00:00:04 | Pulze | hi, i have a problem^^ |
00:00:23 | linuxstb | Llorean: "tools" could be kept for tools required to build rockbox. utils is everything else. |
00:00:31 | DerPapst | once usb is detectable it should be distunguished between both anyway to avoid confusion and questions ;) |
00:00:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: Essentially what I meant. |
00:00:46 | barrywardell | so a lot of other stuff would be moved out of tools into utils? |
00:00:50 | Pulze | papst, du kannst deutsch oder ? |
00:00:58 | amiconn | DerPapst: Only if we can handle it in rockbox imho. Otherwise it's not worth the hassle |
00:00:59 | DerPapst | gut geraten ;) |
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00:01:14 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I'm not sure if it's lots, but yes, some things would be. |
00:01:17 | Pulze | mein x5 wird ne mehr im arbeitsplatz angeziegt seit rb drauf is |
00:01:19 | DerPapst | amiconn: well then use the usb one for now. |
00:01:25 | Llorean | Pulze: This is an English language channel. |
00:01:30 | Pulze | i know |
00:01:33 | barrywardell | maybe I exaggerated a little... |
00:01:45 | DerPapst | i don't have a X5. |
00:01:52 | Pulze | mmmhhhhh |
00:01:55 | * | DerPapst is more with iPods |
00:02:01 | barrywardell | so, any objections to committing it to utils/disassembler ? |
00:02:11 | DerPapst | so i probably can't help you anyways. |
00:02:31 | Pulze | in my computer i cant see my iaudio x5 |
00:02:33 | DerPapst | barrywardell: sounds ok if you ask me |
00:02:42 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Not from me. If people object to the location later, it can always be moved... |
00:02:56 | Llorean | How 'bout /utils/disassembler/arm just in case? |
00:02:58 | Pulze | anyone know help ? i installed, have the rb folder, booted, looks for database |
00:03:14 | barrywardell | Llorean: sounds good to me |
00:03:39 | Pulze | i think i found the error |
00:03:52 | barrywardell | I can move the sh disassebler to utils/disassembler/sh/ too |
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00:07:12 | Pulze | my displaylight goes off all the time |
00:07:25 | Pulze | how can i change the time ? |
00:08:13 | DerPapst | Setting > and there should be somewhere a setting to change that |
00:08:15 | DerPapst | :P |
00:08:40 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Maybe commit Toni's original version, then the three patches? (I like having a history...) |
00:08:56 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ok. will do. |
00:09:39 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
00:10:29 | amiconn | petur: Why do you snprintf() and not just set a pointer? |
00:10:34 | pixelma | Pulze: we have a manual for these things - have a look at http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-build.html ..."Display settings" look interesting ;) |
00:10:39 | amiconn | This would save a copy operation |
00:10:58 | petur | hmmm why didn I think of that too... |
00:11:21 | Pulze | with the original fw with the on button i could toggle on of the light, but with rb i cant (iaudio x5) |
00:11:23 | amiconn | How would _I_ know? ;) |
00:11:35 | DerPapst | changin volume in the sim is a cool fature.. now i'm only missing a way to shut the sim down like on the dap or the achos plyer sim (long press 5 for ipod sims e.g.) |
00:11:45 | Pulze | im really confused |
00:13:53 | linuxstb | Pulze: Are you talking about the LCD backlight? |
00:13:55 | DerPapst | Pulze: then you should really look into the manual (and use www.dict.cc if you have probles with translating) |
00:14:34 | DerPapst | bahh.. i'm infected with the JdGordon virus :( |
00:15:00 | pixelma | well, it just needs a bit of "getting used to" (and reading the manual) and we don't want to imitate any original firmware's behaviour - would also be hard given on how many platforms rockbox runs) |
00:15:15 | linuxstb | DerPapst: You can shut down the archos player sim? |
00:15:25 | amiconn | Bagder: Commits to the (new) utils/ dir shouldn't trigger rebuilds |
00:15:32 | DerPapst | yes. it has an option in the menu |
00:15:37 | Pulze | does anybody use a zcover ? |
00:15:49 | * | DerPapst is talking of the dap with the charcell display |
00:16:20 | linuxstb | DerPapst: You could just enable that option for all sims... |
00:16:29 | amiconn | The menu option is the _only_ way for doing a clean shutdown of the player |
00:16:54 | amiconn | I wouldn't want this option in the other sims, as they don't have that option on target |
00:17:45 | DerPapst | i don't want a menu or what to shut it down.. but it would be neat if i can hold numpad 5 for 10sec and the sim goes bye-bye |
00:18:12 | amiconn | Yes, or having the Off-Off doubleclick on recorder sim |
00:18:31 | amiconn | The timeout is less than 10 seconds, btw |
00:18:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: I was just suggesting it for DerPapst's local builds (but it seems he doesn't want that...) |
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00:19:05 | DerPapst | nope.. only better simoulating the daps behaviour. |
00:19:22 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Fair enough - I was just offering an easy hack... |
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00:19:28 | DerPapst | gahh... i should give up typing for today :-/ |
00:19:50 | linuxstb | I agree it would be nice for the shutdown key combo to work in the sim. |
00:20:10 | * | amiconn hopes G3 will compile now with the hack in pp5002.h removed |
00:20:28 | DerPapst | what hack? /me checks diff |
00:20:31 | linuxstb | saratoga: Hi, how are things going? |
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00:21:14 | saratoga | linuxstb: pretty good |
00:21:33 | saratoga | haven't had time to look at seeking, been busy with family and also various problems with LSP |
00:21:52 | saratoga | people keep sending me problem samples |
00:21:59 | amiconn | DerPapst: The hack at the very end with the comment above it |
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00:22:17 | amiconn | What diff, btw? |
00:22:44 | DerPapst | i thought you commited something ;) |
00:23:08 | DerPapst | and i wanted to check viewwhatever for it :P |
00:23:32 | DerPapst | *viewvc |
00:25:34 | amiconn | Not yet |
00:25:44 | amiconn | The hack is in svn and will go away |
00:26:10 | * | DerPapst is more with iPods |
00:26:16 | DerPapst | lol |
00:26:21 | DerPapst | wring window... |
00:26:36 | * | DerPapst actually tired to contol the sim :) |
00:26:47 | DerPapst | that happens with 2 screens ;) |
00:26:57 | amiconn | see? ;) |
00:28:04 | DerPapst | −−zoom 4 = fullscreen :D |
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00:30:13 | * | DerPapst should pay 0,40EUR more for bread next time :-/ |
00:30:50 | DerPapst | you touch one piece of it and you'll end up with 10 small :D |
00:31:56 | DerPapst | at least one doesn't necessarily need teeth to eat it :P |
00:34:10 | DerPapst | btw voltage drops on my 3G when connected to usb |
00:34:37 | DerPapst | don't know how fast it would drop without connected to usb though |
00:34:57 | amiconn | SO it doesn't charge |
00:35:02 | DerPapst | correct |
00:36:46 | DerPapst | in ~4 hours from 3.85V to 3.45V with usb |
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00:38:01 | DerPapst | without diskspinning playing songs and such.. just stittin on my table |
00:38:13 | pixelma | jhMikeS: seen this thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11889.msg89909#msg89909 ? Could it be related to your radio changes (don't know how to test without an X5V though) |
00:38:30 | * | DerPapst wonders why he's always skipping that g on *ing |
00:39:01 | amiconn | skippin... |
00:39:10 | DerPapst | yeah... ;) |
00:39:12 | pixelma | well in 2 of 3 cases it was there ;) |
00:40:05 | * | DerPapst should stop visiting those tyop clases |
00:41:04 | DerPapst | Ütypo even ;) |
00:41:12 | DerPapst | err... |
00:41:19 | * | DerPapst givesup |
00:41:32 | DerPapst | :') |
00:42:38 | jhMikeS | pixelma: checking |
00:44:20 | * | amiconn crosses fingers |
00:44:35 | * | DerPapst too |
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00:46:05 | DerPapst | 3.. 2.. 1.. |
00:46:11 | amiconn | Bah, forgot to mention who made the firewire logo :( |
00:46:26 | DerPapst | 1... 2... 3... ^^ |
00:47:46 | n1s | pixelma: here now |
00:48:58 | pixelma | n1s: found an odd problem with the langV2 patch build (not directly related to a language string, maybe something with redrawing) - I'll try to explain... |
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00:50:28 | * | DerPapst hands amiconn 0 points |
00:50:37 | DerPapst | on a golden tablet |
00:52:15 | * | jhMikeS seemed wonder where the radio detect was on x5 while doing the changes. the tea5767 driver always returned true. |
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00:53:52 | pixelma | n1s: a radio recording on the hwcodec targets is controlled through the radio screen/radio context menu - now I experienced the following: entered the radio, called the radio context menu (on Ondio) - chose "recording settings" there, set a pre-record time (was "off" before). When I went back to the radio screen it should show a line which counts the time up to the set prerecord time (instead of a peakmeter) - that line was empty now (so peakmeter |
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00:54:39 | * | jhMikeS can't see how radio_hardware_present could have ever worked correctly on x5 |
00:54:59 | DerPapst | whee.. nice fiwi logo |
00:55:21 | pixelma | n1s: When I left the radio and entered the radio screen again, the line with the prerecord time was there as usual. Tested with an SVN buil - and it did not have that "won't display when coming back from the recording settings inside the radio menu" |
00:55:53 | pixelma | :) |
00:56:13 | n1s | pixelma: hmm, that is sort of obscure :-) have you tested on any swcodec target? |
00:56:31 | * | amiconn prods Bagder |
00:57:05 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are colour fw logos on their way? |
00:57:07 | pixelma | n1s: nope, I only have an M5 without a radio and I know that radio recording is controlled differently on swcodec |
00:57:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: Nope |
00:57:27 | linuxstb | :( |
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00:57:34 | amiconn | As long as we don't handle both USB and firewire in rockbox, there's no reason to |
00:57:58 | DerPapst | i got one because i cried loud enough |
00:58:06 | amiconn | I just misused the USB screen for firewire, so there can only be one |
00:58:25 | pixelma | jhMikeS: maybe it didn't - I know no-one with an X5V |
00:58:27 | amiconn | Hence the somewhat strange name of the logo file |
00:59:00 | DerPapst | heh |
00:59:30 | amiconn | DerPapst: No you didn't. You said G3 should use the USB logo |
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01:00:17 | jhMikeS | I'm not even sure how to implement it there. tea5767 doesn't return a nice chip id or anything. maybe just trying to read it would result in an i2c error from no ack. |
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01:00:53 | DerPapst | amiconn: i sad i'm ok with it until either usb or diskmode are working... ;) |
01:01:04 | DerPapst | so this logo isn't used anywhere? |
01:01:10 | DerPapst | that's a shame! ;) |
01:01:16 | amiconn | It is used on the 1st/2nd gen |
01:02:34 | DerPapst | you have better thinks to do now but when you're bored i'll try to remeber you that i want this logo on my 3G too ;) |
01:02:42 | * | linuxstb sees that TI actually published a datasheet for the firewire chip in the 4G & Color/Photo |
01:03:04 | DerPapst | o.O |
01:03:20 | DerPapst | is that somwwhat compartible to the one in other ipods too? |
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01:04:08 | amiconn | Well, the datasheet for the firewire chip in the 1st..3rd gen is also public |
01:04:32 | amiconn | ipl has a driver, but no code for the slave side of a mass storage device |
01:04:39 | bluebrother | TSB41AB1? |
01:04:43 | amiconn | But ipl can use it as a master |
01:04:46 | linuxstb | Although it seems the chip is just the physical transceiver - it works in conjunction with a link layer controller... |
01:04:49 | DerPapst | for the 1G - 3G is already code existing that talks to it... |
01:04:54 | linuxstb | Which I assume is in the PP5020... |
01:05:11 | DerPapst | you can connect the iPod via firewire to a linux runninf pc while in iPL |
01:05:23 | DerPapst | and you can connect 2 iPods with each other |
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01:05:49 | linuxstb | Ah yes, from the PP5020 product brief - "integrated Firewire Link Layer controller"... So that datasheet isn't much help. |
01:05:57 | amiconn | DerPapst: Yes, but only if the slave ipod is _not_ actively running ipl |
01:06:03 | DerPapst | http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:1Gto2G.jpg |
01:06:07 | DerPapst | yes |
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01:06:19 | amiconn | We would need to implement the "other side" |
01:06:29 | amiconn | (well, perhaps both) |
01:06:59 | linuxstb | I think I also read that transfers were extremely slow with that firewire driver. |
01:07:39 | amiconn | Well, judging from my quick look that doesn't surprise me... |
01:07:40 | bluebrother | oh, the 3G has usb in hardware? |
01:07:52 | pixelma | n1s: ah, tested some more - and the bug is present in svn too. I just hadn't seen that before because it only matters if it was off and then you'll only set it once after entering the radio screen (before I didn't test under the same conditions, for the SVN test I had a prerecord time set, then switched it off and on again without leaving the radio screen) |
01:08:11 | amiconn | bluebrother: The PP5002 has USB in hardware... just the 1st/2nd gen doesn't have it connected to the outside |
01:08:11 | DerPapst | and http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Pod2pod.png |
01:08:22 | n1s | pixelma: phew :-) |
01:08:29 | bluebrother | IPL lists a cypress chip. |
01:08:42 | n1s | had any other issues? |
01:09:44 | pixelma | not until now - but it's hard to tell if there are settings missing; there are just too many... |
01:10:17 | amiconn | bluebrother: Ah, didn't check that |
01:10:38 | amiconn | Probably the PP5002 builtin USB is 1.1 only |
01:10:52 | pixelma | n1s: already on my Ondio, an H300 or X5 will have a lot more |
01:11:31 | * | bluebrother wonders how hard it would be to implement the LLC |
01:11:42 | bluebrother | but firewire is rather complex :( |
01:11:43 | n1s | pixelma: good :-) let's hope that genlang bug gets fixed so this can be committed soon (and yes we have way, way too many settings) |
01:11:45 | DerPapst | amiconn: G3 is USB 2.0 but iirc ut uses not the builtin pp5002 usb |
01:12:04 | amiconn | yeah |
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01:12:51 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I always thought firewire was simpler than USB though... |
01:13:08 | amiconn | Now the only crucial things left for the 1st/2nd gen ports is sleep mode, and testing/adapting 1st gen |
01:13:14 | bluebrother | usb is single master, firewire not |
01:13:29 | * | amiconn now watches a defective 1st gen (verified with seller) on eBay |
01:13:47 | amiconn | It tries to boot but then shows an error, probably hdd problem |
01:13:58 | * | bluebrother did some work with firewire a few years ago during an internship |
01:14:07 | amiconn | But I now have an extra hdd to stick into it |
01:14:14 | DerPapst | what happend to the other 2G you bought? sent it back again? |
01:14:27 | amiconn | I'll probably keep it |
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01:15:04 | DerPapst | haben ist besser als brauchen ;) |
01:15:10 | DerPapst | ^ sorry :P |
01:15:12 | amiconn | Or perhaps someone needs spare parts |
01:15:24 | DerPapst | *at all not german speakers |
01:15:52 | amiconn | Well, I rather stick to the channel language |
01:15:58 | pixelma | you could translate that :P |
01:16:00 | n1s | DerPapst: To have is better than ...? |
01:16:05 | krazykit | to want |
01:16:06 | DerPapst | yes... probably the same reason why i haven't sold my other 3G yet. |
01:16:07 | pixelma | to need |
01:16:11 | bluebrother | to need? |
01:16:23 | krazykit | brauchen is need? ach, i'm rusty |
01:16:46 | bluebrother | krazykit: http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=need |
01:16:56 | krazykit | yeah, yeah, i know leo |
01:17:01 | DerPapst | you could even translate it with lack |
01:17:02 | bluebrother | :) |
01:17:21 | DerPapst | To have is better than lack ;) |
01:17:30 | DerPapst | or so |
01:17:31 | DerPapst | :P |
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01:18:36 | DerPapst | anyways.. time to get some sleep ;) |
01:18:44 | DerPapst | Good night everyone :) |
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01:19:33 | * | amiconn has an idea how to add both logos for devices which have both |
01:19:51 | amiconn | Without duplicating the whole screen, that is |
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01:20:52 | amiconn | But that can wait a bit |
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01:21:33 | DerPapst | no it can'z :P |
01:21:37 | DerPapst | *can't |
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01:21:49 | DerPapst | </bad_joke> |
01:21:50 | bluebrother | finished sleeping already? |
01:22:00 | DerPapst | good night again :P |
01:22:12 | DerPapst | yes... |
01:22:19 | DerPapst | i sleep pretty fast |
01:22:33 | DerPapst | night night |
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01:22:38 | bluebrother | cool. Gives more spare time ... |
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01:28:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: See? I changed my mind... |
01:29:27 | linuxstb | ;) |
01:30:41 | amiconn | We don't need to introduce an extra event for that, ev.data can be used to tell which type of "usb" it is |
01:31:01 | linuxstb | Should your commit have enabled reboot-to-diskmode for firewire on my Color? |
01:31:29 | amiconn | yes |
01:31:43 | amiconn | Unless I overlooked something |
01:31:49 | linuxstb | No, I did... |
01:31:55 | linuxstb | (my local tree is broken) |
01:34:16 | n1s | hmm, is there any apparent reason for this line crashing a 64 bit sim but working on 32... |
01:34:17 | n1s | rb->splash(HZ/4, "%s scores!", pad?"right":"left"); |
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01:37:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, it works nicely. |
01:44:51 | amiconn | Your local tree most probably just has the svn rename problem |
01:45:31 | amiconn | Either a full rebuild or at least removing the problematic files (librockbox.a and firmware/target/arm/usb-pp.o will fix that |
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01:48:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: No, it was unrelated to that - I had a broken patch I was looking at which stopped my build building, and I didn't notice. |
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01:53:12 | amiconn | n1s: That fix doesn't make sense imho... |
01:54:30 | n1s | amiconn: i agree :-) |
01:55:35 | n1s | but the replaced line crashed 100% reliably... |
01:55:54 | n1s | with a segfault in strlen() |
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02:54:59 | Davide-NYC | can a 230MB file be attached to a wiki article? |
02:55:27 | krazykit | ...the hell are you attaching? |
02:55:56 | krazykit | it probably can't |
02:56:07 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: Best to ask the server admins (Bagder, Zagor and LinusN) |
02:56:26 | linuxstb | But yes, what the hell are you attaching? |
02:56:50 | linuxstb | Bagder is normally around about 5 or 6 hours from now. |
02:57:03 | Davide-NYC | Well I haven't yet and it would be attached by another user. |
02:57:28 | Davide-NYC | On CodecPerformanceComparison, rather than having windows only encoding instructions we'd attach an archive |
02:57:59 | linuxstb | No, the plan was to host the codec test files on the download server. |
02:58:17 | Davide-NYC | Ah. I see. |
02:58:55 | Davide-NYC | Do these files even need to be musical in nature? |
02:58:58 | XavierGr | Davide-NYC: unfortunately the USB charging mod has another hassle, whenever I plug the AC adapter and turn on the unit it will go on USB mode :\ |
02:59:17 | Davide-NYC | That's not good. |
02:59:54 | XavierGr | I think that a simpler solution is to use a switch transistor between USB Vcc and AC adapter (+) and control it with a GPIO pin from the CPU via software |
02:59:56 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: I believe Soap has been working on assembling a suitable test track. |
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03:00:31 | XavierGr | thing is that I don't know where the GPIO pins lie on the pcb board nor how and if I can play with them |
03:01:04 | Davide-NYC | XavierGr: most of the hardware modding is over my head. I am ust an enthusiast that's handy with an iron |
03:01:09 | Davide-NYC | *just |
03:01:16 | XavierGr | I am awaiting for Linus to give me an insight on that but I haven't seen him around here lately |
03:01:51 | XavierGr | Davide-NYC: me too :P I just like to play with hardware |
03:01:52 | Davide-NYC | your idea of a software aware switch is cool. Hopefully you'll be able to figure something out. |
03:02:24 | XavierGr | yeah If I knew a vacant gpio pin that I can turn on and off on the H100 pcb then I would do it asap |
03:02:54 | XavierGr | just 3 wires and a transistor |
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03:03:05 | Davide-NYC | Soap: If there is something I can do to help with regard to the codec test audio file please let me know. |
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03:09:14 | XavierGr | bed time |
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03:27:19 | BobShield | anyone know if there's any progress or anyone working on getting rockbox to work on a sansa 2xxR? |
03:28:19 | Febs | No progress. |
03:28:29 | BobShield | cool |
03:28:35 | BobShield | everyone give up? :-) |
03:29:00 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200R |
03:29:34 | Febs | Soul-Slayer beat me to the link. |
03:29:37 | BobShield | ah, cool - it's been updated |
03:29:43 | BobShield | thx |
03:29:46 | Soul-Slayer | ;) |
03:30:03 | Febs | There's also some discussion here (though not much of substance beyond what is on that wiki page): http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9263.30 |
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04:20:19 | rikai | I'm guessing you cant install rockbox on an ipod shuffle? |
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04:22:54 | rikai | Pretty sure thats a no, since i searched all over the site and didn't see any mention of the ipod shuffle other than some disassembly pictures, but i figured i'd ask anyway. :) |
04:24:34 | Soul-Slayer | No you can't. |
04:24:59 | Soul-Slayer | And really, what difference could Rockbox make to it :P |
04:25:22 | aliask_uni | It'd make it a lot more complicated :P |
04:25:51 | Battousai | formats is about the only thing i could see |
04:25:56 | rikai | Soul-Slayer, formats. :P |
04:26:18 | Soul-Slayer | That's true, |
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04:38:03 | hcs | I think it gets the revision number |
04:38:15 | TiMiD[FD] | oh ok |
04:38:34 | Soul-Slayer | Can't be right, what if you don't use SVN and only downloaded the source from the build table? |
04:39:12 | TiMiD[FD] | it doesn't makes the build crash |
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11:54:09 | GodEater_ | it's back |
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12:01:22 | petur | 172 bugs, 490 feature requests and 243 patches |
12:02:36 | pixelma | I could add 2 or 3 bug reports if you wish :P |
12:02:45 | petur | do we really want http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2666 ? |
12:03:17 | * | petur closes it... |
12:05:48 | petur | lunch! |
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12:07:57 | DerPapst | hi there |
12:09:52 | DerPapst | maybe after recording is done and you want to test your recording the recording screen could redirect you to the directory where the recordings are stored (meaning launch the file browser and go to the recording dir directly). |
12:10:44 | pondlife | How about if it just sets the default directory if Follow Playlist is enabled? |
12:14:54 | pondlife | Is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5526 out-of-date? |
12:15:05 | DerPapst | bahh.. the log is incomplete :( |
12:15:06 | pondlife | Ipod scrollwheel acceleration API |
12:15:23 | * | DerPapst has the feeling he missed important stiff |
12:15:28 | DerPapst | *suff :P |
12:18:15 | DerPapst | anybody loged them? |
12:18:18 | pixelma | yes! *Suff :P |
12:18:40 | DerPapst | *stuff even :P |
12:19:11 | DerPapst | the "T" button was gone for a second. |
12:19:37 | * | DerPapst is annoyed by his own typos |
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12:24:39 | pondlife | B4gder: What was it? |
12:25:00 | B4gder | very weird system error kept being dumped on the screen |
12:25:12 | B4gder | I had to use the big button |
12:25:51 | B4gder | curses are hard to deal with |
12:25:59 | B4gder | we need to sacrifise a goat and stuff |
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12:31:03 | JdGordon | GodEater_: menu api wiki page is updated.. i hope its clear how it works, i somehow doubt it is though |
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12:32:02 | the_Arioch | Hello, All. |
12:32:02 | the_Arioch | Anyone knows about iAudion X5 hardware ? |
12:32:18 | JdGordon | B4gder: now the site is back up... where do you rekon the ads would go? there really isnt much real estate available... |
12:32:40 | JdGordon | except for a horizontal banner at the top and bottom.... |
12:32:41 | B4gder | JdGordon: top header I'd say |
12:33:05 | pondlife | Move the sponsors up and put it at the bottom of that column? |
12:33:34 | pondlife | But the number of lines of News varies... |
12:33:35 | JdGordon | a verticle one under the search boxes would be ok also |
12:33:35 | B4gder | well, if a company would be interested, they would also have a different interest in different positions and sizes etc |
12:33:51 | B4gder | lower down will pay less of course |
12:34:00 | pondlife | Seems this is another sponsor, maybe at the top of that box? |
12:34:10 | pondlife | Would be high up |
12:34:27 | the_Arioch | left column above the logo - textual Google AdSense for earphones, bugs, chargers and other gadgets for players? |
12:34:44 | * | JdGordon wonders wtf fireworks are going on for! |
12:35:00 | B4gder | I doubt google ads would pay much for us |
12:35:35 | pondlife | Might be better to keep the left hand bar as it is.. takes long enough to get consistency across sites there anyway :/ |
12:35:38 | JdGordon | if its pay-per-view instead of per click, one at the top of build.rockbox.org would be a nice money maker |
12:36:08 | B4gder | www is browsed more than build |
12:36:08 | pondlife | Refresh every 5 seconds...:p |
12:37:27 | the_Arioch | hmm, i did that, i mistaken bugs for bags... Guess, i'd better throughn a coin. |
12:37:28 | * | linuxstb makes a feature request for rbutil ;) |
12:39:00 | the_Arioch | Builds... what about forum topics on non-official builds ? |
12:39:58 | * | aliask can hear the fireworks but not see them |
12:41:53 | JdGordon | aliask: wow, you can hear them? i can see them from my sister window, looks like probably albert park |
12:41:57 | JdGordon | no idea why tonight though |
12:44:35 | the_Arioch | infrared fireworks ? |
12:45:03 | pondlife | It's to celebrate the completion of all 4 Rockbox GSoC projects. :p |
12:45:16 | * | bluebrother wonders what linuxstb requests ... |
12:45:33 | pondlife | ...or release of v3.1. :/ |
12:45:37 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Frequent downloads of pages with adverts on them... |
12:46:00 | bluebrother | hehe ... btw, what about adding a paypal button to the about window? |
12:46:17 | pondlife | Good idea |
12:46:53 | * | pondlife thought FS #5573 was fixed, but then it happened again. |
12:46:58 | the_Arioch | Guys, anyone knows which specs should have battery to replace one in iAudio X5 ? |
12:46:58 | the_Arioch | wiki describes all those chpips, LCD, HDD - and no word of batter :-( |
12:47:01 | linuxstb | Feels like we're moving to rockbox.com though... |
12:47:15 | SliMM | i think i've found someone at sun microsystems to help me out with java me in rockbox |
12:47:16 | pondlife | That's my concern. |
12:47:54 | pondlife | ^ to linuxstb |
12:48:06 | JdGordon | jave on a mp3 player is pretty scary also |
12:48:09 | the_Arioch | wow... now what about .Net in RockBox ? :-) |
12:48:09 | the_Arioch | Players lack network and keys, they woulr hardly be good host for j2me games/apps |
12:48:29 | the_Arioch | rockbox.com |
12:48:29 | the_Arioch | This page is parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com |
12:48:30 | * | bluebrother leaves for food |
12:48:31 | amiconn | Imho java is scary in general |
12:48:35 | B4gder | if someone wants to work on java plugin, let them have their fun |
12:49:36 | SliMM | how many keys do the common mobile phone games use? 4-5 |
12:49:54 | SliMM | i don't think players have less then 5 keys these days |
12:49:59 | * | B4gder never plays any games, not on his phone either |
12:50:04 | * | DerPapst would run a java irc client on his G3 iPod then listening to tunes and chatting in #rockbox |
12:50:30 | JdGordon | the only game i play on my phone is prince of persia, which is painful to play on it |
12:50:49 | the_Arioch | x5 joystik is much worse that usual 5 cross-like located keys |
12:50:50 | SliMM | lol, i play it too |
12:51:06 | the_Arioch | on phone you can press 2 keys at time, on most players - only one after another |
12:51:50 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5056 ... close? |
12:51:57 | SliMM | anyway, this could make java developers develop there apps for rockbox |
12:52:00 | the_Arioch | j2me is soo obvious.. .Net would be much better :-) |
12:52:21 | JdGordon | crap, 5059 i meant |
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12:52:52 | MournBlade | Monring all |
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12:53:01 | SliMM | and adding more apps won't need 'recompilation' :P |
12:53:03 | MournBlade | er....Morning |
12:53:09 | SliMM | morning |
12:53:10 | the_Arioch | RockDoom makes life awfull beacuse of those limitations, for example :-) |
12:53:21 | SliMM | i like rockdoom |
12:53:29 | SliMM | :P |
12:53:42 | B4gder | the_Arioch: it really depends on the player too |
12:53:42 | MournBlade | my brain is numb |
12:53:46 | B4gder | not all targets are the same |
12:53:47 | SliMM | and rockbox is for fun, right? |
12:54:01 | JdGordon | no, its for global domination! |
12:54:01 | B4gder | no, I do it for all the money! |
12:54:17 | the_Arioch | but it's awfull when you cannot press 2 buttons at time. |
12:54:17 | the_Arioch | You cannot strafe, cause RCU keys are not different from main unit keys and there is no rooms for turn and strafe pair at time... |
12:54:44 | MournBlade | tried to read and understand wtf Line Spectrum Pairs were |
12:54:47 | B4gder | the_Arioch: yes, but the x5 is especially bad in that context, some of the others are better |
12:54:56 | the_Arioch | it seems after all i stucked at the place where you run against veryh short timer - and that wa the time i had to forgot of RockDoom and get HelfLife 2 :-) |
12:55:03 | * | pondlife suspects B4gder has been privatised... |
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12:56:16 | * | JdGordon really wishes we could come up with a definate decision for the rec button (and configurable buttons) so about 15 tasks can ble closed |
12:56:17 | the_Arioch | anyone tried replacing stock batteries ? seems my run out :-/ |
12:56:17 | the_Arioch | Some forums say i have to get one for K700 phone... |
12:56:58 | daniel1234 | I am having trouble with unix files on my windows system. Can anyone tell me a link to a good text editor that does the unix thing? |
12:56:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: The definite decision is that we do not want configurable buttons in general. |
12:57:00 | the_Arioch | Configurable buttons would need a kind of configurable wiki and docs, soe that all the user instructions would accomodate to re-mapped button stokes :-) |
12:57:05 | JdGordon | btw... 897 tasks.... :) |
12:57:18 | the_Arioch | you meean line ends ? |
12:57:23 | amiconn | The record button on iriver might be an exception |
12:57:26 | the_Arioch | unired.sf.net - long dead though |
12:57:31 | n1s | JdGordon: you commit from last september (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=10836) broke the direct-delete button for targets which had it and I don't know of a clean way to fix it, do you? |
12:57:34 | B4gder | woo, broke the 900 level |
12:57:40 | the_Arioch | scintilla - or something like that, name is quite hard to pronounce |
12:58:06 | n1s | JdGordon: in the text_editor plugin... |
12:58:15 | JdGordon | n1s: yes and no, ive been planning on fixing htat for ages but keep forgetting... ill do it now |
12:58:43 | amiconn | daniel1234: Lots... 2 examples are ConTEXT and NotePad++ |
12:58:44 | n1s | :-) |
12:58:57 | amiconn | The former is freeware, the latter even open source |
12:59:04 | JdGordon | amiconn: i'm happy to say no customizable buttons (well for now anyway) as long as the rec button is consistant (i.e short is rec screen, long is probbaly nothing) |
12:59:32 | pixelma | not that long/short discussion again... :| |
12:59:54 | linuxstb | pixelma: What was the conclusion last time? (or was there none?) |
12:59:58 | daniel1234 | amiconn do you have an url for any of them? |
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13:00:14 | JdGordon | the conclustion was we didnt agree, and noone can be bothered actually coding the patch |
13:00:28 | JdGordon | n1s: standard context action to delete? |
13:00:32 | the_Arioch | personally i tried Notepad++ and it looks to me a monster of mIRC style |
13:00:32 | the_Arioch | an horde of options, checkboxes, gadgets... and no way to do some simple things. |
13:00:43 | linuxstb | IIUC, the REP contains a patch to make long-press on record go to the recording screen. I have no problem with that. |
13:00:48 | pixelma | linuxstb: I believe all except JdGordon didn't wnat the rec screen on a short press - though I don't think there was a real decision |
13:00:50 | the_Arioch | daniel - sf.net, then search |
13:00:54 | pixelma | *want |
13:01:00 | daniel1234 | Hey anyone had a look at fs6159 and fs6323? They sound pretty good to me being a blind user. |
13:01:07 | the_Arioch | UniRed, Scintill, Notepadd++ - all have their pages there |
13:01:08 | JdGordon | pixelma: sounds about right |
13:01:14 | linuxstb | Isn't a short press already used in a couple of places? e.g. in the keyboard? |
13:01:37 | JdGordon | if its only the keyboard its ok... |
13:01:57 | linuxstb | But if the REP people chose to use long-press, I say go with them - they're the people who actually use it... |
13:02:08 | JdGordon | daniel1234: if you can code there are quite a few patches which need a maintainer so they can be commited which would help blind users |
13:02:09 | pondlife | Short press is useful just to turn the backlight on. |
13:02:13 | amiconn | the_Arioch: Hehe, strange that you say that. Actually I use both, and think notepad++ is a bit lacking at times |
13:02:31 | linuxstb | pondlife: Then everyone is happy ;) |
13:02:34 | * | amiconn likes that ConTEXT has a file browser column at the left. |
13:02:35 | pondlife | Yep |
13:02:43 | amiconn | Direct access to the source tree.... |
13:02:55 | amiconn | The drawbage is that ConTEXT doesn't support utf-8 |
13:03:06 | amiconn | *drawback |
13:03:23 | pixelma | it's not - a short press is way too easy to press by accident, had that in the radio screen on Ondio where a short press started to record until that was changed to a double-click |
13:04:10 | the_Arioch | He! i know one overkill solution: install Eclipse IDE, then add Colourer syntax highlighter plugins, and then... |
13:04:10 | the_Arioch | That would be an uberoverkill :-) |
13:04:20 | pixelma | (about JdGordon's "a short press is ok") |
13:04:31 | JdGordon | the rec is pretty hard to press on the sansa, which is why I want short press instead of long to get into the rec screen |
13:04:50 | pondlife | Nope, gotta be a long un. |
13:04:52 | amiconn | Both ConTEXT and Ntepad++ come with syntax highlighters... very useful |
13:05:02 | JdGordon | although, I'm at the point i dont really care anymore as long as a decision happens and something gets commited |
13:05:07 | amiconn | (although I don't like some of the defaults in Notepad++) |
13:05:42 | JdGordon | n1s: was there a FS task for that? |
13:05:53 | the_Arioch | and AFAIR they both (at list NotePad++) based on scintilla engine ? |
13:05:59 | daniel1234 | How advance will I need to be with c? For fs6323 I tried the build from the date it was opened and it failed. So does that mean that it probably won't work? |
13:06:17 | the_Arioch | On the contrary, UniRed is build upon RegExp-based Colourer engine, used in FAR, for example. |
13:06:26 | JdGordon | n1s: dw, found it |
13:06:34 | daniel1234 | And how should I start when downloading the patch should I patch and then compile and find the errors? |
13:06:37 | the_Arioch | BTW WindowsCommander has one more Scintilla based plugin |
13:06:54 | SliMM | lol, there are 3 guys at sun that mailed me back |
13:07:06 | daniel1234 | To start with something simple what patch should I go and start with? Any ideas? |
13:07:08 | SliMM | i wasn't expecting that |
13:07:19 | the_Arioch | is building on Windows easy ? or better on insyall VmWare and compile inside Linux? :-) |
13:07:25 | B4gder | SliMM: ! |
13:07:36 | JdGordon | pixelma: can you do a quick manual fix? I changed the text editor delete line key from rec to standard context menu |
13:07:44 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't see a problem with making it a long-press on iriver, and short-press on Sansa - if it's so hard to press record for a long time on the Sansa. |
13:07:45 | SliMM | this is 100% rockbox-related :P |
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13:08:05 | pixelma | JdGordon: not now, have to leave in a bit |
13:08:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: I think Llorean is against that idea. |
13:08:36 | JdGordon | can any manual hackers fix that? |
13:09:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What about you? |
13:09:10 | JdGordon | we had this talk already :) |
13:09:18 | Llorean | It's no harder to press record for a long time on Sansa than it is on iRiver. |
13:09:27 | Llorean | JdGordon seems to think *all* long presses are hard. ;) |
13:09:56 | B4gder | JdGordon: looping is what we do best! |
13:10:03 | JdGordon | im saying its harder to press rec full stop than an accidental one on iriver |
13:10:15 | * | JdGordon opens manual/plugins/text_editor.tex and cries |
13:10:30 | linuxstb | JdGordon: All I read was that you said that you wanted a long-press on iriver because it was hard to press on Sansa... |
13:10:47 | JdGordon | oh, sorry, I thought you were talkign about the manual fix |
13:11:04 | JdGordon | wasnt the manual changed to a similar system to the code with actions? |
13:11:05 | Llorean | I don't think it's any harder to accidentally press it on Sansa |
13:11:11 | Llorean | If anything the button's larger and less resistant. |
13:11:29 | linuxstb | Llorean: So you're in favour of long-press on both iriver and Sansa? |
13:11:37 | Llorean | Either long on both, or short on both |
13:11:43 | Llorean | Though I do prefer long by a slim margin |
13:11:45 | linuxstb | Llorean: Make a decision! ;) |
13:12:08 | Llorean | Long, by a slim margin then. ;) |
13:12:17 | JdGordon | long it is then |
13:12:33 | the_Arioch | i heard ,when long-pressing on X5, it looks for system like randoms releasing and re-pressing keys, some kind of 'noise' there ? |
13:12:46 | JdGordon | manual fixmes... on the tracker or wiki? |
13:12:52 | linuxstb | Is it just the Sansa and iriver with a dedicated record button? |
13:12:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: X5? |
13:13:00 | pondlife | JdGordon: Tracker |
13:13:00 | linuxstb | (h1x0/h3x0) |
13:13:07 | pondlife | No patches on wiki |
13:13:17 | JdGordon | no a "bug report"... |
13:13:33 | amiconn | Llorean: On X5/M5 the record button is taken (menu button) |
13:13:37 | pixelma | the X5/M5 has a record button but it's already used for the menu(s) |
13:14:30 | Llorean | Alright |
13:14:46 | pixelma | it has less buttons than the Irivers |
13:15:31 | daniel1234 | If I can fix fs6159 then is it likely it will be include in SVN? And what about some of the other patches that improve voice feedback. |
13:15:42 | daniel1234 | Does it make the voicefile to big? |
13:15:59 | n1s | JdGordon: I'll fix the manual |
13:16:14 | JdGordon | ok, close 7517 when you do then :) |
13:16:18 | the_Arioch | on X5 there is also an RCU and it's buttons mapping seems quite chaotic to me. |
13:16:18 | the_Arioch | IO can't get their correspondance with main unit buttons and some buttons were set to do opposite thing, than they do in stock firmware. |
13:16:48 | B4gder | the_Arioch: do note that we care very very veeery little about what the OF did/does |
13:16:52 | n1s | daniel1234: I have marked that as depending on the lang cleanup as it increases the voice file size so that it can't be loaded on archos players |
13:18:08 | * | amiconn wonders that the irivers are the only targets with an unused button, even though they are not the targets with most buttons |
13:18:42 | daniel1234 | Ok so you will include it if it works? What needs to be done. Can it have a couple of hunk errors or do I need to get rid of them all? |
13:19:15 | the_Arioch | just tryed, seems that REC button on X5 RCU is not used at all |
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13:19:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: which target has more? |
13:19:45 | n1s | daniel1234: well that kind of depends on what the hunks contain ;-) |
13:19:56 | the_Arioch | [B4gder] but why, when it gives no advantage at all ? |
13:20:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: The archos recorders have 10 buttons, the irivers have 9 |
13:20:27 | n1s | daniel1234: but I will take a look at it when the lang cleanup gets in |
13:20:28 | the_Arioch | RCU is not standard part of rockbox manual and it would be nice to follow OF there. |
13:20:34 | JdGordon | amiconn: ah ok |
13:20:38 | B4gder | the_Arioch: we simply don't care how the OF works, we want to make things work as good as possible so when we discuss improvements we do it out of a usability point not compared to the OF |
13:20:48 | daniel1234 | Ok I will give it a shot. I am not a very advanced programmer but I will see how I go. Just where can I see how the talk functions work and where can I find a description on them? |
13:20:58 | * | n1s wonders if Bagder/B4gder have had a look ay genlang |
13:21:04 | the_Arioch | it is very annoying to switch from OF to RB and make most usual operations opposite to what you meant to |
13:21:04 | the_Arioch | Makes a switch much more annoying |
13:21:14 | Llorean | the_Arioch: Then don't switch. |
13:21:30 | B4gder | the_Arioch: switch from OF sure, not when switching from rockbox on other hw |
13:21:42 | Llorean | B4gder: Except the Sansa. :-P |
13:21:45 | B4gder | n1s: not yet, no |
13:22:01 | B4gder | Llorean: well, rockbox on sansa is still much more similar to rockbox on other targets than the OF |
13:22:05 | amiconn | The targets with the least real buttons are the ipods (5 buttons), but they have 7 possible actions due to the wheel. The Ondios just jave 6 buttons |
13:23:00 | pixelma | and yes the X5's remote control button mapping is a bit weird (I couldn't get used to it in the short time I tried) |
13:23:11 | n1s | daniel1234: well, the rockbox source is pretty sparsely documented so if you find something you wonder about ask specific questions here, I'm no expert on voice stuff but maybe someone else can answer |
13:24:12 | the_Arioch | B4gder - sinxe the very buttons would be quite different - it would not be much easier |
13:24:38 | daniel1234 | Do you know where I can find documentation on the voice functions maybe just a description. I just want to know how to voice splash screens and menus and then to spell stuff as well as say numbers and that might help me understand his code in fs6159 |
13:24:40 | B4gder | the_Arioch: I can tell you haven't moved around between rockbox targets |
13:24:50 | B4gder | they are all quite similar on how to use |
13:24:58 | B4gder | even those the buttons etc diff |
13:25:00 | B4gder | er |
13:25:06 | amiconn | the_Arioch: Switching between the various rockboxed targets *is* easy - and I have quite a number... |
13:25:14 | * | B4gder imagine a lot less typos and you might understand |
13:25:27 | * | B4gder stops trying to type for a while and goes for more coffee |
13:25:36 | Llorean | the_Arioch: If you think you have a better mapping that still fits how Rockbox uses the buttons, why not submit a patch? |
13:25:49 | Llorean | But please, don't simply base it on the OF |
13:26:03 | the_Arioch | If rockbox was written in Pascal, perhaps i'd tried :-) |
13:26:16 | * | amiconn didn't use the original firmware of any of those targets for more than a day, except the very first one |
13:26:43 | the_Arioch | reverse two button functiond on RCU would hardly require a patch - somthing about switching two constants, i guess |
13:27:06 | the_Arioch | Guess, amicomm does not USB on-the-go :-) |
13:27:37 | Llorean | the_Arioch: Consider also that we don't officially support dual boot on the X5. |
13:27:46 | pondlife | The iRiver non-LCD remote has no stop button, right? |
13:27:59 | B4gder | we should get that x5 dual-support added |
13:28:07 | B4gder | even though it is a pretty awful hack |
13:28:09 | Llorean | B4gder: Do we really need to? |
13:28:17 | Llorean | We may have our own USB-OTG soon |
13:28:19 | B4gder | nah, we don't "need" to |
13:28:21 | B4gder | true |
13:28:38 | Llorean | And we've got WMA now |
13:28:40 | pixelma | Llorean: for X5 that's probably a longer way off |
13:28:55 | B4gder | yeah, that reminds me about the ALI status |
13:29:10 | B4gder | no docs etc |
13:29:31 | the_Arioch | WMA working ayt last?... godd news. |
13:29:31 | the_Arioch | If only old Vorbis worked too, but there is told to be soem RAM issues with it |
13:30:16 | the_Arioch | perhaps that chip is used in some other gadgets, that do have specs ? |
13:30:34 | B4gder | that doesn't help |
13:30:41 | B4gder | we need docs for the chip |
13:30:48 | B4gder | or some rather heavy RE |
13:30:51 | the_Arioch | WMA, Llorean talks about, is via floating point ? |
13:30:58 | B4gder | no |
13:31:04 | n1s | pondlife: correct, just ffwd/back, vol up/down and play/pause and hold |
13:31:04 | B4gder | WMA fixed-point |
13:31:27 | the_Arioch | Hmm, then why WMA / x5 would be harder than for other targets ? |
13:31:44 | B4gder | the_Arioch: it's as hard as the other coldfire targets |
13:32:02 | linuxstb | the_Arioch: Are you confusing pixelma's statement (about USB-OTG) with WMA? |
13:32:13 | the_Arioch | low cpu speed ? |
13:32:35 | B4gder | the_Arioch: different arch with different optmization needs and requirements |
13:33:44 | the_Arioch | Hmm, yes, perhaps. |
13:33:44 | the_Arioch | [15:29] [Llorean] |
13:33:44 | the_Arioch | And we've got WMA now |
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13:33:44 | the_Arioch | [15:29] [pixelma] |
13:33:44 | the_Arioch | Llorean: for X5 that's probably a longer way off |
13:33:44 | n1s | daniel1234: as I said i don't know a lot about the voice stuff in rockbox and I do not have time to dig around in the source no, stuff to do :-) |
13:33:45 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
13:33:45 | the_Arioch | It looked like about WMA |
13:33:53 | n1s | s/:-)/:-( |
13:34:09 | daniel1234 | I got to go but I will check out 6159 tomorrow. And what about fs6323 any ideas on how to start coding on it? |
13:34:41 | the_Arioch | what certainly need to be patched (lazy me) is the very font rendering. |
13:34:41 | the_Arioch | when it comes about localisation - it makes RB unusable for avarage russian-speaking Joe |
13:34:54 | petur | amiconn: I wonder if wouldn't be even easier to put the rec name prefixes in a const array and use the source var as index... (that was how I was rewriting it) |
13:35:06 | B4gder | the_Arioch: how come? |
13:35:16 | n1s | daniel1234: just apply the patch see which hunks fail and try to manually merge them |
13:35:23 | the_Arioch | and btw, voice menu is fun, but why can't i use english voices (onl available) when using russian translation ? |
13:35:33 | pixelma | you can |
13:35:39 | the_Arioch | Pity, when menu turns unreadable - it coulb ba a help |
13:35:49 | pondlife | It should fall back to english.voice if no local voice is available. |
13:35:56 | Llorean | the_Arioch: You didn't answer B4gder's question on why you consider Russian unreadable on Rockbox. |
13:35:56 | daniel1234 | Ok then and should I try to compile and if I get errors should I just look at those lines? |
13:36:06 | pixelma | just rename it to russian.voice if it's "russion.lang" |
13:36:10 | pixelma | *russian |
13:36:12 | n1s | the_Arioch: are you using a font that supports russian? |
13:36:17 | the_Arioch | Easy, many fonts does not have russian characters. |
13:36:17 | the_Arioch | Sure, when i switch to some visual theme or from english to russian - i don;'t know what fonst are used |
13:36:32 | B4gder | how is that a problem with the font rendering? |
13:36:41 | n1s | daniel1234: yes that is basically it and then test if it works ok too :-) |
13:36:46 | B4gder | that's more of a general you-dont-know-what-chars-a-font-has |
13:36:48 | the_Arioch | RB could then take some font with sizes a bit smaller than requested and took russian letters from it |
13:36:58 | B4gder | whoa |
13:37:10 | daniel1234 | o yeah forgot that one |
13:37:13 | the_Arioch | Or it could take letter with similar glyphs from latin part of font |
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13:37:30 | B4gder | the_Arioch: or you could just fix the font(s) |
13:37:31 | pondlife | the_Arioch: You just need to use, or make, a suitable font. |
13:37:34 | the_Arioch | Or transcript cyrillic letters into latin |
13:37:42 | Llorean | the_Arioch: Both of those sound like ways to actually have bad font rendering, since both will be far more unpredictable. |
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13:37:56 | B4gder | and both will be a lot of code |
13:38:05 | B4gder | and a lot of tables for every imaginable language |
13:38:13 | n1s | the_Arioch: we do have fonts that support cyrillic... |
13:38:14 | Llorean | the_Arioch: If a font doesn't support characters you need, pick another font of the same size that does. It's what the "Browse Fonts" option exists for. |
13:38:16 | the_Arioch | it is not siple all those ways, but there is nothign at all. |
13:38:16 | the_Arioch | As a result - i easily have a menu with no single title readable and shuld change back to english as if i was blind :-) |
13:38:32 | Llorean | It's hardly our fault theme designers pick fonts you can't use. |
13:38:45 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
13:38:45 | * | pixelma uses the english.voice (renamed to svenska.voice) together with svenska.lang from time to time (for the fun of it) :) |
13:38:55 | B4gder | haha |
13:39:02 | the_Arioch | BTW, one more ad-hok solution, would be like that 15-seconds box in Windows, when changing screen mode. |
13:39:02 | the_Arioch | "You can read this ? confirm by ...... Otherwise settings will be reverted in next xx seconds" |
13:39:39 | Llorean | the_Arioch: You could also just check which font a theme loads before loading it. |
13:39:56 | the_Arioch | Badger - just make localistion pack not only GetText file, but also character map info. |
13:39:56 | the_Arioch | And make them optional, so user will install only the language he needs |
13:40:13 | B4gder | localistion pack? |
13:40:21 | B4gder | and its not gettext ;-) |
13:40:30 | pondlife | You can install only the language you need already (I think). |
13:40:48 | pondlife | But it's useful to keep english in case you reset your settings.. |
13:40:52 | the_Arioch | Llorean - and then open font in some viewer and check what characters it has... |
13:40:52 | the_Arioch | Sure that is great way for Linux-from-scratch fan, it would be stopper for usual Windows-user :-) |
13:41:02 | pixelma | pondlife: english is built in |
13:41:17 | pondlife | Really? I did not know that. |
13:41:18 | Llorean | the_Arioch: Or just change to that font manually and see if your menu is readable, then change back... takes 2 seconds. |
13:41:40 | B4gder | but I agree in general, we could improve in this area |
13:41:48 | B4gder | still, that's a lot of work |
13:41:51 | B4gder | for "someone" to do |
13:41:57 | * | B4gder looks at the_Arioch |
13:42:03 | pixelma | pondlife: that's why bin size increases with commits for new settings etc. |
13:42:17 | Llorean | B4gder: the_Arioch's already said he's not interested in doing any programming. |
13:42:29 | the_Arioch | Llorean - me, being programmer a bit, can foretell this, and - though quite annoing - do this. |
13:42:29 | the_Arioch | However for Average Joe that would be the time he will freeze and go to warranty service to fix the broken thing (by reinstalling OF) |
13:42:31 | B4gder | yeah, but no programming == no whining |
13:42:37 | * | pondlife wonders when the unwanted iPod 1G/2G column will vanish from the build table. |
13:42:51 | the_Arioch | So, if it a kind of filter for 31337 users - it would work great! :D |
13:43:08 | the_Arioch | Did i whined much ? |
13:43:22 | Llorean | the_Arioch: I'm personally of the opinion that as every theme is displayed in English, one should assume they're English Language rather than assuming otherwise. |
13:43:40 | the_Arioch | and after all what is bugtracker and user manual for then, if programmers' only ? ;) |
13:43:42 | Llorean | This leading to the "Don't complain that they're not when they turn out not to be." |
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13:43:49 | B4gder | the_Arioch: I already said I agree with your general point, no need to continue this as I see it |
13:44:12 | B4gder | yes it _can_ be improved |
13:44:13 | the_Arioch | Then ittook a bit too personal that |
13:44:13 | the_Arioch | [15:43] [B4gder] |
13:44:13 | the_Arioch | yeah, but no programming == no whining |
13:44:21 | B4gder | it is not likely to be so in a forseeable time |
13:44:38 | B4gder | yes, we're done now |
13:44:43 | B4gder | "someone" do the work |
13:44:44 | Llorean | the_Arioch: Yes, you can report a bug, though this is a feature request. |
13:47:03 | pondlife | What's stopping http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6159 being committed? |
13:47:23 | the_Arioch | [15:36] [Arioch] |
13:47:23 | the_Arioch | and btw, voice menu is fun, but why can't i use english voices (onl available) when using russian translation ? |
13:47:23 | the_Arioch | [15:36] [pixelma] |
13:47:23 | the_Arioch | you can |
13:47:23 | the_Arioch | Çóêðôçû öøåð üôòãôä åöóôëøòï ùà ñùòàøï àøäóû , òùå ìøô èãøäå-øò ÏÃØ àùê ñùòàøïãêôåøùò |
13:47:25 | pondlife | This is the somewhat monolithic "talkmore" patch. |
13:47:38 | the_Arioch | Perhaps with manual tweaking of config files á not via built-in GUI for configuration |
13:47:53 | Llorean | the_Arioch: Please avoid multi line pastes and spamming question marks. |
13:47:54 | pixelma | hmm? |
13:48:42 | Llorean | the_Arioch: You were told exactly how to do it, if you read the rest of the messages during that period. You just save the voice file as a different filename while you're installing it. |
13:48:56 | the_Arioch | Is thee conventional way to use english voice menu after russian menu selected ? |
13:48:56 | the_Arioch | withoun opening notepad on config files ? |
13:49:03 | pixelma | pondlife: n1s just said why |
13:49:57 | pixelma | the_Arioch: you rename the voice file not in the config file and if needed you can even do that on target |
13:49:58 | * | pondlife missed it .. |
13:49:59 | Llorean | the_Arioch: If you read up to where you were told how, config files were not mentioned. |
13:50:02 | the_Arioch | are.. file rename... a hackerish way :-) |
13:50:02 | the_Arioch | pity, there is no sylinks on FAT, i would have to keep two copies of same file :-) |
13:52:43 | pixelma | pondlife: it makes the voice files bigger, so he said he would look into it after committing the langV2 patch and target specific voice files |
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13:53:02 | pixelma | (at 13:16) |
13:53:13 | * | pixelma really off now |
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13:55:06 | n1s | pondlife: the lang cleanup drops voice file size a bit which is neccesary to fit those additional clips in the voice file for archos targets |
13:55:29 | pondlife | Gotcha.... so roll on the cleanup! |
13:56:41 | pondlife | Hmm, FS #6574 (the cleanup) is still dependent on FS #7215... is this correct? |
13:56:43 | n1s | pondlife: there's one blocking bug in genlang left, when that gets fixed it's a go :-) |
13:57:01 | * | B4gder whistles |
13:57:17 | n1s | pondlife: well, I merged them together in the last cleanup patches as they change the same things in some scripts |
13:57:20 | pondlife | Then our largest-ever dependency graph can collapse. |
13:57:39 | pondlife | So 7215 could be closed? ;) |
13:57:45 | n1s | so 7215 is only open so that interested souls can read what it does |
13:57:49 | n1s | well, yes |
13:58:36 | pondlife | Probably best if you do it - I don't have enough clue. |
13:59:18 | n1s | ok, closed |
13:59:28 | the_Arioch | x5 dualboot is really awfull - when player is on AC :D |
14:00 |
14:00:13 | pondlife | Wooh, down to 167 open bugs... will we hit 150 soon? |
14:01:05 | B4gder | the_Arioch: it is? |
14:03:27 | Llorean | amiconn: You present? |
14:05:17 | the_Arioch | yes, dualboot relies upon short-press and long-press of PWR button |
14:05:17 | the_Arioch | However on AC stock firmware (stage 3) is running, where short-press is 'LCD on/off' and long-press is 'turn-off (and restart immediately, since AC on) |
14:05:17 | the_Arioch | Result - until You unplug AC you cannot boot RB :-) |
14:05:33 | Llorean | the_Arioch: Remember, dual boot isn't supported. |
14:05:48 | Llorean | Any complaints as to how it functions should be taken to the person who wrote it. |
14:06:06 | the_Arioch | that is not bug-report, and after all if it is - it is not about Rockbox, but about dualboot, which is standalone project now :-) |
14:06:15 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox |
14:06:20 | Llorean | If it's not about Rockbox, why are you talking about it in here. |
14:06:29 | Llorean | amiconn: Here's information on the problematic Nanos: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 |
14:06:39 | the_Arioch | If Badger would not mention it - i just would not make my two cents o nit :-) |
14:07:10 | the_Arioch | Llorean - who spelled 'dualboot' here 1st ? not me. |
14:07:13 | Llorean | the_Arioch: "Someone else did it" is hardly an excuse. Please, read the channel guidelines. |
14:07:32 | Llorean | You've violated several of them with multi-line pastes and lines of question marks anyway |
14:07:50 | the_Arioch | until the topic is closed - why can't i made a reply to it and answer the questions? |
14:08:28 | the_Arioch | that was not questions marks, sorry, that was occasional cyrillics, that was not renderable on IRC |
14:08:57 | B4gder | IRC is charset agnostic, so anything outside of ascii is undefined |
14:09:01 | JdGordon | ok, so which targets have the rec button? just sansa and iriver hxxx? |
14:09:02 | Llorean | Well, being an English Language channel, that's also not within the guidelines. |
14:09:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: Those are the only ones with one usable, yes. |
14:09:21 | JdGordon | ok, goes to commit |
14:09:34 | Llorean | the_Arioch: So I'll ask you point blank, have you read the guidelines? |
14:09:40 | * | JdGordon should test on target first though :p |
14:09:41 | the_Arioch | that was occasional and make me retype the hole phrase. That was not joy for me ass well :) |
14:11:35 | the_Arioch | about fonts, it seems to be a bit naive to rely that all fonts always do have full Unicode matrix of glyphs and all the themes always use only those fonts. |
14:11:35 | the_Arioch | I think in reality there always would be themes and fonts not 100% compliant. |
14:11:35 | the_Arioch | And if Rockbox had some fallback for the case - it would enhance it, not make it 'less predictable' and worse. |
14:12:11 | the_Arioch | no. |
14:12:36 | Llorean | barrywardell: Isn't that new option for sansapatcher equivalent to the -wf in ipodpatcher or am I confused? |
14:12:54 | Llorean | the_Arioch: Then go read the guidelines. |
14:12:59 | barrywardell | Llorean: I'm not sure what -wf does |
14:13:09 | barrywardell | I haven't looked at ipodpatcher |
14:13:11 | Llorean | barrywardell: afaik, it writes the "Firmware" image. |
14:13:26 | Llorean | So, overwrites apple_Os |
14:13:34 | Llorean | I don't know if it leaves the bootloader though |
14:13:35 | Llorean | I think so. |
14:13:53 | Llorean | the_Arioch: There's no font that's 100% unicode. So nobody ever assumes that it will be. |
14:14:06 | JdGordon | B4gder: something wrong with the build server? |
14:14:07 | the_Arioch | BTW, what can be "pasting a large multi-line snippet of text, " ? Most IRC channels determine it to be 3 lines, or 5 lines. Here it seems to be without definition. |
14:14:26 | preglow | just use common sense |
14:14:31 | B4gder | JdGordon: looks fine to me |
14:14:39 | * | JdGordon was being impatient |
14:14:41 | Llorean | the_Arioch: You pasted six lines earlier, that was more than either your 3 or 5 example. |
14:14:44 | preglow | five is definitely too much |
14:14:59 | Llorean | Oh wait, that was merely 5. |
14:15:01 | * | barrywardell checks ipodpatcher |
14:15:04 | B4gder | JdGordon: btw in case you didn't see it, you were right yday about all the rev numbers updating at once |
14:15:06 | the_Arioch | Then, assuming there would be bad fonts, the fallback itself would be a good thing. However it would not be easy to decide what would be the best way. |
14:15:17 | Llorean | barrywardell: I was just thinking, if they do the same function, maybe they should both have the same flag. |
14:15:24 | the_Arioch | ok, i just quoted the script. Will avoid it. |
14:15:37 | JdGordon | B4gder: did you fix it? because I just noticed that it indeed changes |
14:15:48 | B4gder | yeah, I fixed it |
14:15:51 | the_Arioch | BTW whould long message (autowrapped into number of lines) be better than multilines ? |
14:15:55 | B4gder | jsut a typo in the script |
14:16:00 | JdGordon | hehe r14141 :) |
14:16:12 | Llorean | the_Arioch: If you need to paste something that's long, us a pastebin. |
14:16:20 | Llorean | use |
14:16:30 | the_Arioch | Many technical topicks would be hardly expressed in a tiny 5-10 words sentences. |
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14:17:02 | B4gder | the_Arioch: I don't think anyone around here has claimed so |
14:17:04 | the_Arioch | Perhaps, that is IRC protocol misfeaturs :-( |
14:17:22 | Llorean | What we asked for was no multi-line PASTES. |
14:17:48 | the_Arioch | Aaah.. ok, i guess IRC itself and channel rules themselves is offtopic here not less than dualboot :-/ |
14:17:49 | barrywardell | Llorean: IIUC, It looks like it writes over the first image |
14:17:57 | preglow | i use tons of lines just telling you what my coffee cup looks like, just don't _paste_ tons of lines and we're cool |
14:18:17 | barrywardell | so I think what sansapatcher does is different (it writes over the second image) |
14:18:31 | Llorean | barrywardell: Alright then, separate features. I thought that ipodpatcher had a feature that wrote the firmware without overwriting the bootloader. |
14:20:20 | barrywardell | I agree with your suggestion. If it turns out ipodpatcher -wf does the same thing, then i'll rename it in sansapatcher. I think they're different though |
14:20:30 | the_Arioch | BTWE, maybe to add xmpp link to the IRC as well along to irc:// link amd web-client link ? Now when there are people using LiveJourna Talk and Google Talk :-) |
14:20:46 | the_Arioch | i'm about http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
14:21:20 | preglow | how would that be possible? |
14:21:21 | JdGordon | barrywardell: you sure your commit works? I was hoping i could use it to downgrade my OF so i can get no-rebuilinding working again but it still rebuilds on usb |
14:22:04 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I tested all the cases I could think of |
14:22:29 | JdGordon | ok, shame it didnt work :( |
14:22:31 | JdGordon | no matter |
14:22:37 | barrywardell | what didn't work? |
14:22:44 | * | barrywardell is slightly confused |
14:23:29 | JdGordon | the rebuild byte doesnt seem to work anymore |
14:23:49 | JdGordon | dw about it |
14:23:57 | JdGordon | 1 more build till back to green... |
14:25:03 | barrywardell | I was trying to get no rebuilding working on 1.02.15 if that's what you mean? |
14:26:22 | JdGordon | yeah |
14:26:33 | JdGordon | the buggers changed their system |
14:26:51 | MournBlade | Is .wma −−> seekable on the plate? |
14:26:53 | JdGordon | once you downgrade our hack doesnt work anymore |
14:27:18 | JdGordon | MournBlade: no, we think you shuold always listen to your tracks as they are.... |
14:27:25 | JdGordon | of course its on the plate.... |
14:27:56 | MournBlade | just wanted to make sure since .wma is not thought of well at all |
14:28:08 | barrywardell | JdGordon: It still works for me when I downgrade |
14:28:24 | JdGordon | :'( your lucky then |
14:29:21 | MournBlade | thnx JDGordon |
14:31:33 | JdGordon | anyone else feel that any tasks with a comment like "add this asap" or "its easy to add" should be closed immediatly :D? |
14:33:41 | GodEater_ | quicker if possible |
14:33:43 | linuxstb | barrywardell:You could have just removed the "buf" parameter to write_hfile in bin2c completely... |
14:34:38 | barrywardell | will it not be needed ever? |
14:35:34 | linuxstb | Nope. I obviously just copied and pasted the other function. |
14:36:32 | JdGordon | assuming http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4771 still works is there any reason to not add it? same for a similar patch for sansas.. |
14:36:48 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ok, i'll remove it now |
14:37:12 | pondlife | JdGordon: It's not synced, is it? |
14:37:29 | JdGordon | its just a quick sync for plugin.[ch] |
14:37:36 | JdGordon | needs a function to be added |
14:37:43 | JdGordon | im looking at the actual plugin code atm |
14:38:56 | * | JdGordon looks for someone with an ipod to see if it actually works |
14:39:11 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I would be against 4771 unless someone was around who was interested in maintaining it. Even if it works today, it will most likely break next time Apple change their DB format... |
14:39:43 | linuxstb | And I'm pretty sure it doesn't work - there's a forum thread about it IIRC. |
14:40:00 | JdGordon | ok, good enough for me :) (also i just realised it uses the old menu api so needs a bit of work to sync) |
14:40:49 | linuxstb | So I guess it can be closed as "out of date"... |
14:41:18 | JdGordon | done already :) |
14:41:31 | B4gder | 883 tasks open |
14:42:06 | aliask | Would anyone be mortally offended if I committed 7136? |
14:42:33 | pondlife | Nope |
14:42:44 | aliask | Dionea said he'd commit it a little while ago, but hasn't said anything since... |
14:42:48 | * | pondlife can't speak for everyone ... |
14:42:49 | JdGordon | go for it |
14:42:59 | * | GodEater_ ventures to suggest that with a bit of testing, 7486 could also possibly be commited |
14:43:07 | JdGordon | nup... |
14:43:10 | JdGordon | :D |
14:43:27 | JdGordon | another patch for an ipod maintainers eyes.... 5423 |
14:44:06 | pondlife | Won't jhMikeS's new acceleration make that irrelevant? |
14:44:17 | pondlife | I mean, when the work is done to allow it onto iPods. |
14:44:27 | JdGordon | ... if it ever gets done |
14:44:44 | pondlife | I suppose that could go in in the meantime... |
14:44:55 | pondlife | (if tested) |
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14:45:11 | linuxstb | pondlife: I didn't think we did "could go in in the meantime"... |
14:45:25 | linuxstb | i.e. don't commit things we know are wrong... |
14:45:47 | amiconn | petur: I also thought about using an array - after committing my solution |
14:45:48 | linuxstb | (hence no album-art etc) |
14:46:05 | pondlife | Ah, but this fixes the current code AFAICT |
14:46:10 | amiconn | You could still try, and if it's more efficient, commit it |
14:46:20 | pondlife | It's not a new bad thing.. |
14:46:37 | pondlife | As long as it won't make jhMikeS's work harder. |
14:47:14 | pondlife | And doesn't break Sansa! |
14:47:14 | JdGordon | well, i pointed it out because it doesnt look like it redoes what jhMikeS is plannig, but yeah, just a minor fix for the svn code |
14:47:25 | * | amiconn has an idea how to properly accelerate scrollwheels _and_ not require much code on the app layer _and_ not make it lag |
14:47:31 | barrywardell | JdGordon: now my database is rebuilding too :( |
14:47:59 | petur | amiconn: ok |
14:48:02 | pondlife | amiconn: Isn't that what jhMikeS already did on Sansa? |
14:48:03 | JdGordon | hmm... its in button.c... it might not even patch |
14:48:07 | amiconn | The first step would be dynamic adjustment of wheel sensitivity based on current speed, like I suggested a few days ago |
14:48:25 | JdGordon | barrywardell: hehe awww |
14:48:32 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5059 is ripe for rejection, I'd think... detecting silence at start/end of songs. |
14:48:46 | B4gder | amen |
14:48:50 | JdGordon | hell yeah! |
14:48:52 | pondlife | "improves real gapless playback" :) |
14:49:11 | amiconn | Then we could use the already existing wheel event skip (when queue isn't empty), count the skipped events in the driver, and send the number of skipped event when able to send the next wheel event |
14:49:17 | amiconn | (in ev.data) |
14:49:47 | amiconn | Then the app layer can evaluate ev.data and skip n lines instead of jsut one |
14:50:10 | pondlife | B4gder, JdGordon: were those amen/hell yeah!s for me? |
14:50:16 | amiconn | Should be completely smooth this way... |
14:50:18 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I even tried putting the OF PP5022.mi4 on the Sansa, let it update, then installed the rb bootloader and it's still not working. I don't see why when it worked before |
14:50:21 | B4gder | pondlife: yes! |
14:50:51 | JdGordon | barrywardell: I even put the old OF back in recovery mode and no good |
14:51:06 | * | JdGordon too chicken to use e200 tool for this |
14:51:20 | JdGordon | so i never connect it anymore... always use the mSD card to update |
14:52:13 | barrywardell | has that been a problem for long? I hadn't noticed |
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14:52:21 | JdGordon | re http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5017 wasnt there a plugin to do this? I was going to commit it, but realised it was into the core which isnt good |
14:52:48 | JdGordon | barrywardell: it happened with the new bootloader.. some guy asked me to figure out the byte to change and now im stuck |
14:53:22 | barrywardell | which version did it start at? |
14:53:55 | pondlife | B4gder: What was the problem that resulted in a reopen request for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6266 ? |
14:54:20 | pondlife | Ah, I see. Will fix. |
14:54:36 | B4gder | right, the history tab contains that info |
14:54:49 | JdGordon | barrywardell: I dont remember |
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14:56:29 | * | aliask hopes he doesn't get any reds on his first commit |
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14:56:52 | JdGordon | if you do you'll hear about it pretty quickly :D |
14:57:10 | aliask | :P |
14:57:25 | SliMM | how can i create a dynamic playlist in rockbox? |
14:58:00 | JdGordon | all playlists which arnt loaded from a .m2u is a dynamic one |
14:58:05 | JdGordon | .m3u |
14:58:05 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I think this is the plugin you were thinking of: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6586 |
14:58:23 | JdGordon | yep, it should be commited like the other test ones |
14:58:51 | JdGordon | unless someone disagrees? |
14:59:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon: BTW, there was some discussion about splitting the plugins into subdirs yesterday - didn't you write a patch for that? |
14:59:09 | * | barrywardell thinks 6586 should get committed, 5017 get rejected |
14:59:33 | JdGordon | linuxstb: bluebrother's patch is good, except it doesnt handle internalization at all |
14:59:36 | SliMM | JdGordon: i mean i want to create a playlist without saving it, but when i select a song to start with, the whole folder is added to the dybamic playlist |
14:59:51 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7445 <−− close this one too if my patch gets accepted ;) |
14:59:56 | JdGordon | SliMM: check the manual under "working with playlists" or something |
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15:00:09 | SliMM | ok |
15:00:26 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What did bluebrother's patch do? I thought your patch created new menu items which were then pointed to subdirs of the .rockbox/plugins/ folder? |
15:00:34 | linuxstb | (and I like that approach) |
15:00:50 | JdGordon | I dont reember actually |
15:01:05 | JdGordon | but yeah, adding submenus to the plugin item would work |
15:02:10 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ah, both of the patches need to be commited to do it |
15:02:21 | aliask | Damn! Stupid ipod 1/2/3g! |
15:02:30 | B4gder | hahaha |
15:02:43 | B4gder | 320 points to aliask! |
15:03:18 | JdGordon | hey aliask... guess what? |
15:03:29 | aliask | ... what? |
15:03:36 | JdGordon | REEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDD! :D |
15:03:40 | pondlife | :) |
15:03:47 | * | JdGordon so funny |
15:03:59 | JdGordon | just when we get it back to green :p |
15:04:11 | the_Arioch | ok, good bye and good day to all! |
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15:04:19 | * | aliask whips up a keymap for them |
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15:10:41 | amiconn | I found that the apple loader enables a number of bits in DEV_EN which the OF disables. Maybe that's the key to less battery consumption on PP... |
15:11:15 | B4gder | sounds like a fair guess! |
15:12:03 | amiconn | aliask: Just reuse the IPOD_4G_PAD mappings for IPOD_3G_PAD and IPOD_1G2G_PAD |
15:12:16 | amiconn | That's what all plugins currently do. |
15:12:18 | aliask | Yes, I just realised I could do that |
15:12:45 | aliask | Makes things nice and neat :) |
15:12:49 | amiconn | The keypads are separate defines in case a plugin wants to account for the slightly different layout |
15:13:36 | n1s | aliask: that check in apps/plugins/SOURCES is a little odd, which targets are you excluding, and why? |
15:14:47 | aliask | n1s: I'm not even sure any more. Looks like I'll fix a couple of things in my oops commit then |
15:15:26 | aliask | It was really because the limiting factor was which bitmaps I had drawn, and I just kept tacking on more and more supported display sizes. |
15:16:14 | aliask | Is there a define for all ipod scroll wheels? |
15:16:16 | n1s | aliask: hmm, it seems only archoses, h10 5/6 bg and the ifp are excluded, it just wasn't very clear |
15:16:30 | n1s | s/bg/gb |
15:16:54 | maddler | anyone using cpchan? I can't find how to rate songs... :) |
15:17:08 | n1s | maddler: what is cpchan? |
15:17:20 | maddler | beside that... just found that holding "select" will freeze my e260 |
15:17:34 | maddler | cpchan's rockbox build |
15:17:51 | n1s | maddler: please only report problems with official builds here |
15:18:24 | maddler | n1s: sorry... I was giving it a try... |
15:19:30 | n1s | maddler: if you encounter problems with official builds, we would like to hear about them but we have no control over those unoffial builds and know not which patches or other changes they have done to the rockbox source |
15:21:08 | maddler | n1s: yes, I [perfectly understand... I was only "curious" to know if someone else was using that build... :) |
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15:21:34 | maddler | n1s: I'm aware that I can't complain here for unofficial builds' problems and issues... |
15:21:36 | Llorean | amiconn: afaiks, one of the problematic Nanos reports the same information regarding the flash as mine does. |
15:21:37 | maddler | :) |
15:21:50 | Llorean | cs, rather than ks |
15:22:21 | n1s | maddler: just making sure :-) |
15:22:21 | aliask | n1s: Do you think it'd be ok if I just added a comment to make it obvious which targets it was building for? |
15:22:48 | n1s | aliask: yeah sure |
15:22:50 | aliask | Because if I do it any other way, it'll just be as messy, if not worse |
15:23:15 | n1s | aliask: or you could do #if LCD_WIDTH > 128 |
15:24:41 | aliask | Ah, that would just be too obvious then wouldn't it... |
15:24:52 | n1s | :-P |
15:27:11 | n1s | B4gder: if a build fails the revision number for the zip is missing from the current build page but you can still download the old zip... |
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15:28:04 | B4gder | odd |
15:28:24 | pondlife | I assume it's meant to display the old revision number... |
15:28:28 | B4gder | yes |
15:28:34 | B4gder | which is the current for that one |
15:29:15 | B4gder | hm |
15:29:55 | leftright | Thanks to whomever made it possible to have custom keyboards via a .kbd file, works like a bomb, dont have to struggle with the tiny fonts, just grand |
15:30:05 | barrywardell | anyone agains rejecting http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6961 ? |
15:30:12 | B4gder | ehm |
15:30:20 | B4gder | the zip is still copied, even when the build failed... |
15:30:32 | B4gder | which is why the rev is not there |
15:30:34 | B4gder | the file is borked |
15:31:21 | barrywardell | and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7305 too? |
15:31:48 | Llorean | barrywardell: I'd say be rid of them. Hold has a purpose, and it's "Hold" |
15:31:55 | B4gder | close close close |
15:31:57 | petur | yup, kill both |
15:32:21 | aliask | lol, that's the most pointless FR ever |
15:32:24 | barrywardell | closing |
15:32:35 | leftright | if I navigate to a playlist in playlist catalog, then wish to "view" a playlist it exits back to the catalog directory, is this intentional ? |
15:34:02 | B4gder | there, now the build page says "broken?" for rev number in case it can't find it |
15:34:49 | jhMikeS | <amiconn> Then we could use the already existing wheel event skip (when queue isn't empty), count the skipped events in the driver, and send the number of skipped event when able to send the next wheel event |
15:34:53 | jhMikeS | :) |
15:35:02 | jhMikeS | done already |
15:35:03 | leftright | should I open a bug report for that viewer bahaviour ?^^^ |
15:35:50 | Llorean | leftright: I don't understand what exactly the problem is. Or are you saying it doesn't let you view the playlist? |
15:36:13 | leftright | yes, it doesn't let me view the playlist in Playlistr catalog |
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15:37:00 | Llorean | Does it give you the option to view it? |
15:37:05 | * | Llorean doesn't use the playlist catalog feature. |
15:37:15 | leftright | yes via the context menu |
15:37:22 | Llorean | Then yeah, it's a bug. |
15:37:34 | Llorean | If an option is there, and doesn't do what it says it does, it's a bug. :) |
15:37:40 | Llorean | Either it shouldn't be there, or it should work. |
15:38:09 | leftright | k, thanks |
15:40:44 | B4gder | well, the reds moved to the right |
15:40:48 | B4gder | -50 at least |
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15:41:57 | * | bluebrother comes back and notices quite an amount of commits ... |
15:42:51 | bluebrother | hmm, as the record button is now used, do we want to keep FS #5555 open? It's still about customizable buttons ... |
15:43:01 | petur | more red.... |
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15:43:21 | petur | bah /me is late |
15:44:23 | GodEater_ | customizable buttons == bad |
15:44:47 | bluebrother | so ... reject that task or what? |
15:45:25 | petur | I think 5555 is part of the REP |
15:45:41 | bluebrother | it is? |
15:45:49 | petur | or maybe part of it |
15:46:43 | petur | hmmm maybe only the REC -> rec screen part is... |
15:46:51 | bluebrother | hmm. But now as we have rec -> recording screen, do we want the customizable part of that patch? |
15:46:58 | * | bluebrother dislikes customizable buttons |
15:47:08 | GodEater_ | support nightmare |
15:47:09 | * | petur too |
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15:48:54 | bluebrother | hmm, what do you guys think of a wiki page ExternalPatches or similar? That could link to externally hosted patches |
15:49:13 | B4gder | I doubt it'll be maintained |
15:49:37 | bluebrother | we could close all patches that won't get into Rockbox but there would still be a list of them (hosted externally) |
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15:50:28 | aliask | I blame n1s :) |
15:51:45 | bluebrother | hmm, leaving the rec screen now always goes back to the main menu. Intended? |
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15:53:02 | JdGordon | bluebrother: oversight |
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15:53:17 | JdGordon | the rec screen still only returns bool instead of GO_TO_* values |
15:53:43 | bluebrother | btw, I just discovered something similar: go to the rec screen, leave it with the stop button. |
15:54:02 | bluebrother | pressing Menu now goes back to the rec screen. Looks a bit awkward to me |
15:54:13 | bluebrother | but it might be something that has existed before. |
15:54:39 | JdGordon | not much can be done about that atm |
15:57:08 | * | jhMikeS has a working dual-core spc codec :) |
15:57:29 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: not proper dual core in the core? |
15:58:00 | JdGordon | bluebrother: were you in the discussion about organising the rocks dir linuxstb said happened yesterday? |
15:58:01 | jhMikeS | no but it runs the emulator on the COP |
15:58:22 | jhMikeS | so DSP and EMU run in parallel |
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16:00:03 | bluebrother | can anyone reproduce FS #7519? It works fine for me |
16:00:09 | pondlife | late lunchtime... |
16:00:18 | bluebrother | JdGordon: no ... do you have the time around? |
16:01:00 | JdGordon | I was asking you for it... but just fund it, around 22.00 |
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16:01:24 | * | bluebrother reads log |
16:01:48 | * | jhMikeS also knows what gives with mpegplayer. more caching stuff for sure. |
16:01:56 | JdGordon | a whole 5min of chat :p |
16:02:20 | JdGordon | bluebrother: it looks like the menu part of my patch, and your together would work |
16:02:43 | JdGordon | except, each plugin needs to be checked that its config/extra files will still be in the correct place |
16:03:08 | bluebrother | well, it wouldn't be able i18n-ing the plugin names |
16:03:56 | JdGordon | nothing will.... |
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16:04:24 | bluebrother | well, I'm thinking if it would be a feasible option to have .desktop files for that. |
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16:04:42 | bluebrother | those files could also be used for links. |
16:05:06 | bluebrother | but it might be too complex for this purpose |
16:05:16 | JdGordon | I thought about that also, but its not very nice |
16:05:40 | JdGordon | and I cant see how it would be usefull here anyway... |
16:05:53 | bluebrother | are there any better options? IMO it would be best to address i18n the same time. |
16:06:18 | bluebrother | links are requested since ... long. |
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16:07:06 | JdGordon | I dont think renaming the plugins is going to be nice... definatly going to be extra bloat... |
16:07:17 | JdGordon | renaming on the fly i mean |
16:07:28 | bluebrother | how do you want to rename them? Upon every language change? |
16:07:57 | bluebrother | but we could just browse a folder containing the desktop files which translate themself. |
16:08:03 | bluebrother | and put the rocks somewhere else. |
16:09:25 | JdGordon | I was thinking that the rocks folder is a special case and we check for /.rockbox/langs/<language>.plugins when entering it and then the filenames are dispayed differently |
16:09:32 | JdGordon | but that will be a nasty hack |
16:09:35 | JdGordon | and not really nice |
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16:09:47 | JdGordon | imo i8n "folder" names is enough |
16:09:53 | n1s | bluebrother: or we can see them as applications like on a desktop computer, the names are hardly ever translated |
16:10:03 | bluebrother | hmm. My idea was to have /.rockbox/plugins/<plugin>.desktop |
16:10:35 | n1s | bluebrother: that seems sort of un-kiss and doesn't bring much of a gain |
16:10:39 | bluebrother | and this file contains a [name (LANG)]=foo, [exec] = /.rockbox/rocks/foo.rock |
16:11:02 | bluebrother | not sure ... that way we could have links in the filesystem. |
16:11:22 | bluebrother | as exec = /some/folder would just cd to that folder in the file browser |
16:11:32 | JdGordon | yikes |
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16:21:52 | * | B4gder is less than 160 commits away from 10000 commits on ohloh |
16:22:45 | aliask | I think the key to the effort is more "oops" commits. |
16:22:50 | bluebrother | don't get me jealous ;-) |
16:22:50 | B4gder | indeed |
16:22:53 | * | JdGordon rekons he can beat B4gder, even though he is only at 400somthing |
16:23:16 | bluebrother | do they also measure the quality of commits? |
16:23:30 | B4gder | they measure average size and comment ratio etc |
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16:25:31 | B4gder | I have a 23.7% comment ratio in rockbox commits |
16:25:58 | B4gder | bluebrother: you have a whopping 35.2 |
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16:26:10 | bluebrother | noticed that ;-) |
16:26:34 | bluebrother | just wondering where I wrote that much comments. Maybe the zip library has a lot of? |
16:26:51 | * | bluebrother usually comments more than he did on the rbutilqt sources |
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16:35:02 | saratoga | linuxstb: Hopefully you check the logs |
16:35:21 | saratoga | i've got a problem file that i think might break the wma parser |
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16:38:02 | saratoga | interestingly, it works in the old parser you gave me a month ago, but I cannot get it to work in rockbox (sim or target) |
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16:39:04 | saratoga | if you could take a look at it, that'd be great, I've spent the last 3 days testing everything in wmadeci.c I can think of |
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17:02:11 | XavierGr | yay for REC button usage on Hxxx at last! \o/ |
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17:09:30 | bluebrother | XavierGr: can you reproduce FS #7519? It works fine for me so I suspect it being a bug |
17:09:58 | bluebrother | (anybody else?) |
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17:24:20 | SliMM | i have a question for the devs: why wouldn't you want a java me platorm plug-in? |
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17:29:35 | petur | as long as it's a plugin, go ahead ;) |
17:29:54 | linuxstb | SliMM: What can I do in Java that I can't do in C? |
17:30:39 | * | petur waits for an SWF viewer request... |
17:30:42 | SliMM | linuxstb: others can develop plugins that don't need tobe included in the svn to be accesible to ALL rockbox users |
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17:31:37 | SliMM | others can develop non-open-source plug-ins |
17:31:39 | SliMM | etc |
17:33:33 | linuxstb | SliMM: That's not something I want to do - hence I don't want java. But as petur said, if you want to do, then go ahead. |
17:33:52 | SliMM | i didn't say you should do it |
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17:36:20 | linuxstb | I'm just saying that I don't think anyone would be against a java plugin being committed if someone wrote it, just that there is no interest in it. |
17:37:11 | SliMM | ok, i've found several people interested in writing such a plugin |
17:38:19 | linuxstb | Also, allowing non-open-source plugins isn't really a selling point... |
17:38:26 | linuxstb | (IMO) |
17:38:59 | pondlife | People use WINE, mind... |
17:39:13 | pondlife | Although I agree with linuxstb |
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17:39:56 | SliMM | well, they won't be really plugins, they'll be java apps |
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17:52:13 | saratoga | linuxstb: do you have an easy way to test if the asf parser is breaking on a wma file? |
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18:00:23 | linuxstb | saratoga: DEBUGF() in the sim... |
18:01:03 | saratoga | i was afraid you were going to say that |
18:01:28 | saratoga | i basically have a file that works (more or less) in the old parser you gave me a month ago, but coredumps the sim and on targets |
18:02:00 | saratoga | any ideas where i should be looking? |
18:02:16 | SliMM | rockbox will be featured in a java podcast :P |
18:03:03 | saratoga | it initially decodes, then after 4 blocks worth, in the middle somewhere, it just starts spitting random numbers out from the VLC decoding |
18:03:31 | saratoga | i have made no progress in figuring out why or how |
18:03:33 | linuxstb | Are the packets split into multiple payloads? |
18:03:47 | saratoga | i don't know |
18:03:54 | saratoga | is that difficult to check? |
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18:05:02 | linuxstb | No - look in wma.c at the main parsing function. Towards the end will be a for() loop which goes through all the payloads. If I was you, I would scatter DEBUGFs in that function so I understood what the structure of the file was. |
18:06:27 | saratoga | ok i will work on that today |
18:06:38 | saratoga | i suppose this will be a good introduction to the parser anyway |
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18:09:45 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I had an idea about changing the UI for rbutil ;-) |
18:10:40 | bluebrother | what do you think about moving the device selection to a tab and add the mount point to that too? |
18:11:04 | bluebrother | the current device selection could simply show the selected player and mountpoint and have a "change" button |
18:11:32 | bluebrother | that way we wouldn't need to repeat the mountpoint setting line on all dialogs. |
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18:13:08 | bluebrother | or put it to the settings dialog and call that with the "change" button |
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18:13:53 | XavierGr | bluebrother: I think the user that opened that report said that it might not be a bug after all |
18:13:57 | XavierGr | but let me test it anyway |
18:14:39 | bluebrother | XavierGr: ah, just noticed the latest comment on that. |
18:15:01 | bluebrother | seems I looked at it just in the few minutes between those two comments :) |
18:15:12 | Domonoky | bluebrother: sounds nice.. |
18:15:28 | bluebrother | do you think that should be in the configuration dialog or in the settings? |
18:15:56 | bluebrother | s/settings/tab view/ |
18:16:01 | Domonoky | also, the device detection can detect also the path (but not on every system, and not for all devices).. |
18:16:22 | bluebrother | yeah −− my main idea was that this setting usually only needs to get adjusted once |
18:16:23 | Domonoky | configuration would be nice.. |
18:16:46 | bluebrother | nice. |
18:17:09 | bluebrother | I'm out over the weekend, but I want to work on that and the themes installer. |
18:17:13 | Domonoky | i would place make both, the path and the device not change able in the normal UI.. |
18:17:17 | XavierGr | nope it works fine to me too |
18:17:41 | bluebrother | scorce mailed me the php file for the integration so I'll look into making that easier. |
18:17:45 | Domonoky | and only have a autodetect button.. if autodetection couldnt detect something, it ask for your info.. |
18:18:11 | bluebrother | you mean in the configuration dialog? Only show the autodetect button as per default? |
18:18:27 | XavierGr | bluebrother: I took the initiative and closed it :P |
18:18:42 | Domonoky | in the Main window, above the Tabs, show the device and the path and the autodetect button.. |
18:18:48 | bluebrother | ok, then I can close the tab in my browser ;-) |
18:19:01 | bluebrother | ah, that was the idea I had. |
18:19:36 | Domonoky | an we make a Device configuration dialog.. :-) |
18:19:37 | bluebrother | something like "Device: Ipod Mini at /media/ipod" [Change] |
18:19:52 | bluebrother | my idea was to just add it as first tab to the configuration |
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18:20:23 | Domonoky | ah, yeah, there are tabs in the configuration dialog :-) |
18:20:35 | bluebrother | I already added those ;-) |
18:20:39 | pondlife | saratoga: If the sim is faulting, you could try running it under gdb. |
18:20:49 | bluebrother | only some functionality is missing right now |
18:20:51 | Domonoky | and a change button is even better then a autodetect button.. put the autodetect button into the configuration dialog.. |
18:21:01 | bluebrother | yeah. |
18:21:29 | bluebrother | btw, upon replacing the logger icons I haven't found a checkmark so I used an arrow |
18:21:43 | leftright | Bluebrothrt, XavierGr: although that bug you closed doesn't appear normally, it is worthwhile noting that that bug will occur if the playlist file is created/edited without proper spacing and imported to Rockbox |
18:22:02 | bluebrother | what does "proper spacing" mean in that context? |
18:22:30 | leftright | if you add line spaces to the entries to make htem more readable in a editor |
18:22:48 | bluebrother | in a m3u file? |
18:22:54 | leftright | yes |
18:23:05 | bluebrother | who wants to add spaces to a playlist file? |
18:23:22 | bluebrother | Domonoky: btw, I also had the idea of using a tree view for the devices |
18:23:32 | leftright | it happened to me, go to go chat later |
18:23:54 | bluebrother | we could group them by manufacturer (I added the "manufacturer" item some days back) |
18:24:03 | Domonoky | bluebrother: would be nice.. |
18:24:32 | bluebrother | I think I'll try to give it a shot. Let's see how much time I find for this on the weekend |
18:24:56 | Domonoky | :-) |
18:25:17 | bluebrother | (family stuff over the weekend. Laptops are really a nice thing ;-) |
18:25:18 | * | Domonoky will try to complete the talk file creation on this weekend.. |
18:25:52 | bluebrother | btw, should the scrobbler thing be part of rbutil or should we consider moving that to a plugin? |
18:27:09 | Domonoky | scrobbler would be good as a plugin, but i dont know how complicated it is, to build a plugin :-) |
18:27:31 | bluebrother | at least the documentation doesn't sound too complex. |
18:28:01 | Domonoky | and scrobbler for rbutil is just a gui for libscrobbler.. |
18:28:18 | bluebrother | we could remove the scrobbler configuration tab for now and once rbutil is as functional as the wx version try to add plugins |
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18:28:36 | Domonoky | yes.. |
18:28:37 | bluebrother | ... and possibly make an installer. And support for portable installation |
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18:36:14 | obo | scobbling doesn't have to have a gui, could just open the log and submit it. |
18:36:19 | domonoky2 | portable installation could be some work, because of all the temporary files.. at moment they use QTemorary file, which puts them somewhere in a temp folder.. |
18:36:26 | pondlife | Silly question perhaps, but do we offer a precompiled rbutil for download (for Win32, in my case)? |
18:36:47 | domonoky2 | obo, but a UI would be nicer.. so you see what you commit.. :-) |
18:37:31 | domonoky2 | pondlife: we provide this for the old rbutil.. the new rbutilQt version, isnt really ready.. |
18:37:51 | pondlife | Domonoky2: Where on the site? |
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18:38:12 | domonoky2 | pondlife: in the wiki, Rockbox Utillity.. :-) |
18:38:24 | pondlife | Ah, I'd never have guessed :) |
18:38:28 | bluebrother | pondlife: I have a binary of the current state around at my uni webspace |
18:38:54 | * | pondlife was thinking a Win32 rbutil would be the first port of call for uber-n00bs.. |
18:39:02 | bluebrother | wanna try? |
18:39:06 | pondlife | Yep |
18:39:18 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-static.zip |
18:39:26 | leftright | bluebrother: With regards to the edited .m3u file, what I did was edit a .m3u file on my pc, in the procees I put each entry in a new line, then I exported the playlist to my player and thats when I saw that the "view" menu wouldn't read the .m3u file |
18:39:58 | bluebrother | as that's a static binary screen readers won't like it, unfortunately. |
18:40:36 | leftright | ok, nothing to be done then |
18:40:51 | pondlife | Autodetect not done yet...? |
18:40:55 | bluebrother | nope |
18:41:04 | bluebrother | uninstallation is also missing |
18:41:20 | pondlife | I'm "pretending" to be a dumb 1st timer. |
18:41:42 | bluebrother | btw, how about adding a "clean installation" button that removes the complete /.rockbox folder prior to installing? Might be useful sometimes |
18:42:27 | pondlife | The Complete and Small Installation buttons are dead, right? |
18:42:44 | bluebrother | yeah. All greyed out buttons aren't implemented yet. |
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18:43:36 | pondlife | And no voice stuff yet? |
18:43:51 | * | pondlife is probably getting ahead of himself |
18:44:34 | pondlife | I assume the "old" rbutil is more complete? |
18:44:57 | bluebrother | yep. |
18:45:11 | bluebrother | at least currently ;-) |
18:45:30 | pondlife | Hmm, I have just installed but it's given me a modified build.. 14147M |
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18:46:05 | pondlife | Perhaps it didn't install anything. |
18:46:15 | pondlife | I may well have already been running that. |
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18:48:44 | * | bluebrother already moved device path selection to the configuration dialog |
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18:49:06 | domonoky2 | bluebrother: there is a way to build rbutil static with accessibility.. you have to add Q_IMPORT_PLUGIN(qtaccessiblewidgets) to the main.cpp and add QTPLUGIN = ... to the .pro file |
18:49:41 | domonoky2 | see, somewhere on this page: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/plugins-howto.html |
18:49:44 | bluebrother | nice. I just haven't checked the documentation hard enough :) |
18:50:03 | bluebrother | just recompiled Qt to build static binaries as I wanted to know how big they get. |
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18:52:18 | Domonoky | pondlife: feel free to help with rbutilqt :-) |
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19:32:29 | Nico_P | hi everyone |
19:32:39 | Nico_P | how's the tracker cleanup week going ? |
19:33:08 | linuxstb | Harshly... |
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19:33:48 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what do you mean ? |
19:33:50 | * | linuxstb was just reading 5059 and thinks it's a reasonable feature (although hard to implement). |
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19:43:43 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Just for sansa, or? |
19:44:09 | amiconn | Llorean: argh! It could still be an ata timing issue though |
19:45:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, 5059 is also a re-request, which is kinda irritating to see, especially since they clearly knew the previous request is there. Assuming the previous one is the same thing (my net is being irritating) |
19:46:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's no reason to close both of them though IMO... |
19:47:19 | Llorean | It's just stranger now that mine still plays back fine. |
19:47:19 | Llorean | Yeah, the original could be left open. |
19:47:22 | Llorean | I didn't know the original was closed (as I said, my connection is being really nasty here) |
19:47:24 | alienbiker99 | 3 year difference in opening too |
19:48:10 | linuxstb | Yes, I don't know why the original was closed, and the later duplicate left open... |
19:48:38 | alienbiker99 | 5059 has a more detail desciption maybe? |
19:48:44 | linuxstb | But it still sounds like a nice feature - it's nothing to do with gapless playback. |
19:50:10 | alienbiker99 | how hard would that be to implement though |
19:50:36 | linuxstb | I don't think it would be easy. |
19:50:44 | linuxstb | (but then, nothing related to playback is easy...) |
19:50:47 | amiconn | Urgh, gap removal... |
19:51:05 | alienbiker99 | how do i change the volume from log to db in the wps screen? |
19:52:02 | XavierGr | "mind the gap" |
19:52:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: I can't see how crossfade can make any sense without it... (that's probably why I've never cared for crossfade). |
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19:53:13 | amiconn | I can't see how crossfade makes sense at all, so... |
19:53:20 | alienbiker99 | idk if that made sense, but when im at the wps screen, i get like only -3, -2, ... to 3. and i want to see it in db |
19:53:34 | Llorean | alienbiker99: Yes, they say that in the newer task (which is the one I can see) |
19:53:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Re-open the original? |
19:53:43 | Llorean | You'd have to analyze the song (or at least, a certain percentage of it at the end) rather than simply playing it back. |
19:53:48 | Llorean | So you'd have to decode some of it far enough in advance to be able to decide after where to skip. |
19:53:51 | amiconn | alienbiker99: Then add the unit string behind it. Volume is always in dB in rockbox |
19:54:13 | amiconn | Llorean: Define 'far enough' |
19:54:35 | amiconn | I have a very long track (actually consisting of 4 songs, ripped as it is on the cd |
19:54:49 | amiconn | Song 1 and 2 have a 2min 30 sec gap between them |
19:54:50 | linuxstb | I'm sure it must be within the skill of human beings to implement it... |
19:54:50 | alienbiker99 | i dont mean like that. when im in the menus i see the voumes as say -32, but at the same volume on the wps is -2 |
19:55:15 | amiconn | eh? |
19:55:43 | amiconn | If you have numeric display in the wps, the value is identical to what is shown in the menu |
19:56:04 | Llorean | alienbiker99: Do you mean -3 is the lowest it goes to? |
19:56:04 | Llorean | If you have a range from -50 (or -60 or -70 or something) to +3 then you're in dB |
19:56:17 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: What tag is your wps using to display the volume? |
19:56:33 | alienbiker99 | im using iamp. |
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19:57:42 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: As Llorean asked, what is the minimum and maximum numbers displayed for volume? |
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20:00:12 | alienbiker99 | i dont know its the default for rockbox. the volume in the menu is different from the wps and idont know why. |
20:00:28 | Soul-Slayer | What is your lowest volume figure in the WPS...? |
20:01:16 | alienbiker99 | -8 and 0 |
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20:02:30 | alienbiker99 | ermm, i just put it at the highest 0, then going down it went to -9 then to -1 |
20:03:07 | linuxstb | Is it being displayed on the right side of the screen? Looks like it's just being cut off... |
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20:04:03 | alienbiker99 | hm actually its in the middle, but it looks like its being cut off by the play icon |
20:07:25 | Soul-Slayer | It should only go as low as -74 though shouldn't it? |
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20:07:30 | Soul-Slayer | -74 to +6 |
20:07:37 | Soul-Slayer | Or is it target specific? |
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20:08:25 | Soul-Slayer | But being cut off does make sense there. |
20:08:25 | alienbiker99 | not how to fix this t hough =\ |
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20:08:46 | Soul-Slayer | Move the volume left slightly. |
20:09:01 | Soul-Slayer | Or icons right slightly ^^ |
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20:11:19 | amiconn | Soul-Slayer: Volume range is target specific |
20:11:29 | amiconn | It depends on what the audio codec allows to set |
20:11:42 | jhMikeS | amiconn: the sansa wheel driver is the only one that generates the proper data but the iPod ones could |
20:13:04 | Soul-Slayer | Ah okays. |
20:15:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Does it also use the average number of event/second for adjusting the sensitivity? |
20:15:58 | amiconn | (my first idea, later extended by also sending the number of skipped events) |
20:16:21 | jhMikeS | it uses wheel velocity with a filter in clicks/uS |
20:16:45 | amiconn | Aha, hmm |
20:16:56 | amiconn | I should probably take a look at that code |
20:17:00 | jhMikeS | all fixedpoint |
20:17:21 | amiconn | But first some ipod power measurement is due, including sleep mode |
20:17:56 | jhMikeS | don't you think threads should have a place to sleep? like going into USB mode? |
20:18:11 | amiconn | ? |
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20:18:44 | jhMikeS | are you just leaving them all running wherever they happen to be? |
20:19:24 | amiconn | No, I will hook up sleep mode to sys_shutdown |
20:19:37 | amiconn | It won't be sleep like apple does |
20:20:55 | amiconn | Perhaps true sleep can be implemented |
20:20:58 | amiconn | ..later |
20:21:34 | amiconn | For now I thinks it's too much hassle to figure out all things which have to be deinited and reinited properly |
20:22:32 | jhMikeS | at least making the threads go block before sleeping would keep things from running and it could be handled somewhat like SYS_USB_CONNECTED |
20:22:57 | amiconn | That won't help much |
20:23:17 | amiconn | There's also some hardware which has to be switched off and reinitialized after sleep |
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20:51:25 | roie | Hi, what is SVN? |
20:52:03 | GodEater__ | subversion |
20:52:08 | GodEater__ | it's the source code control system we use |
20:52:11 | linuxstb | It's where Rockbox lives |
20:55:07 | * | amiconn realises that he didn't try wma decoding speed on 2nd gen yet |
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21:03:11 | amiconn | 135% realtime (128kbps wma) |
21:04:51 | amiconn | 79% boost |
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21:14:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you know what the same file is on other targets? |
21:15:03 | amiconn | On PP502x it's near 190% iirc |
21:15:34 | * | amiconn checks |
21:19:00 | amiconn | 197% realtime on mini g2 |
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21:20:31 | linuxstb | I would have expected a difference like that - there's a lot of the WMA decoder not using IRAM. |
21:20:54 | amiconn | 144% realtime on coldfire (H180) |
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21:23:42 | petur | am I correct that we will never support APEv2 tags fro MP3? So I can close 2598 (patch)? Or is there still a chance? |
21:23:50 | petur | *for |
21:26:49 | yjoe | Are there any plans to include an option to control USB connect mode so that it just starts charging. Maybe tie it into car adapter mode. Or...is there a way I can help to get that integrated? |
21:27:20 | GodEater__ | yjoe: this is already implemented |
21:27:22 | linuxstb | yjoe: There's already that option. You hold a button (MENU on ipods for example) whilst inserting the USB cable. |
21:28:16 | yjoe | I mean include an option so that does not happen. FS #5359 is an example and there are a couple patches that do this. I did a custom build to just reverse the button behavior. |
21:28:39 | yjoe | It is used so that in car adapter mode the ipod just starts playing when the car is started. |
21:29:16 | linuxstb | When you attach usb power only (not to a computer), it shouldn't go into disk mode. If it does, it's a bug in the USB detection. |
21:29:43 | * | petur gives up on reporting abuse to Road Runner. Horrible service people. Or rather stupid.... |
21:30:00 | yjoe | Ok. I was using code from January on a Ipod Video. I will try latest code and see if it works. |
21:30:17 | linuxstb | yjoe: A lot has changed since January... |
21:30:24 | linuxstb | Including the USB detection... |
21:30:39 | bluebrother | yjoe: make sure you have the latest bootloader |
21:31:00 | yjoe | I was monitoring SVN looking for this option to be added. Didn't think about the detection being fixed. |
21:31:55 | GodEater__ | don't make assumptions about what'll make it into SVN either... |
21:32:04 | GodEater__ | any sansa owners around ? |
21:32:04 | markun | yjoe: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
21:32:14 | markun | "2007-02-04: Ipod, Sansa e200 and iriver h10 can now distinguish a charger from a real USB connection." |
21:33:45 | * | GodEater__ doesn't think the context menu code in the sim works for the sansa... |
21:33:55 | GodEater__ | either that or I'm pushing the wrong button |
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21:53:08 | majeru | hello, is there any plan for a rockbox port to SigmaTel 3600 SoC? (trekstor vibez, Rio Karma-like players)? |
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21:53:53 | markun | majeru: I didn't hear of any such plans no. Are you interested in working on it? |
21:54:28 | markun | Isn't the Rio Karma portalplayer based? |
21:54:38 | majeru | i'm not a rockbox dev, just a player owner |
21:54:59 | Bagder | we don't plan ports |
21:55:04 | markun | well, it's better for a player owner to do the port than a rockbox dev |
21:55:28 | majeru | i'd like to if i'd had the skills :) |
21:55:38 | markun | find some other owners who have the skills |
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21:56:05 | majeru | :) |
21:56:36 | markun | Is there some forum for trekstor vibez users? |
21:57:02 | linuxstb | majeru: Most devs have a lot of players already - hence the general lack of interest in new ports from existing developers. New blood is needed... |
21:57:42 | majeru | markun: this is karma: http://dapreview.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.193#HARD |
21:58:24 | majeru | linuxstb: i'd like to, but i have no idea what it implies |
21:58:44 | markun | majeru: what made you say it's SigmaTel 3600 based? |
21:58:59 | majeru | wikipedia |
21:59:28 | markun | majeru: do you have a link? |
21:59:35 | majeru | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekstor_Vibez |
21:59:50 | majeru | is SigmaTel 3600 supported? |
21:59:57 | linuxstb | That's not the Karma... |
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22:00:16 | markun | they only talk about similar features |
22:00:39 | markun | majeru: we don't support any SigmaTel 3600 players yet |
22:01:12 | markun | but we do have support for the portalplayer cpu in the karma |
22:02:46 | * | GodEater wonders what he did with his old karma |
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22:02:59 | markun | looks like STMP3600 is ARM based |
22:03:02 | Bagder | I can't find any cpu info about the trekstor |
22:03:08 | linuxstb | GodEater: Kept it safe in preparation for a Rockbox port? ;) |
22:03:17 | GodEater | er of course.... |
22:03:18 | Bagder | except for the wikipedia page |
22:03:36 | GodEater | bugger - what recent commit filled up viewers.config ? |
22:03:58 | linuxstb | Someone added the .sgb extension for rockboy... |
22:03:59 | Bagder | oh, I can... |
22:04:08 | GodEater | well I'm stuffed then |
22:04:14 | linuxstb | majeru: Is the trekstor easy to physically disassemble? |
22:04:15 | GodEater | there's no more room |
22:04:28 | linuxstb | GodEater: Then increase the size... |
22:04:43 | * | GodEater goes hunting to find out where |
22:05:24 | majeru | linuxstb: it's not very hard |
22:05:34 | linuxstb | majeru: The first step to a port would be to physically disassemble it, scan the internals and try and identify all the chips. |
22:05:46 | linuxstb | See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
22:05:47 | majeru | the assemly is similar to nokia's old phones (eg 3310) |
22:06:17 | linuxstb | Bagder: So it's definitely a STMP3600? |
22:06:22 | markun | majeru: what do you mean? |
22:06:26 | Bagder | yes, it seems so |
22:06:32 | majeru | the back cover is detachable |
22:06:33 | Bagder | "Yes, we already have the entire Karma feature set, plus USB mass-storage and more, working on the STMP3600." |
22:07:01 | Bagder | http://www.riovolution.org/thread/28 |
22:07:10 | majeru | it's a piece of cake to disassemble |
22:07:14 | | Quit desowin ("use linux") |
22:07:35 | majeru | a matter of minutes with a screwdriver |
22:07:36 | markun | Bagder, linuxstb: a list of other sigmatel based players: http://www.thai-audiofile.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20304&sid=6203c974cdcda2c1e22ac7a52c218f82 |
22:08:28 | Bagder | wow, that page has a lot |
22:08:34 | markun | majeru: if you make a wiki account we can give you write permission |
22:08:53 | majeru | markun: what for? |
22:09:00 | markun | majeru: to upload the scans |
22:09:12 | majeru | okay |
22:09:16 | markun | if you want |
22:09:21 | majeru | i will after i get done my SoC project |
22:09:26 | markun | ok |
22:09:32 | markun | what are you working on? |
22:09:44 | majeru | audacious |
22:10:06 | majeru | i'm adding MTP, lastfm and DAAP support |
22:10:18 | markun | then why do you think you are not skilled enough? |
22:10:39 | GodEater | linuxstb: MAX_FILETYPES I'm guessing? |
22:10:54 | majeru | well, i have no clue about rockbox |
22:10:55 | linuxstb | Sounds right. |
22:11:06 | GodEater | it's set to 75 for SWCODEC at the moment |
22:11:10 | markun | majeru: well, non of us had a clue when we started on it |
22:11:11 | GodEater | and 48 for HWCODEC |
22:11:19 | majeru | :) |
22:11:24 | GodEater | they don't sounds entirely abitrary |
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22:11:33 | majeru | i'll give it a shot afterwards |
22:11:34 | GodEater | so what's a good number to raise them to ? |
22:11:37 | linuxstb | GodEater: Check the svn logs for the file... |
22:11:47 | GodEater | good plan |
22:11:51 | petur | hmmm archos has no hold button? |
22:12:04 | * | GodEater needs to work out how to do that though |
22:12:21 | majeru | do you think it's hard to make the vibez port? |
22:12:29 | markun | majeru: ok, good luck. you can expect support from other devs, but in the end it can only be done by people owning the player and wanting to spend their time on it. |
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22:12:49 | majeru | thanks, markun |
22:12:54 | markun | majeru: hard to say. Is there a firmware update for example? |
22:13:00 | majeru | yes |
22:13:05 | majeru | 2 sec |
22:13:08 | markun | is it encrypted? |
22:13:08 | Bagder | and try getting a data sheet |
22:13:25 | Bagder | without it, it is a lot harder |
22:13:36 | majeru | http://www.trekstor.de/downloads/produkte/vibez/firmware_vibez_v1-04_rc5_all.zip |
22:13:56 | majeru | this the firmware it runs out of the box |
22:17:56 | linuxstb | That's an .exe file... |
22:17:56 | majeru | :) |
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22:17:56 | DerPapst | boooooo |
22:17:56 | majeru | linuxstb: i suppose that exe can be sniffed |
22:17:56 | majeru | i mean when uploading itself to the player |
22:17:56 | GodEater | it seems the custom is to just up it a few at a time |
22:17:56 | GodEater | although I can see no ups on HWCODEC for a while |
22:17:56 | linuxstb | I think most additions have been the audio formats supported on swcodec. |
22:17:56 | linuxstb | Which probably add up to almost the 27 difference. |
22:17:56 | GodEater | I see that |
22:17:56 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK GodEater |
22:17:56 | GodEater | but surely new viewers should up the amount on both types of target |
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22:17:56 | NSplit | niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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22:17:56 | DerPapst | maybe the firmware can be extracted the same way like the old iPod Updaters |
22:17:59 | DerPapst | with resource hacker or something |
22:18:03 | NHeal | niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
22:18:03 | NJoin | rasher [0] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) |
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22:18:50 | peppo | I dunno what's happened, but my iPod video goes into "OK to disconnect" as soon as I connect it with my USB cable |
22:19:20 | DerPapst | and the other end of the usb cable is connected to... |
22:19:25 | peppo | ze computer |
22:19:37 | peppo | okay, hm |
22:19:53 | peppo | I changed the usb slot |
22:21:45 | peppo | it works now :P |
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22:21:45 | DerPapst | shouldn't it go to diskmode when you plug it into your pc? |
22:21:45 | DerPapst | ah ok.. |
22:21:45 | peppo | I guess it was just that my slot |
22:21:45 | peppo | (slot? what do you call it... brain freeze :p ) |
22:21:45 | petur | GodEater: apps/filetypes.c |
22:21:45 | | Nick sbeh is now known as gentoo (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) |
22:21:45 | petur | GodEater: apps/filetypes.c |
22:21:45 | | Nick gentoo is now known as sbeh (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) |
22:21:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK peppo |
22:21:45 | peppo | ... was broken |
22:21:45 | GodEater | petur: already found it |
22:21:45 | petur | sorry, my client was playing tricks with me... |
22:21:45 | DerPapst | say at least thank you... |
22:21:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK DerPapst |
22:21:45 | DerPapst | ^ to GodEater |
22:21:51 | DerPapst | ;) |
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22:22:01 | GodEater | thank you petur |
22:22:08 | petur | np |
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22:22:09 | Ctcp | Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 3 minutes and 49 seconds at the last flood |
22:22:09 | * | GodEater looks scared at DerPapst the channel polics. |
22:22:11 | petur | :p |
22:22:12 | * | DerPapst is happy now |
22:22:17 | GodEater | *police |
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22:23:43 | NJoin | rasher [0] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) |
22:23:43 | NJoin | preglow [0] (n=thomj@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
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22:23:47 | * | petur is puzzled by http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1081 and where how it would be used |
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22:24:00 | DerPapst | meh... wrong button |
22:24:27 | * | petur hands DerPapst more fish |
22:24:54 | petur | and two mice |
22:25:40 | DerPapst | mice? |
22:26:21 | Buschel | hi there, does anyone know what is difference in power consumption between PP502x at max. CPU-clock (80Mhz) against default (30MHz)? |
22:26:30 | GodEater | I don't know how Bagder puts up with that e200R guy. He's a complete tit. |
22:26:49 | saratoga | Buschel: theres a post in the forums from Toni about that |
22:27:02 | saratoga | i believe he said the PP5024 gained 1 ma of current per 4MHz |
22:27:04 | Bagder | well, possibly all the details will shed some lights for others (too) |
22:27:14 | saratoga | presumably he was testing between 30 and 75MHz |
22:27:37 | GodEater | Bagder: his latest post is pure rubbish again though |
22:27:43 | Bagder | indeed |
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22:28:34 | Buschel | saratoga: thanks, just searching for the posting. btw, that's a lot! |
22:28:35 | saratoga | we need to keep track of how many posts of his get deleted for asking things already explained on teh same page |
22:28:42 | petur | ok to reject http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1249 ? |
22:29:18 | GodEater | saratoga: how about posts which aren't in the wiki because they're complete nonsense ? |
22:30:31 | saratoga | GodEater: i tend to think of them as being the same thing |
22:30:44 | saratoga | and anyway, i've personally deleted 17 |
22:30:57 | saratoga | though i'm starting to lose count |
22:32:22 | saratoga | Buschel: its a lot but i think the PP5024 is better off then the other PP chips |
22:32:39 | saratoga | the sansa seems to get really good battery life compared to the other PP targets |
22:33:57 | petur | 858 and counting :) |
22:35:01 | saratoga | linuxstb: do you know if the seeking in libasf is functional? |
22:35:08 | saratoga | their implementation doesn't look that complicated |
22:37:27 | bluebrother | Domonoky: got the devices list working ;-) |
22:38:21 | Domonoky | nice :-) |
22:38:53 | bluebrother | was a bit of work until I understood how it works. But now it's kinda obvious ;) |
22:39:07 | Buschel | saratoga: just found the posting. so, nobody knows about the mA / MHz on other PP-targets? e.g. there are several MHz wasted on non necessary WPS-updates |
22:40:00 | Soul-Slayer | FS #2262 I can't see that being a useful feature really, the date already sets from the builds date, the time is constantly changing... |
22:40:24 | linuxstb | saratoga: No, I've no idea if it's working. |
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22:43:16 | saratoga | linuxstb: so packets are variable sized in asf? |
22:43:32 | amiconn | saratoga: That does probably not have to do with the different PP chips, but how hardware is initialised by the manufacturer's loader |
22:43:41 | amiconn | I hope to know quite a bit more soon |
22:44:27 | saratoga | amiconn: one thing i remember reading somewhere is that there was no ATA hardware on the pp5024, don't know if its true, but I always assumed that had something to do with it |
22:44:30 | linuxstb | saratoga: IIUC, they are fixed sized in terms of bytes, but not in terms of the length (in seconds) of the content. |
22:44:39 | Bagder | saratoga: it is true |
22:44:55 | * | amiconn already found out that the PP5002 only uses 16bits of its DEV_EN register |
22:45:00 | amiconn | PP502x uses all 32 |
22:45:54 | amiconn | The DEV_EN setup for Mini G2 and Video is the same (as seen in rockbox, which does touch some of the bits but far from all) |
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22:47:47 | amiconn | H10 has 4 bits set different |
22:48:02 | amiconn | On PP5002 I found that the OF disables some bits which are enabled by the loader |
22:50:40 | * | petur reads http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2465 and falls off his chair :) |
22:52:05 | petur | would like to kill 2465, 6036 and 6530... ok? |
22:52:39 | pondlife | Yes! |
22:52:46 | Soul-Slayer | 2465 o.0.. |
22:52:59 | pondlife | fax modem??! |
22:53:00 | petur | P2P network over audio |
22:53:26 | Soul-Slayer | Dear.. |
22:53:43 | amiconn | 6530 is valid imho (USB host) |
22:53:57 | amiconn | The others are a bit off from what rockbox is |
22:54:08 | Soul-Slayer | Yeah nuke 'em |
22:54:24 | amiconn | Although, it's not *that* far fetched to think about transferring data via audio |
22:54:42 | amiconn | Many home computers of the 80s did this |
22:54:58 | petur | yeah, but who will ever put time in it? |
22:55:15 | petur | bah... bloody dependency block |
22:55:19 | Soul-Slayer | What would the point be though? Most (If not all) players only have a line in on their dock, so it wouldn't be any good on the go... And I don't see anyone jumping to try and create it |
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22:55:56 | saratoga | linuxstb: are you calling doing anything to the stream in your parser before the first call to asf_read_packet? Or does that handle skipping past the header? |
22:55:58 | amiconn | The irivers and the archoses which can record both have plain standard line in sockets |
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22:56:29 | linuxstb | saratoga: The wma codec itself doesn't parse the header - it's parsed and the small amount of data needed is stored by the asf parser. |
22:56:34 | amiconn | No nasty dock concept... |
22:57:03 | saratoga | linuxstb: thanks, i see |
22:57:12 | linuxstb | And the ipod's dock is perfectly usable on the go - with a suitable adapter cable... |
22:58:22 | linuxstb | saratoga: The problem I couldn't solve with asf files was reading the various timestamps in the packet and payload headers and trying to match those with the audio content. They didn't seem to match... |
22:58:53 | saratoga | linuxstb: so you're already parsing the seek table thing in the header? |
22:59:08 | linuxstb | No. |
22:59:41 | linuxstb | IIRC, I couldn't find any seek tables in my test files. |
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23:00:02 | bluebrother | wow, down to 850 now. |
23:01:21 | saratoga | linuxstb: libasf refers to a seek table in the header, and if its not there, it just does an approximate seek by taking an average msec per packet (at least thats what a quick reading suggests to me) |
23:01:40 | saratoga | it sounds like we'll probably end up mostly doing the latter then |
23:02:01 | saratoga | looking online, the seektable seems mostly to be important for video files, its possible a lot of software doesn't write it into a audio files |
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23:02:30 | linuxstb | Yes, but I would hope we don't have to guess - i.e. that the packet headers tell us exactly where we are in the stream. |
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23:04:05 | saratoga | so in the worst case (no seeking table) you'd make a good guess and then check to see where you ended up? |
23:04:23 | linuxstb | Yes, and it's that's check which I couldn't work out. |
23:04:52 | amiconn | Then why not just make a guess and use it for a start? |
23:05:05 | amiconn | It wouldn't be worse than what we have to do for mp3 |
23:05:26 | amiconn | And since most wma files seem to be cbr... or am I wrong on this? |
23:05:31 | linuxstb | Because there's no urgency? |
23:06:01 | amiconn | Seeking is important imo. Not necessarily during playback, but for proper resume |
23:06:12 | linuxstb | I thought they were cbr, but each packet (which is a fixed size) seems to spit out a variable number of samples... |
23:06:47 | petur | 848 and counting :) |
23:07:00 | saratoga | WMA seems to have some sort of bit resivior |
23:07:05 | linuxstb | But that's probably related to the bit reservoir - I'm not sure how that can impact things. |
23:07:09 | saratoga | its only CBR over the long term |
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23:07:25 | salty-horse | any sansa devs around? |
23:08:24 | Bagder | salty-horse: ask your question and you'll find out |
23:10:42 | salty-horse | I got a sansa e280, where the box (and store) says its 280, but when I look at the device it says "e280R" which isn't supported by rockbox. does anyone know if this is indeed the 280r model mentioned? (i'm returning it if it is :/) sansapatcher worked without giving any error, but rockbox won't start. |
23:11:23 | Bagder | salty-horse: when you started the unit, did it show a Rhapsody logo or so? |
23:11:23 | BobShield | yeah |
23:11:29 | salty-horse | no |
23:11:35 | salty-horse | Bagder, it did not |
23:11:41 | salty-horse | but the back of the battery has the raphsody logo |
23:11:44 | BobShield | does the menu have the "Rhapsody Channels" option |
23:11:44 | petur | Although it looks usefull, should we remove http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4774 - seeing who posted it? |
23:11:48 | salty-horse | and the model number is 280r |
23:11:54 | Bagder | salty-horse: that certainly sounds like an R model to me |
23:11:57 | salty-horse | (on the battery as well. nowhere on the box) |
23:11:59 | saratoga | linuxstb: MSDN has quite a lot of information about seeking in wma files, am I allowed to use that? |
23:12:00 | BobShield | sounds like an r |
23:12:03 | salty-horse | argh |
23:12:25 | BobShield | don't feel bad, i have one as well |
23:12:39 | amiconn | saratoga: Well, it's just public information. As long as you don't c&p code, I don't see a problem |
23:12:45 | Bagder | petur: yes, since we can't use his code |
23:12:48 | linuxstb | saratoga: The ASF specification itself has a very strict license IIRC. |
23:13:37 | saratoga | linuxstb: i've heard that, but looking at their page, I don't see anything about a license to read the Win32 API |
23:13:38 | salty-horse | BobShield, that's not very helpful :) |
23:13:53 | salty-horse | BobShield, what does the box say? |
23:14:05 | saratoga | and ASF seeking is part of Win32 or WM or whatever MS calls this stuff now |
23:14:52 | saratoga | example: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb530117.aspx |
23:14:52 | salty-horse | BobShield, it doesn't have an "R" in the menu as seen here: http://sandisk.com/Products/Catalog(1220)-SanDisk_Sansa_e200R_Rhapsody_Series_MP3_Players.aspx |
23:15:59 | petur | enough tracker cleaning for tonight... |
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23:17:11 | saratoga | since theres some abiguity, I just won't read their pages |
23:17:31 | Bagder | salty-horse: what does your computer say that it is when you connect it to USB? |
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23:18:24 | salty-horse | Bagder, the mounted drive is called "Sansa e280" |
23:18:55 | Battousai | sounds like some kinda dirty refurb trick or something |
23:19:13 | Battousai | i'd take it back and demand 3 free new ones |
23:19:14 | Bagder | very confusing, yes |
23:19:21 | salty-horse | is it possible to install the original e200 bootloader/firmware on the device, and then rockbox? |
23:19:29 | salty-horse | Battousai, i will do that on sunday |
23:19:33 | salty-horse | i will call sandisk too |
23:19:47 | Bagder | salty-horse: yes |
23:19:53 | salty-horse | what should I say if they ask why I care for the model? |
23:20:10 | Bagder | tell them the truth imo |
23:20:30 | Battousai | ask them what business it is of theirs and conjecture that their mothers were rather easygoing in the bedroom |
23:20:42 | Battousai | then call back and tell them the truth i guess |
23:20:57 | salty-horse | its generally a brick to me |
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23:21:19 | Bagder | salty-horse: what happens when you start it now? |
23:21:33 | salty-horse | it just starts usually, like i never ran sansapatcher |
23:21:45 | Bagder | oh |
23:21:56 | salty-horse | patcher says: |
23:21:57 | salty-horse | [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. |
23:21:57 | salty-horse | Press ENTER to exit sansapatcher : |
23:22:12 | saratoga | heh generally a brick == works normally? |
23:22:18 | Battousai | depends |
23:22:39 | Battousai | if all you need is for it to be there, sure |
23:23:24 | salty-horse | saratoga, well, I don't want a locked device with trusted software. I want to play my oggs and flacs |
23:24:02 | saratoga | salty-horse: brick means it doesn't turn on |
23:24:15 | saratoga | in other words, functions as a brick would |
23:24:46 | linuxstb | Well, if your music is oggs and flacs, then it may as well be a brick (I think that was the point...) |
23:25:43 | salty-horse | and i want better language support, etc |
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23:28:26 | Bagder | Battousai: does your R model call itself e2x0R in USB? |
23:28:38 | Battousai | not me |
23:28:40 | Battousai | i have no r |
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23:28:59 | Battousai | i have a regular e280 |
23:28:59 | Bagder | ah sorry, it was BobShield |
23:29:07 | Battousai | oh |
23:29:23 | Bagder | BobShield: does your R model call itself e2x0R in USB? |
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23:29:53 | salty-horse | everything in the box says e280, but there's a rhapsody coupon hidden inside |
23:30:31 | * | bluebrother just committed the changed device selection for rbutil |
23:31:18 | Bagder | salty-horse: rhapsody should be pretty useless on a non-R model... |
23:31:40 | salty-horse | different type of DRM? |
23:31:43 | Battousai | out of curiosity, where did you purchase it? |
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23:32:32 | Bagder | salty-horse: the R is for rhapsody |
23:32:48 | Bagder | so yeah, the vanilla has no such support |
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23:33:11 | salty-horse | Battousai, a store in Israel, unrelated to sandisk israel, but i'll call both |
23:33:16 | Battousai | ah |
23:33:25 | Battousai | well as long as it wasn't best buy |
23:35:01 | salty-horse | it was this. can't see much, but note the "e280": http://www.g-tech.co.il/Product.asp?Pid=Sandisk-e280&Cat2Cat1ID=35&Cat2ID=62 |
23:35:13 | salty-horse | and the link to the "company info": http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Default.aspx?CatID=1166 |
23:36:26 | Battousai | wow cool |
23:36:35 | Battousai | konqueror's right-to-left works correctly |
23:37:24 | salty-horse | sure it does - at least in most cases |
23:38:02 | salty-horse | firefox 2.0 has some (fixed) problems with :before and :after selectors |
23:38:18 | salty-horse | gah this is so annoying |
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23:45:09 | salty-horse | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200R says that "no Rockbox developer owns an R model" - is it true? |
23:46:23 | Bagder | yes, to my knowledge |
23:46:26 | advcomp2019 | an easy way to tell the r series from the non-r series is the rhapsody channels in the main menu |
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23:49:17 | Bagder | n1s: I've figured out the genlang problem now and I think I'll have a fix soonish |
23:50:06 | salty-horse | advcomp2019, i have no such channels |
23:50:11 | salty-horse | how can I tell the firmware version? |
23:50:36 | salty-horse | and the box doesn't look like the one in the cnet review http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/sandisk-sansa-e280r-rhapsody/4505-6490_7-32102346.html?tag=prod.txt.15#more |
23:50:36 | salty-horse | doesn |
23:50:44 | salty-horse | doesn't have the branding and the blue color (its green) |
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23:52:24 | advcomp2019 | Setting −−> Info |
23:53:18 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
23:54:38 | salty-horse | advcomp2019, doesn't list a version of anything |
23:55:06 | salty-horse | oop |
23:55:08 | salty-horse | s |
23:55:11 | salty-horse | 01.02.15A |
23:55:42 | Bagder | that sounds non-R |
23:55:56 | advcomp2019 | that sounds like non-r |
23:56:22 | salty-horse | sounds like i have a very weird device |
23:56:30 | Bagder | salty-horse: possibly something just went wrong with your sansapatcher run |
23:56:36 | salty-horse | the R version at the sandisk website is 1.0.2.165 |
23:56:48 | salty-horse | Bagder, probably. let me try and get the latest from sandisk... |
23:56:56 | Bagder | yeah I have 01.02.15A listed on my mi4 page for plain e200 |
23:57:01 | Bagder | (american) |
23:57:13 | salty-horse | should I run the sansapatcher uninstaller? or will it do nothing? |
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23:57:42 | Bagder | since it didn't seem to have installed anything, I don't think you need to uninstall |
23:57:49 | advcomp2019 | most rhapsody editions firmware does not have have a letter at the end |
23:58:13 | salty-horse | oh wait, before running the sansapatcher: |
23:58:23 | salty-horse | sandisk says there's a "On your Rhapsody device, go to "Settings" -> "Mode" then select "Rhapsody"" setting |
23:58:42 | salty-horse | and all i saw is the two MSC and the other one |