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#rockbox log for 2007-08-27

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00:14:30petureuh... x5 not in the build table for the second time...
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00:22:20bluebrotherhmm. How about blocking attachments to the user-ml?
00:22:39bluebrothergetting kb-sized images as signature is some kind of abuse imo
00:25:30*amiconn is more annoyed about those spamlink posts
00:26:09FebsThat babydaffy person needs to be removed from the list.
00:26:12amiconn(e.g. in the "Blind people and cygwin" thread
00:26:43*amiconn doesn't get to see signature images :)
00:26:54Phalangeeswhat does rb->rand() return? A random number between ? and ?. It's not 0 and 1 because it returns and int.
00:27:35amiconnText only mailer :)
00:31:38amiconnPhalangees: 'man rand'
00:33:24linuxstbPhalangees: Or remember you're dealing with open source - the implementation of rand() is in firmware/common/random.c
00:34:02PhalangeesThanks for the help.
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00:34:28saratogahow many integers did you expect to find between 0 and 1 anyway?
00:35:15PhalangeesThat's what I'm saying. From past coding stuff I've done the random generator made a double between 0 and 1. The plugin.h says that rb->rand() returns an int. Hence why I'm confused
00:36:02linuxstbrand() is a standard POSIX function. Hence amiconn's pointer to the standard man page.
00:36:08saratogawell theres no floating point unit on any rockbox targets, so floats are out
00:36:16amiconnFloating point is strongly discouraged in rockbox.
00:36:25amiconnThe core is completely floating point free zone
00:39:01PhalangeesI still don't get it. :p I'm new to all this stuff.
00:39:21PhalangeesI'm just trying to learn it. I need to make a random number between 0 and 240
00:39:21amiconnsaratoga: Well, there will be the gigabeat S. A weird machine for a dap...
00:41:15linuxstbPhalangees: rb->srand(*rb->current_tick); followed by x = rb->rand() % 241;
00:42:17PhalangeesOk. Thanks linuxstb.
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01:22:09khlavhi
01:22:22khlavcan i run the rockbox simulator on win98?
01:22:27khlavthe nano version
01:23:18rasherHave you tried?
01:23:29khlavyes, but the simulator can't read any file
01:23:39khlaveverytime i try to load a plug in, or enter the files menu
01:23:47khlavi get a "No files" popup
01:24:01rasherdid you build the sim yourself?
01:24:01khlavi've read in the rockbox pages, about a msvrc70.dll file
01:24:09khlavbut still without luck
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01:24:19khlavnope, i've download the precompiled builds
01:24:29khlavfrom rasher.dk
01:25:03rasherInteresting. I really don't know why it wouldn't work on Windows 98.
01:25:21khlavok, thanks anyway
01:25:23amiconnMaybe it's compiled with unicode support
01:25:27khlavi'll continue searching
01:25:33khlavoh, i see
01:25:41khlavmaybe i need to switch to xp
01:25:46khlavthanks
01:25:47khlavbye
01:26:02amiconnThe earliest windows where we know that the sim works is 2000
01:27:04iamben_whats windows 98?
01:27:15rasherI don't think msvrc70.dll is relevant.
01:27:37rasherMentions of that file are in 5 year old mailing list posts as far as I can tell
01:27:52amiconnIt sure isn't anymore
01:28:06amiconnSome time way back the sim could be compiled with msvc
01:28:13amiconnThose times are long gone
01:28:21rasherAnd good riddance
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01:31:42rasherThe most obvious guess is unicode problems
01:31:57PhalangeesHow would I print a variable in rockbox?
01:32:17rasherDepends how and why you want it printed?
01:32:32PhalangeesJust to print the integer called score
01:32:56rasherTake a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI
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01:35:04PhalangeesThat tells me how to print a string but if I try to do rb->putsxy(5,5,"Score: %i") where do I tell what the %i is. Sorry if this seems like a really stupid question. I'm very new to this.
01:35:32PhalangeesOr is it completely different then printf();
01:35:48aliaskPhalangees: You can't put formatted strings in putsxy
01:36:16aliaskYou'd need to first fill a string with the formatting using snprintf and then use putsxy to put the string to the screen
01:36:30PhalangeesAh. Ok. Thanks for your help.
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01:38:06rasherYou probably want %d rather than %i. (not sure if %i even exists)
01:38:19saratogaif you're debugging, splash() and DEBUGF() can be helpful too
01:39:16aliaskAnyone tried the TTS patch?
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01:44:01rasherLooking at it now. Odd way of distributing it, a zip file of apps/plugins/ subdirs
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01:44:33Phalangeesaliask: Works perfectly :D. Thanks for your help!
01:44:38aliask:)
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01:54:34aliaskThe TTS is pretty good
01:55:15saratogaToni is a win32 developer i think, probably not used to patch
01:56:04aliaskSeems to have stuttering problems in languages other than english though - not sure if it's because I'm making it read english text
01:57:28aliaskHrm, maybe it was just that. Seems ok now.
01:58:55rasherSeems to be doing nothing at all on h120
01:59:10aliaskI'm playing on the sim
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01:59:29rasherMaybe it's just really slow
01:59:36rasherI'll let it run for a bit
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02:01:01markunwow, pretty cool someone did a espeak port!
02:01:11aliaskShame it's GPL v3 :(
02:01:19aliaskhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7660
02:01:26rasherIt really does nothing on h120 it seems
02:01:52aliaskrasher: You extracted the data as well?
02:02:08rasherYup
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02:08:38scorche45 user-ML mails over the night?...eek
02:09:47rasherAnd again my emails are not getting through. Damn tubes.
02:10:12scorchethey take a while sometimes
02:10:37rasherAh, the other way. I'm not recieving any emails at all.
02:10:42scorcheoh
02:10:52scorche"I've been with them since 1993, so I am well versed in making changes with the AOL email client." heh...nothing to brag about...
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02:12:57Febsscorche: true that.
02:14:08FebsThe follow up e-mail is classic too: "if you're not going to change your service provider, I'm not going to change my signature."
02:14:14Febs(paraphrasing)
02:14:23scorcheyeah...and then she brings it back
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02:15:27scorchewhat do they not get about "you are using our service. respect us giving you this service by folowwing our simple rules" do they run red lights because they think red lights should be used for go instead of green?
02:16:12Febsscorche: responding on rockbox-community.
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03:04:26ToHellWithGAdo i need to deinstall the bootloader to be able to use itunes to load videos into my ipod then reinstall it later?
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03:23:04safetydanToHellWithGA, no
03:23:32ToHellWithGAsafetydan: i'll try resetting my VM. it seems to detect my ipod as a storage device and nothing more :/
03:25:05ToHellWithGAfrom experience would any of yall recommend ffmpeg for transcoding/coercing my videos into an ipod-ready format?
03:28:03safetydanToHellWithGA, if you're using iTunes to load the videos, there's a setting that controls whether the iPod is detected as a plain-old-disk or an iPod. You would have had to change this setting to load Rockbox in the first place.
03:28:10EnterUserNameTohellwithga: FFMPEG is kinda crappy
03:28:14EnterUserNamewell ti works and is watchable
03:28:19EnterUserNamebut it is not as good as mencoder
03:28:22EnterUserNamefrom my experience....
03:28:53LloreanEnterUserName: Remember that there are guidelines in this channel about multiple lines? Try to write whole sentences on one line.
03:29:04EnterUserNameLLorean: sorry about that.. I will do that.
03:29:21ToHellWithGAi have videos on my computer in .avi and .mov with varying audio formats, bitrates, and resolutions. could you possibly help me with some command line switches to encode such things to ipod-compatible format, EnterUserName?
03:30:04EnterUserNameToHellWithGA: if you have linux and have the proper optiosn compiled in you can use the suggestion on the MPEGPLAYER plugin which is on the rockbox web site
03:30:18EnterUserNameif you want to use ffmpeg i downloaded WinFF to help me for my linux box
03:30:40ToHellWithGAyeaaaaah. i don't want to play mpeg via software. i'd rather reboot into the default ipod stuff and utilize my chips
03:30:53EnterUserName??
03:30:59ToHellWithGAis winff a windows program?
03:31:00LloreanToHellWithGA: Well this isn't the right place for asking how to convert them for the retail firmware.
03:31:05LloreanThis is #Rockbox
03:31:16ToHellWithGALlorean: point taken. EnterUserName, PM?
03:31:25EnterUserNameToHellWIthGA: It works with both windows and unix. I dont use the original software
03:31:28EnterUserNamesorry
03:31:33EnterUserNamei thought you meant rockbox. I can't help you with original software :)
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04:26:54rangerhey guys, anyone here an X5 expert?
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04:41:13Lloreanranger: You may be better off asking your question, it may not require an expert on a specific player
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04:42:54rangerI took the chance and went with the player angle
04:43:24rangeranyways, it's about the dual boot, it's been working fine but I must have deleted a critical file by mistake
04:43:44rangerand rockbox no longer works, but the original firmware still does
04:43:58rangerIm just wondering if it's a common issue or not
04:44:36safetydanranger, are you getting any error messages?
04:45:04rangersort of BUT I really have to leave now... I shall return if you guys think you can help me
04:45:10rangerit just says 'no file'
04:45:16rangerand wont 'play/pause' etc
04:45:20rangerits strange
04:45:26rangerbut anyway work calls
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04:56:36copyflakei installed rockbox on my ipod video but the recording function does not seem to pick up any sound when i plug in my microphone, unlike my older ipod which does, are there any workarounds for this problem?
04:57:41LloreanAre you using the line in via a dock? That's the only input Video iPods have
04:58:41copyflakea dock
04:58:53copyflakewhat kind of dock are you talking about?
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05:00:46Soapthe connector on the bottom of 4th (?) gen up iPods.
05:01:05copyflakeoh right, the hole i plug my usb thing into
05:01:17Soapcopyflake: the 5th gen iPods don't have a mic input via the headphone jack.
05:01:48scorchealthough that hasnt stopped people from trying...
05:01:50copyflakeah right, so how do you plug in a mic through the "doc"
05:01:51copyflake?
05:02:12copyflake"dock"
05:02:30LloreanYou need either a special connector, of the iPod docks that you can sit an iPod on, that have a line in plug on them.
05:02:41scorchecopyflake: you create or find an appropriate dock cable that uses the line in pins, and plug your mic/pre-amp into that
05:03:00copyflakewow, sounds a bit out of my league
05:03:16Soapyou most likely not only need a special adapter, but also an amplifier, as mic-level inputs would be too low in comparison to the line-level input the iPod expects.
05:03:27copyflakethat's true
05:04:23copyflakeok well, if that's not going to work i better stick to the 4G ipod i have, but has a much older battery inside, the video ipod i got has a new one i stuck in today, in terms of preserving battery life in rockbox, i've got the backlight off, i've got the contrast low
05:04:25copyflakeany other tips?
05:06:17Soapminimize track skipping.
05:06:29SoapI'm not sure contrast adds up to a hill of beans.
05:06:45SoapI haven't seen it tested, and I don't know how it would save battery power.
05:07:22copyflakei won't be playing music off this, only recording
05:07:27copyflakeso i'm not sure if track skipping will apply to me
05:07:54SoapThe main problem is there is a leech sucking power right now on both your 4th gen and 5th gen. Putting a bandaid over the papercut on your finger (contrast, and even backlight) won't stop the massive heamoraging caused by the giant leech.
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05:08:10SoapI guess track-skipping won't apply then. ;)
05:08:38LloreanRecording to a compressed format will probably preserve more battery life, though I can't say for certain
05:08:51copyflakei thought that would take more Llorean
05:09:05LloreanIt takes more cpu, but spins the disk much, much less often (if you're recording to lossy)
05:10:04Soaphttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8867.msg68613#msg68613
05:10:14Soap /suggests/ that CPU usage is not a large draw.
05:10:38Soapand clearly shows the constant, unresolved, power drain. Also shows backlight is a killer.
05:11:06copyflakeat least i got that off, that's something
05:11:19LloreanCPU usage will be a much larger draw once the other battery issue, whatever it is, is resolved. ;)
05:11:24Soapaye
05:11:25LloreanWell, relative to the idle draw
05:11:46LloreanToo bad it was a nano, so no "spinup" and "spinning" draw test
05:12:21Soapwhy I tried to stress "suggests" ;)
05:13:00LloreanThough I think there's some published numbers somewhere for the current draws on the disks.
05:13:41copyflakei can't imagine me doing more than about 1 or 2 hours worth of recording a day for the week i'm meant to be recording, and i'll be recharing every night
05:13:43copyflakei hope it will last me
05:13:59copyflakewould recording suck more battery than playback
05:14:08Soapyea, trying to find that. IIRC power draw on the gigabeat was measured during disk access and w/o. That would most likely be similar (delta) to the iPod.
05:14:42LloreanSoap: I think though that at Toshiba's site they give you their claimed numbers, too.
05:14:47Soapyou also realize, copyflake, that there is no input gain control on the PortaPlayer devices at this time?
05:15:08copyflakehow do you mean
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05:16:05Soapyou can't increase (or decrease) the recording volume - the gain - so that you aren't recording 12 bits of silence and only 4 bits of data (gross example)
05:16:29copyflakeit does show volume and gain on my recording screen though
05:17:06MonkeyTamerI have a quick question regarding the treble setting if someone would be so kind: is the setting limited to the options given? Or, can I change in config to a value like 65, in between the displayed values of 7.5 and 6.0?
05:17:22Soapunless an update slipped under my radar the PP devices can't /adjust/ that gain, though.
05:18:24copyflakei can change that gain yes
05:18:47copyflakeits on 1.6 db atm and i can up it or lower it
05:19:01Lloreancopyflake: But it doesn't do anything
05:19:26LloreanAt least as far as I know
05:19:41copyflakeif thats the case im still not fussed, its feeding a healthy level in on my soundtests before
05:21:42copyflakeas long as i can get about 2-2.5 hours of recording time a day out of it
05:21:43copyflakei'm happy
05:24:00safetydanMonkeyTamer, I don't believe there's any input validation wehn reading the config files. But depending on how that value is translated for the hardware, weirdness may ensue if you try inbetween values.
05:24:39MonkeyTamermakes sense, thanks
05:25:22Soaptryit - tell us what happens!
05:25:33MonkeyTamerhehe, I'm giving it a shot
05:25:51Soapit's not like it will blow up your player. ;)
05:26:23MonkeyTameroh no, wasn't worried about that, was just curious whether the displayed values were like "concrete" values
05:26:38LloreanI think in many cases they are based on hardware limits, yet.
05:26:49Lloreanyes
05:28:56safetydanFor bass and treble yes the limits are set by the hardware.
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05:29:14safetydanUnless of course you're using the software tone controls.
05:29:24RudMancan I get write access for the wiki?
05:29:37safetydanThe equalizer should support in between values as well.
05:30:46MonkeyTamerI will likely have to play with the equalizer in this case
05:31:16safetydanWhat are you trying to achieve?
05:31:37MonkeyTamertrying to avoid the highs being too sharp
05:31:45MonkeyTamerwithout removing clarity
05:31:56safetydanAnd you need smaller than .5dB increments?
05:32:09MonkeyTameroh no, I mean between 7.5 and 6.0
05:32:25safetydanah right
05:32:43MonkeyTamerI'm surely being a bit nit picky
05:32:53MonkeyTamerprobably more than necessary is all ;)
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06:18:02scorcheis there something about the port specifically that you would like to ask about?
06:21:40goatzJust wondering, because I am having some weird error messages / fire corruption and was tring to narrow it down to hardware or software. I read in the forums that some other people had problems (but with older builds) errors like prefetch etc.
06:23:34RudManscorche: can I get write access for the wiki?
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07:43:14EnterUserNameis there somethign with the battery indicator on Sansa e280. Its showing 3/4 when its been charging for 5 hours
07:43:23EnterUserNameor does it require the battery when copying files?
07:43:31EnterUserNameand thats why its saying its 3/4?
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07:50:25MyAdlerI seem to be having trouble with the volume control on the iriver h10... seemingly randomly the volume will rise to the highest....it gets really annoying...
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08:00:33MyAdlerits version r14406M-070820
08:01:04scorchehave you tested with the latest official version?
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08:01:47scorcheas, that is not...
08:02:12MyAdlerpretty much..... its hard to test because the effect doesnt always happen.... but the version on it is almost the current one
08:02:30scorchethat version is not an official build
08:04:10MyAdleroh, its not.....? well then i guess im off to find the official build
08:04:26scorchewell, where did you get it?
08:06:30MyAdlerthe current builds page....
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08:06:45MyAdleron the rockbox.org website
08:07:36LloreanCurrent builds shouldn't report an M in the build revision.
08:07:48scorchehrm...try with a latest build anyway...if you got it there, i dont knwo why it would say modified...
08:07:52LloreanAs well, that's a week old.
08:08:02LloreanWhen did you last update? Maybe you didn't install properly?
08:09:18MyAdlerupdated about a week ago, and i dont know how i could possibly instal wrong....
08:09:39LloreanWell, a week ago is right for that revision.
08:09:47LloreanBut you said "almost the current one" so I'd assumed a day or so.
08:10:12LloreanAs there's been 63 updates since then. ;)
08:11:03LloreanIf I had to hazard a guess, it's the ADC, as I believe there've been passed issues with the H10 ADC. Would you say that it most commonly happens when the battery is relatively low?
08:11:17LloreanErr, past issue
08:11:19Lloreans
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08:12:19*Llorean wonders why we're missing two X5 builds on the build table.
08:12:37MyAdlernot sure about the battery.... its almost always pretty low....needs replacing
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08:13:18LloreanMyAdler: Well the ADC is known to have issues at low voltage. The original firmware shuts down at a higher voltage than we do, or so I've been told.
08:13:42LloreanAgain this is all if I understand other people correctly, as I don't personally have experience with this player.
08:15:09MyAdlerI see... well ill try it with the newer build and if i still have problems.... ill be sure to keep you guys up to date
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08:24:30ddaltonhas anyone had any luck with p7660?
08:26:01ddaltonhas anyone tried p7660
08:26:03ddalton?
08:27:08Lloreanddalton: People who try it should probably post comments to it, it looks like one person has tried it and found it not to work
08:27:37ddaltonOk but how do I run it?
08:28:19LloreanIt's a plugin... you just choose it in the plugins list, I would assume, with a text file as the description suggests.
08:28:43ddaltonshould I just rename it with the .rock extention?
08:28:50ddaltonOr should I compile the source?
08:29:41LloreanIt's source, it needs to be compiled.
08:29:49LloreanPlugins have to be compiled for specific players anyway
08:29:54ddaltondid you see the other file there?
08:30:06ddaltono yeah good point I will try that.
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08:37:54ddaltonApparently someone wants Paul Louden and my self to pay there internet bill.
08:37:59ddaltoncan't work out why.
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08:39:16bsdfox__could anyone give me advice on using the amarok cover art downloader with a 4g photo ipod?
08:39:38scorchethat is is a bit off topic...
08:39:54bsdfox__er
08:40:09bsdfox__roc"rockbox wps cover creator"
08:40:34bsdfox__I've got it installed and running but checking the logs for the script there is no activity
08:41:02scorchei would ask whoever wrote that program...
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08:45:21LloreanB4gder: Any idea about the missing X5 builds?
08:45:56B4gderI'll check
08:52:10B4gdervery strange...
08:53:38amiconnLlorean: The builds itself aren't missing...
08:54:07Lloreanamiconn: Just the entries in the table?
08:54:19amiconnyes
08:54:45amiconnSee below, try downloading the X5 build (works) and check the svn rev in rockbox-info.txt (it's the latest)
08:54:47LloreanI'll admit I honestly didn't look any further than that, except trying to decipher that buildmaster log thingy
08:55:23*amiconn thinks that's more odd that if the build was outright missing
08:55:30*Llorean agrees
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08:58:03*bluebrother reads user-ml and still wonders who those "anal veterans" would be ...
08:58:40ddaltonsomeone told me that I should split there internet bill with paul.
08:58:41B4gderthat's me! ;-)
08:59:10B4gderclearly the build log can get messed up somehow
08:59:20B4gderand then the showbuilds script that makes the table gets confused
08:59:43bluebrotherI'm really curious why this one guy accepts paul's point in keeping the ml clean while I stated almost the same earlier
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09:00:34ddaltonB4gder: are you the one with aol?
09:00:51Lloreanddalton: No, he's saying he's one of the "anal veterans" I think
09:01:03ddaltonok so who is paul then?
09:01:06LloreanI'm Paul.
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09:01:08B4gderI'm the one volunteering to take all the blame
09:01:19LloreanI think I got the blame for a few other peoples' posts though
09:01:25B4gderhaha
09:01:27bluebrothermaybe I should join Febs and stop reading the user ml.
09:01:57amiconnSeems rasher is spot-on what's the actual problem with cygwin slowness. And I always thought it was filesystem related...
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09:02:06Lloreanamiconn: What did it turn out to be?
09:02:16ddaltonI apparently told someone they couldn't have their signature but I didn't say that at all it was someone else.
09:02:20amiconnIt's process creation.
09:02:33ddaltonand they think you and me should split there aol bill.
09:02:36LloreanYep
09:02:56bluebrotherwho wants to use aol anyway? *g*
09:03:07amiconnWith rasher's first version, creating a voice with SAPI5 took ~5 minutes (1 process created per voice clip: lame, as wavtrim was missing)
09:03:11ddaltonnot me gmail is good I think.
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09:03:28amiconnWith wavtrim in place (2 processes per voice clip) it now takes ~10 minutes...
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09:04:28amiconnBut my old vbscript took < 1 minute (creating the processes from within the vbscript). SO I'll move the 2 steps into the vbscript for sapi (even though that means some code duplication)
09:04:52LloreanI think convenience on that scale surpasses code duplication woes. ;)
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09:21:03B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-08/0373.shtml
09:21:12B4gderthe best mail in that whole thread ;-)
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09:23:25*petur feels happy not to be subscribed there :)
09:23:39*aliask also
09:23:46*B4gder feels happy to not have been around when the discussion took place
09:24:10scorchethe headache will wait
09:26:01LloreanI'd rather not have gotten involved, but it seemed like it was going to go further astray and I was hoping if it was just put clearly enough, things might calm down. =/
09:26:42scorchethis is sounding like the tagline of a bad movie
09:26:48ddaltonI just told someone how to top-post. And then it seemed like the aol person got anoyed with my breafe instructions.
09:26:59ddaltonand they said I am hard to please.
09:27:24LloreanThat's the problem
09:27:40B4gderhehee, asbestos underwear helps!
09:27:47LloreanIf you give someone terse and to the point instructions, you're being "abrubt" or "impolite", and if you give them full, detailed instructions, you're "talking down to them" or "impolite"
09:27:48B4gder:-)
09:27:49peturrofl
09:28:07B4gderover time you learn to take the flame wars better...
09:28:28Zagortake = ignore :)
09:28:31LloreanHehehe
09:28:48ddaltonwell I thought I explained it ok. but obviously not.
09:29:13Lloreanddalton: The first thing to learn is that it's impossible to predict human reaction. If someone doesn't like it, just go on to the next thing.
09:29:14B4gderddalton: you did, but in a "discussion" like that it can never be clear enough to some
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09:30:22*Llorean offends people *all* the time.
09:30:49B4gderhehe, I know about the feeling
09:31:06B4gderI bet I've been in just about every flame war on the rockbox list before this ;-)
09:31:11ddaltonWell I found it strange that someone would say I am hard to please when I say there not top-posting and I explain how to do it.
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09:31:31ddaltonI thought I would get involved.
09:31:35ddaltonjust my first one.
09:32:26LloreanI only get involved if it feels like the argument will never end. Like in this case, one side was arguing "Top posting is better" and the other side was arguing "People should follow the rules", which are sides in two different arguments.
09:32:31peturanybody interested in the latest patch from austriancoder?
09:32:45Lloreanpetur: What does it do?
09:32:53LloreanI mean, I'm assuming it's USB related.
09:32:58peturpartial usb implementation
09:33:05scorchepetur: he came back? =)
09:33:13peturmailed me, yes
09:33:20JdGordondoes this have multiple drivers which he wanted the setting screen done for?
09:33:27peturyes
09:33:33aliaskpetur: Sure, what does it add?
09:33:33JdGordonok, /me wants it them
09:33:36peturserial and UMS
09:33:44aliaskSweet
09:33:44ddaltonyes and it is usually blind people that complain about the bottom posting. I am not having a go at blind people I am blind myself and I hardly ever top-post unless I am forced to.
09:33:44LloreanI'm just worried we'll get USB implemented, and it'll be something like 1mb/minute, much to the dismay of all our happy fans.
09:34:18aliaskpetur: I'd like a copy, so that once I get my gigabeat working again I can test
09:34:29Lloreanddalton: I think part of the misunderstanding is that people seem to think that we want the whole previous email at the top of the message. Sometimes I get the impression that's what idea some of them have.
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09:35:01Lloreanpetur: Does that mean the sansa can actually accept file transfers, or is the UMS more just accepting a connection or what?
09:35:14ddaltonanyway something different in my inbox monday morning.
09:35:26ddalton"Daniel Dalton you are hard to please"
09:35:41ddaltonactually I think there was a : somewhere as well.
09:36:00peturLlorean: it is not functional yet
09:36:03ddaltonand then I should pay there internet bill for just giving them advice.
09:36:08*JdGordon has a naughty mind and thought of a rude joke for that last addition :p
09:36:14Lloreanpetur: Alright. I was curious where the "partial" ends. :)
09:36:44peturuploaded his patch here: petur/gsoc/">http://users.telenet.be/petur/gsoc/
09:37:29peturLlorean: I'll know tonight when I can test. His previous version did absolutely nothing on my H10
09:37:31LloreanWould it be possible, in the future, for Database to transparently add files as they're transferred on to the player? (Obviously at a cost to transfer speed, I'm sure)
09:37:49LloreanOn units with this kind of USB, that is.
09:37:57peturno
09:38:10peturunless it is all in memory
09:38:25peturyou can't access disk during UMS
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09:38:53JdGordonwhat about storing dircache to disk and then only rebuyilidn git if usb was attached?
09:38:54LloreanDuring UMS we should have a good deal of memory that can be used though, the audio buffer right?
09:39:08JdGordonmuch faster dircache load on hard disk players...
09:39:27peturfirst USB has to work :)
09:39:31LloreanObviously. :)
09:39:35Zagoron targets with soft-usb it could be done, couldn't it?
09:39:40LloreanZagor: I would assume it could
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09:39:44LloreanIt's essentially what MTP players do
09:39:49Zagorexactly
09:39:51LloreanThey just use MTP to transfer the metadata, I thought
09:40:09LloreanAs opposed to scanning themselves
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10:33:34linuxstb_petur: Is that patch you posted using ac's own low-level driver, or MrH's ?
10:33:59peturfrom first looks it seems to be his own, and using interrupts
10:34:40peturhave not done a real compare of the code
10:34:44linuxstb_That's good. Did he say what's working?
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10:35:01peturyes, one moment
10:36:25peturlinuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/672090
10:37:15peturmisses a mechanism to notify his driver of incoming data
10:40:19linuxstbWhat's "CH9" ?
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10:40:54*linuxstb googles and discovers "Chapter 9"
10:40:57peturchapter 9, the part of the spec that is in chapter 9 of the spec ;)
10:41:18peturdeals with the endpoint stuff and more
10:41:22petur(iirc)
10:41:43linuxstb"USB Device Framework" (Chapter 9)
10:42:09peturyes
10:42:23linuxstbIt's nice that there's a test application we can use to test Rockbox's compliance.
10:43:07peturmy first test yesterday on H10 didn't do a thing, I hope I get more out of it tonight
10:43:38linuxstbWas barrywardell testing on his H10?
10:43:46peturyes
10:44:05linuxstbI'm just about to try it now on my ipod Color.
10:44:55peturdon't dorget to add the two defines to your config_xxx.h
10:44:59petur*forget
10:46:51linuxstbYes, I noticed those.
10:47:03bluebrotherwhat's the second? USE_USBSTACK and ...?
10:47:29peturerrrr.... look in the e-200 config file...
10:47:46bluebrotherah :)
10:47:58*amiconn thinks that the final implementation should go without a #define in the config-*.h
10:48:23peturand USE_xxx doesn't follow the normal naming
10:51:51bluebrotherhmm, doesn't build for mini2g ... IRAM full :(
10:53:46linuxstbHmm, nothing at all happens on my ipod Color - Rockbox stays in the file browser when I attach USB...
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11:02:21peturlinuxstb: does the same thing on my H10 (nothing
11:03:12linuxstbpetur: Seems ac has removed all the code from usb_init_device() - maybe that's preventing USB being detected.
11:03:27*petur gets enough work on his desk to keep him busy all day :/
11:03:58linuxstbpetur: It's a working day for you today?
11:03:59peturit would help a lot if he would get in here...
11:04:14peturlinuxstb: yes, not for you?
11:04:23linuxstbNo, it's a holiday in the UK today.
11:04:27daurn??????????wtf is this
11:04:28peturlucky you
11:05:07linuxstbIt's our last one until Christmas though...
11:08:38linuxstbCould any Sansa owner test if the patch at least does something there?
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11:17:20Lloreanlinuxstb: I get a USB logo on my e200
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11:17:37linuxstbLlorean: That's better than the ipods and H10 then...
11:18:18linuxstbDo you have a Linux box you can test on? You should see some messages in /var/log/messages when you attach your sansa
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11:18:40LloreanI'm on a linux box
11:19:20LloreanAnyone object to a 3-line paste?
11:19:30linuxstbI think we can live with that...
11:19:35LloreanAug 27 04:18:00 DarkkLinux kernel: [13462.256000] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 4
11:19:36LloreanAug 27 04:18:04 DarkkLinux kernel: [13466.828000] usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
11:19:36LloreanAug 27 04:18:05 DarkkLinux kernel: [13466.984000] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
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11:21:11LloreanWhy's the first message related to it a disconnect?
11:21:21linuxstbNo idea...
11:22:03LloreanOh, nevermind, that was the previous connection.
11:22:13LloreanSo it's just the latter two lines
11:22:39LloreanSo it seems to at least be recognizable as a device and connecting?
11:22:43linuxstbThose are the first two lines I get when connecting with the Apple firmware. It then starts displaying messages relating to SCSI and USB Mass Storage.
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11:24:01LloreanSo right now it "kinda" works, but needs some fixing on non-Sansas?
11:26:23linuxstbYes, I'm guessing that at least some of the old init_device code is needed. But I don't know how much (if any) has just been moved to other parts of the code...
11:26:52LloreanAaah
11:27:53LloreanOnce this is working, it'd be nice to have a "USB Mode" toggle in the System menu. So if you're plugged into a PC (for charging) you can go to it for file transfer, and maybe tap Select while in the USB screen to go back to charging.
11:28:14LloreanEspecially for users of docks.
11:28:36amiconnWhy should that be different than on hw usb targets?
11:28:39linuxstbWhy would that only be useful when this is working?
11:29:03LloreanThe answer to both of you is "it should be useful now, on HW targets, too"
11:29:29LloreanIt'd be nice to be able to exit USB mode to charging mode without unplugging, holding (button) and replugging.
11:30:26*amiconn thinks that'd be too dangerous, especially on linux (and probably macos too)
11:30:51*bluebrother agrees
11:31:18LloreanWell, from a computer you can eject, and it'll go to charging.
11:31:32LloreanOn some players, at least.
11:31:41*petur likes the way the H10 warns not to disconnect when transfer is busy...
11:31:43LloreanOn others you eject and it stays in the USB screen.
11:31:46amiconnWith sw usb that might be possible
11:32:00amiconnBut I don't really see the point, as it also charges when in usb
11:32:01LloreanSo it'd be nice to have a way to force it out of the USB screen after you've hit Eject on the PC
11:32:09Lloreanamiconn: So you can begin listening to music?
11:33:08linuxstbamiconn: This is for people that use their players to play music whilst they're connected to the computer. The same people that want to configure the behaviour when USB is attached...
11:33:49jbiti don't think it's "dangerous", just have a prompt asking if they're sure or something to avoid accidental forced disconnect
11:33:54LloreanAs it is, on my gigabeat, I'm glad there's a switch on the dock that turns USB on/off through the dock, so once I eject, I can flip that switch and it's able to playback
11:33:59jbiti mean it's jsut as dangerous as yanking the cord :)
11:34:08Lloreanjbit: It's dangerous if your OS hasn't finished writing, but hasn't told you that it hasn't
11:34:23Nico_Ppetur: I got quick answers from austriancoder :)
11:34:36jbitLlorean: i understand that, but it's no more dangerous than pulling the usb cable or removing hte played from the dock in that state
11:35:05jbitso just show a message saying "are you sure you wish to disconnect, this could cause data loss" or so
11:35:15Lloreanjbit: Exactly, and that's pretty dangerous too. I can see where having that function might suggest to people that it's similar to the "Eject" function, just initiated from the player's side
11:35:48amiconnYes, but an accidental button hit happens much easier than pulling the cable
11:35:51jbitit's a nice feature to have, imho :)
11:36:31amiconnBut rockbox could of course leave the usb screen (no special button necessary for that) when the computer disconnects usb
11:36:50amiconnThat would be possible with sw usb, and some hw usb targets too (e.g. X5)
11:37:02Lloreanamiconn: Which HW USB ones can't we do that with?
11:39:48*rasher now has a Gigabeat, E200 and H1x0 Tango icon
11:40:02LloreanOooh. 3 of the 5 players I use. :)
11:40:32rasherThe gigabeat and h1x0 are only in the 48x48 size though (and svg)
11:40:59Nico_Prasher: can we see ?
11:41:02bluebrotherrasher: cool :)
11:41:14linuxstbWhat's a Tango icon ?
11:42:01rasherNico_P: Yeah, hang on
11:42:04bluebrotheran icon matching the tango theme :)
11:42:05parafinhttp://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Desktop_Project
11:42:26linuxstbWhat's that used for? rbutil?
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11:42:34bluebrotherrbutil uses icons from the tango project
11:44:45rasherActually, it uses icons from gnome-icon-theme
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11:44:58rasherBecause those are GPL, the tango icons are CC-by-sa
11:45:04amiconnLlorean: It's only possible if (1) the usb bridge has a pin for signalling whether it got disconnected, and (2) this pin is connected to the player's CPU
11:45:14amiconnOh, and on swusb of course
11:45:31bluebrotherrasher: couldn't we include tango icons and state that fact in the about dialog?
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11:45:59bluebrotheror are those licenses incompatible?
11:46:14linuxstbReinstanting all the old code from usb_init_device (apart from the call to dr_controller_setup, which doesn't exist any more) seems to fix it on my ipod color. I also needed to disable all the code in usb_enable().
11:46:35linuxstb^reinstating
11:47:03linuxstbI get the same two lines in /var/log/messages that Llorean did.
11:47:08rasherbluebrother: Not when we're linking them into the binary, cc-by-sa isn't compatible with the GPL
11:47:28bluebrotherhmm, too bad :(
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11:47:46rasherBesides, gnome-icon-theme is rapidly approaching being a 1:1 copy
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11:50:03rasherNico_P: rasher.dk/rockbox/tango-icons/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/tango-icons/
11:51:33Nico_Pnice :)
11:51:44*linuxstb wonders how to make the ums or serial driver attempt to do something
11:51:55bluebrotherthey look really nice. Would be cool if we could use them in rbutil
11:52:20LloreanI personally prefer the no-phones versions.
11:52:25LloreanThey are all quite nice, though
11:55:29*ddalton Wonders if anyone has got p7660 to work on the h300.
11:57:25amiconnWhy not just scale down the svg drawings?
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11:59:52*bluebrother was thinking about that too
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12:01:37JdGordonpetur: do you know if the usb_stack_mode is the vairble he wants to be settable from a dynamically loaded list of some sort?
12:02:01peturnot sure...
12:02:36ddaltonHow much ram does the gigabeat have?
12:03:11ddaltonnot sure if that last message got through but how much ram does the gigabeat have?
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12:04:19Lloreanddalton: 32mb
12:04:56Lloreanmegabytes, rather.
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12:06:54ddaltonhas anyone considered committing p6138?
12:07:26ddaltonand maybe p7553
12:07:29ddaltonI think it is
12:09:30ddaltonIt is the voice file type one.
12:13:12*JdGordon wonders if someone can do a 6x8 pixel usb icon...
12:14:08*JdGordon slaps austriancoder around with a absent trout
12:15:01Nico_Phe said he was going to come around here soon
12:15:07JdGordonyay :)
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12:16:30*JdGordon slaps self... that idea wont work stupid head :p
12:17:40JdGordonhmm.... maybe it will....
12:18:28markunNico_P: when did you talk to him?
12:19:00Nico_Phe sent me an email about 3/4h ago
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12:21:53rasherddalton: I've got FS #7660 to not work on h100 if that counts
12:22:21rasheramiconn: The svg drawings don't scale well to really small sizes. They're too detailed
12:23:59*ddalton I will need to try the simulater.
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12:35:09jeegerHey, are there unicode fonts for rockbox? Containing all these german umlauts and the nordic characters?
12:35:40rasherAlmost all of the fonts in Rockbox include those characters
12:36:01rasherjeeger: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts for details (and the link at the bottom of that page)
12:36:19jeegerOh thanks.
12:36:28*jeeger blushes for not looking first
12:36:39rasherYou're looking for ISO8859-1 / ISO8859-15
12:37:15rasherOr on my page it's called "Additional latin" I believe
12:37:24jeegerYeah the characters.
12:37:39jeegerHowever, in the database, an Ä still gets displayed as a ?.
12:37:44jeegerI have selected unifont
12:37:50rasherThat might be a problem with your tags
12:38:10jeegerID3v2 tags use UTF-8 as a standard, right?
12:38:23rasherI honestly don't know
12:38:27amiconnNo, that depends on the exact version
12:38:49jeegerWikipedia knows^^
12:38:53jeegerOne moment
12:38:53B4gderid3 is... a very moving target
12:39:05amiconnID3v2.4 use UTF-8 as standard. ID3v2.3 uses the local codepage as standard, with an option to use UTF-16 (iirc)
12:39:10bluebrotherid3v2 can have utf8
12:39:34bluebrotheriirc id3v2 has a flag to indicate if the data is utf8.
12:39:36GodEater_rockbox-users seems to have become "rockbox-flamewar" yesterday! I'm glad I don't subscribe anymore.
12:39:52scorcheyou just noticed? =)
12:39:57bluebrothermaybe someone should setup rockbox-flames?
12:40:00jeegerbluebrother: Yeah just read it
12:40:01GodEater_no - I noticed yesterday
12:40:05GodEater_but I just caught up today
12:40:14bluebrotherjeeger: use ogg, vorbis comments are always utf8 ;-)
12:40:19jeegerSo how do I change/check the encoding of my mp3s?
12:40:24jeegerbluebrother: Legacy files^^
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12:43:34ddaltonWell who ever is using AOL had a go at me 3 times and said I told them that they couldn't have there signature. Well I think they should read the archives and stop complaining.
12:43:44ddaltoncause I never said that.
12:44:20B4gderddalton: just ignore it
12:45:06bluebrotherusers can be really a... (to avoid that word some user used for the "veterans" ;-)
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12:47:37ddaltonwhy would someone waste there time complaining to me? If it is about rubbish like that I am not going to care.
12:47:45*ddalton the delete key is handy!
12:50:40amiconnMy provider's mail filter marked the mails with those links in the signature as what they are - spam
12:50:44_jzcomment file being multilines in id3 vizualisation through context menu would be so good for very long comments !
12:51:07B4gderI must say that adding a bunch of ad links at the bottom of a mail is next to spam
12:51:14ddaltonsurely 21 kb is far to big for a one line reply.
12:51:25ddaltonwhat if they had a 50 line reply.
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12:52:37bluebrotherthen it would be 22kB. Or 21 * 50 kB :)
12:52:51*bluebrother considers HTML mails spam in almost all cases
12:53:01jeegerhehe
12:53:10jeeger+1
12:53:11B4gderyeha html in mail trigger my spam count big time
12:53:22*B4gder pats spamassassin
12:53:40ddaltonyeah why don't you add that to the rules. See what users think.
12:53:52ddaltonI am joking but would be a long argument!
12:54:03B4gderhehe
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12:55:06B4gder... but admittedly I do get a few legitmate mails in my spam box due to this
12:55:50*B4gder got a new spam high score last week with 10000 spams in less than 19 hours
12:56:39DerPapsto.O
12:56:44*ddalton wonders why top-posting was a bigger issue than the voice file problem.
12:57:03B4gderreligion vs technical...
12:57:32DerPapstbah.. smarty. wtf
12:57:34Lloreanamiconn: Someone has theorized that the Nano problem is actually a heat issue.
12:57:58scorchei doubt that...
12:58:22ddaltonwell I have seen the line "Daniel Dalton: Can anybody do anything to satisfy you?" far to offen. I am not even the moderator. Wonder what I said that was so bad.
12:58:31Lloreanscorche: For him, at least, his player was experiencing similar problems during hot weather, then when it cooled, worked again.
12:58:52scorcheLlorean: shall i get the hair dryer out? (assuming i have one around here)
12:59:00Lloreanddalton: Honestly, you just have to let it go. It's the other people who will never be satisfied, so you shouldn't worry about it.
12:59:07B4gderddalton: you really need to learn to just forget about stuff like that. as long as you speak out about subject, you will get a few loud people our there not understanding
12:59:20LloreanThe only way to avoid such things is not to post. :)
12:59:43*GodEater_ adopts this latter strategy
12:59:43Lloreanscorche: My hair drier has died. I guess I could take it out with me today.
12:59:56scorchei have used my nano in the vegas heat just fine...
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13:00:02ddaltonyeah well I got sick of seing the same messages in my inbox and I guess I shouldn't have. It achieved nothing.
13:00:12Lloreanscorche: Pre 80-mhz update, or post?
13:00:18scorchepre
13:00:31LloreanMaybe the flash can't be accessed as fast when hot?
13:00:41LloreanA combination of timing issues + heat?
13:00:44ddaltonbut if it is about top-posting why does someone want me to pay there internet bill? Shouldn't that be a different thred?
13:01:02scorcheLlorean: well, i have the hair dryer, although i feel a bit silly...
13:01:06LloreanIt could explain why there's no obvious hardware sign as to why one person's player works and another's doesn't: Environmental issues of some sort.
13:01:15LloreanWe could always just wait a day or two
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13:01:30LloreanSomeone else is sure to comment about "It's 30F here and mine still does it" or something similar.
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13:04:42amiconnLlorean: I doubt that, especially since some nanos are reported to have problems right after boot afaik
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13:04:59Lloreanamiconn: Left in the sun? It is often the black ones. ;)
13:05:22LloreanAh well, 'twas worth a shot.
13:05:43scorchewell, regardless, i am holding a hairdryer on my non, so we can disprove this properly
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13:06:34amiconnHeat might add to it, but is most likely not the root cause of the problem
13:07:24amiconnAnyway, all that is speculation without having access to an actual problematic unit
13:07:41LloreanYeah
13:07:59scorchemy nano is hot to the touch, and works just fine...no surprises there, but we can give a definite "that is not the issue"
13:08:01*Llorean just remembers he has a friend with a Nano.
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13:09:31peturbut does he have a hairdryer?
13:09:45LloreanHahaha
13:09:50LloreanActually, I'm almost certain he does.
13:09:59LloreanHe's a bit... I don't want to say vain, so we'll pretend I didn't.
13:10:28LloreanBut his is a good deal newer than mine, so maybe his will experience the problem
13:10:50LloreanIf it does, I can exchange mine for his, then run tests and if necessary mail it to amiconn.
13:11:03LloreanOr mail it to whomever is intereste.d
13:11:19LloreanThough I'm not used to hoping for a non-working player
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13:17:20scorchehrm...i might sit in for that Tek Talk thing just to make corrections...
13:18:43LloreanIf I'm not busy, I intend to.
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13:18:55LloreanTo watch out for misunderstandings.
13:19:31scorchewell, may the fastest corrector win =)
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13:20:04scorchehe lives! =)
13:24:15linuxstbaustriancoder: Did you see my comments earlier regarding your USB code on the ipod? It seems that at least some of the code you removed from usb_device_init() is required for usb detection to work. Petur reported a similar issue on the H10.
13:24:28*petur falls over
13:24:45linuxstbPutting it all back made it work again, but I don't know what the consequences of that will be, or how much was actually removed, or just moved to different parts of the driver...
13:25:04austriancoderlinuxstb: will add it back on git repo... on the sansa it works without it
13:26:43linuxstbIs anything needed to make the serial driver attempt to connect? When attaching my ipod to my Linux box, I just get the first two lines ("new high-speed USB device..." and "configuration #1 chosen...") in /var/log/messages but nothing about serial.
13:26:46peturaustriancoder: hosting the code now somewhere?
13:26:48JdGordonaustriancoder: hey, so what do you need for the setting stuff?
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13:27:50austriancoderlinuxstb: modprobe usbserial vendor=0x0525 product=0xa4a6
13:28:10austriancoderpetur: yes.. git... http://repo.or.cz
13:28:10linuxstbThat vendor/product code is hard-coded in your driver?
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13:28:20austriancoderlinuxstb: yes.. needs to be changed
13:28:39austriancodermaybe rockbox can get an own usb vendor id?
13:28:52peturcan we figure out the codes that pp uses
13:29:02peturaustriancoder: not just like that, no
13:29:46peturhttp://www.usb.org/developers
13:29:48oboouch - vendor ids cost... $2000 to $4000
13:29:48B4gder"Email admin@usb.org for more information on USB-IF membership and obtaining a VID."
13:30:01linuxstbaustriancoder: Now I get this - is it what you would expect? http://www.pastebin.ca/672204
13:30:14peturyes, The annual membership fee is US$4,000.
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13:30:35peturor 2000 for 2 years
13:30:36B4gderI think we'll manage without one ;*)
13:30:37LloreanYes, but you can *just* purchase a vendor ID for 2000
13:30:47linuxstbCan't we just reuse the original manufacturer's ID?
13:30:51austriancoderlinuxstb: looks good
13:30:52linuxstbs/original/hardware/
13:31:00Lloreanlinuxstb: I think we should.
13:31:02peturlinuxstb: that's what I said
13:31:07amiconnI think rockbox should use the VID and PID of the target it runs on
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13:31:09Lloreanpetur: That 2000 for 2 years is to use the USB Logo.
13:31:27peturoh...
13:31:57linuxstbaustriancoder: Then it seems to be good to go on the ipods... ;) I restored everything from usb_device_init() apart from the call to dr_controller_setup(). I also had to disable the code in usb_enable() - it looks like the H10 will need that disabling as well.
13:32:24Lloreanpetur: It looks like you also get a VID assigned with that though, but it says at the bottom you can "purchase" a VID for $2000 as well, without logo rights. I assume that by purchase they mean eternal.
13:32:47B4gderwe can also just not buy one and simply use one we like ;-)
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13:32:49LloreanYep
13:32:51amiconnlinuxstb: usb_enable() is called by the usb thread to actually enable the usb connected on targets with hw-usb
13:32:56peturstill, we could rip it from the pp code...
13:33:02amiconnSo it actually needs to do something on sw-usb as well
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13:33:16Lloreanpetur: They're different for different devices. The h10, iPod, and Sansa each have their own (I believe the Sansa has 3)
13:33:20linuxstbamiconn: Yes - austriancoder's code seems to do something elsewhere... The old "reboot-to-diskmode" code is still in that function.
13:33:34amiconnouch
13:33:39LloreanWe *could* set our own VID to something arbitrary, maybe so utilities later can determine if Rockbox is running?
13:33:53amiconnThe usb code must not engage usb by itself, before the usb thread signals it's okay to do so
13:34:19linuxstbLlorean: I think we could implement proprietory "scsi inquiry" commands - the Apple disk mode code appears to do that.
13:34:29peturamiconn: unless you're starting another driver, not UMS...
13:35:04petur(like serial)
13:35:39amiconnThat's a different thing, sure. But I would expect UMS to be the first (and for most users, only) application
13:35:41linuxstbWhat do people think (including austriancoder) about committing this code to SVN? It would seem to make more sense to work on it there, rather than externally, as long as it's #ifdef'ed out by default.
13:35:57B4gderI fully agree to that
13:36:13austriancoderbut its not stable and not fully working
13:36:33linuxstbIf it's #ifdef'ed out, then it doesn't matter IMO.
13:36:33B4gder #ifdef'ed out by default...
13:36:34Zagoranyone here have a sansa c200-series player?
13:36:53LloreanI'm all for committing it.
13:36:56LloreanMany eyes, and such
13:37:00B4gderZagor: low_light seems to be the c200 man, although not around atm
13:37:01aliaskZagor: Yes
13:37:06austriancoderlinuxstb: okay.. HAVE_USBSTACK is there.. so should be no problem
13:37:11*Llorean has been tempted by the c200 a few times
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13:37:28JdGordonwouldnt putting it into a seperate branch make more sense?
13:37:30linuxstbaustriancoder: We just need to make sure we don't break the existing "reboot-to-diskmode" functionality.
13:37:48B4gderJdGordon: I don't think so, it just makes it a lot harder for people to test and make new patches for it etc
13:37:57khalidHello
13:38:11austriancoderlinuxstb: could add a #ifdef around it
13:38:22Lloreanlinuxstb: Sansas never rebooted to diskmode anyway. =/
13:38:34khalidMy iPod's MBR is broken and I don't find the FAQ page or the MBR file. Where can I font it ?
13:38:35LloreanFrom a user perspective, nothing will have changed on Sansa.
13:38:42khalidfond/find
13:38:42linuxstbaustriancoder: Yep - just a #ifndef HAVE_USBSTACK inside usb_enable().
13:39:13linuxstbTry the IpodConversionFromFAT32 wiki page.
13:39:38amiconnlinuxstb: We still need reboot-to-diskmode on several ipods even with the usb stack in place - for firewire
13:40:13austriancoderamiconn: then we need to check if its firewire or usb and do a reboot when fw connect else use the stack
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13:41:12bluebrotherkhalid: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore might also be interesting
13:41:22JdGordonaustriancoder: im not doing anything now, so tell me what you need from the settins and ill do it ...
13:41:33khalidThank you very much
13:41:45amiconnaustriancoder: yes.
13:41:51austriancoderJdGordon: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/soc002.jpg
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13:42:26austriancoderJdGordon: I can give you a char[] with all names
13:42:29amiconnIdeally, someone should figure out firewire as well, and implement SBP2 disk mode...
13:42:38JdGordonaustriancoder: you havnt created the variable in global_settings yet have you?
13:42:45JdGordonor is that the int driver_mode?
13:43:04linuxstbaustriancoder: Why are the drivers a linked-list, rather than an array? Are you planning dynamically loadable usb class drivers? (or am I misunderstanding?)
13:43:28preglowwhy, top posting has been mentioned on the ml again, it seems :>
13:43:39austriancoderJdGordon: device_driver_names in usbstack,h
13:43:47*amiconn wonders how that would wor...
13:43:50amiconn+k
13:44:01LloreanWhat are the possible class drivers we'd get?
13:44:11JdGordonaustriancoder: where do you want the set one saved to, and is there a way to find out how many there are?
13:44:13LloreanOr are some of these potentially various host drivers in the future?
13:44:17JdGordonor do I have to walk the list?
13:44:34austriancoderJdGordon: device_driver_names gets updated by the stack.. simply use it
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13:44:50JdGordonhow do i know how many are there?
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13:45:09austriancoderJdGordon: device_driver_names is eg. "driver1,driver2,driver3"
13:45:32JdGordonoh, I thought that array was \0 seperated...
13:45:36JdGordonok, comma is fine also
13:45:53JdGordonis this the usbstack_mode variable? or something elsE?
13:46:15austriancoderJdGordon: usbstack_mode = DEVICE or HOST
13:46:49peturdo we really need a variable list of drivers?
13:47:26*JdGordon would love to be able to hook one of these up to the sansa.. http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/635/index.html
13:47:28aliaskRe: espeak being GPLv3 is it possible to ask jonsd (assuming he's the only dev) to provide the current revision under GPLv2?
13:47:40austriancoderpetur: i think so.. the user can switch between serial/mastorage/ rockbox_multiplayer_driver/.../soundcard/...
13:47:53austriancoderpetur: If there are more driver I also want to switch
13:48:18Lloreanaliask: It'd be possible, but if he wanted the code under v2 I imagine he would've kept it so.
13:48:49JdGordonI thought gplv3 was compat with v2?
13:48:57LloreanNo, it's very clearly not.
13:49:01austriancoderlinuxstb: can be changed to an array... the idea was to have all drivers on disk and load them on demand from filesystem... but as they are in core atm
13:49:02aliaskLlorean: Perhaps, but there are still files listed as v2 in the patch on the tracker - so perhaps he's just updating to v3 for the sake of it.
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13:49:14Lloreanaliask: Well, it's worth asking.
13:49:24amiconnaustriancoder: How would you implement dynamically loadable drivers without a dynamic loader, and without dynamic memory allocation?
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13:49:54austriancoderamiconn: thats why I did put everything in the core... the list was from the first day of coding
13:50:03aliaskDoes anyone have any problem with me sending a quick email off to him asking if he will?
13:50:13peturmaybe we can use the plugin system for it? :)
13:50:27JdGordonno.... plugins willl be needed for my master plan :p
13:50:40*petur gets scared
13:50:47Lloreanaliask: You might want to mention what our project is, and why we were looking to incorporate TTS.
13:50:52aliaskJdGordon: What's the plan?
13:51:02aliaskLlorean: Yes, I'll cover that all in the mail.
13:51:06JdGordonthe link i pasted
13:51:12JdGordongiant WPS for the car
13:51:17aliaskAh, of course :)
13:51:22Lloreanaliask: It's entirely possible he might be interested in helping integrate TTS support, too. :-P
13:51:22amiconnpetur: Plugins can only be loaded one at a time.
13:51:32amiconn...and then no other plugin can run
13:51:50JdGordonaustriancoder: can I guarentee that there will always be at least 1 driver?
13:52:04peturamiconn: fine, you only want to have one usb driver at a time - you just can't do usb + plugins then
13:52:10austriancoderJdGordon: yes
13:52:15LloreanThe one problem about mailing lists is that unlike forums, you can't bloody lock threads.
13:52:16*Llorean sighs.
13:52:43bluebrotherwell, you can ignore them
13:52:47LloreanIf only one USB driver can ever be in use at once, I'm missing the point of the linked list.
13:53:02austriancoderpetur: keep in mind the host part.. whee more then one host device driver could be used
13:53:18peturLlorean: I think it is mostly for host
13:53:35LloreanUnder what circumstance do you use multiple? If you connect to a hub?
13:53:36peturums/hid/...
13:53:50LloreanI can see swapping out UMS for HID depending on what's inserted.
13:54:11peturI wouldn't try to support multiple devices, I'm sure the controller can't handle that many ep's anyway
13:54:19austriancoderLlorean: yes.. for host.. if a new device gets connect the host asks every driver he can handle the new device. yes connect rockbox to a hub and connect on the hub a usb storage and an other usb device
13:54:26amiconnpetur: battery_bench?
13:54:45peturamiconn: never used it :p
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13:55:03amiconnBut if one driver at a time is enough, we can replicate the same system for usb drivers
13:55:09Lloreanaustriancoder: I think we should probably assume a hub won't, or shouldn't, be used.
13:55:12austriancoderpetur: for msc we only need two eps... serial also two.. so multipile drivers are oky
13:55:24austriancoderLlorean: why?
13:55:33LloreanIt's a DAP.
13:55:36amiconn(same as we'll probably - hopefully - have language specific voice code)
13:55:37austriancoderLlorean: thats the first thing i would try...
13:55:44LloreanSo tell people it's unsupported.
13:56:00LloreanInstead of reserving memory for multiple drivers at the cost of audio thread or anything else.
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13:56:57LloreanSwap them out like we do for codecs or plugins, but leave it at one at a time. In my opinion.
13:57:26preglowwhy, antonius just went ahead and ported espeak, did he
13:57:42Lloreanpreglow: But a GPLv3 version of it, it seems.
13:57:58B4gderwell quite possibly it applies to the v2 version too
13:58:10austriancoderLlorean: i think its to early to discuss this... as host part needs a lot more work then the device part
13:59:01LloreanB4gder: At the very least, someone could diff the version of espeak it was ported from, r55 from their SVN, and manually apply those changes, removing all GPLv3 code?
13:59:07LloreanI mean, it's dubious, I guess.
13:59:23austriancoderLlorean: I will change it to an array... and everybody is happy
13:59:41preglowor, we could go gplv3 :>
13:59:44B4gderyes that could be done, assuming that antonius doesn't feel that his patch is v3
13:59:55peturLlorean: don't we want to be able to attach at least a keyboard and a mouse? ;)
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14:00:35Lloreanpetur: Not until we've got USB networking for Doom. :-P
14:00:59peturwoohoo.. multiplayer :)
14:01:26aliaskOh, we need a hub so we can have keyboard AND multiplayer
14:01:44B4gderyeah, with multiple keyboards!
14:01:55aliaskAnd speakers too, while we're at it.
14:02:34BigBambiWell, for speakers couldn't someone just write a driver for the headphone jack? :)
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14:02:58aliaskBigBambi: If we're overengineering, we have to do it properly!
14:02:59JdGordonaustriancoder: where do you want the setting saved to? the list is ready
14:03:34peturJdGordon: writing fancy macros again, are we? :p
14:03:42JdGordonnope !
14:04:01JdGordonjust got a quick non-talking list going in the hope we get usb sooner :)
14:04:02austriancoderJdGordon: in settings.h
14:04:18JdGordonI mean.. variable name? or make something up?
14:04:26JdGordonand char array length?
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14:08:01Nico_PJdGordon: re your car-WPS plugin, have you looked at the alpine plugin ?
14:08:07aliaskI'm no good at this sort of thing, anyone got any suggestions? http://pastebin.ca/672239
14:08:11JdGordonNico_P: i havnt
14:08:19Nico_PJdGordon: you might want to :)
14:08:27JdGordonok
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14:08:51Nico_PJdGordon: I'm not sure it's exactly what you want, but the concept sounds close enough to me
14:09:39Lloreanaliask: You might want to add "or at least those parts of the source necessary for espeak's engine to run in rockbox" or something similar.
14:10:01Nico_Paustriancoder: so you're not going to use git ?
14:10:14austriancoderNico_P: semms not...
14:10:15Nico_Pif you are, a proper fork of the rockbox project would be better
14:10:32Nico_Pok, so maybe you should request that the projects you created be deleted
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14:11:26linuxstbaliask: Looks OK to me. Although if I was receiving that email, I would ask you why Rockbox can't/won't switch to GPLv3.
14:11:34austriancoderNico_P: I will..
14:13:21DerPapstaliask: you might want to make it more explicit that one goal of rockbox is also to be useable for blind users.
14:13:40JdGordonaustriancoder: default driver name?
14:14:08austriancoderJdGordon: storage
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14:16:05JdGordonaustriancoder: is this usb stuff in the simulator also?
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14:16:41austriancoderJdGordon: no
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14:17:57*JdGordon loves it when code works first go :D
14:19:27*petur not, the bug usually turns out to be much harder...
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14:24:14JdGordonaustriancoder: ok, all done, as but obviously the setting doesnt voice
14:24:26JdGordonand I think the use settings should go under system, not general
14:24:26austriancoderJdGordon: fine
14:25:25austriancoderJdGordon: can be fixed after commit
14:25:31JdGordonyeah
14:27:40JdGordonaustriancoder: pm/dcc?
14:27:56austriancoderpm i read.. but whats dcc?
14:28:11JdGordonyou didnt get a file accept request?
14:28:45austriancoderJdGordon: dont know if kopete has support fot it
14:29:03JdGordonkopete does irc?
14:29:15austriancoderyes
14:29:23peturaustriancoder: use konversation....
14:37:02JdGordonaustriancoder: what you wanted?
14:37:23austriancodernothing
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14:37:40JdGordonno, i mean, is the patch what you wanted?
14:38:36austriancoderahh.. yepp.. looks fine..
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15:03:11B4gder"1 person in 100 understand binary. The other 11 don't."
15:03:28B4gderkind of amusing twist on the old joke
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15:04:23markunB4gder: what was the old joke?
15:04:56B4gder"there are 10 kinds of people, those who don't know binary and those who do"
15:05:08B4gderor something like that
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15:05:21markun:)
15:05:54scorchewhen people see me conting on my fingers, they give me odd looks..
15:05:58scorchecounting
15:06:44JdGordonyou count in binary with your fingured?
15:06:47JdGordons/d/s
15:06:51gtksperti always count on my fingers...
15:07:09scorcheyeah...i do it all the time...great for numbers larger than 10 =)
15:07:16gtkspert:)
15:07:37gtksperti always have to count months... like this month is the 8th...
15:07:38DerPapstHow many people can read hex if only you and dead people can read hex?
15:07:45scorchethen again, they dont like it when i reach 4, 128, or 132...
15:08:08gtkspertDerPapst: 57006
15:08:14DerPapstgtkspert ;)
15:08:34B4gderno, deae
15:08:47daurnwhat sort of power does Motorolas Coldfire MFC5272 processor provide?
15:08:47gtkspert:)
15:09:33JdGordondaurn: you suck at jokes...
15:09:37B4gderdaurn: power in what kind of measurement?
15:09:46gtkspertheheh
15:09:48*scorche wonders if anyone got his..
15:09:55daurncan it decode ogg or mp3
15:10:05JdGordonscorche: :D
15:10:19B4gderdaurn: it is in the same family has the m5, x5, h1xx, h3xx...
15:10:22B4gderso yes
15:10:29gtkspertscorche: heheh nice
15:10:30B4gders/has/as
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15:18:49amiconnThe MCF5272 seems to be less powerful than the MCF5249 or SCF5250 Only 66MHz, 4K IRAM and 1K icache (instead of 120MHz, 96K resp. 128K IRAM and 8K icache)
15:20:47*Nico_P didn't get scorche's joke...
15:21:09DerPapstNico_P: count binary with your fingers to 4
15:21:30Nico_Poh right
15:21:42DerPapst:D
15:21:51scorche128 is just other hand, 132 is both =P
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15:27:41`sam`hannesd, i was just looking up how to count binary on your hands
15:27:48`sam`whoa, stupid tab
15:27:56`sam`hannesd = ha
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16:13:56peturbah... too late to make a wish?
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16:30:42Nico_Paustriancoder: is there a commit from you coming soon ?
16:31:04austriancoderNico_P: I am prepearing.. I think in about 30 minutes
16:32:34Nico_Pcool :)
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16:35:34chrisjs169nice :)
16:37:52chrisjs169question - i'm trying to make a few config settings to hide some of the items in the root menu. i've already got the menu options working, and the values are properly being changed in the config file, but how do i add the if statements for actually hiding the menus?
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17:22:43seaniIn the interests of being better informed about the ID3 database, is there any kind of design document on the philosophy/current structure? I've looked at the development information on the main website, and browsed through the database code in the VMWare image, but I'm struggling to get a foot in the door to understand the "start point"
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17:46:52webguest50hi
17:47:20webguest50i have a question which may sound stupid but i'm gonna ask it anyway..
17:47:47webguest50i have all my music working on my nano 1st gen from itunes but when i add new files they dont work
17:48:17webguest50could somone tell me where i have to put the music?
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17:49:53Nico_Pwebguest50: hi, how do you add the files, still with itunes ?
17:50:07peturnot very patient...
17:50:12chrisjs169nope
17:50:15Nico_Pwow indeed
17:50:28Nico_Pmaybe he'll come back
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17:51:06webguest01hi
17:51:11chrisjs169webguest01, hi
17:51:13webguest01any 1 online?
17:51:15Nico_Pwebguest01: hi
17:51:25webguest01i just asked a question before
17:51:34Nico_Pwebguest01: how do you add the files, still with itunes ?
17:51:34webguest01may sound stupid but...
17:51:39webguest01na
17:51:49webguest01i have some from itunes which work now
17:51:55webguest01but where do i put the new ones
17:51:58Nico_Pwith the database I assume ?
17:52:00webguest01thnx guys for the help
17:52:03webguest01yes
17:52:24Nico_Pyou can add files wherever you want and they should appear in the database
17:52:26webguest01i hace the random F002 or smthin itunes folder butu files in there dont work
17:52:37webguest01well the dont :(
17:52:38chrisjs169anyone have any tips on where i can find information on showing/hiding items in the root menu via a config setting? (i'm rather sure it's via an if statement, but I don't know what the exact code would be)
17:52:45Nico_Pbut you can also access them with file browser
17:52:48bluebrotherare they from the itunes music store?
17:52:56webguest01they dont apper when i open the folder
17:53:04webguest01and they are mp3
17:53:16webguest01so it is kind of weird
17:53:21bluebrothercheck the file type setting
17:53:28Nico_Pwebguest01: maybe your "show files" settings is incorrect
17:53:30webguest01under system?
17:53:32bluebrotherit should be "supported" or "all"
17:53:39webguest01thnx guys so much
17:53:43webguest01i'll see
17:53:50bluebrotherno. General / Display or similar
17:54:02Nico_Pfile view I think
17:54:21bluebrotheryep, File View
17:54:24Nico_Pgeneral settings > file view > show files
17:54:43webguest01thnx guys
17:54:46webguest01u were right
17:55:12webguest01cia
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17:55:21bluebrotherit was set to "playlists"? ;-)
17:55:45bluebrothertoo late. Why are those people always that impatient?
17:56:11LloreanTime == money?
17:56:18chrisjs169any tips on my last question?
17:56:48Lloreanchrisjs169: I think you'd need to write some custom code, I don't think the menus were designed to have options appear and disappear
17:57:22bluebrotherauto-adjusting menus are confusing. Especially for blind ...
17:57:39chrisjs169Llorean - couldn't it be controlled via an if statement?
17:57:49Lloreanchrisjs169: Yes, I imagine it could.
17:58:10Lloreanbluebrother: I don't imagine the blind use custom builds much, since most of the changes are to the WPS anyway.
17:58:59Lloreanchrisjs169: But it's more or less a case of you writing it yourself, vs someone else writing it for you.
17:59:01bluebrotheryep −− I just wanted to point out that (as we have blind users) auto-adjusting stuff is highly unlikely to end up in the core
17:59:17Lloreanbluebrother: He maintains a custom build over at anythingbutipod, so I imagine it's just for that.
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17:59:22LloreanIt already has a drastically changed main menu
17:59:37bluebrotherah. Never looked for custom builds there
17:59:49chrisjs169Llorean, correct - i'm trying to add some sort of option to allow users to hide some of those extra menus
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18:00:00chrisjs169Llorean, I've got most of it ready, i'm just unsure on how to write the if statement
18:00:08LloreanI never really understood most of them. A "Videos" menu vs a "Videos" folder in the root, etc.
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18:01:31chrisjs169Llorean, I agree - I don't use the Video/Photo/whatever menus either - it's just in the build
18:01:58chrisjs169Llorean, would it be controlled simply via something like "if (global_settings.[setting] == TRUE)"
18:02:02Lloreanchrisjs169: You might want to take a look at how the Radio entry is handled, depending on whether it detects a radio or not.
18:02:11chrisjs169Llorean, ok
18:02:25chrisjs169thanks
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18:09:11rasherShiny icons: rasher.dk/rockbox/tango-icons/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/tango-icons/
18:11:24pixelmaaustriancoder: why do you include the new language strings for every device?
18:11:27Lloreanrasher: The no-phones image links to a with-phones SVG? Is this just a case of "It's easy to fix by turning off a layer" sort of thing?
18:11:43DerPapstrasher: cool think :D
18:12:02austriancoderpixelma: I dont know how to exclude strings... fell free to fix
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18:12:54*petur sees yellow and red....
18:13:07rasherLlorean: I only have the with-phones svgs, but it should be simple to remove them
18:13:13pixelmaaustriancoder: you could have had a look at the english.lang and the features.txt it's not that hard...
18:13:25Lloreanrasher: Okay, just making sure it wasn't a typo in the links or anything. :)
18:13:34austriancoderpetur: next commit fixes red and yellow
18:13:42austriancoderpixelma: okay.. will have a look at it
18:13:58rasherLlorean: Nah, I could've just made only the with-phones image a link, but this was slightly easier
18:14:17peturaustriancoder: see also my last change to english.lang
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18:17:41Nico_Paustriancoder: in SOURCES I think you should combine the two #ifdefs into one
18:18:32Nico_Pwow... long commit mail :p
18:20:00austriancoderpixelma: does this look correct to you? http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/lang_fix.patch
18:20:52bluebrotherhah :) seems like caching is working in rbutil now
18:20:56Nico_Paustriancoder: looks ok to me
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18:21:58pixelmaaustriancoder: think so too
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18:22:33bluebrotherhmm. A direct link to the build table from the site menu would be nice imo
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18:23:12rasherbluebrother: So rbutilqt has officially superceded rbutil now?
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18:23:42rasher(I saw it was the only thing left for M1)
18:23:48bluebrotherwell, I think we have all functionality ported. I'd like to rework the talk file generation screen before calling it "complete"
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18:25:16Nico_Paustriancoder: firmware/export/linkedlist.h has double the content
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18:25:31austriancoderNico_P: uuupps
18:25:39Nico_Poh and it's not the only one
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18:25:52Nico_Pfirmware/export/usb_ch9.h too and maybe others
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18:28:19austriancodershould be fixed now.. dont know how this could happen
18:29:43bluebrotheraustriancoder: are the changes for the initialization on ipods incorporated in your commit?
18:29:55austriancoderbluebrother: nope...
18:30:04austriancoderbluebrother: feel free to change
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18:30:09bluebrothertoo bad ...
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18:30:22bluebrotherwell, I don't know enough about it to do so. Well, yet :)
18:31:24austriancoderlinuxstb: add your ipod changes :)
18:32:12pixelmaaustriancoder: why does your initial commit decrease bin size quite a bit for Ipods?
18:33:00austriancoderpixelma: maybe because I remove some usb init stuff which is not needed for sansas...
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18:35:45pixelmaI'm just wondering what that could mean to Ipod owners at the moment and if that's something to be worried about
18:36:31austriancoderpixelma: we will see.. when linuxstb commits the ipod usb stuff
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18:40:14seaniDoes MikkaPekkarinen wander around here, or am I better off emailing from the Wiki profile (if that's an acceptable practice)?
18:40:41Nico_Paustriancoder: the double content is probably because of some bad patching and patch reversing
18:40:55austriancoderNico_P: ok :)
18:41:08Nico_PI experienced this kind of problem and it gave me serious compiler errors I took some time to figure out :)
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18:41:17Nico_Pvery frustrating
18:41:32*austriancoder will fix/add full and high speed support in device drivers
18:41:59FebsIf anyone is interested, buy.com has the E250 for $50 USD: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205562657&adid=17070&dcaid=17070
18:43:19rasherFebs: gosh, that's cheap
18:44:06austriancodergreen :)
18:44:30desowinyay, usb stack commited, congrats austriancoder! :-)
18:44:37FebsI am SO tempted to buy one, but I bought a Gigabeat last night on ebay and I'm not sure how I can justify to my wife why I need 2 more Rockboxable devices.
18:44:46Nico_Paustriancoder: does the code compile well when you add the #define HAVE_USBSTACK ?
18:45:06Nico_PFebs: I bought a gigabeat S from toffe82 yesterday ;)
18:45:11austriancoderNico_P: yes.. also works.. tested on sansa.. but only SETUP packets.. no IN
18:45:25Nico_Paustriancoder: does it compile on ipods too ?
18:45:28desowinFebs: one goes to her ....
18:45:31*Llorean wants a Gigabeat S.
18:45:32austriancoderdesowin: thanks..
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18:45:39Nico_Paustriancoder: actually you ought to test compile on various targets
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18:46:08austriancoderNico_P: it should be some usb init stuff needs to be added.. - ping linuxstb
18:46:16Febsdesowin: just what I was thinking! "Look dear, I bought you a present so you don't have to carry that big H120 when you go to the gym!" :)
18:46:39LloreanFebs: Sansa's are also more shock resistant, being flash. :)
18:46:49Nico_Paustriancoder: I doesn't really matter to me actually... I don't have any targets that require software USB
18:46:58Nico_Por actually my brother's H10 maybe
18:47:03austriancoder:)
18:47:05desowinmy E280 is on delivery to me :-)
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18:47:10*austriancoder makes a break
18:49:11toffe82Llorean: You really want one ?
18:49:26bluebrotherseani: look for Slasheri in this channel (see IrcNicks ;-)
18:50:09Lloreantoffe82: I've been looking for a 60gb one though.
18:50:37pixelmatoffe82: what I wanted to ask... where do you get broken players from? Only from ebay or are there other places too?
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18:50:52toffe82pixelma: only Ebay
18:50:59Slasheriseani: hi, what would you like to know?
18:51:18toffe82Llorean: there are not so much s60 actually on Ebay
18:51:23LloreanI know
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18:51:33LloreanI tried to buy one on sale locally, but he withdrew his offer.
18:51:35Llorean:(
18:51:51LloreanThere's one on sale locally for $250, but I can find refurbished ones online for $200 right now.
18:51:59LloreanBut I'm patient. :)
18:52:24toffe82Llorean: I always look for cheaper stuff ;)
18:52:25pixelmatoffe82: thanks
18:52:53Genre9mp3here's a little Rockbox tower from Lemnos for anyone interested: http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0205ly5.jpg
18:53:59LloreanI can *almost* beat that tower with just Rockbox (and Rockboxable) targets in my apartment. I can if you count the iFP. :-P
18:54:10LloreanIs that a SE T600 series phone?
18:54:42*bluebrother jealous ... want more targets
18:55:09Genre9mp3Llorean: It's a k750i
18:55:19Lloreanbluebrother: I actually have 3 Gigabeat F40s that don't belong to me in my apartment right now, as I'm supposed to be installing them for family.
18:55:19desowinI'm just curious, do you actually play music on all those?
18:55:20toffe82Somebody want a gigabeat V, there is one on Ebay and no bid for the moment
18:55:52bluebrotheris that a potential target?
18:56:10Lloreandesowin: All of mine, I do except for the Nano
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18:57:25desowinwhen battery runs out you switch the player? ;-)
18:58:51Lloreandesowin: H120 is hooked up via optical to the stereo with mostly lossless content on it. Essentially a CD switcher. Gigabeat is populated with music and used when I'm sitting and want a large selection. Sansa when I want a smaller player, and flash. AJBR for trips where I'm not certain I'll get to charge, so I bring several sets of batteries. Nano gets left out in the rain.
18:59:12bluebrotherwow ... broken h340 on ebay. That guy destroyed it trying to swap the hard disc :(
18:59:26bluebrotherI wonder if it's worth bidding.
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19:00:19bluebrotherDomonoky: dominition didn't work :(
19:01:01toffe82bluebrother: your question for potential target was fir the gigabeat V ? it is the same electronic as the gigabeat S so if it work on the S, it should work on the V
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19:01:34Domonokybluebrother: :-)
19:01:50bluebrotherbut I'm about to finish caching
19:02:09Domonokynice..
19:02:27Domonoky ah petur broke the attempt for world domination.. :-)
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19:02:43bluebrotherthen to restructure the talk window, and afterwards I think we can call it finished. Well, at least the 1st milestone
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19:03:21Domonokyyes.. then the 1st Milestone is reached... an we could put binarys in the wiki.. :-)
19:03:45seaniSlasheri: Just noticed the time - gulp - Mrs seani will kill me, I will have catch up later, thanks for responding
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19:04:25Nico_Ptoffe82: doesn't the V have a better resolution ?
19:04:34LloreanSame resolution, physically larger screen
19:05:01linuxstbaustriancoder: Regarding your commit: 1) Tabs; 2) svn pset svn:keywords (see the instructions for adding new files in the UsingSVN wiki page) ; 3) You definitely broke the existing USB detection on the ipods by removing the usb_init_device code - as I mentioned earlier...
19:05:07linuxstbaustriancoder: But apart from that, nice commit! ;)
19:05:26rasherbluebrother, Domonoky: Perhaps it's also a time to file RFP (request for packaging) in Debian?
19:05:37rasher(and similar for other distros)
19:05:49bluebrotherrasher: maybe ... but I don't know about debian packages.
19:05:53Nico_Poh actually there is a new-gen V out
19:05:58Nico_Pwith a better resolution
19:06:02bluebrotherI'll try to build a fedora package eventually
19:06:18rasherbluebrother: Well, just requesting packaging can be done for everyone - the idea is that some debian dev will pick it up and package it
19:06:27LloreanIs it at "1.0" status yet?
19:06:29bluebrotherah, ok.
19:06:40rasherWell, hopefully at least.
19:07:02Domonokyno... it will reach milestone 1 shortly.. thats not version 1.0... we shoudl do some testing before calling it 1.0.. :-)
19:07:24*Llorean wouldn't mind being able to apt-get install rbutil. :-P
19:07:27bluebrotherhmm, Ipod mini with broken display for 30EUR
19:07:28rasherbluebrother: Maybe we could include the .desktop file from FS #7277 ?
19:07:30rasherAnd icon
19:07:31LloreanOne day
19:07:38bluebrotheryes, would be nice.
19:08:03Nico_Pshouldn't the package be named rockboxutility ?
19:08:09LloreanSince that would, for many players, be nearly as close as possible to being able to apt-get install rockbox.
19:08:13LloreanProbably should be, yes.
19:08:16rasherbluebrother: Perhaps rbutil should be able to detect that it's too far out of date to work?
19:08:22bluebrotherbut I used the yellow icon fwpatcher uses on windows
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19:09:02bluebrotherhmm, ideally we would only add new features and fix bugs but not change existing functionality
19:09:15rasher(saying this because we would eventually end up with an old rbutil in Debian stable)
19:09:32bluebrotheryou mean "heavily outdated rbutil"? ;-)
19:09:39rasherExactly
19:09:46Domonokybluebrother: if there are changes to ipodpatcher or sansapatcher.. we are doomed.. :-)
19:10:06LloreanDoes binary rbutil include the bootloaders for *patcher or are they downloaded too?
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19:10:18DomonokyLlorean: they are downloaded..
19:10:59Domonokyso if there are only changes in the bootloader.. no problem.. changes in the tools.. *bumm* :-)
19:11:10linuxstbaustriancoder: 4) firmware/FILES (for building the source tarballs)
19:11:29LloreanDomonoky: We could set up a Rockbox apt repository if people preferred to use it.
19:12:23*Domonoky would more like an updateding mechanism for rbutil in rbutil.. :-)
19:12:35bluebrother... and yum repo and ebuild overlay ;-)
19:12:35LloreanThat would be ideal, of course
19:12:42rasherDomonoky: That won't work. /usr/bin could be mounted read-only
19:13:02bluebrotherwell, we could use static binaries like on windows.
19:13:04rasherOr rather, rbutil will probably be run by someone who don't have write-access to it
19:13:04kkit'd work if the user had it in /home or a writable /opt
19:13:15Domonokyah.. how do linux apps do such updateding things?
19:13:18rasherkk: But he won't, if it's installed by the package manager
19:13:23bluebrotherand disencourage installing it system-wide
19:13:28rasherDomonoky: They rely on the distro's package manager
19:13:30rasherbluebrother: ew
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19:13:35bluebrotherDomonoky: they don't do. The package manager does.
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19:14:11Domonokyah.. hm.. so we have to find a solution which works on linux /win and mac.. :-)
19:14:21Nico_Pwhat about packaging *patcher separatley and using dependencies
19:14:22Nico_P?
19:14:42bluebrotherNico_P: it's compiled in directly ...
19:14:47rasherIt's not *that* big of a problem, as bluebrother says, it's pretty unlikely that rbutil will suddenly stop working
19:14:52Nico_Pbluebrother: does it have to be ?
19:14:55rasherAny given version, that is
19:14:59bluebrotherso we would need to make the patchers libs.
19:15:03rasherNico_P: But if you
19:15:06DomonokyNico_P: its nicer for error handling..
19:15:11rasherNico_P: But if you're on Debian stable, it doesn't matter
19:15:14LloreanAnd we could put a RButil minimum version file somewhere, and have it check it.
19:15:22pixelmalinuxstb: does that mean if people installed any a current Ipod builds, the only way to get a usb connection is putting it into disk mode manually (in case someone asks)?
19:15:28bluebrotherwell, we could add some section to the info-files that tell which minimum version of rbutil is needed.
19:15:32LloreanIf it's below the min version, it gives the user a "Please update, if an update is not available, source is at (blah)" message
19:15:35linuxstbpixelma: Yes
19:15:40bluebrotherand leave it up to the user to update
19:15:52rasherYeah, and avoid as much as possible to break it
19:15:53Domonokythats a good idea..
19:16:04pixelmalinuxstb: ah, thanks
19:16:05bluebrotherfor linux I think we can assume that users know how to compile or have someone who can do it for them
19:16:11Domonokyso we only have to add another info file.. :-)
19:16:17Lloreanbluebrother: Unless they're on Ubuntu. :-P
19:16:17rasherbluebrother: I think that's a pretty big assumption
19:16:21Nico_Pwhat kind of changes could break rbutil compatibility ?
19:16:24bluebrotherI still would like to have a single info file ...
19:16:30austriancoderlinuxstb: can you commit the usb init stuff needed for ipods?
19:16:39DomonokyNico_P: changes in the tools, ie the patchers..
19:16:44`sam`Llorean, i'm on ubuntu, i can compile :)
19:16:55rasherDomonoky: But the current version should still work just like it does now
19:17:00bluebrotherrasher: right, but I think the windows users are more "important"
19:17:05linuxstbaustriancoder: 5) What about dr_controller_setup() ? That was part of the old initialisation, but is no longer being compiled (but the old, now unused arcotg_udc.[ch] files are still in SVN).
19:17:08Llorean`sam`: I meant to imply there's a higher percentage of Ubuntu users that can't compile to the usual assumption about linux.
19:17:15linuxstbaustriancoder: I'm looking at it now...
19:17:16Llorean`sam`: As I'm an Ubuntu user who can compile too. ;)
19:17:22`sam`Llorean, yeah you're probably right
19:17:23rasherbluebrother: I don't see how this is a linux vs. windows issue at all
19:17:36rasherbluebrother: there are no tradeoffs required for the windows version asfar as I can tell
19:17:44Domonokyrasher, Nico_P: no, as rbutil would download a new bootloader.. but the patcher wouldnt match it..
19:17:46LloreanI think for the most part we won't break how the "tools" work very often, if ever.
19:17:51bluebrotherwell, I think we can assume that linux users have far more experience with their os than windows users
19:18:00LloreanHonestly, when was the last time we broke iPodPatcher after we got it working?
19:18:25Domonokyvery seldom.. :-)
19:18:46LloreanThe recent Ipodpatcher updates have been to include newer bootloaders, rather than functionality changes.
19:18:53LloreanOr to add options like -wfb
19:18:59Domonokyimportant users for rbutil are windows and mac users (mac user have always problems with unzipping..) :-)
19:19:37bluebrotherhehe :)
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19:20:18*Domonoky sees another possibility to break.. fwpatcher replacement.. it downloads the bootloader, but has the md5sums for patched firmwares builtin.. :-)
19:20:43bluebrotherwell, that could go to another info file ;-)
19:20:49Domonokyhehe
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19:21:16Domonokyabout the info files: did someone move my bootloaders-info file to the download server ??
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19:21:59bluebrotherwell, IMO rbutil should get tested and stabilized a bit before packages make sense
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19:23:10Domonokythats true.. lets try to get to milestone 1, publish binarys on the wiki.. and then make a fuss in the forums.. (and hope they test it) :-)
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19:23:19bluebrotheryeps.
19:23:40bluebrotherand then implement plugins (and put all additional functionality to plugins :)
19:24:10Domonoky:-)
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19:26:27linuxstbDomonoky: Shouldn't executables go on the download server?
19:27:07bluebrotherthey should.
19:27:19Domonokylinuxstb: yes exes should be on the download server.. but only some people have access to it..
19:27:40linuxstbDomonoky: Yes, so it may take a few hours for them to appear. Not a big issue IMO...
19:28:17bluebrotherhow should we number rbutil? "version m1"?
19:28:31Lloreanm?
19:28:35bluebrothermilestone
19:28:44Domonoky:-)
19:28:45bluebrotherm1.0, and with fixes it gets m1.1
19:29:03bluebrotheronce we reach release quality we can switch to 1.0 :)
19:29:09LloreanWe could do rc1
19:29:15LloreanSince that's a more familiar terminology?
19:29:32Domonokyhow about names.. animals.. *hehe*
19:29:32bluebrotheryeah ... but ... *g*
19:29:41Nico_Pfamiliar terminology is better
19:29:42LloreanFriendly Firefly?
19:29:48Domonokyor 3.141... :-)
19:29:53Nico_Phehe :)
19:30:03LloreanDomonoky: Just tack on more digits each time?
19:30:08bluebrother2\epsilon
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19:30:12Domonoky:-)
19:30:24bluebrotherlike current LaTeX version
19:30:24Llorean1+1i, and increase the imaginary part?
19:30:33bluebrotherhehe, that's a great idea
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19:30:36linuxstbWhilst it's still under heavy development, you could Just use the SVN revision.
19:30:47Domonokyhehe.. complex version numbers.. thats good :-)
19:30:58bluebrother(0+2i)
19:31:08alienbiker99is there a way to enable the usb stack on the sansa?
19:31:12Llorean"We don't do version numbers, but you can imagine one if you'd like."
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19:31:19Lloreanalienbiker99: It doesn't work yet.
19:31:23alienbiker99oh ok
19:31:24bluebrotheror use flashy names
19:31:24khalidHello
19:31:31Nico_Palienbiker99: uncomment #define HAVE_USBSTACK
19:31:40bluebrother1st version is something starting with A. 2nd starts with B ...
19:31:50khalidThe manual recover doesn't work on my 30 GB iPod
19:32:00alienbiker99oh i have to build it to get it to work
19:32:02khalidHow can I recover my iPod ?
19:32:08Domonokyor like the Graphiccard manufacturers do it .. version 8800XT... (the number doesnt mean anything) :-)
19:32:26bluebrotherthey do ... bigger is better!
19:32:32bluebrotherwell ... sometimes ;-)
19:32:34linuxstbalienbiker99: It doesn't work, even when you enable it...
19:32:41Domonokyyeah.. only sometimes.. :-)
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19:33:04Lloreankhalid: If the manual recovery isn't working, this means you aren't quite doing it right.
19:33:04stripwax_khalid - depends, what does "doesn't work" mean?
19:33:31*Domonoky thinks we shoudl start with version 0 in rbutil.. programmers count from 0... :-)
19:33:38khalidSorry for my english
19:33:58bluebrotherso the letter in front of a is ... space?
19:34:43linuxstbNo, `
19:34:47khalidAnd I followed the intructions as written, and when I turn on my iPod, it displays "Connect to your computer. Use iTunes to restore"
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19:34:54bluebrotheror use hex numbers ... 0x01 :)
19:35:13linuxstbkhalid: Is your ipod in disk mode?
19:35:25khalidYes
19:35:37Domonokybluebrother: binary.. version 11111011 :-)
19:35:37khalidThe black and white "do not disconnect" ?
19:35:49bluebrotherrotfl :)
19:35:57linuxstbkhalid: What "manual recover" are you using? The IpodManualRestore wiki page?
19:36:12khalidyes
19:37:08khalidlinuxstb, is it the bad page
19:37:09khalid?
19:37:34linuxstbDid you use the correct MBR? i.e. the one for either 512 or 2048 byte sectors, depending on your ipod?
19:38:11khalidYes, the 2048 MBR
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19:38:17Domonokybluebrother: maybe we should combine everything for the version number: "friendly firefly, (01101 + i* 101001)" :-)
19:38:19khalidI bought my iPod yesterday
19:38:51LloreanWhy did you need to perform a manual restore?
19:39:48linuxstbkhalid: Without knowing exactly what you typed, it's hard to know what you did wrong. All I can suggest is trying again.
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19:40:13khalidBecause I did a really bad iPodLinux installation
19:41:58linuxstbaustriancoder: Why did you just delete arcotg_udc.c ? My commit to fix usb detection on ipods requires it...
19:42:08bluebrotherDomonoky: ok, to be more serious again: I just commited the cache stuff. Needs testing (and hopefully I didn't broke anything)
19:42:21austriancoderlinuxstb: as drivers/usb/.. is the new place
19:42:29austriancoderlinuxstb: add it there
19:42:36Domonokybluebrother: cool..
19:42:56bluebrothernow rework the talk screen and then make some noise in the forums :)
19:43:02linuxstbaustriancoder: Files shouldn't be deleted from SVN. If you wanted it in drivers/usb/ you should have used "svn mv"
19:43:11austriancoderlinuxstb: tooo late
19:45:27toffe82Nico_P: the v30 is the same resolution as the S30 , the screen is just bigger (you can count the pixel on it), the new serie looks much better
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19:46:18austriancodertime to go... will commit more fixes and new featurs tomorrow
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19:58:33stripwax_khalid - I don't believe this is the right irc channel for ipodlinux support ..
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20:04:03austriancoderlinuxstb: rename was wrong
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20:18:48preglowwell, that was cryptic
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20:20:28austriancoderlinuxstb: ping
20:21:12linuxstbYes?
20:21:17austriancoderlinuxstb: why did you restore arcotg_udc? It not needed anymore
20:21:25austriancoderor?
20:21:41linuxstbWhat did I say 40 minutes ago?
20:22:18austriancoderlinuxstb: i should use mv.. okay.. but arcotg_udc.c is not needed its been replaced by arcotg_dcd.c
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20:22:50linuxstbNo, " austriancoder: Why did you just delete arcotg_udc.c ? My commit to fix usb detection on ipods requires it..."
20:23:08linuxstbAnd then you told me to restore it...
20:23:19austriancoderlinuxstb: i sayed: toooo late
20:23:23austriancodernot restore it
20:23:42pixelmabut if he needs it?
20:23:44linuxstb19.42.21 # <austriancoder> linuxstb: as drivers/usb/.. is the new place
20:23:44linuxstb19.42.29 # <austriancoder> linuxstb: add it there
20:23:48bluebrotherthat sounded pretty much as "too late to mv it", not too late to restore it ...
20:24:02linuxstbAnd it isn't too late to mv it - I did...
20:24:12linuxstb(svn copy from an old revision)
20:24:16austriancoderlinuxstb: with "it" in this context i mean the actual code "DEV_INT |= ...."
20:24:29linuxstbThat was hardly clear...
20:25:07austriancoderlinuxstb: then I am sorry...
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20:26:06linuxstbBut I think it's simpler to just keep the old code as it was until we enable your code.
20:26:45saratogaaustriancoder: how close are you to a working Sansa USB mode?
20:26:57saratogai'm afraid I haven't followed your progress too closely
20:27:02austriancoderlinuxstb: okay.. a good point
20:27:59austriancodersaratoga: SETUP packets work.. need to add detection for IN packets and realated stuff... hope we get it soon... at the moment i am fixing some full/high speed problem in drivers
20:28:41Domonokyaustriancoder: the tx problem is solved ?
20:28:56austriancoderDomonoky: jep
20:29:09Domonokynice..
20:29:56amiconnXavierGr: On your tower, is the left Gigabeat single platter and the right one dual platter?
20:30:25austriancodertime to go.. my girlfriend is waiting.. see ya
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20:39:32bluebrotherDomonoky: do you think this config dialog is ok? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-config.png
20:40:11*rasher whispers: presets
20:40:26Domonokybluebrother: yeah, thats good for the first step...
20:40:34bluebrotherrasher: yeah ... later ;-)
20:40:56bluebrotherI want to first port the existing dialog. Presets for milestone 2
20:40:58Domonoky(the TTS config has to be extended later for support for festival and the tts scripts)
20:41:00rasherAnd please tell me that you're going to look for lame in PATH?
20:41:26bluebrotherwell, this should be done ... I guess it isn't done yet.
20:41:31bluebrotherbut I haven't checked.
20:41:36Domonokyrasher: at the moment, there is no detection, you just have to enter it.. :-)
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20:50:13bluebrotherrasher: just noticed your feed for MajorChanges. Are you parsing the raw page?
20:50:33rasherbluebrother: Yes, so it's somewhat fragile
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20:51:31rasherI'm also not being very clever, so if someone edits an old item, weird things may happen in rss readers
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20:51:58bluebrotherah. But it's really nice to have something like that.
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20:52:29rasherI have added it to ExternalRelatedPages and ohloh's project page
20:52:42bluebrotheryeah, found it there ;-)
20:53:05rasherPerhaps it could even be added to the html header so it's shown in the url bar (in firefox)
20:53:55rasherPerhaps it should be moved to rockbox.org though
20:54:20bluebrotherhaving the feed including the icons might also be nice
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20:56:07rasherBut then people would have to know what they mean, how about simply putting the text associated into the body?
20:56:13rasherNew feature: blah
20:56:32bluebrothersounds reasonable.
20:56:51Nico_Pcouldn't we have something a bit more advanced to post news ?
20:57:13Nico_Pwe could then include a link to the svn rev log and a more detailed description
20:57:30rasherHaving it in the wiki is nice though
20:57:54rasherbluebrother: doing that now
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20:58:08Nico_Pit is, but more detail would probably be appreciated
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20:58:35Nico_Panyway, I have to be off, bye
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21:28:48fm2Hello. I nedd some help with makefile. I want to write a plugin, actually two. There are three src files, two of them have plugin entry points. I've created a subdir in plugins. The makefile can be viewed at http://www.pastebin.ca/672667
21:29:45GodEater_I don't see a question...
21:30:00fm2I get the following err msg: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/svn/build_h120_sim/apps/plugins/shortcuts/shorcuts_common.o', needed by `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/svn/build_h120_sim/apps/plugins/shortcuts_view.rock'. Stop.
21:30:29fm2GodEater: hi! I'm trying to split the shortcuts plugin into two −− viewer and appender
21:30:56GodEater_have you added the files to SOURCES ?
21:31:22Domonokyfm2: a typing error in the SOURCES .. the name is "shorcuts_common" missing t ?
21:32:33fm2Domonoky: ouch! corrected, building...
21:32:45GodEater_you also appear to have two directories for your files there
21:32:59GodEater_maybe that's intentional though
21:34:24fm2GodEater: where? BTW: build went through but I don't see shortcuts_{append,view}.{o,rock} in the output dir :-/
21:35:10fm2I copied the reversi folder and edited it a bit. But here I need two output .rock's
21:35:11GodEater_well your plugin .rock files are ending up in apps plugins
21:35:21GodEater_apps/plugins
21:35:33GodEater_and you're building in apps/shortcuts/plugins ?
21:35:47fm2GodEater: there I don't find them
21:36:01fm2No, I call make from the top dir (where apps etc are)
21:36:50GodEater_`/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/svn/build_h120_sim/apps/plugins/shortcuts_view.rock' <−− from your message above
21:36:54GodEater_that's where they're going
21:37:00fm2Ah, sorry, I now have many compile errors, have to iron them out first
21:37:19fm2What went through was the core RB
21:45:33XavierGramiconn: the black one is Genre9mp3's F20 (one platter) and the silver is my F40 (dual platter). The size difference is quite big.
21:45:52fm2Is there a make target to build only plugins?
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21:47:50XavierGrmake rock?
21:47:56rashernot war
21:48:07XavierGrlol
21:48:10bluebrother*g*
21:48:16bluebrotherand how about love? *fg*
21:49:13bluebrother"make help" doesn't show anything that could match ...
21:50:04amiconnXavierGr: Yes, as I thought. Should be 3..4 mm difference in thickness
21:59:27preglowwhere is this tower?
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22:00:54pixelmasee logs at 18:52
22:01:05fm2I now get err msgs from the linker: http://www.pastebin.ca/672701
22:01:42fm2What did I miss? Some header or linker option?
22:01:44linuxstbHave you defined memset/memcpy?
22:02:13fm2linuxstb: ah, you mean redirect them to rb? Is there a macro?
22:02:43fm2In the .h file I have extern struct plugin_api* rb;
22:02:50fm2MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb);
22:03:18linuxstbMEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb); generates C code - it should be in a .c file, not .h.
22:03:53linuxstbI think that's why you've got the duplicate definitions.
22:05:04fm2linuxstb: oh, I thought it just spits out some #define's Trying
22:05:18linuxstbYou can see what it does in apps/plugin.h (at the end)
22:05:46bluebrotherDomonoky: what is this setSupportedEnc / getSupportedEnd etc. for?
22:06:03fm2linuxstb: hrm... I moved the MEM_... to the .c files but still get same errors
22:06:29linuxstbYou can't include the macro in both .c files - that's the same thing...
22:06:31bluebrotherisn't talkfile.cpp relying on the set information anyway?
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22:07:04Domonokybluebrother: its from the time, where the configuration (whats now in the ini file) was hardcoded in talkfile.cpp
22:07:13fm2linuxstb: should I include it in just one .c? E.g. in _common?
22:07:21linuxstbfm2: Can't you just call rb->memset() and rb->memcpy() directly?
22:07:48linuxstbOr are you using the macro to keep gcc happy?
22:08:01fm2linuxstb: latter
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22:08:42linuxstbThen yes, just including it in one .c file should be enough.
22:08:47bluebrotherah, so it's some old cruft.
22:08:48fm2I think these are calls generated by gcc. In my code, all calls are done via rb->
22:09:24Domonokybluebrother: yes.. could need some clean up.. feel free to do it.. :-)
22:10:41bluebrotherhmm ... not sure if I'm motivated enough ;-)
22:11:07*bluebrother phone
22:11:17Domonokyyou can also just port the config screen.. and i will fix it, when i find time..
22:13:16fm2A bit better but still...
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22:15:41Domonokyfm2 pong..
22:15:45fm2I get: ... uts/shortcuts_view.c:45: multiple definition of `___header'
22:16:12fm2what header? I'm confused
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22:16:59Domonokyfm2 is at line 45 the plugin entry point ? ..or the another MACRO ?
22:17:33fm2Domonoky: 45: bool exists(char* filename) { (i.e. it's a func definition)
22:18:42fm2Here: http://www.pastebin.ca/672717
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22:20:06amiconnfm2: Does shortcuts.h include stdbool.h ?
22:20:13amiconnbool is not an intrinsic type
22:20:41fm2amiconn: no, should it?
22:20:59amiconnYes, or the .c code should
22:21:05fm2yes, but I thought plugins.h does include all that's needed
22:21:12Domonokyamiconn: shouldnt you get this with plugins.h ?
22:21:39amiconnAh, so shortcuts.h *does* include stdbool.h (indirectly)
22:21:47amiconn?
22:22:28fm2I've included plugin.h
22:22:57fm2including stdbool.h didn't help
22:24:13fm2Anyway, I have to leave soon. Should I post a patch? How can I include new files into the patch?
22:24:30fm2...and delete another file?
22:24:47fm2I moved shortcuts.c to a subdir
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22:25:39Domonokyfm2: if you worked with svn you can "add" the files, and then svn diff will include it in the patch..
22:26:10Domonokythe deleting and moving should also be done with svn.. only then it gets into the patch...
22:26:32Domonokyall this is only locally, as long as you dont "commit" (if you could) :-)
22:27:37fm2Domonoky: thanks!
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22:30:21Soapamiconn: I believe toffe82 said that the black gigabeat F series only came in single platter versions.
22:31:09toffe82Soap: What ? :)
22:31:31SoapI thought there were no black F40/F60s. Does my memory fail me?
22:32:21toffe82Soap:you are right, I never see one, did you find one ?
22:32:37Soapnope
22:33:59toffe82check here you have all the color : http://gigabeatwiki.matritic.net/index.php?gigabeatF
22:34:59toffe82or translated , it is better : http://www.worldlingo.com/S1790.5/translation?wl_srclang=ja&wl_trglang=en&wl_url=http://gigabeatwiki.matritic.net/index.php?gigabeatF
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23:42:36EnterUserNameHey
23:42:44EnterUserNameis San disk helping you guys support there firmware?
23:42:46EnterUserNameerk your firmwarE?
23:43:00EnterUserNameI saw an article saying they contacted this community
23:44:16bluebrothernot really
23:44:19EnterUserNameme> Hey
23:44:22EnterUserNameerk
23:44:24EnterUserNamecheck this link
23:44:29bluebrotherthey donated one or two devices.
23:44:34EnterUserNameoh
23:44:45EnterUserNamethere's a report on anythingbutipod that they wanted u to help
23:44:48EnterUserName<shrug>
23:44:53bluebrotherhttp://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html
23:45:12*amiconn hrmphs
23:45:24EnterUserNameI had a problem with my sandisk where if i plug the usb in while it turns off
23:45:38EnterUserNamewhile its turned off... the original firmware boots but windows says can not mount device
23:45:52EnterUserNameit has to be turned on and in the original firmware before i can plug the usb cable in..
23:45:58 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara")
23:48:41EnterUserNameDoes anyone know if thats normal?
23:50:51linuxstbEnterUserName: I don't think so - that's how I've seen people recommend you enter USB mode on the Sansa...
23:51:12EnterUserNameSo u should be able to turn it off and just plug the usb cord
23:51:14EnterUserNameand it'll work?
23:51:24linuxstbamiconn: Why the hrmph?
23:52:21Vortex375EnterUserName: it's supposed to work that way, however I have heard of some other people with your problem
23:52:31EnterUserNameits also not charigng properly
23:52:36*amiconn wanted to combine parts of 2 defective Ondios into one working Ondio
23:52:42EnterUserNamei uninstalled rockbox.. and the usb problem went away
23:52:47EnterUserNamebut looks like the charging problem didnt
23:52:50 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
23:53:12amiconnBut I didn't manage to do that. Can't get the darn LTC3440 to behave, and obviously destroyed the tuner board while swapping the LCDs
23:53:36linuxstbOuch...
23:53:48Vortex375EnterUserName: maybe your pc has some problems with usb; rockbox doesn't affect charging in the Original Firmware in any way
23:53:51EnterUserNameVortex375: it might be a windows/mac os x problem as with linux its fine.
23:54:01EnterUserName(Mounting) problem
23:55:07 Quit x1jmp (Remote closed the connection)
23:55:15linuxstbIt's probably related to the usb detection in the bootloader. Sounds like it upsets Windows/Mac OS X.
23:56:56amiconnThe windows usb stack is rather forgiving
23:57:20 Quit bluebrother ("Lost terminal")
23:58:52lazkamy sansa only works on one of my 6 USB ports... so the sansa usb stack could be a prob too ;)

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