00:00:02 | malsyned | parafin: I mean, on the iPod with the built-in firmware, scrolling through a huge list of artist names is not painfully slow. with RockBox, however, it is. |
00:00:13 | parafin | i see |
00:00:16 | parafin | there is a patch |
00:00:28 | malsyned | yeah? can you point me at it? |
00:00:44 | parafin | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 |
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00:01:35 | malsyned | nice! thanks! |
00:01:41 | parafin | i don't remember is it up2date, if not, i can give you version that applies clean |
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00:05:28 | parafin | does anyone use http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4840 ? |
00:05:43 | parafin | i guess nobody, because is doesn't work... :/ |
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00:12:28 | * | n1s is seriously lost in settings_list.c all those macros... |
00:13:40 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do I remember correctly that you have a gigabeat? |
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00:14:31 | * | petur completely understands n1s |
00:16:39 | Bagder | 32800 zips downloaded from build.rockbox.org so far in august |
00:17:29 | Bagder | 49% being ipod video... |
00:18:01 | parafin | well ipod video rulez, but native firmware suxx :) |
00:18:17 | parafin | it even doesn't play flacs |
00:18:39 | n1s | Bagder: we should allocate more resourses to ipod vide development! :-P |
00:18:52 | parafin | yeah. yeah :) |
00:19:01 | Bagder | yes, we better hire some fresh blood |
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00:22:36 | parafin | hmm |
00:22:53 | parafin | i can't understand why jpeg_zoom patch doesn't work |
00:22:57 | parafin | it seems fine |
00:25:10 | n1s | parafin: of all our target IIRC only the iaudios play flac in their OF |
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00:27:25 | parafin | well alsa ipod official firmware stores music in strange way |
00:28:46 | parafin | aha, i found stupid typo in that patch |
00:29:09 | parafin | i think |
00:31:17 | robin0800 | Bagder,bloods no good need bodies |
00:31:55 | petur | wtf? the plugins where I changed the backlight code now all freeze, except for mpegplayer |
00:32:24 | parafin | there is some practical use for mpegplayer? =) |
00:33:07 | pixelma | petur: turn spelling filenames on and even mpegplayer won't be fun... |
00:33:35 | pixelma | (needs a voice file present I believe) |
00:35:17 | parafin | why ipod has 2 partitions on disc? |
00:35:27 | amiconn | parafin: Sure there is. Don't draw conclusions based on just one target |
00:35:41 | linuxstb | parafin: One partition is for the firmware. |
00:36:08 | parafin | hmm... there goes rockbox bootloader? |
00:36:16 | amiconn | The iPod video is no fun at all, since its lcd update is awfully slow. Nobody stepped forward and figured out the video capabilities of the chip |
00:36:21 | linuxstb | parafin: yes |
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00:36:45 | amiconn | On H10, iPod color and Gigabeat, mpegplayer is completely smooth |
00:37:37 | parafin | well, i hope some day it will be smooth on ipod video too. |
00:37:55 | parafin | and ipod video would run more time on batarreis |
00:38:04 | linuxstb | That will almost certainly require using the broadcom chip |
00:38:24 | parafin | there is no spec? |
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00:38:39 | amiconn | ahaaahaa, good joke ;) |
00:38:50 | amiconn | Broadcom and specs.... |
00:39:15 | ze | ya know for the potential capabilities along with the widespread distribution of the device |
00:39:28 | ze | i'm almost surprised if nobody'll do a cleanroom driver like they did for the wifi |
00:39:31 | ze | heh |
00:39:36 | ze | i guess nobody cares about it as much |
00:40:12 | amiconn | The ipod video is just one target among many, and the chip is only used there |
00:40:22 | parafin | yeah, i fixed jpeg_zoom patch |
00:40:24 | linuxstb | It's not a matter of a driver, IIUC, it's a complete SoC in its own right - an unknown (speculated to be MIPS-like I think) CPU, plus DSP. |
00:40:26 | amiconn | And figuring out the PP is already difficult enough |
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00:47:37 | pixelma | n1s: found a small problem with the unification of the "Gain" strings - it is used in the recording screen where it was shortened in the german translation for example, so that it fits on the Archos displays - and now it would either don't fit or has to be unnecessarily shortened in the EQ settings... |
00:47:54 | pixelma | the root of the problem might be something else though |
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00:54:53 | pixelma | I compared with the up to date swedish language file (the term has a comparable length) - there only the "dB" at the end of the line in the recording screen aren't visible on Ondio - I think I can find a compromise... |
00:55:03 | parafin | what is format of apps/plugins/viewers.config? extension,pluginname,numberoficon ? |
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01:04:05 | petur | thanks :) |
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01:06:14 | n1s | pixelma: I don't think duplicating strings is the way to go here, and btw the shortened string can be hwcodec only as they don't have eq anyway it doesn't matter much |
01:08:10 | pixelma | I don't say it should be duplicated, just stating my problem here |
01:09:13 | pixelma | I like that hwcodec suggestion, didn't think of it |
01:11:19 | pixelma | though it's not really "clean" - the feature itself doesn't have to do with the line not fitting on the screen |
01:11:26 | n1s | pixelma: this does however raise another question, is it possible to have that shortened string only available in deutsch.lang or does it have to bee included in english.lang too? I guess it needs to be in english.lang, just don't thin anyone tried... |
01:12:23 | pixelma | you mean having different exceptions from the master language? |
01:12:33 | pixelma | s/from/than |
01:12:38 | n1s | pixelma: maybe introduce a new feature, like small_lcd or something, there are a few strings with shorter variants for ondios and players |
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01:12:54 | n1s | pixelma: yes, but I don't think that will work |
01:13:21 | pixelma | n1s: but that won't be true for the recording screen on the irvier remote btw... |
01:13:37 | n1s | pixelma: ah true |
01:13:42 | petur | hmmm build server stuck :( |
01:13:59 | parafin | strange, i'm trying to get gifview patch working |
01:14:10 | parafin | /home/parafin/junk/src/rockbox-20070815/build/apps/plugins/gifview.o: In function `loadgif': |
01:14:10 | * | petur pokes B4gder |
01:14:11 | parafin | gifview.c:(.text+0xf58): undefined reference to `memcpy' |
01:14:19 | pixelma | n1s: the only clean solution would be viewports maybe... ;) |
01:14:21 | parafin | but there is no call to memcpy... |
01:14:25 | n1s | UI programming in rockbox is becomming quite complicated... |
01:15:06 | n1s | petur: I would guess he's asleep... |
01:15:12 | petur | parafin: the call is made by gcc |
01:15:43 | pixelma | n1s: I'll go with my "little bit shortened" version for the moment |
01:16:06 | n1s | parafin: do this after you declare the rb pointer MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb); |
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01:16:33 | pixelma | or maybe missing the "dB" isn't that important? At least I can see the number... |
01:16:43 | n1s | pixelma: there are many places where there is no optimal solution unfortunately... |
01:16:43 | petur | n1s: we'll see how high that counter goes then... |
01:17:13 | parafin | n1s, there is ; or not? |
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01:17:59 | parafin | no |
01:18:01 | parafin | thanx |
01:18:14 | n1s | parafin: you should have a line like this in your plugin static struct plugin_api* rb;, put the other line directly after it |
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01:18:18 | n1s | petur? |
01:18:22 | petur | parafin: are you updating patches? If you think some have been forgotten and should really make it, you can always mention them here (aka nagging) |
01:18:42 | amiconn | Wow 92KB .diff and growing... |
01:18:53 | petur | n1s: "Build should have been done 12m 20s ago, at 01:06:26" |
01:19:00 | petur | and counting |
01:19:02 | parafin | n1s, i understood, i asked about is it MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb) or MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb); |
01:19:15 | n1s | petur: ah, I'm half asleep :-) |
01:19:36 | amiconn | Bagder: ping... |
01:19:55 | pixelma | petur already tried... |
01:20:08 | n1s | parafin: you should include the ; or else it will not compile |
01:20:23 | petur | pixelma: no, I tried B4gder ;) |
01:20:26 | parafin | n1s, why? it compiled fine without ; |
01:20:47 | n1s | parafin: oh, guess it's not needed then |
01:21:38 | parafin | petur, you mean that, this is a work for authors of patches? |
01:21:55 | parafin | it's just plain faster to do it myself :) |
01:22:14 | petur | no I mean adding to svn |
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01:23:39 | parafin | well, it's allready 7 working patches i applied and one that doesn't work =) |
01:24:18 | parafin | but most of them needed updating |
01:25:47 | parafin | i'll post after sleep updated versions on tracker, so you'll see :) |
01:26:48 | amiconn | Hmpf |
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01:27:23 | parafin | hmm, there is a bug in albumart patch |
01:27:38 | parafin | it shifts bmp 1 pixel up |
01:28:04 | * | amiconn would like to commit his powermgmt split, but doing so without getting proper feedback from the build system is kinda scary :( |
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01:28:34 | n1s | amiconn: no-one will see the red :-) |
01:29:50 | parafin | gifview actually works |
01:29:52 | parafin | cool |
01:30:25 | pixelma | n1s: btw... just saying because your sentence sounded as if the Ondios were a special case - they have the same display like the other bitmapped Archos :) |
01:32:13 | amiconn | The commit would touch 43 files, 14 of the are new |
01:32:15 | n1s | pixelma: right, it was probably this comment from LANG_DISK_NAME_MMC i remembered "(Ondio; keep short!)" |
01:32:56 | parafin | it's very simple though, only displays gif without scaling |
01:33:02 | n1s | amiconn: I'd say commit and fix it tomorrow, unless you plan to go missing for an extended period of time :-) |
01:33:46 | amiconn | I also want to see the delta, which might indicate that I overlooked things |
01:33:52 | parafin | oh, it doesn't work very well |
01:34:02 | n1s | anyway, goodnight |
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01:34:43 | parafin | well, at least it doesn't crash rockbox how dict2 does =) |
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01:35:02 | petur | I wonder what's wrong, it looks like all builds made it... |
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01:36:13 | petur | ...but not the source archive |
01:36:38 | Nico_P | amiconn: the WPS tokenizer patch was'nt far from 200 KB :) |
01:37:02 | amiconn | Yeah, but you didn't commit into a hanging build state iirc |
01:37:15 | Nico_P | indeed I did not |
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01:38:03 | Nico_P | mabe Bagder should give a trusted someone access to the build server to avoid this kind of problem |
01:38:23 | Nico_P | the swedes are all in bed... |
01:40:18 | parafin | hmm, albumart patch shifts even 2 pixels, not one... bad patch, bad |
01:40:24 | * | amiconn is in the same timezone... |
01:40:56 | * | parafin in GMT+4, it's even easter :) |
01:41:05 | scorche | he typically goes to bed around an hour:40 ago |
01:42:01 | scorche | part of the issue (from what i understand) is that it is a company server |
01:42:09 | pixelma | and according to Murphy's Law the build servers get stuck later... |
01:43:03 | petur | hmmm it's been a while since I had a Murphy... |
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01:54:13 | parafin | there is no way to turn off ipod while usb cable is pluged? |
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01:59:00 | pixelma | genlang only picks up changes depending on features in the "source" part of the phrase - not in the "dest" or "voice" part? :\ |
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02:03:31 | whitej8 | any body running rockbox on a gen5.5 30G video? |
02:04:15 | whitej8 | do video podcast work? |
02:04:47 | whitej8 | are there any recommendations for syncing from debian? |
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02:07:09 | parafin | strange |
02:07:57 | parafin | vertical size of album art is 97, but should be 100 |
02:08:05 | parafin | what the? |
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02:51:17 | whitej8 | I'm new to irq I posted a question before having to restart. Is it still active or do I need to repeat? |
02:51:38 | krazykit | well, the question is still on our screen |
02:51:46 | whitej8 | thats what I thought |
02:51:47 | whitej8 | thanks |
02:51:56 | krazykit | and video podcasts sorta kinda work |
02:52:05 | krazykit | you can still sync them to the OF with amarok or whatever you use |
02:52:11 | whitej8 | I've been reading |
02:52:22 | whitej8 | everything is over 1 year old |
02:52:23 | krazykit | or you could run the files through a script that converts them to mpeg2 |
02:52:33 | whitej8 | the OF? |
02:52:37 | krazykit | and then adds them to your player. some simple bash script could do it |
02:52:39 | krazykit | original firmware |
02:53:00 | whitej8 | most of the video is generated by my mythtv |
02:53:05 | whitej8 | as mp4 |
02:53:20 | krazykit | yeah, you can't play mpeg4 video on rockbox. |
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02:55:01 | whitej8 | will amarok sync with the OF? |
02:55:25 | krazykit | music, for sure. dunno about video |
02:55:38 | krazykit | not having an ipod, i haven't looked at any of the offerings |
02:55:42 | whitej8 | I'm a bit confused about the new filesystem that rockbox uses |
02:55:51 | whitej8 | can it be accessed by the OF? |
02:55:52 | krazykit | ...fat32? |
02:56:12 | krazykit | let's see if i can explain it |
02:56:30 | whitej8 | I've recently replaced MacOSX with debian on my iBook |
02:56:39 | whitej8 | so I dont have access to iTunes anymore |
02:56:56 | krazykit | the OF uses the iTunes database to know where the files are located. it renames them to stupid 4-letter filenames and such. the apple firmware can NOT see anything outside of that |
02:57:09 | whitej8 | thats what I thought |
02:57:22 | krazykit | so for video, you have two options |
02:57:36 | krazykit | use the OF with whatever will sync to it (preferred, in the case of the ipod) |
02:57:55 | krazykit | or download the podcasts, re-encode them to mpeg2, then transfer them |
02:58:29 | whitej8 | I'm hoping to go with option 1 but I havent found anything that will sync video podcast |
02:59:15 | krazykit | gtkpod might do it. |
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02:59:18 | krazykit | MIGHT. |
02:59:22 | Soap | anapod |
02:59:39 | whitej8 | my old mp3 player was a Neuros so the ability to play ogg would be a great plus but I'm not sure I'm ready to replace the firmware on the ipod |
02:59:54 | Soap | but that is really a subject for another #IRC channel. (solutions to Apple Original Firmware questions that is) |
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03:00:42 | Soap | but wikipedia, I believe, has a chart of all the iPod database programs (anapod, gtkpod, elphpod, sharepod, yamipod, etc) and their features. |
03:00:51 | whitej8 | sweet |
03:00:54 | whitej8 | I'll check that out |
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03:05:23 | Soap | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_iPod_Managers |
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03:11:31 | scorche | ugh...i am being such an idiot today... |
03:18:31 | sarixe | yeah, i agree :P |
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03:20:54 | scorche | hmph...you arent allowed to agree! |
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03:31:42 | whitej8 | thanks for the 411 and the link to wikipedia |
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04:27:43 | sakamoto | hi |
04:28:00 | sakamoto | i do not follow rockbox developments closely |
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04:28:29 | sakamoto | however i would like to know if there's any progress in nano 2nd gen support |
04:28:36 | scorche | there isnt |
04:28:41 | sakamoto | k |
04:28:51 | sakamoto | what's the reason? |
04:28:52 | scorche | you can see any progress in the thread in the new ports forum |
04:29:00 | sakamoto | lemme check |
04:29:01 | scorche | it is listed in that thread |
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04:39:55 | sakamoto | hmmm ... pretty stuck at the moment |
04:40:49 | sakamoto | have all latest ipod models they same unsupported samsung chip? |
04:40:58 | sakamoto | or is nana 2g specific |
04:41:03 | sakamoto | is it* |
04:41:11 | sakamoto | nano* |
04:41:23 | sakamoto | *sjeez* |
04:41:28 | sakamoto | ;) |
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05:01:21 | scorche | just the 2nd gen nano |
05:14:08 | * | tonyyarusso just bought that and found out :( |
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07:10:01 | amiconn | Bagder: build *still* hanging :( |
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07:47:44 | benners | has anyone in here even taken an interest in porting the iRiver pmp-120 and pmp-140 players for rockbox? |
07:48:49 | scorche | 402 min...is that a new record? |
07:50:18 | daurnimator | ??? |
07:50:38 | scorche | doubt it...still a while though |
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07:57:47 | Transience | was anyone here involved with the iPod port? |
07:58:08 | Transience | i've got a question about firmware checksums |
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08:02:57 | Transience | was anyone here involved with any of the sucessfull ports? |
08:03:09 | Transience | i don't mean to exclude |
08:04:16 | aliask | Transience: Just ask your question, and if someone knows the answer they will respond |
08:04:48 | Transience | well i'm trying to figure out how the checksums on the sucessfull ports were dealt with |
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08:05:26 | Transience | i'm working on the ZVM port, but i'd rather not re-invent the wheel |
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08:05:48 | aliask | Which checksums? The rockbox binary checksum? |
08:05:49 | alienbiker99 | im not sure, but i dont think any of the ports had checksums like the zvm |
08:05:54 | Transience | really? |
08:05:57 | alienbiker99 | i think he means in the firmware |
08:06:03 | Transience | i thought the iPod firmware had a checksum in it |
08:06:22 | scorche | well, if you want info on the iPod port, ask linuxstb |
08:06:48 | Transience | ok |
08:07:09 | Transience | well not necesarily the ipod port |
08:07:27 | Transience | any port where the stock firmware contained a checksum |
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08:07:51 | Transience | if something like this has been beaten before |
08:07:59 | Transience | i'd like to know how it was done |
08:08:06 | amiconn | That really depends on what checks the original firmware, its flashing routine, bootloader, etc does |
08:08:19 | Transience | well the bootloader on the ZVM does |
08:08:32 | Transience | is this the case for any of the other ports? |
08:08:41 | ptw419 | have you tried to overwrite the opcodes that check against the checksum? |
08:08:53 | Transience | i can't |
08:08:59 | Transience | as far as i know |
08:09:09 | Transience | the bootloader that's already on the player does the checking |
08:09:24 | aliask | Can you dump the bootloader to examine the process? |
08:09:40 | Transience | well it's in the player's flash memory |
08:09:42 | Transience | not the HDD |
08:09:52 | Transience | how would i go about dumping the bootloader? |
08:10:04 | Transience | there's an FBOOT block in the firmware |
08:10:18 | Transience | but i'm not sure how to debug it |
08:10:23 | amiconn | Well, rockbox has to be adapted to each target's original bootloader in order to be loaded, one way or another |
08:10:34 | Transience | right |
08:10:50 | ptw419 | i looked a littel at the ZVM info at one point, doesn't it contain an nk.bin? |
08:11:12 | amiconn | What specific checks the original loader does is rather different per target |
08:11:12 | Transience | yeah that's the entire upgrade |
08:11:37 | amiconn | Some do none, some do simple checksums, and some do descrambling or decryption |
08:11:57 | alienbiker99 | doesnt the zvm checksum the firmware files before it lets it flash? |
08:11:58 | Transience | well the firmware upgrade isn't encrypted |
08:12:05 | amiconn | So there can be no general way to handle it |
08:12:17 | Transience | because the images used in the GUI can be easily extracted |
08:12:28 | Transience | no decryption needed |
08:12:33 | Transience | yeah |
08:12:43 | amiconn | Yeah, so it probably checks one or more checksums or signatures |
08:12:47 | Transience | if the check doesn't pass, the player rejects the update |
08:13:01 | amiconn | What checks that are needs to be reverse engineered per target |
08:13:02 | Transience | it's possible to get modified firmware onto the HDD |
08:13:16 | Transience | but it won't update with it |
08:13:49 | Transience | i can find the firmware on the HDD of the zen |
08:14:00 | Transience | using 010 editor's open drive tool |
08:14:11 | Transience | but i'm not sure that helps |
08:14:30 | ptw419 | i'm not sure how different the S is from ZVM, but both have an nk.bin. |
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08:14:42 | Transience | there's one checksum value at the end of the nk.bin file |
08:15:12 | ptw419 | the S was cracked by inserting a custom record into the nk.bin which contained an opcode that overwrote the sig check instruction in eboot.bin |
08:15:25 | Transience | s? |
08:15:30 | ptw419 | gigabeat S |
08:15:33 | Transience | ah |
08:16:00 | alienbiker99 | man, that build is still building |
08:16:26 | Transience | so the gigabeat's bootloader didn't check the firmware being passed to it? |
08:16:45 | Transience | i.e. it didn't check the firmware before upgrading? |
08:17:00 | aliask | It did, but we worked out the checksumming |
08:17:06 | Transience | how? |
08:17:09 | aliask | Or at least, it was worked out already by someone else |
08:17:13 | Transience | oh |
08:17:56 | ptw419 | i think the only checksums that were checked were the record checksums |
08:18:09 | Transience | the ZVM has 14 blocks in the firmware |
08:18:20 | Transience | the last seems to be a checksum |
08:18:33 | Transience | 10 are data |
08:18:40 | ptw419 | so even if a custom record was entered, if the checksum was valid it passed. aside from that, i believe it also checked time stamps, and also the signature |
08:18:45 | Transience | one is @TL |
08:18:49 | Transience | one is EXT0 |
08:18:55 | Transience | and the first is CINF |
08:19:08 | Transience | ok |
08:20:15 | Transience | i have the FBOOT block |
08:20:25 | Transience | which i figure is the bootloader upgrade |
08:20:45 | Transience | is there some way that i could examine it besides raw hex? |
08:21:15 | amiconn | LinusN: Could you please please kick the hanging build? |
08:21:25 | LinusN | sure |
08:22:04 | * | amiconn wanted to commit a pending 46-file change, but didn't dare to without being able to get status and size delta feedback |
08:22:51 | alienbiker99 | what happens to the files that arent built, do they get built on the next svn update? |
08:23:33 | amiconn | I would like to see a way to restart hanging builds if none of you 3 is around. Perhaps the build master could start a monitoring script the same time as it starts a build, and if it's not done in, say, 30 minutes, kick it |
08:24:21 | LinusN | amiconn: we have some ideas for that, but as always, more important things come in between |
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08:29:04 | LinusN | amiconn: build done |
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08:36:59 | aliask | Where is the tree is the rockbox svg logo? |
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09:12:05 | LinusN | amiconn: great commit |
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09:15:38 | ie | Hello. Does anybody know whether the FM radio in the european model of Sansa E200 series is disabled by the firmware or does it just lack the FM hardware? I asked this question yesterday but got no answer so far. |
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09:16:48 | ddalton | how do I search for text in emacs? like using the find feature in notepad. and how do I get emacs to do the indentation? |
09:18:32 | LinusN | ddalton: search by using ctrl-s |
09:18:33 | ie | ddalton: by searching (google?) emacs docs and doing what it says |
09:18:33 | linuxstb_ | ddalton: This may be helpful - http://www.hsrl.rutgers.edu/ug/emacs_qref.html |
09:19:14 | desowin | ie: lack of hardware |
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09:20:33 | desowin | ie: atleast it's information that I've seen here and there |
09:24:15 | ie | desowin: thanks |
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09:34:15 | B4gder | good to see a range of commits |
09:34:22 | B4gder | now i can work on my "ram usage" delta |
09:34:35 | B4gder | and really mess up the table |
09:34:58 | petur | this will be a separate table, no? |
09:35:14 | B4gder | I'm not sure, currently I've made a second line for each build |
09:35:22 | B4gder | I'll show an example soon |
09:36:05 | B4gder | http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/sizes2.html |
09:36:24 | B4gder | it's almost boring how the ram delta moves exactly as the bin delta |
09:36:32 | ie | B4gder: make this a hover tip? Or add two radio buttons to switch between disc and ram? |
09:36:55 | B4gder | hover is annoying since it doesn't give an overview |
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09:37:00 | hcs | B4gder: throw in some random noise to make it more exciting |
09:37:08 | B4gder | yay |
09:37:25 | ie | B4gder: what about radios? |
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09:37:44 | B4gder | ie: that'd require javascript fuu that I don |
09:37:47 | B4gder | 't posess |
09:38:23 | ie | B4gder: how did you implement the counter on the buidl page then? ;-) |
09:38:29 | B4gder | I didn't ;-) |
09:38:55 | B4gder | or rather, I managed to invoke the script but I got the script handed over to me |
09:41:43 | ie | B4gder: that should be rather simple. Two tables are generated in their own div blocks. And in the onclick event of the radio button you change the display style from none to visible |
09:42:29 | B4gder | can you write up a html page for me that I can copy and paste from? |
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09:51:07 | LinusN | hehe, i really like this theme: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#PenPaper |
09:53:06 | petur | now we need a scribble font :) |
09:53:59 | LinusN | yup |
09:54:14 | LinusN | he should join the logo contest :-P |
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09:55:57 | petur | LinusN: I still like that logo very much (the one next to RockBox on the main menu screenshot) |
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09:59:29 | einhirn | Hello all, I'd like to have Replaygain for the Archos (recorder) Target - to Implement it, I'd use the "DSP Volume Control" - am I correct to assume that I |
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10:00:27 | einhirn | have got the values 0-80000 Hex to set the Volume Gain? |
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10:01:58 | ie | B4gder: try this: http://www.pastebin.ca/660745 |
10:02:26 | B4gder | cool, thanks! |
10:03:49 | einhirn | Hmm - seems that I did get that value wrong... |
10:04:10 | B4gder | ie: I'll give it a shot in a while |
10:05:10 | pixelma | ie: about the radio in the european Sansas - there was a thread in the forums that claimed there are both: european models where the tuner chip is still there and only disabled in firmware and others without the chip (said to be on the anythingbutipod forums as well) |
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10:05:31 | pipoka | hello guys |
10:07:46 | ie | pixelma: how can you tell? Was it so that e.g. until a certain date all devices had the chip and then no chip (or vice versa)? Or does depend on the factory (if there are many)? Or...? |
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10:08:11 | B4gder | ie: nobody knows |
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10:08:30 | ie | B4gder: ... the troubles I've se-e-en... :-) |
10:08:41 | B4gder | or well, sandisk might known but they won't tell |
10:09:00 | B4gder | my contact actually said the fm was disabled in firmware only |
10:09:08 | pixelma | I don't know, the poster just said that some could enable it by putting the us firmware on |
10:09:19 | B4gder | but I know people tell that the chip is absent in (some) euro models |
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10:10:01 | pipoka | hey can any of u guys plz help me? |
10:10:16 | petur | pipoka: just ask the question |
10:10:22 | pipoka | thx =) |
10:10:29 | B4gder | nooo |
10:10:33 | B4gder | let us guess the question! |
10:10:40 | pipoka | ok guess it |
10:10:45 | * | petur guesses target = ipod |
10:10:59 | B4gder | "any of you guys want a lot of money for hanging around here all day for the rest of this year?" |
10:11:10 | * | hcs raises hand |
10:11:11 | pipoka | nooo =( |
10:11:18 | B4gder | hehe |
10:11:19 | petur | <g> |
10:11:21 | pipoka | hahaha |
10:11:34 | pipoka | actually, i got a gigabeat f20 |
10:11:46 | pipoka | heres the problem... |
10:12:25 | pipoka | i formatted it with windows and now i get a system error "no hdd found" |
10:12:28 | pipoka | =( |
10:12:35 | pipoka | any1 know what is it? |
10:15:49 | LinusN | petur: i like that one too |
10:16:41 | pipoka | anyone? |
10:16:59 | petur | pipoka: I get the feeling you shouldn't have formatted it... |
10:17:15 | LinusN | pipoka: it could be a problem with the partition table |
10:17:22 | pipoka | so.. in other words... im fucked? |
10:17:28 | LinusN | pipoka: nah |
10:17:39 | pipoka | i just throw it in the garbage? |
10:17:45 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures |
10:18:02 | petur | gigabeat has only one partition, correct? |
10:18:11 | pipoka | looks like... |
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10:19:03 | petur | does your pc see it when you conenct it? |
10:19:18 | pipoka | yes it does... |
10:19:35 | petur | hmmm... let's ping a specialist |
10:19:39 | pipoka | actually the gigabeat room does recornize it |
10:19:41 | * | petur pings markun |
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10:21:57 | petur | pipoka: you formatted it fat32? |
10:22:04 | pipoka | yepe... |
10:22:18 | petur | I think you have to copy the GBSYSTEM directory back on it |
10:22:34 | pipoka | then after i got the sytem error, i formatted it with the toshiba gormat program |
10:22:46 | pipoka | format* |
10:24:36 | pipoka | im trying it right now... |
10:26:42 | pipoka | well i copiedt the GBSYSTEM... |
10:27:16 | pipoka | now it appears like its in usb mode... but its not plugged in my pc |
10:27:23 | pipoka | thats weird o.O |
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10:28:20 | petur | pipoka: sorry I'm not very familiar with gigabeat... I think there's a #gigabeat channel maybe they can help |
10:28:44 | pipoka | no problem man... |
10:28:49 | pipoka | i will try that |
10:29:00 | pipoka | thanks for ur attention =D |
10:29:23 | pipoka | is that guy, markun, an specialist of gigabeats? |
10:29:31 | petur | yep |
10:29:33 | pipoka | can i try to contact him later? |
10:29:43 | petur | yep |
10:29:50 | pipoka | ok... =D |
10:29:57 | pipoka | thx man |
10:30:01 | pipoka | sleep well |
10:30:08 | B4gder | or post a question in the forum |
10:30:15 | * | petur is still waking up :/ |
10:30:20 | pipoka | rockbox forum? |
10:30:26 | B4gder | yes, we have 11000 user there |
10:30:35 | B4gder | I bet one or two know something about gigabeats |
10:31:06 | pipoka | sure i will try that too... |
10:31:09 | pipoka | thx :) |
10:31:50 | amiconn | LinusN: Thanks. That's only a first step though, but it was necessary to get 1st gen battery reading right (different scale factors) |
10:32:28 | amiconn | LinusN: Regarding radio - do you think you could add radio detection to the X5 build? Right now X5V users get a useless and confusing FM radio menu item... |
10:32:49 | einhirn | OpenOffice helped me with calculating the Hex values - and since the MAS datasheet recommends to set "-1.0" for normal use, I recon that I'd set values from -1.0 to -0.0 (0x80000 to 0xFFFFF) to apply Replaygain. |
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10:34:22 | ddalton | how do I access the playlist viewer? |
10:35:22 | amiconn | einhirn: You can use the dsp volume control for implementing replaygain. However, keep in mind that channel mapping also uses these. It should be doable with some (quite simple) fixed point arithmetics |
10:37:30 | ddalton | what there isn't a playlist viewer? |
10:38:01 | einhirn | amiconn: Yes, I thought about adding a Parameter to "set_channel_config" from firmware/sound.c |
10:38:12 | B4gder | ddalton: surely this is mentioned in the manual? |
10:38:37 | einhirn | would that be feasible? |
10:39:26 | ddalton | B4gder: Well I installed a patch and went to the context menu from the wps then playlist then viewer current playlist. Is that how you get to the playlist viewer? |
10:39:44 | ddalton | The patch is meant to voice the playlist viewer. |
10:40:00 | B4gder | I never use it so I'm not sure |
10:40:05 | B4gder | but I'm quite sure it is documented |
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10:45:48 | einhirn | amiconn: I just have doubts about the Gain range - Rockbox SW-Codecs use -48 to 17 dB, but that would mean that Tracks with Replaygain 0 would be played back at less than one fifth of the original volume... I don't think that the Analog Volume can be cranked up enough to compensate that. So I'm thinking about Cutting of the Replaygain db values at, say 12dB... |
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10:52:58 | amiconn | Swcodec doesn't compensate automatically for the replaygain volume drop afaik. You have to crank up volume manually |
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10:53:17 | amiconn | I never used replaygain though so I'm not sure |
10:54:11 | LinusN | amiconn: radio detection on x5 sounds like a good idea, hopefully it will work better than on fmrec :-) |
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10:54:30 | amiconn | LinusN: What's wrong with it on fmrec? |
10:54:42 | * | amiconn has no fmrecorder... :/ |
10:54:58 | LinusN | we have a flyspray report about it failing to find the radio on the fmrec (on some devices) |
10:55:12 | B4gder | one of the oldest bug reports... |
10:55:26 | LinusN | and still valid |
10:55:45 | amiconn | hmm |
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10:56:36 | amiconn | LinusN: In fact I would like to see radio detection implemented on sansa as well |
10:56:58 | LinusN | ah, of course |
10:57:17 | amiconn | (as iiuc the us models all have a radio, while the european models have it deactivated in firmware, but some still have it mounted) |
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10:59:23 | B4gder | more thoughts on how to visualize the new ram size deltas? |
10:59:25 | B4gder | http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/sizes2.html |
10:59:32 | B4gder | ...uses two lines for each build |
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11:00:03 | ie | amiconn: is sansa's a good dap (in your opinion)? How's manufacturing etc? I.e. how's the HW? Of course, the software is crap compared to RB :-) |
11:00:05 | pixelma | not very readable IMO |
11:00:11 | B4gder | I'm not sure a radio-button to select either one is the best choice |
11:00:17 | B4gder | pixelma: exactly |
11:00:38 | amiconn | ie: I don't have a sansa. Imho it's too bulky for a flash based dap |
11:01:45 | ie | I only have a player with a HDD and would like to buy a flash based one. And can't decide what should it be |
11:02:06 | pondlife | B4gder: The RAM delta is closer to the "resulting audio buffer size" delta, right? Except for codec (and voice file) size changes...? |
11:02:17 | B4gder | ie: i think it feels solid |
11:02:29 | B4gder | pondlife: yes |
11:02:48 | pondlife | So, do we need both deltas? Sounds like the RAM one would be most useful. |
11:03:12 | ie | B4gder: only feels? Or is as well? |
11:03:16 | LinusN | pondlife: the binary delta is important for archos |
11:03:21 | pondlife | Ah, yes |
11:03:25 | LinusN | since the files are compressed |
11:03:58 | B4gder | ie: I don't know really but I haven't heard much about hw-related problems |
11:04:00 | pondlife | And the H100 flashing too.. |
11:06:16 | pondlife | rasher: ping |
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11:07:39 | pondlife | rasher: never mind |
11:07:46 | pondlife | aka unping |
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11:12:55 | pLy`Br3iZh | Hey |
11:13:04 | pLy`Br3iZh | i got a little problem |
11:13:18 | pLy`Br3iZh | My ipod video 30Go doesn't want to boot again |
11:15:43 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash ? |
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11:20:04 | pLy`Br3iZh | Lol |
11:20:08 | pLy`Br3iZh | I'm so stupid |
11:20:12 | pLy`Br3iZh | I tried to reboot it |
11:20:21 | pLy`Br3iZh | But i was using menu and play boutons |
11:20:23 | pLy`Br3iZh | =/ |
11:20:28 | pLy`Br3iZh | thak you petur |
11:20:39 | AceNik | guys ive not made a build since a long time now about 10 days i guess, im getting an error that says "svnversion.sh: permission denied" & "buildzip.pl: permission denied" can you help please |
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11:22:17 | DerPapst | Good evening :) |
11:22:33 | AceNik | anyone? |
11:23:03 | * | petur slaps DerPapst with an old joke |
11:23:17 | DerPapst | :P |
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11:24:27 | AceNik | guys svnversion.sh : permission denied? |
11:25:08 | petur | AceNik: something changed at your end. Check the file permissions? Do you log in as another user? |
11:26:01 | AceNik | petur: no but i did install ubuntu on another drive , im using vmware in XP |
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11:29:21 | AceNik | petur: i guess you had this problem a while ago , i googled, & did a chmod + x tools/svnversion.sh |
11:29:30 | AceNik | let c if it works now |
11:30:00 | DerPapst | do a chmod -R 777 |
11:30:02 | DerPapst | :P |
11:31:58 | AceNik | its working now , but do i need to a oa chmod -R777 now that it works? |
11:33:02 | pixelma | with the ":P" at the end, I don't think DerPapst was serious... |
11:33:57 | AceNik | ya i saw that later |
11:34:01 | DerPapst | AceNik: no |
11:37:53 | markun | amiconn: yes, the Gigabeat ADC is 10-bit |
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11:40:40 | petur | pipoka: markun is here now... |
11:40:56 | _kch_ | I have an ipod nano with a damaged screen (the top two lines are always blank). Is it possible to add two blank lines at the begining of any menu? |
11:40:57 | markun | pipoka: I also wouldn't know what's causing your problem. You are sure there's just 1 partition and it's not NTFS? |
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11:41:05 | markun | petur: I was typing already :) |
11:41:20 | amiconn | markun: Thanks. I figured it from the scale factor, and implemented powermgmt-meg-fx.c accordingly |
11:41:52 | markun | amiconn: do you think the battery reading could be a bit more accurate now? |
11:42:52 | amiconn | There won't be +/-1 rounding errors anymore. Nothing really important though |
11:46:07 | * | amiconn will change battery adc precision to 10 bit on H300, like it is done on the iaudios |
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12:01:51 | ender` | any idea why would rockbox suddenly start to forget my settings? |
12:02:25 | petur | is there a config.cfg in .rockbox? |
12:04:22 | ender` | let me see |
12:04:46 | ender` | yes |
12:05:03 | petur | is it readable and does it contain your settings? |
12:05:14 | ender` | it's 74 bytes |
12:05:20 | ender` | (and binary) |
12:06:12 | XavierGr | DerPapst, petur: actually I did that on my first installation of ubuntu(linux in general) on my PC, after I was annoyed to all those "access denied" messages. A very quick and easy way to destroy your linux installation if you do it on root |
12:06:18 | XavierGr | the thing never booted again |
12:07:09 | petur | ender`: it should be plaintext and contain your settings |
12:07:40 | petur | ender`: in a readable param:value form |
12:07:40 | ender` | ok, i'll try deleting it |
12:08:07 | petur | when your settings are as you want them, make a backup copy ;) |
12:08:36 | XavierGr | ah it was pixelma that commented on "chmod" not petur |
12:08:51 | petur | np |
12:09:29 | pixelma | the first one was DerPapst... |
12:11:03 | _kch_ | I have an ipod nano with a damaged screen (the top two lines are always blank). Is it possible to add two blank lines at the begining of any menu? |
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12:15:31 | preglow | everything is possible |
12:15:38 | preglow | so get coding |
12:15:39 | DerPapst | heh |
12:15:56 | DerPapst | i would never do chmod 777 on my whole system |
12:16:29 | petur | _kch_: maybe you can change the HEIGHT define and write a fix in the lcd driver so you get a smaller screen |
12:16:33 | DerPapst | but if i accidently co'ed rockbox svn as root i'd probably chmod 777 trunk :P |
12:16:57 | petur | _kch_: but none of the wps would still work ok of course... |
12:17:26 | preglow | and i bet some stuff would glitch pretty badly |
12:17:28 | _kch_ | petur, i've already hack a wps theme, y only miss the tow first lines of each menu entry |
12:17:55 | petur | preglow: why? |
12:18:02 | preglow | just a feeling :> |
12:18:33 | petur | preglow: it shouldn't, the height isn't hardcoded anywhere except using the define |
12:18:53 | pixelma | 2 lines - as 2 in pixel rows? Or two lines of text |
12:18:56 | _kch_ | petur, if i can find the place where to put two empty line at the begining of each menu will be enough for me |
12:20:10 | XavierGr | DerPapst: I did that as well! :P chmod worked wonders on that :) |
12:20:40 | pixelma | petur: wouldn't one need to define an offset? Aren't the coordinates measured from the top left corner? |
12:20:59 | _kch_ | but I don't not understand the way the menu lines are printed. Could you give me a hint or an example where a line is printed? |
12:21:18 | petur | I would hack that in the lcd driver (the offset) |
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12:21:40 | pixelma | _kch_: are only the 2 first pixel rows defective or is it more than that |
12:22:04 | petur | _kch_: almost nobody understands the menu and settings code :) |
12:22:16 | _kch_ | pixelma, no they should be around 20 pixels (two text lines with 10pt fonts more or less) |
12:22:39 | DerPapst | whoa |
12:22:46 | DerPapst | that's a lot |
12:23:07 | _kch_ | not so bad, the wps looks fine :) |
12:23:39 | DerPapst | better follow peturs advice. :P |
12:24:02 | _kch_ | the problem is, for example, when the on screen keyboard appear I can't see the firsts rows of it |
12:24:54 | DerPapst | just change the HEIGTH define and hack an offest in the LCD driver |
12:25:07 | DerPapst | the first is easy |
12:25:11 | DerPapst | the second... |
12:25:23 | DerPapst | i wouldn't know how to do it ;) |
12:25:55 | _kch_ | and this is easier than adding two "printf()" at the beguining of each menu? |
12:26:38 | petur | _kch_: the problem with your approach is that you will need to do it in many places and it depends on the font size |
12:26:40 | _kch_ | whoa, the menu code should be awful |
12:26:53 | pixelma | well it would save you further work when menus change too |
12:27:39 | _kch_ | ok, i see but as DerPapst says... it doesn't sound easy to hack the LCD driver |
12:28:01 | petur | lunch! |
12:28:11 | DerPapst | i haven't looked at it |
12:28:26 | DerPapst | any my skills in c are.. well... not so good :P |
12:28:33 | DerPapst | s/any/and |
12:29:28 | _kch_ | ok, thanks. I would try to understand how this driver works |
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12:32:53 | DerPapst | _kch_: dunno but i think \firmware\target\arm\ipod\lcd-color_nano.c the function lcd_blit seems a good starting point (line 145) |
12:33:23 | DerPapst | Hi GodEater :) |
12:33:36 | parafin | smb uses albumart? |
12:34:40 | DerPapst | _kch_: or maybe all the functions below that :P |
12:37:27 | amiconn | DerPapst: I'd never chmod 777 large amounts of files, unless they're intended to be shared. In case of a wrong checkout I'd either scrap it and re-checkout, or use chown <intended_user> |
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12:38:19 | parafin | groups in unix is very usefull for sharing files |
12:38:22 | amiconn | DerPapst: lcd_blit() does nothing on colour targets |
12:38:43 | parafin | ^is^are |
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12:40:12 | DerPapst | amiconn: chown sounds like a better solution indeed ;) |
12:40:29 | DerPapst | lcd_blit() is for the nano isn't it? |
12:40:44 | * | parafin is away: away |
12:40:52 | amiconn | nope. Re-read my comment |
12:41:33 | _kch_ | i'm not familiar at all on how LCD system works, so I first need to read a lot about how it is writen on it. Thanks anyway DerPapst |
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12:41:47 | DerPapst | and why is it in the source file when neither the nano nor the color iPod uses this function? |
12:41:48 | Crash91 | hi guys |
12:42:06 | * | DerPapst is confused |
12:43:13 | Crash91 | does anyone here use a microSD card with their sansa? |
12:43:36 | Crash91 | im going to buy one, and was wondering how rb handles it compared to the OF..... |
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12:45:42 | amiconn | DerPapst: It's an empty function on colour because it is in the plugin api, and it was thought that it might become implemented for colour |
12:46:01 | amiconn | But now it looks like that won't happen. |
12:46:27 | amiconn | The standard lcd update functions are lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect() - for all targets |
12:47:07 | amiconn | lcd_blit() blits directly from an external buffer (on mono and greyscale targets). This is used for the grayscale lib and video.rock |
12:47:20 | DerPapst | meg.. i missed the closing }\ |
12:47:25 | DerPapst | :P |
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12:48:31 | zanq | anyone awake? |
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12:49:29 | DerPapst | amiconn: so basicly all _kch_ has to change is line 500? From lcd_update_rect(0, 0, LCD_WIDTH, LCD_HEIGHT); to eg lcd_update_rect(0, 20, LCD_WIDTH, LCD_HEIGHT); ? |
12:50:17 | jbit | DerPapst: dont think so |
12:50:18 | zanq | i was about to bitch for help: but i'll check the trusty FAQ first. |
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12:50:58 | fairway | hello all |
12:51:13 | fairway | does itunes only support track-based replay-gain? |
12:55:46 | DerPapst | jbit: mmhh.. looks like it could work if you reduce the LCD_HEIGHT by 20 as well |
12:57:57 | amiconn | It will require reducing LCD_HEIGHT, and taking the offset into account in lcd_update_rect() |
12:58:54 | DerPapst | i thought that is what x0 and y0 are for |
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12:59:43 | jbit | DerPapst: that specifies the source and destination |
12:59:50 | jbit | (from what i can see) |
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13:00:28 | DerPapst | ah ok |
13:01:28 | DerPapst | so the one of the 2 for loops then? from "for (r = 0; r < h; r++) {" to "for (r = 20; r < h; r++) {" |
13:01:45 | DerPapst | anyways... isn't my problem :P |
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13:07:05 | _kch_ | thanks for your investigation DerPapst |
13:07:08 | _kch_ | :) |
13:08:39 | DerPapst | ;) |
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13:12:25 | * | parafin is back (gone 00:31:41) |
13:12:59 | parafin | ok, time for some posting to tracker |
13:13:23 | preglow | wtf |
13:13:31 | preglow | recording just told me my disk is full |
13:13:33 | preglow | it's not... |
13:14:24 | petur | preglow: weird, it has been reported before (even in the tracker iirc) |
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13:14:41 | petur | force a disk scan? |
13:14:43 | preglow | linux and rockbox doesn't seem to agree on how much is left... |
13:14:54 | preglow | ten megs... |
13:15:07 | preglow | i wonder what the hell is up with this |
13:15:32 | preglow | doesn't rockbox update the number of free clusters? |
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13:19:44 | preglow | hmm, doesn't rockbox save stuff in recordings/ anymore? |
13:20:17 | petur | it's configurable now |
13:20:27 | preglow | i got R_LINE_0001.wav straight on the root now |
13:20:31 | pixelma | not by default |
13:20:40 | petur | select a dir in the browser and use the context menu |
13:21:26 | petur | the default seems wrong, it shouldn't use the root |
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13:22:44 | pixelma | that's because it was the only way to set the root as recording dir |
13:23:28 | preglow | i don't get why that should be configurable |
13:23:43 | preglow | good old feature bloat |
13:25:24 | pixelma | I find it quite handy for recording on the MMC for example - the only way before was "current directory" but I always hated to loose control because it could end up everywhere when you don't remember and browsed a bit before |
13:25:45 | preglow | yeah, mmc/sd is a good reason for it |
13:26:09 | petur | preglow: many users asked for it... |
13:26:27 | petur | maybe not many but some ;) |
13:26:50 | pixelma | preglow: there was an even more complicated patch in the tracker for it... |
13:28:22 | preglow | hrm |
13:28:34 | preglow | seems this phono amp business is doomed |
13:29:17 | preglow | the un-deemphasised sound sounds better than the deemphasised one :/( |
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13:30:28 | preglow | i wonder if this is because of the h120 line in or what |
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13:33:41 | preglow | wtf, the "start above" and "stop below" settings in the trigger screen are inited to "db" values, but change to % values when i change them |
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13:48:14 | parafin | hm |
13:48:22 | parafin | there is smth wrong with tracker |
13:48:31 | parafin | Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967 Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967 Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in |
13:48:34 | parafin | ... |
13:49:27 | parafin | when i added comment with patch |
13:50:01 | parafin | Anyway - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4840 here i go |
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13:53:30 | * | petur points 4 lines up |
13:54:55 | Zagor | mueh, that thing again. well at least the patch got uploaded :-) |
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14:01:56 | parafin | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5744 - this is really good idea, imho. |
14:05:07 | parafin | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5855 - this is good patch too and no harm done :) |
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14:09:44 | DerPapst | D: he stole my quitmessage (or probably uses kirc :P) |
14:10:02 | petur | 42 |
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14:30:25 | einhirn | Later... |
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14:39:00 | parafin | why this patch not in official tree: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2954 ? |
14:39:53 | B4gder | see viewports |
14:40:10 | LinusN | parafin: because it implements it in a way that we don't like |
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14:54:31 | kravlin | I keep seeing something about a patched build of rockbox to use album art in the Themes section. Could someone explain? |
14:54:54 | GodEater | kravlin: look in the unsupported builds section of the forums |
14:56:01 | kravlin | GodEater: thanks. |
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14:57:54 | parafin | can someone help me with album art patch btw? i use slant theme and album art draws as 100x97 but should be 100x100, so 3 top lines are missing |
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15:02:27 | n1s | parafin: you should probably try to ask the creator of the patch |
15:02:44 | parafin | noone here uses it? :) |
15:03:56 | * | amiconn really wonders why album art seems to be so popular |
15:05:00 | LinusN | amiconn: it could be that people like having the album cover in the wps :-P |
15:05:13 | n1s | amiconn: yeah, it's a pretty stupid feature for a dap IMO |
15:05:28 | * | GodEater won't ever bother using it either |
15:06:45 | amiconn | Imo it's nice to have, but no way a priority |
15:06:48 | LinusN | i think it's one of those "neat" features |
15:07:03 | * | n1s wonders if anyone will actually make an album art implementation using MoB when it gets in... |
15:07:11 | amiconn | If I want to see the album cover, I can still browse and use the jpg viewer |
15:07:37 | GodEater | didn't Nico write the original AA feature ? |
15:08:18 | n1s | GodEater: I guess he'll do it then :-) |
15:09:08 | GodEater | I suspect so ;) |
15:09:34 | parafin | well there is usability and there is good-looking |
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15:09:43 | parafin | album art is about good-looking :) |
15:09:51 | GodEater | we care much more about the former than the latter |
15:10:02 | parafin | i can tell :) |
15:10:05 | dionoea | isn't a DAP about good-sounding ? :) |
15:10:11 | GodEater | is to me |
15:10:20 | GodEater | it spends all day in my pocket |
15:10:25 | GodEater | I don't give a rats ass what it looks like |
15:10:43 | parafin | yeah, good-sounding is too, but there is no problem with that :) |
15:10:48 | parafin | in rockbox |
15:10:50 | dionoea | same here :) (except for hte games when I take the train/bus and don't have anything to read) |
15:11:13 | GodEater | my bus journey features cute women to look at :) |
15:11:23 | GodEater | cute women > album art |
15:11:36 | dionoea | :) |
15:11:37 | petur | what, in England? |
15:11:40 | * | petur ducks |
15:11:41 | parafin | well, rockbox is media-player, and now most of them displays album art |
15:12:30 | petur | yeah, why even have a WPS, you can use the playlist viewer to see what is playing |
15:12:34 | amiconn | Rockbox is an audio player, not a mediaplayer |
15:12:54 | parafin | well, why there is jpeg viewer than? :) |
15:13:01 | parafin | and even mpegplayer |
15:13:13 | dionoea | those are plugins, not core features |
15:13:19 | LinusN | parafin: we have games too, but rockbox is no portable gaming system |
15:13:42 | petur | not yet ;) |
15:13:50 | parafin | well than album art is one of those nice bonus features of rockbox |
15:14:11 | jbit | just need tv out and usb host... could make quite a nice game system :P |
15:14:14 | parafin | and people like that one |
15:14:20 | amiconn | Rockbox *might* become a media player in case it gets ported to a dmp. But that didn't happen yet |
15:14:27 | n1s | it should be possible to run Quake on the Gigabeat S :-) |
15:14:35 | LinusN | hehe |
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15:15:10 | aliask | Quake 3 |
15:15:55 | aliask | I did an LCD framerate test today - 274.5. How does that stack against the Gigabeat F/X? |
15:16:12 | petur | aliask: there's a wiki page somewhere |
15:16:14 | amiconn | It's the fastest rate so far - for a colour target |
15:16:22 | aliask | But the gigabeat f/x isn't in the wiki page |
15:16:26 | petur | ah |
15:16:41 | aliask | H100 has a rediculously high fps |
15:16:55 | aliask | over 3000 fps for 1/4 screen update :P |
15:16:59 | amiconn | Yes, parallel i/f and only 2bpp |
15:17:07 | amiconn | M5 has the same rate |
15:17:12 | webguest29 | Hello all. I am looking for help with my sansa e200. |
15:17:17 | parafin | how do you count framerate? |
15:17:42 | petur | lcd refreshing only |
15:17:53 | petur | (sending data to lcd) |
15:17:58 | parafin | well with what plugin/tool? |
15:18:13 | webguest29 | Are there any sansa users on the channel? |
15:18:16 | petur | test_fps |
15:18:27 | petur | parafin: it's not build normally |
15:18:33 | petur | you have to enable it |
15:18:48 | petur | in SOURCES |
15:18:54 | n1s | aliask: see commit message here http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=13393 seems to be about as fast as the S |
15:18:59 | parafin | petur, i see |
15:20:06 | GodEater | webguest29: just ask your question |
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15:20:40 | aliask | n1s: Ah, thanks. |
15:21:17 | webguest29 | My player freezes on the refresh database screen when booting to the OF. This prevents me from accessing the player over USB. |
15:21:29 | webguest29 | I can connect to the player in recovery mode. |
15:21:43 | webguest29 | What I notice is that on the recovery partition the VERSION.TXT is corrupted. |
15:22:34 | webguest29 | If I put a version.txt from anythingbutipod forum on the partition, I can run a program that is supposed to format the player and reinstall the OF. |
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15:22:43 | webguest29 | However, this program doesn't work correctly. |
15:22:55 | xorAxAx | hmm, the battery of my nano 1st generation ran empty and now it says "use itunes to restore" |
15:23:02 | xorAxAx | when using ipodpatcher, i get io errors |
15:23:09 | webguest29 | My player always boots to either rockbox or the version of the OF that is having the refresh database problem. |
15:23:28 | xorAxAx | i think i already had this scenario once and used itunes and then ipodpatcher to get it working again |
15:23:37 | webguest29 | The recovery mode procedures that seem to work for others are not working for me. |
15:23:41 | xorAxAx | does anybody know why this happens? |
15:24:28 | xorAxAx | maybe half-written flash blocks and broken battery low check in rockbox? |
15:25:30 | GodEater | xorAxAx: that wouldn't explain the IO errors from ipodpatcher though |
15:25:40 | GodEater | since Rockbox doesn't write anything to the 1st partition |
15:25:55 | xorAxAx | hmm |
15:26:10 | xorAxAx | dmesg showed errors as well on the first partition (i guess automounter trying to automount) |
15:26:24 | jbit | you should probably let the ipod charge a bit before doing stuff with it |
15:26:25 | GodEater | why would automounter be trying to mount it ? |
15:26:29 | GodEater | it has no file system |
15:26:32 | xorAxAx | jbit: its fully charged |
15:26:33 | jbit | i've noticed ipods are super flakey when they have low battery |
15:26:36 | jbit | ah okay :) |
15:26:42 | xorAxAx | GodEater: well, its figuring that out while trying i guess :) |
15:27:01 | GodEater | it should just look at the partition type label and not even go any further |
15:27:09 | xorAxAx | *shrugÜ |
15:27:12 | GodEater | I don't get any such error from my 5.5G |
15:27:51 | parafin | ipod video got only 22.5 fps 1/1 and 46 1/4 ... not much i guess |
15:28:48 | parafin | strange, but it seems to be bug in theme about those 3 lines |
15:29:31 | parafin | or more exactly using bmpresize fixes this bug |
15:29:47 | jbit | does anybody know much about the portal players memory managment system? since it's arm7tdmi based it doesn't have normal cp15 mmu/fcse right? |
15:29:54 | xorAxAx | GodEater: the werid thing is that the reset stuff of the apple flasher will probably fix it again |
15:30:11 | GodEater | xorAxAx: I believe you |
15:30:25 | GodEater | xorAxAx: I'm just saying I doubt the cause is as simple as you thought |
15:30:34 | xorAxAx | yes |
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15:32:21 | GodEater | also - depending on how comfortable you are in linux, I wouldn't use iTunes to do the restore, since it'll wipe your music |
15:33:03 | * | parafin is proud that he hasn't ever used itunes =)) |
15:33:16 | DogBoy | it's not easy to use |
15:33:28 | DogBoy | a lot of bs to wade thru |
15:35:49 | Ave | anyone here with 0xc0005 hw rev ipod nano? |
15:36:38 | xorAxAx | GodEater: hmm, i have an bootloader-ipodnano.ipod file |
15:36:49 | xorAxAx | GodEater: what do you suggest to fix this issue? :) |
15:36:53 | xorAxAx | (yes, i am running linux) |
15:39:03 | GodEater | xorAxAx: I'd do the bit of the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodManualRestore that doesn't involve formatting your music partition |
15:39:18 | GodEater | and possibly also not bother with the MBR bit either |
15:39:22 | GodEater | just do the .ipsw bits |
15:39:36 | GodEater | (i.e. steps 2,3 and 4) |
15:39:46 | GodEater | that'll do the firmware flash, without wiping your music |
15:40:39 | xorAxAx | hmm, felix's site lists 2 firmware versions for the 1G nano |
15:41:09 | * | xorAxAx chooses the one with the highest number :) |
15:43:09 | xorAxAx | ok, rom flashing |
15:43:51 | xorAxAx | up and running :) |
15:44:32 | amiconn | hmmm |
15:44:58 | amiconn | LinusN: I'm not sure for what part(s) I should/could add myself as a maintainer |
15:45:36 | amiconn | E.g. the targets - it says "if you use them on a daily basis" - but obviously I cannot use all my targets on a daily basis |
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15:46:12 | LinusN | amiconn: i was wondering about that too :-) |
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15:47:24 | amiconn | And my usage habits change over time. I tend to use those targets most which I am working on at that time (or vice versa) |
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15:50:17 | GodEater | amiconn: just list yourself as a consultant then ;) |
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15:58:04 | xorAxAx | ugh |
15:58:06 | xorAxAx | crash |
15:58:08 | xorAxAx | "data abort" |
15:58:19 | xorAxAx | 40001324 |
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16:00:16 | xorAxAx | after changing the time and going into the playing mode again |
16:00:47 | GodEater | xorAxAx: see if you can find that address in the map file :) |
16:01:05 | xorAxAx | where is the map? |
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16:02:08 | pixelma | xorAxAx: you said you have a nano? |
16:02:14 | xorAxAx | yes |
16:03:37 | xorAxAx | pixelma: why? |
16:05:03 | pixelma | some nanos have problems with the recent builds, unfortunately the reason's not found yet. I'm trying to dig the forum thread where you can find some information and the latest build that was working ok for most of the people - I think yours may have the same problem |
16:05:16 | xorAxAx | hmm, ok |
16:05:52 | amiconn | I think the reason can't be found without someone having a problematic nano and a clue stepping forward |
16:06:11 | xorAxAx | how do you debug these devices? |
16:06:16 | parafin | strange |
16:06:26 | xorAxAx | console via the connector? |
16:06:31 | parafin | i found why album art was truncated |
16:06:35 | GodEater | xorAxAx: lord no |
16:06:45 | xorAxAx | but? :) |
16:07:00 | GodEater | heaps of "printf()" equiavalents |
16:07:05 | GodEater | and dumping stuff to disk usually |
16:07:09 | xorAxAx | oh |
16:07:23 | xorAxAx | wouldnt some kind of serial console debugger be more usable? :) |
16:07:24 | GodEater | some devices have JTAG connectors which allow a bit more useful debugging |
16:07:28 | GodEater | but not the Nano as far as we know |
16:07:39 | GodEater | the problem is the undocumented hardware in the PP |
16:07:41 | xorAxAx | hmm, doesnt jtag need special software? |
16:07:44 | xorAxAx | ah |
16:07:56 | GodEater | xorAxAx: No idea - LinusN is the expert :) |
16:09:30 | pixelma | here's the thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11504.75 - can't find the info about the latest working build atm, but maybe you can if you read more thouroughly |
16:12:35 | xorAxAx | well, according to #7510 the problematic changeset was found |
16:13:58 | xorAxAx | GodEater: where is the map file? |
16:15:30 | GodEater | should be in the .zip file I think |
16:16:40 | parafin | yeah, i fixed slant theme |
16:16:47 | parafin | what does %C do in wps? |
16:17:14 | pixelma | isn't that a "developers thing" only? I mean not provided in a zip from the download site? |
16:17:27 | xorAxAx | GodEater: cant find it |
16:17:54 | pixelma | parafin: I believe that has to do with album art (if it's the uppercase C) |
16:19:15 | xorAxAx | hmm, nano is playing fine |
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16:19:34 | xorAxAx | i dont think that the bug caused the crash |
16:19:57 | xorAxAx | maybe it was something overflowing because the 6 year time travel |
16:20:10 | parafin | pixelma, yeah, thanx, i found it |
16:20:22 | parafin | so blank lines matter in wps... |
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16:24:25 | xorAxAx | crash |
16:24:43 | xorAxAx | this time it shut itself off |
16:24:52 | xorAxAx | hmm, its kind of warmer than usual |
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16:31:07 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Regarding the target maintainers, the intention when I wrote "on a daily basis" was to try and find people who use that target as their main DAP. But if you can think of a better definition for a target maintainer, please change it. |
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16:32:31 | preglow | yeah, that'd disqualify me as both a nano maintainer and a h120 maintainer, heh |
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17:06:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hehe, then I can't add myself as a target maintainer, as I have no fixed main dap |
17:06:49 | amiconn | Quite difficult to select a main one from a pool of 10 ;) |
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17:30:05 | * | pondlife thinks "Show Supported Files" should include all types configured for viewers (even .tzx files) |
17:32:13 | amiconn | It does, if the viewer is included on the respective target |
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17:32:47 | pondlife | Hmm, shouldn't H300 include zxbox? |
17:33:02 | pondlife | The H300 sim does! |
17:33:17 | * | pondlife will check |
17:34:06 | pondlife | Nope, it's not there. |
17:34:40 | amiconn | Checked viewers.config? |
17:36:36 | pondlife | Yep, it's in there... I forgot to look in rocks/viewers |
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17:40:21 | amiconn | pondlife: Works here (H300 sim) |
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18:02:34 | at0m|c | hi, i'm looking for a new battery for my iriver h340. found some discontinued 2600mAh ones, and others. anyone can hint me on a high capacity battery currently available for that box? |
18:02:45 | at0m|c | most pages i find are a bit old.. |
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18:09:07 | alienbiker99 | we dont really deal with hardware here, cehck on misticriver |
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18:14:08 | alienbiker99 | wow flashing hthe e200 was really easy |
18:14:20 | n1s | at0m|c: rplacement batteries for ipod 1G and 2G fit the h300, you just have to reverse the polarity of the connector |
18:15:50 | n1s | also be aware that they might balloon, (a Bad Thing (tm)) |
18:16:39 | alienbiker99 | mine ballooned =\ |
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18:29:05 | Falen | Hello! |
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18:30:24 | Falen | Anybody know about any good C/C++ forum community? |
18:31:39 | preglow | try #c++ |
18:31:41 | wwalker | anyone got a Sanasa e250 or similar? It appears that FM tuning is off a little bit... |
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19:04:41 | DefineByte | does "CONFIG_BACKLIGHT==BL_IPODNANO" mean anything to anyone? I realise it's deprecated since april but what should i be replacing it with? |
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19:15:27 | DefineByte | no-one here knows the backlight code/it was a stupid question/i'm too impatient. delete as applicable |
19:22:13 | at0m|c | nls: cheers, those seem most common indeed. will look some further, for hopefully higher capacity |
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19:44:58 | Febs | linuxstb: there is someone on the forums claiming to have put the nano bootloader on a 5.5g. Is that even possible? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12187.msg74696 |
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20:14:13 | pixelma | n1s: do you remember when the differentiation between keypads got removed from the "disk full" splash? It's not very important but e.g. my Ondio would now also say "Press STOP to continue" but according to the manual there's no such button... |
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20:14:30 | pixelma | errm... I mean in the english.lang... |
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20:38:33 | pixelma | Febs: do you mean "shouldn't" in the latest forum post? ;) |
20:39:09 | pixelma | or maybe I'm misunderstanding... |
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20:39:28 | Febs | No, you're right. Fixed. Thanks! |
20:40:13 | pixelma | heh, I was just wondering :) |
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20:44:59 | linuxstb_ | Febs: Anything's possible if you try hard enough - e.g. use the old install method (ipod_fw). But I doubt that happened - the poster seems very confused... |
20:51:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, today I realised that all ipods must have the ability for disk poweroff in hardware. How else would suspend work? The disk would continue drawing 10..20mA ... |
20:51:35 | amiconn | So it's just a matter of figuring out how it's controlled... |
20:52:37 | linuxstb_ | Did you find the suspend function in the 1g/2g firmware? |
20:53:10 | amiconn | Sure. I already talked about it in here (before you went offline for >1 week) |
20:53:24 | amiconn | I even hacked the asm function into rockbox, and it works |
20:53:41 | amiconn | (but that's not committable of course) |
20:54:00 | linuxstb_ | I was asking because I was wondering if you also found the disk power-off for the 1g/2g in the same place? (I know it's documented in the ipl wiki anyway). |
20:54:52 | amiconn | On the later ipods it's either a gpio pin (unlikely, otherwise ipl will (probable? eventually?) have found it, or one of the pcf50605 gpios, or a 3rd possibility: |
20:55:32 | amiconn | Iirc the pcf50605 can supply multiple output voltages, which can be switched on and off independently. Maybe it's one such voltage |
20:56:07 | linuxstb_ | Maybe no-one in IPL looked for it? I'm assuming the only practical way to search is to hook up a multimeter and experiment.. |
20:56:11 | amiconn | The 1st/2nd gen disk poweroff is not handled in the suspend function. It must be in one of its callers |
20:56:55 | amiconn | The only practical way is digging into a disassembly imo. |
20:57:43 | linuxstb_ | But wouldn't that just narrow down the possibilities? You would still need to test things, and runtime tests would be painful. |
20:58:22 | preglow | wouldn't just opening up the unit be quicker? |
20:58:23 | linuxstb_ | Or maybe you're more skillful in understand disassemblies than me... |
20:59:09 | amiconn | Well, how would you experiment without disassembling first? Just switching gpios, hoping they are doing something useful and nothing potentially danbgerous? |
20:59:40 | * | linuxstb_ remembers barrywardell and his gpio experiments -> dead hard disk... |
20:59:41 | amiconn | The PP502x has too many GPIOs for this method to work, I think |
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21:00:05 | amiconn | Btw, I suspect the H10 disk poweroff isn't working, at least on the small model |
21:02:41 | amiconn | Regarding reading of disassemblies, I think there are people who are way better than me in that |
21:03:58 | amiconn | Still, I found the lcd parameter table in the 1st/2nd gen rom and the minig2 rom. There's some complication in that parts of the rom are copied into iram at startup, so matching addresses needs a lot of offset calculatiions |
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21:05:04 | amiconn | (and also into DRAM: the lcd parameter table itself is an example. It's part of the OF's data segment) |
21:05:39 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: regarding the target maintainers, maybe it would be most useful if you put your name next to the devices only you (amongst the devs) own or have access to - 1g/2g ipods, M5, some of the Archoses? |
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21:06:48 | amiconn | hmm |
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21:07:11 | pixelma | he doesn't always have access to the M5 ;) |
21:07:31 | webguest23 | has development started on power management for 5.5g ipod? |
21:07:33 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Then you've just volunteered ;) |
21:07:43 | amiconn | pixelma: In fact you could put yourself as the M5 maintainer |
21:08:06 | amiconn | It's more a matter of using it regularly in order to notice bugs. |
21:08:22 | pixelma | haha... but I'm afraid I'm not much of help - I thought a maintainer would also be someone who could fix something in the code... |
21:08:57 | pixelma | ok, I think I'm quite good at finding bugs |
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21:09:47 | amiconn | I'm not entirely sure, but my 3 usually most used targets are probably (in that order) archos Recorder, iriver H180, and archos Ondio FM |
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21:10:40 | amiconn | My least used target is probably the X5 (apart from the Ondio SP which is defective (but usable for quick tests)) |
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21:11:47 | linuxstb_ | Then I would say definitely put your name next to the recorder and Ondio - it's more a matter of trying to cover everything. The h1x0 hardly needs an explicit maintainer as almost every dev has one... |
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21:12:32 | pixelma | so I could put my name to the M5 and the OndioFM too? |
21:12:57 | Ratty | Can I manually backup the IPOD by copying the Music folder off my IPOD to my pc ? This is a friends IPOD and the itunes that I have on my pc include no songs, and itunes wants me to auto-sync. The only problem now is that iTunes has locked the IPOD, and wont let me do anything with it, because I stopped it in the middle of a sync. Would copying that music folder in the IPOD control folder be good enough on backing up the music ? |
21:13:50 | linuxstb_ | Ratty: That question doesn't seem related to Rockbox... |
21:14:08 | preglow | i could put myself on a nano, i don't use it so much, but i've got one, ported rockbox to it and am familiar with it |
21:14:14 | Ratty | linuxstb, But I was curious as to if you would know though |
21:14:35 | Febs | Ratty: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines |
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21:14:56 | linuxstb_ | Ratty: I don't use itunes, so have no idea. |
21:15:58 | Ratty | Alright then, I cant access my IPOD to copy rockbox onto it, because iTunes has locked it. How do I unlock it, with auto-syncing it. |
21:16:13 | amiconn | Bagder: I just realised that the ram usage information is incomplete. It doesn't cover the rom-executed variants (H1x0, Player, Ondio SP atm) |
21:16:19 | Ratty | lmao |
21:16:19 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: What about the 1g/2g? Did you say you were planning to get rid of them after you finished the ports? |
21:16:54 | amiconn | I won't get rid of them, but I will probably give one of them (the dual platter 2nd gen, upgraded to 40GB) to pixelma |
21:17:12 | amiconn | The other 2nd gen is currently unusable because of no hdd |
21:17:13 | Ratty | get the sandisk mp3 player |
21:17:13 | linuxstb_ | Ratty: Uninstall itunes - it's not needed with Rockbox. Your ipod should then work as a normal external hard disk. |
21:21:36 | Febs | Ratty: there is also an option somewhere in iTunes that lets you use the iPod as an external disk. I'm not sure exactly where, because I don't use iTunes much. |
21:22:58 | Ratty | Febs, Yeah the only problem is that it wants to auto-sync the b*tch each time I plug it in befor eI can do anything... Irritating |
21:23:06 | Ratty | Since it isny mine |
21:23:30 | Febs | I'm sure that there is an option in iTunes to disable that "feature" as well. |
21:23:49 | * | amiconn knows at least one option for that ;) |
21:24:04 | amiconn | It's called uninstall |
21:25:02 | Ratty | CTRL + SHIFT +ALT should, but I have had no luck with it... Oh typical day in the life of a rat, do it the hard way |
21:25:19 | linuxstb_ | Ratty: You can also disable autosync... |
21:25:48 | Ratty | linuxstb__ Yeah that is after you auto-sync it the first time |
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21:29:50 | ie | amiconn: today, I've been in a local store and have held Sansa E250 in my hands. And also found too bulky for a flash based player. |
21:33:04 | preglow | it's actually shorter than my nano |
21:33:06 | preglow | but thicker |
21:33:57 | webguest08 | Thanks to Rockbox I am able to use a 15GB 3g Ipod with a bad disk sector in the firmware part of the HD, so couldn't load Ipod firmware via Itunes reset. |
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21:36:03 | webguest08 | But I have a question - I got 5 hours playback, which is good, but I am charging now - as soon as I put it into the cradle the indicator (NOT animated) showed 82% charged, and now after 20 mins it is at 100% - will it keep charging, as I know it needs about 5 hours for a top recharge. |
21:39:03 | preglow | hmm |
21:39:08 | preglow | can i do a full bad sector search from linux? |
21:39:15 | preglow | a file on my h120 seems to be glitching badly |
21:40:04 | ie | preglow: yes, the thickness is what I didn't like |
21:41:12 | ie | ipod nano 2G has a nearly ideal size. Pity that it can only be fed via iTunes :-( |
21:41:25 | preglow | hrm, when i try to read this one file, the disk just seems to retry again and again |
21:41:54 | * | preglow hopes this isn't the start of the end for his h120 :/ |
21:43:12 | preglow | [127657.071623] sdb: Current: sense key: Medium Error |
21:43:15 | preglow | :/ |
21:44:24 | ie | preglow: tried checkdisc or something? |
21:44:47 | preglow | ie: i don't know of any such program for linux, only fsck, and that doesn't check for bad blocks |
21:46:11 | preglow | there is a program called badblocks, though... |
21:46:43 | ie | preglow: hrm... I'm not a linux expert. But I can't believe that something of the kind doesn't exist |
21:47:04 | preglow | running badblocks now |
21:48:26 | preglow | man, i'll be depressed if my h120 is dying |
21:49:58 | ie | yes, that would be really bad. h120 is one of the best RB capable daps. Can you replace the HDD (I hope you won't need that though) |
21:50:50 | petur | preglow: time for a 30GB upgrade? |
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21:51:30 | preglow | petur: how much do they charge for 30 gigs? |
21:51:46 | petur | how would I know? |
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21:51:56 | preglow | because you have upgraded yours? :> |
21:52:07 | petur | I only know that 80GB was expensive |
21:52:10 | pixelma | 40GB single platters are said to exist too |
21:53:19 | preglow | petur: how much for that? |
21:53:29 | petur | about 220 euro |
21:53:46 | preglow | about what i'd expect |
21:53:49 | ie | pixelma: but with other IF |
21:53:53 | preglow | 40 gig would be nice |
21:54:12 | ie | preglow: or an iAudio X :-) |
21:54:26 | pixelma | no there were ones with the right connectors |
21:56:01 | pixelma | from our fine wiki: MK4007GAL (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement) |
21:56:08 | preglow | ie: i like the recording capabilities of the h1x0 series |
21:56:38 | pixelma | but I doubt they are easy to get |
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21:57:38 | preglow | if i am to buy something else, i'll probably go gigabeat or something, heh |
21:57:57 | pixelma | for the recording capabilities? ;) |
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21:58:14 | DerPapst | Bon Soir :) |
21:58:16 | preglow | for the horribly overspecced cpu :D |
21:58:30 | Bagder | then go gigabeat S ;-) |
21:58:34 | preglow | might as well get a gigabeat s, though |
21:58:36 | preglow | and help port |
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22:01:26 | linuxstb_ | They don't seem easy to find.. At least, I haven't spotted any in Europe. |
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22:05:33 | linuxstb_ | Would it be better for the .voice files to be distributed in a zip file with the correct path/filename? (reading this post - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12038.msg92152;topicseen#msg92152 ) |
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22:07:20 | preglow | badblocks just spat out about 20 sector numbers :/ |
22:07:37 | preglow | consecutive, the lord be praised |
22:08:33 | Bagder | linuxstb: that might be a good idea indeed |
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22:17:54 | Bagder | I'll fix that "soon" |
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22:20:51 | preglow | badblocks says i have 66 bad blocks |
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22:21:50 | preglow | is it possible to tell a fat part to don't use these blocks? |
22:21:54 | preglow | i know ext2 can do it, but... |
22:22:58 | amiconn | fat can mark clusters as bad, so as long as the bad blocks are not in the fat area, it's possible |
22:23:27 | amiconn | But if a hdd has bad blocks showing up at that level, I wouldn't trust the disk at all anymore |
22:23:34 | preglow | they're not |
22:23:35 | preglow | and i don't |
22:25:07 | amiconn | All modern hdds hide bad blocks internally. If bad blocks start appearing at the os level, that menas there were already lots mapped out internally before, so many that the defects list is full |
22:26:11 | preglow | yeah... |
22:26:23 | preglow | geh, i should just get a h140 or something, this unit is starting to wear anyway |
22:26:44 | petur | preglow: MK3006GAL on ebay going for 40 euro (2nd hand) or 60-100 euro new |
22:27:36 | amiconn | There are even 60GB single platter disk (not from Toshiba for a change), but they're ZIF only |
22:27:58 | petur | we need that zif adapter ;) |
22:28:05 | * | amiconn wonders if/when small ata50->zif adapters will show up |
22:28:19 | preglow | think i'd rather buy disks new just to be sure |
22:28:29 | tumu | amiconn, the moment one makes one? |
22:28:56 | amiconn | tumu: I mean in somewhat larger quantities than homemade |
22:29:27 | tumu | it isn't too difficult to get them made in bulk nowadays |
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22:32:57 | einhirn | Hello. |
22:35:35 | scorche | linuxstb_: busy? |
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22:38:23 | Bagder | yes, not even ping got time to respond it seems ;-P |
22:39:18 | scorche | hehe |
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22:57:31 | einhirn | Yay - Build environment setup successful - thanks to fine documentation |
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23:03:06 | einhirn | the current (as of an hour ago) svn revision built fine, and I already tested if I could support +17dB in Archos Replaygain ;) Yes, I can - I just reduced the changed the default Setting for "val_ll" and "val_lr" in sound.c to the new "0dB" value and tested - I can crank up the analog volume setting enough to restore the Volume I like on my earphones. |
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23:03:38 | einhirn | Now to the automatic setting of gain values from track to track ;) |
23:03:48 | * | einhirn digs into the source code |
23:04:07 | Bagder | just remember to come up for air every now and then ;-) |
23:04:10 | amiconn | einhirn: In order to make up for the reduced digital reference level with replaygain, we can gain an additional 6dB in the analog part, by upping the mixer volume to maximum |
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23:04:43 | amiconn | (on MAS35xxF that is, didn't check the MAS3507/DAC3550 pair yet) |
23:04:59 | einhirn | Ok, then users wouln't need to crank up their volumes? |
23:05:07 | linuxstb_ | scorche: I'm around now... |
23:06:09 | einhirn | amiconn: but usually you have to crank up your volume when you enable Replaygain - at least thats what happened, when I first used it in FooBar... |
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23:06:40 | amiconn | You would still have to crank it up, but not as much |
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23:06:51 | einhirn | amiconn: So the additional +6dB would be a nice to have, but not mission critical ;) |
23:06:59 | amiconn | All we can do is (almost) 6dB extra |
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23:08:10 | einhirn | And - Replaygain recommends +6dB offset to the Values in the Tags for pop music anyway... |
23:08:52 | einhirn | So the digital volume would be reduced a little less (I like language ;) ) |
23:09:19 | amiconn | It's +5.95dB to be precise. Mixer volume is 7 bit (maximum is therefore 127), and the 0 dB setting is 64. |
23:09:45 | einhirn | But maybe the Replaygain offset should be user configurable (if it isn't already). |
23:11:41 | einhirn | Ok. First I'll try to implement what's necessary to change the Digital Volume Matrix from track to track, then maybe change the Analog volume - if the +5.95dB aren't needed as headroom for eg. Bass or Treble settings. |
23:13:10 | DefineByte | I've read that crossfeed can increase the bass (I think) by up to 2dB. Is that right? |
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23:16:16 | ToHellWithGA | in the current playlist i don't see a way to clear it. am i missing something obvious? |
23:17:29 | DefineByte | why do you want to clear it? inserting a new track will create a new playlist. |
23:23:49 | ToHellWithGA | so "insert" isn't insert per se |
23:23:58 | DefineByte | amiconn, why was CONFIG_BACKLIGHT (from config.h) multi-value? seems like it would just be a way of detecting a specific target. |
23:24:14 | ToHellWithGA | i'm used to mpd so i clear the playlist before adding new stuff |
23:24:18 | DefineByte | no, queue is more like how you're thinking of insert |
23:24:35 | ToHellWithGA | also i don't quite get why things are left in the playlist sometimes and removed after play other times |
23:24:38 | DefineByte | unless I'm mistaken. ^^ |
23:25:04 | ToHellWithGA | i'll download the .pdf manual and print it 4 pages per sheet on 11x17 on our awesome plotter here at work |
23:25:20 | ToHellWithGA | if i reuse paper it should only cost the boss toner |
23:25:23 | DefineByte | sounds like a plan. :D |
23:25:53 | DefineByte | watch for the deadly tonwer particles flying through the air |
23:26:00 | DefineByte | toner/ |
23:26:21 | ToHellWithGA | is toner volatile? |
23:27:01 | DefineByte | their was a recent study stating it was pretty dodgy stuff. gets into the lungs. |
23:27:36 | DefineByte | there/ |
23:27:49 | * | petur spots talk drifting offtopic |
23:28:06 | DefineByte | you about amiconn? |
23:29:49 | ToHellWithGA | just for petur: i used rockbox on the plane trip to new mexico for work and on the going there and coming back trips the folks next to me were interested in the "different-looking" display |
23:30:21 | preglow | and if we're drifting off-topic, we might as well discuss beer! |
23:30:26 | ToHellWithGA | i'll check out some themes this weekend so i can shock even more people on the way to tennessee next week |
23:31:48 | pixelma | preglow: I want one... sat here all day syncing the lang file, almost done now... |
23:32:17 | DefineByte | okay, if amiconn's not around, anyone else got any knowledge of the backlight code? |
23:32:31 | preglow | pixelma: just had one... but that's all i have, unfortunately :/ |
23:32:39 | preglow | sycning lang files, ahh... |
23:32:43 | preglow | just did that twice, more than enough for me |
23:32:46 | ToHellWithGA | i made a 2 pm pot of coffee after a girl took me out to lunch but didn't eat (i guess she likes me XD) and am sitting at work after hours drinking it. |
23:33:10 | ToHellWithGA | beer would be nice, but i'm not going to start at 4:30pm on a friday |
23:33:31 | petur | pfff it's 23:33 here |
23:34:17 | ToHellWithGA | columbia, missouri, USA here |
23:34:34 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: What do you want to do? |
23:35:00 | ToHellWithGA | fridays are supposed to be half days but i just about lost my job by leaving the company's camera in the rental car on my first trip ever so i'm making up for lost time after the rental company overnighted it to us |
23:35:02 | pixelma | preglow: yeah, was much fun... especially because I wanted to have the order right and genlang couldn't cope with the renamed, semi-new strings |
23:35:03 | petur | preglow: if it makes you feel any better, I'm also out of beer (and too lazy to go to the shop now - yes, we have shops selling some beer open till 2 in the morning) |
23:35:51 | amiconn | DefineByte: It was multi-value because it defined which backlight code to use. App level only ever checked it for presence/absence |
23:36:06 | amiconn | It was removed when backlight handling got moved into target tree |
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23:37:33 | DefineByte | i'm updating a patch that uses it and i was wondering if i could just remove it or if it needs replacing with something |
23:37:43 | * | petur wonders if miepchen^schlaf went to bed :) |
23:37:49 | preglow | petur: curse you! |
23:38:04 | DefineByte | i'm fondling in the dark really |
23:38:13 | amiconn | Depends on what the patch did with it |
23:38:50 | DefineByte | it just tested it to see if the target was an ipod video/nano |
23:39:17 | amiconn | And on what level was that check done? (firmware or apps) |
23:39:24 | DefineByte | just seemed a roundabout way to detect the target to me. |
23:39:33 | DefineByte | firmware |
23:39:47 | DefineByte | backlight.c |
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23:40:26 | amiconn | Checking for a specific model is strongly discouraged, except in the target tree of course. That's why this multi-value thing existed, which was removed in favour of code in target tree |
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23:41:07 | DefineByte | how many targets support pwm? |
23:41:09 | amiconn | This is because rockbox is multiplatform, and features should be implemented for all targets as far as the hardware allows it |
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23:42:22 | DefineByte | it was controlling the brightness with pwm, not sure how many targets support that at the mo |
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23:43:38 | amiconn | All which have HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING defined |
23:44:08 | amiconn | But this shouldn't be used for extended periods, especially not on coldfire targets |
23:44:11 | DefineByte | that's what i was about to say, you could just test for that, job done |
23:44:21 | DefineByte | ph |
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23:45:22 | DefineByte | i've heard talk of a better way but i don't know it |
23:45:26 | amiconn | This is software PWM, firing loads ióf interrupts while active. And on coldfire, it requires the CPU to stay boosted all the time. Not because it would be too slow at the lower clock frequency, but in order to ensure short-period timer stability |
23:46:18 | amiconn | The bootom of that is that it costs battery runtime. Some on PP targets, some more on coldfire. For fade in /fade out it's okay, but not for longer periods |
23:47:27 | DefineByte | so the correct method for setting the backlight brightness is not currently known and pwm is best avoided? |
23:47:42 | DefineByte | hmm, might forget it then |
23:47:46 | barrywardell | amiconn: just reading the logs about the H10 disk poweroff. I'm fairly convinced it is working on my own H10. |
23:47:52 | amiconn | Not all targets allow setting the backlight brightness using hardware pwm |
23:48:08 | amiconn | On those targets where we know that and how it works, we use it |
23:48:15 | petur | like h300 |
23:48:30 | amiconn | Yes, and X5 and Gigabeat |
23:48:33 | DefineByte | the ipod video/nano supports it i think |
23:48:36 | barrywardell | it improved battery life, and flipping the GPIO without spinning the disk down first gives a disconcerting 'click' |
23:48:48 | amiconn | barrywardell: You have the "big" H10, right? |
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23:48:56 | barrywardell | amiconn: yes, 20GB. |
23:49:02 | DefineByte | it's just unknown (or so i've read,...a while ago) |
23:49:03 | petur | amiconn: it's not a standard feature of the pcf? |
23:49:09 | amiconn | I was talking about the small one |
23:49:13 | barrywardell | so it's quite possible that it's different for other models |
23:49:30 | amiconn | petur: The pcf can do pwm, but the backlight is not necessarily controlled by the pcf |
23:49:40 | austriancoder | petur: a short status update: integration of stack into rb is almost done. missing is 1) call of usb_stack_shutdown in apps 2) get settingscode done. The stack design for device driver part is done and I started working on storage driver. The problem with tx still exists (jhMikes tried is luck, but I got no success message from him - he was fighting with gpio interrups for the usb controller), but I will continue working on the st |
23:49:43 | DefineByte | can you detect hardware pwm? |
23:49:48 | petur | ah, it depends on how they connected it |
23:49:54 | barrywardell | amiconn: ah, ok. that's the first difference in the gpio stuff that I've seen so far between models |
23:49:56 | amiconn | And even if it is, some condenser can prevent it from working |
23:50:37 | amiconn | Back when backlight fading was new (introduced by Slasheri for H100), I tried porting it to archos player, which has a LED backlight controlled via a gpio pin |
23:51:13 | petur | austriancoder: ok, if you put a patch online I'll have a look some time tomorrow |
23:51:16 | amiconn | It didn't work. Backlight stayed on until the pwm duty cycle was reduced quite far. Then it started to flicker, but didn't fade |
23:51:46 | austriancoder | petur: fine |
23:51:57 | amiconn | The routine itself was working perfectly, I verified it with the red LED (which we normally use for hdd activity), and which is also connected to gpio |
23:52:03 | ToHellWithGA | DefineByte: 19 11x17 pages. i feel like the anti-hippie |
23:52:08 | Nico_P | austriancoder: nice :) |
23:52:24 | ToHellWithGA | my work goes through paper like trees are easy to come by anyway though :/ |
23:52:33 | austriancoder | Nico_P: linux linked list works here fine :) |
23:52:39 | DefineByte | how can you live with yourself? think of the trees! :p |
23:53:07 | ToHellWithGA | i now have a rockbox manual in 1/2 sheet form, 2 pages per half sheet. 70some pages thick at 8.5" wide by 5.5" tall |
23:53:11 | Nico_P | austriancoder: I can imagine that... Is it in the core with your patch ? |
23:53:12 | ToHellWithGA | it is cute and a quarter |
23:53:27 | | Part wwalker |
23:54:03 | austriancoder | Nico_P: yes |
23:54:30 | Nico_P | austriancoder: then i'll probably start switching to it once your patch will have been committed |
23:54:41 | DefineByte | so HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING is it? no HAVE_HW_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING or some such? :( |
23:55:34 | austriancoder | where is the shutdown function in rb? cant find it |
23:55:38 | amiconn | barrywardell: I didn't verify my theory yet, it's just a suspicion (because of the very short runtime - I got less than 4 hours runtime in actual usage) |
23:56:20 | barrywardell | it sounds like the runtime is much worse on the small models |
23:56:24 | DefineByte | where is all this kind of stuff documented? can't find it on the wiki. do you just have to traul through the code? >.> |
23:56:49 | barrywardell | I get ~10 hours compared to ~15 with the OF |
23:57:03 | amiconn | DefineByte: If you want backlight adjustment on nano and know the OF can do it, so that there must be hardware support for it, then that hardware support needs to be figured out |
23:57:04 | | Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") |
23:57:24 | Nico_P | petur: I'm not sure I'll be able to come back here much before I leave for a vacation so I probably won't catch Llorean... could you tell him I'll be back on the 25th ? |
23:57:40 | Nico_P | I think I mentioned it on my wiki page anyway but I'm not sure he reads it :) |
23:57:52 | petur | why not mail him? |
23:57:59 | amiconn | The channel is logged... and you can use memoserv as well... |
23:58:51 | Nico_P | petur: yeah, I'll probably just do that... amiconn: true but I don't like to rely on people reading the logs |