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#rockbox log for 2007-06-29

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00:11:20webguest47help how come the fonts will not down load?
00:11:36webguest47or more correctly will not uncompress
00:12:20webguest47or even more correctly give an error that they are invalid or corrupt
00:12:44markunwebguest47: I'll check
00:13:07webguest47thank you for understanding what Im talking about
00:13:41markunI'm not 100% sure because you keep changing your story :)
00:13:46bluebrotherworks fine here
00:14:05markunyeah, I can find nothing wrong with it
00:14:07peturhere too
00:14:22petur(all ok I mean)
00:14:24bluebrotherare you sure your download worked correctly?
00:14:31webguest47no
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00:14:35bluebrotheror your zip tool is working correctly?
00:14:50bluebrotherwell, have you already tried re-downloading the archive?
00:15:02webguest47it unziped the .rockbox file and installed it on the ipod
00:15:25bluebrotherthere is no .rockbox file. Do you mean the distributed archive rockbox.zip?
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00:15:44markunwebguest47: you must unzip rockbox-fonts.zip directly to your ipod
00:16:06bluebrothermay I suggest just trying RockboxUtility?
00:16:10SnookieHey, i need some help with an iPod, 30gb. I cant find it on my computer, in disk management..
00:16:15webguest47Well it looks like.rockbox file when it down loads but I guss the correct file is archive rockbox.zip
00:16:26webguest47what is the rockboxUtility
00:16:26bluebrotherSnookie: does ipodpatcher find the ipod itself?
00:16:34Snookiebluebrother: nope =/
00:16:49webguest47I have not got to the ipodpatcher stage yet
00:16:57bluebrotheryou have administrative permissions?
00:17:05SnookieI can't synch my ipod either.. Since, all it sez is that it cand be found.
00:17:07SnookieYes, i do.
00:17:23bluebrotherwebguest47: try this installer: domonoky/rbutil-v0.3.2.5.zip">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil-v0.3.2.5.zip
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00:17:39bluebrotherSnookie: have you tried emergency disk mode?
00:17:53Snookiebluebrother: No, I read something about it, but i cant find it.
00:17:56webguest47<bluebrother> thank you I will give it a try
00:18:03Snookie(Where in the text i read about it =))
00:18:23bluebrotherSnookie: reset the Ipod by holding Menu + Select for a couple of seconds. Once the Ipod restarts press Play + Select.
00:18:41bluebrotherthis enters emergency disk mode. To leave that mode you need to reset the Ipod again.
00:18:48webguest47just to be sure I have a video Ipod
00:19:08SnookieOkay, now it has started, and it sez "Disk mode" at the top, I'm right where im supposed to be now? =)
00:19:31bluebrotherwell, afaik that screen is b/w on color devices
00:19:42SnookieNope, it just dissapears, it appeared as "Removable Disk", but then i clicked it and it was gone.
00:19:58bluebrotherdo you have Itunes installed?
00:20:03SnookieYes
00:20:06webguest47yes
00:20:16*petur wonders why git will not build and is greeted by a lack of info on the git website
00:20:27bluebrotherhave you enalbled "disk access" (or whatever it's called) in Itunes?
00:20:36SnookieI've tried to (enable disk use) but i get an error from iTunes, that it cant be synched.
00:21:06bluebrotherhmm. You might want to try to shutdown all Itunes related tasks using the task manager ...
00:21:21SnookieBut it starts when i plug my iPod in.
00:22:00bluebrotherafaik there is a service that handles this, so you should be able killing it
00:22:05Nico_Ppetur: build error ?
00:22:07preglowand i'm out. gnight, people
00:22:17Nico_Pwhy aren't you using a package ?
00:22:51peturwhich one to take for ubuntu?
00:23:20*bluebrother wonders if apt wouldn't find the best one automatically
00:24:00Nico_Ppetur: I installed those from the git site
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00:24:06Nico_Pthe ubuntu ones are a bit old
00:24:17Nico_Phttp://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/g/git-core/
00:24:27peturapt-get gives me 4.3
00:24:41SnookieYay, awsome bluebrother, cheers. I got it to work, can now find it! :D
00:25:37bluebrother4.3? I have git 1.5 :p
00:26:15peturbluebrother: Get:1 http://be.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe git 4.3.20-10 [262kB]
00:26:32jzillaLooking for some claifcation on the faq. Pretty simple question, but I'd like to be sure before I do anything. Just installed Rockbox and was wondering how I put music onto it. Just create a dir and drop songs into and its subfolders however?
00:26:34webguest47<bluebrother> well that was much eaiser thank you. Do you have a location for operating instructions?
00:26:42markunfreebsd gave me 1.5.2
00:26:57Snookiejzilla: Yes, just create for example a folder called music, then put your music in it.
00:26:58bluebrotherwebguest47: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
00:27:11Snookiejzilla: Then you can browse the music in your rockbox GUI
00:27:11webguest47thank you VERRRY much
00:27:15jzillaSnookie: thanks, simple enough.
00:27:17bluebrother(follow the white errr ... "manual"-labelled link on the website's menu)
00:27:24Snookiejzilla: Yup, no problems.
00:27:35peturfor ubuntu, do I get debian unstable or testing?
00:28:08webguest47im old and slow but I got that, thank you
00:28:15markunbluebrother: too much Lewis Carroll? ;)
00:28:18bluebrotherubuntu seems to have strange version numbers ... upstream tarball is 1.5.2 ...
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00:29:04peturapt-get git-core gives 1.4.4
00:29:43bluebrotherah, so git being some meta-package? Anyway, I don't like ubuntu :p
00:30:05petursomething some devs still must learn: u s e r f r i e n d l y n e ss
00:30:29bluebrotherpetur: is that the reason why ubuntu changed the default shell to dash? *g*
00:30:42SnookieThanks for the help everyone ;D
00:30:44peturwell ubuntiu works for me
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00:31:47peturso, which git binary shall I install?
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00:32:20Nico_Ppetur the "stable" debs worked for me on ubuntu
00:32:43peturthnx
00:32:45Nico_Pthe "testing" ones seem to me old
00:32:51Nico_Ps/me/be
00:33:16Nico_Ppetur: take git-svn too
00:33:35Nico_Pand git-gui and gitk
00:34:08*bluebrother wonders if a git mirror like videolan will happen some time in the future
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00:35:42SnookieCrap, i've got problems again.. It's still not syncing =/
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00:37:20DerPapstblubb?
00:37:27Nico_Pbluebrother: earlier today I asked Bagder about hosting git repos, he seemed to like the idea
00:37:28bluebrotherblabb:)
00:37:35Nico_Pmaybe it will happen quite soon
00:37:37SnookieAnyone know what my problem could be?
00:37:42DerPapstah ok. wasn't sure though :P
00:37:48bluebrotherNico_P: as a mirror? I.e. the main system will still be svn?
00:38:13bluebrotherwould be kinda nice for getting a bit knowledge of git ;-)
00:38:32Nico_Pwe didn' discuss it in detail but I was thinking of having a mirror of ths SVN repo and hosting dev repos
00:39:20bluebrothernice. I'm still not convinced that a move to git would be beneficial, but a mirror could help playing with it ;-)
00:39:46bluebrotherfor some reason git-svn wants me to checkout git-svn all time instead of master
00:40:00bluebrotherwith master being the state when I initially ran git-svn :o
00:41:14Nico_PI use git svn rebase to update
00:41:52Nico_Pyou'd probably rebase the master and then pull from the master to update your local branches
00:43:50bluebrotherhmm. I guess I'll look into that later. Got late here ...
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01:25:04webguest43Hi again. Ok I have everything working.. Now I want to load my music in in folder form. I looked at the faq and read the manual but I did not see where to put the files. Any thoughts on this
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01:25:24Nico_Pwebguest43: you put the files where you want on your DAP
01:25:38webguest43DAP?
01:25:47Nico_P= digital audio playter
01:25:50Nico_Pplayer*
01:26:45webguest43Hmm that didnt work for me. I copied the file folder over containing the audio files .wav and the DAP did not see them. Even when I did a database search
01:27:43webguest43did i mention this is an IPOD
01:27:54scorchewebguest43: what format are the files?
01:28:13webguest43.wav
01:28:30Nico_Pand you don't see the files in the brwoser ?
01:28:44webguest43on the dap
01:28:47scorchewhat is your view mode set to?
01:29:01webguest43view mode?
01:29:05webguest43ok back to the manual
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01:30:16webguest43ok show files all just gives me a blank screen
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01:31:32OlafGHey
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01:33:29OlafGWhere is the FAQ?
01:33:50Nico_POlafG: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFAQ
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01:35:30OlafGCan I like try Rockbox and see if I like it, and if I dont like it just switch back to my ipod-firmware with all my music and stuff on it?
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01:35:38Nico_Pyes
01:35:55OlafGSure? Dont have to delete anything on my iPod?
01:36:17webguest43o I get it Jeez even in your silence you guys are so cool. Thank you that was so obvious I just missed it. Is there a way to get the DAP to play from file to file with out making a play list?
01:36:38Nico_POlafG: I'm pretty sure you don't have to delete anything
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01:37:33OlafGWhats teh differnce between the Sim, Boot and regular versions?
01:37:44Nico_Pwebguest43: what was the problem ? to do what you asked, just select the first track you want to play and the ones that follow it in the dir will be played next
01:38:21SoapOne builds the Simulator, one builds the bootloader, One builds the Normal builds, one builds Developer builds with logging enabled... OlafG
01:38:26Nico_POlafG: you'll want regular. sim is a simulator running on a computer and boot is the bootloader, which you only install once
01:38:54OlafGOkey, how do I do it if just want to test?
01:39:24SoapNormal is all you need unless you know you need one of the others.
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01:40:09OlafGBut I dont want to delete anything on my ipod
01:40:19webguest43THe problem was when I went to file view I just didnt get that I was looking at and didnt see the file I had copied over. Thank you. is there a way to book mark in the file mode?
01:40:29Nico_POlafG: read the manual to find out about the installation procedure : http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
01:40:56Nico_Peven if you only want to test you have to install rockbox, and you won't have to delete anything
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01:41:27OlafGIt does work on a mac, right?
01:42:04Soapif we are talking about iPods, your iPod needs to be formatted FAT32, not HFS+, otherwise Mac users should have no particular issue.
01:42:34OlafGGah, I dont want to re-format my iPod
01:43:01mud-rbit's not really that hard if you have space to backup your current files
01:45:27OlafGHmm, I am to tired to do it tonight, thats for sure
01:45:28*stripwax is amazed people really use HFS
01:45:43mud-rbi threw my sgfbox (Go game recorder/viewer) plugin on the tracker if anyone wants to check it out, it's very very very rough though and probably only usable on e200: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7369
01:45:45OlafGHFS is better than FAT....
01:45:59mud-rbanything is better than FAT, but FAT is really easy
01:46:11stripwaxexactlty
01:46:13OlafGThats true
01:46:13scorcheFAT is supported everywhere
01:46:25mud-rbHFS from what i understand is not all that great, and almost nobody uses it
01:46:40scorchewell, mac users do because they dont know any better
01:46:44OlafGBut I dont see HFS a problem if you work with macs and dont have to involve your self with windows-shit
01:47:01OlafGI also like ZFS...
01:47:26OlafGBut, FAT, bleh
01:47:28mud-rbZFS does sound interesting, but something tells me rockbox isn't going to support it </sarcasm>
01:47:31stripwaxdoes linux support hfs? assume it does, but ..
01:47:45OlafGI think so
01:47:53mud-rbi know there's code in there for it, i have no idea how well it works
01:48:27OlafGI have a PC that I would like to use Linux on, but I need my Creative Suite...
01:48:40mud-rbwhat's that? sound editing or something?
01:48:42stripwaxyou use Creative Suite and mac?
01:49:13webguest43Thank you again for all your help. I have to go read the manual some more
01:49:27OlafGStripwax: yes
01:49:27scorchemud-rb: adobe
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01:49:30stripwaxneato
01:49:33webguest43\bye
01:49:51OlafGI have windows computer too, does some rendering on it
01:49:57stripwaxso run linux and wine and pc creative suite? :)
01:50:24OlafGDoes it work?
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01:50:59OlafGGah, seriosly, I need to go to bed now
01:51:37scorchethen go to bed...this is off-topic anyway
01:51:53*OlafG is sleeping with the fishes..... what.... nooo, that came out wrong
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01:54:29SoapFAT is #1 if your goal is compatibility. A DAP has no higher goal, and FAT is more than good enough for everything else a DAP needs out of a filesystem. Complaining about FAT on your iPod is like driving a Hummer to the grocery store. Sure the Hummer can carry more stuff faster than your Civic, but do you need that to grocery shop? No.
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01:56:03DerPapstYES!!1
01:56:20*DerPapst doesn'T even know what a grocery shop is
01:56:34*DerPapst looks it up :P
01:56:43mud-rberr
01:56:57DerPapstnow i know
01:57:05DerPapst:)
01:57:57Soapand knowing is half the battle
01:58:00DerPapstthe familly of a frind of mine would use 2 hummers if they could :P
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02:14:30scorcheDerPapst: but gas isnt cheap...
02:15:44DerPapstyeah.. true. but maybe one can build a hummer that is powerd with solar energie *lol*
02:16:33Soapleave my analogy alone!
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02:17:57DerPapstone on-topic question (i know on-topic sucks :P) anyone familiar with pluginlib_actions.h/c ?
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02:20:12DerPapstif there is a plugin that uses this pluginlib_actions thing and i absolutely diskile the control scheme.. may i make my one defines in the code of the plugin (undef everything that has to do wiht pluginlib_actions.h) or am i supposed to fidlle arround with pluginlib_actions.h and optimise that (if even possible)?
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02:23:39DerPapsti mean i would levae the button defines alone for all other players (still using pluginlib_actions). but only if e.g. the the ipod keypad is defined i would go aways from pluginlib_actions and make my onw scheme which is defined in the plugin. all the other palyers still use the buttons as they are defined in pluginlib_actions.h.
02:24:17DerPapstwould a patch of this kind even accepted?
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02:41:27*DerPapst guesses that this is a "what are you talking about" :P
02:41:37DerPapstor maybe it's too late
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02:54:23DerPapstgood night everyone
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02:55:24mud-rbis there a description of the different drawmodes somewhere?
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03:00:05midkaymud-rb: GraphicsAPI wiki page i believe..
03:00:16midkayyes, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI
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03:01:03mud-rboh thanks, i knew i saw it somewhere but i couldn't find it
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03:07:35mud-rbokay so i've never even seen an ipod with rockbox on it. can you do the 4 directional buttons and scroll easily without those all getting mixed up? trying to pick good buttons for my plugin
03:08:42jurrieworks OK on a Sansa, nt sure about an iPod
03:09:32mud-rbyeah, it looks like all of the archos the screen is too small, and the nanos and probably the mini
03:09:58mud-rbwell i guess if people want to look at it tiny it'll be fine on the nano, at least is has some resolution...
03:10:39mud-rbgah this is going to get hairy, i have no idea how the buttons work on any of these, and the simulator doesn't seem very useful in finding good buttons
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03:17:45mud-rbhmm, if someone sees this, has any of the players with a medium size screen or bigger and wouldn't mind helping me with buttons, send me a message :)
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03:51:58jurrieI noticed today that disktidy.rock doesn't remove .Trash file from the microSD card in my Sansa. I do see it scanning the file system on the card... guess it's just not looking for that file anywhere other than /
03:58:33mud-rbhmm, yeah if i understand the code it's just not looking there
03:58:50mud-rbwhere does the microSD end up in the file system? i don't have one to try
03:59:38jurriedepends on the card... but when I go to Files, it's like: <microSD1> (or similar>, where I believe the 1 corresponds to the partition number
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04:00:16mud-rboh, hmm. oh the SD stuff is still a patch right, or did it make it into svn? probably doesn't make sense to fix that until it's actually in
04:00:54jurriestill a patch
04:01:15jurriemy memory was right, it's "<microSD1>"
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04:02:14jurriewell, with the Sansa database issue, I ended up installing cpchan's build and he's got it in there. Sounds like the LCD fade out is to blame (or at least it exposes the issue)
04:02:30mud-rboh really? that's interesting
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04:03:03mud-rbi think the only problems on my sansa are the LCD bug on the top of the screen that probably isn't going to be fixed anytime soon and some random database weirdness
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05:16:11mud-rbokay someone who has an ipod i need some button help: are there enough buttons somehow to do up, down,left, right scroll in two directions and a menu? otherwise i need some ideas...
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05:30:37zirodayis there a way to make rockbox act more like a original ipod?
05:30:55mud-rbin what way?
05:31:00mud-rbbut the answer is probably no
05:31:36zirodaylike menu goes back one step, etc
05:31:58zirodayand i use the click wheel in search instead of ff rv
05:33:32ziroday??
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05:34:46aliaskziroday: Menu stuff, no. But what do you mean about the click wheel?
05:35:26zirodayi mean like navigating through menus i want to use soley the menu and the click wheel?
05:35:41zirodaycan you configure it like that
05:36:02aliaskNo.
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05:36:39mud-rbif it's just a remapping of the keys you can if you don't mind messing around with the source code (is there a config file to remap keys?)
05:37:05mud-rbbut even then, you're going to run into problems with like plugins that assume certain key configurations
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06:04:48zirodaycan i choose between rockbox and apple firmware?
06:04:48mud-rbyes, read the manual
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06:07:07mud-rbsorry, can someone tell me what the defines are for the "colors" in 2 bit displays? i can't see to find them
06:10:22mud-rboh, there they are
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06:14:13aliaskmud-rb: Take a look at the GraphicsAPI wiki page, it has that info and a bunch of other useful stuff on it
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06:15:00mud-rbaliask: that particular information isn't there
06:15:14aliaskOh wow, you're right...
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06:15:41mud-rbyeah, it's in lcd.h but i was missing it, haha...i'm blind sometimes
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08:23:37LinuxUserive done something really stupid by changing text color to white on a white backdrop, is there anything i can do?
08:28:14alienbiker99haha, you could try hooking up to usb and deleting the .cfg
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08:28:51LinuxUseralienbiker99: tried that already
08:29:02alienbiker99what player
08:29:03*LinuxUser is feeling really really stupid
08:29:25alienbiker99you could just reinstall the .rockbox folder
08:29:44alienbiker99delete it and put a new one on
08:29:51LinuxUseralienbiker99: yeah i think im goin to have to
08:29:54webguest19LinuxUser: delete or edit the file .rockbox/config.cfg
08:30:05LinuxUserill try
08:30:40LinuxUserwebguest19: THANK YOU
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08:30:55LinuxUserwebguest19: this was the file i was loking for thank you so much
08:32:09webguest19LinuxUser: if something like that happens again and you dont have access to a pc, there is for most players a button you can press during startup to delete the config.
08:32:26LinuxUseripod nano?
08:32:46webguest19on ipods it is the hold switch
08:33:19LinuxUserwebguest19: thank you so much
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08:45:09scorcheLinuxUser: to make things a bit clearer, if you switch the hold switch on after the apple logo has disappeared from the screen, but before rockbox boots, it will clear your settings back to the default
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08:58:10RoC_MasterMindunfortunately, for those who like to use the hold switch to keep it powered off
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08:58:35RoC_MasterMindwhen you plug it in via USB, it boots into disk mode...then when you unplug it goes to rockbox, and isnce the hold switch is still engaged, you lose your settings.
08:58:51RoC_MasterMindI've had this happen ten thousand times.
08:59:01RoC_MasterMindI've learned to save my configs.
08:59:58scorcheRoC_MasterMind: you have an old version of the bootloader then...you should boot into the apple firmware if you start it with the hold switch on
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09:00:22amiconnBoth is bad behaviour imo
09:00:44amiconnI'd rather put (back) booting into apple and settings reset to a button
09:01:10RoC_MasterMindI see.
09:01:15RoC_MasterMindMaybe I should update my bootloader
09:01:26RoC_MasterMindIt's from Feb 2006
09:01:45scorcheyou should
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09:02:07RoC_MasterMindthanks
09:02:24RoC_MasterMindoh
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09:03:14RoC_MasterMindis there data loss risk?
09:05:04scorchefrom updating the bootloader?
09:05:19scorcheprovided you do it right, of course not
09:05:35scorcheand for you to do it wrong, you have to try to do it wrong, really
09:05:44RoC_MasterMindThis is cool....the builds page is one thousand times more complicated
09:05:50RoC_MasterMindwhy are there two build-charts
09:06:03RoC_MasterMindOh I see.
09:06:10RoC_MasterMindThis is awful.
09:06:14scorchewhat is?
09:06:49RoC_MasterMindOK, usually I grabbed the bootloader from the ipod 4g install instructions...where is it now?
09:06:57scorcheread the manual
09:07:55RoC_MasterMindOK, but that's the wrong response. It should either be on the download page or in the zip.
09:08:23scorcheit would be the wrong response if it was wrong..
09:09:09B4gderyes, reading the manual must be wrong...
09:09:29B4gder</sarcasm>
09:09:30RoC_MasterMindIt's not intuitive.
09:09:38scorchehow is it not intuitive?
09:09:39RoC_MasterMindBut thanks...I found the section.
09:09:40B4gderto read the manual to learn how to do things?
09:10:00RoC_MasterMindYou would think you would have all you need from the software .zip.
09:10:08B4gderwe don't think so
09:10:10scorchethe download page is for downloading things....the manual is for learning how to do things...i dont see the error in logic there
09:10:24RoC_MasterMindI know that's not true, but the install instructions has disappeared, or at least the ipod-4g port link has been pushed off hte homepage.
09:10:45scorchethey havent disappeared...i just told you they are in the manual
09:11:11RoC_MasterMindThings are different than they used to be, I am just griping.
09:11:28davinawhats a manual? ;)
09:12:24scorcheRoC_MasterMind: should we never change things?
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09:16:09RoC_MasterMinddo I need to be in my home directory to run this ipodpatcher?
09:16:17RoC_MasterMindForget what I said.
09:16:19RoC_MasterMindThis is cool that it could scan my disk drives for my ipod
09:16:22RoC_MasterMindThat's smart.
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09:30:33RoC_MasterMindMuch improved.
09:30:43RoC_MasterMindRockbox is impressive yet again.
09:31:17RoC_MasterMindI like the boot into apple for hold switch....it has the side-effeect that I don't lose my settings.
09:31:41RoC_MasterMindI also am impressed the apple OS isn't flipped anymore...I'm sure that makes people happy.
09:31:48B4gderhttp://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2007-06/0780.shtml
09:31:58B4gder"Unfortunately, Torvalds
09:31:58B4gderalso indulged in a childish presentation style that distracted from
09:31:58B4gderhis useful technical criticisms of Subversion."
09:32:14B4gder:-)
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09:48:28B4gderthe least commonly downloaded rockbox zip from build.rockbox.org is...
09:48:35B4gderondio sp
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10:06:12dionoeahello
10:06:31markunhi dionoea
10:14:35mud-rbuh, does someone have an h300? the buttons are really confusing
10:14:50mud-rbwhat are the define names for the play/pause and the stop button?
10:16:11GodEateris xscale an arm architecture ?
10:16:35B4gderyes
10:16:39GodEaterthanks
10:16:45B4gderxscale is basically strongarm++
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10:17:08GodEaterrockbox for ipaq :)
10:17:13mud-rbxscale is intel's dealie, right?
10:17:17B4gderyes
10:18:02B4gderbut some of it sold to Marvell
10:18:14mud-rboh, i see
10:19:36mud-rbgah...what are the on off buttons on h300 too, if anyone comes on that has one? i don't even see anything in the simulator that could be an on or off button...
10:23:13pixelmai think that's called "stop" there...
10:23:42mud-rboh, on/off are the [] and the play/pause looking thing on the h300?
10:23:58pixelmahttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-190003.1.1
10:24:26mud-rboh hey, that's handy, thanks. i forgot that page existed
10:24:48pixelmato be found in each player's manual...
10:25:37OlafGIs there anyplace where I can see screenshots of rockbox?
10:25:51B4gderOlafG: the manuals feature screenshots
10:26:04B4gderso does the wps pages
10:27:07OlafGEh, I didnt like that UI
10:27:20mud-rbkeep in mind it's very configurable, if you're trying to decide if you want to install it or something. i think a lot of the screenshots are of the default theme/font which isn't great
10:27:33mud-rb++
10:27:37mud-rb..sorry
10:28:03OlafGI can still watch video on it, right?
10:28:40mud-rbhaven't tried it myself but i gather that there is some sort of video support
10:28:43GodEatervideo watching is not recommended in Rockbox on the iPod Video
10:28:50GodEaterit's a bit slow...
10:29:15OlafGAh, is it possible do use Dualboot?
10:29:58GodEaterOlafG: very possible
10:30:19GodEateryou simply flick the hold switch to "on" as soon as you've powered up
10:30:32OlafGhttp://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/320x240x16/Flow_b.png
10:30:39OlafGReal Coverflow or just fake?
10:30:51GodEaterfake
10:31:14mud-rboo, that's pretty
10:31:18OlafGOkey, and what about coverart from itunes?
10:31:27GodEaternot supported
10:31:41GodEaterwe have unofficial builds which allow the use of coverart, but not from the iTunesDB
10:32:01GodEateruse of an unofficial build means you get no support here though - only from the person whose build you end up using
10:32:21OlafGI found a script to embed artwork to my songs. Will it work then?
10:32:26GodEaterOfficial support for Album art is one of the Google Summer of Code projects we have going at the moment
10:32:43GodEaterOlafG: No - embedded artwork doesn't work at all
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10:33:07GodEateras far as I understand it (I don't use it myself), it requires a seperate picture for each folder on your iPod
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10:33:20GodEaterI think there's a wiki page somewhere with the details
10:33:43GodEaterOlafG: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
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10:39:48mud-rbwhat does "Incompatible model" mean on trying to load a plugin?
10:40:11mud-rbdoes the ipod mini have a more stringent memory restriction maybe?
10:40:30scorcheit means that you didnt update rockbox properly
10:40:37austriancoderpetur: ping
10:40:43scorcheextract the entire zip
10:41:08mud-rbhmm, i see...it's on the simulator, maybe my build failed in some weird way
10:41:10scorcheaustriancoder: we were worried =)
10:41:48scorchemud-rb: to fill out the text a bit, it means incompatible version between teh plugin and the plugin api
10:42:08mud-rboh i see, i thought the message for that was different somehow, thanks
10:42:42austriancoderscorche: I have one problem.. if I hang in an irc I have no time to code as I want to be uptodate whats going on in irc
10:43:41LinusNaustriancoder: ah, sorry, we forgot that you are a guy, and can only do one thing at a time :-)
10:43:53mud-rbhaha, ow
10:44:29pixelmamud-rb: incompatible model is for example a plugin that was build for a simulator while trying to run it on target or vice versa IIRC (different to incompatible version scorche)
10:44:59mud-rbpixelma: yeah thanks...i think i forgot to do make install in the sim, so i was using a plugin built for h300 or something...woops
10:46:25scorchepixelma: ah.....i saw "plugin" and "incompatible" and read it as version....perhaps i ahve answered that question a few too many times...
10:47:29scorchemud-rb: sorry =/
10:47:40mud-rboh no problem, i'm embarassed i did something that dumb :)
10:48:16mud-rbhaha, yay the ipods and the hxx all seem to work w/ my plugin...as long as you don't mind the screen being wicked tiny for some of them
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10:49:51Zagoramiconn: your amd64 patch for gcc 3.4.6 says "don't use it". what do you mean with that?
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10:51:55peturaustriancoder: pong
10:52:42austriancoderpetur: have you looked at my patches?
10:53:02petura bit, got a new one?
10:53:33peturah yes I see
10:54:10austriancoderI want to commit small stuff... for instance I want to start with linkedlist and basic usb_ch9 includes
10:54:36petursounds good
10:55:04peturdo you know on what targets the code will work?
10:55:41austriancoderon all arcotg based targets
10:56:21peturare you going to define a specific define for it for the target.h files?
10:57:43austriancoderI think we will need one yes.. at the moment i do my development with an logf build and I check what happens when usb is connected.
10:59:19peturI see you didn't put the code in the target tree, which is good because we can extend it to support other chips in the future
10:59:44peturexcept for the pp code of course
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11:01:18peturit's becoming quite a big patch... how's it working now?
11:01:50austriancoderthats why I want to split it
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11:03:09austriancoderat the moment I am improving the reciving of packets... the code does handle most standard requests and all other requests will be forwared to gadget drivers...
11:03:53*dionoea can't wait to try native usb support in rockbox
11:04:38austriancoderpetur: tomorrow I will start porting the first gadget driver (file storage or serial...)
11:05:15peturnice, that's the really interesting stuff :)
11:06:07peturI'd go for storage immediatly, the interface isn't really that more complicated
11:06:26austriancoderpetur: serial debuging would be also fine :)
11:06:33peturyes
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11:08:06mud-rblike gdb debugging over serial you mean?
11:08:36austriancoderjup
11:08:45mud-rbwow, that would be cool
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11:08:50amiconnZagor: Huh? Where does it say that?
11:09:13Zagoramiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/CrossCompiler?rev=1;filename=gcc-3.4.6-amd64-subst.patch
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11:10:32ShineHey all
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11:11:23Shinei have sandisk e280. why cant i custom view database?
11:11:52amiconnZagor: Oh, that one. Actually this isn't my patch, it's just me who added it to the wiki. In spite of this warning, it's working fine
11:12:19amiconnThere is a better patch in the tracker (a backport of the proper fix in gcc svn), but I still didn't try it
11:12:57Zagorok
11:13:25ZagorI just set up a new amd64 box that will start building soon.
11:14:48amiconnThe patch to test would be fs #6564
11:15:17Zagoryes, looking at it now
11:15:49Zagorcute fix
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11:21:34peturaustriancoder: I'm curious if you were afk for a week or just decided to shield yourself from everything to concentrate on hacking ;)
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11:22:44ShineCany anyone help me?
11:23:34mud-rbwhat do you mean by custom view database?
11:26:10mud-rbugh...are the volume plus and minux buttons not mapped in the gigabeat simulator?
11:26:14mud-rbminus*
11:26:23markunShine: I guess you are talking about this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase#tagnavi_config_v2_0_Syntax
11:26:31ShineSEC
11:27:01markunmud-rb: they should be. You can run the sim with −−background to see the keys
11:27:30mud-rbyeah..i don't see any keys on them, and the obvious + and - aren't it
11:27:33ShineThe custom view is so i cant browse music folders in sansa right?
11:27:37Shineso i cant
11:28:05markunShine: I still don't understand your question
11:28:16mud-rbugh...well i might have to take it on faith that vol + and - are going to work, that shouldn't be a big deal, haha
11:28:38markunmud-rb: what exactly is the problem with the buttons?
11:29:00ShineDo u know the custom view option?
11:29:00markunare you working on the Go plugin?
11:29:08markunShine: no, never played with it
11:29:48mud-rbmarkun: yeah, i'm trying to set up buttons for all of the players and make sure they work at least in the simulator. the gigabeat i just don't see what the + and - are mapped to in terms of real work keyboard...there's no big red letters in the −−background
11:29:53scorcheShine: are you referring to the viewmode?
11:30:08mud-rbs/real work/real world/
11:30:24markunmud-rb: maybe someone removed the letter. They were there when I made the background
11:30:28Shinehmm its the last option in "database" "Custom view.."
11:30:50mud-rbmarkun: hmm...that's weird, well i'm 99% sure it'll work fine anyways, it shouldn't be a big deal i guess...just confusing
11:31:47markunmud-rb: I have the red letters
11:31:57mud-rbmarkun: on the volume up and down?
11:32:06markunah, no :)
11:32:09markunoops
11:32:10mud-rbhehe :(
11:32:28Shine?
11:33:57markunShine: my guess is that "Custom view..." uses tagnavi_custom.config
11:34:10markunwhat are you trying to do anyway?
11:34:11pixelmathe custom view is what you specify in your tagnavi_custom.config (read the link that was given above)
11:35:04markunShine: if you want to browse folders go to "Files" and not "Database"
11:35:19ShineYeah i read, so should i download the custom view over there or create my own?
11:35:41Shinein files there is no music folder
11:35:51markunThen maybe it's a hidden folder
11:35:59Shinei want just to open a whole folder to play, is it possible?
11:36:18markunyou can go to the file settings and set "View files" to "All"
11:36:27markunthen you should also see the music folder
11:37:12Shineno view files in settings
11:37:22markundisplay settings
11:38:07markunSettings -> General Settings -> File View
11:38:18Shineno
11:38:27markun(so not Display, sorry)
11:38:29markunyes
11:38:57markun-> Show Files
11:39:05markunI'm making a mess of this :)
11:40:03ShineThanks!
11:40:09markunno problem :)
11:40:37markunI'm glad you made it with my confusing instructions. Maybe the manual is a better place to check such things.
11:40:39Shinei can listen to the whole folder finaly
11:41:07Shineok question #2
11:41:54Shineis there a way to design rockbox? or at least to make the font bigger?
11:42:01scorcheyes
11:42:59Shineusing themes?
11:43:10scorcheand changes of fonts, yes
11:43:22Shinewhere can i Dload themes?
11:43:36scorchein the wiki
11:43:54scorcheit is linked on the front page of the wiki under WpsGallery
11:43:58peturor RockboxUtility
11:44:04ShineAny chance you have a link?
11:44:17dionoearockbox-themes.org
11:44:50Shinewhat theme do u suggest?
11:44:58mud-rbthere are screenshots
11:45:03mud-rbexplore
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11:51:28markunI suggest the Rockboxed theme :)
11:51:46markunShine: don't forget to install the fonts
11:51:53mud-rbmarkun: hehe, did you write the rockboxed theme? :)
11:52:00markunNo
11:52:06mud-rbah, bad guess
11:52:22markunBut I think I'm the only one who uses it
11:52:39mud-rbyeah, i actually did for a while, but i wasn't a fan
11:53:56markunMaybe I'll go back to the simple WPS I made for my iriver
11:54:51mud-rbwow, i think i'm finally done setting up keys
11:55:17mud-rbi'm not even going to bother for any of the archos..the screens are just too small for 19x19, and without that there's really not much point
11:55:30markunmud-rb: will you use some pretty bitmaps?
11:56:04mud-rbmarkun: i'm just using simple colors right now...bitmaps would probably be nice, but it's hard to get much detail in such small stones :(
11:56:32markunyes, 19x19 on such a small board..
11:56:37markuneh, screen
11:56:50mud-rbyeah. it's actually quite viewable on sansa, the rest i think it's okay too
11:57:30mud-rb(except archos...and the mini might be kind of a stretch
11:58:15ShineHey can any1 link me to albumart patch please?
11:58:19Shinei cant find it
11:58:27scorcheShine: in the tracker
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12:02:49mud-rboh good, i just wiped out all of my defines after spending forever setting up keys...how nice
12:07:00GodEaterShine: do you know what to do with the patch once you find it ?
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12:08:12Shinebehh.. i see all those bugs peaple reporting
12:08:19Shineill just put some regular theme
12:09:56amiconnmud-rb: Make it scrollable on small screens...
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12:11:17mud-rbamiconn: ugh, maybe. is there rockbox support for that? i don't know if i'm motivated enough to write that from scratch
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12:13:02Shinethe theme is geat :] thanks again
12:14:03Shinequestion #3
12:15:02ShineI dont know its related to rockbox but is there some patches that make sansa support other lang songs
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12:15:20Shinei cant read hebrew and cant wrtie
12:15:58scorcheare you refering under rockbox or the original firmware
12:16:27Shinerockbox
12:17:04scorcherockbox will support other languages...just make sure to use a unicode fint
12:17:06scorchefont
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12:22:41Shineis there a font in the tracker?
12:23:14scorchethe fonts are all in the font package
12:24:19*scorche goes to sleep
12:26:27Shinewait
12:26:38Shineso do u know what font support?
12:28:28markunShine: the fonts are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras
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12:34:55DerPapstmorning
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12:36:55Shinei know i downloaded them but what fonts are unicode?
12:38:16markunShine: here are some examples: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts
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12:39:18Shinequestion #4
12:39:23markunok :)
12:39:37Shinein doom addons ive got 1 file doom2.wad
12:39:57Shineit doesnt work. amy idea why?
12:40:08DerPapsti have a small coding question. Is there any way i can have something like a button timer? So that i can say the button has at least to be pressed 1 second before a event is fired but the event should only fired once after the button is released. Afaik there are BUTTON_REPEAT and BUTTON_REL but i know i can't combine them. So is there any other way to do such a thing?
12:40:34markunShine: if you have just 1 file you can find the answer to your problem here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
12:41:23mud-rbDerPapst: i think you get the BUTTON_REPEAT things before the BUTTON_REL in that case, so just set a flag on BUTTON_REPEAT and then test for it on BUTTON_REL?
12:42:27Shinesp i need the same files in addon dir?
12:43:21markunShine: which part of the wiki page do you mean? If it's unclear I can update it.
12:44:15DerPapstmud-rb: hmm.. sounds good but honestly i have no idea how to do that. :P I guess i would have to to that in the plugin loop?
12:44:48Shinedoom works for me but doom2 doesnt
12:45:02mud-rbyeah, i haven't tested this but i can throw an example in a pastebin if you like. do you really want that functionality though? i can't think of a real use for it, honestly
12:45:35markunShine: strange, it's in the list of supported wads. Do you get an error?
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12:46:35Shineyea. 1 sec.
12:46:43thommyhy
12:47:35markunhi thommy
12:47:35Shinei try to run it but it quits doom plugin
12:48:19DerPapstmud-rb: would be nice :) i don't want a user to accidently reset a level because s/he it the wrong button. so i wanted to make sure the button has to be pressed a certain time before i reset the level. BUTTOM_REPEAT works for that but once it fires the event you are resetting the level about 2 times or more per second. which isn't nice.
12:48:35markunShine: sorry, don't know what's wrong with it
12:48:57thommydoes anyone has experiences with the amarok Rockbox support?
12:49:00Shinei enter doom->addons->doom2 right?
12:49:00mud-rboh, haha...yeah i guess that's semi-valid, yeah let me write what i was thinking in a pastebin..one sec
12:49:29Shineand then play game
12:49:32B4gderthommy: there's amarok rockbox support?
12:49:33DerPapstmud-rb: thanks :)
12:49:36markunShine: I think so, I never play doom
12:49:38pixelmaDerPapst: use a button combo?
12:49:59thommyyes with the 1.4.6 version
12:50:03DerPapstpixelma: yeah i've thought about that too.. but i already have 2 ;)
12:50:26thommybut i didn't get it to work
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12:51:12DerPapstpixelma: and i thought that might be easier to do. I hoped i've missed soemting like a BUTTON_DO_WAHT_I_WANT :P
12:51:26B4gderthommy: I can't find any info about it online
12:51:48ShineMarkun: can i delete other plugins( like cube) ?
12:51:58daktaki have a mini and when i plug it into usb, i get the usb logo and usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71
12:52:02markunShine: sure, but when you update rockbox they will be back :)
12:52:16thommyhttp://amarok.kde.org/
12:52:23B4gderthat's amarok yes
12:52:27mud-rbugh DerPapst: the way i'm thinking of is kind of going to be ugly
12:52:29B4gderbut what about this mentioned plugin
12:52:37mud-rbbut, i'll still write it up, haha..you can decide
12:52:53B4gderI found this:
12:52:57B4gderhttp://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php?topic=14189.msg18984
12:52:59DerPapstmud-rb: heh ok :)
12:53:06pixelmaDerPapst: I don't understand your button repeat problem though... there are quite a few places where rockbox distinguishes between a short and a long button press
12:53:10thommy4th point
12:53:43B4gderthommy: yes I can see it _mentioned_ but there's no info about it
12:53:43mud-rbhe wants it to distinguish and /also/ for it only to fire once the button is released
12:54:37thommyhmm
12:54:41B4gderbut I find lots of people asking the same question...
12:55:06B4gder... with nobody answering them
12:55:15thommyyes i know
12:55:23markundoes Amarok have a IRC channel?
12:55:23pixelmasure it is possible - DerPapst look at the BUTTON_PRE definitions... (I think that's where your problem lies ;) )
12:55:51mud-rboh is there an actual way to do this?
12:55:55B4gder#amarok here on freenode
12:56:18mud-rbhttp://www.pastebin.ca/595171 here is the gross hack i had in mind. the biggest grossness is you need to set fire_it = false in every other button case
12:56:29DerPapstpixelma: that plugin doesn't have BUTTON_PRE definitions yet.
12:56:32mud-rberr...wait, i have no idea
12:56:32mud-rbhaha
12:56:46pixelmaDerPapst: you just set them...
12:57:03thommyi already ask there but no solution
12:57:39DerPapstmud-rb: yeah that is similat of what i thought too ;)
12:58:06mud-rbokay, yeah it should work, with some tweaking..and i think i'm wrong about having to set the flag false in ever case, just set it false if it hits...maybe
12:58:26mud-rbbut it's still gross...haha, if there's an actual way, do that
12:58:54thommyis there a software to display the status of rockbox under linux?
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12:59:08mud-rbdefine "status"
12:59:19markunB4gder: seems to be ipod only http://ljubomir.simin.googlepages.com/awnissue9#146
12:59:46B4gderthommy: what's there to display?
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13:00:29thommyhow much space is left or st
13:00:37DerPapstpixelma: can you show me any example plugin?
13:00:49B4gderthommy: the player appears as a usb-storage disk, all the standard tools work for that
13:00:54mud-rbthommy: your player looks to linux like a normal disk drive
13:00:57pixelmaDerPapst: look for example at the Ondio keymap in sudoku.h: short press of "menu" toggles the number and a long press of "menu" brings up the menu *once*
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13:01:26DerPapstthanks
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13:03:14DerPapsthmm... it's a bit of a similar way what mud-rb has done.
13:03:16pixelmaand there are different button combos with "menu" as well - it works
13:04:03markunmud-rb: these graphics look quite nice don't you think? http://www.nongnu.org/gap/ladder/ladder-scrshot1.jpg
13:04:13DerPapsti think i understand now how i can do that. thank you both :)
13:04:58mud-rbmarkun: hmm, yes they are pretty nice actually
13:05:20mud-rbmarkun: even those are a bit big though, although i think they could survive a little shrinking
13:05:51mud-rbanother problem with bitmaps is that it's going to be difficult to size them for all players, unless i just implement scrolling, but honeslty i don't like the idea of scrolling
13:06:01mud-rbit's pretty important to be able to see the whole board at the same time...
13:06:06markunmud-rb: maybe I can play a bit with The Gimp to make you some nice tiles
13:06:51Shinemarkun: i used a hebrew supported font but i still see gibrish(text files)
13:07:10markunShine: then you probably need to set your default codepage to Hebrew
13:07:18Shinehuh?
13:07:28Shineplease explain yourself
13:07:32mud-rbmarkun: sure, if you don't mind that might be helpful
13:08:33mud-rbmarkun: oh! that's a really good idea that program uses to show the last move (lighten the board around it a bit)
13:08:48mud-rbi wonder if i can somehow do that, although it might be tough...
13:09:05markunmud-rb: just make a separate tile for it
13:09:54mud-rbmarkun: yeah...i think one problem with tiles is that currently i'm not set up to use them at all, it's all custom drawn because i wanted to allow any board size and supporting many players is easier this way
13:09:59thommyor ceatinging playlists
13:10:30DerPapstpixelma: the problem is even if i define any BUTTON_PREs the evil plugin loop doesn't make any use of it so they would be unused. So i have to code a handler for them in the loop first to make them work. But i think that is easy.
13:10:53mud-rbmarkun: i think either we're going to have to restrict board sizes to maybe just 19x19, or else tiles are pretty difficult with all of the different screen sizes
13:11:05mud-rb(and even then there's going to have to be a lot of tiles)
13:11:19markunmud-rb: yes, we'll see
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13:11:49markunor maybe restrict the game to 9x9 for screens which are too small?
13:12:48mud-rbyes, that's a possibility, but i'm not sure how useful that actually is...the most popular use case by far and away is going to be 19x19
13:13:10pixelmaDerPapst: sorry - I still don't understand. I used them myself and also defined new ones... they worked "out of the box".
13:13:10Shinemarkun: what codepage?
13:13:14mud-rbi guess we could use tiles if the screen is large enough at the current board size, and fall back on custon drawn
13:13:51pixelmaDerPapst: if you remember Ipod minesweeper... ;)
13:13:52peturmaybe use seamless tiles and draw all other features on top of it?
13:14:06markunShine: under display settings
13:14:08mud-rbseamless tiles?
13:14:44peturpatterns you can put next to each other without seing they are repeated
13:14:52petur*seeing
13:15:10mud-rboh oh, no that wouldn't work...the tiles we're talking about are for like a circular game piece
13:15:19markunpetur: well, if they are tiles you could always see that
13:15:44mud-rbthat would be nice for the game board pattern though for sure
13:16:06peturok, I meant seamless pattern for the background/board and draw the other stuff on top
13:16:19mud-rbah yes, that would be good
13:16:21DerPapstpixelma: e.g. look at the sudoku plugin. (sudoku.c line 1195) there you can see if a button_pre is defined something happens in the gameloop (to be exact nothing happens as desired). but the pligin i'm working on doesn't have something similar in its mainloop so if i make a new button_pre define nothing should actually happen.
13:17:06peturand if you use transparency you can have any graphic you want (round things,...)
13:17:15DerPapstmeaning it would still behave like before.
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13:17:22markunpetur: what's the fenefit of having one background in that case? I was planning to make tiles with everything predrawn
13:17:31markunfor nice alpha tranparency :)
13:18:03markunpetur: I mean what's the benefit of NOT having 1 background
13:18:07peturmarkun: that way you can have less gfx that's player dependant
13:18:08markunspace?
13:18:10DerPapstmarkun: maybe a algorithm to draw wood as well?
13:18:16DerPapst:P
13:18:24mud-rboh god
13:18:35amiconnDerPapst: Of course you also need to check the previous value inf you add a _PRE macro
13:18:53amiconnThe mechanism is actually quite simple
13:18:54markunmud-rb: we should worry about the game and not the graphics :)
13:19:06DerPapstmud-rb: nahh not god but pope ;)
13:19:19mud-rbmarkun: oh, the game is already 99% finished as far as game viewing/recording goes
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13:19:40DerPapstamiconn: yupp. i've seen them in sudoku and minesweeper already.
13:19:54mud-rbas in, it works perfectly except for passing, board marks, and some other minor things
13:21:14mud-rbonce i get these keypads redone you can see how it works so far, it looks fairly good to my eye as long as you don't look at the code, haha
13:21:36DerPapstamiconn: one question... if a plugin uses pluginlib_actions for it's button defines and i think they are not usable at all is it ok to make my own button defines in the plugin for a particular dap and if that dap isn't defined use pluginlib_actions instead?
13:22:49dionoeapluginlib defines for ipod's up/down are unusable (if that's what you were refering to)
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13:23:17Shineive canged the codepage to hebrew. i still cant read
13:23:18dionoea(at least they are in the maze plugin)
13:23:22DerPapstdionoea: yes that too.
13:23:29mud-rbin what way are they unusable? i'm trying to write keys for the ipod right this second
13:23:40DerPapstdionoea: that is the plugin i'm messing with atm ;)
13:23:42mud-rbi hope i'm not making the same mistake, i have no actual hardware for any of the ipods
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13:24:03dionoeamud-rb: changing keys for an ipod without being able to test is quite risky imo
13:24:36dionoeaDerPapst: i'm sure that you could define an alternate directions / action key array for in the pluginlib
13:24:37DerPapstmud-rb: have to go to work soon but if youre here in about 8 hourn i maybe can help you ;)
13:24:37mud-rbdionoea: i'm writing keys for my own plugin, and in general nobody was willing to give me input on keys :)
13:24:42dionoeaand use that in the plugin
13:25:20dionoeamud-rb: ah :) what plugin are you coding ?
13:25:21DerPapstdionoea: yeah i could do that too but then i would mess up other plugins as well
13:25:22mud-rbDerPapst: haha i might be, but probably will be sleeping :( i /think/ what i have now will work...hopefully. it does on the simulator at least
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13:25:43mud-rbdionoea: a game recorder/viewer for Go/Igo/Baduk/Weiqi
13:25:52dionoeaDerPapst: why ? you specify which action array you want to use. So other plugins wouldn't change
13:26:06dionoeaunless their code changed to use the new arrays of course
13:26:33dionoeamud-rb: nice :) Does it have an AI too ?
13:26:58mud-rbdionoea: unfortunately not right now, although that's the long term go...gnugo is wicked heavy on the memory or it would be easier
13:27:06mud-rbs/go/goal/
13:27:25dionoeaok
13:28:19DerPapstdionoea: ah ok... but introducing a complete new buttonset for every plugin where i don't like the defines that uses this lib is a bit overkill imo
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13:28:41amiconnDerPapst: I don't know. pluginlib_actions is of almost no use imho. Requirements of the various plugins are too different from each other to make a generic actions approach work nicely
13:28:57pixelmaI still think that button actions for plugins (specifically games) don't make sense because the control scheme can be so different and the keypads need different solutions for each. If you start defining all these extra cases in the pluginlib would just be moving the defines from the plugin to the lib - less transparency...
13:29:00mud-rbamiconn: yeah that was my conclusion as well
13:29:24DerPapstamiconn: this is waht i thought too. that's why i wanted to make my onw ones.
13:30:01dionoeacan't you code your own actions per plugin but still use the action code in the game's loop ?
13:30:10DerPapsts/amiconn/amiconn, pixelma:
13:31:02mud-rbdionoea: if i understand you correctly then it's basically the same as the old way, right? although in my opinion it's somewhat less clear
13:31:07pixelmadionoea: what would be the use of it in an "outsourced" lib?
13:31:12DerPapstdionoea: right now i have my own defines if the plugin is built for an iPod but if not i still use this plugin_lib
13:32:40amiconndionoea: You could make your own actions list. But that's less clear than processing button presses the old way imo
13:32:51dionoeait might help preventing the use of lots of ifdef SOMEBUTTON in the keyboard handling switch. (see the solitaire button loop for an example of how ugly that looks)
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13:33:42mud-rbdionoea: i think the best solution is the #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == BLAH <whole bunch of mapping defines ... approach. i think the solitare only looks bad because it avoids that
13:34:17dionoeano, it doesn't
13:34:37mud-rboh, then why does it look horrible? i managed to get away without any hairiness in my actual loop
13:35:11dionoeabecause you have so many possible actions/shortcut actions that some targets don't have enough buttons to handle them with simple defines
13:35:33dionoeaand AFAIK, those could be simplified using the action code
13:35:38DerPapsti'm off for work. i think i have a patch for maze done this evening. see you then :)
13:35:44mud-rbso then you do #define MY_BUTTON_TO_DO_SOMETHING BUTTON_ONE | BUTTON_TWO or something, right?
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13:36:24dionoeamud-rb: check the solitaire code to see what i'm talking about... it's kind of hard to describle
13:36:57mud-rbhmm okay, i will look in a sec...
13:37:01B4gderwoo, a zagor commit! ;-)
13:37:41Zagorsurprise!
13:37:55B4gderbtw, I take it that patch works for 32bit userspace as well?
13:38:11B4gderas x86_64 is the uname for that too
13:38:14Zagorit should. I'll test it right away.
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13:40:08mud-rbwow, why does solitare need so many buttons?
13:40:27dionoeamakes it faster to play
13:40:52mud-rbi see...okay i think that's why it's ugly, having that many buttons is going to be ugly no matter what you do
13:41:24mud-rbi have 7, sort of and it's very tight
13:42:07dionoeak
13:43:03pixelmaNico_P: interesting typo in your last commit message :P
13:43:44Nico_P:p
13:43:51Nico_Pat least I got it right in the CREDITS
13:44:20mud-rbwow, that's a pretty badass name...that's his real name?
13:44:53Nico_Pmud-rb: actually it's Banga
13:45:01mud-rbyeah, still badass
13:45:52*petur compares it to 'mud-rb' and shakes head
13:46:06mud-rb:(
13:46:12petur:p
13:46:14dionoea;)
13:46:23mud-rb'mud' was taken, and i was sad
13:48:51mud-rbspeaking of names: rockgoban is better than sgfbox, right? because sgfbox is probably the lamest name ever
13:49:11ZagorB4gder: yup, it works
13:49:17dionoeaor just "go" ?
13:49:24dionoeaor "goban" ?
13:49:36mud-rbhaha...i guess that's possible, probably goban
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13:50:41pixelmayeah, there's already to much rocking or boxing in plugin names
13:50:48preglowway, way too much...
13:50:53pixelmatoo, even
13:50:55mud-rbhehe
13:51:27preglowif you can't think of anything without rock or box in it, do a poll or something
13:51:34preglowunless the name is something as clever as "spacerocks!"
13:51:43preglowexclamation mark unintended
13:51:55mud-rbyeah, spacerocks is pretty solid
13:52:25markunmud-rb: first experiment: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/go.jpg
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13:52:45preglowsomeone's making a go plug?
13:52:52markunpreglow: yes, mud-rb is
13:52:56preglowisn't computers really lousy at go?
13:53:01jbahey guys
13:53:20markunpreglow: yes, they it's very difficult for computers
13:53:23dionoeahi
13:53:27mud-rbpreglow: it's only a recorder/viewer for now, and yeah computers are pretty lousy. eventually i want to port gnugo, which at least pretends not to be lousy
13:53:27markun-they
13:53:53mud-rb(but honestly it doesn't pretend very hard)
13:54:01preglowhaha
13:54:28preglowit just spits out lines of text like "this game bores me!", "your play is obvious!" and "hah! this shall be easy!" ?
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13:54:39preglowuntil it finally says "ok, i'm a fraud..." when it loses
13:55:03ShineAny1 knows why i cant read hebrew texts in rockbox?
13:55:04mud-rbhaha, no that's not until the final version
13:55:14mud-rb@ preglow
13:55:36LinusNShine: because you (1) have the wrong font, or (2) haven't set the correct code page
13:55:46markunpreglow: with the Zune port you will be able to play it with other people over wifi :)
13:55:54mud-rbokay, i think i finally set up the keypads again after wiping them out like a retard
13:55:58LinusNor (3) you can't read :-P
13:56:02mud-rbnow to test them all...again (goddamit)
13:56:15ShineLinusN: i have the correct code, i set the code page to hebrew
13:56:32markunmud-rb: what did you think of the graphics?
13:56:33LinusNthen my bet is on the font
13:56:50Shineive tried 4 difrent fonts that SUPPORT hebrew
13:56:55preglowokiedoke, i'm out
13:56:55preglowbrb
13:56:55mud-rbmarkun: from that page you linked? they look very nice, and should be scalable down to some degree i think, with some work
13:57:03pixelmaShine: if you mean the text viewer - that one as an own encoding setting
13:57:10Shine+ i have gibrish in the plugin editor and not hebrew font
13:57:24Shineow
13:57:28Shineill check it
13:57:51markunand I don't know what the editor things about unicode
13:57:57markunthinks
13:58:02pixelmain the text viewer menu
13:58:21Shinehow do i change the text viewr?
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13:59:06pixelmaopen your .txt then call the menu from "inside" the plugin - pitily that's not documented too well
13:59:19markunmud-rb: wow, we only have 12x12 on our biggest screens for a 19x19 board..
13:59:29mud-rbmarkun: yeah :(
13:59:49pixelmaShine: you had an Ipod?
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14:00:05ShineSansa e280
14:00:16markunmud-rb: it looks terrible
14:00:18Shinei cant call it from the inside
14:00:23mud-rbmarkun: it actually looks pretty nice on my sansa, i'm about to throw a new patch on the tracker with keypad configurations and colors for everything except archos players if you want to see
14:00:33markunmud-rb: ok
14:00:51mud-rbmarkin: i mean with the graphics i have now it looks okay of course, no bitmaps or anything
14:01:01ShineSo how do i configure the settings of the text editor in sansa
14:01:31markunShine: if there is no codepage settings I guess it's not possible
14:02:24pixelmaShine: when in the text viewer press "select" (the center button) - ooh I thought you meant the text viewer not the text editor...
14:02:53Shinealso the text viewr
14:02:56markundoes the text editor support UTF-8?
14:03:17Shinei dont know
14:03:20pixelmayes, but you have to set it seperately
14:03:44Shineso how i set the text viewer
14:04:30pixelmaShine: view the .txt - press select, choose "encoding" which is the first option - select utf-8
14:04:52markunor ISO-8859-8 in your case
14:05:49ShineWOW
14:05:55Shinethanks a lot guys
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14:06:47Gabrilhi
14:08:41markunShine: I hope it was your last question for today :)
14:10:03Shineheh, i hope only doom will get fixed
14:10:07Shinethanks guys
14:10:22Gabrilcan anyone explain why my rockbox ( ipod video 80 gig ) shows up twice in my windows file explorer? or how i can disable this? maybe i'm just searching with the wrong keywords...
14:11:01mud-rbdoes it have two partitions on it or something?
14:11:29Gabrilwell, they were there by default - and - the two rockboxes i see in windows have the same content
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14:12:02mud-rbi can think of no way that rockbox would cause that...i'd guess it's a windows problem somehow
14:12:43GodEatervery definitely - it's nothing to do with rockbox at all
14:13:20mud-rbactually i can think of no way that i would make windows do that either, but yeah it's definitely not rockbox
14:13:28Gabrilok, so i just have to play a little bit with the partitions
14:13:34GodEaterNico_P: have you seen qgit yet ?
14:13:41Nico_Pyes
14:13:47GodEaterGabril: I don't think it's anything to do with the partitions either - leave them alone
14:13:51GodEater:)
14:14:08Gabrilthere is a small ( 80 mb )-partition at the beginning. don't know if it's something like /boot so i did not touch them
14:14:33GodEaterGabril: that's the firmware paritition. Leave it alone.
14:14:45mud-rbif his partition table is fubar'd in some sort of magical way could windows see it as two disks with the same stuff?
14:14:51Nico_PGodEater: but the package from the ubuntu repos refuses to install with the git packages I have, so I just use gitk
14:14:51ShineIs there a way to watch wmv\avi movies?
14:15:03GodEaterNico_P: that's a shame - installed fine here
14:15:08GodEaterShine: Read the manual
14:15:10Gabrilshine: that would be my next question ;)
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14:15:20GodEaterShine: and look at the MpegPlayer wiki page
14:16:03pixelmaPluginMpegplayer he means
14:16:25GodEaterpixelma: indeed. I should drink more coffee :(
14:17:37B4gderwant a sip of my cup?
14:18:22GodEaterdon't think I can lean all the way to Stockholm
14:18:42B4gderok, I'll mail it
14:19:02GodEaterwith the t-shirts ? :)
14:19:24markunB4gder: how many shirts are left anyway?
14:19:50B4gdermarkun: I'll count the remainders when I send a few to GodEater
14:20:03B4gderwhich i should do any day now
14:20:21GodEateryay
14:20:37Gabrili have to correct myself - partition1: 126 MB (not used) - partition2: 74,4 GB (used) - will i destroy my ipod when i delete all my partitions and create a single partition? any experiences?
14:20:51mud-rbmarkun: new version of the patch is on the tracker if you'd like to see (v0.8) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7369 the outlining of the white stones looks kind of crappy, so try to imagine it without that, haha
14:21:06markunmud-rb: thanks
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14:21:12GodEaterGabril: I've said twice now - Don't mess with your partitions
14:21:31mud-rbGabril: why would you do that?
14:21:59Gabrilwell - i don'w know why (every) windows wants to connect 2 rockboxes, open it twice, scan it twice ...
14:22:15B4gderscan?
14:22:19GodEaterGabril: I'm 100% sure the problem is NOT with your ipod.
14:22:20pixelmatried at a different computer?
14:22:27mud-rbwell if they both have the same content, then it's definitely not the problem with having 2 partitions
14:22:31Gabril3 computers ...
14:22:44markunGodEater: would this be a good case for Git where I would pull mud-rb's changes in his Go branch?
14:22:53GodEatermarkun: very good case ;)
14:23:00Gabrilwell, i just ignore it for now ;)
14:23:06mud-rbhaha
14:23:17GodEatermarkun: however, I'm having a complete nightmare finding a GOOD guide for getting git-daemon working
14:23:33GodEaterevery guide seems to assume you have a host "out there" on the internet for sharing your changes by
14:23:40GodEaterand nothing about actually setting that host up
14:23:43GodEaterit's very annoying
14:23:47mud-rbman i've heard linus (linux's, not ours) harp on git so much, i think i grew to hate it somehow
14:23:59mud-rbhe makes good points, it's just i've heard them so many times i want to puke
14:24:13GodEatermud-rb: he's not the most, erm, polite or tolerant person ;)
14:24:14B4gderdid you see the svn take on linus' presentation?
14:24:27B4gderhttp://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2007-06/0780.shtml
14:24:35Nico_Pmud-rb: how come you saw it too much ?
14:24:59ShineSo i cant play wmv
14:25:03mud-rbNico_P: probably just hanging out on lkml for too long, and random other places
14:25:08*GodEater reads the svn post
14:25:08mud-rbB4gder: no i don't think i saw this
14:25:16Nico_Poh nice, Karl Fogel :) I got his book from google
14:25:38B4gderthere are several very sensible svn guys, Karl being one of them
14:26:03Nico_Phis book is very interesting ("producing OSS", in case he wrote several)
14:26:05B4gderand I like how they are not talking linusT-style
14:26:26*desowin likes Karl's book, which he got from Google
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14:27:27desowinas you're considering change of version control - have you considered mercurial ?
14:28:16Nico_Pdesowin: you're a SoC student ?
14:28:31B4gderapart from it being python people seem to say cool things about it...
14:28:44desowinNico_P: yes, but not for rockbox
14:28:52Nico_Pwhat project ?
14:29:20desowinaudacious
14:29:28Shinepokemon will be slow on sansa?
14:33:16mud-rbShine: try it and see
14:33:23Nico_Pdoes mercurial have advantages over git ?
14:33:39mud-rbcooler name? :)
14:34:04desowinand you use hg command ;-) less to write
14:34:39Nico_Pwow we need mercurial !
14:34:53Nico_P:)
14:35:09mud-rbindeed, think of all the wasted keystrokes typing 'svn' all the time
14:35:24jba_hey B4gder thanks for that link, it was a cool post
14:35:29*petur uses gui :p
14:35:56jba_svn client shits on most gui's i've used so far
14:36:01Nico_Ppetur: have you managed to get git ?
14:36:08jba_and i've been using svn since the mono guys started using it way back when
14:36:24jba_thought tortoise and ankh svn have come a long way
14:36:43peturNico_P: I think it installed, and then I got lost on how to use it... I'm a gui kind of guy you know ;)
14:36:49*pixelma remembers petur having trouble with line-endings :P
14:37:08mud-rbhaha
14:37:16Nico_Ppetur: I've written a small guide at the end of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl
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14:37:45peturpixelma: yes, LinusN called me a windows fanboy ;)
14:37:52pixelmathough I have to admit I'm more a gui person too
14:38:24Nico_PGodEater: I ended up compiling qgit :)
14:38:50peturstill looking for a good svn gui frontend. Many are promised but only RapidSVN is available I think, and it's far from perfect
14:39:07jba_why the rockbox guys talking about git? you guys didn't move to git now, did you?
14:39:35mud-rbthey seem to be considering it
14:40:07Nico_Psome of us have started fiddling with it out of interest
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14:41:11mud-rboh crap, i forgot to change all my tabs to spaces in my last patch...gah
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14:46:20PaulJamheh, i just found out that entering a path in the vkeyboard when renaming a directory seems to be a really dumb idea. mybe rockbox should check the user input in that case.
14:46:51mud-rbdoes it explode in some dramatic way?
14:47:16Nico_Pis JdGordon on vacation or something ?
14:47:50PaulJamwell, the directory that was renamed does explode (more or less)
14:48:04mud-rboh good...
14:49:43markunSomething different: during my internship there were a few times where a rockbox DTMF plugin would have been nice :)
14:50:14mud-rbDTMF?
14:50:35markunyes, the sounds used in modern phones
14:50:39markunto make a call
14:50:43mud-rboh oh, haha
14:51:05mud-rbof course the plugin would have to be named bluebox...
14:52:02peturan address book that syncs with outlook would be nice too
14:52:20markunpetur: but how..
14:52:48markunanother thing to build into rbutil :)
14:52:56peturheh
14:53:30peturI'd like to get tombo ported to rockbox as it is my main notebook on pc/pda
14:54:06peturhttp://tombo.sourceforge.jp/En/
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14:56:17peturbut right now, what I really want, is my weekly BOFH :)
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15:07:27GodEaterNico_P: Does "git svn" work on your machine? I have to use "git-svn" ?
15:07:39Nico_Pyes it works fine
15:08:01GodEaterinteresting
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15:08:33Nico_Pwhat git and gi-svn versions do you have ?
15:08:49PaulJamhmm. would this be considered as a bug that choosing an unwise name (containing a "/") when renaming destroys the dir and causes filesystem errors, or is this more a user fault.
15:08:56GodEatergit is 1.5.2.2
15:09:12GodEatersame for git-svn
15:10:03GodEaterweird - "git svn" does work here - guess I just never tried it
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15:11:13cropPaulJam: I'd consider it a seriuos bug
15:11:43cropThe system must be fool safe IMHO
15:11:49dionoea+1 (all chars forbiden by fat should be forbiden)
15:11:50Nico_PI agree
15:12:01GodEaterditto
15:12:56cropHasn't a patch been committed that would rule out invalid chars?
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15:13:10PaulJamok, then i'll do some more testing and open a bugreport (i must admit that this was observed with an unsupported build)
15:14:04GodEaterbest make sure that testing includes an official build then :)
15:16:01amiconnThe fat-safe filename patch has not yet been committed.
15:16:09PaulJamof course i wouldn't mind if someone else would investigate this. (backing up 20 GB and putting it later back on the player always takes a long time).
15:16:18pondlifeamiconn: There are 2
15:16:19amiconnHowever, using a / in a filename should not cause fs corruption
15:16:56amiconnIt should instead just place the file with the name after the / in the sub-dir with the name before the / if it exists
15:17:04amiconnOtherwise it should fail
15:17:59GodEaterour fat driver uses both / and \ as directory seperators ?
15:18:00pondlifeThe Win32 API seems to allows / to be used instead of \...
15:19:03amiconnGodEater: Our fat driver uses / only iirc. The playlist reader supports both
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15:24:20cropamiconn: I'd disagree. If in the rename operation you specify a name with a "/" it should fail. Since what you specify is semantically a name, not a path
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15:25:08peturas in, you're requesting a move, not a rename
15:25:10cropOr is this a path? Then you're right
15:26:40croppetur: seen that way: yes, it should be moved to a subdir. But then a question arises: if the subdir doesn't exist, should it be created?
15:27:25peturshould we support moving through a rename request?
15:28:24cropI'm not quite sure whether it's move or rename. I think we should name the operation according to what it really does.
15:29:11cropIIRC it's "rename" now, so I wouldn't expect "/" to be accepted.
15:29:35cropBut to change the menu entry name is easier than modify the func :-)
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15:31:59PaulJamin my opinion it shouldn't be possible to move via the rename finction. since you can always move the file/folder by using the cut/paste functions (even though this currently can cause filesystem errors too)
15:33:47amiconncrop: I'm not saying it's desired behaviour, just what svn does atm
15:34:25cropPaulJam: but it should be possible via "move" So just rename the entry ;-)
15:34:45cropamiconn: this ^^ could also be for you :-)
15:35:05cropBut if the intended semantics is "rename", the func should be corrected
15:36:16B4gderimho, rename should be able to move files
15:37:55amiconnB4gder: Why?
15:38:27B4gderbecause that's what rename implies to me
15:39:31amiconnTo me it doesn't... and moving via cut+paste is easier to use than typing in a path with the vkeyboard
15:39:36B4gder"rename - change the name or location of a file"
15:39:46B4gder(from man 2 rename)
15:39:55cropHmm... You've been using UNIX too long :-) For me, "rename" means rename, and "move" menas move, and that also includes rename
15:40:16B4gderI admit to be a unix head but I believe even windows' rename can move files
15:40:27*petur tries
15:41:09cropIt depends on what's considered to constitute a file name: the whole path or just the last segment.
15:41:11peturnope
15:41:44cropI think for most people it's just the last segment.
15:41:59peturwindows rename doesn't
15:42:33peturfrom 'help ren': Note that you cannot specify a new drive or path for your destination file.
15:42:36*GodEater only ever uses "move" on windows - didn't even know there *was* a rename command
15:42:51*petur uses F2 :)
15:43:14croppetur: he-he. That's a pure rename, yes!
15:43:16GodEaterpretty sure you can't move a file that way :)
15:44:09ShineI have iRiver H10 and after ive installed rockbox ive got "System files missing" error. Help guys
15:47:45amiconnB4gder: Hehe, I didn't even know *nix has 'rename'. I only used 'mv' so far (or the gui of course)
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15:48:10B4gderI don't think the command rename is very standard
15:48:20B4gderthe function call is POSIX though
15:48:44amiconnYes, but that's a different thing
15:49:05B4gderperhaps, but they all do rename and they all allow the target to be in a different dir
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15:51:06GodEateryou'd have to be mad to type "rename" instead of mv
15:51:30B4gderrename is for batch renaming... somehow
15:51:52B4gderI've never used it, I'd write a for loop...
15:53:11cropI'm not sure all RB users have such a deep unix background. Take petur as a typical example :-)
15:53:31markunI use mmv for batch renaming
15:53:35*petur hits crop with a copy of W2K
15:53:43Zagorexample: rename 's/\.bak$/.old/' *.bak
15:54:36croppetur: 'copy'? Or 'move'? :-P
15:54:48peturlol
15:54:49B4gder*g*
15:54:50pondliferen
15:55:16*petur moves to hit crop with a renamed copy of W2K
15:55:21cropThat would be 'Copy of W2K' I guess
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15:57:34GodEateror "Not Windows Genuine Advantage W2K" ?
15:58:52GodEaterhahaha "man 1 rename" gives "see also mmv(1)" - "man 1 mmv" gives "No manual entry for mmv" :)
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16:02:32*B4gder starts his 4 week vacation in a few minutes
16:02:36GodEatergood afternoon linuxstb
16:02:46GodEater4 weeks ?!?!
16:02:48GodEaterno fair!
16:02:54ZagorB4gder: so more commits from you the coming month then? ;-)
16:03:06B4gderI gotta break the 10K wall ,-)
16:03:15B4gder(9500 something on ohloh)
16:03:29GodEaterB4gder: one character at a time commits will not count :)
16:03:44B4gderwhy not, they made it fine so far! ;-)
16:03:47GodEaterhehehe
16:04:08markunI remember when LinusN was away for a while on a boat but couldn't resist visiting #rockbox almost every day
16:04:30GodEaterwe have a harbour in here somewhere ?
16:04:34*GodEater looks around
16:05:29Nico_PB4gder: what's on your list ?
16:05:57markunGodEater: I found the logs and it turned out the trip was only 3 days, thought it was much longer :)
16:06:11B4gdercurl curl curl libssh2 c-ares ....
16:06:15GodEateryou missed him so much huh ? ;)
16:06:25B4gderI actually have no particular rockbox work in the pipe... I think
16:06:37GodEatersecret meetings with MrH ?
16:06:45B4gderI can always improve the build script
16:06:52markunGodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20050612
16:07:00pondlifeVolunteer for viewport duty?
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16:07:20B4gderhaha
16:07:38B4gderI rather not dip my toe in that hottub
16:07:55pondlifeA hot tub full of piranhas ?
16:08:11GodEatera hot tub full of tiny death dealing amiconns :)
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16:09:13pondlifeGodEater: I'm sure amiconn wouldn't object if someone else implemented viewports the Right Way.
16:09:15Nico_PB4gder: have you thought about the git hosting thing ?
16:09:29GodEaterpondlife: it's that "Right Way" which is the tricky bit :)
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16:09:47B4gderNico_P: what's there to think about it?
16:10:09B4gderI guess it is mostly about learning about how to do it
16:10:12Nico_Perr I don't know... is it doable ? is it a good idea ?
16:10:18B4gderso I'm waiting for you to tell me ;-)
16:10:22Nico_Phaha
16:10:42Nico_PGodEater ?
16:11:09GodEatersec - phone call
16:11:26B4gderwe lost so much bandwidth on the svn server now we need to built it up again with new traffic! ;-)
16:11:42B4gderbandwidth use I mean
16:12:55*pondlife wonders if git is not just a distraction from M-o-B... ;p
16:13:16Nico_PI'm trying to do both :)
16:13:28GodEaterfrom what I've read up on so far
16:13:40GodEaterwe need to setup an ssh account for each dev
16:13:51Nico_Ppondlife: have you had a look at JdGordon's buffering.c ?
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16:13:54GodEaterset the login shell to git-shell, rather than bash
16:14:07GodEaterwhich will allow only git pull and git push I believe
16:14:13pondlifeNico_P: Last I heard he said it didn't work and not to bother
16:14:32GodEaterbut let me actually try and make it work locally first, then I can actually write a proper guide :)
16:14:53Nico_Ppondlife: yes and I was asking myself in what ways it was broken... sadly he isn't here to answer
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16:15:55GodEaterNico_P: http://eagain.net/blog/2007/03/22/howto-host-git.html <−− looks useful
16:17:11GodEaterI'd never heard of the "command=" option in authorized_keys till I read that
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16:20:19B4gderthat's a cool feature of ssh
16:20:24GodEatercertainly is
16:20:37GodEatercan't believe I'd never come across it before
16:21:00B4gderespecially since you can control it from remote depending on what key you use to login
16:21:06GodEateryep
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16:21:26GodEatertoo late
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16:40:59PaulJamhaha, i did some more experimenting with the rename function and realized, that the really stupid thing i tied previously wasn't to try to move a dir by renaming (which actually works the way amiconn described) but i tried to move the dir inside itself (renaming "test" to "test/test2").
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16:43:41cropSo it works as 'move' but doesn't handle this case gracefully (by refusing to execute it)?
16:45:22amiconnPaulJam: ouch!
16:46:08PaulJamyes, with the exception that it doen't move to directorys that don't exist. and moving directorys causes the same filesystemcorruption like described in FS #7359
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16:49:39GodEaterNico_P: what is it exactly you want Bagder to set up ? A git repo that tracks the svn one automatically ?
16:49:49GodEaterOr just a git repo for you that's held on the rockbox servers ?
16:50:00Nico_Pboth actually
16:50:18GodEaterwell the latter one is fairly easy
16:50:22GodEaterI'm just doing an experimental push to one now
16:50:28GodEaterlooks to be pretty simple
16:50:34GodEaterI'm not quite sure how to achieve the first one yet
16:50:38GodEaterstill reading :)
16:51:40Nico_Pit could be done with a post-commit hook of the svn repo
16:53:12GodEateryep - but you'd need an svn expert for that
16:53:19GodEater<−− not an svn expert
16:53:27Nico_Pit's quite simple actually
16:53:33GodEatergood - you can do it then :)
16:53:39Nico_PBagder is an svn expert
16:53:42GodEateryay
16:54:03GodEaterI guess it'd simple run a git-svn rebase after each commit
16:54:16Nico_Pyes
16:54:23GodEaterare you hoping to be able to commit to the git repo and have it go into svn as well ?
16:54:48*GodEater thinks this would be asking for trouble
16:54:58Nico_Pa bit
16:55:16GodEaterok - baby steps then
16:55:31Nico_PI rather see it as a way to easily clone the rockbox official repo
16:56:33Nico_Pthe easiest way to do it is probably to disable pushing to it
16:57:13GodEaterwhich would be easy
16:57:18GodEaterjust deny any sort of ssh access to it
16:57:27GodEaterand make pulling from it use http
16:57:42Nico_Pyes, so it would basically be read only for anyone but the rockbox host
16:57:50GodEatereasy enough to set up
16:58:16Nico_Pthen people could get the source as a git repo, work on it and then publish their own repos
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17:00:38Nico_Phopefully that way it could promote collaboration on big features
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17:01:19Nico_PI don't think there needs to be an actual switch from svn to git, having both doesn't really seem problematic
17:01:23*GodEater is hoping this too
17:01:30GodEaterno
17:02:09GodEaterin fact - it avoids us having to write hooks for git too to check for access
17:02:16GodEaterwe stick to the current svn access list
17:06:44Nico_PGodEater: do you know if it is possible to publish a git-svn repo ?
17:07:01GodEaterI'm just doing that now to find out :)
17:07:07Nico_Pso that people who clone it can easily commit to the svn repo through the git repo
17:07:20GodEaterah I see what you mean
17:07:28Nico_Pthat was your question earlier, wasn't it ?
17:07:36GodEaterthat'll be harder for me to test - I have no svn to push to test it
17:08:05Nico_Pare you publishing a git-svn clone of the rockbox svn ?
17:08:22GodEateryes
17:08:37Nico_Pso maybe I can try to commit to the svn through it
17:08:44GodEaterI'll shout as soon as I have it done
17:08:47GodEaterand you can try
17:08:48Nico_Pok
17:09:09GodEaterI'm not sure you'll be commiting *through* it though
17:09:14GodEateryou can pull from it into your own
17:09:18GodEaterand commit from there
17:09:20GodEater?
17:09:20GodEatersurely
17:09:40Nico_Pprobably
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17:09:47GodEatercool
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17:10:44GodEaterI've got a mini git-repo - only a few of the latest svn revs in it
17:10:53GodEater60% pushed so far
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17:13:22GodEaterok done
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17:13:58GodEatertry "git pull godeater.cream.org/rockbox.git">http://godeater.cream.org/rockbox.git master:godeater-master"
17:14:05*GodEater crosses his fingers
17:14:22Nico_Pdon't I have to clone first ?
17:15:32GodEateroh - you can I guess
17:15:42GodEaterthought you were gonna pull it in as a branch to your existing tree
17:16:19Nico_PCannot get remote repository information.
17:16:19Nico_PPerhaps git-update-server-info needs to be run there?
17:16:32Nico_Pthat was with git clone godeater.cream.org/rockbox.git">http://godeater.cream.org/rockbox.git
17:16:49GodEateryeah I just got that too
17:16:56Nico_Pthe pull command fails because I'm not doing it in a repo dir... I'll try in my own one
17:16:58GodEaterbear with me while I work out what I didn't do ;)
17:17:02Nico_Pok
17:19:14GodEateror try it into an existing tree :)
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17:23:43GodEaterhmm - according to what I've read, I've done everything right :(
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17:26:00GodEaterthe git-update-server-info command should get run when I do the push automatically since I set the post-update hook executable
17:26:04GodEaterbut just in case I ran it anyway
17:26:09GodEatermanually I mean
17:26:12GodEaterand it doesn't seem to help
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17:46:11GodEaterNico_P: ta da - that's cracked it
17:46:14GodEatertry now
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17:50:19kn11pxi need a custom build of rockbox
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17:50:52kn11pxdoes anyone compiled a ultralight version of rockbox for ipod video?
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17:51:05kn11pxi dont need those extra features that suck
17:51:33GodEaterkn11px: good plan, come into our channel and tell us we've published features which suck.
17:51:51kn11pxhaha
17:52:15kn11pxi mean games equalizers and such things
17:52:22kn11pxvideo player...
17:52:32GodEaterif you don't like them, don't use them
17:52:37GodEaterwhy do you need a custom build for that ?
17:52:46kn11pxbecause is there
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17:52:52kn11pxwasting mem and battery
17:52:55kn11pxxD
17:52:58GodEaterno they're not
17:53:03GodEaterif you're not using them they're doing neither
17:53:14kn11pxi dont trust you
17:53:16kn11pxhehe
17:53:23Nico_PGodEater: I tried doing "git svn dcommit" and it told me it needed to update from an old layout, then failed on "Unable to determine upstream SVN information from HEAD history"
17:53:35Nico_Pother than that everything seems fone
17:53:37Nico_Pfine
17:53:40GodEaterNico_P: this is into a fresh repository ?
17:53:46GodEateror as a branch into your existing one ?
17:53:49Nico_Pfresh
17:53:51markunkn11px: you could make a custom build with things like the EQ disabled
17:53:55GodEateryeah - I don't think that'll work
17:54:12Nico_Pwhat git-svn version do you have ?
17:54:16GodEateryou'll have to pull as a branch into your existing one, which knows where the master svn is
17:54:26GodEateron THAT server it's 1.5.1
17:54:30GodEatermy local one 1.5.2.2
17:54:34markunkn11px: and the games and video player etc you can just delete
17:54:38Nico_Pok so basically the same
17:54:40kn11pxyes i can
17:54:51Nico_Pmaybe if I try git-svn init...
17:54:55kn11pxbut before doing it myself i ask if someone else done it before
17:55:02Lloreankn11px: If you plan to disable *all* plugins and remove the plugin buffer you could recover 512kb of RAM, used for buffering audio. Whether this offers an improvement on battery life, or actually hurts it, depends on your play style.
17:55:28markunno, it hasn't been done
17:55:47LloreanThe same holds true with any other code you choose to cut out: Reducing the binary size by removing the equalizer or any other aspect of Rockbox increases the audio buffer, though by nearly trivial amounts comparatively.
17:55:59PaulJamisn't the pluginbuffer also needed by some of the core features? like playlist viewer and database committing?
17:56:00kn11pxi dont even need id3 tag support
17:56:03GodEaterNico_P: I think you could just edit the .git/config for the new repo you just grabbed
17:56:04kn11pxxD
17:56:12GodEaterand add the svn details in there manually
17:56:16markunkn11px: maybe rockbox is not the right program for you
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17:56:32kn11pxhaha
17:56:35markun?
17:56:43LloreanPaulJam: If he wants truly "lite" he could remove the database define, and never view his playlist then.
17:57:05PaulJampropably
17:57:06GodEaterNico_P: copy them from your original git-svn repo's .git/config
17:57:15markunkn11px: do you know how to program in C?
17:57:22Nico_Plooking at that now
17:57:33GodEaterNico_P: I'm leaving work now - will be home shortly - will continue our discussion when I get there :)
17:57:36kn11pxyah
17:57:40kn11pxbut not for an ipod
17:57:44Nico_PGodEater: ok :)
17:58:14kn11pxnever trien in non x86 platform
17:58:19kn11px*tried
17:58:27markunkn11px: the C is the same for all platforms
17:58:45markunthe code
17:58:50kn11pxbut first i must understand how it works
17:58:57kn11pxand then make it do what i want
17:59:06markunif you have an ipod it's a waste of battery to install rockbox anyway
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18:00:02markunyes, unfortunately
18:00:11markunthere are no public documents
18:00:25kn11pxwhat do you mean?
18:00:25markunof the portalplayer CPU (well, SoC)
18:00:50kn11pxdue it has been reversed?
18:01:15markunyes
18:01:35Nico_PLlorean: hi
18:02:03LloreanNico_P: G'day.
18:02:39Nico_PI've been starting real work on my SoC these days
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18:03:10Nico_Pbefore that I was switching computers as I gave my laptop away for repair
18:03:14markunNico_P: great!
18:03:20LloreanGood to hear.
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18:04:01Nico_Pdid JdGordon ellaborate on why his buffering.c attempt was broken, aside from the fact it doesn't compile ?
18:04:26Nico_Pand do you guys know if he's on vacation or something ?
18:05:25LloreanHe was active in here yesterday for a bit, I believe
18:05:33LloreanAs for why it was broken, I haven't heard anything.
18:05:40Nico_Pok
18:06:54LloreanI take it that the BufferingApiProposal will play a part in the MoB work?
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18:08:09Nico_PI think it's a good start... trying to hack MoB into the current playback.c would be a bad idea
18:08:44pondlifeThat's assuming it's a viable idea ;)
18:09:05LloreanWell, it's probably more viable than the current playback.c as he said. ;)
18:09:05Nico_Pinstead I'm first going to separate the buffering from it into buffering.c and most probably implement the buffering API proposal
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18:09:35pondlifeIt was just a suggestion, I expect the API will need revising to be workable.
18:09:50pondlifeGo Nico_P!
18:09:56Nico_PI have a very basic buffering.h you might want to see
18:10:13pondlifeI wish I had time... but I really don't.
18:10:36Nico_Ppondlife: trust me it's very basic :)
18:10:42*pondlife would work out why the sim keeps segfaulting if he had time
18:11:03Nico_Phttp://www.pastebin.ca/595607
18:11:28pondlifeYep, that's basic!
18:11:53pondlifeI guess the reading stuff comes later? And audio_reset_buffer will be renamed..?
18:12:24Nico_Pthe two function are because I started moving some code out of playback.c
18:12:40pondlifeI like the idea of data_type - hadn't considered that.
18:12:43Nico_Pthe main thing I wanted to show is the memory_handle struct
18:13:05pondlifeDo we need the path in there?
18:13:10Nico_PI want to aim for a generic way of storing almost anything in memory and have it easily accessible
18:13:27pondlifeWouldn't a file handle be as usable, and smaller?
18:13:38Nico_Pnot sure about the path but it might be needed to determine if a particular file is in the buffer or not
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18:13:55Nico_Pto avoid having two copies of it
18:14:08pondlifeYep, that is a problem with the current implementation.
18:15:41Nico_Pthe thing is I don't really know whether to start with a standalone program simulating the file buffer or directly tie everything with the rockbox code
18:16:18pondlifeI would work on the rockbox code - you need to be able to migrate over as slowly as possible anyway.
18:16:42Nico_Pwhat do you mean ?
18:17:11Lloreanpondlife: I was thinking the opposite.
18:17:51pondlifeThere will certainly be a big bang at one point (when the playback code is updated to use buffering), but quite a lot of testing could be performed before that point.
18:18:14LloreanGet the buffering code working as a standalone, to work out as many bugs and kinks as possible. Integration can still be slow, but that way the actual functionality can be the focus of the work, rather than battling with any other things that get in the way.
18:18:18Nico_Pyes, that's why I was thinking maybe a standalone app could be nice
18:18:44pondlifeHowabout a plugin?
18:19:49Nico_PI don't see how a plugin is better than a standalone app
18:20:03Nico_Pthe advantage of standalone is that you don't need the player to test it
18:20:14LloreanOr even a sometimes inconsistent simulator. ;)
18:20:45Nico_Pexactly
18:20:47pondlifeAn important part of testing is going to be how multiple threads access the API... i.e. buffering during reading.
18:21:01pondlifeA standalone app would be fine, if you think it needed.
18:21:49pondlifeThe current buffering bugs smell like race conditions, so make sure you simulate that ;)
18:22:34Nico_PI'll try... the problem might be to simulate accurately rockbox's behaviour
18:22:49pondlifeExactly.
18:23:12pondlifeEven the sim doesn't do that
18:23:54Nico_Pthat's because it's an UIsimulator ;)
18:24:11Nico_Pmaybe I could get the rockbox kernel to compile on a computer and use it in a standalone app
18:24:37Nico_Por maybe this is a completely foolish ide
18:24:38Nico_Pa
18:28:26LloreanI guess the question ends up being, would it be better to get the basic framework worked out, then adapt it to any parts of Rockbox's behaviour not anticipated, or simply build it around Rockbox's behaviour in the first place?
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18:33:00mirakbonjour
18:33:07Nico_Psalut !
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18:33:32mirakit seems rockbox is crashing during recording when the harddrive is full
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18:38:36peturmirak: I think it's a known issue
18:38:45mirakok
18:39:21mirakpetur: it would be nice to have space left displayed on the record screen
18:39:27peturI'm pretty sure it's in the tracker as bugreport
18:39:33peturyes
18:40:09peturI have been planning a rec screen rework several times, but I'm holding off until viewports come, no need to do the work twice
18:40:53peturI even think there's a patch for that disk full issue
18:44:06petur*bbl*
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18:51:47amiconnpetur: Crash on full hd with recording is a swcodec-only bug afaik
18:52:03amiconnSo it doesn't have to do with the recording screen, but with the recording engine
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19:00:39Nico_Pdoes rockbox already have a linked list data structure somewhere ?
19:01:12dionoeaisn't austriancoder adding one for his usb stack ?
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19:02:27GodEater_Nico_P: home now
19:02:33GodEater_did we have anything left to try ?
19:03:22Nico_PGodEater_: don't think so... adding the git-svn data from my own repo to the one I cloned from you didn't work
19:04:18GodEater_how about pulling from me into your original git-svn as a seperate branch ?
19:04:57Nico_Pdo you expect that to work ?
19:05:28GodEater_I'll try here and see :)
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20:00:39peturamiconn: that rec screen remark was just for the display of remaining space, I'm sure the disk full problem is somewhere in the encoder thread
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20:05:58amiconn*hunting
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20:31:25DerPapstGood morning everyone :)
20:31:44thommy__hi
20:32:56DerPapstpixelma, dionoea: i've finished the patch for the button defines in the maze plugin. FS #7373
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20:38:41mirakdoes higher compression of flac files is harder to decompress for the cpu ?
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20:39:49amiconnSomewhat
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20:40:36amiconnIn fact it depends on the music.
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20:58:57peturhi
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21:00:22*DerPapst senses a question
21:00:31*petur not
21:02:24DerPapstmaybe a long one?
21:02:36DerPapstbut i guess you're right ;)
21:02:43petur:)
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21:09:22amiconnumm
21:09:30webguest38hmm
21:09:50amiconnBagder: There is a problem with bygg.haxx.se :(
21:09:59amiconnSDL missing
21:11:19amiconnOh, and 3 builds are missing in the download and delta table, although they didn't fail :(
21:11:53DerPapstwoohoo. DerPapst 1:0 petur :P
21:12:16*petur hasn't seen the question yet :p
21:12:22dionoeaDerPapst: ok, i'll have a look at the patch.
21:12:39DerPapstamiconn: well you've missed bagder. he's off for 4 weeks.
21:12:53amiconnbah
21:12:54DerPapstdionoea: thanks :)
21:13:02*amiconn summons Zagor or LinusN
21:13:07DerPapstdionoea: isn't a big one though ;)
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21:14:03DerPapstah snap
21:14:13DerPapstDerPapst 0:1 petur
21:14:25*dionoea gets his iPod
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21:17:15DerPapstamiconn: could you have a look at the patch too? i want to know if it is ook to undef __PLUGINLIB_ACTIONS_H__ the way i did.
21:17:29DerPapsts/ook/ok
21:17:32dionoeaas long as it works :)
21:17:43DerPapsthehe
21:17:49DerPapstit does
21:18:04DerPapstat least it does for me :P
21:18:16dionoeadid you test sims for non ipod targets ?
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21:19:52Caskeyhello?
21:19:55dionoeano.
21:20:11Caskeywhat?
21:20:44CaskeyI have a quick rockbox question about my 5 gen ipod video
21:20:52dionoeanothing ... people usually don't say hello with a question mark
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21:21:34CaskeyI just added more music to my ipod (via itunes) but I cannot find it in my rockbox database
21:21:51Caskeyalso I renamed some songs to find them easier and they have not changed on rockbox
21:22:44Caskeyhow do I get them to appear on rockbox????
21:22:45dionoeaDerPapst: the new keymap works fine here
21:23:30dionoea(the plugin has a foreground color change issue when asking for the solved maze though ... i'll have to fix that)
21:24:15DerPapstdionoea: i noticed that too
21:24:26DerPapsti thought that was on propose :P
21:24:40Caskeycan anyone help me at all?
21:24:44dionoeawell part of it is ...
21:24:58DerPapstCaskey: you brose your music with the filebrowser
21:25:20Caskeyfilebroswer?
21:25:34DerPapstor you have to update the rockbox database (which is independant from the itunesDB)
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21:25:56amiconnAh, hi Zagor
21:26:01amiconnDid you read the log?
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21:26:12CaskeyI think I have to update the database but I don't know how to
21:26:30Zagorno. what have I missed?
21:26:49amiconnbygg.haxx.se is missing sdl
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21:26:54amiconn-> red builds
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21:26:56Zagorahh
21:27:13amiconnAnd for some reason 3 zips are missing, in spite the builds went ok
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21:28:26DerPapstdionoea: the plug in uses the light blueish rockbox color and drawas in white. could you hange that to black?
21:28:58dionoeait draws in black
21:29:13dionoeaexcept if your default foreground color was something else
21:29:22dionoeait draws in the default until you show a solution
21:29:26dionoeaand then it draws in black
21:29:31mirakamiconn: is there a recommended setting for compressing in flac, relatively to size and battery usage ?
21:29:38dionoeawhich is what i'm fixing (to make it always draw in black)
21:30:06DerPapstdionoea: ah ok :)
21:30:41dionoeacommited
21:31:06amiconnmirak: I always use highest compression (flac -8). Our flac decoder is very efficient, and the slightly increased cpu load is probably more than made up by the saved disk spinups
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21:31:39amiconn(lower bitrate -> more time between spinups)
21:31:41Zagoramiconn: zip wasn't installed either. i guess that's why the zips were missing. both fixed now.
21:31:52amiconnuppsss ;)
21:32:19amiconnLooks like you didn't test a build....
21:32:33amiconn(or perhaps just not 'make zip')
21:34:34mirakamiconn: yeah right I forgot the diskspining thanks ;à
21:34:39mirak;)
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21:42:18dionoeaobo: where ?
21:42:34oborocklife.c
21:43:17dionoeahum ... i can't see what's strange :/
21:44:25pixelmal8 : * $Id: helloworld.c 8349 2006-01-15 18:20:18Z amiconn $
21:44:26obodionoea: sorry, not the (c), just the $Id: $ isn't right
21:44:35dionoeaah ok, i'll fix that
21:44:36DerPapstheh
21:44:50DerPapsti saw that too :D funny thing ;)
21:45:19amiconndionoea: You probably forgot to set the svn properties
21:45:38dionoeayeah, fixed it 20 secs ago :)
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21:54:29dionoeawould be nice if we could load states from bmp files (created with rockpaint) for rocklife
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21:56:20madmauricehello guys
21:56:31dionoeahi
21:57:00madmauriceive got a question about the download of rockbox for sansa e200
21:57:30Domonokymadmaurice: just ask..
21:57:59madmauricethe official download is not found by my browser (404 error) can anyone of you give any mirror where to download
21:58:45Domonokyit works for me.. http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-sansae200/rockbox.zip
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21:59:07madmauricek ill try again maybe its because im using firefox?
21:59:11dionoeahttp://videolan.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/rockbox-sansae200.zip
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22:00:26madmauriceoh ok now it works^^ dont know what i did wrong but thanks for now ill come back later if i got any questions about the installation ;)
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22:03:17madmauriceoh 1 more question
22:04:37Domonokymadmaurice: dont ask to ask, just ask..
22:04:39madmauricemy player has the known error which lets the sound play slower than the video. would this also be in rockbox?
22:04:46madmaurice;) kk
22:05:48Domonokyyou mean in the original firmware ? the original firmwar doenst matter for rockbox..
22:06:09amiconndionoea: RED
22:06:20madmauriceno^^
22:06:26dionoeaoops
22:06:48madmauricea little percent of these players have a little bug or error or like this i dont know much better
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22:07:37Domonokymadmaurice: video playpack is software (at least in rockbox) so the OF doesnt matter..
22:08:03madmauricebut i lets the sound play slower than the picture when looking a video first only a little bit than when looking for example 5 minutes there is a difference of 20 seconds
22:08:19madmauriceits not a firmware error
22:08:27LloreanWhy do you believe it isn't?
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22:09:27LloreanRockbox decodes video entirely in software. Even if it's not a firmware error in the original firmware, if they have hidden some sort of decoder chip that has the problem, Rockbox doesn't use it.
22:09:38madmauriceive read several posts to solve that but i could. in some posts they said sandisk told it is a device error in a little percent of these players
22:09:48amiconnI would think it's a bug in the broadcom chip or firmware
22:09:58Lloreanamiconn: Sansas, no broadcom chp.
22:10:05amiconnoops
22:10:43LloreanThough the PP5024 advertisement pamphlet thingy suggests it has some sort of video decoding capability, but is unclear whether it's software or hardware, the assumption being that it's just fast enough for software decoding.
22:10:44madmauriceit was just a question but if you think it'ill be alright then i trust you ;)
22:11:34Domonokymadmaurice: just try the video funktion of rockbox, then you will know ( but video isnt really ready in rockbox )
22:11:54LloreanDomonoky: It's pretty ready these days, as long as you don't need ff/rw/resume
22:12:00LloreanAt least on a number of players.
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22:12:06Llorean(That number is at least 3)
22:12:14dionoeaamiconn: i don't understand the memcpy error :/
22:12:31*Domonoky has a h120 so video isnt great :-)
22:13:23amiconnLlorean: Imho video isn't ready in rockbox except for archos and gigabeat
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22:13:29dionoeaBagder: would be neat if you added javascript to automatically decrease the svn build timer and reload the page when it reaches 0 :)
22:13:34amiconn(and maybe h10 small)
22:14:05amiconnEverything else doesn't manage standard framerates w/o skipping
22:14:16Lloreanamiconn: It's quite decent on the Nano and Sansa, though the Sansa can't keep up with 30fps fullscreen yet, I believe.
22:14:32LloreanIt's pulled of 29.97 on my Nano fairly reliably at 4:3
22:14:56amiconnOk, then perhaps a few more targets with small colour screens are ok
22:15:00LloreanYeah
22:15:17LloreanIt does still need a lot of work, of course
22:15:21madmauriceok... a problem more: the sansapatcher doesn't find my e250 O_o
22:15:27amiconnI deem 25 fps as sufficient btw, living in a PAL region of the worlds
22:15:34amiconn-s
22:15:44LloreanAh, well if 25fps is sufficient the Sansa is fine, I think
22:16:04amiconnThe 10..11fps on video and H300 are far from that :(
22:16:08LloreanWith the Gigabeat, 25fps is all you get anyway, right?
22:16:27markunLlorean: yes
22:16:28*dionoea gets 20 fps on video
22:16:36dionoeawith the wide screen elephant dreams
22:16:41dionoeaor something close to that value
22:16:43amiconnfullscreen...
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22:18:48madmauriceok... a problem more: the sansapatcher doesn't find my e250 O_o
22:18:57dionoeaamiconn: about the remaining red builds, i don't see why they don't like the rb->memcpy function
22:19:03dionoeaany idea ?
22:19:25amiconnIt's not rb->memcpy
22:19:39dionoea?
22:19:44amiconngcc tries to use memcpy directly (that's documented behaviour)
22:19:56dionoeaso i need the special define thingy ?
22:19:57amiconnThat's not possible in plugins.
22:20:05amiconnA define won't help
22:20:25dionoeawell memcpy works fine in other plugins
22:20:42markunamiconn: why not?
22:20:53amiconnYou have 2 options: (1) a wrapper. (2) find the place where gcc tries to use memcpy, and use rb->memcpy() explicitly there
22:21:44amiconnmarkun: A #define only covers explicit usage.
22:21:58dionoeai meant: MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb);
22:22:01dionoeawould that fix it ?
22:22:07dionoea(i can't remember what that does)
22:22:15amiconnIt does (1)
22:22:50amiconn"special define thingy" wasn't clear
22:22:54dionoea:)
22:22:55amiconnenough
22:24:47madmauriceexcuse me?
22:25:14madmauricewhat can i do if the sansapatcher doesnt find my e250?
22:25:52*dionoea doesn't know
22:26:38madmauricehmm... is there any other method to install rockbox? ive read about an "old" way of installation or sth like that
22:26:44Lloreanmadmaurice: What operating system, is it an e250 or e250R?
22:26:54madmauricee250R
22:26:58LloreanThe R is not supported
22:27:03madmaurice:(
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22:27:10LloreanIt says this on the front page of the site.
22:27:13madmauricewhy not?
22:27:25LloreanBecause nobody has figured out how to get it to run unofficial code, yet
22:28:02Bagderdionoea: that assumes I would know such javascript magic, which I don't...
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22:28:31dionoeaBagder: if i gave you the magic would you apply it ?
22:28:31madmauriceafaik sansa contacted you to port your firmware for their e200 series. can't they tell you?
22:28:55DerPapstBagder: i thought you are off for 4 weeks ^^
22:28:58Bagderdionoea: sure, but it would need some interesting logic for the case the time differs
22:29:06BagderDerPapst: not off, on vacation ;-)
22:29:26Bagderall my family sleep now
22:29:38Bagder...
22:29:39Lloreanmadmaurice: They contacted us, but have not provided any real help.
22:29:43LloreanBeyond some hardware.
22:29:49DerPapstahhhh :P
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22:30:19Cianhello?
22:30:31dionoeaBagder: when is the page updated server side ? on commits and when all the builds are done ?
22:30:46Bagderdionoea: when all builds are done
22:31:03CianNoob question; How do I install a new theme? I've downloaded a theme to my desktop...whats the next step?!
22:31:05madmauriceLlorean k :( sry disturbing you all with my stupid questions. i thought e250 and e250R are exactly the same expect of the Rhapsody thingy. bye guys
22:31:06Bagderthen it checks for new commits every 60 seconds and rebuilds when found
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22:31:20dionoeaok
22:31:37dionoeais that page in svn somewhere ? (so i can make a clean diffà)
22:32:19dionoeaCian: you unzip the theme on your player
22:33:16Cianin the .rockbox folder? yeah i read that somewhere but still wasnt sure. Does it unzip and sort itself out? Or should I unzip in a specific folder?!
22:33:34Bagderdionoea: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/showbuilds.pl?view=markup
22:33:39dionoeai think that most themes need to be unziped in the root folder, not in .rockbox
22:33:43Bagderi.e in the www subdir instead of trunk
22:33:52dionoeaBagder: ok, i'll checkout that dir
22:34:01amiconnBagder: Oh, is that in use again now?
22:34:11Bagderamiconn: not really, no
22:34:17XavierGrdo all people care only about iPhone these days or is it digg so stupid that has half its topics about the damn thing?
22:34:21Bagderbut I've committed stuff in there to allow people to see
22:34:49amiconnHmm, btn...
22:35:51CianSorry about the noob questions...but can anyone confirm whether I should unzip a theme .zip folder in the ipod root folder?
22:36:58PaulJamCian: does the .zip contain a .rockbox folder?
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22:37:24CianPaulJam: Yeah it does
22:37:43PaulJamthen extract it to the root like you were told before
22:38:35Cianok sweet. its extracted now.
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22:40:34peturyou are now in #hello
22:40:37webguest08Hey I loaded ROCKbox up and it worked just fine until........I played a video and now my IPOD is stuck there is a warning on the screen "Data abort at 400013EC" and the IPOD is frozen any thoughts on how to unstick it
22:40:56Ciandid you try resetting?
22:41:14peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash
22:41:14webguest08Did I mention that pushing the keys does nothing
22:41:14Cian(hold Menu and Select for 30+ seconds_
22:42:05CianSo are all themes stored in the root folder? Or does rockbox sort it out when I 'play' it?
22:42:18webguest08thank you
22:42:29webguest08that worked fine
22:42:33Ciancool
22:42:38webguest08so does ROCKbox support video
22:42:41peturCian: no, the theme zip files contain the correct tree structure (or should)
22:42:43mud-rbclan, you just saw that the .zip had a .rockbox filder
22:42:43PaulJamCian: normally the zips contain the correct directory structure
22:44:10CianI extracted the file, and now the unzipped folder is in the root.
22:44:52PaulJamCian: there should have already been a .rockbox folder before...
22:45:39Cianyeah there was. so do I drag the .rockbox file that is in the theme zip file into the root?
22:46:02peturthat's a directory, not a file
22:46:17Cianyeah
22:46:31Cianthats what i meant sorry
22:46:36mud-rbi though u said you already extracted it?
22:46:41mud-rbdid it not work?
22:46:56DerPapsthey mud-rb :)
22:47:04peturjust unzip to your player and the files get to the correct subdirs in the .rockbox tree
22:47:06mud-rbhey DerPapst :)
22:47:28Cianmud-rb: I extracted it but nothing happend. the unzipped theme folder (yobunny) is sitting in the root now
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22:47:53Cianand then when i click into that folder, I see the .rockbox folder
22:48:05peturCian: link to theme?
22:48:30mud-rbClan: you were supposed to unzip the .zip into the root directory, not into a named folder in the root directory
22:48:45Cianpetur: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/yobunny.zip
22:48:52mud-rbDerPapst: haha i totally forgot what i was supposed to ask you, do you remember? i just woke up
22:49:29peturthe zip looks fine (except for the source dir you don't need)
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22:50:10peturCian: get a better unzip tool or tell it to unzip the .rockbox dir in the zip to the root of your player
22:50:44DerPapstmud-rb: button configs for your plugin (iPod)
22:50:46CianI think I got it thanks very much. I didnt realise .zip files extracted themselves in that
22:50:47Cianway
22:50:59PaulJamin most zip tools you can just open the zip and drag and drop the .rockbox folder to the root of the device
22:51:08mud-rbDerPapst: oh yeah!! haha...actually i kind of came up with something, but i have no idea if it's even usable
22:51:19mud-rbDerPapst: it works in the simulator, but i'm not sure that means much
22:51:39Cianpetur: Can I delete the source dir from the root?
22:51:47peturyes
22:51:50DerPapstnormally if it works in the sim it works on the dap too (button wise)
22:51:55Ciangreat. Thanks very much for your help :)
22:52:20mud-rboh really? okay. i guess that's fine then
22:52:38petur"By far my weirdest WPS" <−− that theme is indeed... yuck
22:52:50webguest08Just asking does ROCKbox support Video on the Video IPOD
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22:54:02peturwebguest08: yes, but slooow
22:54:24*DerPapst adds some ooos
22:54:25webguest08so no
22:54:37DerPapstwebguest08: about 1 fps
22:54:40DerPapst*1
22:54:42DerPapstgah
22:54:44webguest08thank you
22:54:45DerPapst*10
22:54:59BagderI suspect DerPapst has a german origin ;-)
22:55:23*petur guessed after seeing his nick the first time
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22:55:37Bagderwhat is papst in german anyway?
22:55:43peturpope
22:55:47Bagderaah
22:55:52peturder means the
22:56:00DerPapsthehe
22:56:09*Bagder learnt german for 5 years, many moons ago in school
22:56:35*petur somehow managed to learn 4 languages
22:56:48DerPapstwell then you speak at least as good german as i speak french :-D
22:57:07DerPapstpetur: you're too 1337 for us
22:57:30*petur goes looking for a corner
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22:59:37DerPapstpetur: Belgian, English, German and French?
22:59:38CianGuys, if a theme .zip doesnt have a .rockbox directory, how do you install it?
22:59:40Bagderhey, find your own spot!
22:59:52DerPapstahahaa
23:00
23:00:32peturDerPapst: yes, except that 'Belgian' doesn't exist, it's called Dutch (or Flemmish)
23:00:37*pixelma learned 4 languages as well ;)
23:00:52peturCian: link?
23:01:16pixelmathe stress is on "learned" ... not "speak"
23:01:23Cianpeture: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/blackGlass_nonaa_v103.zip
23:02:03peturCian: thos must be unzipped inside the .rockbox dir
23:02:09peturthose*
23:02:36mud-rbi don't suppose there's any way for a plguin to get notification that the user is shutting down the player, correct?
23:02:46DerPapstpetur: ah. wasn't sure about that ;)
23:02:51peturCian: also try RockboxUtility, it can also install themes
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23:03:26CianThank you again Petur
23:03:40Lloreanmud-rb: I'm pretty sure the only cases in which a player can be shut down while still in a plugin are those where there's a hardware shutdown (like Menu+Select on the iPods, or long-power on Sansa)
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23:04:18mud-rbllorean: haha yeah, there's no chance for plugin to do cleanup in those cases, right?
23:04:46DerPapstmud-rb: not really
23:04:49amiconnthere is
23:04:56*DerPapst shuts up
23:05:01Lloreanmud-rb: The Sansa requires holding it for 15 seconds, plenty of time to clean up and exit.
23:05:03DerPapstand hides ;)
23:05:18peturout of my corner!
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23:05:26amiconnIf you use defaulr_event_handler_ex() for handling system events in your event loop, you can pass a callback
23:05:28Bagderthere's some room to the left of my corner...
23:05:42mud-rbllorean: ...my sansa does the normal "Shutting down" if i just hold power for about 5 seconds, maybe less
23:05:55*DerPapst goes to the left of bagders corner...
23:06:08DerPapstaww.. her's GodEater :-D
23:06:09amiconnBut the sleanup shouldn't take too long, as there's a safety timeout in the shutdown routine (to avoid hanging forever)
23:06:14DerPapst*here's
23:06:15amiconnYou have a few seconds
23:06:32mud-rbah okay, thanks amiconn...yeah it shouldn't take long at all, i just want to throw some state in a file
23:06:43Lloreanmud-rb: Yes, but try doing that somewhere you can't shutdown by holding power, for example, while it's frozen, and you'll find there's a 15 second hardware shutdown on that button too
23:07:27mud-rbllorean: ah yeah, sorry that's not the case i wanted to handle though, just the normal poweroff...if a user really wants my plugin to die that bad i don't think i care about saving state
23:07:58LloreanYou should always be able to handle a normal poweroff, I think.
23:08:18mud-rbthe way amiconn mentioned, right?
23:08:46LloreanHe would know far better than I.
23:08:53mud-rbah okay :) thanks all
23:09:11mud-rbi'll give that a go...not really a major need for my plugin but i might as well do it i figure, meh...
23:10:09amiconnInteresting... the apple bl sets the PLL to 80MHz
23:10:13amiconn80, not 75
23:10:31LloreanOn your mini?
23:10:40amiconn(but it doesn't enable this clock by default - it connects the cpu core to the idle clock, which is set to 24MHz
23:10:47amiconnmini g1
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23:12:49dionoeaBagder: dionoea/countdown.php">http://adsl.cellerier.net/~dionoea/countdown.php
23:13:20Bagderfancy!
23:14:31dionoeawhen the counter reaches 0 it reloads. I still need to make it handle negative times correctly (else it'll reload every second which is a bit too much)
23:15:26peturwhen it reaches zero it should print a funny note like 'what? taking so long to build? we need another buildserver!'
23:15:45DerPapsthehe
23:16:08Bagderdionoea: yeah, quite often it will take longer than estimated so it need to handle that nicely
23:16:44LloreanJust estimate two minutes longer than the usual estimation, then let people be pleasantly surprised.
23:17:04Bagderhaha
23:17:11dionoeai'll tell it to wait at least 10 seconds before it can ask a reload
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23:19:05dionoeatimes in the js are in UTC so there shouldn't be any errors due to different timezones in the client / server sides
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23:21:39*DerPapst is watching some rocklife fun at −−zoom 4 (which eats up lots of CPU power)
23:21:45roietripHi... why when adding/deleting songs the database ain't updating?
23:23:13dionoeaBagder: if you reload the page it now prints something nice if time is < 0 and tries reloading every 10 secs
23:23:42DerPapstafaik you have to tell rockbox to update the database (not sure tought. never used it much nor read the manual about the datagbase)
23:24:20roietrip10x guys. yes it wasn't auto updating
23:25:11PaulJamroietrip: if you regularly use the database i would suggest you to enable autoupdate and load to ram (and also dircache)
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23:28:04webguest41yesterday my ipod crashed-couldnt do anything on it, and left it to dry its batteries because i couldnt reset it, and today i got the normal ipod fw loaded, all the fw files are missing from my ipod
23:28:37peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash
23:28:45webguest41and i cant remember the "pack" i had installed
23:28:51roietripanother Q: when viewing picture, how do I go back to the file explorer?
23:29:10roietripon Sansa
23:29:21dionoeaBagder: since i pretty much don't know perl would you mind putting that in your script ? (only changes needed to the html code are the onload= call in the <body> tag, an include of the js script, and a <span id='countdown_text'> ... </span> where hte text needs to be updated)
23:29:23DerPapstwebguest41: with fw files you mean rockbox?
23:29:36webguest41yes
23:29:37PaulJamroietrip: that should be explained in the manual.
23:30:06webguest41i dont remember the author of the pack i ve downloaded, it included some themes as well
23:30:20DerPapstwebguest41: well just read the manual at pint 2 for installing rockbox. it also has a link to the rockbox version you need.
23:30:48DerPapstwebguest41: ah so you want to use an unofficial built?
23:31:08webguest41yes i liked the included themes :/
23:31:25Bagderdionoea: sure, I'll take care of it. just not immediately since I'm off to bed in a few minutes, but I'll make sure to have a go at it very soon
23:31:26webguest41i found it in the forum in the past, but that was months ago..
23:31:43dionoeaBagder: ok.
23:31:47DerPapstwebguest41: then check out the unofficial builds section in the forums.
23:32:22peturanyway, I can't believe rockbox just vanishes from your ipod
23:32:42webguest41i was surprised as well
23:32:52peturdid you recover it with itunes?
23:32:52DerPapstwebguest41: ah. then i can't help you. there are lots of different unofficial builds and i don't use any of them. so i don't know which you've used.
23:33:53webguest41it was senab i think
23:33:58*petur fails to understand the directory paste code
23:35:24*DerPapst wondery why his firewall always asks him ater a certain amount of time if he allows rockboxui.exe to connect to the insternet.
23:35:34amiconndionoea: Your script needs some checks whether the browser supports the used methods/properties
23:35:38DerPapstwhat piece of spyware is in rockbox?!
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23:35:46amiconnRunning into js errors isn't nice
23:35:46dionoeaamiconn: doesn't work in IE ?
23:35:57amiconnIt works in IE5 and up
23:36:07dionoeaso what doesn't it work with ?
23:36:12amiconnIE4
23:36:22dionoea...
23:36:26DerPapstamiconn: you have still IE4 on your pc to test that? :D
23:36:39amiconnIt's not a matter of where it works or not, it's just a question of clean js coding
23:36:56amiconnDerPapst: I even have IE3 just in case...
23:37:06DerPapst.... o.O
23:37:09amiconnI have IE3, 4, 5, 5.5, 6 and 7
23:37:19amiconnANd numerous other browsers
23:37:56*DerPapst is speechless
23:38:41dionoeaamiconn: what js error do you get ?
23:39:28amiconnThe object doesn't support this property / method (that's my own translation)
23:39:34dionoeawhich line ?
23:39:45amiconnline 6, char 5
23:40:08amiconngetElementById()
23:40:39DerPapstamiconn: already installed safari?
23:40:52amiconnnope
23:40:55dionoeahum, quirksmode doesn't even mention IE 4 :/
23:40:57amiconnAfaik that's mac only
23:41:07LloreanThere was a windows release recently
23:41:14amiconndionoea: IE4 doesn't support the dom this way
23:41:18DerPapstamiconn: not anymore
23:41:25amiconnAh ok
23:41:35amiconnSafari is KHTML based iirc
23:41:46DerPapstamiconn: last WWDC they introduces safari for windows. about 1 or 2 weeks ago.
23:42:05DerPapst*introduced
23:42:11Bagderand in two hours there were a bazillion flaws published...
23:42:27*DerPapst 's typos are getting worse than JdGordon's
23:43:10*amiconn has 6 browsers (plus the mentioned IE versions) on his windows PC and 3 on his Amiga for testing web pages
23:43:38amiconnAnd sometimes I also test on knoqueror, but I don't have that installed here
23:43:38DerPapstthat's a lot.
23:43:38dionoeaamiconn: can you try it again in IE4 please ?
23:44:12DerPapsti only know maybe 5 ;)
23:44:28amiconnNow it breaks in line 8
23:44:44amiconnDerPapst: I even know more browsers than I have installed
23:44:54amiconnI left out Mosaic, Lynx, ...
23:45:15DerPapsts/5/6 i just remebered lynx :P
23:45:26dionoeaamiconn: and now ?
23:45:29DerPapstMosaic.. never heared of it
23:45:40dionoeafirst browser ever
23:46:19webguest41well
23:46:23DerPapsti know IE, mozilla, opera, konqueror, lynx, ummm forgot the 6th one.
23:46:32webguest41it looks after reinstalling the bootloader, i got rockbox working fine again
23:46:33dionoealinks, w3m ?
23:46:37amiconndionoea: works :)
23:46:41dionoeacool :)
23:46:49dionoeaNow we need to test the reload
23:46:58dionoeaI'll move the target 7 minutes forward
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23:47:14dionoeacan you reload the page so it updates the target time ?
23:48:15amiconn"Builds should have been done..."
23:48:26dionoeaand is it reloading every 10 sec ?
23:48:30amiconnAnd it seems to reload (flickers)
23:48:35dionoeagreat :)
23:48:46dionoeaso the only IE4 rockbox user can now check the build table!
23:49:00dionoeawell, will be able to when it's updated
23:49:59***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:50:01*amiconn has some quite exotic browsers installed
23:50:04 Quit petur ("Zzzzz")
23:50:14amiconnLike Hotjava and Espial Escape
23:51:56DerPapstnever heared of them
23:52:02dionoeado you have all the Opera versions installed too ?!?
23:52:30amiconnOnly 6 and 7
23:52:44amiconn7 works, 6 shows the non-javascript default text
23:52:53amiconn..even though js is enabled
23:53:02amiconnNetscape 4 throws js errors
23:53:10dionoeadoes 6 mention any error ?
23:54:04amiconnyes
23:54:17amiconnReference to undefined variable: No such variable 'countdown_refresh'
23:54:49dionoeain the onload call ?
23:55:39amiconnIt just shows this js error when loading or reloading the page
23:55:51amiconnThe page text then shows the non-js text
23:55:57amiconnNo line numbers...
23:56:42 Quit webguest41 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
23:56:55dionoealooks like opera 6 doesn't support external js scripts
23:57:48 Quit mud-rb ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12")
23:58:59amiconndionoea: It does

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