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#rockbox log for 2007-05-30

00:00:09 Join Chimera_ [0] (n=ricky@cpe-72-181-71-159.houston.res.rr.com)
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00:01:10Chimera_hi all
00:02:01Chimera_does anyone have any experience "unbricking" a Sandisk Sansa?
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00:03:27 Quit petur ("zzzz")
00:03:35BagderChimera_: you read the wiki page?
00:04:06Chimera_Yes I have, the problem is that the Rockbox Bootloader will not read the original firm.
00:04:42linuxstbDid you install with sansapatcher/
00:04:43linuxstb?
00:04:56Chimera_yes
00:05:09Chimera_I updated today with the Sansa Update Util :/
00:05:20Chimera_(that was a bad idea)
00:05:48Bagderwhy is that a problem if you follow the unbrick wiki page?
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00:05:55linuxstbWhat happened then? I would just expect it to remove the Rockbox bootloader.
00:05:55Bagderit mentions recovery mode
00:06:10Chimera_can u remove the bootloader thru the recovery mode?
00:06:20Bagderagain, read the page
00:06:31Bagderyes it can recover completely
00:06:55Chimera_hmmmm, I will enter recovery mode then, and remove the rockbox loader
00:06:57Chimera_brb :D
00:07:39*linuxstb wonders what the Sansa Update Util did
00:08:13Chimera_Sansapatcher does not recognize the Mp3 player in Recovery
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00:08:58LloreanChimera_: You don't use Sansapatcher. Please read the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting page
00:09:12Buschelwill leave now, good night!
00:09:20Chimera_good night :D
00:09:25 Quit Buschel ()
00:09:50linuxstbChimera_: I still don't understand what the Sansa Update Util did to your sansa/
00:09:53*Bagder has no further comments on reading wiki pages
00:10:29stripwaxAnyone know if any of the iriver iFP patches linked no http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~tmal/rockbox/0410_patches/ made their way into the codebase (for either ifp or any other arm targets)?
00:11:28mpeccorinilinuxstb: I'm installing everything I need to compile the manual. the instructions say I need to copy some unicode support files to a folder in my Tex-path. Do you know where they are?
00:12:21bluebrothermpeccorini: what setup are you using?
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00:12:37Chimera_installing a mi4 file in Recovery only sends the player back to a reboot loop
00:12:41Chimera_:(
00:12:50Bagdermy god
00:13:13mpeccorinibluebrother: cygwin + tetext gives you an idea? I don't really know what I'm doing :p
00:13:18linuxstbmpeccorini: What instructions are you following?
00:13:26BagderChimera_: that is expected, yes
00:13:31mpeccorinihttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto
00:13:38bluebrotherI don't think there are detailed instructions for cygwin.
00:13:53mpeccoriniI hate it when you send people to read the manual, so I start there LOL
00:13:57linuxstbmpeccorini: That has a link to the unicode files - in the Linux section (referred to in the cygwin section)
00:14:08bluebrotheryou need tetex-unicode. Don't know if cygwin has this as a package
00:14:12mpeccoriniand by "you" I don't mean specifically you linuxstb :p
00:14:43linuxstbmpeccorini: I know you didn't :)
00:14:51linuxstbmpeccorini: I just send you to write the manual...
00:14:53mpeccorinibluebrother: I know, but the instructions say I need to copy some of those files to my Tex-path
00:15:02bluebrotheryes.
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00:15:03mpeccorinibluebrother: I don't know where is my Tex-path
00:15:30bluebrotherI guess it's /usr/share/texmf
00:15:32mpeccorinilinuxstb: LOL, you're right, that's even worst ;-)
00:15:43mpeccorinibluebrother: great, thanks, I'll try there
00:15:56mpeccorini*worse
00:15:57pixelmabluebrother, mpeccorini: yes it has, I put the files in the package there were cygwin complained when trying to compile - then I ran the "mktexslr" command and it worked
00:16:17bluebrotherthe following should work (assuming you have that path):
00:16:22bluebrothercreate a folder /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/unicode
00:16:31bluebrotherput the files from the unicode package in that folder
00:16:37bluebrotherthen run "texhash"
00:17:05mpeccorinithe instructions did say I might need to run mktexslr as pixelma suggests
00:17:31bluebrotherit might be a bit different on cygwin −− usually you run texhash when adding new package.
00:18:00pixelmaI wasn't able to get the tex4ht package running under cygwin though to be able to compile a html manual
00:18:02mpeccorinibluebrother: but those instructions are linux related
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00:18:18*bluebrother notices the instructions mpeccorini means
00:18:27bluebrothersorry, was reading the wrong page
00:18:35mpeccorini;-)
00:19:08bluebrotherbut the package for my linux box runs texhash only ;-)
00:19:34Chimera_So, any ideas?
00:19:45bluebrotherhehe: mktexlsr - create ls-R databases
00:19:59bluebrotherand the same description for texhash :D
00:20:14bluebrotherso I guess both should work
00:20:28Chimera_is there anyway to access the /System folder on the Sansa?
00:20:51mpeccorinibluebrother: Ok, I'll try and let you guys know. thanks
00:20:59linuxstbbluebrother: one is a symlink for the other on my computer...
00:21:10stripwaxdoes rockbox need to pay Thomson a license fee for the rockbox windows sim? http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/
00:21:34bluebrotherlinuxstb: same here ... didn't get that idea
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00:22:53robin0800stripwax, any chance of having alook at the album art patch and seeing if pearljam's assumptions are correct
00:23:07stripwaxrobin0800 : - ?
00:24:19stripwaxoh, right. yeah, sounds right
00:24:30stripwaxI got the same warning just now too :)
00:24:53Domonokystripwax: i dont think rockbox needs such a license, as the fee is per unit, and you already paid for your unit..
00:25:59stripwaxDomonoky - hm, that would make sense for the 'hardware products' coverage, but not the PC Software Applications (which would cover rockbox sim afaict)
00:26:20stripwaxWonder how Thomson/anyone get fees from linux distros
00:26:26Chimera_linuxstb: Do you think that the new Update changes the partitions?
00:27:15use1essif I give my iPod to a fix, can Apple tell a rockbox was ever installed on it?
00:27:20Domonokyhm, jeah the for the sim the fee is not payed, but the simulator is only for development :-)
00:27:50Domonokyand i dont know how linux etc handles this..
00:28:41stripwaxuse1ess - if it's still installed on the hard drive, then it's easy to tell :) If you took it off, and that includes the bootloader, then they won't know
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00:29:41Chimera_Is there a way to access the partition of a Sansa without booting?
00:29:47linuxstbChimera_: I'm still waiting for you to say what the Update program did to your sansa - i.e. what happened when you tried to use your Sansa after running it?
00:29:56Chimera_Oh sorry
00:30:08use1essstripwax: aight. think I've read that once you install the rockbox your warrenty is kind'a off.. but I was thinking about the bootloader thingy, how does it work when you choose to "uinstall it" from the ipodpatcher, does it like overwrite it? because a date must be logged in that case, no?
00:30:16robin0800Domonoky,if you can use itunes to restore the ipod before sending it back
00:31:06Chimera_I installed the Update using the Updater in vista, it installs and reboots, after that, the Screen turn White, and it reboots over and over.
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00:31:38Nosgothgood evening
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00:31:49linuxstbChimera_: So is the Rockbox bootloader still there?
00:32:14Chimera_linuxstb: i *reinstalled* it after, using recov. mode.
00:32:30Chimera_i can boot rockbox, but not Orig.
00:32:46linuxstbOK, then that's the mistake - that's not how you install the Rockbox bootloader.
00:33:22BagderChimera_: you need to put both the OF mi4 and the BL.rom file in recovery mode
00:33:31Bagderthe BL file being the bootloader
00:33:36Chimera_Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
00:33:51Bagderthat recovers it completely
00:33:58Chimera_thank you both
00:34:00LloreanNOT the Rockbox bootloader
00:34:01Chimera_so much :D
00:34:10Chimera_(all three of u)
00:34:21Chimera_which goes first ?
00:34:38linuxstbBagder: The SansaE200Unbrick page doesn't mention that.
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00:34:43Bagder1) start recovery 2) copy both files to the "disk". 3) reboot
00:34:53Bagderlinuxstb: I noticed that just now
00:35:09Chimera_The pages say only to copy mi4 files (but Im just commenting)
00:35:18Bagderyes
00:35:25Chimera_ok guys, ill try and let you all know how it goes.
00:35:29Bagderthat's because 99.9% of all users should only do that
00:35:58Bagderand really, you should only have to do that too...
00:36:27Bagderas rockbox doesn't interfere with the bootloader
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00:37:08Bagderdid you really put the original sansa mi4 file in recovery mode?
00:37:44*mpeccorini hates compiling the manual
00:38:15preglowmpeccorini: why?
00:38:20Chimera_ok guys, i put the Orig. Firm. mi4 (1.00.12) with BL_SD...etc.rom in recov. mode, and now its back to the reboot cycle
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00:38:47BagderChimera_: it boots rockbox?
00:39:00Chimera_it boots nothing, just reboots...
00:39:16mpeccorinipreglow: It's been very annoying to setup the environment and it takes forever to compile
00:39:29Bagdermpeccorini: that's cygwin for you... :-)
00:39:37stripwaxgnight
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00:39:44Chimera_bye
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00:39:53mpeccoriniBadger: I know :(
00:39:59BagderChimera_: and it says nothing on screen?
00:40:11Joelyhmm does anyone ever use the mingw compiler for their needed gnu based tools?
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00:40:20Joely(for windows)
00:40:35Bagdersure, I cross-compile some stuff for windows at times
00:40:47Chimera_it starts, shows Sandisk (whoosh), then about 5 seconds later, the screen fades white, and it occurs again
00:41:04Joelyno i meant budding devs....that still use windows ;)
00:41:10preglowmpeccorini: yeah, it's pretty fast on linux here
00:41:17BagderChimera_: and recovery mode still works?
00:41:23preglowJoely: sure, i do
00:41:38Chimera_Yes, thankfully
00:41:49Bagdervery strange
00:41:56Chimera_indeed
00:41:56*mpeccorini wishes he had a linux box
00:41:58bluebrothermpeccorini: about 20 seconds building the h100 manual here on native linux ... ;)
00:42:02BagderChimera_: did you mess with the partitions and/or format anything?
00:42:21bluebrothermay I suggest the vmware image? afaik this isn't much slower than native
00:42:25Chimera_earlier today i used e200tool in linux, but had no effect
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00:42:42mpeccoriniI see you're using the make-fun-of-the-poor-bastard-that-still-uses-windows method, thanks for the support
00:42:48mpeccoriniLOL
00:42:52Chimera_lol
00:43:02preglowwaht, vmware runs under windows
00:43:06Bagdermpeccorini: you're welcome, just ask if you need more ;-)
00:43:07mpeccorinisure
00:43:07Thundercloud_I never make fun of people for using windows.
00:43:10Thundercloud_There's just too many.
00:43:28preglowThundercloud_: if you use posters, you can reach many people at once with minimal effort
00:43:31bluebrotherusing windows is fun. You never know what's happening next *g*
00:43:40BagderChimera_: e200too won't be needed as long as recovery mode works
00:43:49Chimera_i see...
00:44:00preglow"YOU SUCK" on 4x2m cardboard, for example
00:44:06BagderChimera_: going one step further, you could try putting a file in recovery mode named 'sansa.fmt'
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00:44:19mpeccorinibluebrother: you do know what's going to happen, it'll get slower until it crashes
00:44:24BagderChimera_: it should cause a reformat
00:44:37bluebrotherwhat exactly crashed? Latex?
00:44:39mpeccoriniI have finally compiled the manual though
00:44:42Chimera_and the file is empty?
00:44:46preglowman, sandisk have really thought about recovery
00:44:52bluebrothercongratulations!
00:45:09mpeccorinino, I was just elaborating your "using windows is fun. You never know what's happening next *g*" comment
00:45:43Thundercloud_preglow: :D
00:45:52bluebrotherah. But seriously, windows crashed rarely for me when using it the last years.
00:46:06bluebrotherdumping windows in favor of NT was really a good move ;)
00:46:12BagderChimera_: anything, the extension is what matters
00:46:35Chimera_Ok, i will upload the blank file, and let you know.
00:47:07BagderChimera_: you'll probably need to do the mi4+BL.rom dance after the reformat
00:47:15mpeccoriniI know, I was just kidding, in fact it is so slow because I use a laptop with a 2 rpm max hdd LOL
00:47:34Chimera_Formatting ...
00:48:29bluebrother2 rpm? How good my laptop disk is a bit faster ;)
00:49:29mpeccorinithe good thing is: I have my first patch for the manual ready ;-)
00:49:38bluebrotherreally nice
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00:50:42bluebrotherin two weeks I should have some free time to give the manual some care ... :D
00:50:57bluebrotherthere is quite a lot that summed up on my todo list
00:51:23Bagdertime for bed
00:51:44Joelynight night Bagder ;)
00:51:49Chimera_gnight
00:51:55Chimera_thx alot for your help
00:52:02Chimera_(still does not work )
00:52:34mpeccorinignite Badger
00:53:19mpeccorinibluebrother: you are the only one in charge of the manual ?
00:54:01bluebrotherno. But I did some work a while ago
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00:55:22mpeccorinibluebrother: well, now that the PGN viewer patch is committed and the manual is (or will be) up to date, I can finally make chessbox write PGN files.
00:55:38mpeccoriniI hate beating GnuChess once every 1000 games and not having the history :p
00:56:05bluebrothergnu chess is too hard for me. I prefer Jewels or sudoku :)
00:56:23mpeccoriniLOL
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00:56:52bluebrotherbut I never was much of a chess player anyway
00:57:01Chimera_well guys, i formatted, loaded the original bootloader and firmware and still not luck, so i will take it to the store, and ask for another one.
00:57:12Chimera_no*
00:57:14 Quit ender` (" According to the FAA, the propeller blade didn't break off, it was just a case of "uncontained blade liberation."")
00:57:25preglowhaha
00:57:30preglowjust don't tell them you tried to put rockbox on it
00:57:39Chimera_yep, i sure wont
00:57:47preglowanyway
00:57:53Chimera_thx alot guys
00:57:53preglowall sansas have been able to be recovered so far, i think
00:57:59preglowso yours probably can too
00:58:05preglowgiven enough persistance
00:58:14preglowi don't have one, so can't help there
00:58:15Chimera_im sure it can, i will mess around with it more
00:58:37Chimera_should i dL a specific mi4 version?
00:58:39preglowthe thing has layers upon layers of recovery mechanisms
00:58:46preglowwouldn't know, never even touched a sansa
00:58:58Chimera_hmmmm
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01:00:00Joelyahh sorry i have a sansa...i can try to help you out in a sec
01:00:17Chimera_sure, im more than happy to explain
01:00:38Chimera_I had a good install of Rockbox, and the Original was fine
01:01:30Chimera_So, i updated with the Sandisk Updater Util, and it messed it all up, now it shows the logo at boot, followed by a white screen and it reboots ad infinitum
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01:02:44Joelyhmm link to the sandisk updater util?
01:03:16Chimera_00 games and not having the
01:03:17Chimera_+history :p
01:03:17Chimera_<bluebrother> gnu chess is too hard for me. I prefer Jewels or sudoku :)
01:03:17DBUGEnqueued KICK Chimera_
01:03:17Chimera_<mpeccorini> LOL
01:03:17Chimera_*** Signoff: XbooX ()
01:03:17***Alert Mode level 1
01:03:17Chimera_<bluebrother> but I never was much of a chess player anyway
01:03:19Chimera_> well guys, i formatted, loaded the original bootloader and firmware and
01:03:21Chimera_+still not luck, so i will take it to the store, and ask for another one.
01:03:23Chimera_> no*
01:03:25Chimera_*** Signoff: ender` (" According to the FAA, the propeller blade didn't break
01:03:27Chimera_+off, it was just a case of "uncontained blade liberation."")
01:03:29Chimera_<preglow> haha
01:03:31Chimera_<preglow> just don't tell them you tried to put rockbox on it
01:03:33Chimera_> yep, i sure wont
01:03:35Chimera_oops
01:03:37Chimera_http://mp3support.sandisk.com/downloads/SansaUpdaterInstall.exe
01:04:09CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:04:09*Domonoky slaps Chimera_ :-/
01:04:29*Chimera_ flys back in pain
01:05:26Chimera_Well, whatever you do, dont update your sansas :/
01:06:00Chimera_is there a link to a rockbox.mi4 file?
01:06:02Joelyof course i wont...but....i'm going to try some emulation magic!
01:06:22Chimera_:D
01:08:56Chimera_well, i just reinstalled part of rockbox using the rockbox.mi4 file :D
01:09:09Chimera_but i have no .rockbox dir :(
01:09:46Chimera_now i need to wait until rockbox has USB support :)
01:09:56bluebrother*grrr*. Manual build broken :(
01:10:11mpeccorinibluebrother: was that my fault?
01:10:16linuxstbChimera_: So you can put rockbox.mi4 on your Sansa, but not an original firmware?
01:10:26Chimera_yep, thats about right
01:10:33bluebrothermpeccorini: no.
01:10:41Chimera_unless im loading the wrong mi4's
01:10:55Chimera_its at daniel's site rite?
01:11:14bluebrotherit was a change from two days ago. Forgotten macro definition in a platform file
01:11:40mpeccorinibluebrother: ok
01:12:58bluebrotherbut I'm looking into your patch. Will go in after some code policing :)
01:13:18***Alert Mode OFF
01:14:46mpeccorinibluebrother: great, thanks
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01:56:14Chimera_SUCCESS!!!!
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02:28:40ivan`can rockbox navigate an m3u as a subdirectory?
02:28:56ivan`i'm trying to figure out a way to play the good tracks from an album easily
02:29:05ivan`from pre-existing ratings
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02:32:58Nico_Pivan`: no, it can't
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02:50:08jac0bon the sansa the bookmark feature is not working for me
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02:50:30jac0bisn't the bookamrk feature in the svn now?
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02:54:13Joelyhey jac0b, did you get that patch working that you were working on last night?
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03:07:19scorchekkurbjun: ping
03:07:31kkurbjunscorche, what's up?
03:08:31flpwchAm I the only person that feels the need to change the background on their skin most every day?
03:09:34flpwchI guess thats just me
03:09:36flpwch<.<
03:09:38ivan`i use white on black, chicago font, standard interface
03:09:44ivan`i forget that my iaudio is color sometimes
03:10:18flpwchI'm on my Gigabeat, and I always go greyscale.
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03:10:43flpwchThe battery, sound, and playtime bars are color, so i figure i don't need more.
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03:18:32jac0bjoely: yeah it worked
03:19:00jac0bI see someone uploaded a updated patch for it also
03:19:21jac0bon filespray
03:20:29jac0bjoely: are you having a problem with the bookmark feature on the current and last svn
03:21:32flpwchjac0b: joely isn't in this channel, so you know.
03:21:44jac0boh ok
03:22:22jac0bdo I still have to use the patch for the bookmark feature?
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03:22:48flpwchI have no idea what player you are using, i came on here during the middle of the conversation.
03:22:59jac0bthe sansa
03:23:25flpwchHonestly, I don't know, but, from experience, it can't hurt.
03:23:37jac0bI see the bookamark on there but when I select "Create Bookmark" nothing happenes
03:23:52flpwchYeah, you probably need the patch, then.
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03:24:07jac0bI think the bookmark is in the svn now
03:24:17jac0bso I think the patch is not needed
03:24:21flpwchOk.
03:24:27jac0bbut I will try it out
03:24:43flpwchIts just that I haven't been keeping up with the sansa, I've been working on making my buttons flip on my gigabeat when i watch video
03:24:47Alldogshipsmall trouble, wps files aren't working, probably an error at installing them
03:25:18flpwchAlldogship: default wps working?
03:25:41Alldogshipflpwch: default, yes. new, no
03:25:46flpwchhmmm
03:25:55flpwchtry recopying the files.
03:26:16flpwchI had that problem yesterday on my gigabeat
03:27:01Alldogshipflpwch: did it many times with a few themes and wps, even the one I'm trying to do
03:27:20flpwchhmm, so only the default is working?
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03:28:38Alldogshipbackdrops goes in backdrops, theme in theme, .wps in wps folder but the folder with picts goes where (put in wps folder)
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03:29:01flpwchhm
03:29:05flpwchi think you are missing another bmp
03:29:20flpwchlet me wire up my giga to my computer
03:29:21Alldogship... wait, trying the emulator
03:29:28flpwchk
03:29:45Tim_Mitchellany gigabeat f users here? my brand new rockboxed f40 appears to have died - it had been working fine...
03:29:54AlldogshipWe open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/frostBox Normal.wps'
03:29:54AlldogshipFailed parsing on line 47 : Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional)
03:30:11flpwchTim_Mitchell: me
03:30:27flpwchAlldogship: same with the other ones?
03:30:46Tim_Mitchellflpwch: any known issues with rockbox killing gigabeats?
03:30:52flpwchTim_Mitchell: not that i know of
03:30:56flpwchare you getting the boot screen at all?
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03:31:30jac0bI tried the bookamrk patch but it just errored out
03:31:35Tim_Mitchellflpwch: nope, I can't get anything on the screen, even while just charging, my guess is the power circuit went
03:31:42jac0bbookmark*
03:31:45flpwchprobably.
03:32:02flpwchjac0b: i'd suggest asking someone a bit more knowledgeable than me, sorry
03:32:27flpwchTim_Mitchell: might it be the dock, or the battery at all?
03:32:40jac0bI am asking anyone in here that has any knowledge in the sansa build
03:32:50flpwchor are you not even showing when you plug to usb
03:33:09Tim_Mitchellflpwch: I've never used the dock and I've tried switching the battery switch to see if that'd help - no dice
03:33:17flpwchno usb either?
03:33:26Tim_Mitchellflpwch: no usb either
03:33:38flpwchif anything, it probably wasn't the rockbox.
03:33:43Tim_Mitchellflpwch: it sometimes will say I need to charge the battery but only rarely - usually is just stays blank
03:33:56flpwchyou could have a hard drive problem
03:34:10Tim_Mitchellflpwch: I agree, especially since I didn't have the unit on when it died
03:34:13flpwchmaybe some internal wiring went loose, i've had that.
03:34:25Tim_Mitchellflpwch: were you able to fix it?
03:34:29flpwchyeah
03:34:39flpwchi just had a little connection on some wire that got frayed
03:34:45flpwchno idea what it was
03:34:46Tim_Mitchellwhat was lose? I've already taken it apart
03:35:04flpwchit was behind the pad near the batter connection
03:35:10flpwchbattyer
03:35:30flpwchso i spun copper wire around it and then put electrical tape around that.
03:35:39flpwchand then i hot glued the case back together
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03:36:20Alldogshipfound an other theme that worked
03:36:27Alldogshipfault line: %ac%fc (%?fb<%fbkbps| >) | %?fs<%fsKB| >
03:36:37flpwchah
03:36:43Tim_Mitchellflpwch: hmm, I;ll need to take the front off to take a look
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03:37:04flpwchTim_Mitchell: yeah, but im horrible when it comes to "putting things together", my fix usually involves tape and hot glue.
03:37:24Tim_Mitchellflpwch: do you know of any usb enclosures that I can use with the drive - I have data on it too that I need to get off
03:37:52flpwchusb goes directly to the drive, if i recall.
03:37:57flpwchlike a gutted external hard drive.
03:38:02flpwchyou should be able just to deshell it
03:38:24flpwchbut you need an enclosure, i don't see many around that size.
03:38:53flpwchyou'd be best off with a decent sized project-box and cutting some holes in the case
03:39:32Tim_Mitchellflpwch: arg, I am hoping to get the data off and then send it back to toshiba under warranty... perhaps wishful thinking
03:39:47flpwchdon't you keep the data backed up?
03:40:04flpwchlike, on your own computer or external HD or disk?
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03:41:16flpwchdarned wiki
03:41:21flpwchi can't find the winff presets
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03:42:04f00fquick question with regards to the rockboxdev.sh script
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03:42:31f00fIt finished sucesfully, but I still get arm-elf-gcc not found
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03:42:40webguest12http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Using_WinFF_Windows_Linux
03:43:34flpwchwoot thanks webguest12
03:43:39Tim_Mitchellflpwch: i do keep my data backed up - but this is a set of files I got on the go when I wasn't at home - went I got home, it no longer worked
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03:44:00flpwchTim_Mitchell: hmmm, if at all necessary, there are companies that can do that.
03:44:41flpwchand recover it
03:44:46f00fanyone?
03:45:30flpwchTim_Mitchell: just hook the hard drive directly into your computer
03:46:20webguest12is anyone trying to make use of the broadcam chip thingy in the ipod video
03:46:23webguest12just wondering
03:46:43Tim_Mitchellflpwch: I'd love to, but I what connector fits this drive? - it's some connector I don't have
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03:47:04Tim_Mitchellflpwch: just looked at the front side of the unit, visually everything looks fine
03:47:24flpwchTim_Mitchell: since your giga is wacked out anyway, you can pull the adapter out on its own
03:47:32flpwchand use that, probably
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03:48:30AlldogshipI keep getting emulated codec failiures but I think I fixed the problem
03:49:23Alldogshipthe guy put | (or) at places for no reasons
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03:55:46f00fquick question with regards to the rockboxdev.sh script. It finished sucesfully, but I still get arm-elf-gcc not found
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03:57:34Lloreanf00f: You still need to manually add it to the path
03:57:58f00fok Thanks. Can't the script do that automatically though?
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03:59:03f00fLlorean, the binary doesn't show up anywhere. I do have a file called cc1 in /usr/local/arm-elf/libexec/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/
03:59:21LloreanYou should have an arm-elf-gcc binary
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04:00:15f00fhmm, any idea where the script puts it by default?
04:01:18krazykit/usr/local/arm-elf/bin
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04:13:03Chimera_linuxstb: Hi, just wanted to let you know that I got the Sansa working again Linux, so thx a lot!
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04:45:13saratogawoah windows asisned my sansa to a letter that already was mapped
04:45:20saratogano wonder UMS mode didn't work right
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06:04:31oblibI am looking into a bug report on a patch I did (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6940) and it looks like it's a stack overflow. Anyone have any experience with what would cause that? The patch enables charging mode on the nano, and I haven't seen this problem.
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07:12:01JdGordonis there a philip kao in the channel?
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07:19:24JdGordonLlorean: you round?
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07:20:34LloreanYeah
07:20:39JdGordonhey
07:20:58JdGordonim using a clea source tree and i am getting a white .mpg icon...
07:21:05JdGordon... with a blank .icons file
07:21:15JdGordonI tihnk your problem was that the filname was too long
07:22:41LloreanAlright
07:22:51LloreanThat makes sense then
07:22:58LloreanDo we know the maximum filename length?
07:23:45JdGordon32 chars
07:24:01JdGordonfor the filename without the path or extension
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07:24:07LloreanAlright
07:24:09LloreanThanks
07:24:18JdGordon32 or 20...
07:24:20*JdGordon checks
07:24:34JdGordon32
07:24:40JdGordon31 and the nul char...
07:24:47LloreanOkay
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07:36:34midkayhmm. the gigabeat F/X/S/etc series system is a bit confusing. what 'letter' is a "toshiba MES-60VK"?
07:36:40midkayS?
07:37:52LloreanThat might be the V
07:38:03LloreanNo, that's the S
07:38:06midkayhaha. how confusing...
07:38:14LloreanThe K means black
07:38:31midkayoh..
07:38:32LloreanThe F series were "MEG-F40" and then a letter representing color like S for silver
07:38:43LloreanMEG-F(capacity)(color) rather
07:38:54LloreanApparently the S series are MES-(capacity)(dunno)(color)
07:39:08midkayhmm.. i see. haha.
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07:39:28LloreanYeah
07:39:37LloreanHonestly, the iHP and iFP naming system at least made sense
07:39:50midkayyeah.. quite a weird system, the gigabeats.
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08:35:19GodEaterLlorean: you still awake ?
08:36:02GodEateroh, nvm, my eyes are playing tricks on me
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08:37:23LloreanIt's not that late
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08:45:19GodEaterI was going to ask about that post in the apple forum from the "genius" who's got rockbox running on a second gen Nano. But it's already locked, so I guess the decision's been made :)
08:46:05scorchesounds like i need to check the forums =]
08:46:36GodEaterI'm trying to make my mind up, he's either very very deluded, or a complete troll
08:46:54GodEaterI'm guessing whoever locked it decided the latter :)
08:47:39GodEaterhttp://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/29/griffin_itrip_pocket.html <−− not strictly rockbox related, but I like the look of it. A good fit :)
08:48:57amiconnLinusN: Diff view in viewvc is still broken :( (python traceback)
08:49:17LinusNbah, i thought zagor would fix that...
08:49:51amiconnIt seems that the script tries to open /dev/null for some reason, and gets denied
08:52:50LinusNyes
08:54:21LinusNi'll let zagor have a look at it, it's his server
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09:00:43t3hwiz0rdhey quick question: i bought an ipod video about december-ish, should rockbox current wor kwith few issues?
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09:04:18t3hwiz0rdanyone??
09:05:56markunt3hwiz0rd: yes, all ipod videos are now supported
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09:12:10t3hwiz0rdand how do u install themes? *blushes*
09:12:29scorcheno need to blush when you ahve the manual!
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09:15:06GodEaterplenty of need to blush if you've not read it. It *is* in the IrcGuidelines as a requirement.
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09:26:35t3hwiz0rdhmmm it seems slow on my ipod video
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09:28:07peturyawn
09:29:07JdGordonPaulJam: hey, wassup?
09:29:24Dorian_yea... so i'm trying to get gnu diff working on my pc and yet i'm not getting anywhere
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09:30:56PaulJamthere is still a bug with the double line lists. if you hold the down button then only the last line gets selected and if you then scroll up the selection is wrong.
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09:32:16JdGordon:'(
09:32:19ivanyay 5.5 now supported
09:32:22ivanok i'm later
09:32:25ivanlate*
09:32:26B4gderDorian_: pc? you mean windows? cygwin installed?
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09:33:54Dorian_windows. i would asssume i also need cygwin as well?
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09:34:39GodEaterDorian_: what are you attempting to use it for ?
09:34:40B4gderDorian_: there are stand-alone versions of gnu diff for windows, but then I don't see how it is rockbox-related really
09:34:55PaulJamJdGordon: and concerning FS #7236 : this happens on my h300 too. and if i try to reproduce it in the simulator the remote display does something weird, the first entry gets duplicated somehow.
09:35:02*petur recommends WinMerge on windows
09:35:25Dorian_well i just want to make a patch for something i wrote
09:36:11GodEaterdoes winmerge produce gnu diff compatible patches ?
09:36:44*GodEater asks out of curiousity only since he'd never dream of using a windows based dev environment for rockbox
09:36:59Dorian_>.<
09:37:04*petur uses tortoise to make the diffs
09:37:20GodEaterthat'd be a "no" then I guess ;)
09:37:28peturlet me try
09:37:54JdGordonPaulJam: 7236 is the pressing down crashes the x5 yeah?
09:38:32PaulJamJdGordon: yes
09:38:44JdGordonnothing wierd happens in the sim here...
09:38:47peturyup, can create 3 types of patches, one of them is unified
09:39:02peturhttp://winmerge.org/
09:39:03JdGordoncan you send me your config.cfg?
09:39:28PaulJamJdGordon: try entering the settings menu and scroll down to recording settings
09:40:02JdGordonoh, that bug is back :'(
09:40:04JdGordonrighto
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09:40:29Dorian_petur: thanks, ill give that try
09:40:38PaulJammy config was reset when reproducing.
09:40:52GodEaterpetur, is the format with CR/LF or just LF?
09:41:01cropLlorean, linuxstb: here?
09:41:30peturCR/LF I guess, but you can use notepad2 or other tools to change that
09:41:32GodEaterlinuxstb isn't out of bed yet, Llorean is borderline on his way there
09:41:57GodEaterat least, I would be at that time of the morning if it were me :)
09:42:17petur9:42 here
09:42:37cropAnyway, I'll just say what I have found out about the list acceleration.
09:43:49PaulJamJdGordon: another thing i just noticed: if you enter the system menu from the root menu and then leave it again, the first two entrys from the root menu are not visible. even though all enrys schould fit on the screen.
09:44:36cropI've looked into the code. The acceleration works like this: when the UP or DOWN key is held long enough, a sequence of REPEAT events is generated (at some fixed frequency, e.g. 5 times per second)
09:46:24JdGordonPaulJam: ok, thats fixed
09:46:33cropWith each REPEAT event, the position of the list cursor is advanced by a delta. In the beginning, the delta is 1. And then, it's increased by 1 once per X milliseconds.
09:47:47JdGordoncrop: the code is very simple... whats your problem? yes the language of the settings is bad.. suggest better language then..
09:48:03cropThe value of X is set by the "Accel Speed" option.
09:48:52cropJdGordon: I tried to understand what it does since only then can I find the right wording. But 2x/... is definitely wrong IMHO
09:49:15cropIt suggests that the delta is doubled every x secs
09:49:37JdGordonyes, didnt I even say it was wrong in the commit message? really it doesnt matter, its just a representatino for the user...
09:50:20cropWhy not just use values from, say, 1 to 10. The values don't have to have a meaning for the user other than 1=low acceleration, 10=highest acceleration
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09:51:03cropThe current strings suggest a meaning which is wrong
09:51:45cropJdGordon: where are they defined btw?
09:51:57*B4gder just realized nls certainly got a nice highscore yday
09:52:13JdGordoncrop: which?
09:52:22crop2x/3s etc
09:52:30JdGordonsettings_list.c
09:52:36JdGordonbut dont change the function there...
09:52:46JdGordonthe reason I used that was to save bin space...
09:52:55JdGordonthat setting is used elsewhere...
09:53:17JdGordonif you really feel strongly, I would suggest chaning the acceleration algorithm to match the string
09:55:24cropJdGordon: I can't change code anyway. But if the same algorithm is used elsewhere (FF/REW accel?) then the string is also wrong there, i.e. it tells something that isn't true
09:55:42GodEaterI agree with crop, I think the values displayed in the menu should be an easily understood (by the user) scale. It needn't have any bearing on what's actually going on in the code.
09:55:51JdGordonI guess the algo in the other place is corect
09:56:19cropJdGordon: you mean the speed is really doubled every x secs?
09:57:02JdGordoni dont know.. I havnt looked at that cde
09:57:04JdGordoncode
09:57:12cropYes, the same formatter is used for FF/RW accel
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09:57:46JdGordonPaulJam: yay, fixed both your bugs... just got the one in he forums to fix
09:57:55croplinuxstb: hey! Read a couple of lines above pls
09:58:25linuxstbJdGordon: I don't think it's right to display a setting list which has no relationship to an actual setting, just to save bin space.
09:58:28linuxstbcrop: I have
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10:00:31croplinuxstb: and what do you think? (You've only said what you don't think :-)
10:02:00linuxstbI still think the same as yesterday - call the setting something like "list acceleration interval" and display the actual time in ms. I don't really like arbitrary "1-10" scales and would prefer the setting to say what it is.
10:04:06linuxstb(thinking about it, probably not ms, but seconds to 1 decimal place, if we keep that accuracy)
10:04:17croplinuxstb: I can agree with this.
10:05:57JdGordonms is better...
10:07:50GodEaterlinuxstb: seen this post -> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10653.msg81705#msg81705 ? It's got me stumped...
10:08:47crashd just a quick q, does the 'resume' function (ie, on the ipod5g, hold down play until it shuts down, then bootup and hit play again) work on filenames or an index of some kind?
10:10:03B4gdercrashd: index in the playlist
10:10:21crashdand the playlist works on filenames, i assume?
10:10:25B4gderyes
10:10:35crashdthat's strange
10:10:35B4gderand it saves the random seed for shuffle
10:10:39B4gderso that it can continue
10:10:59crashdif i shutdown, then add some files to the directory the last file played is in, it'll mess up what it's playing
10:11:28B4gdercrashd: that's exactly because of that system, since the directory is turned into a playlist and played when you play a song
10:11:56crashdeven if i only play one specific file from said directory?
10:12:01B4gderyes
10:12:11crashdoh, i see
10:12:17B4gdersince when you press next, it goes to the next song
10:12:44crashdthanks for answering my dim quesiton B4gder :)
10:12:56B4gderno problems
10:13:04crashdthat's been bugging me for ages
10:13:12B4gderI wrote lots of that code about 200 years ago
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10:13:46GodEaterthat was back in the days of the rockbox port to the Babbage Difference Engine then right ?
10:13:54crashdabacii
10:14:15B4gderGodEater: the best rockbox target we had! ;-)
10:14:38GodEatera little unwieldy in your pocket, but excellent feature set.
10:14:53GodEatersteampunk rockbox
10:15:14linuxstbGodEater: Do the people having problems have 80GB ipods?
10:15:44linuxstbGodEater: (regarding that forum thread you pointed me to)
10:15:55JdGordonjonno@htpc:~/rockbox/h300-sim$ cd ../h300-sim/ <- stupid muscle memory doin the typing :p
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10:19:16Dorian_so i just did the diff of two files and i don't think it came out completely corrected http://www.tingreendoor.com/misc/patch
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10:20:40B4gderDorian_: that looks like you have a newline problem
10:20:47B4gderlike different newlines on the files or similar
10:22:29Dorian_huh? argh
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10:25:08GodEaterlinuxstb: yes, they're all 80GB iPod owners it seems
10:25:37linuxstbGodEater: And have they all done manual conversions to FAT32, or reformatted somehow?
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10:28:22GodEaterlinuxstb: unclear - I think that last post implies that particular user has, the windows users doesn't seem to have - but I could be wrong
10:30:37linuxstbIf you can, it could be helpful to try reformatting your 80GB and see if Rockbox is still happy with it.
10:33:30JdGordondid anyon look at the left button patch I put on the dev ml? does the lack of comments mean noone cares if thats the way its done?
10:34:02GodEaterlinuxstb: hmm - I'll think about it
10:34:21Dorian_B4gder: what do you mean different newlines?
10:34:35B4gderDorian_: CRLF vs LF only
10:34:58Dorian_B4gder: yea... um so how would i fix that?
10:35:03GodEaterDorian_: this is why I said I'd never use a windows dev environment for rockbox work
10:35:18B4gderDorian_: switch to the good side: Linux
10:35:20B4gder:-)
10:35:23Dorian_lol
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10:35:33GodEateror use cygwin
10:35:35linuxstbDorian_: Or use a decent text editor (i.e. anything apart from notepad)
10:35:41peturnotepad2
10:35:51Dorian_hmm, i thought i was using Notepad++
10:36:21linuxstbDorian_: Does that have a "line-ending" option ? You want to choose "Unix".
10:36:28B4gderDorian_: do note that this is my _guess_ based on the look of that patch
10:37:02linuxstbDorian_: Or you could just open and save the original file, so you convert that to Windows line-endings as well. Then the diff should be OK (if B4gder's guess is right)
10:37:50peturthe _only_ problem I had with rb devwork under windows was slow compile time. For everything lese, there are fine tools (some I think are better than under linux)
10:38:00peturs/lese/else
10:38:28Dorian_hmm, it does have an opiton for converting to unix, did that, reran diff in cygwin same thing
10:38:48linuxstbpetur: Maybe you should document them in the wiki...
10:39:23Dorian_ah, it was a different language from windos
10:39:28Dorian_thanks guys
10:39:30peturDorian_: if you are using WinMerge, there's an option to ignore line-endings
10:39:44petur(Edit->Options)
10:40:21Dorian_petur: just made the file unix and batch language and it was fine when i re ran diff
10:40:36Dorian_petur:thanks
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10:41:50PaulJam_JdGordon: now there is a problem with paged scrolling disabled: if you scroll down a long list and reach the end of the list, then the display immediately jumps to the end of the list.
10:41:57peturlinuxstb: I already have: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN
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10:42:32*JdGordon thought I didnt touch non-paged scrollin code :'(
10:43:17darkskiez_do i need a newer bootloader to load rockbox on the 80G ?
10:43:33GodEaternewer than what ?
10:43:41darkskiez_newer than the ipodpatcher one on the wiki
10:43:53GodEateruse the ipodpatcher linked in the manual
10:44:02PaulJam_also, when you scroll up from the end of the list, it does a weird jump
10:44:05JdGordonPaulJam_: ah, hmm.. thats bad :p
10:44:08GodEaterI've no idea which wiki link you're referring to
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10:44:34darkskiez_GodEater: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/macosx/ that one i used
10:44:39JdGordondinner... bbs
10:45:16darkskiez_brb
10:46:22GodEaterthat looks like the right one
10:48:23Dorian_so im about to submit the patch, how to a make sure i give myself the right credit? is that with the patch or the submition
10:50:10peturDorian_: make sure you supply your real name and you'll receive credit ;)
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10:50:27petur(when it gets accepted of course)
10:50:32Dorian_petur: real name where?
10:50:42peturin the patch tracker
10:50:47Dorian_kk
10:51:07amiconnJdGordon: anomolys??
10:51:26peturrofl
10:51:36peturnew batteries for Jd :p
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10:53:50Dorian_ok... patch #7111 is all done i think...
10:54:04Dorian_yea, i love my podcasts
10:55:59Dorian_so how likely are patches to be accepted?
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10:59:23peturDorian_: that patch is in the wrong format
10:59:56peturmust be unified format
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11:00:36Dorian_petur:thanks
11:01:41peturZagor: still something weird with flyspray, have a look at the history of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7111
11:02:22Zagorlooking. what's the weird part?
11:02:32peturNotice: Undefined index: 0 in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/events.inc.php on line 105 Field changed: Severity ( → Critical)
11:02:34Zagoroh
11:02:36Zagorsaw it :)
11:03:35Dorian_Zagor:that has nothing to me i take it?
11:04:05Zagorno, it's caused by our previously not using the severity field
11:04:15Dorian_kk
11:04:23Zagorso in some places it's undefined, which causes this error
11:05:05Dorian_alright, i put my 2cents in... hopefully it'll be accepted and all the fun stuff, now for an hour nap and off to class
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11:06:04peturDorian_: still not the correct patch format
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11:06:37Dorian_petur?:what now?
11:06:54peturhow do you create the patch?
11:07:32Dorian_cygwin... winmerge was acting weird
11:08:01JdGordonamiconn: I wold have thought tha by now speeling mistakes and typos in my commit messages would be ignored :p
11:08:11peturDorian_: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
11:08:39peturuse -u
11:10:28*amiconn likes how the apache spellchecker module is called mod_speling
11:10:42JdGordonlol
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11:10:43B4gderthat's humor
11:10:46peturhahaha
11:11:18B4gderno wonder the http header is called "referer" (spelled wrong that is)
11:11:20*petur notices the webclient has 10+ seconds lag :(
11:12:08*JdGordon working hard to keep the build servers busy :p
11:12:36*petur asked his boss if the company wanted to sponsor rb but got a 'no'
11:12:50Dorian_petur: thanks
11:13:14JdGordonpetur: hoping for a spotters fee were you?
11:13:35bluebrotherseems the list widget is / got quite buggy?
11:13:36scorchepetur: ask for a raise and give that amount to Rockbox =P
11:13:55peturgetting a raise was not the problem :p
11:14:40peturhmmm that idea of selling those bottles was not so good, no bidders and only 1 day to go...
11:14:46JdGordonbluebrother: shouold be all fixed now
11:15:03*scorche didnt think they would sell, but didnt want to be a downer
11:15:15JdGordonit was a fnny idea anyway...
11:15:19peturwell at least I tried ;)
11:15:24*JdGordon would have bought one if he had a credit card
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11:15:58Dorian_is there a way to remove comments you made on flyspray?
11:16:10JdGordonregular users cant
11:16:52PaulJam_JdGordon: the issue with holding the DOWN button in lists with double lines seems to be still there
11:16:58peturyou want to remove your comment about how you hate windows? I'll do that for you :p
11:17:08Dorian_lol sure
11:17:43Dorian_but seriously, just all that other bs would be great
11:17:49JdGordonPaulJam_: doh, forgot about that one
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11:18:40peturDorian_: you should see my first patches, they were worse ;)
11:19:01*petur didn't mention 'bag of shit' there
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11:19:41Dorian_ha, well i don't see myself doing any more patches.
11:20:44Dorian_petur:so im good now?
11:21:07peturyes, now you have to start nagging people to commit it ;) (but not me!)
11:21:25Dorian_ah... hmm ok
11:21:34peturjust be patient
11:21:59LinusNpetur: maybe you could sell bottles of shit?
11:22:10Dorian_i assume if i just leave it be, it should be fine?
11:22:12Dorian_ha
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11:24:44Dorian_alright, now to bed. later and thanks again
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11:26:05JdGordonPaulJam_: fixed
11:26:18PaulJam_JdGordon: thanks
11:27:11JdGordondo e have a policy regarding commiting mostly useless stuff which dont affect the core? i.e to tagnavi.config and plugins?
11:28:21LinusNthe policy is "don't commit crap"
11:28:28LinusN:-)
11:28:40JdGordonand completly unrelated.. does the yes/no screen split text if the sentance doesnt fit on the screen
11:29:32JdGordonand what crap? 7111 imo could be done just as easly with tagnavi_custom.config so maybe shouldnt g in the core? but it doesnt actually cost anything to, so shouold it go in?
11:29:45JdGordon+ there are a few new game plugins in FS waiting to go in
11:32:07lexhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlREm8Rj_1o !
11:32:08lexspread it
11:34:23JdGordonwtf?
11:34:57lex:)
11:35:27JdGordonamiconn: I tihnk im going to agree with you on the recording dir problem... seems to be the easiest to code also :p
11:44:02bluebrotherwho cares about games anyway? ;-)
11:44:18bluebrotherdamn, too much work today to even keep up reading irc :(
11:47:56PaulJam_JdGordon: there is still a minor issue with the double line lists: if paged scrolling is on and the last item on a page is only half displayed (only the first line) the list should propably jump to the next page when this item gets highlighted.
11:48:28JdGordonyes it shuold
11:48:40JdGordoncan you put that on FS? ill look at it tomoorw or later in the week
11:48:53PaulJam_ok
11:49:34darkskiez_i get can't load rockbox.ipod on my 80Gb, it says partition 1: 0x0B 19045MB which strikes me as wrong tho
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11:50:51GodEaterdarkskiez_: have you modified your ipod before in any way ?
11:51:19darkskiez_i used the ipod 80Gb winpod MBR from the wiki to make it a winpod
11:51:45darkskiez_it works on the apple firmware & hooked to my mac
11:51:53DerPapstGodEater: seen my reply about the 80GB iPods not finding rockbox.ipod?
11:52:03GodEaterDerPapst: not yet
11:52:27GodEaterAh,
11:52:30GodEaterjust read it
11:52:39GodEaterthat would probably explain darkskiez_ problem too then
11:52:49darkskiez_ive not seen it
11:53:27DerPapsti wonder if they are any other tools in linux for formatting fat32 partitions besides mkfs.
11:53:31JdGordonamiconn: ping....
11:54:04darkskiez_is there something i should try / read / etc ?
11:54:05GodEateryou think it's a problem with mkfs on linux? Not OSX ?
11:54:09DerPapstdarkskiez_: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10653.30
11:54:23DerPapstmaybe both
11:54:35DerPapstbut mkfs on linux has the same issue
11:54:45GodEaterhow pathetic
11:55:02GodEaterand XP won't let you format a FAT32 partition over a certain amount of GBs
11:55:13GodEaterunless you use SwissKnife or something
11:55:19darkskiez_i used osx disk utility
11:55:59DerPapstGodEater: yepp :( winblows refused to format my ipod...
11:56:20amiconnDerPapst: Hmm, maybe that bug only applies when dealing with devices where the device sector size is also > 512 bytes?
11:57:06DerPapstamiconn: yes. i've said the same in the forumpost.
11:57:17amiconnBack when developing the simple method to deal with large virtual fat sectors, I was able to create a fs with 2048 byte viirtual sectors just fine with mkfs.vfat
11:57:33amiconnBut that was on a device with 512 byte physical sector
11:58:09amiconnThe funny thing was that both linux and rockbox were able to handle that filesystem, but windows couldn't
11:58:37GodEaterthere's an alternative to mkdosfs on linux I'm sure of it
11:58:41GodEaterI just can't think of the ame
11:58:48GodEaters/ame/name
11:58:59DerPapstusing mkfs with 512bytes sectorsize works ok with rockbox. otherwise tons of ipl users who formatted their fat32 partition with mkfs whould complain here
11:59:22DerPapst;)
11:59:35darkskiez_so, was my flaw using the disk utility to format the ipod ?
11:59:42darkskiez_should I have used the cmd line
12:00
12:00:04darkskiez_or will that not actually help
12:00:10GodEaterdarkskiez_: I don't think it would make any difference
12:00:23DerPapstthe interessting thing is when i format my 80GB ipod with mkfs (-S 2048) the aplle fw still can read from the partition but now write to it.
12:00:32GodEatermtools
12:00:35GodEaterthat's it
12:01:07GodEateryou use the mformat utility
12:01:17GodEateris that available for OSX?
12:01:33DerPapsti've tried that with the TuneTalk. it only recorded garbage.
12:01:34darkskiez_damn, mtools isnt under ports
12:02:12GodEateryou've tried what ?
12:02:21markundarkskiez_: freebsd?
12:02:29darkskiez_darwinports
12:02:52GodEaterdarkskiez_: http://www.gallery.co.uk/mtoolsosx.html
12:02:56darkskiez_fink has i
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12:03:11GodEateroh no
12:03:14GodEaterthat's completely wrong
12:03:15GodEatersorry
12:03:17darkskiez_:)
12:03:24darkskiez_i'm building it with fin k
12:03:58JdGordongrr.... petur just lft :(
12:04:07JdGordonrec ording path patch is finished!
12:04:14GodEaterdarkskiez_: remember, you must have the iPod *unmounted* in order to use mformat
12:04:24JdGordonstalls waiting for input if the rec directory isnt wriatable
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12:07:15GodEaterI'm not sure what options to pass to mformat to get it to do the job properly mind you
12:07:23GodEaterit might take some experimentation
12:08:20GodEateryou also need to play with mtools.conf's content as well
12:08:48DerPapstthis sound interesting for windows users... http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm
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12:09:34JdGordonamiconn: LinusN, whats the story with the two patches on FS to validate the filenames before creatin them?
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12:15:47*GodEater wonders whether it would be possible to create an empty filesystem, zip it up, and post it on the wiki with the mbr's. This could be dd'd to the iPod in the same manner as the mbr and hopefully sort out the problem.
12:17:29JdGordonno reason why not...
12:17:51GodEaterI wonder how small we can get an 80GB filesystem though
12:18:06JdGordonuse dd to create a file of the desired size, then mkefs.vfat on that file to create it
12:18:57GodEaterwe'd still hit the bug with the sector size though doing that ?
12:19:23JdGordonoh, yeah, probably
12:19:39GodEateralso, I don't have the free disc space to create an 80GB file
12:20:14JdGordonpixelma: you round?
12:22:36DerPapstGodEater: i don't think that's a good idea. I bet a lot of people don't have 80GB space on their pcs/macs/whatever(s) to extract that file. and it could happen that they have iPL installed so the 80GB image would be too big for their fat32 partition
12:23:58GodEaterDerPapst: those that have managed to get iPL installed I'd expect to be clued up enough to figure out how to use mtools to fix the issue themselves.
12:24:09GodEaterJoe Public on the other hand I think shouldn't be expected to do so
12:24:44*GodEater wonders if it's an option we could build into rbutil
12:25:23LinusNyou don't need an 80gb file
12:25:29DerPapstGodEater: do not underestimate the average moron. Most of the guys over at iPL don't know where the root on their ipods is.
12:25:31LinusNyou only need the FAT
12:25:42GodEaterLinusN: silly me, of course!
12:26:10LinusNi know of at least one who managed to dd his ipod partition image to his linux box
12:26:42*LinusN wanders off to lunch
12:27:06*GodEater is loathe to provide this file system image personally, since he only just finished organising the music on his iPod yesterday =/
12:27:48DerPapsthehe
12:27:57DerPapstbackup ipod_control :P
12:28:28GodEaterI don't use iPod_Control
12:28:33GodEaterthat's kind of the point
12:28:34DerPapstor whatever you used to put music on your 'pod
12:28:42GodEaterI moved all the music out of it
12:28:44GodEaterand it took AGES
12:28:51DerPapstheh
12:29:21GodEatermoving ~40GB of content is not a quick process, even if you have the space to do it, and I'm not sure I do
12:29:40DerPapst:)
12:30:48DerPapsti've only used about 15GB of my ipod right now... but i'm sure you don't want my fatpartition :P
12:35:13DerPapstthe fat superblock contains the information how long the partition is?
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12:39:41pixelmaJdGordon: looking for someone to try?
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12:40:03JdGordonpixelma: yeah :) if you can have a looky at the rec path patch
12:40:17JdGordonyoull need the fat checking patch also if your testing rec t the mcc
12:40:19JdGordonmmc
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12:42:20amiconnJdGordon: pong...
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12:42:52JdGordondw.. figured it out :)
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12:48:06pixelmaJdGordon: there are 2 fatcheck patches in the tracker...
12:48:22JdGordonyeah, so i was told... both do the same thing
12:49:22JdGordonone of them shhuold get cmmited....
12:51:39XavierGramiconn: sorry to bother you again about this, but do you remember where do you get the GPIO signal for the ondio backlight mod?
12:52:15XavierGror is it impossible to get that signal on the old ondio because it doesn't have the right chip?
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12:58:40peturthat MS surface computer really looks nice
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13:01:23markunpetur: what are you refering to?
13:01:53peturhttp://www.microsoft.com/surface/
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13:02:25Nico_PI'm just seeing a black page...
13:02:37Nico_Poh no something arrived
13:02:47peturskip the intro
13:02:51XavierGrisn't that technology an apple thing?
13:03:16XavierGrmulti touch screen or how they call it
13:03:27peturputting IR cameras below the surface really is a neat trick
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13:05:05DerPapstbut 5000 to 10000 buck is a bit... expensive?
13:05:17intgrWell, all that stuff has been done long ago.
13:05:19B4gderindeed fancy demo videos
13:05:40intgrMicrosoft is just putting it all together.
13:05:52markunpetur: looks somewhat like this project: http://youtube.com/watch?v=89sz8ExZndc
13:06:46markunmaybe it's the same project, bought by microsoft
13:06:58B4gderor just stolen ;-)
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13:07:06peturthe MS site says they've been working on it from 2001
13:07:46peturwell multi-touch is one thing, the software behind it is something else
13:07:58Zagornow THIS is cutting-edge ui design: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc
13:08:17intgrYeah, Reactable is cool.
13:08:32peturlooking at the speed of it, it's either a trick or attached to a supercomputer. Or they didn't write the OS for it
13:09:26markunpetur: some more info: http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/
13:09:29intgrHuh? Any cheap 3D graphics card can do that without the blink of an eye.
13:10:18*petur wonders what "Frustrated Total Internal Reflection" is
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13:12:52*markun wonders why the videos on the MS site are interlaced
13:14:44GodEaterbecause that's the key thing really
13:14:48GodEaternot what they're about
13:14:49GodEater:)
13:15:28markunpetur: but yes, pretty nice
13:15:35intgrpetur: "frustrated total internal reflection (FTIR), a technique familiar to the biometrics community where it is used for fingerprint image acquisition. It acquires true touch information at high spatial and temporal resolutions, and is scalable to very large installations"
13:18:37amiconnXavierGr: The signal should be present on one of the el chip pads
13:19:56intgrI wonder how do they handle the problem of greasy fingerprints.
13:20:26peturmarkun: damn that thing looks pretty real: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6xZnyC09QbA
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13:25:08DerPapstthat's prtty sick too :-D
13:25:52B4gdernono, you always want to see those photos on your coffee table and sit there rotating them endlessly...
13:26:12petur:)
13:27:05*DerPapst solders a wifi chip in his iPod and Photocamera to be up to date
13:27:30*GodEater has just been invited here : http://www.thechap.net/content/section_news/chap-events.html
13:27:35*GodEater is suitable worried
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13:28:38DerPapstdoes the fat superblock contain some information how long the partition is?
13:29:03peturyes
13:29:06sbehit must
13:29:28DerPapstaw... then i have to format my ipod the sooner or later.
13:29:29sbehbecause when use resize partition, the filesystem stays
13:29:42sbehuse = you
13:30:13DerPapsthttp://pastebin.ca/522283
13:30:50XavierGramiconn: you mean the pads lines up oposite from the microphone? (on the old ondio fm picture)
13:31:13XavierGrah you said the chip
13:31:32darkskiez_i've build mtools for osx, i cant see the proper invocation on the wiki to format the 80Gb correctly
13:31:33XavierGrso I guess you mean the bigger ones just below the ones I just said
13:32:04DerPapstis there anyway to alter FAT superblock to match the MBR again?
13:32:07markunrbutil also works with the Gigabeat, right?
13:32:08XavierGramiconn: strange though because last time I measured it I didn't found any voltage on these pads
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13:32:29GodEaterdarkskiez_: that's because there IS no documentation on the wiki about it - we only just thought of it as a solution remember ?
13:32:39darkskiez_i dont remmerb
13:32:53GodEaterit was like an hour ago
13:32:55DerPapsttoo much alcohol isn't good for you
13:32:59GodEaterwhen you went off to build it
13:33:26Nico_Pmarkun: yes, it does
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13:34:08webguest14hi all, im having trouble with rockbox on my iriver H10... when i run it, it makes the player go hot (temperature wize) and the batter only lasts a little......
13:34:32Nico_PJdGordon: have you fixed FS #7237 ?
13:34:45darkskiez_GodEater: any guesses on an invocation?
13:34:46GodEaterwebguest14: it's well published that we don't run very well on PortalPlayer based targets such as the H10
13:34:57GodEaterdarkskiez_: nope - read the manual page for mformat
13:35:07darkskiez_GodEater: i can read, i just dont know the spec
13:35:16GodEaterdarkskiez_: you'll also have to edit mtools.conf
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13:35:41darkskiez_ive got mdir working for listing my ipod
13:35:43GodEaterdarkskiez_: well you have to specify a sector size of 2048, FAT32 file system. That's about it
13:36:22darkskiez_mformat: Unknown geometry
13:37:34GodEaterdarkskiez_: which options did you use ?
13:38:11darkskiez_ mformat -F -M 2048 a:
13:38:33darkskiez_it wants [-t tracks] [-h heads] [-n sectors] i think
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13:40:04GodEaterhmm - it shouldn't do
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13:44:35darkskiez_to make mdir work - Total number of sectors not a multiple of sectors per track! - Add mtools_skip_check=1 to your .mtoolsrc file to skip this test
13:44:42darkskiez_i dont know if thats part of the problem
13:45:38GodEateryeah I've just got that too
13:45:49darkskiez_ minfo a:
13:45:55darkskiez_suggests- mformat command line: mformat -t 4781 -h 255 -s 32 a:
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13:46:37GodEaterdamn the webclient is playing up today
13:48:01darkskiez_minfo a:- minfo a:
13:48:06darkskiez_suggests- mformat command line: mformat -t 4781 -h 255 -s 32 a:
13:48:19GodEatersaw it in the log, but thanks :)
13:48:56GodEaternow I get a *completely* different bunch of numbers to you
13:48:58darkskiez_what does minfo give for someone that has a working ipod
13:49:54GodEaterhang on, I'll post mine to pastebin
13:50:55GodEaterhttp://pastebin.ca/522314
13:51:07GodEatercan you put the full contents of your minfo results there too ?
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13:52:36darkskiez_http://pastebin.ca/522322
13:53:00GodEaterlord pastebin is slow
13:53:30darkskiez_its a complicated script :)
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13:54:25GodEaterwell, I guess you can try the mformat command it suggests for mine
13:54:35GodEaterif you have a non-working iPod currently, it cant' hurt :)
13:54:36*DerPapst doesn't like the new look of pastebin
13:54:55GodEaterDerPapst: what did they change ?
13:54:59darkskiez_DerPapst: - Like the new style? Find any quirks in it? Let me know! at the top
13:54:59darkskiez_:)
13:55:02GodEaterit's too subtle for me :)
13:55:21GodEaterdarkskiez_: you maintain it ?
13:55:29darkskiez_GodEater: god no
13:55:40darkskiez_GodEater: i meant to quote that
13:56:13GodEaterah
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13:56:46GodEaterwhen you said "it's a complicated script" followed by that suggestion, I thought perhaps you looked after it :)
13:57:10GodEatergoing to try that mformat command then from my minfo output ?
13:57:15darkskiezyeh
13:57:20GodEaterdon't forget -F
13:57:25GodEaterto make sure it's FAT32
13:57:37darkskiezwant 8 sector clusters too i suppose
13:58:11GodEaterlooks like it
13:58:43darkskiezi'll run withut and see what minfo gives back
13:59:00darkskiezchrist this is slo
13:59:40amiconnXavierGr: The voltage will of course only be there when rockbox or the of enables the backlight... that's the purpose of using gpio
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14:00:06amiconnIt might also be that there is an element missing between the cpu and the empty pad
14:00:39darkskiezOh, thats crap
14:00:51darkskiezits come back with only 2424 cyls
14:01:49darkskiezi'm removing the -H option / hidden sectors
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14:02:53darkskiezit also only did 512byte sectors..
14:03:24GodEaterright - we need to get it to do the 2048 byte ones too
14:03:43darkskiezadding -S 2048 and -M 2048 (soft/hard sect size)
14:04:01darkskiezwhat do u think about the hidden sectors? add or not?
14:04:06GodEater-S isn't specified as the number of sectors though I think
14:04:11GodEaterI'd leave that bit alone for now
14:04:30darkskiez [-S hardsectorsize] [-M softsectorsize]
14:04:37GodEaterreally ?
14:04:44GodEater-S is "sizecode" is my version
14:04:51darkskiezMtools version 3.9.9, dated 3 March 2003
14:04:57GodEater"The sizecode. The size of the sector is 2 ^ (sizecode + 7)."
14:05:20GodEaterMtools version 3.9.10, dated March 2nd, 2005
14:05:51GodEaterhmm, although specifying -h to mformat returns the same thing you just posted
14:05:58GodEaterI love consistency in docs =/
14:06:08GodEaterwell go with it, see what happens =/
14:06:15XavierGramiconn: but of course I tried with backlight enabled build :)
14:06:16amiconnXavierGr: No element in between. Backlight enable signal should be present on pad1 of the SP4403
14:06:32XavierGramiconn: I think I found it but I am not exactly sure
14:07:08darkskiezlunch
14:07:50XavierGramiconn: I found a voltage of around 3.2 volts when backlight is enabled between a pad just under the white sticker and one of those little strip pads that you mount the el chip
14:08:15XavierGrmaybe using a transistor I could make a LED switch
14:09:29XavierGramiconn: on another note, do you think that it would be possible to automatically power the ondio on usb power like e.g the H300?
14:11:44amiconnShould be possible with some modification
14:13:37XavierGrif you happen to know something on it, please inform.
14:13:48XavierGrthanks for your help so far btw
14:16:52XavierGryup I finally found the signal, voltage will drop after x seconds of inactivity (and x seconds in the backlight settings)
14:17:43XavierGrnow I will have to buy a proper transistor, resistor and LED, and hope that it will work out
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14:30:07rp-hi
14:30:34GodEaterhello
14:34:47rp-i had mail traffic with AMS today, they wrote me how the sansa port is going on. and i asked them about the port for their new chip, we will arrange a meeting in july, as soon as my contact is back from the US.
14:35:25B4gdernice
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14:37:28rp-would be cool if we had a working port, before the first player is on the market
14:37:38rp-or at least some working drivers
14:38:07B4gderrp-: do you know if they will sell/market it under their own name?
14:38:17peturthat would be something new... most ports are for players no longer sold...
14:38:20B4gderAMS is hardly a known brand in this area...
14:39:41rp-no they just sell their chips, i asked them about that on the last meeting, and they said without a known brand you hardly have a chance on that market
14:39:53B4gderyeah, my thinking too
14:40:58rp-i didn't even know that they exists until you said some chip of them is in the sansa player, then i realised that we have such a company in austria :)
14:43:25B4gder:-)
14:44:57rp-anyone know how far austriancoder got with his usb work?
14:45:16peturevaluating stacks I think
14:49:25darkskiezGodEater: YAY, the mformat worked
14:49:44darkskiez mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 2048 -M 2048 -F
14:50:12LinusNdarkskiez: run to the wiki and document it
14:50:35DerPapstwow... lots of args
14:52:26GodEaterdarkskiez: very definitely put that in the wiki as LinusN says
14:52:33darkskiezjust registered
14:52:45darkskiezwill add it to the Fat32 Conversion page
14:52:49GodEaterwith your real name I hope :)
14:52:54darkskiezYes
14:53:48LinusNdarkskiez: i just granted you write permission in the wiki
14:54:03darkskiezah, merci
14:55:00GodEaterI guess we'll need some instructions on where to get mtools from for OSX tool =/
14:55:08GodEaters/tool/too
14:57:17darkskiezI could make a dmg with mtools built
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15:01:05GodEaterthat would be very useful
15:01:32darkskiezmight be easiest to format one, gzip it up (it'd be tiny) so people could just gunzip it > /dev/diskXs2
15:01:48darkskiezthen no tools would be needed
15:02:04*GodEater has little/no experience with OSX, so whatever you think best.
15:03:11darkskiezshould I have rockbox preinstalled on the image ?
15:03:50GodEaterprobably not
15:04:05darkskiezactually, that'd require writing 80Gb of 0's over USB, not fun
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15:06:46JdGordonNico_P: no not yet
15:09:46t3hwiz0rddoes anyone else seem to have an issue where their ipod video has slow scroll and volume control? and seems to eat battery to the floor?
15:10:31GodEatert3hwiz0rd: yes - everyone that has rockbox on their ipod.
15:10:52t3hwiz0rdhmmm... well thats a shame, if it wasn't an issue, it'd be absolutely perfect :-(
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15:17:26GodEatert3hwiz0rd: we don't choose to make it that way - we'd love to fix it, it's just that PortalPlayer is not documented at all - so we don't fully know how to use it's features.
15:19:39B4gdermaybe that battery_suck() function in firmware/ipod/pointless.c should be removed?
15:19:47B4gder:-P
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15:24:29GodEateralong with the waste_lots_of_cpu_cycles_so_we_scroll_slowly() ?
15:26:19darkskiezTheres a bug in the manual - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 dead link to ipodpatcher osx dmg, its changed name.
15:26:41GodEatersubmit a patch? :)
15:27:02darkskiezwould do, but i just dont quite care enough.
15:27:15darkskiezits one of those days
15:27:17GodEaterthat's a shame :(
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15:33:06JdGordonpixelma: petur, did you try out the new rec dir patch?
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15:33:49peturJdGordon: not yet completely...
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16:37:27bluebrotherBagder: the macos ipodpatcher dmg file has now a version number in it. I think it would be best to have a symlink to the most recent version so the manual is always up to date.
16:37:58bluebrother(as the windows / linux version also doesn't have a version number in the file name)
16:38:12B4gderdone
16:38:22bluebrothercool :)
16:39:07bluebrotherdarkskiez: manual fixed :p
16:39:38darkskiezyay
16:40:59Nico_Pdarkskiez: français ?
16:41:20darkskiezno
16:41:33Nico_Poh
16:41:42Nico_Pdidn't you say "merci" ?
16:42:08darkskiezperhaps :)
16:42:11markun"Rockbox is the solution, it will make the S a UMS device. It's still probably a good 3 months away from running on the S though."
16:42:16markunfrom http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=CEC364DE-3048-2906-EAB2F3AD1F34EE82
16:42:29markunwhat an optimist :)
16:43:17peturhehe
16:46:19bluebrotherwhat's the main differenct of the S? New encryption or only a new bunch of unknown hardware?
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16:48:29markunbluebrother: there are many differences
16:48:39markunthe OF is now windows based instead on linux based
16:49:43markunit has a faster ARM core with a floating point vector unit
16:50:19bluebrotherlinux based firmware? Wouldn't that require the sources to be available somewhere?
16:50:19markunbut it has the same screen as the X
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16:50:29markunbluebrother: I have the source if you want
16:50:41B4gderthere are many linux based ones, but they all do the binary-modules dance
16:50:52markunindeed
16:50:53bluebrotherblargh :(
16:51:26bluebrotherI currently neither have money to buy an S nor time to really hack it. Unfortunately −− guess this would be fun.
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16:54:43markunI wonder why all the components of the Gigabeats have publicly available documentation available (or why this is not the case with other DAP manfs)
16:55:52toffe82markun: not all component, some are under nda
16:56:06markuntoffe82: the LCD?
16:56:22toffe82the fm chip
16:56:44toffe82and the video also I think
16:57:56toffe82but google is still a good friend ;)
16:58:06markunyou have both?
16:58:15toffe82yes
16:58:17amiconnmarkun: The iriver components also have publicly available docs
16:58:35toffe82markun: I have all except the lcd
16:58:38amiconnCPU, lcd controller, pmu, usbotg...
16:58:48markunamiconn: true, I forgot about that..
16:59:07amiconnAnd the archoses too, except programming docs for the mas
16:59:38markunso it's not so bad after all (or we just choose easy DAPs to port rockbox to :)
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17:00:52amiconnThe only nda components which are annoying so far are: the PP chips, the AS3514, and the usbotg controller in the X5
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17:01:28peturoh... we have no doc on the usbotg of the x5?
17:01:33amiconn(the ones I know of)
17:02:05toffe82what reference is it ?
17:02:31amiconnALi M5636
17:03:11amiconnpetur: Correct. But maybe finding that info via RE might not be too difficult; our send-to-sleep driver already works based on REd info
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17:09:18amiconnpetur: I think it will become easier to find the necessary information once we got usbotg working on one of the other targets, like H300
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17:10:23peturDo you think so? I feel the interaction between driver and controller chip is quite complicated
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17:10:46peturmany timers, statemachines, statusregisters
17:11:19amiconnWe could also try to write to ALi and ask for the datasheet. They say they decide on a case by case basis who gets the datasheet
17:11:50amiconnThen it'd probably also be helpful to have a working usb stack...
17:11:52peturwe should do that anyway, you never know how they react
17:12:29peturwell host != device stack and I fear device stack will be the focus
17:12:54peturwhich is why I'm working on that philips usbotg stack
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17:14:27*petur must check out those universal host specs just in case h300 or x5 is compatible
17:17:59peturcurrently, the stack on h300 fails getting various descriptors from the device. Once that works, it should load the class driver :)
17:18:23peturI probably screwed up the malloc hack I inserted
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17:19:42amiconngah, malloc
17:19:48peturindeed
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17:21:00peturin this case it's quite normal because you never know how many interfaces the device has, so they allocate mem for each one
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17:25:23amiconnBut there is an upper limit (8 afaik)
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17:25:52amiconnBtw, what was the problem with Vbus?
17:26:03peturme not enabling it?
17:26:27amiconnumm
17:26:29peturstupid coding error
17:27:28amiconnCoding errors can indeed be stupid... that's why my 80GB sector cache didn't work in the first try at devcon...
17:27:37amiconnJust forgot to invert a bitmask...
17:27:51peturwell I verified that the things we found through RE are correct, so not too bad that I did the tracing
17:29:06amiconnAnd you know about SMD diodes now ;)
17:29:15peturhehe
17:29:26peturthat was stupid indeed
17:29:54peturyou'd never guess I actually have a diploma in electronics
17:30:10peturjust never did anything with it and I forgot most about it
17:37:00markunrockbox is not really an advantage on the Gigabeat unless you are blind?? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-05/0286.shtml
17:38:04GodEaterhahaha
17:38:11GodEater"unless you want all the extra features"
17:38:20GodEaterisn't that kind of the point ? :)
17:38:41krazykitthe default firmware made me want to kick something, and i only used it for 30 seconds
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17:39:28*GodEater never booted into the OF even once
17:39:33GodEaterI don't even know what it looks like
17:39:36markunas if NOT encrypting the music is a feature of rockbox..
17:39:42GodEaterand the install CD that came with it is a coaster now :)
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17:40:00amiconnI cannot comment on the gigabeat OF, but on most targets it's not just more features and format support
17:41:59amiconnIt's sometimes even a quantum leap, ranging from longer battery life (except PP targets), better sound quality, easier handling, faster booting, and independency from certain annoyance tools (like itunes)
17:41:59*GodEater is puzzled what it's about in that case
17:42:11GodEaterI call all those things features =/
17:43:00markunGodEater: well, then you agree with that guy, it offers nothing besides the added features :)
17:45:45GodEaterI guess so - if you put it like that. He makes it sound like it's a stretch to want them.
17:48:33toffe82nobody wants a X60, shipping is a little expensive : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=015&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=250117869748&rd=1&rd=1
17:50:06n1stoffe82: meh, it ships to usa only...
17:50:17amiconnNo X80 or X100?
17:50:21toffe82yes but 35$ for us , it is exepnsive
17:50:34toffe82amiconn: no ;)
17:51:11perldiverI'd definitely advise rockboxing if blind. If not there
17:51:11perldiverisn't much of an advantage
17:51:13perldiverHA HA
17:51:15krazykityou could probably put one of toshiba's ipod hard drives in the gigabeat
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17:51:45krazykitlooks like the same size, but i'd want to check before trying
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17:52:29amiconntoffe82: What type of connector do the gigabeat harddrives have? Classic ata (like the irivers and iaudios) or zif (like the ipods)?
17:52:56toffe82zif for the X and female for the F
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17:56:38Ioon1hello
17:57:04Ioon1its possible to use opengl es in rockbox, where i can found information, thanks
17:58:21n1sloon1: none of our supported targets have open gl hardware
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18:00:19desowinI understand that Gigabeat have 300Mhz, but why pleayer would have GPU ? :O
18:01:13markunIoon1: I think it's possible with the Gigabeat S
18:01:31markunbut that's not rockbox supported (yet)
18:01:54krazykitit'd be cool if it was. there are occasionally really good deals on the S-series
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18:02:11perldivertoffe82 that user doesnt accept paypal
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18:02:30markunIoon1: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=02XPgQ8217297336425774
18:02:36perldivertoffe82 only Money order/Cashiers check
18:02:51Ioon1ok thans
18:02:54perldiverfishy
18:03:04markunIoon1: that CPU is also in the Zune
18:03:07markunand Gigabeat V
18:03:17toffe82perldiver: yes, I just saw this, and it is a new seller also
18:03:34perldiveryeah but he registered in 02
18:03:54Ioon1mmm, i have and ipot 5g
18:04:06toffe82perldiver: you want it ;)
18:04:21perldivertoffe82 im not so sure :P
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18:06:49markunIoon1: are you working on some project or why do you ask?
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18:07:25n1smarkun: according to the GigabeatSInfo page in our wiki the Gigabeat S has the i.MX31L which doesn't have the gpu part...
18:07:43toffe82perldiver: perhaps he is buinyg to the chinese and resell here, that would explain the 35$ ;)
18:08:14Ioon1i develop a 3d medical image for nokia mobile.
18:08:37perldivertoffe82 ha, but yes i thought so too, those are connected
18:08:48toffe82nls : no gpu but 533Mhz, so a lot of cpu power for just sound
18:09:07n1stoffe82: you might even call it overkill :-)
18:09:08toffe82perldiver: I send him an email
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18:09:12Ioon1with opengl and c++. I have a ipot and change firmware for backbox, in pluging i see a cube program and think its made with opengl
18:10:02Domonoky_cube is not opengl, its handcoded..
18:10:21Ioon1yes i see, jeje
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18:11:16Ioon1opengl have and example of the same cube
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18:12:38darkskiezIoon1: dicom compatible? :)
18:13:00Ioon1yes
18:13:11darkskiezfancy
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18:23:05markunn1s: ah.. good point
18:23:55markun:)
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18:30:57Ioon1it's possible compile opengl es from sources in balckbox ¿?
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18:33:22Domonoky_Ioon1: whats balckbox ?
18:33:35Ioon1linux distro
18:33:54Ioon1mmm, sorry, jeje
18:34:04Ioon1blackbox == rockbox
18:34:14Domonoky_:-)
18:34:24Domonoky_so no linux distro.. :-)
18:34:37Ioon1yes, sorry, sorry
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18:34:40desowinblackbox was C64 cartridge ;-)
18:35:02Ioon1or gui desktop
18:35:40Domonoky_and i dont think its possible to compile opengl for rockbox, and it would be a bit overkill on these small machines.. :-)
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18:38:52VPN-UserHello there
18:39:04markunhi VPN-User
18:39:11VPN-UserDid anyone dig into the battery problem on the recorders v1?
18:39:24VPN-UserOr am I the only one with that problem?
18:40:10VPN-UserI know most of you don' t use (test) them anymore
18:40:28markunmost of us don't even have one I think
18:40:32VPN-UserIt' s rather old (but I like it ;-))
18:40:50VPN-UserYes
18:41:25VPN-UserBut IMHO its a shame that rockbox doesn' t run properly anymore on this device. I mean rockbox was born on these...
18:41:52markunyes, it's a shame if it doesn't
18:42:01markunmaybe amiconn can help you?
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18:42:42VPN-UserThere were a lot "hm" and "..." last time I mentioned the problem ;-)
18:42:50Nico_PI think there are few people with recorders here
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18:43:33VPN-UserFunny thing is: Stock firmware charges the battery properly so it' s defenitely not a hardware problem
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18:47:03VPN-UserI guess I have to dig into C, checkout a very old rockbox build and try to backport it into current rockbox code...
18:47:23VPN-UserI mean the battery-code
18:48:13VPN-UserOr is there anyone with a flashable stock firmware so I can get rid of rockbox?
18:48:49VPN-UserO got the rockbox-virus ^^
18:49:12VPN-Userit infected the charging-algorithm :)
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18:51:24Domonoky_VPN-User: you dont have the backup from when you flashed your archos first ?
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18:52:25BagderI would guess you suffer from a bug that has been in there for ages
18:52:46Bagderthere's just not enough recorder users these days
18:52:55Bagderto discover bugs I mean
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18:57:35n1sis it bad to put the range checking of a function parameter inside the function instead of doing it before calling the function?
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18:59:03VPN-User@Bagder I may help bugfixing
18:59:19VPN-UserI experience this problem since rockbox 2.4
18:59:59VPN-User@Domonoky_: No, I don' t :(
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19:01:13mpeccorinin1s: I think it's better that way, otherwise you end up range checking every time you use the function
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19:02:16n1smpeccorini: yes I know, I was tinking of moving range checking of the volume into the sound_set_volume function but wonderd if there was a reason it was done the way it was
19:02:25mpeccorinin1s: however, if you do, you need to check the result of the function for errors in the parameter ranges :p
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19:03:36mpeccorinin1s: I would move it, otherwise, someone could call the function with a value out of the range and cause unpredictable results
19:03:41n1smpeccorini: well, in the case of volume we just do a if(value<min_vol) value=min_vol and if (value>max_vol) value=max_vol
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19:04:09n1smpeccorini: ok, i will move it, and see if anyone complains :-)
19:04:21linuxstbn1s: IIUC, the general rule in Rockbox is not to range check function parameters inside the function, but to make it the caller's responsibility to do things right.
19:04:21mpeccorinin1s: exactly, that part is better done inside the function, there's absolutely no other way of handling the situation
19:04:37linuxstbBut of course there are exceptions...
19:06:36n1slinuxstb: ah, ok, I'll move the wrapper function that checks the value out of gwps-common.c and put it in misc.c and use it in more places instead then :-)
19:06:53VPN-UserQuestion: Why not just revert the old charging-code that worked?
19:07:18VPN-Userat least for recorder-builds...
19:07:57DerPapstusing the wrapper in more places sounds like a waste of binsize...
19:11:59n1sDerPapst: well, it's a save compared to doing the same checks in many places
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19:18:32linuxstbn1s: That volume changing code looks odd to me. Couldn't the inc/dec code just be "if (volume < max_vol) volume++;" ? (and the same for decrementing).
19:19:24n1slinuxstb: yes, I guess so
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19:21:15n1slinuxstb: hmm, I think it's the way it is because it checks both limits at the same time
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19:21:58pixelmaVPN-User: your description sounds a bit vague... (which code to revert to? was it really better at one point?)
19:22:04pixelmayou'd have to make sure that it would work correctly _now_ with an older version of rockbox (and the batteries you use). If you can compile yourself, you could try to find out when exactly it broke.
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19:23:12VPN-Userpixelma: Yes it was! Rockbox 2.3 at least charged the battery. perhaps not optimal for a long battery lifetime, but at least for long playtime (15h instead of only ~1h now)
19:23:35amiconnDid you use 2.3 with _the same_ batteries _now_?
19:23:55amiconnBatteries vary among manufacturers, and they also suffer from aging
19:24:06VPN-Userthey are relatively new
19:24:11VPN-Userabout 4 months old
19:24:17VPN-User2400mAh
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19:24:25amiconnYes, so did you test rockbox 2.3 with *this* set of batteries?
19:24:30VPN-Userno
19:24:34amiconnsee
19:24:38VPN-Userhm
19:24:51VPN-UserI just sticked to ROLOing to stock firmware for charging
19:24:53VPN-Userbut this sucks
19:25:17amiconnI know the charging algo on the recorder v1 isn't as good as it could be, but in fact it improved a lot compared to what 2.3 or even 2.5 had
19:25:30VPN-Usernot for me :)
19:25:36VPN-Userit only charges for about an hour
19:25:43VPN-Userthen changes to top off charging
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19:25:55VPN-Userthis is way too fast
19:25:58amiconnYou can't tell unless you test 2.3 with your current batteries
19:26:05VPN-UserI will
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19:26:36amiconnI have a recorder v1 myself, and use it, with 2700mAh batteries
19:26:44VPN-Userbut the batteries i had before had the same problems BTW
19:26:45amiconnIt charges okay, though not optimal
19:27:25VPN-Userdo you chanrge using 12V?
19:27:26amiconnBut then I have bad thru very bad experience with high capacity classical NiMH in general (everything above ~2000mAh)
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19:27:34amiconnI am using the stock charger
19:27:55VPN-Userthe cable of my stock charger broke
19:28:00VPN-Userso i bought another one
19:28:13amiconnThe new generation NiMHs (available from several manufacturers now) are a quantum leap
19:28:24VPN-Useras i said
19:28:30VPN-Userthey are relatively recent
19:28:37amiconnThe classical ones have a self-discharge rate that makes them unusable over weeks, or even days
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19:29:34amiconnThe new ones (like Ansmann max-e, Varta ready-to-run or Sanyo eneloop) promise to keep charge for more than a year
19:29:40VPN-Userhttp://www.akkushop.de/product_info.php?products_id=3734
19:30:05amiconnclassical ones...
19:30:08VPN-User:(
19:30:38VPN-Userstill
19:30:48VPN-Useri wonder why stock firmware charges them good but rockbox does not
19:30:55VPN-Userthe problem has to be rockbox, nor?
19:30:58amiconnThe new generation is only available as 2000mAh (Sanyo) or 2100mAh (most others)
19:31:13amiconnRockbox, or battery contacts
19:31:26VPN-Usercontects?
19:31:30VPN-Usera
19:31:42amiconnThe charging characteristic of some newer cells might be a problem for the rockbox charging algo
19:31:51VPN-UserThat may be true
19:32:15VPN-UserThese batteries raise extremely fast regarding voltage during charging
19:32:18amiconnThat's fixable, but working on the charging algo is time consuming
19:32:51VPN-UserI can imagine :). At least a test-run takes several hours
19:33:25amiconn...because you need to test full charging cycles over and over, and a proper full charging cycle for 2400mAh cells will take ~10 hours
19:33:43amiconnANd you have to discharge inbetween
19:33:48VPN-Userno :).
19:33:56VPN-Userit only takes about an hour :)
19:34:03VPN-Userif it takes longer, its fixed ^^
19:34:06amiconna *proper* ....
19:34:37amiconnBtw, for me charging *does* take way longer than an hour, but I also don't get full charge from rockbox charging
19:34:52amiconnMy estimation is about 80% charge
19:35:05VPN-User2700mAh is a lot
19:35:12amiconnyes
19:35:18VPN-Usermost normal chargers even can' t handle that
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19:35:50amiconnStill, I've put a set of those new-generation cells in my archos Studio. *Way* better than the 2700mAh cells in my recorder...
19:36:09VPN-Userdo you have an url for a set of these?
19:36:22VPN-Userso i can look for a shop in germany to get them
19:37:05VPN-Userbut i really hesitate to just buy new batteries for a problem that has low chances to be solved by this action.
19:39:11amiconnThese: http://www.eneloop.info/208.html these: http://www.ansmann.de/cms/de/consumroot/batteries/rechargeable/maxe.html or these: http://www.varta-consumer.de/content.php?path=/1161331557.html&domain=www.varta-consumer.de
19:41:58amiconnAlso these: http://www.acculoop.com/
19:42:01VPN-Userso you say the very high capacity batteries are bad?
19:42:48amiconnI have bad experience with them myself. Not only in the archos, but also in other devices
19:43:21VPN-Userokay
19:43:32amiconnEven if they were charged fully, after storing the device a few months, batteries are dead when trying to use the device :(
19:43:40VPN-UserOk I consider buying a few of them
19:43:51VPN-UserAnsmann sounds like a good name for batteries
19:44:02VPN-UserI have an Ansmann charger
19:45:16VPN-Userhttp://www.akku-shop-berlin.de/product_info.php/info/p6009_Ansmann-Max-e-1-2V-2100mAh-Ni-MH-Mignon-AA-im-4er-Blister.html
19:46:39VPN-UserIn fact I experienced extremely intensive self-discharging with my current batteries
19:46:59VPN-UserIn a week after charging the rockbox display even did not light up...
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19:50:03*amiconn knows that from his Player, before changing batteries to the new-gen NiMH...
19:50:03MikeGR1981hi all ipod fans!
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19:50:26amiconnJust that it didn't even take a week, 2..3 days were sufficient
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19:50:52MikeGR1981can anyone knows about dual boot (rockbox and apple) for ipod 5g
19:50:55MikeGR1981?
19:51:17desowinpress menu while booting ?
19:51:47bluebrotherenable the hold switch while booting
19:52:16*desowin got lost of track :(
19:53:01bluebrotherand read the manual, it's stated there
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19:53:14MikeGR1981nothing...
19:53:15bluebrother(in the "quick start" chapter)
19:53:28bluebrotherplease define "nothing"
19:53:51MikeGR1981i try both but nothing
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19:54:41bluebrotherdid you try in the right moment? Have you got a "settings cleared" message?
19:54:41desowinhold play to shut down player, and then press anything to boot, and while it's booting set on hold
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19:55:52MikeGR1981sorry
19:55:54MikeGR1981sorry
19:55:58MikeGR1981thanx!
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19:56:21MikeGR1981can i install the ipod linux with rockbox and apple?
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19:56:44desowinyes, but ipodlinux unsupported by rockbox
19:57:05Fu7urE101but can't I triboot?
19:57:18bluebrotheryou can.
19:57:28Fu7urE101coo
19:57:32Fu7urE101rockbox seems aight
19:57:36bluebrotheryou can even boot ipl using the rockbox bootloader.
19:57:37Fu7urE101I'm gonna install today
19:57:44Fu7urE101yeah
19:57:44scorcheuse real words please..
19:57:52Fu7urE101...
19:58:02*Fu7urE101 looks for non-real words
19:58:12desowinslang = non-real
19:58:12scorche"coo" aight"
19:58:18Fu7urE101ummm
19:58:23Fu7urE101where are your ops?
19:58:28scorchewhat does it matter?
19:58:31MikeGR1981bluebrother: is ipodlinux better than rockbox?
19:58:37Fu7urE101it matters that you can stfu
19:58:40Fu7urE101because you don't matter
19:58:45Fu7urE101I wasn't talking to you
19:59:03bluebrotheripl has a completely different target. It's about running uclinux on the ipod. Rockbox is only about playing music (well, mostly ;-)
19:59:14Fu7urE101yeah
19:59:14Mode"#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
19:59:17Fu7urE101seems like
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19:59:29desowinMikeGR1981: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_does_Rockbox_compare_to_i_Po
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19:59:54The-CompilerMikeGR1981: In my opination, iPodLinux is very unstable and slow
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20:00:21The-Compiler*opinion
20:00:28*scorche sighs
20:00:32MikeGR1981hm..
20:00:37MikeGR1981thanx again
20:00:53MikeGR1981i'm new ipod user...
20:01:11krazykiti like the line "if you are someone that gets all hot and bothered by seeing a bash prompt"
20:01:32desowinMikeGR1981: if you're useruse rockbox, if you're nerd use ipodlinux, that would be my view
20:02:26scorchemost of us are "nerds" and love Rockbox ;)
20:02:51desowinno, most of rockboxers are geeks ;-)
20:02:57bluebrotherhmm. Should I consider myself a Rockbox-nerd? ;-)
20:02:57scorchehaha
20:02:59ducbianYeah, i'm a nerd and i like rockbox - besides bash isn't much use with out a keyboard :-)
20:03:01*scorche raises his glass
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20:04:28scorchei do love how people think the rules dont matter just because there is no op in the channel...
20:04:40scorcheand welcome back
20:04:50 Nick Stalrim is now known as Fu7urE101 (n=bleh@152.12.48.46)
20:04:54Fu7urE101actually
20:04:56scorcheare you going to play nice now just because i am opped?
20:05:00Fu7urE101I didn't curse at anyone
20:05:00Fu7urE101no
20:05:05Fu7urE101I'm playing as I was before
20:05:07Fu7urE101I came for info
20:05:09Fu7urE101that's all
20:05:11Fu7urE101not to idle
20:05:14Fu7urE101or to even chat
20:05:15bluebrotherip addresses are nice to recognize people :)
20:05:15Fu7urE101now
20:05:17Fu7urE101yes
20:05:18Fu7urE101they are
20:05:24Fu7urE101but I mean
20:05:26desowinbe polite when asking (that would be my suggestion)
20:05:30scorche[11:58:33] <Fu7urE101> it matters that you can stfu
20:05:30scorche[11:58:37] <Fu7urE101> because you don't matter
20:05:34Fu7urE101ummm
20:05:38Fu7urE101as I remember
20:05:44Fu7urE101in my initial conversation
20:05:47Fu7urE101I was very polit
20:05:49Fu7urE101and respectful
20:05:51Fu7urE101until
20:05:56Fu7urE101You came out of the blue
20:06:00Fu7urE101with your comment
20:06:01desowinand please write long sentences
20:06:02scorcheand use more than one word per sentance please..
20:06:03krazykitthe enter key is not the spacebar :-(
20:06:03ducbianYou know, you can actually get more than four words on a line Fu7urE101?
20:06:07bluebrotheruntil what? Someone asked you to follow the channel guidelines?
20:06:08Fu7urE101wtf
20:06:24Fu7urE101I've never seen anyone get upset in the way anyone types
20:06:32Fu7urE101I'll be back
20:06:35krazykitobviously you're not used to support channels then
20:06:36Fu7urE101afk
20:06:38Fu7urE101yeah
20:06:39Fu7urE101well
20:06:43Fu7urE101yeah I am
20:06:48Fu7urE101brb
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20:06:51bluebrotherwriting one word per line is annyoing. It makes it hard for the others to follow
20:06:57bluebrotherwell. Too late.
20:07:00*krazykit facepalms
20:07:12*scorche gets "/mode #rockbox -q *!bleh@152.12.48.46" ready
20:07:20scorcheerrrr...better make that a +
20:07:49MikeGR1981bluebrother: i have a little problem with crossfading songs with rockbox
20:08:41bluebrotherMikeGR1981: don't know if I know the solution, but just ask. Then we'll see ;-)
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20:08:44MikeGR1981when a song change rockbox dosent crossfading the track
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20:08:58bluebrotherI assume you enabled crossfading?
20:09:05The-CompilerMikeGR1981: Have you set a crossfading time?
20:09:40MikeGR1981crossfading time?
20:10:01bluebrotheryou can set the time for fade in / fade out separately.
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20:11:01The-CompilerMikeGR1981: Maybe you have set these times to zero, so crossfading is disabled
20:11:28*bluebrother looks at his player and wonders if the value 0 for all those times is the default
20:11:56MikeGR1981i have set crossfade -always-
20:12:02kkurbjunscorche the ticket prices came down today
20:12:10MikeGR1981fade in delay 3 sec
20:12:10scorcheoooo...goody!
20:12:19The-Compilerbluebrother: it is afaik
20:12:21kkurbjun:)
20:12:25MikeGR1981fade in duration 3 sec
20:12:38MikeGR1981fade out delay 2 sec
20:12:47scorchethat happens once in a while, but typically it is better to play it safe and buy early still ;)
20:12:50MikeGR1981fade out delay 2 sec
20:13:02MikeGR1981fade out mode mix
20:13:31kkurbjuntrue true
20:13:53bluebrotherhmm. Does it really make sense to have fade times of 0 as default while crossfade is disabled anyway?
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20:14:39n1sbluebrother: no :-)
20:16:39bluebrotherthen we should agree someone to change it ;-)
20:17:44MikeGR1981ok
20:17:46MikeGR1981its ok
20:17:55MikeGR1981thanks a lot
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20:18:31MikeGR1981have a nice day !
20:18:36MikeGR1981Mike From greece!
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20:20:00n1sbluebrother: what would be good defaults? keeping the delays at 0 but setting durations to 4 sec?
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20:21:12bluebrotherI'd say something a user will hear, but not too long. Maybe even a bit faster, 2 or 3 seconds.
20:22:16n1syeah, 2 sec will be good
20:22:23*n1s changes
20:22:28bluebrotherbut in any case, I think it's better for the user to hear at least something than having it default to 0
20:22:50bluebrotheroh, have we already agreed on that change? That was fast ;-)
20:23:40n1swell, I really don't think anyone will complain :-)
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20:25:00bluebrothern1s: working on binary size reduction? Nice.
20:26:12n1sbluebrother: thanks :-) I see some things when browsing the code sometimes and see if I can make it more compact :-)
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20:46:28Fu7urE101First I'd like to apoligize because I went to the site again and read the chatroom/forum rules
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20:46:38Fu7urE101I had no idea there was a lingo regulation
20:46:57scorchethat is why we put it in the topic =)
20:47:01*bluebrother points to the topic
20:47:09Fu7urE101yes i'm just so use to never reading
20:47:12*Fu7urE101 shrugs
20:47:17Fu7urE101I just don't curse at people
20:47:20Fu7urE101seems to work
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20:48:57bluebrotherreading is something you will get asked to do in the open source world quite often.
20:50:20Fu7urE101hmmm
20:51:32Fu7urE101I'll put it in perspective
20:51:40Fu7urE101I wasn't trying to be disrespectful to the rules
20:51:44Fu7urE101I was kinda in a hurry
20:51:48Fu7urE101but usually
20:51:56Fu7urE101I do read my instructions
20:52:13Fu7urE101just not irc o_O
20:52:53Fu7urE101I've seen many users say that once you go rockbox you'll never go back to ipl
20:53:06Fu7urE101you'd agree?
20:53:30bluebrotherI never used ipl seriously. Installed it only to try booting it using the Rockbox bootloader
20:53:45Fu7urE101ahh
20:53:54Fu7urE101it didn't overwrite the rockbox bootloader?
20:54:06bluebrotherbut playing music works fine with Rockbox, while I didn't like podzilla and how playing music didn't work :)
20:54:16Fu7urE101ahhh
20:54:28bluebrotherI installed manually. That installer didn't work, and I didn't want Loader2 anyway
20:54:36Fu7urE101I understand
20:55:18Fu7urE101from what I've read rockbox just seems easy and easily customizable
20:55:47bluebrotherwell, it has a load of options. That might be confusing, also together with its own concept
20:56:05bluebrotherwhich is explained in the manual, and really great once you get used to it.
20:56:23bluebrotherI don't understand how people can like apples user concept anymore ;-)
20:56:38Fu7urE101oh really?
20:56:58bluebrotheryes. But I bought the ipod to put Rockbox it anyway.
20:56:59Fu7urE101and all my previous music is recognized?
20:57:10Fu7urE101ohh ok
20:57:18Fu7urE101yeah I'd orignially planned on using ipl
20:57:19bluebrotheryes, unless it's encrypted (i.e. itunes music store)
20:57:21Fu7urE101before I bought it
20:57:23Fu7urE101ohh
20:57:27Fu7urE101screw itunes man
20:57:29Fu7urE101that's a rip off
20:57:50bluebrotherI don't care about itunes and their store. I prefer buying CDs.
20:58:19Fu7urE101indeed
20:58:24Fu7urE101I mean
20:58:30Fu7urE101you get an album with 12 songs
20:58:35Fu7urE101it costs 12 bucks
20:58:39Fu7urE101but an album with 20 songs
20:58:42Fu7urE101meh
20:58:50Fu7urE101they should lower the prices if you ask me
20:58:54Fu7urE101if they want people go to legit
20:59:49bluebrotherthey should never started those "copying" protection on CDs (which is in fact selling broken CDs with playback protection) and this DRM nonsense.
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21:00:04bluebrotherbut they seem to need really long to understand.
21:00:27PaulJamdidn't itunes start to sell DRM free music today?
21:00:54bluebrotherit did. Nice move, but I still don't want to install itunes. Won't run on my linux box anyway ;-)
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21:01:42scorchestill doesnt mean you get meaningful folders with itunes, sadly....or enable you to use more than XX computers with your ipod
21:02:52Fu7urE101well
21:02:58Fu7urE101I use all computer with mine
21:03:07Fu7urE101I just switched it to manual something
21:03:12Fu7urE101and I drag and drop
21:03:19badsheepythey shouldnt have spent 20 years establishing a music industry built on marketting and greed :o
21:03:29Fu7urE101of course with movies I have to use videora
21:03:38Fu7urE101well
21:03:39Fu7urE101badsheepy
21:03:47Fu7urE101the country is founded upon marketting and greed
21:03:52Fu7urE101what could you expect?
21:04:36badsheepythat the public fight back and pirate everything they possibly can until they stop it
21:04:46badsheepythats what i expected, and lo! here we are now :)
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21:10:48Fu7urE101no
21:10:54Fu7urE101pirating is not fighting back
21:11:03Fu7urE101imeem is a concept that seems to be fighting back
21:11:11Fu7urE101having music without actually having music
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21:12:27The-Compilerbye there
21:12:59tbaGGinanyone install igames?
21:13:14bluebrotherwhat is igames?
21:13:52tbaGGinthe ipod games
21:13:58tbaGGinones apple sells
21:14:06Fu7urE101I don't buy
21:14:09Fu7urE101from apple
21:14:12Fu7urE101only the hardware
21:14:12bluebrotherthis channel is about Rockbox, not apple ...
21:14:23Fu7urE101heh
21:14:26tbaGGinim talking about the games compatibility w/ rockbox
21:14:52bluebrotherRockbox is a completely new firmware. There is no compatibility to any commercial software
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21:15:15bluebrotherhow should this work anyway? The interfaces of apple aren't publicly available afaik
21:15:18tbaGGinactually i guess its rockbox and ipodloader compatible
21:15:32tbaGGinsorry for confusion
21:15:35Fu7urE101so...could I rock rockbox with the apple loader?
21:15:41Fu7urE101or does it not allow dual boot
21:15:56bluebrotherpartly. You need a recent version of loader2 if you want to load Rockbox
21:16:15bluebrotherthe Rockbox bootloader can dual boot. It can even boot IPL, though that is a bit harder to set up
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21:16:33tbaGGincan ipl boot rockbox?
21:16:40bluebrotherwell, I found it even easier to set up, but I also didn't use the installer ;-)
21:16:41Fu7urE101I believe I saw it could
21:17:03bluebrotherscroll 1 minute up: you need a recent version of loader2
21:17:44bluebrotheri.e. some version later than 2.4. Not sure which version exactly.
21:18:00bluebrotherwith that you can load Rockbox. Older versions will crash with a data abort.
21:18:09Fu7urE101meh
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21:21:26Fu7urE101originally
21:21:40Fu7urE101I thought that rockbox worked on 5.5g ipods
21:21:44Fu7urE101I see it doesn't :(
21:21:47tbaGGinit does
21:21:50Fu7urE101ahhh
21:21:52tbaGGinim running now
21:21:55Fu7urE101the manual said it didn't
21:21:56Fu7urE101cool
21:22:23Fu7urE101Does the battery last longer?
21:22:36bluebrotherRockbox works on the 5.5G since quite a while, but only since about a week on the 5.5G 80GB.
21:22:52bluebrotherthe Ipods have worse battery runtime than using AppleOS.
21:23:07Fu7urE101ohhh
21:23:24Fu7urE101so why is rockbox better than appleos?
21:23:25bluebrotherif the manual still says the 5.5G is not supported then your manual is outdated. It gets regenerated every day, so just grab a new version.
21:23:32Fu7urE101ohh ok
21:23:39Fu7urE101better in your opinion
21:23:59*bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
21:24:25Fu7urE101ohh yeah I could read that
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21:24:33Fu7urE101but I wanted your personal
21:24:39Fu7urE101it's cool though
21:24:55bluebrotherif you are not interested in the additional functionality and supported formats AppleOS might be the better choice for you. But I can't decide that
21:25:07bluebrothermost of my music is ogg, so AppleOS isn't working.
21:25:26bluebrotheradditionally, I used Rockbox before. And I want ReplayGain :)
21:26:34Fu7urE101Yeah well, I've only used AppleOS for a 2 weeks or so...I don't have a problem learning something new
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21:28:40Fu7urE101tbaGGin I'd use the ipodvideo 64mb download correct?
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21:29:57Fu7urE101for the 5.5g
21:31:36Fu7urE101hmm
21:32:00tbaGGingo to daily build
21:32:06bluebrotherfor the 60GB and 80GB, yes.
21:32:32bluebrotherand use the current build. There are no dailies anymore, only archived builds ;-)
21:32:51tbaGGin30 gb w/ search = 64 mb??
21:33:24bluebrotherafaik the 30GB has only 32 MiB RAM
21:33:29Fu7urE101ahh
21:33:40VPN-User"only"
21:33:42bluebrotherbut you could simply try the 64MiB build and see if it works ;-)
21:34:05bluebrothermy trusty old h120 has 32MiB ...
21:34:09VPN-UserMine has 2MiB RAM...
21:34:47bluebrotherthose archos devices are quite expensive at ebay.
21:35:02VPN-Useryou mean i should sell it
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21:35:50bluebrotherno. I looked after one to have a target for testing but they are too expensive.
21:36:35bluebrotherat least too expensive for me ;-)
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21:38:29tbaGGinwhats best way to dual boot?
21:39:38bluebrotheruse the Rockbox bootloader unless you (a) desparately need a graphical boot menu or (b) want to use IPL
21:43:51tbaGGinyou know of a write-up on this?
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21:51:07bluebrotherwrite-up on what? IPL's loader2?
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21:52:51tbaGGinno, u said use rockbox bootloader and wondering how to do this to dualboot
21:53:15BagdertbaGGin: it dualboots by default, as mentioned in the manual
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21:54:51tbaGGini mean with ipodlinux
21:55:02tbaGGinso triple boot in fact
21:55:10Bagderit can that as well
21:55:28BagderI just don't remember how to select ipl...
21:56:08pixelmasomeone ;) mentioned it in the forums...
21:56:18tbaGGinwas it you?
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21:56:28bluebrotherBagder: hold Play while booting
21:57:11bluebrotheryou need to install ipl, put the Rockbox bootloader on the Ipod and put the IPL kernel into the root of the FAT partition named "linux.bin"
21:57:21bluebrotherthat's it.
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21:58:52saratogawhat do i need to add to viewers.config to enable a plugin
21:58:58saratogaI.E. the codec_test plugin
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22:01:19bluebrothersaratoga: something like this: mp3,viewers/test_codec,-
22:01:30tbaGGinthanks for the help blue, im going to try now
22:05:40saratogawhat does the last number mean?
22:05:43saratogacan i just put a dash?
22:06:18bluebrotherthe last number denotes the icon. If you put a dash it doesn't use an icon iirc.
22:06:19n1ssaratoga: it's the icon index a dash mean sno icon afaik
22:06:46bluebrothernot sure if there was a default "no icon" icon or simply empty
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22:13:04purplegreendavecan anyone point me in the direction of free software which enables me to a) resize a video and b) change the audio sampling rate?
22:13:16krazykitpurplegreendave, winff should do that
22:13:26krazykitand do it easily
22:13:49krazykitmencoder will too, but it's more of a pain to work with
22:14:08saratogabluebrother: I've now got a test_codec.rock, but it doesn't show up in the plugins menu
22:14:19saratogado i have to do something else to register it?
22:14:21purplegreendaveyeah i tried it and i couldnt get it to work at all. will try winff thanks
22:14:26bluebrothersaratoga: it's a viewer −− use the context menu and then open with
22:15:56saratogathanks
22:16:09saratogacodec_test says mp3 decodes at 38000% realtime
22:16:19Bagderhehe
22:16:22saratogaanyone else had that happen?
22:16:24bluebrotherROTFL.
22:16:31bluebrothercool number :)
22:16:33saratogatried a few files, all decode instantly
22:17:00bluebrotheron what target do you try?
22:17:41saratogasansa
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22:18:09bluebrotherstrange. Maybe the test file is a bit short?
22:18:34bluebrotherI tried it on the mini, and it was muuuch slower ;-)
22:18:47*linuxstb is impressed with saratoga's mp3 optimisations...
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22:21:04saratogarunning the codec_test program on my sansa seems to disable audio
22:21:15saratogaafterwards i just get codec failure messages
22:23:46saratogalinuxstb: you around?
22:24:55linuxstbYes
22:25:19saratogai'm building an SVN build now to test the codec test plugin again
22:25:25saratogahave you heard of anyone using it on the sansa?
22:25:27preglowsaratoga: so they didn't use a week in getting it to you after all? :)
22:25:49saratogathey said June 11th up until 6 hours after it got here
22:26:16saratogai actually already had it when I was complaining last night, just hadn't gone outside and noticed the package
22:26:16linuxstbsaratoga: I can't remember anyone mentioning using it on the sansa, but I can't think why it wouldn't work.
22:26:23preglowhey, sounds like they share the tracking system with the postal service here
22:26:31saratogaha
22:27:22Faemiranyone know the button for use in doom plugin, like flip a switch?
22:27:28Fu7urE101bluebrother: I'm sorry to reask the question, but where do I find loader2?
22:27:29Faemiron an ipod
22:27:54Fu7urE101I understand
22:28:10linuxstbFu7urE101: http://www.google.com/search?q=loader2
22:28:10Fu7urE101but I thought to dual boot with appleOs instead of rockbox I needed another file
22:28:15Fu7urE101yeah I searched that
22:28:18Fu7urE101looking at it now
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22:30:06Fu7urE101screw it
22:30:09Fu7urE101i'll just use rockbox
22:30:43linuxstbThe Rockbox bootloader lets you dual-boot. Or are you wanting to use IPL?
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22:32:40robin0800in mailing lists rockbox.cvs commits exists should this nnow be rockbox.svn commits?
22:32:40Fu7urE101I was gonna use ipl bootloader
22:32:41Fu7urE101that's all
22:32:42Fu7urE101really
22:32:43DBUGEnqueued KICK Fu7urE101
22:32:43Fu7urE101but
22:32:57Fu7urE101rockbox can't see my original music files?
22:33:59linuxstbFu7urE101: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
22:34:27Fu7urE101thx
22:34:28Fu7urE101whoops
22:34:29Fu7urE101Thanks
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22:37:18saratogalinuxstb: do I need to make an entry in the viewers file for each format I want to use with codec test?
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22:38:28linuxstbsaratoga: No, just one.
22:38:40saratogadoes the file extension even matter then?
22:38:45linuxstbNo.
22:38:47Fu7urE101Installing themes/fonts and such I just copy to the root folder?
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22:41:44Bagderyou find the manual unclear?
22:42:14Fu7urE101well Im reading it
22:42:18Fu7urE101but if someone were to say
22:42:21Fu7urE101'yes;
22:42:27Fu7urE101that would make it a lot easier
22:42:29Fu7urE101if I do it once
22:42:30Fu7urE101I have it
22:42:32Bagderok then: no
22:42:35Fu7urE101thank you
22:42:54Bagderor perhaps yes
22:42:59Bagderit depends on what you mean
22:43:25Fu7urE101just themes
22:43:27Fu7urE101and fonts
22:43:36Fu7urE101rocbox.org provides the downloads
22:43:50Fu7urE101but no instruction with them
22:43:51Fu7urE101not sure
22:43:55Fu7urE101if I have to unzip the files
22:45:27Fu7urE101I think I got it
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22:45:58saratogalinuxstb: thanks, stock SVN build works with test codec, must be the wma patch I was experimenting with that broke it
22:47:51Fu7urE101no I didn't
22:48:48linuxstbFu7urE101: Compare the directory structure in the zip you're trying to install with the directory structure already on your ipod in the .rockbox folder - it should then become clear.
22:49:47Fu7urE101well, I unzipped the theme I'd like to the theme folder and the fonts to the rockbox folder
22:49:52Fu7urE101I got fonts to work I believe
22:49:57Fu7urE101but as far as the theme
22:49:57Fu7urE101meh
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22:51:26Faemirfunnily enough, i'm having the same problem
22:51:41Faemir:\
22:52:03Fu7urE101ohh
22:52:06Fu7urE101I might have fixed it
22:52:28Fu7urE101I copied the theme out of the theme folder within that unzipped files to the base theme folder in rockbox
22:53:17Fu7urE101no :(
22:53:42bluebrotherwell. It's in fact quite easy, especially when you have a look at the present folder structure
22:53:56bluebrotherthere is a file with the extension wps, this goes into /.rockbox/wps
22:54:11bluebrotherthere is a file called <themename>.cfg, this goes to /.rockbox/themes
22:54:18bluebrotherand .fnt file go to /.rockbox/fonts
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22:54:47bluebrothera theme zip should usually provide this folder structure so you can extract it to the root of the player
22:54:52Faemirdo themes only work in the daily builds? or both version?
22:55:40bluebrotherthere is no real difference between daily and current build. In fact, you should use the current build unless there is a reason
22:56:31Fu7urE101sweet
22:56:32Fu7urE101thanks
22:56:44webguest14Hello, Is it possible to have an option while downloading something that allows NON-zipped files to be downloaded? I have a trial version of Win-Zip and it is a pain to open the files.
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22:57:01saratogawebguest14: theres tons of free zip software
22:57:06Faemir7zip
22:57:12Faemiri would recommend for windows
22:57:12saratogai recommend you install something like 7zip
22:57:16Faemir:P
22:57:21webguest14Does it work as well?
22:57:24Faemiryes
22:57:32webguest14Oh...
22:57:33Faemirthough it doesn't read .ace
22:57:42Faemirthough that's mostly mac only stuff
22:57:42webguest14Thanks
22:57:43saratogarockbox doesn't use ace
22:57:46bluebrotherwho needs that strange format anyway?
22:57:54webguest14;)
22:58:07bluebrotherI don't use winzip or winrar anymore. Both crap :p
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22:58:24Fu7urE101I still like winrar
22:58:24Faemiri use tar >=3
22:58:45Faemirbluebrother, what would you say is the best free one for windows?
22:58:51bluebrother7zip can do tar, gz and bz2. Everything that's really needed ;-)
22:59:04bluebrotherI only use 7zip on windows.
22:59:05Faemir:D
22:59:32bluebrotherthe interface might not be the most polished, but it works the way I want to and doesn't nag me to buy it.
22:59:37Faemiryup
22:59:53Faemirthough it would be nice if there was an easy way to replace those icons
22:59:57Faemirperhaps a set of .pngs
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23:00:00badsheepyat the cost of a nag button, winrar is much much more functional imo
23:00:15Faemirwhy?
23:00:31badsheepywell for a start it supports all the archive formats 7zip does
23:00:36badsheepyas well as all the ones it doesnt
23:00:43Faemirwhich are 99.99% of the time all you need
23:00:49badsheepynot if you need a rar :P
23:00:52Bagderrar is evil
23:01:00badsheepyany particular reason :)
23:01:01Nico_Pwhy ?
23:01:05Faemirwhy would you /need/ to compress to rar
23:01:07Bagderbecause its closed
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23:01:25Faemiryou might /need/ to open a rar, which it can do.
23:01:28bluebrotherwhy use winrar when 7zip supports the same formats?
23:01:46Faemirexcept .ace and a few other obscure ones
23:01:50bluebrotherfor these rare cases there is unrar x :)
23:02:10Faemiri don't suppose anyone can clarify whether ipods can support themes /at all/?
23:02:11badsheepyso your objection is proprietary, my objection is functionality
23:02:14bluebrotherthe nag button of winrar is what made me install 7zip at my work pc.
23:02:18badsheepyguess its just where your priorities are :)
23:02:41linuxstbFaemir: Yes, Rockbox supports themes on ipods.
23:02:44Faemirthanks
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23:03:07Faemirit's just i have all the things in the right folders, yet when i select them it just makes the bg white, fg black >_>
23:03:16Fu7urE101thanks everyone
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23:03:41Faemiri have icons enabled, is there anythign else i need to enable?
23:05:07n1sFaemir: which theme are you trying to use?
23:05:17Faemirany of them
23:05:23Faemirthough preferrably tango
23:05:38n1sand all of them make the colors go black/white?
23:06:12Faemiror don't change anything
23:06:17n1sand what happends if you select one of the included themes?
23:06:41Faemirunicatcher is default isn't it?
23:07:25n1snope, the umm rockbox default is
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23:07:34n1svery dull thing with peakmeter
23:07:51Faemiricons-rockbox-default?
23:08:02Faemiror rockbox-default-icons?
23:08:36n1stry the one called rockboxed
23:08:41Faemirdone
23:08:45Faemirit makes the bg yellow
23:08:51Faemirblack text, changes the font
23:08:57Faemirstill the nasty icons :P
23:09:16n1sFaemir: ok so that works ok
23:09:18Faemirif they can be called icons
23:09:38Faemiri will put current build back on instead of daily
23:09:49bluebrotherall shipped themes use the same icons
23:09:53n1sFaemir: yes, they are the default icons, they can be customized tho
23:09:57bluebrotheryou need to download other icons separately
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23:10:01Faemiri did
23:10:02saratogai'm trying to update the wma decoder to at least load in rockbox, however I get a "No File!" message when rockbox tries to load a WMA file
23:10:04Faemirthat's the dodgy thing
23:10:08saratogaany ideas where I should start looking?
23:10:33n1sFaemir: so when you say that themes don't work you mean that the themes work but the icons don't change?
23:10:56jac0bthe new hotswap patch for the sansa is failing on line 46
23:11:12Faemirthe icons don't change, the background doesn't change (except rockboxed changes it to plain yellow), and usually the font doesn't change
23:11:56linuxstbsaratoga: Is the wma decoder a viewer plugin?
23:12:06saratogano, its an actual codec
23:12:08Faemir(oh and also, what is the different between ipod video and ipod video 64mb, or rather when do you use the 64mb one instead?)
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23:12:18bluebrotherthe default themes aren't too fancy. Don't expect too much to change
23:12:19saratogai wanted to be able to use the test_codec plugin to run it
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23:12:35Faemirbluebrother, i downloaded the entire lot
23:12:37n1sFaemir: when you have a 60 or 80 GB ipod video
23:12:44bluebrotherthe 64MiB build is for the 60GB and 80GB models. They have a bigger memory
23:12:47WasmuthCan anyone tell me what the iPod 64 build is all about?
23:12:48n1sor maybe a 30 GB 5.5G
23:12:54Faemirwhich i have
23:13:01n1sWasmuth: read the last fe lines
23:13:02linuxstbsaratoga: Is this the one on the patch tracker?
23:13:03Wasmuthok
23:13:10bluebrothermaybe? Afaik the 30GB is always 32MiB
23:13:12saratogalinuxstb: yes
23:13:21saratogathough i've modified it a good bit to make it compile
23:13:33n1sbluebrother: iiuc it's not confirmed for the 5.5G
23:13:36Wasmuthwoo Hoo! I have the 60GB - so I should be using the 64 version?
23:13:47n1syes
23:13:53FaemirxD
23:13:53WasmuthThank you very much
23:13:56bluebrothern1s: ok.
23:14:34n1sbluebrother: basically the test would be to install a 64MB build abd if it works it has 64MB ram
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23:15:57Faemiri think i know why the icons aren't working. i cannot open them, seems they are corrupt now somehow :\
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23:16:47linuxstbsaratoga: That patch isn't a codec, just a plugin.
23:17:05linuxstbsaratoga: Ignore that...
23:17:07frostyhi
23:17:34frostyI have a slight problem that's appeared since putting Rockbox on my iPod (nano, 1st gen) earlier
23:17:43frosty(Rockbox seems pretty awesome, by the way :) )
23:17:48Faemirdamn right :D
23:17:56linuxstbsaratoga: The codec is there, but there is no change to the core code to use it (as far as I can see).
23:17:56Faemir(frozen bubble FTW)
23:18:13frostyI can't play any of my music purchased from the iTunes store - using the normal Apple firmware!
23:18:21frostyIt just skips all the tracks.
23:18:50frostyI presume (hope) it'd work if I completely restore my iPod, but I'd like to keep both firmwares on there :(
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23:19:04frostyany ideas why this is?
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23:19:42saratogalinuxstb: just found this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToWriteCodecs
23:19:46Faemirperhaps god is punishing you for using the itunes store :P (sorry)
23:19:54saratogai'll look into make the other changes
23:20:08bluebrotherRockbox doesn't touch the files synced by apple. Have you changed something in the iPodControl folder?
23:20:22bluebrothersounds like the songs are present in the database but missing on the hard disk
23:20:23frostyI haven't.
23:20:26n1ssaratoga: I think the get_metadata function at the end of metadata.c is a place to look
23:20:36frostybluebrother: hmm :/
23:20:49frostyI've tried resyncing, but no good :/
23:20:57bluebrotheror your Itunesdb is corrupt. You could try floola
23:21:06frostylike I say, I imagine a proper restore would fix it
23:21:08frostyfloola?
23:21:10*frosty googles
23:21:20bluebrothernot sure if I spelled the name correctly. It should be able rebuilding the database
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23:24:59Faemirbleh, the files keep getting messed up. probably because i'm not safe disconnecting.
23:25:16f00fHi. I just finished setting up the dev environment. I'd like to know how to go about compiling the helloworld plugin. Does the Makefile decide which plugins get built?
23:25:39Bagderf00f: the SOURCES files decide what to compile
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23:26:02Bagderf00f: the SOURCES files decide what to compile
23:26:02saratogaf00f: theres a sources file in lots of directories, that lists which c files get made
23:26:14f00fthanks
23:26:50f00fAdding that to the wiki would probably be useful :)
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23:32:18saratogahow much actually needs to be defined just to get the codec to load?
23:32:25saratogai've added an entry to filetypes.c
23:33:12n1ssaratoga: wma is already included in the filetypes table
23:33:34saratogaopps
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23:33:42saratogaso what else do i need to edit?
23:33:48saratogathe page only lists some stuff about ID3 tags
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23:33:55saratogais that really necesarry?
23:34:17*petur wonders why the isp1362 is telling him the attached usbdevice is not responding :(
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23:34:28n1ssaratoga: saratoga I think rockbox uses the metadata reading to find out which codec to use
23:34:31Faemirhmm, the icons are still not loading :(
23:34:41linuxstbsaratoga: Yes, everything on that page is needed...
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23:35:22saratogaok then
23:35:24saratogathnaks
23:35:33frostyhmm
23:35:43frostyFloola broke on startup and I had to force quit it
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23:37:04n1ssaratoga: I think the codectype member of the mp3entry struct is important for example
23:37:31Faemiranyone got any ideas why no themes will work?
23:38:13bluebrotherfrosty: sorry, I just have heard it can fix those issues. No more ideas from my side, unfortunately
23:38:17robin0800perhaps they need patches
23:38:32frostybluebrother: ok, thanks
23:38:36Faemirwoop
23:38:43Faemirthey worked this time for some reason :S
23:38:57bluebrotherFaemir: (a) broken theme (the parser is now more strict than some time ago), (b) theme wrongly installed, (c) theme needs patches
23:39:10Faemiryeh, for some reason they worked this time
23:39:13Faemiri didn't even change anything
23:39:22Faemirjust connect to pc then disconnected :S
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23:48:01HappyGUYfromSWEhi everyone..!
23:48:10frostyhmm
23:48:22frostywell, I can play the songs off my ipod with floola
23:48:26frostyso they are on there
23:48:41HappyGUYfromSWERockbox works well on my 5.5G 80GB..! ^^ YES YES YES!!!!
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23:48:47Bagder:-)
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23:50:17HappyGUYfromSWEDoes someone have a sugestion of how to add songs? there are some ways to go now.
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23:50:52Bagdermany people just copy the songs using whatever method
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23:51:04frostyHappyGUYfromSWE: I just put rockbox on my nano, and just synced it normally with itunes
23:51:09frostyand got rockbox to scan for them
23:51:23frostyapparently that's not necessarily the best way, though
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23:51:30frostyyou get odd filenames
23:51:36HappyGUYfromSWEthat works. i use winamp ^^
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23:51:47HappyGUYfromSWEIt uses the itunes DB
23:52:03frostyI don't think it does - just the tags from the files
23:52:08f00fanother silly dev question: is it possible to build a single plugin without having to go through make && make install?
23:53:09f00fwhich takes a while
23:53:11HappyGUYfromSWEhmm... i will sleep on this.. :-) sleep tight.. Zzzzz
23:53:24bluebrotherI think there is make plugins
23:53:51bluebrotherfor the make install step you can simply copy the plugin output file.
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23:54:19f00fbut that checks for all plugins?
23:54:49bluebrotheryes.
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23:58:54stripwaxthe rockbox forum page uses an inordinate amount of cpu time on my laptop due to the fader.js - could it be rewritten to not call a jscript callback every 20ms please?

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