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#rockbox log for 2007-06-05

00:00:00Bagdernopes
00:00:11amiconnWhy is that?
00:00:16Bagderin fact, we have several that only do sh due to speed
00:00:24Bagdera few don't have sdl
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00:00:41limbuswhat's wrong with my configure script ?
00:00:58Bagdervery weird problem
00:01:01CardiniSorry, misnavigated away from this page. I may have missed anything said to me.
00:01:39limbusCardini, you were back very quickly:
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00:01:52amiconnBagder: If it's just for speed, it would imho be better to just use preferences rather than hard exclusions
00:01:52Bagderlimbus: can you to login as rbclient and try building?
00:02:20limbusjust executing acbuild or actually build ?
00:02:21Bagderamiconn: no, not until we do parallel builds
00:02:24amiconnCardini: You can look up everything in the logs...
00:02:28limbusone single config then
00:02:42Bagderlimbus: yes
00:02:47 Quit barrywardell_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:02:52Bagderjust an actual build as rbclient
00:03:05Bagderacbuild.pl is tricky to invoke
00:03:06Cardiniamiconn: How?
00:03:10Nico_Pwhere are the %YES%, %NO% and other variables from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide?raw=on defined ?
00:03:16limbuswhopsie
00:03:27limbuscalling ./acbuild.pl nuked all contents
00:03:36Bagderexactly
00:03:37Bagder;-)
00:03:45Bagder"svn up" and get the acbuild.pl script again
00:03:47Nico_PI've been trying to use them in another page without success
00:03:51limbusyes meant for me yes to the first question :)
00:04:13Bagderoh
00:04:38Bagderif you just show me your receipt, you'll get a full refund!
00:04:48CardiniSay, I'm new to IRC. What does an orange tint on someone's name mean?
00:05:23*Bagder doesn't know
00:05:31peturCardini: it means your nick was mentioned in that line
00:06:02CardiniAh. Thanks.
00:06:05*petur thinks this one was fairly obvious
00:06:41*Cardini thought that it was the prefixing of a name, but suspected it might be something else.
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00:07:58BagderI gotta sleep now, I put your server on the side for now limbus until we have checked the details
00:08:10limbusmhmkay
00:08:18limbusit currently builds well h300Sim
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00:09:49CardiniI've been having problems: after a certain date, any MP3s I add to my player are not in the database, showing up instead in files.
00:10:06amiconnNico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics
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00:10:58Nico_Pamiconn: yes, but actually in that particular page they seem to be defined as meta info, but I don't see how to set this meta info
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00:11:49CardiniUpdating my database didn't help, and initializing it resulted in a bug I mentioned earlier.
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00:21:36amiconnNico_P: Looks to me like the %YES% and %NO% aren't mapped to icons the normal way. They might be extensions provided by the table plugin (if we have that), meaning they would only work in tables
00:22:34Nico_PI thought that at one point but looking into the history (at the beginning of it, towards the first revisions), I see some "meta" definitions
00:25:57amiconnEh, it's in topic preferences
00:26:29Nico_Pwhere are those ?
00:26:38amiconnSelect 'more' in the topic's footer. At the bottom you'll find "Edit topic preference settings"
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00:27:32Nico_Poohh :) thanks
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00:28:34amiconnObscure feature, that :\
00:28:52JerryLangei noticed just now there is no current build for the ipod 5g
00:29:19limbusthat's my fault
00:29:30limbusmy machine did not properly build it
00:29:51JerryLangealright. just wondering if something went totally wrong
00:29:59limbuseh, yes :)
00:30:14limbusjust don't know yet what exactly made my rbclient go mad
00:30:27limbusit's nothing wrong in the code
00:30:32limbusmust be me or my machine
00:31:02JerryLangeok well thank you. i have to go though.
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01:18:30chrisjs169yay
01:18:33chrisjs169i just got my new sansa
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01:19:10*chrisjs169 isn't too fond of the new backing
01:21:22chrisjs169but i got an extra usb cable...
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01:22:39chrisjs169but the cable feels different...but it's got a new scrollwheel
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01:37:23chrisjs169limbus.dyndns.org is having problems with make - it failed to compile 29builds
01:37:47limbusjup
01:38:05chrisjs169hey - it looks like your server's having problems
01:38:18limbusthat's quite a while ago, happened with the first try to add my server to the farm
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01:38:34limbusit did not pass the test, so is not part of the farm at the moment
01:38:57chrisjs169the build master says differently - http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-20070604T215356Z.html
01:39:26limbusyes, that was the only one try
01:39:37chrisjs169ah, ok
01:39:57chrisjs169but now I need to compile a default sansa build from source :P
01:40:15limbusmhmm
01:40:27limbusyou can make somebody commit anything
01:40:33limbus:)
01:40:41chrisjs169lol
01:40:41limbusor grab an archived build
01:41:05chrisjs169yeah
01:41:24chrisjs169or just compile it manually :)
01:41:34limbusas youlike
01:42:11chrisjs169it seems that me new sansa doesn't like my custom build =/
01:42:37*petur preps another commit
01:43:23chrisjs169yay
01:43:43chrisjs169oh fun - my friend emailed me at a no longer working email address, and I forget what his is
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01:45:58markunpetur: what is it?
01:46:12peturjust a lang update
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01:55:53redI am new to the whole code thing. I found a cool pong patch, and I was wondering how to put in a file on my H10
01:56:15peturany programming experience?
01:56:33saratogared: go to rockbox,.org, click the index link and read the "working with patches" tutorial
01:56:45rednope. not mutch, at least
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01:56:57saratogahowever, asking this question basically means that you'll give up in frustration in about 3 hours, maybe less
01:57:19*petur wonders what's slowing the build down
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01:57:55redSaratoga; I tried I couldn't figure it out. and I spent AT LEAST 3.68 hours on it...
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01:58:35limbuspetur, at least its neither mine nor goteaters machine
01:58:47peturok, all targets have binaries again
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01:59:38limbustnx
01:59:42limbusfelt a bit bad
01:59:47peturoff to bed now
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02:00:25markunif I merge 2 threads in the forum where will it end up?
02:00:38markunin the thread where I pressed 'merge' or the other thread I selected?
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02:01:45*limbus does not know the forums
02:01:55limbustry, split and remerge :)
02:02:28limbusme is off to bed now too
02:02:41krazykitmarkun, iirc, it should merge it into the one where you pressed merge
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02:04:42markunkrazykit: I just tried it and it was merged into the second thread
02:05:33markunI hope it's no problem that I removed some useless posts while I was at it :)
02:05:45krazykitwtf. simple machines forums must be weird
02:06:17markunkrazykit: it was what I was expecting, but it still could have been either way
02:07:02krazykitit really ought to explicitly state one way or the other though
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02:08:02markunsaratoga: do you include your ears when you say "all you're doing with EQ is correcting for the limitations of your hardware"?
02:10:10markunkrazykit: yes, you get prompted where the new thread should be and what the new name should be
02:13:25markunfunny ipod mod: http://web.mac.com/owenmcgarry/iWeb/Downloads/Downloads/10E5A5E6-7AE6-4BFD-B454-11CBC427A9A1.html
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02:38:51dan2hi guys
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03:04:15chrisjs169hi dan2
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03:05:09JdGordon*yawn* morning all
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03:08:40chrisjs169*yawn* evening all
03:12:46saratogamy gigabeat finally came
03:12:55saratogai'm actually really impressed with this player
03:13:53toffe82it is a F ?
03:18:10Soapthere needs to be a concerted effort to /remove/ powerful CPUs from the hands of developers. ;)
03:18:33Soapexcept for amiconn. I have a feeling he is uncorruptable.
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03:31:38saratogahaha
03:31:42saratogayeah I got an F
03:32:25saratogafor the record, I offered to pitch in a few bucks towards buying a dev a gigabeat S
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03:39:36kokeradiohi there
03:39:52kokeradioany news on gigabeat s series?
03:45:33kokeradiois anything done as of yet?
03:48:39saratogasomeone came up with a hack that lets you run code on the gigabeat S, but no one has written anything of interest for it yet
03:48:49saratogai believe theres only 1-2 people working on it
03:49:07kokeradiohmm
03:49:31kokeradioi wonder why... the player is much more advanced than f or x series
03:49:47kokeradioit would be pretty neat
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03:50:03saratogasince theres few people with the player, development will be slow
03:53:38kokeradiothanks dude
03:54:02kokeradioit's good to know that people are working on it
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04:34:14alienbiker99should have told him to join #gigabeat
04:34:27toffe82and look today logs :0
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05:21:34saratogacan anyone help me with a gigabeat question?
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05:25:53midkaysaratoga: only if you actually ask it.
05:29:58saratogamy gigabeat seems to have lost its system folder
05:30:05saratogai'm not entirely sure how or why
05:30:15saratogai rebooted, and its gone
05:30:22saratogacan't boot the gigabeat or see it in Windows
05:30:30saratogais there some way to make a new one?
05:30:48saratogasorry, can mount the gigabeat, but not see the folder once its mounted
05:34:42saratogamidkay: you still there?
05:34:57alienbiker99hmmm, original firmware?
05:35:02midkaysaratoga: yes, but i don't have or know a thing about the gigabeats, sorry. nothing i could help with
05:35:19saratogayeah i figured no one would be around now
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05:39:33saratogaah got it fixed thanks to an old thread in the forums
05:39:38saratogabizzare though
05:39:41saratogai swear i didn't delete it
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06:31:05Hunixdoes anyone know if you can get snes games to work in rockbox? any plugins?
06:32:00alienbiker99no
06:32:11alienbiker99no emulator for snes that i know of
06:32:20Hunixthats what I thought....
06:32:35Hunixtoo bad Earthbound would have been great on the ipod
06:32:49HunixPokeymon will have to do ahah
06:33:12alienbiker99code it yourself? idk if the players are fast enough to support a snes emulator
06:33:17Hunixdoubt it
06:33:42Hunixgbc is like an 8 bit right?
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06:33:49Hunixwhereas snes is 16
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06:33:58Hunixso i guess that makes the big difference
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08:23:14LinusNanother day, another USB daughterboard repair...
08:27:27JdGordondamn those daughterboards... you dont get that sort of insolence from sonboards do you!
08:29:51LinusNlol
08:30:05Galoishow long did that subversion import take?
08:31:48JdGordonturned out that the versino of git I was using was borked, and neither of the time things I set worked, so at least 3 huors, probably cose to 4, but I guess alot of that is pulling the data over the network
08:32:28JdGordonjust waste bandwidth if I started it again with the updated git version... so I wont bother
08:32:31Galoisand how much disk space in the end?
08:32:49JdGordonthe .git folder was about 50mb i tihnk
08:33:03JdGordon+ the 30mb of actual sources
08:33:57Galoishm, mine was 70MB actual sources and 80MB .git
08:34:44Galoisgit-svnimport svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox
08:36:11JdGordonwell, like I said, git was borked, so it never actually created any files outisde of the .git
08:36:44GaloisI don't think my git is borked
08:36:56Galoiswhat git version do you have?
08:38:06JdGordonit was 1.4.1, updated to their git source aftr it was all done, so now 1.5.1 or sometgng
08:38:40GaloisI have 1.5.0.6
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09:05:08B4gderemacs 22!
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09:05:10B4gder;-)
09:06:06GodEaterhurray, proper IRC from work again. The relief!
09:06:25B4gderwelcome to the bright side!
09:06:43scorcheB4gder: i was wondering if you were going to comment on that =P
09:07:10GodEaterB4gder: this means my build server should be available again - is there anything you need to do ?
09:08:22B4gderGodEater: nah, it should just work
09:08:44B4gderscorche: there's 650USD flying your way, that should make you agree with me more B*]
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09:09:37scorcheemacs scares me =P
09:09:46B4gderhaha
09:10:01DiDjCodtyeah ! vim rox0rs !
09:10:04GodEaterB4gder: even though the ip address has changed ? Won't the ssh client complain ?
09:10:08*DiDjCodt goes out
09:10:29B4gderGodEater: I use several of them "hush all complaints" options so I don't think it will
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09:10:44B4gderI'll try a manual connect
09:11:27GodEaterit should have been working since last night - but I don't see any builds in the tree from me
09:11:39B4gderno, it was acting funny
09:11:49B4gderrather, the ssh connections seemed to hang
09:12:08GodEaterpeculiar
09:12:20GodEaterI'm ssh'd into it now and it appears ok
09:12:27B4gderI do too ;-)
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09:12:51GodEateryou do what? act funny? :)
09:13:10B4gderthat I do always, so I don't need to mention that
09:13:14GodEaterheheh
09:14:39*petur can confirm
09:14:56*petur should also say that LinusN is worse ;)
09:15:00B4gderhahaha
09:15:59*GodEater always looks on the bright side of life
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09:19:11*amiconn only knows 2 things about emacs. (1) the ooold interpretation as an acronym. (2) the Amiga version (memacs), which he didn't like at all. Unintuitive thing...
09:19:44*GodEater guesses amiconn isn't keen on vi either in that case
09:20:29*B4gder uses emacs since 1991!
09:20:30amiconnvi has exactly one advantage: it's available on nearly all *nix systems
09:20:38*petur settled on anjuta for now
09:20:47B4gderyeah, vi knowledge is mandatory
09:21:34amiconnBut other than that, it's a horrible editor
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09:22:26*amiconn shudders thinking about using vi for anything else than the occasional config file editing
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09:22:50*GodEater quite likes both vi and emacs
09:23:02JdGordonisnt that by definition impossible?
09:23:06GodEaterwell, "like" is perhaps a strong word. I'm comfortable in both.
09:23:15GodEaterJdGordon: you'd think so from the editor wars ;)
09:23:22GodEaterI'm like the Switzerland of those
09:23:27JdGordon:)
09:23:33B4gderfull of cheese? ;-)
09:23:38GaloisI use both too!!
09:23:39Zagoramiconn: you don't think you'd learn the program if you used it more frequently? and hence find it less painful. I know people who write all the code (and everything else) in vi.
09:23:41*JdGordon hates vi and hasnt used emacs
09:23:51*GodEater likes fondue
09:23:53Zagors/the/their
09:23:56scorcheB4gder: think fast!...favorite cheese!
09:24:20B4gderI can't think fast, not enough coffee yet
09:24:37B4gdermaybe when I grow older I'l learn...
09:24:47B4gder(add l where you see fit)
09:25:11scorchehavarti > *
09:25:35GodEatersqueaky cheese
09:25:42*GodEater likes havarti too
09:25:47*scorche likes the change of topics from editor wars, to cheese wars
09:25:58JdGordonZagor: time to close the FS task about FS bugs yet?
09:26:04Zagorscorche: is that related to haloumi?
09:26:17ZagorJdGordon: no, the mime bug isn't fixed yet
09:26:21JdGordonok
09:26:23Zagoror is it?
09:26:35JdGordonIhavnt seen any warnings lately.. I tink
09:26:36scorcheZagor: no clue...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havarti
09:27:14amiconnZagor: I know that there are people who use vi much. But I can't imagine using it intensively myself.
09:27:15scorchehavarti is very tasty eaten with grapes or apples.....but it is just as tasty alone
09:27:16GodEaterah, haloumi is the squeaky cheese
09:27:26GodEaterusually cooked
09:27:32amiconnIt's probably because I prefer gui programs in general
09:27:58*GodEater finds that odd for a man who likes his low level coding
09:28:09Zagoramiconn: clicketi-click! ;)
09:28:10amiconnNano is okay as an editor for the terminal, but even there I wonder why they settled for those Ctrl-* combos instead the F keys
09:28:36Zagorbecause many terminals don't have F keys?
09:28:58B4gderyeah, F keys if very non-unix
09:29:02B4gderis
09:29:09scorcheare ;)
09:29:12B4gderdarn
09:29:18Galoisgvim for gui!
09:30:03Zagoreven with friendler interface, I fully agree the vi concept (line-editor) feels strange to me
09:30:13amiconnPossibly, I don't remember
09:30:24*amiconn used a real *nix terminal once
09:30:28Galoisline editor would be edlin or (eek) sed
09:30:40amiconnThat was like 15 years ago, an hp-ux machine...
09:30:43B4gderyeah, vi's thing is more the different modes
09:30:59ZagorGalois: vi is based on the concept of editing lines. you navigate to a line, then edit it. to edit another line, you first have to exit the line you're on.
09:31:04Galoiser, ed?
09:31:28B4gderZagor: you can actually remain in "edit mode" even when you change lines
09:31:28LinusN"Reason for closing: Fixed
09:31:28LinusNAdditional comments about closing: should be fixed
09:31:28LinusN"
09:31:35GaloisZagor, the original vi was like that, but vim lets you arrow around while editing
09:31:42LinusNas in "someone should fix this" :-)
09:31:48ZagorGalois: gosh! isn't that heresy? ;)
09:32:06scorcheheh...i used to admin around 30 Tru64 workstations a bit ago...twas interesting working with the "real thing"
09:32:08ZagorLinusN: lovely comment
09:32:08B4gderZagor: no real vi user uses vim anyway, would they? :-)
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09:32:13Galoisit's not any worse than viper-mode in emacs
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09:32:31Zagorviper-mode sounds scarily like a vi mode for emacs
09:32:37Galoisyes, it is
09:32:40B4gderdoes vim have an emacs mode?
09:32:47Galoissadly, no
09:33:22Zagormixing emacs and vi, isn't that like mixing matter and anti-matter?
09:34:06B4gderbrings the worst hangovers
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09:37:04*linuxstb_ mostly uses emacs, but sometimes uses vi for quick little edits
09:39:16*GodEater was once forced to use edlin on a VAX
09:39:20GodEaterit was horrible
09:39:43GaloisDOS users had to use edlin too
09:40:10*petur once used 'copy con' to edit a file (which meant typing it completely)
09:43:09basscadetedlin is very much like unix's ed, i'm told
09:43:14basscadetwhich i sometimes use for fun
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09:45:12B4gderwe had a guy back in the C64 days who coded a program by entering weird characters on the screen and then made the computer execute from the screen memory...
09:45:32B4gderthat's a very useful skill
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09:47:15peturvisual coding
09:47:41B4gderwysiwyg!
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10:08:37limbusre
10:08:53limbusB4gder, should we have another look at my server ?
10:09:20B4gderyeah, soon. gotta pretend to do some real work now for a while first
10:10:07limbusok
10:10:26limbusme needs to leave for work too a certain time
10:10:33limbusso maybe better this evening
10:10:54B4gderyeah, or if I get time I'll try a bit from my end
10:10:59limbussure
10:11:06limbuseverything is set back up
10:11:21limbusincluding the chmod +rx on acbuild.pl
10:11:30limbuswhich I might have forgotten yesterday
10:11:42limbusbut I don't see in how this may interfere _tat_ way
10:11:44B4gderyeah, but I did that before I added your server ;-)
10:11:51limbusgood
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10:18:46*Llorean will never understand the forumgoer's strange fascination with polls.
10:22:56LinusNi will never understand forumgoers in general
10:24:12*petur will never understand LinusN ?
10:24:20LinusNhehe
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10:24:35peturcertainly not when talking Swedish
10:24:42B4gderpetur: sssshhh, we promised the hospital we'd take care of him
10:25:24LinusNpetur: i have actually worked as a chef too - bork! bork!
10:25:50peturrofl
10:28:51LloreanDoes anyone know if Sansa recording has the same issues that iPod recording has, or if that's related to the hardware we actually have documented for the Sansas?
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10:31:10linuxstbLlorean: ping
10:31:49LloreanPresent
10:32:20linuxstbCan you check your PMs?
10:33:11LloreanI'm not seeing one.
10:34:04GodEaterLlorean: would that be a reference to the ipod IR remote post ?
10:34:09linuxstbSeems I wasn't logged in...
10:35:30LloreanGodEater: Well, we get about two or three polls like that a week. Instead of asking "How do I do X" there's a poll asking if anyone knows how to do it.
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10:36:04scorchethere was one not too long ago that was "will you help me?" yes/no
10:36:20GodEaterhahaha
10:36:24pondlifeNo!
10:36:35*GodEater has been enjoying the poll on the bbc website re: London's Olympics Logo.
10:36:46pondlifeAnyone in favour??
10:36:50GodEaternot many
10:37:01GodEateryou get to rate it as gold, silver, bronze, or wooden spoon.
10:37:08GodEaterLast I looked 85% were wooden spooning it
10:37:16GodEaterincluding me
10:37:22GodEaterit sucks massively
10:37:26scorchethat....doesnt sound right...
10:37:29GodEaterI can't believe they spent £450,000 on it
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10:38:02GodEaterif you squint at it it looks like Lisa Simpson giving someone a blow job
10:38:08pondlifelol
10:38:16scorchelink to the logo?
10:38:20*scorche is too lazy to google
10:38:31pondlifehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6719805.stm
10:38:35GodEaterhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6719805.stm
10:38:39GodEatertoo slow!
10:38:40pondlife:)
10:38:43GodEatercurses
10:38:52GodEatertell me you don't agree now that I've said that
10:39:06pondlifeI can't see the poll....
10:39:14GodEaterI'll attempt to find that too
10:39:49GodEaterhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm
10:39:51LloreanIt looks like someone crumpled up some colored paper, through it on the floor, and created the logo from a vector outline of the results.
10:39:56Lloreanthrew
10:40:14GodEaterah, it's received a bit more positive feedback now - but it's still strongly disliked
10:40:26GodEaterLlorean: as I said, it sucks :)
10:40:53pondlifethrew - as in threw up
10:41:11LloreanClearly then when deciding a new Rockbox logo we'll need to spend a good deal more than £450,000 just to be safe
10:41:16pondlife:)
10:41:39pondlifeMaybe we can get taxpayers to pay for a new Rockbox logo?
10:42:04GodEaterhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/6719747.stm <−− I preferred the first one here
10:42:10pondlifeOr maybe 2016 will be the first Open Source Olympics.
10:43:04pondlifeGodEater: Number 10 would be ok with the correct font.
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10:43:58GodEaterpondlife: I think that one's a little too contrived
10:44:14pondlifeMaybe... I like contrived though.
10:44:32GodEaterheh
10:46:23pondlifeamiconn: As requested... dailty reminder for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7249... :)
10:46:29pondlifedaily, even
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10:51:58*amiconn would prefer that in the evening ;)
10:57:23JdGordonpondlife: hey, is your follow playlist bug still happening? I never managed to reproduce it
10:58:37JdGordonhaha, the recording icon on this icon set is an angry face :D
10:59:43*linuxstb wonders if recording on the Sansa has the same problem as the ipods and H10 - that it breaks playback after a recording
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11:00:01JdGordontell you in a sec...
11:00:09LloreanI was wondering the same thing.
11:00:28JdGordonif I can work out the rec screen keys
11:00:47*linuxstb was hoping jhMike would experience that problem on his Sansa and find the solution...
11:00:57JdGordonplayback is fine after a recrding...
11:01:12JdGordonunless there is more to it than just startin an mp3 after leaving the rec screen?
11:01:28LloreanNo, that'd break it on iPods I believe.
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11:02:21JdGordonyep, did 2 recordings, playback worksfine aftr them
11:03:00pixelmaJdGordon: now you can try the recording dir patch with removeable cards yourself ;)
11:03:06JdGordonyep
11:03:36JdGordonwe als now have _another_ target with a dedicated rec button and nothing using it
11:05:20JdGordondoes anyone else think a really simple "dictaphone" mode would be usefull? i.e as long as the rec button is held it records?
11:05:40*scorche has his phone for that
11:06:03pondlifeJdGordon: Sorry, haven't updated my H300 yet and that bug never happens on the sim..
11:06:20pondlifeWill do now though
11:06:44JdGordonit definatly doesnt happen on my e200, and i thnik i've tried on the h300 but hadnt seen it
11:07:02pondlifeYou need to be quite quick perhaps.
11:07:22pondlifeIt seems to be a race condition involving buffering
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11:07:44JdGordonoh? so maybe I misunderstood the report?
11:07:59pondlifeIt's certainly not a list issue :)
11:08:15*JdGordon can ginore it then :)
11:08:33*amiconn isn't sure which bug pondlife is referring to
11:08:43peturJdGordon: the list code still acts strange: go from top to bottom and keep scrolling up. The selector first moves to the top of the screen and then the whole list moves down so the selector bar is 1/3 from the top.
11:08:59amiconnFollow playlist has been buggy for months (though I didn't update any of my targets since list accel went in)
11:09:26pondlifeamiconn: : This is specifically http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7244
11:09:51JdGordonpetur: with svn?
11:10:24peturyes
11:11:08peturjust try it in 'browse plugins'
11:11:50JdGordonworks fine here... never goes above the 3rd line on the screen untill its at the top of the list again...
11:11:54pondlifeJdGordon: Yep, still selecting the wrong track reliably...
11:12:01amiconnpondlife: Aha. Different bug then
11:12:06peturhmmmm
11:12:26pondlifeamiconn: Yes, this is a new-ish one.
11:12:55peturJdGordon: I'll check again tonight, no time now
11:12:58pondlifeif shuffle is enabled, it can be seen to be picking the next track to play, not necessarily the next one in the list..
11:12:59JdGordonok
11:13:09amiconnThe bug that annoys me all the time is that follow playlist doesn't work at all when entering the browser after playback stopped (both manually or because the playlist ended)
11:14:01pondlifeShouldn't it just remember the last track that was being played, regardless?
11:14:41JdGordonamiconn: you mean it doesnt go into the browser? or it selects the wrong track?
11:14:45pondlifeAh, I see. If I STOP from WPS it just goes back the last selected place in the browser.
11:14:53amiconnIt doesn't select the last played track
11:14:57pondlife..back to...
11:15:42amiconnYes, it goes back to wherever you left the browser (and to the root when the playlist was just resumed at startup)
11:15:46JdGordonwell, once the playback has stopped, how is it supposed to know which track was beign played?
11:15:52JdGordonI didnt tinhk thats stored anywhere
11:16:13amiconnThe wps should set the filetree context to the current track whenever the track changes
11:16:24*pondlife has a vague suggestion about combining follow playlist and resume into the bookmark handling...
11:16:40amiconnAt least that is what it used to do
11:16:51*JdGordon has a vague suggestion of deleteing tree.c and a few ther files and starting again :p
11:17:06pondlifeIs the filetree context saved when you power off?
11:17:07JdGordonamiconn: that could work... definatly better than whats happening now
11:17:14JdGordonpno
11:17:19JdGordonpondlife: : no even
11:17:26amiconnThe only situation where this wouldn't work would be if you start a plugin while playing music, and the playlist ends when yoU#re still in the plugin
11:18:04amiconnThen the browser would show the track you were playing when starting the plugin... not a big issue, and that's btw also what it used to do
11:18:13JdGordonyou also have the problem where if you are i the browser and the track changes it will screw the browser
11:18:19amiconnnope
11:18:38amiconnBecause when you're in the browser, the wps code isn't running, hence can't change the filetree context
11:19:05JdGordontrue... I thought you meant the playback code would change the track...
11:19:30*amiconn said wps because he meant wps....
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11:19:49JdGordonyeah yeah :p trying to follow too many convos at once here..
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11:21:32pondlifeWhy not have the playlist code keep track of the current track and then all "follow playlist" has to do is make the browser interrogate for a default position when it's displayed?
11:21:45pondlifeThat would then handle the plugin case too, no?
11:22:23JdGordonthats nicer than the wps doing it imo
11:22:32pondlifeSo... why isn't it working??
11:22:33pondlife:)
11:22:49*JdGordon twiddles nose
11:22:51JdGordonall fixed
11:23:36pondlifeHmm, was there a check on playback status that should have been "is there a last played track"?
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11:25:52pondlifeamiconn: Sorry, but I'd like to commit FS #7249 - could you just see if this was what your intention was? No need to check the code, just to see if the idea is correct.
11:26:30pondlifei.e. The .talk clip checking is now enabled/disabled seperately, and used if enabled and clip exists.
11:26:42JdGordonis there a track changed event which can be hooked like the ata_notify "event" ?
11:26:56pondlifeOtherwise use spelling/numbers if configured.
11:27:18pondlifeJdGordon: There should be... look at the scrobbler code maybe?
11:27:43pondlifeBut there is also a "track unbuffer" event which isn't the same thing, so don't use that!
11:28:10pixelmaI don't think that's a good idea (to look at the scrobbler code) - it doesn't really work on Archod
11:28:14pixelma*Archos too
11:28:27pondlifeWell it ought to...
11:28:42pondlifeBut we shouldn't rely on unreliable events.
11:28:59*pondlife thinks JDGordon may have found something else to fix first :p
11:29:12pixelmaand iirc the first track isn't logged on swcodec too
11:29:26JdGordonscrobller seems to do it in the codec_load_next_track() function...
11:29:48pondlifeUrgh. That's not a good idea. (And it's SWCODEC only)
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11:30:09JdGordondoes something like the ata_notify for this sound like a good idea?
11:30:22pixelmastrange thing is that once in a while it logs a folder on Archos too...
11:30:30pondlife:)
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11:30:43pondlifeHmm, there's no playback.c on Archos - how can that be?
11:30:45pixelmanever found a clue about the circumstances
11:31:03Nico_Ppondlife: the playback code for archos is in firmware/
11:31:19JdGordonmpeg.c isnt it?
11:31:26Nico_Pmp3 something and mpeg.c I think
11:31:29pixelmaI believe obo tried to use the ata_notify there too, there's a bug report about it...
11:31:43pixelmatrying to find it
11:31:53pondlifeYes, but is codec_load_next_track() in there too?
11:32:01JdGordonata_notify wouldnt work well... I guess it could be used as a horrible hack...
11:32:29peturthere is at least one logscrobbler patch in the tracker that fixes some issues but probably not the HWCODEC problem
11:32:29pondlifeata_notify wouldn't work as it's only called when we spin up, right?
11:32:43pondlifeWe change track much more often than we spin up.
11:32:49pondlifePotentially.
11:33:14peturcan't we have events sent to queues by the playback engine?
11:33:31JdGordonpondlife: no on hwcodec... it would work because most tracks are >2mb...
11:34:14pondlifeYes, but think unified... one day!
11:34:20*JdGordon has an idea...
11:34:25*pondlife runs and hides
11:34:47JdGordonhow about a SYS_TRACKCHANGED event which is broadcast like the other ones... then it would be handled by the default handler?
11:34:56JdGordonthat would work on hw and sw codec
11:35:05*petur was suggesting that
11:35:10JdGordonas long as any extra data could be got at
11:35:15pondlifeDo we even need an event for this?
11:35:22*JdGordon missed petur's comment
11:36:26pondlifeIt's just a bit more global state - "last started track"...
11:36:26JdGordondoing an event would mean not having to worry about the platform... and would simplfy playback.c by removing code which doesnt belong there
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11:38:00pondlifeJdGordon: Are you meaning to also revamp the buggy scrobbling?
11:38:14JdGordonthat would be a very nice side effect...
11:38:26amiconnThere is a track_changed event... but iirc these events (track_buffer, track_changed and track_unbuffer) only support a single callback
11:40:28pondlifeBoth the scrobbler and the database could both consume this sort of event... they need to know both the start of a new track and what happened to the previous track (i.e. skipped, how far through, playback stopped)...
11:40:30pixelmarelated bugreport http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/6639
11:41:38pondlifeCan a Rockbox system event have multiple recipients? I assume so....
11:41:43JdGordonamiconn: yeah, looks like that is the case... there are a few events which playback.c triggers, but they are all single callback
11:42:09pondlifeI'm all for removing that stuff from playback.c.
11:42:56amiconnhow?
11:43:12pondlifeNo idea! But it's certainly not SWCODEC-only...
11:43:19amiconnOnly playback knows when a track is buffered or unbuffered
11:43:31amiconnAnd for hwcodec, mpeg.c supports the same callbacks
11:43:51*amiconn added them, back when the first db was being developed
11:44:00pondlifeWhy s buffering/unbuffering the event. Track playback started/finished would be more useful, no?
11:44:31amiconnA trackchange event does also exist
11:44:58amiconnThe buffer/unbuffer events exist to prevent extra spinups in conjunction with some database features
11:45:15pondlifeDoesn't the database only update on ata_notify now?
11:45:22pondlifeIn which case it can avoid spinups...
11:45:46pondlifeI mean the runtime stuff, of course. Not the db building.
11:45:57amiconnidk
11:46:14*amiconn never used the runtime stuff (or rating) with the new db
11:46:34*pondlife tried, but has to rebuild too often (and forgets to export/import).
11:46:35*amiconn doesn't understand the purpose of rating
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11:47:07amiconnWhy should I rate songs on my own player? I know what I like...
11:47:37Slasheripondlife: currently db format is rarely changing so no need to export/import often :)
11:47:45scorcheone would think that you would just not put ones that would be "rated low" on the device in the first place
11:47:58Slasheriamiconn: you can for example "tag" songs by giving them some number code
11:47:59pondlifeSlasheri: Yes, but if I rebuild (reinit), doesn't it lose the runtime info
11:48:04JdGordonscorche: not when you have a 80gb hard disk....
11:48:06Slasherii use that feature just for tagging
11:48:20scorchei have a 160gb hard disk and i do
11:48:29Slasheripondlife: yes, but why would you need to do that?
11:48:29LinusNamiconn: well, to rate music, you need to listen to it in the first place, and the dap is a listening device, so...
11:48:32JdGordonyou use flacs do you?
11:48:46pixelmaJdGordon: on Archos?
11:48:47scorchethis is on my archos, so mp3 only
11:49:00amiconnLinusN: Yes, but when I listened to the music, I know what I like. And tracks I don't like are simply deleted...
11:49:04pondlifeI like most of the music on my DAP, but I rate stuff for "general" consumption - i.e. party-friendliness...
11:49:06JdGordonyou have 160+gb of mp3s?
11:49:17scorcheyes...i like music =)
11:49:22JdGordonwow
11:50:12scorcheand the majority of them, i need to re-encode from the souce to something like APX (i ripped most when i didnt know what was decent)
11:50:24pondlifeAnyway, first thing to do is to work out which events (and what data) is needed by the consumers (scrobbler, database,...)..
11:50:49pondlifeThen see if system events will allow this to work, and be simpler.
11:51:03pondlife(and which events are needed)
11:51:38JdGordonI have an idea for a genetic callback system which I can already tell is far from KISS but shuold be nice and efficient and work
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11:51:47JdGordonpauls back!
11:51:55LloreanHehehe
11:52:05*Llorean banishes Paul to the dark regions.
11:52:05scorchebut, is it worth doing this, instead of just moving forward with the unification? ;)
11:52:08pondlifeWoah, schizophrenia!
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11:52:22pondlifescorche: This will help with unification.
11:52:32pondlifeIt's one less aspect to deal with.
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11:52:50LloreanZagor: Thanks, you were right, I was expecting things to be far more complicated than they are, my phone works lovely under Linux.
11:52:54pondlifeAlso it might actually fix bugs
11:53:18ZagorLlorean: nice, congratulations!
11:53:21scorchebut, is it just something that would get written over again if/when the unification comes?
11:53:34JdGordonscorche: no
11:54:01Slasheripondlife: btw, the database update should work quite well atm, at least currently i don't know any bugs that exists with it (with the very latest code)
11:54:09*scorche pops back into his corner then
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11:54:20pondlifeSlasheri: Maybe I've not trusted the update enough.
11:55:05pondlifeCertainly I've found that auto-update resulted in a broken (or very incomplete) database in the past...
11:55:06Slasheripondlife: and if it fails, please report the problem :)
11:55:11Slasherinot using it isn't a solution
11:55:17pondlifeOf course :)
11:55:23Slasheriyes, that is true in the past
11:55:43pondlifeI just got into a habit of re-initing when I loaded new music.
11:56:25Slasheri:)
11:57:19*amiconn always does a full init when changing sth
11:57:37LinusNthat's a general problem for us developers, we don't use all the features of rockbox ourselves
11:58:09LloreanAnd a lot of the discussion of problems with those features happens 'out of earshot' like at misticriver or anythingbutipod.
11:58:14LinusNwe don't eat our own dog food - it's disgusting! :-)
11:59:21LinusNwasn't it paul newman who literally ate his own dog food on the letterman show?
11:59:38*petur learns that Sweden has a ban on importing alcohol and wonders how his luggage ever made it without being emptied
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12:00:08LinusNwell, you can import it if you carry it yourself
12:00:15GodEaterLinusN: paid someone off at the airport
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12:00:55peturLinusN: ah... I'm reading an article that the EU doesn't like it so maybe good news for you guys ;)
12:01:02LinusNyup :-)
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12:09:30XavierGrLinus: do you have any kind of tips about soldering smd LEDs to normal or transformer wire?
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12:24:32pondlifeJdGordon: Quick list acceleration question?
12:24:48JdGordonif you must :D
12:25:13pondlifeIf I hold DOWN on a long long list, it accelerates several times.. then slows oown and re-accelerates...
12:25:19pondlifeIf that makes any sense
12:25:22XavierGrhttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5275/ondio1kt0.jpg
12:25:22XavierGrhttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9821/ondio2ff7.jpg
12:25:22XavierGrhttp://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8364/ondio3ri3.jpg
12:25:34XavierGrsome pics of my ondio backlight attempts
12:25:36pondlifeI'd expect it to get to full speed and then stay there until I release
12:25:55XavierGrfailed miserably cause I can't close the damn case without breaking the connection between the smd leds :(
12:26:38B4gderipodpatcher for windows, has already been downloaded >2000 times during June 2007 from the download server
12:26:59Llorean>2000 in 5 daysish
12:27:00JdGordonpondlife: thats odd...
12:27:09B4gder4 days of logs
12:27:12pondlifeOn H300 target with current SVN
12:27:17LloreanThat's a lot of installations
12:27:32B4gderthe online html manual for ipod video is the single most downloaded file on that server
12:27:32pondlifeI wonder how many Rockbox users there are in total...
12:27:58B4gderthat is, the front page of it
12:28:01LloreanB4gder: Possibly because every time someone looks at it, they come in here to ask a question and four of us have to go double check that it's in the manual before suggesting they re-read it. ;)
12:28:10B4gderhehe, yeah
12:28:10pondlifeJdGordon: Are there acceleration settings? If so, where?
12:28:25Lloreanpondlife: Off the top of your head, what percentage of Rockbox users would you assume ever register for the forums?
12:28:25B4gderrockdoom.zip, downloaded 568 times
12:28:48pondlifeLlorean: Not many.... I';d guess 10%
12:28:49JdGordonpondlife: display > scorlling
12:28:58Lloreanpondlife: Based off that guess we'd have 100,000 users then
12:29:01Lloreanish
12:29:09PaulJamJdGordon: concerning FS #7237, are you sure that this is fixed? for me it still happens in the h300 uisimulator. i haven't tried on the target yet.
12:29:10B4gderI would guess less than 10%
12:29:12pondlifeWooah
12:29:33pondlifeJdGordon: Hah, I assumed Scrolling meant "horizontal/long-line scrolling"
12:29:34pondlife!
12:30:04JdGordonPaulJam: which s that? the multi-line lists?
12:30:34pondlifeHmm, lots of options - I'm on default settings for them all I think.
12:31:10JdGordonbottom 2 are for acceleration
12:31:22PaulJamJdGordon: yes, here is the link: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7237
12:31:43JdGordonpondlife: maybe a stary BUTTON_NONE gets in and messes it up?
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12:32:20JdGordonPaulJam: ah yeah, I thought it was fixed? the only place i know its not 100% is on the remote lcd when there is only 3 lines on the display
12:32:25JdGordoneverywhere else it works
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12:32:37*JdGordon didnt want to add extra code for that case
12:34:18pixelmapondlife: what list are you scrolling through?
12:34:21amiconnSlasheri: Btw, did you fix the double query issue? It seems to be fixed...
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12:35:44DerPapstB4gder: how are you able to check how often a certain file was downloaded?
12:35:58pondlifeJdGordon: Maybe, it looks like that.
12:36:06B4gderDerPapst: web server stats
12:36:14pondlifepixelma: My database All Tracks - 20000 of them
12:37:05amiconnXavierGr: I told you, didn't I?
12:37:12DerPapstB4gder: i mean is there any fancy command i can do on my webserver to see how often file was downloaded on my server?
12:37:28B4gderawstats is nice
12:37:28pondlifeLlorean: Out of interest, what % of users would you reckon bother registering for a forum?
12:37:35amiconnIf you want to be able to close the case and have a decent backlight, the only solution is EL
12:37:36DerPapstadd a "a" where it fits
12:37:46pondlifeI may be biased because I prefer IRC and newsgroups...
12:38:15DerPapstB4gder: ah ok. i thought there was some build in magic :P
12:39:11pixelmapondlife: I was told that it stops after scrolling the lines that are set in "max files in dir" due to "chunked scrolling" when I abserved these short interrupts when browsing that list on my Ondio... don't know if it should happen on H300 too
12:39:25Lloreanpondlife: I'd guess less than 10%, but I really couldn't say. I mean, a lot of them probably never even see our forums.
12:39:47pondlifepixelma: Good point... it's very regular.
12:39:57pondlifeI'll try different settings there.
12:40:09PaulJamJdGordon: i just tried it on my h300 with the current build and there it happens too. in the main display. with all settings reset except for paged scrolling.
12:40:55JdGordonok crap, guess it needs reopening then :(
12:41:03linuxstbB4gder: Is there a reason there's no webserver stats page? I thought you liked stats... ;)
12:41:42pondlifeJdGordon: I can confirm it's related to the "Max files in directory" setting.
12:41:53B4gderlinuxstb: not really, but Zagor is the guy for most of the web server admin stuff on that server
12:41:53pondlifeIt resets when it starts a new chunk.
12:42:09pondlifeWith that setting up at 10000 (!) it works lovely...
12:42:59JdGordonpondlife: wtf? must be stalling the code for more than HZ/10 then...
12:43:43XavierGramiconn: yes you are right indeed, I am going to try once more with a smaller trasformer wire. smd leds and the transistor with the resistor can fit in the case it is just so difficult with all the wirings not break them when you try to close it
12:43:45pondlifeProbably takes longer than that to read the next chunk (sometimes)?
12:44:09pondlifeJdGordon: Do we really need this to be timing dependent on non-wheel targets?
12:44:53JdGordonsort of...
12:45:10JdGordonalthough, maybe not seen as button targets send button_rel events
12:45:11pixelmaamiconn explained this chunked browsing effect a while ago...
12:45:12pondlifeOne other point, PLAY + UP does a paged scroll, but repeat events seem to do a line-by-line accelerated scroll
12:45:39pondlifeIt should be using paged scrolling until the user releases PLAY.
12:45:54pondlifeOr until the user releases UP/DOWN...
12:46:51Nico_Pwow recording code added 32K on the e200 ??
12:47:40JdGordonthe e200 always seems t have huge deltas
12:47:52JdGordongcc-arm sucks?
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12:48:45JdGordonok, my callbcks abominatio is almost finished, I'm heading out for a few houos.. shuold i stick it on FS or leve it till i get back?
12:49:59JdGordonbassically, all I've done is make the ata_notify code much more generic
12:50:06pondlifeFS is always good in my book.
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12:50:31Nico_Pwoohoo ! green delta :D
12:50:50pondlifeJdGordon: How can you even consider going out when you've not completed the callback work??? ;p
12:51:38JdGordonyeah yeah, i kow :D
12:51:49pondlifemoo
12:52:09JdGordon:)
12:52:47JdGordonhttp://rafb.net/p/7TrQdf46.html
12:52:51*JdGordon back in a few houors
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13:47:14amiconnJdGordon: For chunked browsing, getting the next chunk does take longer than HZ/10 for sure if you don't use dircache and the disk isn't spinning
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13:48:59markunscorche: what's APX?
13:49:33pondlifeI'm not convinced it's reasonable to rely on timing for this purpose... if the key is still down, it's still down. Scrollwheels may need something timing related, but maybe in their button drivers?
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13:52:48amiconnpondlife: That's why I asked y'day whether we need two repeat timers. The button driver doesn't fail to detect repeat when the main thread is blocked for a bit
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13:53:32markunGodEater: can you give the link again?
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13:54:44GodEatermarkun: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/49093
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13:57:45intgrGodEater: You should also consider other distributed RCSes too −− all of them provide the same basic features that Linus talked about.
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13:59:36cropNico_P: In your last commit, I find the lines "bmp_names[MAX_IMAGES] = wps_bufptr + 1;" and "bmp_names[MAX_IMAGES + 1] = wps_bufptr + 1;" a little bit confusing. I'd rather use "bmp_names[MAX_BITMAPS-2] = wps_bufptr + 1;" and "bmp_names[MAX_BITMAPS-1] = wps_bufptr + 1;" The effective index is the same but it's now clear that we're not writing beyond the end of array.
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14:01:05intgrgit totally sucks at speed when you don't have the majority of your repository in the disk cache.
14:01:18GodEaterdefine "totally sucks at speed"
14:02:00intgrTapping fingers and listening to the HD grinding insanely, wondering if the disk surrenders before git finishes.
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14:02:29GodEaterintgr: you can suggest an alternative
14:02:31GodEater?
14:03:11intgrMercurial is the only contestant performance-wise, theoretically.
14:03:21intgrHaven't tried it out with repositories as large as Linux though.
14:03:24GodEaterthis is commerical however isn't it ?
14:03:30intgrNo
14:03:39intgrhttp://www.selenic.com/mercurial/
14:05:13intgrBut quite a few big projects are using Mercurial these days; including Java, OpenSolaris and Mozilla.
14:05:21GodEaterI see that from the site :)
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14:11:22B4gderwell, all somewhat used SCMs can boast lots of projects ;-)
14:11:57*petur sees no reason to move away from svn in near-term
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14:21:20GodEatereww, mercurial is implemented in python?
14:21:33idnarof course
14:21:59B4gderthere must be at least one scm for every script language! ;-)
14:22:11B4gders/for/written in
14:22:37B4gderhaskell anyone? B-]
14:22:45GodEateralready is one
14:22:55GodEaterdARC I think
14:22:57idnardarcs
14:22:58B4gderyes
14:23:13GodEaterthat's the one
14:23:13linuxstbvbscript ?
14:23:24idnarSourceSafe is written in vbscript, write?
14:23:24GodEaternow you're just being silly
14:23:25Zagorno more python code on our server, PLEASE
14:23:25idnar*right
14:23:27idnar*duck*
14:23:35*GodEater is with Zagor on this one
14:23:45idnarwhat's wrong with python code?
14:23:50idnar(not that I care)
14:23:55GodEaterthe headaches it gives Zagor mostly
14:24:10Zagorit changes filenames for half the library every few releases
14:24:24Zagorso building chroots for it is a major headache
14:25:24GodEateras a result, I think it'll be a cold day in hell before mercurial is used by Rockbox
14:26:00B4gderand we only chose systems that have my code in them... :-P
14:26:48Zagorhaha
14:26:59LinusNcompany policy
14:26:59B4gderhm, but I think mercurial does
14:29:07linuxstbB4gder: Does git comply with that policy?
14:29:12B4gderyeps
14:29:17B4gderthey're heavy libcurl users
14:30:05B4gderactually, very many SCMs these days use it, but not svn
14:30:27B4gderin svn I had to do a massive amount of commits - every single one of my 17 commits were invaluable!
14:30:53*B4gder is a hit and run committer
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14:32:59ZagorB4gder: is svn using a native network implementation or some other library?
14:33:32B4gderit uses/used neon
14:33:42B4gdergoing now towards serf
14:33:58B4gderserf being an apache project to write a... http library
14:34:33Zagorhow NIH of them
14:34:35B4gdera slight case of nih
14:34:37B4gderyes
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14:36:41Zagorso what is the "official" reason to not use libcurl?
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14:36:53Zagorit doesn't have an apache.org address? ;)
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14:37:09B4gderthere was no real decision, one of the more core dudes write neon and neon is webdav and svn uses webdav
14:37:33B4gderwhen going to serf, they said they wanted something that used APR and other apache concepts
14:37:54B4gderand going serf they did because neon isn't good enough
14:38:03B4gderfor things like pipelining etc
14:38:06tumuany update on fs#6896, the sansa lcd corruption bug?
14:38:09Zagorso let's rewrite it once more...
14:38:31B4gderah yes, they also wanted a pull interface instead of the pull one of neon
14:38:37B4gderisntead of the push one
14:39:30B4gderlibcurl of course offers both ways ;-)
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15:56:50JdGordonGodEater: it went bad, my git version was too old or something, git-svnimport seemed to work except only the .git folder was created... not wasting the bandwidth to try again though
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16:16:40JdGordonhey Nico_P
16:16:49Nico_Phi
16:16:58JdGordonis the only cuesheet code in playback.c the one variable which is commented for it/
16:17:12JdGordonprev_track_elapsed
16:17:37crop err... nico_p has arrived?
16:17:46Nico_Pcrop: yes :)
16:18:07Nico_PJdGordon: I don't really understand what you mean but prev_track_elapsed has nothing to do with cuesheet
16:18:20JdGordoncrap.. sorry, i meant scrobbler
16:18:24JdGordonwhich isnt your patch...
16:18:27*JdGordon shuts up
16:18:50cropNico_P: any comment to the msg from 13:59? It's more philosophy than real code but...
16:19:13*Nico_P goes get the log
16:20:45Nico_Pcrop: good point... I also considered adding defines... something like PB_BMP and BACKDROP_BMP
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16:22:25Nico_Pthe problem with "MAX_BITMAPS-2" and "MAX_BITMAPS-1" is that if someone wants to add a new bitmap (for example the progressbar slider bitmap), MAX_BITMAPS would be incremented, so MAX_BITMAPS-1 wouldn't be the same thing
16:22:40Nico_Pwhereas MAX_IMAGES+1 is still the same thing regardless of MAX_BITMAPS
16:24:33Nico_Panyway maybe I should add a few comments about all this
16:26:00cropNico_P: yes, special names would be even better
16:26:19Nico_Pcrop: also there's something that doesn't work with what you suggested : the value of MAX_BITMAPS depends on the target's screen
16:26:30Nico_P(LCD_DEPTH > 1 or not)
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16:31:32cropNico_P: isn't the piece of code ifdef'ed? Anyway: I wrote it immediately under the impression of the index MAX_xxx + 1.
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16:45:41kyneshi everyone, I've got a project idea (may be useless.. yet it's an idea)
16:45:57kynesthere's a text-to-speech project now on google soc
16:46:14kynesmy idea is speech-to-text just for calling files/artist folders/songs
16:46:32kynesthis would be great for blind people
16:46:52B4gderkynes: I bet you'll get lots of testers when you submit your patch!
16:46:58kynesor even people who'd like to just "call" their songs from headphones w. microphones
16:48:18Nico_Pkynes: this isn't widespread even on desktop computers, so I don't see how it could possibly be done on a DAP
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16:48:34Nico_Pspeeche recognition is very complex
16:48:39kynesmy idea is that, today, many mp3 album folders include album art with them.. consider they also included a "name record", that is the name of the song recorded by a good intonation, that can be matched with error detection checks
16:49:34kyneswhen matched, it would bring the name from the hashtable or just return the name as a string.. I just came up with this because I don't think that mp3 domain is not a big domain to do this
16:49:43kynesthe general problem is though
16:49:48markunthings like this are done in mobile phones
16:49:55kynesbut matching specific names shouldn't be that tough
16:50:08markunkynes: maybe you can look for some open source projects which can do it
16:50:09kynesmarkun, yes I know..
16:50:44kynesmarkun, you mean open source projects for mobile phones?
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16:51:01Nico_Pif you have a hashtable with prerecorded sample it's probably simpler but with the number of audio files you can have on a DAP it would probably still be quite hard
16:51:07markunno, just techniques for very simple speech recognition
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16:51:37kynesmarkun, yes I plan to get involved
16:51:38Nico_PI know about that on mobile phones, but you generally only have it for a small number of your contacts
16:51:58markunbut simple things like "stop", "next", "back" could probably work
16:52:27Nico_Pyes
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16:53:27kynesmarkun, doing incremental speech recognition and using it for incremental search on a suffix array could decrease search time.. yet you're right, the problem's tough
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16:59:55Nico_Pcrop: see my commit from roughly now
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17:00:33Nico_Pit also happens to fix a possible but very unlikely bug on targets with a monochrome screen and a progressbar bitmap
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17:01:38JdGordonsif commit right when i do a new checkout on the old revision!
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17:01:54Nico_Phaha sorry about that
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17:03:35JdGordon:) gives me practice doing git-svn fetch :p
17:03:37bluebrotherhmm. Why move to another version control system again?
17:03:49bluebrotherany problems with svn?
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17:05:04JdGordoncoz its more interesting than studying
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17:05:49cropNico_P: is "for (n = 0; n < BACKDROP_BMP; n++)" (line 935) always safe? Isn't some sort of #if necessary?
17:06:15cropAnd then: BACKDROP_BMP is defined even if the dap doesn't support them.
17:06:19Nico_Pno, because I defined BACKDROP_BMP even when the target isn't capable of backdrop
17:06:46gromit`nin
17:06:50gromit`oops sorry
17:07:12cropNico_P: yes, that's what I meant. I think it's not very clean.
17:07:48Nico_Pcrop: I didn't find a better way... it could've been PROGRESSBAR_BMP+1 but I wanted to make it clear that it was supposed to be "all bitmaps but the backdrop"
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17:09:54linuxstbWhat about putting those images at the start, and defining something like FIRST_USER_BITMAP ?
17:10:15Nico_Pwhat I really wanted was MAX_BITMAPS if there's no backdrop support and MAX_BITMAPS-1 if there is backdrop support (in the previous commit I used MAX_BITMAPS-1, which could have caused the bug I mentioned a bit earlier)... BACKDROP_BMP is equivalent to that
17:10:16cropNico_P: maybe use "<=PROGRESSBAR_BMP"?
17:10:28Nico_Pcrop yes but that's still no good if you add bitmaps
17:11:02crop I like the idea by linuxstb. Put the variable part at the start
17:12:19Nico_Pthe problem is that these "named bitmaps" are accessed much more than the progressbar and backdrop bitmaps, so it would mean replacing "n" by "FIRST_USER_BMP + n" in a lot of places
17:12:29cropIs such a nitpicking ok here?
17:13:18Nico_Por maybe what I'm saying is stupid because we're just talking about the names array here...
17:14:04cropWhy shouldn't the backdrop be processed in that loop? Why is it so special?
17:14:40Nico_Pit needs to be loaded with load_wps_backdrop() or load_remote_wps_backdrop()
17:15:38cropSo we can't make it completely generic... hrm...
17:16:16Nico_Pyes it's annoying... what made me want to make it more generic is the problems I had when considering tarred BMP support
17:17:26Nico_Pabout linuxstb's idea... I'm not sure it's much better because it would introduce a shift between the indices for the names array and the indices for the actual wps images array... it would be a bit confusing IMO
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17:18:40cropNico_P: well, if the fixing is not very trivial then the current code is good enough. You surely have other things to do so don't worry about it! :-)
17:18:56linuxstbNico_P: Do the names of the progressbar and backdrop bitmaps need to be in the array at all?
17:19:35Nico_Plinuxstb: before today they were in separate variables, but honestly I prefer them being in the array
17:20:54Nico_Pit allows doing almost everything in single loops instead of having special cases all the time, and if we were to add other special bitmaps, the benefit would be even greater
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17:34:26PaulJamJdGordon: i have just noticed a strange behaviour. when i enter a directory in the fileteree it appears as empty but it shows an empty scrollbar. the files are there and if i press navi the file starts to play. the files become visible again when i press up, so that it jumps to the end of the list.
17:35:45PaulJamdo you have an idea what could cause that or should i try to investigate this furter. (this happens only with one directory, the others work fine)
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17:39:14GodEaterquestion about the callback patch, which probably has a really simple answer, and will make me feel very dumb. Why can't the current system work? Surely all you do is write one function for the callback which then calls all the other things you need?
17:39:46GodEaterplease, race amongst yourselves to explain to me why this is dumb :)
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18:29:46DwylocResent versions of rockbox on the ipod (both nano and 80GB Video) appear to have an interesting bug. If you pause playback then unplug the headphones playback starts again and the progress bar starts moving but the WPS still displays the paused status. The disk also spins up and rockbox starts rebuffering.
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18:31:07DwylocI have also noticed that if you press pause before seeking the same thing also happens.
18:32:15Dwylochas anyone else seen this problem or is it just something strange about by config
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18:38:53DwylocIt also looks live the pause on headphone unplug option is broken un the current SVN build.
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18:58:42*linuxstb commits Monkey's Audio support
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19:06:13DwylocOk I have logged the bugs in flyspay as they still happen after I clear my config with the current rockbox build for the 64MB ipod video, not just my private build.
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19:16:40pearldiverwow, .ape support
19:19:35GodEater_completely OT question but : does anyone happen to know if there's a difference between microfilters for "regular" ADSL and ADSL2 ?
19:20:15linuxstbNo, but I know they can vary a lot in quality.
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19:20:48pixelmalinuxstb: is it already prepared for the codec (enum) tag in the wps?
19:21:30linuxstbpixelma: It should be - it should just appear at the end. Will you add some nice "APE" bitmaps?
19:22:12pixelmawhere?
19:22:26*GodEater_ prepares to swap the filter out in that case
19:22:37pearldiverjust out of curiosity, does anyone use monkey audio these days?
19:25:06linuxstbpixelma: In the WPSs in SVN. I thought that was why you were asking.
19:25:44markunlinuxstb: congrats!
19:25:59linuxstbmarkun: Thanks.
19:26:05linuxstbpearldiver: I don't know. Probably not... :)
19:26:23markunnow let's hope somebody will actually use the codec :)
19:26:25linuxstbpearldiver: You need to make the Gigabeat's CPU do something though...
19:27:16pearldiverlinuxstb hehe
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19:31:12pixelmalinuxstb: well I just wanted to know how that will work now, but maybe I'll look into it. I'd need an ape track though to be able to try out in a sim...
19:36:45linuxstbI'll add them to iCatcher, as I use that WPS. But if you want to look at the others, an APE track is here - http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/lossless/luckynight.ape
19:40:11pixelmaah, alright... and thanks :)
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19:54:47pixelmalinuxstb: the test track "stutters" on my M5 though I'm using a wps with peakmeters...
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19:56:30pixelmahappens with iCatcher too
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20:01:34lowlightwhy the binary increase for adding a codec?
20:02:17linuxstbpixelma: Yes, it's a "-c2000" file, and that's not quite realtime on Coldfire. It would be fine on a gigabeat though...
20:02:28linuxstblowlight: Codecs add code to the core as well.
20:02:58linuxstb(mainly in metadata.c)
20:04:28lowlightyes, just suprised it was 600 bytes
20:08:34linuxstbHmm, seems iCatcher is missing bitmaps for SID, ADX, NSF, SPEEX and SPC...
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20:57:29LloreanAnyone around who knows what packages I need to work on the manual?
20:58:22Rincewindi tried it with tetex, but it didn't work
20:59:19LloreanYeah, you needed two tetex packages, if I recall
20:59:40LloreanLast time I set it up was in an older version of the debian image, and I've long since forgotten what I had to get.
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21:00:38LloreanDid you get tetex-extra?
21:01:45Rincewindaptitude says that I have tetex-extra tetex-base and tetex-bin
21:02:00scorchemarkun: APX = alt-preset-extreme in LAME
21:02:05LloreanHmm, I'm pretty sure you just needed tetex-base and tetex-extra, but I could very easily be wrong
21:02:19LloreanAt least for the pdf manual
21:02:24LloreanI think you needed something more for the html one.
21:02:36Rincewindi have used tetex for something other, and tried to build the manual just for fun but got compiler errors
21:03:58amiconnYou also need text4ht
21:04:03Rincewind! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}.
21:04:09amiconn* tex4ht
21:05:21Rincewindstrange, I get and error, and suddenly I am inside vim
21:05:21amiconnOh, and btw, if you run debian unstable: tetex was replaced by texlive recently, if you have that you need like a dozen+ packagesd
21:05:23amiconn-d
21:06:11LloreanActually, I'm trying out Ubuntu for the moment
21:06:21*Rincewind is on ubuntu edgy
21:07:07*amiconn has no real idea how the various ubunty versions map to debian, but thinks that ubunty still uses tetex
21:07:15amiconn*ubuntu
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21:07:40amiconnWhy can't they use version numbers like any sane project?
21:07:51LloreanI'm using 7.04
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21:08:01LloreanI don't know what alliterative phrase I'm associated with.
21:08:18*Llorean couldn't be bothered with that nonsense.
21:08:25Rincewindit's called feisty fawn
21:08:37Rincewindat the moment I am afraid of upgrading
21:10:00pabsamiconn: the version numbers in ubuntu are the year.month of release
21:10:57Rincewindand everything gets wrong if they are behind schedule sometime...
21:12:29amiconnpabs: I know.. but it seems that more people are using these odd names rather than the version number when referring to an ubuntu version
21:13:09pabsamiconn: good point :D
21:13:20Rincewindwell, f_eisty comes after e_dgy in the alphabet, so that is kind of a version number, too
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21:14:17Rincewindit is easier to remember than the difference between 6.04 and 6.10
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21:16:22*amiconn is better in remembering numbers
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21:21:50Learamiconn: Btw, I gave a GCC 4.3 snapshot a go on a H140 build. The lcd*_bitmap_part functions grew by about 50%, making the iram section too large. Don't really know why...
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21:25:17tucozRincewind: check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto#Ubuntu_users_apply_the_patch
21:25:55tucozubuntu uses dash instead of bash as sh, which means that the echo command differs. that is why you get that error
21:26:32Rincewindthanks
21:27:04tucoznp
21:28:12tucozremeber to get the latex-ucs package as well
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21:29:26tucozyou need that to get the correct glyphs in especially the credits section
21:29:35tucozit enables unicode support
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21:33:51Nico_Papparently my adding that to the wiki wasn't useless :)
21:34:24Nico_PI ran into the same problem and had to ask here so I thought it would be easier for everyone if it was mentioned somewhere outside the tracker
21:37:54Rincewindsince /bin/sh is using bash anyway, wouldn't it make sense to use bash in the build script directly?
21:39:03Nico_Pthat sounds like a good idea
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21:42:07webguest48hey guys
21:42:33webguest48im a longtime rockbox user on my iriver h140. which i managed to fry today
21:42:45markunnokia charger?
21:42:48webguest48so i need to get a new player. which would you folks recommend? id prefer to continue using rockbox if possible
21:42:53webguest48heh no, soup
21:43:13markunwhat kind of features are important for you?
21:43:29markunrecording, digital-in/out, fm radio, etc..
21:43:48webguest48pretty much just sound quality and battery life
21:43:51webguest48line in would be nice
21:43:54webguest48but not necessary
21:44:08webguest48i loved the 2 lineouts on the iriver, but probably cant get that again
21:44:26markunwebguest48: here's some info: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
21:44:47markunI'm happy with my Gigabeat, but it lacks a lot of features of the iriver
21:45:33webguest48would be nice if i could buy another h140
21:45:40webguest48couldnt really find any tho
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21:45:46markunindeed
21:46:03Rincewindwebguest48: in what country do you live?
21:46:08webguest48usa
21:46:21webguest48hm, cool link. i see the ipods still have low battery life
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21:46:35Galoiswait, does rockbox actually support line in recording on the ipod like it says in the chart??
21:47:10Rincewindwebguest48: the iAudio x5 or m5 is the closest possible to the iriver
21:47:14Galoiscause I kind of tried that once, and couldn't do it, and gave up, but I'd make some effort to try again if I knew it worked
21:47:19markunSome can, but I don't think the nano and video can
21:47:29webguest48has anyone here used the iaudio series?
21:48:02Galoisit says on the page the code is unstable, but ... I'll take unstable
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21:50:02markunGalois: ah, I somehow thinking recording through the headphone connector..
21:50:29Nico_Phmm I'm starting to like git-svn and git
21:51:04GaloisI have the iMic or whatever piece of hardware it's called that lets you record on the OF
21:53:01dionoeayay! I really fixed xobox on ipod video :)
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21:58:47RincewindNico_P: how much space does the local git repository use on disk?
21:59:01BuschelJust commited last version of my musepack optimization patch. After all only assembler optimization were left (+13-15% on iPOD, +3-5% on Coldfire)
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22:01:24Nico_PRincewind: the repo + a wroking copy with two branches is 85 MB
22:01:59Nico_Pthe .git subdir is a little less than 19 MB
22:02:03markunBuschel: did it introduce some loss of precision?
22:02:34Buschelmarkun: no. all accuracy reductions were dropped
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22:02:59Rincewindwow, the local svn copy is 66mb, I expected the whole git rep to be much larger
22:06:35amiconnThe local svn copy is actually the source x2, so git _does_ need more space
22:06:50amiconn(iiuc)
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22:07:08RincewindI know, but since git is 'all the changes from the dawn of time' it is not very much
22:07:09LloreanCan you revert in git?
22:07:22LloreanDo you just revert to a point in your local history?
22:07:48linuxstbGalois: Rockbox can record via the line-in (3 pins in the dock connector) on the ipod Nano, Video and 4g/Color/Photo. It can also record via the headphone socket on the 4g/Color/Photo.
22:08:22Nico_PRincewind: I only have a few revisions of history
22:09:19RincewindI see, then it is not very surprising anymore
22:09:48Nico_PMy SVN working copy is 140 MB
22:10:05RincewindNico_P: that's because of the build dir(s)
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22:10:13Nico_Pno, without the build dirs
22:10:30Rincewindhm
22:10:32Nico_P(the build dirs are 283 MB)
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22:11:14dionoeawhat resolution does the timer have on rockbox ? (well, the sleep function)
22:11:17dionoeaIs that target dependant?
22:11:34linuxstb100Hz
22:11:46linuxstbAnd it's the same on all targets afaik.
22:11:51dionoeaok, thanks.
22:12:03BagderNico_P: the git dir just can't contain the same data
22:12:21Bagderthe manual dir alone is 20MB in my checkout
22:12:43Bagderof course svn makes everything twice the size
22:13:42Nico_PBagder: it's compressed and I don't have many revisions, but my understanding is that the complete git repo would be much smaller than the complete SVN repo
22:14:08Bagderbut the checkout. don't you have like all files in a tree?
22:14:35Bagderhow can it be smaller than half the size of a svn checkout?
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22:15:46Nico_PWell it doesn't seem to be... half of 140 MB is 70 MB and I have 66 MB of rockbox dirs in my git working copy
22:16:08Bagdervery puzzling
22:16:17Nico_Pso it does work... there is 19 MB left for the actual repo
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22:17:14Nico_Pdid JdGordon wait for the complete SVN repo import to end ?
22:17:22BagderI believe it failed
22:17:33Nico_Poh
22:19:56Nico_PBagder: just saw your comment on emacs 22 :)
22:20:03Nico_Phow'd you like it ?
22:20:12RincewindBadger: my manual dir is only 6mb, how can yours be 20mb?
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22:20:26BagderRincewind: hm, good question
22:20:36BagderNico_P: I don't use it (yet)
22:20:44BagderI quite happy with the existing version
22:20:47*Rincewind uses emacs 23
22:21:00Bagder21.4.1 atm
22:21:17Rincewindmostly because of the nice xft fonts
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22:22:11Nico_PJdGordon should've read a bit more about git-svn and git... it's normal not to have anything outside the .git dir at first
22:22:39Nico_PI was puzzled too at first but it's quite simple... you need to checkout a copy of your repo :)
22:23:06dionoeaIs the usb charge while holding menu broken on iPods ?
22:23:14dionoea(doesn't work with a trunk build)
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22:25:07Bagderyet another sound format support is way cool
22:25:46Nico_Pindeed... and soon WMA :)
22:26:54linuxstbWe can all retire soon...
22:28:29amiconnNot until you get ape realtime on coldfire + pp ... ;)
22:28:53Bagderhaha
22:29:43linuxstbAt least you're not asking for SH...
22:29:56Bagderhe's getting softer indeed
22:30:07amiconnI don't know how these ape compression levels relate to actual compression ratios, but from the commit msg it looks like a *very* half-baked support on anything but gigabeat...
22:30:23amiconnlinuxstb: Okay, then I am asking for MAS DSP asm... ;)
22:30:51linuxstb:)
22:32:38linuxstbThe compression ratio does increase with compression level, but not significantly IMO. Here are the sizes of my test file at the 5 different compression levels - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/ape.txt
22:33:16linuxstb(refresh the page - I've just added flac -8 as a comparison)
22:33:26amiconnThat's missing the reference size (i.e. uncompressed)...
22:33:44linuxstbrefresh again...
22:34:01dionoeahow does flac decoding perform in terms of CPU use ?
22:34:23amiconnLooks like ape -c1000 is similar to wavpack -h
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22:35:14bluebrotherRincewind: /bin/sh is pointing to dash on ubuntu. Which is the problem.
22:35:16linuxstbamiconn: Refresh again...
22:35:17amiconnThe higher modes indeed don't improve compression ratio much? How do they compare in terms of cpu load?
22:35:47bluebrotherI was looking in making a real fix to that issue over the weekend, but didn't got around to finish it
22:35:48Rincewindbluebrother: I learnt that. I suggesting using bash explicitly in the first place
22:36:04bluebrotherwill need to wait for another couple of days
22:36:19bluebrotherwell, make calls sh ...
22:36:22linuxstbamiconn: The higher modes need a _lot_ more CPU. I listed some decoding times here - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7256
22:36:24Rincewindok, then I wait for it.
22:37:01bluebrotherthe patch tucoz mentioned works fine, it's just a bit inefficient which I want to improve before committing.
22:37:23amiconnlinuxstb: wow.... :(
22:37:27Nico_Pbluebrother: why not use bash as Rincewind suggested ?
22:37:38amiconnlinuxstb: Do those filters use the emac on coldfire?
22:37:48Nico_P/bin/bash instead of /bin/sh
22:37:49linuxstbamiconn: No, there's no asm yet.
22:38:09linuxstbI spent some time optimising IRAM usage on Coldfire, but that's all.
22:38:52bluebrotherNico_P: can we really rely on bash being present in future versions of ubuntu?
22:39:22Rincewinda linux version without bash??
22:39:23Nico_Pbluebrother: why would they remove it ?
22:39:24linuxstbbluebrother: I'm sure it will always be there, at least as a package.
22:39:45Nico_Pis bash becoming old ? is dash "better" ?
22:39:58preglowbeh
22:40:05Nico_PI always believed bash was state-of-the-art...
22:40:10bluebrotherdash is a PITA.
22:42:42Buschellinuxstb: did you try to use -O1 for libdemac on iPOD / PP? on libmad and libmusepack this seems to increase performance by some reasonable amount
22:44:03linuxstbNo, I haven't tried different -O options, but I will, thanks.
22:46:41alienbiker99does rockbox not use both cores on Portal player targets?
22:46:52basscadetbash can't really go away, since dash is an awful user shell, although it's a good user shell on my 32meg arm widget
22:47:27preglowBuschel: been away on a trip for a while now, back now
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22:48:05Buschelpreglow: good to have you back here
22:48:12_ke_vinhello
22:48:19preglowyeah, i'm not so pressed for time right now either, so i'll have a bit more time
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22:49:17_ke_vinI have Ipod Video (5G). I want to use the scroll wheel in doom. I d/l an unsupported version. Scrollwheel works fine, but for strafe. I want to use scrollwheel to turn left and right and keys for strafe. How to do it?
22:49:20_ke_vinthx
22:50:00Bagder_ke_vin: ask the person who provides the build for you
22:50:15_ke_vinit's not an option to set?
22:50:22_ke_vinit's done at compile time?
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22:50:53Bagder_ke_vin: in general if they provide a custom version that have some things changed, how can we tell what else they have changed?
22:51:10Bagderin specific, I know nothing about doom
22:51:34Buschelpreglow: i dropped all the 32bit-mult-stuff. on the one hand you needed to tweak so much (for having few loss of accuracy), the performance was comparable to ARM-assembler with full precision. on the other hand the very fast multiplies did have flaws on high energy signals.
22:51:40_ke_vinok, I think you're right, I will ask the person who compiled that.
22:51:44_ke_vinthanks
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22:52:15Buschelpreglow: so, finally only new ARM-assembler survived. output is of high precision and comparable to trunk
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22:53:32*amiconn pings Bagder
22:54:07*limbus makes it a multi-source-cast
22:54:53preglowBuschel: interesting, i'm plowing through all my rockbox mail now and will read the flyspray entry later
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22:57:23Buschelpreglow: ok, no problem. i'll go to bed now −− early and evil meetings tomorrow :/
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22:59:20preglowlinuxstb: wow, monkey's audio
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23:12:20amiconnlimbus: Muti-source cast? ;)
23:12:33limbussomething new
23:12:39chrisjs169hmm - the microsd patch is causing my Sansa to freeze on startup? bug?
23:12:45limbusyou need to be innovative sometimes :)
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23:18:45dionoeaamiconn: i've got xobox working on recorder
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23:21:56pixelmadionoea: nice... how slow is it?
23:22:02dionoeaIt's fast on the sim :)
23:22:10dionoeahaven't tried on real target yet
23:22:10pixelmahehe
23:22:41pixelmathat's what theli told me about zxbox last year too ;)
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23:23:02dionoeawell i about optimsed it 20 times in the last 3 days
23:23:11dionoeaso i'm confident that it'll work
23:23:13dionoeaLet me check
23:26:07*DerPapst has encountered a wired "bug" in the sim...
23:26:13DerPapstThe sim plays music fine even if it's not the active window in wondows. But whenever firefox is the active window musicplayback stops. But the sim doesn't halt/freeze or anything. Animations are still running ^^
23:26:24amiconndionoea: nice :)
23:27:04amiconnDo you think using grayscale would improve appearance significantly (vs. pure b&w)?
23:27:15dionoeano. Looks fine in b&<
23:27:17dionoeab&w
23:27:21dionoea(in the sim)
23:27:27amiconnok
23:27:49peturthe nice thing about wired bugs is that they can't run away
23:27:51dionoeagra ... i can't remember how to mount my recorder ... must be missing a kernel module
23:28:09amiconnhuh?
23:28:16amiconnDo you have an USB1.1 version?
23:28:31dionoeaI have the slow version ... so yeah, must be 1.1
23:28:37dionoea(non flashable too)
23:29:21Bagderehci_hcd is your friend
23:30:03dionoeain what way? Doesn't help much here
23:30:16Bagderwell, that's the module for usb2
23:30:45*amiconn would rather think the isd200 driver is needed
23:30:48dionoeathe kernel doesn't detect any mass storage device with ehci or uhci loaded :(
23:30:57Bagderamiconn: not for the recorder
23:31:07amiconnNo?
23:31:13Bagderrecorder is isd300
23:31:16amiconnI thought only the 20GB versions are usb2.0
23:31:31Bagderahm...
23:31:54dionoeamine definitively doesn't have usb2
23:31:57Bagderis this an old recorder we talk about?
23:32:01dionoeayup
23:32:10dionoeaand i'm missing that module
23:32:17dionoeamust have disabled it
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23:32:40Bagderdrivers/usb/storage/isd200.c
23:33:04dionoeaalready found it in menuconfig :)
23:35:06dionoeaIs the ondio's screen like the recorder's ?
23:35:38pixelmayepp
23:35:50amiconnJust without backlight (unless modded)
23:36:01dionoeaok, i just need to add key defs then
23:36:51DerPapstin xobox... if you removed half of the black "thing" where the white diamonds are living in... is it normal that when you go from most left point in the right direction that it doesn't stop where the black "thing" ends?
23:36:58*DerPapst sucks at bug reports.
23:37:05DerPapstillustration: http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/rockbox/better_explanation.bmp
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23:40:25pixelmaDerPapst: yes it's normal if there's nothing in the way (at least this is how I know it, only got to know the rockbox version though)
23:40:52limbusI know it stopping as soon as possible
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23:41:56*DerPapst tries an older version of the xobox plugin
23:43:00dionoeaok, got it to mount :)
23:43:21DerPapstpixelma: you're right... somehow i remebered it like the way descibed in the image...
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23:46:02dionoeapixelma: speed is perfect on real target :)
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23:48:41pixelmagreat, congrats! :)
23:50:31dionoeaHum looks like the bitmaps aren't redering as i'd like them to be ... could some check the code i just commited ?
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23:55:17amiconneummm
23:55:27bluebrotherhmm, limbus.dyndns.org seems to have problems ...
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23:55:39amiconnlimbus' build server doesn't seem to play by the rules...
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23:55:49dionoeawoops, it's all red
23:55:53limbusdidn't know I'm part of the farm again
23:56:15Bagdernow you're out again ;-(
23:56:32limbusdarn
23:56:54limbusI can su to rbclient and build every of the targets that failed yesterday
23:56:57BagderI don't understand why though
23:57:04limbusit's in the configure
23:57:14limbusconsidering the output
23:57:43Bagderyeah, "Please select a supported target platform! " indicate it gets weird input
23:58:47Bagderlike a newline or whatever
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