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00:03:25 | nls | mpeccorini, markun: hahah, adding __attribute__((__packed__)) to the mp3entry struct makes binsize increase 16KB for h300 :-) |
00:03:32 | webguest07 | hi i have a question. is there a way to install a theme that i already downloaded with the rockbox utility? |
00:03:40 | BRi7X | alright, after an hour of paypal sucking, my new gigabeat and zcover for said gigabeat are ordered! |
00:04:07 | mpeccorini | n1s: while it may seem obvious, I forgot to point out that pointers ( *something ) should be considered to have the size of the pointer only while arrays ( something[n] ) should be considered to have "n" times the size of the the array's type |
00:05:25 | nls | mpeccorini: I don't follow... |
00:06:20 | mpeccorini | if you have struct mystruct { int *int_pointer } the size is only the size of the pointer to the position in memory, not the size of the integer itself |
00:06:34 | BRi7X | i figured since i gave the ipod 3 chances, that's how many i'll give the gigabeat... actually, i'll give it one more chance, this is the last one. since the first one broke so quickly |
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00:06:59 | mpeccorini | while, if you have struct mystruct { int my_array[10] } the size is ten times the size of int |
00:07:19 | nls | mpeccorini: yeah, and the size of all pointers are the same, right? (for the same cpu) |
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00:07:46 | mpeccorini | n1s: right |
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00:08:14 | LycoLoco | hey guys, I've got a Gigabeat F40 and while I can get bookmarks to work with shorter files, such as music and whatnot, I can't seem to get them to work on longer files, such as podcasts. Since this podcasts are really the only place I use bookmarks, anyone have any ideas or suggestions? |
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00:08:31 | mpeccorini | n1s: just checking, did you apply the __attribute__((packed)) to the struct or to the members? it has to be to the struct |
00:08:35 | webguest07 | can someone please help me? i really want to know if i can i already tried it. please? |
00:08:37 | LycoLoco | When I say they don't work, I mean that when I try to make a bookmark by pressing right ont the pad, nothing happens |
00:09:19 | nls | mpeccorini: I did it with the struct, size increased 16KB :-) |
00:09:29 | Dorian_ | jw, but are current builds the same as nightly builds? |
00:09:46 | mpeccorini | I don't understand why can it increase |
00:10:50 | nls | Dorian_: current builds are built on every source change, nightlies (or as we call them archived builds) are built at a fixed time every night, so the difference should be minimal |
00:11:01 | nls | mpeccorini: well, gcc is strange :-) |
00:11:13 | Dorian_ | nls:thanks |
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00:12:35 | webguest07 | should i try asking for help some other time? |
00:12:55 | nls | webguest07: I did not understand your question |
00:12:59 | webguest07 | oh |
00:13:01 | webguest07 | hi |
00:13:06 | webguest07 | sorry |
00:13:31 | webguest07 | can i install more themes on my ipod using the rockbox utility? |
00:13:41 | nls | webguest07: yes |
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00:13:57 | webguest07 | but the themes that i already downloaded? |
00:14:08 | webguest07 | not the ones on the utility |
00:14:16 | linuxstb_ | Installing a theme is just copying the files to your ipod. |
00:14:36 | webguest07 | how do i install theme? |
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00:14:48 | linuxstb_ | The theme should be in a zip file which contains the correct folders - just extract that zip file to your ipod. |
00:14:54 | webguest07 | because when i do that manually they never work? |
00:15:20 | mpeccorini | if you did it the way linux told you, you may be missing some fonts |
00:15:33 | webguest07 | can i make the utility do that for me? |
00:15:40 | mpeccorini | that can make the theme fail to load |
00:15:45 | webguest07 | can it install them for me? |
00:15:48 | linuxstb_ | webguest07: It may not be your fault - some themes require unofficial versions of Rockbox, and some theme WPS files are broken. |
00:16:00 | webguest07 | oh |
00:16:32 | linuxstb_ | Do any themes you've installed yourself work? |
00:16:38 | webguest07 | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 (thats where i found the themes i want) |
00:16:56 | webguest07 | no none of those themes work. |
00:17:03 | webguest07 | so i deleted them |
00:17:22 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: I need to make chessbox leave the backlight on while thinking (if the users chooses so). How do I do that? |
00:18:00 | LycoLoco | anyone have any idea why I cant use bookmarks on long files such as hour long podcasts? |
00:18:04 | linuxstb_ | mpeccorini: Lots of other plugins do that - look at mpegplayer/mpegplayer.c for an example. |
00:18:14 | mpeccorini | ok, thanks |
00:18:42 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: I posted the new version of the feature to save PGN history by the way |
00:18:52 | mpeccorini | in case you have some time to look at it |
00:19:07 | mpeccorini | I used the same task, is that ok? |
00:19:08 | amiconn | __attribute__((packed)) will of course increase binary size a lot on SH and arm, because short and long members can become unaligned |
00:19:35 | linuxstb_ | LycoLoco: Are you using the file broswer or database to access them? |
00:19:36 | mpeccorini | amiconn: isn't ((packed)) supposed to "align" them? |
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00:19:43 | amiconn | nope |
00:19:47 | webguest45 | sorry i logged out by accident. |
00:19:48 | LycoLoco | linuxstb - file browser |
00:19:53 | nls | amiconn: the 16KB increase was for coldfire, though |
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00:20:13 | webguest45 | are those themes even for the ipod video? |
00:20:14 | linuxstb_ | LycoLoco: Then I don't know... |
00:20:15 | amiconn | 'packed' packs the struct so that there are no gaps at all, regardless of member data sizes |
00:20:17 | nls | amiconn: also did you look at the patch? |
00:20:41 | LycoLoco | linuxstb: would it matter about using database vs file browser? |
00:20:43 | linuxstb_ | webguest45: No - they're for the iaudio X5... |
00:20:58 | webguest45 | oh |
00:21:01 | amiconn | It's meant to be used for reading well defined data formats, but even then coders often prefer to do the parsing 'by hand' |
00:22:22 | webguest45 | i have two more questions. i have some gameboy roms on my ipod but when i play them the sound or music whatever is kind of dissorted do you know why? |
00:22:46 | amiconn | gcc doesn't reorder struct members. For packed structs it must not do that, for non-packed structs it would be useful... |
00:23:01 | linuxstb_ | webguest45: Because no-one is developing Rockboy and it still has bugs/limitations. |
00:23:16 | webguest45 | the other question is the mpeg player plays the movie but the sound is slower thsan the movie? |
00:23:35 | markun | webguest45: what's the samplerate of the audio? |
00:23:49 | webguest45 | what do you mean? |
00:23:55 | nls | amiconn: re: what you said about gcc yesterday, there seems that quite a few improvements have made it into gcc 4.3 http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/changes.html#m68k |
00:24:43 | markun | webguest45: well, normally it should be 44100Hz so I can imagine the audio being slower if you use a file with a samplerate of 48000Hz |
00:24:46 | linuxstb_ | webguest45: mpegplayer isn't very fast on the ipod video - you are better off playing videos in Apple's firmware. |
00:25:11 | webguest45 | ok thanks anyway. : ) |
00:25:26 | amiconn | It can be done manually, grouping members by size, but that means giving up grouping related members together -> readability suffers |
00:25:30 | markun | webguest45: did you try one of the "Elefants Dream" sample movies? |
00:26:02 | webguest45 | i would also like to know how you guys made rockbox make my ipod albe to play gameboy roms? |
00:26:05 | markun | Elephants even |
00:26:20 | webguest45 | yeah i trie dthat elephants dream movie. |
00:27:23 | webguest45 | did i ask that other question the right way? |
00:27:34 | webguest45 | about the roms? |
00:28:01 | amiconn | hrrm |
00:28:24 | * | amiconn would like to see the tracks[] array vanish.... i.e. MoB |
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00:28:40 | nls | amiconn: iiuc it will |
00:29:00 | Hammer89 | I forget... is there a specific place I can look to see if the e200 bootloader has been updated? |
00:29:15 | Hammer89 | *if/when |
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00:30:17 | webguest45 | alright thank you guy's see ya!1 : ) |
00:30:30 | linuxstb_ | Hammer89: You can just check the timestamp of the file on the download server. Any updates should be in the MajorChanges wiki page as well though. |
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00:31:05 | Hammer89 | okay... thanks :) |
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00:33:04 | Dorian_ | does the database include files like SID and SPC |
00:34:03 | linuxstb_ | Yes |
00:34:40 | LycoLoco | linuxstb_: also, even if I have rockbox set up to autosave bookmarks on stop, it doens't when I'm listening to a podcast. any ideas? |
00:37:32 | LycoLoco | anyone have any ideas? is there a log that's available to me to see what is or isn't happening when I try to bookmark a podcast? |
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00:40:46 | linuxstb_ | What format is your podcast? Rockbox doesn't treat podcasts any differently to any long files. |
00:40:51 | LycoLoco | mp3 |
00:41:09 | LycoLoco | lemme find a long mix and throw it on there |
00:41:16 | LycoLoco | see if I have any issues with it |
00:44:14 | LycoLoco | it works just fine on a music track that's 2 and a half hours |
00:44:19 | LycoLoco | lemme try a different podcast |
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00:48:01 | LycoLoco | it works on some podcasts and not others |
00:49:16 | LycoLoco | any rhyme or reason that creating a podcast shouldn't work? |
00:50:16 | * | linuxstb_ doesn't know |
00:50:56 | LycoLoco | me either |
00:50:57 | LycoLoco | not sure what's goin on here |
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01:04:59 | orbit7 | thanks for making rockbox work on the 80gb ipod ;) |
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01:20:39 | Buschel | hi, since a svn-change from May, 15th, the runtime calculation and charge/discharge curve for iPOD Videos is not correct. With patch #7216 there is a first attempt for better runtime calculation of the 30GB and 60/80GB-models as well as for the nano. |
01:21:13 | Buschel | there were also added new battery types for nano and both Videos |
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01:22:53 | DanielW | i did something (like reset all settings?) and now if i load the theme, the icons don't get loaded |
01:23:19 | Dorian_ | DaneilW: icons are their own theme |
01:23:27 | DanielW | ? |
01:23:54 | DanielW | where do i load that? |
01:25:32 | Dorian_ | they should be in the same place where you load other themes |
01:26:09 | DanielW | i can load a normal theme and that icon theme at the same time? |
01:26:27 | Dorian_ | same place |
01:26:43 | Dorian_ | assume you copied them correctly |
01:28:17 | DanielW | add the moment it is building database (PLAY/PAUSE to return) . but pressing on play/pause doesn't bring me back |
01:28:48 | DanielW | at |
01:29:06 | Dorian_ | yea, i've had that problem as well w/ my ipod |
01:29:44 | DanielW | last time i pressed all over it until it rebooted with complete new settings |
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01:32:33 | DanielW | building database .... 10000 found :-) |
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01:33:05 | Dorian_ | yea, i have 4000+ songs on my and i got 7k |
01:33:19 | DanielW | ? |
01:33:44 | DanielW | if finds more then they really are? |
01:33:49 | DanielW | it |
01:35:03 | Dorian_ | well i dunno |
01:35:47 | Dorian_ | you know... i just reallized that it might be picking up the images from my webpages |
01:35:47 | DanielW | to bad, that the fat32 file system doesn't support : and ? in filenames. gave me a lot of errors while moving the files to the ipod |
01:37:05 | DanielW | Dorian_: webpages on your musicplayer? |
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01:37:24 | Dorian_ | yea, i use it as a portable drive as well |
01:37:51 | DanielW | there should be a way to say the rockbox "don't look in that dir" |
01:38:12 | DanielW | for exmaple with a .norock file in that dir |
01:39:46 | Dorian_ | yea |
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01:45:02 | DanielW | building database... 16300 found |
01:45:10 | DanielW | mhhh |
01:46:19 | Dorian_ | jw who here is using a windows box? |
01:47:49 | Dorian_ | if i want to apply a patch do i do it with the .rockbox folder or the root of the player |
01:50:16 | linuxstb_ | Neither |
01:50:49 | linuxstb_ | a patch is a text file containing a list of changes to the Rockbox source code. You need to apply those changes to the source code and compile Rockbox yourself. |
01:50:58 | Dorian_ | the wiki says cd to/source/root patch < patchfile |
01:51:42 | linuxstb_ | Yes, "to/source/root" is the folder on your computer containing a copy of the Rockbox source code. |
01:52:22 | Dorian_ | ah |
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01:54:01 | Dorian_ | well i'm gonna tell everyone should look at my patch on that know (7111) allowing people to sort their podcast w/o custom filters |
01:54:10 | Dorian_ | similar to the ipod firmware |
01:55:06 | DanielW | ? |
01:55:30 | DanielW | erstelle tag datenbank dauert ja doch recht lange huh |
01:55:39 | saratoga | linuxstb: finally tracke ddown the bug in the integer wma decoder! |
01:55:44 | DanielW | oh sorry |
01:55:48 | DanielW | english channel |
01:55:49 | linuxstb | saratoga: \o/ |
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01:56:07 | linuxstb | saratoga: \o/ |
01:56:19 | saratoga | the decoder reuses exponents when the block size is less then or equal to a factor of two of the previous block size |
01:56:35 | saratoga | the code for doing this returns an array of all zeros |
01:57:25 | saratoga | instead of the old exponents |
01:58:29 | linuxstb | So the integer decoder is producing decent output now? |
01:58:42 | saratoga | not yet, i'm not sure why this happens |
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01:58:50 | saratoga | but I'm hoping to have good output by tonight |
01:58:56 | linuxstb | Ah, so you've found it, but not fixed it? |
01:59:02 | saratoga | correct |
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02:16:43 | DanielW | one shouldn't use the database tracklist to play a track? here after that it opens a searching dialog and that takes minutes .... |
02:19:33 | DanielW | i don't understand how that works. it added 10 000 tracks to the playlist |
02:19:42 | DanielW | i just wanted to play that one selected song |
02:21:00 | linuxstb | That's how Rockbox works - if you press select or right on a track in a list, it creates a playlist with the whole list. |
02:21:21 | linuxstb | To just play the one track, hold down select and insert it into the playlist. |
02:22:26 | DanielW | ah |
02:22:40 | DanielW | and thats why it takes so long, becaue it is adding 10 000 tracks |
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02:23:02 | DanielW | but the "play/pause to cancel" doesn't work |
02:23:37 | linuxstb | I don't know about that. |
02:25:47 | DanielW | ok i don't get that all |
02:25:58 | DanielW | know i can not use it because playlist buffer is full |
02:26:07 | DanielW | but i can not clear the playlist |
02:26:24 | DanielW | and now there is this search windows from the database again |
02:26:42 | DanielW | i think i am to stuip to use rockbox |
02:27:23 | DanielW | stupid |
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02:54:26 | DanielW | is there a way to see how much songs are on my player? |
02:55:30 | linuxstb | Run the "stats" plugin |
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03:02:00 | DanielW | Music: 12813 :-) |
03:14:42 | DanielW | is there a way to just add mhh x random tracks? or an other way to listen random to complete collection? |
03:16:02 | badsheepy | mhh? |
03:16:32 | badsheepy | you can listen to your whole collection on random by going database->artist->all artist and putting it on shuffle |
03:16:49 | badsheepy | where artist is anything with an 'all' option |
03:17:13 | DanielW | yes bu |
03:17:14 | DanielW | t |
03:17:43 | DanielW | it will not add more than 10 000 tracks to the playlist |
03:17:58 | DanielW | so i will get an error message there |
03:18:02 | DanielW | and it takes some time |
03:18:07 | badsheepy | oh i see |
03:18:17 | DanielW | i would like to see a feature like "add 100 random tracks to playlist" |
03:18:53 | markun | DanielW: do you know how to program? |
03:19:00 | DanielW | yes |
03:19:14 | markun | good :) |
03:19:40 | linuxstb | DanielW: You can increase that 10000 limit - General Settings -> System -> Limits -> Max Playlist Size |
03:20:24 | DanielW | linuxstb: i know |
03:20:44 | linuxstb | Then why do you say it won't add more than 10000 tracks to the playlist? |
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03:21:42 | DanielW | markun: but i never programmed on a that hardware near level. i used to develop programs for symbian os smartphones and oh that sometimes freaks me out. |
03:22:09 | DanielW | linuxstb: the ability to set such a limit and the default one for 10 000 is there for a reason |
03:22:37 | DanielW | linuxstb: it take quite some time to fill the playlist with so many tracks |
03:23:00 | markun | DanielW: for such a feature you don't really need to tuch any low level stuff |
03:23:17 | linuxstb | DanielW: But it does work? |
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03:24:21 | DanielW | ok, looked in the source yesterday (just a few patches) and for me (normaly developing logistical software in c#) the c code looks quite low level everywhere *g* |
03:25:21 | DanielW | linuxstb: will give it a try later. i am new to rockbox and just on my why to find out how the things i would like to to can be done |
03:25:46 | linuxstb | DanielW: Also, are you using the database or the file browser? |
03:26:10 | linuxstb | Do you have both dircache enabled and the database loaded to RAM? |
03:26:18 | DanielW | database mhh and flie browser (the later for various artist albums) |
03:26:31 | DanielW | dircache disabled |
03:26:54 | linuxstb | Enabling dircache should speed things up. What about the database? |
03:27:49 | DanielW | i am not sure it seems quite slow. when i go to complete track list and press select or next, it takes mhh a few minutes |
03:28:05 | DanielW | while i see a "searching .... x found" message |
03:28:16 | DanielW | counting down |
03:28:33 | markun | what's "mhh"? |
03:28:57 | DanielW | sorry nothing. just "the sound of my brain thinking" |
03:29:32 | DanielW | should not use that in written language. and never in english |
03:30:18 | linuxstb | Do you have the database loaded to RAM? (it's one of the settings) |
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03:34:01 | DanielW | yes |
03:34:10 | DanielW | but will check again |
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03:35:01 | linuxstb | I think you also need to enable dircache for the load-to-ram option to work properly. |
03:35:16 | DanielW | mhh |
03:35:30 | DanielW | i will give it a try. how much ram will get used for the dircache? |
03:36:14 | linuxstb | A few hundred KB I think. |
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03:36:45 | linuxstb | After you've enabled it and rebooted, you can check the size in System -> Debug -> Dircache info |
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03:40:38 | DanielW | what does the Anti-Skip-Buffer option mean in the playback options? |
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03:50:29 | DanielW | is there no way to loading the ipod without having it on? |
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03:58:05 | zutme | So I installed rockbox on my ipod 3g,but when I try to play music it stutters and then invariably crashes, and very often it crashes when booting. Would reinstalling/ using a different version be helpful or is it normally this buggy? |
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04:00:23 | saratoga | rockbox is basically nonfunctional on the 3G |
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04:01:05 | zutme | damn that really sucks. it would be perfect if it worked. the features are so cool |
04:01:44 | zutme | is this something that may get better in the future or am i pretty much sol |
04:03:47 | DanielW | is it normal that the ipod goes on, when i connect it with with usb to load the battery? |
04:04:17 | DanielW | it boots rockbox then. but i don't want it to boot rockbox just to load the battery |
04:04:36 | linuxstb | Yes, you can't charge the ipod when it's off. |
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04:05:42 | linuxstb | zutme: No-one is currently working on Rockbox on the 3G - but that doesn't mean no-one will in the future. It just needs a 3G owner to show interest. |
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04:06:56 | zutme | does ipodlinux have better support? I triued i, but the interface was pretty sucky compared to rockbox |
04:07:10 | linuxstb | zutme: You tell us... |
04:07:19 | zutme | well it didnt crash |
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04:32:24 | DanielW | ipod off and hold switch on hold -> plug in usb -> ipod boots rockbox -> rockbox says "cleared" and all settings and the database is lost :-( |
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04:37:09 | webguest51 | Ok i've installed the image and the player on my dev computer that does not have internet. I've used cygwin on a computer that does have internet to get the daily build. I have copied the rockbox folder over to my dev computer but cant figure out how to get to it in vmware. Where should i put the folder? |
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04:53:31 | webguest51 | Ok i've installed the image and the player on my dev computer that does not have internet. I've used cygwin on a computer that does have internet to get the daily build. I have copied the rockbox folder over to my dev computer but cant figure out how to get to it in vmware. Where should i put the folder? |
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06:49:39 | kayasha | hi people |
06:49:50 | kayasha | Quick question if anyone is online |
06:50:16 | kayasha | ? |
06:52:42 | kayasha | hello? |
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06:53:37 | kayasha | ??? |
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07:00:41 | Matt544 | Anyone help me on installing a Super Mario ROM I have? it is in .nes format |
07:01:20 | Matt544 | ? |
07:02:39 | rotator | Matt544: Rockbox doesn't support NES games |
07:02:52 | Matt544 | How do you install like Pacman and such? |
07:02:56 | rotator | Gameboy and Gameboy Color roms work fine though |
07:03:04 | Matt544 | ROMs i know, but how do i install a Pacman ROM? |
07:03:05 | kayasha | hello |
07:03:12 | kayasha | quick question |
07:03:22 | Matt544 | what about N64 roms? |
07:03:43 | rotator | nope, no n64 either |
07:03:47 | kayasha | i got a Iriver h10 5gb, i installed the nnew build and im having Codec fail |
07:03:53 | rotator | take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox for pacman |
07:04:32 | kayasha | i need new bootloader right? |
07:05:08 | Matt544 | So how do install files that end in .gb? |
07:05:43 | rotator | Matt544: just copy them to your player and the play them like you would an audio file |
07:07:00 | kayasha | anyone care to help me ? |
07:07:15 | Llorean | kayasha: Yes, you need a new bootloader. Just follow the directions in the manual |
07:07:22 | Matt544 | Copy them into what folder |
07:07:45 | rotator | Matt544: which ever folder you want |
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07:12:01 | kayasha | Llorean where do i find it |
07:12:10 | kayasha | i've been looking and didn't find it |
07:12:12 | Llorean | kayasha: In the manual... |
07:12:18 | Llorean | There's even a link to it. |
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07:16:10 | kayasha | now i get error -1 -.- |
07:17:29 | Llorean | Is there a rockbox.mi4 in your /.rockbox/ folder? |
07:17:44 | kayasha | non in root |
07:17:52 | kayasha | they told me to delete so i deleted it |
07:18:00 | Llorean | Well, WHO told you? |
07:18:04 | Llorean | The manual doesn't say to |
07:18:38 | Llorean | You need that file there for it to work with the current bootloader. |
07:18:42 | Llorean | Rockbox.h10, in the root, isn't used. |
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07:18:52 | kayasha | -.- where do i get it now |
07:18:57 | Llorean | In the normal rockbox zip... |
07:19:48 | kayasha | in the zip |
07:19:55 | kayasha | there is a rockbox.mi4 |
07:20:08 | kayasha | no Rockbox.h10 |
07:20:14 | Llorean | As I said, rockbox.h10 isn't used |
07:20:18 | Llorean | It's an old file |
07:20:21 | kayasha | okok |
07:20:46 | kayasha | buim getting error -1 |
07:21:22 | Llorean | Did you do what I said, extract a rockbox.zip properly so that there's a rockbox.mi4 in /.rockbox/ ? |
07:21:35 | kayasha | ok yes there is one |
07:21:41 | kayasha | after? |
07:21:43 | Llorean | And the error -1 is happening even after that? |
07:21:56 | kayasha | rebooting |
07:22:00 | kayasha | and yep |
07:22:21 | Llorean | Yep you still get it? |
07:22:33 | kayasha | ya |
07:22:38 | Llorean | Did you actually reinstall the bootloader? |
07:22:46 | Llorean | Exactly what the manual says to do for installing the bootloader? |
07:24:07 | kayasha | Download |
07:24:07 | kayasha | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10.mi4 if your player is UMS or |
07:24:07 | kayasha | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10˙5GB-MTP/H10.mi4 if it is MTP. |
07:24:07 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK kayasha |
07:24:07 | kayasha | Connect your H10 to the computer using UMS mode and the UMS trick if necessary. |
07:24:07 | kayasha | Rename the H10.mi4 file to OF.mi4 in the System directory on your H10 |
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07:25:19 | Llorean | I didn't ask you to copy and paste the directions. |
07:25:22 | Llorean | I asked you, did you do them? |
07:25:28 | kayasha | yep |
07:25:36 | Llorean | What version number does your bootloader report? |
07:26:11 | kayasha | 20061219-151 then it cut off |
07:26:15 | Llorean | That's not it, then |
07:26:27 | Llorean | The current one starts with 2007 |
07:26:34 | kayasha | ok wait |
07:26:45 | Llorean | You missed a step |
07:26:53 | Llorean | Or copied over the wrong file |
07:29:20 | kayasha | i just redownloaded the build |
07:29:29 | kayasha | and copying them |
07:29:36 | Llorean | Not the build |
07:29:37 | Llorean | The bootloader |
07:29:49 | kayasha | i got the one from the link in the manula |
07:29:51 | kayasha | manual |
07:30:16 | Llorean | The bootloader and the build are two different things |
07:30:23 | kayasha | i know that |
07:30:32 | Llorean | Then why did you redownload the build? |
07:30:38 | Llorean | The bootloader is out of date, and that's your problem |
07:30:38 | kayasha | just to make sure |
07:30:47 | kayasha | wher edo i get the up to date one |
07:30:53 | Llorean | The link you pasted above |
07:31:02 | Llorean | The files there are dated March '07 |
07:31:02 | kayasha | that is the one i downloaded lol |
07:31:22 | Llorean | If you definitely downloaded the march '07 one, you didn't copy it to your player properly |
07:31:29 | Llorean | But somewhere along the line, you didn't get the mar '07 file in the right place |
07:32:44 | kayasha | i need to remain |
07:32:56 | kayasha | to OF.mi4 right |
07:33:09 | Llorean | You rename the OLD h10.mi4 to it |
07:33:29 | kayasha | i don't have old |
07:33:34 | kayasha | that is my problem |
07:33:36 | kayasha | -.- |
07:33:44 | Llorean | The old one is the one on the player |
07:33:51 | Llorean | You rename the one on the player, then you copy the new one to it |
07:33:54 | Llorean | Exactly like the manual says |
07:34:07 | Llorean | It says *very* clearly that you rename the one in the system folder before the step where it says to copy the downloaded one over. |
07:34:15 | kayasha | i only have one in the root file |
07:34:26 | Llorean | Then you didn't install properly the first time |
07:34:35 | Llorean | You won't be able to boot into the iRiver firmware without the OF.mi4 |
07:34:36 | kayasha | it was working before lol |
07:34:45 | Llorean | Was the original iRiver firmware dual boot working? |
07:34:51 | kayasha | noe |
07:34:59 | Llorean | Because that's ALL the OF.mi4 is for |
07:35:04 | Llorean | So, see, you didn't install properly before. |
07:35:06 | kayasha | original |
07:35:08 | kayasha | yaa |
07:35:29 | Llorean | Now, you need to copy the downloaded bootloader MI4 file into the system folder on your device. Don't rename that one to OF.MI4 |
07:35:54 | Llorean | You should have a file with the same name to overwrite with it. |
07:37:01 | kayasha | i need a rockbox.h10 file |
07:37:08 | Llorean | No, you don't |
07:37:19 | kayasha | im confused like hell |
07:37:36 | Llorean | Follow the instructions in the manual, exactly as they're written, but ignore the step about making an OF.MI4 |
07:37:49 | Llorean | Why do you think you need a rockbox.h10 file? |
07:37:57 | Llorean | I told you earlier you don't need it, and the manual doesn't need it. |
07:37:59 | kayasha | because i had that before |
07:38:10 | Llorean | YOU DO NOT NEED IT NOW |
07:38:11 | Llorean | It's OLD |
07:38:16 | Llorean | Please believe me. |
07:38:18 | Llorean | I'm not lying to you. |
07:38:20 | Llorean | I didn't lie to you before. |
07:38:31 | kayasha | im not saying your lying :P |
07:38:48 | Llorean | Well you said you need it, suggesting rather strongly you don't believe me. |
07:38:58 | kayasha | can i just format and restart |
07:39:11 | Llorean | Follow the instructions in the manual, exactly as they're written, but ignore the step about making an OF.MI4 |
07:39:17 | Llorean | If you just do that, exactly, you'll be fine |
07:39:24 | Llorean | You still won't be able to dual boot, but it should work fine other than that |
07:40:11 | kayasha | ok i did that |
07:40:19 | kayasha | didn't remain and didn't wor |
07:40:20 | kayasha | work |
07:40:25 | Llorean | "remain"? |
07:40:29 | kayasha | rename |
07:40:33 | kayasha | * |
07:40:38 | Llorean | Did you overwrite a file with it? |
07:40:57 | kayasha | ya ...... |
07:41:03 | Llorean | And what version does it say now when you boot? |
07:41:07 | kayasha | 2006 |
07:41:09 | kayasha | weird |
07:41:11 | kayasha | as hell |
07:41:12 | Llorean | What's the date on the file? |
07:41:31 | Llorean | How many MI4 files do you have in the /system folder, and what are they named? |
07:41:38 | kayasha | 1 |
07:41:48 | Llorean | Named? |
07:41:49 | kayasha | h10.mi4 |
07:42:06 | kayasha | 2007-06-02 |
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07:42:14 | Llorean | Ah, right |
07:42:20 | Llorean | What's the size of it? |
07:42:22 | kayasha | 50 |
07:42:24 | kayasha | kb |
07:42:48 | Llorean | And that's the file you just downloaded today? |
07:42:55 | kayasha | just 5 min ago |
07:43:01 | Llorean | And it's giving "Error: -1" |
07:43:04 | kayasha | ya |
07:43:21 | kayasha | im using a usm mode |
07:44:16 | kayasha | before it was working but had codec fail, and now ot working at all |
07:44:22 | Llorean | And did you remove the battery? |
07:44:33 | kayasha | remove ya why |
07:44:49 | Llorean | To force a full restart? |
07:45:02 | kayasha | no to connect in um mode |
07:45:07 | kayasha | usm* |
07:45:32 | Llorean | And yours is an MTP, UMS, or Pure? |
07:45:47 | kayasha | MTP and UMS |
07:45:56 | kayasha | UMS is a trick to boot it in |
07:46:08 | kayasha | maybe if i use bootloader from MTP |
07:46:21 | Llorean | There are ones that are UMS only |
07:46:29 | Llorean | If yours CAN boot into MTP at all, it's an MTP player |
07:46:34 | Llorean | And you must use the MTP bootloader |
07:46:49 | Llorean | You still need to be in UMS mode to copy it over. |
07:47:01 | kayasha | ah |
07:47:14 | kayasha | error -1 |
07:47:26 | Llorean | Did the date change? |
07:47:29 | kayasha | nope |
07:47:37 | Llorean | Does yours have a radio? |
07:47:38 | kayasha | i didn't rename |
07:47:42 | kayasha | ya |
07:47:58 | Llorean | Well something weird is happening. |
07:48:15 | kayasha | it was working before i deleted rockbox.h10 |
07:48:18 | kayasha | lol |
07:48:24 | Llorean | It wasn't working |
07:48:28 | Llorean | You were getting codec failures |
07:48:31 | kayasha | still |
07:48:34 | Llorean | Because the .h10 file was outdated, and the codecs were from the new build |
07:48:38 | Llorean | you would never be able to fix that |
07:48:43 | kayasha | iok ok \ |
07:48:46 | Llorean | Because the bootloader needs to load the rockbox.mi4 file now |
07:48:50 | Llorean | Which means you need to update your bootloader |
07:49:00 | kayasha | ok how do i update it / |
07:49:07 | Llorean | Apparently you can't |
07:49:13 | kayasha | weird |
07:49:14 | Llorean | Because you're telling me you're doing things exactly right, but it's not working |
07:49:27 | kayasha | maybe the build i got is wrong? |
07:49:33 | Llorean | It's not the build |
07:49:35 | Llorean | It's the bootloader |
07:49:39 | Llorean | You need to update the bootloader |
07:49:40 | kayasha | ya ok |
07:49:43 | kayasha | weird |
07:50:02 | Llorean | As you can clearly see by visiting the site, the bootloader file was uploaded in March 20, '07 |
07:50:12 | Llorean | Yours is reporting it was made in 2006 |
07:50:15 | Llorean | It's definitely outdated |
07:50:22 | Llorean | The question is why your player isn't updating to the new one. |
07:50:44 | kayasha | maybe because is the renaming part? |
07:50:52 | Llorean | What renaming part? |
07:50:56 | kayasha | to of |
07:51:02 | Llorean | OF means "original firmware" |
07:51:04 | Llorean | It's for the dual boot |
07:51:17 | Llorean | The of.mi4 doesn't get loaded until *after* the Rockbox bootloader loads, and you hold down a button. |
07:51:26 | kayasha | i never did thata |
07:51:33 | kayasha | so ok |
07:51:45 | Llorean | If you read the manual carefully, the renaming is for the OLD file, the original .mi4, not the one you download |
07:52:29 | kayasha | if i format my iriver, i clear it, after i install the latest build + bootloader |
07:52:32 | kayasha | ?? |
07:52:49 | Llorean | Reformatting shouldn't make any difference. |
07:52:54 | Llorean | You can if you'd like |
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07:53:15 | kayasha | i'll try, but like you said wouldn't make a difference ? -.- |
07:53:25 | kayasha | btw i finished doom |
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08:20:59 | kayasha | can anyone help me |
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08:26:13 | kayasha | ? |
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08:33:52 | kayasha | so no one can help me |
08:37:04 | petur | I saw you already talked to our best support guy... |
08:38:36 | kayasha | petur |
08:38:44 | kayasha | i know but know i got another problem |
08:38:52 | petur | which is? |
08:39:00 | kayasha | i formated my iriver |
08:39:11 | kayasha | and installed the latest version |
08:39:30 | kayasha | but it doesn't load and goes in normal iriver firmware |
08:40:38 | petur | I know very little about the iriver h10... I'll have to read the install instructions myself so I can't tell you more than what's in them |
08:41:00 | kayasha | oh thanks anyways |
08:41:28 | kayasha | i'll probably stick with the normal iriver firmware then for now |
08:41:50 | petur | did you check all steps carefully? |
08:42:03 | kayasha | ya |
08:42:45 | kayasha | i think it's tjhe bootloader |
08:43:00 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
08:43:00 | * | petur wonders if there's a difference between 5 and 20GB h10 (install-wise) |
08:43:06 | kayasha | and i saw on forum that the new build is only for ackron players |
08:43:21 | petur | ackron? |
08:43:36 | kayasha | archos |
08:43:57 | petur | I think you're confusing things |
08:44:37 | petur | rockbox latest build works on all targets that are listed in the 'current build' page |
08:44:44 | kayasha | okok |
08:44:52 | petur | 5 or 20GB version? |
08:44:56 | kayasha | 5 |
08:45:06 | kayasha | i can't log in rockbox for now |
08:45:29 | petur | I'm reading the instructions now |
08:45:47 | kayasha | im saying that im missing a file |
08:46:07 | kayasha | rockbox.h10 file |
08:46:21 | kayasha | but some one said it's old didn't need it |
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08:47:55 | petur | you need a rockbox.mi4 file in /.rockbox/ |
08:48:07 | kayasha | yap got that |
08:48:59 | petur | your player is attached to your pc now? |
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08:49:54 | kayasha | ap |
08:50:00 | kayasha | im UMS mode |
08:50:04 | kayasha | yes* |
08:50:08 | petur | if you attach it, does it show up as a removable diskdrive or as a media device |
08:50:17 | kayasha | disk drive |
08:50:22 | kayasha | i used trick |
08:50:51 | petur | that's what I wanted to know. so it's a MTP version |
08:51:04 | kayasha | the onlything i didn't do was the rename the old file, i don't have one |
08:51:15 | kayasha | i think that is the problem |
08:51:30 | petur | no H10.mi4 in the system directory? |
08:51:39 | kayasha | in system ya |
08:51:42 | kayasha | not in root |
08:51:54 | kayasha | i tried renaming and i got a error message |
08:52:07 | petur | it has to be in the system dir |
08:52:28 | kayasha | saying i lost all data need to get firmware to recover |
08:52:31 | kayasha | ok ya it's there |
08:52:33 | petur | that's probably your mistake, you're trying to put stuff in the root |
08:53:00 | kayasha | where do i put bootloader? |
08:53:03 | kayasha | the new one |
08:53:08 | kayasha | in system ? or root? |
08:54:01 | petur | the install guide says you have to rename H10.mi4 to OF.mi4 INSIDE the SYSTEM dir, and then copy the correct H10.mi4 from rockbox inside that system dir |
08:54:22 | kayasha | your a genius |
08:54:24 | petur | there were two links for that bootloader |
08:54:40 | kayasha | i only needed to put the new bootloader in system not root |
08:54:57 | petur | I'm not a genius, but I can read install instructions :p |
08:55:27 | kayasha | the instruction doessn't point out that you put new bootloader in system dir |
08:55:37 | petur | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 <−−- that one does |
08:55:41 | petur | it's in the manual |
08:55:52 | petur | "Copy the H10.mi4 (or H10EMP.mi4 if you have a H10 Pure) file you downloaded to the System directory on your player. |
08:55:52 | petur | " |
08:56:10 | petur | it's all there, just have to read it correctly |
08:56:14 | kayasha | ohh oops |
08:56:21 | kayasha | i though that was for pure h10 |
08:56:24 | kayasha | that is why |
08:56:26 | kayasha | Thanks |
08:56:26 | petur | is it booting now? |
08:56:33 | kayasha | im in rockbox |
08:56:37 | kayasha | +DD |
08:56:39 | kayasha | =DD |
08:56:40 | petur | congrats and welcome |
08:56:50 | kayasha | ouff you saved me |
08:57:10 | kayasha | not for themes and fonts lool -.- |
08:57:24 | * | petur tosses support hat away and goes for a walk |
08:57:53 | kayasha | lol fonts are easy |
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09:08:53 | kayasha | Thanks, im going to bed |
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09:13:13 | pengo | Rockbox has been giving me "Codec failure" on my HP-120 for months now. Any obvious things to check for before i file a bug report? |
09:14:20 | petur | is there a rockbox.xxx file in the root? remove it |
09:18:22 | petur | pengo? |
09:18:28 | pengo | yay. now my machine's usb ports are failing. |
09:18:32 | pengo | (unrelated problem) |
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09:19:03 | pengo | grr |
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09:19:41 | pengo | i'll try on the xo-1 |
09:22:37 | pengo | petur: delete rockbox.iriver ? |
09:22:46 | petur | if it's in the root, yes |
09:22:56 | pengo | ok done... |
09:23:04 | petur | the current builds put it in /.rockbox |
09:23:38 | pengo | it's still saying Codec Failure |
09:23:58 | pengo | wav/ogg/mp3 all |
09:23:59 | petur | did you unzip completely? |
09:24:14 | petur | and did you restart it? |
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09:24:26 | pengo | i'll do it again. last time i did it i didn't delete the old one. |
09:24:40 | pengo | has there been a need to update the bootloader ever? |
09:24:54 | petur | you should be using version 6 |
09:24:59 | petur | (which is the latest) |
09:25:17 | pengo | i'm on 5 |
09:25:19 | pengo | hm |
09:25:48 | petur | install 6 |
09:26:00 | pengo | and since deleting rockbox.x it boots straight to the original firmware.... |
09:26:02 | pengo | ok........ |
09:26:26 | petur | you need 6 for the current builds |
09:26:48 | petur | has to do with the location of rockbox.iriver |
09:28:08 | pengo | sorry to ask a stupid question.. but where can i find the bootloader install files? |
09:29:59 | pengo | found it i think |
09:32:23 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
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09:40:26 | pengo | firmware upgrading........... |
09:40:53 | pengo | yay |
09:40:56 | pengo | i can use rockbox again |
09:41:23 | petur | congrats |
09:41:31 | pengo | i kinda wish there was a warning that a bootloader upgrade was needed |
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09:44:05 | pengo | wow the new menu almost looks usable |
09:46:34 | petur | if you had color, I'd tel you to install an iconset ;) |
09:46:58 | pengo | color.. pfft :) |
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09:47:18 | pengo | i could use a font set though.. doesn't seem to have any built in now? |
09:47:24 | pengo | (apart from default) |
09:50:44 | petur | it's under extra's on the rockbox site |
09:53:02 | pengo | ah k |
09:53:59 | pengo | i can startup from where i was up to again. f'n missed that so much. |
09:55:48 | pengo | now if only the cursor-right button worked and both headphone/out jacks weren't wobbly it'd be as good as new. |
09:56:13 | petur | heh |
09:58:21 | pengo | there isn't a "play 30% faster" tempo setting somewhere, is there? |
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10:02:58 | pengo | it's going to take a long time to catch up on my podcasts :/ |
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10:08:59 | petur | pengo: there's the pitch screen... |
10:10:58 | pengo | i found that once...... |
10:11:34 | pengo | but good mp3 players (or at least cheap chinese no-brand ones) let you increase speed without changing pitch |
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10:12:24 | petur | do they? |
10:12:29 | pengo | well this one does |
10:12:32 | pengo | (points) |
10:12:59 | pengo | can get through slow-talking podcasts a lot faster |
10:13:09 | pengo | there's a plugin for winamp that does it called pacemaker |
10:13:16 | petur | there's been talk about it, don't know of actual plans |
10:13:37 | pengo | would be my #1 fav feature |
10:13:51 | petur | mp3 players are a bit low on cpu, so it could be critical |
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10:16:13 | pengo | i don't think the speed change would take much more cpu for an mp3, because the mp3 already is stored as frequencies.. so it's just reading/processing it faster that would hurt.. but wavs and flacs might be more limiting if you have to do a FFT on it first.. (i'm guessing here) |
10:17:37 | petur | if it's done in rockbox, it will probably be done for all formats, not just mp3 |
10:18:16 | pengo | yep |
10:18:26 | pengo | well i hope it gets done soon. |
10:18:41 | pengo | i dont want to have to work out how to code it myself :) |
10:19:50 | petur | there are no actual plans, so no real hopes... |
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10:24:49 | amiconn | For mp3 it's not too demanding to change speed without pitch, but doing it for all of them is too demanding for any of our target CPUs except perhaps the gigabeat |
10:24:49 | pengo | hi preglow... :) |
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10:25:14 | amiconn | For mp3 it would even be possible on the archoses |
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10:26:10 | pengo | amiconn: could pre-pitch change (save to a new, faster file) before playing? or simply jsut support mp3 (+ogg?) |
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10:29:12 | amiconn | For mp3 the procedure would be as follows: (1) change the mp3 stream to 320kbps cbr on the fly, with no bit reservoir usage in the converted stream. (2) Speed up by dropping frames, or time stretch by duplicating frames |
10:29:45 | amiconn | I don't know whether this technique will be possible for other transform codecs |
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10:37:11 | pengo | so can we just implement it for mp3 and deal with the rest later? |
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10:50:01 | pengo | i'm going to have to work out how to make a script to pre-speedup podcasts |
10:50:16 | pengo | before uploading to the iriver |
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11:24:47 | david1 | is the ipod mini able to play mpeg videos, because here it says yes http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex but here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer i dont see anything about ipod mini |
11:25:23 | Llorean | That's because technically it can, but we really, really don't suggest it. |
11:25:42 | Llorean | And on the second page it does say the iPod Mini can, in the list at the very, very end |
11:26:47 | david1 | how many fps can it play more than 5? |
11:27:57 | amiconn | mpegplayer works on the mini, but I wouldn't call it usable |
11:28:20 | amiconn | Audio stutters.... |
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11:33:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: How bad is the audio stuttering? Do you think it's very close to realtime? |
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11:40:43 | kramdra | hi, i just bought my gigabeat, and im using win2k, which doesnt seem to eb supported by the toshiba driver.. is there any other driver I can use to install rockbox? |
11:41:33 | kramdra | it doesnt show as a mass storage thing :( |
11:43:02 | linuxstb | Are you connecting via the dock? |
11:44:26 | kramdra | yeah |
11:44:36 | petur | if it's UMS you shouldn't need a driver, no? |
11:44:39 | linuxstb | Try connecting directly via a cable. |
11:44:47 | kramdra | ok |
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11:45:24 | linuxstb | IIIUC, when connecting via the Dock, the gigabeat connects in MTP mode (but this may be changable by a setting in the Toshiba firmware), but when connecting via the cable, it always using UMS. |
11:45:57 | kramdra | thanks, i can see it now :) |
11:46:45 | kramdra | before i put rockbox on, should I put the other software just incase i need to format and start again/ or can this be done later |
11:47:00 | linuxstb | What other software? |
11:47:08 | kramdra | gigabeat room |
11:47:18 | linuxstb | You only need that if you want to use Toshiba's firmware. |
11:47:27 | kramdra | k |
11:47:44 | markun | I wouldn't recomend Gigabeat Room to anyone |
11:48:00 | linuxstb | I would recommend making a backup of the "GBSYSTEM" folder on your gigabeat first - e.g. zip it up and store it somewhere safe on your PC. |
11:48:11 | linuxstb | (before you start to install Rockbox) |
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11:48:53 | kramdra | hmm now i need to remember... how do i update the rockbox source from cygwin so i can build it... /goes off to read |
11:49:27 | bluebrother | if you have a svn checkout, just "svn up" in the source tree |
11:49:49 | linuxstb | I would suggest using the official bootloader binary - it's been tested and is known to work. It's very possible that bootloaders in SVN can be broken without anyone knowing. |
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11:50:25 | linuxstb | About what? |
11:51:23 | kramdra | should i just use http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeatf/rockbox.zip to install then? |
11:51:48 | bluebrother | that's the current build. You most likely want that |
11:52:09 | kramdra | k, that has the bootloader you said to use? |
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11:52:29 | bluebrother | no, the bootloader is a different download. http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/FWIMG01.DAT |
11:52:39 | bluebrother | see the manual, it should have it linked |
11:53:07 | kramdra | k |
11:53:18 | markun | kramdra: or these install instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions |
11:53:41 | bluebrother | bootloader installation in the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-120002.2.4 |
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11:59:02 | stripwax | digitrasher - didn't you just leave #freenet and join #rockbox? |
11:59:36 | digitrasher | jup |
11:59:46 | digitrasher | is that a problem? |
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12:00:32 | digitrasher | ooh ok |
12:00:39 | stripwax | (wanna swap refs?) |
12:01:24 | digitrasher | ok |
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12:02:35 | digitrasher | its starting |
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12:04:03 | stripwax | digitrasher : - no real reason.. I went to university with Ian Clarke so I guess I feel I ought to .. :) |
12:04:24 | digitrasher | ok |
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12:14:08 | cax | Hi, guys. Can you please tell me: (1) what's the default CPU speed in e200 (2) can it be boosted, and if yes - what's the boosted freq (3) does latest change "e200: Use clocking set up by loader and skip setting the values for now" mean there is no boosting anymore ? (4) why do I get "Undefined instruction" with the newest build ? |
12:17:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: Not close to realtime |
12:18:30 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK... Is the greyscale blitting very CPU intensive? |
12:18:31 | amiconn | Iiuc the problem is that audio runs on core0, and the grayscale lib also runs on core0, drawing a significant amount of performance |
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12:18:43 | linuxstb | Yes, that's the difference compared to other ipods. |
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12:19:04 | amiconn | The problem is that we don't know how to control the pp->lcd controller interface in an efficient way |
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12:19:42 | amiconn | On H1x0 there is no such problem, and the grayscale library needs <10% of the total cpu time |
12:20:01 | linuxstb | So much less than the lcd_yuv_blit I would expect. |
12:20:30 | neutralrobotboy | hey, can anyone in here tell me if it's possible to have different default directories for different rockbox versions? i have 2 versions of rockbox on my iriver h320, and i would like them to read from different plugin directories. is this possible? |
12:21:25 | linuxstb | neutralrobotboy: When you compile Rockbox, you can change the name of the .rockbox folder - so you need to compile one of them with something different. (I forget where it's defined, just search the source). |
12:21:25 | amiconn | The grayscale library needs cpu power for 2 different things: (1) converting the 8 bit greyscale source image into bitplanes. (2) constantly pushing the bitplanes to the lcd |
12:21:42 | amiconn | CPU usage for (1) is dynamic - no change, no cpu usage |
12:22:09 | amiconn | But CPU usage for (2) is fixed, only depending on the lcd area covered by the grayscale overlay |
12:22:27 | linuxstb | If we want mpegplayer to run dual-core greyscale targets, I think we would need to move the tick task to the second core. |
12:22:37 | amiconn | I didn't measure (1) in comparison to lcd_yuv_blit() on a colour target |
12:23:01 | amiconn | High load from (1) only reduces mpeg frame rate, but high load from (2) is bad |
12:23:34 | amiconn | I think the pp->lcd interface can be handled a lot faster than what we do now - if we find out how... |
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12:28:48 | amiconn | In the mini G2, the interface between PP and lcd controller itself is serial (deduced from the sequence used to transfer data, and the lcd controller datasheet), and this serial interface is fed from a shift register in the pp, so the cpu just writes parallel data (16 bit at a time) |
12:29:21 | amiconn | Right now, were' sending the init sequence, then one 16 bit word, then wait until done, and repeat |
12:30:08 | amiconn | But it should be possible to send many 16 bit words after the init sequence - if we find out how to tell the pp shift register logic how many words we want to send |
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12:30:21 | amiconn | Similar to what the colour lcd driver does |
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12:34:26 | neutralrobotboy | linuxstb: alright. thanks, i'll have to look at that later. |
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12:37:46 | kramdra | mpegplayer plugin... how do i quit playing a video.. menu and A keys dont work for me, and select is pause/play |
12:38:02 | markun | power I think |
12:38:13 | kramdra | ah thanks |
12:38:17 | markun | ah, from menu you cannot exit it either? |
12:39:26 | kramdra | nope |
12:39:42 | cax | so, can rockbox boost Sansa e200 cpu in the latest build ? could it before ? what were the boosted and not boosted freqs ? |
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12:41:25 | linuxstb | cax: Checking the SVN logs, boosting on the Sansa was disabled about 5 weeks ago ("it caused problems"). The frequencies were 30MHz/75MHz, so now I would expect it to run at a constant 75MHz. |
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12:44:19 | cax | linuxstb: 10x, I just were reading last changes and saw this "e200: Use clocking set up by loader and skip setting the values for now" |
12:46:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Would it be possible to put the audio thread in mpegplayer on the cop, and the video thread on the cpu? |
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12:47:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think that will cause caching problems - the audio "DMA" function (FIQ handler) runs on the main cpu. |
12:48:49 | linuxstb | I chose to put the video thread on the COP as it is completely self-contained, so it's easier to make sure the cache isn't a problem. |
12:50:06 | linuxstb | Although there is a large ringbuffer for audio output, so it might work - i.e. the fiq handler will always be reading from an old part of the buffer, and the cache should have been flushed by then. But it doesn't feel safe.... |
12:51:21 | amiconn | Hmm |
12:51:31 | amiconn | What would be required to put an isr on the cop? |
12:51:57 | amiconn | Btw, the grayscale lib doesn't use a tick task, it uses the user timer |
12:52:26 | amiconn | It needs a timing that closely matches the lcd's internal frame rate |
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12:55:58 | linuxstb | Sorry, by "tick task", I meant the user timer "tick". Let me look... |
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12:58:03 | amiconn | Btw, the grayscale lib might also run into caching problems when putting the isr on the cop, because the calculations are still done on the cpu |
12:58:21 | amiconn | But if it works, all plugins that use it would benefit, not only mpegplayer |
12:58:28 | amiconn | (doom...) |
12:58:28 | linuxstb | It may just mean changing line 267 of timer.c to read COP_INT_EN instead of CPU_INT_EN |
12:58:57 | linuxstb | (and same in timer_unregister) |
12:59:34 | linuxstb | If you try it, you should move the greyscale init into the video thread function in mpegplayer.c - so the lib is initialsed from the COP as well. |
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13:00:23 | linuxstb | IIRC, doom only uses the timer task to maintain a high-res tick counter. |
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13:01:53 | amiconn | Doom on the greyscale targets uses the grayscale lib |
13:02:03 | linuxstb | Of course, sorry... |
13:02:14 | amiconn | And offloading the 50% load to the cop will improve (doom) framerate |
13:02:15 | kramdra | hmm i crashed my gigabeat... tryed to run clock plugin before i set time etc... do i turn it off at battery switch? |
13:02:51 | linuxstb | kramdra: Yes. That's not a nice bug though... |
13:03:23 | kramdra | errr........... done that, its still on |
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13:03:45 | linuxstb | What do you mean, turning the power off doesn't turn off your gigabeat? |
13:04:05 | kramdra | nope aleast the screen is on with backlight |
13:04:27 | kramdra | omg im stupid.... pulls out power cable :) |
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13:07:32 | The | does anyone know how to change the icons in rockbox? |
13:09:41 | bluebrother | The: yes :p |
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13:09:50 | bluebrother | check the CustomIcons wiki page |
13:10:08 | The | thx |
13:10:53 | bluebrother | or check existing icon sets −− the icon file mainly is a strip of images. |
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13:15:31 | markun | linuxstb: what do you think our custom bootloader for the Gigabeat should do when you plug in the power cable? |
13:15:43 | markun | charge without showing anything? |
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13:17:59 | JdGordon | markun: charge, and show its charging? |
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13:20:41 | Amarok_Rules | Does anyone have ipod linux, rockbox, and regular ipod os on their ipod? |
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13:21:19 | DerPapst | morning |
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13:25:41 | bluebrother | Amarok_Rules: yes ... I guess a lot have. |
13:27:06 | Amarok_Rules | do you know if the ipodlinux installers are the best to use? |
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13:29:05 | amiconn | bluebrother: I would think not many rockbox users also use ipl |
13:29:29 | JdGordon | ipl has better games : |
13:29:42 | bluebrother | I didn't use their installer −− it didn't recognize my ipod, so I manually installed. I also wanted to use the Rockbox bootloader instead of loader2 |
13:30:01 | amiconn | bluebrother: Did ipl actually work for you? |
13:30:14 | DerPapst | JdGordon: yes. e.g. 1D tetris ^^ |
13:30:34 | bluebrother | it runs. Playing music with podzilla was a pain, and I didn't had the motivation to install additional software |
13:30:45 | * | amiconn tried ipl on his mini g2 when he got it. It booted exactly once. After the first shutdown, nothing worked, so I had to restore it |
13:30:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: I would guess the type of user that only uses Rockbox for games (possibly a large number on ipods) will also use IPL. |
13:31:36 | amiconn | Then I took the rockbox sources, the ipl sources for lookup, and made rockbox run on it :P |
13:31:42 | bluebrother | as a lot of Ipod users kinda scream for games all the time I imagine quite a lot having ipl installed along with Rockbox. |
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13:40:09 | linuxstb | markun: Shouldn't the bootloader just start Rockbox - to enable car adapter mode to work? |
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13:53:07 | markun | linuxstb: yes, probably |
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13:53:50 | linuxstb | I assume the gigabeat turns itself on when connecting power? |
13:54:48 | markun | yes, I think it boots as soon as you switch the battery on and then goes into sleep mode and waits for an interrupt |
13:55:00 | markun | either from the power button or the charger |
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13:55:40 | DanielW | hello |
13:56:08 | markun | hi |
13:57:08 | DanielW | i had connected my ipod the whole night to the computer and it is still not loaded. (it was on in rockbox and there was something like loading symbol). then i booted into original firmeware and i am trying to load there |
13:57:54 | DanielW | but it shows the "do not disconnect screen" (i think thats normal) and the battery symbol is changing color from green to grey and so on. but it always has a loading symbol on it |
13:58:06 | DanielW | is this color changing from green to grey and back, normal? |
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13:59:12 | stripwax | Danielw - what does "it is still not loaded" mean ? |
13:59:19 | stripwax | what are you trying to do |
13:59:27 | stripwax | sounds like your ipod is just charging, right? |
13:59:30 | DanielW | didn't find anything about that in the ipod manual. (and yes i know, this is not an ipod support chat but here are some ipod users, so someone should know it) |
13:59:53 | stripwax | yeah, I have an ipod, but I don't really understand what is the problem you have |
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14:00:02 | DanielW | stripwax: yes but it doesn't get full loaded after about 9 hours of loading |
14:00:14 | DerPapst | black and withe sounds like diskmaod |
14:00:17 | stripwax | loaded? you mean, charging (battery)? |
14:00:23 | DanielW | yes |
14:00:24 | DanielW | sorry |
14:00:57 | DanielW | in german it is "aufladen" bad translation to loading |
14:01:04 | stripwax | So, you have your ipod running rockbox, plugged in to your computer, and then you unplug it and what, rockbox says something like 90% charged? or what. what makes you think the battery isn't fully charged? |
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14:01:17 | DerPapst | DanielW: aufladen = charging |
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14:01:47 | DanielW | stripwax: yes the rockbox firmeware said only 40% charged |
14:02:23 | DanielW | stripwax: then i booted into original firmware and there again only about 50% |
14:03:02 | stripwax | DanielW : hm, what happens if you leave it in the original firmware and reconnect it to your pc, does it get up to full charge then? (i.e. is it a problem with rockbox, or maybe is your ipod battery just faulty?) |
14:03:07 | DanielW | just one question: this flashing between green and gray in original firmware while charging is normal? |
14:03:17 | stripwax | also try running the ipod down to completely flat (won't turn on) and then charging fully |
14:03:24 | stripwax | DanielW : - yes |
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14:03:54 | DanielW | ah, i thought something with my usb is wrong (the manual says i need a "high power usb connector" |
14:04:00 | kramdra | anyone know if the gigabeat remote works with rockbox? |
14:05:27 | stripwax | DanielW : - well that too. if your usb port isn't providing enough power to charge your ipod, then it won't charge .. so you've never used your ipod before putting rockbox on it? |
14:05:34 | DanielW | stripwax: one question last. the ipod manual has a charing screenshot where a big battery is in the middle of the screen. how do i get that? |
14:06:19 | DanielW | stripwax: not really. it is 3 days old, thats why i am asking that stupid questions. |
14:06:53 | stripwax | DanielW : - you boot into the apple os and connect the ipod to a dedicated battery charger, i think |
14:07:29 | stripwax | it might do it for usb charging too, if you have itunes set up to "not use disk mode" (so that plugging the usb in will leave it still running the apple os) |
14:07:31 | Amarok_Rules | does anyone know how to run ipodpatcher in ubuntu linux? |
14:07:41 | DanielW | ok, dedicated batter charger brings big charging screen. connecting to pc brings "do not disconnect screen" ? |
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14:08:10 | stripwax | yeah probably. i mean, the charging screen doesn't matter, right? it's just a picture .. |
14:08:28 | DanielW | while that is funny, there is no way to leave that do not disconnect screen without disconnecting ;-) |
14:08:33 | markun | kramdra: it does |
14:08:45 | stripwax | connecting to pc if you use the apple os on your ipod probably brings up the big charging screen too |
14:08:46 | markun | doesn't it work for you? |
14:08:56 | linuxstb | Amarok_Rules: Have you read the installation chapter in the manual? That describes how to use ipodpatcher. |
14:09:14 | DanielW | stripwax: not here, always "do not disconnect" |
14:09:17 | stripwax | DanielW- yes, you right click the icon on windows to Unplug Hardware, and then the ipod tells you it is safe to disconnect |
14:09:33 | DanielW | stripwax: using linux and the ipod is not mounted |
14:09:35 | stripwax | DanielW - like I said, "if you have itunes set up to not use disk mode". Anyway, none of this matters |
14:09:40 | stripwax | Oh, you're using linux. |
14:09:47 | stripwax | Well, who knows then |
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14:10:06 | stripwax | Probably better to ask in a linux or ipod forum then, not a rockbox forum ;-p |
14:10:35 | DanielW | i think this is a bug in the original apple firmware. even if the harddisk is not mounted it says not to disconnect |
14:10:41 | DanielW | stripwax: or a linux one |
14:10:54 | Slasheri | DanielW: if you "eject /dev/xxx" then "do not disconnect" disappears |
14:11:32 | DanielW | Slasheri: so who does the inject ? |
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14:12:09 | Slasheri | hmm, it's done automatically when you connect the device |
14:12:26 | Slasheri | same than in windows too |
14:12:33 | DanielW | ok |
14:12:49 | Slasheri | and eject does the same as the "unplug hardware" in windows |
14:13:54 | bluebrother | that "do not eject" is for windows users who forget to safely remove their hardware |
14:13:55 | DanielW | good to know. but i thought unmounting a device would be ok. eject is normaly to remove the media (for example by a cd rom drive open it) |
14:14:09 | bluebrother | as on windows this can cause data corruption. It's the same like unmounting on linux |
14:14:29 | bluebrother | and the ipod will always go into disk mode when connected to a usb port |
14:14:38 | Slasheri | DanielW: eject does both. Unmounts and then "removes the media" |
14:14:52 | Slasheri | however, just unmounting is enough as well |
14:14:57 | bluebrother | DanielW: if the Ipod is unmounted you can ignore that "do not connecte" |
14:15:03 | bluebrother | *disconnect |
14:15:09 | Slasheri | but ejecting spins down hard disk in disk mode and is better for charging |
14:15:17 | DanielW | ok, then one real rockbox question here |
14:15:30 | DanielW | ipod is off, hold is on |
14:15:41 | DanielW | the hold switch is switched to hold |
14:15:50 | DanielW | then i connect it to usb. rockbox boots |
14:16:06 | DanielW | but the problem |
14:16:20 | DanielW | it gives me a "cleared" messages and all settings and the database are lost |
14:16:20 | * | stripwax waits |
14:16:30 | DanielW | is this the way it should happen? |
14:16:40 | stripwax | Danielw - that's what booting rockbox with the hold switch on does. it's probably even mentioned in the manual |
14:16:40 | Slasheri | hold is used to reset settings if the does not boot |
14:16:58 | stripwax | although turning on with hold set to hold should boot the apple firmware. doesn't yours do that? |
14:17:04 | Slasheri | but afaik, database should not be removed |
14:17:07 | bluebrother | hmm. Just tried that, it boots into AppleOS (as expected) |
14:17:29 | stripwax | DanielW : - are you using an old bootloader? |
14:17:51 | DanielW | stripwax: ok you are right it boots in original firmware. but i tryied to set hold and then fastly remove it to boot in diskmode in apple firmware |
14:18:03 | DanielW | but it went into rockbox lol |
14:18:12 | DanielW | no, it must happen in an other way |
14:18:23 | Slasheri | that is the intended behaviour then |
14:18:37 | DanielW | but i deleted my settings 2 times that way now |
14:18:40 | bluebrother | then you enabled hold soo late |
14:18:40 | stripwax | DanielW - if you want to boot into apple diskmode you can hold menu+select until it reboots, then hold play+select |
14:18:55 | bluebrother | go to "browse cfg files" and open "config.cfg" |
14:18:56 | stripwax | or just leave hold turned to hold and plug in the usb cable |
14:19:15 | stripwax | or just leave hold turned off and plug in the usb cable, rockbox will reboot into disk mode anyway |
14:19:22 | DanielW | stripwax: just play+select without the hold switch? |
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14:19:35 | bluebrother | there are two times to enable hold: 1. while the bootloader runs. In that case the bootloader will run AppleOS |
14:19:57 | bluebrother | 2. while Rockbox starts up, after the bootloader. When enabling hold at that time the settings are reset to the defaults |
14:20:17 | stripwax | DanielW - if the hold switch is on, all of the keys are ignored, right? You have to turn hold off if you want to press the keys |
14:20:29 | stripwax | or - just plug it in - and leave the hold switch alone |
14:20:37 | DanielW | that doesn't work |
14:20:38 | stripwax | in fact, just always leave the hold switch alone :-) |
14:20:43 | stripwax | "what" doesn't work |
14:20:55 | DanielW | just connect it with usb to get into diskmode |
14:21:04 | stripwax | why not |
14:21:14 | bluebrother | enable hold first. It will boot AppleOS, and that will go to disk mode |
14:21:41 | DanielW | yes original firmeware goes into diskmode when connecting with usb |
14:21:53 | stripwax | bluebrother : - I think DanielW is saying that when he plugs it in to his pc while running rockbox, it doesn't go into diskmode.. |
14:21:55 | bluebrother | well, Rockbox is different :p |
14:22:05 | DanielW | stripwax: yes |
14:22:16 | stripwax | bluebrother : - are you sure? Has this changed recently? |
14:22:16 | bluebrother | ah. That makes things different ... |
14:22:41 | stripwax | DanielW : - so, what happens, when you're running rockbox and plug it into your pc |
14:22:44 | bluebrother | stripwax: not that I know of. If hold is enabled during boot the bootloader will go to AppleOS. |
14:22:47 | stripwax | anything? nothing? does it try and charge |
14:23:00 | DanielW | what is the way to directly boot into apple diskmode? i mean the original bootloader can do that, and rockbox does start the original firmware when i use the hold switch |
14:23:03 | stripwax | bluebrother - we're talking about after it's already booted, I thought |
14:23:22 | * | bluebrother confused |
14:23:31 | stripwax | DanielW- exactly how I already said. 1. reboot using select+menu - 2. hold select+play |
14:23:45 | * | stripwax too |
14:24:06 | stripwax | but why would you want to boot into apple diskmode? and what makes you think rockbox doesn't work properly |
14:24:12 | DanielW | stripwax: i think it is charging, but charging in a way to not fill that think (but that need to be tested, i am new to the ipod, don't know charging times) |
14:24:30 | stripwax | what has disk mode got to do with charging though? |
14:24:34 | DanielW | stripwax: ok step 1. is clear |
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14:24:41 | stripwax | do you want to boot your ipod into diskmode? or do you just want to charge your ipod? |
14:24:51 | DanielW | but 2. the hold think not |
14:24:57 | stripwax | the hold think not? |
14:25:16 | DanielW | should i hold the seclect+play buttons or should i use hold + select + play? |
14:25:33 | stripwax | when the ipod reboots (screen goes black, you get a little apple logo in the middle), take your finger off Menu and press and hold the Play button instead. |
14:25:44 | stripwax | Not the HOLD BUTTON, "hold" the play button down ...... |
14:25:54 | DanielW | ah |
14:26:04 | DanielW | why would that boot diskmode |
14:26:17 | stripwax | so select+menu , then as soon as screen goes black, select+play |
14:26:24 | stripwax | DanielW : - what? why? because it does! Ask Apple |
14:26:38 | DanielW | but the first bootloader is starts is the rockbox one right? |
14:26:46 | stripwax | I still don't see what diskmode has got to do with your charging problem though |
14:26:50 | DanielW | and the rockbox one should not know anything about select+play for diskmode or? |
14:26:51 | stripwax | DanielW- "wrong" |
14:27:13 | stripwax | #the first thing the ipod does is run the apple firmware, which then loads either the rockbox bootloader, or the ipod bootloader, or launches diskmode |
14:27:59 | stripwax | apple firmware is the one that knows about select+play |
14:28:09 | DanielW | ah |
14:28:18 | stripwax | try it. ses that it works. |
14:28:22 | DanielW | ok |
14:28:55 | stripwax | So anyway, tell me, what does diskmode have to do with charging your batteries? Did you try plugging your ipod into a powered usb hub or a 500ma usb port? |
14:29:11 | DanielW | yeah, a black and grey diskmode :-) |
14:29:16 | DanielW | never seen that |
14:29:20 | DanielW | before |
14:30:02 | stripwax | DanielW - does it help you? why did you want to boot into diskmode |
14:30:19 | DanielW | i think it s nothing to do with charging. i think that charging in rockbox doesn't work as good. or it stops when it is full (that is great) but then it does use the battery again until it is at 40% again |
14:30:28 | DanielW | diskmode just to fill it with musik |
14:30:44 | stripwax | DanielW : - just plug your ipod in to your pc! It will go into diskmode automatically!! |
14:30:59 | DanielW | not with rockbox |
14:31:26 | stripwax | DanielW- mine does. are you using an official rockbox build, or one of the unofficial, unsupported 'patched' builds? |
14:31:49 | stripwax | some of the patched builds require you to hold down the MENU key when pluggin in usb to get it to connect for diskmode |
14:31:59 | DanielW | oh, sorry, i think that could be the problem. :-/ |
14:32:03 | stripwax | G A H |
14:32:03 | bluebrother | stripwax: seems he experiences the reboot hang :( |
14:32:31 | bluebrother | but I have heard of that hang only on the mini yet. |
14:32:47 | stripwax | so, DanielW - if you're using an unsupported build, please make that very clear right at the start, otherwise we end up wasting time like this. |
14:32:48 | DanielW | no |
14:32:55 | DanielW | sorry |
14:32:58 | stripwax | bluebrother : - er, what? |
14:33:16 | bluebrother | ah. Just read the thing about the unsupported build ... |
14:33:19 | stripwax | and unsupported means - ask the author of that build for support |
14:33:37 | bluebrother | on the mini there is a problem: it sometimes crashes when rebooting to disc mode. |
14:33:52 | bluebrother | I can reproduce that problem on my mini sometimes, but not always |
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14:38:52 | raphi | any possibility to create the music-db on the computer and not on the player? |
14:39:40 | stripwax | raphi : - there used to be (in fact that used to be the only way to do it) but not sure you can do that any more. why would that be useful? |
14:39:47 | stripwax | just cos it might be faster? |
14:39:58 | raphi | yes |
14:40:04 | stripwax | DanielW : - so did holding down MENU while pluggin in usb work,.. or not .. ?? |
14:40:08 | raphi | and because of the accu power... |
14:40:14 | DanielW | yeah a general library for doing that would be nice |
14:40:19 | stripwax | "accu power"? |
14:40:41 | DanielW | battery runtime |
14:40:59 | raphi | to fully create it, it take 20 min i guess, and takes 10-20 percent battery runtime.. |
14:41:01 | stripwax | ok. well, nothing I'm aware of. Hey, you could always run the SIM version of rockbox and copy the db files ;-) |
14:41:01 | bluebrother | stripwax: akku = german for rechargeable battery |
14:41:16 | DanielW | stripwax: did not try it yet, because it is just so nice charging |
14:41:33 | raphi | the sim runs under linux, right? |
14:41:33 | stripwax | okie doke. slipping in foreign languages into an english-speaking forum is going to confuse me.. |
14:41:41 | stripwax | raphi - yeah or windows |
14:42:01 | DanielW | a library for that, would it make possible to fully support rockbox in amarok. mhhh |
14:42:13 | * | stripwax has never used amarok |
14:42:16 | DanielW | like it does with libgpod |
14:42:23 | DanielW | for ipods |
14:42:28 | raphi | ok, i'll try, and is there a know bug, when i update the db, that some entries are double or triple? |
14:42:31 | Slasheri | bluebrother: akku is Finnish as well :) |
14:42:34 | bluebrother | raphi: there is a script in the tools/ folder |
14:42:38 | DanielW | you can use it as general media player |
14:42:55 | bluebrother | not sure if it's still up-to-date |
14:43:12 | DanielW | raphi: yes you can find something about that in the wiki |
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14:43:34 | raphi | ok, thanks |
14:44:02 | stripwax | bluebrother - for some reason I thought it wasn't up-to-date |
14:44:11 | stripwax | since the player can now do all the work |
14:44:29 | paul38 | Hi, When will the rockbox crew release a version for other targets like iriver and Ipod? |
14:44:30 | bluebrother | I think someone updated it recently. IIRC :) |
14:44:56 | bluebrother | paul38: what do you mean? There are versions around. |
14:45:06 | bluebrother | just nothing labelled "release" yet. |
14:45:09 | stripwax | cool |
14:45:11 | paul38 | I mean a stable release |
14:45:17 | bluebrother | don't ask. |
14:45:20 | stripwax | it's pretty stable, no? |
14:45:40 | paul38 | yes... ok Thanks |
14:45:56 | bluebrother | the next release most likely will only add coldfire platforms. I.e. no Ipods. |
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14:46:01 | stripwax | there won't be an "official" release until all known issues are resolved |
14:46:10 | bluebrother | wow, he left quick. |
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14:49:02 | DanielW | what are the top issues for ipods? |
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14:49:18 | DanielW | battery runtime? |
14:49:33 | bluebrother | yes. |
14:49:41 | bluebrother | that's a major one. |
14:49:47 | DanielW | other? |
14:49:52 | linuxstb | Plus lack of CPU power - we're not using both CPU cores effectively. |
14:49:58 | bluebrother | Coprocessor. |
14:50:42 | DanielW | lack of cpu power mhh, i seems to play everything fine here |
14:50:51 | DanielW | it |
14:50:57 | bluebrother | in other words, it's mostly not features but performance. |
14:51:08 | DanielW | ok |
14:51:09 | linuxstb | Try a high bitrate MP3 at the same time as using the software DSP effects (eq, crossfeed etc) |
14:51:23 | bluebrother | linuxstb: beat me ;-) |
14:51:38 | DanielW | ah ok, do not use software dsp things |
14:51:55 | linuxstb | i.e. we want all Rockbox features to work as well on the ipods as the other devices. |
14:52:19 | DanielW | and from the give hardware the ipod should be able to do that? |
14:52:21 | bluebrother | you can use software dsp, but it depends on codec, bitrate etc how good it works |
14:52:22 | DanielW | given |
14:52:33 | linuxstb | DanielW: If we used both cores effectively, yes. |
14:52:49 | linuxstb | Or maybe even with a single core with more optimisation. |
14:53:37 | DanielW | and power: two cores both used "half" or one core used fully what would be less power consuming? |
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14:59:15 | bluebrother | there is the suspection that some part of the hardware isn't initialized correctly, thus drawing too much power. |
14:59:33 | bluebrother | there was a simiar issue with the usbotg-chip in the h300 and x5 |
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15:02:10 | stripwax | hm, can we not infer how to power up required devices from the ipod firmware? |
15:04:18 | * | stripwax thought the ipodlinux guys must have already done that step |
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15:08:48 | DanielW | mhh one normal rockbox user question: how do i add a few albums (from different artists) to the current playlist? |
15:08:54 | DanielW | (from the database) |
15:09:21 | DanielW | to add the first one is clear, but if i want to add the second the first one is removed |
15:09:29 | stripwax | hold select |
15:09:33 | stripwax | menu appears |
15:09:37 | DanielW | yes |
15:09:42 | stripwax | "insert next" |
15:09:50 | DanielW | but that only inserts one track |
15:10:05 | linuxstb_ | Insert the folder, not a file |
15:10:25 | stripwax | actually, i'm sure this is also all in the manual :-p |
15:10:37 | DanielW | isi read the manual |
15:10:39 | DanielW | i |
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15:11:22 | stripwax | so you read this bit http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-640004.4.3 |
15:11:37 | stripwax | where it says you can invoke playlist actions on folders |
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15:11:59 | stripwax | "The Playlist Submenu can be used to add either single tracks or entire directories to a playlist. If the Playlist Submenu is invoked on a single track, it will put only that track into the playlist. On the other hand, if the Playlist Submenu is invoked on a directory, Rockbox adds all of the tracks in that directory to the playlist. |
15:11:59 | stripwax | Note: You can control whether or not Rockbox includes the contents of sub-directories when adding an entire directory to a playlists. Set the Settings ? General Settings ? Playlist ? Recursively Insert Directories setting to Yes if you would like Rockbox to include tracks in sub-directories as well as tracks in the currently-selected directory. " |
15:13:20 | stripwax | I think the manual should be more clear that this works from the database browser too, however. |
15:14:02 | DanielW | ok |
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15:14:35 | DanielW | there should be a shortcut to just a the selected song to playlist |
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15:14:52 | DanielW | with the playlist menu i need a lot of steps to do that |
15:15:09 | DanielW | or is there already? |
15:15:22 | stripwax | DanielW - hm, if you turn on "Party Mode", then the default action is to enqueue. but Party Mode has other implications too.. |
15:15:42 | stripwax | I agree there should be an option to make the default action enqueue without having to switch on party mode |
15:15:59 | DanielW | enqueue? |
15:16:06 | stripwax | I think someone discussed this also on irc sometime last week |
15:16:08 | DanielW | does mean only add one track? |
15:16:14 | stripwax | enqueue −−> put into playlist rather than play immediately |
15:17:12 | DanielW | i mean to add only the current selected song not the complete folder (or view in database mode) in a short way. over the playlist menu it takes some time just to add a single track |
15:17:45 | stripwax | DanielW : - it's currently not a lot of steps though, is it? hold select, go to playlist, go to inser |
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15:18:30 | DanielW | that are a lot of steps just to insert one track. what about using the play button for that? |
15:18:36 | stripwax | Yes, that's what I mean too : to make putting "whatever is currently selected" (be it a track or a folder) into the playlist |
15:18:42 | DanielW | the next adds all tracks, the play button only the one selected |
15:18:47 | stripwax | The Play button is used to Play or Pause the music |
15:19:08 | stripwax | Pressing Play goes to the 'while playing screen' |
15:19:16 | DanielW | mhh |
15:19:27 | stripwax | It's all been thought out and discussed and documented in the manual ;-) |
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15:19:42 | pengo | hahahaha |
15:19:47 | pengo | "documented in the manual" |
15:19:49 | stripwax | DanielW : - also don't forget, Rockbox runs the same way on all the devices. Some devices have fewer buttons than others. |
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15:20:00 | pengo | i suppose you've also documented how you expect people to read it |
15:20:05 | DanielW | ok but i think there are a lot of users who want to add this track, and that track, and an other track, and that would take them very long the way rockbox does it |
15:20:16 | stripwax | DanielW : - so use Party Mode? |
15:20:42 | DanielW | where is it documented? |
15:20:54 | pengo | the descriptions are terrible. you need to have documention on the device itself. |
15:21:12 | stripwax | DanielW - or, perhaps, come up with a proposal to make the behaviour of the Select button configurable (Play immediately or Add to playlist) |
15:21:41 | DanielW | no that is not my problem |
15:22:03 | stripwax | pengo/DanielW - seriously, is this description terrible? http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-350004.1.1 |
15:22:04 | DanielW | my problem is the behaviour in adding the complete view of tracks and not the single selected one |
15:22:23 | pengo | stripwax: the fact it's not on my rockbox itself, yes. |
15:22:26 | stripwax | DanielW : - but you just said "that ared a lot of steps just to insert one track" |
15:22:32 | DanielW | yes |
15:22:33 | stripwax | pengo - ahhhh... gotcha |
15:22:39 | DanielW | to insert "one track" |
15:22:47 | DanielW | that is the think |
15:22:48 | stripwax | DanielW - so do you want to insert "one track" or "one entire folder" or what? |
15:23:12 | stripwax | or do you want a playlist containing "everything on your mp3 player" |
15:23:40 | DanielW | my first question here was how to add different albums to playlists, it got answered |
15:23:41 | DanielW | but now |
15:23:54 | DanielW | i am asking for a fast way to add a few single songs to the playlist |
15:24:04 | DanielW | at the moment that is really a hard job |
15:24:06 | stripwax | DanielW - "Party Mode" ? |
15:24:12 | stripwax | did you try it? |
15:24:29 | DanielW | no, i am asking for the documention for that |
15:24:33 | stripwax | In the manual |
15:24:36 | pengo | I've always ignored party mode because i assumed it meant random/shuffle or something. if it's not obvious it needs to be documented on the device when you're selecting it. |
15:24:57 | stripwax | DanielW - You want me to search for a page to link to the Party Mode documentation in the manual? |
15:25:02 | DanielW | |
15:25:02 | DanielW | Enables unstoppable music playback. When new songs are selected, they are queued at the end of the current dynamic playlist instead of being played immediately. Pausing and stopping playback is disabled as well as skipping songs and launching plugins. |
15:25:06 | DanielW | no |
15:25:16 | DanielW | if that is correct it has nothing to do with my problem |
15:25:26 | stripwax | Right. So what's the alternatvie? I think, the alternative is, to enable rockbox users to configure the behaviour of the Select button. |
15:25:31 | stripwax | Which is what I said earlier |
15:25:45 | stripwax | to which you said "no that is not my problem" |
15:25:50 | DanielW | my problem is i go to database -> artist -> an album -> select a song and now how to just add that track not the whole album |
15:26:09 | pengo | DanielW: sounds like you'd need a context menu |
15:26:12 | stripwax | yes, currently you have to hold select, go to playlist -> insert |
15:26:32 | pengo | that doesn't sound hard |
15:26:39 | stripwax | that's what i said |
15:26:43 | DanielW | i have to hold select, then i have to select playlist, and then there is the option insert. and then i have to press next |
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15:26:47 | linuxstb | DanielW: It's obvious that you want Rockbox to behave differently to how it does - so either change Rockbox so it works like you want it to, or submit a feature request and hope someone else wants that feature too. |
15:26:49 | DanielW | that are 4 or 5 more steps |
15:27:06 | stripwax | DanielW : - my proposal is to reduce it to 1 step, and you didn't like that either |
15:27:13 | stripwax | how can you do it with fewer than 1 steps, I'm not sure ... |
15:27:17 | DanielW | for a complete normale operation on a mp3 player (add a track to playlist) |
15:27:35 | DanielW | sorry, i am just asking if i miss something |
15:27:43 | DanielW | a smarter way to do that i do not know |
15:28:06 | stripwax | DanielW - is making Select configurable not smart enough? How would *you* think rockbox should work |
15:28:09 | Slasheri | hmm, i think too a configurable select behaviour would be good. I never add whole folder to a playlist by selecting a single song but selecting the entire folder if i want it to be added |
15:28:58 | stripwax | DanielW - btw, yes, adding a track to a playlist is a normal operation, but one Apple didn't even think about including on their ipod. Playing a track is a far more normal operation than building a dynamic playlist, so Select plays a track |
15:29:04 | DanielW | yes, select folder to add folder (or in database select "view") or select track to add track, would be nice |
15:29:21 | stripwax | ok, so it would work, as a solution to your problem. just so we're on the same page. |
15:29:45 | DanielW | select does not play a track |
15:30:02 | stripwax | what does it do then |
15:30:24 | DanielW | select makes the current folder to the new current playlist and starts playback add the selected track |
15:30:28 | DanielW | at |
15:30:41 | pengo | stripwax: making "select" behaviour configurable is horrible. less modes is better. instead make the first option in the context menu "tag" and allow multiple items to be "tagged" and then allow the user to add all of them at once to the end or next (etc) in the playlist. |
15:31:13 | stripwax | pengo - so that won't help DanielW much. |
15:32:05 | DanielW | what about holding "play" to just add a the selected song? |
15:32:10 | stripwax | DanielW - well, yes. if you select a track to play it, it plays. what would you prefer to happen when the track finished (silence?) |
15:32:28 | stripwax | DanielW - because that is STOP currently. And if you hold it even longer, OFF. |
15:32:39 | DanielW | ok then holding next |
15:32:54 | stripwax | Select and Next on ipod do the same thing on an individual track |
15:33:08 | stripwax | Maybe that would work on ipod, but might not work on devices that have fewer buttons |
15:33:20 | DanielW | mhh |
15:33:41 | stripwax | DanielW - but did you understand my point about Select playing a track? It does play a track currently. It also creates a new dynamic playlist. |
15:34:35 | stripwax | pengo - but i do like the idea |
15:34:44 | DanielW | don't get me wrong i like rockbox and thank the devs for the work. but i think in terms of usability it has some serious problems. even it it would work total stable and bugless i would not recommend it to someone who is not used to weird working thinks *g* |
15:35:02 | DanielW | for example my brother |
15:35:32 | stripwax | DanielW : ok so let's make a list, and constructively figure out how to solve each of the serious problems you think rockbox has in terms of usability |
15:35:34 | DanielW | stripwax: yes, but i don't want it to create a new playlist, instead it should just add that one track to the playlist |
15:36:12 | stripwax | DanielW - yes - you said - and the way to add one track to the playlist is to go through the playlist menu. And I suggested we could change rockbox to make the Select button do this by default, instead. Does that make sense? |
15:36:38 | stripwax | (^by default - configurable as "the action to perform") |
15:36:48 | stripwax | (so not everyone's default, just yours) |
15:36:52 | DanielW | yes that would be nice |
15:36:55 | stripwax | right |
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15:36:59 | stripwax | phew |
15:37:03 | DanielW | *g* |
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15:37:25 | stripwax | DanielW - so, in the meantime, since this feature doesn't exist yet, what are you going to do |
15:37:29 | DanielW | they should add more buttons to the ipod |
15:37:35 | * | stripwax laughs |
15:37:40 | pengo | i still haven't worekd out what DanielW's asking for exactly, but perhaps i think you need a configurable party mode e.g. [x] allow pause, [x] only allow stop only at end of track, etc. [x] always insert tracks next.. when playlist ends: (x) choose random ( ) repeat playlist ( ) stop |
15:37:41 | stripwax | yes, they should. |
15:37:53 | stripwax | pengo - ooh, nice. fiddly, though. |
15:38:08 | stripwax | pengo - really that's no longer Party Mode though, it's just "restrictions" |
15:38:10 | pengo | stripwax: less fiddly than changing your default select mode |
15:38:12 | DanielW | stripwax: i am going to use the context menu |
15:38:20 | stripwax | DanielW- ok. |
15:38:40 | pengo | stripwax: party mode / DJ mode.. different people party differently |
15:38:43 | stripwax | pengo - mm, you think? |
15:38:51 | stripwax | pengo - chuckle |
15:39:00 | DanielW | an option for what select should do (add and direct play or just add and if it should just the selected or all) |
15:40:13 | DanielW | stripwax: mhh if i select a folder and then press next what happens? get all folders in the current folder (where that folder is in) added to the playlist? |
15:40:23 | stripwax | pengo - I still think putting the "always insert" behaviour under Party Mode would just mean some users choose to always run in Party Mode with that switch turned on. not really a party. |
15:40:48 | pengo | stripwax: i'd like any rockbox i pick up to work the same.. UNLESS it's in party mode.. if i'm DJ'ing at a club i dont want to it to stop ever.. if i'm at a small gathering i want to stop it for the phone.. etc |
15:40:58 | stripwax | DanielW - no, it will just 'step into' that directory... |
15:41:07 | stripwax | See my point earlier about Recursively Insert |
15:41:28 | DanielW | ok and select? |
15:41:31 | pengo | stripwax: the point is you can still turn off party mode and use it "normally" |
15:41:33 | stripwax | pengo - ok, cool. |
15:42:22 | pengo | is there a way to mark podcasts so they're not randomly shuffled to (during your party or otherwise)? |
15:42:37 | stripwax | DanielW - yes, select will 'step into' that directory too. I mean, try it, and see for yourself, what everything does. |
15:44:38 | DanielW | ok i tried |
15:44:39 | stripwax | pengo - just that some people have a different interpretation of 'normal',. But I agree, making rockbox "work the same way" makes a whole lot of sense. Perhaps Party Mode could just be called Custom Mode (although that's rather stuffy) and to get a 'normal' rockbox you just turn off Custom Mode (i.e. turn off Party Mode as you say) |
15:44:54 | stripwax | naming doesn't really matter, I'll shut up on that now. |
15:45:08 | pengo | stripwax: same diff, but party mode sounds better :) |
15:45:21 | stripwax | but yeah, I like the idea of putting all the 'well my default should be x not y' into a single mode which you can then just turn off |
15:45:26 | stripwax | :) |
15:45:32 | pengo | nods |
15:45:42 | pengo | i could rant to you about interface decisions for hours :) |
15:45:47 | stripwax | best not :) |
15:45:58 | pengo | i like nokia. |
15:46:17 | DanielW | s60? |
15:46:42 | DanielW | ok cu |
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15:46:49 | stripwax | seriously? even if you turn on "first name first" option in Contacts application, it still shows last name first in Messaging application.. |
15:47:05 | stripwax | anyway, OT |
15:47:07 | pengo | i like those old crap b+w nokias. they're usable. |
15:47:12 | pengo | i dunno about s60's |
15:47:13 | stripwax | agree there |
15:47:28 | pengo | i have a 6230i if that means anything |
15:47:32 | stripwax | s60's = trying to hard and making dumb mistakes on the way |
15:47:37 | pengo | tho the mp3 player is pretty crap :) |
15:47:53 | stripwax | had a 6230, pretty nice, got a n70, pretty flashy yet slow and awkward to actually get anything done on it |
15:48:03 | pengo | heh |
15:48:32 | * | stripwax nearly got employed to work on s60 apps .. that was a close call .. |
15:48:48 | pengo | i got a DSLR, and it takes all my spare gadget cash now |
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15:54:20 | kramdra | stupid question.. i can guess theres not... but is there a pdf reader for rockbox? |
15:54:54 | stripwax | nope |
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15:56:19 | stripwax | someone could try and port xPDF if they had spare time and nothing to do |
15:56:22 | kramdra | hmm... i guess i could just copy and paste the text but picures would have been usefull.. is there any plugins that can do html or other formats? |
15:57:21 | stripwax | nope |
15:57:26 | stripwax | bitmap? jpeg? :-p |
15:57:55 | kramdra | could try.. can rockbox scroll large bitmaps? |
15:57:58 | stripwax | an html renderer would be marginally useful (e.g. for pengo's idea of on-device documentation) |
15:58:11 | stripwax | kramdra - not sure .. it can scroll large jpegs though I'm pretty sure |
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15:58:57 | pengo | stripwax: i was thinking small bits of plain text :) |
15:59:26 | pengo | within the interface.. not a separate "RTFM" application |
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15:59:40 | pengo | but yes, it scrolls large jpg's.. so you could convert a pdf to jpgs in theory |
15:59:46 | kramdra | same thing :) you just reminded me i want to try putting a map of local area on it, in jpeg/bitmap |
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16:01:02 | stripwax | pengo - oh! :-) that popup while you're using the interface, like on the old nokias .. |
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16:01:26 | pengo | stripwax: my 6230 does it too :) |
16:01:29 | gioele | kramdra: you can convert single PDF pages to PNGs with imagemagick |
16:01:54 | stripwax | pngs are no use |
16:02:10 | gioele | well, jpegs then |
16:02:20 | gioele | can't rockbox show them? |
16:02:28 | bluebrother | pengo: if you want the manual on the player just build it yourself and use the make target manual-txt |
16:02:42 | bluebrother | that will convert the html manual to txt using links |
16:02:44 | stripwax | gioele - rockbox doesn't have a png viewer. |
16:03:13 | stripwax | bluebrother - I think he wants it integrated into the ui (somehow), rather than just a separate thing to refer to |
16:03:37 | bluebrother | blargh. Integrated manual is only a waste of space |
16:03:39 | stripwax | e.g. like on a context menu, it would show you something relevant to where you are |
16:03:51 | kramdra | I keep forgetting to unmount my gigabeat... is ther eanyway to turn write buffers off for all usb devices? |
16:03:53 | pengo | bluebrother: two lines of text is about 20 bytes. |
16:03:58 | stripwax | 'space'? |
16:04:11 | bluebrother | pengo: yes, but do that like 1000 times ... |
16:04:24 | stripwax | how is that using more space than storing the .txt manual on the device? |
16:04:28 | * | stripwax confused.. again .. |
16:04:29 | bluebrother | plus, on small displays there is no room for that. Using a larger font and an ipod mini ... |
16:04:59 | bluebrother | stripwax: you won't want to load the text snippets from disk every time, won't you? |
16:05:08 | bluebrother | plus, you need code that handles this |
16:05:14 | pengo | bluebrother: there's room on my nokia phone to do it. |
16:05:35 | bluebrother | well, you can't choose out of like 20 fonts on you phone |
16:05:46 | stripwax | well, yep, the feature doesn't exist yet, so it would need to be coded. why can't the system font be used? |
16:05:54 | pengo | even my camera has built-in context help |
16:05:55 | bluebrother | plus, nokia doesn't support older devices with small screens. |
16:06:22 | stripwax | not sure how that's relevant, old devices with small screens still had help built in |
16:06:29 | bluebrother | using sysfont will upset ipod video users −− they complain quite often about the small font ... |
16:06:33 | stripwax | whether they're supported now or not |
16:06:50 | bluebrother | but they don't use just a part of the screen for the help |
16:07:07 | pengo | bluebrother: i never said to use just part of the screen |
16:07:11 | stripwax | no, that's right, they show you the help on an otherwise empty screen |
16:07:21 | stripwax | would that be impossible for rockbox to do ..? |
16:07:53 | pengo | i didn't specify the "how" part quite deliberately, because it's non-obvious and there a few ways to go about it |
16:08:01 | bluebrother | I don't think it's impossible but too much work without any real benefit. |
16:08:19 | * | stripwax wonders how many times people on #rockbox have answered questions about how the ui works ,.. |
16:08:27 | pengo | bluebrother: no real benefit to the developers who know the interface backwards |
16:08:30 | bluebrother | you learn the steps you're using in most cases anyway. |
16:08:40 | * | bluebrother doesn't know the interface backwards |
16:08:49 | pengo | well then there's benefit to the developers |
16:08:52 | bluebrother | but simply thinking logically really helps |
16:09:05 | pengo | what does thinking logically tell you that "party mode" does? |
16:09:16 | stripwax | DanielW was thinking logically earlier .. |
16:09:28 | bluebrother | it's something that is used for parties. |
16:09:45 | stripwax | maybe it flashes the screen like party poppers? |
16:10:05 | pengo | i assumed it meant random/shuffle |
16:10:14 | bluebrother | hehe −− doesn't sound logical to me. As Rockbox is about *playing* music ... |
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16:10:48 | stripwax | maybe it plays a 'guess the intro' game. that's quite popular at parties |
16:11:06 | bluebrother | ok, we could argue about party mode. But what is about the rest of the ui? Is using a context menu to enqueue a track so unintuitive? |
16:11:18 | stripwax | bluebrother - apparently .... yes |
16:11:32 | pengo | about playing music? rockbox has a starfield simulator and sudoku. |
16:11:39 | * | stripwax chuckles |
16:11:49 | pengo | so let's think logically about that |
16:12:14 | stripwax | the starfield simulator is neat, but it could do with a bit more rotation/changing direction instead of just forward all the time |
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16:12:36 | * | stripwax has some old qbasic code somewhere, primed for porting to rockbox |
16:12:40 | pengo | it could do with a star-wars text scroll too.. or is that another plugin? |
16:12:48 | stripwax | oh wow. credits! |
16:12:51 | stripwax | :-_) |
16:12:54 | pengo | heh |
16:13:42 | pengo | but i'd like to see a "play 30% faster" option before i see in-ui help |
16:14:09 | stripwax | pitch menu? |
16:14:23 | pengo | tempo menu. faster without pitch change. |
16:14:33 | pengo | i still can't find pitch |
16:14:33 | stripwax | painful to do in realtime |
16:14:42 | pengo | it's not |
16:14:49 | stripwax | painful to do well in realtime.. |
16:14:57 | pengo | doesn't have to be well |
16:15:08 | stripwax | ok, pretty easy then. just skip blocks from the pcm buffer |
16:15:41 | pengo | it's just an fft transform and a tweak.. easy.. |
16:15:49 | stripwax | fft bleh |
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16:16:00 | pengo | but the skipping blocks would do me as a start |
16:16:04 | stripwax | linear crossfade and skipping chunks |
16:16:28 | pengo | but i think skipping chunks would end up raising the pitch or exactly doubling the speed |
16:16:31 | markun | pengo: I tried to implement it in a naive way a few days ago but the result sounded pretty bad :) |
16:16:39 | pengo | markun: cool :) |
16:16:58 | pengo | stripwax: linear crossfade.. hmm |
16:16:59 | stripwax | pengo - nah. fill up 100% of the pcm buffer, but playback skips say 100 bytes out of every 1000 bytes ->10% speedup |
16:17:31 | stripwax | markun - hm, how bad? I wrote the (original) pitchshifter plugin for Buzz that way, didn't seem too bad.. |
16:17:35 | markun | pengo: just watched when the audio signal passed 0 (from - to +) and then skipped samples until the next one |
16:17:38 | pengo | stripwax: 100 bytes out of a 1000 byte wave = 10% pitch increase |
16:17:48 | pengo | markun: heh |
16:17:53 | stripwax | pengo - not quite |
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16:18:05 | pengo | funny sounding 10% pitch increase |
16:18:06 | pengo | hmm |
16:18:18 | stripwax | pengo e.g. 1K out of 10K samples would sound like a speed increase not a pitch increase |
16:18:18 | pengo | just do a FFT already. There's C code everywhere. |
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16:18:33 | pengo | stripwax: yeah it could work |
16:18:35 | stripwax | pengo - seriously, fft is not going to be a fun way to do it |
16:18:49 | pengo | well don't do a FFT because mp3 has already done it for you |
16:19:02 | markun | pengo: feel free to implement it. A bad implementation is better than no implementaion at all imo |
16:19:15 | stripwax | ok so you need to transform from frequency domain to time domain in a nonstandard way which is also not fun |
16:19:27 | pengo | i haven't used C in years. i'd leak all over the place. |
16:19:44 | stripwax | markun - do you have a patch for your naive way |
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16:19:50 | markun | pengo: sounds like a good time to start using C again :) |
16:19:55 | stripwax | (patch / some code changes / anything) |
16:19:59 | bluebrother | there are other formats supported by rockbox that don't already have an fft ... |
16:20:01 | pengo | markun: heh :) |
16:20:18 | stripwax | bluebrother - right. and even then, fft would suck juice |
16:20:24 | pengo | bluebrother: yeah i know. they would need more cpu. |
16:20:27 | markun | stripwax: no, because I didn't implement it in rockbox but just in my own audio player for easy testing |
16:20:34 | pengo | the F in FFT stands for fast |
16:20:39 | stripwax | markun - ah ok |
16:20:56 | bluebrother | well, this doesn't tell anything about how fast it is ... |
16:21:08 | bluebrother | plus, we don't have a fpu |
16:21:10 | stripwax | pengo - chuckle. yeah, but then you have to do it twice (FFT + IFFT) for every block |
16:21:36 | pengo | you wont know til you try :) |
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16:22:04 | markun | or until YOU try |
16:22:18 | stripwax | pengo - most of the time spent decoding mp3 is in evaluating the DCT (discrete cosine transform - cousin of the fft). doing two more for every block will mean you end up running out of cpu and playback no longer realtime |
16:22:31 | pengo | hmm |
16:22:33 | stripwax | in fact you'd have to run the speed shift just to get tracks to sound realtime again :-) |
16:23:01 | stripwax | really think fft is not the way to go. |
16:23:25 | pengo | well this crappy 2gb ipod-like knockoff i have does tempo control somehow |
16:23:37 | stripwax | I'd have a quick stab at a naive block shift + crossfade over block boundaries .. but I'm away for the next week |
16:23:51 | stripwax | pengo - and it changes speed without changing pitch? maybe it's in hardware? |
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16:24:54 | pengo | stripwax: it's not a major feature (i didn't know about it til i found it).. but possibly in hardware.. i doubt it tho.. i haven't tested if it works on non-mp3s |
16:26:01 | markun | stripwax: do you have a link to the code of the plugin you were talking about? |
16:26:22 | stripwax | markun - hm, somewhere.. lemme look |
16:27:14 | stripwax | http://www.cyanwerks.com/buzzdev/machinesource.php?type=eff Chimp Pitchshifter on there somewhere. doesn't do any crossfading, just the basic block skip stuff |
16:27:29 | stripwax | markun - you mean the plugin for Buzz or a plugin for rockbox? sorry, maybe misunderstoof |
16:27:36 | markun | Buzz |
16:27:49 | markun | pengo: some info: http://www.dspdimension.com/index.html?timepitch.html |
16:28:14 | stripwax | markun - if you use Buzz, check out Chimp RePlay :-) |
16:28:26 | markun | I don't know what Buzz is even |
16:28:32 | stripwax | oh :( |
16:28:37 | stripwax | check out Buzz! :-) |
16:28:47 | pengo | markun: will check it out... |
16:29:03 | markun | stripwax: did you see the PM? |
16:29:20 | stripwax | or rather check out Aldrin, which is what all the cool kids are using |
16:29:21 | stripwax | http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/aldrin/ |
16:29:25 | stripwax | markun - oh, yep. sorry |
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16:35:16 | kramdra | decode a small buffer of audio, add the samples together... then pass to buffer? or would that not work atall? |
16:35:30 | pengo | some dayperhaps I shall journey to the strange city to whichthe sun goes at night. |
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16:37:50 | raphi | got problems while compiling.. "m68k-elf-gcc: Command not found". How is the package called under debian i need to install? |
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16:39:32 | obo | raphi: there is no package - use the tools/rockboxdev.sh script to download and compile it |
16:39:45 | raphi | obo: Thanks |
16:43:06 | stripwax | kramdra - not sure what "add the samples together" is going to do |
16:43:39 | stripwax | you mean like a running average? |
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16:56:59 | Toxicity | shit |
16:59:09 | petur | a whole bag of it? |
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17:17:37 | JamesT | Hey all - quick question - what happened to the Ajunt Blue theme.. I just updated for the first time in a month and now I have a more generic playscreen then the nice A.B. one |
17:17:57 | p3tur | is it gone? |
17:18:10 | JamesT | Just updating again - I'll see if it was just a bad upgrade for me... |
17:18:20 | JamesT | on my ipod video it seemed it was.. |
17:19:07 | p3tur | oh, gone on your player. With the new wps code, if the wps contains an error it will show the default wps |
17:19:18 | JamesT | Ah |
17:19:56 | JamesT | And the other problem I'm having is I'm getting loadtime errors (this just started happening with the newest build...) 'Undefined instructions at 043a2148) ...oy |
17:20:35 | p3tur | define 'loadtime' |
17:20:53 | JamesT | Disc is still spinning from boot-up |
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17:21:48 | JamesT | ok, reattempt - It's not doing it solely on bootup... |
17:21:54 | p3tur | I'm not very familiar with ipods... maybe your bootloader is too old? |
17:23:11 | JamesT | Doesn't the newest loader come with the newest build? |
17:23:54 | bluebrother | no |
17:24:04 | bluebrother | you need to install (and update) the bootloader separately |
17:24:28 | bluebrother | and if your error is a "data abort" you most likely have an outdated bootloader −− when did you install? |
17:24:47 | JamesT | 6 - 8 months ago now? |
17:25:09 | bluebrother | ok, that is too old. Reinstall the bootloader like the manual describes. |
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17:25:15 | JamesT | okie dokie |
17:25:16 | JamesT | ;) |
17:25:21 | JamesT | Thanks for the help |
17:25:35 | bluebrother | ipodpatcher will recognize the old bootloader and update it −− no need to uninstall first. |
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17:31:09 | JamesT | Hm - just installed the bootloader, still getting that 'undefined instruction' error as I'm just moving through menus |
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17:33:33 | JamesT | hm.. i think it might be a problem with the mp3 file I was playing.. just loaded something else and it's fine... going to see if I can recreate |
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17:36:57 | JamesT | Still getting 'undefined instructions' at seemingly random times... having a problem recreating it |
17:38:26 | JamesT | hmm - going to defrag the ipod and see if there are any bad sectors and basic cleaning stuff |
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17:44:07 | JamesT | Just updated with a week old build - mid-playing music I am now getting 'Data Abort' which is replacing earlier when it was 'Undefined Instructions' - but they seem to be the same error... anyone, pretty please? :) |
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17:48:51 | gioele | rockbox supports Replay Gain via the RGAD ID3v2 field. Which application sets it? |
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17:59:59 | DC1 | 'lo |
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18:01:38 | bluebrother | gioele: foobar can do |
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18:06:31 | gioele | bluebrother: (I use linux) it seems to me that foobar has support for TXXX fields only and not RGAD fields |
18:07:11 | j257 | Hi people. I have just installed rockbox onto my Ipod Video 80Gb as described in installation docs. After rebooting, device doesn't boot - i see an white aplle on black screen. It doesn't enter USB mode. What should i do? |
18:07:46 | j257 | Some days ago i have installed rockbox on another iPod Video 30Gb - it works perfect |
18:08:29 | Overand | j257: have you tried resetting it? |
18:08:36 | j257 | yes |
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18:08:42 | Overand | as in- you can get it unstuck from said mode? hm |
18:08:58 | Overand | i'm not an expert though, sorry |
18:08:59 | j257 | i have reset it many times, with hold on and off |
18:10:04 | bluebrother | gioele: well, I used foobar to replaygain my mp3 files, so either it uses RGAD or Rockbox supports the TXXX field used by foobar. |
18:10:11 | bluebrother | don't know exactly ... |
18:10:44 | bluebrother | j257: you should be able resetting and going into emergency disk mode |
18:10:54 | gioele | bluebrother: well, that's enough :) |
18:11:25 | bluebrother | gioele: but I'm also looking for some tool to replaygain my mp3 files from linux. Haven't found one yet :( |
18:12:08 | gioele | bluebrother: there is a TXXX tool available on the rockbox mailing list |
18:12:19 | j257 | bluebrother: oh, thanks a lot =) |
18:13:11 | gioele | "Replaygain: New beta version of unix tagger" http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-05/0207.shtml |
18:14:52 | gioele | bluebrother: that is for mp3s. vorbisgain and metaflac −−add-replay-gain are way better |
18:15:06 | bluebrother | hmm. Looks like I missed that email |
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18:16:25 | intgr | bluebrother: Why not mp3gain? |
18:17:02 | gioele | intgr: mp3gain produces weird APE tags that are not compatible with rockbox |
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18:18:04 | intgr | gioele: Oh... |
18:18:05 | gioele | bluebrother: that script has some problems POSIX sh. Replace first line with #!/bin/bash |
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19:03:58 | Bagder | scorche: 4.4 kg package is on its way |
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19:23:21 | n1s | DC1: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=13343 |
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19:39:23 | Toxicity | so, where can i go to get some good rockbox add-ons? or are all the available add-ons already in rockbox |
19:39:44 | n1s | Toxicity: that depends on what you mean by add-ons |
19:39:58 | Toxicity | like, games, utilities, ect. |
19:40:32 | n1s | Toxicity: There are a couple of half-finished plugins available in the tracker if you can compile yourself... |
19:40:47 | Toxicity | hmmm i'll check it out |
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19:44:57 | markun | Toxicity: the best way to get good add-ons is of course to write them yourself :) |
19:45:30 | badsheepy | what can you really add-on to a music player thats not a gimmick though :) |
19:45:58 | DC1 | nls: thanks for the hint |
19:46:39 | n1s | DC1: no problem, does the mod player require that? |
19:47:12 | * | n1s goes to the pub :-) |
19:47:25 | DC1 | nls: yes and no |
19:47:35 | DC1 | [_]} |
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20:06:51 | The-Compiler | Since wich year does Rockbox exist? |
20:07:19 | The-Compiler | Und wie steht das Spiel? |
20:07:32 | The-Compiler | Oops, sry |
20:07:41 | DerPapst | dunno.. good? |
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20:08:01 | DerPapst | (regarding "das spiel" :P) |
20:08:29 | Genre9mp3 | The-Compiler: look at the bottom of this page: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html |
20:10:44 | The-Compiler | Genre9mp3: 2001-12-07? |
20:11:10 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
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20:13:05 | DerPapst | i guess a bit earlier... |
20:13:33 | DerPapst | (takes time to write descramle.c too) |
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20:31:14 | jhMikeS | Is there any random guinea pig to check out this patch. I seem to have GPIO IRQs working on the e200 now for real but why now when it seems this didn't work before, I have no idea. If it works it's a commit. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=GPIO_IRQ.diff.txt |
20:32:10 | jhMikeS | If the buttons work, it's working right btw. |
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20:47:44 | DC1 | anyone tried to play .mid files lately? |
20:48:28 | DerPapst | yes. |
20:48:31 | DerPapst | not fun |
20:48:46 | DerPapst | you can play a simple 2 track midi file |
20:48:55 | DerPapst | but it plays too fast. |
20:49:37 | DerPapst | if you have a more complex midi file it will complain a lot (missing buffer) and then rockbox crashes. |
20:49:47 | DC1 | I've got two that crash on an month old build |
20:50:06 | DerPapst | but the lightshow is cool when you dap fades the backlight off (5G ipod) |
20:50:09 | DC1 | most likely the case |
20:50:32 | DC1 | DerPapst: indeed |
20:52:17 | DC1 | ok, got the svn compiled + mod player |
20:53:17 | DerPapst | there is a mod player for rb? |
20:53:22 | * | DerPapst has missed that |
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21:11:23 | Gr3yzero | Hey does anyone have any experience compiling rockbox in Kubuntu? |
21:11:39 | Bagder | Gr3yzero: should be the same as on any other linux |
21:13:14 | Gr3yzero | i'm running into that arm-elf-gcc error, and i can't seem to find where ubuntu installed the compiler |
21:13:21 | The-Compiler | Gr3yzero: I have |
21:13:31 | Bagder | that arm-elf-gcc error? |
21:13:49 | The-Compiler | Gr3yzero: I have experiences compiling rockbox in ubuntu |
21:13:50 | Bagder | and ubuntu should not have installed that compiler at all, afaik |
21:13:55 | Gr3yzero | when i go to configure it says it can't find arm-elf=gcc |
21:14:22 | Gr3yzero | i'm pretty sure i apt-got the all the gcc for arm |
21:14:27 | Bagder | Gr3yzero: and you installed it and have adjusted your PATH to your new installed compiler? |
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21:14:35 | Bagder | you need to follow the wiki |
21:14:37 | Gr3yzero | that's the thing |
21:14:50 | Gr3yzero | can't figure out where it got installed |
21:14:51 | Bagder | any apt from ubuntu is no good |
21:14:59 | The-Compiler | The compiler is installed an a another place, you must adjust the PATH as Badger said |
21:15:53 | Gr3yzero | wait the gccs from apt aren't going to work |
21:15:59 | Bagder | nope |
21:16:24 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
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21:18:11 | DC1 | Gr3yzero: I've got Feisty on amd64... no problems |
21:18:35 | Gr3yzero | what did you add to your path to get the compiler to work? |
21:18:48 | Gr3yzero | i'm running Feisty i386 flavor |
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21:21:53 | DC1 | Gr3yzero, in my case it was export PATH=$PATH:/home/adam/local/arm-elf/bin |
21:22:20 | Gr3yzero | did you make your copiler from source or install through apt? |
21:22:25 | Bagder | Gr3yzero: tools/rockboxdev.sh is your friend |
21:23:18 | Bagder | http://download.rockbox.org/cross-gcc/arm-elf-tools-base-gcc4.0.3.deb |
21:23:24 | Bagder | should work too... |
21:23:44 | DC1 | Gr3yzero, I've left the whole thing to the script... |
21:24:41 | DC1 | of course I have bunch of other dev tools installed such as make, etc |
21:26:36 | Bagder | the script checks for the most obvious ones these days |
21:26:47 | Gr3yzero | running the script now |
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21:27:27 | DC1 | back to trying to figure out why Klisje Paa Klisje has tempo problems |
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21:35:59 | Gr3yzero | is the album art patch currenntly in SVN? |
21:36:05 | Bagder | nope |
21:37:25 | Gr3yzero | did they pull it from the tracker? |
21:37:38 | Bagder | the ones that use it, yes I guess |
21:39:40 | Gr3yzero | is it available somewhere else? |
21:40:12 | Bagder | the patch? |
21:40:28 | Bagder | why is the tracker not good enough? |
21:40:41 | Gr3yzero | because it's no longer on the album art page |
21:41:08 | Gr3yzero | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 has nothing to download |
21:41:27 | Bagder | yes it does |
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22:08:36 | notlistening | Hello :) |
22:09:05 | notlistening | anyone there? |
22:09:14 | Bagder | yes |
22:09:26 | notlistening | hi |
22:09:44 | notlistening | I have come because I have quess what questions :p |
22:10:04 | Bagder | then ask |
22:10:25 | notlistening | lol sorry |
22:11:25 | notlistening | I have an X5 with dualboot on it and well there seem to be a problem with starting the player when I have the AC adapter connected and also the charing indicator does not work |
22:11:39 | notlistening | I was wondering if this was a know problem or I am doing somthing wrong? |
22:12:28 | Bagder | I don't think you can do much wrong |
22:12:33 | notlistening | otherwise this is a brilliant project |
22:12:46 | Bagder | and I'm not aware of this problem before, did you check the bug tracker? |
22:12:52 | notlistening | U am registered blind so it means I can now use my player again |
22:14:16 | scorche | Bagder: is iban/swift just a wire transfer? |
22:14:25 | notlistening | no I have stiooed here first as I find it very hard to trawl through the internet for information like that |
22:14:43 | Bagder | scorche: yes, iban/swift is a standard for that between banks |
22:14:50 | notlistening | sorry |
22:14:51 | Gr3yzero | by george i think i got it |
22:15:07 | Bagder | scorche: I've sent of the package today |
22:15:19 | Bagder | they say it should arrive between june 11 - 13 |
22:15:42 | scorche | nice timing =) |
22:16:08 | Bagder | yeah |
22:16:15 | Bagder | 4.4 kg! |
22:16:48 | scorche | ouch |
22:17:18 | notlistening | ok I will have a look further thanks for the information |
22:18:18 | notlistening | could I ask a quick question which media library are you using ? |
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22:21:57 | * | Bagder uses no media library at all |
22:22:15 | Chewie[] | does anyone in here actually have a sandisk sansa running rockbox? |
22:22:23 | Bagder | yes |
22:22:44 | Chewie[] | would you call it "worth it"? |
22:22:59 | Bagder | what does that mean? |
22:23:20 | Bagder | I'm a rockbox hacker since day 0 |
22:23:28 | Chewie[] | i intend to be as well. |
22:23:32 | Chewie[] | but i also need tunes. |
22:23:51 | Bagder | I wouldn't use a player without rockbox, or working on a rockbox port for it |
22:24:28 | Bagder | so I would say that if the sansa didn't run rockbox and I couldn't make it so, I'd get rid of it |
22:24:48 | Chewie[] | is it a piece of junk without rockbox? |
22:24:57 | Bagder | nah, I wouldn't say that |
22:25:07 | Chewie[] | ok, close enough. :-P |
22:25:09 | Bagder | it seemed OK, the little I used it |
22:25:55 | Chewie[] | you use the sansa primarily, or do you have an arsenal of other players with rockbox? |
22:26:15 | Bagder | I have 4 rockbox targets |
22:26:29 | Bagder | but no, I don't use my sansa a lot |
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22:30:43 | jhMikeS | Bagder: could take the opportunity and check my patch to be sure GPIO interrupts work on your e200 too? I've got to run out but will check the logs when I get back if you do. |
22:31:09 | Bagder | sorry, not now, I accidentally left my sansa at work yday |
22:31:11 | webguest00 | hi can anybody help me find the pacman roms i nedd for my ipod video? please? i already checked out the links in the manual but i cant find the roms in those sites. please help? |
22:31:35 | scorche | webguest00: that is something we cannot help you with |
22:31:46 | webguest00 | y? |
22:31:50 | jhMikeS | ah, ok. I try to avoid the "stick it in SVN and hope noone complains" tactic if possible. :) |
22:32:01 | Bagder | hehe |
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22:32:15 | scorche | webguest00: read the guidelines that are linked in the topic |
22:32:34 | webguest00 | isnt that a rockbox question? |
22:32:55 | scorche | more specifically, "Please do not discuss how to obtain copyrighted material illegally" |
22:33:10 | webguest00 | oh. it's illegal? |
22:33:20 | webguest00 | sorry i didnt know. |
22:33:22 | scorche | to find it on the internet, it is |
22:33:23 | webguest00 | : ( |
22:33:40 | webguest00 | ok thanks anyway. |
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22:34:41 | scorche | hrm...i was going to link him to the wiki, but /shrug |
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22:37:22 | markun | Gr3yzero: scroll down on that page |
22:37:27 | markun | oops |
22:37:31 | haemmy | hiho |
22:37:44 | markun | hi haemmy |
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23:08:38 | webguest66 | hi i would like to know if there is a way to add more games to rockbox? i want to add games to the plugins section like pacbox and doom those types of games. can i do that? |
23:09:43 | webguest66 | can i add more rocks? |
23:09:44 | markun | if you know how to code in C |
23:10:19 | webguest66 | no not really is it easy or hard? |
23:10:42 | markun | not so hard, but it takes some practice |
23:10:51 | webguest66 | oh |
23:10:56 | markun | do you know any other programming languages? |
23:11:02 | webguest66 | does it tell me how to do that in the manual? |
23:11:56 | markun | Are you asking if there is "a course in C programming" included in the rockbox manual? |
23:12:08 | desowin | webguest66: markun means "add more rocks" = "create more rocks" |
23:12:10 | webguest66 | no. |
23:12:46 | markun | desowin: ah, maybe I misinterpreted his question.. |
23:12:47 | webguest66 | i just wanted to know thats it. |
23:12:57 | webguest66 | is ok. |
23:13:00 | notlistening | Does anyone know the latest stable version of the X5 dual bootloader? |
23:13:22 | webguest66 | how can i play the demos that i downlaoded for doom? |
23:14:16 | markun | webguest66: that should be in the manual |
23:14:35 | webguest66 | oh thank you. |
23:14:39 | webguest66 | : ) |
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23:22:13 | webguest10 | hi it's me agian i have a quick question when i want to add demos to doom do i create a folder called demos in the domm folder? |
23:22:27 | webguest10 | .rockbox/doom/demos like that. |
23:22:31 | webguest10 | ??? |
23:22:51 | markun | I don't know, sorry |
23:22:55 | webguest10 | ok |
23:23:16 | webguest10 | thanks anyway. i'll try some other time. : ) |
23:23:23 | markun | ok, good luck |
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23:28:33 | notlistening | is doom only a demo so not the full game? |
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23:31:30 | RockingD | Hi. I'm testing RockBox on ipod 3G. I've noticed one interesting thing. rockbox accesses hdd about 4 times per minute to fill codec buffer, while when playing the same song on iaudio x5 it fills codec buffer only once. is that normal? |
23:32:39 | saratoga | that probably shouldn't happen |
23:32:54 | saratoga | but I don't know anyone here whos actively using the 3G, so its hard to say |
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23:33:25 | linuxstb_ | If you go to System -> Debug -> View audio thread, that will show you what's going on. |
23:34:01 | saratoga | linuxstb_: getting a lot closer on this WMA bug |
23:34:03 | saratoga | check this out |
23:34:04 | RockingD | yes, it shows me that codec buffer fills max to ~3MB, while the song size is about 8MB |
23:34:04 | saratoga | http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/progress.png |
23:34:16 | saratoga | red = fixed, blue = next bug to track down |
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