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#rockbox log for 2007-06-26

00:00:08saratogaprint out the pointer and make sure its being passed correctly?
00:00:13saratogathat usually the first thing I do
00:00:45linuxstb_I would expect it to either work, or to crash. I wouldn't expect it to do nothing...
00:00:48mud-rockboxis there some easy way to do debug prints without the plugin_api interface?
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00:00:53mud-rockboxyeah, doing nothing was certainly nto expected
00:01:13saratogaif you're in the sim, theres DEBUGF
00:01:30linuxstbDo the exact same rb->whatever calls work in your main .c file?
00:02:49mud-rockboxyeah, i think it was the exact same call, i just copy and pasted, let me make sure
00:03:05mud-rockboxyep
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00:04:55mud-rockboxdoesn't DEBUGF use rb? actually it gives me rb undeclared because i named it something else in my second object file...
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00:08:29linuxstbmud-rockbox: I would just declare it "extern" in your other C files, and make it non-static in the main .c
00:09:02mud-rockboxyeah that was actually how i had it before but i thought maybe linker didn't like that somehow. is that what static is supposed to mean, that you can't extern it somewhere else?
00:09:19saratogayeah static means its local to your current file
00:09:33saratogaamoung other things
00:09:50saratogastatic has to be one of the most overloaded keywords in any language
00:10:12mud-rockboxyeah, i never remember what it means in C except the "make this global" part of it
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00:10:33mud-rockboxoh good, the pointers are xactly the same and it still just doesn't do anything...
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00:21:43threekiloscocaihello
00:21:54threekiloscocaisomeone has experience with the albumart patch?
00:22:00peturPaulJam: are you already in the credits file?
00:22:00threekiloscocaii patched the sourc
00:22:04threekiloscocaicompiled it
00:22:09threekiloscocaibut cant see any pics
00:22:37mud-rockboxare you using a theme that supports album art?
00:22:48PaulJampetur: no, unfortunately i have no realname.
00:22:49mud-rockboxthe wps needs to have special tags in it i'm pretty sure
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00:23:42peturPaulJam: bad luck for you then, that clock fix you pointed out is obvious so no credit eh?
00:23:42threekiloscocaii tried a simple wps
00:23:45threekiloscocaijust a %C
00:23:50threekiloscocaiwhich should work i think
00:24:17threekiloscocaii also tryed the iCatcher which should support it too
00:24:20threekiloscocaibut doestn work too
00:24:54PaulJampetur: i'm already happy if the bugs get fixed.
00:25:22mud-rockboxthreek: no idea then. the patch application didn't get any errrors i assume?
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00:26:05threekiloscocainone
00:26:12peturPaulJam: that backlight setting thing must be fixed too before closing FS #7205?
00:26:44mud-rockboxthreek: you could try one of the custom builds that have album art to make sure you're not doing something wrong i guess?
00:28:31threekiloscocaiif something in the wpscode was wrong i'd get the standardwps, wouldnt i?
00:35:04threekiloscocaido i have 2 active albumart somewhere? in a config or something else then the wps
00:36:03peturalbumart is pretty much unsupported here (most devs don't know about it)
00:36:19peturafaik, you don't need to activate it
00:36:33threekiloscocaiwell, at least its in the wiki, so i thought...
00:36:37peturmaybe the graphics are the wrong format?
00:36:43pixelmais your album art still only a tag by any chance
00:36:52threekiloscocai?
00:37:01threekiloscocaiits a 24bit cover.bmp
00:37:05threekiloscocaiin the same dir as the file
00:37:24pixelmaok, no idea then (don't know much about it)
00:40:30mud-rockboxdata abort message is probably something like seg fault?
00:41:01peturor misaligned data
00:41:28mud-rockboxoh, that might be it
00:41:47mud-rockboxarm is like natural alignment or whatever that is? 1 aligned to 1, 2 to 2, 4 to 4, etc?
00:42:03peturyes
00:47:44bluebrotherwell, the AlbumArt wiki page clearly says it's unofficial and unsupported ...
00:48:09bluebrotherbut you could try building a sim and watch the output −− it might give you hints why a theme isn't working
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00:58:14threekiloscocaiok
00:58:20threekiloscocainow i know he doesnt find the file
00:58:26threekiloscocaithe albumart bitmap
00:59:54threekiloscocaistrange
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01:00:01threekiloscocaiat this one file he seems to find one
01:00:11threekiloscocaibut doesnt show it
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01:06:22DerPapstgood night at all :)
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02:59:02RoC_MasterMindPeople's quite messages are amusing.
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03:34:25Echelonhow do i drop rockbox into recover mode on the toshiba gigabeat?
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04:03:51linuxstbEchelon: It depends on the version of the Rockbox bootloader you have - either plug in USB before you turn it on, or hold MENU as it boots.
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04:40:52konamsomeone can tell me why sometimes when i plug my ipod to the computer the files 'notes, ipod_control, calendars and contacts' reappear, and because of this the original firmware get load
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05:04:12konam.....
05:04:23konami asume that there's no way to do it then, thanks
05:05:38jhMikeSnoone may know why...I certainly have no idea
05:06:47konamjhMikeS this happens to you?
05:09:02jhMikeSNo, I have an iPod I just got but haven't even been able to plug it in since I have no cable for it. It's not even charged up.
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05:20:37Soapany developers want a Nano for free?
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05:22:04Soapit is only a 1 GB, but is FREE
05:24:38SoapGreat for those developers who need portaplayer.
05:24:40konamwow, why no one has answered
05:24:55Soapand who doesnt need more portaplayer in their lives?
05:25:11scorchequite a few...
05:25:17Soapwell, konam, most the core is asleep.
05:25:17konamSoap check the rockbox web page and look for some way of contacting them
05:25:57toffe82Soap: you don't have a gigabeat X60 free ;)
05:26:25Soaptoffe82: is that an offer?
05:26:52SoapI'll trade
05:27:30toffe82I didn't say I have , I said do you have :)
05:27:53Soapnah, only people I can lowball price seem to have iPods.
05:29:08toffe82everybode has an ipod, they don't know what they miss
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05:30:43Soapso what is the going rate on an S30?
05:35:21toffe82I don't reqlly know, between 130 and 160
05:35:36Soapand is ATA 50 pin compatible with CF?
05:35:40jhMikeSSoap: PP5020 based?
05:36:07SoapjhMikeS: let me look, I don't think so.
05:36:24scorchejhMikeS: well, it is a nono so 5021
05:36:30scorches/nono/sano
05:36:31Soapthat would be the 1st gen mini and 4th gen
05:36:59scorches/s/nono/sano/s/nono/nano
05:37:06SoapjhMikeS: do you want me to keep my eyes open for a 5020 player?
05:37:30jhMikeSSoap: yes since that's the troubled one. I've already got a 5002 based one.
05:37:39Soapcan do
05:38:00SoapI've turned down numerous Mini 1st gens in the past when looking for a Mini 2nd gen.
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05:39:29jhMikeSSoap: Thanks. BTW, a cable would be nice since the same cable will work on the 3g?
05:39:51Soapyes, same cable should work 3rd on up, assuming the 3rd has USB?
05:39:56Soap(the connector is the same)
05:40:20scorcheisnt the 3g firewire?
05:40:28jhMikeSthe sansa connector I believe is the same (plugs in) too but doesn't work
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05:41:35saratogain case anyone is still awake: the 3g had USB
05:42:19scorchewell, it was only said a min ago...
05:42:36Soapscorche: everyipod.com says the 3rd has FW and USB, but no USB charging?
05:43:15scorcheSoap: yeah...no usb charging
05:49:53jhMikeSso I can't even charge it I want to :P Cheapest way to manage it?
05:50:22Soapwire 12 volts from your motherboard to the firewire pins.
05:51:42saratogayou can get chargers for a couple dollars off ebay
05:51:58saratogathey'll break after about a month, but they do work initially
05:52:02Soapthat too (though less fun)
05:53:01Soapyou can get the Apple brand chargers on Craigslist for ~$10
05:53:11jhMikeSI've got some stuff to put a standalone 12V power supply together...would be nice to have easy plugin on it.
05:53:50Soapbut that's a third generation issue, mini and 4th will charge from USB.
05:54:03jhMikeSwhat's the charge current from the 12V?
05:55:22Soapdon't know. wouldn't 5/12th the USB current draw be a safe ballpark figure?
05:55:26saratogacouple hundred ma I'd imagine
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05:57:12jhMikeSA switchmode regulator on usb would work if it doesn't go over ~208mA on the 12V side...hrm
05:59:23Soaporiginal battery was 600 or 650 mah, Apple claimed 3 hours to charge, doesn't sound like more than 200 mA @ 12 volt unless a really wasteful charger.
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06:37:51mud-rockboxis there a map file built somewhere for simulator versions? i need to find out what's taking up all of the RAM...
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06:56:15mud-rockboxis there some way to tell what is taking up a lot of space in a plugin? i'm porting code and it's really hard to tell...
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07:06:10ComputinChucki'm interested in getting involved in rockbox, what's the best place to get started?
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07:08:41ComputinChucki'm probably most interested in rockbox on ipod, i have a 5G
07:09:11mud-rockboxgetting involved in what way? development?
07:10:19The-Compilergood morning
07:10:52ComputinChuckmud-rockbox, yea.
07:11:16mud-rockboxhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers have you been here?
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07:12:41ComputinChuckyea, i looked it over
07:13:38mud-rockboxjust get a build environment set up and look for something that interests you, there's always bugs and feature requests in the tracker if you want ideas
07:14:35ComputinChuckok
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07:37:18amiconnmo0ning
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07:38:48ComputinChuckmorning, though it's only 10:30 here
07:38:51ComputinChuckpm
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07:41:09amiconnTime zones are a strange concept... ;)
07:41:46ComputinChuckhehe, indeed
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07:48:04mud-rockboxsorry to ask again, but is there some way to get a symbol/map file to see what's taking up all the space in my plugin?
07:49:22amiconnThere is a .map file in the build directory for each plugin after building
07:51:34amiconn(for target builds, can also be enabled for sims where it was disabled due to some temporary binutils problem in debian)
07:51:48mud-rockboxoh i see, i was looking for it in the sim...
07:52:12mud-rockboxdo you know how to enable it for the simulator? my build fails on real target because i run out of space in the plugin ram segment or whatever that is
07:54:36amiconnRemove the "#" in front of "#SIMULATOR_MAP=-Wl,-Map,$(OBJDIR)/rockbox.map" in apps/Makefile
07:54:44amiconn(line 174)
07:55:09mud-rockboxah, thank you very much
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08:07:12ptw419anyone know how to disable inline memcpy w/ gcc?
08:09:27amiconnThat's not possible afaik
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08:09:39amiconn(explicitly)
08:10:48ptw419hmm
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08:13:02ptw419i think it may be causing trouble w/ my code which is weird...
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09:36:13lachlan1211Llorean: I'm having troub rebooting my iPod (80GB) back into the Apple firmware- I reboot using Menu + Select and then flick on the hold switch as the iPodFAQ suggests, but the iPod simply hangs on the apple logo until I'm forced to reboot it. Do you know what I'm doing wrong?
09:36:38lachlan1211s/troub/trouble
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09:42:07peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple says otherwise, best read that again
09:42:26petur"Shut the device down by holding PLAY/PAUSE. Then, press MENU or SELECT to boot the iPod. Immediately after doing this, turn on the HOLD switch."
09:42:27GodEaterlachlan1211: sounds like you're not waiting long enough for it to boot
09:42:38GodEaterthe Apple firmware takes AGES to load
09:43:54markunjhMikeS: did you do any current measurements yesterday?
09:44:26lachlan1211GodEater: that seems to have been the problem, I thought it had just frozen. Thanks for your help, and you petur;)
09:44:39GodEaterno problem
09:45:22mud-rbdo plugins get 512kB on every platform, or are some lower?
09:45:37Zagorarchos is lower
09:45:43Zagor32kb iirc
09:45:45B4gdervery very much lower ;-)
09:46:01mud-rbhmm, okay my plugin isn't going to work on that..
09:46:03mud-rbhaha
09:47:12Zagormud-rb: what plugin are you working on?
09:47:37mud-rbgame recorder/viewer for go/igo/baduk/weiqi
09:47:45daurnhey
09:47:50mud-rbi could do it on not much RAM, but i'm mostly stealing code from gnugo
09:48:00mud-rbwhich uses memory like it is its job, apparently
09:48:39GodEatera professional memory thief
09:49:50mud-rbi was hoping to port the whole thing, but i had to cut out large sections of just the basic like game board handling just to get it under 512K with room to spare, so i'm not sure how feasible that is
09:50:29mud-rbmaybe if i steal the audio buffer and rework a lot of code to use that instead
09:55:10Zagorwhat on earth is it using all that memory for? 12-hour games?
09:55:30mud-rbit has a lot of hashing and such
09:56:02mud-rbmostly to make it fast to undo changes and things like that
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10:16:54B4gdermoving the builds
10:17:04B4gderbuckle up
10:18:24*GodEater holds tight
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10:21:21B4gderbuild2.rockbox.org should work really soon
10:21:50B4gderuntil the build name has propagated properly
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10:25:39B4gderanyone has a commit pending?
10:28:02oboFS #7353 is pretty minor...
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10:29:03peturhahaha that's perfect timing to get your patches in :)
10:30:19obo:D
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10:48:34peturhmmm clicking on the currently building change doesn't give any changes. Did you just kick the buildserver without commit?
10:48:46B4gderno, I had a little path error
10:50:18peturwhy is there an empty table between build and size tables?
10:50:33B4gderthere's no zips there
10:50:51peturduh
10:51:00*petur suddenly sees the zips are gone
10:51:54B4gdersomething is really not good
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10:57:49mud-rbwell the archos zip is there now, that's progress
10:58:36amiconn_the_ archos zip?
10:58:37B4gderwell, I stopped the script
10:58:52amiconnThere should be at least 6
10:59:10mud-rbcough well one of them, honestly i have no idea what platforms there are except my player, haha
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11:00:48peturyou better learn your targets before posting a plugin in the tracker :)
11:01:18mud-rbyeah, i'm just going for making it as general as possible and hoping it works...the buttons are going to be trouble though
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11:06:06B4gdernow why does it do this...
11:07:55GodEaterhmm - are we completely 100% sure that the hardware in the 80GB iPod is the same as the 60GB iPod (obviously apart from the disk) ?
11:08:39GodEaterthe reason I ask this is because I've just helped a colleague install RB on his 60GB, and it runs noticeably slower than mine
11:09:38scorcheGodEater: and you are running the exact same build under the same conditions/settings?
11:09:58GodEaternot yet - my own is running a slightly older build
11:10:17GodEaterI'm about to update it to see if there's any difference
11:10:26GodEaterbut I wouldn't expect mine to have just slowed down miraculously
11:11:06GodEaterand I'm mainly talking about the UI experience whilst nothing is playing
11:11:17GodEaterscrolling through the file list on his was quiet sluggish
11:11:20GodEater*quite
11:11:27GodEaterwhilst on mine it's very acceptable
11:11:33scorchewell, to answer your question, yes they are the same
11:11:48scorchedid the list of files have teh same number of files in it, etc?
11:12:20GodEaterno - his had less
11:12:26LloreanGodEater: Do you use icons? Did he use icons?
11:12:36GodEaterI don't use any no - and neither does he
11:12:36B4gderzips are appearing
11:13:05scorchewell, instead of us asking all of these questions, can you just come back after using the same build and resetting the settings on both? =)
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11:14:14GodEaterok - I'm on the same build as him now
11:14:28scorcheand settings are reset?
11:14:29peppohm, my rockbox ipodvideo isn't mounting. when I connect the usb cable it goes into starting mounting, but instead of displaying "Do not disconnect", it says "OK to disconnect" and doesn't mount the device.
11:14:34pepposystem log says:
11:14:40GodEaterwe have identical settings - I copied my .cfg files over for him so that when he asks me questions I know what he's got set up
11:14:42peppoDevice not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive.
11:14:57GodEaterI haven't reset them to default on both though no
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11:17:30GodEatercurious. I'd definitely say there's a difference. It's not huge - but enough to be noticeable.
11:17:42GodEaterI'll see if I can borrow his at lunch time and do the default settings thing
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11:20:31peppohm, I rebooted the ipod while it was in the ipod's "do not disconnect" mode... now it seems it's gone broke :(
11:20:55peppoand now I get these error messages in syslog:
11:21:13peppohttp://rafb.net/p/Kg23Vm92.html
11:21:48mud-rbreboot device, reboot computer, try again?
11:22:14peppoyeah
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11:32:37markunGodEater: you could test the decoding speed of the same track on both players to see if one of them is really faster
11:33:17markunbut you have to compile the test_codec plugin yourself
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11:33:31Lloreanmarkun: I don't see how one player could be noticeable faster since we clock them to the same speed anyway. Wouldn't it have to be some other piece of hardware than the CPU delaying screen updates or something?
11:33:45peppoGodEater, yes, a reboot did it. phew :) thanks
11:34:12markunLlorean: I don't know. Maybe a different revision of the portalplayer chip or something?
11:35:01linuxstb_AFAIK, the LCD updates go via the Broadcom chip, so maybe newer versions of the Broadcom firmware are faster? Running test_fps.c would be interesting
11:35:18*petur was just going to suggest the same
11:35:30*Llorean was beginning to think in that direction, but hadn't got there yet
11:35:59linuxstb_Also, something to do with the LCD hardware was supposedly changed in the 5.5g. Maybe that was just the backlight though.
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11:58:53GodEatermarkun: I did say it was the UI - not decoding speed
11:59:02GodEaterand while it wasn't playing *anything*
11:59:22markunGodEater: did you use the same font?
11:59:27GodEateryes
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12:00:54*GodEater goes hunting for test_fps.c
12:01:25markunGodEater: add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES and recompile
12:01:39GodEaterwas just doing that
12:05:10GodEater1/1: 385. fps 1/4: 58.0 fps CPU:75000000 Hz
12:05:16GodEaterthat's for the 80GB
12:05:20GodEater38.5 fps
12:05:21GodEaterscuse me
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12:06:18mud-rbchip makers should advertise clock speeds in raw hertz instead of mhz, it sure looks more impressive that way
12:11:41linuxstb_GodEater: That seems very slightly faster than the results posted for a 30GB 5g here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate (36.5fps / 57fps)
12:12:03linuxstb_But those results are a year old - maybe the 30GB would be slightly faster today as well...
12:12:27linuxstb_But I wouldn't have expected that difference to be noticable.
12:13:22GodEaterno figures for a 60 ?
12:13:29oboDidn't Apple release a newer version of the broadcom firmware with one of the OF updates?
12:14:00linuxstb_GodEater: No.
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12:14:14GodEaterhow do I get the other two values (for slower CPU speeds) ?
12:14:37linuxstb_Ah, you didn't boost the CPU manually?
12:14:50linuxstb_That would seem to suggest your ipod is stuck on CPU boost.
12:14:53GodEaternope
12:15:00GodEater=/
12:15:13GodEatereh ?
12:15:14linuxstb_Normally you would have got the low CPU speeds in test_fps.c unless you had manually boosted in the debug screen.
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12:15:24GodEaternever been in there
12:15:33linuxstb_So that explains your performance difference.
12:16:02GodEatercpu freq in the system menu seems to be jumping between 30 / 75 about once a second
12:16:14linuxstb_When playing music, or idle?
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12:17:19GodEaterthat was while playing music
12:17:24GodEaternow I'm idle, it's back to 30
12:17:38GodEaterodd
12:17:38linuxstbAnd the UI performance is still faster than the 60GB?
12:17:49GodEaterI swear I ran the plugin early at idle
12:18:04GodEaterI've not got : 22.5, 46.0 at 30Mhz
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12:18:49GodEaternot seen it drop to 24MHz though
12:19:10linuxstbNo, it won't unless you do it manually.
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12:23:07B4gderthe builds seem to work...
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12:23:25B4gdermagic!
12:24:18GodEater22.5/45.5 on the 60
12:24:23GodEatermust just be my imagination then
12:24:24GodEater=/
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12:25:02DerPapstmorning :)
12:27:22GodEater36.0/50.0 @ 75MHz from the 60
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12:53:18watscan someone give me a hand
12:53:21wats??
12:54:07GodEaterwats: hard to say - we don't know what you want a hand with
12:54:08B4gderask the question and you'll see
12:54:36watsi cant launch videos on my ipod video 80gb there not in the browser
12:55:02markunwats: video that you can play with the original firmware?
12:55:16watsno
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12:55:19markunor mpeg videos for rockbox?
12:55:30watsmpeg
12:55:44GodEaterwhat setting have you got for "View Files" ?
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12:55:45markunare they .mpg or .mpeg ?
12:55:50watswhats better
12:55:54markun.mpg
12:56:37watsno like ipoo video movies or the rockbox codec
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12:57:02markunI think ipod video movies are much better
12:57:09markunbut you cannot play them in rockbox
12:58:00watsow bugger
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13:04:21linuxstbmarkun: I wouldn't say there's any real difference in the movies themselves. But on the ipod video, the Apple firmware is better at video playback than Rockbox (because it uses the hardware decoder) and hence videos look better in the Apple firmware.
13:04:46GodEaterlinuxstb: I think that's what he meant ;)
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13:16:53markunlinuxstb: I didn't find a way to reencrypt tne iriver firmwares
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13:17:31markunit looks like decoding skips every 50th byte, maybe that's some kind of checksum
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13:43:06linuxstbmarkun: I guess someone will need to find the real decryption function in the firmware (assuming it's there) and see how it works...
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14:16:46jhMikeSmarkun: I did current measuremeant and it's on the GigabeatInfo page
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14:17:37peturconsumes less after playback than before -> something not init?
14:18:29jhMikeSI've no idea if it's just pcm related or something in playback.c
14:18:52jhMikeSnothing comes to mind that isn't initialized though
14:21:57peturgigabeat doesn't do boosting, right?
14:22:37*petur links this with GodEater telling his ipod was boosted at startup
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14:23:42linuxstbpetur: Right. (no boosting on gigabeat)
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14:29:37GodEaterinteresting, there's no CPU info entry in the GB's debug menu
14:30:22GodEaterand the audio thread screen says the cpu is running at only 17MHz
14:30:44GodEaterpretty impressive
14:32:28LloreanHahaha
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14:32:41LloreanThat's just a symptom of scaling being disabled entirely
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14:34:36jhMikeSthe current consumption at boot is pretty much equal to the current consumption when playing a video that uses 100% of it's resources...so right now I'm thinking a core sleep isn't happening
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14:42:52markunjhMikeS: what could be the cause?
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14:45:01jhMikeSI'm making wild guesses so no clue. One thing is that it wouldn't show up in the OS stacks screen if the scheduler were just spinning around in the sleep loop.
14:45:54jhMikeSMaybe I'll put a loop counter in there and see if it slows down after playback or something.
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15:04:09*B4gder found the daily manual problem and is fixing it
15:07:58linuxstbWe have manual problems every day?
15:09:20*petur thought the manual problem was an automatic one
15:09:55jhMikeSbooo....hiss
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15:12:09*jhMikeS finds out he still has no idea
15:13:09dionoeayou could automatically launch a 1second mp3 file on boot :) That'd work
15:13:31jhMikeSlike a voice clip? :)
15:13:43petur"welcome to rockbox"
15:13:51dionoeatada!
15:14:30peturor maybe a fixed ad space - to be used for funding
15:14:38markun;)
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15:15:19webguest70hi all
15:15:35peturhi 70
15:15:52webguest70I'm having a problem with rockbox and wondering if anyone can help
15:16:09peturjust ask the question
15:16:47webguest70I have a dock, forget the actual model, when I put the iPod on to charge rockbox will shut down then immediately restart
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15:17:30dionoeayou need to hold the menu button when puting the ipod in the dock
15:17:34webguest70so I've tried just booting regularly into apple but at some point it seems to shut down and wants to restart
15:18:17webguest70and it either hangs on the apple screen or then boots back into rockbox and starts the cycle of restarting
15:19:10webguest70ok, I've read that about the menu but haven't had it work yet, might just be me not getting the menu held down as I'm putting it in the dock
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15:20:25webguest70Is there any way to swap the boot without using the linux loader thing?
15:21:03webguest70i.e. so that it loads apple by default and rockbox by holding menu?
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15:21:43dionoeanot without recompiling the rockbox bootloader
15:21:58linuxstbwebguest70: Are you using a recent version of Rockbox?
15:22:51webguest70yes, I've tried both the standard build and the jbuild
15:23:01linuxstbAlso, if you turn the hold switch on, that causes the Rockbox bootloader to start the Apple firmware instead of Rockbox (assuming you have the latest bootloader)
15:23:14linuxstbToday's standard build?
15:23:33JoleBoleHello everyone
15:23:40webguest70no, I've been using the jbuild for the past few days
15:24:02JoleBoleDoes anybody has experiencing slow video playback in iPod 30Gb ?
15:24:14dionoeaeveryone i guess
15:24:27dionoeaif you havea video ipod, use the apple firmware for video playback
15:24:40linuxstbwebguest70: The jbuild is very old, and probably doesn't include improvements made to the USB/power detection in Rockbox, which will be in today's build.
15:24:46dionoearockbox doesn't know how to use the dedicaded chip yet (and it won't in the near future)
15:25:02JoleBoleI uused all the info from the web site, tied all the posted enceoding tools with diferent sizes and bit rates, diferent frame rate, but still no result
15:25:03linuxstbwebguest70: Also, it's hard for us to help if you're not using the very latest official build.
15:25:14JoleBoleit's slow as 1fps
15:25:30linuxstbJoleBole: Did you read the wiki page that explains why it's bad on the ipod video?
15:25:59JoleBolewell I read all the instructions how to encode, and what parameters to use
15:26:05webguest70ok, I'll try it using today's build and see what happens
15:26:07webguest70thanks
15:26:09JoleBolewhat do u mean exectly ?
15:26:19linuxstbRead the Introduction section on the page.
15:26:33markunJoleBole: 1fps is quite slow. Which bitrate and resolution did you use?
15:26:36JoleBoledo u have a direct link ?
15:26:48linuxstbThe PluginMpegplayer page that has all the encoding info
15:26:48markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
15:27:13JoleBolewell I read almost everything on that page...
15:27:50JoleBoleso is anybody have good video performance on the 30gb ipod
15:27:51JoleBole?
15:28:05dionoeayou can't have good video performance
15:28:11markunJoleBole: as you can see from the table, only 10fps full screen
15:28:17JoleBoleyes....
15:28:17LloreanJoleBole: It says very clearly on that page that it performs poorly on the iPod Video.
15:28:18markunbut that's a lot more than your 1fps
15:28:49JoleBoleI encoded a file to 10fps but, still it played with 1fps
15:29:05LloreanJoleBole: Is that what the "Display FPS" option showed?
15:29:08JoleBoleor 2 :-)
15:29:12LloreanOr rather Show FPS
15:29:20markunJoleBole: did you try the elefants dream video?
15:29:28JoleBoleyes slow too
15:29:52LloreanJoleBole: 10fps is "slow". Did you use the Show FPS option, or are you just guessing "1 or 2"?
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15:30:40JoleBolethis is the only thing that makes me keep the apple firmware for now...If rockbox had good video palyback I would completley erase the apple formware and just have rockbox
15:31:19JoleBolei didn't catch the actual fps but whatever it is it's a poor performance overall , right
15:31:28LloreanYes, but you were mentioning numbers.
15:31:38dionoeawhich is what we've all been saying for the last 10 minutes if you'd read
15:31:41JoleBoleI know sorry...
15:31:45LloreanThe page says very, very clearly it's poor on the iPod Video because we can't use the broadcom chip
15:31:57LloreanEveryone here was thinking you were getting worse than the normal "poor" because you were mentioning specific numbers.
15:32:36LloreanRockbox plays video fine on many other players, but the iPod Video has a large screen, and a slow processor. Video won't be better on it unless someone figures out the Broadcom chip, which is somewhat unlikely to happen any time soon.
15:32:59GodEaterif ever
15:33:32JoleBolethat's bad...
15:33:45LloreanBlame Apple or Broadcom.
15:33:51markunstill, the difference between 1 and 10 fps should be quite visible I think
15:33:55JoleBoleI blame both
15:34:40JoleBoleSo what do u think is the solution for the problem....makeing apple or broadcom share the code ?
15:35:05dionoearebooting to apple's firmware is the only solution likely to work
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15:35:40markunJoleBole: yes, if they would start sharing info that would increase the chance of rockbox having good video playback
15:36:45JoleBolebasicly same like Micso$oft policy - dont share any of the code with the open source comunity....:-(
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15:37:23GodEaterwe're not really interested in their code
15:37:27markunJoleBole: well, the code is not the biggest problem, there is no info at all about the chip
15:38:26JoleBoleooo I understand..
15:38:53JoleBolebut still they are the ones who should provide info about their chip..
15:39:38markunthey don't have to of course
15:39:56JoleBolehow can they be so stupid...they dont' understand that having good video playback on rockbox will make more people buy their devices and installing rockbox on it...
15:40:24JoleBoleit's just a money matter i gues.
15:40:39LloreanActually, Rockbox tends to show off that superior hardware than the iPod tends to cost about half the price from other device manufacturers.
15:40:40dionoeaI doubt that rockbox would increase broadcom's or apple's sales in a significant way ... unfortunately
15:40:48LloreanThey probably don't want people installing Rockbox at all, ever.
15:41:08JoleBoleselfish bastards :-)
15:41:23Zagorthe only thing it can do is embarass their own brand.
15:41:31JoleBoleI agree
15:41:32markunor maybe we are just selfless bastards..
15:41:41JoleBolewhy is that ?
15:42:05jhMikeSMy gut tells me it's all about DRM
15:42:11markungiving away software that gives new features to old DAPs
15:42:15JoleBole...there is gonna be a solution for this problem - sonner or later
15:42:27markundon't count on it
15:42:29ZagorjhMikeS: why so? we can't play DRM files
15:42:48JoleBolegretings Zagor
15:42:52JoleBolenice nick
15:43:18jhMikeSI'm speaking of the origins of the hardware. The SD card secure interface isn't published for that reason.
15:43:19Zagorthanks... I think?
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15:43:58MrKeunerhi, is it possible to convert a hfs ipod to vfat ipod in GNU/Linux?
15:44:05markunyes
15:44:12ZagorjhMikeS: so the sd secure interface is in fact not secure?
15:44:46GodEaterMrKeuner: we have a page for it with details on the Rockbox Wiki
15:44:47Zagorwhy would they worry about people knowing how a secure interface works? ssl is pretty well-known, and still pretty secure.
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15:46:34MrKeunerGodEater: I can just remove all ipod firmware and just install rockbox?
15:48:28JoleBoleOK guys thanks for sharing the knoledge....I will keep using rockbox - and call some friends (chip manufactures) ....so maybe they can smugle some chip info..
15:48:33jhMikeSZagor: If knowing the intface would compromize the security, I suppose it's not.
15:48:37linuxstbMrKeuner: Yes, but you need a working ipod first for ipodpatcher to work.
15:48:57peturJoleBole: don't count on it
15:48:57jhMikeSbut they also get membership fees for giving you access to that
15:49:00linuxstbMrKeuner: The IpodConversionToFAT32 or IpodManualRestore wiki pages will help
15:49:16MrKeunergreat! thanks
15:49:43linuxstbMrKeuner: Just make sure the Apple firmware is working after converting to FAT32, then if you want to, you can use ipodpatcher to remove it...
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15:50:48MrKeunerlinuxstb: I suppose I can put ipod firmware back at anytime using itunes
15:50:57JoleBolethere's a chance petur. U never know..
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15:57:15JoleBolePeace..
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15:57:26godzirraWill rockbox run on the archos 604?
15:57:30godzirraor just the 400 series currently?
15:57:40B4gdernone of them
15:58:04godzirraoh, I thought it did.
15:58:06godzirraHrm.
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16:07:27RhinoBangaafternoon folks
16:08:41RhinoBangawho's the tag db expert around here?
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16:12:39PaulJamRhinoBanga: i think that would be Slasheri. But you could just ask your question, maybe someone else can help you too.
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16:18:56RhinoBangak ... I've discovered that the ID3 support only caters for tags up to 300 bytes
16:19:07RhinoBangawith lyrics, etc my tracks regularly beat that
16:19:25RhinoBangaso I changed id3.h to increase the buffer to 1024 bytes
16:19:29LloreanWhat do lyrics have to do with the database, though?
16:19:43RhinoBangaCOMM fields
16:19:57RhinoBangak ... maybe not lyrics ... but descriptions of tracks, etc
16:20:30RhinoBangawhen I rebuild the database everything seems to work, i.e rockbox parses my 8000+ files on my iPod
16:20:41RhinoBangawhen I reboot the database is empty
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16:20:55RhinoBangaand it asks me if I want to initialize it
16:21:55RhinoBangalooks like the db doesn't handle the change I made
16:23:00RhinoBangaif I make the buffer smaller (e.g. 500 bytes) the database gets built but still a lot of my tracks are classed as "untagged"
16:24:21RhinoBangayou can see the problem easily via the id3 test program
16:25:01RhinoBangaload up an MP3 with a load of text and you will see that tags after the 300th byte are ignored
16:25:21LloreanWeren't you asking about nearly the exact same problem earlier?
16:25:22SlasheriRhinoBanga: check TAG_MAXLEN in tagcache.h
16:25:33SlasheriRhinoBanga: that is just ~500 bytes
16:25:47RhinoBangaahhh ... that'll be it
16:26:03Slasheriit needs to be increased or buffers are not large enough to handle longer tags
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16:26:36RhinoBangaany chance someone could submit a change back to SVN that uses a #define for both of these so I only have to remember to change one element every time I want use a later rockbox?
16:27:14RhinoBangain my opinion though 300/500 bytes is a bit small, especially with lyrics, track details, etc held in the tags
16:27:58SlasheriRhinoBanga: you could create a nice patch as well, defining those both in a single define at some nice place
16:28:35RhinoBangawouldn't know how to make a patch, and since I presume you guys know how to do it and do it all the time I thought it would be quicker for you :D
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16:28:56*RhinoBanga fires up VMWare to try changed the limit
16:29:16SlasheriRhinoBanga: you don't use svn?
16:30:01RhinoBangaI only used the svn command to get the source ... svn is not my revision control software of choice, I use perforce
16:30:26Slasheriok, but then just typing svn diff is enough to produce the patch
16:30:52RhinoBangak ... I'll give it a try
16:31:03LloreanIMHO we shouldn't change the size in SVN though, it'll be more flexible with metadata on buffer but considering only one person has ever reported running into this limit, I think it's not actually a "problem"
16:31:48RhinoBangaunless people think it's just a bug with rb and don't bother reporting it ... it's only because I'm a developer that I bothered to tarce the issue
16:31:54RhinoBanga*trace
16:32:35markunRhinoBanga: new devs are welcome :)
16:32:43SlasheriLlorean: true, but unifying the define could be still good
16:32:52RhinoBangadoing it as we speak
16:32:55LloreanSlasheri: Unifying the define, I'm fine with.
16:33:06LloreanSlasheri: Just stating the patch should keep the sizes the same. ;)
16:33:35SlasheriLlorean: hehe, indeed :)
16:35:17LloreanI mean, I guess the size for in the database itself, I don't care so much about. But the ID3 struct doesn't need to be oversized for lyrics when we don't even support lyrics.
16:36:01RhinoBangaeven if you don't support them you have no idea where the supported tags
16:36:09RhinoBangathey could be after 300 bytes of lyrics
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16:36:57RhinoBangain which case the file would not get tagged at all ... which is not what you want
16:37:43RhinoBangaI've added #define ID3V2_BUFF_SIZE 300 to id3.h and changed the char buff in there accordingly
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16:38:05RhinoBangacurrently TAG_MAXLEN is MAXPATH*2
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16:38:29RhinoBangau sure it's ok to change that to ID3V2_BUFF_LEN*2?
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16:39:01RhinoBangaAssuminng MAXPATH is 256 bytes that makes 500 bytes originally, now it would become 600 bytes
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16:42:03Slasheriit should work. however, after doing a lot of database operations, it's good to check the stack usages from debug menu to be sure it isn't too much
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16:45:32PaulJami have a question: with my unsupported build i experienced, that moving files with rockbox seems to be able to cause filesystem corruption. i wanted to know if there is something similar already known in the official build (i haven'd found anything on the tracker) before i spend much time trying to reproduce it with an official buld.
16:45:40RhinoBangabuilding db now ... back in 10 mins :D
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17:03:20peturis there any difference recording-wise between h110 and h120 (except only 16MB ram for buffering)?
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17:09:33Toxicitylol
17:10:10peturwow.. there's a mass offering of h140 irivers on ebay (roadpal ebayshop)
17:11:28Toxicitye250 for life
17:12:22amiconnpetur: There shouldn't be a difference, but I don't know whether recording was tested on h110
17:13:01amiconnThere *might* be a problem with s/pdif recording (in case the recording code doesn't care for the reversed s/pdif enable polarity)
17:13:20peturWell I advised him to get an h140 as there were plenty on offer
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17:15:45blurfleok, so after a modest amount of searching and scrounging the FAQ, it was not immediately evident: is rockbox based on the linux kernel?
17:15:57peturnope
17:16:07Toxicityit's based on your mom's cock
17:16:13peturand I'm quite sure it's in the faq
17:16:28peturToxicity: stop that now please
17:16:35Toxicitywut
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17:19:09blurflepetur: if it's there, I'd like to know- it's painful asking such a faq-able question ;)
17:19:15linuxstbblurfle: Out of curiousity, what made you think Rockbox might have been based on the Linux kernel?
17:20:47GodEaterpetur: I don't think we explicitly say anywhere in the faq that we're NOT based on Linux. However, nowhere do we state that we are either :)
17:20:54peturblurfle: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_does_Rockbox_compare_to_i_Po
17:21:11GodEaterbut I don't see the point of stating what we're NOT - it'd be a very long list.
17:21:27blurflelinuxstb: a friend mentioned something along the lines of how he put linux on his ipod
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17:21:51GodEaterblurfle: iPodLinux is a completely different project from Rockbox
17:22:08blurflepetur: ah ha, that's the one! thanks!
17:22:37*petur admits he used google to find it :/
17:24:07ToxicityI DID IT FOR THE FUCKING LULZ
17:24:32peturToxicity: stop it please
17:24:45Toxicitywhat? you have something against lulz?
17:25:28saratogamore like something against being annoying
17:25:36Toxicityracist
17:26:33*dionoea doesn't see how saratoga's comment was racist
17:26:37bluebrotherblurfle: the front page clearly says that Rockbox is not based on linux ;-)
17:27:08bluebrother"Rockbox is a complete rewrite and uses no fragments of any original firmwares."
17:27:15Toxicityshe's racist against annoying people
17:27:40dionoeaah right ...
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17:30:35markunbluebrother: instead of 'rewrite' maybe 'firmware written from scratch' would be clearer
17:31:14linuxstbApart from all the bits which aren't...
17:31:20peturwell linux was also written from scratch ;)
17:31:22GodEaterhahahaha
17:31:22markunof course :)
17:31:23bluebrothermarkun: right, but I didn't wrote that line ;-)
17:32:06markunlinuxstb: well, better leave that line as is then :)
17:33:01GodEaterno, I think it should actually contain that statement
17:33:35bluebrotherhmm −− isn't that stuff used from IPL written from scratch too? It just was written by the IPL people ...
17:34:01peturno, based on uclinux iirc
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17:34:35bluebrotherthe hardware drivers are based on uClinux?
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17:35:20linuxstbI would say all the code we've taken from IPL has been code IPL people wrote from scratch. Mainly just functions which do things to the hardware.
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17:35:50peturbluebrother: I didn't read what you said correctly :/
17:35:55PaulJamok, i now checked with an official build on my h300 and there the filesystem corruption also happens when moving (cut=>paste) directorys
17:36:05scorchewell, any code written was eventually written from scratch...
17:36:06peturouch
17:36:18linuxstbPaulJam: Are you sure your filesystem was clean before you started?
17:36:47PaulJamlinuxstb: chkdsk didn't report any errors before
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17:37:47PaulJamlinuxstb: but now that i have made a backup before testing i could format the drive and try again.
17:38:11linuxstbThat could be helpful. AFAIK, no-one else has reported such problems.
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17:38:38GodEatereven if it is on an unsupported build ;)
17:41:35PaulJamlinuxstb: should i do a full format or is a quickformat sufficient.
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17:46:15linuxstbPaulJam: I'm not sure. I would expect a quickformat is ok
17:48:01PaulJamok
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17:57:46PaulJamlinuxstb: it happened with a fresh formatted drive too. i only copied the .rockbox folder and some testfiles on it. is there anything else i should try before i restore my music on the player?
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18:02:39linuxstbPaulJam: Fix the bug ;)
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18:03:06PaulJamhaha
18:03:24cropMay I ask an OT question? How does the IRC reader script work? The page is being updated but not scrolled.
18:04:04PaulJamcrop: there is an option to autoscroll at the top of the page
18:05:01cropPaulJam: no, I don't want it to be scrolled. I'm just interested in how it works at all. I.e. how's constant updating working
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18:07:51cropOr is the page dynamically grown by adding rows to the table via javascript?
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19:16:26threekiloscocaijuuhu
19:16:30threekiloscocaihi
19:16:46markunhi threekiloscocai
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19:17:09threekiloscocaihow are
19:17:11threekiloscocaiyou
19:17:23markunI'm ok
19:17:47threekiloscocaisomeone here is actually coding for rockbox? :)
19:18:06markunyou mean right now?
19:18:13threekiloscocaiyeah
19:18:19markunno, I'm not coding right now
19:18:46threekiloscocaiits realy funny
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19:19:01threekiloscocailong time ago for me that i tried thinks like that :)
19:19:38markunwhat kind of things did you do before?
19:20:03threekiloscocaicoding
19:20:04threekiloscocaic++
19:20:15threekiloscocaiin such a big project like rockbox
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19:20:36markunare you working on something for rockbox?
19:20:54threekiloscocainow?
19:21:02threekiloscocaiim trying to get albumart working
19:21:03threekiloscocaifor me
19:21:34markunI don't care so much for album art, but it would be a nice feature to have
19:22:11threekiloscocaiJEAH
19:22:12threekiloscocaiit WORKS
19:22:21threekiloscocaii think im not yet that good
19:22:25threekiloscocaineeded 40minutes
19:22:29threekiloscocaifor just 1 line
19:22:35threekiloscocaito find it
19:22:46threekiloscocaifound it was wrong
19:22:49markunit also took me a while to find my way in the code
19:22:57threekiloscocaiat least i changed it and now it works
19:23:08threekiloscocaibut i ask myself how it could have worked for the others
19:23:26bluebrotherhmm. New version of amarok does "introducing rockbox support for iPod". Does anyone know details about that?
19:24:05markunthreekiloscocai: rockbox changes all the time which breaks patches from time to time
19:26:24threekiloscocaithe problem was that a token for drawing the image (%Cl) was assigned to WPS_NO_TOKEN, but its beeing drawn only if recognized as WPS_TOKEN_ALBUMART_DISPLAY
19:26:36threekiloscocaithe patch is from the 22.07.07..
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19:27:19bluebrotherthat's in the future ;-)
19:27:35threekiloscocaiOMG
19:27:42threekiloscocaithat true
19:27:49threekiloscocaiand i wondered why it didnt work
19:28:08threekiloscocaisure i just will have to wait one month and itll work then
19:28:13bluebrotherhehe
19:28:26threekiloscocaihttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045
19:28:29threekiloscocailast entry
19:28:52markunlinuxstb_: should CodecPerformanceComparison be rewritten for your new test_codec plugin?
19:29:30bluebrotherhehe. Funny typo ;-)
19:30:00nlsmarkun: I'd say so
19:33:47PaulJamthreekiloscocai: btw, the %Cl tag is only for loading the albumart image. to actually display it the tag %C is used.
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19:41:38PaulJamhmm, is it normal that copying from the pc to the h300 is only half as fast than copying from the player to the pc?
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19:47:50threekiloscocaiPaul: So i need both tags?
19:49:56PaulJamyes, you should have a look at a wps that uses albumart to get an idea how it is used
19:50:41threekiloscocaiaaah
19:50:46threekiloscocaiall the work for nothing?!!!
19:50:59threekiloscocaii didnt find any working xD
19:56:28threekiloscocaiill build the sim and test the orginal patch
19:56:41threekiloscocaidoh, realy fell stupid now
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19:57:27NIHIL[1]anyone know how I can get album art to work when I play a song?
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19:57:36threekiloscocai:D
19:58:11threekiloscocaidid you applied the albumart patch and compile the source?
19:58:44NIHIL[1]where can I get the patch?
19:58:50The-CompilerHi there
19:59:34threekiloscocaihttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045
19:59:52NIHIL[1]thanks man
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20:00:05NIHIL[1]do I have to compile this?
20:01:59PaulJamif you don't want to compile yourself, you can look in the "unsupported builds" section in the forum for one that already includes this patch.
20:02:10NIHIL[1]ok
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20:05:24threekiloscocaii prefer the newest version :)
20:05:33threekiloscocaiof rockbox
20:05:38threekiloscocaiso ill build it on my own
20:05:52threekiloscocaiand it realy works, the orginal patch from future
20:06:12threekiloscocaididnt know i need %Cl AND %C, just tried both single...
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20:14:14momocstrying to apply the ipodpatcher via osx
20:14:28momocsbut it opens up in a text editor, what program should I run it with?
20:14:58momocsah figured it out dont worry
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20:48:10blippei've heard a rumour about a dap with rockbox installed as standard. Totally untrue?
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20:49:38momocsoh gawd how long does it take to get all the preview images for rockbox extra theme browser
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20:50:14AJShi , i have a problem i been trying to install rocbox but an error keeps showing
20:50:52AJSshows , rocbox loaded , but no button works , what can i do ?
20:51:36AJSi have tried to install the latest bootloader but it hangs
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20:58:41momocsdo any of the zip files work in OSX :S
20:58:46momocsthey extract nothing
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21:07:03momocsIm getting the error no partition found when trying to boot it
21:07:08momocswhat causes this
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21:08:29TTSboxhi, I am looking at sample plugins. Is there a plugin that reads a file.
21:08:30TTSbox?
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21:09:41TTSboxand I am using the simulator. other than arrow keys, spacebar and enter, is there any other key that works on the simulator?
21:10:36DomonokyTTSbox: all keys of the device are mapped, and there are alternatives to the num key on the keyboard..
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21:11:47TTSboxDomonoky: is there any documentation for the simulator on the web?
21:11:55Domonokyand there is a button for screenshot, i dont know if there are other special keys .. :-)
21:12:20Domonokyisnt there a consol output when you start the sim ?
21:12:27MrKeunerhi, do I still need the stupid ipod database on rockbox?
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21:12:42DomonokyMrKeuner: no,
21:13:02MrKeunerDomonoky: I can use it though as far as I can see, that's cool
21:13:19MrKeunerDomonoky: is there a certain folder to upload th efiles?
21:13:22Domonokyyou can use the normal filesystem, or the rockbox database.. so you can choose :-)
21:13:29MrKeunerDomonoky: and is ogg supported?
21:13:31Domonokyput the musik where you like..
21:13:50Domonokyyes, and flac and may others.. even c64 musc works :-)
21:14:13MrKeuner:) cool
21:14:15TTSboxDomonoky: the console output doesn't mention any key mappings only some things for debugging I guess
21:14:17Domonokyone of the only formats i know that dont work is wma..
21:14:38TTSboxlike "we open real file'archos/....."
21:14:47nlsTTSbox: try running the sim with the −−background swithc
21:14:50DomonokyTTSbox: then i dont know, sorry :-)
21:14:59TTSboxthanks nls
21:15:38TTSboxwow
21:15:50TTSboxthat is nice, that should be default :)
21:16:37Domonokysometime ago the background was default, i dont know why they changed it.. :-)
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22:04:16TTSboxnot all programs listed on SOURCES file in plugins directory appears in plugins after compiled
22:04:27TTSboxwhy is that?
22:04:39DomonokyTTSbox: some are viewers, and not plugins..
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22:08:43TTSboxhmm
22:08:51TTSboxviewer is one of them apparently
22:09:02TTSboxcan I open any text file with it
22:09:06TTSboxto view
22:09:13TTSboxhow do I run it?
22:09:17Domonokyto view what ?
22:09:46Domonokya viewer is a plugin which is launche when you click on a fitting file..
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22:10:14Domonokythis file dont need to be a text file, rockboy (gameboy emu) is a viewer as example..
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22:12:07TTSboxcan text_editor open a text file?
22:12:22markunof course
22:12:31TTSboxhow do I enter file name
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22:12:49TTSboxhow do I say open file?
22:12:54linuxstb_You don't - you select a file in the file browser and choose "open with"
22:13:01TTSboxhmm
22:13:10linuxstb_It's a "viewer" plugin.
22:13:11markunyou need to hold select for a longer time until you get a menu
22:13:45RhinoBangalo folks ... fyi changing id3.h and tagcache.h now means Rockbox can ready my id3 tags :)
22:14:34markunah, the lyrics?
22:14:42markunor didn't it read the id3 tags at all?
22:14:57RhinoBangait only read 300 bytes of the tag
22:15:04RhinoBangasome of my tags are 2k
22:16:13RhinoBangashould I just go ahead and submit the changes? Do they go to "pending for aproval" before acceptance to the mainline?
22:16:46DomonokyRhinoBanga: i dont think you have submitt rights..
22:16:57Domonokymake a patch, and post it in the tracker..
22:17:24Bagderand allow me to mention that it most likely won't be applied...
22:17:26Domonokyjust type "svn diff > coolpatch.patch"
22:17:54Bagderand I believe others have already mentioned this
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22:18:26RhinoBangaBagder: why not? The fix preserves the existing functionality, i.e. the id3 tag is 300 bytes and the tagcache goes from 512 byets to 600
22:18:28dotCOMmieAre any of the I2C developers here?
22:18:34Domonokyi though a patch to unify those two defines, (whithout changing the size) would be ok ?? ..
22:18:48RhinoBangaso did I
22:18:51dotCOMmieI think I found a bug in the coldfire I2C code
22:19:29Bagderok, then it might. I just think that almost any work in that area will be replaced/changed for the MoB work
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22:19:36RhinoBanga[15:32:17] <Llorean> Slasheri: Unifying the define, I'm fine with.
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22:19:54Bagderso it reads 2K tags with 300bytes buffer?
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22:20:13LloreanBagder: There are two changes, I assume.
22:20:22RhinoBangayes
22:20:28LloreanBagder: He's added the define so it's easy for someone rolling their own build to change the tag size.
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22:20:43LloreanRather than having to find separate values, one for the id3 struct, and one for tagcache.
22:20:46Bagderoh well that change is of course nothing to argue about
22:21:33RhinoBangasince I don't have commit rights does someone else watch to look over the patch and make the changes themselves?
22:22:32LloreanRhinoBanga: Just post the patch to the patch tracker.
22:22:37scorcheRhinoBanga: that is why you make a patch and submit it tot he tracker
22:23:04dotCOMmieAnyway, I have no relation to this project so I dont feel like filing a bug report. Does anyone on the project want to take care of it?
22:23:35LloreandotCOMmie: I don't understand. "I've found a bug, but I don't want to post it"?
22:23:35BagderdotCOMmie: filing a bug report is the best way to get the right person to see it
22:24:01RhinoBangaany instructions on how to do that ... looking over the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches page doesn't help me much
22:24:02Bagderwe're many people involved, most of us with particular areas of interest and skill
22:24:21dotCOMmieLlorean: I dont use rockbox, I was just reading code
22:24:50LloreanRhinoBanga: You can use "svn diff" to create the patch (make sure the only changes present in your source tree at the time are the ones you want in the patch, or limit it to specific files)
22:25:06LloreanThen just go to the patch tracker and post a new task, and upload it.
22:25:14RhinoBangak ... will do
22:25:15DomonokydotCOMmie: ah so its just a possible problem, not an acutal bug on the target ?
22:25:50dotCOMmieI dont know if it has any adverese effects.. anyway Its a one liner..
22:26:13dotCOMmiehttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/i2c-coldfire.c?revision=10272&view=markup&pathrev=10668
22:26:13Domonokyif its just on line, tell it here.. irc get logged :-)
22:26:22dotCOMmiein function i2c_read
22:26:32dotCOMmieiface[O_MBCR] &= ~TXAK;
22:27:03dotCOMmieshould not be set if count<=2
22:28:07dotCOMmieso it should be if(count>2) iface[O_MBCR] &= ~TXAK;
22:28:32dotCOMmieelse tranmissions of 1 byte will screw up bus
22:28:35dotCOMmiehave fun
22:29:02dotCOMmiePM me if anything
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22:32:28stridshow do you make rockbox on ipod in disc mode instead of restarting into charging mode when you plug in an usb cable?
22:32:35AJShi , where can i download firmware v3.0 us for an f40 gigabeat ?
22:32:39stridsI think you were supposed to press and hold something as you plugged the cable in?
22:33:14Lloreanstrids: Turn off the iPod, turn on the hold switch, plug in USB while Hold is on.
22:33:17BagderAJS: ask toshiba, we deal with rockbox and we have no 3.0
22:33:51AJSis it necesary v3.0 to install rockbox ?
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22:34:29stridsLlorean: for some reason that seems to load the original firmware
22:34:46Lloreanstrids: I thought that's what you wanted.
22:34:53LloreanYou said you wanted "disc mode"
22:34:58stridsoh, sorry, no
22:35:05stridsI just want to be able to play music while it charges over usb
22:35:14LloreanOh, just hold down Menu while plugging in the USB cable
22:35:30LloreanYou may have to hold it for quite some time after you plug it in, otherwise it may wait a bit, then restart anyway
22:36:22stridsah, that's it
22:36:24stridsthanks a lot
22:36:29LloreanAJS: No specific firmware version should be needed to install Rockbox.
22:36:42LloreanAt least, nobody has reported on a version it doesn't work with yet.
22:36:56AJSi have v2.02 and i can't install it
22:37:21AJSeach time i try with the new bootloader it hags
22:37:36LloreanWhere does it hang? Is there an error message?
22:37:50AJSno , error
22:38:11AJSbut when i try with the old bootloader v
22:38:44AJSdoes not work either, but i can get trough usb by safe mode
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22:39:01LloreanPlease answer my other question, where does it hang?
22:39:14LloreanAs well, try booting with the new bootloader while holding "Right" on the pad, and see what text comes up.
22:39:40AJSin the beging , in the gigabeat inicial screen
22:40:04AJSthen i have to do a swap
22:41:00AJSdoes it matter if the new bootloader is in jp , and the gigabeat version es in us ?
22:41:10LloreanThere is no japanese Rockbox bootloader.
22:42:45AJSwhen i open the bootloader from rockbox , the letters are in jp
22:42:54Llorean"Open"?
22:43:30AJS http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/
22:43:48LloreanThat doesn't answer my question.
22:44:04LloreanYou're supposed to download the more recent of the two files there.
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22:44:14AJSyes
22:44:23AJSthat's what i did
22:44:47AJSbut when you give it a click , you open de document and then you save it
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22:45:00LloreanNo, you click on it and choose save as.
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22:45:05LloreanOr right click, and choose save as.
22:45:15AJSthat's right
22:45:19LloreanYou should not "Open" it, and if your browser is doing so, it has strange settings.
22:45:37LloreanYou should never see the inside of that file, it's a binary file. You aren't seeing Japanese.
22:45:40AJSok, my mistake , you click save as ,
22:46:09LloreanWhen you tried the older bootloader, did it have an error message?
22:46:29AJSno , just a message , saying , rockbox loaded
22:46:43cropHi. I'm having a problem with the build r13696 on my H120. In the FM, preset mode, I press RIGHT to switch the station. The display changes but the new station is not tuned. Only after the second or the third press does it change.
22:46:57AJSbut you can not touch any button
22:46:58cropHas anybody experienced the same?
22:47:36LloreanAJS: I'd need to know the whole message, not just the last line.
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22:48:02AJSok , send it in a minute
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22:48:13LloreanCopy it to pastebin.ca, or a similar site.
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22:49:55cropIt can't be the defect button since the display changes and the new frequency is shown.
22:51:00jhMikeScrop: I'm trying it now and can't make it happen :\
22:51:02AJSok , thx
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22:51:31BagderjhMikeS: did you see the i2c_read() comment from some 25 minutes ago?
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22:51:55jhMikeSI saw something but that's for coldfire
22:52:25Domonokyh120 is coldfire.. and crop has a h120 ?
22:52:26Bagderyes, I just thought you might have a clue about it
22:52:27jhMikeSif you want me to look closer, can do
22:52:28cropjhMikeS: sometime it happens three or four times in a row. And then it switches, then works three or four times. After ~30 sec playing it happens again.
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22:53:02jhMikeSah! we're making a connection between the two :)
22:53:13Hilikushey guys
22:53:15Domonokyhehe, just spek#culating :-)
22:53:23Domonoky-k#
22:53:32Hilikusis there a way to change to a new directory, like when you cjange to a new song
22:53:53jhMikeSthe radio always writes 5+addr bytes
22:53:54Hilikusso that the random change directory chooses another directory (album)
22:54:02cropMy build is from Jun 24, so the recent I2c change shouldn't apply
22:54:20jhMikeSthe only thing I did was change the gigabeat
22:54:21linuxstb_Hilikus: You mean manually skip to the next folder?
22:54:46jhMikeScrop: region?
22:54:48pixelmaHilikus: maybe something like this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRandomFolderAdvanceConfig
22:54:50Domonokyjeah, its very unlikely that we read only one byte from i2s
22:55:07cropjhMikeS: Europe
22:56:04Hilikuspixelma im using that already, what i want is, a way to force a change in directory because sometimes that plugin you mentioned, jumps to an album that i heard an hour ago or so, because its random, so i need to force a new random directory selection
22:56:19cropjhMikeS: and one more thing: in the right head phone I hear low noise, in the same rhythm as music goes. I don't know if it's RB or the phone.
22:56:29Hilikuswhich now i do but changing songs until i go over the last song and the plugin works again choosing a new album randomly
22:56:44Hilikuslinuxstb_ yes, thats what i mean
22:56:54low_lightany WPS people care to test & comment on FS #7345?
22:57:05jhMikeSget off the phone :)
22:57:23cropjhMikeS: yes, I'll try another one
22:58:09Hilikusany ideas linuxstb_
22:58:11jhMikeShmmm...I still can't make it happen
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22:58:33cropBut it only happens if music is playing, not when someone just speaks.
22:58:52cropjhMikeS: I'll try the latest build
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23:00:13cropBut AFAIK no changes have been made recently to FM code
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23:00:51AJSllorean
23:01:13Bagderleft
23:01:15jhMikeSso the last byte is being acked when sending one byte and the last one shouldn't be acked (still green on i2c here)
23:02:22AJScan someone help me , i have posted an error message in pastebin.ca , name : GIGABEAT ERROR
23:02:24cropjhMikeS: aha! I now know how to reproduce it! Switch the DAP on, immediately go to the main menu (the HD is still spinning, I'm not sure why) and activate FM
23:02:48AJSit is an erro message every time i try to load rockbox
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23:03:20jhMikeSI'm on main menu by default
23:03:23cropNo sound! But if, after switching on, I wait until the HD stops spinning and then go to FM everything seems to be OK
23:03:59cropjhMikeS: sorry, I forgot. I'm in the file browser by default.
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23:05:16jhMikeSstill not getting it
23:05:40PaulJamHilikus: there is a buttoncombination to change to the next dir manually (at least on h300). try play+left or short press + long press on left.
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23:06:30mud-rbuh, what exactly is the last thing on the line in viewers.config?
23:06:47cropjhMikeS: I could reproduce it now 3 times out of four tries
23:06:48AJScan someone help , i have posted an error message in pastebin.ca , name :GIGABEAT ERROR
23:07:22AJSi can't load rockbox
23:07:30cropjhMikeS: I also don't quite understand why the disc is spinning so long after power on (about 10 sec)
23:08:24jhMikeScrop: maybe you should clear settings and see if it still happens?
23:08:36Hilikusthanks paul
23:09:42PaulJamHilikus: btw, when i wrote left i actually meant right. but i guess that doesn't matter when it is set to random.
23:09:50stripwaxmud-rb - mine says "colours,rocks/text_editor,11"
23:10:05 Quit Hilikus ()
23:10:08stripwaxit enables you to edit the .colours files, using the text editor
23:10:12mud-rbstripmax: yeah, what does the '11' part mean?
23:10:16mud-rbwax, sorry
23:10:17stripwaxthat's the icon
23:10:28mud-rboh i see, thanks...i guess - is no icon maybe?
23:10:31stripwaxsame as on all the other lines
23:10:33stripwaxyep
23:12:34cropjhMikeS: I've just reproduced it with the latest build. I'll try resetting settings now
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23:15:12stripwaxmud-rb - this wiki page shows the icons http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets
23:15:56mud-rbstripwax: oh thank you :)
23:16:18cropjhMikeS: after settings were cleared I couldn't get it. But after loading my old settings it's back. I have dir cache active. Is this the reason for the disc activity after power on?
23:16:58stripwaxmud-rb - actually, this page shows what the number and the ",rocks" or ",viewers" stuff means. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons
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23:17:41mud-rboh even better, haha thanks i was just looking for that
23:17:50jhMikeScrop: maybe. and entering the screen accesses the disk to load presets
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23:19:32cropjhMikeS: but when I switch the station the correct frequency is displayed. I think something doesn't get initialised properly. IIRC, after power on, some threads have to run to initialize the sound system
23:20:36cropOK, I'll live with it. Or maybe will put more energy into it and find out what setting is to blame. But I have to leave now. Thank you for taking time.
23:20:40jhMikeScrop: yes that's likely it
23:21:04jhMikeSI can make it do it if things haven't progress far enough before entering the screen.
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23:22:02cropjhMikeS: what can you? Could you reproduce it?
23:22:19jhMikeSyes
23:22:26jhMikeSwith dircache enabled
23:22:43cropjhMikeS: aha! So I'm not totally twisted!
23:23:23jhMikeSthe sound comes up as soon as dircache is done loading
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23:24:28cropBut if you activate FM while HD is spinning you get no sound in FM, right?
23:24:43jhMikeSright
23:25:05cropAnd even when switching stations (2 of 3 times)?
23:25:50jhMikeSit will stay silent until dircache it done loading. I ran through the entire band many times until hd light stopped then it finally came up.
23:26:32 Part low_light
23:26:49cropHm... For me, it still happens even after 5 min playing FM
23:26:56cropAh, now I really have to go. Bye!
23:27:00 Part crop
23:28:23AJShi , i have an erro when trying to install rockbox
23:28:52AJSi posted the error message in pastebin.ca under the name GIGABEAT ERROR
23:28:55amiconnjhMikeS: http://www.standardics.nxp.com/literature/books/i2c/pdf/i2c.bus.specification.pdf
23:30:01amiconn(pages 10..11)
23:30:22mud-rbajs: post a link? i'm lazy
23:30:28AJSok
23:30:46AJShttp://www.pastebin.ca/590901
23:32:15mud-rbso it just freezes after ROCKBOX LOADED ?
23:32:20AJSyes
23:32:54mud-rbhmm, i'm not sure. i guess just try the install again and make sure you're following the instructions to the letter
23:33:06AJSi read somewhere the firmware v may be the problem
23:33:33AJSi have tried to install it several times
23:33:45AJSwith the same results
23:34:05mud-rbi see, sorry then i guess someone who knows gigabeat will have to help if there's nothing in the forums or something
23:34:26AJSno , whel thanks anyway
23:41:12 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
23:41:33jhMikeSwould think the suggested solution is incorrect for a master receiver then. for count == 2 it should read a byte, ack, read the last and not ack.
23:43:48amiconnIiuc a master receiver _always_ acknowledges
23:44:08amiconnA slave receiver would nack the last byte to stop the master
23:44:16amiconnAs mentioned, _iiuc_
23:45:00jhMikeSread section 7.2, last para on p 10
23:45:38jhMikeSnot acking tells the slave transmitter the master receiver is done
23:45:47amiconnAh yes
23:47:56jhMikeSslave receiver acks every byte
23:48:32amiconnA slave receiver can also nack, even its address
23:49:32amiconnBut these nacks would be error conditions
23:54:04jhMikeSI suppose the corrent fix is: if (count <= 1), not if (count <= 2)
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23:58:12apcfreakHey all. Does anyone know what size of album art that works with the DockPodAA theme?

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