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#rockbox log for 2007-06-10

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00:23:52SliMMhere's an interesting bug
00:24:00SliMMhere's an interesting bug
00:24:22Robin0800its a double bug
00:25:26SliMMif the playback is paused and i rewind/fast forward it starts playing, but the playback status is still flagged as paused and i have todouble click on the pause buttonfor pausing
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00:25:46SliMMsorry for double posting
00:25:54n1sSliMM: that is known
00:26:03SliMMoh
00:26:09SliMM:)
00:26:16n1shttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7257
00:28:23SliMMbye
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00:41:11perldiverhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7276
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01:08:54BigavshaHelp! I'm a noob needing help
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01:09:13BigavshaCan anyone help me?
01:09:17BigavshaI have an iPod
01:09:29Bigavshaand I downloaded the FMpresets to it
01:09:33Bigavshafor Tel aviv
01:09:44Bigavshabut I don't know how to turn on the radio on this !
01:09:47Bigavshahelp?!
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01:10:28Bigavshahelp please
01:11:13scorcheplease read the manual
01:11:19scorcheand have a bit of patience please...
01:11:31BigavshaI read it 3 times
01:11:38Bigavshaand I still dont have a clue
01:12:01scorchewell, ipods dont have a radio..
01:12:22BigavshaIt says to put the .fmr files wherever u want or even in the .rockbox/fmpresets folder
01:12:31scorchethe device has to have a radio
01:12:41BigavshaOh.. I know, but I thought I'd be able to open it with the iPod.. =\
01:13:03Bigavshashit
01:13:05Bigavshaok thankx
01:13:06scorcheif the device doesnt have a radio, how do you expect to listen to it?
01:13:21Bigavshadunno, thought the Rockbox enabled it
01:13:35scorchehow can it enable something that isnt there?
01:14:02Bigavshathe hell I know
01:14:20Bigavshaoh, and another thing, how do I go back to the regular operating system?
01:14:32scorcheread the FAQ
01:14:35BigavshaI did
01:14:43scorchethen read it harder
01:14:47Bigavshais that what's called "Disk Mode"?
01:14:51scorcheno
01:15:01BigavshaI'm afraid to erase everything in here
01:15:13scorchewhy do you need to do that?
01:15:29Bigavshaand I've clicked the reboot thingy several times, the "select" + "menu" 10 seconds thing
01:15:53Bigavshacould you tell me or what?
01:16:19scorchetell you what?
01:16:50Bigavshahow to go back to the regular iPod operating system
01:17:00scorchethe FAQ tells you
01:17:27Bigavshadunno where the FAQ are
01:17:58scorcheYOU SAID ABOVE THAT YOU READ IT BEFORE
01:18:02scorchewhoops...caps
01:18:38Bigavshathe ones in the forum?
01:18:48scorchethere are no FAQ in the forum
01:19:23Bigavshado you know... or not?
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01:19:56scorchei do, but it is in the guidelines of this channel that you are supposed to have read the manual and FAQ before you speak
01:20:01scorchesee the link in the topic
01:20:16BigavshaI guess
01:20:21Bigavshabut I'm kinda lazy
01:20:45scorcheso being lazy means that you dont have to follow the guidelines?
01:21:45linuxstbBigavsha: A starting point - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines
01:22:14Bigavshayeah I got it
01:23:14BigavshaI don't have time to search through all these questions
01:23:31Bigavshacould you reveal the big secret to me?
01:24:01scorchethe "table of contents" is the big secret...you find which question you have and click on it
01:25:04Bigavshacan't find it there
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01:25:27Bigavshabegging you to tell me
01:25:33Bigavshacause I can't find the question there
01:26:29scorcheyou dont see " How to start the original Apple Firmware"?
01:26:43saratogaare you asking about FM on an Ipod?
01:26:48saratogai don't think thats even possible
01:26:51Bigavshano no
01:27:09scorchesaratoga: not anymore
01:29:24Bigavshawhich one is the "hold" button? menu?
01:29:39scorchethere is a diagram of each button in the manual
01:29:53Bigavshawow u really are a hardass
01:30:22saratogaBigavsha: what exactly are you asking?
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01:31:13scorchei am not a "
01:31:25scorchehardass...i just like people following the rules ;)
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01:38:34toffe82scorche: do you think about something special you like to have at the devcon but you don't have it, or something we should have (hardware stuff, computer...)?
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01:39:40scorchethere are a few things, yes, but i am planning on just purchasing those
01:40:01scorchealthough, do you happen to ahve a DVI to HCMI cable?
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01:41:24toffe82no , you just choose the only thing I don't have :)
01:41:30scorches/HCMI/HDMI
01:42:40toffe82yes, you want to connect a computer to a hdtv ?
01:42:48scorcheyup
01:43:30scorchehow about a whiteboard? =P
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01:43:52webguest39hi
01:43:56TrueJournalsHello
01:44:10webguest39im trying to install rockbox into an ipod nano 2 generation
01:44:21scorcheyou cant
01:44:35TrueJournals"Nano 2nd gen is not supported" −− www.rockbox.org
01:44:46toffe82scorche : you ask everything I don't have ;)
01:44:50webguest39what about linux
01:45:04scorcheyou cant install that either, although that is the wrong thing to ask here
01:45:11webguest39untill when I can be able to install it?
01:45:16scorcheno clue
01:45:20saratogaprobably never
01:45:28saratoga2G Nano is locked down pretty tight
01:45:51webguest39well, thanks for all
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01:49:36toffe82scorche: this whiteboard will work for you as we have a big screen ? :)
01:49:53toffe82http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Communications/Conferencing/HiveBoard-4496.shtml
01:49:56scorcheeither or...or both
01:51:39scorcheyeah...physical whiteboards are nice though...otherwise, i was just planning on using the screens
01:54:49toffe82For the cable, if you don't have time to buy it, there is a big electronic shop not far away from the hotel (Fry's electronic)
01:57:45*Soap prefers those huge paper easel tablets to whiteboards.
01:58:00Soapthere's a Fry's in vegas?
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01:58:10toffe82yes
01:58:10SoapI need somone to watch me if I drink, then.
01:58:26scorcheyeah...frys is great
01:58:36toffe82just out the higway when you arrive from LA
01:58:42scorchetoffe82: i used to live in vegas for a little bit, so i know where everything is though....thanks ;)
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03:00:40tw2113anyone active?
03:02:25Soapaye
03:02:41saratogafor a bit longer anyway
03:02:41tw2113would you have any idea why my ipod with rockbox wouldn't mount when plugged in?
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03:03:02saratogatheres no USB support on the Ipod yet, so you need to reboot into Apple's firmware
03:03:15saratogacheck back in a month or two once Christian gets somewhere with his USB drive
03:03:17saratogar
03:03:27tw2113i have it running overall, it just doesn't always mount itself
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03:03:33Soapthere is USB /detection/, but it takes a long time for Rockbox to reboot into Apple sometimes it seems.
03:03:35tw2113i have successfully copied files onto it
03:03:56tw2113it usually does when i restart my setup in linux
03:04:53tw2113not a huge deal really, i'd just have to make sure to do all the updating I want before unmounting
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03:07:24saratogapeaking of which, someone get christian to setup a status page for his project so i can stop searching the chat logs
03:07:48Soaphis nick is?...
03:11:08saratogaaustriancoder
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03:14:32chrisjs169everything seems dead =/
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03:16:03chrisjs169yay, someone joined
03:16:16*chrisjs169 needs someone to talk to while waiting for all of this to download
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03:17:08Soap#defocus is a general chat channel. #rockbox is a support/developement channel
03:17:40chrisjs169oh yeah - ok
03:17:56Soap#rockbox-community would be a great chat channel for people who use rockbox and want to chit-chat, but it's almost empty.
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03:42:29aaa66can someone help me to understand rockbox, btw i have a xbox running XBMC, is this anything like that change also i have a sansa mp3 player.
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03:44:45scorchenot really
03:44:55scorchethe manual can help with that, as well as the wiki
03:45:13scorchewhat part are you having trouble with specifically?
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05:22:59xskaterhello
05:24:19xskateris anyone here?
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05:27:44JdGordon100 in one form of idlesness or another...
05:28:08xskateri have a few questions
05:28:14xskaterif you have the time to answer
05:31:34airheadhello
05:32:01xskaterhey
05:32:16airheadwhats up
05:32:22xskaterairhead you up for a few questions?
05:32:29airheadreal quick
05:32:31airheadgotta go in 2 minutes
05:32:31xskaterhmm just contemplating things
05:32:34xskaterallright
05:32:52xskateris rockbox compatible with itunes, as long as you use some sort of multiboot?
05:33:18airheadbelieve so, check the documentation on the particular firmware
05:33:41airheadbut i would think so, or how else are you gona get music on the thing
05:33:44*JdGordon points xskater to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines
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05:34:46xskaterwell it says that questions are allowed
05:35:18xskateror were you pointing to something else?
05:35:41JdGordonthe part about just asking your question.. not asking to ask
05:36:42xskatersorry about that, i probably should've given that a look prior to entering
05:38:32chrisjs169xskater: assuming you are referring to ipods, they also have disk mode, which I think is what rockbox uses
05:39:33xskateryeah im talking about ipods
05:39:47xskateralso im not to familiar with diskmode
05:40:01xskatersee i was just fooling around with ipod wizard and then i came across this
05:40:05xskaterand i was pretty interested
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06:20:41JdGordonjhMikeS: you round?
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06:30:48bryhello?
06:31:49BHSPitLappysshhh
06:31:56bry:[
06:32:09bryI just installed rockbox and heard about this channel
06:33:23bryWhy wont any of the wps themes work?
06:34:24scorchewhat are they doing?
06:35:04brywell, keep in mind I *just* installed it and I may be retarded
06:35:16brybut i downloaded some rockbox themes
06:35:22bryand i go to "browse wps"
06:35:26bryand click on a wps
06:35:39brybut when I look at the screen while it plays a file its just basic text
06:35:47bryand looks nothing like the theme i downloaded
06:35:58*scorche hands bry a book on paragraphs ;)
06:36:21bry:o
06:36:26scorchedoes the background change?
06:36:43bryyeah
06:36:50bryit did for one theme that I got
06:36:58brybut the text remains the same
06:37:04bryand the wps is very basic
06:37:07scorchedo the little moving bars stay?
06:37:39bryno, they move around
06:37:51bryps im using an iriver h320
06:38:11scorchewell, it sounds like you are just using broken themes
06:38:33bryhrrm
06:38:41bryso im not doing anything wrong, though?
06:38:53bryif you click the wps file it usually just loads a theme, right?
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06:39:02scorcheyes
06:39:20scorchemake sure that you have installed the fonts pack and try some others
06:42:00brywell, i downloaded the latest release
06:42:07bryand it already had some themes
06:42:19brybut even those ones don't work
06:42:37*JdGordon slaps jhMikeS around with his damn spinlocks!
06:42:56JdGordonanyone kow how long a recording I would have t do to make sure I didnt break it?
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08:45:57leftrightJdGordon, you said you fixed the paged scrolling issue, but I dont see a commit for that in the build table,
08:46:43leftrightdid the build table dump a few commits yesterday
08:46:47JdGordonyeah
08:46:52JdGordonthe build table was screwed
08:46:59JdGordoncheck the last 4 weeks log page
08:47:27leftrightnp, just wanted to ensure that your fix was in, thanks for fixing it
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08:58:33leftrightJdGordon: I just downloaded the latest current and it still has the #7274 bug
08:59:44JdGordon:'( bugger
08:59:56JdGordonI was scared of that, pauljam said the same thing last night
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09:00:00JdGordonit was working for m in the sim
09:00:30JdGordoncan you reopen the task?
09:00:33JdGordonI'll fix it later
09:00:40leftrightthanks
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10:04:49PaulJamJdGordon: the good news: FS #7274 seems to be fixed now.
10:06:23JdGordonyay
10:06:37JdGordonyeah, It was fixed last time also.. cept i must have accidently done a bad paste
10:06:40JdGordonstupid mistake
10:07:00PaulJamthe bad news: there seems to be a new bug. if you have a longer folderlist and enter the last folder and exit it again then this folder is the first item in the list which means there is blank space below it.
10:08:02JdGordoncan you build your own version?
10:08:09JdGordonvery quick test to fix that...
10:08:59PaulJamcurrrently i can't build. i have some network problems with linux.
10:09:28JdGordongrr.. ok..
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10:11:28JdGordonhave I mentioned I am sick of the bloody list code?
10:15:34JdGordonPaulJam: fixed, will cmmit in a few min
10:15:52PaulJamok, thank you
10:26:29JdGordonoh bugger...
10:26:34JdGordonbuild table is scrwwed again
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11:03:23rp-hi
11:04:01rp-who has done the svn changelog on the main page?
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11:11:38r2tincanDoes anyone know if Rockbox for the ipod video will break 3rd party functionality?
11:12:24r2tincanlike if i dock my ipod with something
11:12:32r2tincanwill i still be able to dock with the rockbox firmware
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11:19:30r2tincananyone?
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11:36:06r2tincanis anyone here?
11:37:44RimidimiI think you should come back later... most activity herre is in the evening... i dont have an iPod so i cant give you an proper answer ^^
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11:39:30PaulJamthere is a list of accessories that are known to work/not work with rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
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12:27:20JdGordonnice :) green delta from my commit, I was scared it would go red
12:30:10aLtair27anyone can give me the link where should i start to learn rockbox for iPod video 5.5g 80gb thankz!
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12:31:47JdGordonrockbox.org/manual
12:33:37aLtair27the manual doesnt contain the guide for 5.5g xD
12:35:41JdGordonits the same manual as the 5g viedeo
12:35:46JdGordonvideo*
12:36:02JdGordonthe _only_ difference is the hard disk...
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12:42:39aLtair27so i can use that guide w/ my iPod ok thankx ^_^
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13:11:55leftrightare the colour screens readible in bright sunlight /
13:14:38leftrightthere is no way I'm going to go near a dap with a colour screen if its anything like the colour screen on my smart phone
13:20:01leftrightwhich is totally unreadible in bright sunlight
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13:20:30Arathiscan anyone say where the running time is saved and why it's reset every time you charge with rockbox running?
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13:21:39pixieleftright: I can barely read mine in bright light..
13:23:09Domonoky_leftright: it depends on the player, there are readable and unreadable Displays under full sunlight, but i dont know which player has which .-)
13:23:52leftrighthmm, interesting that some are better than others,
13:24:09jvhcjust wondering, what does evilgs build actually do?
13:24:24leftrightwould the colour of the background inflence readiblitiy
13:24:26linuxstbleftright: The colour ipods are just about readable in sunlight without a backlight. The gigabeat isn't readable at all. I don't know about the H300, X5 and Sansa.
13:24:43linuxstbleftright: Yes, a high contrast theme can help
13:24:51PaulJamthe h300 display doesn't work well with direct sunlight, but i have heard that the ipod video display is good.
13:25:24Domonoky_high contrast theme helps, but it really depends on display technologie..
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13:27:15leftrighthmm, thanks
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13:35:37oboCould someone with flyspray rights link FS #7261 to FS #7257, and maybe close 7261??
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13:55:00GrobblerExcuse me, I've read the FAQ several times, and I still can't turn on the old Apple Firmware on my iPod
13:55:10GrobblerCan anyone help me?
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14:12:52Domonoky_switch on hold, directly after starting the ipod
14:14:33Nico_PDomonoky_: what is it in rbutil that makes it require wxWidgets 2.8 ?
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14:15:58Domonoky_Nico_P: i dont know for sure, i think there was something about MacOsX support..
14:16:10Nico_Pok
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14:17:34Domonoky_Nico_P: of course there are now function which arent aviable in 2.6, but that could be changed, but it doesnt help when its a problem with MacOsX.. i will investigate a litte bit...
14:18:37Nico_Pcool :)
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14:19:02Nico_PIt'd probably be easier for a lot of people if rbutil only required 2.6
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14:19:56GrobblerOh jeez
14:20:01GrobblerI'm in deep shit again.
14:20:18GrobblerOk, I had the latest build on the iPod,
14:20:43Grobblerand then I downloaded some themes that said they needed the Senab Build
14:20:59Grobblerso after installing those themes, I extracted the Senab Build onto the iPod
14:21:30Grobblerand now when I try to play the plug-ins, it says: "incompatible version"
14:23:07Domonoky_what are the latest wx 2.6 versions aviable in Linux (debian ) ? newer than 2.6.3 ?
14:23:54Grobblerplease help? anyone? =\
14:24:41PaulJamGrobbler: how old is the senab build?
14:24:42Domonoky_Grobbler: you didnt install the complete Senab build, and no support for custom, unsupported builds here.. :-)
14:24:58GrobblerSo what do I do?
14:25:13GrobblerI think the first build I installed wasn't Senab
14:25:39Grobblerand I installed the latest, from the senab.co.uk site
14:25:51Domonoky_it could also be that senab build is to old.. i dont know..
14:26:18Grobbleroh, so what do I do? just install the newer build again?
14:26:20Domonoky_best to delete all rockbox files on your ipod, and reextract the senab build..
14:26:34Domonoky_or use a official build :-)
14:29:11Grobblerhmm, also, (I know I'm being an annoying asshole, but the FAQ isn't well orgainzed, I think.. I can't really find my way there)
14:29:32GrobblerIs there a place to get more Plug-Ins for the iPod Rockbox?
14:30:20Nico_PDomonoky_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=wxgtk&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
14:30:22Domonoky_all plugins are included, *asshole* .. hehe
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14:35:19GrobblerAlso, there is a video on youtube of someone playing an AVI file on his iPod using iPodLinux... Is it really possible and how exactly is Linux different from Rockbox?
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14:37:27Domonoky_Grobbler: please read the webpage, for ipodlinux read their page.. (video hint: wiki: PluginMpegplayer)
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14:37:45GrobblerI did, but they don't have iPod linux for 5g
14:38:08Grobblerand MPEG isn't the same as AVI
14:38:59Domonoky_AVI is only a container, not a format.
14:40:30Domonoky_and you have to resize the video to your screensize ( not enough cpu power) so you can also change the format at the same time..
14:40:46Grobblerbut I still can't open avi files with my iPod.. I mean, they don't even appear on the file browser
14:41:23Domonoky_they are not supported, and to see them change the file view
14:41:57PaulJamfor g5 ipods i would suggest to use the video functionality of the apple firmware.
14:42:03Domonoky_you have to transform your video to the screen size and to mpeg.. see the wiki page..
14:44:06GrobblerI am reading the wiki page
14:45:24Grobblerbtw
14:46:29Grobblerhow do I change the file view?
14:47:28Domonoky_Grobbler: read the manual, its really good :-)
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14:51:36Grobblerdoesn't say how to see files that aren't in the File Formats list
14:52:23Nico_PDomonoky_: what OS do you run ?
14:52:44Nico_Pis anyone running ubuntu feisty here ?
14:54:37Domonoky_Nico_P: win XP and debian in a VM..
14:55:05Nico_Pdoes your debian have wxGTK 2.8.4 ?
14:57:03Domonoky_on my debian there is 2.8.0 :-)
14:57:20Nico_Pyou don't use it for rbutil ?
14:58:26Domonoky_i use it only for rbutil :-)
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14:59:07Nico_Pok... are you sure it's 2.8.0 ? 2.8.2 didn't work for me... (wx-config −−version)
14:59:50Domonoky_wx-config −−version tells me 2.8.0
14:59:59Domonoky_and it works for rbutil...
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15:00:07Domonoky_what error have you got ?
15:00:07Nico_Pah
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15:00:47Nico_Pwell when I was using a 2.8.2 the output from wx-config −−version=2.8 −−cxxflags didn't seem to be right
15:01:19Nico_Pso I built a 2.8.3 from source and now that I've installed the official 2.8.4 it's fine again
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15:01:29Domonoky_ah perhaps the version flag isnt right for the newer version ? its only if you have 2.6 and 2.8 installed
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15:01:51Nico_Por now that I think about it, the problem could be something else, related to where the exexcutable was
15:02:56Domonoky_if you have different wx-config bins on your system, then there could be problems..
15:03:31Nico_Pyes, that was probably the problem
15:04:38Nico_Pthe problem is that now when I build the deb package, the requirement is libwxgtk2.8 in version at least 2.8.4
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15:06:41Domonoky_2.8.4 is required for the deb package ?? why ?
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15:11:40Domonoky_ah, now i understand, because the package is build with 2.8.4, it requires 2.8.4 ?
15:12:10Domonoky_if so, then i should build a package with 2.8.0, so the requirements are lower :-)
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15:18:35JdGordonis it bad if spinlock_init(&lock) is called more than once?
15:20:10Nico_PDomonoky_: yes, I built it with 2.8.4 so it needs that
15:20:18Nico_PI'll try getting 2.8.0
15:24:13Domonoky_Nico_P: would be nice if you try that, i dont have the time to do it, i have to leave in ~ 1 hour for a few days..
15:24:31LearNico_P: That podcast you PM:ed about is actually too long, that's why it crashes.
15:25:12Nico_PLear: just because it's too long ? generally long files just get skipped
15:25:26Nico_Pthis one crashes the player
15:26:07LearYes, but this is a borderline case. If it is way too long it causes a clean exit early on (from libm4a). Here it is libfaad that can't handle a NULL return from malloc.
15:28:10Nico_Pbut it's it's only 59 minutes... I have longer podcasts that play fine... is it because it's too large ?
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15:30:21LearYes, that's because it isn't strictly a question of length; how the file is structured matters too.
15:30:40Nico_POK. and are there reasonable solutions to this ?
15:30:50LearThis one is separated into many different chunks, whereas most files I've seen before only have a few.
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15:31:48Nico_PDomonoky_: I've managed to gt a hold of v2.8.1... I'll build a package with it
15:32:22LearThere might be. Depends on what the decoder actually needs in terms of frame sizes. I.e., do libfaad need to know the size of a single frame (sample in QT terminology).
15:33:18LearIf not, libm4a could be rewritten to not simply load a bunch of tables into ram, but rather recalculate them into something smaller.
15:33:51Nico_PLear: that sounds complex... is it ?
15:33:54LearIt would mean reduced seek precision, but there could still be tens of thousands of seek points, so it wouldn't matter that much, I think.
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15:35:47LearIt is, a little, yes. You could check get_sample_offset (and the seek functions) in m4a.c (libm4a) to get an idea.
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15:37:10Nico_Psadly I'm pretty sure I'm not up to the task
15:38:59LearIt's not really that complicated. You just need to read up a bit on the QuickTime/MP4 file format, specifically the atoms stsc, stsz, stco and stts.
15:39:41LearThey just describe various sizes and offsets of data in the file, but you need all of them to find out what you want.
15:40:40LearMain reason I haven't done it is lack of interest. Don't really use mp4...
15:40:51Nico_Ppity :)
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15:42:48JdGordonI know doing *wbuf++ = DATA_REG; 16 times is faster than a loop, but wouldnt doing wbuf[0...15] = DATA_REG; be faster still?
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15:49:05LearDepends on what kind of code the compiler generates, I guess.
15:49:25LearIt's basically a memset of some sort.
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15:50:09JdGordonyeah, but i'm thinking, if the wbuf variable doesnt need to be updated, hats 2 less mem access for each one
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15:53:41Learwbuf would likely be in a register in any case, so I doubt it would matter.
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15:59:05Nico_PDomonoky_: I've updated the rbutil wiki page with a feisty package requiring v2.8.1
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16:00:42lyakhany info about this one: http://www.outlet23.eu/product_info.php?language=en&products_id=11&XTCsid=15bdd02c4efce1e0e910b1b46ec295a0
16:01:12Domonoky_Nico_P: nice..
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16:10:03lyakhas a matter of fact, there appear lots of "cheap" multimedia portable players with multi-GB internal storage, some with card support, (seamingly) capable of playing mpeg4...
16:10:10lyakhare there attempts to port rockbox to them or development goes mainly / exclusively to improve support for existing ports?
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16:11:21Domonoky_lyakh: ports are done by people owning the hardware, and enough interrest and skills to do the port..
16:12:06lyakhanyone sponsored to do new ports?
16:12:29JdGordonyou need to find someone willin to start a new port if you want to sponsor them
16:13:04Domonoky_rockbox doesnt have paid developers, but it would be nice :-)
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16:13:55lyakhoh, did I say I wanted to sponsor anyone?...
16:14:03lyakh:-)
16:14:11lyakhyeah, pity
16:14:20LearAny Win32 wizard who can explain why FormatMessageA in io.c (uisimulator code) fails? :)
16:14:50JdGordonwin32 or sdl?
16:15:03LearIt complains about an incorrect parameter.
16:15:32JdGordonpassing a NULL string or somthing?
16:15:38LearSDL sim, but I think the code in question is very old...
16:16:01LearCan't see anything wrong, unless the mingw headers are incorrect or something. :)
16:20:27lyakhso, manufacturers arew not interested?...
16:20:56lyakhhave there been any requests from them, resp., are there players with rockbox preinstalled?
16:24:42*chrisjs169 waits for another SVN commit
16:25:00JdGordonsansa was th eonly manufacturer with any real nicety towards us... rockbox was given a few e200's but no docs so nothing really usefull
16:25:14*JdGordon wonders why chrisjs169 wants a commit
16:25:41chrisjs169I'm trying to test something, and want to make sure it's working
16:26:07LearAh, it requires a value for va_list...
16:29:25lyakhI guess, if there were any, they'd be in huge red letters on rb web:-)
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16:30:46*JdGordon listening to music on the micro SD card again :D
16:30:50*JdGordon kicks ass
16:36:42JdGordonSlasheri: you round?
16:37:10Buschelpreglow: are you there?
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16:58:38Nico_Pchrisjs169: you've set your mail filter up ?
16:59:15chrisjs169Nico_P: yup :D
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16:59:37Nico_Pnice :)
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17:00:06chrisjs169it's actually done via .procmailrc so I don't have to keep a mail client open
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17:08:34chrisjs169I think theres a bug with 7134 (MicroSD)
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17:24:39chrisjs169so yeah - with 7134, rockbox freezes on startup
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17:35:23chrisjs169Soap: you wouldn't have any idea why the MicroSD patch is causing rockbox to freeze up would you?
17:35:39SoapFS # ?
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17:56:22Buschelanyone around who is expert in dsp.c?
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17:58:44LearWell, I did a major overhaul of it, though it was a while ago.
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18:00:07Buschellear: i am not sure if the 16bit-output is done correct. it seems we have a dc-offset of about +0.5 of 32768
18:01:10LearOh? Doesn't sound much, but... :)
18:01:16Buschel* -0.5 of 32768 *
18:02:01Buschelyes, but it's a pain when trying to check accuracy of codec output vs. reference deocder
18:02:22LearAh. :) But this is on an arm target?
18:02:33Buschelyes
18:04:38LearSo clip_sample_16 that could introduce that offset, I guess.
18:05:43Buscheli guess sample_output_stereo should do (x + 1<<(scale−−1) )>>scale instead of x>>scale for each sample
18:06:20Buschelif I add this amount to the decoders output the dc-offset has gone
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18:10:30Buschelsame happens with dithered output
18:11:12LearSince it is a constant that is added, it shouldn't affect speed much.
18:11:33Doomeddoes anybody know of a patch that ignores the A in an artist when sorting with database? im trying to merge to patches together because i dont know how to code
18:12:35Buschellear: but this constant depends on the codecs, so it is calculated from a variable...
18:13:19LearYes, but it doesn't need to be done within the loop.
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18:13:35Buschelok, you're right ;)
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18:15:16linuxstb_Buschel: How are you testing accuracy? test_codec doesn't use the DSP code.
18:16:25Buschelah! I didn't know, yet... gotta check the code there
18:17:22Buschellinux: it does the same...
18:17:55linuxstb_Yes, but you also mentioned dithering...
18:18:14Buschelyep, when enabling dithering the same amount of dc-bias is added.
18:19:40linuxstb_OK, I just wanted to make sure you weren't being misled.
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18:41:00Buschelok, when adding dc_bias ( =1<<(scale-1) ) before scaling it works fine. tested with test_codec. i will submit a patch for this
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18:45:10daurnhey all
18:45:18daurndid anyone see the archos 5th gen pictures?
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18:53:42Buschellinuxstb/lear: patch for DC-bias is added (FS #7286)
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19:22:26kohlman--hey
19:22:47kohlman--umm where do i put GB roms on my iriver?
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19:23:28kohlman--???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
19:23:56kohlman--is any1 here??
19:23:58desowinanywhere
19:24:09desowinyou just click on them
19:24:17kohlman--ok
19:24:22desowinthis plugin works as viewver
19:24:28kohlman--so right into rockbox?
19:24:47desowinanywhere you want
19:25:02kohlman--ok so i can make like a roms folder?
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19:25:18kohlman--and can it play GBA roms?
19:25:54desowinyes, roms folder sounds good, no it can't play GBA
19:26:06kohlman--just GB
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19:26:10kohlman--ok...
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19:56:36XavierGrI think that multirow.sty file should be commited to svn along with the other *.sty files on the /manual directory
19:57:45XavierGrI am compiling the manual and it will nag about that specific file, I've searched the interent to install it manual but even when I put it manuall on the tex folders it will still nag about it (unless put on the /manual folder of the repository)
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20:00:08Ice8luehey there, congrats for getting recording working on the sansa =)
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20:20:36proogi have rockbox installed on my ipod, but since i updated the apple firmware, i cant get into rockbox anymore. how do i install the boot loader so i can get to rockbox again?
20:20:53peturrbutil
20:21:31proogrbutil?
20:21:58peturplease read the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
20:22:49n1sproog: just do it like when you installed rockbox, ie with oipodpatcher (rbutil works too but is not what's described in the manual)
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20:23:13*petur just discovered the manual doesn't mention rbutil
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20:24:58n1spetur: iiuc the long-term plan is to make rbutil the official supported method of installation, which means that it should get into the manual and replace the ipodpatcher/sansapatcher/fwpatcher stuff
20:25:50peturI even fail to find anything on rbutil in the wiki using just links (not searching)
20:27:25Soapis it ready for "primetime" - or should we still be directing people to the methods currently in the manual? I am not clear on this point.
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21:05:43chrisjs169i don't tihnk anyone said anything about the issue with FS7134 - any idea why it freezes on the newer sansas?
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21:11:08reppelHi, are there news for Ipod 2nd gen support?
21:13:29linuxstbWhich 2nd gen?
21:14:06reppelops sorry
21:14:13reppel2nd gen nano
21:14:13peturnano probably, answer = no
21:14:47reppelthanks guys
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21:19:12SliMMLlorean: thanks for the badge :P
21:20:45SliMMsince it's pretty much work to do at a cubis-like game, what do you think of a game like this: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/315702
21:20:47SliMM?
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21:30:33chrisjs169any idea why using FS7134 causes the newer sansas to freeze at the rockbox logo during boot?
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22:00:15theoneis this a known bug: [pause] on current track, hit [next track], next track starts playing but the playback icon is still in 'pause'?
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22:01:07theoneresolution should be to not start playback
22:01:36theonebuild = 070603, so sorry if it's been known and been fixed
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22:27:53Robin0800ipod patcher can't see my ipod now
22:29:19Robin0800I think it is the recent changes to detection that has broken this
22:30:22linuxstbWhat does your partition table look like?
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22:35:07florentinschirmeMonkeys Audio is lagging on my h120
22:35:15florentinschirmeis this an known problem?
22:35:32linuxstbYes, it's stated everywhere. Only -c1000 is realtime on the h120 at the moment.
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22:36:03indigio3can anyone give me a hand choosing a hard drive for a M5L? I have read forums/messageboards etc before i'm flamed
22:37:04indigio3was wanting a 60gb single platter but not sure on the connector
22:39:39florentinschirmeAre the Chances good to get a lagging free MA?
22:40:07linuxstbflorentinschirme: Not really. It's a very complex codec. Do you know what compression mode your files are?
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22:41:54linuxstbindigio3: All I know is that the X5 has a MK2006GAL - I would guess all the X5/M5 variants use the same connector as that.
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22:42:47peturso it's not a ZIF but a normal IDE connector
22:43:26peturdoesn' the M5L use a sinle platter drive?
22:43:32petur*single
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22:44:00BagderM5L is single platter
22:44:25PaulJamdo 60GB single platter drives even exist?
22:44:34BagderI don't think so
22:44:42indigio3yes they do
22:44:46indigio3seagate made one, as did samsung
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22:44:52Bagdercan you buy them?
22:44:54indigio3however, i'm having a hard time finding a distributor
22:45:03peturand they probably are ZIF...
22:45:06indigio3thats the problem.. im not even sure if they are the right interface
22:45:07indigio3exactly
22:45:27indigio3is it hard replacing the drive in the M5L?
22:45:34chrisjs169what would need to be done to find the key for the e200R firmware?
22:45:51peturindigio3: try iaudiophile.net
22:45:58Bagderchrisjs169: we know the key already
22:46:14indigio3petur: tried it
22:46:25chrisjs169so what's preventing rockbox from going onto the e200R series?
22:46:41Bagderchrisjs169: I've explained that numerous times
22:46:49PaulJamis it possible to use a harddrive from a different manufacturer? i thought you could only use toshiba drives.
22:46:51Bagderin the forums
22:47:16Bagderchrisjs169: basically: figure out how to replace the bootloader
22:47:45chrisjs169Bagder: oh, ok - sorry about that
22:48:28chrisjs169Bagder: are there any ideas for replacing it?
22:48:55BagderI would say it takes some research
22:49:17chrisjs169ok
22:49:32Bagderthe R models don't have the second partition like the vanilla ones
22:49:46chrisjs169yeah
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22:49:56indigio3what are the screws like on the case of the M5L? (I dont own one yet, see....)
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22:51:35indigio3torx?
22:52:53chrisjs169Bagder: can the bootloader actually not be replaced (without e200tool) or has the filename simply not been figured out yet?
22:53:29Bagderthe R bootloader cannot "upgrade" bootloader
22:53:37chrisjs169ok
22:53:42Bagderbut funnily we know the filename
22:54:05Bagderthe bootloader also verifies the digital signature "properly"
22:54:10Bagderso it refuses to run our code
22:54:11peturindigio3: afaik, only pixelma has one
22:54:34chrisjs169ok
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22:58:13saratogaBagder: does the R series allow the same array of recovery modes as the normal firmware?
22:59:08BagderI think so, but since we don't know enough about it we can't for example recover the bootloader using e200tool etc
22:59:39Bagdersomeone bricked his R by screwing it badly with e200tool
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23:02:17chrisjs169Anyone know why FS7134 causes the latest sansas to freeze during bootup?
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23:05:59saratogachrisjs169: no idea, but whats different about the new sansa's scrollwheel?
23:08:37n1sAnyone around that wants to test a patch? :-)
23:08:44chrisjs169saratoga: the 'ridges' are a lot closer together
23:08:51chrisjs169n1s: what kind of patch?
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23:09:18n1sthe FS #7264 one, what player do you have?
23:09:33chrisjs169n1s: e200
23:10:11chrisjs169not a coldfire target though
23:10:23n1schrisjs169: well, iy shouldn't affect that, but a verification that playback and voice still works would be nice :_9
23:10:33n1ss/iy/it
23:10:52chrisjs169ok, so you want me to test it out anyway?
23:11:08n1schrisjs169: yes please :-)
23:11:18chrisjs169n1s: ok
23:11:22n1sthanks
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23:14:19linuxstbRobin0800: What does the partition table look like on your ipod which ipodpatcher isn't recognising?
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23:14:25saratogadoes anyone know how quickly errors propigate through an FFT?
23:14:53indigio3VERY!!! you're going to die!!! arggh.. ;-)
23:15:00indigio3sorry...
23:15:17chrisjs169n1s: it's just about done compiling - should have results in a min
23:16:32n1schrisjs169: very nice
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23:18:42saratogaalso, i just noticed that both eq.c and fixedpoint.c both declare the same fsincos() function to compute trig functions with CORDIC
23:18:56saratogais there some reason we don't just use one for both?
23:19:19chrisjs169n1s: ok, testing it
23:19:54chrisjs169playback works
23:20:19n1schrisjs169: ah, good, could you test voice too?
23:20:46chrisjs169voice/recording works
23:20:50n1salso did you use the newest patch (the one on the bottom)
23:21:03chrisjs169yes
23:21:18n1schrisjs169: thank you very much :-)
23:22:06chrisjs169n1s: no problem :)
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23:24:59NotSoapdoes it need to be said that my (work laptop) Core Duo compiles about 10,000 times faster than my K6-III 450?
23:25:07NotSoapdang this is nice
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23:26:57Robin0800linuxstb, will get back to you when i find a tool to show it ipod patcher used too but of course not lately
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23:39:48linuxstbRobin0800: The most likely cause is that your main partition isn't labeled as FAT32 (type 0xb). If you reformatted it, how did you do it, and does it still boot the Apple firmware OK?
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23:44:10andreasgHi, I just installed the current build of rockbox on my iPod Video Black 5th Gen., it booted up fine and I could build the music database, play music and change themes, but then as I went back to the musicplayer after browsing around it just hangs and holding down play doesn't shutdown rockbox. For now I'm just waiting for the battery to empty to boot it again. How can I debug crashes?
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23:47:17VicHello everyone.
23:47:56VicI just put rockbox on my sansa and love it. I'd like to start contributing by starting out small with Wiki Access
23:48:10VicI have an fm presets file for my area
23:48:30VicMy name is Mark Veinot
23:49:03midkayVic: done. :)
23:49:28Robin0800linuxstb,no not apple only rockbox which of couse works fine
23:49:48Vicmidkay: thanks! I look forward to being part of this community :)
23:49:52saratogawow this fixed point fft really is garbage
23:50:06n1sandreasg: hold down MENU+SELECT to reset it, I dunno about on-target crash debugging on ipods
23:50:12midkayVic: great, all help is useful and appreciated :)
23:50:26saratogagiven identical inputs as the fp version, its output diverges by at least 20 bits
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23:51:32andreasgn1s: The battery just went out so I'm good for now :)
23:51:48andreasgn1s: I did hold down MENU+SELECT and that didn't work
23:52:36n1sandreasg: it should, but I've heard of people having to hold those buttons down for as long as 30 sec to make it reset
23:52:54Robin0800andreasg, it will eventualy honest
23:53:07andreasgok, but does the threading system deadlock?
23:55:06n1sandreasg: that function is a hardware reset and should work regardless of what caused the crash
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23:55:40andreasgn1s: ok
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23:55:54Robin0800linuxstb,any one got an old ipod patcher befor the magic was taken out
23:57:55LloreanThere shouldn't really be a use for the old one.

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