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#rockbox log for 2007-07-07

00:02:27 Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@h237.231.143.24.cable.snbr.sanbrunocable.com)
00:02:59Robin0800Soap,custom but I read the forum but didn't post or reply as far as ican see the patches I use are still in sync but may make more demands on the wps parser.
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00:04:18MonkeyTamerI have a quick question about downmixing if someone knowledgable would not mind: is it more sensible to downmix from DTS or ac3?
00:06:04Soapbut you're not willing to test one w/o eyecandy?
00:09:20Robin0800Soap, go on then I will for you leave it on over night report in morning before work
00:12:03Soaphow do you want me to deliver it to you?
00:12:04*bluebrother wonders if there are free speex sample files around
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00:13:08chrisjs169|afkWhat's error 1 in make mean?
00:13:51Febsamiconn: after two hours, still running. I'm going to have to shutdown the test soon as I need to leave for the airport, but I'll be using Rockbox on the plane, so I should get a good sense of whether any problems remain.
00:14:20Robin0800Soap, As a zip somewhere
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00:15:56MonkeyTamerbluebrother: http://www.speex.org/samples/
00:16:43bluebrotherMonkeyTamer: found that myself, but I thought about spx files, not recoded to wav
00:16:46MonkeyTameroopps
00:16:49MonkeyTamerjust noticed that
00:16:56bluebrother:)
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00:17:09Soaphttp://rockbox.cleansoap.org/files/rockboxpostamicon5g.zip
00:18:17MonkeyTamerbluebrother: found one i think http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/scrub.html
00:18:26MonkeyTamerjust search spx
00:18:45_Dorianjust wondering what you guys thing of including a small podcast patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7111
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00:19:20bluebrotherhmm. Google wasn't helpful for me. Strange.
00:19:38MonkeyTamertwo samples on that page
00:20:03freqmodthose speex files may be problematic... as they are stereo and when i last checked the stereo code used floating point code which was removed when the speex port was cleaned up
00:20:22freqmod(not that it worked well in the original port)
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00:21:22chrisjs169|afkuser was asking me why they were getting this error (http://pastebin.ca/606534) and I think it has something to do with error 1 in make, though I can't say for sure - tips?
00:21:22freqmodhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6760?histring=speex%20stereo
00:22:46Robin0800Soap,running now
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00:24:21_Doriannothing on the podcast patch?
00:27:50*bluebrother notices we have >1000 open tasks :(
00:28:50pondlifeBetter get closing, then..
00:29:02bluebrotherBagder: rockbox.org/tracker (without trailing slash) gives me an 404. Would be nice if this automatically could redirect to rockbox.org/tracker/ (with trailing slash ;-)
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00:30:47SegadudeHey guys! Can rockboy play gba games?
00:30:51bluebrotherpondlife: you really want me to close all "useless" tasks? ;-)
00:31:04PaulJamSegadude: no
00:31:25SegadudeOk is there anything that does?
00:31:55PaulJamSegadude: a Gameboy advanced maybe?
00:31:57pondlifebluebrother: I dare you :)
00:32:20SegadudeI mean for the ipod!
00:32:20bluebrotherpondlife: nah, I'm just too tired to do actual work *g*
00:32:45belze_Segadude: if there were a plugin it would be in the current build
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00:33:41PaulJamI don't think the Ipod is powerful enough to run a gba emulator
00:33:51Segadudeok then. One more thing. Does rockboy have sound?
00:33:56belze_yes
00:34:11SegadudePaulJam: I see
00:34:40SegadudeOk thanks guys! Bye!
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00:34:53Battousaii doubt ipod is anywhere near powerful enough
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00:48:07Beta-guyis there a website with thirdparty rockbox plugins?
00:48:18bluebrothernot exactly.
00:48:35Beta-guyoh
00:48:42bluebrotherthere was this plugbox site but imo it doesn't make too much sense distributing binary plugins
00:48:55bluebrotherat least not unless there is a stable release of Rockbox ...
00:50:13alienbiker99you can download other plugins?
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00:51:39bluebrothernot really
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00:57:17pondlifenighty night all
00:57:44Soapwell you /could/ in theory.
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00:57:50SoapDoesn't mean any exist.
00:58:00Soapor at least any working ones that I am aware of.
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01:00:22bluebrotherSoap: http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/
01:00:36bluebrotherthey are h300 centric and outdated as hell.
01:03:22PaulJama more recent version of the calendar from that page is on the tracker.
01:03:29 Quit Robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?")
01:03:39bluebrotherI'm wondering why that page is still up
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01:23:45_Dorianjust wondering what you guys thing of including a small podcast patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7111
01:36:55zylcheHow about adding that wikipedia plugin. mates? :/
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01:47:49lymecaSo I installed Rockbox on my 4th gen iPod and I love it. But if I understand correctly, I'm still using the non-free Apple boot loader.
01:48:22lymecaWhile Apple's firmware has been supplanted by Rockbox, the device is still relying on APple's boot loader to function properly. Is this correct?
01:49:20LloreanYes
01:49:34LloreanRockbox doesn't mess with the in-flash images at all, at this time
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01:52:57oboamiconn: my ipod has run for 3.5 hours with the extra usleep
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01:59:34Soap3 hours plus here, but on the nano
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02:34:44Nico_PBagder: here ?
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02:42:06Hilikushey guys
02:42:15Hilikusis there a way to change the resolution of the volume?
02:45:59Soaptoo fine or too coarse?
02:46:54*scorche doubts too coarse
02:49:00Hilikustoo fine
02:49:30Hilikustoo many clicks to make a significant change
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02:52:57valisare lockups on the iaudio X5 normal? I bought a refurbished and I want to make sure it's not dead.
02:53:59Hilikusive had only a couple of lockups
02:55:03Hilikusso no way to change the volume resolution?
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03:15:07valisSo am I just stupid or has skinning not been fully implemented on the iaudio? My display only seems to show the backdrop.
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03:15:25scorcheyou are likely trying to use a broken theme
03:15:29krazykitvalis, sounds like a broken theme
03:17:23valisdo you know of a theme that for sure isn't broken so I could test?
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03:19:56valisWould it be possible I have an old copy of the rockbox firmware?
03:20:37krazykitof course.
03:20:52krazykitwhy not install the newest version? downloading it takes longer than updating :P
03:22:36valisany advantage to grabbing the latest source?
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03:22:54krazykitbesides loads of bugfixes, speedups, and a few new features?
03:23:06valiscool, thanks
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03:54:39alienbiker99yo
03:55:04alienbiker99whats good
03:56:13krazykitrockbox is good.
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03:56:48valisalso steak
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03:59:53sarixeanyone know how to make md5sum or sha1sum ONLY output the sum, and not the filename?
04:00
04:01:15krazykityou could pipe it through awk
04:01:43sarixewhich is...?
04:01:49krazykita command line tool?
04:01:58sarixei know... but what does it DO?
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04:02:08valiscat filename | sha1sum - | awk '{print substr($1, 0)}'
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04:02:13valisI think
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04:02:22sarixeoo
04:02:26sarixethat may do it
04:02:37krazykiti just did md5sum file|awk '{print $1}'
04:02:48sarixeo
04:02:55sarixewell that may be better, lol
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04:04:06sarixeworked, thanks
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04:04:48CoolCubixi just had md5sum a|grep -o '^[a-zA-Z0-9]*'
04:05:09sarixeno no... that'd do the whole line, right?
04:05:21krazykityeah
04:08:21sarixeum... would rockbox.zip have a different sum every time it's made, if given the exact same circumstances both times?
04:08:46krazykitit shouldn't
04:08:47valisdoes zip have timestamp?
04:09:20krazykitaah. timestamp would screw it up. i think it may.
04:09:20CoolCubixsarixe> yeah, the only thing which could change is a timestamp inside the zip or in the zip headers-and-so
04:09:35krazykitthe CONTENTS should have the same md5sums though.
04:09:42sarixei just checked, and no
04:10:06sarixeit could be something in my script i'm writing
04:11:48sarixeit's a bash script... but running a simple "if [ -e rockbox.zip ]" wouldn't change it, right?
04:12:24CoolCubixno, since it doesn't do anything, even not read it
04:12:36sarixeright...
04:16:35sarixesomeone want to check over the script to make sure it's not doing something weird that i'm not seeing?
04:16:44sarixei'll pastebin it
04:19:08sarixeif pastebin responds soon...
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04:20:17sarixehttp://pastebin.ca/606761
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04:23:02krazykitsarixe, er, don't you need to add the build directory, run the configure script?
04:23:13sarixei already ran the configure script
04:23:16Mouser_Xmarkun: Request for Gigabeat - When the hold button is on, the button LEDs don't activate when the remote is used.
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04:23:32krazykitsarixe, ooh, i see what you're doing. mkay
04:23:39sarixeand i'm writing this for cron, so i won't be able to add input anyway
04:23:55sarixeif configure didn't need input, i'd include it
04:24:37krazykitgotcha.
04:24:41krazykitlooks like it SHOULD work.
04:24:48krazykiti don't see anything that pops out as bad
04:25:21sarixeya know... i actually went through it by hand
04:25:31sarixeand it gave me a new md5sum
04:25:36sarixei must be doing something wrong
04:26:15krazykithow often are you running this?
04:26:23sarixei'm planning on running it hourly
04:26:36sarixebut every time i've tested it, it gives me a new md5sum
04:26:55krazykitah. thus the need for the md5summing
04:27:05sarixei doubt there are THAT many changes to the svn, or are there?
04:27:19sarixeeither way, i don't get any new files from the svn checkout command
04:27:33sarixejust "Checked out revision 13808."
04:27:44CoolCubixsarixe> wait
04:27:51sarixemm?
04:27:53CoolCubixdoesn't svn play with $id$ things ?
04:28:00sarixei have no clue
04:28:04CoolCubixhmm
04:28:15sarixeas i said before (maybe you weren't around), i'm a newb to svn
04:28:26CoolCubixso am i
04:28:44sarixeeither way, make doesn't do anything new either
04:28:44krazykitsarixe, zip preserves file creation timestamps
04:29:03sarixekrazykit : but if i do it all minus the svn, then i get identical md5
04:29:18krazykitoh, that's strange then.
04:29:25CoolCubixyesterday i've read an article about how to not bother a maintainer, and one thing was not to play with those $id$ tags which are managed by the svn client itself
04:29:46CoolCubixmaybe they change any time you checkup ?
04:29:52sarixeoh wait...
04:29:53sarixeno
04:29:55sarixenevermind
04:30:09sarixelol, i just made zip again, and it gave me a different md5sum
04:30:19krazykityep. timestamps i bet.
04:30:25sarixeany way to get around thata?
04:30:28sarixe-a
04:30:28krazykitthere may be a no-preserve option
04:30:39sarixewhere would i put that though...?
04:30:39krazykitfor the zip
04:30:50krazykityou'd have to edit the Makefile, of course
04:30:56sarixegah...
04:31:11krazykitbut i'm not SURE that would work, really. there may be other junk happening.
04:31:21krazykitbut that's a start
04:32:14sarixeum... is there another file that would change every time the svn is updated?
04:32:15sarixelike
04:32:25sarixesay i checkout on the svn, and make
04:32:32krazykityou could md5 the make?
04:32:39krazykitthe only thing is if there's a revision file
04:32:48sarixehm
04:32:52sarixewhere'd that be, i wonder?
04:32:53CoolCubix-X option of zip ?
04:33:10krazykitsarixe, probably in /rockbox/.svn somewhere
04:33:13CoolCubix-X Do not save extra file attributes (Extended Attributes on OS/2, uid/gid and file times on Unix).
04:33:15CoolCubixman zip
04:33:24CoolCubixdunno if it does the trick
04:33:54CoolCubixYAY
04:33:57sarixewow, if i can use something like that, then it'll get rid of half the script's complexity
04:34:06CoolCubixit works for me
04:34:11sarixebrb
04:34:19krazykitactually, the Makefile seems to call buildzip.pl, if i'm reading it right
04:34:25krazykiti suck at make, though.
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04:36:40_Dorianwondering if you guys thing to including a small podcast patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7111
04:36:51krazykitsarixe, i wonder if you edit tools/buildzip.pl on line 13 to "zip -X" if stuff will break
04:37:03sarixeback
04:37:13sarixei'll try it
04:37:16krazykitsarixe, which means you'd need a little patch each time you updated svn, but that MIGHT do the trick
04:37:35CoolCubixkrazykit> let's hope there are no timestamp except the zipfile's one
04:37:40CoolCubixi mean, in svn
04:38:01krazykitCoolCubix, any of that SHOULDN'T be built into the zip if the revision hasn't changed.
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04:38:30CoolCubixkrazykit> great, so it should work :)
04:39:13sarixeeven if it has been changed, right?
04:39:21sarixeit should just overwrite old files, no?
04:40:04CoolCubixsarixe> no, internal svn timestamps could be build into the zip
04:40:17CoolCubixbut you don't care since it means it's a new revision
04:40:41sarixecould or are?
04:41:04CoolCubixi'm not experienced enough with svn to answer this :(
04:41:11sarixelol
04:41:14CoolCubixbut anyway
04:41:15krazykitif there's been a revision, it means the code has changed
04:41:23krazykitthus your build will have a different md5
04:41:25sarixei wouldn't say there would be a timestamp or anything
04:41:40sarixebut either way, if the revision changes, my script does what it should
04:41:49CoolCubixyes
04:42:04CoolCubixhm i'm wondering about somthing
04:42:39CoolCubixto determine if the revision has changed, your base is to look at the md5sum of the zipfile
04:42:47PaulDi'm trying to compile a ipod video bootloader, but it doesn't seem to be working. the make completes and created the bootloader files, but when i try to install the bootloader it doesn't work, it just loads the apple firmware. could someone help me?
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04:43:04CoolCubixcouldn't be more economical to look at an svn intenal file which could hold the actual revision number ?
04:43:13sarixeyes, but i don't know where that is
04:43:17krazykitCoolCubix, probably, but this is more fun
04:43:23sarixeof course
04:43:25krazykitwarms his house more too
04:43:25CoolCubixthen you wouldn't be obliged to zip the whole rockbox thing
04:43:45CoolCubixsarixe> it's worth looking into svn internal files, i think
04:44:07sarixeCoolCubix : my script builds the latest rockbox automatically, and in case it's a new one, keeps it.
04:44:20sarixeas in:
04:44:25CoolCubixjust grep rockbox/ recursively for <your_current_revision_number>
04:44:29sarixeit assumes the default ouput is rockbox.zip
04:44:41sarixecopies it
04:44:44CoolCubixsarixe> but if it ain't a new one you'd just zip everything for nothing
04:44:53krazykitoh sarixe
04:44:53CoolCubixi don't understand that
04:44:55krazykitheh
04:45:01sarixelol
04:45:14krazykitrockbox/.svn/entries line 4. the revision is right there
04:45:24sarixelol
04:45:25sarixeok
04:45:31CoolCubixhm-m ^^
04:45:36sarixei'll write another script for that... compare them
04:45:36krazykitbut then how do you compare from last time?
04:45:36sarixelol
04:45:42krazykitthat's the trick.
04:45:59CoolCubixand even not for economical purposes, it's just cleaner that way, i think
04:46:05sarixecopy entries to entries-backup, checkout svn, compare entries and entries-backup
04:46:06CoolCubix(i _think_)
04:46:15sarixeyeah, it is
04:46:22sarixei'll finish this one first though
04:46:29CoolCubixhey sarixe you know
04:46:40sarixemm?
04:46:44CoolCubixyou can still check your md5sum
04:46:52CoolCubixinclude the two verification methods
04:47:08CoolCubixfirst check for the svn "entries" file
04:47:24CoolCubixif the revision has changed (at least it looks like it has changed)
04:47:30CoolCubixyou zip the stuff
04:47:40CoolCubixand you still compare the md5sum with the old zipfile
04:47:47sarixethat's even more complicated...
04:48:14CoolCubixhmpf, not at all ^^
04:48:29sarixemeh
04:48:31sarixei'll see
04:51:13sarixe-X isn't what i want
04:51:33CoolCubixreally ?
04:51:38sarixeyup
04:51:49CoolCubixit still gives different checksums ?
04:52:05sarixe1> didn't work, 2> i read about it, and it's not what you thought it was
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04:52:30sarixethen svn checkout file it is!
04:52:31sarixelol
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05:03:54sarixehttp://pastebin.ca/606794
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05:06:23krazykitsarixe, you could md5sum the file, store that in a variable (i think you can do that in bash), then update instead of backing it up
05:06:26krazykityour way works too though
05:06:45krazykitno, it doesn't
05:06:54sarixeno?
05:06:56krazykitthat file gets timestamps from svn
05:07:01krazykityou need the 4th line
05:07:05sarixebleh
05:07:05sarixeok
05:07:10krazykitdon't recall how to do that
05:07:15krazykitawk should do it though, somehow
05:07:19sarixehm
05:07:41krazykiti'm no awk wizard.
05:07:47sarixewell lemme test this
05:07:55sarixeor look at that file
05:08:05sarixeyeah, timestampe
05:08:07sarixe-e
05:08:37alienbiker99hey, im trying to permantly flash my h120, what do i need to do with the bootloader.iriver the wiki isnt clear
05:09:02alienbiker99oh never mind
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05:10:14sarixekrazykit : what about line 11?
05:10:21krazykitthat should work too
05:10:33sarixeis there a difference?
05:10:38krazykitnot afaik
05:10:40sarixeok
05:11:52sarixenow just to get a program that'll extract a line
05:15:41alienbiker99oh wow the chart was cleaned up a bit on the build page
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05:23:37alienbiker99damn the h120 boots fast with it flashed to rom
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05:52:02valiswhat version of gcc and friends is this built with? The switch -m5249 gives an error.
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05:56:09sarixeGOT IT
05:56:10sarixeok
05:56:16sarixelemme make sure it works
05:56:20sarixethen i'll pastebin it
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05:56:50sarixeactually, a few more things to do
05:57:43sarixethis isn't ready for cron
05:57:47sarixeit has sudo commands...
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06:03:11krazykityikes
06:03:13krazykitlike what?
06:03:29sarixenah, i was able to get rid of them by changing some file permissions
06:03:43sarixethat of "entries", for one
06:03:54krazykitthat's good
06:06:13sarixeok, it's done
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06:07:46sarixehttp://pastebin.ca/606847
06:10:10krazykitsarixe, grep " 4" gets you the 4th line, eh?
06:10:16sarixeyup
06:10:25sarixethat's how cat puts it, anyway
06:10:39sarixecat -n, gives the file with line numbers
06:10:47krazykitah
06:10:50krazykitclever.
06:11:07sarixe:D
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06:12:02krazykithm, that's a pretty clever script
06:12:14sarixehaha, and to think, i just learned scripting tonight
06:12:20krazykitit'd be better if it didn't require bash :P
06:12:25krazykit/bin/sh
06:12:30sarixewell
06:12:37sarixeit doesn't really require bash
06:12:38krazykitthough i don't think it has anything bash-specific
06:12:41sarixejust that's my shell of choice
06:12:48krazykiti like zsh, myself
06:13:12sarixenever used it
06:13:19sarixeactually, only ever used sh and bash
06:13:21krazykitbut i have /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
06:13:30krazykitwhat distro do you run?
06:13:34sarixeubuntu
06:13:45krazykiti think they link /bin/sh to /bin/bash.
06:13:54aliasknope
06:14:00sarixeyeah they do
06:14:17sarixeno
06:14:18sarixedash
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06:14:37aliaskHrm, actually... my distro links it to bash.
06:14:40sarixewhat distro are you on, krazykit ?
06:14:44krazykitdebian sid
06:14:48sarixeah
06:14:53krazykitso i'm obligated to hate ubuntu ;-)
06:14:57sarixelol
06:15:05sarixei've always wanted to try slackware
06:15:12sarixei should repartition and make room for it
06:15:13sarixelol
06:15:16krazykitbleh, yeah, if you like 1995
06:15:19sarixelol
06:15:34krazykitslack is ok, but you may as well use a bsd, really.
06:16:03krazykitthe lack of any package manager is a real downside to slackware, imo.
06:16:04sarixelol
06:16:10sarixemm
06:16:17sarixeothers would say it's the upside
06:16:47krazykityou start to fall into dependency hell without one. it can be a mess.
06:16:48sarixebut really, gentoo had it right
06:17:04sarixeemerge, with building everything in order to install
06:17:07krazykitexcept the whole "compile every goddam thing" part.
06:17:10sarixeno bin downloads
06:17:15krazykitthere are binaries.
06:17:18sarixewell
06:17:22krazykitfirefox, openoffice, etc.
06:17:32sarixetrue
06:17:38krazykiti've tried it. it's miserable to wait.
06:17:42sarixeactually, yeah, it was annoying compiling everything
06:17:49sarixei waited all night to get thunderbird
06:17:54sarixebut it ran FAST
06:17:55sarixelol
06:17:58krazykitbullshit
06:18:06sarixeyeah, you got me
06:18:16sarixegentoo wasn't really good
06:18:16sarixelol
06:18:18valisportage_binhost
06:18:24sarixeoo
06:18:27krazykitthey strip a lot of CFLAGS for firefox and thunderbird and oo.o
06:18:35Soap_drifting
06:18:41krazykityes indeed.
06:19:10krazykitit's bedtime anyway, after i load my fresh build
06:20:06sarixealright, ttyl
06:20:13sarixethat'll be a new revision, then?
06:20:48krazykitno, no, load my build onto my player
06:20:53sarixeo
06:21:16sarixewell, now to load this script into cron
06:21:19krazykiti know enough C to manually patch stuff and fix some minor problems
06:21:28sarixewatch this:
06:21:30sarixeCRON!
06:21:41sarixeYES SIR!
06:21:46sarixeYOU MAY FIRE WHEN READY!
06:21:53sarixeAYE, CAP'N!
06:22:07sarixewow, i suck at life
06:22:43krazykityou managed to hack together a pretty good script to build rockbox hourly.
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06:26:23valisiaudio's coldfire 5249 right?
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06:35:40alienbiker99does the sort by album artist also sort it by artist ie Album artist: Various artist . Artist: ZZ., would it sort under various artist and under ZZ as well?
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06:55:40valisdoes only gcc 4.3.0 support -mcpu for 68k?
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06:58:32aliaskvalis: Which iaudio are you talking about? M3 or X5?
06:58:40valisx5
06:58:50aliaskThen it's got a 5250
06:59:10aliaskhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioX5HardwareComponents
06:59:26valisthanks
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07:00:14valisI'm trying to build rockbox from source but the Makefile config produces is bad so I mostly fixed it but need to pass -mcpu to get 5250 it seems. Am I wrong? Any ideas?
07:00:45aliaskHave you compiled gcc for m68k?
07:00:51valisyeah, 4.2.0
07:02:09valisI looked over the docs which list -mcpu on the 68k but it was the 4.3.0 docs
07:02:18aliaskFor compiling for coldfire targets, I think we need to use gcc 3.4.x
07:02:28aliaskhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler#Step_2b_Manual_build
07:02:32valisooh, I'm way off, thanks
07:03:06valisI was curious why the Makefile's opts were off by so much
07:03:49valisI was looking through local docs, guess it was pretty dumb to not look through rockbox.org, I'll try that out
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08:01:03Robin0800Soap,still working after 129 songs time to commit?
08:05:35*amiconn just committed the fix
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08:23:03Robin0800amiconn,just compiled and will test this morning
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09:13:22*amiconn found an interesting chinese forum post with a list of cpu types in various daps
09:13:37amiconnhttp://www.iriverhk.com/community/forum_detail.asp?id=65638&RoomID=1 google translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iriverhk.com%2Fcommunity%2Fforum_detail.asp%3Fid%3D65638%26RoomID%3D1&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF8
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09:16:22scorchewow...nice list
09:17:43scorchethe PP in the 2nd gen mini has USB host...
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09:22:51amiconnI also found a thai forum with info about many daps, but no online translator :( At least some info is in english. http://www.thai-audiofile.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113
09:26:11bluebrotherhmm. What do you guys think about FS #7411 −− buildin manual?
09:26:17*bluebrother wants to reject this
09:32:06*GodEater_ thinks it should be rejected too
09:32:19LloreanIsn't there a "not now" or "later" option?
09:32:31bluebrotherthere is −− but what's the point?
09:32:33LloreanThe HTML manual should be usable with the HTML viewer thingy that's in some other task, I imagine.
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09:32:45bluebrothera html viewer will do, and we have a request for that.
09:32:49scorcheLlorean: havent seen you round these parts lately
09:33:11Lloreanscorche: I've not been around much, aye. I think I'm back though
09:33:32Lloreanbluebrother: But yeah, I guess rejection might be best.
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09:37:54pondlifebluebrother: Good idea
09:38:06pondlifeTime to be ruthless
09:38:12bluebrother:)
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09:45:26peturamiconn: there's an online translator, but it doesn't translate sentences, so you get the same webpage back but when you hover over a word it gives the translation... http://www.thai2english.com/trans.html?query_id=38277
09:46:48peturfunny language.. cráp translates to 'polite particle' or 'yes'
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11:27:05lymeca_If I see a sad iPod face am I screwed?
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11:28:18RoC_MasterMindNo, it just means your having a bad day.
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11:28:51lymeca_RoC_MasterMind: Okay so does it mean the iPod is screwed?
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11:29:25lymeca_Now it has a picture of a folder with an exclamation mark with the Apple iPod support URL.
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12:20:20amiconnjhMikeS: around?
12:22:33amiconnAnyone else with a sansa?
12:28:30amiconnall quiet :|
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12:29:50*amiconn also learned something new about the PP5022 PLL setup
12:32:43*lazka has got a sansa
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12:33:26amiconnlazka: If you're running a recent build, could you do me a favour and look up some values?
12:35:14lazkaamiconn: if it's not too hard, sure.. i have to update first, w8 a sec
12:36:18amiconnIt's not difficult at all. Go to Debug->View I/O Ports, and tell me the 6 values starting with CLOCK_SRC and ending with DEV_0x34
12:37:08lazkaamiconn: do i need SVN or is the last one on the homepage ok?
12:37:32amiconnAfter that go to "View HW Info" (also in Debug) and tell me the PP version and the "Est. clock (kHz)" values
12:38:00amiconnhttp://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-sansae200/rockbox.zip
12:38:05amiconnI.e. latest svn build
12:40:03lazkaCLOCK_SRC: 10137647
12:40:33lazkaCLOCK_0x2C: 00000000
12:40:43lazkaCLOCK_0xA0: 00000000
12:41:09lazkaPLL_CONTROL: AA12500C
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12:41:41lazkaDEV_0x34: 00001010
12:42:14lazkaPP version: PP5022C
12:42:32lazkaEst. clock (kHz): 80433
12:44:04amiconnThanks
12:44:10lazkanp
12:44:20amiconnVery interesting... the PP5024 reports itself as PP5022C
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13:28:42davinaah cool you're all taking about my ipod 60gb crashing. I tested up to 2nd july build and that ok ip0od has been running for about 4 hours no stop without any probs.
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13:29:51amiconndavina: Get the latest svn build. Problem has been identified and fixed.
13:30:04davinaah wicked thx amiconn
13:30:15davinawhat was it in the end?
13:31:58*davina reads up about pp5024 reporting as pp5022c. thats what my ipod says in the debug
13:34:16amiconnYes, and the ipod video's chip is labeled PP5021 and also reports as PP5022C
13:35:53davinaso thats just the hardware being silly and not rockbox, making coding rather awkward i guess
13:36:55amiconnIt's just a liitle additional (and intentional?) confusion by PortalPlayer
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13:38:37davinawell its cool that you fixed it so quickly. i'd love to be able to contribute with the code somehow, but my C is not brill and the last time i tried to download everything and make a build environment it all went a bit wrong and i ended up reinstalling ubuntu lol
13:38:37stripwaxhello!
13:39:02davinads irc client?
13:39:06stripwaxcouple playlist issues on ipod
13:39:25stripwax1. if playback is stopped, can't reshuffle
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13:39:58stripwax2. saving playlist is slow because screen is updated every 10 tracks saved!
13:40:21stripwaxdavina - yep! part of DSOrganise homebrew
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13:40:29davinaah no keyboard in the ds
13:40:32davinaoooooh
13:40:37davinamust go looksee
13:41:05stripwax3. can't stop saving because play/pause ignored - and holding down just turns ipod off!
13:41:48stripwaxCreate Playlist from main menu is wicked fast - save current playlist should be too
13:42:57stripwaxbut saving is faster if not rebuffering - but 1 means that's not easy
13:42:58lazkastripwax: what about a bug report? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2
13:43:02davinai never bother with playlists, mostly i just put the whole lot on shuffle. so far i have just over 4000 tracks so its never a dull listen
13:43:20stripwaxon DS at mo, no web access sorry
13:43:52stripwaxdavina - how do you put the whole lot on shuffle w/o playlist?
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13:44:22stripwaxwhen you add new music to device how do you 'shuffle them in' w/o playlist
13:44:41stripwaxi think if i could i would
13:46:17davinastripwax, just goto database->tracks-> select a track and it loads up the dynamic playlist. takes a few seconds to do it but i tend to leave it on that mostly
13:46:47stripwaxdynamic playlist contain all tracks?
13:46:56stripwaxcontaining
13:47:00davinaif iadd more music which i will be doing as i am going thru my cd collection right now, i just do the same process again
13:47:03stripwaxif so, neat
13:47:32stripwaxbut won't the tracks change when you add more music?
13:47:56davinayeah i just use the database mostly. if i want to play a particular artist i do the same and it shuffles all the artists' tracks too
13:48:34stripwaxi mean, if I've listened to tack Foo, then load more musiconto device and get the new random playlist, isn't there a chance i'll hear Foo again?
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13:49:07davinaoh yeah there is a chance u could get the same song more than once if u reload the dynamic playlist but the more songs u get the less likely. besides the most i get to listen to in one go is maybe only 30-40mins as i drive to work
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13:50:02stripwaxgah
13:50:15stripwaxwhat happened
13:50:17davinaoh yeah there is a chance u could get the same song more than once if u reload the dynamic playlist but the more songs u get the less likely. besides the most i get to listen to in one go is maybe only 30-40mins as i drive to work
13:50:24davinau logged out
13:50:37Slasheristripwax: you can use the "never played tracks" entry to hear only new tracks
13:50:40stripwaxlooks like i got kicked
13:50:52Slasheristripwax: you quit
13:50:54stripwaxSlasheri - ooh, nice
13:51:23stripwaxclient said i was kicked because i didn't have a registered nick
13:51:50Slasheriweird.. from here it didn't look like that:
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13:52:32stripwaxSlasheri - actually that's not really what i want. i don't want to hear only new tracks, i want to shuffle them in
13:53:10stripwaxalongside my already shuffled playlist containing tracks that may well have been played at some point before
13:53:17Slasherihmm.. then just go to never played tracks entry, hold down select on that to get context menu and use insert shuffled
13:53:35Slasherioh, or "recently added tracks"
13:53:38stripwaxa stable shuffle, that includes new music, basically
13:54:21stripwax'all tracks' but without changing the history of what i've already listened to in this playlist
13:54:40Slasherihmm.. that might be difficult
13:55:05stripwaxi could just manually insert them randomly myself but, you know, ...
13:55:37stripwaxrockbox knows what's recently added. would it really be that hard?
13:56:07stripwax(menu function to do it - doesn't have to be seamless)
13:56:32pixelmaI think "insert shuffled" will shuffle them in after the currently playing song, so you shouldn't lose the history
13:56:36Slasherisurely it can be possible.. but i have no idea yet how to implement that
13:56:57pixelmabut haven't tried myself lately
13:57:08stripwaxpixelma but that's manual
13:57:26stripwaxi'd have to browse myself to the music i added
13:57:27Slasheriand db also keeps the history of in which order tracks have been played
13:58:18stripwax"insert recently added tracks shuffled" would do the trick
13:58:30Slasheristripwax: just modify the tag browser entry "recently added tracks" to show only the latest tracks and then "insert shuffled" that whole entry manually
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13:58:54stripwaxSlasheri - nifty!
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13:59:27pixelmabtw. there's someone using the nick "stripwax" around here - at least I believe it's someone else. I guess he's registered...
13:59:33stripwaxnot sure what's distinction between 'recently added' and 'latest' ?
13:59:46stripwaxit's always and only me
13:59:50stripwaxi am he
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14:00:13stripwaxspelling worse today due to touchscreen
14:00:14pixelmaok
14:00:20Slasherirecently added is currently configured to show tracks from the latest 3 pc uploads or so
14:00:33*davina installs latest build
14:00:38stripwaxcool. sounds ideal starting point!
14:00:40Slasheriyou might want to modify the tagnavi configuration file to show only the latest commit
14:01:03stripwaxmany thanks Slasheri - sounds exactly what i need
14:01:08Slasheri:)
14:01:23stripwaxrockbox never ceases to amaze me in its brilliance
14:01:59stripwaxand on that note - lunchtime
14:02:05stripwaxthanks all!
14:02:26stripwaxdavina - irc seems usable enough..! :)
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14:54:37davinalatetest build seems to be running fine thx amiconn
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15:02:25stripwaxme adds his earlier bugs to bug tracker
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15:06:49*stripwax looks at topic
15:06:53stripwaxwhat is BOS?
15:07:08*petur points to golden quotes in wiki
15:07:13*stripwax looks
15:08:49peturtip: the first quote on that page?
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15:09:59stripwaxah, yeah, gotcha. ABOS would make more sense but yeah.
15:10:08*stripwax giggles at the rest of the quotes. genius.
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15:11:23PaulJamisn't "Rockbox = BOS" a little bit too general? i mean surely it sounds like one, but it looks more like a piece of crap than a bag of shit.
15:12:27peturiirc, that user had troubles with his settings and had the EQ set up in a way that everything was distorting...
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15:15:15amiconn0xba90f517 ;)
15:15:25amiconnhi Nico_P
15:15:38Nico_Phi
15:15:55amiconnI know why your gigabeat refused to data abort - the code I pointed you to is only executed in the bootloader...
15:16:23stripwaxseems like a POC, sounds like a BOS
15:16:25amiconnBut I don't think this bit should be set in the bootloader, as it might confuse the OF
15:16:46amiconnOr maybe it's only executed after deciding to boot rockbox?
15:16:47Nico_Pamiconn: so what do you advise me ? recompile a bootloader with the change ?
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15:17:05amiconnI really don't know, maybe markun does
15:17:25amiconnOtherwise it should be fairly simple to set this bit somewhere in rockbox startup
15:17:38stripwaxok, bugs added, 7412 and 7413
15:18:09Nico_Pamiconn: I think I'd prefer it to be set somewhere in rockbox startup
15:18:47Nico_Pnot compiling a new bootloader sounds better :)
15:19:05Crash91does anyone have/ know a copy of the rockbox logo in .svg?
15:19:43amiconnCan the gigabeat be recovered when a faulty bootloader got installed?
15:19:57amiconnCrash91: Check svn, it's there
15:20:07Crash91ok
15:20:09amiconn(for the manual)
15:20:29Nico_Pamiconn: yes it can, by loading the OF and then using it to install a correct bootloader
15:20:48Nico_Por in case of complete failure there's a procedure involving opening the gigabeat
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15:23:29Nico_PBagder: ping
15:25:59amiconnA bit more difficult than the ipods or iaudios, but still...
15:26:31amiconnThe irivers are afaik the most 'dangerous' targets when it comes to bootloader installation
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15:34:42PaulJamWhat are the chances of FS #7345 making it to SVN?
15:38:00peturI think it will make it ;)
15:39:12peturmaybe it isn't 100% compatible with the idea of putting all gfx in one bmp - otoh I don't know if that idea wass killed or still on the table
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15:45:17Nico_PI like FS #7345 a lot
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15:45:36Nico_PI think it's complementary with the partial bitmaps patch
15:46:02Nico_P(FS #7289)
15:46:10Nico_PI'd like to commit them both eventually
15:47:09Nico_Ppetur: I think all pictures in one bitmap is too much of a hassle for WPS designers
15:48:11Nico_Panyway I think the main point of the idea was to speed up loading of WPSs and IIRC the WPS tokenizer sped up the loading
15:48:19peturok
15:49:06peturwell we can still do the 'all files in one tar/zip/whatever'
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15:50:31Nico_Pthere's a patch in the tracker for that, but linuxstb and I decided the benefits weren't really worth the extra complexity
15:50:47Nico_Pso we kinda dropped it
15:50:52peturok
15:54:38moosNico_P: try maybe the mailling list for see if is there people against the idea
15:55:33Nico_Pmoos: I'll probably do that once I decide to seriously review the patches and commit them, but for now I'm focusing on my SoC :)
15:56:25Nico_Pbut the general feeling seems to be favorable
15:56:34mooshehe :)
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15:56:58moosask amicoon for see if he is ;p
15:57:09moosdue amiconn; sorry
15:58:08moosNico_P: how goes your MOB works?
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15:58:47Nico_PI have the buffering API pretty much implemented
15:59:05Nico_PATM I'm adding a bit of threading to test
15:59:07moosnice start! did you reuse JdGoedon works?
15:59:22moosJdGordon
15:59:34moosi've got problems with nicks today apparently :)
15:59:42Nico_Pnot really because when I started I only had his first version which he said didn't work
15:59:52moosah ok
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16:00:00Nico_Pso I looked at it a bit but choose to go with a different implementation
16:00:13Nico_Pfinally we both worked on the same one
16:00:20mooshehe :)
16:00:24Nico_Pthe code is available if you want to take a look
16:00:34mooslink?
16:00:55PaulJamNico_P: maybe this idea is a little bit naive, but wouldn't it be possible to just dump the contents of the area in memory where the bitmaps are stored to a file when loading the WPS and then on startup just copy the contents of the file to the memory instead of loading all the wps bitmaps?
16:00:59Nico_Pit's in JdGordon's SVN: svn://jdgordon.mine.nu/mob
16:01:18moosI remenber the new API proposal wiki page. Do you still use it and keep it in sync?
16:01:45Nico_Pmoos: it's largely unchanged but Jd added the link to his repo
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16:02:07Nico_Pand we stayed very close to what the page said anyway
16:02:22moosoki
16:03:19Nico_PPaulJam: that's very close to what was suggested at one point about whole WPSs... store the tokenized output in a binary file and just load that. I think we finally agreed it wasn't worth the complexity
16:03:37PaulJamok
16:03:48Nico_P(the binary file would've probably included the bitmaps too)
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16:04:30Nico_Pif you want to read the debate, a search on "compiled WPS" or "binary blob" should give interesting results
16:04:57Nico_Pit was around when the tokenizer was added
16:07:55PaulJami think i found it
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16:17:30stripwaxanyone taken a look at bitmap sliding puzzle recently?
16:17:49stripwaxpatch 7218
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16:28:49Nico_Pcan someone tell me the difference between queue_send and queue_post ?
16:30:22Nico_Pmoos: looked at the code ?
16:30:46stripwaxhow much truth is there in the following: related data arrays should be interleaved to avoid cache thrashing
16:31:13stripwaxis it because code like "a = array1[x]; b = array2[x]" will preload a number of bytes from both array1 and array2?
16:31:31*stripwax has been reading some interesting (to him) intel docs on optimising for embedded cpus
16:32:45stripwaxwhereas mystruct = mystructarray[x]; mystruct.a ; mystruct.b will preload a bunch of the data in the right order (interleaved effectively)
16:33:26*Nico_P has no idea what stripwax is talking about
16:35:09stripwaxthinking, if you loop over two arrays , you end up using the cache less efficiently than if you loop of one array containing (pairs of) data interleaved
16:35:20stripwaxand wondering if there's any truth in that. hang on, i'll see if i can find the article
16:35:26Nico_Pah I see
16:35:38*stripwax was looking at rockbox vorbis coupling.c for example
16:35:50Nico_Pwell it seems quite obvious that reading the memory sequentially is better than skipping everywhere
16:36:03stripwaxer mapping0.c not coupling.c
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16:36:45stripwaxNico_P- but is reading two things (sequentially) less efficient than reading one (twice as large) thing sequentially
16:37:37Nico_Pprobably not, but I'm no expert
16:39:27davinastripwax, yes as you have to issue two reads which will slow down i/o
16:40:15davinaalso depends on how much you are reading in one go
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16:45:47stripwaxdavina - makes sense. so would be worth taking a look at interleaving the magnitude and angle arrays in the vorbis code?
16:46:08*stripwax will take a look anyway. maybe that's not even inner loop stuff
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16:47:49Rhinoshello anyone here
16:48:14Crash91hello
16:50:48Rhinosis there any rockbox tool for iPod nano 2nd generation?
16:51:58krazykitRhinos, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0
16:52:03krazykitthey're working on that.
16:52:36Rhinosok i gonna check it out
16:52:57stripwaxarticles: http://www.embedded.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199900652
16:53:47stripwaxhttp://www.embedded.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199902866
16:54:07stripwaxsuspect large portions of the latter are dubious as best tho
16:56:12stripwaxoh and here's the one that suggests interleaving http://www.embedded.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199904931
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16:56:35stripwaxCrash91: - hello
16:56:40*stripwax goes and reads
16:57:01Crash91stripwax: hello, do i know you? :)
16:58:09*Crash91 goes and starts making wpss
16:58:57*stripwax thought we were just all saying hello
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17:00:45Rhinoscant find any special, because I'M looking for how to but a cool thems (style) and Video for my ipod nano 2nd generation
17:01:11krazykitRhinos, the 2nd gen is currently unsupported.
17:01:17stripwaxbut they're working on it
17:01:33krazykitalready linked the forum topic, too.
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17:04:02Rhinosso no chance for it to make a different style
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17:04:12Rhinosan build a video
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17:07:50krazykitRhinos, not yet, anyway.
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17:13:05PaulJamcan the uisimulator simulate main and remote hold switches?
17:13:31Crash91What is the purpose of an "Advanced" build?
17:13:37pondlifeNico_P: Did you work out your memmove/move_handle issue?
17:13:53Nico_Ppondlife: no
17:13:54pondlifeCrash91: It lets you select debug and logging options.
17:14:00Nico_PI'm wroking on threads right now
17:14:10Crash91Ok
17:14:31pondlifeI've still not looked at it, but is memmove needed? Is an overlap possible?
17:14:47Nico_PI think it is
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17:14:59pondlifeOK, just a though
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17:16:23pondlifeNico_P: Did anyone answer your queue_... question?
17:16:29Nico_Pno :(
17:17:21pondlifeI suspect that one call blocks until the queue is read (and might offer a return value), the other just queues. But that's just a suspicion !
17:17:25Nico_Plooks like queue_send somehow assures that the message has been received when it returns
17:17:46pondlifeYes, that sounds about right.
17:18:26Nico_Pwhat I was doing is transform the buf* functions so that they post messages to the buffering queue
17:18:28pondlifeBetter to use that than have any horrible booleans like playback.c has/had...
17:18:57pondlifeYes, the API will need to send messages to the buffering thread.
17:19:17Nico_PI'm glad you like it :)
17:19:31pondlifeSo buffering.c actually has routines used by 2 threads - the buffering thread and the calling thread.
17:19:36Nico_Pso the actual work will be done by functions I named buffering_buf*
17:20:15Nico_Phow can the same routines be used by the two threads ?
17:20:18pondlifeI tried to sort through playback.c to separate out audio_../codec_../voice_.. threads... didn't complete it.
17:20:41pondlifeNo, the routines are used by only 1 thread.. just that they are all in buffering.c.
17:20:45Nico_Pok
17:20:51pondlifeYou have it right.
17:21:10Nico_Pwhat I'm having some trouble with, among other things, is passing the arguments
17:21:28PaulJamah, found it. h and j are the hold switches.
17:21:41Nico_Pbecause when there is a bufgetdata call (for example), I want to store the arguments in the queue to be able to use them in the actual call
17:29:50Nico_Ppondlife: I tried defining structs that hold the call arguments, but it doesn't seem to work
17:30:08Nico_Ppondlife: also, how will the calls give return values ? maybe we need callbacks ?
17:30:33Nico_P(I mean the API calls that send messages to the buffering thread)
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17:45:23Crash91can the BL on the Sansa charge battery?
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17:53:24pondlifeNico_P: You can only pass a pointer to a structure, which is fine for blocking calls where you can be sure the structure contents won't be overwritten too soon.
17:54:13Nico_Ppondlife: where should the structure be stored ?
17:54:19Nico_Pit should be global ?
17:54:30pondlifeProbably a static in the API routine.
17:55:22pondlifeOr put parameters into the memory handle structure and pass a pointer to that.... but be careful with non-blocking calls.
17:55:54Nico_Pcan you ellaborate on the bloncking vs non blocking ? I don't really see what you mean
17:56:14Nico_Pwhich calls should be blocking ?
17:56:35pondlifeSome API calls (e.g. bufgetdata) must block - they can't return until the data is ready, so are strictly one at a time.
17:56:49pondlifeBut in general you want to return asap.
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17:57:34pondlifeBeware - I haven't worked it all out though :p
17:57:57pondlifeBut I'd think that only bufread/bufgetdata need to block.
17:58:21Nico_Pso I should use queue_send for those ?
17:58:33Nico_Pand what about the non blocking calls ? how could they return values ?
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18:00:13pondlifeHmm... maybe they can only assume all is ok...:/
18:00:43pondlifeThe open will just post, the read will then return an error if the file isn't there..
18:00:53pondlifeNeeds thought (again).
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18:03:12Nico_Phmm but bufopen needs to return a handle id
18:03:26Nico_P...which is given by add_handle
18:06:58Nico_Ppondlife: I'll commit what I have so you can see
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18:13:00Nico_Ppondlife: committed
18:13:26Crash91did anyone know about #fedora-arm ?
18:13:39Crash91fedora on the ARM architechture :)
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18:15:24krazykitCrash91, which has what to do with debian?
18:15:39krazykiter
18:15:42krazykitdammit
18:15:49krazykiti should really check what channel i'm in first.
18:15:56Crash91lol?
18:16:09krazykitCrash91, a lot of distros have arm ports nowadays
18:16:38Crash91i know :) i was just checking out the channels, i assume you use ubuntu?
18:16:45krazykithell no.
18:17:15Crash91which distro? I dislike ubuntu myself :p
18:17:22krazykitdebian, naturally :P
18:17:25krazykitbut that's offtopic
18:18:03krazykitthough the linux arm ports don't help much for rockbox.
18:18:28krazykitrockbox isn't posix compat, as far as i know. the linux kernel doesn't have drivers for any of the hardware, either
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18:19:57krazykithowever, the arm stuff IS interesting because you know you could possibly port it to rockbox, and that it'll compile, probably
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18:27:40krazykitCrash91, on freenode? /msg nickserv help should point you in the right direction
18:28:14Crash91got it, it was /msg NickServ SET password /password/
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18:32:02Crash91damn
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18:44:59TTSboxa few days ago, one of you mentioned some of the plugins implements malloc
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18:45:06TTSboxwhich are they
18:45:10TTSbox?
18:45:26TTSboxLater I may try to eliminate mallocs in the code I am porting
18:45:39TTSboxbut for now I want to have something running earlier
18:45:59TTSboxso I will try to use a malloc implementation
18:46:37TTSboxor maybe you may know a good easy to use malloc implementation elsewhere
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18:56:11Nico_PTTSbox: I think it was me... IIRC doom has a malloc implementation
18:56:20Nico_Pand I think most codecs have too
18:56:57nl2Nico_P: Tremor does at least but I don't think most codecs do
18:57:02Nico_Pah
18:57:33Nico_PBagder has a simple malloc implementation available somwhere too
18:57:55Bagderthat's actually not just a simple one...
18:58:07Bagderwe should add it to the pluginlib one day
18:58:14Nico_Poh sorry :)
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18:58:51Nico_PBagder: I've been wanting to ask you about repo hosting for a few days
18:58:56Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/projects/dbestfit/
18:59:30Bagderno time right now actually
18:59:48Bagdercatch me in 3-4 hours
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19:00:17Nico_Pok
19:00:26Nico_Pat least I'll try if I'm here
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19:07:56TTSboxBagder: Thanks for the link
19:11:14Nico_PBagder: do you have time to explain the difference between queue_post and queue_send to me .
19:11:15Nico_P?
19:11:57Nico_Pand maybe how queue_reply is used
19:17:46amiconndan_a: around?
19:18:55dan_aHi amiconn
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19:23:13Nico_Pamiconn: do you know how the queue_* functions work ?
19:26:24amiconndan_a: How's the iPod G3 port coming along?
19:27:01amiconnNico_P: Umm, what's the problem with them? They just work...
19:27:37Nico_Pamiconn: I think I just found what queue_reply is for... it provides the return value for a queue_send call ?
19:27:39dan_aamiconn: I'm just starting to look at it again. First task: figure out how the cache flushing works so that we can get dual core working on it
19:28:23Nico_Pamiconn: so queue_send blocks until the message is processed, whereas queue_post returns immediately, is that it ?
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19:34:32amiconnNico_P: Actually I don't know about this new, over-complex stuff. I only ever used queue_post() and queue_wait[_w_tmo]()
19:35:15amiconnIirc most of this new stuff was added by jhMikeS
19:35:23Nico_Poh that's why there's nothing about it in the wiki and it's not in the plugin API
19:35:42Nico_PI'll try to find tha svn log about it
19:36:55amiconndan_a: How stable is CPU scaling on PP5002?
19:37:04Nico_PjhMikeS: ping
19:37:44dan_aamiconn: It isn't - I'm tempted to disable it
19:38:36amiconndan_a: You could send me an OF dump, and I could have a look how the OF does it
19:39:06amiconnDon't you also have an H10? (maybe I'm confusing you with s/o else)
19:39:37dan_aamiconn: I will. I bought an H10 from ebay, but it would never boot
19:40:13amiconnHmm, looks I confused you with barrywardell
19:45:35amiconnNote to self: fix fs #6691
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20:05:32Soul-SlayerHey, is there any way of knowing when the gigabeat is fully charged :$?
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20:21:46Suicide_Guyis .png not supported in rockbox?
20:23:57Suicide_Guyi see that .png is recommended for use in WPS
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20:24:25Suicide_Guybut i can't view .png files in the latest build
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20:29:04Soul-Slayer!pcw
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20:33:38belze_would it be possible to turn the irivers line-out into a "real" line-out where volume-/tone-settings dont have any effect?
20:38:55belze_ah, i see this is a limitation of the UDA1380
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20:51:33bluebrotherSuicide_Guy: png is neither recommended nor supported.
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20:53:35Madinko12I'm new here !
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20:55:54Suicide_Guybluebrother, oh, ok
20:56:11Suicide_Guyi could have sworn i saw that png was recommend for WPS. oh well lol
20:56:34Suicide_Guytime to find a free .png to .jpg program :D
20:56:48Suicide_Guyagain, thanks to the devs for such awesome firmware! :)
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20:57:35bluebrotherpng is usually the preferred format if you post screenshots, but that's all.
20:59:17Arathisanyone else getting freezes on iriver h10 very often with a current build?
20:59:52dan_aArathis: amiconn has been looking for an H10 owner....
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21:00:13Arathisamiconn: your search ends here ;)
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21:22:06Soul-SlayerI too have an H10 if you need help amiconn?
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21:24:31micklebygreetings and felicitations
21:25:10ArathisSoul-Slayer: 5/6gb or 20gb?
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21:56:26lymeca_I'm getting a sad iPod face with an Apple iPod support URL when I try to boot up my 4th gen iPod now. It also makes clicking noises until it powers off.
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21:56:44ArathisSoul-Slayer: I've got 20gb. So we have all we need ;)
21:57:14Soaplymeca: if I had to guess I would say your hard drive is toast.
21:57:30SoapDo you know how to force your iPod 4th gen into disk mode?
21:57:42lymecaNot 100% sure
21:57:48lymecaWhat is it Select + Left?
21:59:01Soapselect is the center button
21:59:13Soaphttp://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651
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22:00:16dionoeaBagder: ?
22:00:27Soapin general you should see Apple for all the iPod's on-screen error icons/codes/messages. They do a pretty dang good job of troubleshooting them all
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22:06:14lymecaarrgghh this is awful
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22:09:00micklebylymeca_: My 5th gen behaved as yours a few days for no good reason (i.e. sadMac, clicking drive). I let it rest, and a few hours later it started up just as normal.. Just saying take your time before you do anything radical
22:10:39lymecamickleby: Do you jog with it or otherwise subject it to rapid movements while it's playing back?
22:11:04lymecaI've tried hitting it on the back a couple times on my desk
22:11:43lymecaAnd I've tried holding Select+Menu and various other combinations to get it to start up...booting into disk mode doesn't even seem to work.
22:12:06lymecaIt charges when I plug it into USB. It shows a large charging battery icon.
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22:15:45lymecaA couple times it showed a folder with an exclamation mark instead of an unhappy iPod face, but the behavior seemed consistant. (clicks and reboot)
22:15:45micklebylymeca: wouldn't recommend jogging with a harddrive player, no. have you found key sequnce that reboots the box?
22:16:58micklebylymeca: I came in in the middle of your desc. What precipitated your issues?
22:18:31lymecaHmm, well I was dancing around outside with it in my pocket last night, no different from normal use I put it through, really...
22:18:56lymecaThen the Rockbox UI froze and wasn't responding but the music still played
22:19:16lymecaI was in the ROckbox main menu and the backlight would turn on fine but none of the buttons did ANYTHING
22:19:27lymecaSo it just kept going from track to track and finished the playlist
22:19:39lymecaThen I manually rebooted it hitting Select+Menu I think
22:19:58lymecaThen when I tried starting it up it clicked and wouldn't boot into Rockbox
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22:20:55lymecaNow I can't even get into disk mode and when I plug it into USB it will charge but every once in a while it will try and boot up but just start clicking and showing the sad iPod face again until it goes back to simply charging again.
22:21:05lymecaNo Rockbox in sight
22:21:40micklebylymeca: yeah, seems obvious hd problem, likely another damned dancing related injury! (Not to make lite of seriousness) Have you tried diskcheck?
22:22:13lymecaI've not,no...
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22:22:20lymecaHow can I try that?
22:22:58micklebylymeca: well we need to get it to mount as a hd on your computer. do you linux, windows, mac, vax?
22:23:09lymecavax!
22:23:18dionoeavax?
22:23:20lymecaI mean,uhh,Debian GNU+Linux.
22:23:34micklebyflashbacks, sorry
22:25:03micklebylymeca: don't spurn me, but I have a windows background from which I am recovering. Am sure you can find someone more qualified to help you determine if the harddrive can be rescued by linux.
22:25:36micklebylymeca: essentially, you mount the drive and run whatever disk checking util is available
22:25:48dionoeafsck.vfat
22:25:57lymecamickleby: From which you are recovering,eh? What are you using now?
22:26:14lymecadionoea: Sure,but how the hell do I mount the damn thing if I can't boot it up?
22:26:46dionoeawell you can't :)
22:26:53dionoeaSo you phone the Apple consumer support
22:27:01dionoeaand hope that your iPod's warranty is still ok
22:27:03micklebylymeca: this is a windows xp laptop I grabbed on Black Friday for $200. 2G, 1.87Ghz .. functions for now
22:27:43lymecamickleby: Using Windows XP doesn't count as "recovering" from a Windows background.
22:27:48dionoea:)
22:28:17micklebyyes, but I program using the debian vmware.. it's something
22:28:58*lymeca uses Xen
22:30:43*lymeca doubts the iPod is still under warranty
22:30:50micklebyseems the we live in virtual times, with virtual presidents, and virtual freedoms..
22:30:55Soul-SlayerDoes anyone know what ampage the standard battery in the Gigabeat is? Rockbox defaults it to 2000, but replacement batteries are apparently 850?
22:32:27micklebylymeca: took my 5th gen on the last day of warranty and got a brand-spanking-new one with very few queries made. Be certain about warranty before you open the iPod case
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22:32:52lymecaDoes putting Rockbox on void the warranty?
22:34:53micklebylymeca: why mention that?
22:35:09lymecaWell,now,I probably wouldn't either way
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22:38:38micklebylymeca: sorry if redundant: I am no rb 'pert, but I spoke up because I had a harddrive issue to share. in my case I think the hd arm got stuck, and became unstuck later. I had planned to wipe or even replace the hd. so I am EVER so glad that I didn't jump off too soon. Certainly hope that this is your future, but for hardware advice I can offer little more.
22:40:30lymecaYeah it's out of warranty... apparently the thing was purchased on January 29th, 2005
22:40:39lymecaWAY out of warranty probably
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22:42:56micklebylymeca: I live 3 mi from an Apple store, so I would stop in, even w/o warrenty. And regards recovery, will I need to go cold turkey on AOE3? forefend!
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22:44:35lymecamickleby: bad choice, a Microsoft published game. Many (most?) Windows-only games work in WINE or Cedega. Not AoE III though...
22:44:54lymecaI get my fix listening to the soundtrack with Amarok.
22:45:00lymeca<3 Stephen Rippy
22:46:52micklebylymeca: one nice thing about addiction is that it can be transferred. are there compelling linux multiplayer strategy games.. (MS brain drain alert! have I never heard of chess? othello?)
22:47:05croppondlife: ping
22:49:34krazykitmickleby, wesnoth ;)
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23:13:55amiconnno, should have checked mail first :)
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23:48:11Jinx|xniJHello
23:48:47Jinx|xniJI just got an 80gig ipod today, and i think im going to flash its firmware. :)
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23:52:09Jinx|xniJDo you guys notice an increase in the battery life with BOS?
23:52:35BagderBOS?
23:52:48dan_aOn an iPod, Rockbox will give you a worse battery life
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23:52:50Bagderand btw, rockbox isn't "flashed" on ipods
23:53:31*scorche wonders if that part in the topic has worn out its welcome yet
23:54:43Bagderwell, as a lurker you don't read topic updates from long ago
23:54:49Bagdernot when the topics are this overly long anyway
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23:55:14Bagderthen what is BOS supposed to mean?
23:55:29scorchebag of shit ;)
23:55:39*Bagder ohs
23:55:51krazykiti thought it was better as Box of Sweetness (in my mind)
23:56:47Jinx|xniJAnyways, yeah i read the instal part, i see it isnt a flash
23:56:59scorcheand this topic is likely on the short end compared to most the topics on freenode
23:57:10Jinx|xniJwhat kind of battery life are you looking at on an ipod video? Depend on what type of file your listening to or?
23:57:23Bagderpossibly, I'm just of the old school where we had < 80 columns topics
23:57:27scorcheit depends on various things, yes
23:57:53scorcheJinx|xniJ: around 50-70% i believe is the current guesstimate
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23:58:12Bagderbut I'll admit that I usually put my irc window so that the topic isn't shown anyway ;-)
23:58:16PaulJamJinx|xniJ: i would expect 50-60% of the batterylife in the apple firmware. see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodRuntime
23:58:20Jinx|xniJWell for lossless, i think i might be willing to forgoe that
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