| 00:00:00 | Llorean | It's impossible to install Rockbox without the hidden partition. |
| 00:00:56 | Llorean | The Apple flash bootloader loads from the hidden partition, so without one nothing will boot but emergency disk mode and diagnostic mode. |
| 00:02:12 | Robin0800 | Llorean,Rockbox is already installed and working its the new ipodpatcher tha cant auto detect it |
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| 00:04:20 | Llorean | Robin0800: If Rockbox is working, why do you think the partition is gone? Feel free to pastebin your partition table and show it to me, I guess, but if it were gone Rockbox shouldn't work. |
| 00:06:11 | Robin0800 | Llorean, Thats why I want an old ipodpatcher so Ican see the pation table |
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| 00:07:37 | Llorean | I highly doubt the older one will work if the current one doesn't. |
| 00:07:40 | Llorean | The older one was just stricter. |
| 00:07:51 | Llorean | This one should work on more, not less, iPods. |
| 00:08:13 | Llorean | IIUC, the "new" one just runs one less check. |
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| 00:09:54 | Robin0800 | Llorean,the old one used to work the new one dosen't I used the old one to install rockbox three months ago |
| 00:10:25 | Llorean | Is this the old, old, one before autodetection and automatic installation? |
| 00:10:49 | Llorean | Without a version number, I don't know which "old" one you're talking about: ipodpatcher has gone through many changes. |
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| 00:11:19 | Robin0800 | Llorean,no auto detection used to work |
| 00:12:09 | Llorean | And you've not reformatted or in any way altered your partitions since the old one worked? |
| 00:12:34 | Robin0800 | Llorean,NO |
| 00:13:10 | Llorean | No need to shout. |
| 00:13:16 | Llorean | I'm not sure how I'm supposed to have guessed the answer to that. |
| 00:13:29 | Robin0800 | Llorean,sorry |
| 00:13:33 | scorche | just use something like fdisk to see the partition table |
| 00:14:16 | Llorean | Ipodpatcher can probably still at least show it to you if you give it the right device as a parameter right? |
| 00:14:25 | Llorean | Didn't it have a −−list option? |
| 00:14:25 | Robin0800 | scorche,fdisk isn't in xp |
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| 00:14:48 | Llorean | Like "ipodpatcher 1 −−list" or something similar? |
| 00:14:52 | * | Llorean can't remember the parameters anymore |
| 00:14:53 | linuxstb_ | Can't rockbox show the partition layout (in the Debug menu)? |
| 00:17:31 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,yes it can I ve just done it |
| 00:18:04 | linuxstb_ | And what type is the main partition? As I said, it must be 0xb for ipodpatcher to recognise it. |
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| 00:26:33 | Robin0800 | linuxstb, this is the info http://pastebin.ca/557257 |
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| 00:28:24 | linuxstb_ | That's why ipodpatcher doesn't recognise it - the type of the main partition is C, not B like all other ipods. |
| 00:28:44 | linuxstb_ | How did you reformat it? Did you also repartition? |
| 00:29:33 | linuxstb_ | And I didn't understand your earlier answer - does the Apple firmware not work, or do you not have the Apple firmware installed? |
| 00:30:39 | Robin0800 | linuxstb, i used fat32format for 60gb did not repartion |
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| 00:31:17 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,no apple installed |
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| 00:34:04 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,thats the T:C you mean? |
| 00:34:41 | linuxstb_ | OK, it's fat32format's fault (the source is available, and I've just checked what it does). It changes the partition type to 0xC. |
| 00:35:25 | linuxstb_ | Yes, T: means Type. |
| 00:36:26 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,I believe there is an HP format tool does thst work correctly? |
| 00:37:54 | Robin0800 | linuxstb whats the difference between 0xB and 0xC? |
| 00:39:44 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,is this all to do with LBA because of larger thn 32 GB |
| 00:39:52 | linuxstb_ | 0xc is LBA (required for disks > 137GB). fat32formatter sets that partition type to stop Windows 98 getting confused with large disks - but it does it regardless of the size of the disk. |
| 00:40:30 | amiconn | LBA is already required for >~8GB |
| 00:40:38 | linuxstb_ | But anyway, it's no problem to make ipodpatcher look for 0xc partitions as well - try this version - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-svn.zip |
| 00:40:57 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, I meant 48-bit LBA |
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| 00:41:34 | linuxstb_ | I'm just quoting the comments in the fat32formatter source code which try to explain why it changes the partition type... |
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| 00:42:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yeah, but type 0xC is for FAT32 with LBA (all kinds, not only LBA48) |
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| 00:42:29 | smaddy | can you use rockbox with ipod shuffle |
| 00:42:32 | * | linuxstb_ wonders if fat32formatter works on the 80GB - it would be trivial to port to Linux/Mac OS X. |
| 00:42:59 | n1s | smaddy: no |
| 00:43:10 | smaddy | why not |
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| 00:43:20 | qwm | scorche |
| 00:43:41 | Llorean | smaddy: Nobody who owns a shuffle has done the porting work to get Rockbox running on that type of hardware. |
| 00:45:35 | scorche | qwm |
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| 00:48:16 | smaddy | would i able to use ipod shuffle as USB flashdrive? |
| 00:48:48 | saratoga | what are you asking? |
| 00:49:31 | linuxstb_ | Robin0800: Did that ipodpatcher work? |
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| 00:53:44 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,yes |
| 00:54:28 | smaddy | do i have you use itunes to use ipod shuffle |
| 00:54:56 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,80 gb no problem I think the max is 320 gb |
| 00:55:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: In fact partition type 0xC is the correct one for FAT32 partitions which go beyong the CHS barrier (i.e. all targets with disks >8GB) |
| 00:55:39 | linuxstb_ | Robin0800: I meant the 80GB ipod video - some fat32 formatters seem to create filesystems with problems. |
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| 00:57:01 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: That's odd - I'm sure all my Rockboxed devices are 0xb. (ipods are definitely all 0xb) |
| 00:57:45 | andreasg | smaddy: you can probably use gnupod or gtkpod |
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| 00:58:28 | smaddy | do they support drm files? |
| 00:58:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: Linus' G5.5 also has the wrong type (0xb). All my other large-hdd targets have 0xc |
| 00:59:45 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,this is the ipod patcher output http://pastebin.ca/557314 |
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| 01:00:09 | Llorean | smaddy: Your best bet is to go and do some research. This isn't really the appropriate place to find out about those programs |
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| 01:00:51 | andreasg | smaddy: they're basicly tools to upload stuff to your ipod, they handle uploads and updating the db, it's not firmware |
| 01:01:20 | smaddy | does rockbox support DRM? |
| 01:01:21 | andreasg | Llorean: you have a point there |
| 01:01:28 | Llorean | smaddy: No. |
| 01:01:38 | smaddy | why not |
| 01:01:39 | amiconn | The mini uses 0xb too, but that's correct (small enough to be chs addressable) |
| 01:01:59 | Llorean | smaddy: 1) Many of us are philosophically against it. 2) Legal restrictions prevent it from being possible anyway |
| 01:02:28 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,change ipodpatcher to look for both? |
| 01:02:52 | linuxstb_ | Robin0800: I already have done - that's the ipodpatcher you're using. |
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| 01:03:35 | Robin0800 | linuxstb_,great many thanks |
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| 01:04:26 | linuxstb_ | Robin0800: The official release hasn't been updated yet, so keep hold of that copy... |
| 01:05:18 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,I see mine says win95 fat 32 LBA is that 0xC |
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| 01:06:32 | linuxstb_ | es |
| 01:06:36 | linuxstb_ | I mean yes |
| 01:07:06 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,yes ill keep it safe just in case I have to reinstall |
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| 01:11:19 | saratoga | is there some trick to get the abs() of a 2's comp int without branches? |
| 01:11:33 | saratoga | like masking off the most significant bit? |
| 01:19:52 | andreasg | if you mask it off you'll have to add it back up to get the correct abs for negative numbers |
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| 01:20:28 | amiconn | That's only possible on arm afaik (using conditional execution) |
| 01:21:54 | andreasg | you could perhats shift off the msb store it then right shift and add the stored bit, however I have a feeling there's a better way to do it |
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| 01:22:56 | saratoga | thats complicated enough that i'll worry about that optimazation later |
| 01:23:21 | andreasg | saratoga: well, it saves you a branch :) |
| 01:24:54 | saratoga | does anyone here know about how fixed point ffts are rescaled at each step? |
| 01:25:02 | saratoga | i only sort of understand the idea |
| 01:29:46 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,I see its now been commited that was quick can fat32format tool be added somwhere in the wiki not sure where: instalation if dual boot not required? |
| 01:31:47 | linuxstb_ | Probably best not to recommend fat32format until a new release of ipodpatcher has been made. You don't need to use it to remove the Apple firmware though. |
| 01:32:59 | Llorean | I wouldn't really recommend any tool that breaks the Apple firmware, considering how often people completely ignore any warnings posted as it is. |
| 01:33:10 | Llorean | What license is fat32format though? |
| 01:33:17 | linuxstb_ | It's GPL'd |
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| 01:33:57 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean about it breaking the Apple firmware? It's just a disk formatter. |
| 01:34:38 | Llorean | Ah, I got the impression it did from Robin suggesting it for people who didn't need the Apple firmware |
| 01:34:48 | Robin0800 | svn seems to be down? |
| 01:35:39 | Llorean | On a slightly related note, now that we no longer look for the Apple magic, is it possible to create MBRs that we could distribute with RBUtil so it can do the conversion from HFS on its own? |
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| 01:36:57 | linuxstb_ | You don't want to create MBRs - ipodpatcher can read the partition map from a Macpod, so it just needs an option to write it back as a DOS Partition Table. |
| 01:37:44 | Llorean | Ah, gotcha. |
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| 03:16:36 | Doomed | should be getting a replacement mobo for my H120 this week =D. ill be running rockbox on an H120, H340, and a 4g b/w ipod |
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| 04:17:47 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: you round? |
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| 04:29:47 | _jah_ | hmm ... i'm getting all kinds of lockups on my 30g ipod photo using the current build ... anyone else in the same boat? |
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| 04:53:53 | saratoga | got WMA integer decoding working properly for my test file :) |
| 04:54:08 | saratoga | can't ABX Windows and ffmpeg Integer |
| 04:56:01 | Llorean | You going to post a patch to ffmpeg with the integer decoder working once it's 'done'? |
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| 05:04:56 | saratoga | I don't know |
| 05:05:06 | saratoga | i'd like to, but its not clear how that would work |
| 05:05:34 | saratoga | it would also be a lot of work, sinec I'd have to sync my version with theirs, and they've drifted a lot |
| 05:05:42 | saratoga | time permitting I'd like to though |
| 05:06:01 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 05:06:03 | Llorean | Well, that makes sense. |
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| 05:07:13 | saratoga | SNR of my decoder verses the fp one is 67 dB |
| 05:07:29 | saratoga | should be enough that no one complains |
| 05:07:35 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 05:08:37 | Llorean | I get the impression WMA gets used most often in a space saving at the cost of quality capacity anyway. |
| 05:09:06 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: spottily |
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| 05:43:30 | B1zz | i read the manual for rockbox for the iriver h300 series, i did not see anything on video. I was just wondering if there is any video support in rockbox, i mean the original firmware has it. |
| 05:43:50 | Doomed | B1zz look up mpeg player in the wiki |
| 05:44:10 | B1zz | thanks doomed |
| 05:44:40 | Doomed | need a link |
| 05:44:40 | Doomed | ? |
| 05:44:56 | B1zz | nope, looking at it atm |
| 05:45:08 | Doomed | ok np |
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| 06:16:04 | B1zz | how does one apply patches? i have an Iriver h300 series and there is a video patch. |
| 06:16:22 | scorche | B1zz: see the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 06:31:29 | toffe82 | How do you add a page on the wiki ? |
| 06:33:10 | scorche | toffe82: type the name you want int the "go to" box, and it will say that that page doesnt exist and ask you if you want to make a new one |
| 06:33:55 | toffe82 | ok , thanks, I will post the photo of the gigabeat v30 |
| 06:34:56 | Llorean | Just type in what would be the URL for the page, and go from there |
| 06:35:30 | scorche | same thing =) |
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| 06:44:29 | Malpine | noob question: how do I find my music? |
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| 06:45:42 | gantrixx | does the container (such as ogg or mp4) change the fidelity of the music? |
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| 06:56:08 | jba | hey fellas, it's been a while |
| 06:56:10 | jba | markun, you awake? |
| 06:56:39 | toffe82 | hey jba |
| 06:57:47 | jba | hey toffe82 long time no see |
| 06:57:56 | toffe82 | yes |
| 06:58:00 | jba | i heard you were helping with the hardware effort on the gigabeat s? |
| 06:58:10 | jba | my x is rocking more than ever |
| 06:58:30 | toffe82 | yes and I just upload the photos of the V30 which as the same electronic as the S |
| 06:58:40 | toffe82 | I have a X also |
| 06:59:45 | scorche | Llorean: there? |
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| 07:11:27 | toffe82 | you can have a look on the V30 there : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatVInfo |
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| 07:16:23 | MX-G | why i cant be able to play .mp4 files? |
| 07:16:27 | MX-G | video? |
| 07:17:35 | scorche | because Mpegplayer doesnt suppot them |
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| 07:18:44 | MX-G | what does it support? |
| 07:19:09 | scorche | see the wiki page PluginMpegplayer |
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| 07:29:46 | MX-G | thanks =) |
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| 07:42:29 | lymeca | Is there a way I can have Rockbox *not* enter USB mode and boot Apple's disk mode software when I plug in the USB cable to my 4th gen iPod? |
| 07:42:43 | lymeca | I'd like it to just charge sometimes and listen to music whilst charging off of USB. |
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| 07:43:58 | scorche | hold menu while inserting the cable |
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| 07:47:13 | lymeca | scorche: Awesome... should there be any UI notifications of charging status? |
| 07:47:44 | scorche | the battery icon on the status bar will change |
| 07:47:53 | lymeca | Also, can I make this the default behavior and hold menu to enter Apple's disk mode? |
| 07:48:23 | scorche | wait...you wanted to hold menu to enter apple's disk mode? |
| 07:48:48 | lymeca | Yes... I'd rather it merely stay in Rockbox and charge when I plug in to USB |
| 07:48:56 | lymeca | As a default action anyway. |
| 07:49:02 | scorche | oh |
| 07:49:12 | scorche | then not really unless you change it yourself |
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| 07:49:35 | lymeca | Yes but is there a way to change it myself other than hacking the code? |
| 07:49:42 | scorche | no |
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| 07:51:58 | neutralrobotboy | my h300 appears to be charging via usb while connected to my computer as an external hd. is that right? |
| 07:53:18 | scorche | those devices do support charging over usb, yes |
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| 07:54:15 | indigio3 | anyone know if any seagate drives (especially the lyrions) fit/are compat with the M5L? |
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| 07:54:44 | scorche | you were told to ask somewhere else, i believe... |
| 07:55:35 | indigio3 | ? |
| 07:55:38 | indigio3 | nope |
| 07:55:52 | scorche | iaudiophile |
| 07:56:02 | indigio3 | been there.. no help |
| 07:56:20 | indigio3 | nm |
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| 08:25:36 | lch_ | howdy folks |
| 08:25:50 | lch_ | what's the current premier hardware to run rockbox on? |
| 08:26:03 | lch_ | my h340 is slowly dying |
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| 08:28:55 | amiconn | All the rockbox targets have their pros and cons. It depends on what features you want most |
| 08:29:09 | lch_ | afaics, the h340 is the only one with line in and fm and microphone |
| 08:29:14 | lch_ | ... but honest I never really used those |
| 08:29:26 | lch_ | I guess the main thing is realtime FLAC and a color screen |
| 08:29:35 | lch_ | and preferably long battery life |
| 08:29:54 | lch_ | I saw on the wiki that the ipod 80gb battery life is about half of what Apple's roms gets |
| 08:30:02 | lch_ | how's the battery life on the gigabeat f40? |
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| 08:33:44 | amiconn | I don't know |
| 08:34:00 | amiconn | If you want long battery life, you could consider the X5L |
| 08:34:19 | amiconn | And btw, the h300 is not the only one with line in + fm + mic |
| 08:34:37 | lch_ | X5L = gigabeat 5gb ? |
| 08:34:49 | lch_ | oh, no, I see it |
| 08:34:54 | lch_ | "cowon", never heard of it |
| 08:35:06 | lch_ | what other players have line in + fm + mic? |
| 08:35:17 | amiconn | many |
| 08:36:18 | lch_ | ah, x5l has those too |
| 08:37:03 | amiconn | Starting from the ooold archos fm recorder and Ondio FM, then the iriver h100 and h300 series, iaudio X5 series |
| 08:37:15 | amiconn | (except the x5v) |
| 08:37:48 | lch_ | archos fm was my first rockbox rig−−sadly, it was junk, and unfixable when it failed |
| 08:38:09 | amiconn | Not sure whether the iriver h10 has line in and mic. The Sansa has mic + fm, but no line in. And its recording capabilites are crap, imho |
| 08:38:32 | lch_ | it looks like the x5v has above-average audio quality |
| 08:38:43 | amiconn | Don't get the 'v' if you want fm |
| 08:38:46 | lch_ | the h340 was sort of the audiophile-preferred rig back in the day, iirc |
| 08:39:04 | lch_ | my mistake, I'm looking at the X5L on amazon right now |
| 08:39:21 | amiconn | The audio quality (at least the headphone out) of the x5 is better than that of the irivers, imho |
| 08:40:15 | lch_ | how's the rockbox ui on the iaudio? I'm used to the iriver; people are complaining about the lack of a "stop" button |
| 08:40:31 | lch_ | it looks like it just doesn't have enough buttons |
| 08:41:06 | lch_ | and you need some weedy external box in order to use usb or power |
| 08:41:45 | amiconn | Yes, and line in/out |
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| 08:48:59 | lch_ | is the touchpad ui on the gigabeat pretty slick with rockbox? |
| 08:49:06 | lch_ | or is it sadly clunky? |
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| 08:50:07 | LinusN | lch_: try it out |
| 08:50:39 | lch_ | LinusN: besides buying a gigabeat and installing rockbox... how would I do that? |
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| 08:51:34 | GodEater_ | lch_: well how would we know how you define "pretty slick" or "sadly clunkly" |
| 08:52:06 | amiconn | LinusN: Since the 1.8" hdd manufacturers all seem to move towards zif connectors (or ce-ata), do you think it would be possible to make a zif adapter for the irivers and iaudios? |
| 08:52:26 | amiconn | I.e. would such an adapter fit, or isn't there enough room? |
| 08:52:48 | LinusN | i'd say that it would be hard, not much room |
| 08:52:51 | * | amiconn doesn't remember right now, and also didn't fiddle with zif connectors yet |
| 08:53:30 | GodEater_ | amiconn: I only changed the battery in my H140 recently, and from that experience I'd say there's absolutely no room at all |
| 08:53:51 | LinusN | amiconn: but worth a try... |
| 08:54:12 | * | amiconn wonders why there are meanwhile 4 different connectors for 1.8" HHDs |
| 08:54:18 | amiconn | *HDDs |
| 08:54:33 | LinusN | you would have to solder the strip right onto the adapter board |
| 08:55:01 | lch_ | GodEater_: I guess I should be more specific. does the rockbox port only support tapping, to simulate button presses, or does it do stuff with press-and-drag? |
| 08:55:18 | GodEater_ | it only supports tapping currently |
| 08:55:29 | GodEater_ | there are plans to maybe use press and drag |
| 08:55:30 | LinusN | and there would still not be much room for the adapter |
| 08:55:41 | GodEater_ | but we don't know what to use it for yet :) |
| 08:55:45 | amiconn | Hmm, that could be an alternative |
| 08:55:59 | amiconn | Iirc the hdd is connected via a flexible strip in the iaudios |
| 08:56:02 | LinusN | i'd have to compare the dimensions of the two hard drives |
| 08:56:10 | amiconn | One could replace the whole strip |
| 08:56:46 | GodEater_ | this sounds like pretty drastic work with a soldering iron =/ |
| 08:56:47 | LinusN | iaudio x5 should be much easier than h100 |
| 08:57:07 | * | GodEater_ lacks l33t soldering skills |
| 08:57:08 | lch_ | GodEater_: how are the buttons mapped on the WPS? |
| 08:57:36 | GodEater_ | lch_: you'd best consult that manual for an accurate listing - I couldn't recite them off the top of my head |
| 08:57:40 | lch_ | me too−−I spent hours today trying to fix the dc power socket on my iriver, and have finally given up |
| 08:57:42 | GodEater_ | s/that/the |
| 08:57:43 | LinusN | food for thought |
| 08:58:45 | amiconn | That raises the question where to get the base material for flexible pcbs |
| 08:58:48 | GodEater_ | is Antoine Cellerier a new developer? |
| 08:59:00 | * | GodEater_ doesn't recall seeing the name before |
| 08:59:08 | amiconn | I tried to find such material recently (for a completely different purpose), but failed :( |
| 08:59:16 | amiconn | GodEater: nope |
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| 09:00:09 | scorche | GodEater: that is dionoea i believe |
| 09:00:14 | GodEater_ | ahhh |
| 09:00:24 | GodEater_ | not in the nick list on the wiki |
| 09:00:32 | GodEater_ | so I couldn't work it out on my own |
| 09:00:40 | B4gder | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978/contributors/23419 :-) |
| 09:00:51 | amiconn | Yes, and he's been around for years. #83 in CREDITS |
| 09:01:54 | * | B4gder likes the "comment ratio" ;-) |
| 09:02:35 | lch_ | does the ipod port support using the scroll wheel to pick your volume / seek in the current track / scroll through menus, as the native ipod roms do? |
| 09:02:41 | amiconn | Wow, these people at ohloh seem to have too much time |
| 09:03:00 | B4gder | amiconn: they do seem to have some sort of business idea... |
| 09:03:12 | scorche | lch_: not seek |
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| 09:09:39 | lch_ | well, thanks for the facts; I still haven't made up my mind tho |
| 09:09:40 | lch_ | g'night |
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| 09:19:36 | petur | goodmorning austriancoder, how's usb today? ;) |
| 09:20:57 | austriancoder | petur: quite good... I have some basic stuff... interface for ep management and at the moment i am looking the for a good way to handle irq's from usb hardware |
| 09:21:49 | petur | using the wasabi stack as base? |
| 09:22:39 | * | austriancoder thinks rockbox needs a simple doubly linked list implementation |
| 09:23:12 | B4gder | I've been thinking about borrowing some list stuff from the linux kernel |
| 09:23:21 | B4gder | but I've never gotten around to actually do it |
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| 09:23:45 | austriancoder | petur: as wasabi is only for otg, and I want to test my hardware interface for device mode, so i have not done anything with wasabi |
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| 09:24:00 | austriancoder | B4gder: sounds like a good idea :) |
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| 09:26:11 | petur | austriancoder: I'm kicking it around a bit, I hope to get it do the host stuff I want pretty soon. Yesterday, I managed to get some stand-alone code start up an attached device (no transfers), and the same code failed after I let wasabi init the chip. So I feel that if I find the issue in the wasabi init, I may get usbotg rolling... |
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| 09:27:17 | * | petur kicks payed work for making him do overtime |
| 09:27:49 | * | austriancoder hopes to get some basic device stack working today... |
| 09:29:01 | JdGordon | hey all, does ayone mind If 1 letter in one of the fonts is changed sightly to make it more readbale? |
| 09:29:26 | petur | readbale :) |
| 09:29:35 | B4gder | readbale is good |
| 09:29:45 | B4gder | *g* |
| 09:30:36 | JdGordon | beh, readable... |
| 09:30:51 | JdGordon | beh = something between meh and bah :p |
| 09:30:59 | * | pondlife preferred readbale anyway |
| 09:31:29 | JdGordon | so, ah, yes or no? |
| 09:32:01 | B4gder | lots of font stuff have been fixed before, I don't see why we would mind now |
| 09:32:22 | B4gder | improvements == good imo |
| 09:33:17 | JdGordon | ok cool, ill do that a bit later then |
| 09:40:12 | JdGordon | Zagor: hey, can you add a line at the top of flyspray to tell people not to post comments saying a patch isnt in sync anymore? |
| 09:40:50 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: still round? |
| 09:46:37 | Zagor | JdGordon: I'll do even better: a line of text just above the comment box |
| 09:47:08 | JdGordon | :) just getting sick of those comments |
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| 09:51:01 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: yus |
| 09:51:13 | JdGordon | hey |
| 09:51:30 | jhMikeS | what's up? |
| 09:51:38 | JdGordon | is the priority yield really nesaccery? Removing it seems to make the whole thing work |
| 09:52:17 | JdGordon | I actually pinged you because I got confused at what volume you were talking about in the comment :) im fiddling wit the iit sequence to see if that fixes anything |
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| 09:52:32 | jhMikeS | yes, it'll show that is it is. why there should be trouble with that makes no sense. |
| 09:53:30 | JdGordon | just got the EC_COMMAND panic :( |
| 09:53:35 | jhMikeS | do you mean just having no yield? |
| 09:54:21 | JdGordon | no, after fiddling with the init |
| 09:54:46 | jhMikeS | I was talking about your comment about removing it |
| 09:55:52 | JdGordon | yeah, removing the yield doesnt cause any extra problems |
| 09:55:55 | jhMikeS | I'm guessing the yield can make a timeout occur and it's really not in the right place anyway. More generous timeout is probably called for anyway. |
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| 10:00:04 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I'm shooting in the dark about some stuff atm anyway. I need the SD card info to see what really _should_ be done. |
| 10:03:50 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Why don't you like a "this patch is out of sync" comment in flyspray? IMO, it's useful to have that information in the task so people who are not capable of syncing it know to not attempt to apply it. It also tells a potential committer the current status. |
| 10:04:39 | petur | austriancoder: that wasabi stack should be able to do both host, device and otg, but I guess the device part is much simpler than host and otg... If we don't need wasabi I'll probably do the host stuff on my own then ( I had kind of hoped you would take a stack that does both host and device (like wasabi) and do the integration stuff so that I only had to focus on getting the isp1362 stuff working) |
| 10:05:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: they annoy me because either the devs are still workin on it, so they know its out of sync, or a potential commiter would realisewhent hey try patching it... |
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| 10:06:20 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Only a tiny number of patches are currently being actively developed - in general, people post and run. |
| 10:06:45 | linuxstb_ | I agree for those kinds of patches, constant "out of sync" messages could be annoying, but in general I think they're helpful. |
| 10:07:25 | JdGordon | OK, yeah I guess that makes sense.. |
| 10:08:27 | austriancoder | petur: at the moment i am only doing a proof-of-conecpt to see how it could work.. I only want to get Standard-Requests working. Then, I will look how to integrate it into wasabi. One thing i dint like that much about wasabi is that its source code is not well formated. You can conzentrate on wokring n isp3292 stuff... hope this is okay for you |
| 10:08:52 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: seems odd the problems only come when using the second card. I'm using the driver right now but no card and things seem to run...but it's not the pure patch. |
| 10:09:32 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: But Zagor obviously agreed with you, and no-one else objected... |
| 10:09:42 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: I guess the internal chip is much faster than the external one which could cause the problem? |
| 10:10:31 | jhMikeS | could be...is there any difference in buffering speed between them? |
| 10:10:54 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: actually, I think the thing that really pisses me off is getting emails about the patches that they know full well has not ben forgotten about |
| 10:11:15 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: no idea... have we got any way to test that? |
| 10:11:49 | jhMikeS | a steady 1,2,3...and the audio debug screen :) |
| 10:12:17 | jhMikeS | same data from both sources of course |
| 10:12:40 | petur | austriancoder: I agree on the wasabi code formatting ;) But as the code isn't actively developed, we can make it our own and clean up as we go. In fact, my hacking around has made it worse :D |
| 10:13:11 | austriancoder | petur: this sounds like a very good idea |
| 10:13:51 | Zagor | JdGordon, linuxstb_: message removed again, it didn't feel quite right after all. ping me again if it becomes a problem. |
| 10:14:09 | austriancoder | petur: If I can react on interrupts from sansas hardware, I can tell you more about the device driver side |
| 10:15:14 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: Ive added some code so we can at least try to be scientific about it :p |
| 10:15:30 | JdGordon | have to get the same tracks on both... gimme a few min and ill let you know how I go |
| 10:15:35 | petur | austriancoder: I would also think it is a good idea if you would write down what you're doing in a wiki page so that it is easier for me to follow up. Just a short progress report, better updated frequently with short notices than write a lot every week. If you get the idea ;) |
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| 10:16:23 | austriancoder | petur: no problem.. i have here some handdrawings... will scan them and put them online |
| 10:16:37 | petur | good |
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| 10:18:23 | jhMikeS | maybe a small plugin to benchmark transfers? |
| 10:20:40 | * | jhMikeS actually added yielding to both loops with a rearrangement of code and everything seems to still run ok |
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| 10:21:49 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: no, added a counter to the playback buffering function |
| 10:22:00 | JdGordon | me put the timer display on the wrong debug screen tohhuogh |
| 10:22:10 | JdGordon | hwcoded instead fo swcodec accidently :p |
| 10:22:46 | pixelma | jhMikeS, JdGordon: there is the test_disk plugin to measure these things I believe (not a 100% sure that's what you're looking for though). AFAIK the svn version only works with the internal memory but amiconn send me one which measures MMC on the Ondio - don't know what's involved to get it working. |
| 10:23:00 | austriancoder | what do you think of using a double linked list, for isr? Something like, register_irq/isp(GPIO_PORT, PIN, function_pointer); Then in system-**.c setup for every gpio a list. If an interrupt on a GPIO happen, look on which pin and call all registerd isr routines |
| 10:23:23 | JdGordon | pixelma: ah, thanks |
| 10:25:46 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: why doubly linked? all ports need polling anyway |
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| 10:27:04 | * | petur wonders who needs to move backwards in a list of chained irq routines |
| 10:27:11 | jhMikeS | frankly an array would be fine since the list is pretty much stable...and PIN must be a bitmask |
| 10:28:24 | pixelma | btw. with MMCs there are very noticeable differences in the cards themselves maybe that applays to (micro)SD as well? |
| 10:28:30 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: why do all ports need pooling? I thought cpu says that there is an interupt and general irq routine is called.. now in rockbox main irc call we can look for the source and call all registerd function pointers... array is okay and PIN == bitmask |
| 10:28:33 | austriancoder | ;) |
| 10:29:37 | jhMikeS | you only know a GPIO interrupt occurred, not which one caused it until inspecting each GPIOx_INT_STAT |
| 10:30:59 | jhMikeS | I suppose multiple GPIO interrupts could happen at once as well |
| 10:31:02 | austriancoder | okay |
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| 10:32:41 | linuxstb | safetydan: Oops, sorry about posting that comment to your sorting tags post at the same time you posted a patch which did what my comment was describing... |
| 10:32:59 | jhMikeS | pixelma: I've been under the impression it's the same memory chips but maybe not :| |
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| 10:35:38 | pondlife | oops, red. |
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| 10:41:54 | pondlife | Hmm, anyone able to see what I borked? |
| 10:42:19 | pondlife | the Archos sims fail to link - undefined reference to `_talk_menus_enabled. |
| 10:42:29 | pondlife | But talk.c is included (well, talk_id links ok). |
| 10:43:24 | pondlife | Something stupid that I can't see on a Monday morning I hope. |
| 10:43:27 | dionoea | Hello. pixelma did you get your minesweeper keymap change for iPod to compile again? |
| 10:43:38 | austriancoder | whats the difference betwwen DEBUGF and LOGF? |
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| 10:44:23 | pondlife | LOGF logs to memory, DEBUF to a file... |
| 10:44:32 | pondlife | DEBUGF, even. |
| 10:46:00 | austriancoder | pondlife: thanks |
| 10:46:02 | linuxstb | pondlife: talk.c is surrounded by #if !defined(SIMULATOR) || CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC in apps/SOURCES, so it won't be included in HWCODEC sims. |
| 10:47:21 | amiconn | pondlife: Re the red sims - the hwcodec sims have no audio, hence no voice either. |
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| 10:54:13 | austriancoder | no partion found... whats going on with my sansa :( |
| 10:54:57 | amiconn | DEBUGF doesn't log to a file. In the sim it logs to the console, on target it's only usable when there is some interface to gdb. On archos you can use the serial i/f, and afaik on iFP there is an usb i/f. No other targets offer DEBUGF support afaik |
| 10:55:31 | pondlife | Whilst it's a bit useless with no audio, could I not remove the #if !defined(SIMULATOR) stuff. That would be the easiest fix, and I always prefer to remove #ifdef SIMULATORS... Voice file memory allocation should be simulated, if not playback... |
| 10:56:08 | austriancoder | amiconn: build rockbock with logf support |
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| 10:58:43 | * | preglow back |
| 10:59:55 | markun | welcome back :) |
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| 11:00:28 | pondlife | Or I can just add the stubs in .. oh, how I love stubs :/ |
| 11:02:30 | preglow | thankee |
| 11:02:55 | GodEater_ | Heh - I see the Zunelinux post when precisely nowhere over the weekend |
| 11:03:00 | GodEater_ | s/when/went |
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| 11:04:44 | safetydan | linuxstb: no worries. Should have done it in the first place anyway. |
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| 11:15:24 | markun | GodEater_: my guess is that he expected us to say "Great idea! We will all buy zunes and do all the work" |
| 11:16:18 | GodEater_ | markun: heheh - yep |
| 11:16:19 | scorche | im sure if he ever got a few developers to do all of the work for him, he would take all of the credit as "founder of the zunelinux project" |
| 11:16:34 | markun | of course |
| 11:16:38 | GodEater_ | I also noticed Zunepet has already posted in the zunelinux forums following the "BIG NEWS UPDATE" mp3 |
| 11:16:39 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ok with my really bad testing method.. it seems the sd card is twice as fst as the internal ! |
| 11:16:49 | scorche | GodEater: yeah...that was amusing |
| 11:16:51 | GodEater_ | so I'm guessing he doesn't really want to speak to him |
| 11:17:04 | GodEater_ | since Zunepet was less than complimentary :) |
| 11:18:04 | scorche | i love how they have posts asking for oink invites on their forums as well... |
| 11:18:21 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: ummm...hmmmm....shame on SanDisk :) |
| 11:18:22 | scorche | not to mention most everyone on there are wannabe youngsters ;) |
| 11:18:36 | markun | He's so modest :) http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=121&pid=1290#pid1290 |
| 11:18:59 | GodEater_ | markun: I assume that's the "I ate at Taco Bell forever to save money" post ? |
| 11:19:12 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yeah, na it must be wrong.. im fiddling with test_disk to get it t test both drives now |
| 11:19:16 | * | jhMikeS is a wanna-not-be quite so oldster |
| 11:19:18 | scorche | "OK, so from now on, Fridays will generally be my announcement day. You're not guaranteed a blockbuster announcement (obviously) but I'll let you know exactly what is going on. Hopefully this will silence some of the critics of this project." hehe |
| 11:19:37 | GodEater_ | scorche: yeah - so his announcement this week was that there will be announcements |
| 11:19:41 | GodEater_ | very informative |
| 11:20:00 | GodEater_ | I can barely wait till next Friday |
| 11:20:20 | scorche | i love how he is prioritizing the money donated to go towards buying a vBulletin license to "attract developers to the site" |
| 11:20:27 | GodEater_ | which will probably announce he's suspending the annoucements due to a stomach bug picked up at Taco Bell |
| 11:22:32 | GodEater_ | he must travel a lot too - to attend classes fulltime at 7 universities |
| 11:22:38 | scorche | GodEater: i love the post after the linked one = |
| 11:22:40 | scorche | p |
| 11:22:58 | GodEater_ | hehehe yeah :) |
| 11:23:36 | scorche | hahaha "I'll be sending you all a client shortly to aid in a distributed crack of the Zune key." |
| 11:23:50 | scorche | even if he had 100 clients...does he have any idea how long that would take? |
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| 11:25:33 | GodEater_ | scorche: lets face it, he has no idea about anything |
| 11:25:51 | scorche | aye, but it is amusing =) |
| 11:26:01 | GodEater_ | endlessly yes |
| 11:27:37 | dionoea | this kind of reminds me the wiili.org website ... they got lots of donations but didn't do anything with it. Kind of suspicious |
| 11:27:42 | dionoea | (Linux on Wii) |
| 11:27:44 | pondlife | Indeed - the "Official release of Zune Linux and global release party. (TBA) " cracks me up every time.. |
| 11:28:04 | pondlife | The Fundraiser thread is the most active one... |
| 11:29:00 | petur | show us your wiili :) |
| 11:29:46 | scorche | hmmm...anyone have anything that would be good to talk about for DCW? |
| 11:30:23 | scorche | (just curious if there was anything else people would want discussed) |
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| 11:31:54 | JdGordon | is there a wiki page for test_disk results? |
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| 11:36:06 | JdGordon | ! test_disk seems to agree.. my sd card is faster than the internal storage |
| 11:39:14 | dionoea | Any idea about the difference in power consumption for the SD card compared to the harddrive ? (If that's a target with a harddrive) |
| 11:40:24 | JdGordon | no idea |
| 11:40:40 | JdGordon | the internal storage is up to 8gb though and the sd is only as much as 2gb cards |
| 11:41:27 | JdGordon | although, we arn't using dma for the disk access are we? prob why its so slow |
| 11:42:17 | preglow | i've seen 4 gig cards |
| 11:42:55 | preglow | has anyone figured out how portalplayer dma works? |
| 11:43:59 | linuxstb | MrH wrote a short description of it, but I don't think anyone has got it working. (I think it's in his NAND flash document on Bagder's site) |
| 11:44:23 | preglow | he's a saint, i tell you |
| 11:46:52 | JdGordon | hmm.. its only small files which the sd card is faster at.. the big ones are about the same speed |
| 11:49:45 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you have any idea if it's faster on PP to do ldm/stm operations, or to try and do individual ldr/str commands and interleave them with register-only operations? |
| 11:49:46 | amiconn | Split block problem... same as on MMC |
| 11:50:06 | amiconn | JdGordon: I take it you're measuring on an e200 with 4gb internal chips? |
| 11:50:21 | JdGordon | 2gb internal; |
| 11:50:56 | JdGordon | I assume the numberin he brackets is the filesize? |
| 11:53:24 | JdGordon | 512byte tests are al faster with he external card, and 1mb unaligned also |
| 11:53:32 | JdGordon | all* the* |
| 11:55:56 | amiconn | And what external card? 1GB? |
| 11:56:31 | JdGordon | yeah |
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| 11:56:55 | JdGordon | tested 2 of them, both very similar speeds |
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| 12:06:11 | preglow | linuxstb: ldm/stm should be faster |
| 12:06:18 | preglow | linuxstb: what would the point of them be if not? |
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| 12:12:41 | preglow | how does sansa charging work? usb? |
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| 12:13:46 | PaulJam | amiconn: you were earlier asking about ZIF connector drives in irivers and iaudios. someone posted this on MR some time ago: http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf |
| 12:14:00 | PaulJam | i thought it might interest you. |
| 12:16:01 | linuxstb | preglow: I guess my question is whether the CPU will continue processing and execute a register-only instruction before the ldr/str is completed? |
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| 12:22:35 | austriancoder | preglow: yes... usb |
| 12:23:19 | preglow | linuxstb: not the ipod cpu, arm9 and above might |
| 12:23:46 | preglow | austriancoder: does it start up when inserting usb, or just start charging silently? |
| 12:24:47 | preglow | linuxstb: i think doing ldm/stm would be faster anyway if you actually need to do sequantial accesses, each ldr/str is a three cycle (ideally) deal, ldm is num_reg + 2 cycles ideally, or something |
| 12:25:00 | austriancoder | preglow: if player is off and you connect usb to it, the original fw will be loaded and usb mode starts.. if the player is in rockbox.. usb screen will come and nothing more.. |
| 12:25:03 | preglow | linuxstb: and i don't think more than one cycle will be shaved off ldr/str on arm9, but i don't know |
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| 12:25:42 | preglow | austriancoder: so rockbox does not handle charging yet? what i'm looking for is pretty much the ipod behaviour where if you plug usb when it's off, rockbox starts and charges |
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| 12:26:11 | austriancoder | charging is done when usb is connected... in usb mode |
| 12:26:56 | preglow | ok, so no rockbox charging yet |
| 12:27:04 | preglow | how's the usb gsoc stuff coming along, btw? :) |
| 12:28:08 | JdGordon | amiconn: im bored, can you explain your viewports idea to me so I can have a play? |
| 12:28:14 | austriancoder | preglow: it should charge under rockbox too.. (when you see rockbox usb logo) |
| 12:28:44 | austriancoder | preglow: at the moment i am wokring to get standard usb requests working |
| 12:28:54 | preglow | oh, ok, but it doesn't boot to rockbox if you insert usb when it's off? is that changable? |
| 12:30:11 | preglow | brb |
| 12:31:24 | austriancoder | correct.. it does not boot rockbox.. but charing is then done in original fw in usb mode |
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| 12:33:22 | austriancoder | Rockbox does not start: No partiton :( If i use a prebuild from http://build.rockbox.org/ it boots... |
| 12:35:05 | austriancoder | I reinstalled compiler and co with tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 12:38:30 | nls | austriancoder: the obvious question, have you made any modifications to your source? |
| 12:42:11 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7286 ? |
| 12:43:48 | * | nls wants coldfire testers for FS #7264 |
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| 12:53:55 | aLtair27 | godeater please respond |
| 12:54:08 | aLtair27 | i need someone to help me.. |
| 12:56:11 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: check the forum post again =) |
| 12:57:30 | aLtair27 | ok! |
| 12:57:37 | GodEater_ | you can respond here though |
| 12:57:40 | GodEater_ | it's probably easier |
| 12:59:12 | aLtair27 | ahe |
| 12:59:15 | aLtair27 | i think so |
| 12:59:24 | aLtair27 | but also i already posted |
| 12:59:37 | GodEater_ | yes, but you also said you'd drained the battery |
| 12:59:48 | GodEater_ | I was trying to work out if it had run out now or not |
| 12:59:51 | GodEater_ | clearly it hasn't |
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| 13:00:05 | GodEater_ | otherwise it wouldn't still be displaying that text |
| 13:00:39 | aLtair27 | i drained it but after charging it still gives that message |
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| 13:00:57 | GodEater_ | so how long have you held the menu+select combo ? |
| 13:01:46 | aLtair27 | about 15-20 secs |
| 13:01:48 | aLtair27 | -_- |
| 13:01:59 | GodEater_ | hold it longer |
| 13:02:08 | GodEater_ | and make SURE you do the hold on->off trick first |
| 13:02:12 | aLtair27 | o |
| 13:02:15 | aLtair27 | i didi it |
| 13:02:20 | aLtair27 | is says now do not disconnect |
| 13:02:25 | GodEater_ | ta da |
| 13:02:31 | aLtair27 | almost 3 mins i help the menu selct combo |
| 13:02:32 | GodEater_ | now copy the files over you missed first time |
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| 13:02:48 | aLtair27 | ok now where should i start |
| 13:02:53 | safetydan | nls: is there any other way to let gcc optimise memcpy/memset without the wrapper functions in each plugin? |
| 13:03:00 | aLtair27 | sorry im slow in responding cuz im not that good in english |
| 13:03:10 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: take the rockbox.zip, and unzip it to the root of your ipod |
| 13:03:39 | GodEater_ | as it says to do in section 2.2.2 of the manual |
| 13:03:45 | aLtair27 | so i have to download it in download section right? |
| 13:03:57 | GodEater_ | the "current builds" section |
| 13:04:11 | linuxstb | safetydan: Put them in the plugin lib? |
| 13:04:22 | nls | safetydan: well, they could be placed in some included file or we could try to find every place where gcc tries to call memcpy/memset and call them through the plugin api explicitly... |
| 13:04:23 | GodEater_ | download the ipod Video 64MB build for you ipod aLtair27 |
| 13:04:45 | preglow | linuxstb: i have, and am planning to have a look at that and the musepack patch later today |
| 13:04:48 | preglow | hopefully commit |
| 13:05:00 | aLtair27 | mine is 5.5g 80gig so i'll download 64mb build? |
| 13:05:01 | GodEater_ | if I had a penny for every time someone said "I've bricked my iPod" |
| 13:05:11 | GodEater_ | I'd have about 17 pence |
| 13:05:16 | preglow | sweet lord, it's hot |
| 13:05:31 | nls | preglow: aye :-) |
| 13:05:37 | aLtair27 | btw how can i remove the first program i installed i think it should be removed and start again |
| 13:05:46 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: just leave it alone |
| 13:05:50 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: it's fine |
| 13:05:58 | aLtair27 | ok ^^ |
| 13:07:35 | aLtair27 | ok now what should i do nxt? |
| 13:07:44 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: I've said twice now :) |
| 13:08:03 | GodEater_ | if you're still in doubt - re-read section 2.2.2 of the manual |
| 13:08:37 | aLtair27 | yeah im gonna put it in my iPod_control folder right? |
| 13:08:41 | GodEater_ | no |
| 13:08:45 | GodEater_ | it doesn't say to put it there |
| 13:08:49 | aLtair27 | xD |
| 13:09:15 | GodEater_ | also read section 2.2.3 :) |
| 13:09:53 | aLtair27 | yeah currently downloading new copy haha lol |
| 13:10:34 | GodEater_ | @everyone in general - anyone know why there's no pdf version of the ipod video manual ? |
| 13:10:51 | GodEater_ | or more specifically - why there's no link to it |
| 13:11:06 | B4gder | hm |
| 13:11:30 | B4gder | ah, I wonder if that broke when we added the 64mb... |
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| 13:11:59 | GodEater_ | in the words of Honk Kong Phooey - "could be..." |
| 13:12:09 | GodEater_ | or perhaps Hong Kong Phooey |
| 13:12:25 | * | GodEater_ goes to buy typing lessons |
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| 13:13:10 | B4gder | it's too late to learn, let's blame the kids of today instead |
| 13:15:03 | GodEater_ | them and their new-fangled computermabobs |
| 13:15:42 | * | GodEater_ realises he still attributed the quote wrong anyway - it was "Henry, the mild-mannered janitor" who said that. |
| 13:16:15 | aLtair27 | godeater im actually confused cant relate im confused in what part am i now of installation? |
| 13:16:32 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: you've already done section 2.2.4 |
| 13:16:40 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: you need to make sure you now do 2.2.3 |
| 13:16:52 | aLtair27 | thanks |
| 13:17:41 | GodEater_ | alberink: also - don't bother doing section 2.2.4 again - once is enough |
| 13:18:01 | GodEater_ | oops, wrong nick |
| 13:18:12 | aLtair27 | what does root of your player mean? |
| 13:18:21 | aLtair27 | i mean specificaly in what folder? |
| 13:18:33 | B4gder | ipod video pdf fixed |
| 13:18:43 | nls | safetydan: I think finding out where gcc calls memcpy and memset and calling them explicitly ourselves is going to be a lot of work and rewriting... what do you think? |
| 13:18:45 | GodEater_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_directory |
| 13:19:01 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: are you running windows on your PC ? |
| 13:19:02 | aLtair27 | ^^ |
| 13:19:05 | aLtair27 | yup |
| 13:19:12 | aLtair27 | windows XP SP2 |
| 13:19:18 | GodEater_ | then the folder is just the drive letter your iPod is connected as |
| 13:19:26 | GodEater_ | so if you iPod appears as "I:\" |
| 13:19:34 | aLtair27 | F:/ |
| 13:19:35 | GodEater_ | then that's the "root" of your iPod |
| 13:19:42 | safetydan | nls: would linuxstb's suggestion work? |
| 13:19:42 | GodEater_ | well that's where you unzip to then |
| 13:19:45 | aLtair27 | so i'll have to put it directly |
| 13:19:59 | aLtair27 | ^6 |
| 13:20:08 | * | GodEater_ wonders whether we should have a diagram for this in the manual |
| 13:20:14 | GodEater_ | B4gder: thanks for fixing the manual |
| 13:20:43 | aLtair27 | so i'll put .rockbox on my F:/ |
| 13:20:52 | aLtair27 | wew |
| 13:20:58 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: correct |
| 13:21:01 | aLtair27 | im lucky that godeater is born |
| 13:21:02 | aLtair27 | =) |
| 13:21:07 | nls | safetydan: I must be blind, or left my memory somwhere else, 'cause I don't know of any suggestion from linuxstb... |
| 13:21:17 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: you're also lucky you caught me in a good mood ;) |
| 13:21:27 | safetydan | nls: [21:04] <linuxstb> safetydan: Put them in the plugin lib? |
| 13:21:50 | aLtair27 | haha |
| 13:22:01 | aLtair27 | then now im done? |
| 13:22:06 | nls | safetydan: yes, that would work, do you think it's cleaner? |
| 13:22:18 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: yep - you can safely reboot your iPod now |
| 13:22:26 | aLtair27 | wew |
| 13:22:34 | safetydan | nls: well the thing I'm checking at the moment is if it actually makes any difference to the plugins. The assembler output for the jpeg plugin doesn't look at that different. |
| 13:22:45 | dionoea | Isn't rbutil supposed to make that installation process easier ? |
| 13:23:10 | GodEater_ | dionoea: yes |
| 13:23:24 | GodEater_ | dionoea: I keep forgetting to send people there. |
| 13:23:35 | dionoea | hehe |
| 13:23:40 | GodEater_ | is rbutil ready to replace the install section in our manual yet ? |
| 13:23:49 | aLtair27 | Disk mode ok to disconnect |
| 13:23:51 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: ping |
| 13:23:52 | aLtair27 | then? |
| 13:23:55 | aLtair27 | reboot again? |
| 13:23:58 | * | dionoea doesn't know. I only tried it yesterday |
| 13:23:59 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: yes |
| 13:24:26 | GodEater_ | dionoea: I've not actually used it to do an install myself yet either |
| 13:25:31 | * | GodEater_ waits for the obligatory "it looks horrible" question from aLtair27 next. |
| 13:26:29 | safetydan | nls: have you measured any performance increase with the mem function wrappers in plugins? |
| 13:27:21 | nls | safetydan: no, not at all, I put them there to make the plugins link when building with -Os |
| 13:27:41 | aLtair27 | wohoooooooo |
| 13:27:50 | aLtair27 | thanks to GodEater |
| 13:27:52 | aLtair27 | haha |
| 13:27:54 | aLtair27 | =) |
| 13:28:04 | linuxstb | safetydan: The problem with using the plugin lib is that you need to ensure the rb struct exists and is initialised before the mem* functions could be used. |
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| 13:28:31 | safetydan | linuxstb: true |
| 13:28:48 | aLtair27 | now i should still use iTunes for video and music transfer? |
| 13:28:59 | austriancoder | JdGordon: ping |
| 13:29:02 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: you can still use iTunes for music |
| 13:29:06 | safetydan | nls: so you're saying those are necessary for gcc to actually link the plugins with -Os? |
| 13:29:12 | aLtair27 | and for video? |
| 13:29:18 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: rockbox doesn't play back the videos that iTunes supports |
| 13:29:41 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: if you wish to watch videos in rockbox, you will need to read the PluginMpegPlayer wiki page |
| 13:29:54 | dionoea | or reboot to Apple's OS |
| 13:29:55 | nls | safetydan: yes, LD throws an "undefined reference blahblah" thing otherwise |
| 13:30:06 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: although I personally don't recommend it - the iPod Video is (ironically) the worst performing video target we have |
| 13:30:12 | aLtair27 | so means i cant play video w/ rockbox?? |
| 13:30:22 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: so I'd do as dionoea says, and watch them from apple os |
| 13:30:35 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: you *can*, you'll just have to do some work to make it happen |
| 13:30:50 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: and don't expect them to run as fast as they do when you're running apple os |
| 13:31:29 | aLtair27 | ohhh.. |
| 13:31:31 | aLtair27 | ic.. |
| 13:31:42 | aLtair27 | but if i install linux in my iPod |
| 13:31:47 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: for that matter, I Don't *recommend* using iTunes for anything. I don't personally. |
| 13:31:56 | aLtair27 | it's posible if i have 2 operating system in my iPod right? |
| 13:31:56 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: won't make a slight bit of difference |
| 13:32:09 | aLtair27 | so what should i use? |
| 13:32:11 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: if you install linux as well, you'll have THREE |
| 13:32:29 | GodEater_ | I'd just copy the files over using windows explorer myself |
| 13:33:15 | GodEater_ | but stick to iTunes if you plan to dual boot into the apple firmware |
| 13:33:17 | linuxstb | aLtair27: This page may answer some of your questions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 13:33:17 | GodEater_ | it's up to you |
| 13:33:26 | safetydan | nls: interesting, it links fine here without those functions |
| 13:34:00 | nls | safetydan: did you rerun configure? |
| 13:34:38 | * | safetydan looks embarrassed |
| 13:34:46 | GodEater_ | that'll be a "no" then |
| 13:34:47 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 13:34:49 | safetydan | nls: apparently no |
| 13:35:18 | preglow | hrm, does the sansa have an rtc? |
| 13:35:21 | amiconn | safetydan: gcc expects the environment to always provide 4 functions: memcpy, memset, memmove and memcmp. This is documented |
| 13:35:48 | amiconn | Linking might fail if these functions aren't provided, independent of -O level |
| 13:35:50 | nls | safetydan: ok, I have it working with mem_function_wrappers.[ch] in the plugin lib |
| 13:36:11 | safetydan | amiconn: yes but why would going from -O to -Os break things? |
| 13:36:25 | preglow | safetydan: because gcc will prioritise using mem* over inlining |
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| 13:36:38 | safetydan | preglow: ah okay |
| 13:37:16 | preglow | newer gccs have even more heuristics on this point, and will choose between several techniques |
| 13:37:39 | preglow | but it will always be a problem, i don't think there's anyway to disable using mem* |
| 13:37:41 | safetydan | How is Coldfire on GCC 4.x? |
| 13:37:44 | preglow | any way |
| 13:38:02 | nls | preglow, amiconn: any objections to adding the wrappers to the plugin lib? |
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| 13:38:47 | Matteo_M | hi there |
| 13:39:13 | Matteo_M | I'm having somo troubles installing rockbox on a h320 using OSX |
| 13:39:24 | Matteo_M | I'm not able to patch the firmware |
| 13:39:34 | petur | how? |
| 13:39:43 | preglow | nls: can't think of any good objections, no, the alternative is modifying code for each occurence |
| 13:39:53 | petur | ah right, OSX |
| 13:40:02 | Matteo_M | I read the manual but since I'm not a command line ninja I don't understand how to get it |
| 13:40:16 | dionoea | Matteo_M: did you try using rbutil? |
| 13:40:20 | GodEater_ | haha - command line ninja, that's a good one |
| 13:40:52 | Matteo_M | dionoea, no. tell me |
| 13:41:03 | dionoea | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 13:41:23 | dionoea | it's even got a dmg! |
| 13:41:55 | Matteo_M | yes I'm downloading |
| 13:42:00 | GodEater_ | dionoea: which is out of date ! |
| 13:42:01 | Matteo_M | I hope it works |
| 13:42:16 | dionoea | GodEater_: yeah ... hopefully that doesn't matter :) |
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| 13:42:30 | GodEater_ | I didn't know rbutil did the firmware patching too |
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| 13:43:01 | dionoea | maybe it doesn't ... but maybe it does :) |
| 13:43:08 | dionoea | I think that it does for iPods |
| 13:43:22 | linuxstb | It includes the fwpatcher code, so should do it. |
| 13:43:37 | linuxstb | I don't think that's been tested on a Mac yet though... |
| 13:43:53 | aLtair27 | godeaterrrr |
| 13:44:02 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: yeeeeeeeeees? |
| 13:44:10 | aLtair27 | XD |
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| 13:44:30 | Matteo_M | it seams to work, dionea |
| 13:44:36 | aLtair27 | my computer dont disconect my iPod i just copied a song to it directly |
| 13:44:37 | dionoea | nice :) |
| 13:45:07 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: you should have an "eject hardware" icon in the system tray to get it to disconnect it |
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| 13:45:52 | aLtair27 | The Device cannot be removed right now |
| 13:45:52 | aLtair27 | Xd |
| 13:46:00 | aLtair27 | please try again later |
| 13:46:01 | aLtair27 | errr |
| 13:46:05 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: try again, it does that to me sometimes |
| 13:46:09 | GodEater_ | second try usually does |
| 13:46:27 | dionoea | are you using any of the files on the device with some program ? |
| 13:46:37 | aLtair27 | actually it's my 3rd XD |
| 13:47:00 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: make sure you've closed all the explorer windows that are looking at it |
| 13:47:20 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: and also make sure you've shut down the iPod/iTunes services |
| 13:47:54 | aLtair27 | yeah right your good just ended it's process at task manager XD |
| 13:48:53 | aLtair27 | so im going to themes section now |
| 13:48:56 | aLtair27 | :) |
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| 13:51:57 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: it's probably worth you having a look at rbutil too (see the link above) it does theme installation too (although not all of them work like this) |
| 13:53:28 | JdGordon | austriancoder: pong |
| 13:53:48 | JdGordon | bounced on the side of the table.. austriancoder coder mises... JdGordon wins 22:20 :D |
| 13:54:10 | petur | JdGordon: pang |
| 13:54:45 | Matteo_M | dionoea, it doesn't work |
| 13:54:54 | austriancoder | JdGordon: could you help me with some irq stuff? |
| 13:54:54 | dionoea | :D |
| 13:55:01 | Matteo_M | or maybe I've doen it wrong |
| 13:55:14 | JdGordon | austriancoder: I can try |
| 13:55:19 | Matteo_M | It loaded the original firmware without patching it |
| 13:55:53 | dionoea | I can't help you more since i don't know the specifics for your target :) Someone else here might |
| 13:56:31 | petur | Matteo_M: is the hex file the same size as an unpatched one? |
| 13:57:43 | austriancoder | JdGordon: I want an interrupt for GPIOB port pin 4 (USB Connect) - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments#e200_GPIO - I tried it this way: http://rafb.net/p/57VIpC47.html ... the problem.. in a logf build the usb_irq is only called when wheel moves.. |
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| 13:59:45 | aLtair27 | godeater i can get themes from ipodwizard.net right? |
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| 14:00:00 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: I wouldn't have thought so - but perhaps ? |
| 14:00:25 | JdGordon | austriancoder: you dont have the irq reenabling stuff in the usb irq |
| 14:00:44 | JdGordon | the _INT_LEV and _INT_CLR lines |
| 14:00:56 | preglow | does the sansa have an rtc? |
| 14:01:02 | austriancoder | preglow: yes |
| 14:01:06 | preglow | wootness |
| 14:01:23 | austriancoder | JdGordon: hmmm.. okay.. will try it |
| 14:02:05 | preglow | austriancoder: standard pcf deal, or? |
| 14:02:25 | austriancoder | pcf? |
| 14:02:27 | * | aLtair27 slaps GodEater_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:02:34 | aLtair27 | wa |
| 14:02:35 | aLtair27 | xD |
| 14:02:46 | preglow | austriancoder: the chip that does rtc and power management in the ipod. i'm not too familiar with the sansa internals |
| 14:03:11 | austriancoder | preglow: as3514 does audio, power and rtc |
| 14:03:15 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 14:03:16 | austriancoder | in sansa |
| 14:03:57 | austriancoder | JdGordon: does this look okay? |
| 14:03:59 | austriancoder | /* reenable irq */ GPIOB_INT_LEV = (GPIOB_INT_LEV & ~0x10); GPIOB_INT_CLR = GPIOB_INT_STAT & 0x10; |
| 14:04:45 | JdGordon | not sure... I copied it straight from the button irq handler... |
| 14:06:02 | JdGordon | the _CLR part is wrong though I tinhk |
| 14:06:15 | JdGordon | sorry.. |
| 14:06:16 | JdGordon | hmm... |
| 14:07:32 | JdGordon | yeah, that might be right.. as long as the irq is only for when the bit goes high (i think) |
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| 14:11:20 | aLtair27 | godeater how can i put themes in my rockbox iPod i can put it directly or should i use iPodWizard?? |
| 14:17:02 | JdGordon | austriancoder: wasnt 7138 commited? |
| 14:17:07 | JdGordon | sholdnt it be closed?. |
| 14:17:54 | aLtair27 | anybody can teach me to put a theme in rockbox? |
| 14:17:56 | austriancoder | JdGordon: i have commited only a little part of the whole.. so stay it as open.. |
| 14:18:00 | JdGordon | oh ok |
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| 14:25:45 | petur | aLtair27: use rbutil or just unzip the theme on your player and then 'Browse Theme' on your player |
| 14:28:16 | aLtair27 | wow |
| 14:28:19 | aLtair27 | thanks! |
| 14:34:14 | aLtair27 | anyone here again? how to have different OS in my Pod? |
| 14:34:23 | aLtair27 | is it just the iPodLoader i need? |
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| 14:35:43 | GodEater_ | bloody ssh connection |
| 14:35:58 | * | GodEater_ wonders if there was any more git based discussion he's missed in the last few days |
| 14:36:40 | aLtair27 | godeater! |
| 14:36:42 | aLtair27 | haha |
| 14:37:18 | aLtair27 | how to install iPodLoader? |
| 14:37:41 | aLtair27 | sorry i really need a guide cuz sometimes i dont understand the english in some guides XD |
| 14:38:24 | GodEater_ | aLtair27: if you're talking about iPodLinux, then I have no idea - you'll have to ask in #ipodlinux |
| 14:39:47 | aLtair27 | take a look at this |
| 14:39:48 | aLtair27 | http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=23359 |
| 14:40:04 | aLtair27 | still about rockbox |
| 14:40:27 | aLtair27 | the first picture |
| 14:40:52 | GodEater_ | yes, the first picture is not a rockbox product |
| 14:40:58 | GodEater_ | it's an iPodLinux product |
| 14:41:02 | JdGordon | does the current recording code do any error checking on the filename it tries to write to? |
| 14:41:03 | GodEater_ | which we do not support here |
| 14:41:17 | aLtair27 | ohhh... |
| 14:41:21 | aLtair27 | i see.. |
| 14:42:23 | GodEater_ | none of the people in this channel see a point in a bootloader which displays a menu |
| 14:44:23 | petur | JdGordon: I don't think so |
| 14:47:56 | JdGordon | ok, thats what I was afraid of |
| 14:48:03 | * | JdGordon adding very very siomple directory checking |
| 14:50:35 | petur | well the call to the filesystem should/will fail |
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| 14:54:19 | JdGordon | petur: yeah, but the recording screen doesnt appear to actually make sure the file was created |
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| 14:56:01 | petur | JdGordon: I think in the current code the file is only created on first spin-up (I could be wrong there though - check with jhMikeS) |
| 14:57:25 | JdGordon | sounds about right, seen as it doesnt say "disk full" untill i press stop... |
| 14:57:40 | JdGordon | im putting the folder check in when the rec screen in entered, instead |
| 14:57:51 | JdGordon | so if it cant be created you cant record |
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| 15:01:20 | JdGordon | can someone please choose which of 6358 and 7222 to commit... both do the same thing - add proper filename checking to the fat driver.. and I think we need this bfore my recording dirs patch goes in |
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| 15:01:57 | JdGordon | LinusN: linuxstb: amiconn: B4gder: petur: anyone else:... ^ |
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| 15:09:42 | JdGordon | petur: pixelma: new rec path patch ready.. wanna test? |
| 15:10:27 | petur | JdGordon: serious lack of time here, I can remember the delayed write was there to reduce spinups which in term delayed recording start, so beware what you're changing there |
| 15:10:52 | * | petur reminds JdGordon he's at work and should be doing just that |
| 15:11:17 | JdGordon | bah, work... |
| 15:11:22 | petur | yea |
| 15:11:27 | petur | ;) |
| 15:11:38 | petur | it helps to pay the bills though |
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| 15:12:39 | * | JdGordon has no idea how to not check for the directory untill ready to write _and_ let the user know the directory isnt writable before they start |
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| 15:14:26 | petur | as long as you start recording before checking the file it should be ok. Previous code did it the other way around, so you could never enter the rec screen and start recording immediatly, so you missed several seconds if you were in a hurry |
| 15:15:15 | JdGordon | ok, better do some rearranging then |
| 15:16:20 | petur | BUT I don't know how this all works since jhMikeS changed stuff around |
| 15:16:48 | petur | could well be there's already a spinup due to encoader loading |
| 15:16:59 | petur | *encoder |
| 15:17:18 | JdGordon | ok, Ill ask him tomorow if i remember |
| 15:17:21 | amiconn | JdGordon: The main reason why file creation is delayed is to allow (short) mic recordings without spinup noise on hdd targets |
| 15:17:31 | amiconn | So this has to stray |
| 15:17:42 | petur | ah yes, that too |
| 15:18:35 | JdGordon | Then how can you say you want it to abort instead of write to / (if there is enough disk space) in the event it cant write to the user directory? |
| 15:18:41 | amiconn | And directory doesn't need to be checked with svn because either you selected /recordings, in which case the code tries to create it and if it fails, exists the recording screen or you selected current_dir, which always exists for obvious reasons |
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| 15:35:53 | nls | hmmm, if I add memcpy and memset wrappers to the pluginlib, the linker will link all plugins against them but the plugins need to call an init function to set the api pointer correctly for the mem* functions, if this call isn't in a plugin it will silently freeze when it tries to use one of the mem* functions... |
| 15:36:48 | nls | and the linker will not complain because it sees the mem* functions... |
| 15:39:53 | nls | and the real badness is because the compiler decides which plugins call these functions... |
| 15:41:52 | nls | maybe I should just put them in a macro and include that in every plugin that needs it... |
| 15:42:03 | * | nls keeps talking to himself ;-) |
| 15:42:56 | * | JdGordon just got a pm from an idiot who registered just 5 min ago askin for help |
| 15:42:58 | JdGordon | ! |
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| 17:35:37 | Veinor | I installed rockbox on my video iPod, and it froze; is there any way to force a reset? |
| 17:35:50 | pixie | hold menu and select |
| 17:35:54 | pixie | until it reboots |
| 17:36:10 | Veinor | ah, there we go. guess I wasn't holding it long enough. |
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| 17:41:30 | Veinor | ok, now I'm having issues with playlists |
| 17:41:56 | nls | Veinor: have you read the stuff about playlists in the manual? |
| 17:44:02 | Veinor | it's... less than helpful. |
| 17:44:23 | nls | Veinor: well, then how should it be improved? |
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| 17:46:15 | Veinor | ah, never mind, misread it. |
| 17:51:18 | Veinor | hmm. it's not seeing the playlists that I already had. |
| 17:52:29 | Veinor | also, when i go to 'view current playlist', I get file names like kpod0769573 |
| 17:52:56 | pixie | I keep misreading that manual too :P |
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| 17:53:48 | Veinor | I can't get Amarok to send playlists to it :-/ |
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| 17:54:56 | Veinor | is there any way to do so? |
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| 17:56:22 | Veinor | *poke* |
| 17:56:47 | petur | Rockbox uses simple m3u playlists |
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| 17:57:38 | Veinor | yes, and amarok can export them; so would I need to just export them to the /Playlists folder? |
| 17:57:56 | dionoea | to any folder |
| 17:58:56 | Veinor | the other thing that I'm noticing is that if I go to 'view current playlist', I get names like 'kpod' and then a bunch of numbers |
| 17:59:00 | dionoea | and then you just play them by selecting the playlist file in the file view |
| 17:59:11 | Veinor | right. |
| 17:59:47 | Veinor | is there any way to change the thing that displays in 'view current playlist', or is that a bug, or what? |
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| 18:00:17 | Veinor | ah, that appears to be the filename. |
| 18:01:18 | tedrock | where exactly do i look up error codes? everytime i pause a song i get a Data abort at 0002F72C |
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| 18:01:42 | dionoea | I doubt that this is an error code. Looks like an address in memory to me |
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| 18:01:49 | tedrock | oh i guess that makes sense |
| 18:01:52 | petur | it is |
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| 18:02:01 | tedrock | so maybe restore and then reinstall |
| 18:02:35 | petur | tedrock: using a recent bootloader and rockbox version, or upgraded one of them recently? And what ipod? |
| 18:03:13 | tedrock | 30g ipod video i downloaded and installed it all yesterday. i think it occured when i went from a recent version of rockbox to a daily version |
| 18:03:26 | tedrock | i tried to go back to the earlier verion which may not have helped the issue |
| 18:03:47 | * | petur summons ipod support |
| 18:03:52 | tedrock | ha |
| 18:03:53 | dionoea | works fine here :) |
| 18:04:05 | dionoea | are you using one of the unofficial builds ? |
| 18:04:24 | tedrock | nope. right from rockbox.org i tried yesterdays daily build |
| 18:04:48 | * | dionoea tries pausing |
| 18:05:04 | tedrock | figured that was maybe what caused it so i went back to the current build |
| 18:05:05 | dionoea | no data abort :( |
| 18:05:42 | * | dionoea doesn't know if that kind of bug can be codec specific |
| 18:06:16 | tedrock | i'm just trying it for the first time. i'm liking the idea and getting used to the whole thing. pretty sure i might keep using it after i work this out |
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| 18:07:14 | Llorean | tedrock: When did you first install, or last update, your bootloader? |
| 18:07:21 | tedrock | yesterday |
| 18:07:40 | Llorean | And which iPod? |
| 18:07:47 | * | Llorean hasn't been in the room for the whole conversation |
| 18:07:53 | tedrock | 30g ipod video |
| 18:07:57 | tedrock | 2nd gen |
| 18:08:10 | tedrock | the funny thing is i do tech support for apple :P |
| 18:08:34 | Llorean | And what kind of message are you getting? |
| 18:08:40 | tedrock | data abort |
| 18:08:44 | Llorean | Hm |
| 18:08:46 | tedrock | when i pause a song |
| 18:09:07 | tedrock | actually it also seems to happen when i'm playing and i feel the hard drive spin up |
| 18:09:11 | Llorean | Your best bet is to just post that to the patch tracker, with the address of the data abort. |
| 18:09:19 | Llorean | patch/bug tracker, rather |
| 18:09:25 | tedrock | got a link? :D |
| 18:09:33 | Llorean | It's the "bug" link on the left side of every page of the website |
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| 18:09:45 | tedrock | alright cool thanks |
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| 18:10:16 | tedrock | so if i were to reinstall would it be just delete .rockbox and put a new one on? do i need to run the bootloader again? |
| 18:10:21 | Llorean | The new code for the 80gb seems to not be 100% reliable, and your problem *might* relate to that |
| 18:10:32 | chrisjs169_ | anyone notice that on the newer sansas, the scrollwheel doesn't come off? |
| 18:10:40 | Llorean | You don't need to run the bootloader install again, but it's highly unlikely that a reinstall will change anything. |
| 18:11:14 | tedrock | i wish they made installing themes easier. |
| 18:11:49 | Llorean | Properly formatted themes are pretty easy to install. |
| 18:11:58 | Llorean | You just extract a zip, and point your extraction tool at the drive that is your player |
| 18:12:15 | Llorean | Or use RBUtil, which has a nice, easy graphical interface, to pick the themes you want, and it'll do it for you. |
| 18:12:41 | tedrock | see i did that for some and it just put a folder on the ipod with the theme name. but it probably wasn't properly formatted |
| 18:13:43 | Llorean | Since it's a wiki, it's hard for anyone to enforce proper formatting of the archive. But you could also try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 18:13:54 | tedrock | what should i call my ipod on the report to make it easier for people to understand what i have. i see ipod3g and stuff like that |
| 18:14:52 | tedrock | you folks are extremely helpful i thank you |
| 18:16:22 | Llorean | You have a 5G |
| 18:16:43 | tedrock | ok so that's all they need to know |
| 18:16:44 | Llorean | But in the report, mention that it's a 5.5G 30GB (5.5G is the common name around here for the Late 2006 model iPod Videos) |
| 18:16:54 | tedrock | yah i saw that somewhere |
| 18:17:44 | Veinor | Right now, if I go to 'view current playlist', I just get 'kpod' and then a bunch of numbers; is there a way to configure it to use the song title instead of the filename? |
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| 18:18:11 | Llorean | Veinor: Not at this time, no |
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| 18:18:19 | Llorean | An M3U playlist is simply a list of filenames. |
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| 18:19:18 | Llorean | I believe there's a patch that makes use of the database to do it though |
| 18:19:58 | Veinor | oh? |
| 18:21:24 | Llorean | Yeah, in the patch tracker somewhere. I've seen mention of it somewhere. |
| 18:22:32 | webguest52 | hello |
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| 18:23:56 | webguest52 | gf |
| 18:23:59 | webguest52 | j |
| 18:24:03 | steveire | Hey. |
| 18:24:26 | petur | Ho. |
| 18:24:31 | pondlife | Let's |
| 18:24:49 | steveire | Can I ask why the latest official builds don't support album art? I'm looking for a few themes, and they seem to require unofficial builds. |
| 18:25:23 | petur | sure |
| 18:25:40 | steveire | Also, I don't know if any developers are around, but rockbox is incredible. I just got an iAudio, and there's no way I could have used the firmware that it came with. |
| 18:26:40 | petur | the albumart is not implemented the way we want it so the patch is not accepted. But it is part of a google summer of code project to do it right |
| 18:27:51 | steveire | petur: Great. Is there any plan to implement a 'play random track' or 'play random album feature'? |
| 18:28:42 | petur | I think rockbox has random playback features (I've never used them) |
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| 18:29:10 | pondlife | Random track is easy enough - just make your playlist and shufle it, or run with shuffle mode enabled. |
| 18:29:16 | Llorean | Rockbox has both "shuffle tracks" and "shuffle albums" |
| 18:29:24 | Llorean | Though shuffling the albums requires launching a plugin to configure the feature. |
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| 18:29:43 | Llorean | Well, not really "shuffle albums" so much as "shuffle folders" if I recall |
| 18:29:59 | Llorean | But if your filetree is suitable sorted, it works, I hear. |
| 18:30:01 | Llorean | I've never used it. |
| 18:30:59 | steveire | Llorean: Sounds like something I might try to do myself. Do you know what plugin does it? |
| 18:31:25 | Llorean | It's name pretty much tells you what it is, but I can't remember the exact name |
| 18:31:31 | Llorean | It's like "Random_folder_advance" or something |
| 18:31:42 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRandomFolderAdvanceConfig |
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| 18:34:50 | Veinor | I can't get Amarok to interact properly with rockbox; if I try to send a playlist, it says the playlist uses nonexistent files |
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| 18:36:39 | Llorean | Veinor: That's really an Amarok problem... |
| 18:36:55 | Veinor | Llorean: true. |
| 18:37:18 | Veinor | I was just wondering if anybody here uses amarok as well and knows what to do. |
| 18:37:36 | Llorean | A lot of people here don't really use a management program |
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| 18:38:38 | Veinor | ok. |
| 18:40:05 | bospaadje | Veinor, maybe amarok uses absolute filepath in the playlists? there is an option in the config for that at least |
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| 18:40:37 | Veinor | afaik, it seems to be creating them on the basis of their location on my hd |
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| 18:40:49 | Jeton | is it possible to have a patch/plugin for Sansa so that when you for example hold the Select button and you rotate the scrollwheeel, to have the function of fast forwarding a song? |
| 18:41:09 | pixelma | dionoea: yep, got it working (sorry for answering this late) - wanna try/have a patch? |
| 18:42:07 | markun | Jeton: sounds possible |
| 18:42:55 | steveire | I've installed the icon pack from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets, but all icons I try look squashed. How do I change the line spacing> |
| 18:43:04 | steveire | And shouldn't it be automatic? |
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| 18:43:34 | Jeton | actually the whole concept is from the OF, you select "Scroll thorough this song" and the scrollwheel does just that. |
| 18:43:44 | Jeton | I'm filing a feature request ;) |
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| 18:47:00 | Llorean | Jeton: Why isn't the existing fast forward sufficient? |
| 18:48:12 | Jeton | it is, especially it's good that you can configure the "speed" of the fast forwarding. But i just thought that a patch would simply complement the function of the scrollwheel. |
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| 18:52:15 | Jeton | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6800 (the LCD fade ) was synced to SVN, but it doesn't work on Sansa. |
| 18:52:27 | steveire | I've chosen the tango theme, which makes my fonts bigger neccessarily. That's fine, but it messes up the 'now playing' screen. Can you recommend a 'now playing' theme to use with tango? Currently I use zezayer. |
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| 18:53:57 | Llorean | Jeton: It was synced in May |
| 18:54:03 | Llorean | the patch is well out of date again. |
| 18:54:13 | webguest31 | hey, wiil rockbox play wma soon? |
| 18:54:14 | Llorean | And "synced" just means that patch version is "up to date" |
| 18:54:20 | markun | webguest31: probably |
| 18:54:44 | markun | saratoga is working on it |
| 18:54:46 | Jeton | ok. |
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| 18:57:46 | markun | webguest31: are your files DRM protected? |
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| 18:59:51 | steveire | What font/theme/icons combination do you guys use? |
| 18:59:59 | Jeton | later people |
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| 19:00:56 | markun | saratoga: I use "Rockboxed" but I'm also colour blind :) |
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| 19:01:50 | saratoga | is this where i brag about getting my one WMA file to decode correctly in int? |
| 19:02:35 | markun | :) |
| 19:02:45 | markun | the others don't decode correctly? |
| 19:03:22 | markun | what's next on your todo? malloc stuff? |
| 19:03:23 | saratoga | i'm 99% sure any low bitrate files won't decode correctly, since they use all sorts of special features i haven't figured out how to test |
| 19:03:35 | saratoga | but 128k and above stuff looks ok |
| 19:04:02 | saratoga | yeah the malloc needs to go, but thats not hard, it only uses it a few times, and theres no need for any of it since all the sizes are hard coded |
| 19:05:00 | markun | the only use I would have for WMA would be to record and playback some online radio stream, that would be low bitrate usually. |
| 19:05:51 | markun | and after that the first try at turning it into a rockbox codec? |
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| 19:08:19 | markun | I wonder if it will playback realtime on the gigabeat |
| 19:08:37 | steveire | Arggh. I can't get nice icons and a nice theme. Is there a way to have a font size for menu and a separate font size for the 'now playing' section? |
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| 19:10:28 | markun | steveire: currently not |
| 19:11:47 | steveire | markun: I might have to edit the theme I want to use? The problem is with larger fonts, there's too much space between lines, and the 'next track' section falls off. |
| 19:14:47 | markun | yes, you need to edit it to be usable with a different font |
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| 19:15:18 | steveire | If you use non standard fonts, can you tell me what theme you use? |
| 19:15:33 | steveire | sorry, non-standard icons, not fonts markun |
| 19:16:00 | markun | I use the "Rockboxed" theme with the default font |
| 19:16:07 | jac0b | I have noticed in the last 2 builds that the bookmark feature doesn't work on the sansa |
| 19:16:11 | markun | nimbus-14 I think |
| 19:16:32 | steveire | markun: Which icons? |
| 19:16:42 | markun | let me check |
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| 19:17:09 | jac0b | has anyone had a problem with the bookmark feature on any other builds? |
| 19:17:35 | steveire | Oh, I see that doesn't display the next track. I like that feature. |
| 19:18:14 | markun | steveire: Tango 20x16x16 |
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| 19:20:14 | steveire | I like tango, and the zezayer theme. But no font fits both. I think a more integrated theming system should be available to care for fonts/icons/theme. |
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| 19:21:26 | markun | if you want it bad enough.. get programming :) |
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| 19:22:56 | steveire | markun: Seems that'll be neccessary. I find it odd though that rockbox can look so much better than it does by default in each of the three categories, but I can't get a combination that works. |
| 19:22:58 | webguest31 | hellodoes rockbox sill play wma soon? |
| 19:23:23 | markun | 18:54 < markun> webguest31: probably |
| 19:23:23 | markun | 18:54 < markun> saratoga is working on it |
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| 19:24:09 | markun | 18:57 < markun> webguest31: are your files DRM protected? |
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| 19:29:23 | saratoga | markun: I want to get a version working on rockbox this week if at all possible |
| 19:29:39 | saratoga | no idea what that will involve, but i need to so i can start benchmarking and see how slow the codec really is |
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| 19:32:19 | markun | are there tools to remove the DRM protection from WMA files? |
| 19:32:40 | jac0b | tunebite |
| 19:32:55 | markun | .. for people who bought music online for their Gigabeat and will not be able to play their music in rockbox |
| 19:32:58 | markun | jac0b: thanks |
| 19:33:45 | markun | jac0b: although it's not exactly what I was hoping for |
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| 19:34:28 | jac0b | its easier to rip apple drm that wma drm |
| 19:35:30 | Lear | saratoga: Step one: put the right stuff in iram (important for coldfire at least). (Maybe you knew that already.) |
| 19:37:01 | jac0b | markun: you can also burn a fake audio CD if you have a virtual drive |
| 19:37:24 | markun | jac0b: I'm not really interested in transcoding |
| 19:37:29 | markun | for that we don't need wma playback |
| 19:37:41 | markun | just remove the DRM protection |
| 19:38:21 | * | amiconn wonders why so many people buy drm encumbered music |
| 19:38:39 | * | markun wonders if there are really that many people doing that |
| 19:39:25 | amiconn | There must be enough... otherwise those online music stores couldn't survive |
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| 19:39:46 | amiconn | I mean, one such track costs ~1EUR in average here |
| 19:40:14 | amiconn | But it's limited in how I can use it _and_ encoded lossy |
| 19:40:45 | Lear | 1 billion tracks can't be wrong? :) |
| 19:40:46 | amiconn | If I buy the CD, I pay roughly the same, but I get full quality, and a physical backup at the same time |
| 19:41:22 | amiconn | And I can use it the way I want, as long as it's for private use |
| 19:42:15 | Lear | Yes, but you need to fuss about getting it on your computer/DPA. Not hard, but some don't want that. And they can buy just the tracks they want. |
| 19:42:32 | jac0b | they should just make CD's cheaper and maybe people will buy them |
| 19:42:40 | Lear | DPA/DAP |
| 19:44:27 | amiconn | Imho CDs are quite cheap, unlike those crippled tracks from online stores |
| 19:45:26 | * | amiconn will never buy those non-CDs with "copy protection" though |
| 19:46:17 | jac0b | no way CD's are cheap when I first started buying CD's they were $7-10 now they are close to $20 |
| 19:46:24 | ender` | i usually borrow them in the library, then apply a bit of permanent marker (if it hasn't been applied yet) |
| 19:51:34 | dionoea | pixelma: sure, i'd love to try a patch |
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| 19:59:22 | markun | jac0b: I think this is what I was looking for: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=114916 |
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| 20:02:37 | jac0b | markun: I couldn't that one to work for me |
| 20:02:59 | * | GodEater tries to work out what the permanent marker does |
| 20:04:48 | * | petur sees the tool is written with WTL, the lean and mean gui template lib that MS wrote but never supported |
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| 20:11:49 | jac0b | has anyone got the bookmark feature working on their player?\ |
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| 20:16:05 | tedrock | wow when mine crashes it kills the usb port on my mac i'm using. fancy |
| 20:17:20 | GodEater | tedrock: I believe linuxstb has experienced that too |
| 20:17:37 | GodEater | some vagary of the OSX platform it seems |
| 20:17:57 | tedrock | meh. i was just messin around with it at work. i got a list of errors i gotta put on the bug tracker |
| 20:18:19 | Llorean | A list? |
| 20:18:33 | tedrock | yep. i got more error codes in addiontion to the one i was gettign earlier |
| 20:18:46 | tedrock | undefined instructions and other things |
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| 20:19:50 | tedrock | quick question. if you go the LCD backlight settigns it has a thing where it says when plugged in. if i set that to ON it should be staying on when i have it connected to USB right. or am i confused |
| 20:20:36 | Llorean | Currently, USB doesn't register as "plugged in" for some reason |
| 20:20:48 | tedrock | ah. then that would explain it |
| 20:21:37 | tedrock | i am pretty impressed so don't worry i won't be giving up anytime soon. i just gotta stop using itunes to sync it so i can make my own play list and stuf fi guess |
| 20:21:51 | tedrock | OH YAH i can't get video to play. is that bugged right now too? |
| 20:22:08 | Llorean | Wall chargers that use USB (not firewire) are, afaik the only iPod chargers currently that register as "plugged in" |
| 20:22:27 | Llorean | Are you following our instructions for playing video, or just trying to play iTunes/MP4 videos? |
| 20:22:38 | tedrock | latter :D |
| 20:22:52 | Llorean | Well, those aren't supported at all. |
| 20:23:00 | * | petur dumps the manual on tedrock |
| 20:23:02 | Llorean | We can't use the Broadcom chip, and the main core is far, far, far too slow to decode H.264 |
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| 20:25:36 | tedrock | hrmm having an issue finding anything about video in manual. i'll keep lookin |
| 20:26:25 | tedrock | well i just learned about the OPEN WITH option. good to know |
| 20:26:28 | Llorean | See the plugins section. |
| 20:26:32 | Llorean | PluginMpegplayer |
| 20:26:41 | Llorean | Which is actually in the viewers category of the plugins section I believe. |
| 20:26:57 | Llorean | There's also a wiki page of the same name which goes into more depth, and has links to some programs for converting your own videos. |
| 20:27:08 | Llorean | ON the iPod Video though, you're best using the original video support rather than ours |
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| 20:27:33 | tedrock | i remember something i read on the wiki yesterday and now i can't find it |
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| 20:27:57 | GodEater | Llorean: re that theme thread - should we perhaps arrange for rockbox to clear down the menu backdrop when applying a new theme ? |
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| 20:28:14 | GodEater | or is that overkill ? |
| 20:28:15 | Llorean | GodEater: Absolutely not. |
| 20:28:16 | tedrock | something that said about viewer plugins not needing to be selected and they load on demand or something around those lines |
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| 20:28:42 | Llorean | GodEater: If there's no Backdrop: line in the .cfg, nothing should change. If there's a Backdrop: line that's blank after, it should clear the backdrop |
| 20:29:12 | Llorean | Things shouldn't change unless explicitly told to, but you should be able to explicitly clear it without setting it to something else. |
| 20:29:28 | tedrock | there i found it |
| 20:29:36 | Llorean | tedrock: Yes, viewers load when you click on a file they're supposed to handle. .mpeg and .mpg for MpegPlayer |
| 20:29:42 | GodEater | Llorean: I find that an odd stance to take :) |
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| 20:30:02 | tedrock | so i guess i won't be playin my video podcasts with this :D |
| 20:30:11 | Llorean | GodEater: I have many themes that change the WPS and font, but I don't want them changing my backdrop. :-P |
| 20:30:29 | GodEater | then put the backdrop in those themes |
| 20:30:34 | GodEater | that seems a much better way to make them work |
| 20:30:40 | Llorean | Why? |
| 20:30:51 | Llorean | In *every* other .cfg line, if the line isn't present, the value isn't changed |
| 20:31:05 | Llorean | Themes are just ordinary .cfg files |
| 20:31:05 | GodEater | because then we avoid this particular issue with the user interface |
| 20:31:09 | GodEater | you gotta admit it's a PITA |
| 20:31:15 | Llorean | With the auto-reset, if an equalizer .cfg is loaded, it'd reset the backdrop |
| 20:31:37 | GodEater | I think make backdrop a special case |
| 20:32:07 | Llorean | Make it a special case *and* make the theme.cfg handler a special handler, AND figure out some way to load differentiate them when clicked on from the filetree so they're loaded with the special handler? |
| 20:32:34 | GodEater | lol - I can see I'm going to lose this discussion |
| 20:32:38 | Llorean | And have "Load config files" guess whether the missing backdrop line means "reset" or "no backdrop should be set" |
| 20:32:48 | Llorean | I'm just saying, how would you do it from a practical sense? |
| 20:32:53 | GodEater | firstly |
| 20:33:16 | GodEater | I'd only trigger the reset from when the cfg file is loaded from the "browse themes" menu |
| 20:33:36 | GodEater | and secondly, I wouldn't care if there was a backdrop line or not |
| 20:33:38 | GodEater | I'd ALWAYS clear it |
| 20:33:40 | Llorean | Then the same .cfg file causes different things when loaded from different screens. |
| 20:33:53 | Llorean | Which means it breaks the whole "a .cfg file is a .cfg file" philosophy |
| 20:34:02 | GodEater | fine, then lose the themes menu thing |
| 20:34:18 | Llorean | Every time *any* .cfg is loaded, reset the backdrop? |
| 20:34:18 | GodEater | oh no, that doesn't work either |
| 20:34:27 | GodEater | I'll think about it |
| 20:34:33 | GodEater | gimme a day or two :) |
| 20:34:45 | Llorean | I still think having a "Backrop: " line in a .cfg meaning "reset the backdrop" is good enough |
| 20:34:56 | Llorean | We already depend on the author not setting the font color to the same color as the background |
| 20:34:58 | GodEater | you're still relying on theme authors writing well behaved themes |
| 20:35:10 | Llorean | See above line. :-P |
| 20:35:15 | Llorean | We *have* to depend on them |
| 20:35:23 | GodEater | yes but in that case the author is consistent within his own theme |
| 20:35:25 | Llorean | If they wanted to they could load a backdrop that's black, with a black font. |
| 20:35:26 | GodEater | he's not hacv |
| 20:35:32 | GodEater | having to worry about someone else's |
| 20:35:41 | Llorean | So? |
| 20:35:42 | tedrock | i'm gonna make a theme soon. i'll follow your theme guildlines :D |
| 20:35:49 | GodEater | right - forget it |
| 20:36:08 | Llorean | We depend on theme authors to do a lot of things, is all. |
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| 21:08:46 | bluebrother | Llorean: why can I use only one simley in the forums? If I quote someone who already used a smiley I'm already out of smilies ... |
| 21:10:06 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'd earlier restricted it to 3, and for some reason I decided that was too many still. I'll set it back to 3. |
| 21:10:22 | Llorean | For the most part, I don't think smileys are really that useful for our forums, either way though. |
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| 21:12:11 | DerPapst | bluebrother: link to them in IMG tags :P |
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| 21:14:34 | steveire | Do any of you guys use amarok |
| 21:14:34 | steveire | ? |
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| 21:15:11 | steveire | I'd like to know whether to connect my iaudio as an ifp device or generic or what... |
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| 21:18:14 | Llorean | steveire: This isn't an Amarok support channel. You might try their documentation. |
| 21:18:27 | Llorean | Although I'd guess "generic" knowing absolutely nothing about the program at all. |
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| 21:23:21 | bluebrother | steveire: as Rockbox doesn't depend on some special database or file organization you can use generic. Using something else should work too (but I haven't tried) |
| 21:24:13 | steveire | bluebrother: It opens as generic alright, but that's a file browsing mode. I'd like music browsing mode, but it's definitely an amarok issue. |
| 21:24:20 | steveire | Cheers. I'm away |
| 21:24:38 | desowin | music browsing mode - initialize database in rockbox |
| 21:24:52 | steveire | desowin: Huh? |
| 21:25:21 | steveire | make amarok connect to the rockbox database? |
| 21:25:31 | steveire | makes sense. I'll look into it later. |
| 21:25:31 | desowin | there's no such thing yet |
| 21:25:42 | steveire | desowin: But that's what you meant? |
| 21:26:22 | desowin | settings->general->database->initialize now |
| 21:26:57 | desowin | (in rockbox) |
| 21:27:28 | steveire | desowin: Thanks. I'm off. |
| 21:27:37 | desowin | but keeping files organised is best way |
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| 21:31:22 | GodEater | does amarok understand the rockbox database then ? |
| 21:33:16 | Llorean | It's been suggested that someone add that, but I don't think anyone has |
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| 22:04:54 | TofuSCHNITZEL | iv got a question about the sandisk sansa players |
| 22:05:19 | Bagder | ask away |
| 22:06:25 | TofuSCHNITZEL | what does the "Sansa E200 series (the R models are not supported)" <−−−− mean? |
| 22:06:37 | GodEater | ... |
| 22:06:42 | Llorean | That the e200R series don't work, but the e200 do |
| 22:07:12 | Llorean | Basically, the "Rhapsody" versions do not work |
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| 22:07:33 | SaLaD | Do any of you think that Rockbox could eventualy become a media-centered distrobution of Linux? |
| 22:07:43 | TofuSCHNITZEL | hm |
| 22:08:12 | Bagder | SaLaD: why rockbox become linux? |
| 22:08:14 | TofuSCHNITZEL | whats special about the "Rhapsody" |
| 22:08:17 | Bagder | why would even |
| 22:08:47 | SaLaD | Could it be anything else? |
| 22:08:51 | tedrock | anyone else havin issues with voice menus? |
| 22:08:54 | Bagder | TofuSCHNITZEL: we've written a lot about it both on the mi4/sansa pages and in the rockbox forums |
| 22:09:00 | Bagder | SaLaD: rockbox is not linux |
| 22:09:02 | Llorean | TofuSCHNITZEL: They have a different bootloader that prevents us from loading our own code until someone figures out a way past it. |
| 22:09:08 | TofuSCHNITZEL | okok |
| 22:09:34 | TofuSCHNITZEL | but do they look different? |
| 22:09:46 | TofuSCHNITZEL | i bougt the sansa e280 with fmtuner |
| 22:09:50 | SaLaD | Its so confusing when 4 conversations are going on... |
| 22:09:57 | TofuSCHNITZEL | (german site) http://www.cyberport.at/item/2/0/0/80415/sandisk-mp3-player-sansa-e-280-8-gb-mit-fm-tuner.html |
| 22:09:58 | tedrock | or is voice menus not working right now? |
| 22:10:02 | GodEater | SaLaD: welcome to IRC :) |
| 22:10:07 | Bagder | TofuSCHNITZEL: they look the same, but the R models start with a Rhapsody logo and similar |
| 22:10:21 | Llorean | SaLaD: Rockbox is not Linux. That's about all that's been said to you. |
| 22:10:42 | Llorean | tedrock: They should be working. |
| 22:11:02 | tedrock | as i go through menus it says the wrong name for everything and says "X" after everything it says |
| 22:11:10 | TofuSCHNITZEL | but with an fm tuner does not mean Rhapsody |
| 22:11:11 | SaLaD | Could rockbox turn into something LIKE an OS, for a PC |
| 22:11:17 | tedrock | like when i got to dispaly settings it might say "Equalizer X" |
| 22:11:24 | Bagder | fm tuner means with fm tuner |
| 22:11:34 | GodEater | SaLaD: very unlikely, its not really geared for a full blown PC |
| 22:11:51 | TofuSCHNITZEL | oko |
| 22:11:54 | TofuSCHNITZEL | k |
| 22:11:54 | GodEater | SaLaD: the memory model would be most inefficient on a PC |
| 22:12:15 | Bagder | SaLaD: rockbox is both OS and app collection |
| 22:12:16 | * | GodEater tries to image coding out of a 1GB+ buffer |
| 22:12:17 | Llorean | tedrock: Are you sure that your Voice Files were made for the same build of Rockbox you have installed (or at least generated recently enough that the menus haven't changed)? |
| 22:12:53 | tedrock | hrmm no i am not sure. i just out a few from the main website. are those not current? |
| 22:13:00 | TofuSCHNITZEL | k thx i was some kind of shocked cause i found a site where it sais Rhapsody and with fm tuner so i thought Rhapsody = with fm tuner |
| 22:14:07 | TofuSCHNITZEL | and do u know how rockbox handles the microSD slot? |
| 22:14:18 | Llorean | tedrock: Most of them aren't. People have to contribute voice files to the main website, and they have to be redistributable. Many people seem to prefer hosting questionable ones offsite instead, so they aren't updated often. |
| 22:16:07 | tedrock | hrmm so i gotta find these up to date ones else where |
| 22:16:07 | SaLaD | Does any body know the status of the H10 radio support? And why do all mp3 players with a Radio usualy only pick up FM? |
| 22:16:21 | tedrock | Llorean: just google rockbox voice might work eh? |
| 22:16:31 | Bagder | SaLaD: because they use fm tuner chips |
| 22:16:48 | TofuSCHNITZEL | and does rockbox support the sansa fm tuner? |
| 22:16:49 | Bagder | probably because the world uses FM mostly |
| 22:17:25 | SaLaD | What about my first question |
| 22:18:52 | Bagder | TofuSCHNITZEL: yes |
| 22:22:46 | Llorean | SaLaD: If it's not in the official version, you could check to see if there's a patch, and what the patch's status is. |
| 22:22:52 | bluebrother | SaLaD: well, looking at the sources it doesn't seem there is support yet. |
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| 22:24:32 | bluebrother | hmm, looking at the SansaFAQ page I'm wondering if there really should be some summary of the buttons |
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| 22:25:16 | TofuSCHNITZEL | cool thx guys |
| 22:25:18 | SaLaD | If they dont get the radio on the H10 working........... |
| 22:25:22 | TofuSCHNITZEL | ;) |
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| 22:25:26 | TofuSCHNITZEL | greez |
| 22:25:29 | TofuSCHNITZEL | cu |
| 22:25:39 | desowin | use real english words |
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| 22:26:21 | SaLaD | TofuSCHNITZEL: Say ONLY what matters |
| 22:26:31 | SaLaD | Never mind... |
| 22:26:39 | petur | rofl |
| 22:26:43 | Bagder | SaLaD: Rockbox is "we", not "they" ... |
| 22:26:53 | SaLaD | " |
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| 22:27:17 | Bagder | and I'm sure your fellow h10 owners will be happy when you join in and help making the fm work |
| 22:28:33 | TrueJournals | Who's helping to make the radio on the H10 work? :-D |
| 22:28:47 | SaLaD | "I" Am not Rockbox though. And I cant do anything about the FM Radio IF I DONT EVEN KNOW IF IT IS BEING WORKED ON or IS POSSIBLE!!!!! |
| 22:28:51 | TrueJournals | (well, not that I'm helping... but I'm hoping someone will get it working) |
| 22:29:02 | GodEater | easy SaLaD no need to shout |
| 22:29:16 | Bagder | SaLaD: you learn |
| 22:29:16 | SaLaD | i am a follower, not a leader |
| 22:29:45 | Llorean | SaLaD: That's a choice you make. |
| 22:29:45 | GodEater | there are no "leaders" as such here |
| 22:29:48 | GodEater | just contributors |
| 22:29:54 | Llorean | If you're not willing to contribute, you don't have to. |
| 22:30:00 | tedrock | odd. i just unplugged my headphones. the theme shows it's paused yet the progress bar and counter is still going |
| 22:30:06 | Llorean | But if nobody contributes, it's pretty obvious exactly how far Radio support will get. |
| 22:30:33 | SaLaD | Well I am not one of the contributers either ;) |
| 22:30:36 | tedrock | Llorean: i fixed issues i having before with the utility you told me about :D |
| 22:31:04 | Llorean | SaLaD: EVERYONE is a potential contributor. |
| 22:31:20 | TrueJournals | SaLaD: Barry Wardell, the leader of the H10 port, did a lot of working trying to get the radio working, but never quite got it... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FmTunerProject |
| 22:31:24 | SaLaD | I would give 1000 USD to anyone who gets the radio working |
| 22:31:43 | obo | tedrock: known issue - see FS #7257 and 7261 |
| 22:31:43 | Llorean | SaLaD: Please, if you're not willing to work on it, be quiet about it. |
| 22:31:56 | tedrock | obo: it did it once. doesnt' seem to be happening again |
| 22:32:13 | Bagder | SaLaD: I believe Barry once started the work on it but had problems and never got anywhere "real" |
| 22:32:28 | Bagder | oh |
| 22:32:32 | * | Bagder is an echo |
| 22:32:36 | TrueJournals | ;-) |
| 22:32:43 | * | Bagder stands in the corner |
| 22:32:53 | GodEater | hey, I was here first |
| 22:32:57 | GodEater | quit shovin |
| 22:32:59 | GodEater | ;) |
| 22:33:07 | Bagder | darn, this is one crowded corner! |
| 22:33:11 | obo | tedrock: only happens if you unplug whilst paused, and you have rewind on unplug enabled |
| 22:33:59 | tedrock | ahh |
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| 22:34:14 | tedrock | i actually disabled the rewind thing so that's probably why i did not happen again |
| 22:34:35 | tedrock | im so happy i fixed the crashing. |
| 22:34:45 | obo | it also happens if you rewind/ff using the buttons while it is paused |
| 22:35:06 | tedrock | i also just got voice menus to work... then disabled it. gets annoying after 5 minutes of using it :P |
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| 22:35:51 | petur | tedrock: I'm sure our visually impaired users won't agree ;) |
| 22:36:07 | tedrock | i shall poke my eyes and see... err hear |
| 22:36:36 | bluebrother | tedrock: maybe just closing the eyes for a test would be sufficient ... ;-) |
| 22:36:48 | tedrock | but then i might cheat |
| 22:37:07 | SaLaD | I didnt know he was working on it. I couldn't find any information on it before. How hard is it to get the code to get power to a certain chip? |
| 22:38:32 | Bagder | I doubt powering it is the problem |
| 22:38:44 | tedrock | this can't read PDFs or HTML files can it...? |
| 22:38:44 | SaLaD | read the page |
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| 22:38:51 | tedrock | then i coudl read the manual on my ipod |
| 22:39:13 | TrueJournals | Bagder: According to Barry, getting power to the device actually was the problem... |
| 22:39:36 | SaLaD | Aha!!! |
| 22:39:38 | Bagder | seems odd to me |
| 22:39:46 | SaLaD | told you |
| 22:40:02 | TrueJournals | http://www.google.com/notebook/public/06228508744049394636/BDRKOIgoQj7STsJUi |
| 22:40:31 | Bagder | I guess disassembly is what it takes |
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| 22:41:23 | SaLaD | Who Voluntieers Their H10 ;) |
| 22:41:54 | petur | you... there's your chance to contribute ;) |
| 22:42:11 | Llorean | SaLaD: Disassembly refers to a process you put the original firmware through, not the player. It's tracking what the original firmware does. |
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| 22:42:36 | TrueJournals | Hasn't the H10 firmware been dissassembled? |
| 22:43:03 | Bagder | parts of it certainly |
| 22:43:21 | tedrock | Llorean: i even fixex my issue where it was turning off the LCD while plugged in. thank you again for suggesting the utility |
| 22:44:31 | SaLaD | is there any problens with "Dissassembling" it ALL the way? |
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| 22:44:59 | Bagder | well, just converting to assembly isn't |
| 22:45:12 | Bagder | but understanding it and using it for something is quite some work |
| 22:45:22 | Llorean | And 99% of the code is just going to be pointless buffering stuff, and codecs, and other things we have no interest in anyway |
| 22:46:00 | SaLaD | well that 1% is probly what we need |
| 22:46:05 | TrueJournals | So... pretty much somebody who knows assembly needs to go through the whole thing and figure out what has to do with the radio, and what doesn't... |
| 22:46:38 | SaLaD | TrueJournals: Yup. |
| 22:47:09 | TrueJournals | Well, good luck with that :-p |
| 22:47:15 | Llorean | Or get the ARM emulator working for H10, and use it. |
| 22:47:28 | Bizzeh | hey, JUST this second found out about rockbox from #reactos looks pretty cool. are there any plays for mpeg4 video and/or the avi/mp4 containers? |
| 22:47:32 | Bagder | yeah, that's in fact a cooler idea |
| 22:47:48 | Bagder | Bizzeh: no |
| 22:48:00 | Llorean | Bagder: I imagine it'd actually be less tedious to whoever tries to do it, at least. |
| 22:48:26 | Bagder | Llorean: indeed a more rewarding/interesting challenge I'd say |
| 22:48:45 | Llorean | Blizzeh: On portable players, you usually have more extra space than you have extra processing power, making MPEG2 a better choice overall most likely. |
| 22:49:38 | SaLaD | Why is the scrollpad for my H10( as you probably figured out I have an H10) so jumpy when I play games like wormlet. It screws me up!!!! |
| 22:50:02 | Llorean | SaLaD: Feel free to improve the scrollpad driver. |
| 22:50:15 | Llorean | Again, for things to be improved, someone who owns the hardware has to come up with a better way of coding it. |
| 22:50:34 | bluebrother | Llorean: for getting the emulator working for h10, wouldn't one need to know how the tuner chip is connected anyway? |
| 22:50:37 | desowin | SaLaD: maybe it's just me, but sentectes like " It screws me up!!!!" doesn't bring in anything good |
| 22:50:40 | Bizzeh | Llorean: this is why most portable players have specialist mpeg4 decoder hardware |
| 22:50:56 | Llorean | bluebrother: That's the interesting thing: Get it up to the point where you can select to start the radio, then catch what it attempts to do when you choose to. |
| 22:51:10 | Llorean | I believe that's how some of the hardware was gotten working. |
| 22:51:10 | Bagder | Bizzeh: "most" ? |
| 22:51:13 | TrueJournals | SaLaD: The values recieved from the player are very jumpy, so the scrollpad is jumpy |
| 22:51:27 | Bizzeh | ok, "most modern" |
| 22:51:31 | Bagder | if ipod video is "most" then sure |
| 22:51:33 | bluebrother | hmm, right. Maybe I'm a bit tired for thinking hard enough right now ;-) |
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| 22:51:41 | Bagder | Bizzeh: that's not true at all |
| 22:51:55 | Bagder | "most modern" players have CPU and DSP enough to it |
| 22:51:56 | Llorean | In fact, outside the PSP and the iPod Video, I don't think any are known to, are they? |
| 22:52:08 | Llorean | I mean there's the DSPs, but that's not exactly the same thing. |
| 22:52:19 | Bizzeh | several philips payers |
| 22:52:27 | Bizzeh | samsung have a few |
| 22:52:29 | Bagder | Bizzeh: name a few please |
| 22:52:37 | GodEater | even if true, that's still not "most" |
| 22:52:47 | Llorean | Bizzeh: And remember, Supporting MP4 is not the same as "Having a chip for it" |
| 22:52:48 | SaLaD | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/cgiirc/irc.cgi |
| 22:52:49 | Bizzeh | i dont know the models, i just see the list of features in a catalog |
| 22:53:01 | Bagder | Bizzeh: see what Llorean said |
| 22:53:09 | Bizzeh | Llorean: yes, but "hardware assisted mpeg4" means, "has a chip in it" |
| 22:53:12 | Bagder | lots of players support "mp4" |
| 22:53:16 | Llorean | Bizzeh: No, it doesn't |
| 22:53:21 | Llorean | I means that hardware assists the decoding. |
| 22:53:23 | Llorean | Such as a DSP |
| 22:53:48 | Bagder | yeah, like the telechips and TI dm320 and all |
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| 22:54:20 | bluebrother | there are even cheap "mp4" players around which are in fact mp3 player with not much more |
| 22:54:22 | Llorean | Anyway, anyone's more than welcome to write a mpeg-4 player. The Gigabeat at least might be able to play MPEG-4 video (though not h.264) |
| 22:54:33 | bluebrother | sometimes with a similar design like the ipods ... |
| 22:54:48 | _SALAD_ | C N U S I G |
| 22:54:49 | SaLaD | o f s n |
| 22:55:06 | Llorean | SaLaD: Please stop spamming the channel... |
| 22:55:45 | desowin | bluebrother: such "mp4" players imo doesn't even contain hardware in it, I have no idea how it plays music |
| 22:56:05 | Llorean | Those are usually the s1mp3 hardware, aren't they? |
| 22:56:12 | Llorean | Basic AAC/MP3 player, and that's about it? |
| 22:56:19 | Bagder | yes, many seem to be |
| 22:57:21 | SaLaD | How is THAT spam? Take the first letter on the top, and match it up with the letters on bottom. Makes perfect sense! |
| 22:57:31 | Bizzeh | anyway, sorry but rockbox doesnt seem like its for me. very very feature lacking, very primitive looking/feeling, and the dev group/support group seem reluctant to want common formats implemented. bye |
| 22:57:33 | desowin | read rules |
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| 22:57:39 | krazykit | SaLaD, it's offtopic and irritating to boot. |
| 22:57:46 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 22:58:04 | Bagder | he should find another alternative firmware to use |
| 22:58:24 | _SALAD_ | thank you, Badger |
| 22:58:32 | bluebrother | SaLaD: that matching doesn't work for me ... |
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| 22:58:45 | Llorean | SaLaD: There are guidelines for this channel. Perhaps you should read them. |
| 22:59:03 | pearldiver | whats with people and mpeg4 playback |
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| 22:59:11 | Llorean | pearldiver: It's a buzzword. |
| 22:59:14 | pearldiver | sheesh |
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| 22:59:23 | Bagder | mpeg4 is a holy grail of some sorts |
| 22:59:26 | Llorean | They've never tried MPEG2 on a small screen, and don't realize that it's pretty much fine. |
| 22:59:31 | bluebrother | rockbox is "very very feature lacking"? |
| 22:59:35 | * | bluebrother shakes head |
| 22:59:36 | Llorean | I will say, h.264 is delicious. |
| 22:59:37 | Bagder | hehe |
| 22:59:44 | desowin | bluebrother: didn't you know it ? |
| 22:59:45 | Llorean | But for XViD/DivX, naah |
| 22:59:53 | SaLaD | What? It Spells CoNFUSInG |
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| 23:00:11 | DerPapst | finally |
| 23:00:23 | * | DerPapst doesn't like salat |
| 23:00:56 | bluebrother | indeed. If it's not displayed aligned it isn't easy to "just" match it |
| 23:00:58 | pearldiver | yeah h.264 is at least something that halfs the size and offers the same quality |
| 23:01:13 | krazykit | but man is it cpu intensive. |
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| 23:01:59 | Llorean | And takes about six years to encode. |
| 23:02:31 | krazykit | my laptop won't decode h264 @ native resolution :-( |
| 23:02:36 | pearldiver | it is but it's not really the point here. people repeat the words "avi, mpeg4" like mantra |
| 23:02:45 | Llorean | Yup |
| 23:02:47 | bluebrother | what's native resolution for h.264? |
| 23:02:54 | Llorean | bluebrother: I think he means "DVD resolution" |
| 23:03:02 | krazykit | er, yes. |
| 23:03:14 | bluebrother | hmpf. My nick hilight seems still to be broken :( |
| 23:03:15 | Llorean | pearldiver: I think the problem is that people don't realize they HAVE to transcode to fit the screen, so whatever format it was before doesn't matter |
| 23:03:32 | Llorean | krazykit: The PSP plays 720x480 h.264, though it hitches a bit here 'n there. |
| 23:03:39 | krazykit | well, people don't understand that avi is merely a container format |
| 23:04:03 | desowin | I have completly no idea why people would like to watch movies in high resolution on such small displays |
| 23:04:11 | Llorean | The display is 480x272 |
| 23:04:16 | pearldiver | Llorean yep, nobody wants to do a little research but everybody likes to jump to conclusions. same old. |
| 23:04:19 | bluebrother | I guess because they don't want to transcode |
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| 23:04:42 | bluebrother | and they assume scaling it down doesn't eat up much power ... |
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| 23:04:50 | Llorean | Yup |
| 23:04:57 | krazykit | transcoding to any rockbox target's screen size doesn't take THAT long on a modern machine. |
| 23:05:23 | Llorean | And with proper settings, MPEG2 gives you fine filesizes and video quality for such a small screen |
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| 23:05:31 | tedrock | anyone know a quick and easy way to convert itunes playlists into something rockbox can use? |
| 23:05:50 | bluebrother | tedrock: IIRC there was a patch for that in the tracker |
| 23:05:54 | pearldiver | i bet people would start comparing rockbox to iphone when it's out. |
| 23:06:06 | Llorean | No, they'll ask for iPhone Ports |
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| 23:06:19 | amiconn | Talking about research - why do people keep speaking about the avi 'format'? AVI is a container, like mov, wav, ... |
| 23:06:22 | pearldiver | oh that too of course |
| 23:06:24 | Llorean | Though the iPhone is designed to be able to run unsigned code, I hear. |
| 23:06:33 | pearldiver | amiconn thats and old old issue |
| 23:06:35 | Llorean | So someone should port the simulator to it. |
| 23:06:42 | pearldiver | everybody and their dog think that avi is a format |
| 23:06:52 | Llorean | Then people can ask why we did the iPhone so quickly but won't do NanoG2 |
| 23:07:04 | nls | Llorean: if we got a donation of a cent everytime someone asked for a port to a phone... |
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| 23:07:28 | krazykit | Llorean, sure, as long as you port sdl to the iphone first :-P |
| 23:07:41 | bluebrother | maybe we should add a "stupid question" button to the website which asks the questioner for donating 1ct? |
| 23:07:43 | GodEater | Llorean: has steve jobs changed his position on the iPhone then / |
| 23:07:53 | Llorean | GodEater: So I've heard. |
| 23:08:00 | GodEater | wow |
| 23:08:14 | Llorean | I couldn't point to the source any more but it seemed reliable when I read it a few days ago. |
| 23:08:18 | GodEater | I just remember him saying "Verizon don't want their network crashed by some dude with a crappy app on his phone" |
| 23:08:21 | tedrock | umm how does one apply a .patch file... is their a directory for it? |
| 23:08:22 | GodEater | and assumed that was that |
| 23:08:28 | Llorean | I imagine it'll be restricted. |
| 23:08:33 | Llorean | No access to the phone radios or anything |
| 23:08:43 | GodEater | oh, a hypervisor you mean ? |
| 23:08:46 | Llorean | tedrock: You'll have to compile. |
| 23:08:47 | bluebrother | tedrock: to apply a patch you need to recompile |
| 23:08:47 | GodEater | or similar |
| 23:08:47 | krazykit | tedrock, you patch the source code and compile it yourself |
| 23:08:53 | Llorean | GodEater: I can't imagine there not being one. |
| 23:08:59 | bluebrother | check the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
| 23:09:30 | tedrock | sounds a little beyond me. information on wiki about this? |
| 23:09:32 | nls | GodEater: their network must be very crappy if you can bring it down with one malfunctioning device... |
| 23:09:35 | tedrock | nm |
| 23:09:35 | pearldiver | Llorean not that easy |
| 23:09:39 | tedrock | you answered my quesiton :D |
| 23:09:42 | pearldiver | i think you need to purchase and deploy a web server just to develop an app |
| 23:10:06 | Llorean | pearldiver: Of course it wouldn't be simple. It's Apple. :-P |
| 23:10:10 | GodEater | nls: well my sentiments exactly |
| 23:10:13 | krazykit | nls, oh, verizon's network IS that crappy. |
| 23:10:16 | GodEater | I run all sorts of cool stuff on my phone |
| 23:10:26 | Llorean | Fortunately, the iPhone isn't *on* Verizon's network. |
| 23:10:27 | Llorean | :-P |
| 23:10:27 | GodEater | not a single one is signed by the phone manufacturer |
| 23:10:36 | GodEater | and my network hasn't threatened to sue me yet :) |
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| 23:10:47 | * | bluebrother uses his mobile phone for ... phone calls :) |
| 23:10:51 | GodEater | Llorean: well - whoever's network it was then |
| 23:10:57 | Llorean | AT&T/Cingular. Ugh. |
| 23:10:59 | GodEater | I don't live in the US - i'm not familiar with them :) |
| 23:11:02 | pearldiver | Llorean plus its all should be under Safari |
| 23:11:19 | pearldiver | i bet nothing worthwhile will surface under such conditions |
| 23:11:29 | Llorean | But yeah, my phone is reserved for connectivity in general, and that's it. I like to keep my devices separate, a position I've mentioned before. ;) |
| 23:11:43 | Llorean | Perhaps the iPhone should go on the NoDo? |
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| 23:12:48 | bluebrother | how about adding a "emulate xyz's OF" to the NoDo as well? |
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| 23:13:55 | XavierGr | amiconn: installing vmware tools without X is possible |
| 23:14:08 | pearldiver | it would have quite enthusiastic "hacking scene" though i presume |
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| 23:15:30 | nls | ipl = iphone linux? :-) |
| 23:15:40 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 23:16:15 | krazykit | cuz i know i want a zsh prompt on my phone. |
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| 23:18:49 | Bagder | and quite suitably "Mobile Linux group releases first specifications" was announced today ;-) |
| 23:20:20 | Llorean | Did the Zune Linux guys ever make any further attempt to 'collaborate' beyond the post in our forum, btw? |
| 23:20:30 | Bagder | not that I've seen |
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| 23:21:33 | Llorean | I'm honestly just kinda curious if they've actually done anything, and if so, what. |
| 23:21:43 | Bagder | me too |
| 23:21:49 | Bagder | but I doubt they did anything |
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| 23:21:55 | Llorean | That's my feeling too. |
| 23:21:56 | krazykit | looking on their forums, they've picked what distro they want to port |
| 23:22:12 | krazykit | puppy linux |
| 23:22:16 | Bagder | what an achivement |
| 23:22:20 | krazykit | which, as far as i know, still runs on 2.4 |
| 23:22:35 | bluebrother | well, it's important to have a distro first. |
| 23:22:36 | Bagder | well, ipl is on 2.4 too |
| 23:22:55 | bluebrother | the skills can come later ... |
| 23:23:00 | krazykit | i'd have picked emdebian or something :-/ |
| 23:23:27 | Bagder | I'd not bothered at all until my kernel at least partly booted |
| 23:23:42 | pearldiver | the only progress was made by zunepet |
| 23:23:52 | krazykit | but their userbase sounds like people just wanting Some Other Software than actually knowing anything about coding or cracking the hardware's encryption. |
| 23:23:52 | * | bluebrother googles for emdebian |
| 23:23:52 | Llorean | Do you really *need* a distro, so much? |
| 23:23:56 | Bagder | no |
| 23:23:59 | pearldiver | but i think it was all posted in the thread |
| 23:24:13 | Bagder | kernel and busybox take you a very long way |
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| 23:25:15 | Llorean | I'd imagine considering the uniqueness of the platform, you're more or less creating your own distro anyway. |
| 23:25:19 | XavierGr | I get this error when trying to configure binutils: C compiler cannot create executables. Any ideas how I can fix it? |
| 23:25:47 | Bagder | Llorean: well, it is an arm with a mmu so there are existing distros you probably can use more or less out of the box |
| 23:25:54 | bluebrother | wow. Safari for windows? |
| 23:26:19 | krazykit | XavierGr, sounds like your toolchain isn't set up properly |
| 23:26:36 | bluebrother | XavierGr: is your host compiler working properly? |
| 23:26:43 | DerPapst | Bagder: i doubt they will come so far. they haven't even found a way to run own code. |
| 23:27:01 | Bagder | yes, we were just saying that |
| 23:27:11 | Llorean | I'd actually be interested in the Zune if there were an unsigned code exploit. |
| 23:27:18 | DerPapst | X suggested to solder some wires in the zune to bypass the encryption :D |
| 23:27:27 | Llorean | I'd like a full-size player with FM Radio again. |
| 23:27:31 | XavierGr | bluebrother: I am not sure, all I know is that I have installed gcc and make |
| 23:27:45 | krazykit | Llorean, me too. i liked that feature on my old Rio Riot |
| 23:28:02 | Bagder | soldering really is the best tool to beat encryptions ;-) |
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| 23:29:03 | * | Llorean wonders where the wires go in the e200R |
| 23:29:16 | basscadet | XavierGr: there may be information about what went wrong with the compiler in config.log |
| 23:29:30 | basscadet | xkthat file should be in the directory you were in when you ran configure |
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| 23:33:38 | XavierGr | just great, it can't compile the hello world program, it says that can't find <stdio.h> |
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| 23:35:02 | amiconn | XavierGr: If this happens while building gcc 4.1 as crosscompiler, it's a known problem |
| 23:35:10 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: ping |
| 23:35:27 | amiconn | libssp doesn't like to be crosscompiled, so you need to disable it. See irc log 20060321 |
| 23:35:42 | XavierGr | but I get that when I try to build binutils not gcc 4.1 |
| 23:36:01 | amiconn | What version of binutils? |
| 23:36:17 | * | amiconn didn't get far with 2.17.x |
| 23:36:17 | XavierGr | and last time I tried (something else went wrong) it succesfully configured and compiled it |
| 23:36:21 | XavierGr | let me check |
| 23:36:29 | XavierGr | 2.16.1 |
| 23:36:36 | XavierGr | from rockboxdev.sh |
| 23:36:38 | amiconn | Hmm, that should work... |
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| 23:37:05 | XavierGr | every time I want to build a vmware envirnment from start I have to reinstall linux like 4 times |
| 23:37:29 | XavierGr | all people say that linux are quite sturdy but I can break them quite easily without knowing what went wrong |
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| 23:37:41 | XavierGr | and then the only option if you don't know what to do is reinstall |
| 23:37:55 | XavierGr | I still think that Windows are much simpler at some aspects |
| 23:38:15 | krazykit | you could ask the distro's channel for support, of course. |
| 23:38:45 | XavierGr | yes you can always do that, but right now I think I will get the reinstall path |
| 23:38:57 | XavierGr | (and keep a backup of the clean install disk) |
| 23:39:19 | krazykit | isn't there a vmware image with the build environment already set up? |
| 23:39:23 | amiconn | With vmware it's really simple... just take a snapshot and work from there |
| 23:39:36 | XavierGr | krazykit: yes but I want to make a new one |
| 23:39:50 | XavierGr | with amiconn's idea or sdl on framebuffer |
| 23:39:55 | amiconn | If something goes wrong, revert to snapshot |
| 23:40:03 | XavierGr | amiconn: I thought snapshots work only for RAM |
| 23:40:10 | amiconn | If you finished and everything is ok, delete the snapshot |
| 23:40:58 | amiconn | With vmware workstation you can even have multiple snapshots (but ws isn't free) |
| 23:41:18 | XavierGr | amiconn: "snapshots" have to do with disk data? |
| 23:41:37 | amiconn | Snapshots save the whole machine state |
| 23:42:06 | amiconn | ...which is just disk if the machine is powered down when taking the snapshot, and disk+ram when taking a live snapshot |
| 23:42:16 | XavierGr | great I will do that next tim |
| 23:42:17 | XavierGr | e |
| 23:42:27 | XavierGr | I thought it was just like a hibernation feature |
| 23:42:41 | XavierGr | btw amiconn: how is your vmware image going? |
| 23:43:02 | amiconn | Didn't work on it recently... |
| 23:43:09 | XavierGr | what's missing? |
| 23:44:06 | amiconn | The ability to build the html manual successfully... and making it smaller |
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| 23:44:22 | XavierGr | making to build the manual is tricky |
| 23:44:32 | XavierGr | amiconn: try installing texlive and/or tex4ht |
| 23:44:36 | amiconn | pdf manual is simple |
| 23:44:41 | amiconn | That already works |
| 23:44:59 | XavierGr | although even if you do that you will need to add multirow.sty on your repository |
| 23:45:05 | amiconn | The image still uses tetex, as it's based on debian testing |
| 23:45:08 | XavierGr | along with the other stys |
| 23:45:48 | amiconn | The strange thing is that my full fledged vmware image (which has gnome etc) does build the html manual, and it's also debian testing... |
| 23:46:12 | krazykit | testing? from how long ago? |
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| 23:47:19 | amiconn | a few weeks |
| 23:47:38 | amiconn | I am updating more or less regularly |
| 23:49:00 | XavierGr | amiconn: by updating all the time it will be difficult to make the image small in size |
| 23:49:20 | amiconn | Updating the small image is cumbersome though. No intuitive package manager available as there is no x11 |
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| 23:49:29 | XavierGr | linux tends to live many garbage files in the filesystem :\ |
| 23:49:37 | XavierGr | s/live/leave |
| 23:49:55 | * | amiconn didn't have that impression |
| 23:50:00 | * | Bagder neither |
| 23:50:11 | amiconn | Windows leaves far more junk than linux |
| 23:50:25 | amiconn | But on linux the junk is harder to find imo |
| 23:50:25 | XavierGr | well apt-get remove package would not delete every trace of the installed files for me |
| 23:51:38 | XavierGr | it is just that on Windows I am experienced and I know how and when to remove the junk, but on Linux I don't have a clue where it might left undeleted files |
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| 23:51:59 | amiconn | Simply removing a package doesn't clean its configuration data |
| 23:52:00 | obo | XavierGr: try it with the −−purge option |
| 23:52:18 | * | amiconn was about to mention purging |
| 23:52:20 | XavierGr | obo: I will have that in mind thanks |
| 23:52:38 | amiconn | That's the nice thing with package gui managers - you see what's happening |
| 23:52:58 | amiconn | ^ find the 2 words which need to be swapped :/ |
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| 23:54:31 | obo | gui and console? ;) |
| 23:54:37 | krazykit | hm. i thought tetex was dropped from lenny. must've been some other tex package |
| 23:54:53 | krazykit | amiconn, check out aptitude? |
| 23:55:18 | amiconn | krazykit: sure. I use it, but it's not intuitive for sure |
| 23:55:20 | tedrock | anyone care to help me a bit with this playlist patch. i get a message saying "can't find file to patch at input line 8" |
| 23:55:37 | krazykit | amiconn, i find it much friendlier than synaptic or whatever |
| 23:55:39 | krazykit | oh |
| 23:55:41 | * | amiconn wants a text-mode equivalent of synaptic :/ |
| 23:56:10 | tedrock | also they provide a .c file and i donno what to do with this file. i assume that relates to my problem |
| 23:56:12 | Llorean | A text-mode synaptic would be quite nice. |
| 23:56:38 | XavierGr | yeah synaptic was good back when I was trying to convert to ubuntu |
| 23:56:43 | krazykit | tedrock, if the file it can't find and the one it provided are the same, put the .c where it's expecting it. or read the readme |
| 23:56:51 | amiconn | krazykit: For some reason I think exactly the opposite. Synaptic is nice and straigtforward, unlike aptitude |
| 23:57:26 | krazykit | amiconn, i found synaptic to be unbearably slow in searches and i didn't like being tied to x. diff'rnt strokes. |
| 23:57:27 | tedrock | krazykit: i wish there was a readme |
| 23:57:28 | * | amiconn updates vms |
| 23:57:44 | krazykit | tedrock, fs#? |
| 23:57:56 | tedrock | krazykit: 4771 |
| 23:58:28 | amiconn | Searches just take a few seconds... and being tied to X is only a drawback if you want a machine without X... that's why I would like a text mode equivalent |
| 23:59:00 | tedrock | krazykit: i donno where to put the iPlay.c |
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