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#rockbox log for 2007-06-15

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00:02:54ompaulmarkun, np, I may make my own supply at the weekend, then I know it will take the abuse I want to give it ;-) or I may just fix the one that went, and rehouse it, it was a loud pop so I figure some cap blew.
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00:12:40webguest85I see in the current builds it says that you can put rockbox onto a 60/80gb ipod video. Is this true
00:12:43webguest85?
00:12:56safetydanwebguest85, yes
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00:17:09markunwebguest85: only 80 was a problem for a while
00:21:41markunOzgur: did it work with the plugin?
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00:27:13Ozgurmarkun: I didn't find the SOURCES directory
00:27:32Ozgurit is in rockbox right?
00:27:52webguest85Is there a guide anywere that can tell me how to put rockboy and doom onto my ipod?
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00:28:33Ozgurmarkun: I am also having dinner, that is why the delay
00:29:07preglowit's not a directory, it's a file with a list of everything you want compiled
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00:36:44evil_core_hi all
00:37:21evil_core_has any work on supporting iRiver u10 started ?
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00:37:52markunevil_core_: no
00:38:03markunat least no programming
00:38:52evil_core_but, is there anything that i can try to run, i.e. rockbox for compatible iriver device
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00:39:28evil_core_or there is definetly no possibility for rockbox on u10 in near time ?
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00:40:02markunyes, there is nothing, sorry
00:40:20evil_core_hmm.ok
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00:40:51evil_core_know somebody if i can upgrade flash memory to bigger using official firmware ?
00:40:53markunevil_core_: non of the devs has a U10, so it's up to you guys
00:41:24evil_core_but, maybe some devs was upgrading in another models
00:42:06markunI don't understand what you mean by "upgrade flash memory to bigger using official firmware"
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00:42:48evil_core_i want know if after replacing flash memory, iriver will detect it
00:43:50evil_core_i bought u10 1GB, because in Poland 4/8GB are very expensive
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00:46:20markunevil_core_: it probably will detect it, as there is only 1 firmware update for all the models
00:46:46markunbut do you think you are up to the taks of replacing the flash chip?
00:46:59evil_core_i dont want warranty from you, only information that you heard that somebody done it
00:47:22markunI've never heard anyone do it
00:47:27linuxstb_No-one comes here to talk about U10 hacking though...
00:47:28evil_core_no I, my friend is good electronic
00:48:44evil_core_i know that u10 has slower processor than clix, so are you sure, that its driven by identical firmware ?
00:49:26markunAh, the u10 doesn't come in 4 and 8GB?
00:50:24evil_core_nope, original u10 is only 1GB
00:50:40linuxstb_evil_core_: I think markun meant that there is only one firmware for all the U10 models
00:50:47evil_core_2,4 and 8 clix, its look identical, only has quicker processor
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00:51:21markunlinuxstb_: yes, but I assumed he was talking about the U10 when he said "because in Poland 4/8GB are very expensive"
00:51:28stripwaxu10 is 512KB or 1GB only.
00:51:37evil_core_somebody has dissasebled them, and compared
00:52:01markunevil_core_: yes, we have a wiki page about those processors
00:52:11markunthere are more differences besides the speed I think
00:52:22evil_core_http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/06/how-to-disassemble-the-iriver-clix-u10.php
00:52:38markunevil_core_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58
00:53:06stripwaxoh there's a 2gb u10 also.
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00:55:34evil_core_maybe its not rebranded yet
00:56:26evil_core_ok, thx for help
00:56:52lazkajust wondering.. who long does it take to mount a sansa? it takes nearly 20 seconds here and that doesn't seem right to me.
00:57:14Lloreanlazka: Twenty seconds from when?
00:57:28markunevil_core_: did you find the chips you want to use for the upgrade?
00:57:34LloreanAre you counting all the time it takes to boot up the original firmware too, or are you booting the original firmware by hand *then* timing how long from USB insert after it's fully booted?
00:58:43lazkaLlorean: no from the moment nautilus opens because it detects the sansa... i think i will try to mount it it with over commandline
00:59:12evil_core_markun, my friend told me to make photos, and he later will look on it, but i was thinking that some of rockbox h4x3rs was doing it :P
00:59:12Ozgurmarkun: I searched for source in \\debian\filesystem\rockbox
00:59:16Ozgurthere is none
00:59:21Ozguralso no SRC
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00:59:37linuxstb_You want apps/plugins/SOURCES
00:59:51markundid you update your tree?
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01:00:01Ozgurinside Rockbox right?
01:00:16Ozgurhow do I do that?
01:01:01markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN
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01:01:16markunyour rockbox source tree should look like this: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/
01:01:34*linuxstb_ sleeps
01:01:35markunthen you do "svn up" and it updates
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01:02:05markunOzgur: if you can compile the simulator then everything should be there
01:02:15Ozguryes
01:02:23markundo you have a 'apps' dir in your source tree?
01:02:26Ozgurbut no sources
01:02:29Ozguryes
01:02:38markunand 'plugins' inside that?
01:02:38Ozgurin rockbox I have apps
01:02:53Ozgurtree root is rockbox right?
01:03:00markunyes
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01:03:11Ozguryes
01:03:22Ozgurbut not Sources inside that
01:03:23markunin rockbox/apps/plugins there should be a file called SOURCES
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01:03:27markunit must be
01:03:29Ozguryou Oh
01:03:32stripwax?
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01:03:41OzgurI thought I am putting it into a folder
01:03:42Ozgursorry
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01:03:45stripwaxcos it's too heavy
01:04:09markunOzgur: no, you put your plugin in rockbox/apps/plugins and then edit the SOURCES file
01:04:17OzgurOK
01:04:20OzgurI see
01:04:21Ozgursorry
01:04:25markunnp
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01:05:56Falco98i've been having a pesky new problem since about yesterday.. curious whether anyone else has seen something like this..
01:06:45Falco98suddenly, every time my h140 idle-power-offs, when it powers back up it loses its playlist, and claims it can't resume anything... and if i manually power it off, it will resume its playlist but lose all settings when powered back on
01:09:20LycoLocoyikes
01:09:24LycoLocohave you changed builds or what?
01:09:29Falco98no change
01:09:34Falco98nothing that i can think of whatsoever
01:09:49Ozgurmarkun: OK, at least I could compile it and see the plugin name (even if I got my first error :) )
01:09:57markun:)
01:09:59Ozgurruntime that is
01:10:02markunsome progress at least
01:10:08Falco98the build i'm using is probably several weeks old, so i was about to update and see if that magically cures the problem... but i wanted to throw this out there first because it would bug me if i didn't figure out what the problem may have really been :-P
01:10:10OzgurI thought I just had copied
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01:17:47Soul-SlayerHey, how come there is no Dual Boot feature on the iaudio series?
01:19:20LycoLocoI think it has to do with what they've figured out about the player and the firmware
01:19:32LycoLocothey don't have tht for the gigabeat yet either
01:19:58Soul-SlayerWell, on the 'Buyers Guide' on the wiki, it says 'No (Officially)
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01:20:12markunSoul-Slayer: there is a patch for it in the tracker
01:20:13LycoLocosounds like you could patch it and get dualbooting then
01:20:19Soul-SlayerAha, okay
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01:27:21markungood night all
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01:58:29Ozgurmarkun:
01:58:36Ozgurare you still there
01:59:35OzgurIf anybody who has experience with plugins can tell me the problem with following code, I can also correct it on "How to write plugins" page
01:59:37Ozgur#include "plugin.h"
01:59:37OzgurPLUGIN_HEADER
01:59:37Ozgurstatic struct plugin_api* rb;
01:59:37DBUGEnqueued KICK Ozgur
01:59:37Ozgurenum plugin_status plugin_start(struct plugin_api* api, void* parameter)
01:59:37Ozgur{
01:59:39Ozgur (void)parameter;
01:59:41Ozgur rb = api;
01:59:43Ozgur rb->splash(HZ*2, true, "Hello world!");
01:59:45Ozgur return PLUGIN_OK;
01:59:47Ozgur}
01:59:49LloreanOzgur: Please never paste to the channel
01:59:52LloreanUse pastebins instead.
02:00
02:00:03Ozgurcould you tell me how
02:00:32LloreanJust visit a pastebin site such as pastebin.ca, paste there, and paste the URL here.
02:00:41Ozgurhmm
02:00:44Ozgurthanks
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02:01:36Ozgurhttp://pastebin.ca/567437
02:01:46Ozgurhere is the code...
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02:04:43Falco98grumble.. just updated to the latest build and my custom version of iAmp doesn't work now :-/
02:05:47pixelmaOzgur: I _believe_ the parameters for the splash function have changed - you don't need the 'true' anymore. Don't know if it's your only problem as I haven't really coded much myself. I think it should throw a warning during compile time though
02:06:32Ozgurnope this code generates runtime error
02:06:51pixelmaFalco98: most common mistakes are unclosed conditionals and | which are used outside conditionals and are not escaped
02:06:54Ozgurcorrupted double link list
02:07:23Falco98pixelma: would that explain why it worked before the newer build, though?
02:07:32Falco98the .wps file is exactly the same...
02:08:04pixelmawell, dont know how old your older build was but the wps parser got stricter a few weeks ago
02:09:24Falco98ahh okay..
02:09:36Falco98could you check and see if you can spot any obvious problems? http://pastebin.ca/567446
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02:09:42pixelmaif you have a recently compiled sim, you can run it with the −−debugwps flag which will give you some output
02:10:05Falco98my last build was april 5th or so.. and just put today's latest one on
02:10:15Falco98to fix my "losing playlist after every resume" problem, heh
02:12:51TrueJournalsFalco98: What DAP do you have?
02:13:01Falco98iriver H140
02:13:28TrueJournalsOK... give me a second...
02:13:46pixelmahmm... don't see any obvious at first glance
02:14:37Falco98yeah.. keep in mind too that it worked until a few minutes ago :-P
02:15:10Falco98(BTW, updating to the latest build, with a clean install, for whatever reason, did fix my "losing playlist on restart after idle poweroff" issue, though i'm annoyed that i couldn't trace it to the actual cause)
02:16:45TrueJournalsI THINK... re&sh should be re+sh
02:16:53TrueJournalsline 4
02:16:54TrueJournals*40
02:18:06TrueJournalsNope, that didn't fix it...
02:18:51Falco98hm
02:19:06TrueJournalsHold on...
02:19:15TrueJournalsI can never figure out how to get stderr output on windows...
02:20:11Falco98hm
02:20:17Falco98well the & is just part of a filename..
02:20:43TrueJournalsWell, in the original WPS, it's +...
02:21:04TrueJournalsand the filename is +
02:21:24TrueJournals"Failed parsing on line 8 : Unclosed conditional"
02:22:36TrueJournalsAlthough I fail to see how...
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02:28:51TrueJournalsHmm... well, I have no idea why it's complaining about line 8
02:30:46pixelmaFalco98: I arbitrarily changed stuff in that line and it seems escaping the hash (so it reads "%#") fixes it, except I did a mistake
02:31:03Falco98ok..
02:31:34TrueJournalsAh... "Everything that follows a # in a line (including the newline character) is a comment."
02:31:39Falco98pixel are you referring to line 8?
02:31:45pixelmayes
02:32:00TrueJournals"%# : Display a '#'"
02:32:10Falco98ahh indeed
02:32:17Falco98so what's the whole line supposed to look like now?
02:32:42TrueJournals%ac%s%?id<%?in<Track %#%in From The LP|From The Album>%t12|%t0>;%?ic<%acComposed by:%t6|%t0>;%ac%sTrack Info:%t6
02:32:47Falco98ah cool then
02:32:54CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:32:54*Falco98 tries it..
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02:34:08Falco98sweet, it works
02:34:16Falco98that was a bit of a subtle change, that's probably how i missed it :-P
02:34:19Falco98thanks for the help
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02:36:44pixelma:)
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02:57:01saratogawhere is the rb struct actually declared?
02:57:49*jhMikeS proposes an immediate revert of the -Os switch for Coldfire since it utterly destroys the speed. An SPC on my doom test file goes from 72% boost to 95% boost after the patch. Removing the -Os switch from tools/configure and using otherwise current SVN brings it back to what it should be.
02:58:21LloreanDoes it destroy the speed on multiple/most codecs or is it just an SPC thing?
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02:58:47*Llorean hasn't updated his h120 in ages.
02:59:01safetydansaratoga, plugin.h I believe
02:59:57saratogasafetydan: I don't believe its there
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03:00:08jhMikeSLlorean: I think you'll observe it on SPC more readily but I'd expect the same anywhere. I will check on perhaps vorbis which takes some CPU power.
03:00:08saratogai think its in one of the 50 or so h files it includes
03:00:21saratogaunfortunately, its so short and so common grep returns almost every file in rockbox
03:01:38safetydansaratoga, I'm not sure I follow. Are you talking about the plugin rockbox api struct? It's defined in plugin.h and the actual value is created in plugin.c when the plugin is loaded.
03:03:05saratogasafetydan: just wondering where its actually defined, i want to see whats actually in it since i need to resync an old plugin
03:03:22saratogaoh
03:03:24saratogaplugin.c
03:03:29saratogai understand what you're saying now
03:04:22safetydansaratoga, if you want to see what functions are available to plugins through the rb pointer, look at struct plugin_api in apps/plugin.h
03:05:12saratogayeah i see now
03:05:18saratogawas forgetting how c worked for a moment
03:05:23*jhMikeS will have word about that shortly
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03:22:52jhMikeSwell, forget that, it actually seems to improve speed on some things...odd
03:25:15*jhMikeS still is ticked that one of his favorite codecs is running like molasses :(
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03:30:36LloreanjhMikeS: I thought codecs could be given their own compiler flags?
03:32:59jhMikeSLlorean: I don't know...
03:35:05LloreanjhMikeS: I don't either but I think I remember someone talking about it.
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03:37:40JdGordondidnt nls just do that a few days ago?
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03:48:15jhMikeSI suppose it's a matter of seeing if it affects primarily c based codecs or it's just the funky way the SPC codec is made up for ARM ... which didn't actually hurt coldfire at all before
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05:16:04saratogawhat does this mean
05:16:06saratoga"conversion lacks type at end of format"
05:16:13saratogawhen making a call to snprintf
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05:22:27safetydansaratoga, some sort of mismatch between your format and your arguments
05:23:12Tim_Mitchellany gigabeat savvy people here?
05:23:32saratogasafetydan: can you look at this call and give me an idea?
05:23:42safetydanTim_Mitchell, it's easier to ask your question and find out
05:23:45safetydansaratoga, sure
05:24:07saratogarb->snprintf(&mighty[ix],1024,"%ll",va_arg(ap,long long));
05:24:30Tim_Mitchellmy question is actually info that might be useful to rockbox developers concerning the gigabeat
05:24:30saratogasome kind of wrapper around snprintf I guess, and gcc seems uneasy about it
05:25:05saratogaTim_Mitchell: most people are here during daytime in Europe, but theres a good chance they'll notice the logs, and if not, you can always try again later
05:26:19safetydansaratoga, shouldn't that be %lld?
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05:27:12LloreanTim_Mitchell: You could always post it to the wiki page for the appropriate target.
05:27:15saratoga3478i just assumed it ment "long long"
05:27:19saratoga3478will look into that
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05:31:56safetydanI'm not even sure rockbox sprintf supports %lld. It does support %ld though.
05:32:03saratoga3478safetydan: also, i should be using rb->memcpy right?
05:32:41Tim_MitchellOK, here are the details: my rockboxed gigabeat F40 had to go back for warranty service within a month of being new - it was completely dead, wouldn't power on, charge, or power on for USB connections - I haven't received it back yet but the email I got said that the repair was to reinstall corrupted firmware - note I had already unrockboxed it (had to take out the HD) - I guess my question is if rockbox might have caused the failure I'v
05:33:42saratoga3478Tim_Mitchell: no
05:34:13LloreanRockbox is more "software" than "firmware" on the Gigabeat.
05:34:18Tim_Mitchellsaratoga3474: by no, you mean no one else had this problem?
05:34:43LloreanTher'es a firmware layer that handles charging and the initial part of bootup before any Rockbox code is ever run. With the problems you were having, that pre-rockbox code would've been involved in the problem, something Rockbox doesn't modify.
05:35:17Tim_Mitchelland there is no way for rockbox to have corrupted that?
05:35:39LloreanNo.
05:36:19LloreanNot unless you made significant modifications to it yourself to add those functions, or used the some of the unofficial modifications to the F40 firmware from the forums.
05:36:30Tim_Mitchellcompletely stock install
05:36:49saratoga3478Llorean: are there logs somewhere for #gigabeat?
05:37:12scorche|palmthe link is in the topic
05:37:28scorche|palmhttp://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/
05:37:58safetydansaratoga3478, yes
05:38:12LloreanTim_Mitchell: Then rockbox doesn't have the means to corrupt the real "firmware". Though it's possible they'd refer to the FWIMG**.DAT files as firmware too, in which case those can be corrupted by Rockbox, but would *not* be able to cause the problems you ahd.
05:38:40saratoga3478so odd, this plugin calls memcpy directly, which fails
05:38:49saratoga3478i wonder how that was supposed to work
05:39:25Tim_MitchellI don't think they reinstalled the .DAT file since I copied the original back over to the HD and as you say the problems I had were with the device powering on, etc
05:40:34LloreanThe code that handles poweron, charging, etc, is outside the scope of Rockbox. Not something we currently change, though there has been talk of replacing it with some of our own code in the future.
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05:42:04Tim_MitchellLlorean: understood, should I bother to post this info anywhere else?
05:43:10Guest86460Hello, I was wondering if I could have some help loading music with rockbox?
05:43:43Guest86460Is there are specific file or directory to put music?
05:44:16scorche|palmyou can put it anywhere you wish, really
05:44:59Guest86460Really? So if I put an album anywhere in the .rockbox directory it should go on?
05:45:20saratoga3478safetydan: could you take a quick look at this and suggest why it was included?
05:45:21saratoga3478http://pastebin.ca/567771
05:45:35saratoga3478do codecs and plugins not have access to the same util functions?
05:45:40scorche|palmyou /can/ put it there, but you don't really want to put it there
05:46:05saratoga3478Guest86460: you probably shouldn't mess around with the .rockbox folder, since its got the firmware in it
05:46:11scorche|palmmost common route would be to make a 'music' folder
05:46:33safetydansaratoga3478, codecs have their own equivalent of the plugin structure. So yes, if a plugin wanted to start a codec up, it would need to populate the ci structure from the rb one.
05:46:55Guest86460Ok, and if I do that the albums etc will appear as normal?
05:47:36scorche|palmif you do what?
05:47:53saratoga3478safetydan: could you tell me a bit more about that? i have no idea how rockbox handles these things
05:48:00saratoga3478what would be needed by the plugin?
05:48:23Guest86460If I make a music folder in the drive directory and put all my albums in there, they will be on the player as normal?
05:49:03saratoga3478Guest86460: yes, just try it
05:49:34Guest86460thanks a lot!
05:51:58Guest86460Yes, it worked. Thanks again
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06:04:43safetydansaratoga3478, codecs are basically the same as plugins. They have their own equivalent to the plugin_api called codec_api. The codec_api struct is passed in to the codec when it is started up.
06:06:01safetydanAt a guess, due to the way the plugin/codec loader works, the function pointers in the codec_api struct won't work when called by a codec running inside a plugin. So that code snippet you posted overwrites some of the function pointers with ones from the plugin_api struct.
06:07:14safetydanThe test_codec plugin does something similar actually http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/test_codec.c?revision=13484&view=markup
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07:03:35ptw419i have a question regarding getting a custom build working
07:03:57ptw419i'm trying to get a preliminary build w/ a gigabeat S target tree working
07:04:31ptw419for some reason after bmprb is built, make is not finding the next build
07:04:47ptw419is there something in configure, or in the config files i am missing?
07:06:28JdGordonptw419: have you se the cpu manufacturer and model variabls in confirue?
07:12:54ptw419yes]
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07:13:32gantrixxwhat is wrong with the website?
07:13:36ptw419do you mean the section in the menu selection where you specify what type of arm architecture?
07:14:02gantrixxmany of the pages time out
07:14:04ptw419or maybe a different section that i am not aware of...
07:14:52ptw419or you mean the target tree variables?
07:14:56JdGordonptw419: what errors are you getting? If its cant fid include paths then your configure script wasnt done rihgt
07:15:40ptw419after bmprb i just get "
07:15:49ptw419"*** [all] Error 2"
07:16:04ptw419bug make -d output looks like make can't find the targets
07:16:25JdGordonpastebin your fixed confgireu script?
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07:16:39gantrixxthe website is all jacked up
07:16:44gantrixxit won't display
07:17:20JdGordon2007-06-15: Devcon West 2007 and new IP address and faster connection for www.rockbox.org <- the first news itm... probably your problem
07:17:51gantrixxI go to www.rockbox.org
07:18:12ptw419http://pastebin.com/929393
07:18:21gantrixxit's other pages from their that don't display
07:18:48ptw419mainly i just edited the menu selection part for now.
07:19:21ptw419its not much different from the regular gigabeat f/x section, could this be the problem?
07:20:06gantrixxI can't get to build.rockbox.org
07:20:29JdGordonptw419: you missing appextra="recorder:gui" but I dont tinhk that will matter if you cant get firmware to build either
07:21:37JdGordonptw419: you have created the target tree folders with the necassery -target.h files?
07:22:00ptw419none yet
07:22:22ptw419would that prevent it from getting past that certain part?
07:22:37JdGordonI think so
07:22:52ptw419i could try that.
07:23:12JdGordonim not sure which -target.h files you actually need thhuogh
07:23:22ptw419i could just put in a couple of stubs
07:23:26ptw419for now
07:23:53JdGordonI gtg, good luck
07:24:08ptw419ok thanks for the help :)
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07:49:54gantrixxcan anyone get to build.rockbox.org?
07:50:04midkayserver upgrades going on today, i believe..
07:50:13midkay(no, i can't, it's down)
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08:24:53spawn968Is anyone else having problems accessing http://build.rockbox.org ?
08:28:34ptw419i found out what was wrong w/ the build
08:28:49ptw419for some reason i had junk in the config.h file...i don't remember how it got there....
08:31:51amiconnjhMikeS: are you around?
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08:43:40jhMikeSamiconn: here
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08:45:26amiconnjhMikeS: (1) Regarding the -Os problem - most codecs don't suffer from it because they use codec libraries which are built with their own -O options
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08:45:50amiconnBut spc is special in that it does all the decoding in the main spc.c, and has no lib
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08:46:17amiconnI think that codecs should all be built with -O2 (and their libraries keeping their own options for tuning)
08:47:18amiconnBut I would also like to see a way to assign special -O settings to certain source files in a dir, like certain plugins or the dsp code in the core
08:47:51amiconnSo if you had an idea how to do this...
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08:48:37jhMikeSnot off hand really...except make a library even if it doesn't have it's own code?
08:50:12amiconn(2) Regarding the PP5020 - do you know what special tests could be done? Perhaps I'll have a target for testing available for a few days...
08:50:15jhMikeSthe sid codec is affected a couple % as well but nothing as severly as spc
08:50:44amiconnThe codecs are no problem, as they should simply be built with -O2. All of them.
08:51:01jhMikeS-Os actually seems to help vorbis
08:51:16amiconnI'm not talking about the libs...
08:51:56jhMikeSI just changed the global one and saw a benefit
08:52:34amiconnTremor is built with -O3 on cf, and -O2 on arm
08:52:47amiconnOnly vorbis.c is affected by the main -O level
08:53:11jhMikeSoh, and tests on PP5020 re: the dual core stuff?
08:53:18amiconnyes
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08:54:58jhMikeSI have about a hundred that I'd get led to depending on what happens, but I suspect interrupts are dyning unless cpsr is being fiddled with
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09:06:31siniIs anyone around?
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09:07:14sinidownload.rockbox.org is down, so I can't get to the manual first of all...
09:08:08sinibut my ipod is 'frozen' −− it doesn't respond to controls −− though the backlight does come on when you touch it. When I plug it in under windows it shows up as an unkown device.
09:08:15siniAnd I can't turn it off to reset it
09:08:25siniI've held play down for a minute straight :(
09:09:20siniI should say it's an ipod photo
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09:11:31petursini: the wiki is accessible: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort
09:12:26peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash
09:13:38siniAlright thanks. :)
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09:14:03siniI was trying every button combination except for that one :-/
09:14:15peturare we getting the new IP address today?
09:14:44*pondlife wonders if the new address is in place already and hence the "missing" servers?
09:15:05B4gdernew IP in.. 6 hours
09:15:24pondlifeAny chance that the build server will be accessible before then?
09:15:56PresenceHoly crap, there's a freaking rockbox convention here in Vegas!
09:16:02B4gderthe current problem is unrelated to the new IP stuff
09:17:13pondlifeGood! I guess :/
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09:22:19advcomp2019is there any way i can help with the sansa e200r
09:23:14*petur wants this feature in rockbox: http://www.soundofmotion.com/somo/products.jsp
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09:25:49Zagorpetur: making noise when you drive? ;)
09:26:38peturyes, coupled to the speed you drive
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09:26:57peturwhen biking, it would help getting noticed ;)
09:27:11jhMikeSamiconn: If I can use mailboxes, a core lock in the scheduler should be basically unneded (but probably won't fix the 5020 issue I'm guessing). The interaction between the schedulers is basically that of waking a thread on another core which can be handled by the core the thread beongs to and that will block the other core until the interrupt is cleared.
09:27:14*petur was able to avoid an accident again yesterday
09:28:18Zagorpetur: I can't quite see the connection to Rockbox though
09:28:44Zagorbuild/svn/download server is back up
09:29:00peturattach a speed measuring device to my player and let rockbox do the sound generation
09:29:29peturif I get usbotg working ;)
09:29:57Zagor...and connect an USB speaker
09:30:06Zagorthat doesn't require external power
09:30:26petursounds like a plan ;)
09:30:36Zagorhaving the noise in your headphones won't help much :-)
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09:31:37advcomp2019i was wondering how can i help get rockbox working on the sansa e200r's
09:32:28Zagoradvcomp2019: let me turn the question around: how can you help us? do you have such a player? do you know how it works internally? are you a programmer?
09:33:50B4gderadvcomp2019: are you familiar with the problems we have on the R?
09:35:38advcomp2019i have a sansa e280r... i was wondering if i could help... i am not a programmer... i like the idea of rockbox but put it on my e280r
09:36:19B4gderthen I'm not sure what you can do
09:36:28B4gderwe need to figure out how to replace the bootloader
09:36:58B4gderI would assume the "best" way to do that is to learn more from the extracted one
09:37:04B4gderreading assembly mostly
09:41:16merbztB4gder: isn't the best way just to patch the return from the signature check ?
09:41:48B4gderwell, to patch that we need to put a patched version on the player
09:42:04B4gderand the question is how
09:42:18B4gdermrh made us a patched version
09:42:35merbztso the issue is how to write to the player
09:42:39B4gderyes
09:43:00B4gderthey changed the way completely from the vanilla to the R
09:43:17merbztthey changed the hardware also ?
09:43:21B4gderthere's even the slight risk that it just isn't possible
09:43:37B4gdermerbzt: not that we know
09:43:52B4gderbut I don't think I've seen any proper R model dissect
09:45:08merbztso the code that updates the boot loader on non R models don't work when run on the R models ?
09:45:16B4gderexactly
09:45:44B4gdersince the R models don't store/read the bootloadeer from the same place
09:46:50merbztok, does the R model have the feature to update the BL even ?
09:46:54B4gdernope
09:47:01B4gdernot in their bootloader
09:47:40merbztwell then we just have to break their signature :)
09:47:51B4gderhaha, yeah
09:47:58B4gder160bits ain't that many ;-P
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09:53:13merbztB4gder: do you know where the firmware is stored ?
09:53:27B4gderno
09:53:46B4gderwe just don't know that much about the R models
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09:54:51merbztso it might even be stored on rom for all we know
09:55:06B4gderno, I believe you can upgrade
09:55:22B4gderjust not the bootloader
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10:00:26merbztI meant that the BL could reside in ROM
10:00:40B4gderyes
10:01:20merbztbut that would mean another chip which costs money so it unlikely
10:02:19merbztback to square one
10:02:35B4gderanyway, figuring this out is tricky
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10:16:28lazkahow good is the emulator for the sansa?
10:17:56B4gdertry it and find out ;-)
10:18:34*B4gder did a little rant for neuros
10:19:51lazkaB4gder: ok :)
10:20:05B4gderI never tried the emulator as it is windows only
10:20:24lazkaB4gder: oh, win only, so not for me
10:20:28lazkacrap
10:20:48B4gderyeah, but once we get in in svn we can join in and make it multi platform
10:21:30B4gderI would also like to see if we can use it as a more generic emulator for other arm-based targets too
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10:34:32pondlifepetur: Let me know if you get speed detection working ;) I've long wanted a car stereo that knows to turn up the volume as the diesel engine revs up...
10:35:03peturhehe
10:35:20B4gdermy stereo changes volume based on speed
10:35:23peturseems the idea is not soooo bad
10:35:36pondlifeB4gder: Which model of stereo?
10:35:47B4gdera built-in saab one
10:35:54*petur has no aux on his car radio :(
10:36:11B4gderit has aux in too ;-)
10:36:14pondlifeAh, ok. I've not seen an aftermarket stereo with a speed/revs input
10:36:18peturwell I have, but it's used by the cd changer
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10:36:29Zagorpondlife: no, it's a stock-stereo thing
10:36:51*pondlife has an old car which came with an AM/cassette only
10:37:15pondlifeStock-stereos have improved in the past 20 years.
10:38:03Zagoryou really want speed, not revs...
10:38:38pondlifeBack OT, what is stopping us providing daily voice files? Quality of Festival, licensing..?
10:38:52B4gdernothing really
10:38:56B4gderI have a script pending
10:39:05B4gderfestival isn't top notch but it works
10:39:08pondlifeDing! That's the right answer
10:39:26B4gderI even made a fancy caching system for the strings
10:39:40pondlifeNo chance of a MS-Mary one? I assume that would need farming out to a Windows box :/
10:39:50B4gderyeah, I can't do that part
10:40:04pondlifeI could provide the Windows box
10:40:22pondlifeSlow uplink speed, but not too bad for a daily thing.
10:40:48B4gderthen perhaps I should just provide my script and perhaps it can be run on cygwin on a windows box
10:41:02pondlifeHmm, can Cygwin access SAPI?
10:41:11B4gderI don't know crap about that stuff
10:41:12pondlifeI was using the .vbs method
10:41:31B4gderyeah, my script might not offer much good for windows
10:41:43pondlifeI could happily set up a job to build a new file and put it on an FTP site...
10:42:16B4gderwould you be able to provide rsync access?
10:42:23pondlifeHmm, not sure.
10:42:32B4gderthe download server pulls stuff using rsync atm
10:42:36pondlifeDoes it need anything more than a new file uploading (or downloadable)?
10:42:49pondlifeOK, very probably - it's just an IP port to open, right?
10:43:01B4gderyes, it is just one port
10:43:10pondlifeOr does it need a service/daemon to be running?
10:43:19B4gderthat too
10:43:21pondlife:(
10:43:38amiconnpondlife: It's just some scripting that's necessary to get sapi voice building working in the build system
10:43:39pondlifeThe box concerned is my PVR too, I'd rather keep it clear of background stuff.
10:44:10pondlifeMaybe I'll see how I like the output from Festival or whateve first.
10:44:14amiconnThat's one of the tasks sitting on my todo list for a too long time :(
10:44:37pondlifepixelma pointed out how slow new options are to get voiced.
10:44:54amiconnThe build system can lauch whatever is reachable via the path, so running a vbscript (via cscript.exe) is no problem
10:45:58Zagorcould it be possible to make ms-mary in a wine environment?
10:46:15Zagoror, rather, create a wine-environment that can make ms-mary voices
10:46:18amiconnMost probably not
10:46:28B4gderthe need for automated voices will be noticable once we go target-specific voice files
10:46:29amiconnIt would require installing sapi under wine
10:46:47pondlifeI'm assuming that MS-Mary sounds nicer than any Festival output.... or any other freely-distributable voice.
10:46:58B4gderthat's my assumption too
10:47:08amiconnI wouldn't know how to do that - sapi integrates tightly with the os
10:49:04Zagoramiconn: here's an article about that: http://www.texttospeechblog.com/2007_02_01_archive.html
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10:52:49Zagoror, rather, this is the proper link: http://nextup.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3349
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10:57:13amiconnthink it'd be easier to just build the voices on windows
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11:13:17austriancoderpetur: ping
11:13:37peturplonk
11:14:07austriancoderhave you looked in wasabi for device stuff?
11:14:28peturah no time... sorry
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11:15:07peturbut it should be there as the demo app can browse files of the attached demo app
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11:15:35austriancoderbut there are no descriptors defined in the whole source
11:16:00peturhmmm
11:17:12austriancodercould you check it for me over the weekend? it also could be that i have overseen it
11:17:30peturI'll really try to look at it tonight or tomorrow
11:18:19peturthis week has been really bad and next week will be worse, major deadline here at work and doing lots of overtime
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11:18:41peppoI'm about to try rockbox on my ipod 80gb 5.5th generation. which manual applies, "iPod Video"?
11:18:52B4gderpeppo: yes
11:18:53GodEater__peppo: yep
11:19:01austriancoderpetur: no problem.. i also have my this and next week to do some stuff for university
11:20:30peturok
11:21:18austriancoderjhMikeS: ping
11:21:57peturall that pinging is bad for the whales, you know
11:22:43*austriancoder ...
11:24:00austriancoderI think I will write him a mail...
11:24:23peturconsider the timezone....
11:24:57B4gderis mike going to devconwest?
11:25:30B4gdernah seems not
11:31:58pondlifeGodEater_: What time were you thinking for "DevConPub"?
11:32:18peturlol
11:32:30jhMikeSaustriancoder: pong
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11:33:14austriancoderjhMikeS: check your mails :)
11:33:18jhMikeSok
11:33:43pondlifebrb
11:39:05peppois this tool not functional now: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache
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11:48:35pondlifepeppo: I believe that's obsolete
11:49:25pondlifeSlasher will know for sure
11:49:33pondlifeSlasheri even
11:49:41pepposeems to have worked
11:49:51pondlifeWell, shows how little I know!
11:49:55peppois there a preferred place to put music on my ipod w/rockbox?
11:50:09pondlifeNot really, anywhere you want..
11:50:16Slasherii don't think that tool has been updated
11:50:37pondlifepeppo: Probably best not under the .rockbox directory though
11:50:40peppoand I am slightly unsure, will the drive contents be rescanned every time, or do I need to update the database?
11:51:02pondlifeDepends if you enable database updating
11:51:35pondlifeIf you do it will rescan occasionally. Or you can just force an update - context menu from the Database option is the easiest way
11:52:09pondlifeSlasheri: That reminds me - what triggers the auto-update? I've left it for 2 hours and it didn't do it...
11:54:02jhMikeSaustriancoder: response transmitted
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11:54:47pepporockbox seem to be working fine on my 5.5g 80gb ipod
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11:56:07lymecaDoes Rockbox use Tremor to decode the Vorbis audio format?
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12:08:28austriancoderjhMikeS: mail :)
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12:11:08[Ray]austriancoder: descriptors are in dc_chap9.c
12:12:51austriancoder[Ray]: ok found.. this source code looks very dirty
12:15:25[Ray]yah it is, i'm amazed you guys picked that one, i'm used to lpcusb and love the simplicity of it
12:16:54markun[Ray]: the reasons are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbSoftwareStack
12:17:18austriancoder[Ray]: petur is working with it to get otg working with wasabe... I did my stuff from scratch, but will be merged later
12:18:39PaulJamhi, i have a little question about h300 buttonmapping: in the "browse plugins" list PLAY goes to the wps, but in all the other "browse xxx" lists PLAY only goes up one level. is this intended?
12:18:40[Ray]markun: i read those can't help the feeling the only reason wasabi was really chosen because it has implementation of some default classes
12:19:21markun[Ray]: well, I guess petur and austriancoder are the people to ask about that
12:19:32[Ray]austriancoder: i'm playing with the otg stuff, but haven't got it as far as it actually reads a packet and responds to it
12:20:39austriancoder[Ray]: for otg you must ask petur.. I am doing atm only the device part of it
12:21:18[Ray]well i meant the otg usb controller thing , i too only care about implementing devices with it
12:21:34[Ray]implemented a G15 LCD device on the lpc once
12:21:37[Ray]that was a ton of fun
12:21:46[Ray]should be cool for rockbox too
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12:39:58guyzmoI'm still getting file missing rockbox.ipod not found at rockbox startup on my 5.5g ipod
12:40:17guyzmoall the messages I read from the forum says that 2.2.2 from the manual has not been correctly followed
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12:40:50guyzmobut I can assure I did follow the manual, that I have extracted the .zip at the root of the ipod
12:41:03guyzmoand it can't boot
12:41:31DerPapstguyzmo: have you formated the fat32 partition in linux?
12:41:41guyzmoDerPapst - I think so
12:41:44guyzmoI don't have windows
12:42:06DerPapstit's a problem with makefs and 5.5G iPods
12:42:11guyzmourgh
12:42:18guyzmois there a way to correct that ?
12:42:20DerPapstyou have to format the fat32 partition with mformat
12:42:32guyzmouhuh
12:42:39DerPapstwait a sec...
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12:43:18DerPapsthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32#For_5_5G_80Gb_iPods
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12:44:11DerPapstbut the args passed to mformat are for 5.5G 80GB iPods. you have to change them to fit your 30GB one
12:44:37DerPapst-S and -M can stay
12:45:12DerPapst-t has to canged definitely
12:45:31DerPapstnot sure about -h and -s
12:45:34guyzmoI have a 80GB :)
12:45:42guyzmook that rocks
12:46:03DerPapstoh...
12:46:11DerPapstthen i missread something :P
12:46:22guyzmothank you
12:46:31GodEaterwould be nice if we could find someone with a 30G 5.5G and get the ths numbers from it
12:46:57DerPapst-t should be 909 for the 30GB one
12:47:15DerPapstbut i have no idea what -s and -h are for
12:47:22GodEatersectors and heads
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12:48:48DerPapstGodEater: maybe you could add that to the wiki page and tell them that 30GB 5.5G owners have to do this step as well and that they have to figure out the -s and -h values first
12:49:03guyzmogotta go
12:49:08guyzmobut really that rocks :)
12:49:12guyzmothank you
12:49:24DerPapstnp :)
12:51:18GodEaterDerPapst: do we actually know that 30GB owners *do* need to do it ?
12:51:36DerPapstbtw.. do we already know for sure that the 30GB 5.5G iPod has "only" 32MB ram?
12:51:44DerPapstGodEater: yes
12:51:50GodEaterDerPapst: no we don't know that either
12:52:20DerPapstThere are reported cases about that issue on the IPL wiki
12:52:37GodEaterwhat did those users do ?
12:52:42DerPapstfor 30GB 5.5G iPods (missing rockbox.ipod)
12:52:56GodEaterwhy on EARTH are they posting to iPL about it ?1?!
12:53:01DerPapstformat the iPod with makefs.vfat in linux
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12:54:07GodEaterso mformat wasn't required ?
12:54:16DerPapstGodEater: this was at the early beginnings of a working 5.5G port in iPL... and rockbox already had support for the 30GB iPods
12:54:27indigio3can anyone tell me the type of drive the gigabeat F40 uses? I want to upgrade it to a 60gb or 80gb
12:54:41DerPapstand they assumed something was wrong on the instructions over at iPL
12:54:42markunindigio3: which one do you have now?
12:54:50indigio3F40
12:55:01indigio3oh wait soryr
12:55:08DerPapstGodEater: the one who reported that formatted his iPod in windows again
12:55:20indigio3the one that comes with it (i havent got the gigabeat yet.. it's on its way..)
12:55:53DerPapstGodEater: since you can create 32GB fatpartitions in windows without problems that option works.
12:55:55markunindigio3: then you can update to a 60 or 80 1.8" drive from Toshiba with a 40-pin ata connector (not the ZIF connector)
12:56:07GodEaterDerPapst: indeed :)
12:56:11markunamiconn: which model is it for the 80GB one?
12:56:13DerPapstGodEater: but not for linux users :P
12:56:31indigio3markun: thanks - can you point out the ones that would suit me on this website as I am such a n00b.. :-) http://www.span.com/
12:56:37GodEaterwell we need a savvy linux user to come and work it out for us
12:56:43GodEaterone that owns the required iPod
12:56:47markunindigio3: sure, just a minute
12:56:54indigio3markun: thanks dude
12:57:05DerPapstGodEater: in case you edit the wiki could you also please add that reformatting the Fat32 partition on 30GB iPods works but not on 80GB ones?
12:57:21DerPapst*in windows of course
12:57:23GodEaterreformatting from windows you mean /
12:57:24GodEaterright
12:57:28DerPapst:)
12:57:43GodEateryou don't have wiki rights yourself ? :)
12:57:46markunindigio3: http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_504_1801&products_id=6016&osCsid=c3748a8193ea5f81f225fc417335515a
12:58:12indigio3excellent - so basically is it any of the drives ending in GAH?
12:58:30markunindigio3: so, MK6007GAH or MK8007GAH
12:58:40DerPapstGodEater: no. i tried once and was too dumb to read the instructions.
12:58:46DerPapst:P
12:58:47indigio3markun: right... but it says on the site "50 pin"
12:58:51markunindigio3: yes, any drive with GAH, but not with a ZIF connector
12:58:56markunok, 50 it is then :)
12:58:57indigio3ok
12:58:58GodEaterhahahaha
12:59:16indigio3markun: ahh.. im confused with all these connectors.. so i deffo is the 50 pinner?
12:59:20markunyes
12:59:29indigio3right
12:59:38indigio3another quesiton (can I PM you?)
12:59:54markunsure
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13:00:17markunindigio3: petur also has such a 80GB drive
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13:00:20pixelmaGodEater: IIRC Slasheri has such a 5.5g 30GB Ipod
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13:08:41peturindigio3: the GAH indication is not related to the connector, the MK8007GAH was the last one (highest capacity) to have a 'normal' ATA connector (not ZIF)
13:08:45amiconnmarkun: MK8007GAH is correct. Will fit the iriver H140, H340, X5 60GB, M5 40GB, gigabeat F40
13:09:16amiconnThe MK8009GAH has a zif connector and won't fit mentioned targets
13:09:30petursadly it seems nowhere to be found nowadays
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13:13:58peturwhoa... seagate lists 1.8" 120GB drives (sadly also ZIF)
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13:15:27pixelmapetur: yes they also have a 60GB single platter (without the right connector though :\ )
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13:15:45markunpetur: do you think we could make convertors for the connectors?
13:15:53DerPapstdoes the ipod video have ZIF?
13:16:04markunI think so
13:16:19markunthe Gigabeat S also has a ZIF connector
13:16:27peturthere's a site that has details on that (zif <-> ide), I forget the url all the time
13:16:27markundon't know if it's ZIF-40 or ZIF-18
13:16:53markunpetur: the voltage is different, right? 3.3 instead of 5?
13:17:19peturno idea
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13:21:07PaulJammarkun: here is a description of a selfmade IDE ZIF adapter for h300: http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf
13:21:19markunthank!
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13:21:55DerPapstiPod Videos are using ZIF-40
13:21:55peturyes, that's the url I forget
13:22:22peppoI've added some music in a folder called "musik" in the root of my iPod 80GB. however, the database is not detecting the music
13:22:50PaulJampeppo: have you enabled auto update?
13:23:13peppoPaulJam, no, I forced an update
13:23:18peppo(in background)
13:23:22peppohowever, a reboot solved it
13:24:03DerPapstgtg.. work
13:24:06peppothanks bye
13:24:07DerPapstsee you
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13:24:41PaulJampeppo: i think it works without a reboot if you have database in RAM enabled.
13:24:46markunPaulJam: I wonder what the "ZIF kanal" connections are going to
13:26:43safetydan_hrm, this sorting tags thing isn't that easy :(
13:28:11peppoexplicit reboot doesn't work here
13:28:15peppoI press Menu and the Middle button
13:28:18peppofor many seconds
13:31:34peppo"Please reboot to enable"
13:31:47peppowhen I try to enter the Database menu. but I'm not able to reboot
13:32:36pixelmayou should be able to reboot normally (hold "Play" to switch off)
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13:45:23markunpetur: do you think there would be interest here in the rockbox community for these ZIF converters?
13:46:57peturpossibly.... but not that many I fear
13:48:09markunI would like to buy a cheap Gigabeat F10 and add one of these 60GB toshiba drives
13:48:49markunor maybe a harddiskless Gigabeat from toffe
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14:16:31daurnimatorhey
14:16:34daurnimatorwhen is the devcon starting?
14:16:46B4gderin... 10 hours or so
14:18:18B4gderand in less than 1 hour we'll shutdown the www.rockbox.org site for network change
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14:20:13B4gderyeah
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14:22:45chrisjs169ok, just noticed B4gder mention a network change, does that explain the weirdness of download.rockbox.org?
14:22:58B4gderno
14:23:10B4gderwhat weirdnesS?
14:23:35chrisjs169don't tell me this computer is eff'd up again
14:23:59chrisjs169i can't really explain it
14:24:05chrisjs169it's in uhh....japanese
14:24:09B4gderthat server was down previously today, but should work fine now
14:24:19B4gderor rather apache was down, not the server itself
14:25:15B4gdertime to go yank cables
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14:29:12chrisjs169here's a screenshot of what i'm getting
14:29:36chrisjs169http://i17.tinypic.com/6g9t8hs.png
14:30:45Zagorchrisjs169: your local dns is on drugs :)
14:31:21chrisjs169Zagor: That's what I thought, but wget says otherwise
14:31:36Zagorwell it doesn't look like that from here anyway
14:32:19chrisjs169that's sort of the problem - yesterday Google and Digg both on showed HitboxGateway[version number]
14:33:22chrisjs169meh, now it's working, but this is starting to get weird
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14:34:18Zagorchrisjs169: well you're on verizon, what can you expect? ;)
14:34:45chrisjs169Zagor: Yeah, but I thought my DNS entries were for opendns
14:34:56chrisjs169...and they're not
14:35:37chrisjs169now they are :P
14:35:42Zagorwell, now I'm off to reconfigure our local net
14:36:01Zagorexpect some downtime to www
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14:41:38*amiconn advises to use real clients :P
14:42:21*petur asks amiconn to have a chat with the network admin here at work
14:42:35petur"no chatting!"
14:42:52*petur should try that port 8000 trick
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14:59:04markunamiconn: it is single platter, and so is the seagate 60gb drive
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15:06:29XavierGrpetur: are you on a real irc client (and which)?
15:06:35XavierGr+now
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15:16:58klndz3before I go searching
15:17:14klndz3does anyone have this same problem with an ipod video
15:17:20klndz3specifically the 80gig
15:17:41klndz3My battery meter has gone down 6 percent in 10 minutes
15:17:55klndz3and it says only around 2 hours and some odd minutes
15:18:06klndz3the ipod is brand new
15:18:52peturremaining time is unreliable and ipod batterylife under rockbox is bad
15:19:04klndz3ok
15:19:12klndz3so I shouldn't even worry about that?
15:19:21peturthere's a wiki page (ipodruntime I think)
15:19:52klndz3I found it
15:19:54klndz3Thank you!
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16:10:14markunOzgur_: but I don't know if it's worth the efford to split the synthesis part from flite and make espeak use it
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16:10:52Lynx_did the website ip change?
16:10:59Ozgur_eSpeak is written in C++. Is it no problem?
16:11:06Ozgur_Flite is pure c
16:11:11Ozgur_mostly ansi
16:11:17markunYes, that's a slight problem
16:11:26markunbut almost all is just pure C
16:11:32Ozgur_hmm
16:11:59markunIt's just the translator class which needs to be replaced by a struct with function pointers
16:12:31markunI talked to the author about it and he wouldn't mind having espeak in C
16:12:44markunbut at the time he thought it would be easier to implement it this way
16:13:26The-CompilerUh? Is the rockbox-website down?
16:13:54markunyes, it is
16:14:18The-Compilerwhy?
16:14:27The-Compilerbecause the new server?
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16:16:48markunI guess so
16:18:43Lynx_is the website down, or just IP change?
16:19:20LloreanI seem to recall mention of a planned IP change.
16:19:37LloreanWhich is good, really, I thought my connection was just being a hassle
16:19:57Ozgur_markun: yes it seems mostly c to me : http://espeak.sourceforge.net/speak_lib.h
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16:20:29Lynx_hmm, ok
16:20:35bonbonthejonis the website down?
16:20:55SaltShakeryes
16:21:04SaltShakerIP change
16:21:12bonbonthejonok, wanted to make sure it wasn't a problem on my end
16:21:15markunOzgur_: yes, it's really just the Translator class
16:21:33Ozgur_but, mrola is not open source
16:21:38Ozgur_mbrola
16:21:41markunno, it isn't
16:21:59Ozgur_it is given as a dll Mbrola.dll: http://www.tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/mbrolatools.html
16:22:10Ozgur_so we can not port it I assume
16:22:14Ozgur_BRB
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16:29:20Ozgur_markun how do I switch to private conv.?
16:29:50markunOzgur_: you can use "/query markun" for example
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16:37:41chrisjs169About how long is the site expected to be down?
16:38:19n1schrisjs169: we don't estimate dates/times :-)
16:38:44*Llorean hopes it's up in the next 5 hours.
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16:45:59Topic"Planned downtime of www.rockbox.org: IP change | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Rockbox Devcon 2007 Highlights - http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/ | DevCon-West: - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConWest2007" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
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16:47:11*petur thinks is't funny to refer to the www server in the channel topic when it's down
16:48:40LloreanShouldn't I still be able to get to forums. still?
16:48:53markunI'm on the forum right now
16:48:57n1sLlorean: you should, I can
16:49:17LloreanAlright, so I'll mark that one down to "cingular hates Paul"
16:50:42amiconnpetur: hehe, you're right
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16:54:24gantrixxsomeplace on the web that is up?
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17:14:48chrisjs169n1s: isn't the download server down as well?
17:15:04n1schrisjs169: nope
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17:15:32chrisjs169n1s: maybe my dns is messed up then
17:16:00n1schrisjs169: they changed the ip so it's likely that the dns hasn't updated yet
17:16:10n1syou dns I mean
17:16:18n1syour even
17:18:02chrisjs169apparently ns1.rockbox.org (and ns2) are timing out
17:20:11n1syou can read the build table here :-) http://83.168.254.42
17:21:33n1sand download current builds
17:24:07chrisjs169yeah, i got the ip
17:31:32n1samiconn: I found a mandelbrot bug (I think) if i zoom in like 50 times the screen filles with one solid colour, blue on player, red in sim and zooming out does only show the solid colour too after that happends.
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17:45:07amiconnIt's a known effect. You simply reached the precision limit of the fixed point arithmetic
17:45:19n1sah, ok
17:46:01amiconnPerhaps the plugin should prevent zooming that far
17:46:13amiconnOr add 64 bit arithmetics for super-zoomers ;)
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17:46:45n1smight be nice, but it's painfully slow at that level already so I don't think it's important
17:47:32amiconn64bit would be significantly slower
17:48:09amiconnRegarding speed, were you testing on cf or arm?
17:48:27n1samiconn: cf but not with your latest change
17:48:52n1sbut it is like 5 seconds per frame at the highets zoom levels
17:49:12amiconnIt's more if you increase the # of iterations
17:51:01amiconnAnd cf is significantly faster than arm
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18:17:59AceNik_hey uys is the website down?
18:18:06SaltShakerIP Change
18:18:08SaltShakerso yes
18:18:16AceNik_how much time?
18:19:55AceNik_has the devcon started, is the webcam up?
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18:31:05Cl0wnanyone here who can help me ?
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18:34:03pixelmaif we only knew with what... i.e. just ask your question and if someone knows the answer (and it is a rockbox question) s/he will ;)
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18:38:46n1sCl0wn: what's the problem?
18:40:04Cl0wn[n1s]: u know if i can install that games(apple) for ipod on rockbox OS ?
18:40:47n1sCl0wn: no you can't run the apple games in rockbox
18:41:14LearItunes AAC has a pretty large encoder delay, it seems...
18:41:28Cl0wn[n1s]: ok tks
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18:43:40n1shmm, at least 4 plugins crash in the 64 bit sim, two with a segfault in settings.c but the others with segfaults in libc.so and something to do with pthreads...
18:43:57*n1s is no god at debugging...
18:44:06n1sno good either
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19:45:18PaulJam_little question: if you run a plugin from the brower and it creates or removes a file, the filebrowser doesn't show the changes unless you exit and enter the dir again. does this count as a bug?
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20:11:53Doomed_is the rockbox site down?
20:12:35PaulJam_see topic
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20:13:07mpeccoriniDoomed: it appears so
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20:13:35DerPapstpssst... enjoy the silence :)
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20:16:03chrisjs169ahh...good ol' silence
20:17:16BigBambiIs the site back up yet? I ask as I'm behind a stupid proxy, and I think it may have not updated the IP yet. If it is up, can someone throw me the IP so I can do it manually?
20:18:32Doomed_oh nvm then =D
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20:29:25chrisjs169forums and download server are up
20:30:31drofdarbword
20:30:43chrisjs169...word?
20:31:05drofdarbjust doing some maintenance?
20:31:33chrisjs169Look at the topic
20:31:35chrisjs169"The channel topic is "Planned downtime of www.rockbox.org: IP change "
20:31:40drofdarbhehe
20:31:42drofdarb=)
20:31:46chrisjs169lol
20:31:57*drofdarb has his head buryed in the first meal of the day ;)
20:32:25*drofdarb pulls his head out of his ass =P
20:32:43chrisjs169lol
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20:35:43peturhow
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20:36:21peturI think you underestimate the effort required to create and maintain rockbox
20:36:31drofdarbWith all the other OSS projects competing against each other, I'm just surprised that there isn't another project with similar goals as rockbox.
20:36:43drofdarbpetur: definitely don't underestimate the effort
20:36:56drofdarbJust took a course in digital systems and have begun to understand ;)
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20:37:16drofdarbBut *nix stuff has to be someone similar (in concept that is)
20:37:26peturOSS is a lot easier if only software is involved, we're talking abour reverse engineering hardware here
20:37:56drofdarbpetur: I know ;) I just said I took a course in digital systems (IE circuitry)
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20:39:48drofdarbDon't get me wrong, I'm not dissatisfied with rockbox in the least. I just think that having a couple other groups around might spread the area covered in terms of devices.
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20:42:04drofdarb<3
20:42:07*linuxstb is sorry to ask this (but he can't read the IRC logs) - what's the new IP address, and are the servers alive?
20:42:28peturnot seen 'm yet
20:43:35chrisjs169if there is a new ip, we haven't seen it yet
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21:05:33The-CompilerAnd the site is dooown.... |-)
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21:07:11amiconnHmm, am I the only one who can access forums but not download?
21:07:38amiconnI want to adjust the topic to better reflect current status
21:08:07DerPapstafaik the www server is down.. how can you access the forums?
21:08:25amiconnforums.rockbox.org
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21:08:34amiconnIt's a completely different server
21:08:39DerPapstah
21:08:43amiconn...een on a different continent
21:08:48amiconns/een/even/
21:09:04DerPapstheH :)
21:10:17Mode"#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
21:11:05Topic"Planned downtime of www.rockbox.org: IP change | Forums are reachable: http://forums.rockbox.org/" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
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21:11:54DerPapstmaybe the stuff that is uploaded to the forums is hosted on the www server?
21:14:05The-Compilerwww.rockbox-themes.org works, too
21:14:25amiconnThat's not an official rockbox site
21:14:48The-CompilerBut it works :P
21:16:48The-Compilerhave anyone of you a clue, how long the downtowne takes?
21:17:42DerPapst5 more days
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21:25:59drofdarbHm, well I was going to look up information regarding wps screen building. But perhaps you guys have an answer to my question. Is it at all possible to use different fonts between the wps screen and the menu screen?
21:26:54TrueJournalsBLARGH... I can't get to rockbox.org :'(
21:27:03drofdarbYes, we know
21:27:10PaulJamdrofdarb: not with the official build
21:27:22TrueJournalsIs it just still changing and everyone's having this problem?
21:27:47TrueJournalsWhat's the new IP address?
21:28:23chrisjs169we don't know...
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21:30:28TrueJournalsDoes anyone remember what the old IP was?
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21:31:42drofdarbdie
21:33:11amiconnI don't know the current state, but even when done, the IP change will take some time to propagate
21:33:39TrueJournalsYes, but I was going to edit my hosts file to point rockbox.org to the new ip
21:33:42*amiconn hopes the guys were clever enough to reduce the ttl of teh dns entry beforehand
21:34:41TrueJournalsI can't even get to the forums right now...
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21:49:19major_worksThis has probably been asked, but is the Rockbox website down?
21:50:13DerPapstyup
21:50:22TrueJournalsSee the topic
21:50:41major_worksThanks. Any ETA for getting it online again?
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21:55:22DerPapstmajor_works: no.
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21:58:26major_worksHa... I finally figured out "see the topic" from TrueJournals. I didn't think that was for me but now I get it. Just a little slow here. Thanks all.
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21:58:51TrueJournals;-)
21:59:27Bagderwww2.rockbox.org might work sooner
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22:26:04ZagorI'm upgrading the server. cgiirc clients may get disconnected
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22:27:01The-CompilerZagor: after the homepage isn't longer down?
22:27:07The-Compiler*after this
22:27:19Bagderit is already up
22:27:52The-CompilerI can't access it
22:28:01Bagderthat's because you still have old DNS data
22:28:06Bagdertry www2.rockbox.org
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22:28:49The-CompilerBagder: doesn't work, either
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22:29:06Bagderthen you have to wait
22:29:16Bagdersince it isn't a problem with the server, it is DNS-related
22:29:53Bagderyou can add "91.191.140.131 www.rockbox.org" in /etc/hosts ;-)
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22:30:35RonJonsoo, rockbox is back? :)
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22:31:25Topic"www.rockbox.org is up, but the DNS propagates slowly | Forums are reachable: http://forums.rockbox.org/" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
22:31:58peturmaybe put the IP there too?
22:32:16Topic"www.rockbox.org (91.191.140.131) is up, but the DNS propagates slowly | Forums are reachable: http://forums.rockbox.org/" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
22:32:21drofdarbhah, I flushed my dns cache and now I can't even find rockbox.org or 91.191.140.131
22:32:22drofdarb=P
22:32:25drofdarbwonderful
22:32:26RonJon:)
22:32:35The-Compileroops, maybe i should edit the file as root :)
22:32:40Zagorapache is down for the upgrade. back up soon.
22:32:45drofdarbah
22:32:47drofdarbokay
22:33:04Zagornow
22:33:10The-CompilerHaha, it works with the /etc/hosts
22:33:13petur"Inte nĂ¥gen server her inte." means?
22:33:30Bagderthat you send the wrong Host: header ;-)
22:33:31Zagorit means you shouldn't type the ip address in your browser :)
22:33:48peturgrrrr
22:33:51Bagderit means "there's no server here"
22:34:28krazykitis that dutch?
22:34:35lazkawhy is there no "virtual server" for no subdomain?
22:34:38Bagderlemme check if I can poke on it to make rockbox the default
22:34:46Bagderlazka: ?
22:34:52Zagorwww2 should work for everyone
22:34:57drofdarbno
22:35:08Zagorwasn't that set up several days ago?
22:35:20Bagderyes, but the problem is that rockbox.org is still regged with one bad NS
22:35:29BagderI think
22:35:37Bagderone good, one bad
22:35:40The-CompilerZagor: www2 doesn't work for me, only the thingy in the /etc/hosts
22:35:52drofdarbquestions: is apache still down or is it up now?
22:36:02Zagorup
22:36:05drofdarbfux
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22:36:10drofdarbback in a minute
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22:36:46Zagorthe page looks funny because stylesheets and icons are loaded from www
22:36:59Bagderah, right
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22:37:23Bagdermine are cached
22:37:36Zagorluxury!
22:37:52The-CompilerBut http://build.rockbox.org/ doesn't work at all
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22:38:24Bagderyes it does
22:38:37ZagorThe-Compiler: then you have strange problems. build hasn't moved.
22:39:09Zagorit too looks funny due to missing stylesheets, but it is there
22:39:14pixelmabuild works slowly here and it's missing some css
22:39:16The-CompilerZagor: The rest of the site works with a entry in the /etc/hosts
22:40:07The-CompilerIf I remove that entry, then nothing works
22:40:35Zagorthe dns will take a while to propagate. that is normal.
22:40:40The-Compilerok
22:40:46drofdarbwhat was the ip of the new site?
22:40:55Zagor91.191.140.131
22:40:58drofdarbthanks
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22:41:38drofdarbMeh, now it works
22:42:32The-Compilerfor me it doesn't work :(
22:42:47RonJonsame The-Compiler
22:43:09drofdarbHave the manuals been moved?
22:43:22Bagderno
22:43:56RonJonif i have the rbutil.exe file, how would I get it to download the needed stuff from the new ip etc
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22:44:26Bagderyou probably wait until things settle a bit
22:44:41RonJonahh i see
22:44:41RonJonthx
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22:47:22drofdarbAnyone with access to the manuals mind sending me a copy?
22:48:43drofdarbnevermind. found access to the manual through the wiki
22:50:19The-CompilerNow www.rockbox.org works without the entry in the hosts-file for me, but build.rockbox.org doesn't work
22:50:36Bagderreally, just wait
22:50:41Bagderthere's no need to tell us this
22:50:53The-Compilerok
22:51:36The-CompilerHmm... I go to bed. Without the newest rb-Build |-)
22:51:42The-Compiler:)
22:52:08peturany news from devconwest?
22:52:32BagderI expect them to start at around midnight CEST
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22:52:55Bagderwe're +9 from them
22:53:08Bagderhours I mean
22:54:45*petur wonders what else
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23:03:55obohas the IP of the master build server changed?
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23:04:22pulsar_hi there!
23:04:33RonJonhi der
23:05:21pulsar_great, the topic just answered all my questions :)
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23:06:04jurrieBagder: where did you order the mugs? Any way to order some?
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23:07:05Bagderthey're made by a swedish company
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23:07:19Bagderand I may have a few leftovers to get rid of later on
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23:07:44BagderI haven't gotten to that yet
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23:08:43jurrieOK..... they look nice... I wonder if cafepres has any mugs like that
23:09:25peturthey are nice
23:11:12jurrielooks like cafepress only offers white mugs... the 'box mug color is much nicer
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23:11:47Bagderdedicated manufacturers of these things do better stuff in general than cafepress
23:14:27jurrieI'll have to take a shot of a mug put it on my Sansa and ask a local place "can you make any like these?"
23:15:16Bagderhehe
23:15:33jurrienow on to Rockbox stuff: is Mac OS X a viable dev't platform for Rockbox or do the crosscompiler, simulator and other tools do much better on Linux, BSD or *dows?
23:16:27BagderI think those things work as well on OS X but I don't know
23:17:23jurrieOK... just wondering if you knew if anyone else was using that platform. I'll have to give it a shot.
23:18:59pulsar_since the website has some serious performance issues, can anybody help me out with fonts? i am usig rockbox on an iriver ihp120, i presume i can download some contributed fonts? Or were alternative fonts dropped some time ago?
23:20:09Bagderhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip
23:20:25pulsar_thanks!
23:22:55linuxstbjurrie: I don't know about the sim, but Mac OS X works as well as Linux for me for compiking Rockbox.
23:23:41jurriecool... good to know.
23:23:42*petur wonders why firefox needs 50% cpu trying to find the rockbox site :/
23:24:04jurrieit's trying extra hard
23:24:12peturand failing
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23:32:18Bagderhttp://91.191.140.131/ works too now
23:32:57peturindeed
23:33:31peturbetter update that frontpage ;)
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23:37:12gantrixxI think so
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23:41:44Quelsarukgood night
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23:45:57lostlogicDNS propogation or registrar/whois propogation that's the problem?
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23:46:13krazykitthe former
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23:47:12lostlogicsounds fishy, because I have my own DNS server and I just flushed it and still no go.
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23:51:03LloreanHi guys, this is DevConW. There's been a small confusion with our rooms, but it looks like things are getting sorted very soon. Just wanted to let people know we're not in them yet.
23:51:37amiconnBagder: was it impossible to lower dns ttl beforehand? Would have made change propagation much faster...
23:52:16zeQ5: Is Guitar Pro available for Mac Os or Linux? Haut de page
23:52:16zeYES, there is a MAC version. In fact, at the time of the purchase of Guitar Pro 5, you buy at the same time the Windows version and the MAC one.
23:52:18lostlogicLlorean: I'll be there in uhh 6 hours :-P
23:52:20zeerr wrong win
23:52:40Lloreanlostlogic: We just mainly wanted to make sure Bagder knew we hadn't forgotten he was waiting up.
23:53:20DerPapstze: but still interesting to know :P
23:53:21Zagoramiconn: it was lowered beforehand
23:53:33amiconnAH okay
23:53:36zeDerPapst: no linux ver though
23:53:37ze:p
23:53:54amiconnSo it shouldn't take the whole day to propagate...
23:54:12lostlogicI'm tellin' ya, it's a whois problem, the root server doesn't know where to find ns1.rockbox.org or some such.
23:54:15obohave the nameservers disappeared?
23:54:35DerPapstze: would have wondered if there was ;)
23:54:50amiconnBagder: Btw, as devcon-west is GMT-8, it's CEST-10, not -9
23:55:18oboit's BST -8 I think?
23:55:28LloreanIt's 2:55 PM here, work it out as you will. :-P
23:55:48lostlogicI think that's GMT-7
23:56:45*DerPapst is GMT+2
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23:57:24peturso CEST-9 it is
23:57:28amiconnok
23:57:36saratoga2whats the actual ip for the forums?
23:57:41*amiconn wonders where he read that it's GMT-8
23:57:54lostlogicit is in winter
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