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#rockbox log for 2007-05-26

00:00:35Lloreanos10: There's no bounty system in place at the moment
00:00:48jhMikeSor...maybe I'm wrong since the button init should be called ?? hmmm
00:00:48linuxstb"at the moment" ?
00:01:02Lloreanlinuxstb: Well it seems unlikely, but you can't really rule out the future, can you?
00:01:14LloreanI don't think a bounty system would work terribly well here, though
00:01:22os10ok
00:01:26krazykitsweet, my build works :-D
00:01:44krazykitand i must say, i like the switched buttons on the gigabeat
00:01:47jhMikeSif anyone wants someone rounded up a brought in for randsome, I'm game
00:02:08linuxstbLlorean: Personally I don't like them. Bounties ignore the foundations the person who gets the bounty is building on...
00:02:27Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, that's a pretty significant reason I'm not fond of them either
00:02:43LloreanIt's like only giving the gold medal to the last runner on the marathon team.
00:03:57os10hmm. didn't intend that. more like, the chance to sponsor some features that might not appeal to the majority
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00:05:13jhMikeSLlorean: yes, I guess it is that...right now it's depending on the timer interrupt until this GPIO IRQ is figured out and that's not started there. I suppose a little hackeroo to button_read_device for the BL would work.
00:05:27os10but if everyone benefits from the extra configurabilty, whiy not..?
00:05:47LloreanjhMikeS: That might be nice. The updated "Do not rescan" bits for the OF require the new bootloader, which then doesn't respond to keypresses (not a necessity in most cases, but still ;))
00:05:49jhMikeSthe scrollwheel is of no consequence there, right?
00:05:54LloreanNo consequence at all
00:06:02jhMikeSok, then it's real simple
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00:07:07Lloreanos10: There's often a balancing act in regards to adding features into the core of Rockbox. While plugins are pretty much a shoe-in if they work on all targets, core features often have to overcome several questions relating to how much benefit they offer, vs the binary size increase and overall complexity increase.
00:07:27Lloreanos10: This is partially because some older hardware has limitations the new players don't, and partially because it pays in the long run to try to keep things manageable.
00:07:54LloreanThat being said, there aren't that many unpopular features that are also likely to get included in SVN Rockbox (in my opinion)
00:08:23linuxstbos10: Do you have any features in mind?
00:08:37os10undrestood. i'm just... excited about the possibilites that can't seem to be acheived throgh mainstream OEMs.
00:08:47Buschelok, i will quite now (my wife's complaining since an hour now:) we will see again in the next days
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00:09:39linuxstbos10: Also, I think Rockbox is still going through a major stage of expansion to many different devices - and lots of those ports (e.g. the ipods) are not yet as good as we would wish.
00:09:49 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@63-226-219-199.tukw.qwest.net)
00:09:59Lloreanlinuxstb: On the plus side, os10 seems to have tried it on the Gigabeat F, which is pretty solid.
00:10:10linuxstbIndeed it is.
00:10:41linuxstbThe Toshiba firmware is still getting in the way, so it will be very nice when Rockbox has a bootloader in flash.
00:10:55Lloreanos10: There's no doubt Rockbox offers a lot of possibility. There are some exciting features that may show up by the end of the summer, included better voice functionality for blind users, and maybe even Album Art.
00:12:58os10for a long time, i held Rio Karma/Carbon firmware as THE stardard. RB is past that, functionally. which is a _huge_ achievement IMO
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00:15:30jhMikeSLlorean: Are buttons supposed to work in the bootloader despite the hold button?
00:15:31os10Toshiba F40 w/RB is damn near perfect
00:16:42LloreanjhMikeS: No, I don't believe so.
00:19:01os10LloreanL have you had a chance to handle the Trekstor Vibez..?
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00:25:10SliMMguys
00:25:33SliMMmy 5g 30 gb ipood reads from the hdd almost all the time
00:25:50SliMMan i think this causes the playback issues
00:25:54SliMMand*
00:26:11SliMMwhat should i do?
00:27:44Soapusing the most recent current build?
00:28:20SliMMindeed
00:28:38SoapEQ and other sound-shaping options on or off?
00:28:48SliMMit's been doing that for a month or so
00:28:50SliMMeq on
00:29:19Soapdoes it do it with the EQ off?
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00:29:27SliMMit probably have playback issues due tu the hot weather now
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00:29:51SliMMi don't know, but it shouldn't read from the hdd all the time
00:31:43SliMMit stops playing for a few seconds, it freezes sometimes
00:32:00Soapwith the EQ off?
00:32:03SliMMor just skip the current track
00:32:06SliMMno, on
00:32:13Soapand with the EQ off?
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00:32:47SliMMi'll do a test tommorow, butwith eq off it still reads from the hdd all the time
00:32:51*Soap suspects SliMM is using 4 (if not all 5) bands of the EQ and overloading the teeny tiny iPod CPU.
00:33:15SliMMi'm using 5 :)
00:33:36Soapthat's your problem. I say that with 95% confidence.
00:33:47SliMMwill i have the same problems with hw eq?
00:33:51Soapnope
00:34:19SliMMgood, i'll use hw eq then
00:34:22SliMMthanks
00:36:58preglowsomeone with 5g needs to check out that hw eq once and for all
00:37:04preglowi'd rather just see it become a bass/treble control
00:37:58midkaypreglow: what about it?
00:38:11preglowwell, right now, it looks like it supports all five bands, no?
00:38:17SliMMwhat is cuesheet support?
00:38:22preglowwhile it really just supports lowshelf and highshelf controls
00:38:26preglowSliMM: support for cuesheets
00:38:38midkaypreglow: exactly, so.. what do you need to know about it? that's about all there is to know.
00:38:40SliMMcuesheets being what?
00:38:43preglowSliMM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sheet_(computing)
00:38:49midkaythe two extremes are all that work, apparently.
00:39:00preglowmidkay: well, if the middle ones don't work at all, they shouldn't be there
00:39:05midkaythough i'd vote against making it bass/treble, because adjusting the cutoff frequency is useful.
00:39:17preglowthere's no point in having something non-functional for all time just in case it might work in theory
00:39:22midkaypreglow: ok, i don't see how that requires some investigation by someone with a 5g. :)
00:39:29preglowmidkay: we can do that on all the other targets too
00:39:43preglowmidkay: i say we choose on of them, and make it a bass/treble control
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00:39:57*midkay votes against..
00:39:59preglowthe fact that we can select cutoff hasn't stopped us on all other targets
00:40:13preglowwhy should 5g be special?
00:40:16SliMMsoap: eq was the problem :P
00:40:21midkayi didn't say that. i don't want to lose that ability is all.
00:40:30preglowwell, you never should have had it :>
00:40:36midkaywell we should toss bass/treble and introduce a HW EQ for all targets.. or make bass/treble cutoff adjustable.
00:40:42midkayhaha. :)
00:41:00preglowi'd just like greater consistence
00:41:08preglow5g has no bass/treble controls, afaik, yet has a hw eq
00:41:19preglowall other targets with similar hardware is the other way around
00:41:27midkayright, i don't see why we should lose or omit functionality is all.
00:41:39preglowok, so we should port all other targets to have a hw eq?
00:41:40midkayi vote very strongly against losing my ability - that i already have - to adjust the cutoff.
00:41:45midkaysure, that sounds excellent.
00:41:58midkayor, keep it called bass and treble, but make the cutoff adjustable. same thing.
00:41:58preglowok enough
00:42:15preglowbut we still should adjust the screen as it is, it implies there are controls which don't seem to exist
00:42:30midkaypreglow: that makes sense, sure.. it really confused me for a while. :)
00:42:46midkayi only found out on IRC that the three middle filters didn't do anything.
00:42:46preglowi won't do any of this anyway, since i don't have a 5g
00:43:17preglowthey are in the docs we have, but the chip in the 5g might not have them, since the doc doesn't match the chip rev exaclt
00:43:20preglowexactly..
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00:43:30midkaynobody bothered trying? :)
00:48:36SoapiPod is the red-headed stepchild of Rockbox.
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00:48:51preglowi'd rather it be a secret mistress
00:48:56preglowred-headed would still be ok
00:48:57JourneyWhy is it that I can't hear any sound in doom on rockbox?
00:49:10scorchepreglow: partial to redheads?
00:49:24preglowscorche: i'm partial to most women
00:49:28 Quit ender` (" Theory of relativity in practice: How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you are on.")
00:49:50scorcheah...so the non-partial part would be beer...gotcha
00:50:04preglowwhich i don't have :/
00:50:20preglowi was so non-partial towards it, i drank it
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00:50:40scorchewell, at least beer is cheaper than women
00:50:53preglownot in norway, heh
00:51:00scorchehaha
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00:59:07preglowin socialist norway, beer buy you!
00:59:34preglowi think my humour has regressed to a point where bed would be the only certain cure
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01:00:17Soapor...perhaps more beer?
01:02:36scorcheit likely has regressed to the point when you can only be funny when you are full up on ber =)
01:02:50scorchebeer even!
01:06:09preglowi have no beer, so the only sane course of action is bed
01:06:09preglowgnite
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01:39:53Journeyhow come there's no music in doom? I could only enable sounds
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03:21:30Journeycan ScummVM run on rockbox?
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03:22:21linuxstbno
03:24:27LloreanAnd it's rather unlikely for it to be ported.
03:25:25saratogathe problems with the current fixed point wma decoder are strange
03:25:38saratogagives almost exact results most of the time
03:26:02saratogathen suddenly it'll throw out random crap for 500-1500 samples once and a while, with just a hint of the actual music underneath
03:26:28saratogait sounds like clipping, but the "clipped" samples are often louder then the correct ones
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03:28:56Lloreansaratoga: Is it at least consistent when it throws the random crap?
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03:30:43saratogait does it everytime, sure
03:30:50saratogathe decoder is deterministic
03:31:01saratogajust theres nothing obviously different about the troubled parts
03:31:32saratogathey can be blocks of any size, the file i'm using has LR stereo only, and its CBR with fixed frame sizes
03:32:21saratogaunless i'm missing something stupid, the troubled parts and the correct parts pass through the same code paths
03:33:50LloreanI'm just wondering, it couldn't be a buffer overflow or anything? I know I'll start with an assumption like "the audio triggers it" and then discover that it was triggered by the amount of data processed so far instead, which would still result in a deterministic location of the glitch.
03:34:39saratogai don't think so, since I've tried seeking to the middle of the frame, and I still get it
03:34:52LloreanGotcha
03:35:00saratoganow that i think about it, it may be due to some rounding error
03:35:09saratogait seems to happen during drum beats
03:35:25saratogaeven though its well below peak, maybe it loses the top most bit or something?
03:35:39saratogaah, i'll dig into this tomorrow
03:35:47LloreanRest helps.
03:36:58jac0bI am trying to use the album-art plugin but in my theme it has a big patch missing
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03:40:27jac0bhttp://home.earthlink.net/~jacob.brooks/untitled.jpg here is my problem
03:40:30SoapI am assuming, jac0b, that you are using a build with album art, and that the theme in question has been updated to the current WPS code, and the theme in question does not also use the BMP resize or scroll margins patches, and your album art is properly named and sized?
03:41:07LloreanIt looks like it's a scroll margin issue
03:41:28jac0bdo I need to turn off the scroll margins
03:41:32Soapif you remove the line with the volume on it - does the blank space go away?
03:42:52jac0bthe space gets smaller when I removed the volume
03:43:28mirakhi
03:43:28Soapand the track time line is the other perp. I assume?
03:44:13jac0byep that was it the volume and time were messing it up
03:46:29Soapnarrows down the tags you need to inspect.
03:46:40jac0bthanks
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03:50:42jac0bwhy does it do that for those 2 tage and not the others like the codec tag?
03:51:41Soapnot seeing the code I can't say - but the answer should be in the difference between those lines.
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03:52:48summatusmentishow does rockbox read the music an ipod? does it read iTunesDB?
03:53:00LloreanWhat exactly do you mean?
03:53:16LloreanFor playing music, the most basic method is just opening the file from the disk and playing it.
03:53:35LloreanIf you mean "How does Rockbox index the music in its database", Rockbox scans known filetypes and indexes the tags itself, it doesn't do anything with the iTunesDB
03:53:59SoapApple isn't really that evil when it comes to the iPod and the Apple Firmware's database. The files are simply renamed, all their tags are left attached.
03:54:24summatusmentisLlorean: so rockbox doesn't touch the iTunesDB, and I could just put more music on the iPod via USB mass storage, and rockbox will add it to the DB?
03:54:53Lloreansummatusmentis: It'll add it to Rockbox's Database, yep
03:54:57Soapit will add it to _Rockbox's_ database, Apple Firmware won't see it.
03:55:07summatusmentisSoap: right, that's what I'm asking
03:55:46Soapjust making sure - there are a lot of implied questions on here at times.
03:55:47summatusmentisso, assuming I want to keep using apple's firmware in addition to rockbox, my best bet is to add to iTunesDB, and rockbox will add it on it's own, correct?
03:56:03LloreanYeah
03:56:14summatusmentisSoap: I'm sure :-D
03:56:15LloreanRockbox only automatically indexes new songs if you have "Auto-update" on
03:56:28summatusmentisLlorean: ok, I'll get to that once I get it installed
03:56:44LloreanBut you can also just manually choose "Update" when you know you've added songs, as an alternative
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04:11:27EXCiD3does anyone else have a Creative Zen Xtra?
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04:17:43summatusmentisok, so I screwed up installing, and installed the bootloader before the rockbox
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04:17:50summatusmentisand now I can't mount it in linux
04:19:11LloreanJust turn it off, then turn it on and immediately switch on and leave on the hold switch
04:19:17LloreanAnd read the manual more carefully next time. ;)
04:23:10Lloreansummatusmentis: I do have to ask, what prompted you to skip the section for Installing the Firmware?
04:23:23LloreanIt seems people like to skip it, and we haven't figured out how to make it more clear that it needs to be done.
04:23:45summatusmentisLlorean: it's doesn't jump out at you
04:24:14summatusmentisyou see installation instructions for the bootloader, and it's OS specific, it just makes you think it should be there...
04:24:23LloreanThe section called "2.2.3.  Installing the firmware" doesn't suggest that you need to do it when trying to install the firmware?
04:25:05LloreanIn fact, in the bootloader installation section it even asks you to make sure a .rockbox folder exists, so you have to skip that step too.
04:25:11LloreanWhat would you suggest we add?
04:25:15summatusmentisI was scanning, and I didn't really read it
04:25:25summatusmentisI would just make the install more bold, make sure people see it
04:26:08scorchebut it is the same as "installing the bootloader"...i dont see why people see that when installing the firmware is right above it in the same text "installing the bootloader is
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04:26:40LloreanYeah, it's exactly as bold as installing the bootloader, and since you're trying to install an alternative firmware, you'd think "Installing the Firmware" would be the one that gets done most of the time, and "Installing the Bootloader" is the one that might get skipped
04:28:33summatusmentisI don' know....
04:28:45LloreanAh well
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04:30:35summatusmentisIt works! is there a way to make the fonts larger on the screen?
04:30:42LloreanYes, pick a larger font
04:31:04LloreanThe manual covers installing the fonts extras zip, and how to change fonts.
04:31:10LloreanThough that's a later section. ;)
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04:33:19summatusmentisjust say it, rtfm
04:34:06scorchewe believe in being slightly nicer =)
04:34:15LloreanBut only slightly. Hehehe.
04:34:31scorcheindeed
04:34:35*scorche cracks his whip
04:34:46summatusmentislol
04:37:31krazykiti suppose here, f stands for fine ;-)
04:37:37krazykitthat's the "nicer" bit
04:39:48krazykitoh sweet
04:40:10krazykitthe sim worked, now i can hack on my theme
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05:12:02jac0bwhere can I find the current sd-card patch
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05:22:08terinjokesping... good (early!) morning!
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05:43:39krazykitheh, wps is much easier than i thought.
05:46:12terinjokesif your decent with image editing, can make some pretty nice ones too...
05:47:04krazykitright now i'm adding album art to an existing one
05:47:12krazykitmodifying it some as well
05:47:38krazykiti suck at image editing though. i need to work on my GIMP skills
05:47:44terinjokesha! i can never get album art to work on my player...
05:48:01*terinjokes snickers at the though of GIMP
05:48:08krazykitwell, i just made my own build
05:49:11krazykithm, the sim seems to render some things a little funny
05:49:52terinjokeswhat's your distro?
05:49:56krazykitnm, that's an error in my source files :-(
05:50:06krazykitstupid bad eyes not catching it
05:50:09*krazykit runs debian sid
05:54:00terinjokesi'm in the process of diciding between gentoo and osx (on my iBook G4)
05:54:29krazykitugh, not gentoo, seriously
05:54:34krazykitespecially on a g4
05:54:40krazykitcompile times are a bitch
05:54:57terinjokeskrazykit: I'm not bother by it...
05:55:21krazykiti switched away from gentoo :-/
05:55:53terinjokesI can't stand anything besides gentoo (especially that horror of ubuntu)
05:56:18terinjokesi don't understand why people like ubuntu...
05:56:52terinjokes(in the same regards, I don't understand why people want linux on there ipods... rockbox is just so much better)
05:56:55krazykiti'd rather use debian if i was gonna use it
05:57:14krazykitubuntu is easy, is why people like it. you don't have to tweak or play with stuff
05:58:03terinjokesubuntu was the opposite of 'easy'.... gentoo was so much easier...
05:59:19krazykiti guess it depends on why you want gentoo. is it the configurability? the bleeding-edge-ability? ricing?
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06:01:18terinjokesin gentoo everything (besides sleep) kinda just worked... and portage is the easiest (and best) package manager i've ever used
06:01:45krazykityou could use freebsd :-P
06:02:38terinjokeson an iBook?
06:02:56krazykitsure
06:03:06krazykitppc is supported
06:03:14Soap#Rockbox for all on-topic discussion. #Rockbox-community for all off-topic discussion.
06:03:26krazykitfine, fine
06:03:57krazykitterinjokes, to #rockbox-community with this
06:04:38scorchePMs work too
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06:07:22terinjokessorry Soap, it started as an on-topic discussion of WPS...
06:07:31krazykitthat's irc for you
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07:07:18krazykitwould it be a horrible idea to increase the WPS cache size?
07:07:39LloreanWell, any memory you spend there is being removed from somewhere else
07:07:44LloreanIt's less memory to buffer audio in.
07:08:05LloreanWhich means that everyone who doesn't need it increased still loses a little audio buffer despite that, since it's static sized.
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07:08:17krazykiti see.
07:08:27krazykitprobably a better idea to lighten the WPS then.
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07:08:42LloreanGenerally speaking, if you've run out of the buffer space you're not doing things as efficiently as you can.
07:09:32krazykitprobably. i was hoping to add album-art support to an existing theme
07:09:47krazykitbut it looks like it'd be easier to make a lighter wps from the ground up
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08:52:42RedbrevaAny Sansa users about? If you go to 'Save Theme Settings' - which button is OK/Accept/Save??
08:54:45midkaycouldn't you just try a few different ones?
08:55:36LloreanRedbreva: You may also want to try a long-press of various buttons.
08:56:42RedbrevaI have tried loads... so far I have added A, deleted g and cancelled ! - The manual did not help either, not in section 9.3.3 which relates to that menu at least
08:57:59RedbrevaBugger - it's 9 in the sim....
08:58:28midkayyou must not have tried all the buttons.
08:58:40RedbrevaTrue....
08:59:08RedbrevaLife would be easier if all the sims used the same button mapping.... :-(
08:59:15midkay { ACTION_KBD_DONE, BUTTON_UP, BUTTON_NONE },
08:59:32midkay"up"?
08:59:36midkaydid you try that?
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09:00:25Redbrevayep, I have now (9)... just not that intuitive to press UP to accept, but left to cancel I suppose
09:00:50midkaycancel seems to be "power".
09:01:02midkayanyways, i agree that it's not intuitive, but regardless, that's what it is.
09:01:14RedbrevaThanks anyway ;-)
09:01:32midkaysure :)
09:01:48Lloreanmidkay: On the Sansa, "Up" is the Play/Pause button actually
09:01:53LloreanIt's just placed at the top of the wheel
09:02:07midkayi see.
09:02:20LloreanSo it's not really "Up"
09:04:48midkaywell, i put it in quotations... it says "up" in the file, that's all i can suggest without knowing the sansa keymap.
09:05:11LloreanYeah, I was more talking in the context of logic
09:05:12midkayif someone told me to press "up" on an iPod without really knowing the keymap, i'd probably assume that if scrolling didn't work, it might be the "menu" button.
09:05:29LloreanWhile "Up" makes little sense for a confirm button, Play/Pause makes a decent amount of sense
09:05:41midkayoh, i see.
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09:06:31LloreanSo I was just trying to explain why I suspected someone picked what, to someone who didn't know the physical keymap, might seem a direction button for the confirmation. :)
09:06:46RedbrevaIt's the Sims where I have the problems... Play is + on the ipod, but 9 on the Sansa, Menu is . on the ipod, but 1 on the sansa etc...
09:06:50midkayLlorean: thanks, i get it. makes a little more sense. :)
09:06:56midkayyes, quite weird..
09:07:11LloreanRedbreva: Play is above the wheel on Sansas, below the wheel on iPods
09:07:52LloreanIn Jewels, Menu moves upward on the iPods, Play moves upward on the Sansa, and the up button on the cross moves upward on the Gigabeat.
09:08:29LloreanI think there'd be more confusion if you made 9 always be play, than if you tried (somewhat) to line them up with how they're positioned physically (though I'm not sure this is done either)
09:09:38amiconnWhy isn't the play/pause button of the Sansa called BUTTON_PLAY in the code? That makes no sense
09:09:59Lloreanamiconn: I couldn't begin to guess.
09:10:01RedbrevaSure... I think the sansa keypad mapping is probably more logical than the ipod mapping (again in the sim), but I have got used to the latter!
09:10:25Lloreanamiconn: Probably the same reason that the the 'Circle' button on the H10 is called "BUTTON_RIGHT"
09:10:34terinjokeslol
09:11:56amiconnOn the Player the play button is also the top one on the 4-button "plate", but still called BUTTON_PLAY. Same goes for the ipod 4G button pad, where Play is at the bottom
09:12:46amiconnLlorean: Left and Right are somewhat special as they are the only buttons existing on all targets. That doesn't mean we cannot break this rule if it's necessary for a target...
09:13:47*amiconn wonders what a circle button is
09:14:01Lloreanamiconn: The H10 doesn't really have a Left/Right, but it has those two buttons on the front face that are to either side of the finger slider.
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09:14:29LloreanThe one on the right, roughly equivalent to "Select" on other players I believe, is the "Right" button for the H10
09:14:39LloreanErr, Right/Circle
09:15:17amiconnDo they have some kind of non-generic marking?
09:15:48LloreanAs far as I understand, it just has a circle on it
09:15:57LloreanIt's used for "Next Track" in Rockbox, so got called "Right"
09:16:02LloreanBut in the manual it's referred to as "Select"
09:16:25amiconnAnd the left one?
09:16:28LloreanNo clue
09:16:30LloreanI don't have an H10
09:16:51amiconnWell, Right duplicates as Select on the Ondio as well
09:16:51LloreanCancel
09:16:55LloreanWith a Left Arrow on it
09:17:04LloreanHm
09:17:10LloreanThere are actual Prev/Next buttons on the H10 too it seems
09:17:16amiconnOkay, then it makes some sense to call them Left and Right
09:17:16Lloreanhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch3.html
09:17:37amiconnIn the code, I mean
09:18:21LloreanYeah
09:19:12amiconnBut on the Sansa I would call the top and bottom buttons Play and Menu, respectively.
09:19:24LloreanSame here
09:19:25amiconnIt's basically the ipod layout mirrored vertically
09:19:34LloreanOf course, it'd also be nice if the bottom button opened the main menu, instead of the context menu
09:19:48LloreanThe buttons are a little crazy at the moment on the Sansa
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09:48:33pixelmaLlorean, amiconn: it also makes me wonder that for the sansa's scrollwheel the button actions are called "SCROLL_UP/DOWN" in the Code and not "SCROLL_FFWD/REW" like on the Ipods (already mentioned here a while ago)
09:50:38webguest08is it possible to put videos on the iPod nano with rockbox?
09:51:19ptw419rockbox for arm platforms only compiles w/ arm-elf-gcc/binutils 2.16
09:51:20ptw419?
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09:55:27webguest08"<ptw419> rockbox for arm platforms only compiles w/ arm-elf-gcc/binutils 2.16" Was that for me or someone else?
09:55:56ptw419for whoever was listening and has knowledge on this topic :)
09:56:41webguest08ok, so it started before i signed then>
09:56:50ptw419well, I don't know if this is a big deal, but while working on the firmware patcher for the gigabeat S, I noticed that arm-elf-as gave codes that the gigabeat S(or IDA) wouldn't read correctly
09:56:56ptw419no just started now
09:57:15ptw419i'm not sure if this is a bug in this version of binutils or w/e
09:58:00ptw419and i doubt it probably affects any current builds of rockbox b/c i'm sure someone would have brought it up by now. but i guess i just wanted to make someone aware of this
09:59:03ptw419i tried the current build of gcc/binutils and i got build errors btw
09:59:21webguest08oh yeah i remembered why i signed in; how do you add songs to the iPod after adding rockbox?
09:59:41webguest08I added some songs to the F00 folder but they havent showed up :P
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10:01:48PaulJamwebguest08: how do you try to access the songs? via filebrowser or via database?
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10:06:15PaulJamyou have to update the database after adding new songs to the player or enable the autoupdate (afaik this requires dircache to be enabled to work).
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10:06:32[IDC]Dragon'morning
10:07:06amiconnmo0ning ;)
10:07:55*[IDC]Dragon has an OT question, I'm looking for a way to access my mp3 collection from remote
10:08:16[IDC]Dragonsomewhat like an FTP server, running under Linux
10:08:22scorchehow remote are we talking?
10:08:29[IDC]Dragoninternet
10:08:30webguest08ok i just did that and hit update now also so i'l see what happens
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10:09:06scorcheand do you want to access it as in moving/copying/adding, or listening?
10:09:12[IDC]Dragonand give logins to selected people
10:09:21scorcheso the first?
10:09:37[IDC]Dragonfile copying, but searching and streaming would be a very nice to have
10:09:56[IDC]Dragonand queued downloads
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10:10:23[IDC]Dragonone of the hundreds of file sharing protocols may be suitable
10:10:35scorchewell, i have just used FTP for the former, and shoutcast/icecast for the latter
10:11:02amiconnWhy not just use a http server with logins? Add ssl if you don't want to have passwords as cleartext over the wire
10:11:42[IDC]Dragonbecause of the straming and searching part, recursive downloads
10:12:06[IDC]Dragons/straming/streaming
10:12:23webguest08thanks <PaulJam>
10:12:24amiconnSearching can be done by a cgi script
10:12:33amiconnStreaming is possible via http
10:13:03[IDC]Dragonand queued downloads at the client side?
10:13:21amiconnJust use a download manager
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10:13:40PaulJamwebguest08: btw, there is a manual for rockbox (in case you didn't know)
10:14:06[IDC]Dragonthe CGI part is beyond me, are there any canned solutions?
10:14:31[IDC]Dragonhow would I do the streaming?
10:14:44amiconnJust hand the http: link to the player program
10:14:56*[IDC]Dragon is glad to have sysadmins in here
10:14:58webguest08yeah i couldnt find it in the manual, but it was on my moniter for hours yesterday cos i couldnt figure out why i couldnt install it - the reason? WindowsME...
10:15:21webguest08which was the reason i couldnt update the original firmware too
10:15:23amiconnOf course http streaming is not as reliable as a dedicated streaming protocol, but then mp3 isn't the ideal format for streaming anyway
10:15:44[IDC]Dragonplain IE is too stupid for that, downloads the file and passes it to media player
10:15:51amiconnShoutcast doesn't do much more than plain http streaming. The only extra is embedding metadata in the stream afaik
10:16:25amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Link->context menu->copy address to clipboard->paste in player program
10:17:25amiconnBut you can put the link to the stream in a .pls file (shoutcast playlist) and link that from your webpage
10:17:48amiconnThen the browser will download the .pls and pass it to the configured viewer for .pls
10:18:00amiconnWinamp, Deliplayer, whatever
10:19:12[IDC]Dragonlots of tinkering, I was hoping for a more out-of-the-box solution, since the problem doesn't sound too exotic to me
10:19:39JdGordonhey all
10:19:44JdGordonanyone else not getting FS emails?
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10:34:09webguest08If I put the iPod video firmware on my nano can I play videos on it?
10:36:27[IDC]Dragongotty go, cu
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10:36:38linuxstbwebguest08: Did you just post that question in the forum?
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10:38:40webguest08i posted it cos this keeps glitching on me, iv had to close it 3 times and restart and none of my messages came up, sorry
10:39:08webguest08it hadnt come up (10 minutes after posting) here so i went to the form
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11:20:32PaulJamany mpegplayer experts around?
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11:42:24markunPaulJam: I don't think I'm an expert, but what's the problem?
11:45:24PaulJamto me it seems as if the mpegplayer skips to the next keyframe as soon as the decoding is a few frames behind and the video then runs at ~2 fps until the audio is in sync again.
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11:48:15markunPaulJam: better wait for jhMikeS then
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11:48:42PaulJamand i was wondering if it wouldn't be better if the player would only jump to the next keyframe when the audio is at the position of the keyframe. so the video decoding might have the chance to keep up with the audio before the next keyframe.
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12:01:25preglowamiconn: pong...
12:02:22amiconnWow, round trip time 15240 seconds... ;)
12:02:44amiconnpreglow: What would be needed to figure out the hw eq capabilities on the G5?
12:03:02amiconnMaybe use a frequency sweep, and record the output of the ipod?
12:03:20preglowamiconn: i really don't know, since the docs aren't known to be exact, and retailos isn't sure to be using the hardware either
12:03:43preglowwell, you'd hear it if you managed to trigger peaking filters
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12:04:00amiconnI mean when using it in rockbox, so that we can tell for sure whether the peaking filter work or not
12:04:13preglowa sweep would work well, yes
12:04:15*amiconn isn't sure he would hear that
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12:04:33preglowa logarithmic frequency one
12:05:56preglowor a linear one if you're just going to look at the results on a spectrum analyser
12:06:16preglowlogarithmic sweeps make it easier to obtain an impulse response to use in modelling, but we don't probably want to do that
12:07:00amiconnHmm, when using a spectrum analyser, white noise should work too?
12:07:17*amiconn isn't sure whether audacity can do spectrum analysis
12:07:30preglowit can, but it's really crap at it
12:07:43preglowi haven't yet found a Good spectrum analyzer in linux
12:08:44preglowwhite noise can work, but it's hard to see changes in the amplitude response that are small, due to the random fluctuations in the spectrum
12:10:38*amiconn is running windows
12:11:45preglowcool edit's (now adobe audition...) spectrum analyzer rocks
12:12:07amiconnThat one 's not free software...
12:12:57preglowindeed not
12:13:11preglowbut free software and audio so far go badly together
12:13:45preglowprobably isn't even a demo now that adobe has bought it
12:17:50*amiconn thinks about performing some tests regarding the hw eq on LinusN's G5.5
12:18:38preglowwould be very cool, i don't like the half-assed solution we have now
12:18:52preglowif it only has bass/treble controls, that's what they should be called
12:20:23amiconnThe lcd is indeed decent, in that it is readable w/o backlight
12:20:41amiconnDepends a little on the colour scheme though
12:21:20amiconnMaybe we could modify the lcd driver to update the lcd to pure b&w (or just the 8 pure RGB colours) whenever the backlight is off
12:21:37preglowhmm
12:21:45amiconnMeh, now I even think about getting such a beast myself :/
12:21:46preglowyeah, that might work well
12:21:59pixelmamarkun: seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/7202 ? Somehow I thought you updated the manual as well...
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12:22:30n1spixelma: he did
12:23:52n1sthe reporter is seeing the old button behaviour in rockbox but the new one described in the manual, I asked him to try the latest build a couple of days ago...
12:24:00pixelmaah... now I read your comment ;)
12:25:09*amiconn doesn't like the fingerprint feature of the ipod video though
12:25:24preglowall the ipods come with that now
12:25:51preglowdirt, smudge and fingerprint mode
12:26:07crashdthey do get filthy, that's for sure
12:26:12amiconnExcept the Nano G2, which has the same nice case as the ipod mini
12:27:01preglowarghg
12:27:06preglowi still want the docs for that hardware!
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12:33:51LearYou've seen the Linux4Nano's work on it, I guess?
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12:39:17markunLear: I didn't. Do you have a link?
12:40:13markunfound the link
12:40:56markunbut I don't see any of the work they did
12:41:34LearA PDf doc is here: http://www.linux4nano.org/drupal/files/hardware_synth.pdf
12:41:50LearInformation about the chips used, and some more...
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12:51:54*amiconn wonders why they're all copying the mistakes from each other
12:52:29amiconnThe sdram chip is clearly 256Mbit == 32MB, not 256MB
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12:55:17n1s"This data might be directly stored in the Samsung SOC. We do not have the detailed datasheet of this chip yet"
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12:55:41*n1s wonders when they'll get it...
12:59:11jhMikeSPaulJam: on and off no thanks to my ISP :)
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13:02:14markunjhMikeS: did you see that PaulJam is having problems with mpegplayer skipping too many frames?
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13:02:56jhMikeSmarkun: no...with what? my experience is that it tends to skip too few when it needs to more.
13:03:40markuncheck the logs, about 1 hour and 15 minutes ago
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13:06:31*jhMikeS needs someone to check _with OF_ the sanyo chip pin 31 and see if a clock signal is present...if they have an e200 conveniently setup for that
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13:10:53*jhMikeS knows he'll have to solder a probe to the darn thing :P
13:13:19jhMikeSPaulJam: BTW, it does play frames early if it's been late and plays frames at least every 1/2 second if available. if it skipped a I or P frame, it must wait till the next I frame but it has to be really late. If you want good frame skipping on low-power CPUs, make sure you code plenty of B-frames in there as they can be skipped arbitrarily.
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13:23:41PaulJamjhMikeS: ok thanks, i'll have a look at the mencoder manpage to see how to get more b-frames. my current workaround was to force a keyframe every second.
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13:25:23jhMikeSPaulJam: That's ok to do but you might only have I (key) and P.
13:25:48pixelmaLear: pity the decreases/increases of binary size due to your commit isn't the other way round...
13:26:23LearFor rombox, you mean?
13:26:43crashdi can't imagine it's great, but has anyone done battery tests on rockbox on the ipod 5g playing vids
13:26:44preglownever trust anyway who thinks the plural of scenario if scenarii
13:26:46preglowis
13:27:47PaulJamjhMikeS: do you know how to check the file? virtualdub gives me an error. propably because the file is encoded at 12 fps.
13:27:59pixelmaLear: in general - just wondering why the differences are this great
13:28:17pixelmaerr... big
13:28:39preglowthese people plan all of kind of fancy-ass stuff like monitoring cpu heat and the lcd bus
13:28:45preglowwhy don't they just bloody dump the flash contents?
13:29:28jhMikeSPaulJam: not offhand except for adding a dump to mpegplayer during playback :\
13:31:14LearAt least for the player, the bookmark display code was much smaller and simpler. Don't really understand why the code is bigger for the rest of the archoses...
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13:37:30pixelmaBagder: in the delta table the data for the rec build is missing - looks like it has something to do with the new build server
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13:42:05emacsenHey, anyone here written a Rockbox plugin?
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13:55:20n1sLear: I think you forgot to change LANG_BOOKMARK_SELECT_INDEX_TEXT to VOICE_BOOKMARK_SELECT_INDEX_TEXT and the same for _TIME in bookmark.c because you marked these strings as deprecated...
13:55:46desowinemacsen: if you need help ask particular question
13:55:57PaulJamjhMikeS: thank you, the trick with the b-frames seemed to have worked.
13:56:45emacsendesowin, well I'm thinking of what it would take to write something that would be a lot like the current UI but more focused on podcasts
13:57:16emacsenso it'd offer the ability to delete things you've heard, and automatically bookmark and return to media you break out of
13:57:51Learn1s: It appears so, yes. Thanks for noticing.
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14:18:59sneakumsemacsen: rockbox can automatically save bookmarks already, i believe
14:20:42amiconnLear: Strange deltas... saving space on coldfire, almost indifferent on arm, and increasing size on SH (which has the most compact code in general)
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14:23:32amiconnMaybe it has something to do with the number of parameters to functions.
14:24:09amiconnOn the SH (and also on arm) it pays off to have at max 4 parameters, as then those archs can use regparms
14:24:22amiconnDidn't check out the code yet...
14:25:17*amiconn remembers the 700+ bytes on SH due to Slasheri's endianess stuff, which was mostly because of exceeding 4 parameters for a number of functions
14:31:15LearNot many (new) calls to > 4 param functions, so it ought to be something different...
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14:53:56AceNikhey uys have you noticied this , "keep crossfade on to always, fade-out to "12", fade mode "mix", fade-in "0" ", then try playing a track & change 3 tracks or so continous, this causes some sounds to come , & music playback is changed to these noises, it hurts, then only becomes fine by shutting down player & restarting
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14:54:45n1sAceNik: does it happend every time you try it?
14:55:51AceNikeverytime , i figure whenever the processor is occupied fully , it occurs , cause this happens even when the playr starts & the disk is being read , & if you press the play button then try changing tracks , it occurs
14:55:59AceNikshould i pot a bug report
14:56:07AceNikif yes under what topic?
14:56:36n1sAceNik: I think there's one but maybe you should add a description of how to reproduce it...
14:57:49AceNikwell im checking the bgs by searching crossfade , playback cant find any
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14:58:28n1sAceNik: I din't find any either so please post a new bug with as much details as possible
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15:01:27AceNikk ill do that
15:01:32AceNikwait 2 minutes
15:01:56AceNiknls: what player do you use
15:02:04n1sAceNik: h300
15:02:33AceNiknls:how do i be sure this will occur on other players,since if it is a CPU issue this wont reproduce, i have a H10 [20GB]
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15:03:23n1swell, you can't if nobody tests on othe rdevices, but I can test for you
15:03:42AceNikcan you try it now ont he H300
15:04:02AceNikso if i am posting a bug shoul i limit it to the H10 or keep it open
15:08:22n1sAceNik: I can't reproduce it on my player, set it to h10 for now, we can change that if we find out that it affects other targets
15:08:41AceNikok thanks for testing making a bug
15:08:57AceNikadressign it to playback with crossfade
15:09:13n1sbtw if i change tracks fast enough so that it would be crossfading 3 tracks at the same time I get a regular skip without fade
15:10:58AceNikwell thats what i expected , since the h300 is better tuned with the processor
15:11:20AceNikdo you have features like directory cache, load DB to ram also on?
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15:12:33AceNikNLS:forget this for the monet im posting a bug, but i had a suggestion for a way to save battery on rockbox
15:13:11n1sAceNik: nope, no dircache, no database
15:13:44AceNikwell gimme 2 minutes, just making the bug list , should i attach my settings file there, just incase ppl wnat to use that
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15:14:23n1sAceNik: yes that is a good idea
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15:30:13AceNiknls try this: crossfade: always
15:30:13AceNikcrossfade fade in delay: 0
15:30:13AceNikcrossfade fade out delay: 0
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15:30:13AceNikcrossfade fade in duration: 0
15:30:13AceNikcrossfade fade out duration: 12
15:30:15AceNikcrossfade fade out mode: mix
15:31:09n1sAceNik: those are the exact settings I tested with before
15:31:46AceNiknls: ok i thought i said fade out delay , cause thats 0, duration is 12
15:33:11AceNiknls: FS #7214 - Playback With Crossfade & Startup Glitchy
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15:35:40n1sAceNik: looks good, let's hope someone takes a look at it and finds a solution
15:36:13AceNikn1s:yup lets hope that soon
15:36:49AceNik n1s: also whoever is intereste din this , i have thought of a way for the battery life to somewhat improve on rockbox
15:38:32AceNikN1s: you there
15:38:44n1syep, what's your idea
15:38:55DomonokyAceNik: battery life is only bad on ipods and similar players..
15:39:14n1sYeah but it's always good to improve it
15:40:53AceNikwell you know we have load DB to ram, Dircache,update DB tracks, & other stuff that happens on startup each time
15:41:23AceNikso when these thin occur they do take 2 minutes to happen & finish & let the player settle down
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15:41:57AceNikso i was thinkin if rockbox could have 2 modes in startup
15:43:19AceNikwhere the first one is where these functions do take place to do the need ful , but once they stored their data to be used by the player somewhere , the second time when a user shuts down the player it goes into a semi state n starts in 2 seconds, & ready with the needed data
15:43:34AceNikso it doesn't calculate the stuff neede again
15:44:20n1sAceNik: ah, you want a sleep mode
15:44:22AceNik& thus if a user feels he has updated his music collection or added any new data on his DAP he can select that his next startup be the original one , & things can be refreshed aain
15:44:38AceNikkind of a sleep mode if you call it that way
15:45:06DomonokyAceNik: disable auto-update of the db and update manually, that does the same :-)
15:45:15n1sAceNik: dircache however has to be updated whenever the disk has been changed...
15:46:11AceNikDomonoky:n1s: both of these functions are just a part of the data processed, the bootloader itself does a lot of calulation n processing
15:46:51AceNiki was thinking if this data could be stored in ome place n if a state be created by the player to start up at
15:46:53DomonokyAceNik: thats not true.. the bootloader does onyl minimal initalisation..
15:47:00n1sAceNik: I agree, a sleep mode could be useful to lot's of people
15:47:24n1sDomonoky: but on many of the newer targets startup is pretty slow
15:47:34AceNikDomonoky: well think of it does you player start in exactly 1 second
15:47:56AceNikDomonoky: if no it does some processing which is also consuming battery
15:47:56CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
15:47:56*n1s whishes someone made rombox for h300...
15:48:00Domonokyon most players the OF loader tkaes the most time..
15:48:17AceNikDomonoky: i mean this mostly also for the ipods n h10 which suffer with poor battery
15:48:35AceNikDomonoky: Of is no where associated with this
15:48:37DomonokyAceNik: a sleep mode would waste battery, not save..
15:49:08DomonokyAceNik: the OF loader normally loads the rockbox loader, whitch in turn loads rockbox ( on most players)
15:50:27Domonokyand if you flash a h1x0 or an archos player, it will start in 1-2 secondes.. :-)
15:50:49AceNikDomonoky: im refering to mostly the ipods n irivers
15:50:55PaulJamAceNik: afaik what you suggest is already the case where it is possible. for example on h100 when the firmware is in flash the dircache doesn't get rescanned if no usbconnection was established, but when there is still the possibility to boot the OF and modify files there then has to rescan the files on every boot (because it isn't aware if the OF was started).
15:51:01n1sDomonoky: yeah but this is a pretty frequently requested thing and would get around both slow of loaders and dircache scanning takin time, I do however agree that it will not likely save battery unless users power on and off their players frequently
15:52:29Domonokyi dont think the rockbox people would like a sleep mode, it wastes battery, better optimise the loading process, and/ or figure out to how to flash a firmware in those players
15:52:59AceNikPaulJam: i know thats the dircache works on all players, but the question here is can we get around to making this happen where the user selects the mode to start up in ,
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15:53:50AceNikDomonoky: ok then lets make the start up smarter,
15:54:08AceNikbut for that all the other processes like dircache, DB need to be made smarter
15:54:13n1sDomonoky: I agree that that should be the long-term goal but we are pretty far away on anything except coldfire targets and the old archoses
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15:55:06DomonokyAceNik: dircache can load the cache from harddisk, but it only does it, when it can be shure that no modification of the filesystem could happen.. (so only possible on h1x0 flashed with rockbox)
15:55:25AceNiklike once the player shut, allt he data calculated with dircache , DB loaded to RAM everythin is lost , can we make it possible to preserve it & then reuset hat data itslef, so that even if the Dircache is off, that same data is used without being processed again
15:55:46Domonokyit would be very bad if the dircache differs form the actual harddisk content..
15:55:57n1sAceNik: well it needs to be sure that it is correct
15:56:24n1sbut with rombox we get around these issues in a nice way
15:56:38Domonokya wrong dircache could give dataloss, so you have to be very shure, its correct ..
15:56:44justthisguyhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_can_I_charge_the_iPod_via_US <−− I'm using an ipd 2g mini, and this doesn't seem to work. Can anyone help? I'm using rockbox 13373-070512
15:56:52PaulJamAceNik: but if the user has the choice of the startup mode, what would happen if he accidently starts in the i_haven't_modified_files-mode when he has actually modified files?
15:56:59AceNikDomonoky: it also happens on the H10, when the usb is made it updates, but the point here is can it be sure of reusing the data is calculated earlier, thats y i suggested a sleep mode, where if data has been added the player knows a usb was amde & it starts up normal , otherwise it starts up int he state it was closed in
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15:57:13Domonokynls: its not rombox, witch solves this, its the flashing of rockbox..
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15:57:32AceNik n1s: rombox is going obslique as discussed at devcon2007
15:57:51n1sDomonoky: yeah, right, confused flashed rockbox with rombox, sorry
15:58:03AceNikjustthisguy: keep the menu button pressed while inserting usb
15:58:08n1sAceNik: well, rombox IS available for h100
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15:58:15justthisguyAceNik: I am.
15:58:34Domonokyrombox, is the rockbox variant where rockbox is executed directly from flash.. not copyed to ram.. ( to save ram)
15:59:10DomonokyAceNik: you cant be shure if the user didnt start the OF firmware.. and the the dircache would be corrupt..
15:59:22AceNikanyone know formatting codes i by mistake have underline coming in my text
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16:00:34AceNikwell thats y im saying there be 2 modes where the user decides what to start with , once he starts his player & shuts it ,before shuting down he decides whether he would like a normalstartup
16:00:58webguest12Hey, I need help. Help of any kind will be greatly appreaciated. Why has the Rockbox interface changed? And why when I installed the new Rockbox the WPS theme is set to the default black and white one?
16:01:24AceNik& i also suggest if all the data requires the the rockbox firmweare be there somewhr ina temporary place on the disk which it uses to exeute in the sleep mode
16:01:35Slasherirombox/"rambox" for iriver does exactly that.. it preserves dircache&tagcache (hibernates them on disk)
16:01:43justthisguyanyone?
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16:02:35AceNikSlasheri: but the point is integration into the rockbox itself , whichneeds to be possible , the iriver h10 Of has it , can we learn from those codes
16:02:36Domonokywebguest12: perhaps you deleted your config ? or you updatede from a very old build..
16:03:09webguest12but.. i just downloaded the theme.
16:03:19DomonokyAceNik: i dont think the work needed for a sleep mode, would be worth it, but if you like you could code it of course :-)
16:03:20stripwaxwebguest12 : - or maybe the WPS theme you're using no longer works with the latest rockbox.
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16:03:39stripwaxwebguest12 : - does that WPS work on the simulator?
16:03:53webguest12so erm.. how do i identify which themes are compatible with the latest rockbox?
16:03:59PaulJamwebguest12: the new wps parser is more strict concerning syntax errors in the wps and loads the default one if there is an error
16:04:19AceNik webguest12:during recent changes to the WPS parser all the wps's have beeen affected so please open up the .wps files in an editor & if you c a space between any conditionals omit it , like it should be %?ia<> & not %?ia <>
16:04:30stripwaxwebguest12 : - try them ;-)
16:04:47stripwaxif you run the simulator, it should output error messages if the wps doesn't parse
16:04:54AceNik webguest12:omit spaces in the conditionals
16:04:55webguest12oh
16:05:08stripwaxwebguest12 : - which WPS, could you point us to it?
16:05:09SlasheriAceNik: correct bootloader is the key that it can detect changes to the disk, there is no magic
16:05:21AceNikDomonoky: if i was of that brilliance in programming a code i would have left a patch already
16:05:31webguest12thanks for the help. i'll go try that now
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16:06:35AceNikSlasheri:the thing is not only the dircache , its even the bootloader processing , if there could be a state where it has already gained access to the disk & saved all it processed data somewhere & starts up from there again
16:06:37stripwaxNico_P did you get any stats on how much more efficient the tokenised wps display code is compared to the old code?
16:06:53Nico_Pstripwax: do, I didn't
16:06:57Nico_Perr, no
16:07:17stripwaxok
16:08:03DomonokyAceNik: i dont think you took a look at the bootloader, thats wrong, the bootloader is normaly very minimal..
16:08:25PaulJambtw, is there a compiled windows binary of the standalone checkwps tool available somewhere?
16:10:42Nico_PPaulJam: there is one as a patch
16:11:14Nico_PFS #7179
16:11:35Nico_Pnot sure it works under windows though, but I don't see a resaon why it shouldn't
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16:12:23webguest12I omitted all the spaces and the problem still persists. Any other way to solve the problem?
16:12:35PaulJamyes, i know. but it would be nice if there would be a compiled version available, so people who experience problems with their wps can use it without learning how to compile.
16:12:46Nico_Pwebguest12: try the WPS in the sim
16:12:49AceNikwebguest12: which theme is it ?
16:12:54webguest12black glass
16:12:56AceNiksend me the file if you wnat
16:13:05Nico_Pwebguest12: on an SVN build ?
16:13:21webguest12err, whats that? =x
16:13:30stripwaxwebgues12 - doesn't black glass require a patched build?
16:13:42webguest12by chris banes
16:13:42Nico_PPaulJam: sorry, I read your question too quickly... there's no windows compiled version that I know of
16:13:56stripwaxwebguest12 : - we don't really support patched builds...
16:14:05stripwaxNico_P - lemme build one for ya
16:14:21Nico_Pstripwax: it's for PaulJam :)
16:14:37stripwax^ to PaulJam too :)
16:14:40webguest12so, err.. what can i do now?
16:14:55Nico_PI'm on linux and I can compile ;)
16:15:16stripwaxwebguest12 - ask chris banes why that wps doesn't work?
16:15:34stripwaxwebguest12 - (or ask in the thread for the senab build)
16:15:38Nico_Pwebguest12: other suggestion : fiund a WPS that works
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16:15:57PaulJamstripwax: don't need it myself.
16:15:58Nico_Pwebguest12: but another thing you can check is that there are no album art tags
16:16:17Nico_Pwebguest12: unless you're using an unofficial build that supports album art
16:16:25webguest12i dont even have album art.
16:16:30stripwaxNico_P - senab build supports album art btw..
16:16:50Nico_Pwebguest12: that's not the point... does the WPS have it ? does the build have it ?
16:16:55webguest12so, erm. anyone here knows any problem-free rockbox theme?
16:16:59stripwaxwebgues12 - could you point us to the wps you're using
16:17:08webguest12i dont think so
16:17:14stripwaxwebguest12 - the wps gallery on the rockbox wiki should contain wps that work
16:17:28stripwaxwebguest12 - where did you download black glass from? just tell us ..
16:17:30webguest12ok
16:17:33webguest12thanks for the help all
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16:18:16justthisguystrange. If I plug the cable into the ipod first, and then into the computer, it seems to work, but not the other way round. $B"L(B.$B"L(B
16:19:03*stripwax is confused, but oh well
16:21:09stripwaxwhy can the iriver port power off the hdd but the ipod port can't? is it just that we don't know how to do that yet?
16:23:27justthisguystripwax: probably, it'll just be different hardware and stuff
16:23:41justthisguyanyway, I thought I saw an option for harddisk spindown
16:23:45webguest12finally, the WPS works! THANKS GUYS.
16:24:11stripwaxwebguest12 - what did you need to do to get it to work.
16:24:27webguest12i realised that the album art version needed a patched build
16:24:29justthisguyyeah. Is spindown not the same thing as poweroff?
16:24:37webguest12i used the non album art version and it worked. (:
16:24:44stripwaxwebguest12 - yep, makes sense :-D
16:24:52webguest12lol =D
16:24:58stripwaxalthough if you're using chris banes build it already has album art o_O?
16:25:25stripwaxjustthisguy - no, spindown is just 'standby' and the hdd still draws power, poweroff is 'off'
16:25:34justthisguyok
16:26:13webguest12erm, another question. besides the database, how is the updated rockbox better than the previous version?
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16:26:29stripwaxwebguest12 - depends when your previous version was? :-)
16:26:53PaulJamwebguest12: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
16:27:11webguest12oh. thanks. that makes things so much easier :D
16:27:24stripwaxPaulJam - oh, nice link - I never new about that
16:30:05webguest12gee, rockbox sure has changed alot. unlike ipodlinux, which hardly changes. :/
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16:41:36stripwaxwww.beermex.com/checkwps.exe
16:41:53stripwaxit's a cygwin build so might need cygwin1.dll
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16:49:33stripwaxPaulJam ^ - someone wanted that?
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16:57:30jac0bI am trying to build a simulator but it looks like the fmradio patch for the sansa is giving a error
16:57:47jac0bdoes anyone have a workaround
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17:03:58JdGordonhavnt had time
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17:06:40PaulJamhmm, strange. the checkwps tool doesn't seem to work correctly. the only line it complained about was "%?xc<%xdG|>" after i removed it it showed "WPS parsed OK" even thougt the wps still contains scrolling margins and album art tags.
17:07:23webguest92hey guys
17:07:53Nico_PPaulJam: what does the sim say on this WPS ?
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17:12:51PaulJamNico_P: i don't know, i'm currently on windows and the uisim for windows doesn't output anything on the console.
17:13:01Nico_Pah
17:13:37Nico_Pif the checkwps tool was compiled from a patched build, it would explain why it doesn't complain about scrolling margins and AA
17:14:15Nico_Pother than that I don't know... it's compiled from the WPS source code, so it should behave exactly like the sim
17:14:24VPN-UserI downloaded a recet nightly build a few days ago for my recorder v1. There battery charging bug still has not been solved yet?
17:14:27VPN-Userwtf
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17:15:42PaulJamNico_P: i used the binary that stripwax posted earlier. i'll build one later myself from a clean source and test.
17:16:19VPN-UserMy recorder charges for about ten minutes
17:16:26VPN-Userthen it changes to trickle charge
17:16:44VPN-Userfrom 5% to 60% is only a matter of 2-3 minutes
17:17:04VPN-Userruntime from 100% down is only about an hour
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17:17:23VPN-UserI remember times of over 15h of playtime with stock firmware...
17:20:00VPN-UserDoes no one else has this problem?!?
17:20:10jac0bI am getting a error while the sim is building for the sansa
17:20:13jac0bfmradio.c: In function `tuner_init':
17:20:13jac0bfmradio.c:82: error: parse error at end of input
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17:25:54VPN-UserWould be ROLOing the stock firmware solve the charge problem?
17:26:45VPN-UserJust downloaded v1.27d stock firmware from archos.com
17:29:42VPN-User100 ppl in here and no one knows anything about it?
17:30:10VPN-Userdamn
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19:18:16aerachHi i've just updated rockbox on my ipod 5g 30gb and now whenever I try to play a file it says data abort. I was wondering if anyone can help?
19:18:59PaulJamaerach: i think this happens with an outdated bootloader.
19:19:59aerachThanks I'll give that a go
19:20:46PaulJamNico_P: i have now built the checkwps tool from a clean source and now it works as expected. so it seems that the previously posted one was built with album art and margins.
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19:26:54Nico_PPaulJam: nice to hear :)
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19:29:55stripwaxPaulJam - I built it too, did mine not work for you?
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19:30:40stripwaxah, right, I see what you mean. My local build had both those patches
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19:50:50PaulJamTheGooman: you shouldn't do such things in the chat window.
19:51:02TheGoomanI eralized
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19:51:13TheGoomanoops ^.^;;
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20:06:39PaulJamlittle question about the bookmark feature. whhen i create a bookmark in the h300 uisim it shows a splash with "Bookmark Failed!" but the bookmark appears in the recent bookmarks menu. why does it show that it failed?
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20:07:27JerryLangecan i delete everything off my ipod? (ie: calanders, contacts, ipod_control and the notes folders?
20:07:28preglowbecause the bookmark code is old and grumpy
20:07:33preglowJerryLange: sure
20:07:38preglowJerryLange: as long as you only want to use rockbox
20:07:54PaulJamhmm, now the sim crashed when i selected a bookmark
20:07:54JerryLangeyes
20:08:04preglowJerryLange: apple os will recreate it if it doesn't exist anyway, afaik
20:09:03JerryLangealright
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20:10:53JerryLangei am guessing to run the ipod patcher you have to have the root of the drive?
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20:11:49JerryLangehave it on the root of the drive*
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20:15:43JerryLangeso all you do is extract the .rockbox folder and then run the botloader? this is how it seems in the manual.
20:17:46JerryLangeis this the bootloader i use to install to the 80gb? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ipodpatcher.exe
20:18:32n1sJerryLange: yes
20:19:00n1sthat will install the bootloader, and you need to have admin rights to install it
20:19:06JerryLangeok i was kinda worried because the bootloader window took awhile. didnt know how long it would take
20:19:18JerryLangeyeah im the only one on this computer.
20:19:34n1sit has to do some moving of data on the ipod
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20:20:41JerryLangenow all i have to do is install fonts and it should be running fine. i already copied the .rockbox folder
20:21:52n1syes, just unzip the fonts as you did with the rockbox.zip so they end up in a folder called fonts in the .rockbox folder
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20:22:55n1sPaulJam: Lear committed a major overhaul of the bookmark ui today, might that be the cause?
20:22:55JerryLangethen tell the computer to disconnect the ipod and unhook it and it will run? wow this was easier then i thought.
20:23:26n1sJerryLange: yes, also you might need to hold down menu+select to reset it
20:23:41PaulJamnls: yes i know. that's why i was trying it out.
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20:24:04use1ess_hi, I added some albums on iTunes and they don't appear on the rockbox. Is there any way I could scan my files again?
20:24:10JerryLangeis select play/pause button?
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20:26:12n1sJerryLange: no, select is the one in the middle, please take a look in our fine manual
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20:27:18JerryLangeok thank you
20:28:10use1ess_Anyone? :)
20:28:21PaulJamoh, i'm silly. the bookmark failed message was propably because my music is on a read-only ntfs partition.
20:29:52PaulJamuse1ess_: tried "update now" in the database menu?
20:36:21use1ess_well yaeh,
20:36:23use1ess_*yeah
20:36:27use1ess_still doesn't show up, though.
20:36:50n1suse1ess_: are they drm encrypted?
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20:39:36use1ess_n1s: Not that I know of.
20:40:03use1ess_in fact, after updating again −− it now detects the new albums,
20:40:16use1ess_but kind of got rid of 50% of the other files I've had there.
20:41:01*use1ess_ frowns.
20:41:52TheGoomanHey, I'm trying to use a sim to debug a WPS but I can't get the debug option to function. I'm using Win XP so I goto the appropriate dir in cmd and type "rockboxui.exe −−debugwps" and am only given a new command line
20:42:30use1ess_there, another update and now it's okay. :)
20:42:37use1ess_anyone has a clue why it's like that, though?
20:42:52n1sTheGooman: does it work if you run it without switches?
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20:43:49TheGoomann1s: Yes. Also, if I run it with −−background it also performs as it should (if that's of any significance).
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20:44:45n1sTheGooman: hmm, it works fine on linux here...
20:46:01PaulJamunfortunately the uisim on windows doesn't have console output.
20:46:26TheGoomanMeaning?
20:47:05PaulJamthe −−debugwps option has no effect
20:48:02TheGoomanAhh...well that would explain it. Any way around this?
20:50:15TheGoomanOr perhaps another way to check a WPS?
20:51:02n1sTheGooman: ther's this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7179
20:53:48TheGoomanAlright, thanks. I'm thinking, though, I'm using a patched build; How would this factor into the use of this tool?
20:55:43n1sTheGooman: if the patches affect the wps in any way you will have to build the tool with the patches included but somone experienced problems earlier when using patched sources and building the tool
20:56:56stripwaxTheGooman - which patches are you using? www.beermex.com/checkwps.exe has the scrollmargins and albumart patches built in
20:58:33TheGoomanstripwax: Ah, thanks. I'm using Evilg's Fusion build.
20:58:56stripwaxWhat's the recommended way (in a plugin) to load a random .bmp file from (anywhere on) the drive .. ? Do I have to do the full directory traverse myself?
20:59:54TheGoomanstripwax: http://evilg.cleansoap.org/README-EvilG-Fusion-20070525.txt
20:59:57stripwaxI'm extending the sliding_puzzle game to pick an arbitrary bitmap. Works nicely so far, although I've hardcoded the bitmap path for now
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21:00:31TheGoomanOh, nice
21:01:08TheGoomann1s: I'm pretty much a novice at this...how would I go about building the tool?
21:01:38stripwaxTheGooman - hm, almost all of those patches will change the wps tags built into the checkwps tool. might be best to ask EvilG to provide a copy of the tool?
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21:03:17n1sTheGooman: yes asking EvilG for a patched tool is probably best, cause he knows about what changes he has made to the wps code.
21:04:56TheGoomanI agree. He has a sim for the build I'm using but, as mentioned before, the sims aren't working for me. For now, the WPS I'm looking to clean up don't make use of those patches so I could definately use the exe you (stripwax) provided. I would like to know, however, how to build the tool from the diff file given on the tracker
21:06:18n1sTheGooman: you would have to set up a development environmen, no need for a full blown one with crosscompilers unless you want to make your own builds of rockbox.
21:07:41n1sTheGooman: here is everything you need to know about rockbox dev environments http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
21:12:48TheGoomann1s: Mhmm. I've already got Cygwin so I'll have to do some more things to it then. Thanks, I appreciate it.
21:13:12n1sTheGooman: if you have cygwin all you need is gcc and svn
21:13:37TheGoomanYup
21:15:02TheGoomanstripwax: when I run the checkwps you linked to I get a flash of cmd and then nothing
21:15:29n1sTheGooman: it is a command line tool, run it from a command line :-)
21:15:32stripwaxTheGooman - you need to run it from the cmd line itself. run command prompt, then "checkwps yourfilename"
21:15:42TheGoomanAh, gotcha
21:21:34TheGoomanThanks all, c'ya later.
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21:31:43pie-chanhas anyone used the installer made by dataghost to install 5.5g ipods?
21:31:53pie-chanim trying to figure out how to add rockbox to it with that installer ~_~
21:32:19n1spie-chan: we only support the official tools and instructions here
21:35:12pie-chanfound it... Rockbox @ (hd0,1)/rockbox.ipod
21:36:13krazykithrm. how do you change the font color in a wps? i'm not seeing anything about it in the wps docs
21:37:23PaulJamkrazykit: in the display settings. are no separate colour settings for the wps.
21:38:02krazykitah, ok
21:41:42stripwaxPaulJam/krazykit - unless you use an (unofficial, unsupported) patch
21:42:35krazykiti think i saw that patch, but decided not to apply it to my build
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21:48:14stripwaxkrazykit - you can do it as part of a Theme of course.
21:48:29krazykityeah, i just found that bit
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22:09:50pie-chanokay~
22:09:54pie-channow that i have rockbox working~
22:10:14pie-chani take it rockbox can't mount the windows partiton? (iPodControl)?
22:10:34LloreanRockbox mounts the fat32 partition fine.
22:10:42LloreanIn fact, that's the only partition it works with.
22:10:58pie-chanLlorean! hi!
22:11:07pie-chanthanks for your work on the 80 gig ipods :)
22:11:50LloreanOh, I had nothing to do with those, I believe that was mostly Amiconn.
22:11:58pie-chanwhat i mean is... the folder that contains the music from the original ipod firmware isn't showing up
22:12:10pie-chani see calendars, contacts, notes
22:12:11LloreanSet the file view mode to show all files, rather than just music
22:12:15pie-chanomg.
22:12:18LloreanI believe the ipod_control folder is marked as hidden.
22:12:30LloreanAnd Rockbox respects hidden files and folders except in the "All" mode
22:12:58pie-chani see :>
22:13:06LloreanIn Music, Supported, or Playlists, the iPod_Control folder will be hidden.
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22:13:26LloreanYou may also want to read about the Database feature in the manual. If your music is in the iPod_Control folder, it's got crazy filenames, so Database might make it easier to use
22:13:28pie-chanhow about a way to make font bigger?
22:13:35pie-chanoh, i used to use rockbox a long time ago :P
22:13:44pie-chandid you guys fix the bugs in DB?
22:13:54LloreanJust browse fonts from the menus, and choose the font of your choice
22:14:03LloreanThe fonts pack is available from the Extras page at Rockbox.org
22:14:09pie-chan<3
22:14:45LloreanAs for "the bugs in the DB", I'm not sure which ones you refer to. Bugs come and go and occasionally come back. Heh.
22:15:04pie-chanyeah, well
22:15:06pie-chanthe main one i had was
22:15:14pie-chani had to remake the DB after sleeping or restarting, each time
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22:15:59LloreanDid you ever file a flyspray task about it?
22:16:17pie-chanwell, almost
22:16:25pie-chani was also going to take a look myself
22:16:36pie-chanbut my ipod was stolen shortly after
22:16:38pie-chankarma, i guess ~_~
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22:17:25pie-chanoff of memory, what was the way to connect the ipod through a cable?
22:17:29pie-chanhold menu while plugging in?
22:17:41pie-chanyeah, thats it ^-^
22:17:42LloreanHolding Menu prevents connection, so it charges instead
22:18:03pie-chanoh...
22:18:11pie-chanits the opposite for me (?)
22:18:17LloreanAre you using an official build?
22:18:24pie-chanactually, i think this is
22:18:25pie-chanevilg
22:19:03LloreanUnsupported builds often have a variety of changes.
22:19:09LloreanSometimes that even includes button mappings
22:19:49pie-chanhow do you disconnect after connecting the cable, Llorean
22:19:59pie-chanwithout just pulling the cable out
22:20:06pie-channo button combination on the ipod?
22:20:10pie-chanyou need to disconnect via windows, right?
22:20:29LloreanYes, tell windows to eject the device
22:22:09pie-chandoes rockbox support unicode?
22:22:30LloreanAs long as the font you choose does
22:22:39*pie-chan huggles rockbox
22:23:37markunpie-chan: any language in particular you are interested in?
22:24:43pie-chanjapanese
22:24:54pie-chanthe font size is good, but a little bigger would help
22:25:15pie-chanwell, russian would help too
22:25:20pie-chanbut i didn't rip the music with russian fonts
22:25:23pie-chanill rerip it
22:30:26preglowheh
22:30:32preglownot too many japanese bitmap fonts around
22:30:39pie-chanyeah, i know :P
22:30:41preglowbut if you do find one that you think is perfect, yes, we can use it
22:30:49preglowthanks to markun, rockbox does utf-8
22:30:51*pie-chan thinks
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22:39:40amiconnLlorean: Regarding the 80GB iPod, I just wrote the necessary code. Figuring out why the disk behaves strange was done by several others, including GodEater and LinusN
22:40:24amiconnThanks to devcon I got access to such an ipod, otherwise I couldn't have done it.
22:41:31Lloreanamiconn: Ah, I was only referring to the writing of the code that allows it to work, but yes, I should've been more clear.
22:41:50*pie-chan licks amiconn
22:42:21pie-chanyou made a lot of people happy, at least
22:43:17amiconnAt devcon we decided to do it in the ata driver (the simple solution, with some performance penalties as a drawback). The advantage is that it works now, and can be improved gradually by adjusting the fat and filesystem layer
22:43:38amiconnIn the end it might be possible to remove the sector caching again
22:43:40pie-chanwhat are the cons
22:43:45pie-chanslower or something?
22:45:26amiconnYes, in some cases. But it doesn't hit overall rockbox performance much
22:46:18amiconnLlorean: Once we worked out the basic idea, writing that code wasn't that much work, especially since the MMC driver has to do a similar thing
22:46:33pie-chanyay teamwork!
22:46:41pie-chanwhat are the plans for the future, amiconn?
22:46:49pie-chanalso, what is the video support for video ipods?
22:47:07LloreanSame as the rest of Rockbox. See the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki for full details
22:47:17*amiconn estimates the time for actually working on that code as roughly 5 hours. The rest was just testing, lots of testing
22:47:38pie-chanso it plays mpeg.
22:47:47Lloreanamiconn: Oh, this seemed like something you might have an opinion on: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7213
22:47:53Lloreanpie-chan: MPEG1/2, not MPEG4
22:48:09pie-chanoh :(
22:48:12pie-channo h264 for me then
22:48:25LloreanWe can't use the broadcom chip, so have to do all decoding on the main CPU
22:48:31LloreanFar, far, far too slow for h.264 on that screen
22:50:55amiconnLlorean: Looks a bit too simplistic to be safe (== not cause unwanted glitches)
22:51:46pie-chanLlorean, why is it not possible to use that chip?
22:51:51amiconnIt's not really worth the hassle; the slowdown from unaligned reads is minimal on all swcodec targets I made (or got) disk speed logs of
22:51:59LloreanAlright.
22:52:17amiconnBut with MoB we will most probably have to do something like that anyway
22:52:26pie-chanis it because only the apple firmware can use it?
22:52:28Lloreanamiconn: I just know that on the 5G, some people were claiming Rockbox seems to spend a very long time buffering, and was wondering if this could help improve that.
22:52:43amiconn(in a safe way, i.e. the data header will contain the correct data length
22:52:49Lloreanpie-chan: It's because there's no hardware documentation, so we don't know how to make it do anything but the very few things we have it doing already.
22:53:21pie-chanLlorean, we did it with the 5.5g ipods
22:53:27pie-chan:P
22:53:30amiconnLlorean: The logs from G5 show that read speed difference between aligned and unaligned is <5%
22:53:36Lloreanpie-chan: Did what with the 5.5G iPods?
22:53:40pie-changot them working
22:53:55LloreanYes, but that's not equivalent
22:54:01pie-chani know it's like playing with something in the dark
22:54:05LloreanNot the same, though
22:54:06pie-chanbut im sure with time and effort
22:54:07pie-chan:(
22:54:25amiconnThe very long buffering time has another cause: too much CPU load (enabling eq, crossfeed etc, with codecs already running near the limit)
22:54:50LloreanSo, dual core will probably help that a good deal?
22:55:18pie-chanoh
22:55:24Lloreanpie-chan: With the HD issues on the 5.5G, it was a case of them doing something that was strictly legal, but not "suggested" if I understand something. It was an unknown cause, but within known bounds.
22:55:24pie-chandoesnt apple's firmware have a good font
22:55:28pie-chanwith japanese/russian support?
22:55:36amiconnPriority scheduling gives more cpu to the codec in that case, in an effort to prevent skipping. All other threads suffer, which includes the playback thread which does the buffering
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22:59:17Soappie-chan: Even if Apple's font does, and even if you were able to extract it, you still have the copyright issues.
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23:00:37stripwaxHrm, if you own an ipod and have the apple firmware installed on it, and run rockbox on it, does having rockbox load the ipod font constitute a breach of copyright?
23:01:04Lloreanstripwax: Rockbox wouldn't be able to use the Apple font.
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23:01:48stripwaxLlorean - right - but not for copyright reasons
23:02:04LloreanWell, if copyright was the issue, it would be the user violating it if anyone.
23:03:43Bagderand hardly if they just used it on their own ipod
23:04:04LloreanIt's probably one of those gray areas.
23:05:40LloreanOne of those "If it came to prosecution, with the right lawyer you'd find out it was okay after spending a bunch of money, but the current letter of the law says 'you aren't licensed to use it in that way, so you can't'" or some such.
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23:10:00preglowwhat does copyright have to do with that?
23:10:04preglowwe're not copying it
23:10:10preglowwe're just using what is there
23:10:19stripwaxOff topic totally, is bmp_resize patch likely to make it to svn?
23:10:32stripwaxWould come in v handy for my updated sliding_puzzle game
23:10:48stripwaxAnd if not, what could I do to help get that patch committed
23:11:02stripwax^that^that bmpresize
23:11:19stripwaxbtw FS #5697
23:12:29LloreanOutside of Album Art and plugin-specific uses, does it offer anything else?
23:13:46stripwaxyou mean is it useful to the core? probably not, but I could see multiple plugins wanting to do something similar. Is there a prospect of a 'more fully featured' graphics api just for plugins? (e.g. scaling, rotating, translucency)
23:15:43LloreanHow much binary size does that patch add?
23:16:02midkayyes, it's certainly a possibility, we already have some "extended LCD functions" in the plugin library for triangle drawing etc.. i know someone already created a transparency patch as well.
23:16:12midkayit'd be nice to have such things available for plugin use at least.
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23:19:16stripwaxLlorean : - good question, I don't know. It adds at least one static rgb array of 1280 pixels.. the functional changes themselves are smallish. I'll try a build later on and see what impact is.
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23:23:13AlldogshipI'm back with my partition table problem with more details (iPod Vid 5.5gen 30GB).
23:23:34Alldogshipan I'm on a mac plus ubuntu
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23:36:43saratoga2preglow: I've got a fixed point question
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23:38:05saratoga3is this broken or does it do something i'm missing: http://pastebin.ca/512350
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23:44:17*Llorean wonders why people continually refer to the size of the 30 Gb, and such iPods as 30 Go
23:44:32amiconnThey're french..
23:45:27LloreanBut Go is supposed to technically differentiate between the marketing Gb and the binary Gb
23:45:36LloreanShouldn't Go be the one you explicitly don't use in regards to the iPods?
23:45:49Bagderyes
23:45:49*Llorean may misunderstand
23:45:56amiconn'o' stands for octet, i.e. 8 bits. They're trying to avoid the too much english-sounding word 'byte'
23:46:14amiconnIt has nothing to do with binary vs. decimal
23:47:45pie-chandoes anyone know of a program that can find any folder with a certain file type in it
23:47:49pie-chanand copy it to another location?
23:48:35LloreanAh, I was introduced to it as "Gigabyte is too ambiguous, Gigaoctet specifically means 2^30, whereas Gigabyte can mean 2^30 or 10^9", but I only had that one person's definition.
23:49:42BagderI was thinking about gibibyte
23:49:53amiconnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_%28computing%29
23:50:08LloreanBagder: It's entirely possible he was too.
23:51:26stripwaxGo and Mo are definitely French
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23:51:32amiconnThe archos Ondio firmware uses Mo even when set to german. Clearly a sign of its origin...
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23:52:46pie-chananybody?
23:53:03pie-chananyone know if i can have a program scan a bunch of folders for *.flac and copy them to the ipod?
23:53:12stripwaxpie-chan - ls? search? dir?
23:53:21stripwaxxcopy?
23:53:37pie-chanwindows, stripwax
23:53:41pie-chantrying to mark any folder with flac
23:53:47pie-chanand copy the whole thing to the ipod
23:53:59pie-chanthe whole thing, not just the flac files
23:54:13stripwaxsearch in windows explorer, dude
23:54:20pie-chanand i see the flac files
23:54:29pie-chanand their respective folders
23:54:37stripwaxyeah
23:54:39pie-chanbut i need the cue files and the album art too
23:54:42pie-chanand the folder structure
23:54:45amiconnSOunds like a task for a script
23:54:51pie-chan:(
23:55:05amiconnIn windows I'd use vbscript for such things
23:55:39LloreanIf you had your music all under a /Music/Artist/Album/Genre or even /Music/Format/Artist/Album/Genre folder structure, you wouldn't be in this problem today. :-P
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23:55:54pie-chanyeah Llorean
23:56:00pie-chanbut i don't sort by format :(
23:56:07pie-chani stick to the primative
23:56:20pie-chan/Album
23:56:20pie-chanXD
23:57:59SoapLlorean: if we're going to be pedantic, shouldn't it be "GB" not "Gb"?
23:58:14SoapByte, not bit?
23:58:41pie-chanomg
23:58:43pie-chanhe's right
23:58:47pie-chanB is byte, b is bit

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