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## #rockbox log for 2007-06-07

 00:00:14 Part rift_ 00:00:55 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 00:00:58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00:01:41 Dwyloc dionoea: I also love the interface of jewels on the nano and video so please donâ€™t change it. I have spent many hours playing while listening to my music it and it feels very intuitive. 00:02:53 dionoea Doesn't the scrollwheel bother you ? (I wasn't planing on changing it :p) 00:03:08 Llorean The scrollwheel doesn't do anything in Jewels, I thought... 00:03:18 dionoea It moves in one of the directions 00:03:18 * Llorean hasn't picked up his Nano in some time, though 00:03:22 dionoea like the cursor keys 00:03:26 Dwyloc No i use the scrolllwheel and it works very well 00:03:27 Llorean Hm 00:03:35 Llorean I always used the buttons, I guess. 00:05:00 Dwyloc I use the buttons as well as the wheel. THe wheel to go left and right and the buttons to go up and down 00:07:03 Dwyloc dionoea: anyway I have just tested star on the nano and it still locks up strate after selecting play on the menu like before. 00:07:42 dionoea ah ... I'll have a look tomorrow then. (Does it lockup in the sim too ?) 00:08:34 Dwyloc but if you want to remove wheel support anyware could you remove it from brickmania as it makes it un playable on the nano ;) 00:08:38 Quit Tekrad ("[BX] It's not TV. It's BitchX.") 00:09:17 DerPapst in jewels you can scrool through all jewels. 00:09:29 dionoea Dwyloc: agreed 00:09:38 DerPapst if you reach the end of one line it jumps in the next line. 00:09:48 dionoea Time to get some sleep. Good night. 00:09:53 DerPapst i like this concept too 00:09:59 DerPapst night :) 00:10:07 Dwyloc I don't thing star lockup on the sim but its been a long time since I tested (some time last year) so I may not be remebering right. 00:10:18 Dwyloc good night 00:10:26 DerPapst doesn't lock up on ipod video sim here 00:10:35 DerPapst not tested on my ipod though 00:12:08 Dwyloc DepPast: Yes I now about the scrolling through all jewels but I only use it on the same line. 00:12:45 Dwyloc It did not lockup on the video for me as I have played it quite a lot. 00:13:32 Join delorean90 [0] (n=Delorean@70-101-164-164.dsl2.mon.ny.frontiernet.net) 00:13:40 Quit paul_stead () 00:13:53 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00:14:30 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16678.dip.t-dialin.net) 00:15:39 delorean90 llorean: if the OF surpasses rockbox battery life should i still run it on the OF till the battery dies just to be sure? 00:15:51 Llorean Yes 00:16:02 Llorean We KNOW that Rockbox gets less battery life than the OF 00:16:17 Llorean We're trying to determine if your battery is old enough that it's getting a decent amount less than it should, over all. 00:16:18 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:16:34 Part TrueJournals 00:16:55 delorean90 oh ok i understad 00:16:59 delorean90 brb 00:25:46 netmasta10bt anyone know if the sansa fm can pick up aircraft ~131-138MHz ? 00:26:40 Quit secleinteer (Connection timed out) 00:26:57 Bagder I doubt it 00:27:11 Bagder the fm tuner chips often have a more narrow spectrum 00:29:27 netmasta10bt would it be as easy as adding a 'aviation' region to the code and trying it let me know 00:30:55 DerPapst good night at all 00:31:00 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") 00:31:29 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:33:26 Part Llorean 00:33:53 Quit delorean90 () 00:37:12 Quit petur ("zzz") 00:37:19 jhMikeS netmasta10bt: not a chance because it only tunes up to about 120MHz 00:39:41 mpeccorini n1s: are you around? 00:41:04 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16A1D.dip.t-dialin.net) 00:41:30 Quit ender (" I remember being impressed with Ada because you could write an infinite loop without a faked up condition. The idea being th) 00:41:46 Quit ompaul ("Leaving") 00:43:07 * pixelma finds an interesting bug in minesweeper - the info splash shows something like "You found 222 mines out of 43" (Video sim) :D 00:43:41 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:44:27 * mpeccorini wonders if pixelma would take a look at his chessbox patch and get it commited. If she does, he might help with the bug in minesweeper :p 00:46:02 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-228-240.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 00:46:06 linuxstb_ DerPapst: (if you read the logs) http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-1.1svn.dmg 00:46:09 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00:48:38 Join z35_1 [0] (n=z@adsl-35-178-196.dab.bellsouth.net) 00:48:54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00:50:22 Nico_P any comments on the proposal in the WPS tokenizer forum thread about allowing semicolon followed by newline as a subline separator to make WPSs easier to read ? 00:50:38 Join Ikarus_ [0] (n=ikarus@c109100.upc-c.chello.nl) 00:50:49 Quit Ikarus (Remote closed the connection) 00:53:22 pixelma mpeccorini: well, I'm a bit carefull when it comes to comitting much code... Btw what player do you have? 00:53:35 mpeccorini an iPod nano 00:53:47 mpeccorini but if the bug shows in the sim I can fix it anyway 00:54:39 pixelma no, I asked because of a bugreport on chessbox which only was 100% valid as long as there was no menu... 00:55:25 mpeccorini pixelma: I'm not sure if I understand. I added the menu to chessbox, is there a bug in that patch? 00:56:04 pixelma you couldn't restart in on the X5 or M5 but now you can through the menu. I asked the reporter if the menu does it or if he still wants to be able to restart it with a button but got no response 00:56:12 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:56:12 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:56:22 pixelma just wanted to know whether I can close it 00:56:48 mpeccorini I don't usually go through the bug reports, I was not aware 00:56:54 mpeccorini if you want I can fix it anyway 00:57:07 pixelma no this bug is from before the menu 00:57:22 pixelma that would be something even I could do 00:57:42 mpeccorini no reason for it not to work with the keymap, though. don't you think? 00:57:50 pixelma I'm just not sure if it's necessary 00:58:15 mpeccorini what do you mean by "even I could do"? are you not a developer? 00:58:41 pixelma yes, there is a reason. On the X5/M5 there are only button combos with the power button possible (electrically) 00:59:24 pixelma I am a committer but wouldn't consider myself a developer - mostly doing graphics and manual stuff 00:59:43 mpeccorini according to the code you would have to press SELECT and PLAY simultaneously for the game to restart 00:59:51 mpeccorini I see 01:00 01:00:09 mpeccorini perhaps that would help the guy who posted the bug report 01:00:26 mpeccorini perhaps it's a manual bug, I'll check 01:01:18 mpeccorini no, the manual is ok 01:01:20 Nick z35_1 is now known as z35 (n=z@adsl-35-178-196.dab.bellsouth.net) 01:02:19 pixelma no it's not - select+play is not possible on X5/M5... 01:02:47 mpeccorini ohh, I had not understand what you meant by " there are only button combos with the power button possible (electrically) ". Do you want me to change the mapping to POWER + PLAY? 01:04:02 pixelma no, button combos with power are dangerous IMO, I'd rather have something with long or short presses of a certain button (rec or play I think) 01:04:23 dwarfy im watching u ! 01:04:25 pixelma or just have it in the menu 01:04:33 mpeccorini I agree with you about combos with POWER, but I hate long presses 01:04:46 mpeccorini yep, probably we should just leave it in the menu 01:05:04 pixelma but I don't want to decide that because I don't use chessbox much 01:05:26 pixelma (without an opinion of a chessbox user) 01:05:44 mpeccorini I do use it a lot, and to be honest, I've reseted games accidentaly more than once 01:06:01 mpeccorini I'll probably remove the reset game keymap from my version :p 01:06:23 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:07:06 pixelma hehe... maybe I can throw that into discussion tomorrow again, since the reporter didn't answer. Now I got at least one opinion :) 01:07:25 mpeccorini throw into discussion with who? 01:07:37 pixelma here? 01:08:03 mpeccorini by the way, I want the patch I talked to you about committed because I have a new patch waiting which will allow the user to configure everything from the menu and store the setup 01:08:14 mpeccorini that would allow us to remove the "change level" keymap too :p 01:09:03 mpeccorini would the "big guys" spend time discussing so minor changes to chessbox? 01:10:08 pixelma you could always try - and in this case, closing of a bugreport would make them happy... 01:10:15 Quit obo ("bye") 01:11:12 mpeccorini in that case, I'll make sure I read the logs tomorrow just in case I can be of help 01:13:10 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 01:13:20 pixelma What patch is it? Maybe I can point them to it 01:14:15 Join [1]mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 01:14:57 [1]mpeccorini pixelma: 7174 01:15:55 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14ACE.dip.t-dialin.net) 01:17:13 * [1]mpeccorini would slap mpeccorini, but is not being violent today 01:17:46 Part [1]mpeccorini 01:18:04 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 01:18:06 Llorean linuxstb: Wouldn't it make sense if there were a "codec" image for WPSes, where it's a single image that is X wide, and Y tall, where Y is a multiple of the number of codecs, so it could automatically show the right codec image based on the codec enum, without using up the normal WPS images (though you'd still need the requisite space for the WPS) 01:18:08 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01:18:24 Quit limbus (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 01:18:25 Join [1]mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 01:18:36 pixelma ah, what do you mean with "have the correct date set"? non-RTC targets coming to my mind.. 01:20:57 [1]mpeccorini pixelma: you're right, I didn't consider non-RTC targets !, I'll fix that 01:21:18 [1]mpeccorini pixelma: I mean, the header of the game will store the date when the match was played 01:21:59 [1]mpeccorini I'll make it store ????.??.?? in non-RTC targets, that's what the PGN specification defines 01:22:50 pixelma I don't know how it works but non-RTC targets often use the date info of the build for things like that 01:23:25 pixelma Llorean: I had that thought a long time ago, something like the bitmap part system that's often used in plugins (I once counted number of bitmaps in the folder of the H300 iCatcher and it would have been 29 instead of 89 (with rwps) IIRC) 01:23:54 linuxstb Llorean: Yes, I would like to see support for partial bitmaps - not just limited to codecs though. 01:24:50 pixelma that's what I meant too 01:25:55 Llorean Partial bitmaps seems a bit complex without some extensive expansion of the WPS context. 01:26:03 Llorean But automated partial bitmaps for enums, much less so. 01:26:20 Llorean But that's just me, I don't know too much about it. 01:26:31 Llorean I'm talking 'complex from the wps design side' btw. 01:27:14 linuxstb Do all the enums have a fixed number of values? 01:27:25 Llorean I believe all except for the volume enum 01:27:33 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17F90.dip.t-dialin.net) 01:27:52 pixelma and battery 01:28:11 Quit ducbian ("Leaving") 01:29:29 Llorean Those could both be handled by a WPS tag that tells how many values to expect, then. Perhaps. 01:30:42 Soap amiconn: OT, but if adobe reader FF plugin crashes often on you, try the free (as in beer) Foxit Reader. 01:30:44 alienbiker99 i keep getting an m68k-elf-gcc: no such file or directory error when i try to build. i have it installed, what should i do? 01:31:12 Quit mpeccorini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:31:18 linuxstb alienbiker99: Add it to your PATH. 01:31:24 Soap have you added the installed cross, NVM 01:32:36 * amiconn proposed partial bitmap support a looong time ago... 01:33:03 linuxstb amiconn: I know 01:33:15 linuxstb No-one's done it though... 01:33:39 alienbiker99 what is PATH? 01:33:44 Llorean amiconn: I think we all like the idea of it 01:34:06 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01:34:12 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01:34:25 linuxstb alienbiker99: The variable that tells your shell where to look for programs 01:34:50 linuxstb Are you in cygwin, vmware, ... something else? 01:35:32 alienbiker99 cygwin 01:36:03 Quit [1]mpeccorini (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/") 01:36:05 jhMikeS Llorean: Then it's also time for symbolic enums to get rid of ordering dependencies in the core namely that of the codec order. I don't wish to see that dependency entrenched even further. :\ 01:36:10 Quit Xerion (" ") 01:36:48 linuxstb alienbiker99: Then see Step 4 here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di 01:36:58 alienbiker99 ok thank you 01:37:46 linuxstb jhMikeS: Why is that an issue? It's well-documented. 01:37:58 * amiconn wonders whether he's the only one who fails to understand jhMikeS' last commit msg 01:38:04 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:38:59 jhMikeS linuxstb: what is? the dependency? should be gone imo 01:39:07 jhMikeS amiconn: what part? :) 01:40:05 amiconn The message in general... 01:40:06 jhMikeS amiconn: the code assumed that MPEG1 was available for recording on all targets because 44.1kHz would be there...on Sansa it's not the case 01:41:16 amiconn The sansa can't record at 44.1kHz? 01:41:29 jhMikeS I'll try pushing the AS3514 clocking and see but the ADC runs no faster than 1/2 LRCK 01:41:30 amiconn Or even 48 or 32.. ?? 01:41:54 amiconn Odd target, the sansa... 01:42:02 jhMikeS The LRCK is only supposed to go to 48kHz max but the ADC will be running 24 in that case 01:42:40 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-71-56-227-141.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 01:42:47 jhMikeS The recording throws away half the samples since it receives every sample value twice because of that 01:43:53 jhMikeS The OF records files as 24kHz (48Khz but with sample duplication) 01:44:12 linuxstb jhMikeS: That's what I'm asking - why is the ordering dependency in the list of codecs a problem worth inventing new WPS syntax to solve? 01:44:38 amiconn Does the sansa have line in? 01:45:22 alienbiker99 thanks linuxstb its working now =D 01:45:23 jhMikeS amiconn: I don't know yet 01:45:23 amiconn Wouldn't make sense with such a severely crippled recording capability imho 01:45:43 jhMikeS maybe in the connector but I haven't looked into it 01:46:34 jhMikeS linuxstb: I think a minor addition would be enough to label the bitmaps...and we already did a reording to accomodate PCM in hw codec 01:46:54 jhMikeS ...which meant I had to fix a bunch of WPSs 01:48:10 linuxstb I didn't think hwcodec supported PCM... 01:48:46 pixelma it does, just not in the playback engine yet (wavplay plugin) 01:48:55 jhMikeS I'm not sure but amiconn wanted there not to be a hole in the array there so WAV and AIFF were put together 01:49:33 linuxstb pixelma: Yes, that's what I meant. 01:49:49 linuxstb But there wouldn't be a hole in hwcodec - the others would be #ifdef'd out. 01:50:48 pixelma but hopefully it'll be there one day - not being able to create playlists or even have volume control isn't that nice 01:51:25 jhMikeS linuxstb: Well, I'll have to look at the array before the BRP...but iirc there would have 01:52:08 jhMikeS I was going to just reorder instead of fix the WPSs but amiconn protested :) 01:52:41 Quit entheh ("^~") 01:53:01 amiconn linuxstb: Sure, but that would make wps'es incompatible between hwcodec and swcodec 01:53:40 jhMikeS amiconn: I have run the AS3514 at double or more clocking with good sound but I don't know how it will withstand that in general...perhaps it can be uncrippled :\ 01:54:21 jhMikeS amconn: ah, yes, that's right 01:54:22 amiconn Depends on power consumption and whether it's running stable when clock doubled 01:54:37 Join Vampyr3 [0] (i=458fd59a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c8e8f931925481f) 01:54:45 amiconn On hwcodec we overclock the MAS when pitching up - up to 200% 01:55:23 amiconn Doesn't cause any problems, even when leaving it running at 200% for hours 01:55:38 jhMikeS Well, I was only running the DAC not the ADC so who knows but it seems to sound stable at least 01:55:49 amiconn (and I misused this feature to generate 96kHz s/pdif signals for testing s/pdif recording on h1x0) 01:55:50 Join webguest76 [0] (i=458fd59a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e452d2d4b5f8b982) 01:56:06 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14957.dip.t-dialin.net) 01:56:12 Nick webguest76 is now known as IVampyr3I (i=458fd59a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e452d2d4b5f8b982) 01:56:15 amiconn Played an 48kHz mp3 pitched to 200%.... 01:56:35 IVampyr3I any1 know how to convert video? 01:56:41 jhMikeS If I can push to 32kHz recording that's good for FM with just the right cutoff 01:56:53 IVampyr3I as in from av1 to mpeg and as well as to the nano's screen? 01:57:14 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-228-240.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 01:57:18 amiconn Yeah, for fm 32kHz would be okay... anything below that is only suitable for voice imo 01:57:53 IVampyr3I can any1 help me to convert an mpeg video to fit the ipod nano? 01:58:14 Llorean |Vampyr3|: See the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki, and please be polite and don't repeat the same question in a short period of time 01:58:36 kkurbjun how to you tell twiki not to put those ? marks after text 01:58:40 IVampyr3I err thanx and sorry i thought noone was paying attention 01:58:56 kkurbjun and is there a way to make tables with equal spacing for each column 02:00 02:00:05 Quit Vampyr3 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02:02:29 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:02:33 linuxstb kkurbjun: I think you put an ! before the word to stop it being interpreted as a wikiword 02:03:17 kkurbjun linuxstb, thanks I'll try that 02:03:50 pixelma g'night all 02:03:58 Quit Psilonaut (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:04:09 Part pixelma 02:04:20 IVampyr3I nop it says VLC command not found =( 02:04:24 Nico_P jhMikeS: labeled bitmaps would make the WPS syntax even more messy IMHO 02:04:44 Nico_P I like the idea of one big bitmap array for codecs better 02:05:24 linuxstb Nico_P: That could be for any enum, not just codecs. 02:05:32 Soap kkurbjun: the ? marks I assume are after WikiWords which don't have a page created to auto-link to. 02:05:45 Nico_P linuxstb: yes, of course 02:06:32 Soap kkurbjun: Prefix words such as "TuneCast" with an explanation point, as in "!TuneCast" the ! won't show up in normal view, and it will prevent auto-linking of what the wiki assumes is a WikiWord. 02:07:01 IVampyr3I is any1 here using osx that can help me convert videos for my ipod nano? im having trouble witht he wiki page 02:07:02 Soap and dang I didn't see linuxstb's answer. 02:07:11 kkurbjun yep, the ! worked 02:07:40 kkurbjun do you guys know if you can make tables format with equal column spaces? 02:08:00 linuxstb IVampyr3I: You could try ffmpegx - but you would need to configure it yourself. 02:08:02 kkurbjun equal width that is 02:08:27 IVampyr3I dang im not good with configuring =( 02:08:38 Quit DanielW ("Leaving") 02:08:49 Soap kkurbjun: can't you force it by making the column headings (first row) all the same size, and at maximum expected cell length? 02:08:53 IVampyr3I but what do u mean by configuring? as in writing the file 02:09:02 IVampyr3I or as in witing the command 02:09:07 amiconn kkurbjun: I don't think that's possible in twiki 02:09:19 linuxstb IVampyr3I: As in telling ffmpeg what format the video needs to be 02:09:32 amiconn At least not without resorting to dirty tricks like using spacers or the good old 1-pixel gif 02:09:44 IVampyr3I oh so i wont need to enter the widht? 02:09:50 IVampyr3I *width 02:10:09 kkurbjun amiconn, ok, I'll just deal with the way it is 02:10:13 IVampyr3I because the wiki page is kinda confusing =( 02:10:18 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:10:27 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 02:11:08 linuxstb IVampyr3I: It's a wiki - it relies on users to edit and improve it... 02:11:30 IVampyr3I ye true 02:11:39 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02:11:47 IVampyr3I well in any case im downloading it now 02:12:07 IVampyr3I in any case rockbox is amazing =) 02:13:15 jhMikeS Nico_P: I thought my idea was a pretty clean extension :) basically a non-change...but I thought of something else too that could work 02:13:37 Nico_P what is it ? 02:14:20 * Nico_P is waiting for windows to update in the VM and it's taking forever... :( 02:14:45 jhMikeS The WPS has it's own array that maps to the codec array...the WPS array never changes order but the codec order can change freely 02:16:08 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.207.159) 02:16:32 linuxstb What would that gain us? 02:18:06 jhMikeS Order independence but won't address that other problem where a codec gets added for both HW and SW and a hole in the array is not wanted but the hold will only be pointers anyway and not full data structures 02:19:15 Soap kkurbjun: The wiki gods /have/ installed the tableplugin. 02:19:18 Soap you can do it. 02:20:07 Soap &TABLE{ tableborder="1" columnwidths="25%,25%,25%,25%" }% 02:20:48 Soap before your table will make (in this example) a border of 1 pixel, and force a 4 column table to equal-width columns of 25% of screen width. 02:21:01 Soap you can also use absolute pixel values instead of percents. 02:21:17 Soap s/&TABLE/%TABLE/ 02:21:31 linuxstb percentages are nicer... 02:21:39 Soap more...polite 02:21:50 saratoga finally found that wma decoder bug 02:21:57 saratoga the last one in my files I hope 02:22:07 linuxstb I thought you found it a while ago... Have you fixed it now? 02:22:08 Soap sweet 02:22:21 saratoga one of the butterfly ops overflows donig a regular addition 02:22:32 saratoga not even a fixed multiply 02:22:57 linuxstb But not in the floating point version? 02:23:23 saratoga it barely overflows, highest I saw was 33000 or so 02:23:33 saratoga which is fine for 32 bit float 02:23:36 Soap kkurbjun: last thing... http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TablePlugin 02:23:52 kkurbjun soap, great, thanks for that, I'll try it out 02:24:05 linuxstb saratoga: So does that mean the fixed-point code is generating correct output now? 02:24:22 saratoga i think it will once I decide how to fix this 02:24:52 saratoga you think its a good solution to do the fft (onyl thing that needs a butterfly) in a different fixed format then the rest of the codec? 02:25:01 saratoga 17.15 wouldn't overflow 02:25:28 saratoga or just change the whole codec to 17.15 02:25:39 saratoga and accept that we'll have 1 less bit of precision 02:26:21 linuxstb I can't help you with that. 02:26:24 saratoga hell, we should just require that people use replaygain with wma 02:26:32 saratoga that would solve this overflow problem 02:26:45 saratoga well, assuming you ran it before you encoded i guess 02:26:48 linuxstb Slightly related though, have you see mplayer's selection of test/problem files? http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ 02:26:48 saratoga :) 02:26:58 saratoga no, will have a look though 02:27:20 saratoga i suppose my 1 128k file that only exercises about 2/3 of the codec's code paths isnt' the best way to determine how well it works 02:30:11 IVampyr3I linuxstb can u reccoment something something like ffmpegx? for some reason its not mounting 02:31:30 Quit Nico_P ("bed time") 02:33:09 Part Llorean 02:33:46 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02:35:00 saratoga linuxstb: sorry missed that before, theres been a few bugs 02:39:00 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02:39:31 Join Porkys [0] (i=dtox@bas7-montrealak-1096598286.dsl.bell.ca) 02:39:37 Nick Porkys is now known as eloel (i=dtox@bas7-montrealak-1096598286.dsl.bell.ca) 02:39:45 Quit eloel (Client Quit) 02:40:11 Join eloel [0] (i=eloel@unaffiliated/eloel/x-23835602) 02:40:31 eloel How do i choose between the iPod 5thg and 5thg 64 MB? 02:40:50 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:42:40 Quit eloel (Client Quit) 02:47:09 IVampyr3I linuxstb: its not working ffmpegx is not converting it at all 02:48:55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02:52:59 IVampyr3I can any1 help me with encoding a vid for my ipod from mac osx? the wiki page is a bit confusing 02:53:09 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf7af3.dip.t-dialin.net) 02:54:56 Quit maffe (Remote closed the connection) 02:57:29 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 02:58:34 Join Yannni [0] (i=Yannnni@c-75-65-78-88.hsd1.la.comcast.net) 02:59:24 Yannni hi 02:59:24 Quit IVampyr3I ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02:59:27 Join webguest76 [0] (i=458fd59a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d638ee66dfa5d869) 03:00 03:00:29 jhMikeS JdGordon: You pinged earlier...what's up? 03:00:51 JdGordon hey 03:00:58 JdGordon are you watching the sd patch task? 03:01:32 jhMikeS Technically but haven't really been reading anything 03:02:10 JdGordon if yo get a chance, could you check the latest patch please? your recording commit broke ata-e200.c and I'm not sre if the snc I did is correct 03:02:11 * jhMikeS doesn't have an SD card to check anything out 03:02:30 jhMikeS how could it have broken it if I'm using my player? 03:02:34 JdGordon fs 7134 to save you searching :) 03:02:50 jhMikeS Is there a problem yielding in the driver? 03:03:03 JdGordon no, i mean your commit broek the patch on that file 03:03:34 Yannni would anyone here happen to have the build from like a year ago when they fixed the battery problem on the h300 03:04:03 Yannni cause i just updated a couple weeks ago from that build and now my battery life is like half as good 03:04:39 jhMikeS only thing that changed was the use of spinlock_lock/unlock and 1 priority_yield so just keep those 03:04:56 XavierGr Yanni: that can't be right 03:05:15 JdGordon jhMikeS: ok, thats what I figured, so shhuold be ok 03:05:18 XavierGr Yanni: the bettery issue fixed long ago has nothing to do with recent updates 03:05:19 jhMikeS oh and spinklock_init instead of mutex_init 03:05:34 XavierGr Yanni: are you sure that your battery isn't flacky after all these years? 03:05:45 Yannni well it drains completely every day now when i used to only drain to 50% 03:06:07 XavierGr hmm have you checked if the disk spin options is set to off? 03:06:25 Yannni well it might be but it seem to happen after i updateed 03:06:28 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:06:46 XavierGr actually ignore me I think that option is removed 03:07:00 jhMikeS JdGordon: perhaps the awful tick task should be removed from that and use the GPIO IRQs to detect the card insertion 03:07:28 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf7af3.dip.t-dialin.net) 03:07:49 Yannni well is there anyway to get that build 03:08:18 XavierGr I am not sure there is 03:08:50 XavierGr the build table stores some old builds but not so long before 03:08:57 webguest76 can any1 help me convert a vid so i can play it on my ipod nano? the wiki page is a little too confusing to me 03:10:01 JdGordon jhMikeS: yeah problably. I dont kow what else in ata-e200.c Toni fiddled with (I tihnk he redid a fair chunk of it thouogh), so best leave it to him 03:11:07 Nick webguest76 is now known as Bootit (i=458fd59a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d638ee66dfa5d869) 03:11:37 Yannni do alot of people here still use the h320 with no problems 03:12:01 JdGordon mine works fine, apart from feeling much slower than my sansa.. and its battery being shot 03:12:05 Soap aye, Yannni, no battery life issues when I'm "allowed" to play with the H3xx 03:12:16 jhMikeS JdGordon: I'm sure he's sick my colliding with his stuff by now. :P 03:12:29 JdGordon haha I would think so 03:12:53 Yannni just makes me sad when i see it hit like 8% then turn itself off when i get home 03:13:08 JdGordon jhMikeS: now we really just need usb working and no mroe need for of :) 03:13:08 jhMikeS Well, you could apply the patch to a source before the recording addition, then perhaps do an svn up on that with the patch appied 03:13:18 JdGordon thats what I did 03:13:30 JdGordon was much easier... but had 2 conflicts, hat I tinhk i did right 03:13:51 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 03:13:56 jhMikeS What's missing from USB anyway? 03:13:59 JdGordon http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7134?getfile=14064 shows the conflcits aftr than 03:14:12 JdGordon a softaware stack r something? 03:15:39 jhMikeS 1) just keep the spinlock_init and currcard->initialize = true 03:16:31 jhMikeS 2) move priority_yield() to between sd_command and sd_check_timeout .. I think that should work 03:16:32 JdGordon sd_wait_for_state has the other one... 03:16:37 JdGordon bah, too slow :p 03:18:05 JdGordon ah, It looks like i did 2) wrong, thanks 03:18:18 JdGordon that hopfully expalins the crashes i've been getting 03:22:26 Bootit an any1 help me convert a vid so i can use it on my ipod? the wiki page is confusing =( 03:25:09 JdGordon jhMikeS: cheers, I put the priority_yield() in he wrong after the timeout which must have caused problems, working fine now 03:25:37 JdGordon breakfast time, then study, then figuring the IRQ stuff in my lunch break :) 03:25:51 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-96a0bc473b7ed531) 03:27:57 jhMikeS JdGordon: just what the buttons do should work 03:28:29 Join Slowking_Man [0] (i=slow@wikipedia/Slowking-Man) 03:30:18 Quit Dwyloc ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03:35:01 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:35:32 Quit Bootit ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03:51:18 Join stationearth [0] (n=punit@dz2.CS.McGill.CA) 03:57:01 Yannni whats a good player to get that has rockbox support 03:57:22 alienbiker99 gigabeat f or x i think 03:57:44 alienbiker99 man i was trying to edit this patch with my no knowledge of coding and as expected, it didnt work 03:59:39 JdGordon jhMikeS: (GPIOA_INT_STAT & 0x80) is correct for the irq right? (that is the port and bit the sd card triggeres).. 04:00 04:01:26 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04:03:32 JdGordon hmm... forgot to reset the interupt... 3rd time lucky :) 04:04:37 JdGordon :( no worky 04:04:56 jhMikeS if that's the line it checks then yes 04:06:17 jhMikeS you have to set GPIOA_INT_LEVEL bit 7 level at firmware init and watch for the flip and then set the level to the opposite of the line status at each interrupt 04:06:52 jhMikeS GPIOA_INT_EN |= 0x80 is also need to unmask the line 04:07:40 JdGordon where? 04:08:39 jhMikeS where it enables the GPIOA line 04:11:32 JdGordon ah, ok, found it :) 04:14:15 JdGordon :'( still no good 04:14:56 jhMikeS Are you clearing the interrupt? GPIOA_INT_CLR = (1 << 7)? 04:15:21 jhMikeS the countdown thing won't work here btw 04:15:45 JdGordon woops, did a & instead of a | 04:15:54 JdGordon yeah, i scra[[ed the whole countdown thing 04:16:07 Join paul_stead [0] (n=stead@82.69.201.206) 04:16:09 JdGordon not sure if that will cause problems or not though 04:16:52 JdGordon I dont need to clear the interrupt before enabli it do I? 04:17:11 jhMikeS you should...just look at the button driver 04:17:42 jhMikeS clear it, check the line status and set the interrupt level to the opposite at init 04:18:03 jhMikeS or actually, clear it after setting the level...whatever works :P 04:18:09 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:18:32 JdGordon woohoo... its working :D 04:19:04 JdGordon was working... caused some very wierd behavious though 04:20:51 jhMikeS it'll obviously need to generate an insert notification after init to get the initial state at startup 04:21:02 Part stationearth ("Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org") 04:21:46 JdGordon yeah, no thats not the problem, Im not insteerting untill rb is finished loading... 04:23:30 JdGordon when the card is in the whole thin slows down, and eventually panics 04:24:42 jhMikeS Ummm...probably not clearing the interrupt or setting the level correctly and it's flooding with them 04:25:00 preglow dfs 04:25:58 preglow guess who's drunk 04:28:36 Join BloodSkin [0] (i=411831e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c278b07eff8489ee) 04:29:36 Quit BloodSkin (Client Quit) 04:29:48 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 04:29:56 * jhMikeS ? 04:30:50 preglow hrm 04:31:49 Join mpeccorini [0] (i=a8f3ca51@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9ab15595ba4efa7a) 04:33:52 Quit mpeccorini (Client Quit) 04:35:38 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@65.198.26.227) 04:42:59 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04:43:05 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04:47:19 JdGordon jhMikeS: what shouold the level be set to? doing a striaght copy from the buton driver bvisouly is wrong (http://pastebin.ca/546549), removign the ~ from the current_status = line causes it to do nothing :( 04:48:02 jhMikeS to the opposite of the current line level since the interrupt occurs when the line is at the level set 04:48:59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04:50:09 JdGordon grrr.. tha comment is wrong then... bit 8 is set if there is no card insterted... 04:50:14 preglow haha 04:50:14 jhMikeS GPIOA_INT_LEV = (GPIOA_INT_LEV & 0x80) | (current_status ^ 0x80) 04:50:15 preglow you' 04:50:32 jhMikeS never mind what I just posted :P 04:50:38 preglow you're making my typing look good :)) 04:50:38 jhMikeS you have it right 04:51:06 jhMikeS but do this: current_status = GPIOA_INPUT_VAL & 0x80 04:52:40 JdGordon woo hooo :D got it working 04:53:13 JdGordon there is a very slight delay when inserting it and showing up in the tree.. but good enough 04:53:20 JdGordon cheers jhMikeS 04:56:37 jhMikeS hey, are those SD cards pricey or pretty cheap? I can hardly fit enough music on the internal flash. 04:57:00 preglow pretty cheap 04:57:01 JdGordon dirt cheap here 04:57:07 JdGordon $18 for 1gb 05:00 05:03:34 jhMikeS probabaly should add the CPU_INT_EN = HI_MASK and CPU_HI_INT_EN = GPIO_MASK to any init routines that enable them too just to be sure or maybe to the system init routine since they won't appear without a GPIO unmasked anyway 05:03:57 Join Ihavethespeed [0] (n=Miranda@static-69-95-143-28.mil.onecommunications.net) 05:04:08 Ihavethespeed hello, anyone here to help 05:04:11 Ihavethespeed ? 05:06:25 Ihavethespeed pleeaaase 05:07:43 Soap ask the question, Ihavethespeed, and someone will be much more likely to answer ;) 05:08:20 Ihavethespeed *PANIC* 05:08:21 Ihavethespeed Stkov sd 05:08:33 Ihavethespeed what is that and why wont it go away? 05:09:17 Soap I do not know - more info would be helpful, though. 05:09:50 jhMikeS Ihavethespeed: I think that's being worked on right now now 05:10:13 Ihavethespeed it just appeared after i tried to apply a theme 05:10:27 Ihavethespeed and no buttons will work, sansa e200 05:10:47 jhMikeS how'd you apply a theme with no buttons working? 05:11:44 jhMikeS if you're stuck on the panic screen, just hold power for about 10 to 15 seconds until it shuts off 05:12:06 Ihavethespeed the buttons stopped working when the error screen popped up 05:12:47 Ihavethespeed oh sweet, thanks, i held the button down before, i guess just not long enough 05:13:51 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 05:14:07 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A948E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05:14:26 Ihavethespeed soooo, this might sound dumb, but is there a front end? 05:15:04 Ihavethespeed i bought this sansa because i wanted to play flac files and rockbox said it could do it, but im not sure where to go from here 05:19:35 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05:20:29 JdGordon Ihavethespeed: was that panic with svn code? 05:20:42 JdGordon i mean, the official build? 05:21:02 Ihavethespeed yea, the latest build 05:21:12 JdGordon ok 05:21:24 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf66c4.dip.t-dialin.net) 05:21:35 Ihavethespeed how do i put stuff on it 05:21:50 * JdGordon goes to bump that sd stack 05:24:42 JdGordon Ihavethespeed: go into the OF (hld left while booting), make sure its usb mode is set to msc then connect the usb cable 05:24:51 * jhMikeS thinks a single system thread should handle all these slow tasks like power, usb, sd card, etc. 05:24:54 JdGordon rockbox cant cnnect to usb yet.. you have to use the OF for usb 05:25:17 JdGordon jhMikeS: the sd thread is the ata tread renamed 05:26:05 JdGordon I'm not sure why it cant use the regular ata thread though 05:26:07 jhMikeS ah...yes, it is...:) 05:26:55 jhMikeS still, more condensation and not using tick tasks where interrupts could be used would be more efficient...for any target 05:27:38 Ihavethespeed OF? 05:27:48 Ihavethespeed origional frontend? 05:28:36 JdGordon firmware... 05:29:34 Ihavethespeed soooooo, the only way i can put stuff on it is through the sd card? 05:29:39 jhMikeS Original Flotsam 05:29:53 JdGordon Ihavethespeed: re-read my above message... 05:30:40 * jhMikeS wonders just how much has to be added for having USB ... an entire device stack? ... argh 05:32:15 Ihavethespeed still have no idea 05:32:23 jhMikeS ...and two devices have to be mountable on sansa 05:32:57 JdGordon na, the msd card can be ignored in the first instance.... unless its no big deal to get it working 05:33:52 * JdGordon wouldnt care if the mSD card couldnt attach to usb if it meant geting usb working faster 05:38:44 JdGordon oh goody, build table is frozen again 05:41:30 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:41:40 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf5fd6.dip.t-dialin.net) 05:42:10 jhMikeS I feel like it'll just come with it anyway...there has to be some low level handling of packets or something in hardware though...and there are more FIFOs in the PP5024 05:43:58 jhMikeS First, the remaining screen melt must have the cause found and fixed 05:46:11 Quit dwarfy () 05:47:22 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:49:31 jhMikeS JdGordon: did you ever think to try the 16-bit I2S on a 502x based iPod? I can't see why it shouldn't work as well for that as the e200 05:57:54 Part nls 06:00 06:07:48 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 06:08:23 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-228-240.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 06:11:25 Ihavethespeed how do i view photos 06:16:22 Part Yannni 06:19:12 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 06:22:36 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Connection timed out) 06:23:54 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-228-240.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 06:25:49 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-139-216-167.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 06:26:30 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:29:19 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:29:51 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-228-240.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 06:36:08 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B143B4.dip.t-dialin.net) 06:45:17 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:49:02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06:51:49 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 06:56:23 jurrie_ Ihavethespeed: still need help? 06:57:48 jurrie_ Simply use "Files" to browse your player's file system... select a supported formatted file (i.e. a jpeg) and the image viewer plugin should be started automatically 07:00 07:00:36 JdGordon jhMikeS: sorry? whaA? 07:17:45 Quit Ihavethespeed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:23:32 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 07:27:36 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 07:28:21 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07:30:23 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07:30:34 Part kaaloo 07:37:36 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16880.dip.t-dialin.net) 07:40:35 Join webguest08 [0] (i=4595dd97@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fa185f1ec3c6482e) 07:41:12 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:41:42 webguest08 Does anyone know that new people cannot register for the forums? 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The e200 writes 16-bit L-R pairs directly in to the FIFO but the iPods are still shifting the 16-bit data to 32-bits but since it's now known what to do, I think iPods (at least 502x based) should use that too. It's half as many FIQs afterall for the same number of samples. 08:01:37 scorche JdGordon: 8 08:01:45 * JdGordon is a software person... 08:01:53 JdGordon no idea what your talking about :) 08:02:06 JdGordon scorche: do any apart from the player have less than that? 08:02:25 amiconn JdGordon: 8 lines without any bars, 7 with status bar, and 6 with status bar + button bar (recorders) 08:03:03 scorche JdGordon: that should be the min 08:03:04 jhMikeS ok...thought it could possibly help batt life though and I'd do it if I could test it there 08:03:11 amiconn JdGordon: No, all the bitmap archoses have the same lcd 08:03:12 scorche although, i dont know about the remotes 08:03:16 JdGordon ok, cool 08:05:58 amiconn scorche: Which remotes 08:06:21 JdGordon the iriver lcd remote has 5 I think with default font 08:06:29 scorche amiconn: i was saying that i dont know much about the remotes, so there might be one out there with less lines 08:06:58 * amiconn wonders why JdGordon is guessing instead of calculating 08:07:07 amiconn All the relevant data is known 08:07:18 JdGordon coz im lazy :D 08:08:01 amiconn rockbox_default is 8 pixels high. The resolutions of all the lcds are in the device comparison chart, in the config-*.h files, and several other places 08:08:21 * amiconn doesn't need to look them up at all - even for targets he doesn't have 08:08:39 amiconn And the iriver remote also has 8 lines with the default font 08:08:51 * JdGordon _was_ on his way to the device chart before the answers were given... 08:12:07 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:12:08 Nick Lynx- is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 08:14:19 amiconn Why is it imortant how many lines there are with the default font? All core screens should be adapted to work in a useful way with any font the user selects 08:14:40 amiconn (within reasonable bounds) 08:15:13 jhMikeS JdGordon: speaking of screen space, the keyboard and color picker were never updated to account for icon size 08:15:39 JdGordon amiconn: yeah you right, I thought the rockbox info screen still used the default font... og hell 08:15:51 JdGordon and jhMikeS, yeah, need t fix that 08:16:01 amiconn Hmm, speaking about that - I think there are more places with an info display, which could use the list widget for show the info 08:16:14 amiconn s/show/showing/ 08:16:38 JdGordon where else? 08:16:59 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 08:17:03 amiconn Imho the list widget should have a read-only mode where you can scroll like normal but the cursor (bar or pointer) should be invisible 08:17:25 amiconn ...to make it obvious that there is nothing to select 08:17:54 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 08:18:04 JdGordon that could be done fairly simply... 08:18:24 Part toffe82 08:18:37 amiconn JdGordon: Several screens in debug come to mind. Those aren't important for the end user but hopefully using the list widget there would save some space 08:19:00 JdGordon they alrerady use the list if it was easy to convert them 08:21:44 JdGordon amiconn: the hwinfo and database (and similar) screens? they could be converted, but its a bit of a PITA to do, and not worth the effort imo 08:21:56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6835.dip.t-dialin.net) 08:21:59 amiconn View I/O ports, View battery (except the graph of course), View HW info, View disk info (MMC info on Ondio), View dircache info, View database info 08:22:26 amiconn Especially disk info is annoying and ugly 08:23:58 JdGordon yeah, but how to we efficiently put that text into a list? a switch for each selection case? 08:24:11 JdGordon in the get_text callback I mean.... 08:24:13 JdGordon not really nice 08:24:59 amiconn There is a switch for each case atm 08:26:21 amiconn Okay, this might not save much space then, but it should still be better readable than the current mess 08:26:49 JdGordon oh, wow, that code sucks :D 08:26:54 amiconn On a related note, the cluster size should be removed from disk info since it doesn't belong there 08:26:59 LinusN is it important that the debug code is readable? 08:27:12 JdGordon mornig LinusN, care t kick the build server? 08:28:27 amiconn Using the list would also help to remove a couple if ifdefs and duplicated code in there (charcell / bitmap) 08:28:53 JdGordon jhMikeS: just got a screen melt :( 08:29:18 jhMikeS with what? what I just did? 08:29:33 JdGordon no, just regular scrolling did it 08:29:42 JdGordon with svn from a few hours ago 08:30:16 jhMikeS oh, I just did something to stop it messing with the DMA transfer which really doesn't help appearance anyway 08:30:28 JdGordon k 08:30:37 JdGordon first one in a while also... 08:30:56 jhMikeS yeah, the timing change alone didn't quite do it 08:33:03 * jhMikeS can't see if the commit will be all green :( 08:33:35 jhMikeS oh, guess it's running again :) 08:34:18 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17623.dip.t-dialin.net) 08:41:51 JdGordon builds died again? 08:41:58 JdGordon no source zip... 08:43:07 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-2b0fabd9ad49810e) 08:43:20 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 08:48:35 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:49:05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08:52:31 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:53:50 JdGordon yep definatly fubar 08:54:20 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08:55:46 GodEater JdGordon: unless someone's recent commit has moved rockbox into the same level of complexity as say windows vista ? :) 08:56:15 JdGordon it was jhMikeS.... 08:57:43 Join davina_ [0] (n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 08:58:13 amiconn linuxstb: there? 08:58:35 scorche JdGordon: so quick to point the finger, eh? =P 08:58:55 JdGordon deflecting the blame is what i do best :) 09:00 09:00:32 * jhMikeS is a mirror for blame :) 09:01:27 * B4gder volounters as skapegoat 09:02:21 GodEater you can blame me too if you like 09:02:46 * scorche volunteers to do all the blaming 09:03:42 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@rockbox/developer/petur) 09:07:17 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:08:07 * B4gder tries to improve things by adding ServerAliveInterval=30 to the ssh client config for the build master 09:08:50 B4gder those ssh connections can somehow fail mysteriously without the master finding out 09:09:09 B4gder so it sits there waiting forever on a connection that's gone 09:10:52 * GodEater wonders if that might be his build server, since he can't seem to ssh into it this morning 09:10:59 GodEater in which case it really would be my fault :) 09:11:15 B4gder well, we had problems with that yday and I commented it out 09:11:26 B4gder but since we've had problems on several other hosts too 09:11:32 GodEater ah 09:11:39 B4gder it seems to be a bad build server period 09:11:59 GodEater I don't think it's my server per se, I think it's more my flakey ass connection 09:12:18 B4gder yeah, and I would even go as far as saying that the ssh client is flawed 09:12:31 GodEater blasphemy! 09:12:43 B4gder sometimes when it hangs I do "netstat -tn" and check for the IP adress... 09:12:50 B4gder and it isn't present... 09:12:57 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 09:13:06 B4gder yes, like that! ;-P 09:13:09 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-e0ea3d212f8c3696) 09:13:13 petur rofl 09:13:30 GodEater damn web irc client going silly on me again 09:13:54 petur GodEater: watch the log, you missed some important talk ;) 09:13:55 B4gder hehe, it came just so well timed 09:14:06 GodEater I was watching the log 09:14:21 GodEater my "blasphemy" appeared in it, but not in the client =/ 09:14:24 GodEater that keeps happening 09:14:56 GodEater B4gder: you get 30 seconds or so to try something for me ? 09:15:02 B4gder sure 09:17:07 GodEater mental note to self, "reboot router before leaving for work - every morning" 09:17:27 B4gder it seems our work with limbus' machine was worth the time, as it seems to stick on the top half of the servers build/speed wise 09:17:45 GodEater yeah I noticed that 09:18:58 * GodEater wonders if it's time to invest in a new box for home 09:19:14 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16771.dip.t-dialin.net) 09:20:20 B4gder new boxes are fun! 09:20:33 B4gder well, apart from all the install work 09:21:34 GodEater I'm so out of touch with PC hardware - I've no idea what to buy 09:21:40 GodEater research time! 09:22:17 B4gder yeah, I find it better to check that when its time to buy rather than try to keep up all the time 09:22:48 B4gder storebror.haxx.se is an athlon 64 X2 5800, and I'm quite happy with it 09:23:20 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust362.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09:23:21 scorche my processor has come down about 75% since i got it =( 09:24:29 Join tsygrl [0] (n=marina@base.e271.net) 09:24:34 * GodEater wonders about going core 2 duo 09:24:55 B4gder they're the best bang per mhz, possibly per buck too now 09:25:30 scorche aye..they outperform the amd equivs 09:25:39 B4gder yes, per mhz 09:25:57 B4gder when I bought my box, amd still outperformed intel for the same money 09:26:15 scorche yeah...after the recent amd price cuts 09:26:26 scorche well, not so recent anymore 09:26:33 B4gder hehe 09:27:25 GodEater any comments about "conroe" versus "allendale" ? 09:27:41 * B4gder has no clue 09:27:42 Join rift_ [0] (n=opera@125.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 09:31:22 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 09:38:32 Part rift_ 09:40:56 scorche GodEater: last mail was nice 09:41:49 GodEater on the git list ? 09:41:54 scorche aye 09:42:22 GodEater I've not read it all the way through yet - it was a bit of an essay :) 09:43:26 * GodEater goes off to do that now 09:47:45 GodEater having read it: basically we can use git to match our current model, but it'll take some work up front to set up the access control the way we want it 09:48:05 scorche yeah, but i cant imagine much 09:48:19 B4gder we don't have any fine-grained access control today anyway 09:48:33 GodEater you either have it or you don't ;) 09:48:34 scorche indeed...would be quite easy 09:49:14 scorche if we do it that way, i cant see much disadvantages with switching over to git 09:49:36 scorche s/much/many 09:50:02 GodEater and we get a lot of advantages to go with it 09:50:10 GodEater I particularly like git-bisect 09:50:19 scorche i havent gone into that yet 09:50:34 scorche what advantages does that have over vanilla git? 09:50:47 GodEater it's part of vanilla git 09:51:06 GodEater it's a tool to let you track down obscure bugs 09:51:27 GodEater scenario : user reports a bug with symptoms "a" 09:52:02 GodEater on checking back through your revisions, you find that it was present in a build from several hundred revisions ago 09:52:11 GodEater but you're not sure which commit caused it 09:52:32 * scorche hands GodEater a book on paragraphs =) 09:52:37 GodEater git-bisect basically allows you to track down the offending commit without having to look at each one of those hundreds of revisions 09:52:55 GodEater hehe - sorry - I tend to write a line at a time so you don't think I've fallen asleep :) 09:53:26 scorche well, you typically never have to do each revision...8 hops is typically enough 09:54:28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp222-144.adsl.forthnet.gr) 09:54:29 GodEater indeed, git-bisect just makes it an easy process - you just identify a build which definitely didn't have the bug, and the most recent one which definitely did 09:54:54 GodEater and it checks out a revision somewhere in the middle, and asks you, (after you've built it) - did this contain the bug? 09:55:02 scorche ah...so it keeps tracks of your hops pretty much? 09:55:18 GodEater and depending on your answer, it works out which direction it needs to move through the revisions to narrow it down further 09:55:42 GodEater repeat until bug is located 09:55:54 * scorche just usually does it in his head, but that can be useful =P 09:56:05 GodEater yeah, especially if you get interuppted 10:00 10:03:22 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@bne75-7-82-230-110-107.fbx.proxad.net) 10:03:30 Part kaaloo 10:04:26 Join rift_ [0] (n=opera@125.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 10:10:19 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10:12:09 B4gder for all swedish friends => check slackathon.se and a chance to endure a talk by me 10:12:45 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 10:12:59 JdGordon amiconn: you dont think having a list without the selection mark will make it wierd to view? 10:13:23 JdGordon ... especially if the list is longer than the screen, even though the scroll bar will be there 10:14:05 Join DarthShrine [0] (n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine) 10:21:13 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10:21:46 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:22:18 Join ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 10:23:25 linuxstb_ amiconn: I'm here now. 10:24:36 Join nls [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 10:36:04 Join otih [0] (n=otih@p54a4d18a.dip.t-dialin.net) 10:36:32 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17547.dip.t-dialin.net) 10:38:37 Join obo [0] (n=obo@host217-41-62-170.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 10:48:15 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 10:49:06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10:51:31 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:52:10 JdGordon hey Zagor 10:52:17 Zagor hi 10:52:28 JdGordon still getting mime_magic errors when uploading files, so yeah, its ont fixed 10:52:34 JdGordon s/ont/not 10:52:37 Zagor ok, thanks 10:53:17 JdGordon also, can you make it so only devs can vote on tasks? could make that feature more usefull 10:56:15 petur frrr... any way to remove your vote again? 10:58:21 petur Zagor ^ ? 10:58:34 Zagor petur: no. I asked the devs, and they said "why would you want to do that?" :-) 10:58:41 B4gder hahaha 10:59:01 * petur learned not to click on links just like that 10:59:10 B4gder I had petur's reaction too when I clicked on the vote once 10:59:17 B4gder I thought I was gonna get some alternatives or something 10:59:28 Zagor I tried to explain that people will test-vote on anything, but I'm not sure I convinced them. We'll see. 10:59:43 Zagor yeah, I did that too 11:00 11:00:01 * petur adds comment to task to explain he wanted to add a negative vote.... 11:00:11 Zagor haha 11:00:30 Join haemmy [0] (n=stefan@194.208.162.140) 11:00:56 pondlife Is there a vote regarding the REC button going down? 11:01:15 B4gder the votes aren't really useful at this point imo 11:02:08 Zagor I think I can pretty easily restrict voting to devs, and with a better text on the vote link they might become useful. 11:02:38 B4gder yes, and then we'd like to be able to sort based on votes too 11:02:43 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-ec103616b0758269) 11:02:52 Zagor on the other hand I don't really feel we've been missing a voting feature 11:02:59 B4gder me neither 11:03:04 pondlife Rockbox is not a democracy! 11:03:13 pondlife From the name down.... ;) 11:03:22 XavierGr what the hell! Firefox is consuming 332 MB of memory and keep increasing!! :O 11:03:53 scorche i have seen it get up to over 600, but it has gotten better lately 11:04:35 XavierGr well I have only 3 tabs open at the moment, and it isn't running for more than 1 hour 11:04:45 XavierGr I just happen to browse a site with tons of images 11:04:47 B4gder any devs use the svn-built source tarball? 11:05:08 petur here it is only a mere 45MB.... bloatware it has become.... 11:06:08 XavierGr well I don't consider 45 MB bloatware, but seeing 330 MB taken (now 370 MB BTW) just in an hour is crazy. 11:06:12 XavierGr serious memory leak 11:06:45 pondlife They should avoid using malloc :) 11:06:48 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:07:13 B4gder yeps, just use a fixed-size 300MB array ;-) 11:07:16 scorche XavierGr: some extentions can cause a leak as well...they have gotten rid of most of the leaks in firefox itself by now 11:09:00 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 11:09:15 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 11:09:18 Join idnar_ [0] (n=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 11:10:11 XavierGr scorche: that may be true but I don't feel confident enough (or willing to bother) to benchmark firefox memory usage with different extension patters... louzy programmers I guess (on firefox or the extensions) 11:10:17 petur ha... new strategy: make your app extremely extensible and then blame crashes and memleaks on the plugins :) 11:10:32 XavierGr but it is free and I like firefox so I mustn't complain :P 11:10:43 pondlife Money back guarantee? 11:10:57 XavierGr pondlife: indeed :) 11:11:23 pondlife Anyone object if I commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7249 - voice settings update?... 11:12:22 pondlife In particular, anyone who can build manuals reliably like to check out the manual patch. 11:12:39 pondlife Cygwin just doesn't cut the mustard for manuals, I've concluded. 11:12:47 * petur clicks the vote link for the fun of it 11:13:08 B4gder petur's become a voting machine! 11:13:13 B4gder :-) 11:13:20 pondlife Watch out for hanging chads. 11:13:35 * pondlife votes for beer. 11:13:56 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11:14:14 petur hehe 11:16:10 pondlife pixelma: A while back, were you trying to get the HTML manual building under Cygwin? 11:17:08 pixelma yes, but I gave up... :\ 11:17:12 pondlife Me too. 11:17:18 pondlife Just wondered... 11:19:14 JdGordon B4gder: in overview you can see the most voted for tasks 11:19:27 JdGordon and I tihk if the voting was restircted to devs, and was used it would be usefull 11:19:31 B4gder aha 11:20:39 B4gder the votes are still a bit unclear to me 11:21:28 B4gder in that overview it shows the votes are more for the general concept than for the specific patch/bugs that exist 11:21:46 B4gder and I don't see a need for that kind of voting 11:22:09 pondlife We don't really have time to work on things that other people want... 11:22:22 JdGordon well, I see it that is a request or patch has a fw votes then it means its posibly a good candidate to commit/work on? 11:22:36 JdGordon pondlife: which is why i say devs only 11:22:58 B4gder I don't think votes will cause any surprises 11:23:10 B4gder we already pretty much know what "they" want 11:23:46 B4gder but of course adding them for devs only probably won't hurt much either 11:23:48 pondlife Yes, my point exactly... the demand is not the limiting factor. 11:26:35 pondlife Is there anyone here who could build a manual for me? 11:26:51 pondlife Including the manual patch from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7249 11:27:24 amiconn linuxstb: Is the tatung elio PP5020, or is it PP5021 or higher? 11:28:17 linuxstb_ It's PP5020 11:31:01 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.200.105) 11:32:02 Join rp- [0] (n=rp@193.154.222.107) 11:32:09 rp- hi 11:32:28 rp- JdGordon did you see my last comment on the sd sansa patch? 11:33:11 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11:33:21 JdGordon just looking at it 11:33:33 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host117-225-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11:34:04 * petur kicks JdGordon and points to his books... 11:34:05 rp- k 11:34:11 JdGordon thanks petur :) 11:34:24 JdGordon rp whats the error on the BL? 11:34:35 XavierGr pondlife: you want me to build you a manual? 11:35:01 JdGordon and yeah, interesting bug you found there :( 11:35:02 pondlife XavierGr: Yes please, if you could just check that my patch doesn't break it. 11:35:31 XavierGr ok let me apply the patch 11:35:49 pondlife Just the voice_options_manual.patch. 11:35:57 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967951.dip.t-dialin.net) 11:35:58 pondlife If it builds, I'll commit it. 11:36:15 pixelma pondlife: aren't you able to buils a pdf manual as well? 11:36:19 pixelma *build 11:36:19 rp- here is the build log: http://rafb.net/p/dVP3D079.html 11:36:20 pondlife No 11:36:23 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 11:37:02 pondlife I did manage once, but not at the moment... and I don't have time to investigate :( 11:37:04 rp- JdGordon: i'm sorry for finding the bug ;) 11:37:23 JdGordon rp-: ah yes, the BL needs to be built without multi-volume and hotswap... but I want to eventually get it to be able to boot from rockbox.mi4 on the sdcard 11:37:32 * JdGordon goes back to studying... 11:37:37 pondlife rp-: Never be sorry about finding bugs. 11:37:47 pondlife (Well, unless you keep them to yourself.) 11:37:48 pixelma pondlife: do you remember the error message? I'm guessing it's the unicode package though... 11:38:03 pondlife Lots of them.. "LaTeX Error: \begin{description} on input line 44 ended by \e".. for example. 11:38:26 rp- it was ironic 11:38:33 pondlife pixelma: And it ends with make[2]: *** [rockbox-build.aux] Error make[1]: *** [manual-pdf] Error 2 11:39:01 * amiconn wonders whether linuxstb will ever pick up his started-and-abandoned ports again :/ 11:39:54 JdGordon oh sure... he is allowed to abandon his ports.. but can the rest of us abandon the player... no fair :'( 11:39:59 * JdGordon runs away 11:40:08 scorche one of these days, i am going to nab an AV300, but i keep missing them on ebay =( 11:41:36 amiconn JdGordon: I don't think it will feel odd when the scrolling behaviour is also changed slightly 11:41:42 pixelma pondlife: that doesn't sound like UTF-8 problem, must be something else - looks rather like errors in the tex file but if you get that on a svn checkout too... 11:42:26 JdGordon amiconn: na, I tired it, i can send you the patch if you want. the threads list is very wierd... you move down and seemingly randomly it changes screens 11:43:14 XavierGr pondlife: the patch seems broken :\ 11:43:24 XavierGr ah no 11:43:26 pondlife Hmm, it's hardly large 11:43:34 XavierGr I didn't download the last version 11:43:44 pondlife Hmm, there's only one version! 11:43:51 Quit Entasis_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:43:56 pondlife This is the "_manual" one, right? 11:44:13 XavierGr yeah I didnt' got that one 11:44:16 XavierGr one moment please 11:44:25 pondlife That's the only one you need. Not the others. 11:46:26 amiconn JdGordon: That's what I mean with changed scrolling behaviour. It should always scroll when moving up/down, not only when the (invisible) cursor hits the bounbds 11:47:35 JdGordon that will complicate the list a bit.. but it could be done 11:47:51 XavierGr pondlife: for which target do you want me to build the manual? 11:47:57 pondlife H300? 11:48:03 pondlife Any should do. 11:48:06 XavierGr ok 11:50:31 XavierGr hmm I think I can't build manuals, I got a utf file not found error, strange though because I didn't have that error in the past 11:50:51 pondlife Hmm, thanks for trying anyway. 11:51:06 XavierGr "LaTeX Error: File utf8x.def' not found." 11:51:22 XavierGr after I pressed enter to continue I got other errors 11:51:28 pondlife Me too. 11:51:37 XavierGr though I got a pdf in the end, but I don't know if it is okay 11:53:24 Part david1 11:53:27 pondlife Am I right in thinking we use the term "directory", not "folder"? 11:53:40 pondlife "folder" is an MS-ism, right? 11:53:45 XavierGr yup, even without your patch I still get the same error 11:53:55 linuxstb amiconn: I think it's unlikely that I'll continue with the Elio port (I was hoping some other Elio owners would show an interest). But the code does serve a useful purpose in SVN - the bootloader is a generic PP5020 build which should run on any hard-disk based PP5020 device - so it's useful if anyone wants to experiment with other PP5020 devices. But I could remove it from SVN if you think it's in the way. 11:53:56 pondlife Me too, and I get a PDF too. 11:54:33 linuxstb amiconn: But I'm planning on seriously attempting the av300 port as soon as I'm done with Monkey's. 11:54:51 pondlife Hmm, if I commit a manual mod - will I get to see red if it fails to build? Or will I just notice a lack of manuals after midnight? 11:55:18 Join tucoz [0] (n=tucoz@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 11:55:33 Join Entasis [0] (n=Jarred@ppp45-186.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) 11:55:34 linuxstb pondlife: Manuals aren't included in the current builds - so you'll just notice a missing manual tomorrow I think. 11:56:01 pondlife I feared as much. 11:56:02 tucoz pondlife, did you install the latex-ucs package? 11:56:19 amiconn jhMikeS: are you around? 11:56:54 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-dc34e0fc115ccf31) 11:57:15 pondlife tucoz: I've not found that for Cygwin - any URL you could share? 11:57:16 tucoz that enables unicode support. i guess that utf8x.def error is because you do not have latex-ucs installed 11:57:40 tucoz pondlife, hmm. i think bluebrother found a page with that 11:58:38 pixelma pondlife it's in the ManualHowto page... 11:59:09 pixelma pondlife: I could try your patch 11:59:51 pondlife Yes please, if you could... it's just a paragraph or two in voice.tex. 12:00 12:00:01 XavierGr ah I don't have latex-ucs installed on my vmware debian 12:00:36 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 12:00:43 XavierGr I think I can test now 12:00:46 XavierGr let me see 12:01:18 pixelma I'll wait then 12:02:00 XavierGr pondlife: I think it has errors :\ 12:02:34 pondlife :( 12:03:00 pondlife OK, I'll see if I can get my Cygwin working, unless you can spot a silly typo. 12:04:10 pixelma I believe it's missing some \end{descriptions} - let me see 12:04:17 Part tucoz 12:04:21 pixelma -s 12:09:57 XavierGr bah I can't build the html version of the manual 12:10:06 XavierGr stupid dependencies... :( 12:11:09 pixelma pondlife: yes, that fixed it. Should I attach a new patch in the tracker? 12:12:08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf4b52.dip.t-dialin.net) 12:12:54 pixelma XavierGr: IIRC the tex package for debian is now a different one... amiconn got it running 12:14:01 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.46.53) 12:14:46 XavierGr pixelma: so is there one for debian to install, or it need to be modified? 12:14:51 XavierGr +s 12:15:29 pixelma I don't know more about it 12:15:51 nls amiconn: I posted a working patch for building coldefire builds with -Os if you are interested. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7264 12:16:34 JdGordon latex-ucs - support for using UTF-8 input encoding in LaTeX documents <- thats not the one you want? 12:16:44 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:16:58 XavierGr JdGordon: yes that worked in order to build the pdf manual 12:17:10 XavierGr but now I get another error when I am trying to make manual-html 12:17:54 Join voltagex [0] (n=voltagex@121-79-8-57-dsl.ispone.net.au) 12:18:11 voltagex forgot to let you guys know I fixed the "fried" H340 12:18:20 voltagex so I'm back with Rockbox which is nice. 12:18:28 XavierGr is there a wiki page listing all linux packages in order to compile rockbox? 12:18:36 pondlife pixelma: Yes please 12:18:42 Join webguest21 [0] (i=4a841a2a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-87613f01d8b9522e) 12:18:59 pondlife pixelma: Also, does the text make sense to you?? 12:19:31 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 12:19:33 pixelma heh... didn't read too much, yet :) 12:19:34 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:19:55 pondlife I found it surprisingly hard to describe..! 12:20:20 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3CB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12:20:30 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:20:31 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) 12:20:39 webguest21 Is there a different patchset rockbox can use? I like to listen to lots of midis, so this would be useful. 12:20:46 DerPapst linuxstb: thanks for compiling :D 12:22:13 DerPapst webguest21: dunno if they are any other patchsets available. maybe yo have to make one yourself. 12:23:00 webguest21 ok. i'll try.. 12:23:09 DerPapst i haven't gotten midi playback to work well on my iPod Video. 12:24:15 Quit webguest21 ("CGI:IRC") 12:25:26 Quit DarthShrine (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:29:34 pixelma pondlife: so "use .talk clips" is now an extra option? At least this is how I understand it from reading the description, haven't tried the actual patch 12:30:21 pondlife Yes. The main idea is to allow the user who might not have a full set of .talk clips (or who uses the database too) to configure the fallback to be spelt or numbered. 12:30:48 pondlife Previously it was hard-coded to fall back to numbered files, which was a bit uselsss in a big database query. 12:31:55 pondlife I did consider just using .talk clips if they were present, but that would result in disk spin-ups where dircache is not in use. (And maybe when it is too!) 12:32:05 pondlife So thought config was safest. 12:34:10 pondlife pixelma: I've updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto - that's possibly clearer than the manual... 12:34:59 pixelma hmm... trying to imagine what I would think when finding the option in the menu (especially that it takes priority over the other settings which are on the "same level" when looking at the menu) 12:35:55 linuxstb DerPapst: You're welcome. I missed you by a few minutes last night... 12:36:02 pixelma pondlife: or am I missing something? 12:36:09 pondlife I don't understand. 12:36:22 pondlife What would you want to achieve? 12:37:01 pondlife The .talk clip takes priority if it exists and the option is enabled. 12:37:15 pondlife Otherwise it uses the spell/number option (if configured). 12:37:19 pixelma it's about the menu structure - explaining it is hard... seems I failed 12:38:00 pondlife Indeed. I have had trouble explaining it too :( 12:38:04 pixelma (or maybe it's only about the _imagined_ menu structure from reading the manual) 12:38:26 pondlife Structure? There are now 5 options, all side-by-side. 12:38:45 pondlife The menu doesn't have any "priority".. 12:39:44 Part maffe 12:40:32 Join BlahBlahBlah8826 [0] (n=Blah@dialup-4.131.70.224.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) 12:40:56 Part BlahBlahBlah8826 12:41:32 pondlife pixelma: OK for me to commit your work? 12:42:19 DerPapst LinusN: yep :-D seen that in the log. 12:42:53 DerPapst s/LinusN/linuxstb 12:43:16 pixelma yes, this is how I understood the manual but I can't imagine that I'd expect to set "use .talk clips" in one setting and then have to it set "spell" to define what happens when there's np .talk clip - if that makes sense :\ 12:43:25 pixelma *no 12:43:37 pixelma pondlife: sure 12:44:04 pondlife OK. Well if you can think of better wording, let me know .. 12:45:27 XavierGr I think that in oreder to make html manuals I will have to install the "tex4ht" package 12:45:37 Join BlahBlahBlah8826 [0] (n=Blah@dialup-4.131.70.224.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) 12:45:38 XavierGr but doing so it asks to remove my kernel!! 12:45:41 Quit Rondom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:45:46 pondlife XavierGr: That is not easy to find for Cygwin either! 12:45:48 pixelma pondlife: it's not the wording (unless I misunderstand) - it's about setting it 12:46:19 pondlife Well, I'd hope if the wording is correct then it would be easily undestood. 12:46:22 XavierGr so unless I upgrade to debian unstable I won't be able to build html manuals 12:46:53 B4gder surely debian testing is enough? 12:47:08 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:47:14 * nls gave up on building the html manual long ango... 12:47:40 Part BlahBlahBlah8826 12:48:04 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A948E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12:49:08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12:50:32 Join kena [0] (n=kena@83.145.112.203) 12:52:20 pixelma XavierGr: short info about it in the log from 5th of June, search for texlive or tex4ht 12:52:31 XavierGr I think I solved my problem 12:52:46 XavierGr apt-get install tex4ht then it will ask to remove the kernel 12:52:57 XavierGr you say no and then apt-get -f install 12:53:03 Part kena 12:53:12 XavierGr then apt-get install tex4ht again 12:53:18 XavierGr and hopefully that will fix it 12:53:33 pondlife I can now make a PDF manual, needed to do a meke clean I think. 12:54:35 pixelma pondlife: I think I understand but I'd expect some kind of hierarchy in the setting, but then it's judged from reading about it only... 12:54:35 XavierGr but now I get other errors grrr. I will read the log 12:55:43 pixelma XavierGr: I'm not sure it'll help you - it's just a short info about it 12:55:53 pondlife There was always a heirarchy - the .talk clip would fall back to numbering/spelling if it wasn't present. 12:56:01 XavierGr well I am going to install texlive too and see if that can work out 12:56:06 pondlife Now the user can choose what it falls back to. 12:57:49 pixelma pondlife: what happens if I use .talk clips but have the other voice options set to off? 13:00 13:00:19 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 13:00:22 pondlife It will use .talk clips where present, but otherwise keep quiet 13:00:39 pondlife What would you expect? 13:03:35 pixelma that's what I'd expect from reading, yes. But I'm not sure if that's good - from just looking at the menu I'd not expect that what I set in the "voice menu" (and so on) has an influence on what is happening when there is no .talk clip present (when using that) 13:04:05 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B162E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 13:04:13 pixelma ... that's so hard to explain ... 13:04:52 * JdGordon votes to scrap 90% of the user settings... 13:04:53 pondlife Let's see if we get many confused users...? 13:04:56 JdGordon too hard to support 13:05:03 JdGordon or just scrap the user support :D 13:05:17 pondlife Especially the "scrolling" page ;p 13:05:18 pixelma eh... and not "menus" but filenames/directories 13:05:44 pondlife Menus means menus, it's nothing to do with the browser options. 13:05:52 pixelma pondlife: well blind users could end up with no voice and wondering why... 13:06:12 pondlife By default, voice menus is enabled 13:06:47 pondlife So putting the .voice file in place should allow navigation to enable the browser options. 13:06:50 pondlife Same as before. 13:06:51 pixelma pondlife: yeah, stupid typo... I know that it only has an influence on voiced filenames 13:07:20 pixelma (.talk clips or not) - and directories of course - sigh 13:08:13 pondlife The main confusion will be that users of .talk clips will now need to enable the option as a one-off. I'll post on the users ML.... 13:11:02 pixelma and the other confusion could be that they get no voice feedback while browsing, no? 13:12:21 pondlife That will be the case after upgrading. 13:12:27 pondlife They will need to reconfigure. 13:13:03 pondlife Maybe there's a way to have it "upgrade" the settings? 13:13:17 pondlife JdGordon: Any ideas? 13:13:23 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 13:13:31 * JdGordon not following convo 13:13:46 JdGordon whats the prob? 13:14:02 pondlife I've changed the config settings. 13:14:48 pondlife Existing users would have something like "Voice dirs: hover". But "hover" is no longer an option, so I assume it will return the default option now? 13:15:24 JdGordon yep 13:15:29 JdGordon well... it shhuold 13:15:51 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:16:12 pondlife So, is there any way I can make it map to something else? Maybe keep the "hover" option in the file i/o code and remap it? But not allow the user to select it in the menu, 13:16:37 JdGordon no, thats a bit nasty imo... 13:17:09 pondlife I agree. I'll post on the ML and people will have to reconfig. Voice menus will still be enabled, so it's should be possible. 13:17:26 amiconn Why not just fall back to the default? 13:17:27 JdGordon well, I guess we could add something like this, and limit it to 2 or 3 settings, but tha will kill load times 13:17:37 amiconn You can always put a warning in the commit msg 13:17:47 pondlife Erm, too late! 13:18:17 pondlife I'll put a nice note on the user ML - that's where msny visually impaired users hang out. 13:18:28 pondlife I've updated the wiki and manual too. 13:20:33 amiconn pondlife: .talk clips for files doesn't require spinups for each file. The file browser caches whether a file has an associated .talk clip as a special attribute 13:20:46 pondlife Ah, so only for directories? 13:20:52 pondlife I could remove the file option? 13:21:03 pondlife Less options = good... 13:21:12 nls indeed 13:21:21 amiconn I think the option should stay 13:21:34 pondlife It's nice to have symmetry. 13:21:54 pondlife Any chance we could cache that info for directories too and scrap both options? 13:22:09 amiconn Hmm, now that I think of it, it could also cache this info for dirs 13:22:15 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p57b09f7b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13:22:30 amiconn But even with this caching, enabling .talk clips causes more disk activity 13:22:34 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 13:22:47 amiconn ...because each file has to be checked whether a corresponding .talk clip exists 13:23:55 nls amiconn: well, dircache could help out 13:24:16 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 13:24:24 Join webguest75 [0] (i=3d118f7d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-10c9aeffbd457b7b) 13:24:32 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57a97416.dip.t-dialin.net) 13:24:32 pixelma I still don't like the fact that one has to know s/he has to set numbers/spell in a different option to define what happens when there is no .talk file present :\ 13:25:03 pondlife Well how else to make it configurable? I could maintain the old "numbers" behaviour... 13:25:15 pondlife But it seems more sensible to make it fully configurable. 13:25:21 Quit printfXh4 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:25:34 pondlife I agree the transition may prove a little unpleasant. 13:25:43 pondlife But the end product is more logical. 13:25:56 * pondlife needs petur's book of Sentences.. 13:27:12 amiconn nls: On archos? 13:27:33 nls amiconn: hmm, no not for archos... 13:28:12 petur eh? 13:29:25 XavierGr well I have to say that firefox now (without reboot) dropped to 50MB of memory usage after leaving it alone for some time (about an hour I think) 13:29:50 Quit webguest75 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13:30:02 pixelma pondlife: what I also wanted to tell you but was carried away with the general discussion... one tiny tiny thing about the description in the manual... I don't like the sentence starting with ".talk clips" 13:30:26 JdGordon XavierGr: you had lots of tabs open? 13:31:30 XavierGr no, not at all 13:31:49 JdGordon ok then... 13:31:51 XavierGr JdGordon: 3 tabs open at the time which It hit 400MB and 3 tabs open now 13:32:10 XavierGr the difference was that I was browsing a webpage with a massive ammount of images 13:32:40 XavierGr so I could see from the task manager that memory usage was increasing as firefox was struggling to show all these images 13:33:19 pixelma XavierGr: the 400MB seem to be fixed - I got 2 instances open currently, both with a lot of tabs) 13:34:24 pondlife pixelma: Feel free to reword it... I couldn't find a clearer way to put it... I agree with you though! 13:34:39 * amiconn has 25 tabs open, and firefox needs just a little more than 80MB ram 13:35:04 XavierGr pixelma: what do you mean seem to be fixed? I am sure I have the latest firefox version, though yes I agree that my case might not be a memory leak 13:35:20 pixelma pondlife: just put a "The" at the beginning? I just don't like it starting with a dot 13:36:10 petur you can configure the caching alot through about:config 13:36:27 petur there was an article on /. recently I think 13:36:46 JdGordon amiconn: ah, your right, forcing the list to always move if selection is hidden works fine 13:37:49 pixelma XavierGr: no I meant that it takes the same amount of memory here even though I have more tabs open - but that doesn't seem to be right provided what amiconn said... 13:38:23 XavierGr yay after 80 mb of packages I managed to build an html manual (though still it nags about a mutlirow file?) 13:38:50 XavierGr for the record: in order to manage to build html manual you may need texlive and/or tex4ht 13:39:15 pondlife pixelma: Which sentence starts with .talk ? I can't see it... 13:40:08 pondlife Ah, I see it. 13:40:17 pixelma 2nd sentence under "Use directory .talk clips" - it... ok 13:42:35 Join philsen [0] (i=primate@ppp-62-245-162-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de) 13:42:37 JdGordon amiconn: shuold it be allowed to wrap? 13:44:19 amiconn iMHO IT SHOULDN'T 13:44:23 amiconn oops 13:44:28 pondlife Ow, my ears 13:44:42 amiconn damn caps lock 13:44:43 JdGordon :D 13:44:46 Join printfXh4 [0] (n=pseudo@ppp121-45-243-36.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net) 13:45:21 pixelma pondlife: are you working on the wording still? 13:45:36 pondlife Yes, well about to commit... 13:45:54 pondlife Suggestions? Or shall I commit and let you pick it up? 13:45:56 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D97E.dip.t-dialin.net) 13:46:22 JdGordon amiconn: ok, it works fine as long as the list is always started at item 0... 13:46:30 JdGordon otherwise it goes a bit funny.. 13:47:05 pixelma maybe there should be a sentence in the "Voice directories" sections to point out that the setting there is important what happens when using .talk clips? 13:47:15 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:47:37 pondlife Yes 13:47:38 pixelma pondlife: and "Voice filenames" 13:47:42 Join Buschel [0] (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D97E.dip.t-dialin.net) 13:48:21 amiconn pondlife: Hmm, I think the option can't be removed even when ignoring the disk accesses 13:48:43 amiconn ..because it may be that you don't want to hear the .talk clips even if they exist 13:48:49 pixelma obviously I'm not good at putting that in words today... 13:48:50 pondlife It also can save loading the voice file into memory. 13:49:07 pondlife pixelma: It's ok, I thnk I understand... ;) 13:51:08 pixelma thanks for your understanding... ;) 13:53:05 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (n=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 13:56:37 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:58:03 Quit Rondom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:00 14:02:01 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14:02:29 JdGordon ok, who has a better name for the function which stops the selection line/cursor from showing that "gui_synclist_hide_selection" which is obviously very bad? 14:02:57 pondlife What does it do again? 14:03:16 pondlife Hide Selection seems reasonable... 14:03:26 * JdGordon adds _marker to above function and commits 14:03:51 * pondlife loves extra _'s... :/ 14:05:08 * JdGordon loves them in the target tree... 14:05:21 JdGordon backlight_on(), _backlight_on(), __backlight_on() :D 14:06:56 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14:07:23 Quit philsen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:07:24 pondlife JdGordon: Good job we don't mix C and C++ here ;) 14:07:41 JdGordon ah, but we could.... 14:07:46 JdGordon think of the possibilites! 14:07:47 pixelma yeah, like linuxstb, linuxstb_, linuxstb__ :P 14:08:07 * JdGordon votes to port rockbox to C# to get more developers joiing! 14:08:07 * B4gder giggles 14:08:20 B4gder they'll joing all right 14:08:27 JdGordon bah 14:08:29 markun JdGordon: I read in some forum that you need C# anyway for embeded development :) 14:08:32 B4gder ;-] 14:08:47 markun (zune-linux forum of course) 14:09:07 JdGordon are all our fonts monospaced? (is that the right word?) 14:09:29 JdGordon all letters the same width 14:09:33 markun JdGordon: they are not all fixed with no 14:09:34 B4gder no, they're not 14:09:39 markun what made you think that? 14:09:47 JdGordon wishful tihking 14:09:51 JdGordon thinking* 14:10:08 markun dangerous thinking 14:10:29 * JdGordon wonders how many spaces to add on the second line of the partition item... without the selection shown its hrd t see which is which 14:11:08 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 14:11:47 JdGordon 3 it is then... 14:14:21 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:17:23 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14:17:24 pondlife pixelma: Updated voice options text in the SVN manual now FWIW. 14:17:39 amiconn JdGordon: Why 2 lines? 14:17:57 JdGordon 2 lines where? 14:18:32 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:22:28 amiconn RuleSet{ 14:22:28 amiconn name={} 14:22:28 amiconn readOnly={0} 14:22:28 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn 14:22:28 amiconn origin={} 14:22:29 amiconn global={0} 14:22:29 *** Alert Mode level 1 14:22:29 amiconn comment={} 14:22:31 amiconn objrenamed={0} 14:22:33 amiconn baseid={0} 14:22:33 Quit kclaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:22:35 amiconn incid={1} 14:22:37 amiconn featureLevel={0} 14:22:47 JdGordon wrong window? 14:23:00 amiconn ooops 14:23:24 amiconn No, clipboard mistake 14:24:50 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 14:24:50 * JdGordon balmes red delta on amiconn... it was his idea :D 14:27:11 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:32:22 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 14:32:30 *** Alert Mode OFF 14:33:57 * JdGordon still wonders what amiconn was talking about 2 lines...? 14:34:04 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-b133ffabf6ea7dee) 14:34:39 amiconn The partition items... 14:36:11 JdGordon because thats the way it always was.. the first line is P# S: the next is T: 14:37:46 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A94E20.dip.t-dialin.net) 14:38:36 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 14:49:09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14:53:53 linuxstb nls: Thanks for fixing FILES... 14:54:36 pixelma pondlife: there is a typo in your last manual commit "conttols" but I also expected something like a note to explain that when using .talk clips and a clip is not present, it falls back to what is set in "Voice directories/filename", because I think that's important (sorry if that wasn't clear in my last comment) 15:00 15:13:03 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 15:13:34 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host117-225-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15:14:25 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 15:14:44 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 15:15:48 Join Shaid [0] (n=adam@203-214-46-170.dyn.iinet.net.au) 15:18:26 JdGordon whats the general feeling about changing letters in fonts? 15:21:30 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host117-225-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15:22:27 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:23:47 nls linuxstb: np, it's very easily forgotten... 15:26:05 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 15:26:15 nls B4gder: is there any (good) reason why we can't just tar a regular svn checkout? 15:27:04 JdGordon the .svn folders? 15:27:06 B4gder I guess we can, but we want to exclude some stuff and get a proper name etc 15:27:30 B4gder the script is meant to work for everyone even with builds etc present 15:29:04 nls B4gder: aha, ok, well, it's just a minor annoyance, with it being forgotten, and breaking the tarballs (which almost no-one uses anyway so it often goes undetected for a long time) 15:29:14 B4gder yeah 15:29:16 * nls can not type coherently 15:30:42 Llorean Out of curiosity, with all the problems the tarball seems to crop up here and there, and the fact that a linux-like environment is needed to compile (meaning usually ready access to SVN), why do we have the tarball? Is there a specific reason, or is it a general "keep everyone's options open" kinda thing? 15:31:03 linuxstb I think some people have firewall problems with svn 15:31:20 B4gder yeah, some people can't get it from svn 15:31:36 Llorean Ah, okay 15:31:42 B4gder that's really the only reason I think is valid 15:32:00 Llorean Yeah, that's a good one. 15:32:01 JdGordon B4gder: you have web stats for each file dont you? is the tarball actualy download that often? 15:32:08 linuxstb nls: I wouldn't agree that forgotten FILES changes go undetected for a long time - people seem to quickly appear to complain about build problems. 15:32:21 B4gder I don't have stats for the build.rockbox.org site just yet 15:32:24 Join pearldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 15:32:24 JdGordon ok 15:33:56 nls linuxstb: maybe I haven't been paying attention :-) 15:34:10 linuxstb I've fixed it quite a few times myself in the past.. 15:35:35 * JdGordon is guilty of forgetting that file a few times... 15:37:08 haemmy which compiler is used for compiling the Ipod Video source? 15:37:21 nls haemmy: arm-elf-gcc 15:37:46 nls 4.0.3 iirc or maybe 4.0.4 15:37:54 B4gder and the answer to the next question is tools/rockboxdev.sh ;-) 15:38:18 haemmy hm? 15:38:24 haemmy which question? ^^ 15:38:30 Llorean Usually the next question is "Where do I get arm-elf-gcc" 15:38:57 haemmy ah 15:39:32 haemmy http://www.siwawi.arubi.uni-kl.de/avr_projects/arm_projects/#winarm here? 15:39:46 intgr Use GNUARM. 15:40:21 B4gder I advice against all prebuilt packages except those we provide on rockbox.org 15:41:00 haemmy are there any for win too? 15:41:07 B4gder for cygwin, yes 15:41:13 linuxstb haemmy: You also need more than just gcc to build Rockbox - it requires a unix-like shell environment (bash, Perl, Make etc) 15:41:22 haemmy ok ^^ 15:41:43 haemmy then i put that plan away for a while 15:41:56 haemmy until i have machine with linux running 15:42:08 intgr Cygwin works reasonably well. 15:42:14 B4gder there's also a vmware image 15:42:36 intgr Or coLinux. 15:42:54 haemmy ah was just intersted, but its not so important 15:43:34 B4gder come on, you know only weaklings run prebuilt rockbox binaries! ;-P 15:44:32 * Llorean looks at his players running prebuilt binaries and holds back a sob. 15:44:38 B4gder haha 15:46:14 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:49:02 amiconn JdGordon: Hopefully converting the mentioned debug screen will save a bit. It's not much increase for the new list feature 15:49:29 amiconn Also, this hiding should be used for other readonly lists as well (like the id3 viewer and rockbox info) 15:49:30 JdGordon right, but finding the time to do the conversion isnt easy.... 15:49:34 JdGordon seen as how boring it is :D 15:50:33 pondlife Not as boring as updating the manual's voice section... :( 15:50:47 * JdGordon flatly refuses to work on the manual... 15:51:05 JdGordon although, i think you all rejoice over that :D think of al the typo cmmit that would bring 15:51:15 JdGordon commits* 15:51:18 nls the manual i loads of fun, until latex starts messing with the whitespace, arg! 15:51:19 JdGordon all* 15:52:23 * Llorean has found "building the manual" is one of the things he hasn't yet worked out how to do on Ubuntu 15:53:04 nls Llorean: there is a patch in the tracker that makes it build with dash 15:53:24 nls or you can link SH to bash 15:53:35 Llorean Ah, that's it then? 15:54:06 nls Llorean: well, you need a couple of packages too of course 15:54:24 * ender can't run the prebuilt binaries because they lack some patches :) 15:54:52 Llorean nls: I've got the right packages. 15:54:52 JdGordon amiconn: I just tested the id3 viewer with the selection marker hiden, I dont know if I like it... 15:54:55 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17FF5.dip.t-dialin.net) 15:55:00 Llorean nls: I just didn't realize about the dash thing 15:55:08 Part LinusN 15:55:29 JdGordon besides the fac that there seems to be a bug with moving up and down which only affects multi-line lists 15:55:29 amiconn JdGordon: In fact I don't like the 2-line list item thing, marker hidden or not 15:55:40 JdGordon I agree 15:55:43 JdGordon but they work 15:55:45 JdGordon usually... 15:56:36 nls Llorean: FS #6919 has the patch 15:56:42 JdGordon well... umm... 15:56:51 amiconn They work, but they're confusing 15:56:54 JdGordon they are better than having an entire screen scrolling 15:56:58 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:58:03 JdGordon I tried getting it to only show the first line of items which arent selected once, but failed miserably... 15:58:06 Llorean nls: I think I'll go the other way, I don't like having patches in my tree, for fear of accidentally committing them when I'm just fixing a typo or clarifying a step somewhere 15:58:12 JdGordon don know if that would make them any better though 15:59:10 amiconn Why not just put the info on one line, e.g. in the id3 viewer 15:59:16 amiconn Artist: blah 15:59:22 amiconn Album: blubb 15:59:30 amiconn Instead of using 4 lines... 15:59:50 pondlife I agree - it has to scroll quite often anyway. 15:59:56 B4gder that album is great! 15:59:58 amiconn Might require some horizontal scrolling on small screens... 16:00 16:00:10 JdGordon lots of horizontal scrolling... 16:00:29 * pondlife uses big fonts, so is probably overused to horizontal scrolling 16:01:07 JdGordon even with small fonts, the sansa screen (and nano) issnt wide enough for a mildly long name 16:01:26 pondlife Apropos nothing much, I wish the ID3 viewer just skipped blank fields rather than including them as "No info". 16:01:35 markun B4gder: blubb? 16:01:47 JdGordon pondlife: not so easy though :( 16:01:52 pondlife markun: It's a great album, you should hear it 16:01:54 * linuxstb prefers blah's self-titled debut album 16:02:12 JdGordon is that the one with the blorf single? 16:02:28 pondlife JdGordon: As it is, there's plenty of vertical scrolling involved to use the ID3 viewer... 16:02:56 * JdGordon prefers vertical then horizontal 16:03:13 pondlife Horizontal happens without any button pressing.... 16:03:39 pondlife It's not a biggie, but I'd like to try it the other way maybe.. 16:04:13 * JdGordon prays to the lcd gods for a rotatable lcd driver... 16:04:30 Llorean nls: Know what to do about utf8x.def? I don't recall running into this one when I first set up latex for the old, old vmware image I used to work with 16:05:23 nls Llorean: do you have the latex-ucs package installed? 16:06:06 Quit courtc (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 16:06:42 Llorean nls: Probably not. 16:06:55 Llorean Alright, that fixed it. 16:08:12 Llorean nls: Thanks, that was it. 16:09:55 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b14f7d.dip.t-dialin.net) 16:10:01 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p548487dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16:10:49 markun pondlife: it just took me a while to realise about which 'great album' he was talking :) 16:11:25 Quit voltagex (Remote closed the connection) 16:17:16 Nico_P nls: about the bash/dash thing... why not just call bash directly instead of sh ? 16:17:27 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:17:54 Quit haemmy () 16:18:01 nls Nico_P: I have no idea, haven't had a look at any of the manual build scripts myself 16:18:23 B4gder because it isn't a bash requirement 16:18:29 B4gder it is a non-dash requirement 16:18:52 B4gder I would feel bad to restrict us more than necessary 16:19:16 Nico_P ok I see 16:19:48 B4gder we should all just flame ubuntu and then we'll feel better ;-) 16:19:54 pondlife pixelma: OK, my *final* manual update is now committed... please let ther be no more typos! 16:19:57 Llorean It's an easy fix, and apparently Ubuntu users are likely to run into the same problem with myriad other scripts anyway. 16:20:08 Nico_P B4gder: I'm using kubuntu so no flaming for me :) 16:20:09 B4gder indeed 16:20:12 B4gder haha 16:20:21 B4gder Nico_P: that's not using dash by default then? 16:20:33 Nico_P actually it is 16:20:34 B4gder afaiu, they changed to dash rather recently 16:21:02 Nico_P any idea of the reason for that ? 16:21:33 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:22:45 B4gder Bug #61463 in ubuntu requests a revert => rejected 16:23:27 B4gder basically saying all scripts that break due to this are bad and should be fixed 16:23:30 B4gder not the other way around 16:23:52 Nico_P that's not entirely false 16:24:02 B4gder from their viewpoint, sure 16:24:06 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@84-255-206-8.static.dsl.t-2.net) 16:24:15 B4gder it just depends on what you claim is the right way 16:24:41 Llorean Honestly, you'd expect a stricter distro to do something like that. Isn't Ubuntu's focus on "The user just sees it working, without having to know how or why"? 16:24:44 Nico_P well having scripts that are independant of the shell is always better, isn't it ? 16:24:49 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.149.2) 16:24:50 B4gder it seems they changed because dash is smaller and runs faster 16:25:13 B4gder Nico_P: sure, but in this case I'm not at all sure dash is right 16:25:19 Llorean Scripts exploding at innocent Dell users doesn't seem to be a good way to build up Linux's usability image. 16:25:24 Shaid is dash open source? 16:25:28 B4gder yes 16:25:40 Nico_P So we change dash :D 16:25:48 Shaid :) 16:26:12 Nico_P why correct the script when you can easily correct the shell ! 16:28:38 B4gder yes, that's assuming they agree with you it being a fault in the first place 16:28:55 B4gder I would expect they don't 16:30:17 Join stevemcc [0] (n=steve@ip68-230-180-230.dc.dc.cox.net) 16:30:19 stevemcc hey 16:30:56 B4gder here's some very cool info: 16:31:06 B4gder Until IEEE Std 1003.1 2004 Edition, the spec said that POSIX compliant implementations of the shell "need not" support options. 16:31:16 B4gder It appears that the ash developers decided to *not* support options to echo, while the bash developers decided to *allow* options to echo, for whatever reason. 16:31:30 B4gder The standard was changed in 2004 to specify that echo "shall not" accept options, leaving bash in a state not only of non-compliance, but also with a long list of shell scripts that depended on the echo command being able to accept options. 16:32:00 Quit stevemcc (Client Quit) 16:32:01 Zagor how do you perform echo -n without options? 16:32:17 B4gder "It is not possible to use echo portably across all POSIX systems unless both -n (as the first argument) and escape sequences are omitted." 16:32:30 B4gder that's from the acutal standard text 16:32:41 Zagor very weird decision indeed 16:32:43 B4gder the last quote I mean 16:32:48 B4gder indeed 16:32:58 Nico_P yeah, strange 16:33:07 Nico_P so dash is actually right 16:33:15 Zagor so all shell scripts written in the last, what, 15 years? should be rewritten. yeah, great idea. 16:33:19 Nico_P somebody want to fix the makefile ? 16:33:32 * Nico_P got to go 16:33:40 linuxstb What about using printf instead? 16:34:20 B4gder https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/61463 16:34:31 B4gder contains the heated debate 16:34:54 B4gder printf could work 16:35:09 linuxstb I've just tested, and the problem striing - "\newline" can be displayed with printf "\\\newline" in both dash and bash. 16:35:42 linuxstb (I mean \newcommand) 16:35:44 Zagor yeah printf seems to work in most shells. 16:35:54 Zagor I didn't even know it existed as a shell command :-) 16:35:59 B4gder it's not part of the shell is it? 16:36:10 B4gder it's a separate command 16:36:12 Zagor ah, that's why 16:36:17 Zagor even better 16:36:28 pondlife Blimey, even Cygwin supports it... 16:37:10 Zagor it is built-in in bash though 16:37:19 Zagor (at least according to the man page) 16:37:24 B4gder aha 16:37:58 linuxstb According to the dash manpage, it's optional to build-in printf 16:38:37 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@avc146.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16:38:38 Quit ender (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:40:01 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16:42:52 B4gder http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/printf.html 16:42:54 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:42:59 B4gder printf in POSIX 16:43:45 Join otih_ [0] (n=otih@p54a4ca05.dip.t-dialin.net) 16:44:46 linuxstb I've just added a patch to FS #6919 to use printf - any Ubuntu users around to test it? 16:48:03 Llorean linuxstb: Will in just a minute 16:48:19 linuxstb Thanks 16:49:00 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say MOOO") 16:49:11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16:49:18 Join secleinteer2 [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-221-154.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 16:49:55 Llorean linuxstb: Seems to work, about to skim the pdf 16:50:02 Llorean Wow, dash is quite a bit faster, too 16:51:13 Llorean It didn't copy the .pdf file out of the /manual folder in my build folder, I *think* it used to do that, didn't it? 16:51:26 Join Psilonaut [0] (i=DaPhunka@205.202-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 16:51:44 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 16:51:50 Llorean And I think the error at the end is different from the error at the end I used to get. Heh. 16:52:23 Join himmelstrutz22 [0] (n=torpet@sos3-1x-dhcp470.studby.uio.no) 16:53:18 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-066-057-231-236.nc.res.rr.com) 16:53:54 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b57d00c0e7b8321e) 16:54:01 XavierGr Llorean: can you build html manuals? 16:54:32 himmelstrutz22 does ipod nano 8gb work well with rockbox? 16:54:44 nls himmelstrutz22: it doesn't work at all 16:54:45 GodEater himmelstrutz22: it doesn't work at all 16:54:52 GodEater there's an echo as usual 16:54:53 Llorean XavierGr: What's the command for that? 16:55:07 himmelstrutz22 oh, damn. 16:55:18 himmelstrutz22 will it work in the future? 16:55:29 XavierGr Llorean: make manual-html 16:55:30 Llorean himmelstrutz22: If someone who has one figures out how to get unsigned code running on it. 16:55:38 Llorean XavierGr: Ah, I tried html, and html-manual 16:55:44 XavierGr heh :P 16:55:52 XavierGr yeah I tried that too then looked the makefile 16:55:55 Quit otih (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:56:39 himmelstrutz22 ok. well. could someone please recommend a good +8gb portable player that works well with rockbox? I can't be without ogg vorbis, but one thing that I can be with out is video/photo/big ass display. 16:57:35 GodEater himmelstrutz22: how about looking at the front page of www.rockbox.org, and picking one from the list of supported players there ? 16:57:39 Llorean XavierGr: manual-html seems to work fine 16:57:59 XavierGr interesting 16:58:10 XavierGr do you have texlive or tex4ht installed? 16:58:20 Llorean tex4ht 16:58:25 Quit aliask (Remote closed the connection) 16:58:30 XavierGr yeah that's probably it 16:58:42 himmelstrutz22 godeater: I thinking about asking a human for a direct recommendation.... but of course I could look at the list at the homepage. 16:58:57 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16:59:10 himmelstrutz22 but its a jungle out there, and I would need a machete to get by. 16:59:12 markun himmelstrutz22: maybe one of the iaudios? 16:59:13 XavierGr well i had major problems building html manuals and texlive and/or tex4ht did the job (although it still nags me about a missing file) 16:59:21 GodEater himmelstrutz22: oddly enough, the page at www.rockbox.org was *written* by humans 16:59:30 GodEater amazing I know. 16:59:35 himmelstrutz22 godeater: no way! 16:59:40 Llorean XavierGr: I thought tex4ht was considered 'required' 16:59:42 markun himmelstrutz22: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide 16:59:51 himmelstrutz22 markun: thanks 17:00 17:00:02 XavierGr Llorean: yeah, maybe I didnt know about it until now 17:00:04 GodEater another dusty corner of the wiki I didn't know about there markun ;) 17:00:05 himmelstrutz22 thats what I needed 17:00:14 Join jac0b [0] (n=jac0b@gifn3.fpl.com) 17:00:30 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 17:00:32 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17:00:46 Llorean XavierGr: I just remember that when going through the packages picking what to install, I remember "Right, I need tex4ht" 17:00:58 Llorean So someone apparently said it within my hearing at some point. :) 17:01:06 GodEater linuxstb: I've been trampled in the rush of people responding to the London social meet thread. So where do you want to go for a beer? :) 17:01:17 Llorean linuxstb: Did you see my responses re the patch? 17:01:36 jac0b is there a plan to implement the SD-card function into the sansa build? 17:01:45 XavierGr Llorean: is there a package with all the required packages? because when I was making the VMware enviroment I didn't install that one 17:01:50 linuxstb GodEater: :) I should reply in the forum - try and show it's not just you... 17:01:59 XavierGr (I dont know if it is included in the new image) 17:02:05 Llorean XavierGr: I believe it's tetex-base, tetex-extra, latex-ucs and tex4ht 17:02:06 markun himmelstrutz22: look at the amazing runtime of the M5L 17:02:12 XavierGr Llorean: package = wiki page (sorry) 17:02:20 linuxstb Llorean: Yes, I read the logs. So it seems OK to commit? 17:02:21 Llorean XavierGr: I don't believe there's a wiki page, at least I couldn't find one. 17:02:37 himmelstrutz22 markun: my eyes just dropped. 17:02:45 Llorean linuxstb: As far as I can tell. Works perfectly, cuts the pdf manual build time significantly (using dash rather than bash does, at least). 17:03:01 Nico_P "/bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" 17:03:04 Llorean There's still a few error: 2s at the end of the build, but if I recall that's somewhat normal anyway. The manual itself seems fine. 17:03:20 Nico_P that's what I get when I try to build the manual with the patch 17:03:35 pixelma yes, tex4ht is what's needed fot the html manual and I'm unable to install it manually on cygwin (no prebuilt package available) :\ 17:03:37 Llorean Nico_P: But do you have a manual pdf in the /manual folder? 17:03:43 Nico_P oh yes I do have it 17:03:52 Nico_P rockbox-build.pdf 17:03:56 XavierGr no errors for me with texlive and tex4ht installed (except that I have to press enter once in a while because it nags about a mutlirow file missing) 17:04:12 himmelstrutz22 what's the difference between iAudio M5 and iAudio M5L? just size? 17:04:19 himmelstrutz22 (and prize?) 17:04:23 Llorean Well, I *thought* the errors were normal. It's just as likely I'm wrong. 17:04:34 Llorean himmelstrutz22: M5L has a much larger battery 17:05:05 XavierGr I don't know for sure I will try to search more for it when I come back from work 17:05:17 pixelma himmelstrutz22: the L is for "larger battery" but therefore can only fit a single platter drive - 20GB 17:05:43 GodEater the H1x0 is missing off that page 17:05:53 GodEater I know they're hard to find, but we should include it... 17:05:58 himmelstrutz22 pix/llorean: ok. seem to be the player for me. 40 gb is too much today. thanks! 17:06:20 Join The-Compiler [0] (n=florian@1.26.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17:06:21 Llorean pixelma: Should be upgradeable to 40 these days, and 50 soon, I imagine. 17:06:54 pixelma himmelstrutz22: I could only find a store on ebay.uk (mp3 direct) who sells them 17:07:18 pixelma Llorean: sure, but that's not what they come with 17:07:31 himmelstrutz22 pixelma: oh damn. typical. 17:08:19 pixelma for example the X5L comes in 2 "sizes" 20GB and 30GB 17:09:13 pixelma Llorean: the stock M5L is only available with a 20GB drive 17:09:14 markun himmelstrutz22: a Gigabeat F40 can be found online for around USD 100, but I don't know if it is the right player for you 17:09:31 Quit secleinteer (Connection timed out) 17:09:57 Nick secleinteer2 is now known as secleinteer (n=scl@adsl-70-237-221-154.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 17:09:58 markun it works very well with rockbox, but has no recording or radio 17:10:22 pixelma himmelstrutz22: I bought mine from there, the ship to germany but only accept paypal 17:10:32 markun it is very fast and has a nice screen, but you stated you don't care much for that 17:11:04 pixelma downside: the charger that comes with it has UK plugs 17:12:21 himmelstrutz22 *: I will try something that exists in store today, here in norway! =) my old iriver just got smashed so I need a new one right away! =) 17:13:07 Join bloodskin [0] (i=411831e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-11aa6708836d701b) 17:13:53 bloodskin so rockbox cant play videos that youve transfered with itunes? 17:14:02 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:14:10 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p54848B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17:14:18 bloodskin ive been looking for about 4 hours for some kind of info on it, and have gotten mixed signals 17:14:31 Llorean It cannot. 17:14:33 bloodskin (rockbox for the ipod video that is) 17:14:35 Llorean No official documentation claims it can. 17:14:40 bloodskin ok, thanks 17:14:47 Llorean Where do you feel you're getting mixed signals from, specifically? 17:15:08 bloodskin i read somewhere that there was a plugin but i couldnt find it 17:15:47 Llorean Did you try looking in the manual? 17:15:49 markun bloodskin: there is a video plugin 17:15:55 markun but for a different format 17:16:08 bloodskin avi mpg? 17:16:11 markun bloodskin: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 17:17:52 bloodskin i see. its built in 17:18:13 GodEater wow - someone who gets it straight away! 17:18:39 bloodskin where can i download it? 17:18:39 bloodskin :p 17:18:41 bloodskin jk 17:18:44 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 17:19:17 Quit jac0b ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 17:19:33 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 17:19:44 bloodskin is there any way i can give back to the community? 17:19:54 GodEater paypal ? 17:19:59 bloodskin XD 17:20:00 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF50A4.dip.t-dialin.net) 17:20:16 GodEater usually a heartfelt thank you is well received too :) 17:20:22 markun bloodskin: do you know how to program or write documentation? 17:20:39 bloodskin im leaning visual basic ATM 17:20:59 bloodskin i could build a rockbox mirc script 17:21:22 bloodskin like, have it themed like roxkbox, and have an auto updater 17:21:23 * GodEater suspects it'll be a while before rockbox sports a VB Runtime Engine 17:21:24 desowin ? 17:21:44 desowin bloodskin: I have no idea how you would do this 17:21:45 bloodskin and such 17:22:00 bloodskin easy. themes are easy 17:22:21 bloodskin the updater would just check the DB for the latest build and log the current build you have 17:22:23 * GodEater wonders if he can write a hald rule to autoupdate his DAPs when they get plugged in 17:22:25 Slasheri i hope there will be never anything like basic in rockbox 17:22:53 markun bloodskin: another thing you can do is just use rockbox and report problems or come up with suggestions on how to improve it 17:23:08 bloodskin all ive built in vb so far is a WMP controller that launches a we radio station 17:23:20 bloodskin and has links to the site and a mirc launcher 17:23:35 desowin well, rockbox is coded in c 17:23:41 bloodskin i see 17:23:51 GodEater and assembler 17:23:58 desowin and it's rather impossible to run VB code on music players 17:24:04 markun desowin: I'm sure I'm not the only one who stated with basic 17:24:24 markun learned programming I mean 17:25:06 desowin basic was bundled in 8bit computers 17:25:09 bloodskin have you guys seen the new patent by apple 17:25:21 pondlife Here's a barmy idea... Supposing Rockbox could have a compressor built in... would it be possible to have a realtime expander? If so, would it be able to undo the overcompression of badly mastered music? 17:25:29 bloodskin the one where the scroll wheel is on the screen and the back is a touch screen thing 17:26:05 desowin such patents are crazy 17:26:37 bloodskin it would be cool if they brought it to life 17:26:42 * GodEater started with ZX81 basic 17:26:58 * bloodskin started with mirc scripting. WHUT 17:27:16 * amiconn started the same way as GodEater 17:27:24 * pondlife too 17:27:40 * markun with gwbasic on a 286 17:27:40 pondlife Ah, actually I had access to a Commodore PET about '79... 17:27:53 * linuxstb skipped the zx81 and started with vic-20 basic 17:28:00 pondlife But it was ZX81 that I really coded on. 17:28:00 * GodEater saw a PET once. Never got to use it though. 17:28:27 * GodEater went from ZX81 to an Acorn BBC Model B 17:28:41 * markun feels young :) 17:28:43 * linuxstb couldn't afford a BBC Model B, he only had an Electron 17:29:04 amiconn zx81 basic -> zx spectrum (and KC85) basic (and later asm as well) 17:29:32 pondlife ZX81 -> Spectrum -> BBC B -> IBM AT... 17:29:52 GodEater zx81 -> BBC B -> Atari ST -> 486 17:30:08 himmelstrutz22 would it be stupid to buy a ipod nano 8gb? does it work well with debian/linux? even that it doesn't work with rockbox....... 17:30:10 amiconn Bagder: r u there? 17:30:21 GodEater odd move from spectrum to bbc b there. 17:30:42 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 17:30:44 desowin himmelstrutz22: I would sugest sansa e280, but it's just my opinion 17:30:44 * amiconn moved from spectrum to amiga (500 first, later 4000) 17:31:17 * GodEater got to play with an Archimedes at school 17:31:19 himmelstrutz22 desowin: I've heard those displays get damaged easily.......... 17:31:20 markun himmelstrutz22: "I can't be without ogg vorbis" :) 17:31:21 linuxstb vic-20 -> BBC Electron -> Tatung Einstein -> 8086 PC clone -> Amiga 1200 -> 486 -> ... 17:31:32 himmelstrutz22 markun: well... damn, I need one today! =/ 17:31:45 bloodskin i dont think the new nanos work with anything. they are encrupted like a mo fo 17:32:00 markun can you buy the sansa's in norway? 17:32:08 himmelstrutz22 yes, I believe so. 17:32:20 himmelstrutz22 but I haven't heard anything good about them. 17:32:31 himmelstrutz22 except that rockbox supports it. 17:32:41 markun did you hear bad things about them? 17:33:03 himmelstrutz22 I just read a review, that was very negative. 17:33:07 bloodskin the old nanos are real fragile. drop them once and you get a line thats about 15 pixels going through the middle of your screen 17:33:30 markun himmelstrutz22: do you have a link? 17:33:30 bloodskin my gf did it twice 17:33:40 bloodskin hers and her dads 17:33:50 linuxstb himmelstrutz22: Negative of the software, or negative of the hardware? 17:33:51 himmelstrutz22 do I sell my soul to the devil if I buy a ipod? I have never had one before. 17:34:01 himmelstrutz22 markun: its in swedish, still want it? 17:34:05 markun sure 17:34:16 markun will be good to practice :) 17:34:48 linuxstb himmelstrutz22: If you want to use Rockbox, there are better devices than ipods to run it on. 17:34:50 himmelstrutz22 ........and its only a user review...... well, hold on. 17:35:02 bloodskin wmv is unsupported, correct? 17:35:02 himmelstrutz22 linux: I understand. 17:35:09 desowin himmelstrutz22: no, but if you're not using mac os nor windows, then Apple doesn't care about iPod users 17:35:46 bloodskin desowin, use wine 17:36:07 himmelstrutz22 http://se.pricerunner.com/pu/11-560796/MP3-spelare/SanDisk-Sansa-e270-6GB-Black-anvaendarrecensioner <−−- sansa 17:36:11 desowin iTunes doesn't handle iPod connection under wine 17:36:19 markun himmelstrutz22: maybe the Trekstor Vibez is something to consider for as well 17:36:32 Quit secleinteer ("Don't worry, I'll be back") 17:36:35 bloodskin do you need to transfer stuff? if so use winamp 17:36:40 bloodskin or something 17:36:47 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-221-154.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 17:36:59 bloodskin there has to be a way to use your ipod with linux 17:37:12 desowin yes, there is 17:37:31 desowin but IMO Apple should care about it, and not hope to someone reverse engineer their iTunesDB 17:37:31 himmelstrutz22 markun: does it work with rockbox then? 17:37:48 bloodskin valid point 17:37:56 markun no, but these guys seem to love it: http://dapreview.net/news.php 17:38:06 markun and it supports ogg vorbis 17:38:18 bloodskin wmv is unsupported, correct? 17:38:40 markun bloodskin: unsupported by what? 17:39:02 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 17:39:12 bloodskin rockbox 17:39:20 bloodskin for the ipod video 17:39:21 markun bloodskin: rockbox only has the mpegplayer, but you can transcode your wmv files 17:39:43 bloodskin i read somewhere that it has an avi player too 17:39:44 bloodskin i think 17:39:52 markun great, but it's not true 17:40:05 himmelstrutz22 bah. god. I think I will drop these mp3players....... for some days. there's just too many to choose from. I will go back to my old 80's cassette portable! that's real freedome. no firmware at all. 17:40:25 markun although we could pretty easy support avi playback, as long as it contains mpeg2 with mp3 17:41:26 amiconn mpeg1 too, and mp1/mp2 audio 17:42:19 Join webguest89 [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e56276e95bdf83cf) 17:42:27 Quit webguest89 (Client Quit) 17:42:43 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a554fcfcaac9276c) 17:42:53 bloodskin where the hell is my mechanic? 17:43:07 bloodskin he was supposed to be here 2 hours ago 17:43:49 Quit himmelstrutz22 ("Lämnar") 17:45:28 markun bloodskin: with "avi player" you mean one which supports the xvid/divx codecs I assume? 17:46:37 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 17:47:45 bloodskin i guess. it just said avi/mpg playback 17:48:08 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-3f4632e10a318dbb) 17:49:33 Join Faemir [0] (n=daniel@85-211-222-38.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 17:50:07 Quit bloodskin ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17:50:18 Join bloodskin [0] (i=411831e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-330d704af7eba106) 17:50:26 bloodskin oops 17:50:48 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 17:51:00 bloodskin i should have uploaded my mirc to my site 17:51:43 Quit bloodskin (Client Quit) 17:52:09 Join zanexx297 [0] (n=zanexx29@196.31.153.50) 17:53:53 Join steaD [0] (n=stead@82.69.201.206) 17:56:36 Nick steaD is now known as p_stead (n=stead@82.69.201.206) 17:56:54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:59:49 Part TrueJournals 18:00 18:00:10 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC") 18:00:38 Join mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 18:03:16 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p54848B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18:05:08 Quit blithe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:05:11 Quit paul_stead (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:06:05 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.189.220) 18:07:54 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) 18:11:55 Quit datachild (Remote closed the connection) 18:15:36 Part zanexx297 18:15:36 Join zanexx297 [0] (n=zanexx29@196.31.153.50) 18:21:22 pixelma hmm... there is a bugreport about not being able to restart chessbox on X5 with a button press (it's right, the chosen button combos doesn't work) - but now one can restart through the new menu which has the restart option. I asked the reported if that'll do for him or whether he still wants to be able to restart with a button press but got no response. Does anyone have an opinion about it? 18:22:15 pixelma *reporter too 18:23:00 petur I'd close it as fixed with the note on how to restart... 18:23:35 mpeccorini petur: this morning? it was open last night 18:24:00 * petur re-reads what he wrote 18:24:41 * pixelma doesn't understand too 18:25:20 mpeccorini petur: I think this is another bug report 18:25:29 mpeccorini FS #7116 18:25:29 petur s/I'd/I would 18:25:55 Quit Faemir (Remote closed the connection) 18:25:58 mpeccorini ohh, sorry, I'm still learning english :p 18:26:39 pixelma ok.. have to look into a correction of the manual then :) 18:26:52 mpeccorini pixelma: as I told you yesterday, I would even take the key mapping away from other targets 18:27:08 mpeccorini it does happen that you restart the game by accident 18:27:21 mpeccorini and as you can imagine, that can be pretty annoying 18:29:01 pixelma yeah, I know. Any news on the other patch (regarding non-RTC targets)? 18:32:03 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:32:57 mpeccorini I have it done in a couple minutes 18:33:09 mpeccorini s/I/I'll :p 18:37:00 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 18:44:34 Quit zanexx297 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 18:49:14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18:50:23 mpeccorini pixelma: are you around? 18:50:45 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 18:52:27 pixelma yes 18:53:11 mpeccorini are you going to change the manual so the key mapping is not shown in X5/M5? 18:53:19 mpeccorini I have a patch for the manual too :p 18:53:33 mpeccorini please let me know if you change it so I sync the patch 18:54:05 mpeccorini I posted the fix for non-RTC targets BTW 18:54:14 mpeccorini thanks for pointing that out 18:58:09 mpeccorini BRB 19:00 19:00:16 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15D05.dip.t-dialin.net) 19:08:04 Join himmelstrutz22 [0] (n=torpet@sos3-1x-dhcp470.studby.uio.no) 19:10:45 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:11:22 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 19:15:52 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host97-207-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19:18:51 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:19:45 Part kaaloo 19:23:00 Join david1 [0] (n=david52@84.72.254.113) 19:28:07 Part david1 19:33:11 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul) 19:35:59 Join Gursikh [0] (n=Gursikh@tremulous/officialdevannoyer/khalsa) 19:36:30 Quit himmelstrutz22 ("Lämnar") 19:36:43 Part Gursikh ("Leaving") 19:45:22 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54bf6790.dip.t-dialin.net) 19:54:29 * amiconn wonders how the license libffmpegflac, libmusepack, libspeex, libwavpack and tremor are under is called. Same for the license of libalac 19:54:48 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19:55:56 petur regarding licenses: according to ohloh.net we are not 100% GPL ( http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978/analyses/latest ) 19:56:25 petur 1 file LGPL and 38 BSD 19:57:30 amiconn sure 19:57:39 amiconn In fact these numbers can't be correct 19:57:48 x1jmp which targets would be affected by the configurable REC-Button? 19:58:26 amiconn There is more than one LGPL file, since the ffmpeg flac code is all lgpl 19:58:31 Llorean x1jmp: H1xx, H3xx, Sansa e200, I believe 20:00 20:00:02 x1jmp and how can I check with pluginlib_actions if this button was pressed? 20:02:20 Part rift_ 20:02:44 x1jmp or what would be a good solution to access buttons that aren't available on all targets with the action system? 20:03:48 Part TrueJournals 20:04:20 Join rift [0] (n=heroes@125.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) 20:05:23 Quit printfXh4 (No route to host) 20:06:02 Quit lids (Remote closed the connection) 20:07:37 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20:07:44 Part TrueJournals 20:08:51 Quit gromit ("Coyote finally caught me") 20:09:31 Quit petur ("work->home") 20:11:09 Join zanexx297 [0] (n=zanexx29@196.31.153.50) 20:12:44 zanexx297 Hey guys, just downloaded Rockbox about 3 hours ago.Im using an iPod 80GB 5.5G,I downloaded the latest build.The problem is that it is now frozen and doesn't respond to anything I do 20:14:51 zanexx297 I just wanted to report this,and ask for help as I've even tried plugging it back into my PC to regain control,and that didn't even work 20:15:42 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 20:16:39 zanexx297 I'll be right back 20:16:43 Quit zanexx297 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 20:17:17 Join Siltaar [0] (n=Siltaar@reverse-52.fdn.fr) 20:19:22 Join zanexx297 [0] (n=zanexx29@196.31.153.50) 20:19:54 Part zanexx297 20:20:02 Join zanexx297 [0] (n=zanexx29@196.31.153.50) 20:20:10 zanexx297 I'm back 20:22:36 zanexx297 Guys any suggestions on how to get control of my iPod back? 20:23:35 zanexx297 Ummmm, is anyone listening (or should I say reading)? 20:26:16 x1jmp I don't own an Ipod but you might find an answer there http://www.google.de/search?q=ipod+reset+button 20:27:38 zanexx297 Thanks man but the normal reset button doesnt work if you load rockbox,I know this because ive already tried 20:28:15 Llorean Menu+Select works pretty much no matter what. 20:30:03 zanexx297 Llorean normally you would be right but at the moment its not working, looks like im gonna have to wait till it runs flat! :( 20:30:28 Llorean zanexx297: Have you tried the official method of doing it? 20:30:37 Llorean Turning hold on, then off, then holding them down for ~15 seconds? 20:32:42 zanexx297 nope, doesnt work.Not even plugging it into pc changes its state 20:33:21 Llorean Plugging into a PC can't change its state if it's frozen. 20:33:30 zanexx297 :-/ 20:33:32 Llorean But Rockbox can't prevent the reset combination from working, the real one. 20:33:39 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 20:33:45 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20:33:51 Llorean Which means odds are you're not doing it right, often your fingers wiggling a little bit (enough to cause a scroll) can prevent it from working. 20:34:13 zanexx297 i just dropped it and it works again(i dropped it :( it works :) ) 20:34:40 Llorean Well that suggests it was a hardware thing that was wrong with it, then. 20:35:16 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 20:36:21 Part maffe 20:37:13 zanexx297 btw i have reset it many times before and i know how to do it, but thanks anyway 20:39:09 Llorean Many people have said that in here, but then upon trying it a few more times, find it works. So I have to say that. 20:39:40 Llorean Most people don't even know that you *have* to do the hold on/off thing for it to work properly, because most times just holding Menu+Select will do t. 20:40:24 zanexx297 i know they hold thing i mean it does stand in your ipod manuel and iv had my pod since christmas 20:40:33 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20:40:34 zanexx297 anyway man thanks so much for the help 20:40:39 zanexx297 i gotta run now 20:40:57 Part zanexx297 20:43:13 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.144.124) 20:44:01 mpeccorini guys: is there a "complete" implementation for 20:44:05 mpeccorini arg... 20:44:17 mpeccorini ... implementation of malloc for plugins? 20:44:53 mpeccorini I'm using a couple simple functions borrowed from dict.c, but it doesn't have the means to deallocate memory 20:49:18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20:51:51 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20:52:43 Join [1]mpeccorini [0] (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 20:53:06 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m60.net81-64-221.noos.fr) 20:55:19 Quit mpeccorini (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:55:20 Nick [1]mpeccorini is now known as mpeccorini (n=mpeccori@mail1.theargusgroup.us) 20:56:28 Nico_P mpeccorini: I think doom has a malloc 20:56:41 mpeccorini ok, thanks, I'll take a look at it 20:57:34 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:57:34 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20:58:29 pixelma but doom doesn't run on all targets - in opposite to chessbox, don't know if that's important... 20:59:19 * mpeccorini needs to remember to take other targets into account all the time 20:59:52 Nico_P pixelma: the malloc code probably works on all targets 21:00 21:00:06 Nico_P mpeccorini: are you sure you need a malloc though ? 21:00:19 mpeccorini well 21:00:29 mpeccorini yes, I think I do 21:00:37 mpeccorini I use it for two purposes 21:01:09 mpeccorini 1. Load the list of games from a file. A single file can have between 1 and a couple thousand games 21:01:39 mpeccorini 2. Keep the history of a match. A match can have between 8 or 10 and almost 100 moves 21:02:27 Part Llorean 21:02:48 mpeccorini the list of games is used when running as a viewer so it's not needed if you're playing against the chess engine 21:03:18 mpeccorini the chess engine on it's side, has a table of moves where it analyzes what move it should do 21:03:40 pixelma just so you can imagine it a bit better... chessbox (in its current state) needs a bit more memory, so that it only works on the Archos targets when music is stopped... 21:03:56 mpeccorini if I make the list of games an array I would be limiting the memory it can use to analyze moves and it could play poorly 21:04:22 Nico_P ok I see 21:04:38 mpeccorini pixelma: to be honest, I think I could fix that 21:05:06 mpeccorini the guy who wrote the plugin made the table I mentioned a fixed array because there was no malloc 21:05:42 Quit Buschel () 21:06:08 Join sexten [0] (n=sexten@130.84-48-160.nextgentel.com) 21:06:11 Join johnzorn [0] (n=jz@modemcable163.130-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) 21:07:06 sexten hello. I was just wondering if there is any way to get Rockbox to use the iTunes-ratings? (I know the ratins is stored in a separate database-file). 21:07:11 johnzorn hi, is there an easy way to find out if my ipod video is the normal one or the 64mb one? 21:08:12 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB3CB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21:09:14 DerPapst sexten: rockbox doesn't support the iTunesDB file 21:09:41 DerPapst johnzorn: 60GB and 80GB ipods have 64MB ram 21:09:56 johnzorn ok thanks 21:10:23 DerPapst btw.. do we already know for sure if the 5.5G 30GB iPod has 32MB or 64MB? 21:10:29 sexten yeah, but is there no way to convert the iTunesDB-file to something Rockbox can read as "score"? 21:11:15 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 21:11:36 sexten and where is the Rockbox-ratings/scores stored? 21:11:41 DerPapst sexten: not unless you write it. here is a good documentation of the iTUnesDB file http://www.ipodlinux.org/ITunesDB (when the server is up again) 21:11:50 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 21:12:06 DerPapst or you wait long enough 21:12:14 sexten if I had the time/knowledge I would give it a try at least:) but I'm no expert at computers/databases:( 21:13:09 DerPapst rockbox is using its own database format. don't know where the rating is saved 21:13:22 The-Compiler I've an idea with the image-tags in iCatcher: You can include this "button" where the codec is displayed in the backdrop, and can display the codec as text. 21:13:42 sexten DerPapst: ok. thanks for your help:) I guess this matter have been discussed before? 21:13:45 The-Compiler by the way: what's the difference beetween iCatcher and UniCatcher? 21:15:08 DerPapst sexten: not that i know of (but i'm not often here though) 21:15:32 sexten oh, ok. guess it's just me that is SO dependant of the rating-system, hehe 21:16:06 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 21:16:47 Join maffe [0] (n=maffe@barmen.interhost.no) 21:18:17 Quit Psilonaut (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:18:24 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 21:21:33 sexten DerPapst: do you know if iPodLinux have some kind of support for the iTunes rating system? 21:22:47 DerPapst sexten: look what i'Ve found :-D http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache 21:23:01 DerPapst dunno if it's that what you want tough 21:23:44 DerPapst no. afaik podzilla0 doesn't care about ratings. but i can be wrong. 21:24:09 sexten yeah I've seen that one but I doubt it includes ratings, but I will give it a shot. thank you:) 21:26:21 sexten heh, my DB-file is 16MB 21:33:26 sexten yeah, it doesn't convert the ratings 21:36:55 sexten I found an iTunes Rating Importer script for Amarok though 21:37:13 Quit Rondom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:37:24 XavierGr what would you suggest for Rockbox compiling usage, debian stable or unstable? 21:37:58 Llorean I think Stable had problems because of the age of some of the tools. 21:38:49 amiconn stable should be okay now (since March) 21:39:01 amiconn But I would use testing for normal purposes 21:39:06 Join lids [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-0456a81af75fc081) 21:39:08 XavierGr well stable was a problem at the time I picked it 21:39:13 XavierGr but then I didn't know about it 21:39:14 amiconn If you want cutting edge, use unstable 21:41:25 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m60.net81-64-221.noos.fr) 21:41:27 amiconn But then be prepared to run into some version and dependency conflicts every now and then 21:41:55 * amiconn runs unstable on amd64, and testing on all x86 installations 21:42:52 Quit The-Compiler (Remote closed the connection) 21:43:36 Quit x1jmp (Remote closed the connection) 21:43:46 Quit sexten () 21:46:18 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 21:50:31 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21:52:29 Join Llorean [0] (n=llorean@cpe-70-113-91-140.austin.res.rr.com) 21:58:39 Quit mpeccorini (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC") 22:00 22:10:40 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57a94e20.dip.t-dialin.net) 22:14:32 Part TrueJournals 22:17:01 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22:21:46 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") 22:33:13 Quit Xerion (" ") 22:37:16 Join Uffish [0] (n=uffish@84.228.83.13) 22:38:02 Uffish Hey. I updated my rockbox recently and some WPSs stopped working (I'm getting the default WPS instead). I also heard something about a "new WPS parser". Where can I find out more about that? 22:38:20 Join Flaffl21|Matt [0] (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) 22:38:25 Flaffl21|Matt Hai guyz 22:38:32 Flaffl21|Matt Well, I have a Zune, and i put rockbox on it 22:38:37 Flaffl21|Matt now it is truly fucked up 22:39:05 * petur falls off his chair 22:39:19 petur you should have put zune-linux on it 22:39:25 Flaffl21|Matt GIZE 22:39:30 Flaffl21|Matt I CRIED WHEN THIS HAPPENED 22:39:33 petur rockbox doesn't work on zune 22:39:33 Flaffl21|Matt MY ZUNE IS RUINED 22:39:44 Flaffl21|Matt WHICH I GOT OFF OF EBAY FOR 500$ 22:39:54 Flaffl21|Matt off of ebay! 22:39:54 petur stop shouting 22:39:57 Flaffl21|Matt last week! 22:40:02 Flaffl21|Matt i'm crying 22:40:04 Flaffl21|Matt not shouting 22:40:08 Flaffl21|Matt you don't even understand me 22:40:23 petur yes, but you screwed up, not we 22:40:26 Flaffl21|Matt yes you did 22:40:29 Flaffl21|Matt peTOUR 22:40:30 Flaffl21|Matt HELP ME 22:40:36 Flaffl21|Matt my life is ruined 22:40:39 Flaffl21|Matt thanks to your assholeness 22:40:43 petur we do not support zune at all 22:40:49 Flaffl21|Matt y 22:40:50 Flaffl21|Matt y 22:41:05 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22:41:07 Flaffl21|Matt well i dont support your family 22:41:12 Flaffl21|Matt in darfur 22:41:30 * petur summons channel op with big boot 22:41:39 Nick Flaffl21|Matt is now known as HelpMeMyZuneRuin (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) 22:41:49 HelpMeMyZuneRuin hai gize 22:41:55 HelpMeMyZuneRuin help me with my zune 22:42:01 HelpMeMyZuneRuin I put rockbox on it 22:42:04 HelpMeMyZuneRuin as i told you earlier 22:42:14 HelpMeMyZuneRuin and the thing just gets stuck at the apple logo 22:42:26 Uffish Matt, the guy just said they don't support Zune. What are you asking for? 22:42:28 petur zune has no apple logo 22:42:33 HelpMeMyZuneRuin yes it does 22:42:37 HelpMeMyZuneRuin are you blind 22:42:40 pixelma amiconn, scorche? 22:42:40 HelpMeMyZuneRuin you fuck 22:42:44 HelpMeMyZuneRuin you miserable piece of living fuck 22:42:48 HelpMeMyZuneRuin go get some lasik surgery 22:42:53 HelpMeMyZuneRuin for your fuck existence of eyes 22:43:00 HelpMeMyZuneRuin ps <3 22:43:03 HelpMeMyZuneRuin jaykay 22:43:19 HelpMeMyZuneRuin petour can i cut your medula oblongata 22:43:20 HelpMeMyZuneRuin please 22:43:29 Nick HelpMeMyZuneRuin is now known as petour (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) 22:43:33 petour kay 22:43:35 petour hi gize 22:43:43 petour zune has no apple logo and i take everything as serious shit 22:43:49 petour wow zune zunezune no help4u 22:43:51 petour y 22:43:51 petour idk 22:44:10 * petour slaps petour around a bit with a large trout 22:44:11 petur Bagder? 22:44:11 petour k petur 22:44:16 petour y ur haxin ma naem 22:44:21 * petour slaps petour around a bit with a large trout 22:44:28 Nick petour is now known as puter (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) 22:44:29 puter wut 22:44:32 Uffish So, nobody knows anything about the supposedly new WPS parser which makes some WPSs stop working? 22:44:41 Nick puter is now known as Offish (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) 22:44:42 Offish i r gay 22:45:01 Nick Offish is now known as pewter (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) 22:45:05 pewter o 22:45:06 petur Uffish: did you see if the wps has been updated in the wiki? 22:45:08 pewter theres a pewter city 22:45:14 Mode "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22:45:17 pewter pyoodur siddy 22:45:19 petur ah 22:45:19 Llorean Uffish: It doesn't make them stop working. They were broken beforehand, just in more subtle ways. Now they have to be syntactically correct. 22:45:35 Nick pewter is now known as LIorean (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) 22:45:37 LIorean i have no life 22:45:38 Llorean Uffish: All you need to do to fix them is visit the CustomWPS wiki page, and figure out where the errors are in the WPSes that don't work. 22:45:43 Uffish Liorean: what changed? what should I look for? I don't mind fixing it myself but there's no documentation. 22:45:45 LIorean i wish i had friends 22:45:46 LIorean and a girlfriend 22:45:50 LIorean to talk about rockbox with 22:45:54 LIorean and a weiner i could see 22:46:00 LIorean b& 22:46:01 Mode "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22:46:03 LIorean yay 22:46:09 LIorean WHICH ONE IS IT 22:46:10 LIorean CAN YOU DO IT 22:46:14 LIorean CAN YOU FACE THE TEST OF LIFE 22:46:19 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net " by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22:46:27 Kick (#rockbox LIorean :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder 22:46:38 Uffish DIAF, asshole. 22:46:47 Uffish damn that guy was annoying. 22:47:06 Mode "#rockbox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 22:47:20 Mode "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22:47:30 * petur thanks Bagder 22:48:02 Uffish LIorean: can you describe the changes? the CustomWPS page hasn't changed in years and it seems my WPS is syntactically correct. I'm using EscapePod-AA btw, if that helps anyone. 22:48:31 * pixelma thanks teamwork ;) 22:48:36 petur desowin: around? 22:48:43 desowin yes 22:49:20 Llorean Uffish: The ONLY changes were instead of ignoring bad WPSes, it doesn't load them. 22:49:21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22:49:25 petur that qtscrob patch you gave me is bad, I had to remove it again to be able to scrobble more than 10 tracks 22:49:25 Llorean Uffish: The syntax itself didn't change. 22:49:46 Llorean Uffish: The most common are conditionals that haven't been closed with a > 22:49:50 desowin petur: thanks 22:50:06 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c8de0b9f8a2c74c0) 22:50:16 pixelma Uffish: most of the times it's unclosed conditionals or | that are used as characters which have to be escaped now - also album art tags make it fail on non album art builds 22:50:26 zylche Guys, .aac files should be able to play in rockbox, right? 22:50:48 petur zylche: yes 22:51:00 Uffish Llorean/pixelma: thanks. My build has album art since other album art WPSs work, but I'll check the conditionals and the pipes. 22:51:03 zylche I've been trying some, but they don't seem to work 22:51:14 Uffish So the loading of the default WPS is by design now? 22:51:20 Llorean zylche: How were they created? 22:51:37 Llorean Uffish: If the WPS is invalid, it falls back to the default rather than displaying a possibly broken WPS, yes. 22:51:38 zylche Wouldn't know, I'll try and get the codec info 22:52:01 Uffish Llorean: thanks. now if only there was a WPS syntax highlighter... :) 22:52:40 petur isn't there a wps parser debug option? 22:52:43 saratoga zylche: .aac is a raw aac stream 22:52:51 saratoga i don't know if rockbox can parse those 22:52:57 saratoga they're not commonly used 22:53:05 Llorean petur: With the UI sim, yes, you can have it give debug output 22:53:16 Llorean I think you can also compile a standalone WPS verifier now, maybe? 22:53:18 zylche Ahh, *looks up a way to mass convert* 22:53:32 pixelma Uffish: if you are able to run a sim, you can start it with the −−debugwps flag (IIRC) and it'll give you some debug info 22:53:40 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22:53:42 saratoga zylche: I believe foobar can put them into mp4 22:53:53 saratoga if not, try some other mepg4 utility like mp4box or whatever 22:53:54 zylche foobar2000? 22:53:57 saratoga yes 22:54:05 zylche Arr, thar be a problem there. Linux 22:54:47 saratoga either use wine, or one of the open source mp4 utilties then 22:57:56 jgarvey I'm running an Archos Fm Recorder, that frequent (1-3 times per day), locks up. It's running the June 06, 2007 build. The error message that is reported is that it can't access the playlist. I can hear disk retrys. Going into the menus and trying to look at the files will also fail after the error. Powering down, and then up again, and it all works fine. It seems to happen independently of the battery level. Any ideas what's happenin 22:57:56 jgarvey g? 22:58:24 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22:59:39 amiconn jgarvey: Either one of the 2 battery cells doesn't have proper contact anymore (common problem on fmrs afaik), or the disk is going bad 23:00 23:01:01 jgarvey amiconn: I loaded rockbox immediately after getting it. I've replaced the battery (and wouldn't the battery monitor indicate something), and it's been this way since I got it. 23:01:07 Nico_P Uffish: ther\$ 23:01:11 Nico_P oops 23:01:20 Nico_P Uffish, Llorean: there is a tool to check the WPS 23:01:22 amiconn No, the battery monitor wouldn't show it 23:01:30 amiconn The 2 cells are connected in parallel 23:01:43 Uffish Nico_P: where/what? 23:01:45 amiconn If one doesn't have proper contact, 2 things happen 23:01:52 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-168-210.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 23:02:11 Nico_P zylche: there are several programs that can create an MP4 from your AAC file : MP4Box and mpeg4ip are the first that come to my mind 23:02:14 amiconn (1) runtime is reduced to about 50% of the usual value - but only if the contact problem is permanent 23:02:27 DerPapst damn 23:02:35 * DerPapst has missed all the fun :-D 23:02:40 Nico_P Uffish: you can use the sim as pixelma said, or you can build the checkwps program that's in the tools dir of the source 23:03:18 jgarvey amiconn: I've been running it about 10 hours so far today, and the battery monitor is at 45 right now. 23:03:28 amiconn (2) Since one cell has to power the whole thing, voltage might be unstable during high power requirements (i.e. disk spinup), which might cause effects like the one you observed 23:03:36 Uffish Nico_P: thanks, but I'm trying to solve this without getting the source (plain lazy). The sim won't work since this is an album art build. I'm also on linux if that matters. 23:03:46 Uffish I'll just check it by hand I guess. 23:03:51 amiconn Hmm 23:04:00 Nico_P Uffish: you can send it to me if you want 23:04:08 zylche Checking dir2ogg and soundkonverter currently 23:04:22 amiconn 10 hours doesn't sound like one cell is permanently disconnected. Note that I don't have an fmr myself so I can't tell for sure 23:04:34 amiconn What's the hdd type? 23:04:35 Nico_P Uffish: also what you can do is comment out the AA tags and try your WPS in the sim 23:04:43 Uffish oh, good idea. 23:05:05 Uffish but then I'd have to comment out any scrolling margins and the like... and it's possible the problem is there. 23:05:10 jgarvey amiconn: It's 20GB, but I have no idea about further details.... is there a way to get it from the rockbox menus? 23:05:12 amiconn (Info->Debug-View disk info) 23:05:29 Uffish Anyway, how hard can it be? It's half a screen of code, I've dealt with worse things :) 23:05:37 * amiconn somehow expects Hitachi 23:05:43 Nico_P Uffish: oh yes if there are scrolling margins too then it might be harder to find the problem... you'd need a sim with those patches 23:06:09 Uffish I doubt I can get one for linux and I don't want to build anything from source. I'll do it manually. 23:06:22 Nico_P Uffish: look for spaces in conditionals, like "%?it <" 23:06:34 Nico_P or unclosed conditionals 23:06:41 Uffish yeah, I got that tip before :) 23:07:10 Uffish spaces are allowed INSIDE conditionals though, right? Like %it< look! a space! |noSpaceOnThisOne> 23:07:17 jgarvey amiconn: my disk is a Hitachi DK23DA-20 23:07:43 Nico_P Uffish: yes. it's just that the syntax must be respected to the letter 23:07:43 amiconn Exactly the type I expected 23:08:04 amiconn The Hitachi DK23DA series is a known problematic one 23:08:05 Nico_P I know the new parser can be a bit annoying because it's very strict, but it's for the better 23:08:25 jgarvey amiconn: problematic how? 23:08:46 * jgarvey thinks duh it gliches 23:08:54 zylche rockbox /can/ play ogg, right? [triple-checking] 23:08:58 Uffish yup 23:09:13 amiconn If something isn't perfect, like voltage fluctuating a bit much, this disk simply stops responding 23:09:24 Uffish (woohoo! I'm also answering questions! this is like so web2.0 and shit!) 23:09:33 amiconn ...unlike others, which just wait until conditions are okay, and then continue 23:10:00 jgarvey amiconn: ok, that sounds right. 23:10:12 Nico_P zylche: but I think you should try muxing your aac in an mp4... no transcoding is always a much better option 23:10:25 amiconn Rockbox retries the request in this case, but sometimes the disk simply doesn't want to talk to rockbox again at all 23:10:52 Uffish (some disks are such assholes) 23:10:58 saratoga I'm just wondernig where the heck someone gets raw aac streams from 23:11:35 Uffish I'm off. Thankyou to everybody who helped me, and goodbye. 23:11:36 jgarvey amiconn: so the solution would be a new disk... two questions: Recomended replacement disk? and How do I format the new disk (vfat?) to put for the new system? 23:11:44 amiconn jgarvey: If everything else is okay (like batteries + battery contacts), your only option to make your fmr behave would be to change the hdd 23:11:47 Part Uffish 23:12:21 amiconn You need a standard 2.5" notebook hdd (standard 44-pin parallel ata, not sata) 23:13:30 Quit davina_ (Remote closed the connection) 23:14:08 amiconn You can put up to 120GB in with standard rockbox. For larger ones you either can't use everything above 128GB (or 136GB as the hdd manufacturers calculate), or need to build rockbox yourself and then use the rest of the disk as a second partition with some trickery 23:14:43 jgarvey amiconn: 40 GB would probably hold all the music I own. 23:14:45 chrisjs169 i know there's a patch for album art and all, but is there one for 'integrated' album art (integrated into the music file) 23:15:16 amiconn Formatting up to 32GB can be done with any system. Partitions larger than that can't be formatted as fat32 with windows xp, so you need a different method. There are several. 23:15:30 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54b150d0.dip.t-dialin.net) 23:15:58 amiconn (1) Use win 2K or win 98 (needs drivers). (2) Use a tool on win xp like swissknife or h2format 23:16:06 amiconn (3) use linux 23:16:10 jgarvey amiconn: I a linux bigot 23:16:19 zylche Yay, it's converting! 23:16:26 * jgarvey can't type straight today 23:16:28 zylche 8th time lucky 23:17:37 jgarvey amiconn: So, get a nice 40GB 2.5" ata drive, format on linux with fat32, copy what's on the existing drive over, and swap drives, right? 23:17:58 amiconn yes 23:18:09 amiconn You can even format it in the recorder 23:18:28 chrisjs169 am i getting confused, or did the devs find a way to get sdhc to work with the Sansa? 23:19:13 Bagder is sdhc even for microsd? 23:19:18 saratoga chrisjs169: my understanding is that no SDHC microsd cards are available at the moment, but that it might be possible 23:19:28 amiconn It's just a protocol thing 23:19:44 chrisjs169 ok 23:19:50 Join sticky-note [0] (i=5382f95a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ccf13bb6ca9eb635) 23:19:54 Bagder yes, but why ask about it if there are no card 23:19:56 Bagder s 23:20:06 amiconn I would expect that it's possible to support sdhc, but I don't know whether our driver already does that 23:20:10 sticky-note hello you all 23:20:14 Llorean saratoga: I've seen pictures of what are supposedly MicroSDHC cards, as in "These aren't on sale yet but coming soon" pictures. 23:20:28 Llorean With all the usual Sandisk paint on them 23:20:29 amiconn hrrrm 23:20:31 jgarvey amiconn: Ok, backup the files on my Archos to my laptop, swap in a nice 40 GB drive, format the drive as fat32, restore my files, right? 23:20:52 amiconn 8GB MMCs are supposed to be coming soon for almost a year now :( 23:21:21 jgarvey amiconn: So the assumption here is that the archos flash provides USB access. 23:21:25 amiconn jgarvey: Yes. This way you don't need extra adapters or such 23:21:51 amiconn The archos flash does provide usb access. YOu can also run rockbox from flash if you want 23:22:06 amiconn (which also provides usb access of course) 23:22:09 sticky-note i have a q: can rocketbox support multilanguage? 23:22:23 jgarvey amiconn: very cool. One last question. You've avoided suggesting a drive. How do a avoid buying a drive with a gotcha like my Hitachi? 23:22:26 Bagder sticky-note: what's multilanguage? 23:22:34 jgarvey amiconn: is there a list somewhere? 23:22:55 amiconn The Hitachi DK23DA is the only known bad series 23:23:05 jgarvey amiconn: ah that makes it simple. 23:23:07 sticky-note i mean that i can see ID3 in other language than english 23:23:18 amiconn I have such a thing lying around here (from my Studio 10) 23:23:23 Bagder sticky-note: yes you can 23:23:30 sticky-note like hebrew or arabic or cerilic atc 23:23:38 jgarvey amiconn: thank you very much! 23:23:42 sticky-note how can it be 23:24:00 sticky-note i need to download rocketbox in my language? 23:24:10 Bagder sticky-note: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide 23:24:16 sticky-note 10x 23:24:23 sticky-note and one more thing 23:24:44 saratoga is there some elegant way to see if adding 2 integers will overflow short of doing it at a higher precision and checking the result? 23:25:17 sticky-note rocketbox doesnt fuck the original system of my mp3 player>? 23:25:31 Quit sticky-note ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23:25:39 Llorean Rockbox isn't in the habit of having carnal relations with anything. 23:25:50 Llorean But yes, properly installed, it's reversible. 23:27:05 Bagder saratoga: in assembly you often get a condition flag set when operations "overflow", but in plain C I can't think of a quick and easy way 23:27:50 * amiconn finally notices saratoga around 23:28:17 amiconn saratoga: If you change the fixedpoint format to 17.15, what would be the impact on final output? 23:28:24 Llorean Couldn't you just compare the result to either of the two values added together, and see if it's less than them? (I don't know anything about this sort of operation, I'm applying untested logic) 23:28:40 amiconn The final output is used as 16 bit samples, isn't it? 23:28:43 Join sticky-note [0] (i=5382f95a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-413ba1936e96767f) 23:28:55 saratoga amiconn: I put it back afterwards 23:29:09 sticky-note hey you all again 23:29:23 saratoga so the output gets converted after the imdct, but it didn't work too well anyway 23:29:34 sticky-note i have another q: is the rocketbox rehearsable? 23:29:43 saratoga fixed some of the problems, but I still got half of the problem samples or so overflowing 23:29:49 amiconn The important thing with fixedpoint conversions is, as I understand it, to use the precision you need, which isn't always the possible maximum 23:30:31 amiconn So if 17.15 (or 18.14) yields sufficient precision, why use more? 23:30:39 saratoga yes, i think the real problem is that the decoder isn't makeing use of precision correctly, because the fp version never exceeds 2^15 for any sample 23:30:43 Quit rp- () 23:31:10 amiconn Sometimes it also makes sense to use different formats for different variables 23:31:19 saratoga thats what i'm thinking about 23:31:43 saratoga it seems like i must be not using the available range efficiently at some stage to get such rounding problems 23:31:44 Bagder sticky-note: it is called "Rockbox" nothing else. what is "rehearsable2 ? 23:32:15 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@cop60-1-82-240-26-92.fbx.proxad.net) 23:32:46 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:33:12 saratoga amiconn: are you familar with any fixed point codecs? 23:33:32 Join lids_ [0] (i=lds@gateway/tor/x-f15fe66ab3f95e20) 23:34:19 amiconn I'm not really familiar with any codes. 23:34:23 Quit sticky-note ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23:34:45 amiconn I had a look at some parts of codecs, like flac (namely the lpc decoder) 23:34:58 Join sticky-note [0] (i=5382f95a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6962c94771d2496) 23:35:02 amiconn But I also did some fixed point work, e.g. in mandelbrot 23:35:08 Nick sticky-note is now known as guest294800 (i=5382f95a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6962c94771d2496) 23:35:58 amiconn I also tried to get my head around the rice decoder in flac... 23:36:09 guest294800 rehearsable i mean that i can delete it wont causes any damage to my mp3 23:36:19 saratoga i'm mostly wondering if they play around with the precision at times 23:36:42 saratoga i guess MS probably designed this codec with fixed point in mind, so it seems like theres probably some solution to this that makes it all work in 32 bits 23:36:59 amiconn I think so too 23:37:05 Bagder guest294800: I'd call that reversable... but yes, Rockbox can be removed again. We don't give any guarantees of course. 23:37:24 guest294800 i c 23:37:28 guest294800 10x anyway 23:37:55 Join Robin0800 [0] (n=Robin080@cpc5-brig8-0-0-cust142.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23:38:13 Quit guest294800 (Client Quit) 23:38:15 amiconn Those el cheapo players available nearly everywhere usually play mp3 and wma, and I don't think these cheap chips (often sigmatel) can handle floating point 23:38:25 Join Thundercloud__ [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.3.174) 23:40:54 Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:42:08 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-d.landg1.lb.home.nl) 23:42:39 saratoga amiconn: theres actually commercial decoders which work on 24x24 bit mul units some DSPs have 23:42:44 saratoga no idea how that works though 23:47:36 Quit petur ("zzzz") 23:47:41 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) 23:48:51 Join webguest71 [0] (i=cfbc4151@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5bc54c78d524f516) 23:49:09 webguest71 Can anyone help me install Rockbox on a Toshiba Gigabeat F10? 23:49:48 saratoga webguest71: did it the other day 23:49:55 saratoga just follow the instructions in the manual 23:50:00 saratoga takes about 2 minutes 23:50:24 webguest71 Where do I extract the files to? There's only 'My Music' and 'Pictures.' 23:50:54 webguest71 When I go to 'Toshiba Gigabeat' from My Computer, that is. 23:51:01 saratoga webguest71: you have to show hidden files 23:51:05 saratoga i believe this is in the manual 23:52:09 Quit ompaul ("sleep well") 23:53:54 webguest71 How do I make those show up? 23:54:04 Quit Robin0800 (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 23:55:36 saratoga tools > options 23:55:40 saratoga somewhere in there 23:55:56 DerPapst if anyone is interested.. there is a bug in xobox. If you've selected 75% as difficulty you have to remove 76% of this black thingy. 23:56:07 DerPapst in xobox.c line 788 23:56:17 DerPapst it should be: 23:56:17 DerPapst if (percentage_cache > difficulty) { 23:56:24 DerPapst *it is 23:56:34 DerPapst and it should be: if (percentage_cache >= difficulty) { 23:56:36 DerPapst :) 23:57:47 saratoga DerPapst: might as well submit a patch if yo'ure fixed it 23:57:52 * DerPapst thinks that making a bug report for that is a bit overkill ;) 23:58:34 DerPapst saratoga: i should make a patch for that tiny change? 23:58:42 DerPapst i can do so.... 23:58:46 Llorean I'll fix it. 23:58:53 DerPapst thanks :)