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#rockbox log for 2007-07-12

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00:30:22linuxstbsaratoga: Regarding your WMA commit - the asf parser (apps/metadata/asf.c) should reject the streams, rather than the codec. Although it doesn't seem like it does....
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00:39:11saratogalinuxstb: can you actually determine the WMA version number in the parser?
00:39:23saratogai assumed the codec had to do that
00:39:40linuxstbIt's the parser that reads the info and passes it to the codec.
00:40:05linuxstbThat info is in the header object, not the data packets that the codec is passed.
00:41:01saratogagood to know
00:41:07linuxstbFiles without a wmav1 or wmav2 stream should have been rejected - it's a bug in my code that they weren't.
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00:43:14adrifthey folks, was wondering if you could possibly lend some advice about an issue i'm having with rockbox on my sansa. O
00:43:33adriftI'm dealing with an issue where the audio seems to crash out on me
00:44:01adriftbasically it produces a loud screeching, like a needle on a record player being pulled hard
00:44:38adrifti can get out of it by jumping through a few directories or restarting the system, but its happening with some frequency now
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00:46:16adrifti started a thread on the issue at AnythingbutIpod.com's Rockbox forum, and it seems others are dealing with a similar issue with current builds of rockbox
00:46:29adrifthttp://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17166
00:47:11linuxstbIs this a new issue?
00:47:33adriftit is
00:47:40chrisjs169i've noticed something similar on my Sansa a few weeks ago when reloading the config file
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00:48:10chrisjs169it'd basically go to either a loud static or a loud screeching noise (can't remember atm)
00:48:11adrifti've noticed it in several builds as well.
00:48:17adriftyeah
00:48:28adriftsort of both for me :)
00:48:35Hilikushey guys
00:49:00Hilikuswhat do you recommend to edit audio? i recorder a show with rockbox and now i want to edit the file
00:49:18Lloreanadrift: One person in the thread said it happens in the official firmware
00:50:09linuxstbHilikus: What format is your recording (MP3, WAV, ....) ?
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00:50:15adriftyeah i noticed that Llorean... I haven't had the issue in the OF. don't know
00:50:15Hilikusmp3
00:50:23Hilikusbut i want to uncompress it
00:50:27Lloreanadrift: If it happens in the official firmware, it's a hardware thing.
00:50:30adriftthought maybe you all had heard something about it
00:50:32adriftok
00:50:40LloreanNobody's reporded it in our bug tracker.
00:50:46saratogabug reports on ABI can be questionable since everyone there is running with various patches
00:50:50adriftdo you have any suggestions? should i reformat?
00:51:02LloreanRun an official version of Rockbox with an official bootloader
00:51:13LloreanIf it happens see if you can figure out how to reliably reproduce it, or what settings make it more likely
00:51:38saratogaan easier way to erase your rockbox install is to just delete the .rockbox folder and then uninstall the booloader
00:51:51Hilikusmaybe transcode it to a lossless codec, what are your thoughts on that? im assuming its ok since its to lossless
00:53:20linuxstbHilikus: It depends what kinds of edits you want to perform. If you just want to cut/splice it, you can use mp3directcut which won't re-encode. If you want to do more, than just decode to WAV and use any audio editor - audacity is a free (open source) audio editor.
00:53:37Hilikusaudacy, got it
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00:54:01adriftok thanks for the advice guys. I really appreciate it.
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00:57:25Lloreanadrift: And of course, after you can reproduce it, a bug report would be welcome rather than discussing it at off-site forums.
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01:06:20DerPapstGood night everyone :)
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02:33:29chrisjs169I can't remember who it was that was asking me if I had pics of the SE earlier, but I found them on ABi
02:33:34chrisjs169(http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/07/sandisk-sansa-express-disassembled.php#more)
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02:49:16GretMy iRiver H10 6gb is crashing whenever I go to play music
02:49:23Gretwith the latest build of Rockbox
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02:50:08Gretit just gave me an error that says 00591B8 and froze 10 seconds into a song
02:50:22GretUndefined instruction 00691B8
02:50:30Gretcan someone help me?
02:51:28saratogachrisjs169: looks like a sigmatel chipset, so probably not
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03:11:06chrisjs169"<saratoga> chrisjs169: looks like a sigmatel chipset, so probably not" <- so the SE most likely can't be ported?
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03:28:58saratogachrisjs169: theres almost no info for those chips
03:29:16saratogaif that model is based on arm, it might be possible, but would likely be a gigantic effort to get working
03:29:21saratogaso i'd say the odds are near zero
03:29:34chrisjs169ok, will make sure the members at ABI know that
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04:26:17kfazzwas the static that prompted the re-removal of sansa frequency scaling a very noticable thing?
04:26:30kfazzcuz i re-re-enabled it and i'm not noticing anything
04:27:32saratogakfazz: no it wasn't
04:27:39saratogai used it for a couple days without ever noticing it
04:27:49saratogayou had to play a lot of files that didn't boost the CPU to notice it
04:28:03kfazzk
04:28:07saratogaa good way to reproduce it is to play a .wav file while scrolling through menus
04:28:20saratogabut i think it also broke recording too
04:28:27saratogaso it was a fairly serious problem
04:28:57kfazzi personally don't use recording, so i think i'll just enjoy the longer battery life
04:30:10kfazzhmm.. just tried recording and it works
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04:35:51saratogalinuxstb: i'm syncing a huge amount of the wma codec to ffmpeg
04:35:54iambenwhere is that sansa static problem documented?
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04:36:10saratogait works on my sansa, and I think its safe, but theres a good chance it will break something
04:36:16saratogai'll look into it in the morning
04:36:34saratogaon the upside, this brings us 10x closer to being synced to ffmpeg
04:36:54saratogaand it opens the way for various optimizations and makes fixing that remaining LSP bug easier for me
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04:46:57iambennm i got it
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04:47:35iambeni was about to start whining about strange static when playing flac, but it must have been that scaling issue, got a newer build and its good now
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04:50:20SoapLlorean, what made you suspect it was a mp4 transcoded to mp3?
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04:56:29LloreanSoap: Not really here right now, but look at the comment tag. I'm almost certain that's the iTunes identifier.
04:56:41Soapahh
04:56:56Soapjust trying to learn from ya, don't doubt you
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05:06:55renesis__hi
05:07:01iambenso i take is this is more of a dev chan than a user chan? or it just turned out that way?
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05:07:15renesishow do i do castling in chessbox?
05:07:20renesisthe computer can do it
05:07:25renesisits frustrating
05:08:15kfazzanyone managed to get sansa cpu freq to something besides 24,30,or 75?
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05:08:37kfazzi'm looking at system-pp502x.c
05:16:17saratogakfazz: search the logs, amiconn has been talking about that for the last week
05:17:30kfazzk
05:17:33kfazzthanks
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05:36:45JdGordonscorche: you round?
05:36:52*scorche nods
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05:37:09JdGordoncan you check the delta on a patch for me for the ondio please?
05:37:36scorcheperhaps...just a sec while i put away dinner
05:37:48JdGordonjdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/debug_lists.diff">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/debug_lists.diff
05:37:54JdGordonmmmm... dinner *drools*
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05:38:02*JdGordon should do something about lunch
05:41:59scorcheactually, i dont even know if my vmware image will compile...i have been messed around with it a lot when i was trying to put out a new version
05:42:03scorchelets test =)
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05:58:13scorcheJdGordon: which ondio?
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06:06:51JdGordonscorche: soz, you made me hungry... yeah either ondio is good
06:07:50webguest18has the rockbox battery life on ipods improved at all lately?
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06:09:12scorchelinux and windows have such differing opinions on file size...
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06:13:15JdGordongrr.. /me gtg
06:13:34scorche1 more min and i will have teh delta for you
06:14:54scorcheom...it grew 2 bytes...can that be right?
06:15:30scorcheJdGordon:
06:15:39JdGordon2 bytes?
06:15:57JdGordonim happy with that.. although thats gotta be wrong :D
06:16:24scorchelet me compile once more...
06:16:42scorchewell, if you need to go...
06:16:45JdGordondont wory, ill prob comit it anyway
06:17:03scorchealright...sorry =/
06:17:22JdGordonno worries
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06:17:39scorcheoh!...i was totally looking at the worng thing...i have too many things in my head =/
06:17:53JdGordon:)
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06:18:22JdGordonreally heading off this time.. back in 40min or so
06:18:31*scorche would rather not reveal what he was looking at instead of size...
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06:19:59*scorche shrugs it off and goes back to work on the theme repository
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06:36:28fuuuuuumy ipod crashed and I cant reset it
06:37:49scorcheturn the hold switch on and then off again, then hold menu + select for 30 seconds
06:39:35fuuuuuui´ve just instaled and it says "data abort at..."
06:40:12scorcheit will reset if you do it right...
06:40:23fuuuuuuwow
06:40:33fuuuuuuok, now I was able to reset
06:40:45fuuuuuuthanks
06:40:46scorcheare you using the latest build?
06:41:09fuuuuuucurrent
06:41:19scorcheand the latest bootloader?
06:43:42fuuuuuuipodpatcher 1.0 with 1.1 bootloaders
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06:47:45scorchewhen did you last update it?
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06:51:35advcomp2019has someone opened an e200r series to see if it is running the same stuff as the plain e200... is that why they cant rockbox the r series
06:52:34scorcheadvcomp2019: you can read what is holding the R port up in the forum thread about it
06:54:19advcomp2019i know but could those issues be cause by different hardware tho
06:54:54advcomp2019inside
06:55:09scorcheit doesnt have anything to do with different hardware
06:55:42advcomp2019o ok i was just wondering
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07:49:58Transienceis anyone in here involved with the Creative Zen Vision M port?
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07:52:23webguest13can someone show me how to install or what program to download for the newest ipod 30gig
07:52:38alienbiker99its all on the wiki page
07:53:15scorches/wiki page/manual
07:54:41webguest13whats teh url
07:54:53scorchewebguest13: www.rockbox.org
07:55:08scorchethe search for the link that says "manual"
07:56:37ptw419where are the fonts defined?
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08:00:09GRaTTI just did a format and fresh install of RB on my sansa and keep getting an undefined instruction 01000010
08:00:22GRaTTany help would be appreciated
08:00:43ptw419or better yet what file has the font defines?
08:03:03TiMiD[FD]ptw419: what do you mean ?
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08:03:33ptw419Llorean told me last night that the fonts were numbered
08:03:51ptw419where can I find out which font is represented by which number
08:04:11amiconnThere are only 2 numbers
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08:04:28amiconn0 is FONT_SYSFIXED, 1 is FONT_UI
08:04:47ptw419ok, then I'm misunderstanding this :\
08:04:55amiconnfirmware/export/font.h
08:05:11TiMiD[FD]ah that
08:05:27amiconnFONT_SYSFIXED is built in, FONT_UI is what the user selects
08:05:40TiMiD[FD]what do you wanna do exactly ?
08:05:53ptw419so I would do font_init(FONT_UI)
08:06:06ptw419but from there how would I select the font i want to use?
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08:06:53amiconnNo, you won't. font_init() is called at boot and never needs to be called again
08:06:55TiMiD[FD]lcd_setfont(FONT_UI)
08:07:15TiMiD[FD]will set the font to the system font
08:07:18ptw419ok, I recounted the wrong function heh
08:07:32ptw419but say I wanted to set it to Nimbus19
08:07:40TiMiD[FD]you want to load the font from disk ?
08:08:14ptw419loaded from memory
08:08:21ptw419from the bootloader
08:09:29TiMiD[FD]so you want to replace the built in font with another one in the bootloader ?
08:09:39ptw419yes, if possible
08:13:13TiMiD[FD]it is defined in the build directory ( sysfont.h )
08:14:03ptw419ah, awesome
08:14:10ptw419thanks that should do it hopefully
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08:17:15TiMiD[FD]good luck
08:18:13TiMiD[FD]one of those days I'll be so bored at work that I'll try to implement the independant font for remote and main
08:18:28ptw419i think it is initialized before then somewhere, but that gives a good lead where to start
08:18:41TiMiD[FD]yes probably in the configure
08:19:34ptw419my thougths too
08:21:20*amiconn wonders why one would need a different font in the bootloader
08:21:26TiMiD[FD]you could also just change the rockbox_default.bdf with another one
08:21:34TiMiD[FD]hehe
08:21:43TiMiD[FD]people are kamikaze sometimes
08:21:46ptw419haha
08:21:50amiconnTiMiD[FD]: No, you can't
08:22:02amiconnRockbox relies on the sysfont being 6x8
08:22:15amiconnThat's #defined somewhere
08:22:19TiMiD[FD]of course I can ^^
08:22:19ptw419well i'm trying to get a pic of hello world on the gigabeat S but I can't get my camera to focus w/ the small font
08:22:33amiconnah
08:22:37ptw419but aliask has a pic, so that may be solved...
08:22:38TiMiD[FD]even if I'll end up with a brick :)
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08:23:30scorcheptw419: his pic seems to be fine =)
08:23:50scorcheinteresting static =P
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08:25:29TiMiD[FD]who wrote the ata code for iriver ?
08:25:36TiMiD[FD]h1x0 I mean
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08:26:13amiconnThe asm?
08:26:26TiMiD[FD]hmm no
08:26:44TiMiD[FD]the tests
08:26:45ptw419scorche : the static is just decoration :)
08:26:50amiconnThe general ata code is the same for all hdd based rockbox targets
08:27:03amiconnWhat tests?
08:27:24TiMiD[FD]I was obliged to disable some code to make the bootloader actually detect the disk
08:27:56scorcheyou are editing the H1x0 bootloader?
08:28:07amiconnouch
08:28:14TiMiD[FD]oh I had no choice
08:28:19scorchegutsy...
08:28:27TiMiD[FD]it would say "ata error -32" or something like that
08:28:44*scorche should tell Linus_N to expect another iriver to fix
08:28:57*scorche wonders why he put the underscore int here
08:28:58amiconnThe -32 should tell you where it failed
08:29:01TiMiD[FD]also it was unable to boot with the remote connected (saying the hold button was on)
08:29:02ptw419i wonder if it would be difficult to create a gigabeat S gdb stub, or even worth it
08:29:04TiMiD[FD]yes
08:29:10TiMiD[FD]I found it and disabled that part
08:29:18TiMiD[FD]then recompiled and flashed
08:29:21amiconnBut the code works on all other H1x0s so something must be wrong with your unit
08:29:26TiMiD[FD]work pretty well
08:29:30TiMiD[FD]hmm
08:29:44TiMiD[FD]actually there was another guy who had a similar problem on the forum
08:30:04TiMiD[FD]but disabling that part make my unit work again
08:30:22amiconn"that part" is rather imprecise
08:30:37TiMiD[FD]the check_registers function in ata.c
08:30:41amiconnlinuxstb__: around?
08:30:48TiMiD[FD]line 716
08:31:04TiMiD[FD]just made it return 0 in all cases
08:31:27TiMiD[FD]apart from the bootloader, the daily builds with that enabled work fine
08:31:59amiconnThis tests is for checking whether the ata registers can be written&read reliably
08:32:19amiconnIf this fails, expect other ata commands to go wrong occasionally
08:32:36TiMiD[FD]it fails only in the bootloader
08:33:16TiMiD[FD]when it's executed for the second time by the loaded image, it fails no more
08:33:56TiMiD[FD]that's weird ...
08:34:36amiconnPerhaps a timing problem - but that should be caught...
08:36:38TiMiD[FD]it's also disabled on PP5002
08:39:29TiMiD[FD]if it was a timing problem why wouldn't that fail twice ?
08:39:56TiMiD[FD]the cpu frequency is different when in bootloader and in normal mode ?
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08:46:50amiconnI mean boot timing. The disk might not be ready when check_registers() is called
08:47:29amiconnOr rather, it says it's ready but doesn't react properly yet
08:49:26TiMiD[FD]maybe differences in the hardware ?
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08:50:06TiMiD[FD]I remember seing some people getting the same error on other forums
08:50:24TiMiD[FD]not a lot though
08:52:28Transienceis anyone here working on the ZVM port?
08:53:04Transiencei think that i have a way forward on it
08:53:10scorcheTransience: we heard yout he first time
08:53:18scorcheand they dont really hang out here
08:53:26Transienceoh
08:53:37scorcheyou might want to post your idea in its thread on the forums
08:53:49Transiencesorry, my network bumped me so i wasn't sure that i got through the first time
08:53:58Transiencei did
08:54:21Transiencei don't have the disassembly skill to test my idea though
08:54:50scorchewell then just wait till you get a response from the thread
08:55:06Transiencekk
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09:07:11scorchebluebrother: around?
09:08:23GodEater_oh lord
09:08:38GodEater_linuxstb is a drinking machine
09:08:48scorcheah...was that today?
09:08:56GodEater_last night my time
09:09:02GodEater_maybe today by yours ;)
09:09:08scorche=)
09:09:18scorchehave fun?
09:09:18dan_aGodEater_: How's your head?
09:09:21markunGodEater_: did anyone take pictures?
09:09:32GodEater_the head's okay - Febs wife took a couple of pics
09:09:44GodEater_before we really got going too - so maybe we won't look like drunken slobs
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09:10:06GodEater_yeah it was most excellent fun
09:10:17GodEater_definitely on for another one soon if you're still due in town dan_a ;)
09:10:36GodEater_Maybe Bagder will remember the T-Shirts this time too
09:10:53GodEater_Febs was very disappointed - he really needed a T-Shirt - given that Gatwick managed to lose his luggage
09:10:55dan_aI'm around from 23rd, flying out on Friday 27th
09:10:57scorchedont tell me this si going to happen everytime rockbox devs meet up =P
09:12:40GodEater_well dan_a - you suggest a day - we'll try and make it
09:13:36scorchehrm...perhaps i should have arranged a "lets get plastered" night at DCW...
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09:13:47dan_aI need to check what bands are playing that week, then I'll post something that doesn't clash on the forum thread :)
09:14:16GodEater_good idea
09:14:47GodEater_scorche: you mean you didn't manage to get plastered ? ;)
09:14:59scorchenaw...we only had a few beers
09:15:08scorcheand 2 didnt drink
09:15:18GodEater_that makes it socially akward
09:15:25GodEater_+w
09:15:27scorchenot terrinly =P
09:15:31scorcheterribly
09:15:32GodEater_hehe
09:15:45GodEater_I'm not sure I'd have been able to concentrate on a DevCon in Vegas
09:15:58scorcheyou would have been surprised...
09:15:59GodEater_I'd definitely have been attracted by the pretty lights :)
09:17:10bluebrotherscorche: yes, but I need to leave in a few minutes.
09:17:22scorchebluebrother: ah...then nvm =)
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09:27:50cropIf I go to the voice menu (on my H120) and leave it by pressing LEFT (without changes), the splash "Cancelled" is displayed. I thought it shouldn't be shown if no changes are made to the setting. And it works like this in other menus. Does the voise menu has special code?
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09:43:53pondlifeHit and run - could anyone who has a clue about the Ipod 4G stability see if http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7398#comment16243 is a support issue perhaps. Smells like one to me.
09:44:03pondlifeBack next week.
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09:54:19TiMiD[FD]does someone here know what kind of bug can cause a stack overflow ?
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10:07:53peturTiMiD[FD]: recursions, big arrays on the stack (defined in a local function), ...
10:08:50peturaustriancoder: how are things going?
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10:11:51austriancoderpetur: had to spend yesterday with my bacc thesis - needed to do some correction reading, but today I want to get it running
10:13:10petursooo.... you want to get a positive midterm evaluation? ;)
10:13:28austriancoder;)
10:13:30austriancodersure
10:13:59peturI'll have the results on my desk friday evening then :p
10:14:39scorchepetur: can i get a positive midterm evaluation as well?
10:14:51peturfor what?
10:15:05scorchei dont know..i thought you were offering one to everyone =(
10:15:25peturaustriancoder: did you see my mail and did it make any sense?
10:16:50austriancoderpetur: jep got it.. I am fixing queue head init right now
10:17:33peturI'm not saying it was wrong, just suggesting stuff to look at...
10:18:05peturI'm not familiar with that usb controller at all
10:18:08Neovanglistgaim
10:18:11Neovanglistdoh
10:18:13Neovanglistsorry:)
10:19:01austriancoderpetur: It must be this or the way I generate the transfer descriptors.. give about 10-15 minutes and I can tell you more
10:19:25peturno hurry, I'm working (or should be) anyway
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10:22:48aliaskWe're looking at setting up some kind of repository for the gigabeat port while it's not ready for the main tree. Git or SVN? :)
10:24:27TiMiD[FD]petur: well the mpeg player is always crashing with a stack overflow
10:24:34TiMiD[FD]I wonder what's wrong
10:25:08peturTiMiD[FD]: 1) main stack too small or 2) too much data allocated on the stack
10:25:24Zagoraliask: how about a branch in the main svn?
10:25:28TiMiD[FD]that doesn't depends on the target right ?
10:25:46aliaskZagor: That'd work quite well I think.
10:25:55peturTiMiD[FD]: no, except maybe for some targets with less memory
10:26:07TiMiD[FD]ok so ...
10:26:21TiMiD[FD]I suppose I'm the only one here to have this plugin crash
10:26:40Zagoraliask: I think it would be good. that way the project is very visible and accessible even though it's not in the main trunk.
10:26:55TiMiD[FD](not that I use it intensively, on a grayscale screen it doesn't renders that good)
10:27:33TiMiD[FD]I'll try to monitor at which point it crashes
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10:27:46ptw419zagor: definately that would be a big help
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10:29:02Zagoraliask, ptw419: do you all have commit access already, or does someone need to be added?
10:29:23aliaskI don't think either of us have any sort of access
10:29:32Zagorok
10:29:51ptw419i don't have access
10:29:56peturTiMiD[FD]: you could try to increase the main stack a little bit and see if it helps. If a small increase helps, then it was running it against the limits...
10:31:18Zagoraliask: who is working on this port?
10:31:42aliaskAt the moment, pretty much ptw419 and myself only.
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10:33:11TiMiD[FD]petur: but if I seem to be the only one getting this error
10:33:26TiMiD[FD]so it's probably a bug related to my hardware
10:34:01peturTiMiD[FD]: can't believe that... does it depend on the movie you play? Using svn or custom build?
10:34:03TiMiD[FD]it started to happen when I updated the bootloader (or maybe with the next build)
10:34:18TiMiD[FD]no it crashes on every movie instantaneously
10:34:24TiMiD[FD]but I use a svn bootloader
10:34:42TiMiD[FD]is the stack initialized in the bootloader ?
10:36:06peturI woulnd't think so
10:36:16peturwhat device?
10:36:30TiMiD[FD]iriver h1x0
10:37:04*GodEater_ didn't even know mpegplayer ran on the h1x0
10:37:08peturmaybe nobody else watches movies on it so nobody noticed anything?
10:37:16TiMiD[FD]haha probably :)
10:37:16peturdoes it use grayscale lib?
10:37:26TiMiD[FD]it's so laggy and ugly !
10:37:30TiMiD[FD]yes it does
10:37:40peturthat could be the reason then
10:37:46TiMiD[FD]ok
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10:38:04linuxstbamiconn: I'm here briefly
10:38:12peturmaybe it's at the limit and the extra mem for grayscale lib makes it too much
10:38:16TiMiD[FD]maybe the use of the grayscale lib takes more space in the stack ....
10:38:22peturexactly
10:38:30TiMiD[FD]but
10:38:35*petur looks at linuxstb and amiconn
10:38:42TiMiD[FD]it happened when I updated the bootloader
10:39:01amiconnlinuxstb: The wmacodec in svn sets CONFIG_ALIGN for all targets, but in fact we only need it for arm
10:39:24TiMiD[FD]I will try to increase it's size if it's not obfuscated in asm code
10:39:33amiconnI tried undefining it for coldfire, and after some other fixes I got it working
10:39:39GodEater_how's the head this morning linuxstb ? ;)
10:39:54amiconnGives about 1.5% speedup (143->145% realtime with 128kbps)
10:40:02amiconnDo you think it's worth it?
10:40:14GodEater_any speedup is worth it imo
10:40:24amiconnBtw, the bswap.h stuff is only ever used when CONFIG_ALIGN is undefined
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10:41:09linuxstbamiconn: That was something I wanted to look at as well, so am happy you've done it first. Yes, I think it's worthwhile, every little helps.
10:41:47linuxstbShouldn't we be using the system.h swapping functions instead of bswap.h?
10:41:55TiMiD[FD]amiconn: do you know by any chance where is the stack size located ? isn't that related to the global memory map ?
10:41:58cropAnyone about the "menu bug"? (see 9:27)
10:44:01amiconnTiMiD[FD]: Define _the_ stacksize. Every thread has its own stack
10:44:49amiconnlinuxstb: I already hooked our swap functions into bswap.h. Maybe we should use them directly and get rid of bswap.h instead (again)?
10:44:59TiMiD[FD]oh ok
10:45:16TiMiD[FD]it's defined per thread
10:45:26amiconnI'm not sure how much it matters to deviate from ffmpeg code
10:45:49peturTiMiD[FD]: the plugins use the main stack
10:46:10linuxstbI'm not sure either, but saratoga seems to be currently syncing code to current ffmpeg SVN (the codec was based on a very old version of ffmpeg), so I'm guessing at least for now we should try and stay with ffmpeg.
10:46:17amiconnTiMiD[FD]: The main stack is 8KB on all targets. This is defined in the linker script. Then there's a default stack size (1KB) #define d for other threads, but many threads modify that
10:47:05TiMiD[FD]ok
10:47:16TiMiD[FD]but I get the error in the main stack so
10:47:43TiMiD[FD]anyway time to go back home :)
10:47:53TiMiD[FD]I'll look at that later
10:48:30linuxstbGodEater_: The head's fine ;)
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10:49:26GodEater_linuxstb: I got away hangover free too - though my stomach's still complaing a little about the curry. Glad I can say I've been to the "original" indian restaurant in London. Not sure I'd go back though :)
10:51:27linuxstbI like the food there. Although I've obviously never eaten the meat...
10:53:01GodEater_yes, the "cat" curry might be what's not agreed with me...
10:53:33peturmeow?
10:55:14GodEater_petur: we were told it was lamb, but there was some joke made about it possibly being of feline origin ;)
10:55:33peturheh
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10:56:37peturI don't really like eating indian because I never manage to identify what's in there...
10:57:35GodEater_Did anyone get husitska's real name in the end ? I'm embarrassed to say I never found out...
10:57:37scorchewhy is it that all 3 meetings have had indian food somewhere in them?
10:57:46GodEater_scorche: it's traditional ;)
10:57:54scorcheit wasnt even planned!
10:58:38linuxstbGodEater_: Had chance to open your 3G yet?
10:59:02markunlinuxstb: you don't eat meat?
10:59:14GodEater_linuxstb: yes - already changed the HD over. I didn't spot it last night but your drive was a single platter - so I had to pad the inside of the case with a "Pret A Manger" napkin to stop the drive rattling around.
10:59:37GodEater_bet the ipod modders out there would love to see that ;)
10:59:54linuxstbmarkun: Not for about 17 years.
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11:00:15markunI only stopped eatig it 5 years ago :)
11:00:29scorchecrazy people...
11:00:47markunspending all their time on rockbox and alcohol..
11:01:18linuxstbTwo things that can't be mixed efficiently...
11:01:42linuxstb(unless it's sitting in a pub complaining about the forum posters)
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11:02:06scorchewho needs a pub to do that?
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11:09:42GodEater_you don't *need* a pub to do that - but it did make it more fun ;)
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11:16:41GodEater_linuxstb__: the ipod restore has worked too - the original owner is now a happy man :)
11:16:44markunmidk: what's up?
11:16:55midksorry, almost done
11:18:00*scorche wonders if midk has developed a bit of schizophrenia and is trying it out in an irc environment
11:18:06midkhaha.
11:18:25midkscorche: you may have some idea what this is about. :E
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11:48:12JdGordonanyone want to test out the new hard disk debug screen before I commit?
11:49:23JdGordontoo slow... looks sooo much nicer
11:52:15JdGordonany objection to merging the 3 different disk info names in the debug menu to just "view disk info" ?
11:52:35JdGordoninstead of "view MMC info", "view microSD info" and "view disk info"
11:53:41JdGordonanyone still alive?
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11:55:29Nick_Brackleyyep, no objections here
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12:02:42JdGordon:O what happened to our nice green table?
12:03:19JdGordonbitstream.c: In function 'build_table': <- anyone else think thats a funny function name to cause the colour :)
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12:04:57peturI wonder why he doesn't fix it :(
12:05:24JdGordonin the land off nod maybe?
12:06:08*JdGordon loves when some targets go green and some red in the deltas
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12:13:27safetydanhuzzah! database sort tags sort of works
12:15:55krpi didn't find information about a global bug which affects database refresh on the sansa e200
12:16:27krpto upload new mp3s i just boot on the old firmware, upload the files via mass storage, and reboot again on the old firmware
12:16:37krpi then reboot on rockbox
12:16:53krpand it does not try to update automatically (the auto update option is not set)
12:17:19krpwhen i go in the menus and manually update, it never works the first time, i have to do it like 2 or 3 times
12:17:38krphas anyone experienced the same stuff ? ^^
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12:41:55PaulJamcould one of the devs who use the random folder function have a look at FS #7077 ?
12:42:58LqRHow's rockbox working on iPod photo these days?
12:45:05LqRI remember having to use special patched builds without the CPU frequency scaling options, because they randomly crashed it
12:46:00PaulJamLqR: i think amoconn fixed those crashes some days ago.
12:46:19JdGordonPaulJam: whats 7077?
12:46:54JdGordonah, yeah
12:48:04LqRcool.
12:48:10LqRPerhaps I'll give it a try again then
12:48:18JdGordoni got my uni results... 3/4 credits :)
12:48:27GodEater_well done ;)
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12:48:37LqRhow's the battery time nowadays?
12:48:40JdGordoni was expecting at least 1 fail :)
12:48:57PaulJamLqR: still bad afaik
12:49:18LqRthought so
12:50:08LqRtoo bad. Having a player with large storage capacity sort of loses its meaning when the player dies after being powered on for two hours
12:50:40GodEater_LqR: try a DAP that's better understood
12:51:07GodEater_although 2 hours sounds a little excessive
12:51:12GodEater_I get about 10 out of my video
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12:51:35PaulJamLqR: you should get more than 2 hours. most people report 50-70% of the original firmware.
12:53:41LqRheh, well I use very power-hungry headphones, so it's not just rockbox
12:54:14LqRand I think that was a bit of an understatement too
12:59:32scorchewhat impedance are they?
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13:01:36LqRdon't know
13:01:51LqRheh, wait I'll check
13:03:03LqR32ohms
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13:03:29LqRhttp://www.gradolabs.com/product_pages/sr60.htm <−− those.
13:12:02amiconnPower hungry headphones??
13:12:24scorche32 ohms are not power hungry...
13:12:32amiconnAt reasonable listening volume, the headphone power drain is neglectible compared to the rest of the hardware
13:12:35scorches/are/is
13:12:57scorcheif it was 600 ohms, i could understand...but not 32..
13:13:22amiconn600 ohms headphones need less current than 32 ohms
13:13:56LqRinteresting
13:14:16amiconnIt depends on the sensitivity how much power the headphones need for a certain perceived volume
13:15:02LqRWell, I just supposed they were, because both of the DAPs I've tried them with ran out of battery much faster than when I used other headphones
13:15:12amiconnAnd comparing 2 headphones at the same out power but with different impedance, the ones with higher impedance need less dc power
13:15:43amiconn...because less current means less power loss in the headphone amp.
13:17:27amiconnThe drawback is that the maximum possible output power is lower. Of course its only a drawback if the available power isn't sufficient for the listener
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13:24:37indrohi all
13:24:42indroi updated my rockbox version
13:24:55indronow i get "Incompatible model" when I want run a plugin.
13:25:01indroanyone know whats wrong?
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13:26:03peturunzip everything
13:26:22peturyou didn't overwrite the plugin(s)
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13:30:07indroi removed .rockbox
13:30:15indroand unzipped it
13:30:53indrobut will try again.
13:30:59peturif you remove .rockbox you lost your settings...
13:31:17indroi have backuped it. ;)
13:31:41peturI just unzip everything on top
13:32:17indroi wasnt sure if that works
13:32:29scorcheit does...it just overwrites everything
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13:32:53indrook, good to known, thanks ;)
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13:33:30pixelmawhat player do you have and where do you have the zip from (compiled your own)? "Incompatible _model_" is something else than "Incompatible version"...
13:33:56indroipod 60gb
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13:34:12indrogot it from recent build
13:34:40indrohttp://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo64mb/rockbox.zip
13:35:07indrothis one..
13:35:24scorcheoh bah...i got fooled by that again and pixelma came the the rescue again =/
13:35:45pixelmabut I have no idea, what's wrong now
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13:37:20indrohmm, so what to do`?
13:37:33peturat least the zip looks ok, are you really sure it was unzipped completely (all subdirectories?)
13:37:38pixelmaindro: I'd try to install again - maybe something was messed up during unzipping, if not... maybe try a daily build next?
13:39:07indroi unzipped it again, still same error.
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13:42:00amiconnindro: Mixing the 32 and 64MB builds would cause the same symptom (i.e. plugins from one and rockbox.ipod from the other
13:42:04indrohm on daily builds there is a 32mb and 46mb version.
13:42:17indro*64mb
13:42:52indroi dont mixing
13:43:26pixelmado you have a rockbox,ipod in the root of your player - i.e. not in the .rockbox folder?
13:43:33indrowhats the different between this version?
13:43:35pixelmamaybe?
13:43:43indroand how i know what my player is?
13:44:12pixelma*rockbox.ipod even
13:44:35indroyes there is rockbox.ipod
13:44:49markunindro: the ipod videos with >= 60GB have 64MB
13:45:17pixelmadelete that - this is an old one. The correct place for it is now in the .rockbox folder
13:45:27indrowhy then a 32mb version exist?
13:45:37indropixelma: ok will do that.
13:45:51markunindro: because there are also players with < 60GB which have 32MB
13:45:52indrowhich version should I take now, 32mb or 64mb?
13:46:11indroah okay, I see...
13:46:30indrowill replace now rockbox.ipod
13:46:42pixelmaif you deleted that, you won't need to install the daily build probably
13:47:07indrodeleted what?
13:47:07pixelma(just leave the .rockbox folder you already put on there) ;)
13:47:22pixelmathe rockbox.ipod in the root
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13:47:36pixelmaof your player
13:47:48indrowhy wont need to install daily build?
13:48:07pixelmaI thought you already installed the current one
13:48:32indroi have now installed 32mb daily build
13:48:51indrothought maybe its 64mbit that cause the prob
13:48:59pixelmaif you have a 60GB Ipod, you can take the 64MB build
13:49:22indroyeah, i see now. :)
13:50:24*petur wonders how austriancoder is doing...
13:51:04indroits wrong rockbox.ipod build
13:51:12indrothat cause prob..
13:51:52pixelmawhat do you mean?
13:51:56indro64mb installed, rockbox.ipod replaced, now rebooting. ;)
13:52:50indrow00t, it works, thanks guys! :)
13:53:26peturindro: you should have removed rockbox.ipod from the root, not replaced it....
13:53:46indroyeah i replaced the one in root. ;)
13:53:51peturremove it
13:54:06peturor you'll face the same problem next time
13:54:13indrodid that. ;)
13:54:22peturgood
13:55:12indrothen copied the one from new .rockbox in root
13:55:27peturnooooo
13:55:29pixelmano... leave it in .rockbox - as I said
13:55:50indroohhh okay, will remove it. ^^
13:57:07indrothought the file is necessary in root to boot..
13:59:28peturit was moved to .rockbox
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14:00:05peturdoes the latest bootloader still look for it in the root?
14:00:31indroi think so...
14:00:38pixelmaquote myself "The correct place for it is now in the .rockbox folder" - if you have one in the root, it won't be replaced in a future update. The bootloader might run this version and then you'll get a mismatch with the plugins or codecs again
14:01:12indroits linux ipod loader.
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14:09:32miepchen^schlafhi DerPapst
14:11:41peturwhoa, miepchen^schlaf woke up :)
14:12:10miepchen^schlaf:)
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14:27:53senabis the twiki working properly? the bottom menu isn't coming up for me at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
14:30:15senabno matter, i've worked out the URL manually
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14:41:25Soul-SlayerHey - I think I've busted my Gigabeat, it loads to the rockbox bootloader and halts saying "*PANIC* Error! tick_add_ta sk(): out of tasks"
14:41:37Soul-SlayerMeaning I can't get a USB connection
14:44:03indrois there anyone a package with all rockbox themes?
14:44:41indro*anywhere
14:47:58peturwhat, you want to install them all?
14:48:14peturtry rbutil (RockboxUtility)
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14:49:52jac0bon the gigabeat when I try to play a video it says "incompatible version"
14:50:54jhMikeSSoul-Slayer: I got that one and it was hotswap time.
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14:54:39Soul-SlayerBrilliant, opened it up and doing it fine
14:54:45Soul-SlayerNow to get rid of this corrupt bootloader...
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14:55:17pixelmajac0b: do you have a rockbox.gigabeat in the root of your player (not in the .rockbox folder) by any chance?
14:55:34Soul-SlayerThat was a little worrying, lol
14:56:03jac0bnope
14:56:05jhMikeSI don't think it should be trying to enable that there. :\
14:56:12jac0bits in the .rockbox folder
14:56:29Soul-SlayerI don't like the gooey packaging thing for the hard disk... Hard to work with
14:57:08pixelmajac0b: that should be alright - where do you have the zip from?
14:57:13*jhMikeS 's had sand stuck all over it
14:57:38Soul-Slayero.0...
14:57:41jac0bpixelma: you mean my build
14:57:47pixelmayes
14:58:16Soul-SlayerI hate these screws too lol
14:59:07jhMikeSthose take far longer to find if you drop them than to do the hotswap
14:59:24Soul-SlayerDon't even joke about that
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15:01:53markunjac0b: you get this error when you rockbox.gigabeat and the plugins are out of sync. did you update either of them without updating the other?
15:02:13jac0bhmm
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15:02:34jac0bI will have to update my svn when I get home
15:02:48jac0bI did a fresh build last nite
15:03:11webguest57hey guys im new to rockbox nd have a question for you all
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15:03:35jac0bwhats the question
15:03:37webguest57i have a gigabeat f60 and i cant get a wps to load correctly
15:03:46webguest57any tips?
15:03:52jac0bwhat WPS are you using
15:03:53Soul-SlayerWhats wrong with it?
15:04:03Soul-SlayerIf there is random text/numbers on the screen, you may need a patched build
15:04:53webguest57im trying to use the beatgirl MP
15:05:01webguest57the backdrop loads
15:05:12webguest57but the now playing screen is tha default one
15:05:56Soul-SlayerAll the files are in the correct places?
15:06:20Soul-SlayerAnd did you load it through 'Browse themes'?
15:06:33webguest57i load it through browse themes yeah
15:06:39webguest57and the bacdrop pops up
15:06:49webguest57but when i play a song it looks the same as the default
15:07:00PaulJamthat means that there was an error while loading the wps. propably the wps needs a patched build.
15:07:20Soul-SlayerGO on the forums, under 'Unsupported builds'
15:07:51jac0bthe theme might be updated with the new WPS code
15:07:54Soul-SlayerBut like it says, they are unsupported
15:08:14aliaskThe WPS works on a daily build
15:08:24aliaskAccording to rockbox-themes.org
15:08:30Soul-SlayerHmm
15:08:32Soul-SlayerLet me try it
15:08:34Soul-SlayerSec
15:08:40webguest57ok thank you all!
15:08:49Soul-Slayer*Now his gigabeat is up and running again*
15:09:13Soul-SlayerRight
15:09:16Soul-SlayerYou're correct
15:09:22Soul-SlayerBackbeat MP has the default WPS on mine too
15:09:26jac0bbut that has album art you need a patched build
15:09:27Soul-SlayerAnd I'm using a daily build
15:09:33Soul-SlayerSo you need an unsupported one
15:10:01Soul-SlayerI'm off out now this thing works, thanks jhMikeS
15:10:20webguest57so what can can u do to fix it?
15:10:42jac0byou need to look at the wps code
15:10:48Soul-Slayerhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10163.0
15:10:53Soul-SlayerYou can either install that build
15:10:54*jhMikeS should look into what's up with that
15:10:56Soul-SlayerOr modify the WPS
15:10:59jac0band have a uisimulator
15:12:05jac0bI will be uploading a mofied version of the plainbrown theme today when I get home
15:12:17jac0bwhich will be for the gigabeat
15:12:49webguest57i'll try that build! thanks!
15:13:09pixelmamarkun: if they are out-of-sync, he usually would get "Incompatible version" not "Incompatible model". One gets the latter if you try plugins compiled for the sim on target or vice-versa - in case of the Ipod guy before it was because the old rockbox.ipod in the root of the player was probably compiled before the split of 32/64MB builds...
15:13:32jhMikeSthe build table's getting festively colorful again
15:13:54pixelmamarkun: oh sorry, misread jac0b's report
15:14:48*pixelma goes back to the corner
15:15:39webguest57that worked
15:15:42webguest57THANKS
15:19:09markunpixelma: don't worry :) I'm surprised it wasn't me who got it wrong
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16:19:56PaulJamany forum moderator/admin here?
16:20:08peturfor?
16:21:48PaulJamremoving a link to a warez site.
16:21:53peturwhere?
16:22:32PaulJamhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11521.msg87031;topicseen#msg87031
16:24:26peturthe link he posts doesn't even seem to work, what was it pointing to?
16:25:59PaulJamlooked like a page to download gameboy roms, but i haven't looked very closely at the page.
16:26:49peturI'll remove it...
16:28:14peturdone
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16:46:36PaulJamdoes rockbox read replaygain tags from wma files? i used foobar2000 to add the replaygain tags, but they don't seem to work in rockbox.
16:46:48GodEater_PaulJam: probably not yet
16:46:57GodEater_it's still quite a young codec after all :)
16:47:46PaulJamok
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16:52:44*GodEater_ wonders if he should look into purchasing a gigabeat S now...
16:54:08GodEater_hahahaha - 53sMhz processor
16:54:13GodEater_532 even
16:54:19GodEater_amiconn won't approve at all
16:54:31GodEater_and an FPU of all things
16:55:53Bagdernow we have to port all codecs to do floating point ;-P
16:56:01GodEater_hahahaha
16:56:02markunjust what I was thinking :)
16:56:14peturdoesn't it have a ZIF HDD connector too?
16:56:16GodEater_Bagder: isn't that "port them *back*"
16:56:21markunpetur: it does
16:56:51markunI think even the Gigabeat X has a ZIF HDD connector
16:56:56peturhmmm 120GB... :D
16:57:13markunbut no recording, right?
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16:57:50peturhaven't checked
16:57:53GodEater_you can fit a 120GB drive in it ?!?
16:57:57linuxstbPaulJam: Can you make one of your replaygained wma files available? I'll see if it's easy to support.
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17:01:20markunGodEater_: non of the 120GB drives (samsung and seagate) are for sale
17:01:30markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement
17:01:54markunI didn't even find the model numer of the samsung drive
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17:03:13saratogalinuxstb: regarding syncing WMA to ffmpeg, I'm mostly doing it because the version of ffmpeg the codec is based on did not properly decode some of my low bitrate files, while the current svn version does
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17:04:25amiconnThe fact that the gigabeat S has an fpu doesn't mean it would be better to run floating point codecs
17:04:29GodEater_markun: v. v. tempting
17:04:51GodEater_amiconn: I think we were joking ;)
17:05:00amiconnE.g. for amiga, there are 2 versions of libmad for 68060, an integer and an fpu version
17:05:13amiconnThe int version is almost twice as fast
17:06:08markunbut the i.mx31 can do floating point vector operations
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17:06:17markunso I assume that will be fast
17:06:21markunif we find any use for it
17:07:14saratogahopefully it can do vector int too
17:07:25saratogawhich is probably what we'd want to use
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17:09:19*JdGordon returns victorious from a night of poker :D
17:11:10JdGordonamiconn: you round?
17:13:18GodEater_are you saying he's fat ?
17:14:28pixelmafat32? :)
17:14:28JdGordonpixelma: forgot to mention in the commit that pressing ACTION_STD_OK in the disk debug screen changes the displayed disk (i.e to the external mmc)
17:14:47JdGordon... and anyone else who needs to know that
17:15:15pixelmahaven't tried that yet
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17:18:00donutman25hi guys
17:18:15donutman25i think there is an error in viewvc
17:19:02petursuch as?
17:19:35donutman25it says something about an exception has occured when i try to view diffs
17:19:51peturhmmm indeed
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17:20:29*petur passes it on to Bagder ....
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17:21:16fm2petur: here?
17:21:25peturyo
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17:21:57fm2petur: why have you rejected your thoughts about file exts?
17:22:51peturI haven't completely, must think about it again tonight.... doesn't go well at work ;)
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17:23:41fm2petur: I see :-) The only thing that goes well at work is zzzzz....
17:24:14markunand beer
17:24:15peturnot here... I'm reading boring design specifications :/
17:24:37peturbeer is friday only :)
17:24:44petur(at work that is)
17:24:56fm2petur: ok then. I'll look into the FS task later. Have a nice day.
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17:33:16JdGordonpetur: iim not having any luck reporducing 7332
17:33:36JdGordonon h300 and sansa
17:33:52peturI see it from time to time on my h300
17:34:03peturyesterday even...
17:34:20peturlooks like a glitch to me
17:34:29JdGordondoes it only happen if its buffering at the time?
17:34:58peturI shall have to look at that when it happens again
17:36:22*amiconn experienced hard freezes on H180 twice within one week :(
17:36:36amiconnThat was while browsing, no playback, voice enabled
17:36:41JdGordonhe is here....
17:37:14JdGordonamiconn: whats happening with viewports? can you get your thoughts down somewhere so someone can do them if you dont have the time?
17:40:09pixelmaJdGordon: he tried to explain some 'live' at devcon. I think no-one could follow... seems quit far in thinking process and he said writing the ideas down would most probably take longer than code it
17:40:11peturJdGordon has spare time?
17:40:31*JdGordon has plenty....
17:40:49JdGordonpixelma: ok, so we wait
17:40:54peturheh, I started to understand the third time he explained and have forgotten already ;)
17:45:26JdGordonany objections to adding the option screen for the fm region between asking to auto-scan and actually scanning when you enter the screen?
17:45:53*amiconn thinks the auto-scan question could be removed
17:46:44JdGordonna, its good, just annoying atm
17:48:04bluebrotherwhy not move auto-scan to an option in the context menu?
17:48:14bluebrotherhmm, isn't it present in the context menu already?
17:49:07*bluebrother checks
17:50:32JdGordonit is
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17:53:12bluebrotheryeah. But in that case the question about auto-scan could be removed IMO
17:54:14JdGordonwhere would i find the sleep timer setting in the manul?
17:55:02JdGordonfound it
17:56:19bluebrotherah, me was too slow :)
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17:59:54JetonJdGordon: Can you explain to me what doeas the 5min increment mean here- >http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7217
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18:00:09Jetonthe 5 in the Sleep Timer means 5 hours or?
18:00:16JdGordonsetting it to 00:05 means shutdown in 5 min...
18:00:23JdGordon05:00 is shutdown in 5 hours
18:00:52JdGordonshould I close 5278? or work on a patch for it?
18:01:57bluebrotherwell, as far as I remember auto-switching screens aren't wanted, so ...
18:02:06JetonJdGordon: Geez :( sorry for the confusion. I messed up the min with the sec.(there was no "min" indication )
18:02:18JetonThank you.
18:02:21JdGordonnp
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18:11:59aliaskAnybody know their ATA defines?
18:12:43*JdGordon left them in his other pants
18:12:46aliaskIs ATA_NSECTOR the sector number or the sector count? (and is ATA_SECTOR) the other?
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18:14:49aliaskLooks like NSECTOR is the count.
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18:25:23pixelmahmm... judged from the forums it seems like a good "new ports" week
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18:41:45DerPapstwow.. not bad... 2 ongoing ports...
18:43:00aliaskWhich is the other?
18:43:08DerPapstm:robe
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18:43:48aliaskOh wow. Had to hit refresh to see the thread
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18:45:48DerPapstbut i would go with the jiggabeat S if i had to buy a new targed :P
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18:46:14DerPapstbut the windows button is somekind of ugly :D
18:46:30aliaskHeh, I'm sure you could change it if you were dedicated
18:46:54DerPapsti'm pretty sure i would try it ;)
18:48:29*DerPapst dreams of running every codec in rockbox with full speed...
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19:15:58*amiconn isn't tempted at all to get a Gigabeat F or even S
19:16:44*moos isn't surprised :)
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19:16:52moosI'm wondering why?... ;)
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19:18:34reyJust to let someone know - I think all the "undefeined instruction" errors that have been popping up in bug reports are caused by the iCatcher theme being incompatible with current builds
19:18:57reyI went back to using the default theme and haven't had any problems
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19:21:53pixelmathat seems rather unlikely...
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19:31:57pixelmathe only thing I could imagine that it hits some limit now (it's quite long code-wise, probably uses a lot of the wps buffer and has some animation...) - could that cause issues? /me just thinking aloud
19:36:22*ender` yawns
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20:08:42austriancoderpetur: hmmm
20:08:53austriancoderpetur: I think i found something
20:09:00DerPapsts/petur/beer
20:09:10DerPapst:P
20:09:14petur*trigger*
20:09:35austriancoder logf("1 prime=0x%x", UDC_ENDPTPRIME); UDC_ENDPTPRIME |= bitmask; logf("2 prime=0x%x", UDC_ENDPTPRIME);
20:09:58austriancoderbitmask is 0x10000
20:10:30austriancoderbut both logf calls resulting in "x prime=0x0"
20:11:18peturstrange
20:12:29bluebrotherhmm. Is UDC_ENDPTPRIME a define?
20:13:01austriancoder#define UDC_ENDPTPRIME (*(volatile unsigned int *)(USB_BASE+0x1b0)) /* Endpoint Initialization Register */
20:15:19peturbah.. brb (30 min)
20:16:31DerPapstbrb.. even longer
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20:22:27austriancoderpetur: using bitmask 0x2000 the setting works.. hmmm
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20:22:58austriancoderresults in a transaction and buffer error in the queue head
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20:31:12trancestormquick ?. Why is that EvilG's Fire build syncs when the usb is connected, and the opposite for the Fusion build? How can I make the fusion build do this?
20:32:52Domonoky_trancestorm: they are called "unsupported" builds, so not much help here..
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20:33:19Domonoky_but its probably a patch.. so to change you have to compile rockbox yourself
20:33:43trancestormdang, thanks anyway. So is there a build that is supported other than the default one?
20:34:18Domonoky_only the official builds are supported..
20:34:32trancestormgotcha
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20:39:44peturaustriancoder: could it be that the hardware responds immediatly (and thus clears the bit) before the value is read back?
20:40:33amiconnOr it's a write-only bit
20:40:42peturit's r/w
20:40:45austriancoderpetur: maybe.. but I dont get any errror and ENDPTCOMPLETE, wich indicates that an transfer is done is not set
20:41:01peturoh... hmmm
20:41:06austriancoderamiconn: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/MCIMX31RM.pdf chapter 32
20:41:48austriancoderI check for errors every time an the irq handler is called at the end of the handler...
20:41:49austriancoder /* watch qhs for important status bits */ for (i = 0; i < USB_MAX_PIPES; i++) { if (qh[i].size_ioc_int_sts & DTD_STATUS_DATA_BUFF_ERR) { logf("!!!buffer error %d", i); } if (qh[i].size_ioc_int_sts & DTD_STATUS_TRANSACTION_ERR) { logf("!!!transaction error %d", i); } }
20:45:09peturis that endpointnumber correct? 0x10000 = endpoint 4?
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20:46:41austriancoderbits 0 - 15 are for rx and 16-31for tx
20:47:05peturbah... /me idiot
20:47:58austriancoderso endpoint 0 tx ;)
20:48:15peturyes yes I got it ;)
20:50:17amiconn"Hardware will clear this bit when...."
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21:06:34Genre9mp3scary mentor perhaps? :P
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21:07:44peturI wonder if I'm in a good mood to fill in his evaluation now... :p
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21:17:40imbecilewhere the heck do i find the rockbox bootloader for an ipod 5g?
21:18:10imbecileive been digging around the page for a half an hour
21:18:39Domonoky_imbecile: you use ipodpatcher, or rbutil for installing the bootloader..
21:18:57Battousainow now, no need to call him names
21:19:03imbecileheh
21:19:04peturlol
21:19:16Domonoky_ipodpatcher has the bootloader built in.. and rbutil downloads it..
21:19:43imbecileDomonoky_, thanks :) i was reading manual and i didnt see that
21:19:50Domonoky_:-)
21:21:55imbecilethat is awesome its even ported for ubuntu feisty... yayyy!!!
21:23:06Domonoky_rbutil is still not ready, thats why it isnt in the manual.. but it will get there sometime.. :-)
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21:25:06imbecileDomonoky_e , so do you recommend using the ipodpatcher? yeah i noticed it said i needed dependencies i already have
21:25:17imbecilerbutil that is
21:25:49Domonoky_no, i recommend rbutil ( i wrote a good part of it ) *hehe*
21:26:22Domonoky_but it needs more polishing to get the official install method..
21:28:19imbecileDomonoky_, wonder why it says i have unsatisfed dependencies libwxbase2.8-0bwhen i have it for feisty install
21:29:18Domonoky_imbecile: sorry i didnt made the linux package, so i dont know..
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21:30:29imbecileperhaps ill try the win rbutil on another box
21:31:51imbecilehehe i get all confused using 3 keyboard and 3 mice.. ubuntu,freeBSD and now windows heh
21:32:26Domonoky_:-)
21:34:45GodEaterDomonoky_: what still needs polishing in your opinion ?
21:35:56Domonoky_i think the install menüs needs more info, like when to have the DAP mounted, and such things..
21:36:12GodEaterso not more functionality as such
21:36:23GodEaterjust a bit of slickness to the UI presentation ?
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21:36:41Domonoky_yes especially more info :-)
21:36:58GodEateris anyone working on that with you ?
21:37:03Ratty____Can rockbox read /chm files out of the box ?
21:37:07Ratty____.chm*
21:37:14Domonoky_not that i know, and my time is ver limited..
21:37:19Domonoky_+y
21:37:51imbecilewin rbutil is working flawlessly over here
21:37:56Ratty____Okay, just making sure... I didn't know if I should convert it to pdf or not
21:38:09GodEaterRatty____: it won't read .pdf either
21:38:29Domonoky_Ratty____: rockbox, cant read chm and no pdf, only text files :-)
21:39:49Ratty____GodEater_ I believe it can read ebooks -> pdf files, because there was a patch out that I compiled my rockbox build with
21:40:14GodEaterRatty____: ah - you did say "out of the box" however ;)
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21:40:41GodEaterstripwax: oi! What happened to you last night ?
21:41:15GodEaterRatty____: do you have FS number for this patch ? I've just searched and get no hits for pdf
21:41:33Ratty____Godeater, give me a second
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21:42:41stripwaxGodEater - was sick , had to go home :-(
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21:42:54stripwaxSorry - but definitely next time! Assuming I'm well
21:43:12GodEaterstripwax: that's a shame - I was just getting over a cold myself actually
21:43:23GodEaterthink the beer poisoned all the germs - felt much better when I got home :)
21:43:27stripwaxheh :)
21:43:31stripwaxand a curry too i hear
21:43:36GodEateryep that as well
21:43:58GodEaterdan_a is suggesting the 25th for the next one
21:44:03imbecileDomonoky_e , the win version of rbutil works very slick imo
21:44:03GodEateris that doable for you ?
21:44:13stripwaxday of the week?
21:44:17GodEaterummmm
21:44:18dan_aWednesday
21:44:26stripwaxSounds perfect
21:44:36GodEateryep
21:44:46imbecilebah im sick too you guys.. head cold with body ache?
21:44:51stripwaxyep
21:45:02GodEaterimbecile: yep - went in a couple of days tho
21:45:05GodEatershort and sharp
21:45:09stripwaxand the whole headache / can't concentrate / crap too
21:45:44imbecilewell i can tell you it has reached califorinias coast if you guys live far away
21:46:01GodEaterimbecile: pretty far from there yes
21:46:14GodEaterone continent and an ocean to be precise
21:46:32imbecilewow thats amazing
21:47:08GodEaternot really - jet travel spreads disease pretty effectively
21:47:09imbecilei didnt think they traveled that fast and so prevelent
21:47:23dan_aI hope nobody brings it over here
21:47:37GodEaterdan_a: don't they quarantine people ? :)
21:47:48dan_aI wish!
21:47:52GodEaterunless they're riding a motorbike of course
21:47:58imbecileGodEater, yeah thats the only way it would travel so quick
21:48:18GodEaterNo doubt Febs is taken my version of it with him back to Philadelphia :(
21:48:21stripwaxdan_a - you're not in uk?
21:48:33GodEaterstripwax: think motorbikes
21:48:40dan_astripwax: Technically, no
21:48:43GodEaterhehehe
21:48:48dan_aBut I'm in the British Isles
21:49:02GodEatertoo big a clue
21:49:08dan_aAnd I was kayaking beside a 15 foot shark half an hour ago :D
21:49:15GodEaterBasking ?
21:49:30*stripwax is pretty clueless but assumes either Ireland or one of those crazy islands off the coast
21:49:39GodEaterstripwax: Isle of man
21:49:50stripwaxoh. motorbikes. right.
21:49:50dan_aGodEater: Yes. There was another one about half a mile away which was more like 20 foot too
21:49:56*stripwax is, indeed, thick after all
21:50:02GodEaterI'd love to see one up close
21:50:17stripwaxSo, Manx Spirit turns out to be one of my favourite drinks
21:50:23imbecilerbutils error for themes for ipod 5g failed
21:50:33dan_astripwax: I've not tried it yet
21:50:44GodEaterimbecile: not all the themes are well enough put together for rbutil to handle properly sadly
21:50:47dan_aBut I'll bring a bottle over to London
21:50:48stripwaxdan_a - it's pretty .. raw ..
21:50:49GodEaterimbecile: we're trying to fix them
21:50:54stripwaxheh, cool
21:50:58GodEaterimbecile: but it's a slow process
21:51:11imbecileGodEater, i hear ya
21:51:19GodEaterwth is Manx Spirit then ?
21:51:24GodEatersome sort of whisky ?
21:51:44*GodEater wonders if Badger will manage T-Shirts this time
21:52:08BagderI'll try
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21:52:11GodEaterhehee
21:52:14dan_aGodEater: I think it is, but it's clear
21:52:29stripwaxYep, tastes a bit like grappa I thought
21:52:35GodEaterdan_a: more moonshine then
21:52:40stripwaxyeah
21:52:48GodEatergrappa? euch - you're on your own there
21:52:51stripwaxwww.mans-spirit.com
21:52:53dan_aGodEater: http://www.manx-spirit.com/manx.htm
21:52:53stripwaxmanx
21:53:02*bluebrother heared about t-shirts ...
21:53:28*dan_a wonders if its too let for him to get a t-shirt
21:53:33GodEaterbluebrother: you coming to London too ?
21:53:35dan_as/let/late
21:53:41bluebrotherhmm. What date?
21:53:45GodEaterdan_a: not really - Bagder never sent them in the first place :)
21:53:45Bagderdan_a: what size do you prefer?
21:53:55GodEaterbluebrother: 25th July
21:53:55dan_aBagder: Medium
21:53:58bluebrotherbut I fear money will prohibit me going :(
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21:54:26GodEaterFebs spent all his holiday money on new clothes - poor man
21:54:32stripwaxBagder - any remaining tshirts?
21:54:40stripwaxGodEater - that sucks
21:54:43Bagderstripwax: size?
21:54:51BagderI'll include one for you
21:54:55stripwaxMedium if you have one, thanks!
21:55:10GodEaterBagder's "Rockbox people t-shirt size spreadsheet" must be enormous by now
21:55:22stripwax:-)
21:55:36*bluebrother wants a shirt ...
21:55:40BagderI wish I was that organized... I have that info spread out in 14 different text files on 7 different hosts ;-)
21:55:46GodEaterhahahaha
21:56:08*stripwax should actually go and do some more rockbox coding..
21:56:29Bagderstripwax: one when you said that, you can only get a shirt if you go and do more rockbox coding ;-P
21:57:02Bagder(and pretend that first "one" was written as "now")
21:57:27bluebrotherdamn. Flights are too expensive.
21:57:43bluebrotherwell, let's see when I manage to visit London for a couple of days ...
21:57:48stripwaxbah! ok, what needs doing to finish this patch off http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/7218
21:57:56*bluebrother should get paid work
21:58:11BagderGodEater, stripwax, linuxstb_: I take it you won't mind if I add some cool blue coffee cups to the package?
21:58:30*stripwax won't mind a jot
21:58:35Bagderhehe
21:59:02bluebrotherhow much events will we have coming up? Any chance to have leftovers this year?
21:59:28Bagderthere are leftovers, sure and I'll deal with them sometime in August I think
21:59:43BagderI'll be on vacation pretty much the whole july
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22:00:01*bluebrother marks august in his calendar
22:01:42GodEaterbluebrother: if you add an actual date to the "London Social Meet" forum thread when you know it - we'll organise something for when you're over
22:02:08Bagderbtw, this far in July 2007 the top-5 most downloaded zips from build.rockbox.org, are:
22:02:43Bagderipod video 5851, ipod video 64MB 2850, sansa e200 2795, ipod nano 2562, h300 1099
22:03:03GodEaterBagder: is that just the one host ?
22:03:12Bagderthe build host is just one
22:03:20Bagderthat's not the download one
22:03:26GodEaterah of course
22:03:40peturhmmmm... file.c line 534 could explain why recording on a full disk causes a corrupt file... the error is just ignored :/
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22:04:11bluebrotherGodEater: no idea when I'll make it to London (I planned doing so for several years now :( but I'll notify you guys when I make it ;-)
22:04:20*GodEater remembers perhaps the most amusing part of DevConPub was watching Febs try to dismantle an iPod with a Guitar pick
22:04:32GodEaterbluebrother: cool - just let us know :)
22:04:34bluebrotherhehe.
22:04:39stripwaxin a crowded pub? sounds like a sport!
22:04:47GodEaterhehe - he failed dismally
22:04:56GodEaterwe did have a table to work on - it didn't help much
22:05:02GodEatera valiant effort though
22:05:24GodEaterour "tower of rockbox" didn't happen either sadly
22:05:28GodEaterwe'll have to do that next time
22:05:29BagderGodEater: I believe not that many people download builds from the download mirrors. yday on the videolan mirror the top downloaded image was ipodcolor 20070101, downloaded 205 times
22:05:45GodEaterBagder: that's not much at all
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22:05:57bluebrotherdid noone videotape it? ;-)
22:06:01Bagderthat's almost nothing compared to the build.* numbers
22:06:05GodEateris it only archived builds on the download servers
22:06:14Bagderyes
22:06:15fm2petur: morning!
22:06:16GodEaterbluebrother: sadly no - we all had our hands full with beer glasses
22:06:17GodEater:)
22:06:22bluebrotherhmm, wouldn't it be interesting to see the download numbers for unsupported builds?
22:06:29Bagderyes it would
22:06:30stripwaxAnyone had a chance to look at the codec failures when running test_codec on mixed codecs?
22:06:33bluebrotherGodEater: well, that's a good alternative *g*
22:06:38peturhi fm2
22:06:40stripwaxI think I've found a similar bug, unrelated to test_codec
22:06:46GodEaterbluebrother: we certainly thought so
22:06:48fm2petur: wanna resume the discussion about the file exts?
22:07:07petursure, let me wrap my head around it again ;)
22:07:24*stripwax tries to reproduce it
22:07:34fm2petur: ok, how long would you need?
22:07:58peturnot much, don't run away ;)
22:08:28*GodEater decides to try to knock the dregs of his cold on the head by having an early night.
22:08:53fm2petur: we could have four options: show always, never, hide for supported, and the current behaviour (can't come up with a good name)
22:08:57imbecilehey, if i enable disk mode can i just drag all my music over?
22:09:18stripwaxyep
22:09:41fm2petur: the last option would hide all if the file filter is not set to "All" and show all otherwise
22:10:00peturyes I know ;)
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22:10:34imbecilestripwax, where would i drag it to? i am running a fresh install
22:10:46stripwaximbecile - go crazy, put it wherever you like!
22:10:48imbecileand im nub ;P
22:10:55stripwaxI just create a folder called Music and put it in there
22:11:04peturfm2: I'm not sure if we need the 'hide supported' - it is the same as for 'show supported files'
22:11:06imbecileahhh thats easy enough
22:11:16stripwaximbecile - what device do you have? (guessing ipod)
22:11:29peturfm2: so my actual proposal really still stands :)
22:11:36imbecilestripwax, hehe good guess yeah its a 5g
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22:12:18fm2petur: not exactly. If the filter is set to "All"...
22:13:09stripwaximbecile - if you want to use iTunes or the original Apple firmware on your ipod, you probably want to be a bit different. I never use iTunes or Apple firmware, (I'm just Rockbox), so what works for me might not work best for you ..!
22:13:20fm2petur: ah, you mean that "hide known" should do exactly what it does now?
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22:13:31peturyes
22:13:32stripwaxmeaning : if you put it in a Music folder, iTunes won't see it
22:14:29fm2petur: ok. But the name is somewhat misleading
22:14:45peturfm2: I know
22:14:58imbecilestripwax, im a linux user so no itunes for me
22:15:43stripwaxeven easier :)
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22:15:58fm2petur: ok. Everything is clear now.
22:17:47imbecilestripwax, so i drag it over to .rockbox directory? or the highest directory in the tree?
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22:18:11peturfm2: great.. shouldn't be too hard to implement ;)
22:18:26bluebrotherimbecile: you can put the music files anywhere on the player
22:18:40imbecilecool deal thanks
22:18:49bluebrotherfor myself, I have a folder "Music", so it gets /media/ipod/Music on linux
22:19:03fm2petur: hmm... I now think that we still could need "Hide for known". Imagine that you've set the filter to "All" and go browsing your music folder. There, (almost) all files are of supported types, so you wouldn't want to see the exts. But if you go to an "exotic" folder with some .doc etc files you (or I) would like to see the exts.
22:19:05bluebrotherand then I put my (folder-sorted) music there.
22:19:37stripwaximbecile - yep, anywhere. in fact probably best to leave the contents of .rockbox alone, just create a new top-level directory
22:20:07stripwaxfm2 - desktop.ini ? ;-)
22:20:22peturfm2: yes, but code-wise it is probably more than the current proposal, and I don't know if it is worth a lot of bytes
22:20:41fm2stripwax: :-) yes, that too
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22:20:47peturthe 3 option thing should be fairly easy to do - little code to add
22:20:48imbecileyayyy... now to transfer 54GB of music ;P
22:21:03stripwaxwowzer. 60GB or 80GB ipod/
22:21:18*petur summons somebody to talk about firmware/common/file.c
22:21:22imbecile60gb i have it pretty much full
22:21:23bluebrotherwell, there is also the problem with i18n if we allow subfolders to sort the plugins directory
22:21:28fm2petur: yes, that would require file per file analysis
22:21:40bluebrotherdesktop.ini could be used to translate ...
22:21:55stripwaximbecile - brand-new ipod or just upgrading Apple to rockbox?
22:22:03peturfm2: which is why I wouldn't do it
22:22:07imbecilejust upgrading
22:22:21imbecileimma triple boot it with isl as well
22:22:26stripwaximbecile - did you reformat? if not you itunes-uploaded music should already be on there still
22:22:47imbecilepfffttt... i dont use itunes hehehe
22:23:00fm2petur: ok, I'll stick with three options and if someone complains... we'll ask him/her to provide a patch −− as always! :-)
22:23:02imbecileyeah i reformatted
22:23:06stripwaxah ok
22:23:48peturfm2: I really wouldn't risk creating bloat of a fairly obscure feature
22:23:48stripwaximbecile - boot into Apple OS before you do the transfer - Apple OS supports USB2 transfers, diskmode probably only USB1 speeds ...
22:24:10amiconnstripwax: test_codec is shaky in general. With voice enabled, it crashes 100% reproducably on exit. On H1x0 I get an IllInstr exception
22:24:49amiconnstripwax: Diskmode is definitely faster than USB1.1 (factor of 2..2.5)
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22:25:12DanHibikiHello everyone, is anyone having the same problem on nano as I reported here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11504.0 ?
22:25:18stripwaxamiconn - I'm just getting a fresh build from build.rockbox.org but what I saw today was a codec error just playing files from browser , want to see if i can reproduce. sounds unrelated then though if test_codec is just shaky..
22:25:37stripwaxamiconn - hm, curious. wonder why it's slower than apple os
22:25:46amiconnBut it seems the observed sluggishness when installing a build is not only due to limited transfer speed
22:26:12stripwax?
22:26:27*amiconn will do an expeeriment - just a moment
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22:32:24stripwaxOk. With Auto Change Directory turned on, play the last track in a folder , and then go back from the WPS to the file browser. when that last track finishing playing, rockbox spews codec failures - "Couldn't Load Codec /.rockbox/codecs/@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ (@ is a square)
22:32:29stripwaxif that makes sense
22:32:32stripwaxknown bug?
22:33:04low_lightanyone understand the h10/e200 bootloader...I'm trying to get it to load rockbox on my my m:robe :)
22:33:18stripwaxThat's a fresh build, ipod 5g 64mb. Works fine if I leave it on hte wps
22:33:32low_lightI can use it to boot the OF, but it does nothing when trying to boot rockbox
22:34:56Bagderlow_light: are you using mi4 files?
22:35:14low_lightyes
22:36:01amiconnstripwax: My impression was indeed correct: While ipod video diskmode achieves a transfer speed of 2..2.5MByte/s with large files, it's _signifcantly_ slower at transferring many small files than a pure USB1.1 device with a hardware bridge (archos player in my case)
22:36:02low_lightthe bootloader reports that the crc's match, but it just hangs after exiting the bootloader
22:37:07low_lightI tried putting a blinking light sequence in entry point in main.c, but the led's never blink
22:38:19Bagder!
22:38:28stripwaxamiconn - not sure what that indicates, diskmode just has a higher overhead than regular apple os? (because apple os sure seems faster than diskmode). cpu speed?
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22:39:11Bagderlow_light: so what is the last printf() it shows?
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22:39:27amiconnUnzipping an ipod video build to the ipod video (with the old build removed first) took 106 seconds, while unzipping the very same build to a subdir on the archos player only took 26 seconds (!!)
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22:41:06Rincewindstripwax: about the codec failure, this is known, I reported it a few months ago
22:41:19Rincewindnothing happened so far.
22:41:21stripwaxah, ok
22:41:38low_lightBagder: says "Calculated CRC32: xxxxx" (which matches mi4header.crc32)
22:41:59Rincewindstripwax: I get this on my iriver
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22:42:37stripwaxRincewind - do you know if its reproducible on sim?
22:42:39*stripwax tries
22:43:22dan_alow_light: What if you blink the light from crt0-pp.S?
22:44:00Rincewindthis is my bug report: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5797
22:44:12stripwaxta
22:44:54stripwaxwow, that's a year ago ..
22:45:27amiconnmmmmm, and doing the same with apple os takes 47 seconds... weird
22:45:32Rincewinddo you get it in the sim?
22:46:21low_lightdan_a: I will have to try that
22:46:31stripwaxRincewind - had to rebuild, will know in a sec
22:47:05*Rincewind copies a few folders of music in his simbuild
22:47:26amiconn...and to prove that it's not a problem of the 1.8"hdd, same thing to my H180 takes 8 seconds
22:48:00*bluebrother wonders if there is an irssi script around that automatically kills ghost nicks ...
22:48:07*amiconn hugs hardware usb support
22:48:08stripwaxamiconn - wowzer.
22:48:23*stripwax remembers why he still loves his h120
22:48:32*bluebrother too :)
22:50:21stripwaxRincewind, can't seem to repro on sim
22:52:09Rincewindwaiting for the song to finish...
22:52:52Rincewindmy sim doesn't change directories
22:53:06stripwaxSettings?
22:53:44Rincewindshould be standard, but I'm not sure
22:53:58Rincewindok, it is changing
22:54:05Rincewindwithout problems
22:54:16stripwaxyeh, sim seems ok
22:54:47RincewindI would have liked to look at this in gdb :(
22:54:52*amiconn wonders whether the mini suffers from the same problem
22:55:00*amiconn will test soon
22:55:29linuxstbamiconn: Are you unzipping from Windows or Linux?
22:55:37amiconnwindows
22:55:54*amiconn doesn't trust linux usb support anymore
22:56:15linuxstb8 seconds sounds about right to unzip a build to my ipods (from Linux).
22:57:07linuxstb(mount ; unzip ; umount)
22:57:24RincewindI think that unzipping is faster for me
22:57:56bluebrotherwell, wouldn't that also be dependent on the fragmentation of the hard disk? ;-)
22:58:09Rincewindbut this could be the cache, because umounting is taking a little time afterwards
22:58:31linuxstbI always use a "mount ; unzip; umount" script to do the unzipping (I disable automount)
22:58:32bluebrotherthen it is cache.
22:58:42amiconnUnzipping to the mini G2 takes 16 seconds, which is reasonable given that it's only a microdrive
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22:59:33bluebrotherbtw: has someone else notices a great speed dropdown on mini2g if there is an usb disc connected?
22:59:37amiconnI always have write caching disabled for usb storage (which is the standard setting on windows anyway)
22:59:55linuxstbJust tested for my ipod Color - 2.7s to mount, unzip and umount rockbox-full.zip
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23:00:18amiconnlinuxstb: Now try the same with the video - I expect it to be a whole lot slower
23:00:43amiconnBtw, I am testing with the very same build zip, to an empty subdir on the various devices
23:01:43*amiconn doesn't understand bluebrother's question
23:01:44*linuxstb goes to look for his video
23:02:15imbecilewhere should i put my music folder on an ipod 5g video so it plays nice with appleOS while in disk mode?
23:02:18bluebrotherwell, I have a usb disk. If I have this connected the same time as the mini, transfers to the mini get crawling slow.
23:02:32stripwaximbecile anywhere, won't matter
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23:03:02imbecilestripwax, appleOS still detects the music?
23:03:08stripwaximbecile - it won't..
23:03:30***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:03:54imbecileouch, so its either rockbox or appleOS?
23:04:10imbecilei kinda wanted bot working
23:04:12amiconnbluebrother: Hmm, odd. Never saw that effect here (with up to 3 rockboxes hooked up to usb at the same time)
23:04:19stripwaximbecile - not quite - appleOS only 'sees' music uploaded via itunes (or whatever the linux equivalent is)
23:04:24stripwaxrockbox can see that too
23:04:38stripwaxSimple drag+drop will *not* be 'seen' by appleOS
23:04:46stripwaxno matter where you put it .. (blame Apple)
23:04:52PaulJamimbecile: if you want to use both, then transfer music with itunes and use the database in rockbox
23:05:16imbecileahhhhh.. cool deal
23:05:44linuxstbamiconn: About 4.8s (+/- 0.1s) on my video (30GB 5G)
23:05:52imbecilehow do i boot into appleOS in 5g?
23:05:59stripwaximbecile - i gotta ask - if you already had a full ipod, with music transfererd on by itunes, why did you reformat it?
23:06:11stripwaximbecile - leave hold switch in hold position when turning it on
23:06:24imbecilestripwax, I was trying to install ipl
23:06:46stripwaxdoes ipl require a reformat? yuk
23:06:55*amiconn has a suspicion what causes the significant slowness here
23:07:00imbecileyou have to reformat to install ipl on video and mini
23:07:17amiconnThis is a G5.5, and the 2048byte logical sectors might be the cause
23:07:43linuxstbI would be curious to see if the speed is different under Linux.
23:08:04amiconnSure, because of dangerous write caching
23:08:13stripwaxamiconn - hm, my 5g (60gb) is slow too though
23:08:16linuxstbDangerous?
23:08:21amiconn*I* wouldn't trust it though without verify
23:08:40*linuxstb has never experienced corrupted disks with Linux USB
23:09:01amiconnYes, as I prefer to be able to just pull the plug, and will certainly forget to unmount very often
23:09:03Bagderme neither
23:09:23BagderI've done all my rockbox dev on linux usb since day 0
23:09:26linuxstbI think of mounting disks the same as being root - I only mount them when I need to, then umount immediately afterwards.
23:09:50linuxstbThe rest of the time they are charging (if they can)
23:10:02crwli have developed the habit of typing "sync" once or twice to the terminal before unplugging
23:11:34imbecilestripwax, what is hold switch?
23:11:52amiconnAnyway, I try to stay away from the linux+usb combination. I don't know what's up with the usb ports on this box, but it corrupted files without notice when copying ~10GB of flac. Not one file - many of them
23:12:17stripwaximbecile - the one on the top of your ipod!!
23:12:20linuxstbimbecile: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60951
23:12:32stripwaxnice link
23:13:03linuxstbhttp://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+hold+switch
23:13:28 Part low_light
23:13:31pixelmahttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-220003.1.1 though it doesn't say "switch"
23:13:43*linuxstb decides to refer all questions to google
23:16:08bluebrotherdo we have pcb scans of the mini around somewhere?
23:16:44*amiconn should have some photos
23:17:08DanHibikiSo it seems I am the only one with this weird Rockbox behaviour on Nano...
23:17:38stripwaxmm, which behavior?
23:18:00DanHibikithe one I described on this topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11504.0
23:18:06pixelmabluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IPodMini2GInfo ;)
23:18:23DanHibikibasically I'm getting corruption on the file system now
23:18:47bluebrotherpixelma: d'oh! Looks I was blind in some way :o
23:20:32linuxstbDanHibiki: Have you tested for a long period of time with AppleOS? As no-one else seems to be reporting it, I can only guess it's an intermittent hardware problem with your Nano.
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23:21:37DanHibikiI don't use AppleOS as much as I use Rockbox, but it doesn't have any problems when I use it
23:21:45linuxstbFebs: Hi. Back home now?
23:21:54imbecileim still not sure i know how to boot into appleos with a 5g ipod
23:22:11Febslinuxstb: just walked in the door.
23:22:14linuxstbimbecile: Turn the hold switch on _immediately_ after you turn your ipod on.
23:22:55DanHibikimy impression is that those cpu related changes on Rockbox generated this behaviour, since an older build runs just fine
23:23:01imbecilelinuxstb, yayy thanks
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23:24:11linuxstbDanHibiki: So 2007-07-03 works fine, but 2007-07-04 causes corruption?
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23:25:03DanHibikilinuxstb: yes, but in most cases, it doesn't even boot properly (doesn't recognize any files on my ipod)
23:26:02amiconnBuilds between 2007-07-04 and 2007-07-07 might cause unexpected behaviour on ipod video and nano
23:26:09amiconnUse 2007-07-08 or later
23:26:51DanHibikiright now I'm using one from revision 13855, which is from... yesterday maybe?
23:26:54amiconnClock handling still isn't 100% correct (but better than before July 3)
23:27:58linuxstbDanHibiki: If the 3rd July works, but 4th July doesn't, then AFAICS, it's not CPU clock related - the 2007-07-03 build was made around 6am on the 3rd, and the 2007-07-04 was made around 6am on the 4th. You can see what changes were made here - http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html
23:29:32DanHibikiwhops! sorry, it is from 2007-07-02
23:29:47DanHibikimy bad =(
23:29:56linuxstbSo 2007-07-03 causes problems?
23:30:01DanHibikiyes
23:30:08DanHibikiI can check, if you want
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23:30:32linuxstbIt would be useful to confirm exactly when the problem started (and that the very latest Current Build still causes the problem)
23:31:06DanHibikiokay, I was thinking of restoring my ipod, but I'm not sure how helpful it could be
23:31:28linuxstbYes, you really need to do 1) Restore ipod; 2) Test a build; 3) Repeat from 1)
23:31:43DanHibikiokay, I'm gonna do it
23:32:04DanHibikiinstalling the bootloader from rbutil is fine, right?
23:32:08DanHibikior should i use ipodpatcher?
23:32:22linuxstbThey should be identical (rbutil uses the same code as ipodpatcher)
23:32:49DanHibikiokay, i'm gonna run some tests
23:34:18*linuxstb wonders if saratoga has spotted the yellow
23:34:33peturhe should have, by now ;)
23:38:18FebsPresenting ... the Rockbox London Social Event: http://tinyurl.com/2znrjy
23:39:00Bagderwhat, no tower of rockbox? ;-P
23:39:24FebsIt's a shame we remembered that after Mrs. Febs had already taken the camera back to the hotel.
23:40:09FebsOf course, by that point, I think that our motor skills had probably declined enough that building a tower would have been a risky proposition.
23:40:16XavierGrhow many people showed up in the end?
23:40:20Febs4.
23:40:39XavierGris there a wiki page with the stuff that happened there? :P
23:40:43FebsIn the photo, from L to R, linuxstb, GodEater, me.
23:40:58linuxstbXavierGr: Drunk beer, ate curry, went home.
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23:41:03FebsSomeone else showed up later. I can't remember his name.
23:41:36*petur wonders if Febs could put some names on the picture
23:42:15XavierGrit must be quite nice to be in a place with rockbox junkies together :D
23:42:23FebsIt was a good time.
23:42:23dan_aGodEater looks like a more normal version of a guy I know
23:42:35linuxstbDon't let looks fool you...
23:43:33dan_a"More normal" is relative
23:43:56linuxstbI'm not sure I can make the 25th July - but can probably make both days either side.
23:45:11dan_aI'm on a course and in my experience the Thursday is generally beerday - but the Tuesday should be fine
23:45:14linuxstbFebs: Has your bag arrived with you?
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23:45:38webguest06Hello is anyone there?
23:45:42peturnope
23:45:56webguest06I could do with some help, im a complete noob
23:46:12webguest06i would like to put rockbox on my 30g Videos Ipod
23:46:20dan_aWhat do you need help with?
23:46:22linuxstbWhat's the problem (but be prepared to be referred to the manual)
23:46:28Febslinuxstb: yes, my bag arrived at some point after we went to the pub last night. Just in time for me to have to carry it home.
23:46:29webguest06Could anyone help me please? i have tried the manual but its very complicated for a noob liek myself
23:46:38Febswebguest06: just ask your question.
23:46:53*linuxstb recalls the conversation in the pub last night ;)
23:47:04*Febs was thinking the same thing.
23:47:10webguest06If i go wrong atall, will i be able to return to my original ipod settings?
23:47:16FebsYes.
23:47:17*bluebrother notices XavierGr
23:47:17webguest06i cant completely break my ipod trying?
23:47:20dan_aNo
23:47:23webguest06ok great
23:47:28DanHibikilinuxstb: tested 2007-07-03, got corrupted filenames after a few reboots and on some reboots Rockbox couldn't find any files, and complained about no .rockbox directory and installation incomplete
23:47:35bluebrotherXavierGr: seen my pm?
23:47:45linuxstbwebguest06: The worst that can happen is that you will need to restore your ipod with itunes.
23:47:48webguest06What is the first step i must take?
23:47:50DanHibikiyou can see a picture from the corrupted filenames here: http://i13.tinypic.com/54cks9f.png
23:48:15amiconnlinuxstb: Is there a clever macro check that tells us we're compiling rockbox?
23:48:24DanHibikigonna try the latest build now
23:48:38bluebrotherFebs: who's who on that picture?
23:48:52webguest06The first steph of the guide says about a tezt editor, do i need to download this?
23:48:54amiconn(thinking about committting my unaligned optimisation for libwma with a clear check for rockbox)
23:48:55webguest06step*
23:49:09linuxstbamiconn: I seem to recall a -DROCKBOX somewhere, but I may be imagining it...
23:49:30stripwaxbluebrother - Febs already said!
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23:49:52linuxstb(or maybe I added that myself to the APE codec Makefile - you could do the same for libwma's Makefile)
23:50:19stripwaxwebguest06 - what operating system do you use? Windows perhaps? If so, you can use Wordpad. It's a text editor.
23:50:29webguest06Note that the entire contents of the .zip file should be extracted directly to the root of your player’s drive - what does it mean by the root of your players drive?
23:50:31BagderI can't recall any rockbox define during the build
23:50:38webguest06I use wordpad yes
23:50:40Bagderwe could of course easily add one
23:50:45stripwaxwebguest - argh. Google for "root directory"
23:50:52dan_awebguest06: If your iPod is E:\ then extract to E:\
23:51:06dan_a(not E:\rockbox\ or anything)
23:51:10webguest06ok
23:51:17webguest06done that
23:51:18linuxstbBagder: Yes, it was me adding it to the APE Makefile...
23:51:30stripwaxwebguest06 - then follow the rest of the instructions..
23:51:30XavierGrbluebrother: just replied :D
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23:51:52bluebrotherstripwax: oh −− seems I'm really blind today :o
23:51:56stripwax..
23:52:10*stripwax wonders if we can make the instructions any more clear. pictures maybe?
23:52:29linuxstbBagder: But yes, it could be useful. We could change those __PCTOOL__ defines to use !ROCKBOX instead.
23:52:36peturinflatable dev to do it for you?
23:52:49Febsstripwax: pictures of what?
23:52:54webguest06Ok il just try this, im afraid i break my ipod but im assured it call all be fized?
23:52:55stripwaxanything
23:52:59webguest06fixed*
23:53:02stripwaxyeah it can all be fized ;-)
23:53:04DanHibikilinuxstb: latest build didn't detect .rockbox directory from the first boot
23:53:09webguest06:D thanks alot guys
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23:53:28Febswebguest06: You might find it easier to use the Rockbox Utility: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=RockboxUtility
23:53:29DanHibikigonna reboot a few times and see what happens
23:53:30Bagderlinuxstb: yes, and we'd have a defined way to do specific checks in codecs that might share code with other projects etc
23:54:03Febsbluebrother: in the picture, from L to R: (1) linuxstb, (2) GodEater, and (3) Febs.
23:54:08stripwaxFebs - actual screenshots of windows and linux perhaps? ok, maybe not linux but I don't want to discriminate.
23:54:36linuxstbDanHibiki: And you did a restore before testing the current build?
23:54:37stripwaxalthough rockbox utility is clearly the way forward.
23:54:42bluebrotherFebs: thanks. Just found it by scrolling back.
23:54:48linuxstbstripwax: And Mac OS X...
23:54:52bluebrothermaybe I should get some more sleep ;-)
23:54:52stripwaxof course
23:54:53DanHibikilinuxstb: yes, restored
23:55:17linuxstbstripwax: IMO the time would be better spent improving rbutil
23:55:22stripwaxtrue
23:55:34stripwaxwhat are the rbutil issues right now
23:56:01linuxstbI think the main issue is that it needs more explanatory text telling the user what to do.
23:56:07*amiconn borrowed the libdemac approach for now
23:56:36stripwaxisn't rbutil just a plug-in-your-mp3-player-and-hit-Go kind of affair?
23:57:21linuxstbAlmost. But bootloader installation can be tricky - you may need to mount or unmount your device, find an original firmware file to patch, etc
23:58:00stripwaxHappy to help test for ipod5g and h120..
23:58:03linuxstbIt also needs a little attention on Mac OS X - I've only done the bare mininum to make it work, but a few things (e.g. menus, icons) need adapting.
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23:58:48stripwaxHm, why is the .ini file a separate file for the Windows download
23:58:50stripwax?
23:58:51amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, there's one place in bitstream.h where I have to check for a rockbox specific macro - CPU_COLDFIRE

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