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#rockbox log for 2007-06-16

00:00:08 Quit midgey (Client Quit)
00:00:10*amiconn expected this to be the current offset
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00:02:57Lloreanactually, i might have mistakenly put GMT-8 on the page itself...i will fix it later (scorche)
00:03:22Lloreanaye...sorry about that...i have been a bit frazzled atm ;)
00:03:42pixelmasplit personalities?
00:04:01peturI've always known it :p
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00:04:21peturs/I've/we've
00:05:23amiconnHmm, build.rockbox.org still doesn't werk...
00:06:40amiconnNeither does download
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00:07:02pixelmaboth are working for me but crawling
00:09:38 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar)
00:10:37peturbuild.rockbox.org is ok here (downloads at 1MBps), www still only by IP
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00:25:05chrisjs169rockbox is up?
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00:26:58peturwww working here now :)
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00:29:21Zagorcongratulations :)
00:29:49Zagorchrisjs169: yes, you just have to wait for your dns server to get the new ip
00:30:14chrisjs169Zagor: i'd rather modify my hosts file than wait :P
00:30:43Zagorchrisjs169: you can browse there using the ip directly too
00:31:06amiconnZagor: No you can't, at least no everything
00:31:28peturmany links explicitly point to the domain
00:31:33Zagortrue
00:31:34amiconnTry to go to the wiki when www.rockbox.org doesn't resolve...
00:31:34chrisjs169yeah
00:32:18chrisjs169http:/91.191.140.131/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
00:32:30chrisjs169whoops, extra slash before the ip
00:32:57chrisjs169it works, but needs to be done manually
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00:36:13saratoga2ah forums started working for me
00:36:41DerPapstforums should have been working all the time afaik
00:37:21peturthey were...
00:38:28saratoga2not for me
00:39:37Zagorif your nearest dns didn't have the ip cached, it didn't work. the primary nameserver changed ip too.
00:40:23RonJonhi, i just clicked database and scanned then rebooted and now my ipod wont turn back on.
00:40:25RonJonwhat can i do?
00:40:25RonJonthx
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00:46:14RonJonnevermind, fixed
00:46:17RonJoni shat bricks
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00:46:19RonJonlol
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00:47:00SliMMis sansa e260 supported by rockbox?
00:48:04jurrieyes
00:49:00SliMMgreat :)
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01:02:58peturLlorean: in the room?
01:04:16LloreanNot yet...
01:04:38LloreanI don't know where all the complications are any more, but it's just taking much longer than expected.
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01:17:09jurriedid somebody gamble away access to the room?
01:18:23peturno, they failed to see the 'K' behind the price :p
01:18:38DerPapsthaha
01:18:52LloreanLet's just chalk it up as "communication errors"
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01:20:01*petur sees a flashing led on his memstick but still no usb transfer :/
01:20:15LloreanSo, getting better?
01:20:38peturnot quit, the portstatus is still reporting an error
01:21:27peturbut I found out the power was being cut, but that doesn't seem to be the only problem
01:27:29Quelsaruknight
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01:28:20Llorea1Alright, we're in the room
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01:29:11LloreanWe are in the room
01:29:17LloreanSans baggage.
01:29:27LloreanSo, things are at least improving.
01:30:47thegeek:)
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02:00:54peturanybody knows what button code 0xD8000000 means?
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02:03:52combrainshi all - managed to get to the site using the ip address in the topic (cheers for that) but before I reboot into linux if figured I'd better ask if the SVN server is still reachable?
02:04:09peturit has always been
02:04:26combrainssweet - thats all I needed cheers
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02:06:29peturanybody with knowledge of button and actioncode around?
02:09:39LloreanI don't need to go directly by the IP any more
02:09:54petursame here
02:10:45peturhow's devconwest progressing?
02:12:20LloreanWe finally have our luggage in the room
02:12:21LloreanJust now
02:12:46peturyou weren't allowed to carry it yourself in there?
02:13:01LloreanWell
02:13:08LloreanWe "knew" what room we had in advance.
02:13:19LloreanSo we asked them to take most of the stuff up for us while we checked in
02:13:29LloreanThen everything fell apart, and our baggage was put aside *somewhere*
02:13:43LloreanAnd so once we got to the room it took them some time to track it down and bring it here
02:14:17peturfine hotel you got there ;)
02:15:03LloreanIt was partially due to miscommunications in advance.
02:15:10*petur summons somebody with buttoncode knowledge
02:15:12LloreanNow that things are settles it'll be alright I think.
02:18:52XavierGrhas devcon-west started already?
02:19:39peturin case a button/action code guru reads the log: I'm seeing action code 0xD8000000 right after a usb disconnect. This causes the ROLO yes/no screen to be exited with abort, effectively breaking auto-rolo support.
02:20:40peturLlorean: any chance of a webcam image any time soon?
02:21:37Lloreanpetur: I don't think it'll be up until tomorrow now.
02:22:07peturbedtime then...
02:22:12pixelmapetur: you weren't around that early but that took a while in Stockholm too
02:22:40XavierGrdamn I still have to type manually the ip for the rockbox site :(
02:22:42peturwe'll see tomorrow :)
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02:22:59LloreanWell, we depend on Bagder.
02:23:05LloreanOr somethig.
02:23:08Llorean+n
02:23:11LloreanI don't know the whole story
02:23:14LloreanEveryone's still booting up
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02:27:40scorcheg'day folks!
02:27:55markunhi scorche
02:28:04markuntoffe82: so, you couldn't make it in the end?
02:28:11scorchemarkun: he is here =)
02:28:18toffe82hello
02:28:30markungreat!
02:28:37toffe82I leave without saying anything ;)
02:28:41markunwith all of your Gigabeats?
02:28:45toffe82yes
02:29:20markunI emailed today with a guy who made a converter to put a 40-pin ZIF drive in his iriver H340
02:29:33toffe82nice
02:29:52markunhe was honoured to receive a mail from a rockbox dev because he loves our project so much :)
02:30:34scorchejust as a status update, we are a little behind, so i am still getting everythign set up
02:30:39markuntoffe82: check out the PDF here: http://www.stolltech.ch/i_projekte.html
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02:35:55homieloweDid rockbox.org die?
02:36:27scorchesee topic
02:37:02gantrixxwho here has rockbox running on an ipod?
02:37:06markunLlorean: do you think that long-play on the gigabeat remote should also stop playback in the tree browser/menu?
02:37:22homielowescorche: woops
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02:39:33Lloreanmarkun: I would like it to.
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02:40:27lymecaWill Rockbox on a colour 4th Gen iPod display albuma rt?
02:41:02gantrixxis there a tutorial on how to make .wps themes?
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02:41:32markunLlorean: I'll make it so :)
02:41:56markunshould we do anything special with a long press on the 'speaker' button?
02:41:58krazykitlymeca, yes, if you're using a build and theme supporting album art
02:42:05markunany press brings you to the menu now
02:42:18gantrixxhello?
02:42:36krazykitgantrixx, have some patience
02:42:42krazykitgantrixx, check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
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02:46:01krazykitgantrixx, you can also look at the built-in themes to get a feel for how stuff is done
02:46:20gantrixxso the themes only apply to the "now playing" screen?
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02:46:27gantrixxyou can't customize the menus?
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02:47:23Mouser_Xgantrixx: You can customize the menus a little. Change the color, and the background, and the icons.
02:47:33Mouser_XAnd the font.
02:49:03gantrixxI can have a background pic?
02:49:16krazykityup
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03:01:26gantrixxwhere do you set the backdrop and icons?
03:01:32gantrixxAll I see is show icons
03:01:36gantrixxand clear backdrop
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03:11:14gantrixxwhat about with the ipod, can you change more than just the "now playing" screen?
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03:11:54Mouser_XRockbox is pretty much the same across all targets.
03:12:06krazykitthe now playing thing is the main thing you customize. anything in the menus is backdrop, icons, font, and text color
03:12:17gantrixxis there any manufacturer that ships their product with rockbox?
03:12:24Mouser_XNo.
03:12:52safetydangantrixx: you might find the manual a useful thing to read
03:13:10gantrixxthe manuals seem to tell you how to install it
03:13:13gantrixxand that is about it
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03:14:57safetydangantrixx: there's a whole section on changing the background?
03:15:05safetydanFor example, for iPod Video, http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-2120009.1.5
03:15:36RoC_MMIs there still a frequency bug in 4G Greyscale iPods? I haven't used my iPod recently but I'll update from a 2/2006 nightly if it's fixed.
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03:18:26gantrixxI'm reading 10.1.5 right now and I don't see any selection in the file browser that says SET AS BACKDROP
03:18:40LloreanRoC_MM: Yes
03:18:47gantrixxI copied it directly into /.rockbox/backdrops
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03:19:38gantrixxI don't even see how you would browse to the .rockbox/backdrops directory
03:19:43gantrixxoh well, I have to go now
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03:34:58chrisjs169Bug...
03:35:21chrisjs169The SMTP connection is not alive and cannot be read from.
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03:37:28safetydangantrixx: I think you need to turn on "Show all files" and then the .rockbox directory will show up in the files view.
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03:38:28chrisjs169http://pastebin.ca/569204 was showing when trying to post comments in tracker
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05:36:28InsectoidAh I was going to ask if my dns servers were hosed. Thanks for the topic.
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06:02:42linuxstb_scorche: I was just wondering where devcon were...
06:03:12scorchelinuxstb_: i left my box disconnected because we went out to get food, and people were hungry
06:03:30scorchei just have a few things left to do, and then i will start editing the page
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06:05:23PresenceWelcome to Vegas, devcon guys!
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06:06:14homielowedon't get TOO distracted with the gambling etc.
06:06:43Presencelotsa good shows and eats to distract before the gambling.
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06:08:32PresenceI'm hoping I can cruise by tomorrow and say hi.
06:09:39scorchewe are busy removing the TV so we can get access to the DVI port behind =P
06:10:00Presencehaha
06:10:13PresenceI'd come visit now, but I run shows over at the Venetian.
06:10:54scorcheyou want to come tomorrow?
06:11:05PresenceI'd love to, only to drop off food, drinks, and say "Thanks!"
06:11:28PresenceI'm so embarassed I didn't even know this was going on till last night!
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06:14:04scorchewell, would you like my number in case?
06:14:24Presenceplease!
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06:14:48PresenceIs it in one of the new condo towers? like, you own one?
06:14:55scorcheheh...i wish
06:15:03PresenceThats why I was confused, okay. :
06:15:08Presenceyer not local?
06:16:24Presenceif not local, is there any hardware or soft goods ya'll could use? extra tables, speakers, monitors, or projector?
06:16:27scorcheno...i have lived here in the past (in spanish trails), but not currently
06:16:38Presenceplates, cups, coolers?
06:16:43scorchenot really...we got most everything covered
06:17:23Presencescorche, whats not covered? Even if I can't code or hang out with you guys, I'm happy to drop off shizzy, even if it means a run for ya'll to Costco or sumthing. :)
06:17:47scorchepretty much everything is...cant think of anything off-hand that isnt...we just went shopping =)
06:17:50Presenceif you need anything, IRC here or my cell: 877-463-1337
06:17:56Presenceoh, well, sweet!
06:18:12krazykityour cell phone number is now on the internet
06:18:14Presenceotherwise, I'd love to drop by tomrorow and give a thanks.
06:18:21scorcheif you really want to, snacks are always welcome, but not necessary at all =P
06:18:23Presenceits been on the internets for years. 877-Im-31337
06:18:37krazykitthat's silly
06:18:49krazykitin fact
06:19:00krazykiti bet you have business cards with that on there :P
06:19:23Presenceyeah. "Presence\nHacker\n877-I'm-31337"
06:20:04Presenceand the little Venetian "Vinnie" logo. :)
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06:38:46InsectoidI'm trying to checkout a clean copy of current revision to ~/rockbox, a directory which didn't exist before my checkout. During the checkout Subversion returned: svn: Can't move '.svn/tmp/unifont.bdf.tmp.tmp' to '.svn/tmp/unifont.bdf.tmp': Device or resource busy −− I have tried this three times, deleting the directory and trying again each time.
06:47:14InsectoidHas anyone any ideas? This is making me rather sad as I go off to college tomorrow and would rather like to have an updated iPOD.
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06:49:33Topic"DevConWest is here! http://www.rockbox.org/devconwest2007/" by scorche (n=_@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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06:52:38Trixis there a mirror for http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ ?
06:52:59InsectoidYou could try the internet archive
06:53:10TrixThat site is giving me a 404 when I try to get the 5.5 firmware 25.1.2.1
06:53:23TrixHm i'll try that real quick
06:53:32linuxstbTrix: I'm not aware of a mirror. You could ask fxb in #ipodlinux - it's his page.
06:54:32linuxstbTrix: Just view the source of the page - you'll see the URLs of the .ipsw files there, and they work fine.
06:54:59linuxstbe.g. the 5.5g is here - http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-2790.20061206.iPr9t/iPod_25.1.2.1.ipsw
06:55:34Insectoidlinuxstb: Did you get my subversion question? I apologize if so.
06:55:54linuxstbInsectoid: I saw it, but don't know the answer...
06:56:01Trixlinuxstb, thanks a lot, thought of something I woudln't have ;)
06:56:10TrixNow hopefully this bricked ipod comes back to life
06:56:12Insectoidlinuxstb: You can do a checkout I take it?
06:56:24InsectoidTrix: Have you tried itunes restore?
06:56:37TrixI have, the problem is Windows doesn't see the Ipod
06:56:41linuxstbI've done an update this morning. It doesn't sound like a server problem though.
06:57:12linuxstbTrix: It doesn't even appear as a drive letter?
06:57:31TrixNot that I see, no.
06:57:34InsectoidMaybe silly question but did you make sure stuff like portable storage service was started? Mine dies strangely sometimes and iPod/flash disks/whatever don't show up.
06:58:23TrixI was going to try this method of restoration http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=2fd6c696b3b1d492f1096f35f55d65b5&threadid=93059&highlight=fdisk
06:58:38TrixHm portable storage is started, checked in services.msc
06:58:52Trixwell all the services like Plug n play and stuff i went through
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07:00:30InsectoidDoes windows see new hardware and just not classify the iPod as a drive? Or just no response when you plug it in?
07:01:18Mouser_XTrix: Have you tried rebooting?
07:01:47Mouser_XMy Gigabeat won't show up on my computer. Rebooting would fix that, but I'm trying to go for a record uptime right now...
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07:02:36TrixNo response when I plug it in
07:02:43TrixI have tried rebooting ;)
07:02:58Mouser_XJust making sure. It doesn't hurt to ask.
07:03:00InsectoidIt does go into disk mode? Do you have another iPod there so you can check your cable?
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07:04:57TrixWell, it keeps going into a cylce of rebooting
07:05:01Trixi hear it click
07:05:11Trixand i see the apple logo, but the weird thing is, there is no backlight
07:05:23Trixand i also see a pleast wait battery very low thing
07:05:36Mouser_XOddly enough, I think this has happened before...
07:05:44InsectoidBoot it, hold select+play.
07:05:52Insectoidwhile it's booting
07:05:54Mouser_XIt might have been related to a bad battery...
07:06:16Mouser_X(It was in Jan. or Feb., and I don't remeber it well.)
07:06:22Mouser_X*remember
07:07:35Trixhmm holding play it still just continues its cycle of rebooting
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07:09:22Insectoidnot just play, select also?
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07:10:36Trix?
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07:13:25Insectoidyou have to hold down select along with play to force disk mode, not just play, Trix.
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07:13:45InsectoidBloody subversion's gone mad
07:13:50Trixok
07:14:12Trixinsectoid, OMG IT WORKED
07:14:12Trixlol
07:14:19Trixit is like the first thing i've seen in a while
07:14:27InsectoidPlug it in, let it charge.
07:14:32Trixit is in disk mode now
07:14:53Trixnow i kinda want to put rockbox on it
07:15:05Trixbut after this ipod being kinda weird i dunno if i want to try
07:15:47InsectoidTrix: I would, to substitute for the itunes database, you might think about sorting your music with musicbrainz (musicbrainz.org) that way the rockbox browser has good id3 tags to work with.
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07:16:58webguest12i just installed rockbox and cant make it play my music files, they dont show up in the file browser, and the database thing just says "building database....3040 found.(off to return)"
07:17:00*tedrock checks out musicbrainz.org
07:17:05Trixrockbox does work with the 5.5G ipod right
07:17:10alienbiker99yes
07:17:21webguest12oh, mine is a gigabeat f40
07:17:33webguest12someone know why?
07:17:38tedrockTrix: i'm running it on a 5.5g
07:17:45Mouser_XGigabeat F40 = awesome.
07:18:01Mouser_X(That's what I have.)
07:18:15webguest12yeah but cant create playlists on the go, which is why i wanna use rockbox. just cant figure this problem out
07:18:22krazykitwebguest12, where did you put these files?
07:18:24Trixwell now i gotta get the ipod sorta working again it works in disc mode but nothing else
07:18:38webguest12everything else works, EXCEPT the music.
07:18:43InsectoidTrix: Install rockbox on it.
07:19:02Trixcan it install with just disk mode
07:19:05webguest12what files krazy?
07:19:10InsectoidYes
07:19:17krazykitwebguest12, uh, your music files?
07:19:46webguest12where ever they go by default when transferred from gigabeat room
07:19:46krazykitlike, gigabeat/music, or something else?
07:19:54krazykitah, there's your problem
07:19:58tedrockTrix: you might wanna restore the ipod first. the OF might be fucked. also the battery thing means you have a deplated battery and it's probably been frozen all this time so it hasn't charged
07:20:03webguest12folder is called root/aural agony
07:20:08tedrocki did ipod support for apple for a year :P
07:20:17tedrockmost issues were resolved by reset, restore, replace
07:20:21krazykitwebguest12, those files are now encrypted. rockbox can't play them. see the manual for how to decrypt them for rockbox
07:20:30webguest12ahuh
07:20:33webguest12was wondering about that
07:20:38Trixalright
07:20:41krazykitwebguest12, look for the "removing sat encryption" part of the manual, or whatever it is
07:20:50webguest12when set to display all files, they show up with a different extension
07:20:55Trixi download rockbox for the 30Gig ipod video?
07:21:00webguest12thanks :)
07:21:12tedrockTrix: i just use the utility now. it does all the work for me
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07:22:38Mouser_Xtedrock: I'm sure this is a stupid question, but I haven't found a link for rbutil...
07:22:38Trixalright ill go grab 'the utility'
07:23:04Mouser_X(Though, I haven't read the iPod installation either. It could be in there for all I know.)
07:25:57Trixcall me stupid, but where is this installer lol
07:26:04Trixi'm looking at http://build.rockbox.org/
07:26:23tedrockMouser_X: one sec
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07:28:13linuxstbhttp://www.google.com/search?q=rbutil
07:28:47tedrockhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
07:29:52Mouser_XThanks.
07:30:08tedrockTrix: you'll probably want that too
07:30:29tedrockTrix: make sure you install the boot loader first. since you haven't yet. the utility has a button for that
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07:33:43Mouser_XHuh. Funny thing. I've been using the "Pixel" WPS since I installed Rockbox months ago... I just haven't found anything else I like quite as much.
07:34:37Trixalright thanks!
07:36:02Trixdo I chose 5th gen, I do not see 5.5
07:36:33krazykitit's the same, 5.5 is not an official gen
07:36:57krazykitipod video is ipod video
07:37:12Trixalright
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07:41:45tedrockyah i use 5gen for mine when using hte utility
07:42:19Riftwow, people online at this time of night
07:42:53Mouser_XWhat? Why wouldn't I be?
07:43:00Riftanyone have time to talk to me about my ipod?
07:43:02Mouser_XSo what if I have to get up in 3 hours?
07:43:16Rifthey five hours for me
07:43:43Mouser_XRift: No one can answer your question if you don't ask it first.
07:43:59Riftokay well i will drop the question then
07:44:17Mouser_X(Unless they're telepathic. However, those people go to bed early. Psychic energies and all that...)
07:44:19Rifti'm really early in the install, running the ipodcatcher.exe
07:44:51Riftit says
07:44:53Rift[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
07:44:53Rift[ERR] No ipods found, aborting
07:44:53Rift[ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode
07:44:53DBUGEnqueued KICK Rift
07:44:53Rift[ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems.
07:44:54RiftPress ENTER to exit ipodpatcher :
07:45:12Mouser_XIpodpatcher maybe? You might want to try rbutil:
07:45:13Mouser_Xhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
07:45:33Rifter yeah i mean patcher
07:46:14Riftk brb
07:47:03InsectoidRift: Is your iPod in disk mode...?
07:47:16Riftit is in disk mode
07:47:21TrixRbutil says unsupported Bootloader Install method
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07:47:29Riftrockbox util says a similar thing
07:47:34InsectoidAnd it is connected... and shows up in windows explorer?
07:47:53Riftyep
07:48:12Riftit says "disk mode (\) do not disconnect" on the ipod
07:48:15Trixunsupported bootloader install method a normal thing to say ?
07:48:23InsectoidWhat drive letter does it have?
07:48:27Riftf
07:48:34Riftand it is named ITARD
07:48:39InsectoidRun an itunes restore on it, then try again. That's rather odd.
07:48:39Rifti see it in my explorer
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07:48:59*Mouser_X has his Gigabeat show up as the "K" drive...
07:49:09Mouser_X(I've got a lot of storage here.)
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07:49:25Riftmy rockbox util is saying the same as trix
07:49:33ninjacould someone help me with playlist problem? I select an album to play, and its all good, but when i select another one it gets rid of the previous album and plays only from the most recent selection
07:49:33krazykitsilly windows, still using drive letters.
07:49:48krazykitninja, do you want to append the new album?
07:49:52ninjaI want to listen to multiple albums in shuffle mode, how can i do this?
07:50:05Mouser_Xninja: You need to add it using a context menu.
07:50:10Mouser_XIt's in the manual.
07:50:10Trixhm, i wonder why
07:50:19Trixthis util is supposed to be easy haha :P
07:50:21ninjaunder what heading? couldnt find it
07:50:35Mouser_XSpecifically, you need to hold select for a little bit, and it should show up.
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07:50:56ninjawill try that, thanks
07:51:56safetydanninja: look in the manual under "Browsing and Playing"
07:51:57Mouser_Xninja: In the Gigabeat manual, it's section 3.1.5.
07:52:07ninjagot it, thanks :)
07:52:08Mouser_X(Well, mentioned there, at least.)
07:52:14ninjaappreciated
07:52:22safetydanthere's a whole section on Working with Playlists
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07:52:38InsectoidAs my subversion's borked and refuses to give me latest source, and as I need to generate a new voice file as I see the lang has changed, could someone send me latest english.lang, please?
07:52:43Insectoidvia dcc
07:55:47Rifthere is a thing
07:56:01Riftit's working now but it's not in dosk mode
07:56:06Riftsorry disk mode
07:56:35Riftis it possible that error is misworded and it means "enabled for disk use"
07:56:41Trixeven with that error, it started up just fine
07:56:48Trixjust gotta put some themes on and woo
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07:58:05Hdaackdahi, can anyone give me the link for installation instructions on an iPod video (5.5g)
07:58:43Rifthttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html
07:58:53safetydanInsectoid: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/english.lang
07:59:26Insectoidsafetydan: Thanks −− thought of that. Got subversion working on another box though.
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08:05:13Riftwell, i got it going, thanks for the advice
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08:07:26Trixwell guys thanks for your help! i'm now playing doom on the ipd ;)
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08:26:14Hdaackdathe album art etc patches, when will they be incorporated in the standard versions of rockbox?
08:26:52Llorean"etc"?
08:27:00LloreanWe can't guess which ones you mean by that
08:27:09LloreanBut album art will be incorporated just as soon as it's implemented in the right way
08:27:38Hdaackdaok. i meant the scrolling text
08:27:53Hdaackdaalbum art, and all others mainly used for wps'
08:28:53LloreanScroll margins probably won't be committed. They're really just a lesser case of Viewports, really
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08:51:53daniel1234Hi I want to create a patch. I know I have to write it in c is that correct?
08:52:12lostlogicah, another devconwesty
08:52:18linuxstbIt depends which part of the code you want to patch, but about 99% is C, yes.
08:52:57daniel1234what part isn't in c
08:53:30linuxstbThe parts which are in assembler - either low-level hardware driver code, or optimisations
08:54:06daniel1234since I don't know c where should I go to start learning c so I can develop patches
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08:54:33linuxstbDo you know any programming language?
08:54:45TnadeNwebside down?
08:54:49TnadeNsite**
08:55:01TnadeNor is it just me..
08:55:21linuxstbIt's working, but the DNS changed yesterday - meaning you may still have the old IP address cached for a while.
08:55:24InsectoidTnadeN: Check the topic, dns propagation, use the IP
08:55:52linuxstbInsectoid: The topic has changed...
08:56:13daniel1234no only the jaws scripts but that is just for my screen reader. it uses variables and if statements so what should I go and learn?
08:56:13InsectoidAh ... me paying attention again, sorry TnadeN.
08:56:18TnadeN:P
08:56:48Insectoiddaniel1234: Learn c, jaws scripting is a horrible mismatch of things and pretents to be some flavor of basic with some c-ness.
08:56:50linuxstbdaniel1234: Either buy a book on C, or look for a tutorial on the web.
08:57:35daniel1234OK i am blind so I guess I only have one option but what should I be reading about I don't want to learn win32 programming do I
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08:58:07TnadeNhumm
08:58:35TnadeN are you sure it isn't down... cause i can't even access it with IE7 right now... (haven't been there for ages)
08:58:49TnadeN(the website)
08:58:52Insectoiddaniel1234: http://www.blindprogramming.com −− get a basic book on c, think they have teach yourself c in 21 days or something. Failing that, I'd really recommend The C Programming Language, it's by Kernighan and Ritchie, the guys who created .
08:59:00linuxstbdaniel1234: C itself isn't related to any particular operating system - most general C books/tutorials will just talk about the language itself, not how to access operating system features.
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09:00:08daniel1234the website seems to be down the rockbox one I just wnewent to rockbox.org and got the can not find server error
09:00:09InsectoidTnadeN: http://91.191.40.131
09:00:15ninjahow can i get rockbox on a gigabeat to display cover art?
09:00:30Insectoiddaniel1234 http://91.191.40.131
09:00:58TnadeNnope, not there
09:01:01safetydanninja: at the moment album art requires a custom build
09:01:06daniel1234How long on average does it take to learn c from scratch so I can start coding rockbox
09:01:57linuxstbdaniel1234: I couldn't answer that - it depends how quickly you learn it...
09:02:06ninjawhere can i get it from?
09:02:26daniel1234If I keep at it and do about 3 to 4 hourse a day how long would say
09:02:41daniel1234hours i mean
09:03:01TnadeNIgnore the webpage problem, can someone give me the rockbox file that's supposed to be locaded on the ipod (not the .rockbox dir), bootthingy (second generation ipod) (yes i accedently delete it)
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09:04:07scorcheTnadeN: http://download.rockbox.org/
09:04:12scorcheit is on a different server
09:04:20TnadeNah
09:04:21TnadeNnice
09:04:51InsectoidIs the daily build there? http://91.191.140.131/daily.shtml
09:04:52safetydanInsectoid, TnadeN, it's actually 91.191.140.131
09:04:59Insectoidoh
09:05:07scorcheInsectoid: dont worry about the ip address
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09:05:49Insectoiddaniel1234: e-mail q@randylaptop.com, I'll send you some tutorials that should work well with your screen reader.
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09:07:05scorchepetur: we found blue and red versions of the chimay in a local grocery store here =P
09:07:20peturcongrats!
09:08:06*petur goes for breakfast - bbl
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09:08:44*linuxstb likes that idea and follows petur
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09:18:50Bagderyou devconers need anything from me?
09:20:26LloreanCan you arrange coffee and donuts?
09:20:46*Bagder makes the call
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09:35:07linuxstbpetur: Welcome to my world...
09:35:53peturlinuxstb: the funny thing is this has started since I told you I had none of those problems.... :(
09:37:23LloreanBagder: Scorche is having connection issues. He'll be back shortly
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09:39:06peturCan anybody explain why I'm getting action code 0xD8000000 after a USB disconnect (on h300) ? I couldn't immediatly find what 0xD8000000 means anyway...
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09:41:34peturbbl - other stuff to do
09:41:47linuxstbAny FAT experts know what the "HiddenSectors" field in this Windows IOCTL means? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/En-US/library/aa365451.aspx
09:42:37Learlinuxstb: have you tried test_codec in the sim? If fails reading the test track here...
09:43:24linuxstbLear: I haven't tried it recently, but it worked when I was developing it.
09:44:06LearStrange thing is I only get -1 from the read call. get_metadata worked though...
09:45:08linuxstbHow big is your test file?
09:45:23Lear700 kB or something.
09:45:27*linuxstb compiles a sim
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09:45:58LearNo, less than that, 100 kB. The wav was more like 700. :)
09:46:35linuxstbHave you just tried one format?
09:47:09LearYes.
09:47:39LearOn the other hand, it is the read call at line 563 that fails...
09:48:09LearTried another format, same problem.
09:49:23linuxstbOK, I get the same problem...
09:50:16linuxstbAh, I see "codec_stack_size" isn't initialised to anything in the sim...
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09:51:49LearSo what does that got to do with read?
09:52:09linuxstbFix committed.
09:53:01linuxstbThe codec_stack_size is subtracted from the audio buffer size to give the size of the main buffer for the file. So that buffer was possibly very small (or negative).
09:54:01linuxstbNo, in fact audiobuf was probably just a very bad address
09:54:46LearOh, so an argument check in the OS barfed...
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09:55:27linuxstbI guess so.
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09:56:38LearWorks now, thanks.
09:57:05linuxstbGood.
09:59:18LearWav writing is useful. Helps me see where the gapless trim for AAC fails.
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10:01:49linuxstbI assume itunes and Nero's encoder write different gapless info? (I'm also assuming Nero writes it)
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10:04:39LearNero is supposed to, yes, but I don't know where. Doesn't seem to be the same as iTunes (assuming the Nero encodes I did do include gapless info...)
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10:09:47linuxstbLear: OK, so you're just working on itunes gapless atm?
10:10:02JdGordonhey all
10:10:30LearYes. If I can find out Neros way of doing it, I might add it too.
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10:12:51LearLooks like I've got it right now. :) (And a test sine sounds just right)
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10:18:11hcslive, from Las Vegas, it's Saturday Morning!
10:18:54Bagderyay, live IRC! ;-)
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10:19:12*pixelma cheers with coffee from a blue mug ;)
10:19:42*Bagder swings his mug as well
10:20:46pixelmaBagder: did you remove the html-download versions of the daily manuals on purpose (guess no-one used it)?
10:20:57BagderI didn't...
10:21:27pixelmawell they are missing on http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
10:21:46LloreanThen the daily build on that failed?
10:22:03*Bagder checks
10:22:16pixelmawonder why the online version is available then
10:22:31n1shmm, rockbox.org was reachable 5 minutes ago but times out now...
10:23:37Bagderhm yes
10:23:41Bagderno html-zips today
10:24:04Bagderpixelma: the online version is proably the one from yday
10:24:19BagderI assume name resolving problems that'll go away soon
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10:24:50pixelmaahh, we'll see
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10:26:41*Lear still can't reach rockbox.org. :(
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10:27:40JdGordondid anyone have a look at the setting patch I put on the ml? does the lack of comments mean no one cares?
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10:29:56markunare there some devcon west photos online?
10:30:46hcsI've got... one, and photos from the walk over
10:30:57markunand is there a webcam?
10:31:05hcsthere's a camera, don't know
10:31:25hcsanything scorche touches won't work
10:31:29markun:)
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10:34:50Bagderrockbox.org had two NS regged, but one of them had died and the other changed IP so there'll be some glitches until the news are propagated all over
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10:35:57scorche`markun: hrm...let us upload the few that he have taken before our "photographer" (hcs) arrived
10:36:10markunthat would be nice
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10:36:31markunthen WE can spy on YOU for a change :)
10:36:40BagderI'll have to take off now and go blurb for openbsd guys
10:36:49markunBagder: good luck
10:36:55markuncurl talk right?
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10:37:10Bagderyeah, with a more "how to do open source projects properly" angle
10:37:21markunperhaps you can mention rockbox :)
10:37:28BagderI will
10:37:50BagderI consider rockbox a good example of a fine open source project
10:39:01markunme too
10:39:32Presenceanyone awake in the suite?
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10:39:42markunsometimes you read things about why open source doesn't work or that it's in the end only done by payed employees of companies
10:39:58markunand then you look at rockbox and you see that's not the case at all
10:40:21scorche`Presence: just toffe has gone to bed
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10:40:44markunscorche`: what did you guys do so far?
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10:41:04scorche`markun: i have the page relively current
10:41:06Presenceyeah? hmm, passing by on way home, but bah
10:41:12Presencetoo tired right now.
10:41:13scorche`relatively ;)
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10:42:00markunscorche: sorry, I don't understand what you mean
10:42:12markunwhich page?
10:42:13scorchemarkun: the page up in the topic
10:42:19markunah :)
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10:43:38Presenceokay, yeah, i pass tonight. i'll drop by around 2 or 3 tomorrow. :) gleee!
10:44:02scorcheno problem
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10:45:06scorchemarkun: just shrinking them down and they shall eb up
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10:47:05*GodEater_ wishes he could see the devconwest page
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10:51:47pixelmaGodEater_: maybe try directly... scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/dcw.html">http://scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/dcw.html (that's where I get redirected)
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10:55:19GodEater_pixelma: thanks :)
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11:01:25PaulJamhi, JdGordon. I noticed some list weirdness when changing to a font with a different height. i guess it's quite easy reproduceable, just randomly change the font.
11:01:59JdGordonwhat sort of wierdness?
11:04:07PaulJamthe scrollbar is wrong intil you scroll, and if you change to a bigger font the cursor can be off screen and if you change to a smaller font the list has blank space at the bottom (even if you are not at the end of the list).
11:04:47JdGordonok
11:05:14pixelmathat's been this way before (until first redraw)
11:06:02tedrockwhat musicbrainz tagger do you guys use?
11:06:31tedrockjust not sure what one to t
11:06:34tedrocktry
11:06:40n1sJdGordon: I noticed another list weirdness, when scrolling up in a list the view moves when the selector is two items from the top but when scrolling down the view moves when the selector is one item from the bottom.
11:07:37JdGordonyeah, I know about that one, but I dont know if the scrolling up code is correct or the scrolling down code is, so i;ve just left it :p
11:08:16n1sJdGordon: I like it with one item from the border... :-)
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11:09:24JdGordonna, a fwe off the border is better than 1
11:09:47n1sJdGordon: also, your patch in the mailing list it seems to fix FS #7311 :-)
11:10:13JdGordoncool :) whats 7311?
11:10:34n1sJdGordon: nasty 64bit-sim only crashes...
11:10:48JdGordonhehe cool
11:11:13n1swhich affected the clock plugin and the vu_meter plugin when I converted it to the new menu api, which is very nice btw :-)
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11:13:28amiconnn1s: There are also some 32bit-sim only crashes... check e.g. FS #7245 :(
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11:14:37scorchePics are up
11:14:49scorcheerrr...hold
11:14:55*scorche smacks head
11:15:04n1samiconn: yes, I know about those, very strange indeed... And even if I was remotely good at debugging I couldn't test it without getting some sort of VM set up...
11:15:39scorchethere we go
11:16:01n1samiconn: did you figure out a good way to fix the 64 bit crash in libmad btw? it would be very useful to be able to test voice stuff in the sim...
11:16:05amiconnVMs are often very useful
11:16:44karodi have a question
11:16:53n1skaro: ask
11:16:54scorchemarkun: enjoy ;)
11:17:07markunthanks!
11:17:16karoii have a ipod 4g special u2
11:18:23karoand i would like to know if i can install the rockbox firmware on it
11:18:36markunkaro: you can't kill, but you can install
11:18:49markuneh, what did I say?
11:18:59*n1s wonders the same thing :-)
11:19:02markunyes, you can install rockbox on it :)
11:19:03karowhat do you mean by i can't kill
11:19:12markunI don't know :)
11:19:22bluebrotherscorche: how about a who's who picture? ;-)
11:19:55scorchebluebrother: we will take a group shot
11:19:59scorcheerrr...tomorrow
11:20:05bluebrother:)
11:20:20amiconnscorche: No webcam?
11:20:22karook so i will try thans
11:20:42scorcheamiconn: not at the moment, no...anything i tough hasnt worked
11:20:47scorches/tough touch
11:20:50*scorche sighs
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11:22:20scorcheadam took the pic, so he is behind there ;)
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11:28:35markunnighty
11:30:35n1sSlasheri: have you seen FS #7316 ? it seems to have been triggered by the -Os build thingy I comitted but I don't know where to look...
11:31:35Slasherihmm, haven't seen that yet..
11:32:32Slasheriah, it seems the eeprom driver fails with the -Os
11:32:41Slasheriso it doesnt write the setting data properly at shutdown
11:33:00amiconnDoes the eeprom driver contain asm?
11:33:32Slasheriafaik nope
11:33:55Slasheriunless i2c is in asm now
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11:34:46Slasherino it isn't
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11:36:59Slasherimaybe the code just has been gotten faster and the retry count needs to be increased.. i will be testing soon
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11:43:25The-Compilerare there any goals for the devcon west? Or only coding, coding, coding?
11:45:58preglowtheres a list of stuff they intend to do on the wiki page
11:48:00Learjdgordon: I noticed one list issue, perhaps related to the one n1s reported: Use a font that leaves room for an odd number of lines on the screen (and paged scrolling enabled). Now show a multi-line list (like the ID3 info list) and move down to select the partially visible entry. Note that scrolling does not happen. Move to the next item, which then gets displayed at the top of the screen.
11:49:45The-Compilerpreglow: ahh, thanks, i've only looked at scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/dcw.html">http://scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/dcw.html
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13:05:24JdGordonpixelma: what recording can you do on the irvers which you cant on the sansa?
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13:05:30JdGordonsup petur?
13:05:47peturCan you explain why I'm getting action code 0xD8000000 after a USB disconnect (on h300) ? I couldn't immediatly find what 0xD8000000 means anyway...
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13:06:55JdGordonon phone...
13:07:00peturnp
13:09:51pixelmaJdGordon: the sansa has 3 major problems I've heard of: it only records to 22,05kHz atm (jhMikeS said he might get some more out of it), no line-in yet (and afaik no-one knows yet if it's even possible) and background noise when backlight is on (said to be present in the of as well)
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13:14:49pixelmasee jhMikeS post there now ;)
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13:18:47JdGordon0xD8 isnt SYS_USB_DISCONNECTED is it?
13:19:06JdGordonpixelma: ah ok
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13:23:43peturJdGordon: where would that be defined?
13:24:09petur(I'm doing totally other stuff and just noticed you around)
13:25:27JdGordonkernel.h.. its SYS_USB_DISCONNECTED_ACK
13:26:25peturthanks, I'll have to filter for that one in the yesno screen as it causes it to abort
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13:28:11JdGordonactually... i could be wrong, its definatly a SYS_ event though
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13:33:44peturJdGorgon: it's SYS_CHARGER_DISCONNECTED, could that be?
13:34:25*petur hates the way those events are #defined - unreadable
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13:34:44JdGordonits one of them :p
13:35:05peturI mean, writing 11 << 27 is really very clear if you're hunting a hex value
13:35:18JdGordonyeah
13:35:23peturyours?
13:35:26JdGordonnot mine
13:35:52peturlucky you, I had already grabbed an empty beerbottle ;)
13:36:12JdGordonsvn blame says Bagder is to blame
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13:43:30peturJdGordon: bingo, that was the event :)
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14:02:02disorganizeri got a small question: would it make sense to have a bootloader on the sansa which does not boot into the OF when connected to usb, but stays in a kind of low-power mode for charging the battery? the idea would be: connected with power-button pressed=usb mode, connected without buttonpress=charge mode.
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14:07:45JdGordondisorganizer: I'm not sure if the sansa can chagre from usb in rockbox.. so no...
14:08:58JdGordonif it can though, then sure, but it would have to boot the OF as default as its the only way we have usb.
14:12:31JdGordonpetur: wouldnt it make sense to ignore all SYS_ events except a usb connected in the yes/no screen?
14:12:52peturwhat about poweroff?
14:13:01peturthat's why I didn't do it...
14:15:23JdGordonok, but I mean, wouldnt it be better to explicitly case the ones we dont want to ignore instead of the ones we do?
14:15:39peturfeel free to change ;) I'm busy now...
14:16:57*amiconn thinks those definitions (n << 27) are quite logical and readable...
14:17:13disorganizer@jdgordon: as far as i understood the charging in sansa-rockboxed doesnt make sense because of the huge power consumption. but if the bootloader could somehow boot into a "minimum power consumption" setup (not rockbox, not OF, but something which only allows charging), wouldnt this possibly help?
14:24:27JdGordonno, because we can still only trun off the parts of the chip which we know how to... but I thuoght rockbox only charged at 100mA so it was either ueless or too slow to work?
14:27:23disorganizerah. so that was the problem. ok. thought it was the power consumption. but now as you mention it...
14:27:50JdGordonI'm not sure, dan_a or Barrywardell would know bettr
14:28:40disorganizerdo you think it will be worth putting it into a feature-request?
14:28:59JdGordonnot especially :p
14:30:25disorganizerok. tnx anyways. g2g now, cul8r
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15:14:58LearOuch. Wanted to close a task. Got an error message beginning with "The SMTP connection is not alive".
15:18:23*JdGordon also
15:18:31JdGordonjust refresh.. it shhuold be cose
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15:31:50markunJdGordon: what's your idea?
15:32:21markunjust have a string containing all the letters from the alphabet?
15:33:13JdGordonpretty much
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15:41:06LearIndeed it was. Didn't look nice though. :)
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16:02:44RedbrevaIs everyone else still getting e-mails for SVN commits? My last one was for the 'Force Mono' voice update...
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16:05:15JdGordonthe english string is used when a string isnt translated right?
16:06:05DerPapstafaik yes.
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16:08:19PaulJam_Lear: does the latest commit for gapless playback also work for files in mp3 format that were ripped by itunes or only aac?
16:09:13moosRedBreva: same here
16:09:31LearPaulJam: Only AAC for now.
16:09:40PaulJam_ok, thanks
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16:12:40Redbrevamoos: OK, Thanks
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16:13:17moosRedBreva: de rien
16:14:01JdGordonwell that was surprisinly simple :)
16:18:24*DerPapst likes surprises
16:19:58daurnimatorJdGordon: would you call it strange that NONE of my friends are answering their phones?
16:20:17JdGordonno... :)
16:20:18daurnimatori've called about 10 people tonight, they all ring out to voicemail
16:20:20JdGordonthe are avoiding you
16:20:38JdGordonturn off caller id before you ring
16:21:17markunLear: where did you find the info about iTunSMPB?
16:21:18*daurnimator wonders what he said/did
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16:21:59Learmarkun: hydrogenaudio.org
16:23:10LearNow, if I only could get it working for Nero-encoded stuff...
16:23:11daurnimatorJdGordon: uh, how, I just tried it, and it didn't work
16:23:59JdGordonthere is a * code you prepend fto the phone number.. i dunno what it is though
16:24:10JdGordondepends on your telco
16:25:02JdGordonyay FS is fubar tonight :p
16:25:18daurnimatorFS?
16:25:29JdGordonflyspray
16:25:38daurnimatoryay, I did it
16:26:33JdGordonhehe maybe i realy do have slight dyslexia... inpedendat :p
16:28:02daurnimatorwel... someone answered :(
16:28:14daurnimatorbut, they are absolutly pissed...
16:28:50peturFS is working here, JdGordon...
16:29:21JdGordonI keep getting fatal errors which aparently arnt very fatal.. the request still goes through
16:30:19markunLear: Is the data after "(iTunNORM)[eng]:" in id3 the same format as the value used in MP4? http://dekstop.de/weblog/2006/06/stripping_itunes_podcast_id3/
16:30:31daurnimatorJdGordon: do you know what time trains finish?
16:30:51JdGordon2am on sat nights isnt it? or is that trams?
16:31:04*JdGordon points daurnimator to victrip.com.au or whatever they are now
16:31:19Learmarkun: I'd expect so. Haven't tested/looked myself though.
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16:31:44markunWhat's the problem with the nero encoded files?
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16:34:15daurnimatorJdGordon: damn..... 11:50
16:34:21LearThey're not gapless. The encoder is supposed to make it possible.
16:34:22daurnimatori swear they had later ones...
16:35:01markunLear: I read something about an "encoder delay" which also needs to be taken into account
16:36:31LearYes, that's the problem. But the delay is encoder specific (I think), so it should be read from somewhere.
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16:53:14markunLear: what do you think about splitting up metadata.c?
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16:53:47LearIn what way?
16:54:39markunmove the mp4, ape, ogg etc specific stuff to separate files
16:54:52markunbecause it's getting quite big
16:55:16markunand keep shared functions in metadata.c
16:56:04markunand does id3.c have to stay in firmware/ ?
16:56:28LearYes, id3.c is used by mpeg.c, also in firmware.
16:57:00markunmaybe mpeg.c has to move too then?
16:57:23LearRegarding metadata.c, I haven't really thought it to be too big, but if someone would do it, I guess I wouldn't complain.
16:57:46markunI started doing it, just wondered if you had anything against it
16:58:56LearMoving mpeg.c is pretty much is pretty much what the playback unification is all about.
16:59:10markunok, good
16:59:13LearI.e., move all buffering stuff to apps and merge it with the swcodec stuff.
16:59:29markunis anyone actively working on it? (amiconn?)
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16:59:52LearNot sure. There's been some thoughts about it at least.
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17:01:05moosnot sure that we have someone knowing both engines well enough for unifie them
17:05:19PaulJamthe new gapless feature for aac seems to work nice.
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18:32:21konekdo rockbox work in ipod video 5.5 G 30 GB ?
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18:33:13konek?? ;]
18:33:20Domonokyyes
18:33:47konekSurely ?
18:34:37konekOn truth? *
18:34:41Domonokyyes, see www.rockbox.org
18:34:43koneksorry for my english :D
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18:35:01koneko yeah :D
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18:40:30*petur thinks the devconwest guys deserve a slapping with a large trout for buying heineken
18:40:44scorchemeh....it is what was there
18:41:01peturwhat, in the room already?
18:41:23scorcheno...just at the store...US beer selection is quite limited
18:42:06peturI know, I've been in the US before and shopping was absolute horror if you wanted some EU standards stuff... only found junk
18:42:27scorchei was quite surprised that we even found those 2 bottles of chimay
18:42:36peturme too....
18:42:44peturexpensive?
18:43:00scorcheforgot how much, actually
18:43:14peturthose sell 4.50 euro here
18:43:31peturbut now... dinner time - bbl
18:43:45*Mouser_X doesn't drink.
18:43:55Mouser_XAs such, no need to buy beer of any kind.
18:44:06DerPapstme neither
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19:01:37ptw419if it wasn't so early i'd be thinking about beer :)
19:02:18markunBagder: anything you have to say about the choice to stick with the DM320? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11084.msg84084#msg84084
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19:26:43Lloreanmarkun: I was more interested in their flash decision. Maybe a suggestion that if they're going flash, go CompactFlash for some flexibility?
19:28:36krazykitCF cards are so big though
19:29:07krazykitSDHC would be a better choice, really. it's backwards-compatible with regular SD
19:29:19krazykitnot to mention that SD cards are dirt cheap nowadays
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19:32:46bluebrotherSDHC are not 100% compatible to SD.
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19:36:20krazykitbluebrother, i'd have sworn the sdhc readers were fine with regular sd cards
19:36:20bluebrotherespecially, they aren't strictly required to support SPI mode anymore.
19:36:32krazykitaaah.
19:36:51peturI think CF cards are available in bigger capacity and their hw interface is simple
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19:37:08bluebrothercf cards can be accessed in an 8 bit mode
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19:37:28bluebrotheralso, addressing works differently between SD and SDHC
19:37:45bluebrotherthe differences are small though.
19:38:00krazykithm.
19:38:46krazykitstill though, CF cards are relatively large compared to most DAPs
19:39:05bluebrotherwell, at least you can't easily swallow a CF card ;-)
19:39:34Mouser_XTrue
19:39:46krazykiti guess that's a benefit, somehow
19:40:03krazykitif you're 2 :P
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19:40:10Mouser_XI've heard that you can build an adapter either for CF cards to use them as a hard drive, or the other way around...
19:40:20bluebrothermen are children, aren't they?
19:40:26Mouser_X(I think HCS has a laptop that is now using a CF card as the HDD.)
19:40:39bluebrotheryou can quite easily do that. The interface is similar
19:40:45Mouser_XIf that was the case, people coould modify their player to use a HDD.
19:40:53peturkrazykit: I think we just have a different view on DAPs, like I can't understand why peaople buy players with 8GB or less (I recently upgraded my h340 to 80GB because of space issues)
19:41:07Mouser_XThis would be one reason to use CF cards. People could then add a HDD if they wanted.
19:41:19bluebrothersimilar to replacing the Ipod mini's hard disk with a CF card.
19:41:29peturs/peaople/people
19:41:43krazykitpetur, neither can i, which is why i was sad when the Rio Karma's successor was announced to be 8&12 gigs
19:41:53krazykiti loved my karma :(
19:42:19peturCF just has more space for bigger capacity
19:42:23*Mouser_X really likes his Gigabeat F40.
19:42:28krazykiti
19:42:30Mouser_XI wouldn't mind having a larger drive though...
19:43:20krazykiti'm pretty happy with my gigabeat+rockbox. still a few little issues that i want to figure out / open a feature request / learn some c and make a patch for. don't remember what they are off the top of my head though
19:43:29peturdevconwest people, what's up?
19:44:00*krazykit would just worry that neuros would make another player the size of the n1 jukebox
19:44:18Mouser_Xpetur: HCS is working on porting a GBS player to Rockbox...
19:44:26Mouser_XI'd like that.
19:44:29Mouser_X:P
19:44:45*petur looks up GBS
19:44:51Mouser_XGameboy audio.
19:44:53krazykitgameboy sound?
19:45:28hcswe'll see if I get anywhere with it, nothin' else planned for the day
19:45:55Mouser_XHeh.
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19:55:40markundoes anyone care to comment on my metadata-splitup patch? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/metadata_split.diff
19:57:01markunpetur: you maybe?
19:57:35peturerrrr it would be the first time I would look at that code ;)
19:57:52peturI can have a peek though
19:58:05markunI don't think you need to know what it does
19:59:06markunthe thing I was not so sure about are the metadata_*.h files
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20:00:00markunand I forgot to put the copyright part back
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20:00:19saratogamarkun: i like the idea of splitting it up
20:00:40saratogajust starting to get into it now for the wma decoder, and it seems a bit ugly as it is right now
20:00:59markunsaratoga: perhaps I can just commit it and then fix it later if people have better suggestions
20:01:17saratogamoving some of the format specific stuff out makes sense
20:01:20markunyes, better to keep your stuff in asf.h
20:01:22markun.c
20:02:28saratogai certainly wouldn't mind you committing it
20:02:44saratogathough if you do, could you please update the "writing rockbox codecs" wiki page?
20:03:08saratogai'm having enough trouble getting the last 12 months changes straight in there
20:03:12markunI can't get the sh1 compiler to build to test the archoses
20:03:28markunsaratoga: good point
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20:08:27tedrockanyone know any good programs out there that will update/add the genre to tags something like how musicbrainz works
20:08:45markunsaratoga: I updated the patch, but it's so big that I don't know if you can get a clear picture of what I did
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20:10:01lostlogicmarkun: yeah, hard to look at a patch that really just moves tons of code from file to file. At a glance it looks fine though.
20:10:04krazykittedrock, any decent tagging app should do that.
20:10:36markunlostlogic: I think I'll just commit it now
20:10:52krazykittedrock, i'd think tag&rename or the godfather will do that, though i'm not familiar with windows apps
20:11:00peturthe first version build ok for archos, I did get two patch errors (could be my fault)
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20:11:23tedrockkrazykit: aww i just started using musicbrainz picard and really like it but it doesn't do genre :(
20:11:37markunpetur: oops, I need to fix that
20:12:23peturapps/metadata.c hunk 1 failed at 1 hunk 2 failed at 39
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20:21:39markunamiconn: I just committed my metadata splitup, could you take a look at it
20:22:33amiconnI'm not sure whether I like this split by format
20:22:44markunwhy not?
20:23:02amiconnI would think a split by tag format would be better (vorbis comments etc)
20:24:05markunyes, perhaps some can be moved together
20:24:28saratogawhere did the ID3 stuff end up?
20:25:02markunit's in firmware/id3.c I think
20:25:07amiconnid3 has to stay in firmware/ as long as there are the 2 playback engines
20:25:14The-CompilerHm? Why is the site down again? Today noon it has worked.
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20:28:42markunred in the build table...
20:29:57bluebrotherwow. 700 bytes delta by only splitting up the parser?
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20:31:49markunbluebrother: perhaps it has something to do that I had to remove the 'static' keywords to get rid of some warnings
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20:44:19peturThe-Compiler: site access is fast here, I guess it's on your end...
20:45:01The-Compilerpetur: But all other sites does work
20:45:38amiconnDNS irregularities
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20:48:42The-Compileramiconn: How can I fix they?
20:48:54drofdarbWhat kind of technical knowledge would be required to port to a new device?
20:49:02The-CompilerAs I said, at ca. 11 it's work fine
20:49:47drofdarbFor instance, if I was interested in porting to the clix second generation?
20:50:37saratogadrofdarb: depending on how open the hardware was, you'd need some experience doing embedded programming, operating systems, and probably reverse engineering software
20:51:00drofdarbsaratoga: thanks
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20:57:47saratogadrofdarb: have you seen this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
20:58:25drofdarbsaratoga: no, I didn't see that yet. I'll check it out though. Thanks :)
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21:00:50drofdarbIf I end up purchasing this clix, I may look into beginning a port for it (though I'm in college full time when I'm not co-oping so it wouldn't be anything quick).
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21:15:55kkekdosnhey
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21:16:13kkekdosnhas anyone tried to hook their rockbox up to a modded xbox?
21:16:31saratogakkekdosn: yeah someone posted about doing that last summer in the forums
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21:16:33kkekdosncause i have a usb conversion and i want a quick way to transfer on the go
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21:16:43Exclamationim guessing it wont work
21:16:53kkekdosni wonder why
21:16:57Exclamationbecause the xbox uses a diffrent filesystem
21:17:06kkekdosnnot a modded xbox
21:17:21kkekdosni just need it to reconize the ipod
21:17:27kkekdosnthen i could play it right off it
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21:17:59kkekdosni can ftp to it, and it can read all types of formats
21:17:59alienbiker99kkekdosn xbox 360
21:18:05kkekdosnno, origional
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21:18:28alienbiker99the original cannot read drives over 4gb externally
21:18:29kkekdosnnot softmod, i wrote over the origional bios chip
21:18:35Exclamationwhich dashboard are you using?
21:18:36kkekdosno crap
21:18:47Exclamationmedia center?
21:18:50kkekdosni have alot of them
21:18:58kkekdosnright now imt rying xbmc
21:19:08kkekdosni dont think evox will make a difference
21:19:23Exclamationnope, xbmc is probably your best bet
21:19:35kkekdosneverything ive tried to look up has something with 360 in it
21:19:47saratogaXBMC can read USB thumb drives, but with a 4GB lmit, so it probably won't work on most ipods
21:19:55kkekdosnthe wierd thing is that it will charge through the xbox, but it wont look
21:20:04saratogalinux should though, and maybe some other software
21:20:06saratoganot sure though
21:20:07kkekdosnwell, i have a nano i let a friend borrow
21:20:17betahello anybody have a mk8007gah they want to part with?
21:20:30peturnever :)
21:20:30betaor can anyone poitn me in the direction of one? they're hard to come by
21:20:33betad'oh
21:20:49peturI think you're a few months late
21:20:58peturhaven't seen them lately
21:21:16betai am haha - i just got a gigabeat f40 today and slapped rockbox on (I am indigio by the way... just changed names)
21:22:13betaebay has 1 for 190 dollars
21:22:16Mouser_XThe problem I'm having is the price. The availability doesn't help, but even if it wasn't hard to find, it'd still be expensive.
21:22:25betaexactly
21:22:26kkekdosndoes rockbox have any plugings that read avi or any other formats like this for movies and such
21:22:38saratogampegplayer
21:22:41Mouser_XMPEG 1 and 2.
21:22:45Mouser_XAVI isn't supported.
21:23:37kkekdosnoh, okay, thanks
21:23:49*Mouser_X has watched nearly all of Gargoyles, all of ReBoot, and is starting Full Metal Alchemist using his Gigabeat...
21:24:12betawhat other makes of drive/models fit the gigabeat f40? (I.e. anything equivalent to the toshiba mk8007GAH..)
21:24:14peturbeta: indeed, there's one available now, get it while you can
21:24:22betanooo I can't afford it
21:24:30betai just shelled out a load for an f40
21:24:31petura 60GB will be lots cheaper
21:25:22betagrr still it's money money money...
21:25:35betado you think (i dont know how the trends work) that one will be avaliable in about 6 months?
21:26:57peturI've seen them less and less available, but I can't predict the future. However, all new players use ZIF so it is unlikely things will get better
21:27:08betabollocks
21:27:10betai mean...
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21:27:27betawhats the dif with zif drives?
21:27:34betaare they better at power management?
21:27:36peturthe connector
21:28:19peturand the newer 80GB drives will bet better of course, and ZIF only :(
21:28:48XavierGrpetur: there is a zif to ide procedure right?
21:28:54XavierGrif that's the case then no worries
21:29:08mschneiderIs anyone familiar with the Micro SD patch for Sansa?
21:29:25peturyes thereŇ› a german site that details a convertor cable
21:29:45peturthe issue is room and stability of the soldering of course
21:30:01betawill the MK6006GAH fit the gigabeat f40?
21:30:15Mouser_XI think toffe built a ZIF converter/connector.
21:30:16*petur hates intl keyboard implementation of ubuntu
21:30:19XavierGrpetur: as long there is a path for this then I am happy that one day I might be able to buy an 120GB zif 1.8 drive for my H300
21:30:43peturpffff I have 80 now... :p
21:30:54XavierGrcurrently my 60GB drive is perfect for my needs
21:31:22betawhat other models of 80gb fit the f40? or is it just the MK8007GAH?
21:31:53peturyes
21:32:03peturall the newer ones are ZIF
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21:32:26betaok and the 60gb MK6006GAH as i asked above... will that fit?
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21:33:14peturhave to check
21:33:38betaok thnks
21:33:40beta*thanks
21:34:57PaulJamaccording to a thread on MR a company called savanna systems is planning to produce/sell ide zif adapters that can be used in daps for those who dont want to build one theirselves
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21:35:33peturMK6006GAH is ATA so that's ok
21:36:21kkekdosndoes anybody know if when i hook up the 4gb nano up to the xbox if there is anything specific i have to do to get it to show up, or will it show up as another drive on xbmc
21:36:23kkekdosn?
21:36:32betathanks petur - i've found one on ebay (not sure if I should order one from the UK (where I am!) or from the US.. it's 10 pounds cheaper from the US but I'm not sure if it will survive the shipping)...
21:37:51betaits an ipod drive i was looking at.. so if i just open up the gigbeat, switch the drives and plug the USB into the gigabeat, should it come up in windows explorer?
21:38:02saratogakkekdosn: ask the XBMC people
21:38:55peturbeta: no idea how this goes for gigabeat... ask toffe82 or markun
21:39:10betaok thanks for your help :-)
21:41:11The-CompilerHow is the new IP of the site? I still can't access the site, so I try it with a entry in the /etc/hosts
21:42:48desowinrockbox.org (91.191.140.131)
21:44:24The-CompilerNow it works
21:44:40The-CompilerBut is build.rockbox.org another IP?
21:44:54The-Compilerbuild.rockbox.org don't work.... :(
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21:45:13scorcheno...build.rockbox.org is still on the www server
21:45:26peturis it?
21:46:18peturnope, different IP
21:47:17*petur hates it when sample code manipulates bits that are marked 'reserved' in the datasheet
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21:50:09scorchehooray!...we have a group pic....now to add names
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21:50:40scorchepixelma: around?
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21:51:57pixelmajust came back
21:52:41scorchewe have a much better group shot for you...just a sec while we shrink it and host it
21:53:11scorcheor, we arent shrinking it =P
21:54:11pixelmawell, wouldn't be a big problem
21:55:31scorchewe have decided to shrink it, as we dont like the zoomed in version on our faces
21:56:15desowinThe-Compiler: build.rockbox.org (83.168.254.42)
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21:56:31Mouser_XHeh. I can see that Devcon West is being *very* productive!
21:56:38scorchewe are!
21:56:55alienbiker99is that sarcasm???
21:57:01scorchewe just got everything about the themes sorted out (as in planning)
21:57:02saratogaare you spending a lot of time on the Gigabeat?
21:57:12The-Compilerdesowin: thx
21:57:18Mouser_XA little (sarcasm, that is.)
21:57:22The-Compilerdesowin: Do I need other IP's?
21:57:33scorchejoely and toffe have been working on the gigabeat pretty much the whole time with a few breaks, actually
21:57:42desowinThe-Compiler: you mean ? I'm just average joe here
21:57:42Mouser_XCool.
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21:58:03Mouser_XI'm hoping there's a working S port soon.
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21:58:38Mouser_XWhat about the IR thing? Joely was going to work on that, wasn't he?
21:58:45saratogascorche: hows the progress on that coming?
21:58:52scorchewas going to being the operative word =P
21:58:59Mouser_XAh.
21:59:02scorchesaratoga: ask toffe82
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21:59:19Mouser_XPretty much, yes.
21:59:23saratogai've been skimming their logs actually
21:59:31Mouser_XLogs are down.
21:59:42saratogabut i only have an F, and I don't think preglow would be happy about me slacking on the wma project
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22:00:08Mouser_XWMA? You mean someone is actually going to get that working?
22:00:22scorcheMouser_X: GSOC project
22:00:31Mouser_XAh.
22:00:56Mouser_XI should have figured. If you're getting paid to do it, then sure, why not?
22:01:34toffe82saratoga: working with ptw419 , we still have some problem ...
22:02:02saratogahave you gotten a display driver working?
22:02:46toffe82not yet, we are working on it
22:02:53Mouser_XThat's their problem. Still nothing displaying to the screen.
22:09:18Bagdermarkun: I actually already stated my opinion about them considering the dm320
22:09:28Bagderso I added a URL for that now
22:09:41*linuxstb isn't sure about the metadata.c split
22:13:13markunlinuxstb: sorry
22:13:28markunyou don't like it at all or just how I've done it?
22:13:36saratogaso right now, the old wma2wav plugin calls a function in the wma deocoder that pulls some of the codec functions pointers
22:13:43saratogastuff like strcpy and such
22:14:04saratogais there some reason I can't just do like testcodec.c does and get those pointers directly without calling the decoder?
22:15:31linuxstbmarkun: I guess I didn't see it as a problem needing to be fixed. It's now almost a case of one file per function, which has gone to the other extreme...
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22:16:00saratogafwiw, I though the old way was a little messy
22:16:13saratogasince i didn't really want to dig through the spc code just to figure out how to add a new codec
22:16:35saratogabut then i'm not really an experienced c programmer, so maybe that sort of this is normal
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22:18:53markunlinuxstb: but which extreme do you think is better?
22:19:20markunperhaps some code be put in the same file, but I don't see what that would gain us
22:19:59saratogamarkun: well there is that 700 byte increase, so perhaps that could be improved?
22:20:06markunsaratoga: I hope so
22:20:25markunI wonder what caused the increase
22:20:53markunfor coldfire it's 280, but still a lot
22:21:09saratogai think the second commit upped the coldfire mroe
22:21:28markunno, the first commit didn't build for coldfire
22:21:44markunthe 340 you see is from the gapless AAC commit
22:21:51saratogaah
22:21:56saratogamy mistake
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22:27:45scorchepixelma: sorry for the wait, but it is on the site on the top section...just needs some names added =)
22:29:20Bagdernice shirts! ;-)
22:31:08saratogawhy does codeclib.c have malloc?
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22:31:19saratogai thought rockbox did not use malloc?
22:31:25Bagderit's a "fake" malloc
22:31:29Bagdersome of the codecs use it
22:31:44saratogais there a downside to using it?
22:32:02saratogai've removed most of the malloc calls in my stuff, but i won't bother doing the rest if theres no need
22:32:09Bagderit is very simple and should be used by caution
22:32:19Bagderor "with" ... :-)
22:33:02linuxstbsaratoga: Ideally we would want to remove it, so if you can avoid using it in new codecs, it would be good...
22:33:21saratogaok, i will put that on my todo list
22:33:32saratogai don't think the codec actually needs malloc anyway, i think people were just lazy
22:34:21saratogaalso, while we're talking about memory, wma has a ridiculous number of lookup tables
22:34:33saratogahas the extra iram on some targets been enabled?
22:36:09lostlogicmarkun: why did the metadata split cause a change in code size?
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22:36:58bluebrotherhmm. I somewhat like the idea of grouping by tag type
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22:37:31kohlmanhey i need some help
22:38:16kohlmani was wondering what .wps files are because i have some but not sure what they do
22:38:34Mouser_XWPS = While Playing Screen
22:38:34kohlmanthey came with a theme i downloaded
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22:38:50kohlmanso what do they do
22:38:57bluebrotherthey customize the look of the playing screen
22:39:38kohlmanalso some of my wma files dont work on rockbox but they do in regular why?
22:39:49Bagderonly some?
22:39:52bluebrotherRockbox doesn't support wma
22:39:54saratogabecause i haven't finished the wma decoder yet
22:39:55bluebrotherat least not yet.
22:40:06kohlmano..
22:40:17bluebrotherif you have wma files that play then those files aren't wma at all ...
22:40:31*bluebrother points to the fine manual ...
22:40:41kohlmanthey play in the actual firmware
22:40:47*Bagder points to saratoga ;-)
22:41:23bluebrotherwell, most people in here don't care about OF's
22:41:23kohlmanso what file work both in original and rockbox
22:41:41kohlmanwell what type of files should i use
22:41:41Bagderditch the original and you'll be happier!
22:41:48kohlmanwell what type of files should i use??
22:41:55Bagderanything but wma
22:42:04Bagderor wait until it supports wma
22:42:04bluebrotheryou might want to check the wiki SoundCodecs page ...
22:42:12*Mouser_X likes ADX.
22:42:29bluebrotherbah, ditch wma. :)
22:42:30Mouser_XHowever, that's generally not actually recommened for use when encoding your audio files.
22:42:39Mouser_X^ ADX
22:42:47drofdarbNew Toshiba F40 for 96 bucks a good deal?
22:42:51alienbiker99yeah
22:42:54drofdarbI've never had a chance to actually play with one
22:42:56Mouser_XDang good deal!
22:42:59Bagderis indeed
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22:43:17Mouser_XLink? I'll buy it. (I already have one though..)
22:43:23drofdarbHeh
22:43:32drofdarbI'm between it and a clix 2
22:43:37kohlmank so what program should i use to convert
22:44:00Mouser_XI use Exact Audio Copy.
22:44:00kohlman?
22:44:05bluebrotheranything you like
22:44:08Mouser_XOr Oggdrop.
22:44:14alienbiker99mediamonkey
22:44:21kohlmanand what do u reccomend i convert it to?
22:44:34linuxstbmp3 will work everywhere...
22:44:35alienbiker99..mp3?
22:44:46kohlmanok thanks
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22:45:53amiconnlinuxstb? preglow?
22:48:12saratogahas anyone ever gotten the uisim to work over an SSH session?
22:48:22Bagdersure
22:48:41saratogait complains about audio for me
22:48:51Bagderah, audio...
22:49:00BagderI never did audio much with the sim
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22:49:09bluebrotherwell, audio over ssh ...?
22:49:21Bagderright, it just won't work
22:49:24saratogai don't really need to hear anything, but i think the audio buffer doesn't work righht without something to empty it
22:49:43saratoganot a huge deal right now, but still a little annoying
22:50:21linuxstbamiconn?
22:50:48amiconnlinuxstb: Iirc you mentioned a tool to create sine sweeps?
22:51:00amiconnAudacity can do that (latest beta), but only linear...
22:51:03linuxstbNo, I don't think it was me.
22:51:09Bagderlear seemed to have one
22:51:36dionoeacan i ask what a "sine sweep" is ?
22:51:44*amiconn needs a logarithmic sweep
22:51:54dionoeaor a "* sweep" in fact :)
22:52:14amiconnFull range 20-20000, lossless
22:52:20saratogaits a tone that plays a sin of variable frequency
22:52:30dionoeaah ok. Thanks.
22:53:02saratogai guess you could write one by calculating a bunch of sins and using windows to overlap their outputs
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22:57:38linuxstbmarkun: I think your metadata split is growing on me. A few comments though: 1) Should metadata.[ch] be in metadata/ as well? 2) I think you forgot the keywords property on the new files; 3) get_itunes_int32 seems to belong in mp4.c, not metadata_common.c; 4) I didn't write everything, so probably shouldn't have been given copyright on all the files. But that probably needs other people to claim copyright and change the headers.
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22:58:38betadense question; if i'm updating to the newest build of rockbox, how do i go about it?
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22:58:46betaextract over the current .rockbox dir?
22:58:49dionoeayup
22:59:07betawhat about config file?
22:59:18betadon't i loose all my preferences?
22:59:19dionoeait's not saved in a file
22:59:26dionoeaso you won't lose anything
22:59:27markunlinuxstb: I thought that the itunes parser might be used for gapless playback of itunes generated mp3 as well
22:59:40betadionoea - oh ok where is it saved?
22:59:52Bagderdionoea: it is saved in a file these days...
22:59:52saratogamarkun: itunes just reads the lame header, so assuming they don't remove that, it should be fine
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23:00:04dionoeaah ... it changed :)
23:00:08saratogathough i don't know if its own encoder can write gapless info
23:00:11dionoeaAnyway, you won't lose your config
23:00:18markunit does, the same as for WMA
23:00:22markunehh, AAC :)
23:00:34betaok... if i loose all my settings... you know who ill be blaming... ;-)
23:00:37saratogaare you sure its actually writing the info?
23:00:47saratogai konw itunes will guess gapless info if theres none there
23:01:07saratogai wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bother to update their encoder
23:01:14saratogaapple hasn't touched it since the OS9 days IIRC
23:01:20markunsaratoga: let me look up a link for you
23:02:57markunsaratoga: look at the id3 info in the thread: http://forum.funkysouls.com/dump/f34t19639.html
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23:03:18markuniTunNORM and iTunSMPB are stored in comments
23:03:29linuxstbmarkun: Also, the get_vorbis_metadata() function should probably be called get_ogg_metadata() and moved to an ogg.c (the speex version of the Ogg parser could maybe also be in ogg.c, and hopefully merged with the vorbis one)
23:03:41markunlinuxstb: yes, I was thinking about that too
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23:04:50saratogamarkun: yes I know, however, for LAME files, those values are dervived from the lame tag, and if there is no lame tag, they're just estimated by itunes using silence detection
23:04:50markunlinuxstb: 2) how do I add the property?
23:05:03linuxstbSee the UsingSVN wiki page
23:06:02markunsaratoga: so itunes generates this for every file, not only the ones generated by their encoder?
23:06:44linuxstbmarkun: In fact, maybe it's clearer to keep the names for now (get_vorbis_metadata and get_speex_metadata), but put them in an ogg.c. If the two functions get merged, then it can be called get_ogg_metadat...
23:07:10saratogamarkun: thats correct
23:07:26saratogalet me see if i can find the post where the apple codec guys explain it
23:07:38markunok
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23:17:03saratogamarkun: i was wrong, the LAME tag info is stored in the database, but not rewriten to the id3 tag
23:17:07saratogahttp://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=48231&st=125#
23:17:15saratogakincaid is one of the Apple codec guys, fwiw
23:18:05markunwell, let's just assume that if they use the iTunSMPB to make AAC gapless it will do the same for MP3
23:18:19markuncan't hurt to add support for it
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23:35:36pixelmadionoea: talking about sweeps... did you try out the minesweeper patch on your Ipod?
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23:37:50saratogain the UIsim, how do i pull up a context menu?
23:38:02*amiconn now has a nice 20..20000Hz sine sweep :)
23:39:18saratogai've tried every key i can think of
23:39:39linuxstbsaratoga: Long-press on enter?
23:40:25markunamiconn: I've once made a simple sine sweep generator, are you interested?
23:40:52markunah :)
23:41:03amiconnI found and used this: http://www.dsp4swls.de/sigen/signalgeneng.html
23:41:28saratogalinustb: sorry, long press of which key?
23:41:33saratogaenter doesn't do much
23:42:22dionoeaspace ? F8 ? Insert ?
23:42:41linuxstbSorryhink it's space...
23:42:49linuxstbI mean "Sorry, I think it's space...."
23:43:01amiconnI depends on whch target you simulate...
23:43:13saratogaspace it is
23:43:15saratogathanks!
23:43:16pixelmadepends on the sim (which target). Do you run the sim with "−−background"? Helps to find out the keymappings...
23:44:04dionoeadoesn't help much if you're using a laptop's keyboard :)
23:44:17dionoeapixelma: i didn't try the patch yet.
23:44:48amiconnLaptops also have numlock...
23:45:12dionoeayeah but that messes up half the keyboard
23:45:45amiconnWell, some sim keys don't have no-numlock equivalents...
23:47:15 Part Redbreva
23:50:50DerPapstpixelma: where is the patch?
23:51:41pixelmaDerPapst: don't have it here and already took it off of my webspace - maybe dionea could send it to you...
23:51:56DerPapstah.. ok
23:52:06*DerPapst looks at dionoea
23:52:09dionoeadionoea.chewa.net/minesweeper_keymap.diff
23:52:41DerPapstthank you both :)
23:54:36DerPapstamiconn: heh.. i thought you want to have example code to create sinewaves on your dap ^^

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