00:00:42 | pixelma | no but the background pic explains what buttons you can use |
00:00:44 | alexc | it's just a background then? or is there a switch to make it so you can control using the mouse |
00:00:47 | alexc | ah k, thanks |
00:02:21 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
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00:03:04 | alexc | oooh... thanks, i did a search, dunno why that didn't come up |
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00:05:59 | rasher | I wonder if I should add a wps-test (or whatever the flag is) .bat file to my simulators |
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00:13:11 | Bagder | almost |
00:13:40 | Bagder | you did get -2 points ;-) |
00:13:41 | amiconn | huh? |
00:13:51 | amiconn | Since when is target tree code compiled for sims? |
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00:14:43 | rasher | Possibly since the recent attempt at getting sims closer to target builds |
00:14:46 | rasher | I forget who did it |
00:15:36 | pixelma | wasn't that n1s? |
00:16:02 | Bagder | it was |
00:16:12 | Bagder | 12 Aug 19:49 |
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00:16:51 | amiconn | Yeah, but he didn't change the power stuff |
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00:16:54 | Bagder | but its not obvious to me that it broke this |
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00:17:12 | * | amiconn tests whether that's necessary at all |
00:17:28 | rasher | I'm merely commenting without knowing what n1s did, or even what's wrong |
00:18:15 | leftright | Bagder: seems he bricked his player whilst flashing the modded bootloader, is there any chance that something has changed/corrupted the H140 bootloader process |
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00:18:52 | Bagder | I guess anything is possible... |
00:19:04 | bluebrother | given enough code? ;-) |
00:19:14 | amiconn | Flashing a modded bootloader on H1x0 and H300 is dangerous, hence not recommended without a bdm nearby |
00:20:03 | Bagder | bed time here |
00:20:08 | leftright | yes, but so many of us have done it, and he's the first to my knowledge, perhaps something has been changed |
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00:21:36 | leftright | I haven't heard of a user bricking his H140 due to flashing, besides Slaheri, but he was experimenting |
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00:22:14 | linuxstb | leftright: Are you talking about the current SVN bootloader? |
00:22:51 | leftright | Linuxstb: H140 merged bootloader |
00:22:57 | * | amiconn doesn't dare to flash any bootloader apart from the official ones on H180 and H340 |
00:23:04 | linuxstb | leftright: What's that? |
00:23:24 | * | linuxstb neither |
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00:23:57 | leftright | he was flashing with an official bootloader, this is why i wonder how he bricked his player |
00:24:15 | amiconn | ? |
00:24:25 | leftright | exactly |
00:24:29 | bluebrother | how did he create the hex file? checked md5sums or used fwpatcher? |
00:24:33 | amiconn | A few lines above you said he was flashing a modded bootloader.... |
00:24:43 | amiconn | modded != official afaiu |
00:25:18 | leftright | by modded I meant the official bootloader, sorry, |
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00:25:35 | rasher | Speaking of bootloaders. Any chance rombox on h1xx will get official anytime soon? |
00:27:00 | DMJC | http://pastebin.ca/657542 |
00:27:06 | DMJC | rockbox won't compile |
00:27:15 | DMJC | latest svn checkout |
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00:28:17 | linuxstb | DMJC: Have you tried a "make clean", or even completely deleting your build directory? |
00:28:36 | linuxstb | DMJC: The automated builds seem to be fine... |
00:28:38 | DMJC | k |
00:28:45 | DMJC | make clean I'll try |
00:28:55 | DMJC | nope just died heh |
00:29:24 | bluebrother | if svn doesn't compile you'll notice it by looking at the build table. |
00:29:27 | leftright | well he's going to send his unit back to iriver for reflashing, its just intersting that he managed to brick his player following the instructions |
00:29:37 | bluebrother | but if that table is green something is wrong on your side ;-) |
00:30:25 | linuxstb | leftright: Maybe a hardware fault? |
00:30:32 | amiconn | All green again :) |
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00:31:21 | DMJC | hmm still getting it |
00:31:29 | DMJC | blew away my buld dir |
00:31:30 | bluebrother | re-run configure |
00:31:35 | DMJC | I did |
00:31:46 | leftright | linuxstb: he claims that the unit was working perfectly well before the flashing, and that it now hangs at boot, |
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00:32:28 | DMJC | plugin .c throws a warning |
00:32:35 | DMJC | incompatible pointer |
00:32:47 | bluebrother | leftright: maybe you want to check the hex he flashed against the known md5sums? |
00:32:56 | DMJC | settings.c has same error as the pastebin |
00:32:58 | bluebrother | DMJC: patches applied? |
00:33:01 | Llorean | leftright: And by "official" you mean the prebuilt one in fwpatcher.exe? |
00:33:05 | DMJC | none |
00:33:11 | DMJC | this is fresh without patches |
00:33:17 | bluebrother | any other changes to the source? |
00:33:17 | leftright | Llorean yes |
00:33:26 | leftright | fwiw http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=55416 |
00:33:41 | Llorean | leftright: Is it possible it was either interrupted in the flashing process, or he has an H110 or 115 and doesn't know it? |
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00:34:02 | DMJC | hmm |
00:34:05 | leftright | well he says its a H140 |
00:34:05 | Llorean | leftright: Yes, he's posted on our forums too. |
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00:34:06 | DMJC | I think I whacked it |
00:34:10 | bluebrother | 20 minutes for flashing? |
00:34:12 | Llorean | leftright: Yes, but he bought it used. |
00:34:22 | DMJC | looks like a patch got code left in firmware dir |
00:34:24 | bluebrother | sounds really like a problem while flashing :/ |
00:34:30 | Llorean | leftright: Which means it could be an H110/115 with a 40gb drive and the back salvaged from another player |
00:35:05 | Llorean | leftright: He also says it had run Rockbox before, AND he says specifically and clearly that he interrupted the flash. |
00:35:18 | leftright | after twenty minutes |
00:35:20 | Llorean | Yes |
00:35:26 | Llorean | Which means his OF was the problem. |
00:35:41 | Llorean | If the flash takes that long, there's something wrong, and it's not with the file being flashed. |
00:35:46 | DMJC | it built |
00:35:47 | DMJC | cool |
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00:36:06 | DMJC | I'll remember that thanks, need to clean more dirs |
00:36:53 | DMJC | nice albumart patch applies cleanly |
00:37:00 | leftright | Llorean it is indeed a mystery, hopefully iriver can help him, but the problem is, what if he tries again ? |
00:37:01 | linuxstb | DMJC: I find "svn status" a useful command... |
00:37:06 | DMJC | ah |
00:37:19 | bluebrother | svn revert can also be helpful |
00:37:27 | DMJC | so will albumart patch ever get into trunk? |
00:37:39 | Llorean | leftright: Well, there's nothing we can do about players that either have corrupt iRiver FW or corrupt flash. |
00:37:58 | Llorean | leftright: Until the flash is complete, we can't run any code on the device to check its status. |
00:38:13 | Llorean | DMJC: Just as soon as metadata on buffer is working, and the patch is adapted to it. |
00:38:20 | DMJC | cool |
00:38:23 | rasher | leftright: has he scandisked his harddisk? |
00:38:39 | bluebrother | IOW: it won't get into svn in the current version, but adding AA support is planned. |
00:38:44 | rasher | A corrupt harddisk will do pretty much what he's describing |
00:39:02 | Llorean | rasher: Cause a flash to take >20 minutes, or the later symptoms? |
00:39:08 | Llorean | I guess if it couldn't read the file, maybe. |
00:39:31 | bluebrother | well, as the bootloader itself comes up something has been flashed and is running |
00:39:31 | rasher | Oh right, forgot the 20 minute flash. But I don't see any later symptoms that couldn't be explained by a broken harddisk |
00:39:33 | Llorean | bluebrother: It'll *pretty much* be the current version. |
00:39:45 | rasher | Broken/corrupted. |
00:39:51 | rasher | He really should try formatting the disk |
00:39:52 | Llorean | rasher: Yeah, but he interrupted the flash. I suppose the OF might hang on trying to read a .hex file if the HD is failing to read. |
00:39:54 | bluebrother | and the rockbox bootloader is at the end of the flash |
00:40:05 | Llorean | rasher: He can't boot anything, iiuc. Though I guess there's Rockbox bootloader USB. |
00:40:08 | amiconn | I don't know how iriver does it, but our flash plugin on archos first tries to read the flash file completely and verifies the checksum, and only if that's okay, starts flashing |
00:40:09 | bluebrother | Llorean: s/version/implementation/. Better? ;-) |
00:40:28 | rasher | Llorean: He says he can connect with USB and the disk is "working", so I assume rockbox bootloader USB is working. |
00:40:40 | Llorean | rasher: Ah, then a reformat would be good, yes. |
00:40:51 | amiconn | So the only situation where it would fail would be if the disk goes bad between file verification and end of flashing. Some tens of second... |
00:40:52 | rasher | Llorean: if the OF hung on trying to read the .hex, it *might* not have touched flash yet |
00:41:13 | linuxstb | He said Rockbox was already installed, so maybe the bootloader that's being run is the one from the previous flashing. |
00:41:29 | Llorean | rasher: Of course, then our bootloader wouldn't be loading. Though since he mentioned somewhere that I saw him that Rockbox had been installed by the previous owner, it's possible that it never *was* touched, and that the bootloader was always present or something. |
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00:41:34 | rasher | linuxstb: well, the rockbox installation could also be on a corrupt part of the harddisk |
00:41:38 | Llorean | Yeah, what linuxstb said, in less words. |
00:41:47 | bluebrother | rasher: true, but in that case the RB bootloader wouldn't show up |
00:41:54 | Llorean | bluebrother: Previous installation, keep up. ;) |
00:42:00 | amiconn | (This is because we cannot read the whole flash file into plugin ram. Reading the whole file into ram before flashing would give even more safety) |
00:42:03 | rasher | bluebrother: RB bootloader is in flash |
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00:42:31 | rasher | That robin0800 guy is unnerving. What's he doing? |
00:42:43 | bluebrother | so he was updating the BL or doing a fresh install? I thought it was a fresh install. |
00:43:02 | n1s | rasher: he's apparently testing something, and he does it often :-) |
00:43:15 | rasher | bluebrother: It was a fresh install for him. A previous owner had installed Rockbox. So a BL update, I suppose. |
00:43:21 | leftright | I understand he was updating the BL |
00:43:26 | bluebrother | ah, now I get it. |
00:43:31 | Llorean | bluebrother: Maybe he didn't know he didn't need to reinstall the bootloader. |
00:43:39 | rasher | I really think he should scan the disk |
00:43:57 | linuxstb | rasher: I agree, it's a free option... |
00:44:03 | bluebrother | I agree that scanning the disk would be good. |
00:44:17 | rasher | A broken harddisk could also result if he had it shipped to him |
00:44:30 | bluebrother | the bootloader runs, so the flash can't be corrupted completely |
00:44:47 | leftright | He did say it was working prior to his effort |
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00:45:04 | bluebrother | and flashs usually are organized in pages that you need to delete completely if you want to rewrite. |
00:45:06 | rasher | leftright: the flashing attempt might have further wrecked the harddisk |
00:45:27 | rasher | Especially if the OF was sitting there for 20 minutes, trying to read a corrupt file |
00:46:06 | leftright | ok, I'll advise him to do a scan of his HD, |
00:46:18 | leftright | at mistic |
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00:46:44 | DMJC | if you have a theme with albumart |
00:46:47 | DMJC | and you load it |
00:46:58 | DMJC | what happens if your firmware hasn't got albumart support? |
00:47:05 | scorche | it wont load |
00:47:12 | DMJC | k |
00:47:18 | rasher | Our WPS reader is that smart? Neat. |
00:47:19 | bluebrother | the wps will get identified as corrupt and the default gets loaded |
00:47:23 | scorche | the parser will reject it |
00:47:24 | DMJC | cool |
00:47:25 | DMJC | :) |
00:48:06 | Llorean | rasher: These days the parser rejects "invalid" WPSes, such as those with unclosed conditionals or invalid tags. If run in the simulator you can have it give the reasoning for the rejection, I thing with a command line switch. |
00:48:11 | * | amiconn cannot make sense of this thread |
00:48:25 | scorche | -debugwps i believe |
00:48:50 | Llorean | Was it - or −−? |
00:48:59 | scorche | one way to find out... |
00:49:02 | scorche | likely −− |
00:49:04 | * | amiconn wonders whether the disk is formatted properly |
00:49:22 | linuxstb | Speaking of themes, any news on rockbox-themes.org ? |
00:49:27 | amiconn | It's a known bug of the rockbox H1x0 bootloader that it hangs when there is no partition |
00:49:48 | amiconn | (solvable by resetting and using bootloader usb mode to repartiton + format) |
00:49:57 | scorche | linuxstb: it is being worked on...had a bump where the files all decided to pack up and leave |
00:50:14 | leftright | is it possible that he flashed with the wrong bootloader ? |
00:50:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: But the bootloader appears to successfully load rockbox.iriver |
00:50:27 | Llorean | leftright: It's possible he formatted NTFS |
00:50:37 | scorche | (attributed to the use of dreamweaver crashing by...an unnamed person) =) |
00:50:38 | Llorean | Oh, right, success |
00:50:39 | bluebrother | I suspect the bootloader running if he successfully flashed it |
00:50:40 | rasher | leftright: if he used fwpatcher, it shouldn't be possible, iiuc |
00:50:44 | Llorean | leftright: Nevermind me |
00:50:55 | leftright | :) |
00:51:18 | amiconn | It might be an iriver h110/h115, but then it shouldn't have flashed ihp120.hex afaik |
00:51:50 | Llorean | Right |
00:51:59 | Llorean | Because it was named H120.hex, and the OF should look for H100.hex |
00:52:00 | amiconn | But it's not too difficult to find out |
00:52:36 | rasher | He has a h120 |
00:52:41 | rasher | At least, the bootloader is a h120 |
00:53:15 | amiconn | Yes, but thje mistake could be that he took a h120 firmware, patched it with a h120 bootloader, and then put this on a h100 |
00:53:39 | rasher | I doubt he managed to rename ihp-120.hex to ihp-100.hex without knowing he was doing something wrong |
00:53:51 | amiconn | Build rockbox for h100, then repackage the h100 rockbox.bin with scramble for h120, and put the resulting rockbox.iriver on the player |
00:53:57 | leftright | there is no built in check for that ? |
00:54:18 | amiconn | leftright: How should we know what the OF checks when flashing? |
00:54:38 | amiconn | Someone would have to deliberately try to flash a wrong .hex |
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00:55:05 | rasher | leftright: well the OF loads a specific file, depending on which model it's running on. I think it also validates the .hex in some way, but how much, I don't know |
00:55:47 | Llorean | I seem to recall a menu letting me select the .hex in one version of the OF, but it was a long time ago, and my memory is not trustworthy |
00:55:50 | amiconn | The test I suggested is simple. I'd also check the partitioning and format. It must be a *primary* fat32 partition |
00:56:23 | amiconn | logical drives are still unsupported (but the iriver OF supports them) |
00:56:32 | bluebrother | leftright: might this be the same as http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11729.0 ? |
00:56:53 | rasher | bluebrother: that's what I was thinking |
00:57:00 | rasher | bluebrother: same name, so probably yes :) |
00:57:03 | leftright | so he really needs to establish which player he has, before he tries again, he might, as llorean pointed out, have a Frankensteined model |
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00:57:30 | leftright | yes its the same guy |
00:57:30 | amiconn | leftright: Hence my suggestion... |
00:57:40 | Llorean | In fact I'm almost sure that a frankensteined model can be flashed with the wrong bootloader |
00:57:51 | Llorean | Because I know I ran into one person who did have 16mb of RAM, but 40gb of disk. |
00:58:03 | rasher | Madness |
00:58:57 | * | Llorean resists making a 300 joke. |
00:59:17 | Llorean | Anyway, the disk check should be a given then, as amiconn pointed out. |
00:59:18 | rasher | You better. |
00:59:47 | rasher | a fdisk -l would be nice, as well as scandisk/fsck.vfat/badblockscan |
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01:01:43 | DMJC | what is evilG's fusion build? |
01:02:07 | DMJC | custom patches IMHO but which ones?> |
01:02:23 | Llorean | DMJC: Read the thread. |
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01:03:42 | DMJC | in unsupported forum? |
01:03:47 | Llorean | Yes. |
01:04:49 | DMJC | hmm |
01:06:35 | DMJC | crazy heh |
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01:06:50 | DMJC | pity the build is so outdated :( |
01:07:19 | DMJC | 17th july is most recent |
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01:08:12 | DMJC | are there any patches which rockbox will never apply to trunk? |
01:08:30 | DMJC | or is it more just testing/cleaning up code needs to be done before patches are accepted? |
01:09:24 | rasher | There are quite a few I believe. |
01:10:03 | Llorean | DMJC: If they'll never be applied to trunk, they'll get rejected. |
01:10:10 | DMJC | ok |
01:10:12 | Llorean | So, if you look through the Rejected list, you'll see a good deal of them |
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01:10:28 | rasher | Llorean: well there are some open as well, see recent discussion on -dev |
01:10:30 | Llorean | There are a couple kept around because the features that will replace them aren't done yet. |
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01:10:42 | Llorean | rasher: Scroll Margins, Custom Line, etc? |
01:10:48 | rasher | Llorean: STuff like that, yeah |
01:10:53 | Llorean | I'm honestly for closing those. |
01:11:00 | Llorean | But I'm one of the few with that opinion. |
01:11:18 | Llorean | I'd like to see the effort that goes to maintaining/syncing/upgrading those go instead toward a commit-able equivalent. |
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01:11:30 | tonyyarusso | I recently bought an iPod Nano (2nd generation), and went to the Rockbox site to check it out, only to find out my model was basically the only one NOT supported. Are there plans to support the second generation nanos soon? |
01:11:34 | DWSR | hey all. |
01:11:47 | DWSR | 1G nanos > 2G nanos. :-P |
01:12:03 | Febs | tonyyarusso: we generally don't "plan" to support or not support a particular player. |
01:12:06 | krazykit | tonyyarusso, check the New Ports forum |
01:12:25 | linuxstb | tonyyarusso: Short answer is no - no-one is working on such a port. |
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01:12:34 | DWSR | Can I install Rockbox and iPodLinux on the same partition? |
01:12:43 | tonyyarusso | Okay - maybe I can bribe someone :P |
01:12:51 | avis | will an ipod flashed with rockbox firmware still be manageable through amarok ? |
01:12:55 | Llorean | DWSR: Rockbox requires FAT32, iPL requires ext2/3 or HFS+ I believe. |
01:13:02 | linuxstb | DWSR: Yes, but please ask follow-up questions on #ipodlinux |
01:13:09 | DWSR | Llorean: Can I just run Rockbox off the iPod partition then? |
01:13:25 | linuxstb | Llorean: There's now an install method which installs IPL on a FAT32 partition. |
01:13:36 | linuxstb | (but that's about all I know) |
01:13:51 | krazykit | avis, yes-ish. if you don't care about using the original firmware, you'd set the device as "generic", otherwise as "ipod" |
01:14:14 | DWSR | linuxstb: I'm really just looking to know if there's anything special I need to do with Rockbox. I have the iPod BootLoader installed, so I'm assuming that I can boot from Rockbox if it's on the iPod partition. |
01:14:15 | bluebrother | DWSR: rockbox always runs of the data partition on the ipod |
01:14:17 | avis | thank you krazykit |
01:14:30 | DWSR | bluebrother: Didn't know that. :-) Thanks though. |
01:14:42 | DMJC | rockbox support any drive size in ipod? eg 100gb? |
01:14:54 | bluebrother | the bootloader isn't run from the data partition but you need a bootloader anyway ... |
01:15:11 | bluebrother | the firmware files itself are in a hidden folder on the main partition of the player |
01:15:28 | DMJC | anyway to backup that partition? |
01:15:29 | bluebrother | DMJC: I don't think 100GB players are available, but yes. |
01:15:29 | DMJC | dd/ |
01:15:31 | DMJC | dd? |
01:15:37 | DMJC | 100gb drives are.. |
01:15:45 | bluebrother | you can use dd ... |
01:15:53 | DMJC | cool |
01:15:54 | bluebrother | DMJC: but not as Ipods ;-) |
01:15:59 | DWSR | bluebrother: You can. If you do a hardware hack you can pretty much make your iPod any size. |
01:16:00 | DMJC | yeah :) |
01:16:18 | bluebrother | DWSR: I know that you can mod your player. But you can't buy it. |
01:16:23 | DWSR | Stick some extra flash memory in it and away you go. Some guy had a 20g nano. :-P |
01:16:24 | DMJC | I'll wait for a 160gb 1.8 before upgrading hehehe |
01:16:34 | bluebrother | some people have mounted 160GB disks to their archos ... |
01:16:43 | DMJC | nice |
01:17:01 | bluebrother | IIRC you need a modified build for >137GB |
01:17:06 | Llorean | bluebrother: Some people have mounted 250s |
01:17:09 | Llorean | I think |
01:17:27 | amiconn | Llorean: Surely not in the original case |
01:17:35 | linuxstb | I thought 160GB is the largest 2.5" PATA available? |
01:17:41 | DMJC | fat32 is so limited |
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01:17:45 | Llorean | amiconn: I'm almost certain there was something on the list about it. |
01:17:46 | DWSR | no linuxstb |
01:17:47 | amiconn | There are 250GB 2.5" disks, bu tonly SATA |
01:17:58 | DWSR | afaik there are larger. |
01:17:58 | amiconn | DMJC: Eh? |
01:18:00 | DMJC | what's the max partition size for fat32? |
01:18:01 | Llorean | Maybe it was someone intending to mount 250, rather than having succeeded. |
01:18:13 | linuxstb | DMJC: Many TB IIUC. |
01:18:22 | DMJC | files are limited to 4gb which is crap |
01:18:22 | DWSR | DMJC: Can't remember. Wiki it? |
01:18:38 | DWSR | Why would you need anything larger than a 4GB file on an iPod? |
01:18:47 | DWSR | What'd you do, rip your entire music library to 1 file? :-P |
01:18:52 | DMJC | no man |
01:18:54 | bluebrother | just for the sake of doing so? |
01:18:55 | DMJC | portable hdd |
01:18:59 | DMJC | for dvd isos etc |
01:19:09 | DMJC | moving large content/vmware images |
01:19:27 | bluebrother | vmware can split up its images automatically ... |
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01:19:48 | linuxstb | And why do you need to store DVD .isos, rather than the files? |
01:19:48 | krazykit | or you can just split the image and catecanate it later |
01:20:06 | DMJC | 2-8tb limit to fat32 |
01:20:14 | amiconn | DMJC: (1) there are file split tools. Many archivers can also do that. (2) If you really need to, nobody stops you from having another partition |
01:20:22 | DMJC | heh |
01:20:47 | bluebrother | how about (3) if you need a portable disc, buy a portable disc and use any filesystem you like? ;-) |
01:20:51 | DMJC | it's not so much a whinge at rockbox more the entire industry in general :) |
01:20:57 | amiconn | And maximum partition size for fat32 is 128TB iirc |
01:21:10 | DMJC | they do need a better format for cross platform portable disc |
01:21:13 | DMJC | *discs |
01:21:19 | bluebrother | forget it. |
01:21:40 | bluebrother | not enough interest. Especially not on the MS side. |
01:21:48 | amiconn | FAT32 is a very nice format for cross platform compatibility. All major OSes support it, and it's relatively simple |
01:21:58 | bluebrother | indeed. |
01:22:52 | bluebrother | it has a few flaws, but it's sufficient for nearly all cases. |
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01:23:08 | DWSR | how do I get iPodLoader2 to find Rockbox? |
01:23:09 | rasher | Bagder: any chance I could get renamed to rasher on flyspray. Being stuck with bacon_boy is annoying. |
01:23:23 | krazykit | DWSR, why use ipodloader2? the rockbox bootloader will boot both. |
01:23:31 | DWSR | iPodLoader boots both as well. |
01:23:40 | linuxstb | DWSR: It will find it automatically (assuming you're using the very latest version). |
01:23:49 | amiconn | NTFS: windows only (well, linux now also sorta supports it). And microsoft discourages its use on exchangeable media |
01:23:50 | bluebrother | DWSR: ask the people at IPL and / or read the thread about loader2 in the unsupported builds forums |
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01:24:06 | linuxstb | What about UDF? |
01:24:19 | amiconn | EXT2/3 etc: Linux only (maybe OSX can support it but I don't know) |
01:24:23 | avis | is it safe to say that rockbox wont play wma ? |
01:24:42 | rasher | amiconn: there's a Windows driver for ext2 as well, in fact. I forget its name now.. |
01:24:47 | amiconn | avis: It is safe to say that rockbox *does* play wma |
01:25:04 | amiconn | (well, except on archos of course) |
01:25:04 | DMJC | ooh wma. |
01:25:06 | krazykit | rasher, i think it's on fs-driver.org or com or something |
01:25:09 | bluebrother | rasher, amiconn: there are even more than one ext2 driver for windows. |
01:25:20 | DMJC | reiserfs has a windows driver :) |
01:25:23 | rasher | krazykit: that's the one I was thinking of. .org, it is. |
01:25:27 | amiconn | All I heard about them is that they're buggy |
01:25:31 | bluebrother | ext2fsd was one of them. |
01:25:39 | DMJC | rfsd.sf.net |
01:25:43 | pixelma | Llorean: reading your post, I'm tempted to search and paste an ABBA logo in the logo thread ;) |
01:25:45 | DMJC | it's buggy tho |
01:25:52 | bluebrother | works fine, but doesn't support setting the codepage for the filename encoding |
01:25:55 | DMJC | guy stopped coding it when it was nearly finished |
01:26:06 | linuxstb | avis: You may want to keep an eye on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
01:26:10 | bluebrother | reiserfs is ... urgh. |
01:26:16 | DMJC | hehehe |
01:26:41 | DMJC | just saying it exists I didn't claim it was good |
01:26:42 | DMJC | hehehe |
01:26:43 | rasher | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6202.msg91650#msg91650 this is actually surprisingly nice, even if it is terribly simple. I still like the "cube R/note" logo better though. |
01:27:10 | amiconn | Looks cyrillic |
01:27:31 | tumu | murderfs |
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01:27:39 | * | amiconn prefers the current rockbox logo, even if some poeple say it's not a "true" logo |
01:27:48 | bluebrother | the mockup greyscales won't work with the real hardware ... |
01:27:51 | rasher | Maybe we can find a codepoint in unicode that looks enough like an RB that we can just use that |
01:29:29 | pixelma | the first thing that came to my mind when reading Llorean's reply was "ABBA" |
01:31:11 | amiconn | "yav" |
01:31:56 | avis | DWSR, you mentioned that ipods could be upgraded in size with flash memory. do you happen to know if people sell them upgraded with larger storage ? |
01:32:20 | DWSR | avis: Nope. I'm sure that eBay has that kind of thing though. |
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01:40:35 | Febs | pixelma: http://www.amazon.com/ABBA-Gold-Greatest-Hits/dp/B000001DZO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5641277-2166552?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1187134777&sr=8-1 |
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01:40:59 | Febs | Even the colors are similar. |
01:41:22 | pixelma | hehe, exactly :) |
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01:44:24 | rasher | Oh dear. I retract any alleged praise for this logo. |
01:44:58 | DMJC | lol |
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01:47:17 | pixelma | when I first saw it, I thougt "it's not bad" but the longer I keep staring on it the more it gets "blurry" somehow. I start seeing lots of things in it not only the 2 letters it should symbolise... |
01:49:46 | krazykit | plus the backwards R has been done... korn :-( |
01:50:05 | rasher | I still think this one http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6202.msg52983#msg52983 is the best (and yes, better than the current "logo") |
01:50:56 | rasher | It wins on many levels. It's a box. It's a note. It's an R (with some imagination). It's square, so it works well as an icon. |
01:51:04 | pixelma | and as amiconn said the backwards "R" looks like the cyrillic letter (sound of "ya") |
01:51:11 | saratoga | i like that current logo better, but that one is kind of cool |
01:51:23 | krazykit | i actually saw the R before i saw the note |
01:51:47 | rasher | Plus it works well in monochrome |
01:51:51 | * | bluebrother hasn't seen a logo proposal he liked better than the current one |
01:52:06 | rasher | And at fairly small sizes |
01:52:08 | pixelma | rasher: did you try a monochrome version of that? |
01:52:28 | rasher | pixelma: actually, no. But at least in print. Perhaps not on low-res displays. |
01:52:44 | pixelma | I could *imagine* that it would be possible but never tried |
01:53:29 | pixelma | and then I don't know how nice the result would be |
01:53:29 | rasher | I'm quite certain it'll work in high-res monochrome (print). Of course you'll lose the detail of the one side being different |
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02:03:32 | lespea | hello |
02:03:43 | rasher | "[attachment deleted by admin, too old]" I see this in the Forums. What does it mean? |
02:04:45 | pixelma | there was an attachment before which was deleted by an admin because he thought it was too old? |
02:04:59 | lespea | would make sense to me |
02:05:11 | rasher | But what does "too old" mean? |
02:05:42 | rasher | I didn't know attachments had expiration dates |
02:06:11 | pixelma | maybe that's something an admin can decide? |
02:06:14 | lespea | if they have limited space they could just be running a script to remove old files to make room for new ones |
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02:07:06 | lespea | so if you guys had to get a large (hd) mp3 player... what would it be |
02:07:30 | DWSR | my computer. |
02:07:54 | rasher | I'd get a 60gb ipod video. Unless I wanted to do recording. The form factor does it for me, and the downsides (lower battery life) don't concern me much. |
02:07:55 | DWSR | With 2TB of storage and studio quality sound card and speakers. |
02:08:06 | bluebrother | Iaudio M5 |
02:08:57 | bluebrother | or perhaps an upgraded h140 |
02:09:03 | DWSR | So does Rockbox automagically find the files that I put on my iPod with iTunes? |
02:09:08 | pixelma | bluebrother: the M5 is available with a maximum of an 40GB drive only - haven't even seen one yet |
02:09:13 | rasher | DWSR: if you use the Database, yes. |
02:09:18 | DWSR | ok. |
02:09:28 | bluebrother | oh −− thought it's available as 60GB |
02:09:29 | rasher | DWSR: and set it to auto-update. |
02:09:30 | lespea | i dislike ipods (had one) |
02:09:36 | lespea | and 40 gb is too small :/ |
02:09:50 | lespea | what do you mean "upgraded" h140? |
02:09:55 | pixelma | bluebrother: the X5s are |
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02:10:53 | pixelma | lespea: did you see the BuyersGuide in the wiki? |
02:10:57 | bluebrother | lespea: upgrade the harddisk to something bigger |
02:11:05 | lespea | bluebrother, thanks |
02:11:24 | lespea | pixelma, no... i didn't look to be honest |
02:11:31 | lespea | much rather just talk to ppl :/ |
02:11:39 | bluebrother | but those players aren't in production anymore :( |
02:11:44 | lespea | :( |
02:13:13 | lespea | huh the x5 does look pretty cool |
02:13:13 | bluebrother | yay! seems theme installation is almost coomplete |
02:13:19 | lespea | how's the video playback, anybody know? |
02:13:29 | DWSR | Rockbox ftw. |
02:13:46 | bluebrother | lespea: see the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
02:14:02 | bluebrother | it basically works, but not too good. |
02:14:06 | lespea | bluebrother, said it's a hack |
02:14:07 | lespea | yeah |
02:14:10 | bluebrother | depending on player and what you expect ;-) |
02:14:17 | lespea | fair enough |
02:14:25 | lespea | that's not really the highest priority |
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02:14:41 | lespea | is the stock firmware basically crap? |
02:14:54 | bluebrother | depends on the player ;-) |
02:15:15 | bluebrother | on h100 series it wasn't too bad. But I started disliking it the moment I started using ogg files |
02:15:21 | bluebrother | and rockbox is wayyy better :) |
02:15:45 | DWSR | Does Rockbox support WMA, OGG, FLAC, and WAV files without any special work? |
02:15:53 | krazykit | yup |
02:16:16 | lespea | hehe |
02:16:17 | rasher | wma support is still a bit rough around the edges though, I believe |
02:16:20 | bluebrother | wma is in an early stage |
02:16:27 | bluebrother | no seeking yet. |
02:16:29 | lespea | i'm 100% mp3 here |
02:16:44 | lespea | i know ogg is better but i went w/mp3 for the compatability purposes |
02:17:03 | DWSR | I'm partly FLAC because I produce music |
02:17:07 | bluebrother | I started converting like 2 years ago. Never want to go back. |
02:17:38 | krazykit | i'm just too lazy to reencode from flac. |
02:17:42 | lespea | bluebrother, all my mp3's are 192 variable w/lame (except downloaded of course) |
02:17:55 | DWSR | If I have iTunes set to Display Album Artwork, will Rockbox as well? |
02:18:14 | rasher | All my music is ogg when I have the choice (mainly on principle - my ears can't tell the difference anyway). I don't particularly have any issues with compatability. |
02:18:18 | bluebrother | there are other things I dislike about mp3 ... id3v1 vs. v2 f.e. |
02:18:20 | krazykit | DWSR, nope. |
02:18:22 | lespea | krazykit, no real point in re-encoding to flac... the "damage" has already been done |
02:18:28 | krazykit | lespea, FROM flac. |
02:18:36 | lespea | oh... lol sorry |
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02:18:39 | lespea | my bad |
02:18:43 | krazykit | the majority of my music is in flac right now. probably 70% |
02:18:54 | JavaMan22 | why does so many themes i download not work |
02:19:14 | rasher | JavaMan22: Maybe they require unofficial builds. Or maybe you haven't installed the fonts pack. Possibly both. |
02:19:25 | JavaMan22 | o |
02:19:25 | krazykit | JavaMan22, various reasons, ranging from being old to unofficial builds. |
02:19:32 | lespea | must have bugs in your player... i suggest shaking until they're all gone |
02:19:48 | JavaMan22 | wats a good theme that is up to date |
02:19:52 | JavaMan22 | :p |
02:20:03 | krazykit | JavaMan22, so we're supposed to magically guess what player you have? |
02:20:05 | rasher | lespea: while I laughed, it's probably not appropriate to give such advice in a support channel. You never know who's reading |
02:20:13 | JavaMan22 | 5.5g :o |
02:20:17 | bluebrother | hmm, aren't we getting quite off topic atm? Maybe move this to #rockbox-community? |
02:20:30 | bluebrother | OTOH it's quite late here. I should go for some sleep :) |
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02:20:40 | krazykit | rasher, more like, you never know who's gonna follow silly instructions |
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02:20:53 | JavaMan22 | wups |
02:21:02 | lespea | oh my bad :o |
02:21:03 | JavaMan22 | so any suggestions? |
02:21:27 | krazykit | anything on the official rockbox site that you think looks good. |
02:21:42 | JavaMan22 | but i just said most of them dont work |
02:21:52 | lespea | wow, the cheapest x5 on a Very quick froogle was >400! |
02:22:34 | rasher | JavaMan22: you should look for one that claims to work with an official rockbox build. In other words, one that doesn't require any patches or special builds. |
02:22:44 | rasher | JavaMan22: you should also install the fonts pack, if you haven't yet. |
02:23:01 | JavaMan22 | the font packs that come with the themes? |
02:23:06 | JavaMan22 | or the one in the daily build |
02:23:10 | JavaMan22 | that has all fonts |
02:23:14 | rasher | JavaMan22: no, the one on the daily build page |
02:23:15 | bluebrother | the daily fonts. |
02:23:22 | JavaMan22 | hmm |
02:23:26 | JavaMan22 | if i do svn up |
02:23:28 | lespea | oh nvm you can get it on their site for 300 |
02:23:30 | lespea | still $$$ |
02:23:32 | JavaMan22 | does it download the newest fonts? |
02:23:48 | bluebrother | if you checked out the fonts module, yes. |
02:23:55 | JavaMan22 | hmm |
02:24:00 | JavaMan22 | also antoher thing |
02:24:01 | rasher | You still need to put them on your player, of course |
02:24:04 | JavaMan22 | its not because of font |
02:24:10 | JavaMan22 | the spacing is wrong on themes like |
02:24:11 | JavaMan22 | : |
02:24:18 | JavaMan22 | Clix |
02:24:21 | JavaMan22 | jClix |
02:24:30 | rasher | JavaMan22: where did you download them? |
02:24:36 | JavaMan22 | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/Top30_Charts/2007/08_August.html |
02:24:53 | bluebrother | you also need to convert the fonts −− svn has the fonts in bdf format while rockbox requires its own fnt format |
02:25:05 | bluebrother | I bet the easiest way is to just use the zip |
02:25:12 | JavaMan22 | ok ill downlaod |
02:25:34 | lespea | do you guys recommend dual-booting? |
02:25:35 | pixelma | I think those 2 require some patches |
02:25:44 | lespea | or is it more hastle than it's worth? |
02:25:51 | rasher | Ugh, the top-30 doesn't have a link to the details |
02:25:57 | JavaMan22 | also how come my dictionary wont work |
02:26:00 | JavaMan22 | my dict plugin |
02:26:09 | JavaMan22 | i got the 2 files and places them in .rockbox |
02:26:23 | JavaMan22 | *placed |
02:26:33 | bluebrother | jClix requires patches. |
02:26:51 | JavaMan22 | o |
02:27:02 | pixelma | lespea: on X5 it's a bit of a hassle because you need an unsupported bootloader (at the moment) - imo it's only worth it if you really need usb otg |
02:27:20 | lespea | pixelma, ah |
02:27:21 | JavaMan22 | i hope Breeze doesnt... |
02:27:33 | JavaMan22 | because that looks very nice :o |
02:28:09 | rasher | JavaMan22: you'd be better off browsing this list: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 and checking under each theme if it requires non-official features |
02:28:18 | JavaMan22 | o yeh how come many themes include album pictures |
02:28:24 | JavaMan22 | but ive never come across one |
02:28:25 | JavaMan22 | that works |
02:28:41 | bluebrother | album art isn't an official feature |
02:28:41 | rasher | JavaMan22: Because album art isn't supported by Rockbox. |
02:28:46 | bluebrother | at least not yet. |
02:29:01 | rasher | JavaMan22: look in that page I linked you to for a WPS that has "Any Recent Daily Build" as Min Version |
02:29:25 | rasher | JavaMan22: Those are almost certain to work, unless they're very old |
02:29:27 | JavaMan22 | k |
02:30:57 | JavaMan22 | thanks ill try some out |
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02:34:44 | bluebrother | ok, themes installer needs to get its last polishing tomorrow. Nite guys. |
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02:35:26 | rasher | I like bloodstained or dockpod remix. Or the phkTAPE for gimmick-value |
02:35:55 | lespea | wow the video ipod themes beat the crap out of the x5 ones :o |
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02:36:27 | lespea | as do the toshiba ones |
02:37:05 | krazykit | the gigabeat ones are pretty ok. can't say i've found a sansa theme i really like though. |
02:37:25 | krazykit | if i could just find some decent icons, i'd just make my own. |
02:37:28 | rasher | The gigabeat is positively huge |
02:37:47 | krazykit | as it is, i don't have the inkscape skill to make icons that don't suck the big one. |
02:39:10 | lespea | how is the gigabeat as a player? |
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02:40:22 | lespea | and out of curiosity, why is it that a "hack" is needed for album art... why isn't it incorporated into the main release? |
02:40:47 | rasher | lespea: the way the patch is implemented isn't terribly clean |
02:41:27 | rasher | lespea: In short terms, it's code we don't want. And Rockbox needs some architecture changes before a "proper" version of album art can be included. |
02:41:28 | lespea | ah |
02:41:36 | rasher | Those are underway though, so all is not lost. |
02:41:43 | lespea | makes perfect sense actually, thank you :) |
02:42:02 | lespea | is there a general eta for those changes? |
02:42:15 | lespea | like months, years, ? |
02:42:34 | krazykit | whenever someone gets around to implementing it, really. |
02:42:56 | rasher | I don't really know how work is progressing, but I'm tempted to guess "months" |
02:43:10 | krazykit | is that part of the SoC project? |
02:43:37 | lespea | holy cow... i found a 60gb gigabeat for 214 |
02:43:39 | lespea | $ |
02:43:50 | lespea | that's one helluva deal |
02:44:01 | krazykit | i suppose. |
02:44:04 | lespea | :o |
02:44:07 | krazykit | you can find the 40s for right around 100 |
02:44:19 | krazykit | maybe 20 more or so. |
02:44:19 | lespea | wow that's a big difference |
02:44:30 | rasher | krazykit: I believe MetadataOnBuffer (the needed architecture change) is a SoC project. Album-art itself isn't. |
02:44:34 | lespea | i could probably live w/40 |
02:44:48 | krazykit | i thought i could |
02:44:53 | lespea | haha |
02:45:04 | krazykit | but i only have one gig of free space |
02:45:25 | lespea | yeah my music's at 42 gigs right now so i'd have to not have All my stuff |
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02:46:31 | krazykit | i'm right around 38 or 39, then. i'm considering moving to vorbis, so i have the benefit of lower bitrates but higher quality |
02:46:59 | lespea | ah |
02:47:38 | lespea | how're the controls on it?... wait do you even have a gigabeat? lol |
02:48:39 | krazykit | yeah, i have a gigabeat |
02:48:46 | krazykit | the cross takes some getting used to |
02:48:51 | lespea | like it or would you stear me clear? |
02:48:55 | lespea | oh? |
02:48:56 | krazykit | oh, i like it |
02:49:09 | krazykit | it's a touch-thing, but rockbox uses it as buttons |
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02:49:16 | krazykit | once you get used to it, it's not even a problem at all |
02:49:24 | lespea | oh okay good... that's what i'd want it as anyways |
02:49:29 | lespea | do you dual-boot it or is there no point? |
02:49:34 | krazykit | there's no dual-booting |
02:49:46 | krazykit | but the original firmware was a piece of shit |
02:49:51 | lespea | scratch-that ;) |
02:49:53 | lespea | ah |
02:49:54 | krazykit | encrypting my mp3s? pff. |
02:49:59 | lespea | lol wtf! |
02:50:04 | lespea | no wonder it's so cheap! |
02:50:31 | krazykit | i actually bought it for rockbox, so i turned it on briefly with the OF. i've spent less than 5 minutes in the OF ;-) |
02:50:51 | lespea | LOL |
02:50:53 | lespea | that's hilarious |
02:51:56 | krazykit | rockbox is so much better than the original firmware. it's like the difference between... |
02:52:14 | krazykit | being kicked in the stomach and enjoying a slice of pizza, perhaps. |
02:52:27 | lespea | haha |
02:52:45 | lespea | is it bulky or slim; big or small |
02:52:59 | hcs | well, to not exaggerate, maybe between watching someone else eat pizza and eating it yourself |
02:53:01 | lespea | also, sorry in advance if i ask too many ?s... just tell me to stop if i do :p |
02:53:10 | krazykit | eh, slim enough, i guess |
02:53:23 | krazykit | it's a few mm less wide than the ipod, but a few mm thicker |
02:53:51 | krazykit | can't say i've put them side-by-side, though. |
02:54:03 | lespea | that's fair... i only want a general size-up anyways |
02:54:10 | lespea | the screen looks fab-u-lous |
02:54:33 | krazykit | i came from a black & white player, so it was a big upgrade. it's pretty damn nice. |
02:54:50 | krazykit | i mean, it's the same as the ipod video, just rotated 90 degrees |
02:55:36 | lespea | w/rockbox can you rotate the screen... does that make sense? |
02:56:01 | krazykit | mpegplayer automatically rotates, and there's a patch to rotate, but it requires a reboot and a custom bootloader |
02:56:20 | krazykit | for switching. you could easily use the sideways mode all the time. |
02:57:59 | lespea | hmm don't think i care that much ;) |
02:58:06 | lespea | mpegplayer look descent? |
02:58:24 | lespea | err.... not that it matters since it wont have room for any movies :p |
02:58:40 | krazykit | gigabeat plays stuff at full resolution at full fps. it's got a pretty beefy processor. |
02:59:08 | rasher | gigabeat is extremely powerful, compared to an ipod video |
02:59:10 | lespea | shit cool |
02:59:14 | lespea | tv out works? |
02:59:21 | krazykit | no |
02:59:26 | lespea | poo |
02:59:32 | krazykit | i didn't even know it supported tv-out |
02:59:45 | krazykit | ...but don't you have a damn dvd player for that anyway :P |
02:59:50 | lespea | i just assumed :/ |
02:59:53 | lespea | my bad! |
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03:00:11 | lespea | avi movies on the fly... would be very nice |
03:00:53 | krazykit | it only supports mpeg2 video, though, so you'd be converting video anyway |
03:01:25 | lespea | yuck ! |
03:01:39 | lespea | then i def. wont be using that |
03:01:41 | krazykit | meh, it's a music player. i don't understand wanting video on it anyway. |
03:01:42 | lespea | for sure no room |
03:01:45 | rasher | In almost all cases, you'd be converting anyway. I don't see why mpeg2 is so unappealing |
03:01:49 | lespea | i'd only want it for video out |
03:02:31 | lespea | you know of a product that's basically a hard drive w/video out (no screen or anything) that could just be used to scurry around xvid's and stuff |
03:02:41 | lespea | cuz i would so buy that |
03:02:46 | krazykit | most PMP devices, probably |
03:03:05 | krazykit | dapreview has a big list of them somewhere |
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03:05:37 | lespea | they're so small though and have crap for outputs... like i'd want 500+ harddrvie |
03:05:59 | krazykit | be back in 20. |
03:06:15 | lespea | k |
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03:23:56 | krazykit | righto. |
03:26:30 | lespea | so i'm bidding on a gigabeat 60Gb... right now only at 140 |
03:26:56 | lespea | figured it'd be worth the extra $ for more room |
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03:27:46 | krazykit | yeah, but you COULD just get 2 40's ;-) |
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03:40:38 | Angelofwar | Hi guys |
03:40:46 | Angelofwar | I have a question |
03:41:01 | IA4004 | what happens? |
03:41:04 | Angelofwar | I want to update my ipod video to latest vesion of rockbox |
03:41:17 | Angelofwar | but i want to preserve all settings and games and stuff |
03:41:23 | IA4004 | erm |
03:41:32 | IA4004 | download rockbox utility |
03:41:42 | krazykit | simple enough. just unzip the build into the root of the ipod |
03:42:08 | Angelofwar | yeah but will that overwrite previous scores on games, backgrounds, fonts...etc |
03:42:23 | krazykit | though plugins have recently been put into directories, so you may have to move the configs and high scores to the correct locations |
03:42:31 | krazykit | it won't touch your WPS settings or anything, though |
03:42:34 | Angelofwar | I see |
03:43:08 | Angelofwar | I'm a little paranoid to touch it because i'm multibooting apple os, rockbox, and ipodlinux through ipodlinux's bootloader |
03:43:25 | IA4004 | dont get scared about that |
03:43:43 | Angelofwar | Yeah i didn't think it would effect linux or anything |
03:43:52 | Angelofwar | it's just there is nothing wrong with my ipod right now |
03:43:55 | Angelofwar | and everything is great |
03:43:59 | Angelofwar | but i need to update |
03:44:08 | IA4004 | so go ahead and update it |
03:44:15 | Angelofwar | but then again what is new? |
03:44:20 | krazykit | since when? |
03:44:24 | Angelofwar | 1 sec |
03:44:27 | krazykit | lots of bug fixes, to be sure |
03:45:22 | Angelofwar | Version r12551-070302 |
03:45:49 | krazykit | march, damn. |
03:46:03 | Angelofwar | ha is it that old? |
03:46:05 | krazykit | wma support, among other things |
03:46:12 | krazykit | well, seeing as it's the middle of august, yes, that's old |
03:46:21 | Angelofwar | is there some sort of changelog i could look at |
03:46:36 | krazykit | there's a MajorChanges page |
03:47:17 | Angelofwar | yeah |
03:47:28 | krazykit | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
03:47:29 | krazykit | that one |
03:48:58 | Angelofwar | i see |
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03:49:54 | Angelofwar | well really the only thing I want to save is the high score for 1 game and the backgrounds/font sizes |
03:50:04 | Angelofwar | so i will just copy/paste to root and hope for the best! |
03:50:35 | Angelofwar | I wonder if they have fixed the battery bug |
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03:50:52 | krazykit | what bug, the one where the runtime is much worse? |
03:51:09 | Llorean | If you're referring to the runtime, I wouldn't call it a "bug" so much as simply Rockbox being incomplete on iPods so far. |
03:51:14 | Angelofwar | It is like whenever I shut down rockbox using the play button |
03:51:18 | Llorean | We don't have the information necessary yet. |
03:51:23 | Angelofwar | the next time it turns on it's almost out of batterys |
03:51:37 | Angelofwar | wierd |
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04:25:48 | DMJC | how much code has changed in a month? |
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04:28:21 | IA4004 | a lot of code |
04:28:39 | IA4004 | I dont know but a lot of it has changed |
04:28:55 | scorche | DMJC: click the "last 4 weeks" link and find out... |
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04:42:10 | DMJC | ok |
04:42:23 | DMJC | heh I'm getting better at making this stuff patch |
04:46:40 | DMJC | sweet |
04:46:44 | DMJC | I got albumart working |
04:46:55 | scorche | you really dont need to give us updates... |
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04:56:48 | DMJC | is there a howto guide to making new fonts? |
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05:00:29 | scorche | search the wiki and find out...i would have to do the same to answer that question |
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05:04:53 | DMJC | k |
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06:12:14 | ze | ~0\ |
06:12:26 | DMJC | if I want text to be left justified and positioned via x/y is that possible? |
06:12:32 | ze | woops |
06:12:44 | DMJC | can that be defined in the wps? |
06:12:59 | Llorean | DMJC: "Left justified" and "Positioned via x/y" is to an extent mutually exclusive... |
06:13:05 | Llorean | Usually X defines the leftmost edge of the text. |
06:13:23 | Llorean | But in the case of the WPS, Y is controlled simply by which line you put it on, and you have L/C/R justification |
06:13:29 | DMJC | ok basically i want something | | text sits here |
06:13:47 | DMJC | so I need a big gap between the text and the left edge of the screen |
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06:41:10 | korndub | hello i just installed rockbox on my 30g 5.5 ipod and i have a question,. i have looked in the manual but cant seem to find how to modify button mapping... could someone please help? |
06:41:43 | Llorean | It requires compiling |
06:42:13 | korndub | im sorry to be a pest, where can i find instructions on how to do this? |
06:42:24 | Llorean | There's a SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
06:42:56 | korndub | thank you |
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07:24:26 | scorche | sarixe: did you need something? |
07:24:32 | sarixe | nope |
07:24:45 | sarixe | just look at IA4004/mexicankiller though |
07:25:08 | sarixe | can't make up his mind, lol |
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08:21:44 | ddalton | does anyone know anything about p6323? |
08:25:36 | IA4004 | what is that? |
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08:45:47 | markun | IA4004: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6323 |
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08:55:31 | GodEater | I have one whole kudos! |
08:55:41 | * | GodEater would like to thank petur for his kind contribution |
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08:56:20 | scorche | i am... Ranked 54679 of 54754...ouch |
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08:56:43 | * | GodEater goes search for scorche to kudos him up a bit |
08:56:51 | scorche | nooooo =P |
08:56:59 | GodEater | I like how you can give kudos to people even if they're not on ohloh |
08:57:06 | GodEater | linuxstb is doing really well ! |
08:57:31 | scorche | do we have an unlimited amount of kudos? |
08:58:11 | GodEater | I've not run out of it to give away yet |
08:58:18 | B4gder | it is unlimited |
08:58:23 | Llorean | You can't run out, but they're worth less the more you give, it says |
08:58:27 | IA4004 | what is kudos? |
08:58:59 | scorche | off i go to load people up then... |
08:59:00 | B4gder | IA4004: see ohloh.net |
08:59:11 | * | linuxstb_ wonders what this ohloh thing is all about... |
08:59:21 | GodEater | it's how Bagder is planning on paying you |
08:59:29 | GodEater | the less kudos you have, the less money he sends you |
08:59:32 | GodEater | :) |
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08:59:42 | B4gder | darn, when did that leak? |
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09:00:09 | * | jhMikeS probably owes money then :P (g'morning) |
09:00:13 | * | Llorean wonders if there's a way to decline Kudos... |
09:00:23 | scorche | B4gder: you are very sparkly =) |
09:00:33 | GodEater | is 10 as high as you can get ranked ? |
09:00:37 | B4gder | yes |
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09:01:37 | GodEater | I'm amazed, I jumped from one to seven with only one vote |
09:01:59 | B4gder | their algo is a bit weird |
09:02:10 | scorche | no such luck for me... |
09:02:15 | jhMikeS | vote? |
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09:02:24 | GodEater | jhMikeS: I mean kudos |
09:02:43 | GodEater | scorche: I suspect it's because I got mine from petur, who is already like rank 9 or something, and you only got one from me :( |
09:02:52 | scorche | i see... |
09:03:03 | * | Llorean is rank 8 for no apparent reason |
09:03:06 | GodEater | but as bagder says, their algo is a bit odd |
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09:03:24 | B4gder | it's far from obvious how various people end up |
09:03:43 | scorche | does developer contributions come into effect as well? |
09:03:47 | B4gder | yes |
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09:04:51 | scorche | no surprise you are a 10 then =) |
09:05:27 | B4gder | I also think that you get more for contributing to widely used projects (ie part of many stacks) |
09:05:40 | IA4004 | someone would suggest me something to do at 2am? |
09:05:45 | IA4004 | hahaha xD |
09:05:51 | B4gder | IA4004: fix a few bugs |
09:05:55 | IA4004 | erm |
09:06:03 | IA4004 | I dont know how to program |
09:06:08 | scorche | IA4004: use rockbox?...as we said before, this isnt a social channel |
09:06:13 | B4gder | then learn how to program! |
09:06:31 | IA4004 | I'm on the hardware side not on the software |
09:07:03 | scorche | then make us an open hardware DAP |
09:07:09 | IA4004 | hahaha |
09:07:14 | IA4004 | erm |
09:07:24 | IA4004 | too much time for that |
09:07:31 | IA4004 | I know just a bit |
09:07:36 | GodEater | Llorean: where do you put the ohloh widget code to get it to show up in your forum sig ? |
09:07:40 | IA4004 | not much,just the basics |
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09:07:45 | scorche | so neither hardware, nor software just yet? =P |
09:08:03 | IA4004 | I prefer hardware |
09:08:04 | Llorean | GodEater: In the forum sig section of your forum profile? It eats up a large portion of the maximum number of characters. |
09:08:39 | GodEater | I tried that, but it just rendered it as text |
09:08:43 | IA4004 | but the computer eats up most of my time |
09:08:49 | * | scorche would rather not put one of those up with a 0 commit, rank 1 under his signatire =P |
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09:09:31 | scorche | GodEater: turn html on in your profile? |
09:09:42 | GodEater | ah - didn't spot that option |
09:09:49 | GodEater | I'll try that when the forums wake up again |
09:10:20 | jhMikeS | the Contributors section at ohloh.net is just weird to look at. I |
09:10:47 | jhMikeS | 've got one of the shortest records and one of the highest lines modified |
09:11:15 | B4gder | I like those different stats |
09:11:38 | IA4004 | damn the TWiki preferences are too complex to understand them |
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09:13:09 | * | GodEater can't find the html option |
09:13:28 | Llorean | GodEater: There's a Bulletin Board Code widget that you use, it's not the HTML one |
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09:14:01 | GodEater | ah |
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09:14:33 | GodEater | I must be going blind |
09:16:32 | B4gder | GodEater: then you're using just the right dap firmware! |
09:16:40 | GodEater | hahaha |
09:16:43 | GodEater | v. true |
09:16:50 | B4gder | :-) |
09:16:57 | * | GodEater attempts to also insert his gravatar into the forums |
09:17:13 | GodEater | and predictably, it fails |
09:17:46 | mexicankiller | erm |
09:18:07 | mexicankiller | I think that I have nothing to do at 2 am xD |
09:18:28 | scorche | stop changing your nick so much please... |
09:18:33 | mexicankiller | ok |
09:18:40 | mexicankiller | it will be that nick |
09:18:42 | scorche | and as well, like i said, this isnt a social channel |
09:18:50 | mexicankiller | ok sorry |
09:18:55 | mexicankiller | erm |
09:19:03 | mexicankiller | I've got my sansa open |
09:19:13 | mexicankiller | and I dont know what to do |
09:19:17 | B4gder | mexicankiller: not an R model is it? |
09:19:22 | mexicankiller | erm |
09:19:28 | mexicankiller | exactly |
09:19:42 | B4gder | you mean it is or is not? |
09:19:49 | mexicankiller | is not |
09:20:05 | B4gder | is it a 1.1 hw revision? |
09:20:10 | mexicankiller | it gaved me a lot of troubles |
09:20:13 | mexicankiller | erm |
09:20:15 | hfliezfh | what is the difference between r and non-r (other than "one lets you use rhapsody, and one allows installation of rockbox")? fundamental hardware diff? |
09:20:20 | mexicankiller | yes 1.1 |
09:20:28 | GodEater | hfliezfh: good question |
09:20:31 | B4gder | hfliezfh: there's no fundamental hw diff that we know of |
09:20:42 | mexicankiller | erm |
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09:20:55 | B4gder | mexicankiller: so possibly we could use hidef scans of it |
09:20:57 | mexicankiller | the rhapsody models are getting cheap |
09:21:05 | hfliezfh | just, one you can't flash and the other you can? (or has that changed) |
09:21:12 | mexicankiller | I think I could buy one in 2 months |
09:21:22 | markun | mexicankiller: why do you change your nick? |
09:21:27 | mexicankiller | erm |
09:21:29 | linuxstb_ | B4gder: Do you know if the USB disk mode is hiding part of the flash disk on the R? i.e. is it presenting a slightly smaller disk? |
09:21:29 | B4gder | hfliezfh: put shortly that's still the case |
09:21:37 | mexicankiller | is just that I like that nick |
09:21:50 | B4gder | linuxstb_: I don't know, I've not gotten any clear response on that yet |
09:22:03 | markun | mexicankiller: why don't you use it then? |
09:22:15 | mexicankiller | I dont know xD |
09:22:27 | linuxstb_ | markun: Any TTS news? |
09:22:34 | markun | linuxstb_: nope :( |
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09:23:12 | mexicankiller | I now have the way to open my sansa |
09:23:19 | mexicankiller | I'm goiung to open it |
09:23:45 | B4gder | you already said you had it open... |
09:23:48 | GodEater | hurrah - gravatar successfully embedded too |
09:24:01 | B4gder | oo, fancy |
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09:24:13 | B4gder | so post something so that we can admire it! |
09:24:17 | * | GodEater had to strip off the rating and size again |
09:24:19 | jhMikeS | sansa, is easy to open. just remove the screws and use fingernails −− no damage. |
09:24:31 | GodEater | just look at the ipod install went wrong thread |
09:24:38 | B4gder | yeah I found the sansa very easy to open and close without damage |
09:24:44 | scorche | GodEater: haha....just a "7"? |
09:24:49 | B4gder | I could even detach parts easily |
09:25:16 | mexicankiller | and also the nand chip of the sansa is magnet proof |
09:25:38 | scorche | mexicankiller: what possible benefit does that give to this channel? |
09:25:58 | jhMikeS | magnet proof? |
09:26:16 | B4gder | are magnets really that hard on a typical nand? |
09:26:23 | * | GodEater is proud of his 7 :( |
09:26:24 | mexicankiller | yes |
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09:26:56 | mexicankiller | I've detached the nand chip |
09:27:07 | mexicankiller | I heard some cracking noises |
09:27:18 | B4gder | you only have one nand chip then? |
09:27:20 | jhMikeS | it's got a little tape deck in it |
09:27:50 | mexicankiller | erm |
09:27:51 | jhMikeS | apparently he does now |
09:28:06 | markun | :) |
09:28:12 | mexicankiller | 2 chips on the little board |
09:28:28 | mexicankiller | one has an stick with a serial |
09:28:59 | scorche | we are familiar with the board of the sansas... |
09:29:28 | mexicankiller | whats the diference between a sansa ver 1.0 and a 1.1? |
09:29:45 | B4gder | mexicankiller: it seems rockbox has some graphical glitch on the lcd when it runs on the 1.1 |
09:30:06 | mexicankiller | I have the 1.1:( |
09:30:09 | hfliezfh | is that confirmed to be limited to 1.1? |
09:30:16 | mexicankiller | yep |
09:30:18 | B4gder | hfliezfh: I'm not sure |
09:30:27 | Llorean | hfliezfh: You can't confirm something like that |
09:30:39 | Llorean | At best you can say "All respondents who've checked their hardware version have reported 1.1" |
09:30:42 | hfliezfh | you can disprove it easily, tho |
09:30:47 | hfliezfh | granted. |
09:30:54 | Llorean | Yep, you can disprove it, but we haven't managed to yet. |
09:30:59 | B4gder | I would guess that most people never check their PCB ;-) |
09:31:02 | Llorean | So it's at least a fair bet until new information comes up |
09:31:09 | B4gder | people are strange |
09:31:25 | Llorean | I'd love to know what the correlating factor with the dodgy Nanos is. |
09:32:08 | mexicankiller | erm |
09:32:08 | GodEater | Solar activity |
09:32:21 | mexicankiller | if need parts of the sansa |
09:32:32 | mexicankiller | my sansa is ruined so |
09:32:34 | hfliezfh | mexicankiller, next time you feel the need to say 'erm' on a line by itself, don't. |
09:32:46 | mexicankiller | oh ok |
09:32:56 | B4gder | mexicankiller: feel free to submit your parts on the SpareParts wiki page |
09:33:07 | Llorean | GodEater: in theory we now have failing ones running 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.3.1, with several known hardware revisions *and* flash firmware versions, including one perfectly identical to mine |
09:33:42 | mexicankiller | B4gder I already put that in the spare parts section |
09:33:47 | B4gder | ah, cool |
09:33:49 | mexicankiller | but I'm going to edit it |
09:33:53 | GodEater | in which case I stand by my diagnosis - clearly solar storms and the respondents position under different parts of the ozone layer are to blame! |
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09:34:03 | mexicankiller | as this cant be run anymore :( |
09:34:07 | Llorean | GodEater: I should poll geographic location. |
09:34:11 | mexicankiller | the sansa gave me troubles |
09:34:12 | GodEater | hehe yep |
09:34:13 | B4gder | mexicankiller: what happened to it? |
09:34:17 | Llorean | GodEater: Maybe it's something crazy like "All Australian Nanos" |
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09:34:26 | mexicankiller | when I bought it |
09:34:34 | mexicankiller | days later it gave me troubles |
09:34:35 | GodEater | Llorean: maybe their electricity flows the wrong way? |
09:34:39 | mexicankiller | relating to the files |
09:34:49 | Llorean | GodEater: Counterclockwise spin! So obvious! |
09:34:57 | B4gder | mexicankiller: so why didn't you just return it under the warranty? |
09:35:06 | mexicankiller | the sansa E200 series is a very problematic DAP |
09:35:13 | B4gder | mexicankiller: why so? |
09:35:39 | mexicankiller | you have to reformat it every mont to give away the troubles |
09:35:57 | hfliezfh | did the forums just go down? |
09:35:58 | B4gder | I don't believe that |
09:36:19 | hfliezfh | nvm, error is gone. |
09:36:21 | mexicankiller | man I'm not saying lies |
09:36:24 | B4gder | hfliezfh: they're usually very slow at this time of day |
09:36:36 | mexicankiller | is the truth the whole truth |
09:36:37 | B4gder | mexicankiller: I believe you had this problem with your player, sure |
09:36:43 | mexicankiller | yes |
09:36:55 | B4gder | it doesn't mean that the e200 series have this problem in general |
09:37:11 | mexicankiller | I've had use a zen nano and it never gaved me any trouble |
09:37:12 | B4gder | I've never heard anyone mention it before |
09:37:17 | hfliezfh | mexicankiller: every dap is a problematic dap if you have a problem with it; quality control always has at least some issues and no device is perfect |
09:37:41 | B4gder | mexicankiller: seems like you have a vast amount of units to run statistics on... |
09:38:34 | mexicankiller | in my house I'm the one who knows more about pc;s |
09:38:47 | * | Llorean posts one last post in the forums, and heads to bed. |
09:38:50 | mexicankiller | my mom doessn't know how to use it |
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09:43:14 | aliask | What's the accepted way of smoothing out a button read? If I hold a button on the gigabeat, but column data fluctuates (mostly correct though) |
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09:43:46 | mexicankiller | hey |
09:43:56 | mexicankiller | something weird happened to my sansa |
09:44:09 | LinusN | aliask: the button driver is supposed to handle that |
09:44:24 | aliask | LinusN: I'm writing the button driver :P |
09:44:24 | LinusN | mexicankiller: you killed it? :-P |
09:44:28 | mexicankiller | not |
09:44:38 | LinusN | aliask: then see how it is done on the other targets |
09:44:57 | aliask | Righto |
09:45:36 | mexicankiller | it now |
09:45:46 | mexicankiller | shows the screen all white |
09:46:34 | mexicankiller | thats wierd |
09:46:39 | B4gder | so you broke it when you disassembled it? |
09:46:43 | mexicankiller | erm |
09:46:45 | mexicankiller | no |
09:46:55 | mexicankiller | I just put things as it were |
09:47:10 | B4gder | and now it doesn't work anymore... |
09:47:25 | mexicankiller | I can acces to recovery mode |
09:47:47 | mexicankiller | now it says |
09:48:07 | mexicankiller | "load main image failed switch to recovery mode" |
09:48:31 | B4gder | so put a fine mi4 back on it |
09:48:53 | B4gder | "load main image failed" == the mi4 was not fine |
09:49:02 | B4gder | I would assume at least |
09:49:36 | mexicankiller | now the shame |
09:49:44 | mexicankiller | is that I losed the cable |
09:50:47 | mexicankiller | I'll be back very later |
09:50:49 | mexicankiller | see ya |
09:51:06 | mexicankiller | I'm going to take a shower and then sleep,here is going to be 3 am |
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09:56:26 | * | pondlife laughs at the continued use of the "Rockbox Logo" thread. |
09:59:09 | pondlife | Blimey, the fora are slow today.. |
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10:01:39 | GodEater | they always are at this time |
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10:14:00 | * | amiconn is still #3 rockbox committer... |
10:14:07 | GodEater | show off |
10:14:11 | GodEater | :) |
10:14:21 | * | linuxstb still has the most lines ;) |
10:14:28 | * | linuxstb hugs libFLAC |
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10:14:54 | B4gder | hehe |
10:15:12 | linuxstb | Does it count twice - once when I added it, and once when I removed it? |
10:15:24 | B4gder | quite possibly |
10:19:21 | * | amiconn has to say that he still doesn't get the purpose of ohloh |
10:19:33 | amiconn | I mean, it's nice statistics, but apart from that?? |
10:19:51 | B4gder | why would it need to be a lot more than that? |
10:20:12 | B4gder | I like seeing what people are up to, connections between developers etc |
10:20:20 | petur | agreed, it's just nice to have |
10:21:44 | petur | I get the feeling the ohloh spidering is either not working anymore or a bit overloaded... no more updates since 6/8 |
10:21:47 | amiconn | But then you don't need to register at all. If the project is registered, you'll appear. |
10:22:09 | B4gder | amiconn: yes, but it can't know who you are and if you're the same as in other projects etc |
10:22:29 | B4gder | petur: yeah, and some projects haven't been updated in far longer time than so |
10:22:43 | * | petur gave amiconn kudos regardless ;) |
10:22:52 | amiconn | Yeah, I saw |
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10:23:11 | * | amiconn thinks this kudos thing doesn't really tell much |
10:23:34 | scorche | is it supposed to? |
10:23:41 | B4gder | haha, you're thinking too much |
10:23:52 | B4gder | its fun, end of story |
10:23:55 | scorche | i have a 1...does that mean i am horrid? =) |
10:24:13 | JdGordon | yes... |
10:24:28 | scorche | i didnt ask your opinion! =P |
10:24:34 | JdGordon | :) |
10:24:53 | aliask | Woohoo I'm beating someone :D |
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10:25:26 | * | scorche removes the salt from his wound |
10:25:54 | aliask | The silver wreath looks nicer than the 2-7 one IMO |
10:26:20 | scorche | you mean grey? |
10:26:32 | aliask | Take your pick :P |
10:26:48 | scorche | silver is 8...or 9... |
10:27:28 | aliask | details... |
10:27:33 | makeshift | how far along has development come on the 4G greyscale iPod? is there a likelihood of turning it into a shiny paperweight, or are things working now? |
10:28:00 | B4gder | makeshift: the paperweight risk is next to zero |
10:28:43 | scorche | at least, we have never had a paperweight happen due to rockbox |
10:29:20 | amiconn | You cannot brick an ipod by installing rockbox |
10:29:48 | ddalton | why? Maybe I did. but I don't know if it was rockbox. I think the hard drive just broke. |
10:29:57 | GodEater | the only known way to brick an ipod as far as I'm aware, is a hard reset whilst it's doing an APPLE firmware upgrade |
10:30:13 | GodEater | or dropping it out of a 4th floor window |
10:30:22 | amiconn | Worst thing that might happen is that refuses to boot, but it's always restorable, unless there's a hardware error that just appears while installing rockbox |
10:31:08 | petur | or a failed install and one of the buttons needed for resetting it being broken? :) |
10:31:33 | amiconn | That would be a hardware error... |
10:31:40 | makeshift | ah, well that's reassuring. |
10:32:32 | * | petur was just kidding... |
10:33:10 | makeshift | I meant all the above replies are reassuring. heh. |
10:33:41 | pixelma | GodEater: dropping it from other floors would be ok? :P |
10:34:00 | GodEater | pixelma: of course |
10:34:02 | GodEater | :) |
10:34:13 | * | B4gder goes to verify |
10:34:54 | aliask | Like a cat - there is a certain height from which they fall and do not land without injury, but higher or lower and they're fine. |
10:34:56 | * | petur remembers this guy thinking rockbox broke his ipod and tossing it out of the window, only to get told later he could reset it... |
10:35:10 | JdGordon | hahah |
10:35:45 | scorche | my dad seems to think i broke his ajbr by disassembling and reassembling it.. |
10:35:52 | B4gder | I remember the description a long time ago from a guy who forgot his archos on the roof of his car when he took off... |
10:36:07 | B4gder | the rubber feet made it sit there fine at quite some speed |
10:36:14 | scorche | i think i remember that |
10:36:24 | scorche | those things are tanks =) |
10:36:39 | B4gder | yeah, but when he hit the breaks it flew off |
10:37:25 | Zagor | that's gotta be doubly painful: not just forgetting it there, but actually seeing it fly off to its' destruction |
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10:37:44 | makeshift | normally I'm not afraid to try beta software, but when its more integrated into hardware and involes flashing and such, I try and read up as much as possible. |
10:38:04 | B4gder | "hey what's that flying?" [moment of silence] "oh..." |
10:38:07 | amiconn | Rockbox installation on ipods doesn't involve flashing |
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10:38:11 | scorche | the ipod process....bah |
10:38:29 | makeshift | ...I've clearly not read enough, then. |
10:39:01 | scorche | which is partly why it is so safe |
10:39:26 | petur | s/partly/mostly |
10:39:54 | linuxstb | s/mostly// |
10:40:09 | * | GodEater agrees with linuxstb |
10:41:23 | scorche | well, there could be things to do that would be malicious |
10:41:45 | scorche | which is why i said partly...i thought about that =) |
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10:48:20 | * | GodEater is getting annoyed with the number of recent ipod posts where users have run their batteries down and then claim their ipod is "dead" |
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10:58:46 | pondlife | Stupid Cygwin question... Having set up a build environment, I have the m86k compilers etc. installed, but not in $PATH. How do I *permanentely* add them to the path? |
10:59:24 | bluebrother | pondlife: add them to ~/.bash_profile |
10:59:33 | pondlife | Thanks |
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10:59:59 | bluebrother | or in /etc/profile.d to make it globally for all users |
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11:01:04 | pondlife | I didn't have to do that on my previous install...I'm 99% suer. |
11:01:07 | pondlife | sure, even. |
11:01:30 | bluebrother | I prefer to install the cross compiler to /usr/local −− that's already in my path |
11:01:47 | * | pondlife just follows the wiki. |
11:02:35 | ddalton | Pondlife: all the info is in the easy guide to setting up cygwin. It is in the developers section. |
11:02:54 | pondlife | That's the one I followed. |
11:03:19 | bluebrother | there are various ways to achieve that on linux ... |
11:03:19 | pondlife | It worked fine on my Win2K PC, but on my XP one it seems not to have set up these paths. |
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11:04:34 | ddalton | pondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
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11:04:58 | ddalton | Pondlife: see step 4 "Step 4: Add the cross-compiler directory to your path " |
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11:05:36 | pondlife | ddalton: I did that.. |
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11:05:50 | pondlife | I'll check for typos... |
11:05:54 | ddalton | pondlife did it work? |
11:06:13 | SliMM | hello |
11:06:43 | SliMM | rbutil for ubuntu feisty isn't working |
11:07:06 | SliMM | even after i installed libwxbase |
11:07:40 | bluebrother | scorche: around? |
11:07:47 | * | scorche waves |
11:07:58 | bluebrother | nice. How's the theme site going? |
11:08:29 | scorche | i havent had a chance to look at it in the last couple days...been busy looking for a new job |
11:09:06 | B4gder | SliMM: "isn't working" is a rather vague description |
11:10:06 | bluebrother | ah, ok. I have integration of rbutil working now but it requires the changed php script |
11:10:29 | scorche | ah...alright |
11:10:32 | scorche | good =) |
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11:10:50 | SliMM | B4gder: wel, it isn't being installed :) |
11:11:10 | B4gder | it being rbutil? |
11:11:13 | SliMM | it says that libwxbase is needed for instalation |
11:11:25 | B4gder | when you do what? |
11:11:31 | SliMM | well*, and yes, it being rbutil |
11:11:32 | aliask | SliMM: I bet you're using an old version of wxbase |
11:11:36 | B4gder | My mind reader is on vacation |
11:11:39 | markun | B4gder: a bit ironic: http://www.ohloh.net/forums/8/topics/453#posts-1886 |
11:11:43 | aliask | It needs to be 2.8 or higher |
11:11:50 | SliMM | aliask, no, the latest\ |
11:12:12 | SliMM | well actually 2.8, i don't know which is the latest |
11:12:20 | B4gder | markun: yeah, but hardly a surprise since they imagine some kind of busniess around the site/concept |
11:13:21 | bluebrother | scorche: are you able to put the new script to the themes site? |
11:13:33 | bluebrother | Then users could test the themes installation in rbutilqt |
11:13:35 | scorche | of course |
11:13:49 | bluebrother | great :) http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/themes/rbutilqt.php.txt |
11:14:01 | bluebrother | I changed the name slightly ;-) |
11:14:08 | scorche | of course =) |
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11:15:47 | scorche | it is up |
11:16:11 | scorche | although i dont have time really to integrate it atm, if that is needed |
11:16:36 | scorche | then again, i can make small changes quickly =) |
11:16:58 | bluebrother | well, I'll try against current rbutilqt |
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11:17:18 | scorche | copy.rockbox-themes.org/rbutilqt.php |
11:17:58 | bluebrother | thanks |
11:18:16 | bluebrother | hopefully it works out of the box ... |
11:25:04 | ddalton | /msg aliask so how would you use them? |
11:25:40 | bluebrother | damn, segfauls again :'-( |
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11:45:57 | scorche | oh...btw, horrible picture of me (i hadnt slept for 3 days and was likely in some form of intoxication), but rockbox has its presence in the winners circle of the toughest contest at defcon: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vissago/1114893382/in/photostream/ |
11:46:05 | scorche | =) |
11:47:06 | scorche | well, one of the toughest...CTF is rough as well |
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11:48:17 | petur | markun: I like how he just ran off after the question "how do you plan to make money from this?" |
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11:48:50 | * | GodEater feels like he missed something |
11:49:06 | petur | 30 minutes ago... |
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12:07:43 | markun | GodEater: about the software behind ohloh not being open source |
12:08:08 | petur | today is delay day! |
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12:12:12 | Zagor | scorche: what contest was that? |
12:12:31 | scorche | LosT box |
12:13:35 | scorche | required advanced crypto, electronics, physical security, well...i shall link you to the thing he will post about it summing it up =) |
12:14:21 | scorche | when he gathers it all up, that is...it would take me over an hour to explain all of it person to person =) |
12:14:43 | barrywardell | petur: how is austriancoder progressing with the USB stuff? |
12:14:59 | petur | less than expected |
12:15:30 | barrywardell | did he get sending working? |
12:15:43 | petur | nope |
12:16:07 | petur | we need some hackers with the right hardware to help out I fear |
12:17:28 | pondlife | Bit like the Nano issue, then... |
12:17:50 | barrywardell | is FS #6494 of any use? |
12:18:18 | barrywardell | it's just debug info, but maybe it would help |
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12:19:27 | barrywardell | also, is there a recent patch I could try? |
12:19:37 | Zagor | scorche: this? http://www.thaumatocracy.com/news/defcon-15-lost-box-contest-crypto/ |
12:20:07 | scorche | simply the first phase, but yes =) |
12:20:13 | Zagor | ok |
12:20:50 | scorche | and they are missing a few things... |
12:21:17 | scorche | it was damn fun though |
12:21:23 | B4gder | it sounds fun |
12:22:09 | scorche | http://mysterychallenge.org/ was the sit |
12:22:10 | scorche | e |
12:22:13 | Zagor | yeah, looks like great fun |
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12:26:00 | scorche | to sum it up, you had to crack the crypto (which took around 8 hours, although i had it together at 25 min in, yet we rejected my ideas), then you got a new box, pick a lock that was very hard to even get to the keyway, get a clue, screw with electronics, pick/dremel 2 more locks, interpret a coded schematic, solder, find a certain light that would interact with the photocell, do advanced fibbonacci (after you figured out to use that), then y |
12:26:28 | scorche | i am dropping large parts of course... |
12:27:04 | aliask | this sounds awesome |
12:27:10 | scorche | it was =) |
12:27:24 | aliask | must have been a bit of effort to set up |
12:27:42 | scorche | i very much doubt any single person could have done it, except for LosT who set it up himself... |
12:27:51 | B4gder | must be hard to setup to get the perfect complexity level |
12:28:04 | scorche | yeah...i cant wait for next year =) |
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12:29:04 | Zagor | http://www.flickr.com/photos/vissago/1114005307/ |
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12:30:29 | scorche | that would be the second box...they weighed around 30 pounds total and you had to (or at least thought you had to till you solved it and realized it wasnt a big deal) keep it straight up and down |
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12:34:32 | scorche | better pictures here: http://gallery.zzq.org/v/kampf/PAG/ConPhotos/BH_DC/BHDC15/DCXV/?g2_page=5 |
12:34:53 | scorche | although, i would wait for when LosT puts together his page, as his will be complete |
12:35:17 | petur | barrywardell: thanks for that FS#, didn't know it. austrianscoder test is this: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/old/mrh_try7.diff |
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12:44:16 | linuxstb_ | petur: Is any of austriancoder's work commitable? (even if it's not enabled in normal builds) |
12:44:17 | barrywardell | thanks petur. I'll look at that patch |
12:52:54 | B4gder | I've tried to arrange a rendez vous on the secret park bench, trench coats on and a secret drop-the-package place with our secret friend to see if he can/wants to help with this |
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12:54:30 | GodEater | yay |
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12:55:11 | JdGordon | haha |
12:55:38 | JdGordon | B4gder: sweeten the deal... make sure he gets a tshirt! |
12:55:55 | B4gder | its hard to get him one since he has no address |
12:56:12 | GodEater | also, he could never wear it |
12:56:25 | B4gder | I've already tried to give him a player |
12:56:31 | B4gder | ie target |
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13:00:32 | aliask | Which target? Doesn't he already have a sansa? |
13:00:45 | B4gder | yeah, he bought one himself instead |
13:01:15 | aliask | Ah |
13:01:27 | JdGordon | buy the man an R so he can really be usefull.... |
13:01:36 | B4gder | he did almost all his work without having a target |
13:01:44 | JdGordon | how? |
13:01:52 | JdGordon | he speaks asm? |
13:01:53 | B4gder | reading disassembly |
13:02:13 | B4gder | apparently he's quite skilled at it |
13:02:18 | JdGordon | apparently! |
13:02:53 | B4gder | he got a target to be able to verify his findings about how to get stuff to run on it and how to talk in manufacture mode etc |
13:02:57 | preglow | who's the guy porting to a sansa c2xx, btw? |
13:03:02 | B4gder | low_light |
13:03:11 | preglow | really |
13:03:16 | B4gder | mrobe wasn't enough for me |
13:03:19 | B4gder | for him |
13:03:33 | B4gder | (how did that get "me" ?) |
13:04:04 | B4gder | but there was a guy around ages ago who did some initial c200 tests |
13:04:15 | B4gder | which is how we know the e200tool etc works on it |
13:05:01 | B4gder | imho, we really should get some of low_light's new port work in svn soon |
13:05:15 | preglow | indeed |
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13:11:34 | aliask | Where's his c200 work? |
13:12:36 | B4gder | on his computer ;-) |
13:12:57 | B4gder | he got the bootloader to start, displaying text on the lcd |
13:12:57 | aliask | Has he found the framebuffer? |
13:13:03 | aliask | Oh, sweet |
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13:52:11 | pondlife | B4gder: For building daily voice files under Windows, would I need to re-run configure each time? I assume so :( |
13:52:29 | B4gder | that's what I do, just to be safe |
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13:52:48 | pondlife | Do you just have a text file with the input in for each target? |
13:53:04 | pondlife | The Archos RAM size question caught me out... |
13:53:07 | B4gder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildall-voices.pl?view=markup |
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13:53:18 | rasher | well, the strings are collected in the "make voice" step, so it shouldn't be necessary unless the configure script changes |
13:53:36 | B4gder | right, but an automated script never really know when configure changes... |
13:53:58 | rasher | Then it's clearly not complicated enough |
13:54:08 | pondlife | lol |
13:54:13 | B4gder | :-) |
13:54:24 | rasher | At least you can keep the pool |
13:54:39 | B4gder | we stopped keeping the pool |
13:54:48 | B4gder | since otherwise it won't adapt to tool updates properly |
13:55:30 | B4gder | so we start all daily builds with removing the pool |
13:55:33 | rasher | True enough. It's not like it takes that long anyway |
13:56:27 | B4gder | one fix would be to not use the target compiler when preprocessing the features list |
13:56:45 | pondlife | I take it I can re-use the MP3 clips across targets, i.e. not clean them up between targets.. |
13:56:56 | B4gder | pondlife: correct |
13:57:04 | pondlife | Good, that will help a lot. |
13:57:26 | rasher | Building the additional targets are practically free once the first one's built |
13:57:51 | Domonoky | bluebrother: some how downloading with rbutil doesnt work anymore for me.. i always get a 403 error.. will try it again with a clean svn rbutil |
13:57:53 | rasher | B4gder: that's pretty silly, really |
13:58:01 | B4gder | yeps |
13:58:54 | B4gder | I think I'll fix it right away |
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14:01:01 | JdGordon | bah, nls isnt around |
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14:06:15 | pondlife | Hmm, buildall-voices deletes the build directory with the mp3 clips in after each target.. I assume the SAPI5 voice building should be using a tmp directory for them..? |
14:06:28 | pondlife | Otherwise, no pooling! |
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14:06:50 | B4gder | that script sets POOL to point to a separate pool directory |
14:06:56 | rasher | You set an environment variable POOL to some dir outside the build directory |
14:07:28 | pondlife | Maybe the SAPI script needs to use $POOL somewhere? |
14:07:43 | rasher | That should be handled by genvoice entirely |
14:08:04 | rasher | unless you do something nasty in the sapi scripts |
14:08:59 | pondlife | I probably do... |
14:09:26 | pondlife | Under Cygwin they deliberatly put the MP3 clips into the build dir. |
14:09:30 | pondlife | Should be using the pool dir |
14:09:48 | rasher | They should put them where genvoice tells them to |
14:11:00 | pondlife | Yup |
14:11:20 | pondlife | I'm ending up with 5K .voice files too - probably the same issue. |
14:11:38 | rasher | Are the sapi scripts encoding the files? |
14:11:48 | pondlife | Encoding? |
14:12:08 | pondlife | No, the LAME stuff is unchanged |
14:12:19 | pondlife | Although the paths are different for Cygwin |
14:12:22 | rasher | Then the mp3 files *should* end up in POOL |
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14:12:53 | rasher | as far as I can tell |
14:13:37 | pondlife | I maybe broke it in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/configure?r1=14251&r2=14252 |
14:13:59 | pondlife | Previously it used TEMPDIR="${pwd}" |
14:14:10 | pondlife | Which might have been POOL? |
14:14:13 | JdGordon | re: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7603 , should I make the settings code forcfully translate "off" instead of just displaying the string? |
14:14:35 | rasher | pondlife: no. I think that's fine |
14:14:53 | rasher | POOL is not set in any of the standard scripts. |
14:14:53 | pondlife | Hmm, no other path changes AFAIK |
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14:15:02 | * | rasher digs out cygwin |
14:16:14 | * | pondlife digs out lunch |
14:16:30 | * | B4gder just digs |
14:16:43 | rasher | Guess I need a target compiler, then. As long as B4gder hasn't changed that |
14:16:54 | B4gder | I just fixed it |
14:17:10 | B4gder | uses hostcc now |
14:17:11 | rasher | Neat |
14:18:46 | rasher | I think the problem might be the use of soft-links rather than copies. I imagine it might not work on windows |
14:19:08 | B4gder | ouch, right |
14:19:38 | bluebrother | Domonoky: strange ... it worked fine for me |
14:20:18 | rasher | In fact, I'm quite sure that's the case |
14:21:13 | Domonoky | bluebrother:i have strange problems with the HttpGetter.. on some downloads it stops now with error 403, and others like the one which installs the doom files downloads, but never finishes.. |
14:22:03 | rasher | B4gder: is it worth it to make a special-case and use cp instead of ln. Or could we just use cp in all cases? I know it's wasteful, but is it significant? (I doubt it takes many milliseconds to copy a 5-10kb file |
14:22:37 | B4gder | I'd say use cp only |
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14:24:12 | bluebrother | hmm, something is weird −− now I'm getting similar issues. It worked fine yesterday before I committed :( |
14:24:49 | rasher | Gosh, building in cygwin/with sapi is slow |
14:25:31 | LinusN | here's something interesting: http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/htdocs/Win32-SAPI5/Win32/SAPI5.pm.html |
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14:26:16 | pandrew | hey guys! where should i put linux.bin for the rockbox bootloader if i want to have ipodlinux too? |
14:26:20 | LinusN | ahd this: http://search.cpan.org/~jouke/Win32-SAPI4-0.08/lib/Win32/SAPI4.pm |
14:26:23 | rasher | we do have the problem that a new process is started for each clip |
14:26:33 | rasher | But I guess a simple "clip-generation" server could be written |
14:26:39 | bluebrother | pandrew: in the root of the fat partition |
14:26:44 | LinusN | rasher: see the links i posted |
14:27:10 | rasher | LinusN: yeah, but the "one process per clip" is because of how genvoice works |
14:27:30 | rasher | Somewhat, at least |
14:27:31 | LinusN | yes, but it couls be rewritten in perl :-) |
14:27:50 | rasher | Ah, like that |
14:27:52 | pandrew | bluebrother: and is there anything else i need to put there? i already have a primary partition (3), at the end of the harddisk where i copyed the userland and the lib folder. when i start with linux, the ipod freezes with the apple logo on it.... |
14:28:46 | bluebrother | nothing that I'm aware of |
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14:30:08 | pandrew | bluebrother: by the way i have an ipod video 5g, are there any known issues about that? i couldn't install ipl either. it could start, but ipl couldn't load the official apple os. i stopped there... |
14:30:37 | B4gder | pandrew: we don't deal with ipl here, go #ipodlinux for that |
14:30:58 | B4gder | rockbox should work fine on the 5g |
14:31:24 | pandrew | B4gder: i wan not asking about ipl, i just said that it didn't work.... |
14:31:45 | B4gder | and how has that anything to do with rockbox then? |
14:32:05 | pandrew | B4gder: i can't find a reason why the _rockbox bootloader_ can't load linux |
14:32:39 | B4gder | neither can I |
14:32:45 | babau | Hi guys, I'm having an issue whereby I can't alter the permissions or ownership of any folders on my iPod when mounted under rockbox firmware. I'm using a 1st gen iPod nano and Ubuntu Linux. "sudo chown" just returns "Operation not permitted." Any ideas? |
14:32:47 | B4gder | I guess it isn't very frequently used |
14:32:55 | B4gder | (to load linux) |
14:34:07 | rasher | babau: There is no such thing as permissions or ownership in fat32. I suspect your disk might be mounted read-only. This is really not rockbox related. |
14:34:42 | babau | Right, cheers. I wasn't sure whether it was a rockbox or "other" issue. Cheers for the pointer. |
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14:35:56 | rasher | Hrm, actually I got a working voice with cygwin/sapi5, even with linking rather than copying |
14:36:28 | rasher | pondlife: not quite sure what your issue is then |
14:42:03 | JdGordon | can someone try out a patch for me please? I'm tryying to make some more string translated, but cant use the menu if its not english.... |
14:42:45 | JdGordon | jdgordon.info/jonno/settings.diff">http://www.jdgordon.info/jonno/settings.diff |
14:42:50 | JdGordon | hopefully that works... |
14:43:00 | JdGordon | check if off is translated in the peakmeter settings please? |
14:43:31 | JdGordon | jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/settings.diff">http://jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/settings.diff |
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14:46:17 | petur | bah... wireless outside my home isn't that reliable :/ |
14:51:27 | JdGordon | someoen please test that patch so I can goto bed? |
14:51:45 | scorche | oh...bed...thanks for reminding me =) |
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14:56:11 | petur | JdGordon: still want that tested? |
14:56:15 | JdGordon | please |
14:56:27 | petur | I get a page not found |
14:56:32 | JdGordon | the 2nd link? |
14:56:49 | petur | yes |
14:56:58 | petur | jdgordon.info/jonno/settings.diff">http://www.jdgordon.info/jonno/settings.diff |
14:57:16 | petur | "Welcome to lame-delegation-domain.com" |
14:57:22 | pandrew | bluebrother: is there a way i can send some arguments to the linux kernel? it won't find my root partition! |
14:57:22 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/settings.diff">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/settings.diff |
14:57:34 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i found a (at least partial) fix for the httpgetter problem.. you use http.get(QString(url.toEncoded())); with http.get(url.path()..) it works.. :-) |
14:57:35 | petur | better |
14:58:11 | pandrew | or anyone else knows a way to pass parameters to a linux kernel in the rockbox bootloader? |
14:58:12 | linuxstb_ | babau: Linux will normally make a drive read-only if it detects filesystem errors. Try unmounting it and running fsck |
14:59:13 | linuxstb_ | pandrew: It can't be done (unless someone implements it). But you shouldn't need to tell it the root fs - assuming you've created the partition it's looking for. |
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15:00:07 | Domonoky | bluebrother: this fix, fixes my problems with the 403 error, but the problem that the downloading doesnt finish (e.g doom file downloading) still persist.. |
15:00:35 | bluebrother | hmm. Using path() also will ignore any arguments (which are needed by the themes php script) |
15:00:48 | pandrew | linuxstb_: it's on the 3-rd primary position in the partition table, it is an ext2 partiton. it is of type 83 (Linux), and it is on the enf of the harddisk (cylinder-wise) |
15:01:20 | pandrew | linuxstb_: i hope it's not looking for something different then this... |
15:01:48 | linuxstb_ | pandrew: That would be a question for IPL people, not us. All the RB bootloader does is load the kernel and run it... |
15:02:13 | petur | JdGordon: tried in the sim and got a crash |
15:02:24 | linuxstb_ | pandrew: So I assume it's working fine with loader2? |
15:02:25 | JdGordon | yeah, dunno why, try it again please |
15:03:01 | pandrew | linuxstb_: no. i actually never tryed linux with loder2 because loader2 couldn't load the original os in the first place, so i skipped it.... |
15:04:02 | Domonoky | bluebrother: perhaps use url.path() + url.fragment() ? |
15:04:15 | petur | JdGordon: peak hold looks ok, but peak release always crashes |
15:04:23 | petur | will try on target too |
15:04:47 | pandrew | linuxstb_: well, i'll go ahead and try it, just to know if it works or not... |
15:04:52 | bluebrother | Domonoky: as far as I understood the documentation fragment is not the correct part −− it's supposed to start with a # |
15:05:34 | bluebrother | i.e. the anchor in the document |
15:05:44 | JdGordon | petur: i tihnk it may be a buffer overflow, but unrealted... ill fix that now |
15:05:52 | JdGordon | be release translates correctly? |
15:05:59 | Domonoky | bluebrother: you are right.. hmm. |
15:06:42 | bluebrother | and I don't see why toEncoded() should cause problems. At least from reading the documentation |
15:07:09 | bluebrother | this is really annoying. Themes installation was about to work and now it seems to break even more. |
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15:07:49 | petur | peak hold is ok |
15:08:15 | petur | JdGordon: peak release on target gives a way too long list of values (no crash) |
15:08:55 | JdGordon | ok, thanks |
15:09:03 | JdGordon | I wonder when this started? |
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15:09:08 | * | JdGordon never uses these settings |
15:10:02 | roolku | petur: instead of copying the backlight code to every plugin wouldn't it be better to do it centrally as in : roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/plugin-backlight.patch">http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/plugin-backlight.patch ? |
15:10:54 | petur | you mean for every plugin? |
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15:11:50 | linuxstb_ | roolku: I don't think every plugin needs a permanent backlight. |
15:12:39 | rasher | Far from it, I'd say |
15:12:43 | roolku | linuxstb: okay, fair enough |
15:13:32 | * | roolku is struggling to find an example plugin that doesn't |
15:13:44 | roolku | maybe the TSR plugins? |
15:13:53 | * | petur hands roolku wavview |
15:14:03 | JdGordon | petur: that bug is definatly unrelated :) so im going to commit and fix that tomorow hopefully |
15:14:10 | petur | ok |
15:14:16 | roolku | well, if it displays something on the screen I would like to see it |
15:14:20 | pandrew | linuxstb_: no, the same happens with loader2 |
15:14:43 | * | roolku looks at wavview |
15:15:00 | rasher | roolku: Basically any plugin that doesn't require your attention non-stop. |
15:15:02 | Domonoky | bluebrother: other working fix for the 403 error problem: strip the url.host and "http://" from the encoded url.. then it also works :-) |
15:15:04 | petur | roolku: wavview takes quite some time to load and process the file (if it is a large one) and doesn need backlight then |
15:16:41 | roolku | rasher: I suppose it depends on how you use it, but I don't usually run plugins and then not look at them |
15:17:05 | roolku | petur: okay, does it turn the backlight on when it is done.... |
15:17:15 | * | roolku hasn't got a wav file handy |
15:17:26 | linuxstb_ | roolku: Also, not all targets need the backlight on - they're perfectly readable without it. |
15:18:02 | roolku | linuxstb: good point, but the same would apply to petur's commit>? |
15:18:21 | bluebrother | Domonoky: can you tell what file it tries to download when you get the 403? |
15:18:37 | rasher | roolku: I often run sudoku and put it away for a bit when I get frustrated with it or if I get interrupted |
15:19:07 | bluebrother | I tried outputting the url and it looks fine here. |
15:19:31 | linuxstb_ | roolku: But I agree that it would be good to find a nice solution to the backlight-in-plugins issue. I just don't think it's obvious... |
15:19:33 | roolku | rasher: that is what I mean with how you use it. I would save and resume later. I find it more annoying if I am finding a solution and the screen gets dark |
15:19:34 | linuxstb_ | (or easy) |
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15:19:59 | roolku | rasher: ..because i haven't pressed a key in a while |
15:20:03 | Domonoky | bluebrother: yes the url looks fine, but the difference between the uril and url.path is not only the queryitems.. path is also relativ to the host.. |
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15:20:51 | Domonoky | so the url is something like: http://download.rockbox.org/bla/bal.zip and the path is only /bla/bla.zip |
15:21:12 | roolku | linuxstb: a manual override perhaps, but we don't have enough buttons for that one. |
15:22:21 | * | bluebrother found another possible segfault |
15:22:33 | bluebrother | I'm wondering why it didn't segfault yesterday. |
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15:24:55 | bluebrother | I shouldn't debug output invalid data especially if I'm calling methods on that object ... |
15:25:30 | Domonoky | bluebrother: :-) true.. |
15:26:41 | Domonoky | bluebrother: if i remove the http.close call at the end of the getfile function.. the doom download finished successfull.. it seams the close request is to early in the queue.. |
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15:28:27 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I just committed a fix. At least I hope it fixes it ;-) |
15:28:42 | bluebrother | but trying on my virtual windows box looked fine. |
15:33:43 | Domonoky | bluebrother: fo that didnt fix those problems |
15:33:49 | Domonoky | for me |
15:33:52 | bluebrother | :( |
15:34:11 | bluebrother | is there something special with your network setup? |
15:34:50 | Domonoky | no, pretty normal.. i am connected to the inet via a route.. |
15:34:57 | Domonoky | router |
15:35:17 | bluebrother | hmm |
15:35:18 | Domonoky | but my fix works.. :-) |
15:35:22 | * | bluebrother scratches head |
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15:39:23 | Domonoky | bluebrother: should i commit my fix, and you try if it works for you and for the themes ? |
15:40:53 | bluebrother | hmm. Have you tried url.toString() instead of url.toEncoded? |
15:41:06 | B4gder | doesn't the http class have a verbose mode or something that displays what it does or attempts to do? |
15:42:10 | bluebrother | strictly speaking we don't need to convert the url to encoded −− we don't have anything that needs to get encoded |
15:42:26 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i tried it now.. but doesnt work.. error "wrong content lenght" |
15:42:43 | bluebrother | urgh? |
15:42:51 | bluebrother | this is getting really strange ... |
15:43:14 | Domonoky | bluebrother: it only works for me, if i strip the host and the "http://" so it looks like what you get from url.path() |
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15:47:28 | * | bluebrother got an idea |
15:47:51 | bluebrother | how about removing the line http.setHost()? Does this make a difference? |
15:48:58 | bluebrother | hmpf. Now I get a "No server to connect to". |
15:49:00 | Domonoky | other error message: "No server set to connect to, Please check.. " |
15:49:04 | Domonoky | :-) |
15:49:11 | bluebrother | weird. |
15:49:37 | bluebrother | ok, then let's strip the first part of the url |
15:50:37 | Domonoky | jep.. and we have to move/ remove the http.close() call at the end of getFile().. |
15:51:15 | * | B4gder coughs and accidentally mentions libcurl... :-) |
15:51:37 | bluebrother | hmm −− why do we need to remove that? |
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15:51:57 | * | Domonoky invites Bagder to use libCurl in rbutil :-) |
15:52:26 | B4gder | the downside is a slightly larger bin file of course |
15:52:51 | rasher | And another build-dep |
15:52:59 | B4gder | yeps |
15:53:08 | B4gder | I'm not seriously suggesting it |
15:53:09 | Domonoky | bluebrother: if i have the call there, the downloading of the doomfile stops at 100% and never emits the done signal. ( the debug messages tells me, that it closes the connection to early.. |
15:53:14 | rasher | Speaking of, maybe I should have a go at Debian packaging for rbutilqt |
15:53:38 | rasher | Should be easier, now that it builds without external deps |
15:53:48 | B4gder | indeed |
15:53:51 | rasher | (compared to the wx version, that is) |
15:54:22 | rasher | I remember seeing someone talking about packaging it.. now where was it |
15:54:26 | Domonoky | yes, qt packages are hopefully aviable for all distros :-) |
15:54:54 | * | bluebrother will do a fedora rpm eventually |
15:55:25 | rasher | Ah yes, http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20070308-00.comment |
15:56:17 | rasher | I believe he's both debian and ubuntu developer |
15:56:26 | bluebrother | interesting: "... which is a C/wxwidgets program" <−− never knew it's c ;-) |
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16:00:38 | rasher | Interesting quote there: "I think I'll wait for the iRony installer to become more mature before attemting to use it. I am not knowledgeble in both Python and RockBox but am very interested in free-ing up my iPod." |
16:00:46 | rasher | Maybe he could just read the manual |
16:01:13 | B4gder | ... "and I can't be bother to read anything" (fills in the missing piece) |
16:01:31 | * | B4gder can't type properly though |
16:04:12 | * | bluebrother wonders if he's missing a QUrl::queryString() |
16:04:52 | nerochiaro | saratoga: i've put online the stand alone decoder program i was talking about yesterday, if you're still interested |
16:05:14 | dionoea | Can the iPod's original firmware act as USB host? |
16:06:41 | B4gder | no |
16:07:29 | dionoea | hum ... weird. The firmware mentions the "DCIM/" string several times. Isn't that where they store pictures on cameras? |
16:09:13 | rasher | It is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCIM) |
16:09:41 | rasher | Maybe they use something like it for storing photos on the ipod? |
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16:10:30 | dionoea | yeah ... i guess so. |
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16:15:38 | bluebrother | Domonoky: another fix committed ... |
16:15:48 | * | bluebrother crosses fingers |
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16:18:42 | saratoga | nerochiaro: yes i'm interested |
16:18:45 | saratoga | whats the link? |
16:19:03 | nerochiaro | saratoga: http://pastebin.ca/658264 links to libraries and the app |
16:19:04 | Domonoky | bluebrother: normal downloading works.. :-) |
16:19:51 | Domonoky | but i still need to remove the http.close(); to get the doomfile install working.. |
16:21:27 | * | Domonoky commited reworked bootloader installation.. :-) |
16:21:44 | * | pondlife spots rasher's commit from earlier... |
16:23:00 | bluebrother | I still don't get why doom downloading doesn't finish |
16:23:13 | bluebrother | I have something similar for the themes though ... |
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16:23:52 | rasher | pondlife: it shouldn't matter, actually - voicefile built fine here, even before the commit |
16:23:52 | Domonoky | bluebrother: is also dont know why, it uses the same code as font installing, and that is working.. but if i remove the http.close everthing is fine :-) |
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16:25:17 | Domonoky | bluebrother: somehow the qhttp object doesnt emit the done signal.. and if you look for the states, it is closing before it is finished with the second request.. |
16:25:22 | pondlife | rasher: I could build voice files correctly, but Bagder's perl script didn't work. |
16:25:27 | nerochiaro | saratoga: let me know if you see something wrong in that please |
16:25:47 | rasher | pondlife: Then I think it's time to blame Bagder |
16:25:47 | pondlife | rasher: And no pooling took place for multiple build dirs. |
16:25:51 | pondlife | lol |
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16:26:04 | pondlife | No, it's probably my use of his script... |
16:26:15 | rasher | My voice-file built fine, using a POOL |
16:26:25 | pondlife | I never used a POOL before |
16:27:34 | B4gder | that script is exactly what ran on the server |
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16:27:41 | B4gder | ah |
16:27:48 | B4gder | lemme commit my latest |
16:28:27 | B4gder | now, get the updated one |
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16:28:41 | B4gder | the echo line for configure changed |
16:29:09 | B4gder | the one I commited now is exactly what runs on the server now daily |
16:29:16 | amiconn | rasher: The voice build scripts do call an init script and an exit script. It shouldn't be difficult to turn the init script into a sapi clip generation server, and make the exit script kill it |
16:29:23 | bluebrother | Domonoky: hmm, the same helps for my themes issue. Maybe it's related to the time the server needs to respond? |
16:29:37 | saratoga | nerochiaro: am i supposed to use those diffs? |
16:29:44 | amiconn | Could be done either in perl or vbscript, but I'd prefer the latter because it has less dependencies |
16:29:44 | cracks | I wanna ask some things bout scrobbler.log L field and Ketama, may i proceed? |
16:29:59 | bluebrother | funnily that http.close() is copied from Qt's http example :o |
16:30:12 | LinusN | cracks: permission granted - go ahead :-) |
16:30:16 | amiconn | (doing it in perl requires Activestate perl afaik, while the scripting host is included on any modern windows) |
16:30:18 | cracks | :) |
16:30:21 | cracks | Thanks |
16:30:25 | rasher | amiconn: that's what I was thinking |
16:30:26 | * | pondlife creates /home/dast/rockbox-voices/voice-pool.. |
16:30:37 | pondlife | dast ~ Bagder, right? |
16:30:51 | LinusN | yes |
16:30:58 | LinusN | DAniel STenberg |
16:31:01 | pondlife | B4gder: Where's the updated script? |
16:31:05 | cracks | The 1st question is, the S in the log doesn´t work right!? |
16:31:26 | B4gder | pondlife: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildall-voices.pl?view=markup |
16:31:29 | pondlife | Thanks |
16:31:56 | nerochiaro | saratoga: you need to checkout from SVN these directories i liked to get the sources |
16:32:41 | cracks | 2nd qustion, why the scrobbler.log has L as field? |
16:32:42 | nerochiaro | saratoga: libasf and libwma are not meant to be built outside of the neuros env, so you probably need to tweak a bit the makefiles. should be pretty simple though |
16:33:21 | nerochiaro | saratoga: the decoder app itself is just a simple program that calls into both libraires, as you can see |
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16:35:34 | pondlife | Nope, still not doing something right. |
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16:36:36 | amiconn | lnnn |
16:37:37 | cracks | 3rd Do scrobbling has any effect on stations without the ban love or skip? |
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16:41:37 | LinusN | cracks: you mean S == Skipped and L == Listened? |
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16:45:33 | pondlife | rasher: I'm getting an error for each voice clip: "cp: cannot stat `/home/dast/rockbox-voices/voice-pool/24f1388f0b3ea2ef1ea4dda24a |
16:45:33 | pondlife | 0a75ae-english.mp3': No such file or directory" |
16:46:01 | {Francesco} | Hi, can you help me with my winpod 5th gen? I have a very very big problem, please |
16:47:13 | rasher | pondlife: then I suppose the encoding fails for some reason |
16:47:19 | bluebrother | Domonoky: gotta run right now −− I'll try to get this sorted out tonight. |
16:47:53 | pondlife | rasher: Hmm, will debug further |
16:49:02 | rasher | pondlife: the script overwrites PATH. That's probably the problem |
16:49:18 | pondlife | Urgh, bye bye LAME |
16:49:51 | pondlife | I can certainly do a "make voice" manually ok, using the config left behind by the script |
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16:50:23 | rasher | Unless lame is in /usr/local/bin, that's your problem |
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16:56:07 | amiconn | The manual feature definitions seem to be wrong, e.g. the 1st/2nd gen manual includes the clock plugin |
16:57:29 | amiconn | Eeek, and the ipod installation chapter needs some attention... |
16:57:37 | amiconn | "USB connection"... |
16:57:51 | dionoea | amiconn: do you know if things they call Tasks in the iPod's OF are threads? |
16:59:23 | pondlife | rasher: Nope, wasn't (just) the path... still fails if I set $POOL. |
16:59:46 | pondlife | Seems to work ok if I don't set it though.. |
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17:00:21 | pondlife | Permissions, perhaps - /home/dast/... isn't my home |
17:01:11 | pondlife | Nope... I can create files in there. |
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17:05:07 | rasher | lemmesee |
17:06:08 | rasher | Ah no, path isn't overwritten anyway, it's .=, I just read it as = |
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17:07:48 | preglow | .= is concat |
17:08:01 | rasher | Yup, indeed. |
17:08:44 | rasher | pondlife: I may have just hit an even weirder problem. I get "sh: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory" |
17:09:00 | rasher | Although it clearly exists |
17:10:31 | rasher | ah no, configure cd's all over the place |
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17:11:06 | pondlife | I shall run without a pool for now. |
17:11:27 | pondlife | Sadly, short of time to fix it. |
17:11:57 | rasher | I'm looking into it |
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17:14:27 | rasher | pondlife: wait, did you modify the script to use sapi rather than festival? |
17:15:05 | pondlife | Yes |
17:15:27 | pondlife | It works fine (if slowly) once I comment out the setting of $POOL |
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17:17:58 | amiconn | dionoea: I don't know. Didn't even see that there is something called 'tasks'. My research is lower level than that... |
17:18:31 | pondlife | rasher: What actually copies clips to the pool? |
17:18:40 | pondlife | I only see copies out of it. |
17:18:56 | rasher | pondlife: the encoding is done into the pool |
17:19:01 | rasher | or should be, at least |
17:19:23 | nerochiaro | saratoga: i've got here a wma file that crashes the rockbox decoder (in the simulator) |
17:19:27 | rasher | dionoea: it could simply be the todo/calendar thing that ipods have (they have that, don't they?) |
17:19:31 | nerochiaro | saratoga: i'll upload somewhere |
17:19:36 | pondlife | Nope, it's done into the build directory |
17:20:07 | pondlife | That's how I assumed it was meant to work when I added Cygwin/SAPI support.. |
17:20:46 | rasher | But the sapi support doesn't touch encoding at all, does it? |
17:20:57 | rasher | I'm talking about wav->mp3 encoding |
17:21:06 | saratoga | nerochiaro: thanks |
17:21:08 | pondlife | Ah, ok.. No that's unchanged |
17:21:19 | saratoga | did it crash for you using libasf? |
17:21:35 | rasher | pondlife: and it works, I've build (manually) a voicefile using the pool |
17:22:01 | pondlife | What did you set POOL to? Bagder's default? |
17:22:29 | rasher | no just a dir I made myself |
17:22:37 | rasher | My god, cygwin really is dog-slow |
17:23:03 | pondlife | Slow as a dead dog |
17:23:04 | rasher | I don't think the slowness you're seeing is due to SAPI as much as cygwin |
17:23:19 | pondlife | Yes, this is (too) well known. |
17:23:25 | nerochiaro | saratoga: here it is: http://www.divshare.com/download/1596378-ad2 |
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17:24:34 | dionoea | amiconn, rasher: Well they have loads of strings defining stuff like USBDeviceTask, USBStatusTask, USBTaskTimeTask, MP3ExampleTask, VCUpdateTask which look a lot like thread names to use in case of a crash or something like that. |
17:25:01 | rasher | dionoea: ah, yeah, that's certainly not the calendar |
17:25:33 | dionoea | ;) |
17:26:11 | dionoea | I still haven't found the "SerialRemoteTask" yet though :( |
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17:27:24 | amiconn | Well, that's probably not a separate task |
17:28:51 | amiconn | All I found once was an exception handler, hooked to the division routine |
17:28:55 | nerochiaro | saratoga: http://www.divshare.com/download/1596408-2ae and this one spits out garbage in the simulator, although it doesn't crash it |
17:30:05 | * | pondlife reckons Cygwin will take about 3 hours to make the daily voices (for English only) without pooling.. |
17:30:16 | pondlife | Maybe a little less. |
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17:31:10 | dionoea | I also stumbled upon a "COP has crashed" routine :) Don't know if you can do anything but reboot the iPod once that's called :) |
17:31:39 | saratoga | nerochiaro: did you try these with your asf parser? |
17:31:52 | saratoga | i'm curious if it worked with them |
17:34:03 | nerochiaro | saratoga: they seem to work, except the one that spit out garbage, which does the same on my program too |
17:34:38 | saratoga | so i guess i can rule out our asf parser |
17:34:44 | saratoga | they play fine in ffmpeg too |
17:34:53 | saratoga | should be very interesting to debug |
17:34:53 | amiconn | pondlife: Uh? I would expect no more than half an hour with proper scripting - without a pool |
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17:35:55 | amiconn | It took me less than a minute per voice with the old vbscript. That's on a laptop, with a 1st generation Pentium M 1.5GHz |
17:35:55 | nerochiaro | saratoga: let me know what you find out please. i've also got another that crash rockbox simulator. i'll test some more and upload them all to a single place |
17:36:00 | rasher | amiconn: the problem is cygwin being dog-slow |
17:36:17 | pondlife | amiconn: This is a on a slow PC, running Cygwin and Bagder's perl script. Been running 50 mins now and about half the voice files made. |
17:36:31 | pondlife | Slow PC = Athlon64 3000+ |
17:36:55 | Thundercloud | That ain't slow |
17:36:58 | Thundercloud | I'm running that |
17:37:02 | rasher | I guess genvoice needs to be rewritten in perl to get any kind of speed on windows |
17:37:03 | Thundercloud | Now a Pentium 2 366 |
17:37:05 | Thundercloud | that's slow :) |
17:37:13 | pondlife | :) |
17:37:54 | pondlife | Or MakeVoices.vbs needs bringing back from the dead. |
17:38:35 | rasher | I don't think having multiple ways of building voice is a terribly good idea |
17:38:45 | rasher | This whole fiasco has shown that all too clearly |
17:38:45 | pondlife | No, I was kind-of joking |
17:38:55 | amiconn | pondlife: I think it's because of the way the current script works, not because of cygwin |
17:39:21 | amiconn | And perl would probably not be a good idea |
17:39:25 | rasher | amiconn: no. it's terribly, terribly slow even if it doesn't have to generate the clips (re-using from pool) |
17:39:58 | rasher | amiconn: why not? it's not like it's hard to tick off perl when you install cygwin |
17:40:27 | amiconn | Yeah, but the cygwin perl doesn't support the interface to use sapi object |
17:40:29 | amiconn | s |
17:40:45 | amiconn | That would require activestate perl, which doesn't come with windows, unlike vbscript |
17:40:54 | rasher | It could just do what's being done now and launch a vbscript for each clip |
17:41:07 | amiconn | Yeah, and that is part of the problem |
17:41:11 | pondlife | Yep |
17:41:11 | rasher | no |
17:41:13 | amiconn | We need a sapi server |
17:41:20 | rasher | That's really not the issue. The issue is that running any kind of shell script is awfully slow on cygwin |
17:41:36 | amiconn | The onld way did everything in a single vbscript, keeping the sapi engine open |
17:41:38 | rasher | Since it needs to launch many processes, which is very expensive on cygwin |
17:41:52 | rasher | amiconn: but that's not where the main slowdown is, it's cygwin itself. |
17:42:21 | amiconn | Ah, you mean the master script should be converted from sh to perl. That might be an idea |
17:42:28 | amiconn | cygwin itself is *not* slow |
17:42:36 | rasher | Well, launching new processes is |
17:42:37 | amiconn | It's the windows file api that's slow |
17:43:21 | rasher | Man, just creating the list of langauges in configure takes a couple of seconds |
17:44:22 | * | petur has plenty of windows apps that use the windows api and that are *very* fast |
17:44:48 | amiconn | petur: But those probably don't open dozens of files for each process created |
17:45:16 | petur | what sane program does? |
17:45:47 | amiconn | Yeah, good question. That means *nix shells are insane... |
17:46:33 | petur | still, I've had many compilers on windows, only those running in cygwin are slow |
17:47:03 | petur | </OT> |
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17:47:48 | * | amiconn recommends running ntfilmon, then compiling in other dev environment first, and in cygwin afterwards, and then compare the amount of file operations... |
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17:49:45 | nerochiaro | is it normal that the rockbox simulator crashes when i enter the system|version menu ? |
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17:57:48 | ripjack | Hi all. Is it possible to create a playlist of songs from different folders from within Rockbox (Gigabeat F) ? In the FAQ it only mentions playlists on the PC and I'm not exaclty sure I understand that either. Thanks |
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18:00:22 | GodEater | ripjack: this is covered in the manual |
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18:07:31 | markun | GodEater: look what you've done.. you scared him away |
18:07:43 | pondlife | That's GodEater's special skill. |
18:07:55 | GodEater | apart from arm-wrestling |
18:08:00 | pondlife | Natch |
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18:36:38 | * | amiconn received this defective 1st gen |
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18:36:52 | dnanar | hi all ! |
18:36:52 | * | amiconn hopes that he can make it work again |
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18:37:58 | dnanar | i'm looking for an US shop which sell new Cowon iAudio X 60GB or used Toshiba Gigabeat F60. Ebay seems to have nothing. Anyone knows one please ? |
18:38:18 | dnanar | Cowon iAudio X5* |
18:40:56 | dnanar | (US shop or, in fact, any shop which sell in all countries) |
18:41:49 | markun | dnanar: the chance of finding a F60 in a shop anywhere is very small I think |
18:43:00 | dnanar | arf =( |
18:43:37 | dnanar | so a cowon iAudio X5l (or a M5 but i think this is off topic) please ? :-) |
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18:44:39 | * | Domonoky thinks the iaudio m´s are also very rare.. but its rockboxable :-) |
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18:45:16 | webguest83 | austriancoder: contact me, I've used e200tool to dump the usb registers (0xc5000xxxx range) from my e250 |
18:45:34 | dnanar | Domonoky: arf =(( |
18:45:58 | dnanar | so just a X5 60GB please ? i do not find _anything_ with google |
18:47:06 | Domonoky | hm, x5 or x5l should be possible.. but i dont know for the us.. ( i found some german shops which have them aviable) |
18:47:22 | dnanar | ok |
18:47:39 | dnanar | could you give me german shop address anyway please ? =) |
18:49:56 | pondlife | Hmm, can I request that the front page is restricted to 3-4 news items, so the SVN table is higher up :) |
18:50:12 | Domonoky | dnanar: i found this one, dont know if this shop is good.. http://www.mp3-player.de/index.php?page=article&ID=2120&aid=158 |
18:50:14 | pondlife | My preference entirely, but the norm until recently. |
18:50:58 | pondlife | i.e. limit the distance between the sponsors and the SVN table |
18:51:21 | Domonoky | dnanar: but it seems they only deliver in europe. |
18:52:23 | dnanar | ah ok |
18:52:29 | pondlife | Anywhere sell the Gigabeat F60 at all? |
18:53:33 | dnanar | Domonoky: but i'm wandering: can i use any 1.8" hardrive in the cowon ? is the hardrive difficult to replace ? |
18:54:46 | dnanar | and, just another question : the only difference between X5V/X5 is that X5V has not a radio ? |
18:54:50 | Domonoky | dnanar: only if the drive has the right connector, and fits size wise.. |
18:55:27 | markun | dnanar: some info http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
18:56:55 | dnanar | markun & Domonoky: ok thanks |
18:57:07 | dnanar | and... is X5V supported by rockbox ? |
18:57:13 | amiconn | Looks like it's just the HDD, like I already suspected :) |
18:58:08 | Domonoky | dnanar: yes, all x and m´s are rockboxable :-) |
18:59:18 | Domonoky | dnanar: also amazon.com has some iaudios in the market place.. but i saw only 20 and 30 gig versions.. |
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19:00:12 | dnanar | ok thanks for the infos |
19:00:36 | pixelma | dnanar: correct about the X5V... and it is supported by rockbox (even though the "no radio" detection is broken at the moment) - about the HDs: the X5L models have a second battery pack which takes space so that they come with a single platter drive. Or you can have a dual platter one without the extra battery (that's the 60GB models) |
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19:01:10 | dnanar | and... in the rockbox wiki page, X5V harddrive is not precised. is it the same as X5 ? |
19:01:15 | dnanar | pixelma: ahh ok thanks |
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19:02:00 | dnanar | so, i could buy a Cowon iAudio X5V then a MK6006GAH to have 60GB, right ? |
19:02:49 | * | amiconn just booted rockbox on that 1st gen :D |
19:03:08 | amiconn | (with the disk from one of the 2nd gens swapped in) |
19:03:26 | amiconn | Wheel doesn't work yet, as expected |
19:03:39 | amiconn | (need to add the enable, already commented in the code) |
19:03:57 | * | alienbiker99 wants a cf card or working hd so i can make my 4gen ipod work |
19:03:59 | pixelma | should be - the X5s come in two different thick shells: the thinner one for the "normal" X5s with single platter HDs (20 or 30GBs) or a thicker shell which either is an X5L (say larger battery) also with a single platter one - or the 60GB dual platter models |
19:04:38 | Domonoky | now the question is, is the x5v a version with bigger shell, or not ? :-) |
19:05:31 | Domonoky | because the MK..GAH is dual plattern i think, so 8mm thick.. |
19:05:39 | amiconn | The X5V only comes with the thin shell afaik |
19:06:04 | Domonoky | then dnanars plan doesnt work :-) |
19:06:17 | amiconn | (because it's the el cheapo version of the X5 - wouldn't make sense with an expensive harddrive) |
19:06:18 | pixelma | dnanar: so you probably won't fit an 60GB drive in the X5V model, Domonoky's question would have to be answered - don't know that |
19:07:39 | pixelma | Domonoky: now, if there were ZIF adapters to connect the modern 60GB single platter drives... |
19:08:55 | dnanar | so i need a X5L player to use a 60GB hdd ? |
19:10:46 | pixelma | there are X5s with 60GB (factory made) |
19:12:47 | pixelma | buying an X5L and then replacing the hdd and take out the extra battery sounds a bit complicated to me |
19:13:03 | amiconn | Yeah, just buying an X5 60GB would be easier |
19:14:18 | pixelma | dnanar: unless maybe you already have the replacement drive and it would just collect dust otherwise and the X5L is cheaper or easier to get? |
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19:27:53 | amiconn | Wee, the 1st gen is now playing music :D (after making the wheel work) |
19:28:47 | amiconn | Battery doesn't read properly though. ADC driver seems to work like it should, but scale is different |
19:29:01 | amiconn | 6.34V simply can't be true ;) |
19:30:36 | amiconn | So, the simple BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR mechanism breaks on 1st/2nd gen port |
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19:33:20 | dnanar | pixelma: i don't understand what you wrote. I mean, do you know where i can buy a X5 with 60GB ? |
19:33:48 | amiconn | The plain X5 (not L, not V), comes in 20, 30 and 60 GB versions |
19:34:12 | amiconn | The X5L only comes as 20 or 30GB, and the X5V as 20GB only |
19:34:27 | dnanar | yes, ok, but where to get it the X5 80GB ? thats the problem =( |
19:34:41 | amiconn | The X5 60GB is the same thickness as the X5L |
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19:34:59 | amiconn | There is no such model |
19:35:26 | dnanar | oops i meant 60GB |
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19:36:10 | dnanar | ok, ive understood all this, but what i dont success, is to find a iaudio X5 (not L or V) with 60GB ? |
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19:42:11 | dnanar | anyone know a shop please ? :-) |
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19:53:10 | DerPapst | hi there :) |
19:53:20 | petur | good morning ;) |
19:53:30 | DerPapst | haha |
19:53:34 | amiconn | hi petur |
19:54:46 | amiconn | petur: It shouldn't be necessary to put (simple) backlight code in plugins into #ifdef HAVE_BACKLIGHT |
19:55:02 | petur | no? |
19:55:20 | petur | it was in the plugins |
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19:55:54 | amiconn | This is because the only target which comes stock without backlight is the Ondio, and since backlight is prepared on the PCB, it's relatively easy to mod it |
19:56:12 | petur | I was even planning to ifdef the whole thing, and repace the functions with an empty define on targets without |
19:56:33 | petur | still, it doesn't harm... |
19:56:47 | amiconn | So we decided to leave the backlight setup functions in the core (as dummy functions) in order to ensure api compatibility between plain SVN and backlight-enabled builds |
19:57:26 | amiconn | Of course all the settings are ifdefed, so the normal user won't get presented with a bunch of useless backlight options |
19:57:35 | amiconn | (and also to make the core smaller) |
19:57:41 | petur | ok, but the code can stay like it is now, not? |
19:58:19 | amiconn | It can, it's just a tiny bit more cumbersome for a user with a backlight modded Ondio (which are just 2 afaik) |
19:58:47 | petur | can't those just build with HAVE_BACKLIGHT? |
19:58:53 | amiconn | yes |
19:58:55 | * | pixelma hasn't tried yet |
19:58:56 | petur | so? |
19:59:07 | petur | they have to build their own anyway |
19:59:12 | amiconn | But it's for when you don't want to replace all plugins everytime, but just the core |
19:59:30 | amiconn | Writing to the Ondio is sloo-ooow, especially from windows |
19:59:43 | petur | ok, I'll put the ifdefs in comment then |
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20:00:03 | amiconn | As mentioned, it's a very minor thing... |
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20:00:39 | amiconn | The 2 users with a backlight modded Ondio I know are [IDC]Dragon and pixelma |
20:01:13 | pixelma | and XavierGr has a half-modded one (don't know if he really uses it though) |
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20:02:19 | rasher | Man, the italian language-file is fubar'ed |
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20:05:20 | * | amiconn wonders whether he should send a separate 'ladies and gentlemen' mail for the 1st gen |
20:05:33 | amiconn | It was dead simple in fact. Just the wheel enable.... |
20:05:42 | petur | go go go |
20:05:44 | amiconn | And the battery readout needs fixing |
20:05:52 | amiconn | But that's no biggie either |
20:05:58 | DerPapst | ah |
20:06:09 | DerPapst | you have recieved it today? |
20:07:03 | amiconn | yup |
20:07:26 | amiconn | The defective one, and it was just the hdd as I suspected |
20:07:45 | DerPapst | nice :) |
20:07:48 | amiconn | Since I also got that extra 2nd gen, the fix was simple - just swap in that hdd |
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20:07:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: You only have three ipods left - the two shuffles and the 2nd gen Nano... ;) |
20:08:19 | amiconn | I even didn't need to install the bootloader this way - it was already there :) |
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20:08:36 | alienbiker99 | i can just see it now, rockbox on the shuffle =P |
20:08:44 | pixelma | linuxstb: he'll do that after your Elio and AV300 port :P |
20:08:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: 1st gen shuffle isn't supported by gcc. And nobody knows how to run code on 2nd gen shuffle and 2nd gen nano |
20:08:53 | * | linuxstb shuts up again... |
20:08:55 | amiconn | alienbiker99: Voice ui... |
20:09:22 | * | alienbiker99 joins linuxstb in shutting up |
20:09:36 | amiconn | Of course most plugins wouldn't make sense, but you would no longer be limited to "in order or shuffle" |
20:09:51 | amiconn | All the standard rockbox playlist features would be available |
20:10:05 | linuxstb | Plus the different codec support... |
20:10:08 | amiconn | yup |
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20:10:24 | amiconn | Hmm, a shuffle port would probably profit most from TTS support |
20:10:52 | linuxstb | That SoC projects seems to be literally silent unfortunately... |
20:11:02 | * | amiconn will *eventually* also make an iAudio M3 port - let's see... |
20:11:43 | * | amiconn wonders whether someone already counted which contributor did how many ports, and who would be the top porter... |
20:11:51 | desowin | I'm just hoping that austriancoder will finish his SoC project |
20:12:07 | amiconn | Will be a little difficult if a target has more than one person working on the initial port |
20:12:43 | * | preglow only has nano |
20:12:44 | * | amiconn already did 5 ihrc |
20:13:24 | DerPapst | do you count G1 and G2 seperat? |
20:13:44 | amiconn | yes... probably a bit of cheating... |
20:14:01 | DerPapst | hehe ;) |
20:14:16 | * | DerPapst votes for 4 1/2 then |
20:14:17 | desowin | cheater! |
20:14:53 | Domonoky | we need to set up a prize for the first one who has ported 10 Targets :-) |
20:15:25 | * | amiconn did the Ondio SP (shared effort with [IDC]Dragon doing the Ondio FM), iPod Mini G2, iAudio M5, iPod 1st/2nd gen |
20:15:26 | linuxstb | So who gets the credit for the h1x0 port? |
20:15:39 | linuxstb | I guess LinusN for the low-level stuff? |
20:15:45 | pixelma | and the Mini and M5 ports were also not starting something _entirely_ different, like the gigabeat port or something |
20:16:17 | bluebrother | hmm, will this include porting rbutil? |
20:16:24 | bluebrother | *g* |
20:16:29 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Once it runs on DAPs, yes... |
20:16:40 | bluebrother | dang. No points for me then ... |
20:17:02 | petur | amiconn: which ondio doesn't have backlight? |
20:17:03 | amiconn | Hehe, a dap running rockbox that can install rockbox on other daps... |
20:17:19 | pixelma | petur: all stock Ondios... |
20:17:23 | petur | ok |
20:17:34 | bluebrother | Domonoky: have you noticed that you can use newlines in the lists? |
20:17:35 | Domonoky | if we have usb host, i could be possible.. *hehe* |
20:17:36 | desowin | linuxstb: does laptop count as DAP? ;-) |
20:17:38 | amiconn | petur: Both, but both can be modded the same way (same mainboard) |
20:17:58 | bluebrother | is quite nice imo for longer information like the manual flashing instructions on irivers |
20:18:04 | amiconn | Domonoky: Yes, or firewire on many ipods |
20:18:14 | Domonoky | bluebrother: ah newlines work in the progresslist ? thats nice :-) |
20:18:50 | bluebrother | I just haven't got html tags getting recognized. That would be nice too (and I guess it's possible −− at least, Qt is some kind of beast ;-) |
20:19:09 | amiconn | Of the mentioned ports, iAudio M5 and Mini G2 were the easiest |
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20:25:15 | alienbiker99 | didnt you also help get the ipod video 64mb working? |
20:26:02 | rasher | Huh.. can't I check out a specific file with svn? |
20:26:47 | bluebrother | can't you use the file as argument? |
20:27:00 | alienbiker99 | are the targets on the current build page arranged in any order? |
20:27:24 | rasher | http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#single-file-checkout The answer seems to be no. Infuriating. |
20:27:38 | bluebrother | alienbiker99: yes, by manufacturer |
20:29:46 | alienbiker99 | why are the irvier h10s out of place? |
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20:31:44 | webguest83 | petur: I'm trying out austriancoder's latest try, "mrh_try7.patch".. i have a few comments |
20:31:51 | * | petur hopes amiconn is happy now... |
20:32:06 | petur | hey webguest83! How are you? |
20:32:12 | petur | long time no see |
20:32:15 | webguest83 | petur: 1) the timer in MrH usb code was replaced with some timer−− thing |
20:32:24 | petur | 1) I know |
20:32:54 | webguest83 | petur: 2) he uses usb_handle_reset() in case of USB_BUS_RESET, which is not something MrH code does |
20:33:28 | webguest83 | petur: 3) I get wierd compiler warnings on his "struct confdata confdata" initialization |
20:33:51 | PaulJam | Hi, does someone know if the non working bootloader USB mode on h300 is a sign of faulty hardware. i've never had this problem in the past but since a few days it doesn't work anymore. (maybe this is related to the screw that i had lying around in the player causing random shutdowns?) |
20:34:47 | webguest83 | peutr: even since it looks good (even after I added the missing ".conf.iConfiguration = 0 "and ".iface.iInterface = 0" |
20:35:06 | DerPapst | PaulJam: is the bootloader stored on the hdd? if so maybe the hdd is just corrupted. |
20:35:33 | petur | Derpapst read that line you wrote... |
20:35:38 | PaulJam | DerPapst: no, the bootloader is in flash on hxxx targets |
20:35:44 | webguest83 | drivers/arcotg_udc.c:199: warning: missing initializer |
20:35:53 | webguest83 | drivers/arcotg_udc.c:199: warning: (near initialization for 'confdata.conf.bDescriptorType') |
20:36:14 | DerPapst | petur: what was wrong? i'm only familiar with iPods... |
20:36:39 | petur | he wasn't asking about ipod... |
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20:36:58 | DerPapst | i know. but other daps have their bootloader on the hdd too |
20:37:07 | dnanar | just a little question please: using rockbox, is there any difference on audio quality between apple ipod 5G and cowon iaudio X5 please ? |
20:37:20 | petur | PaulJam: I think the bootloader in SVN has this broken USB mode fixed |
20:37:27 | * | DerPapst just wanted to be helpfull :-/ |
20:37:31 | petur | webguest83: I'll have a look |
20:37:41 | webguest83 | petur: I have used e200tool to make a USB register dump, which I heard that he was interesting in |
20:37:50 | * | petur pats DerPapst on the back |
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20:42:34 | alienbiker99 | ii hope my refurb e250 isnt crap =\ |
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20:45:39 | petur | webguest83: can you put that dump somewhere? maybe the usb wiki page? |
20:46:05 | * | amiconn wonders what's the best place for a battery voltage reading function |
20:46:29 | amiconn | In target tree, but power-<target>.c or adc-<target>.c ? |
20:47:15 | DerPapst | wouldn't suspend be implemented in power-<target>.c? |
20:47:19 | amiconn | This can't be handled by a simple BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR anymore because of the 1st/2nd gen. For other targets, not much will change, only code will get moved around |
20:49:12 | amiconn | No. The handling will be put into powermgmt.c, and the suspend function itself will most probably be a separate module |
20:50:14 | webguest83 | petur: yes, hold on |
20:51:07 | DerPapst | then i think adc...c |
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20:59:25 | amiconn | Hmm, there's another problem: Should I really keep scaling to microvolt first? |
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21:00:16 | amiconn | The powermgmt code converts to centivolt, but uses the microvolt internally for its exponential averaging |
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21:08:27 | amiconn | Should we switch to using millivol all over? |
21:08:31 | amiconn | *millivolt |
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21:18:25 | * | petur votes for millivolt |
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21:25:25 | smail | hello |
21:26:06 | smail | could someone help me concerning the arm-elf-gcc ? |
21:27:08 | Domonoky | smail: just ask your question.. no need to ask t ask :-) |
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21:30:09 | smail | i have an error with ./rockboxdev.sh |
21:30:34 | smail | ../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/simplify-rtx.c: In function ‘simplify_unary_operation’: |
21:30:57 | linuxstb | smail: What's your OS? |
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21:31:00 | smail | ../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/simplify-rtx.c:365: internal compiler error: segmentation error |
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21:31:16 | smail | debian etch |
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21:32:26 | smail | kernel version 2.6.18-4-k7 |
21:35:09 | linuxstb | I can't help - I can't recall anyone reporting that error before... What's your host gcc version? |
21:36:32 | fxb | gcc-4.0.3 ? |
21:38:03 | smail | i got the gcc-4.1.2 already installed on the system |
21:38:44 | linuxstb | That's what I used (I think...). The current version I have installed is "gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070601 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-12)" |
21:39:03 | * | DerPapst used gcc-3.4.3 to run rockboxdev.sh |
21:39:10 | DerPapst | cygwin ;) |
21:39:42 | smail | what i'm supposed to do then ? |
21:41:35 | * | dandin1 tends an ear to the crickets. |
21:42:28 | dandin1 | Seems like you've hit an undescriptive error. |
21:42:31 | dandin1 | Try building an earlier version to see what happens? |
21:42:33 | linuxstb | smail: It's not really a rockbox-specific issue - rockboxdev.sh just downloads the gcc source, runs the configure script appropriately, then runs make. |
21:42:53 | smail | i see |
21:43:01 | dandin1 | Oh, sorry. I didn't see the begenning. *goes back into his hole* |
21:43:12 | linuxstb | You could try compiling it manually (see the CrossCompiler wiki page), and maybe see if you can seek support from the gcc people if you get the same problem. |
21:43:21 | smail | ok |
21:44:03 | smail | thank you for the advice |
21:44:16 | linuxstb | But stick around - maybe someone will read your problem in the logs and answer later... |
21:44:26 | smail | i will |
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22:19:44 | Bagder | bluebrother: 302 is also a valid redirect |
22:20:52 | bluebrother | oh? Seems the page I was looking it up lied to me ;-) |
22:20:52 | bluebrother | well, quick fix :) |
22:21:25 | Bagder | Note: Many pre-HTTP/1.1 user agents do not understand the 303 |
22:21:25 | Bagder | status. When interoperability with such clients is a concern, the |
22:21:29 | Bagder | 302 status code may be used instead, since most user agents react |
22:21:30 | Bagder | to a 302 response as described here for 303. |
22:21:58 | * | bluebrother should have looked it up on w3.org initially |
22:22:05 | Bagder | rfc2616 |
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22:24:44 | DerPapst | hey jbit ;) |
22:24:50 | jbit | hey :) |
22:24:51 | * | petur still likes rfc1149 more... |
22:25:09 | Bagder | :-) |
22:25:23 | Bagder | pigeons are nice |
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22:27:51 | webguest83 | petur: here's the usb dump: http://www.rarhost.com/download-4ifdin.html |
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22:29:03 | petur | webguest83: thanks! |
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22:30:18 | * | petur goes looking for a tool to unpack rar |
22:30:25 | * | low_light has the c200 bootloader running in the sansa emulator with the display working |
22:30:48 | low_light | runs up to "insert usb" |
22:30:53 | jbit | Neovanglist: yo :) |
22:31:08 | Bagder | low_light: rocking! |
22:31:38 | Bagder | petur: unrar |
22:31:44 | Bagder | (in debian) |
22:31:48 | linuxstb | What's the difference between the c200 and e200 ? Looking at the list of features they seem very similar.. |
22:31:55 | linuxstb | petur: One moment and I'll give you a zip... |
22:32:11 | * | petur does the apt-get dance |
22:32:13 | Bagder | the c200 has a PP5021 something |
22:32:15 | low_light | linuxstb: size |
22:32:16 | linuxstb | petur: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usb_dump1.zip |
22:32:21 | Bagder | with an external ams chip |
22:32:27 | * | petur stops dancing |
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22:33:07 | linuxstb | Anyone know if the c200 intended to replace the e200? |
22:33:12 | low_light | toni should clean up the emulator and put it in svn. It's been a lifesaver. |
22:33:21 | DerPapst | ah.. linuxtb was faster :P |
22:33:22 | petur | linuxstb: thanks |
22:33:33 | DerPapst | http://217.235.72.8/dump1.zip |
22:33:34 | DerPapst | ^^ |
22:33:36 | Bagder | linuxstb: I don't think so, I think it is smaller and just meant as a little brother |
22:33:49 | linuxstb | It also seems more expensive... |
22:34:34 | linuxstb | Maybe not... |
22:34:51 | low_light | I got two c250's on ebay...one for $15 (with cables) one for $5 |
22:34:59 | Bagder | gosh |
22:35:06 | low_light | too hard to resist :) |
22:35:12 | alienbiker99 | i think the e200 replaced the c200 |
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22:35:35 | low_light | the c200 replaced the c100 ;) |
22:38:12 | n1s | haha, a 2gb c200 costs a whole 4 SEK (about 50 US cents) less than a 2gb e200 here :-) |
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22:46:36 | webguest83 | petur: thanks, just want to help the usb effort |
22:47:02 | petur | webguest83: you are thanked. drop in more ;) |
22:48:29 | amiconn | hmmmm |
22:48:53 | webguest83 | petur: hm.. now I'm going to make a similar register dump in rockbox when austriancoders code is going to send usb packets |
22:48:54 | amiconn | Going millivolt will require changing lots of places :/ |
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22:54:55 | amiconn | There's another tiny difference between between 1st and 2nd gen hardware - the 2nd gen backlight has a built-in short fade-out |
22:55:10 | amiconn | (but that's not very useful due to the backlight inversion) |
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23:01:55 | linuxstb | markun: Can you work out the license for aones? ljgp32 doesn't seem to have any license at all - just an "all rights reserved" header in the source (or no headers at all...). |
23:06:35 | n1s | anyone familiar with the peak meter code? or a serious user? |
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23:07:16 | viss_ | this is the same #rockbox that throws these logs, yes?: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070815 |
23:07:59 | Bagder | yes |
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23:08:08 | viss_ | neat |
23:08:17 | viss_ | you guys have been linking a TON of my stuff in here |
23:08:18 | viss_ | :) |
23:08:21 | viss_ | (thats a good t hing) |
23:08:24 | viss_ | i was gonna say |
23:08:42 | Bagder | your stuff being... ? |
23:08:43 | viss_ | if any of you guys have flickr accounts (there are free versions available) please add tags and whatnot to the pictures you guys find |
23:08:51 | viss_ | www.flickr.com/photos/vissago |
23:09:09 | viss_ | all the lost box pictures, all the links to thaumatocracy.com, and some closing ceremony pictures |
23:09:13 | Bagder | ah |
23:09:44 | viss_ | but yeah, im sort of trying to crowdsource some of the efforts as I have something like 500 pictures from defcon15 ;b |
23:09:46 | Bagder | we link a ton of stuff everywhere |
23:09:48 | * | DerPapst spots a rockbox logo http://www.flickr.com/photos/vissago/1114052689/ |
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23:10:10 | Bagder | DerPapst: yeah, that's the main reason we started watching those pics |
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23:10:48 | viss_ | logo? |
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23:10:52 | viss_ | heh |
23:11:00 | Bagder | scorche |
23:11:07 | viss_ | which one is he? |
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23:11:16 | Bagder | he's the one with the rockbox shirt |
23:12:17 | viss_ | i see |
23:12:47 | * | pixelma discovered en even nicer pic of scorche... =) |
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23:13:00 | viss_ | well, in either case, i encourage people to tag the photos |
23:13:04 | viss_ | itll make them easier to find in the future ;b |
23:13:16 | viss_ | speaking of which, while im on flickr, i need to tag all the minibosses pictures. |
23:13:19 | viss_ | sec |
23:13:29 | Bagder | we don't need tags now when we have the urls in the log already ;-) |
23:13:36 | DerPapst | pixelma: which? |
23:14:17 | viss_ | haha |
23:14:18 | viss_ | well |
23:14:23 | viss_ | whatever you guys want ;b |
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23:14:38 | viss_ | i just wanted to tell you folks that the pictures are open to be tagged publically |
23:14:50 | viss_ | meaning you dont have to friend me to add a tag to say, a picture where you see yourself |
23:16:36 | viss_ | anyway, thanks again for the inbound links :) |
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23:25:06 | webguest57 | is there an auto installer for rockbox? |
23:25:45 | bluebrother | no |
23:25:57 | bluebrother | we have Rockbox Utility but that is still in the works |
23:26:07 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility |
23:27:15 | webguest57 | does the winstaller work? |
23:27:30 | bluebrother | winstaller? What winstaller= |
23:27:59 | webguest57 | the windows rockbox utility |
23:28:17 | bluebrother | well, it runs. |
23:28:25 | DerPapst | webguest57: what player do you have? |
23:28:36 | bluebrother | it _does_ something. It just isn't finished yet. |
23:28:43 | bluebrother | and it's quite safe to try yourself ... |
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23:28:50 | webguest57 | 5.5g ipod |
23:29:00 | DerPapst | then i recommend the manual |
23:29:18 | DerPapst | installation on ipods is fairly easy |
23:29:31 | DerPapst | and whatever you do you can't brick your iPod |
23:29:39 | webguest57 | do you know where I can find a simple guide? |
23:29:45 | DerPapst | yes |
23:29:49 | DerPapst | in the manual |
23:29:51 | bluebrother | *sic* |
23:30:00 | webguest57 | ok |
23:30:02 | bluebrother | the manual is recommended in any case |
23:30:23 | DerPapst | a link is on the left navigation bar |
23:31:00 | bluebrother | as it is important to get the idea behind Rockbox' interface. |
23:31:30 | webguest57 | ok |
23:32:25 | * | n1s looks in docs/MAINTAINERS |
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23:32:56 | bluebrother | hmm, seems I haven't broken anything new ... |
23:33:01 | webguest57 | Looks like I don't have Adobe Reader :S |
23:33:13 | DerPapst | use the html version then |
23:33:14 | linuxstb | You don't need it - view the manual online (in html) |
23:33:42 | n1s | hmm, peakmeters aren't even mentioned, seems LinusN did a lot of it but he's not here... |
23:33:45 | webguest57 | i know, but with my internet connection, i want the pdf lol |
23:34:08 | DerPapst | whatever ;) |
23:34:14 | linuxstb | You can download a zip file with the html... |
23:34:22 | * | bluebrother wonders what's so funny about a slow internet connection |
23:34:36 | webguest57 | its not slow, i have a crappy router |
23:34:41 | DerPapst | maybe that it still exists? |
23:35:00 | DerPapst | 28,8kbps? |
23:35:06 | bluebrother | linuxstb: that's too easy *g* |
23:36:01 | DerPapst | and the modem is that kind of thing where you put your phone on... and then they talk inary to each other ;) |
23:36:29 | DerPapst | *binary even |
23:36:33 | bluebrother | talking modems? wow :D |
23:36:54 | homielowe | hello may I have some wiki write access (EricLowe) |
23:36:57 | webguest57 | WRT300N at 130Mbps, $200, and it can't even take a little interference |
23:37:25 | webguest57 | normally my speend is like 270Mbps |
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23:38:17 | bluebrother | homielowe: done. |
23:38:31 | homielowe | bluebrother: thanks :p |
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23:42:56 | webguest57 | whats a good build to use? the current build? |
23:44:13 | linuxstb | yes |
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23:44:38 | webguest57 | wich one do i pick for my 30gb 5.5g? |
23:44:52 | DerPapst | ipod video build |
23:44:55 | linuxstb | webguest57: Read the manual... |
23:44:58 | DerPapst | not the 64MB one |
23:45:05 | webguest57 | ok |
23:46:10 | * | linuxstb notices Bagder has exactly 10000 commits according to ohloh - congratulations! |
23:46:21 | * | Bagder bows |
23:46:25 | Bagder | a pretty number |
23:46:45 | linuxstb | And 16 kudos, another pretty number |
23:46:50 | rasher | I added a warning about not using the 64mb build on 30gb ipod video to the manual. Don't know if I worded it right |
23:47:03 | Bagder | sounds like a good idea |
23:47:11 | linuxstb | Was the idea of calling them 30GB and 60/80GB builds rejected? |
23:47:15 | DerPapst | indeed |
23:47:39 | DerPapst | hopefully not |
23:47:45 | Bagder | hm |
23:47:51 | rasher | linuxstb: I don't see why it should be, but there seemed to be at least some resistance |
23:47:56 | Bagder | I wonder if I managed to undo that naming |
23:47:57 | rasher | I put the warning in for now |
23:48:07 | Bagder | when we moved servers |
23:48:10 | linuxstb | It's technically wrong to call them that, but it's probably far less confusing. |
23:48:53 | linuxstb | Bagder: Ah, so they were called that at one point? |
23:49:13 | rasher | I agree. The fact that you can run the 32mb build on 60/80gb ipods is mostly academical |
23:49:14 | Bagder | yes, I remember that I changed that at some point |
23:49:29 | Bagder | I'll do the change again now |
23:49:29 | rasher | And anyone who knows to do this should know enough to pick the right build anyway |
23:49:43 | * | DerPapst guesses "iPod Video 60/80GB (64MB)" and "iPod Video 30GB (32MB)" are too long names.. and might be confusing as well :/ |
23:50:14 | Bagder | so reload now to get a feel for it |
23:50:32 | Bagder | this is probably a lot clearer to most users |
23:50:38 | DerPapst | :) |
23:51:06 | rasher | I agree. |
23:51:21 | linuxstb | As we're clarifiying the downloads, what about a separate download page with just that table on it? |
23:51:49 | Bagder | like on the current download page? |
23:51:54 | Bagder | which has nothing atm |
23:52:18 | linuxstb | What page do you mean? |
23:52:21 | Bagder | hm, perhaps not as its called "releases" in the menu |
23:52:21 | rasher | Like the manual page? |
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23:52:59 | rasher | "Current build" could simply show the downloads, and another link for "development stats" or something |
23:53:13 | linuxstb | I guess something like daily.shtml, but with the table from http://build.rockbox.org |
23:53:18 | linuxstb | s/table/download table/ |
23:53:35 | Bagder | or I just change the order on the build page... |
23:53:45 | rasher | Good idea |
23:54:13 | linuxstb | I think it would nicer for users to not see the dev stuff - keep the download page clean and simple. |
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23:56:20 | amiconn | Hmm, do we want the voltage displayed with 3 decimals in user screens? |
23:56:46 | amiconn | I guess that would fake a precision that doesn't really exist.... |
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23:57:17 | * | bluebrother does the themes-installation-commited dance |
23:57:18 | pixelma | it's a bit odd that the 2 Ipod Video builds are on two rows, I think it would be nicer and even less confusing to see them side by side |
23:57:26 | bluebrother | now let's see what I broke ;-) |
23:58:31 | linuxstb | pixelma: True. The two H10 builds could be moved before the ipods - after the other irivers. |
23:58:55 | amiconn | The ipods should also be sorted by generation imho |