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#rockbox log for 2007-09-01

00:00:09peturyou need crosscompiler and then apply the patches and build
00:00:29Procygwin is not enough?
00:00:51peturnot unless you only want to build the sim
00:01:10peturyou need compilers that produce code that runs on your DAP
00:01:27peturs/compilers/a compiler
00:01:34petur+s
00:01:36Proi've already compiled rockbox for my DAP
00:01:50peturah, now you tell me
00:02:07peturso what's the problem?
00:02:19Probut does the newest source works with the album art patch from 22.8????
00:02:33peturask the creator of that patch
00:02:46Proand what about the scrolling_margins
00:03:31petursame thing
00:03:33Gunrunah
00:03:36GunrunI found out my problem
00:03:46Gunrunselecting all tracks plays by alphabetical order
00:03:55Gunrunselecting the album first gives me track numbers
00:04:02GunrunI suppose that makes sense in a way
00:04:17linuxstbYes, "all tracks" will be all tracks by that artist - so it makes no sense to pay attention to track numbers
00:04:37GunrunI was sort of hoping it would be like all albums in default firmware
00:04:42linuxstbAlthough as pixelma said, the database is highly customisable if you're willing to learn the tagnavi syntax.
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00:04:49Gunrunwhere it was all the tracks from album 1, all the tracks in album 2
00:04:50Gunrunetc
00:04:59godessmisc.c: In function ‘show_splash’:
00:05:01godessmisc.c:941: error: too few arguments to function ‘read_bmp_file’
00:05:02godessmisc.c:947: error: too few arguments to function ‘read_bmp_file’
00:05:04godessmake[1]: *** [/home/diablo/rockbox/build/apps/misc.o] Error 1
00:05:08godessdoes anyone know that error?
00:05:18linuxstbI'm guessing the bmp resize patch?
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00:05:29Gunrunwhat is with the a euro thing?
00:05:49godessare you sure? bmp resize wasnt makeing problems so far
00:05:58godess-e
00:06:10pixelmagodess: I guess you wanted to get rid of the bootlogo offset?
00:06:28godessyes
00:06:41linuxstbgodess: No, I'm not sure, I was guessing...
00:06:45godessbut, the error came before i removed that offset either
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00:07:25linuxstbDo you have the custom boot splash patch applied?
00:07:38godessyes
00:07:45linuxstbAnd the bmp resize patch?
00:07:48godessyes
00:07:52linuxstbThere you go...
00:08:00godessdoesnt it work together?
00:08:31linuxstbThe bmp resize patch changes the way read_bmp_file() works, and the custom boot splash patch adds a new call to read_bmp_file - with the old (i.e. official SVN) syntax.
00:08:49godesshm
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00:11:08godessi dont need need the custom splash anyway
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00:13:52pixelma<Gunrun> what is with the a euro thing? <- if you mean the paste right above, that's a codepage issue between the IRC clients
00:14:38godessi dont see any euro thing
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00:15:14godesshow is the usb progress?
00:15:30godessthere have been much work for usb recently
00:17:55peturnot working yet
00:19:38LloreanWhen it's working, I'm sure it'll be enabled. ;)
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00:19:51godessi assumed that, i meant, have you done it soon? are you next to the finish?
00:20:42LloreanIt'll be done when it's done. Hopefully soon, but it's impossible to really promise anything
00:21:45godessi didnt want to be impatient. im just interested in the work around the usb
00:21:57LloreanWell, all the available code is in svn.
00:22:05iambenthere is still a lot to be done
00:22:45godesswell i dont understand the rockbox code
00:23:31godessi just learned some basic ruby and prolog in my specialized informatics course
00:24:58ddaltongodess: Go and read a book on c.
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00:25:23godess^^
00:25:25ddaltonI have and it took me a day. I will continue reading because I have only learnt the basics.
00:25:40ddaltonwhat
00:25:43godesssure i will, when i will have some time
00:25:55godessbut that is far into the future
00:26:05ddaltonwhat's ^^ FOR?
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00:26:24godessits a very common smiley
00:26:33godessall the people i know use it
00:26:45ddaltonyes well you can do some basic things to rockbox if you just pick up the basics. It should only take you one day.
00:26:46godessits pretty much like :)
00:26:57iambenbospaadje: yeah except more asian
00:27:02godesshmm ok, i will give it a try
00:27:06iambener godess ^
00:27:11ddaltonI am blind and can't see the screen so that makes life harder. Trust me debugging is hard.
00:27:15ddaltonwith out sight
00:27:29iambenddalton: can't microsoft sam read the source for ya?
00:27:40ddaltonno couldn't stand that.
00:27:45ddaltonbut I use jaws for windows
00:27:48godesshow can you chat?
00:27:50ddaltona screenreader.
00:27:53godessoh
00:28:13ddaltonbut I mean testing on the player is hard. To make sure it is displaying stuff correctly.
00:28:28ddaltonwith my screenreader.
00:28:29pixelmaquestion to native english speakers: "Those files can be found at [link]" - does that sound right?
00:28:40ddaltonabout the chatting question
00:29:09ddaltonwell those files can be found at link?
00:29:14ddaltonis that what you mean
00:30:08iambenpixelma: sounds fine, but its a bit hard to tell without any context given
00:30:09Lloreanpixelma: It depends. You may consider "These files..." depending on the context, but it sounds okay
00:30:40pixelmaI put the [link] there to avoid spelling a long name just as a placeholder. I was a bit unsure with the use of "at"
00:30:51godessguys i just made my first custom build
00:30:56ddaltonI would probably say these files can be found link for example these files can be found here.
00:31:07ddaltonhere is the link or the whole line
00:31:11godesswhat a nice feeling
00:31:13ddaltonif that makes any sence
00:31:26ddaltonwhat did you add?
00:31:47godessnot much
00:32:39iambeni tried getting into the doom plugin source last night to fix a control bug, it made my brain hurt
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00:32:56pixelmaLlorean: ah thanks. Actually the whole line is longer, I'm currently fixing the "enabling speech support" paragraph in the manual...
00:33:05LloreanAaah
00:33:19pixelmait still has the old instructions
00:33:22ddaltonHas the voice building sped up on cygwin? or is it the change of my virus protection.
00:33:36rasherddalton: It has been sped up
00:33:41godessalbum art, bmp resize, bubbles, expand_id3_screen, lcd fade, multivolume dircache, mpegplayer - video start time seek with resume, random album, shutdown menu, and ymargin
00:33:43ddaltonok then that is good
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00:34:13rasherAnd will become even faster - amiconn is working on some improvements that should give a nice speedup
00:34:46ddaltono good.
00:34:53ddaltonWhat's linux like.
00:35:07ddaltonI will probably be moving to that very soon. Hopefully
00:35:27iambenlinux is good!
00:35:35rasherIt's not much faster even now. After amiconn's changes it'll probably be slower (because of the TTS engines)
00:35:40rasherFor voice-building that is.
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00:36:37godess /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: /home/diablo/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 3)
00:36:39godess /home/diablo/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format
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00:36:40godess collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
00:36:42godess make[1]: *** [/home/diablo/rockbox/build/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1
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00:36:48godesswhy this error, the sim was working
00:37:00peturgodess: use pastebin please
00:37:10godesswhat?
00:37:28peturdon't paste into the channel, use some pastebin site
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00:37:35godessahh
00:37:39Lloreangodess: The channel guidelines ask that you not make multi-line pastes. Have you read them?
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00:38:14godessi think i missed that part, sorry
00:38:36pixelmarasher: I read the logs and wondered what you meant about the gminis?
00:38:58godesshttp://pastebin.ca/677338
00:39:04rasherpixelma: Just that they were old targets subject to bitrot
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00:40:10pixelmahow can it rot if it is removed?
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00:40:28rasherI don't think all traces of the gmini port is removed
00:40:35linuxstbIt is now.
00:40:37godesscan someone help me?
00:40:51ddaltonI am taking a look hang on
00:41:03linuxstbrasher: It was removed sometime within the last year or so.
00:41:17pixelmaNovember 10th
00:41:24rasherlinuxstb: ah okay, well there you go
00:42:03Lloreangodess: If you're having problems building a patched build, you should identify which patch causes the problem, then contact the author
00:42:15ddaltonnext time can you use raw? it just makes life easier.
00:42:25ddaltonok well can you compile a clean source?
00:42:32godessthe sim has worked
00:42:43godessi dont know whats causing it
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00:43:40ddaltongodess: Try a clean source. There can be problems with patches. if that compiles your environment is setup correctly.
00:44:06ddaltonwhat development environment are you using?
00:44:24godessubuntu 7.04
00:44:39godessi can compile the svn, no problem there
00:45:33godessubuntu on a virtual machine, i might add
00:45:36Lloreangodess: Then try to identify which patch causes the problem
00:46:07ddaltonwell then it is one of your patches. Do you get hunk errors when applying?
00:46:22ddaltonif you don't there could still be problems with patches.
00:46:34godessi think its working now
00:47:04godessi didnt change the dir, i wanted to compile in the same dir in which i build the sim before
00:47:14godessalso i had a song in the archos folder
00:47:14ddaltonrun make clean
00:49:09godessok it compiled now
00:50:55godessgreat
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00:58:44ddaltonwhat does everything think of my update to p7682?
00:58:47ddaltoneveryone
00:58:54ddaltonand it is the last comment
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01:03:32godessactually, that does it do?
01:03:43godessa voice to test the alarm?
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01:11:27pixelmaabout the "enabling speech support" paragraph in the manual: should I refer to the VoiceFiles in the wiki at alll? I mean it's a bit tricky because voice files posted there have a good chance to only work for a limited time and there's currently only one for the Video which is newer...
01:11:54pixelma...but maybe a few people like voices posted there better
01:12:47rasherI doubt the VoiceFiles page will see regular updates since the voicefiles were split per-target
01:13:22pixelmathat's why I ask
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01:14:51rasherI don't think you should include it.
01:14:59pixelmashould it be mentioned that maybe there could be a few different available from there?
01:15:08rasherIf it becomes relevant again, we could always add it to the manual
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01:24:47godessi hope the multifont patch is working again soonly
01:24:53godesssoon
01:25:41rewt_Hi guys. I've got some rockbox color issues (using the latest sandisk e200 build if that matters). Whenever i use inversed lcd mode, colors in doom also get inversed. If i use normal lcd mode and manually set fg white and bg black using the sliders, my 'now playing/resume playing' screen becomes fg white bg white
01:26:00rewt_anyone else encountered this?
01:26:26rasherI don't see why it's so surprising that the Doom colors get inversed. You did after all select inversed LCD mode.
01:26:32rewt_sure
01:26:50rewt_i can understand that
01:27:03rasherCan't help you on the second one
01:27:10iambenthe second problem sounds like normal behavior too
01:27:17rewt_hows that?
01:27:19iambenoh nm can't read!
01:27:23rewt_hehe
01:28:45rewt_i checked .cfg's manually too and they seem to be in order
01:30:58rasherLooks like we might be able to apt-get install rockboxutility some time in the not too distant future
01:31:15rasherhttp://bugs.debian.org/440111
01:31:15godessomg i love using my own build :D
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01:31:49pixelmarewt_: does your WPS use a background picture?
01:32:12rewt_pixelma nope
01:32:32pixelmawhat WPS is it?
01:32:52rewt_it's the default one
01:33:14rewt_or let me double chec
01:33:17rewt_k
01:33:55pixelmathen it should use the foreground/background colours you set
01:33:56rewt_yea default w/ icons
01:34:12pixelmadefault with icons?
01:34:17rewt_yes
01:34:51pixelmathe default WPS is text based only with the statusbar enabled
01:35:47rewt_and statusbar == leftmost bar with 'icons' that i take it is a bmp?
01:36:56pixelmathe statusbar is at the top of the screen and the same as you see in the menus, browsers etc. (if it's not disabled through the settings)
01:37:48rewt_ah ok now im with you :)
01:38:15rewt_lemme check my theme. maybe i've done smth funky with it
01:38:41RudMan_make sure you set a blank backdrop line
01:39:05pixelmaRudMan_: seems to be your hobby ;)
01:39:14RudMan_heh
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01:39:31RudMan_just a newie trying to help :)
01:42:51rewt_ok so this is odd. i reloaded the default theme, set colors manually and now it seems to be fine :)
01:42:57rewt_thx for the help
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01:55:15godesshow can i remove the version-"logo" in the bootscreen?
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02:00:21Soapisn't the version string shown via a lcd_putsxy in rockbox/apps/misc.c
02:00:27Soap?
02:00:40godessdunno
02:00:46Soaplook there
02:02:31godesslcd_putsxy((LCD_WIDTH/2)-((strlen(verson*fon_w)/2)
02:02:39godesswhat to do for disabling it?
02:03:08LloreanRemove it.
02:03:12godessok
02:03:14Soapthat's only half the line, but just comment it out or cut it out
02:03:25LloreanSeriously, if you want to edit the source code, learn some C.
02:03:30Soapthat's just the X position (LCD_WIDTH/2)-((strlen(verson*fon_w)/2)
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02:04:28godessim gonna learn, but i just cant look through all files for the version string
02:04:31godessthats why i ask
02:06:18godessthanks for help
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02:24:30rewt_thx again guys. this is prolly the same issue i had: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12311.0
02:24:39rewt_im off. byes
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02:25:11andrew__3anyone know how far along the pp552x usb driver is?
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02:30:46peturandrewg867: austriancoder is still working on it
02:31:12peturit will be ready when it is ready
02:31:12andrewg867yeah, I knew that much ;)
02:31:20peturno more info
02:31:57andrewg867I was talking with him when we were trying to fix the sound volume shortly after sound was successfully played on it : )
02:31:58peturand now I need my beauty sleep :)
02:32:14andrewg867I still have a copy of the datasheet ;p
02:32:29andrewg867have a good sleep petur
02:32:32peturah, the dac datasheets
02:32:39*petur waves
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02:46:56andrewg867if the forum down for anyone else or is this schedualed downtime?
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02:47:44LloreanDuring scheduled downtime, there should always either be a notice, or no connection at all, rather than an error message
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02:49:47andrewg867Llorean: it can't connect to the database
02:49:56LloreanI know
02:50:02LloreanThis happens when the server gets really busy
02:50:07andrewg867oh I misread :X
02:50:21andrewg867I think I'm tried ;/
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03:33:41RudMan_all right.....downloaded - installed- and is running the dev vmware image
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03:43:14aliaskWould this thing be able to crack the SHA-1 signing on (Zune) firmware? http://nsa.unaligned.org/index.php
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05:06:10ddaltonok I am back. Can someone have a look at FS #7682?
05:06:19ddaltonand if you have an ipod can you please test?
05:08:23ddaltonhmm rockbox.org down?
05:11:57Sivart0ddalton: which ipod?
05:12:42Soapjust the forums ddalton
05:14:17ddaltonany with a wake up rtc
05:14:25ddaltonso the alarm option in the system menu
05:14:29ddaltonwith
05:16:56ddaltonI can ping it but I can't access it using fire fox or IE
05:17:11ddaltonthe address starts with 91 right?
05:17:14ddaltonip
05:18:08Sivart0yep, it's down
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05:19:33ddaltoncould you get on to my patch?
05:20:46RudMan_I've downloaded the source and am checking it out
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05:21:19AlexMaxWhelp, I'm running into the same problem I was before, except this time pressing the button i did last time doesn't work now.
05:21:28RudMan_what I want to do is go right to the wps screen on boot instead of the menu and having to select resume playback
05:21:48AlexMaxI just installed rockbox on a new 30g ipod video yesterday. It's working decently OK, but I'm having a hard time turning on the thing after turning it off
05:21:49ddaltonwell read the manual.
05:22:05ddaltonactually i think it is down so try download.rockbox.org
05:22:26AlexMaxIn fact, I can't turn my ipod back on at all
05:22:26ddaltonbut you select resume playback on start screen in the system menu
05:22:38RudMan_no shit
05:22:53RudMan_how did I miss that?
05:22:56AlexMaxlast time it did that, I plugged in my ipod for a while and it worked again after 5 minutes plugged in, but now it's just plain not working
05:23:10ddaltonby not reading the manual!
05:23:23RudMan_ps. the answer is not "you're a dumbass...." :P
05:23:45ddaltonwell they write a manual for a reason!
05:23:47AlexMaxAnyone got a potential solution for an ipod not turning back on?
05:23:56ddaltonyes charge it
05:24:02AlexMaxIt is charged
05:24:04ddaltonthen put it in to disk mode and restore it
05:24:07AlexMaxAnd it's even plugged in
05:24:24ddaltonso you don't even see the screen light up?
05:24:27AlexMaxCorrect
05:24:31AlexMaxDoesnt light up
05:24:32RudMan_ahhhh - the option is start screen.....didn't realize what that did
05:24:43*ddalton That's why I will never buy another ipod!
05:24:45FebsAlexMax: have you tried resetting it? Press and hold the Menu and Select buttons simultaneously.
05:24:57ddaltonthat's what I was going to say
05:25:14AlexMaxJust tried that
05:25:25AlexMaxbut i kind of doubt it would fix anything if it cant turn on in the first place
05:25:28ddaltonand then try putting it in to disk mode but if it is plug in and you hold menu and select down you should at least see the apple logo
05:26:43AlexMaxI've got it plugged into the USB port, and i've held menu and select for a while now
05:26:44AlexMaxno dice
05:26:55ddaltonRudMan: if you read the manual you would know exactly what the screen is for. The manual is very easy to get around.
05:26:57FebsAlexMax: let it charge for a while, and then try again.
05:27:05AlexMaxwait
05:27:07AlexMaxi think i see something
05:27:07FebsReset will *always* work.
05:27:08AlexMaxAHA
05:27:13AlexMaxHere it goes
05:27:16AlexMaxThe crux is though
05:27:17ddaltonso if you hold select and menu what do you see on the screen.
05:27:25ddaltonhold for about 20 seconds
05:27:26AlexMaxOK, it's working now
05:27:29AlexMaxThe problem is
05:27:55AlexMaxthat the battery indicator shows 100% full
05:27:58FebsAlexMax: please type full lines rather than lines of 3 words.
05:28:02AlexMaxSorry.
05:28:06ddaltonno reset doesn't always work. not in my case
05:28:31FebsAlexMax: it is bug in the Apple firmware. If it happens again, just reset.
05:28:40ddaltondoes the 4th gen have a wake up rtc?
05:28:42ddaltonipod
05:29:10AlexMaxPebs: What is a bug in the apple firmware. Turning it off (holding play at the main scree) sometimes makes it not turn back on again?
05:29:26AlexMaxWhat does that have to do with apple's firmware if I'm using rockbox and rockbox doesn't turn back on?
05:30:48FebsRockbox doesn't turn the player on. The low-level Apple firmware does, and then loads the Rockbox bootloader.
05:33:01AlexMaxHrm. I suppose I can avoid the problem if I don't turn the player off. Another question though, will reset work when it's not plugged in?
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05:34:04FebsYes. And if you don't turn the player off, it will turn off automatically based on whatever your idle timeout setting is. Not to mention that will run your battery down.
05:37:33AlexMaxGood point. Thanks for your help. =)
05:38:43AlexMaxOther than the shutdown problem, rockbox has been really nice. I use it more out of utlitiy, since a substantial portion of my music collection was ripped by me in musepack.
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06:05:35ddaltoncan someone tell me what is wrong with my indentation? http://pastebin.ca/raw/677552
06:05:48ddaltonI know it won't compile because there isn't a variable called t
06:06:09ddaltonbut what is wrong with the indenting to be the same as the rockbox indenting
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06:09:48RudMan_{ should line up under the if
06:09:57RudMan_same with the var dec
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06:11:06TiMiD[FD1ddalton: your indentations is completely messy
06:11:11RudMan_the last project I worked on has a beautifier program that was to be run before any checkin that contained the standard indenting/formatting
06:11:17TiMiD[FD1first indent with only spaces
06:11:48TiMiD[FD1and then followthe indent convention found in other rb files
06:11:50RudMan_you check out, run the beautifier to set your own formatting/indenting and before you check out, run it with the projects
06:11:53ddaltonyeah well the emacs wiki page isn't helpful
06:11:59ddaltonthat someone gave me on #emacs
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06:14:07RudMan_hard tabs are evil
06:14:18TiMiD[FD1or hard spaces ...
06:14:30TiMiD[FD1I'm fine with tabs
06:14:33RudMan_spaces are good, tabs are bad
06:14:36RudMan_3 spaces per tab
06:14:39TiMiD[FD1but mixing tabs and spaces is horrible
06:15:11TiMiD[FD1spaces takes a longer time to delete than a tab
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06:15:58TiMiD[FD1and their length can be set to your preferences, if you like 2 spaces indenting just set the length of a tab to 2 spaces
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06:16:17TiMiD[FD1that's not possible with spaces
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06:16:33TiMiD[FD1I don't know why rb uses spaces
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06:16:42TiMiD[FD1a lot od oss projects uses tabs
06:17:32TiMiD[FD1btw the web site seems dead from here
06:17:55Sivart0yep
06:18:08RudMan_yeah, it's been dead for about an hour or so
06:19:50Sivart0why do all the good sites go down at the same time? v_v
06:20:45ddaltonok does this look any better or is it still just as bad? http://pastebin.ca/raw/677564
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06:23:05*Sivart0 bashes his head against the wall
06:23:40ddaltonwhat text editors are you guys using here for indenting?
06:24:34TiMiD[FD1ddalton: I'm using kwrite
06:24:51TiMiD[FD1but just look at one rockbox source code and do the same
06:24:56TiMiD[FD1it's not difficult
06:25:39ddaltonis it meant to be on linux?
06:26:59TiMiD[FD1I'm running linux yes, but even with notepad on windows you can make your indentation look correct
06:27:20ddaltonhow?
06:27:26ddaltonwith notepad
06:27:35TiMiD[FD1just press the space bar ...
06:29:12TiMiD[FD1can you see what's wrong with the file you show us ?
06:30:36RudMan_ddalton: what editor do you use?
06:31:49ddaltonno I am blind!
06:32:10ddaltonI am trying to get emacs to work but any editor that will work on cygwin
06:32:16ddaltonand maybe linux soon
06:33:57TiMiD[FD1ddalton: so why to ask us ?
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06:38:43homieloweDid rockbox.org change IP again? Or is it just down?
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06:49:43ddaltonwell I am trying to get my code excepted. or have at least a chance to. And I am trying to get the indenting right.
06:50:35RudMan_damn, use any editor but emacs
06:50:37RudMan_yuck
06:55:28ddaltonwhat editor?
06:55:35ddaltonnano?
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06:59:14TiMiD[FD1ddalton: notepad2 if you are runing windows
06:59:20TiMiD[FD1nano doesn't do indenting
06:59:41RudMan_there are a bunch of decent text editors, freeware, on windows
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07:00:13TiMiD[FD1it's the onlyone I've used
07:00:29TiMiD[FD1I almost never use windows so ...
07:00:30ddaltondoes it do the automatic indenting?
07:00:38TiMiD[FD1if I remember yes
07:01:03ddaltonok what would you use on the command line version of linux?
07:01:06ddaltoneditor
07:01:26RudMan_you've only used emacs and can't figure out how to indent correctly?
07:01:34ddaltonyep
07:02:01ddaltonI have asked on the #emacs channel but they can't help.
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07:03:31RudMan_use the space bar
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07:03:45TiMiD[FD1I use tab configured to put spaces
07:03:55TiMiD[FD1notepad2 does it if I remember
07:07:17RudMan_you can also use notepad2 in linux if you install Wine
07:07:39TiMiD[FD1fortunately in linux there are better programs
07:07:42RudMan_granted you're fucked if you want to use it on the cmd line
07:08:03TiMiD[FD1kate is pretty good
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07:09:24RudMan_I use the same editor that I used back in 1993 in OS/2. It was ported to Windows but the last update for it dates to 1998
07:09:52TiMiD[FD1woow
07:10:08TiMiD[FD1why are you stick to it ?
07:11:46RudMan_90% of the functionality was written in scripts
07:12:06RudMan_so if I ever want to change anything or add to it, I write/modify the script
07:12:15TiMiD[FD1hey does someone know a way to get only one line specified by it's number in a text file from command line ?
07:12:36RudMan_however the date/time stuff broke between WinNT and XP
07:12:44RudMan_but I can live with such limitations
07:12:51TiMiD[FD1RudMan_: no other editors works like that now ?
07:13:13RudMan_not that I've ever found
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07:14:11RudMan_TiMiD[FD1,: sed should do that
07:14:23TiMiD[FD1ed ?
07:14:25TiMiD[FD1sed
07:14:48TiMiD[FD1you can specify line numbers to sed ?
07:14:57TiMiD[FD1I thought it was workingonly lineepr line
07:15:01TiMiD[FD1I'llread the man
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07:15:14ddaltonis this any better? http://pastebin.ca/raw/677603
07:15:47RudMan_dude!
07:15:53TiMiD[FD1no :)
07:15:58RudMan_I don't think it can get any worse!
07:16:09TiMiD[FD1still spaces and tabs mixed
07:16:14ddaltonhmmm I don't know
07:16:26TiMiD[FD1can you see them ?
07:16:43ddaltonwhat source file can I put on the net so the guys on #emacs can help me?
07:16:50ddaltonthat they will see what I am talking about
07:17:23TiMiD[FD1ddalton: any c file on rb ....
07:17:25RudMan_use.something.else
07:17:36TiMiD[FD1yep
07:17:43TiMiD[FD1emacs is not good
07:18:02TiMiD[FD1interface is awkward and time consuming for most tasks
07:18:16TiMiD[FD1although the emacs guys claims the contrary
07:23:20TiMiD[FD1RudMan_: ok, sed did the trick
07:24:09RudMan_excellent
07:29:37TiMiD[FD1sed '24q;d' gets only the 24ts line
07:29:55TiMiD[FD1sed seems very complex
07:30:15TiMiD[FD1I don't think I use more that 10% of it's capabilities
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08:01:19shng9whey, the website down?
08:01:25Doomed_yeah
08:01:59shng9wlol. decided to void my warrenty and install rockbox on my x5
08:05:44shng9wany idea on when it will be back?
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08:06:35TiMiD[FD1ddalton: is that that uch difficult to put spaces in a file ?
08:06:37RudMan_no one has posted with any info why it's down
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09:15:18k-manhello
09:15:26k-manis it just me or is the rockbox site down?
09:16:09pixelmajust wanted to ask the same...
09:17:36peturyup, same here
09:18:40pixelmaI also cannot connect to the forums
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09:19:49k-mandamn
09:19:54k-mani was all set to intall rockbox
09:19:58k-mannow I'll have to wait
09:20:00k-manoh well
09:22:24peturno worries
09:22:33peturone of the download servers should be up
09:22:56peturhttp://download.rockbox.org/
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09:23:11pixelmayou might be able to get to download.rockbox.org where you can find the manuals and some other parts for your installation but not the rockbox build...
09:23:12peturand the wiki stuff can be found in google cache
09:23:30ddaltonwho actually runs the rockbox server?
09:23:33ddaltonrockbox.org
09:23:34*petur wins from pixelma :)
09:24:04pixelmabut that doesn't help completely...
09:24:43peturyes it does: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/
09:24:57petur2-0 :p
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09:25:36ddaltonand: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/
09:25:40ddaltonif that is any help
09:25:52pixelmahttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/
09:26:15ddaltonso the tracker is down?
09:26:43ddaltonwell http://download.rockbox.org/ will give links to all the files that are needed.
09:29:05peturthe tracker and wiki are on the webserver
09:29:44*pixelma isn't fully awake yet, sips coffee from a blue mug ;)
09:29:47peturbut most stuff can be found in google cache
09:31:05*petur walks away for some household duties and maybe some tea in a blue mug :) (wearing a rockbox t-shirt)
09:32:38k-manbit there's no instrauctions is there?
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09:35:24pixelmak-man: it is in the manual
09:35:32k-manok, thanks
09:36:18pixelmaout of curiosity - what player do you have?
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09:40:49k-manso for the ipod 80g video, do i need rockbox-ipodvideo64mb?
09:41:03k-manpixelma, an ipod video 80gig
09:42:04pixelmayes (about the 64MB build for a 80GB Ipod Video)
09:43:23k-manthanks
09:44:12desowinwow, battery bench on my sansa - 15:53:52 :D
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09:45:55JerryLangehello everyone
09:47:35desowinjust going to say hi, or have question?
09:47:45k-manso i just unzip the rockbox files into the ipod, then run the patcher? i downloaded an mbr video 80gb, do i need that?
09:48:01k-mani ran the patcher and it said all was good
09:48:15k-manalso, the doco says i should install the fonts or something? where do i get those from?
09:49:12pixelmak-man: you would only need the mbr if your Ipod isn't FAT-32 formatted, if I'm not mistaken ipodpatcher would have told you
09:49:23*amiconn would like to commit something :|
09:49:23k-manok
09:49:24k-manthanks
09:49:27amiconnBagder_: ping
09:49:48pixelmak-man: the fonts zip is on the "daily" page too
09:49:54k-manalso, should i install a skin now? before rebooting into rocbkox?
09:50:53desowinyou can but it's not required
09:50:54pixelmanah, you don't need it for installing the first time. I'd make sure that everything works correctly first and then care about the looks
09:51:00k-manok
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09:51:12k-manso once the fonts are in, i should reboot it?
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09:53:40k-manwell blimey! that was easy! ok, i have booted into rockbox
09:53:44k-mannow what?
09:53:45k-manhehe
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09:56:07JerryLangesorry was away. just wondering why the rockbox site is down
09:57:07pixelmak-man: play some music? If you only have music put on with iTunes you need to enable the database, a howto about this is in the manual too.
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10:00:03JerryLangei noticed even the forums are down
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10:01:37k-manok
10:01:54k-manpixelma, i have loads of music
10:02:02k-manand I'd like to avoind itunes if at all possible
10:02:11k-manitunes makes me feel ill
10:03:19*davina doesnt use itunes at all
10:04:00*JerryLange hates ituens also
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10:04:12davinai use bash script :)
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10:07:47davinamy bash script to sync ipod and pc http://pastebin.com/d6dd25a91
10:08:12pixelmak-man: with rockbox you can just drag'n'drop your music to your drive
10:08:19k-manright
10:08:20pixelma(Ipod)
10:08:24k-manthats more like what I want
10:08:28k-mani just did that
10:08:34k-manand built the database
10:08:38k-manits working nicely
10:08:42k-mancan i make the fonts a bit bigger?
10:10:02pixelmathen you don't need the database - just use the file browser. You can set a different font (as you installed the fonts.zip), should be in the fine manual too ;)
10:10:32pixelmaof course you can use the database if you want to
10:10:36k-manpixelma, but I like asking you, its much more exciting than reading the manual :)
10:11:25pixelmawell... a lot of work was put into the manual so that we don't have to repeat answers on and on again
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10:12:05DefineByteis rockbox.org down?
10:12:17k-manpixelma, ok
10:12:18k-mansorry
10:12:47davinait would seem so: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at rockbox.org.
10:12:49*amiconn summons Bagder, LinusN or Zagor
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10:13:43DefineBytegetting a message saying the database can't connect on forums.rockbox.org too
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10:16:53peturamiconn: SVN works, you only want the build table to check if all is green?
10:17:03amiconnhmm
10:17:30amiconnI don't absolutely need that. My commit is related to voice file generation
10:17:38peturah
10:17:55peturbut those are only done daily, right?
10:18:01amiconnyes
10:18:16amiconnI didn't notice svn was working...
10:21:00k-manooh, i think i crashed rockbox
10:21:17k-mani went into recording and then tried to get back to palying music and it locked up
10:22:08k-manso I have many albums on my hdd, what is a good way to manage which ones I want on the ipod and not? just drag and drop them?
10:22:22k-manwhat about some way of selecting files and folders to put on there
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10:26:57rasherk-man: I believe it's a known bug that playback won't work after having been in recording mode
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10:39:10amiconnrasher: I've committed my sapi5 voice optimisations now, after cleaning up a bit
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10:40:08amiconn(synchronisation is now a separate function and I use a hash reference for $tts_object, containing the engine name as well
10:40:35amiconnI also set the SVN properties for the vb script
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10:48:52The-CompilerIs rockbox.org down?
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10:49:10BKYes
10:49:59The-CompilerDo you know why?
10:51:46BKNo, but my bet are Aliens.
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10:52:54k-manhow do you install skins?
10:54:00The-Compilerk-man: Do you see an .rockbox-folder in the archive?
10:54:20k-manwhich archive?
10:55:56The-Compilerk-man: The zip-archive, in which is the theme
10:56:05k-manoh
10:56:05k-mani see
10:56:55k-manyes
10:56:58k-man.rockbox
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10:59:36petursite is up again...
10:59:58peturforums not
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11:00:29ddaltoncan someone please test p7682? with voice?
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11:00:48ddaltonon a target with wake up rtc?
11:00:57amiconnMy commit doesn't appear on the frontpage... ?!
11:01:19ddaltonwhat was your commit?
11:01:37ddaltonno interest in it?
11:01:45webguest03what about usb host for x5?
11:01:46JdGordonrecent ML posts?
11:01:54JdGordoninterseting addition to the frontpage
11:02:00amiconnddalton: sapi5 voice generation optimisation
11:02:23webguest03what about usb host for x5?
11:02:52ddaltonok
11:03:00ddaltondoes it speed it up much?
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11:03:10k-manis there a way to display album art in rockbox with the standard theme?
11:03:45ddaltonhow much?
11:03:52amiconnBy factors....
11:04:16amiconnThe actual voice build now needs around 2 minutes on my laptop, while it needed 5 minutes before
11:04:43ddaltonsounds good
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11:06:09BetelguezI installed Rockbox yesterday and now when I woke up my Ipod is all black and refuses to start. Nothing happens if I connect it to the USB either. Its a 5.5 gen Ipod
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11:06:44amiconnNow if someone could make the build system stop building the bitmaps in 'make voice' ...
11:07:27ddaltonanyone interested in committing FS #7682?
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11:11:43The-Compilerk-man: Then simply unpack it to your player, owerwrite existing files
11:11:53k-manThe-Compiler, ok, thanks
11:12:35The-Compilerk-man: >is there a way to display album art in rockbox with the standard theme?< There isn't one at the moment
11:12:37k-manis there any tools around that can grab album art?
11:13:34The-Compilerk-man: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Useful_tools
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11:14:18BetelguezMy 5.5gen Ipod is all black. wont start. anyone had/has similar problems?
11:14:31ddaltonOk I am trying to figure out keymaps.
11:14:34ddaltonwhat does btn |= BUTTON_RC_MENU;
11:14:38ddaltondo?
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11:16:43The-CompilerBetelguez: Maybe the battery is empty? You should connect the iPod for several hours to the pc, i'ts possible that the iPod then turns on
11:16:53ddaltonBetelguez: reset it!
11:17:05ddaltonJdGordon can you help me?
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11:17:48The-CompilerBetelguez: Oh, right, as ddalton said, reset it (press MENU and select for some seconds)
11:18:11ddaltonmaybe 20 and then see what happens
11:18:22amiconnpixelma: ping
11:19:14ddaltonamiconn: Do you know how to do buttons?
11:19:16Betelguezhmm ok, ill try that
11:20:33The-CompilerBetelguez: 5 secons should be enough
11:20:53Betelguezwell I be damned, I dont belive it. It actually worked
11:21:23BetelguezIm used to just having to press the menu button to make it start :x Love you guys
11:22:39The-CompilerBetelguez: You have to use the MENU-button everytime to start it.
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11:23:04k-manoh, i love album art agregator
11:23:07The-CompilerBetelguez: sorry, forget to say that :|
11:23:08k-manits cool
11:23:53Betelguezdont be sorry, it works now
11:25:19BetelguezI recently bought the Ipod from a friend so I'm fairly new to Ipods. I thought it was broken ^^
11:28:46The-CompilerIt's impossible to brick an iPod with installing/using Rockbox
11:29:42The-CompilerBetelguez: You always can reboot the iPod into the diskmode and restore it
11:33:01Betelguezyeah
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11:37:02ddaltonhow do I use talk_number?
11:39:30n1samiconn: all i know about building of bitmaps when building voice is that it's the 'features' target that does it, but I don't know how to stop it
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11:42:01*n1s wonders how that change to the gigabeat keymap could work, WPS_PLAY and WPS_STOP are now the same button...
11:44:30Nico_Pn1s: I don't think so... at least in actual use, plat/pause is A ans stop is POWER
11:45:20n1sah, was looknig at the wrong diff, heh, too early here :-)
11:57:42desowinshould I put my battery bench of sansa in tracker or in wiki?
11:58:17JdGordondesowin: what time did you get?
11:58:34desowin15:53:52
11:58:35JdGordonit should go on the wiki, not the tracker
11:58:40JdGordon30min more than me
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11:58:47pixelmadesowin: since there are other runtime pages in the wiki, I'd put it ther
11:58:58JdGordondesowin: which audio type?
11:59:12desowin.ogg -q8
11:59:14*bluebrother is really curious why it should be better to not hide user configuration ...
11:59:14ddaltonJdGordon: Do you have time to help me?
11:59:32JdGordondesowin: ah ok, I was using VBR mp3
11:59:45JdGordonddalton: ill be in and out... whats the prioblem?
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12:00:01ddaltonum can you help me out with buttons?
12:00:07ddaltonI want to give it another go
12:01:42JdGordon... ok...?
12:02:15ddaltonok well first how do I make the rec button do something.
12:02:19ddaltonlike call a function?
12:02:26ddaltonwhen it is pressed?
12:03:04JdGordonyou need to call get_action() and then do something depenign on the returned action
12:03:24ddaltonso just anywhere in my code?
12:03:58JdGordonin a loop somewhere...
12:04:00Nico_Pbluebrother: I have a few luna screenshots for rbutil in case you're interested for the wiki page
12:04:23ddaltonso a loop in say playback.c?
12:04:28bluebrotherNico_P: sure ... feel free to add them (and replace some old ones)
12:04:34ddaltonwhat sort of loop?
12:04:40Nico_Pbluebrother: also I experienced the delayed menu bar
12:05:20bluebrotherNico_P: I have tried a bit and can reproduce it. Unfortunately I have no idea what's causing this −− the UI is generated using designer and gets only called
12:05:47bluebrothermaybe Domonoky has an idea about it. Fortunately it's only a visual glitch.
12:06:02amiconnhrrrmmm, neither the frontpage nor the build system seem to pick up commits :(
12:06:08amiconnBagder_: ping....
12:06:32JdGordonddalton: no... what are you trying to do?
12:07:36Nico_Pbluebrother: have you searched the Qt docs and/or wiki/forum ?
12:07:53ddaltonwell I want to make a long press of rec go to the info screen.
12:08:00ddaltonactually not go to it but voice it
12:08:05bluebrotherabout the delay: not yet. I tried to fix the reported crashes first ;-)
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12:08:48JdGordonddalton: from where?
12:08:54bluebrotherI'll do later. There is still this crash caused by changing the language that bothers me. And strangely this only occurs on windows.
12:09:07Nico_Polk
12:09:21ddaltonwell every where but maybe the wps to start with
12:09:24Nico_Pbluebrother: do you plan on updating the windows binary ?
12:09:42bluebrotheryes. Not sure when's the best point.
12:10:05bluebrotherbut I can provice you a binary at my webspace in about no time −− I need to compile for testing anyway
12:10:58Nico_PI wouldn't mind
12:11:15JdGordonddalton: well, the long rec press is already being used... so look in the keymap for what its returned aciton is, then search the sources for it
12:11:32ddaltonJdGordon: What is the best way to do that?
12:11:59JdGordonsearch for BUTTON_REC in the keymap file
12:12:49ddaltonso I have found the line { ACTION_STD_REC, BUTTON_REC|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_NONE },
12:12:57ddaltonwhat should I do now
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12:16:30ddaltonin the keymaps dir in apps?
12:16:33bluebrotherNico_P: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil
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12:19:26Nico_Pbluebrother: thanks
12:19:48JdGordonddalton: no, just in apps/
12:20:13JdGordonddalton: bare in mind that its very unlikely that sort of patch will be accepted
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12:31:16ddaltonok so do you know what files?
12:31:24ddaltonI know it won't be excepted
12:32:13JdGordonsearch in apps/ for it... there will be one hit for each of the tree broswer, the wps, the radio and the menu code
12:35:21ddaltonand just copy it when I find it?
12:36:02JdGordonno... you cant just put a button loop anywhere in the code, you have to change the code there to do what you want
12:39:31linuxstbAny ipod users (preferably using Windows) around to test out a hopefully improved USB detection function? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usbv1.diff The "hold menu to charge" feature should be working properly.
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12:53:04amiconnBagder_: pingGgGgGg...
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12:56:33JdGordonamiconn: one more Gg would have done it...
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13:04:36pixelmagah
13:04:51*pixelma just wanted to chip in something useful ;)
13:05:07peturmaybe shout MOOOO loud enough and he will hear :)
13:06:58amiconnNah, really
13:07:14*amiconn is somewhat annoyed by these server malfunctions
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13:07:22JdGordonthe forums are down also
13:07:34peturwhich is odd
13:07:41peturas they are hosted elsewhere
13:07:46amiconnThey typically happen during the weekend, when none of the 3 swedes which could fix it are around
13:07:59amiconn...and the we is the best time for coding...
13:08:01*linuxstb notes it's the 1st September today...
13:08:17peturcurse their real life :)
13:09:07*JdGordon wonders why stupid make is only doing 1 compile at a time :(
13:09:29peturon your 4 cores?
13:09:33petur:p
13:09:33JdGordonyeah
13:09:37amiconnNah, if the server would run stable, there wouldn't be a problem
13:09:39parafinthere is argument -j
13:09:47rvvs89JdGordon: because it does one thing and one thing only
13:09:50rvvs89but it does it well
13:09:53JdGordonparafin: i added the -j arg :(
13:09:55rvvs89according to unix anyway
13:09:58*rvvs89 runs away
13:10:25parafinJdGordon, well, there must be some sort of support for this in Makefile
13:10:44JdGordon... in the gcc Makefile? i assume thee would be
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13:10:59parafinno
13:11:04parafinin rockbox Makefile
13:11:10parafinor whatever you compile
13:11:17JdGordon... im complaing about compiling gcc... not rockbox :p
13:11:37parafinah
13:12:54parafinwell, for some reason gcc doesn't support -j stuff
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13:18:01*linuxstb updates his usb patch to http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usbv2.diff and repeats his request for testers with ipods and windows
13:18:27ddaltondoes anyone have an ipod here?
13:18:48*JdGordon looks for sisters nano to test linuxstb's patch
13:20:20linuxstbJdGordon: Thanks. Can you first test what happens when you attach it to a windows PC with SVN Rockbox whilst holding the MENU button? People report that you need to hold MENU for about 10 seconds to stop it rebooting to disk mode, and also that Windows gives an error about unknown USB device.
13:20:36linuxstbI'm hoping my patch fixes that...
13:20:43Gunrunddalton I do?
13:20:50Gunrun-?
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13:21:41JdGordonlinuxstb: will svn from wednesday be good enough?
13:21:47linuxstbSure.
13:22:20Gunrunlinuxstb I get all that, if it helps, yesterdays version
13:22:37linuxstbGunrun: Do you want to test my patch as well?
13:22:47Gunrunuh... do I have to do any compiling?
13:22:57Gunrunbecause I haven't got a clue how to
13:23:00linuxstbI could make a build for you if you want. Which ipod?
13:23:06Gunrun5.5 30gb
13:23:11linuxstbOK, 2 minutes...
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13:23:42JdGordonlinuxstb: with svn and holding menu it charges for a few sec then reboots, checking with the patch
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13:26:35linuxstbGunrun: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox.zip
13:27:31Gunrunif this works can I just drop this into my old rockbox install?
13:27:37Gunrunso I can keep all my old stuff
13:27:47ddaltonover write it.
13:28:01Gunrunrighto
13:28:06JdGordonlinuxstb: well, it says in rb and the stausbar shows the charging icon....
13:28:07linuxstbIf I was you, I would backup your existing .rockbox folder, test my build, then restore your current setup
13:28:16Gunrunlinuxstb that's what I am doing
13:29:12linuxstbJdGordon: That's with MENU held? Does normal USB mode detection still work?
13:29:43Gunrunsomething is wrong here it is transfering slow as anything
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13:29:56Gunrunoh there we go sorted it
13:30:08JdGordonlinuxstb: mm, no, doesnt reboot to diskmode without menu held
13:31:04linuxstbJdGordon: Hmm... Could you try changing the line "countdown = 15" to a larger number (e.g. 20) in firmware/target/arm/usb-fw-pp502x.c (line 213)
13:31:29Gunrundoesn't go to disk mode if I don't hold menu here either
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13:31:56linuxstbDoes Windows give any errors about unknown usb device?
13:31:59Gunrunnope
13:32:08linuxstbBut it does without my patch?
13:32:20Gunrunyes, without the patch I get an uknown device error
13:32:26GunrunThis is under Vista by the way
13:32:30linuxstbOK, let me make another build...
13:32:33Gunrununknown*
13:33:02linuxstbGunrun: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox.ipod - just copy this to the .rockbox folder
13:33:10Gunrunrighto
13:34:17Gunrunplugging in without menu now works as intended, boots to disk mode
13:34:26linuxstb:)
13:34:38JdGordonhere also
13:34:44*JdGordon changed it to 30 btw
13:35:04linuxstbThe build I gave Gunrun had it set to 20.
13:35:08Gunrunoh, and I only have to hold down menu for a tiny amount of time
13:35:15linuxstbGunrun: Yes, that's the intention.
13:35:17Gunrunand now its charging while playing
13:35:24Gunrunso its working as intended
13:35:40Gunrunoh, no error either
13:35:58linuxstbWhat about booting the ipod with usb attached? Did that cause freezes for you in the past? (it did for me, and that also seems to be fixed)
13:36:07Gunrunone second
13:36:43Gunrungoes straight into disk mode, after the rockbox logo
13:36:56GunrunI shall try booting while holding menu
13:37:30Gunrunhmm, holding down menu it still goes into disk mode
13:38:01linuxstbYes, I think that's a problem with the button driver not detecting button presses made before Rockbox is running.
13:38:09Gunrunprobably
13:38:37Gunrunwhat I say about that can't be 100% accurate anyway as I am using IPL
13:38:56linuxstbYou mean the IPL bootloader?
13:39:00Gunrunyes
13:39:22linuxstbOK. I can live with that though - it's the other bugs that I was intending to fix.
13:39:27Gunrunwell, its fixed
13:39:40pixelmalinuxstb: if you want to commit - the build systen and table doesn't pick up commits ATM (in case you didn't notice yet :P )
13:39:42linuxstbOK, now I just need to fix every single other Rockbox target...
13:39:59linuxstbpixelma: Not yet - my current patch breaks every other target...
13:40:06Gunrunis it a bad idea for me to keep this build on my iPod?
13:40:08pixelmaI see
13:40:34linuxstbGunrun: No, it should be fine. It's a clean SVN build apart from my patch, which only changes the usb detection.
13:40:41Gunrunok
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13:41:06linuxstbpixelma: But thanks for the warning - this is the kind of patch I wouldn't want to commit without the build table.
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13:44:41Prohi
13:46:44Proi've just compiled rockbox from 22.8
13:46:55Prowith album art and scrollmargins patches
13:47:52Probut digipak wps doesnt work
13:49:41Proand in DS AA blue
13:49:41Proi dont see any album art
13:49:41Prowhat am i doing wrong??
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13:49:41Proplz help
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13:50:46Procan someone send me a compiled .ro
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13:50:59bluebrotherwell, there are two things:
13:51:08bluebrother1. Album art is a patch and not supported.
13:51:10pixelmais your album art stored in a tag or?
13:51:16bluebrother2. check the wps for errors
13:51:17Prono
13:51:25Proas cover.bmp
13:51:29bluebrother(f.e. by watching the output of the sim)
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13:52:44bluebrotherthe wps might be not updated for the current wps parser
13:53:20pixelmashould be alright as separate bmp, that's almost all I know about album art... I believe the album art syntax also changed a while ago, but can't really help you with it
13:53:22Prodo you know which wps works for the current AA patch
13:54:12parafinPro, which DAP do you use?
13:54:24ProH340
13:55:13parafinforums are down now, but i think there must be custom build for H340
13:55:42Proas far as i know there r some
13:56:02Probut they are very old
13:56:21Proand not updated
13:56:27amiconnBagder_: ping..............
13:56:42Prodo u know where i can get updated wps??
13:57:01bluebrotherPro: well, build the sim and check the output when running with −−debugwps
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14:03:50JdGordonlinuxstb: to go along with that patch.. can we change the button to charging if hold is enabled instead of a button beign pressed?
14:07:02linuxstbI think that could cause people to say "why doesn't my computer detect my ipod?" if they're not aware of that feature. The current method can't be invoked accidentally.
14:07:24bluebrothermake it a setting and disable it as default
14:07:43bluebrotheror display a splash upon detection telling something like "hold enabled, not entering disc mode"
14:07:48JdGordonpeople can adapt to the change, the problem with holding a b out down is that in the time between pressing and plugging the press could have triggered something...
14:07:54JdGordonlike a screen change or somethign
14:07:57linuxstbWhy is that easier though? Surely you have to physically hold the ipod to insert USB?
14:08:34bluebrotherlinuxstb: this doesn't work on the h300 where the rec button also invokes the recording screen
14:08:55pixelmaholding mode for usb power on Ondio also triggers a screen change, doesn't annoy me though
14:09:05amiconnlinuxstb: Shouldn't your patch apply to all pp502x targets?
14:09:11amiconn(re the necessary fixing)
14:09:27bluebrotheron Ipods it invokes the quick screen when in wps. It's a bit annoying but I can live with it.
14:09:33linuxstbamiconn: Yes, it should work, but I haven't got as far as thinking about all the other targets yet...
14:09:39bluebrotherit's much more annoying that you need to hold Menu for x seconds
14:09:54linuxstbbluebrother: That's a bug which I think I've now fixed.
14:10:15bluebrotheryep, I noticed that.
14:10:59ddaltonok can someone tell me the lay out of the quick screen?
14:11:30bluebrotherddalton: you have three entries:
14:11:52bluebrotheron the left is "Shuffle". Right is "Repeat" and bottom is "Show Files".
14:12:13bluebrotherpressing left / right / down (and up on some players) cycles the appropriate entry
14:12:35ddaltonbluebrother: is there no up?
14:13:09bluebrotherddalton: no. Some players (h100 for example) can do up, and that is used to cycle the bottom entry in the opposite direction
14:13:32bluebrotherIpods can't have up because the up key is menu, which leave the quick screen
14:13:58ddaltonok thanks I will see if I can get it talking.
14:14:22ddaltonI think I know what to do. I know p6171 did this but it is out of date and I can't understand it.
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14:15:53linuxstbamiconn: My patch moves the check for the charge button into the usb_detect() function - which now returns either USB_EXTRACTED, USB_INSERTED or USB_POWER rather than a bool. Can you see any problem with that approach for all targets?
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14:20:33ddaltonwhat is the option it is on as soon as you enter the screen?
14:20:34ddaltonquick
14:20:50bluebrothernone.
14:21:09bluebrotheryou don't have a selector, you just change the options by pressing the buttons
14:21:16ddaltonso should the voice just say "Quick screen"?
14:21:56bluebrotherI don't know what's best but possibly. You can tell the type of the option you change when changing it (i.e. "Shuffle: on" if shuffle was changed)
14:22:07linuxstbMaybe it should voice the current values of the three settings?
14:25:12*linuxstb updates patch to http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usbv3.diff
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14:32:04ddaltonhmmm that's going to be harder than I thought. I am just voicing "Shuffle" and that is all. I guess that is wrong.
14:34:15bluebrotherlinuxstb: just tried your patch, my mini doesn't reboot to disk mode at all
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14:34:51linuxstbWhich one? v2 or v3?
14:35:12bluebrotherhmm, now it did ... it seems to be a bit unreliable.
14:35:13bluebrotherv3.
14:35:22linuxstbWhat host OS?
14:35:32bluebrotherlinux. Build is current svn
14:36:07linuxstbHmm.. Could you try increasing the "countdown = 20;" value at the end of firmware/target/arm/usb-fw-pp502x.c to 30 and see if that's more reliable?
14:36:52bluebrothersure ... building
14:38:27Probluebrother: i've just started the sim with −−debugwps
14:38:53ddaltonwho here knows about the quick screen code?
14:39:00bluebrotherlinuxstb: doesn't seem to be better :(
14:39:21Probut i dont know what all the lines mean
14:40:13linuxstbbluebrother: Do you see anything in /var/log/messages when you attach?
14:43:00*linuxstb spots some life in the forums
14:43:12bluebrotherlinuxstb: no. Funny thing is that after a few reboots it's now working almost reliably.
14:43:36linuxstb_almost_ ?
14:43:50linuxstbHow about an even higher value for countdown? e.g. 50?
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14:44:09bluebrotherwell, all my recent tries worked fine. The first ones (with value 30) didn't.
14:44:19MastaHello
14:44:30JdGordondoes anyone know which watermark triggers a cpu boost in playback?
14:44:38bluebrotherPro: well, does it tell anything about an error?
14:45:18BigMacbluebrother: export ?PATH='path' right
14:45:25BigMacin my bash profile
14:45:31BigMac*.bashrc
14:45:35linuxstbBigMac: $PATH, not ?PATH
14:45:46BigMaclinuxstb: Oh, ok
14:45:53bluebrotherand for exporting leave out the $
14:46:01linuxstbBigMac: Sorry, forget that...
14:46:16Mastai have a question: i have a 30 gb 5th gen vid ipod that i'm running rockbox on. i have been experiencing really slow transfer rates to it, like 3-5 mb/second instead of 13-15mb/sec that i believe it used to have and that i can see my friend has on his ipod photo
14:46:24bluebrotheryou do PATH=foo in a script but when accessing the value you need to use echo $PATH
14:46:27linuxstbBigMac: Something like export PATH=$PATH:/new/path/ - to add a new directory to the existing path
14:46:38Mastaanyone know what might be my problem?
14:46:39ddaltonuse the apple fw to transfer files.
14:46:44ddaltonusb bootloader
14:47:09linuxstbMasta: Rockbox reboots into the Apple emergency disk mode. On some ipods, this is much slower than the disk mode in the main Apple firmware.
14:47:12bluebrotherafaik the speed issue with usb only affects the nanos, so this is somewhat strange.
14:47:21ddaltonI better go and learn structs or what ever they are called.
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14:48:03Mastausb bootloader, so i need to carry that around with me on the disc and activate/deactivate rockbox when i want to transefer files?
14:48:10bluebrotherddalton: structs are quite easy ... you just "combine" several variables. You access the indidual members using the . operator (or -> if accessing via a pointer)
14:48:28ddaltonno you boot in to the apple fw and then connect to your computer.
14:48:28linuxstbMasta: No, just boot into the original Apple firmware before attaching to USB.
14:48:32bluebrotherMasta: there is no usb bootloader mode on the Ipods −− those have apple emergency disk mode
14:48:35ddaltononce you are done just reset it
14:48:53ddaltonthat's what I was trying to say.
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14:50:00*bluebrother wishes someone would find the reason for the discmode reboot hang
14:51:46linuxstbI haven't experienced any hanging whilst testing my patch.
14:51:52Mastaok, i got it working
14:51:55Mastathank you very much :)
14:52:14bluebrotherlinuxstb: well, the old hang upon reboot. IIRC it's only mini-related
14:52:23bluebrotherbut I assume this is completely unrelated.
14:52:32linuxstbI used to experience that on my Photo before my patch.
14:52:42bluebrotheroh?
14:52:56linuxstbI don't think it's specific to the mini.
14:52:56bluebrotherok, I now use countdown = 50 and it works as expected.
14:53:23linuxstbIs your Linux box relatively slow?
14:53:34bluebrotherI think usb mode is even more responsive
14:53:52bluebrotherit's a P-M 1.4GHz. I wouldn't consider that relatively slow ...
14:54:19linuxstbNo. I thought you mentioned a 450MHz box in the past though?
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14:54:47bluebrotheryep −− that's my old desktop box. I used it sometimes for building and as file server
14:55:06*petur would :p
14:55:13linuxstbSo you're still experiencing reboot hangs with my patch?
14:55:28bluebrotherlike the other week when ddalton asked about build times on low-end machines. But now the hard disk died ...
14:55:31bluebrotherlinuxstb: yes.
14:55:48linuxstbOK, so there was possibly more than one cause for it...
14:55:55bluebrotherpetur: it's fast enough for almost everything of my work. And it's a really great Thinkpad, a good old IBM one ;-)
14:55:58linuxstb(or I've just been lucky)
14:56:23peturah thinkpad... quite reliable things...
14:56:30linuxstbpetur: Could you test my USB patch on your H10?
14:56:36petursure
14:56:37bluebrotherwell, I sometimes had builds that did not hang. But I haven't found a pattern :(
14:56:58bluebrotherpetur: yep ... really great machine. I won't give it away ;-)
14:57:10*petur gives up trying to get kslimp3 compiled :(
14:57:44peturhow does one tell what version of QT you have?
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14:58:21bluebrotherpetur: you can call qtconfig / qtconfig-qt4 and check help / about qt
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15:00:09peturlinuxstb: is it http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usbv3.diff ?
15:00:20linuxstbYes
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15:10:05peturlinuxstb: want the output?
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15:11:15peturlooking good btw...
15:11:51BigMacAny gigabeat users? Or anyone know why tapping the cented of the crosshair is no longer pausing?
15:11:57linuxstbpetur: I just want to make sure that USB detection is still working fine, including entering charge mode by holding POWER.
15:12:27linuxstbBigMac: Because the function of A and center have been swapped in the WPS.
15:12:45BigMaclinuxstb: Oh, and how do I stop now?
15:12:50peturlinuxstb: if doesn't see usb, it never has iirc (I always powerdown-connect-boot)
15:13:24linuxstbIt doesn't reboot into the OF?
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15:13:44peturlet me build a clean svn and try
15:13:54linuxstbHmm, so I'm not sure what my patch would change on the H10...
15:14:20linuxstbBigMac: You stop the same way as you always have - with the power button.
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15:15:17BigMaclinuxstb: a used to stop as well
15:15:34linuxstbA used to take me to the file browser, without stopping or pausing.
15:16:37peturlinuxstb: clean svn shows a little usb icon in the statusbar when connecting, but nothing more
15:17:09amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, not sure, probably depends on the rest of your implementation
15:17:16linuxstbpetur: OK, thanks.
15:17:33amiconnNot all targets have usb power (archos player, recorder v1 and iriver 1x0 don't)
15:18:04amiconn...and 2 targets don't have charging at all, but have usb power (the Ondios)
15:18:06linuxstbThat should be fine - the usb_detect() function would just return either USB_INSERTED or USB_EXTRACTED on those targets.
15:18:28linuxstbAnd I guess on Ondio, it would be USB_EXTRACTED or USB_POWERED
15:19:56amiconnOn Ondio you need all 3 values
15:20:21amiconnIt should work as long as your patch doesn't touch the logic in powermgmt.c
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15:22:03amiconnOn a target with charging + usb power, both usb and mains power should make rockbox display the charging animation. Mains power should show the little plug icon, USB power should show a little USB plug instead of the normal plug
15:23:33amiconnUnfortunately I can't test right now
15:23:56JdGordonsansa has no problem running @ 24mhz halfing the current pcmbuf watermark point... but the UI is unfortuantly unsuable at that speed
15:25:08linuxstbamiconn: My patch currrently just changes firmware/usb.c slightly, plus the usb_detect() in usb-fw-pp502x.c. I've no intention of touching powermgmt.c
15:25:19JdGordon36% boost ratio instead of the 55+ or whatever it is with svn
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15:26:28amiconnJdGordon: Eh? What are you doing?
15:26:50JdGordontrying to get better runtime on the sansa
15:26:56amiconnhow?
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15:27:43JdGordonit currentl boosts when the pcmbuf is lower than the watermark, which is fine on all targets except the flash ones because it has no problem filling it up before it runs out
15:28:12JdGordonin svn its 44100*4*2, i removed the *4 and just listened to a cd witout any problkems
15:28:46amiconneh?
15:29:14JdGordontop of pcmbuf.c there is a #define which tells it when to boost...
15:29:17amiconnLowering the pcmbuf watermark should neither change boost ratio nor battery runtime
15:29:29amiconnIt just boosts/unboosts less often
15:29:50JdGordonboosting less often should increase batt life, no?
15:30:30amiconnIt boosts and unboosts less often, but the ratio should stay the same
15:30:54JdGordonnope
15:31:02JdGordonsansa does alot of unneeded boosts
15:31:42amiconnIt shouldn't.
15:31:42JdGordonor im ging crazy and the boost ratio isnt as close to 50% as i thought
15:31:56amiconnIf it does, there must be some fundamental bug which does not only affect sansa
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15:33:14JdGordonthats probable also. it boosts because it thinks it cant fill the pcmbuf fast enough from the codec buffer(?) without boosting
15:35:26amiconnYes, and this estimation should be correct
15:36:28amiconnLowering the low watermark just changes the hysteresis, so it boosts later, but longer (because more data is needed until the buffer is full)
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15:46:38amiconnBagder_: ping.........
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15:51:06JdGordonim pretty sure their mobiles are on haxx.se somewhere if you _really_ want to nag them
15:51:21amiconnI have them...
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15:55:24rasheramiconn: Nice job on the voicebuilding update. Did you add voice selection, or is that yet to come?
15:56:46rasherLooks like you didn't do that yet
15:56:51amiconnThat's yet to come, together with sapi4 support (sloo-oow)
15:57:44rasherAt least you can use the pool to generatemultiple voices
15:57:47amiconnThe perl script won't be extended for that, sapi4/5 will just be a parameter for the vbscript
15:57:53delYsidbtw, I just patched voice.pl to support the cepstral swift engine on Linux.
15:58:09rasherSpeaking of, we should include the tts-config in the pool-filename
15:58:15delYsidis there interest in such a patch? (small and simple)
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15:58:21rasher(or rather, in the string used for md5)
15:58:37rasherdelYsid: Certainly - I guess you patched tools/configure as well?
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15:58:54delYsidrasher: yes.
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16:00:42peturwtf, I can no longer build the manual :( it just goes to 100% cpu and on ctrl-c it says "make[1]: *** [manual-pdf] Interrupt" about a thousand times :(
16:00:52peturany ideas?
16:04:35BigMac_So what is this new "ohiloh" deal that most of the devs have in their signature
16:05:00peturit's a site that monitors open source projects
16:05:13peturgives statistics
16:05:26peturand it's ohloh
16:06:57JdGordonthe geek version of facebook :p
16:07:54BigMac_petur: Oh, it looks like an i in the middle, my fault
16:08:15BigMac_So which dev has the most "kudos" currently
16:08:34Soapdesowin: cool runtime numbers - do you know what the original firmware gets?
16:08:39BigMac_looks like Badger
16:09:54desowinSoap: no, I use OF only for usb, and this is brand new sansa - I have it since tuesday
16:10:38delYsidhmm, how do I submit a patch to this tracker thing?
16:10:43SoapI was just curious where the Sansa was as far as a RB:OF
16:11:07desowinalso OF doesn't support ogg ;-)
16:11:44JdGordonSoap: the sansa advertising is 24+ i think
16:13:48FebsdelYsid: "Add new task."
16:14:02BigMac_Anyone have a recommendation for a decent, relatively low priced pair of headphones
16:14:13BigMac_like ~50 bucks maybe
16:14:19FebsBigMac_: please take the off-topic discussion to #rockbox-community.
16:14:25*petur notes ohloh is getting killed by its own success - clearly their systems are overloading, projects barely get refreshed anymore (rockbox was scheduled by hand on request)
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16:15:17delYsidFebs: where the heck do I find this?
16:16:01desowinpetur: they didn't think there are so many geeks ;-)
16:16:14petur:)
16:16:35delYsidgah, I so hate webinterfaces, it takes 5 times longer to submit the patch than to write it.
16:16:47FebsdelYsid: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/
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16:17:56delYsidFebs: I am sorry, I only see the big search mask, but no way to submit a new patch.
16:18:00delYsidI am using lynx and I am blind.
16:18:41delYsiddo I perhaps have to create an account first?
16:18:41FebsdelYsid: did you create an account?
16:18:52FebsYes, create an account and log in.
16:18:53delYsidah :-)
16:19:13delYsidcontribution prevention systems :-)
16:20:10peturmore like spam prevention imho
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16:41:01peturso... any ideas on why I can't build the manual anymore? make just goes hanging. running make to build binaries works fine
16:41:42peturdid the apt-get from the wiki and all packages are there
16:41:48petur(still there)
16:43:09peturhmmm I found a build dir with a manual makefile and that runs but gives some errors :/
16:46:19peturcan somebody check if building a manual works after running configure?
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16:49:44delYsidSo, I created FS #7689, can anyone perhaps look at it and maybe check it in. its really simple.
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18:19:57pianohackerI just bought a Sansa e250, and installed rockbox on it. Is there anything I can do to help get usb up and running?
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18:22:50Nico_Ppianohacker: USB is being worked on by austriancoder
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18:23:07Nico_Ppianohacker: his code is in SVN already so you can take a look at that
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18:25:30pianohackerNico_P: Okay, thanks.
18:25:54Nico_Ppianohacker: his real name is Christian Gmeiner
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18:26:52pianohackerWhile rebooting into the original firmware isn't too big a deal, it'd be nice not to have to.
18:27:21linuxstbI think everyone agrees with that...
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18:33:56pianohackerThe code in /trunk/firmware/usbstack/drivers/device appears to be device-neutral; am I looking in the wrong place?
18:35:37n1spetur: building manuals works fine for me (ubuntu)
18:36:24linuxstbpianohacker: What do you mean "device-neutral" ? Those are the high-level USB drivers - serial and ums - which afaik are far from complete at this stage.
18:36:50linuxstbpianohacker: There's also code in firmware/drivers/usb/
18:37:27linuxstbarcotg_dcd.c is the new code - the stuff in arcotg_udc is old and will be removed when the new code is working.
18:39:09pianohackerlinuxstb: Okay, it did look high-level. Once I get home, I'll set up a build environment so I can start hacking on this. Thank you.
18:40:01ptw419i need to update my trunk b/c the build i have hasn't got hte usb stack in it yet..
18:40:51linuxstbIf I was you, I would constantly be syncing with trunk...
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18:43:45GunrunDoes anyone know why the Rockbox GBC emulator has a constant high crackling noise?
18:43:47ptw419yes so i've been told...
18:43:59BKHey, is there any way to speed up the playback on rockbox (on a sansa)?
18:44:05GunrunNot that it matters but still
18:44:16Gunrunspeed it up as in fast forward?
18:44:22BKno
18:44:27bluebrotherspeed up as in faster playback? Check for the pitch function.
18:44:34n1sBK open context menu oin the wps and go to "pitch"
18:44:37bluebrotherit's described in the manual.
18:44:55bluebrotherand it's not time-stretching ...
18:45:00BKyes, but that changes the pitch also, is there a was not to change the pitch while speeding the playback up?
18:45:13n1sno
18:45:15GunrunBK like what the amazing slow downer does?
18:45:20BigBambiNope, feel free to add it :)
18:45:40*bluebrother dislikes the use of "pitch" for time-stretching
18:45:46BKGunrun, yes only in the other direction
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18:55:17*petur discovers the perfect way to get manual building borked :)
18:56:23peturseems I have managed to run configure in the manual directory some time in the past....
18:57:22*petur would really like a toroise like integration of svn in a linux filebrowser
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18:59:21krazykitpetur, you could do it with thunar and some custom actions
18:59:47krazykiti'm sure nautilus and konqueror can do it too
18:59:58peturkrazykit: what I want is the overlay icons that windows explorer has
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19:00:09krazykitoh
19:00:18peturyou can see if *any* file in a subdir tree is modified
19:00:34peturThen I would have seen my mistake at once
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19:03:26krazykiti only know of 3 graphical clients: rapidsvn, kdesvn, esvn. dunno how good any of them are or if they have the features you want
19:03:56peturI have rapidsvn now but is isn't very userfriendly
19:04:33peturI think nothing can beat windows explorer + tortoisesvn at the moment... very userfriendly
19:04:55peturI really miss the explorer and tortoise on linux :(
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19:06:52Nico_Pkdesvn is quite nice but I'm perfectly pleased with the CLI
19:07:53godesswhat is tortoisesvn?
19:08:27petur_the_ best SVN gui client
19:08:34petur(imho)
19:10:19godessi prefer linux on a virtual machine
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19:18:39Soapis there a reason, kugel, you rotate through (at tleast) three nicks?
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19:20:00webguest38He-he. I like how the first entry on the 'MajorChanges' wiki page is "Minor keymap change..." :-)
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19:20:56kugeli only changed from godess to kugel
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19:22:03kugelbecause i changed my forum account to kugel.
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19:22:27kugelanythingbutipod forum
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19:24:27linuxstbYou didn't log in as diablo?
19:24:43kugeldunno
19:25:21kugelmy username is diablo, but my nickname was godess, and now its kugel
19:32:02Nico_Pthat's simple
19:32:26peturNico_P: how's MoB going?
19:33:03Nico_Ppetur: I'll soon be able to get back to wroking on it... as soon as I'm done with the math resits
19:33:43peturresits are a real waste of time, it is much more efficient to get it right the first time ;)
19:33:44Nico_Pwhich will be on the 4th
19:34:02Nico_Ppetur: agreeed, I'll try that startegy next time
19:34:16peturdo that, you'll love it
19:34:38Nico_P:)
19:35:02Nico_Ppetur: so dod you pass austriancoder ?
19:35:06*petur discovers that linux dependency hell is not much different than windows dll hell :/
19:35:07Nico_Ps/dod/did
19:35:42Gunrunpetur driver issues?
19:35:45peturyes I did pass him in the end...
19:36:11peturwant to try kdesvn but it won't install because of conflicts
19:36:22Nico_Ppetur: cool :) I think that was the right thing to do
19:36:55Nico_Panyway, gtg
19:36:58peturNico_P: to be very honest, there has been quite some chatter on the mentor mailing list
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19:37:14BigMac_Shouldn't %cl:%cM %ac output the time in 12 hour format?
19:37:21Nico_Ppetur: rockbox's or google's ?
19:37:22peturand based on their standards, neither you or austriancoder would have been passed
19:37:39peturseems the other GSoC orgs were much stricter
19:37:57peturno commit or contact for a week = dropped
19:38:27Nico_PI always was careful to warn Llorean before I left
19:38:58BigMac_Anyone know, because it seems correct according to the wiki
19:39:14BigMac_but it is still outputting 13:39 PM
19:39:16GunrunWhy not just try it?
19:39:20Gunrun: /
19:39:20BigMac_I did
19:39:36BigMac_It should be 1:39 PM
19:39:51linuxstbIsn't there a setting to choose between 12h/24h time display?
19:39:57BigMac_Yes
19:40:01BigMac_I have it set to 12h
19:40:11BigMac_but slant sets it to 24h time
19:40:19BigMac_so I switched it to 12h
19:40:28BigMac_but that doesn't seem to be working
19:40:36Nico_PBigMac_: the setting doesn't affect the WPS. the WPS creator decides this
19:40:58Nico_PBigMac_: you need to change the WPS if you prefer 12h
19:41:06BigMac_Nico_P: As I said
19:41:09BigMac_I have
19:41:12Nico_Poh sorry
19:41:13BigMac_but it isn't working
19:41:47BigMac_so I am near positive the tagging is right, and I reloaded the wps as well
19:41:48Nico_PBigMac_: tell us the RTC tags you're using
19:42:18BigMac_%cl:%cm %ac
19:42:26linuxstbWhy does the WPS have tags for 12h/24h ? Shouldn't it always obey the user's global setting?
19:42:30BigMac_Should be 1:42 Pm
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19:42:41Nico_Ppetur: I agree the evaluation could have been stricter based on the completeness of the work, but a negative eval would have been pretty discouraging IMHO
19:43:27peturNico_P: don't take it personal, but GSoC really should be seen as a real job with the same responsabilities...
19:44:02peturIf I look at how things went and ask myself, would my boss allow it, the answer is: fired in the first week
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19:44:49peturhave good resits now and come back to continue MoB and all is well ;)
19:44:51Nico_Ppetur: I agree, but I still think we did quite well for a first year
19:44:59Nico_Ppetur: thanks :)
19:45:11BigMac_Nico_P: Is that phrasing wrong?
19:46:29Nico_PBigMac_: the second tag is %cM, right ? but I don't understand why %cl gives you 13
19:46:43Nico_Pbut I need to leave now
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19:47:50BigMac_Yes it is cM
19:47:54BigMac_anyone else know
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19:49:46*petur looks for something to commit to test kdesvn
19:50:06linuxstbpetur: Don't forget the build table is stuck in August...
19:50:23peturrecent svn activity too
19:50:39*linuxstb pings Bagder_ but expects the destination to be unreachable
19:50:41peturthat is sooooo last month :)
19:51:36peturdid somebody try to mail the swedes?
19:51:42peturor call?
19:51:46*linuxstb didn't
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20:00:22bluebrotherpetur: if you want to try out a command line svn you should try colorsvn −− it's much nicer with colors
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20:01:38peturkdesvn seems to do the tree coloring thing I was missing in rapidsvn... I'll try it for some time.... I left cli operations when I went from dos to windows - linux should catch up :)
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20:02:38krazykitcomparing dos to a modern *nix shell is like comparing aol 3.0 to firefox.
20:03:12bluebrotherindeed ... using windows' cmd is always a pain
20:03:19bluebrotherbeing used to bash :)
20:03:21peturwell I used a replacement command.com that was also quite powerfull
20:03:48*petur excuses for the OT chatter
20:08:21Soapuh, developers can talk about Moose droppings if they want to.
20:10:13*petur reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose for some info on that topic
20:10:45peturat least it is related to sweden :)
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20:12:53*linuxstb points any bored people at a patch that could do with some testing before committing - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7691
20:13:26*n1s is bored but has no ipod
20:13:36n1sor other pp thingy
20:13:48peturany significant changes compared to v3?
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20:14:09peturbtw, the diff is 0 bytes :)
20:14:59mike__Did any of the GSOC teams make any progress or complete anything
20:15:31peturwma is usable I think, the other two passed ones need more work
20:15:51n1swma is pretty much finished except for seeking
20:16:00SoapWMA is very useable with problems only (?) in low-bitrate files.
20:16:06Soapand that ^^
20:16:09n1sand of course further optimization :-)
20:16:54mike__Oh nice, how far along is MOB
20:16:56mike__Is it still working
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20:17:31n1siiuc it's not merged into rockbox yet
20:17:40peturNico_P said he will resume work shortly
20:19:54Soaplinuxstb: did you see petur's comment that the .diff for 7691 is 0 bytes?
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20:27:10delYsidAnyone wanna look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7689 ?
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20:32:37linuxstbSoap: Fixed now, thanks.
20:32:43Soapthank you.
20:32:53SoapI'll test it on 5G on windows and ubuntu
20:33:25peturlinuxstb: I guess this makes no difference for H10?
20:33:31linuxstbpetur: The patch should now work for all targets - i.e. it's what I want to commit to SVN. The PP parts should be the same as v3, apart from increasing the timeout to 50 ticks, which is what bluebrother reported as being needed.
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20:38:46webguest20can anyone tell me how to set me Sansa e250 to UMS mode?
20:39:40webguest20hello?
20:40:37bagawkwebguest20: somewhere in the user settings...
20:40:52webguest20It's been like 400 years since I used IRC
20:40:57bagawkwebguest20: I do not have one, so I cannot say exactly where
20:41:06webguest20It's been like 400 years since I used IRC
20:41:21Soapit would be neat if somehow you could retreive patches from flyspray through svn from the command line
20:41:33kugelhow to sync patches?
20:41:48webguest20don't see an option called 'user settings' it's running Rockbox
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20:42:33BigBambiwebguest20: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on Sansa
20:42:39BigBambiYou need to use the OF
20:43:13BigBambiThe settings bagawk was talking about is in the Sansa firmware
20:43:14linuxstbbluebrother: rbutilqt for the Mac - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutilqt.dmg (finally...)
20:43:49kugelisnt UMS mode = MSC mode?
20:43:53Soapyes
20:44:16linuxstbbluebrother: It's a universal binary, but I've no idea if it has linked Qt statically or not. The binary is about 900KB per architecture.
20:44:22webguest20you lost me. Can I not plug it in and drop MP3s onto it anymore?
20:44:38kugelwebguest20: Then go un the OF -> settings -> USB mode -> MSC mode
20:44:52webguest20I can't even revert to old firmware if my PC can't see it on USB
20:45:00kugelomg
20:45:02linuxstbwebguest20: Can you start the original firmware?
20:45:13kugelrestart the player, and hold |<< while its booting
20:45:38kugelor turn it off, and plug your cable into the player, then it will bot into the OF
20:45:46webguest20don't see an option called 'OF'
20:46:02kugelOF is the original stock firmware
20:46:08kugeleverything that is not rockbox
20:46:39webguest20ah
20:46:42webguest20ok
20:46:47BigBambiwebguest20: This is in the manual
20:46:56kugeljust turn your player off, and plug the cable in
20:47:58kugelcan anyone tell me how to sync patches? do i need to apply them to an older svn, update the svn and and then make a diff?
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20:51:03Soaplinuxstb: is my 5th gen perhaps a bad test case? I never had to hold the "menu" button for more than a second in the past to prevent booting into disk mode.
20:57:39stripwaxkugel yep that's one way. or apply them by hand to the current svn (and then make the diff)
20:58:48stripwaxif you apply to old svn, and then update svn, you'll get conflicts anyway .. so either you'll need to fix the conflicts by hand (if patching old svn then updating), or apply the patch by hand (if trying to patch latest svn)..
20:59:07kugelwhen i download f.e. the svn as of 8/1/07
20:59:32kugelthe patch didnt apply to that one either
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21:00:04stripwaxprobably you'd use the svn as-of when the patch was written
21:00:20stripwaxor maybe the patch author had already patched his source with other patches, who knows
21:00:23kugelthat patch is as of 7/31
21:00:31stripwaxtry svn as of 7/31 !
21:00:35linuxstbSoap: I think it was mainly a Windows issue - I didn't get that problem on my ipod Color with Linux either.
21:00:45Soaplinuxstb: no problems on ubuntu or windows so far with your patch
21:00:46kugel8/1 is the last i can find on the rokcbox page
21:00:53linuxstbSoap: But I'm sure GodEater_ reported it with his 5.5g
21:01:07SoapI'm going to leave it long-term plugged into my windows box and see anything changes.
21:01:18linuxstbSoap: So everything is working as it should? i.e. normal USB detection, and overriding it with MENU?
21:01:21stripwaxkugel - oh, you can just "svn update -r version" if you know the svn version number
21:01:26stripwaxto get back to old svn
21:01:40stripwaxum, i think. i might have the wrong svn syntax
21:01:46Soapboth booting into USB mode and NOT booting into USB mode with "Menu" pressed are working.
21:02:11linuxstbSoap: That's good, thanks.
21:02:55SoapWindows is being a bitch and not ejecting, but it was doing that w/o the patch as well.
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21:03:56linuxstbWhat do you mean by "eject"? "safely disconnect"?
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21:04:00stripwaxkugel - see here, it's even in the wiki. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN
21:04:11stripwaxtells you how to checkout an older version of source
21:06:00kugelok
21:06:22linuxstbkugel: Which patch are you trying to apply?
21:06:23kugeli read that, but i missunderstood that point in the first place
21:06:39kugelcustom line
21:07:29linuxstbHave you applied the other patches that patch depends on?
21:07:46kugelyes
21:08:09kugelmultifont
21:08:52linuxstbOnly multifont?
21:09:16linuxstbAccording to an earlier comment, it needs ymargin-scrollinfo_20070728.patch, scroll-margins_20070728.patch and multifont_complete-20070724.patch
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21:12:00kugeli just reat the first few comments and the last one because the author said only multifont is needed
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21:44:25rasheramiconn: strange - progress output is broken on windows? (but building voice is fast now!)
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21:47:35rasherdelYsid: Is your Flyspray username your real name?
21:47:52rasherdelYsid: assuming it wasn't someone else who independently submitted swift support
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21:49:55rasherdelYsid: Just need confirmation of this, and I'll commit it
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21:51:00bluebrotherlinuxstb: 900k sounds too less to me for being statically linkes −− a static linux binary needs about 8MB here (which can be shrinked to 3.5MB using upx)
21:51:42bluebrotherI don't know too much about mac, but can't you list the linked binaries in a similar way ldd does?
21:52:14linuxstbMaybe, but there's no ldd command. I don't know much about macs either...
21:52:38linuxstbBut as I didn't explictly specify static linking, I'm assuming it's not.
21:52:59bluebrotherit should link statically if you build Qt with -static
21:53:00linuxstbBTW, I needed to add two lines to the .pro file which only need to be there for the Mac - do you know how to do that?
21:53:13bluebrotherat least that's the way it works on windows
21:53:27linuxstbbluebrother: I was expecting you to say that... I'll and remember to set that going overnight tonight.
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21:54:23bluebrothersure: use the scope macx
21:54:50bluebrothersimilar to the rbutilqt.pro:103
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21:55:28linuxstbOK, I'll do that and commit the required changes.
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21:55:46bluebrothergreat.
21:55:48linuxstbI've already added some notes on the rbutilqt wiki page about building.
21:56:02linuxstb(mainly so I don't forget myself...)
21:56:34linuxstbAfter rebuilding qt with -static, is there anything I need to do when building rbutilqt?
21:56:45bluebrothernice. Hopefully I'll figure the reason for that crash LinusN reported.
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21:58:16bluebrotherafterwards all non-visual issues are fixed. Unless someone reports new ones ;-)
21:58:28bluebrother(or my memory tricked me to forget about some ;)
21:58:58rasherbluebrother: Debian packaging might expose some fun portability bugs
21:59:18bluebrotherrasher: true ... I started building a Fedora package.
21:59:34rasherOf course, I doubt it's a huge issue (for rbutil) if it doesn't build on say, hppa
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22:00:06bluebrotherwell, I don't think that platform is supported by Qt. So ...
22:00:53rasherhttp://packages.debian.org/stable/libdevel/libqt4-dev
22:01:14rashermips, arm, s390.. fun times may await you
22:01:22bluebrotherwow ... didn't expect that.
22:01:31rasherOr not, if everything's done with Qt's stuff
22:01:40rasherMe neither, to be honest
22:01:52delYsidrasher: yes, I am mlang on flyspray.
22:02:09rasherdelYsid: And that's your real name?
22:02:15rasherWell not mlang, but you know
22:02:26delYsidsure, I am Mario Lang.
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22:03:24rasherdelYsid: Committed.
22:03:42linuxstbIs there a wiki page with samples of all these different voice engines we're accumulating support for?
22:04:10rasherSome might not allow even that.. although you might be able to claim fair use
22:04:56linuxstbYes, I would hope that a short sample for review purposes would come under fair use.
22:05:11rasherProbably does
22:05:34delYsidI can provide a sample for the swift file if anyone cares to listen to it, but I am not sure about licensing for public use.
22:06:16delYsidswift is pretty cheap given the quality IMO.
22:06:20delYsidrasher: thanks.
22:06:58rasherA short sample *should* be fair use - even if you're distributing it (at least I'd like to think it should). But I'm no lawyer..
22:08:04linuxstbAh, seems cepstral have a "audio distribution license" for sale - $399 if you want to distribute the output...
22:08:09linuxstbhttps://www.cepstral.com/cgi-bin/store/home?page=licensing
22:08:31linuxstbSorry, I meant $199.95 (per voice)
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22:08:52bluebrotherlinuxstb: if you build Qt on windows you can "make sub-src" to only build the library and omit examples and stuff. I guess it's similar on mac
22:09:18delYsidlinuxstb: ah, thats interesting, didnt know about that.
22:09:27rasherlinuxstb: if the quality is good - Rockbox could buy such a license.. that's not too expensive. Although it does run rather counter to the idea of Opensource etc.
22:10:23linuxstbrasher: I agree - it's affordable if the quality justifies it. It can also run on Linux, which means it could generate voices automatically on the build server.
22:10:46linuxstbdelYsid: How is the quality?
22:11:01*linuxstb spots a "demos" link on the site...
22:11:03delYsidpretty good if you ask me, its natural sounding.
22:11:17delYsidits based on concatenative speech, and the voice I use is about 150MB.
22:11:42linuxstbBah, the demos link crashes my firefox (as most sites with audio do...).
22:12:03delYsidyou can just download the voices.
22:12:16delYsidif you havent licensed them, it will prefix with a warning and speak anyway.
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22:12:19rasherI wonder if they, or another company would perhaps consider a sponsor deal where they provide voice that we can redistribute in exchagne for a notice or link or such
22:12:20delYsidso you can try it yourself
22:12:38linuxstbAny recommendation for which voice?
22:13:03rasher$string =~ s/^\s+([^\s]*)\s+$/$1/;
22:13:03delYsidCallie if you want english, or Amy.
22:13:05linuxstbrasher: It would certainly be worth asking.
22:13:17rasherShouldn't that remove any trailing and leading whitespace from $string ?
22:13:34linuxstbCallie is "HOT!" according to the download page.....
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22:14:05rasherlinuxstb: it'd probably have to be one of the engines that run on Linux (also for philosophical reasons - at least they're doing *something* good)
22:14:29delYsidlinuxstb: she kinda is, but not as you might think :-)
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22:14:47delYsidits simply the biggest voice, I guess with the best sampling.
22:14:57`sam`if you're not doing actual text-to-speech processing on rockbox, and instead just using the output .wav's or whatever, couldn't you just record your own voice and have somebody do that with every language?
22:15:00linuxstbrasher: I was just thinking of the practical advantage of it running on Linux.
22:15:14linuxstbdelYsid: Yes, thanks for the 125MB download... ;)
22:15:23*bluebrother just listened to the Allison voice sample and is quite impressed
22:15:29rasher`sam`: certainly, yes - it's quite a task though
22:16:49rasher(and the answer to my perl question - no, not if $string contains any whitespace other than the trailing and leading parts)
22:16:52`sam`well if you wanted clear voices and didn't want to pay to distribute them, it might be worth it
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22:17:12linuxstb`sam`: The problem is that it needs updating almost daily with new/changed strings.
22:18:03rasher`sam`: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7650 has a script (for Linux) that will aid in doing this
22:18:14*Llorean just dropped in to say he's not a huge fan of the Cepstral voices.
22:18:20rasherIt technically works in cygwin as well, but there are filesystem issues
22:18:38LloreanI went to their demos, and they seem to pronounce the same word the exact same, independent of context.
22:19:04bluebrotherhmm. Anyone familiar with linux, is this dependency list reasonable for a binary to distribute? http://www.pastebin.ca/678248
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22:19:30`sam`linuxstb, what is there besides menu items that get voiced on rockbox?
22:19:44rasherbluebrother: are you running on Fedora?
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22:19:55`sam`pardon my ignorance, i haven't tried out the voice stuff yet
22:19:59bluebrotherrasher: yes, but it's still a somewhat outdated FC5
22:20:23rasher`sam`: Not much else, but that's still around 700 strings to speak, and they get changed/added rather frequently
22:20:49`sam`rasher, but a majority of them would remain the same wouldn't they?
22:20:51rasherAlthough half an hour per week or so should do it, once you have a full voice
22:21:07linuxstb`sam`: It includes the names of all the settings, plus all the options for each setting...
22:21:27delYsidrasher: but what about i18n :-)
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22:21:40rasherI did it at one point for Danish. It took me about 7-8 hours all in all.
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22:22:19rasherbluebrother: I'm on Debian - try giving me the binary and we'll see how it goes?
22:22:27bluebrothersure ;-)
22:22:35rasherIt doesn't look too awful
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22:23:26bluebrotherrasher: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.bz2
22:23:58`sam`rasher, oh ok, i just looked at that script you were talking about, so i guess human voices are an option if people are contributing them
22:24:31`sam`maybe i'll work on English-male-kentucky-accent :)
22:24:32rasher`sam`: Yeah - it's certainly possible
22:24:48rasherThough I suspect blind users will find a human voice too slow
22:25:04rasherNot all voice users are blind, of course
22:25:29rasherbluebrother: I'm missing libssl.so.6
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22:25:46`sam`well i've been thinking about trying it out for at work, so i can just reach in my pocket and scroll around the menus and not have to take it out and look at it
22:25:52bluebrotherhmm. Ok, as we don't need ssl I could try building Qt without ssl support.
22:25:57`sam`might be quicker than taking it out to read it
22:26:20rasherbluebrother: if we're not using it - might as well
22:26:31linuxstbbluebrother: Same here on my Debian install (missing libssl)
22:27:07bluebrotherok, I'll recompile and provide you a new binary. It'll just take a while ;-)
22:27:25bluebrotherany other libs missing?
22:27:31linuxstbThat's the only one listed.
22:27:59linuxstbAh no, libcrypto.so.6 is also missing
22:28:00rasherbluebrother: libcrypto
22:28:10linuxstbBut everything else is found for me.
22:28:15rasherSame here
22:28:24linuxstbrasher: Are you on Debian ?
22:28:29rasherYep
22:28:59rasherI also have an ubuntu (gutsy) install I can try on
22:29:09linuxstbbluebrother: But that seems much more successful than the static wx builds...
22:29:11rasherBut that's likely to be the same
22:30:16rasher desc: desc: repeat range from point A to B
22:30:22rasherSomeone messed up a langfile..
22:30:41linuxstbsvn blame...
22:31:07bluebrotherlinuxstb: really? Was the static wx build that much of a pain? (never tried myself)
22:31:24linuxstbbluebrother: If never worked IIRC
22:31:35bluebrotheroh.
22:31:41linuxstb(on Linux). It was fine on Mac OS X and win32
22:31:43rasherAnd the blame goes to: n1s (in r14198)
22:31:59bluebrotherhow about "svn praise"? ;-)
22:32:00rasherAnd of course a lot of files follows that
22:32:38bluebrotherhmm. What's the xshape extension for?
22:32:51rasherNon-rectangular windows I believe
22:33:02bluebrotherok. I don't think we need this.
22:33:02rasherNot quite sure though
22:33:45bluebrotherand what's xfixes for?
22:34:58rasher"The extension makes changes to many areas of the protocol, but has the single design consideration: "resolving issues raised by application interaction with core protocol mechanisms that cannot be adequately worked around on the client side of the wire." (version 2 proposal) It is designed such that the client and server can always negotiate down to the latest version supported by both."
22:35:19rasherProbably a good idea to keep
22:35:33rasher(and likely supported by most modern distros)
22:36:09bluebrother./configure -prefix /usr/local/qt4.3.1-static/ -release -static -fast -no-xinerama -no-xrandr -no-tabled -no-openssl -no-xshape -no-xcursor
22:36:26bluebrotherthat's my current configuration line for Qt −− anything I shouldn't disable?
22:36:41rasherI wonder what leaving out xrandr does
22:36:55rasherAnd xinerama.. well, we'll see when the bugreports comee
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22:37:11bluebrothercreate weird effects once you use randr to change the display setup?
22:37:22*bluebrother uses mergedfb
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22:41:42bluebrotherah: designer needs xshape for drag'n'drop support
22:41:46ender`xinerama is used for multiple monitor support
22:42:09bluebrotherender`: yeps, but what's the difference if rbutilqt doesn't support xinerama?
22:42:46ender`i *think* there might be problems if you try running it on a secondary monitor
22:43:00bluebrotherhmm. Let's just try it ...
22:43:10rasherThat's my best bet as well, but we'll see. It shouldn't be a huge hassle to turn it on
22:43:12ender`(i know that without xinerama, window managers will maximize windows across both)
22:43:17bluebrothertoo bad my second monitor uses mergedfb instead ;-)
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22:50:40bluebrotherrasher: what's the current openssl version on debian?
22:52:13rasherbluebrother: 0.9.8
22:53:01linuxstbbluebrother: I've just tried rbutilqt on the Mac for the first time, and have some comments...
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22:53:37bluebrotherhmm. I have 0.9.8a here ... which holds libcrypto.so.6
22:53:53bluebrotherlinuxstb: I'm really interested ...
22:54:38linuxstbbluebrother: Firstly, there were lots of messages about "mount points" - I'm not sure the average user will understand that term. But I couldn't even find my ipod - the list of folders presented didn't include /Volumes (where all disks are automounted in Mac OS X)..
22:54:53rasherbluebrother: sounds like different soname policies - I have libcrypto.so.0.9.8
22:55:16linuxstbbluebrother: I typed in the mount point manually, but then got an error because I didn't include the trailing slash - i.e. "/Volumes/Name" didn't work, but "/Volumes/Name/" did.
22:55:32bluebrotherrasher: I have libcrypto.so.0.9.8 too −− so.6 links to that
22:55:41rasherbluebrother: strangeness
22:56:02linuxstbbluebrother: The bootloader install for my ipod worked, but the final message in the progress box was "Creating installation log". There was no "Bootloader installed successfully." message or similar.
22:56:07bluebrotherlinuxstb: do you think it would be a good idea to start browsing in /Volumes and show that as top folder?
22:56:12rasherbluebrother: Probably something that OpenSSL ships, but Debian strips it because it doesn't follow policy (guessing)
22:56:56linuxstbbluebrother: Also, the ipod bootloader install requires a complex sequence of killing itunes (which normally starts automatically), unmounting the FAT32 partition, installing the bootloader, remounting the FAT32 partition, installing Rockbox, then ejecting the ipod...
22:57:30linuxstb(which rbutil doesn't guide the user through, or do any of those mount/unmount/eject steps)
22:57:54linuxstbBut apart from that, everything seemed to work very nicely...
22:58:03bluebrothersounds pretty nice ;-)
22:58:24bluebrotherdid the wx version do this itunes killing / unmounting etc steps?
22:58:30linuxstbNo.
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22:59:00linuxstbBut the current "manual" install using ipodpatcher guides the user through the steps. So currently it's easier for a user to use the manual and ipodpatcher than to guess what rbutil is expecting to the user to do.
22:59:08bluebrotherok, so we're at least not worse than before ;-)
22:59:12rasherif rbutilqt is to be included in that ipod magazine cover-cd, this should probably see some sort of solution
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22:59:36linuxstbrasher: I think we're too late for that - LinusN mentioned that the deadline was "tomorrow" (that was a few days ago)
22:59:44rasherAh, okay
22:59:54bluebrotherrasher: didn't they need it by today anyway? As far as I spoke with LinusN we came to the conclusion that it might be better to use the wx version for now
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23:00:20rasherI didn't know that
23:00:24bluebrotherlinuxstb: do you know when this magazine issue is scheduled for release?
23:00:32saratogalinuxstb: i compared the output from your parser to libasf and its identical for those files i had that didn't work at high bitrates
23:00:37linuxstbbluebrother: Regarding the mount point, we could probably parse the output of the "mount" command, and look for where the device detected by ipodpatcher has been mounted.
23:00:46bluebrotherit would be nice to have a fixed qt version around once it gets sold ;)
23:01:35linuxstbbluebrother: I've no idea, but I would expect it to be at least a few weeks after their deadline.
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23:01:37bluebrotherlinuxstb: hmm, it's done similar on linux −− does the mac have /proc/mounts?
23:01:47linuxstbNope, no /proc...
23:02:31bluebrotherok. Anything similar?
23:02:47linuxstbNot that I've seen.
23:02:56bluebrotherhmpf :(
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23:03:19saratogai've now synced that old test program that decodes the files correctly, and have been able to rule out every function except wma_decode_superframe_frame and wma_decode_superframe_init
23:03:48rasherbluebrother: http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2006-11/thread00002-0.html tells you not much at all
23:03:48saratogai don't really understand how you came up with what you did for those functions though
23:04:05saratogait seems significantly different then the ffmpeg way, and i'm not understanding the logic
23:04:56linuxstbsaratoga: IIRC, I just moved the loop from wmadeci.c into wma.c - but I'm not ruling out that I did something foolish...
23:05:11linuxstbSVN should have the details of that commit...
23:05:19saratogayes i've looked through it in detail
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23:05:41saratogai suspect that occasionally it gets the offset for the frame slightly wrong
23:05:54bluebrotherlinuxstb: how does the output of "mount" look on osx? Is it the same format as on linux?
23:06:00linuxstbsaratoga: Have you tried reverting that change?
23:06:08linuxstbbluebrother: One moment, and I'll pastebin it
23:06:10saratogaat least, the result we get is that all attempts to decode VLCs return nonsense
23:06:31saratogalinuxstb: only in my test driver, not in rockbox
23:06:38saratogahow difficult do you think that would be?
23:07:25rasherThere has got to be some sort of POSIX interface to get mounted volumes...
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23:08:29saratogainterestingly, after 1-2 superframes, it seems to reset and everything will work normally for a while
23:08:50saratogamy assumption is that something goes wrong in wma_decode_superframe_frame, and gets fixed by the next call to wma_decode_superframe_init
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23:09:47linuxstb_bluebrother: http://www.pastebin.ca/678319 (my ipod is /dev/disk1s2)
23:10:23linuxstb_ipodpatcher will identify the ipod as /dev/disk1 - that's the whole-disk device. s2 is the second partition
23:10:42bluebrotherok, thanks
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23:13:55bluebrotherah, and do you really need to unmount the Ipod before installing the bootloader? Shouldn't this work with a mounted Ipod too?
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23:14:43linuxstb_It won't work - you can't write to a raw disk device on Mac OS X if one of the partitions is mounted.
23:15:01bluebrotherah, so that's different to linux iiuc
23:15:15linuxstb_Yep.
23:15:24linuxstb_But probably the correct behaviour...
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23:16:49linuxstb_Ah, seems there's a system "unmount" function - int unmount(const char *dir, int flags);
23:17:14linuxstb_I'll see if I can add that into ipodpatcher, and if it works there, you can port it to rbutil.
23:18:17linuxstb_Hmm, it needs the dir, not the device...
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23:20:15linuxstb_bluebrother: Seems there's a function to return an array of all mounted filesystems...
23:20:53rasherIt would greatly surprise me if there wasn't
23:21:45*linuxstb_ didn't want to be drawn into Mac OS X development, but seems he's the only dev foolish enough to admit to owning a Mac...
23:22:45*bluebrother should get a job, earn money and buy a mac mini ...
23:23:05rasherwell umount(const char *target[, int flags]) exists on linux as well. It's not in posix though, strangely
23:23:20rasherthe latter called umount2
23:23:20linuxstb_Does that take a device or the mount point?
23:23:26rashermount point
23:23:37rasher(since they can be mounted multiple places)
23:23:39linuxstb_What about getmntinfo ?
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23:24:41linuxstb_Doesn't seem to exist..
23:24:42rasherlinuxstb: No such thing, I think
23:25:07rasherOdd, that
23:25:53rasherI guess /proc/mount is considered the equivalent :\
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23:29:23rasherGem from "man 2 statfs": Nobody knows what f_fsid is supposed to contain (but see below).
23:29:50linuxstb_bluebrother: BTW, I guess we'll need to do the same for sansapatcher and the Sansa bootloader install...
23:30:44rasherThere really doesn't seem to be anything like getmntinfo
23:32:53bluebrotherlinuxstb_: ok, fetching mountpoint based on output of mount: http://www.pastebin.ca/678338
23:33:07rasherbluebrother: That's really nasty :\
23:33:08bluebrotherI disabled the rockbox-info.txt detection
23:33:25bluebrotherrasher: yes, but it works at least on my linux box.
23:34:34rasherwhy not use getmntinfo() on os x?
23:35:03rasherhttp://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man3/getmntinfo.3.html
23:35:15rasherMight work on FreeBSD also
23:36:29bluebrotherah: The getmntinfo() function first appeared in 4.4BSD.
23:36:51rasherPity nothing like it seems to exist in Linux
23:37:14bluebrotherseems VirtualBox supports BSD ... I need more disk space.
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23:39:09*bluebrother wonders if there is any bsd live cd around that includes development tools
23:39:19rasherbluebrother: perhaps getmntent and friends? (on linux)
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23:39:56n1srasher: thanks for fixing that lang typo :-)
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23:42:24bluebrotherhmm, is there /etc/mtab on osx?
23:42:46rasherbluebrother: I guess we want something like FILE* f = setmntent("/etc/mtab", "r"); getmntent(f) and then some horribleness then
23:43:34bluebrotherrasher: I'm not sure if this is better than the current /proc/mounts parsing
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23:44:35rasherbluebrother: Why not? It's using specified interfaces, and we get the parsing for free - plus we don't have to worry about differing layouts of the file
23:45:17qwmscorche: level 99 is a bitch too.
23:45:34rasherIf a distro changes the look of /etc/mtab for some reason, they'll in all likelyhood change getmntent as well, so it should Just Work[tm] (famous last words)
23:47:17Soap<linuxstb> What do you mean by "eject"? "safely disconnect"?
23:47:23SoapYes, safely disconnect.
23:47:53Soap2:45 later it's still working (though I don't think that was ever a question) Windows didn't freak.
23:48:07rasherbluebrother: As far as I can tell, getmntent() and friends is the proper way to do it on Linux
23:49:43rasherbluebrother: http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=getmntent
23:50:18rasherCould be some useful examples lurking in those results
23:50:22jhMikeSSoap: are you seeing my PM?
23:50:29bluebrotherrasher: already playing around with it ;-)
23:51:08rasherAlrighty
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23:51:23rasherDid you ever build a new static binary?
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23:52:26bluebrotherno, Qt build is still running −− I had the windows binary running earlier so I started the linux one just a while ago
23:52:40bluebrotherI'll build one once Qt is finished
23:53:13linuxstb_bluebrother: getmntinfo works very nicely to get the mount point, but it seems the unmount function won't - "operation not permitted"...
23:53:53linuxstb_So it may be necessary to run the external "diskutil" program - "diskutil unmount /mount/point"
23:54:08rasherOr launch ipodpatcher with superuser privs?
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23:54:37rasherI assume you need that to write to the disk anyway?
23:54:44linuxstb_No.
23:54:59rasherAh.
23:55:37linuxstb_Seems the disk device is owned by "dave", but it was mounted by root, not "dave", so I can't unmount it...
23:55:50rasherPerplexing
23:55:58rasherYou'd have thought it the other way round
23:56:06linuxstb_Indeed.
23:57:36rasherand diskutil can magically unmount it anyway?
23:57:38linuxstb_OK, so as a test I ran ipodpatcher as root, the unmount worked, but then Mac OS X popped up a window complaining I didn't cleanly unmount...
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23:58:12linuxstb_I think the problem is Apple have added extra layers of stuff on top of basic BSD - so it's those layers complaining they've been bypassed...
23:58:33linuxstb_rasher: Yes, diskutil can do it somehow...

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