcher source live in the same repo as the rest of rockbox? |
| 23:54:17 | linuxstb | Yes, under "rbutil/ipodpatcher/" |
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| 23:56:41 | linuxstb | Llorean: Apart from users getting just an Apple logo (and no errors) which I've fixed, do you know of any other ipod bootloader problems? When amiconn commits his 80GB patch to SVN, I'll take the opportunity to release a new set. |
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| 23:58:36 | amiconn | Wow, the apple fw takes ages to boot |
| 23:58:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: It doesn't reboot to apple when Rockbox.ipod isn't present. |
| 23:58:47 | Llorean | I'm not sure if it's supposed to any more. |
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| 23:58:57 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, so users know rockbox.ipod isn't present... |
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