#rockbox 2007-06-30

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#rockbox log for 2007-06-30

00:00:07	amiconn	Took me a while to find out....
00:00:27	amiconn	Btw, this game works on nearly every js capable browser
00:00:32	dionoea	well ... nobody uses opera6 anymore i guess
00:01:37	amiconn	IE 4 and up, Nescape 3, 4, Mozilla/Firefox and derivates, Opera 6 (maybe lower versions as well, untested), AWeb, Konqueror
00:03:29	dionoea	haha, this is awesome http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/9505/
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00:04:16	amiconn	Then only browsers I couldn't make it work in are Voyager (Amiga), IBrowse (Amiga), Hotjava and Espial Escape
00:04:33	amiconn	Hotjava is a very buggy browser anyway, lots of fun there with css
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00:09:43	DerPapst	amiconn: wow... these are some cool minesweeper versions :-D
00:09:58	amiconn	:)
00:10:18	amiconn	The whole game logic is a single 30KB javascript
00:10:56	DerPapst	nice :D wanna port it ro rockbox :P
00:13:48	DerPapst	nice script :)
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00:18:06	chrisjs169	Can someone test something for me?
00:18:23	chrisjs169	(Possible bug with Sansa)
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00:28:44	webguest24	What is the working state of nano second gen. i need to kill the apple os
00:29:02	dionoea	apple os 1 - rockbox 0 for the time being
00:29:14	webguest24	ha ha ha very funaye
00:29:21	dionoea	basically the nano 2 is completely different hardware
00:29:31	webguest24	does rock box wrok at all for the nano second gen??
00:29:36	dionoea	and better firmware encryption afaik
00:29:46	dionoea	so no one knows how to run custom code on it yet
00:29:53	dionoea	so rockbox doesn't work
00:30:11	webguest24	do you know of any software that will work on the 2nd gen??
00:30:24	dionoea	none other then the apple os
00:30:46	dionoea	there's a thread in the new ports section of the rockbox forums if you need more details
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01:43:28	preglow	amiconn: anything new?
01:45:09	preglow	oops, bbl
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02:31:03	DerPapst	good night at all :)
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03:16:20	webguest89	hey guys... i have a sansa e260 with rb on it and a plugin crashed... how do i reboot the thing without opening it up to take out the battery?
03:16:39	mud-rb	hold power for 15 seconds
03:17:16	webguest89	cool thanks... (btw i've only used the software for less than a day now) but so far it seems pretty cool
03:17:38	mud-rb	np
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03:59:25	bizzy	hey all
03:59:49	bizzy	anyone online?
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04:00:12	mud-rb	sorry, we're all bizzy
04:00:33	bizzy	haha
04:00:36	bizzy	pretty funny
04:00:56	bizzy	i have a quick question
04:02:37	*	mud-rb is eagerly waiting
04:02:44	bizzy	anyone able to help - I have Gigabeat S30 and I can't find the CD that came with it - so I can't even see it on my computer - anyone know where to find it?
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04:05:08	bizzy	also - am i able to replace the battery with a longer lasting one?
04:06:54	bizzy	?
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04:10:38	bizzy	mud-rb?
04:11:21	mud-rb	i have no idea, and i'm not willing to go look it up
04:13:22	bizzy	ok - do you know anywhere i could find out if i can replace the battery?
04:13:32	mud-rb	http://www.google.com
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04:14:29	bizzy	haha thanks
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05:43:32	GrantinatorPlus	Hey gang, I'm totally new to irc. do I just submit my questions here?
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05:46:15	ansivirus	yep
05:46:30	ansivirus	if someone knows the answer they'll let you know....
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05:52:38	chrisjs169	or not...
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06:14:12	ansivirus	more than likely :)
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06:17:17	w0rd54	I tried using EvilG's latest build on my newly purchased apple 5thgen 80GB ipod
06:17:39	w0rd54	it boots goes to menu but I cannot select anything...any suggestions?
06:18:30	scorche	those builds are called unsupported builds for a reason...
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06:19:26	w0rd54	ha yeah....
06:19:31	w0rd54	fuck.
06:19:35	w0rd54	wanted to get this album art working
06:20:00	scorche	ask in his thread in the unsupported builds forum
06:20:16	w0rd54	k.
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06:26:03	t0dk0n	Does the rockbox.ipod still go in the root directory of the ipod? or does it now go into the .rockbox on the ipod and I need a new bootloader update?
06:26:17	t0dk0n	I haven't updated for a few months
06:26:18	t0dk0n	lol
06:27:57	scorche	it now resides in the .rockbox folder
06:28:08	t0dk0n	okie dokie
06:28:17	t0dk0n	Do I need a new boot loader though?
06:28:31	scorche	likely
06:29:08	t0dk0n	alright
06:29:19	t0dk0n	well, I'll see what happens first without updating it
06:29:20	t0dk0n	thanks
06:29:45	scorche	well, it will likely work, but you will get data abort errors at times
06:30:25	t0dk0n	ahh
06:30:44	t0dk0n	I updated the boot loader like 2/3 months ago
06:30:53	jhMikeS	does the Major Changes page update itself or something? :P
06:38:56	t0dk0n	has there been any battery life improvements with the ipod build?
06:39:57	scorche	slightly, but not much
06:40:15	t0dk0n	ahh
06:40:16	scorche	there really wont be till we figure out what is draining it all
06:40:41	t0dk0n	yeah
06:40:50	t0dk0n	oh well, I'm thinking of getting a zen vision w
06:41:04	scorche	no rockbox there
06:41:08	t0dk0n	I love rockbox though
06:41:10	t0dk0n	lol yeah, I know
06:41:24	t0dk0n	but their propriety firmware is nice enough to make up for it
06:41:27	t0dk0n	sort of
06:41:55	scorche	if you think so...i dont think anything can really compare to something that you can tweak to your own liking
06:42:28	t0dk0n	which is why I said sort of :P
06:43:13	t0dk0n	but perhaps someone in the future will make rockbox builds for the creative lines
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08:36:25	chrisjs169	what's up with the tracker?
08:36:58	chrisjs169	nevermind
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09:32:42	amiconn	whoa
09:33:16	amiconn	jhMikeS: The sd card patch decreased binsize by 10KB for sansa?!?
09:38:31	Battousai	well it is micro sd ;)
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09:41:31	]RowaN[	guys where can i find info on that recent commit that allows different lines of text to be different colours? i cant see anything on the customWPS page
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09:59:57	linuxstb_	]RowaN[: I don't think it's documented yet, but I remember a forum thread about it.
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10:00:50	linuxstb_	amiconn: Any progress with the PP CPU clocking?
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10:03:27	pixelma	]RowaN[: and it's not a feature for the wps yet
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10:05:52	]RowaN[	oh, where is it used, menus?
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10:07:51	pixelma	yes - a bit like the icons. You can specify different colours for different filesize but I don't know more (and how to) myself
10:08:06	pixelma	s/filesize/filetypes
10:08:19	petur	what does gcc produce if you assign structs to each other (ie not doing a memcpy)?
10:08:59	amiconn	It either uses memcpy, or some specialised block copy functions, or inlined block copy
10:09:13	amiconn	Depending on struct size, optimisation level, and cpu arch
10:09:26	petur	ok
10:10:47	]RowaN[	has anyone looked into finding a lcd flip mode for sansa lcd controller?
10:11:15	pixelma	]RowaN[: I'm sorry - my statement wasn't clear. It's not used in the menus but in the filebrowser I then....
10:11:56	midkay	actually, what i'd really like to ask, is has anyone found an lcd mirror mode for any of the lcd controllers?
10:13:45	midkay	nobody? who wouldn't like to read their filenames and id3 tags in a mirrored state?
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10:15:35	n1s	mornin'
10:15:56	]RowaN[	well, if you want people to be able to read your WPS in their rear view mirror then mirror mode would be useful. but im just talking about lcd flip - coz i have my sansa round my next and when i look down at the screenwps its obviously upside down
10:16:34	JdGordon	jhMikeS: nice work :)
10:16:36	amiconn	midkay: There is nothing special to find.
10:16:50	midkay	]RowaN[: now there's a truly practical reason for an lcd mirror mode. and i think a lot more people find themselves reading their displays through mirrors rather than upside-down, so sorry, i think mirror mode will take priority over flip.
10:17:08	amiconn	All LCD controllers we have datasheets for can mirror horizontally and vertically. Flip is nothing else than both combined
10:17:39	scorche	midkay: when a device is in your pocket, flip is handy
10:17:43	midkay	why doesn't rockbox have a mirror mode then.
10:17:54	midkay	scorche: unfortunately, pocketed devices are far more rare than mirror-viewed devices.
10:18:01	scorche	>_>
10:18:11	midkay	so i think we need a mirror mode immediately.
10:18:19	scorche	then code it
10:18:30	]RowaN[	some rockbox ports do? i think i remember it on my old iriver h120 i think
10:18:36	*	petur has yet to see any practical use for mirror mode
10:18:43	midkay	scorche: you code it.
10:18:48	midkay	oh come on. mirror viewing.
10:18:50	midkay	it's the future!
10:18:51	scorche	midkay: i am not the one that wants it
10:19:09	midkay	scorche: not everybody who wants something codes it. and not everybody who codes something wants it.
10:19:22	*	petur still not sees it - no real arguments given
10:19:27	*	pixelma wonders what midkay drank
10:19:48	midkay	haha.
10:19:51	]RowaN[	midkay humour is not allowed in this channel, read the rules and oBey!
10:19:57	petur	mirror-drugs
10:20:14	midkay	petur: oh come on. have you never found yourself staring at your rockboxed device through a mirror?
10:20:17	scorche	pixelma: from the cup of youthful thinking
10:20:24	petur	n e v e r
10:21:31	midkay	petur: weird. i don't think your vote counts because you're obviously biased against mirror-viewing.
10:24:37	petur	midkay: I just did a whois to make sure it's actually you... never heard you talk such a nonsense in the past
10:24:39	midkay	no other objections? alright, it's pretty safe to assume that everyone else wants this mode...
10:26:43	amiconn	(; saedi driew sah yakdim
10:27:09	scorche	this is new how?
10:27:13	midkay	see? amiconn can speak Mirror!
10:27:21	midkay	amiconn: come on, code it up! you have the know-how! :D
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10:27:54	midkay	yes!
10:27:57	midkay	no! :(
10:28:12	midkay	i was just going to switch my display adapter into mirrored mode. we could communicate that way!
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10:40:48	midkay	!edom rorrim deen ew yhw ees uoy won :rutep
10:41:32	pixelma	scorche: no, at the beginning it may have been funny but it becomes just stupid now.... :P
10:41:33	ehcrocs	rutep strofmoc em/
10:41:40	*	JdGordon hopes you guys are doing that in a script....
10:41:53	ehcrocs	t'nsi em/
10:41:59	JdGordon	you wierdo :p
10:42:13	midkay	!i ma rehtien
10:42:51	ehcrocs	truh niarb ym gnikam si siht :nodroGdJ
10:43:19	*	petur adds his nick in mirror to the highlight list of his irc client
10:43:38	ehcrocs	retaehc...hguoht pleh evah uoy
10:43:41	midkay	!yrotciv .ahah
10:43:53	JdGordon	soo.... anyone interesting in getting the recording dir patch commited? we need 7222 or the other one OK-ed first....
10:44:27	ehcrocs	emas eht gnikniht saw i :rutep
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10:45:29	pixelma	JdGordon: I'd like to try on my Ondio first
10:45:40	pixelma	had forgotten the patch
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10:47:30	JdGordon	I havnt touched it in ages, but I'd really like to get an ok for the fat filename checking patch sometime soon...
10:48:13	pixelma	which fat check patch should I apply?
10:48:52	JdGordon	either of them
10:49:06	JdGordon	7222 is my one, dunno the number of the other one
10:49:17	JdGordon	they do exactly the same thing
10:50:44	pixelma	hmm... but I want to test a "clean" svn before... in the unlikely case that the microSD patch had some strange effect...
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10:51:47	JdGordon	I dont think it would
10:52:28	JdGordon	both ondios have the mmc right?
10:52:41	JdGordon	the diff is funny, one wnt up and one went down on the sdpatch build :p
10:52:43	pixelma	sure, but one can't record
10:53:58	pixelma	if you mean the build table - there seem to be differences depending on what build server compiled the build...
10:56:50	amiconn	JdGordon: What is weird is that the microsd patch decreased the sansa binsize, and not only slightly...
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10:59:24	JdGordon	the ata driver was completly redone for the sansa which is why...
10:59:34	amiconn	aha
10:59:48	JdGordon	well, I assume thats why
10:59:52	amiconn	Is the new driver fster? I spotted some asm...
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11:00:02	amiconn	*faster
11:00:16	JdGordon	I dont know if anyone has tested
11:02:03	pixelma	at least the recdir patch doesn't apply cleanly anymore (/me lazy)
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11:02:33	JdGordon	ok
11:03:30	*	JdGordon wonders why BOOTDIR is defined if its only used in 1 file in apps
11:04:58	amiconn	Because that's almost always better than using magic constants scattered all over
11:05:16	JdGordon	is there any way we can pass some data from the bootloader to rockbox?
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11:15:52	XavierGr	amiconn: your vmware image is set to german layout :\ do you know how to change that?
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11:17:17	XavierGr	also why did you change the name of the image? to login from ssh you must use the name debbox (which will confuse those that will upgrade to it from the old one)
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11:19:16	XavierGr	also it seems that I can't login with username: user and password "rockbox" do you know the user password or you can only log in with root?
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11:19:52	desowin	XavierGr: vmware image for compiling rockbox ?
11:20:05	XavierGr	yes
11:20:29	desowin	is cygwin really that slow ?
11:20:36	XavierGr	yes it is
11:21:52	desowin	ouch, compiling on windows must be painful
11:22:02	XavierGr	well not with the vmware image
11:22:07	scorche	vmware is quite easy with samba
11:22:11	XavierGr	indeed
11:22:24	XavierGr	not to mention that now I don't use the vmware interface at all
11:22:29	XavierGr	just putty for commandline
11:22:37	XavierGr	and windows explorer to get the files
11:23:02	scorche	i have my editor pulling files from the network share and saving it over the network
11:23:17	amiconn	XavierGr: I didn't change the name; this vm is created from scratch
11:23:39	amiconn	The user login is rockbox/rockbox
11:24:16	XavierGr	amiconn: yes I know it is from scratch still you change the defualt which was debian
11:25:21	amiconn	To change the keyboard layout, use dpkg-reconfigure console-data as root
11:26:05	amiconn	Sorry for the german keymap; 'twas too confusing to set it up with us keymap and then I forgot to reset it
11:26:21	XavierGr	ah yes completely forgot that command thanks
11:26:40	XavierGr	yeah I can imagine how confusing it would be
11:26:51	*	Lear doesn't think cygwin is _that_ slow...
11:27:05	XavierGr	lear: about 2-3 times slower (maybe more)
11:27:34	amiconn	Cygwin is 3..4 times as slow as the vm, on the same hardware
11:27:58	XavierGr	yeah something like that
11:28:00	JdGordon	anyone mind me commiting a patch so the BL tries the microSD before the internal for rockbox.mi4?
11:28:00	Lear	Yes, something like that, I expect. Not what I'd call painful though.
11:28:04	amiconn	And that's without a virus scanner on windows
11:28:21	Lear	Depends on the scanner...
11:28:30	amiconn	Lear: Rebuilding all my targets and sims can easily take 3 hours in cygwin
11:28:44	amiconn	(with virus scanner deactivated)
11:28:56	Lear	Hm, never tried that...
11:29:41	amiconn	JdGordon: That would be inconsistent with other targets and confusing imo
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11:29:49	JdGordon	amiconn: why?
11:30:06	The-Compiler	Moin
11:30:13	The-Compiler	oops :D
11:30:23	amiconn	Well /.rockbox is located on the internal storage, and so should be the binary
11:30:31	amiconn	If you have an .mi4 on the sd, you can easily copy it over, or use rolo to run it
11:30:46	JdGordon	yeah, but thats slow and annoying
11:31:31	n1s	JdGordon: couldn't the bootloader check for a buttonpress and then read the binary from SD?
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11:31:57	JdGordon	n1s: yeah, if right isnt pressed it will try the msd
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11:32:49	JdGordon	amiconn: oh, dircache was removed... that why the e200 build went down
11:33:01	Lear	Btw, if anyone has noticed the latest upstream Tremor changes, I'm about to add them to Rockbox.
11:33:58	n1s	Lear: wow, I thought tremor was sort-of dead...
11:34:07	pixelma	JdGordon: I'd say nothing pressed should be the default (loading from internal memory) not the other way round
11:34:19	Lear	Just some bugfixes, but...
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11:34:52	amiconn	Also, the bootloader should be kiss, and not do more than what's absolutely necessary to boot rockbox (and the of or a rescue firmware if dualboot is implemented)
11:35:30	amiconn	Looking for a binary in a bazillion places, or even adding multivolume + hotswap support, certainly isn't kiss
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11:36:37	JdGordon	well, true... ok, Ill just keep this to myself then
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11:37:09	*	amiconn would rather want an unzip plugin
11:37:19	*	JdGordon too
11:37:55	JdGordon	.. built into the BL :D
11:37:55	amiconn	This would allow to install a new build on Ondio (and now Sansa) from the MMC (or SD)
11:37:59	*	JdGordon runs away
11:38:14	*	JdGordon doesnt really run away
11:39:56	amiconn	Oh, gpl v3 was released...
11:41:03	desowin	is rockbox staying with gpl2 ?
11:41:17	petur	is a license that's more free compatible with GPL? http://www.zlib.net/zlib_license.html
11:43:47	JdGordon	http://gplv3.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/Compatible_licenses#GPLv2-compatible_licenses looks like it
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12:37:00	XavierGr	amiconn: other than the keyboard layout I think that your version is perfect. Maybe you should upload it to Bagder for inclusion on the wiki (with some comments about the changed hostname and username)
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12:44:06	norbusan	Hi! Can someone tell me what has happened to the tracker? www.rockbox.org does not respond, the tracker is not available, only the download stuff at videolan.rockbox.org is there...
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12:45:31	pixelma	there's no problem here...
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12:57:39	norbusan	pixelma: means that you can connect to www.rockbox.org?
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13:01:51	pixelma	yes - and the tracker too
13:01:56	norbusan	Hmm, strange.
13:02:09	norbusan	Here I get: The server at www.rockbox.org is taking too long to respond.
13:02:26	norbusan	Can you tell me which ....WAIT .... I AM STUPID ...
13:02:47	norbusan	Did they move IP addresses?
13:03:46	norbusan	Ok, my failure. Thanks ...
13:04:01	amiconn	hosts file?
13:04:45	norbusan	yup, that was it. Some time ago the DNS server of my provider didn't pick up the IP of rockbox.org and I added it by hand to the hosts file. Well. Then it changed ...
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13:39:33	DerPapst	morning :)
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13:41:38	moos	DerPapst: always the morning for you? ;p
13:42:00	aliask	Sounds like a terrible place.
13:42:14	DerPapst	nost often ;)
13:42:17	DerPapst	*most
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13:44:05	moos	aliask: did you see dionoea's interest to commit plugins? I think to your current patches in the tracker.
13:46:47	moos	we still doesn't have yet word games, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7180 could be a good candidate, but the patche apear doesn't finished...
13:48:13	aliask	No, it's not
13:48:20	aliask	I'm in the process of fixing up my other game plugin
13:48:26	aliask	But that target game will be next in line
13:48:41	moos	nice to hear :)
13:49:58	aliask	Nice to hear that someone else cares :)
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13:50:54	moos	hehe :)
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13:54:27	haemmy	has anyone already expirienced that the generated DB form rockbox contains much more files than actually are on your device?
13:54:36	haemmy	using ipod video 30GB
13:55:10	DerPapst	do you have iPodGames on your iPod?
13:55:20	moos	files that already existed on the past?
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13:55:58	moos	if so, just update the database
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14:06:59	haemmy	@ moos : i did update the db
14:07:18	haemmy	also tried generating a new one
14:08:19	moos	did you remove the database files generated in the .rockbox dir?
14:08:26	haemmy	btw i'm expiriencing that not all tags are read
14:08:39	haemmy	−−> untagged
14:08:46	haemmy	which files?
14:09:53	moos	the .tcd files?
14:10:48	haemmy	ah ok
14:11:29	haemmy	i'll try this out
14:12:02	moos	remove all those .tcd files on your .rockbox dir. And then rebuild a new one
14:13:23	haemmy	9 files removed
14:13:35	moos	and if you want more infos about the "process", go to debug menu and go to database info for see the progress of the building and how much files they are precisely
14:13:49	moos	good, rebuild a fresh databse then
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14:16:44	haemmy	lol: at the of the progress it says in debug menu:
14:17:08	haemmy	-1% 5256 entries
14:17:21	haemmy	* at the end
14:17:35	moos	yup that's good, you have to wait the 7th or 8 step of commiting now
14:17:59	moos	and then it will say you that the db is ready to use
14:18:35	haemmy	its it is, but i only have about 3000 mp3/mp4s on my ipod
14:18:43	haemmy	*says
14:19:22	moos	did you already the counter plugin?
14:19:26	moos	+use
14:19:51	moos	it will say you too how much files/di/music you have
14:20:01	pixelma	it's called stats
14:20:26	moos	oops :)
14:20:38	haemmy	it says 3125 pieces of music
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14:21:08	moos	then all is fine ???
14:21:39	haemmy	no
14:21:52	haemmy	when there >5000files in db
14:22:04	haemmy	but only 3125 songs
14:22:12	moos	you have 5256 files, 3124 music files
14:22:30	haemmy	even stats says on the whole there are 5098 files
14:22:36	moos	ah ok
14:22:38	haemmy	the db says there are 5256
14:23:00	haemmy	strange
14:23:09	pixelma	is there a trash can or "system volume information folder on your device?
14:23:20	haemmy	possible a bug of "evilg build"?
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14:23:56	moos	haemmy: are your files well tagged?
14:24:04	haemmy	they are
14:24:28	haemmy	but thats not important isnt it?
14:24:39	moos	then IIUC you have taginformations for music that they aren't?
14:24:44	haemmy	if they are not theyre shown as untagged
14:24:51	haemmy	IIUC?
14:25:31	moos	the main thing is that you can use your music database and that better that the evil itunes thing
14:25:41	moos	If I Understand Correctly
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14:27:08	haemmy	?
14:27:22	*	moos goes away for profit to his week end
14:27:39	moos	is your database usable anyway? (I meant)
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14:28:05	haemmy	yes it is
14:28:32	moos	then enjoy :) bye
14:28:41	haemmy	^^#
14:29:12	haemmy	thats no solution ^^
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15:22:48	linuxstb	saratoga: (If you read the logs) I've been looking at libasf this morning, and have got the ffmpeg wma decoder (the old version) working with it. It still needs a lot more work to adapt it to Rockbox's way of working (no file I/O, no malloc/free), but it looks promising. I've also been able to strip out a lot more of the ffmpeg stuff, leaving just what's needed for the wma decoder itself.
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15:24:47	\sic	hey guys
15:24:51	\sic	any german here?!
15:25:19	aliask	I just uploaded a bmp and .diff to the tracker (which seems to have worked), but it spat this out: http://www.pastebin.ca/597201
15:25:50	JdGordon	aliask: dont worry about it
15:25:54	JdGordon	it should have uploaded fine
15:26:03	aliask	It has, but it's unsightly :)
15:26:40	\sic	how i include a visualisation in my theme like the rockbox.default?!
15:27:04	\sic	(the two lines beating to the music)
15:27:27	aliask	\sic: There is only a very simple visualisation possible, which is %pm
15:27:34	Febs	\sic: Those are called peakmeters.
15:27:38	\sic	mh
15:27:39	\sic	okay
15:28:11	\sic	i think that too but when i build in to my theme then my ipod load the standart theme...
15:29:03	Febs	That means that your theme has an error. When there is an error in the theme, Rockbox loads the default theme.
15:29:10	\sic	mhh
15:29:20	\sic	can you look my theme file?!
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15:29:45	Febs	I suggest you post a thread on our forums: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php
15:30:27	Febs	There are people there more familiar with the WPS syntax than I. Use the "WPS and Customization" forum.
15:30:30	\sic	i think my problem is very simple and i am to stupid for that
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15:31:28	\sic	here the wps: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/1329
15:31:29	\sic	xD
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15:32:00	Febs	Trust me, there have been people far more stupid than you who have managed to post on the forums.
15:33:39	\sic	my english sucks :(
15:34:30	aliask	\sic: Your english is much better than a lot of people who ask questions (even if english is their first language) :)
15:34:54	\sic	oh, thank you :)
15:35:46	\sic	oookay, i write a post :/
15:35:53	Febs	As far as I know, the format for the peakmeter is %pm. You have additional parameters.
15:37:17	\sic	mh do you mean without parameters?
15:38:05	\sic	oh great
15:38:08	\sic	its works :)
15:41:42	chrisjs169	I think I may have found a bug...
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15:43:50	\sic	give it a standby modus for rockbox?
15:43:57	\sic	or only on and off?
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15:44:43	chrisjs169	\sic: If that was directed towards me, I'm referring to a bug not related to what you're talking about
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15:45:13	\sic	i dont understand?!
15:45:15	Febs	chrisjs169: just say what the bug is.
15:46:34	chrisjs169	Febs: I was testing it in the official build before I was going to say what it was (was using custom before)
15:48:01	DerPapst	\sic: no stand by for rockbox. but it boots fast enough on most targets so that isn't really an issue :)
15:48:24	chrisjs169	When using the oscilloscope on the Sansa, when the green 'line' (music doesn't have to be playing for the bug to occur) is verticle, when it reaches the bottom of the screen, the root menu 'gets all messed up'
15:49:20	\sic	DerPapst german?^^
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15:49:49	DerPapst	yes. but not very familiar with rockbox.
15:50:11	chrisjs169	Anyone have a sansa they can confirm the above bug with?
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15:51:39	andrew__	I have a sansa, I never noticed that before. I could check once I find it
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15:52:26	peppo	huhm. my rockbox videoipod seems to randomly be booting into apple firmware
15:52:33	\sic	okay ;)
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15:53:01	DerPapst	peppo: randomly means always when the hold switch is on?
15:53:08	peppo	DerPapst, nopes.
15:53:09	\sic	how can i install patches like: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4871?histring=peakmeter
15:53:15	peppo	irregardless
15:53:27	peppo	now when I connected the usb cable, it was sitting on the table
15:53:29	peppo	no buttons held
15:54:01	peppo	and Hold was even active
15:54:03	peppo	so that's not an option
15:54:17	chrisjs169	\sic: you have to download the Rockbox source and compile it on your own
15:54:24	\sic	damnit
15:55:21	chrisjs169	I have a custom build though - I could add it to that
15:55:41	DerPapst	\sic: compiling is acually pretty easy.
15:56:23	chrisjs169	Last update to that patch was 10 months ago
15:56:43	DerPapst	then it is broken for sure
15:56:57	chrisjs169	yeah
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16:00:16	\sic	okay i use the standart peakmeter
16:00:38	\sic	another question: can i edit the trackbar?! i want to design a new one ;)
16:02:22	DerPapst	if you mean the progressbar the answer is yes.
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16:02:39	\sic	�h, yes!
16:04:10	DerPapst	\sic: checkout some other custom wpses. they give you a good example how to cutomise the progresbaar with own graphics
16:06:23	\sic	okay
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16:13:59	\sic	mhhh
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16:16:27	\sic	lol i dont understand to customise my progressbar 0o
16:17:17	p3tur	well you tried for 10 minutes....
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16:18:06	\sic	mh
16:18:56	\sic	i think i can only edit the heigh, width, length of the progressbar but not with own images by the ipod mini 2g
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16:20:00	petur	look in the wps gallery.... if they can do it, so can you and look at how they did it
16:20:29	DerPapst	it works on colour targets at least. not sure about b&w ones
16:20:31	\sic	http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=138x110x2
16:20:32	\sic	...
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16:21:42	DerPapst	looks like one can only use the default one
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16:24:56	petur	bitmapped progressbar should work for al LCD targets (looking at the code), only backdrop is restricted to color
16:25:15	petur	use %P\|filename.bmp\|
16:25:16	\sic	0o
16:25:56	\sic	mh
16:26:23	\sic	yes i have a nano theme with the parameter but i dont understand how its works 0o
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16:29:09	DerPapst	\sic: have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
16:29:24	DerPapst	it explaines everything
16:30:12	\sic	mh k
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16:31:33	petur	I'll build a b/w sim to verify... let's see who gets it working first
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16:34:04	\sic	damit, its works!
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16:38:57	vitess	I'm having an issue with the Sansa e200 and the way Rockbox seems to buffer files - the e200 has an issue with electrical noise when reading from the flash but with the Sandisk firmware it's very brief
16:39:18	vitess	Rockbox seems to spend a lot more time buffering when loading a track (seems to load subsequent tracks in a folder) so the noise lasts around 15 seconds
16:39:32	vitess	does anyone know how to change this buffering behaviour?
16:39:41	JdGordon	you cant
16:40:17	vitess	Jd: do you know if there are any other workarounds?
16:40:34	JdGordon	no
16:40:52	vitess	:(
16:41:54	JdGordon	I havnt noticed any noise when buffering...
16:41:59	petur	bah, sims give a segfault when playing an mp3.. anybody else seeing this?
16:42:12	n1s	petur: 64 bit?
16:42:18	petur	no
16:42:53	n1s	petur: well, it's a known issue for 64 bit sims but i thought it worked on 32...
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16:43:44	vitess	Jd: what kind of headphones are you using? it is barely noticable on my full size beyerdynamics, but on my much lower impedence (16 ohm) canalphones it's very clear
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16:44:22	petur	I tried h300 and h100 sims here and they both crashed. Last thing it prints before the segfault is 'First frame is at 1279'
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16:45:22	JdGordon	vitess: /me is no audiophile, using the stock standard supplied ones still
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16:48:07	petur	it seems the build quality of the sansa isn't that good. static when reading flash, static when updating LCD (during recording),...
16:48:40	vitess	Jd: I haven't even unpacked those so I guess I'll do it now - do you happen to know how long the loading/reading icon in the top right corner appears when you first load a song in a folder? curious whether yours behaves the same way
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16:49:19	JdGordon	not really.. its likely the problem will be on all
16:49:21	\sic	the mini can only 1bit also black/white and NOT grey or?
16:49:26	JdGordon	the slow buffering defiantly is
16:50:28	vitess	wasn't sure if it's buffering more slowly or buffering more than Sandisk's software
16:51:58	vitess	the difference seemed to be that Rockbox is buffering subsequent tracks, so you get around 15 seconds of noise on at the start of the first track then no noise on the next few tracks
16:52:29	vitess	whereas with the Sandisk software the noise is at the start of every track, but only lasts about 2 secs
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16:55:36	The-Compiler	There is a wiki-user "PiSiK0PATR". This name isn't allowed!
16:56:12	petur	yes, they come in all the time and get cleaned up at some point
16:56:44	vitess	petur: I noticed the LCD noise during recording; but the noise when reading flash is at least hidden a bit by the behaviour of the Sandisk software
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16:59:07	petur	vitess: due to the fact that most targets are hdd based, rockbox tries to buffer as much as possible during disk spinning. Seems reasonable that you don't do this on flash devices...
16:59:33	vitess	Jd: can't really hear it on the stock earbuds; they must be higher impdedence (have to use a higher volume setting to get the same loudness)
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17:03:19	vitess	peter: I understand
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17:20:32	Shine	In the gameboy emulator which is the start button(sansa 280)
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17:24:03	aliask	Shine: http://videolan.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html
17:24:11	The-Compiler	i would like to make a Rockbox-quiz. Any suggestions for questions that I can ask?
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17:39:52	DerPapst	good bye everyone :)
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17:46:08	crazymike	what do you think how long will you need to port rockbox for sansa e200R series?
17:46:51	aliask	crazymike: There's no way to predict. It might not even happen at all.
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17:47:49	crazymike	ok...
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17:50:03	kkurbjun	jhMikeS, are you around?
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17:53:44	petur	kkurbjun: did you see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7368 ?
17:54:05	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: yes
17:54:59	jhMikeS	good timing btw. I just now peeked in
17:55:32	kkurbjun	petur, The sound doesn't repeat the same buffer anymore so there are pauses in the sound instead of looping samples
17:56:01	kkurbjun	so, which would be worse
17:56:13	kkurbjun	I guess for him, looping samples are better
17:56:46	XavierGr_	kkurbjun: I have to agree with him that the sound doesn't sound better after the update, and it made it slower
17:56:49	kkurbjun	jhMikes, I was thinking about looiking into rolo on the gigabeat, but I wanted make sure you hadn't already worked on it
17:57:09	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: no, I haven't done anything with that yet
17:57:17	XavierGr_	even on Gigabit which runs around full speed sounds a little bit worse IMHO
17:57:26	kkurbjun	ok, I'll check it out
17:57:53	kkurbjun	XavierGr, what framerate is it running at on the games your are playing?
17:58:54	kkurbjun	it's easy enough to disable the waits, but it messes up the timing on the gigabeat and the game runs too fast
17:58:55	XavierGr_	well I don't remember but I think that the framerate drop on H300 was about 4-5
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18:00:02	kkurbjun	it's using 44khz now.. which players cannot use 11khz? I would make only those run at 44k, but I don't know which ones support the full frequency range and which ones do not
18:00:17	kkurbjun	the gigabeat should be at a steady 60 fps
18:00:31	kkurbjun	could you check and let me know, also let me know what game you are playing
18:00:40	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: HW_HAVE_11 and HW_HAVE_11_() will be defined if the player supports that
18:01:12	kkurbjun	'all the ones I played had the sound much more lined up. jhMikeS, is there a have 22 also?
18:01:23	XavierGr_	hmm okay, so what do you want me to test exactly? I remember that on Gigabeat it was realtime but sound was still flawed (in a different way)
18:01:42	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: there's one for each rate
18:01:44	XavierGr_	kkurbjun: my main test is Marioland 1
18:01:53	XavierGr_	"Super Mario Land" that is
18:02:28	jhMikeS	config*.h defines a bitmask of supported samplerates and HW_HAVE_xx and HW_HAVE_xx_() and defined based on the mask
18:02:38	jhMikeS	*are defined
18:02:52	kkurbjun	XavierGr, how was the sound flawed? it does sound different from the older builds, but I also synced the sound to the last version of gnuboy - it is expected to sound different
18:03:07	kkurbjun	jhMikeS, thanks, I will use that then
18:03:08	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: see pcm_sampr.c and pcm_sampr.c for details
18:03:19	jhMikeS	pcm_sampr.h :P
18:03:36	XavierGr_	kkurbjun: when I say flawed I mean it is different and worse than the original, maybe gnuboy is to blame?
18:05:40	kkurbjun	XavierGr, I just don't understand what is worse, the samples are not overwriting themselves anymore on the gigabeat, everything should be locked properly now, does it sound like samples are missing? Are there extra noises that were not present before?
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18:07:20	kkurbjun	On the gigabeat I was testing with a frameskip of 0 or 1 to make sure the game was running at a steady 60 fps
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18:07:28	XavierGr_	kkurbjun: yeah I will have to try again that one, because I don't remember how it was, on H300 though that I did test with the older version it still sounded more weird (maybe has to do that now it is slower)
18:08:10	kkurbjun	XavierGr, I will write up a patch to run it on the H300 at 11khz again, would you test it when I have it ready?
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18:09:06	XavierGr_	of course
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18:12:04	XavierGr	hmm how can I compile a specific revision in svn?
18:13:05	desowin	you mean you want checkout specific revision ?
18:13:13	XavierGr	yes
18:13:39	desowin	svn up -rREVISION_NUMBER
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18:13:46	XavierGr	ah thanks
18:13:58	XavierGr	damn dinner's ready I will have to test it later
18:14:19	rumaxi	hi there. Folks, i've got ATA Error: -32 on startup. what is this ?
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18:15:12	rumaxi	HDD is seems to be alright and able to RW via usb on desktop . fsck.vfat didn't found any errors
18:21:41	petur	rumaxi: what player?
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18:22:08	rumaxi	Cowon X5
18:26:00	petur	that code seems to be generated in firmware/drivers/ata.c on line, and it's got something to do with reading some registers from the disk
18:26:15	petur	*line 739
18:26:49	petur	did this happen just like that?
18:26:51	rumaxi	so it's hardware problem with reading registers ?
18:26:54	jhMikeS	the player must have just come back from Cowon service :)
18:27:21	petur	rumaxi: it is writing and reading back registers
18:29:08	rumaxi	wait, i'll download sources by myself, i'am russian so i understand C better then english :D
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18:29:46	petur	the function is check_registers() in firmware/drivers.ata.c
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18:30:50	petur	and that is called from init_and_check() which adds -30 to the retval giving the total of -32
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18:31:44	rumaxi	it means initialization of hdd failed ?
18:33:29	petur	it means that reading back values that were written to some registers failed
18:33:47	rumaxi	i see
18:34:16	petur	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/ata.c?revision=13480&view=markup&pathrev=13741
18:34:29	rumaxi	workaround ?
18:34:40	petur	how did this start?
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18:36:33	rumaxi	it's my fault i think, i replaced original battery with nokia's one :-) but i didn't even touch hdd..
18:37:04	rumaxi	maybe static or something else, i don't know
18:37:46	petur	you could buid rockbox yourself and see if it works with the call removed
18:37:58	petur	*build
18:38:22	rumaxi	ok, i'll try to coment this return
18:38:51	kkurbjun	xaviergr, I see what you mean in super mario land, there is a high pitch sound that rides on top of it, all of the gameboy color games I have tried are much better and most of the gameboy original games, there are a few that have that high pitch sound riding on them.
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18:41:35	rumaxi	petur: have you got toolchain to build iaudio's rockbox ?
18:42:29	petur	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
18:42:34	rumaxi	i just don't want to mess my own binutils and gcc
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18:43:00	petur	you want me to build you a patched build?
18:43:42	rumaxi	i'll be very glad if you do it for me
18:44:01	rumaxi	if it's not difficult for you
18:44:30	vitess	petur: I think I came up with a sort of nasty workaround for the buffering / electrical noise issue with the sansa; I increased the "max files in dir/playlist" to ridiculous sizes in order to reduce the free buffer - bringing it down from 30MB to around 10MB, and that has greatly reduced the amount of buffering when playing the first song in a folder
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18:44:51	vitess	hoping it doesn't have any negative effects...
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18:46:15	petur	rumaxi: do you get this error in the bootloader or when rockbox itself starts?
18:47:24	rumaxi	on bootloader after Version abd batt strings
18:47:29	rumaxi	*and
18:48:03	rumaxi	so it's not rockbox problem..
18:48:33	petur	better not risk things with a bootloader anyway
18:49:10	petur	I've had my player get stuck after displaying bthe batt voltage when my battery was borked
18:49:28	petur	did you already try to put the original battery in?
18:49:36	rumaxi	so it might be a batt problem ?
18:49:46	rumaxi	but why this error message ?
18:49:51	petur	no idea....
18:50:36	petur	I do know that I have seen disks not working ok due to faulty powersupply
18:51:28	petur	I'm a bit out of ideas, maybe somebody else has an idea? Too bad amiconn isn't here...
18:51:40	rumaxi	my disk's mount via usb fine while on internal power
18:52:50	petur	sure the usb doesn't also feed power?
18:53:31	petur	well, dinner time here, got to cook some food...
18:53:34	rumaxi	oh, u're right
18:53:50	petur	bbl
18:53:56	rumaxi	bb
18:55:31	n1s	markun: are you fammiliar with the font cache stuff?
18:58:54	kkurbjun	rockbox uses unsigned 16 bit samples for sound natively correct?
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19:01:40	Spec_	hey, the site seems wonky...where can i get the bootloader/firmware? (rbutil)?
19:02:39	Spec_	ah, videolan.rockbox =p
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19:07:11	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: signed 16bit
19:08:45	kkurbjun	jhMikeS, I am trying to convert the 8 bit signed samples in rockboy to (now) signed 16 bit.. should I be concerned about any of the u or A law stuff? Is rockbox linear?
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19:10:42	XavierGr	kkurbjun: there?
19:10:49	kkurbjun	xaviergr, yes
19:11:15	kkurbjun	I tried marioland, it has an extremely high pitched sound riding on the output
19:11:22	XavierGr	well prior to your version on Gigabeat rockboy runs more than it should
19:11:41	XavierGr	kkurbjun: indeed that's why I said that it sounds bad
19:11:53	XavierGr	and 44.1khz makes it worse
19:12:00	kkurbjun	I heard that on some of the gameboy games, but none were that bad -
19:12:02	XavierGr	at least on that specific game
19:12:26	XavierGr	what's your suggestion? which game should i test?
19:12:54	kkurbjun	yes, dr mario does it also, the majority of games I tried did not do it though, and the color games sound much better in general.. legend of zelda, gameboy color version - could you let me know how that sounds?
19:13:28	XavierGr	ok I will try them out (good thing I own most of them :P)
19:13:44	XavierGr	though I have to say that 44.1 khz is an overkill for devices that can go lower
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19:14:24	kkurbjun	:), I have that fixed in my version, I will post a patch once I figure out that noise
19:14:33	kkurbjun	the 11khz thing that is
19:15:20	XavierGr	does gnuboy has a windows version tha I can try? maybe the emulator is bad on ondio emulation
19:15:58	kkurbjun	there is a windows version
19:16:42	kkurbjun	let me see if I can find it
19:16:55	XavierGr	I will try that version and see what the sound sounds like :P
19:17:19	XavierGr	found it
19:17:37	kkurbjun	you have to run it from command line
19:19:12	XavierGr	yes
19:19:16	XavierGr	gah it sounds horrible
19:19:35	XavierGr	there is an echo like effect that ruins everything
19:20:26	kkurbjun	that's on the windows version?
19:22:25	XavierGr	yes
19:25:11	kkurbjun	try setting SDL_AUDIODRIVER=waveout before you run it
19:25:43	kkurbjun	I can't run it on my computer, it just crashes
19:27:03	XavierGr	well it seems that gnuboy sucks on sound emulation, virtualboy's playback for example is perfect
19:28:38	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: it's linear
19:29:39	kkurbjun	jhMikeS, ok, thanks
19:33:13	XavierGr	kkurbjun: what SDL_AUDIODRIVER=waveout does?
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19:37:00	kkurbjun	it was just something that was in the FAQ for gnuboy, it is supposed to get rid of some noise
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19:41:44	XavierGr	kkurbjun: yeah it fixed the sound issue quite well but it lags like hell now
19:44:57	XavierGr	kkurbjun: thing is that on rockboy sound sounds wrong on all games that I am trying
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20:08:56	XavierGr	ah probably it isn't compiled for the sim
20:10:27	n1s	XavierGr: correct, it relies on some timer thingy that isn't implemented in the sim
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21:18:21	TTSbox_	Hi, I am trying to compile Flite TTS system for rockbox as a plugin
21:18:47	TTSbox_	I have done a sample helloworld plugin with a seperate directory too
21:18:48	Domonoky	TTSbox_: cool :-)
21:19:03	TTSbox_	but this Flite code has more directories
21:19:35	TTSbox_	Should I have sources listed as directory/filename
21:19:59	TTSbox_	or rockbox makefile looks recursively?
21:20:35	TTSbox_	Thanks Domonoky I hope I manage this first porting
21:20:40	TTSbox_	I undertook
21:21:05	TTSbox_	They have their own makefiles
21:21:08	Domonoky	TTSbox_: hm i think if you add your plugin dir to SUBDIRS, then the makefile in this folder will be called..
21:21:28	TTSbox_	oh
21:21:35	TTSbox_	that may be good
21:21:39	TTSbox_	thanks
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21:22:08	TTSbox_	but I think I will need to add some stuff from makefiles of other plugins
21:22:20	TTSbox_	right Domonoky?
21:22:35	Domonoky	jeah you have to adapt the Makefile in your plugin dir..
21:22:52	TTSbox_	thns
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22:29:53	kkurbjun	XavierGr: here is a patch, could you try this out on the gigabeat and H300 and let me know how it sounds: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7379
22:31:22	mud-rb	kkurbjun: looks like you forgot to attach the patch
22:32:11	kkurbjun	I started adding in some sound code from VisualBoyAdvance - It only adds in some of the code for sound channel 3 (out of 4), and it seems to work well on the gigabeat, but I'm not sure how fast or slow it will run on the H300
22:32:23	kkurbjun	mud-rb, thanks I just attached it
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23:30:09	petur	PaulJam: here?
23:33:52	PaulJam	petur yes
23:34:33	petur	re the corruption you saw when moving a dir, was that with or without dircache?
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23:38:00	PaulJam	when i tested it with the official build i had used default settings (dircache off), but when i observed it with the unsupported build i had dircache enabled, so i guess it has no influence.
23:38:19	petur	ok thanks
23:38:37	petur	means I can rule out dircache
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23:53:18	mud-rb	does one of these scripts in the tools directory make a .zip for each target?
23:53:52	whoa_nice	fuck YA
23:56:53	petur	mud-rb: if you type 'make zip' a zipfile is made
23:57:52	mud-rb	no, i mean like i was hoping there was a script to make a zip for each target, so i don't have to keep doing ../tools/configure and such over and over
23:58:29	petur	ah... maybe talk to amiconn when he's around, he has some setup to builds all targets
23:58:36	petur	-s
23:58:37	mud-rb	ah okay, thanks

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