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#rockbox log for 2007-09-03

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00:03:44evil_corehi all
00:04:03*linuxstb_ is still waiting (13 hours later) for static qt to compile on his ibook...
00:04:27peturslow ibook? :p
00:04:31evil_coreare there any hackers that can help me to run rockbox on iRiver u10 ?
00:04:37rasherpetur: and/or slow g++
00:04:59Bagderevil_core: try finding other u10 owners
00:05:01scorcheyay!...my various archos units work!
00:05:16scorcheand one of mine that died a while back seems to be running rockbox 2.2
00:05:27linuxstb_evil_core: I assume you've read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
00:07:20evil_coreo dont remember if i was reading it before, but i know that none of the develkopers have u10/old clix
00:08:20linuxstb_What CPU does the U10 have?
00:08:27pixelmascorche: that's... ancient
00:08:38evil_corebut many peoples consider on forums that is not much different tnan h300
00:08:54evil_corehttp://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=968
00:08:57scorchepixelma: yeah...it died a while back and i got my new soldering station today
00:09:05evil_corethere are specs and photos of PCB
00:09:12scorchehasnt run in years...
00:09:53Bagder"CPU: ARM Samsung SA58700X07"
00:10:04rasherevil_core: certainly quite different to h300
00:10:14linuxstb_It couldn't be more different...
00:10:54Bagderyeah, nand based and a cirrus codec... not a lot like the h300 in there
00:11:40Bagder"that's just 256 MB of RAM"
00:11:51Bagderhehe, always that bit vs byte confusion...
00:12:19bluebrotherlinuxstb_: 13 hours? Ouch.
00:12:23linuxstb_#1 result for SA58700 on google is our wiki - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58
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00:12:45evil_corehmm...i dont remember to what it was nearly identical, because i was searching the web for information if anybody was trying to run rockbox on it over halft the year ago
00:13:09*bluebrother waits for Qt/Win to finish compiling :/
00:13:22rasherevil_core: Perhaps the clix?
00:13:29linuxstb_The iriver E10 shares the same CPU
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00:14:26evil_corelinuxstb, E10 is supported by rockbox ?
00:14:34bluebrotherevil_core: no
00:14:49rasherevil_core: No player with this CPU (or anything like it) is supported by Rockbox
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00:15:27evil_coreso its no real chance for non-hacker to try run rocbkox on it ?
00:16:02evil_coreim not programist, and not electronic
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00:16:20scorchewell, it has to be ported...
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00:16:35linuxstb_Assuming Samsung won't give anyone the datasheet, it will be a very hard port.
00:18:21peturI thought Samsung had quite a bit of datasheets available, just not for the one apple is using
00:18:46Bagderno, they're hiding lots of it
00:18:53Bagderlike everyone else these days
00:19:00peturhmmm :/
00:19:52linuxstb_" The data sheet of this product is either in preparation or is not effective yet."
00:20:02linuxstb_http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=212&partnum=SA58700
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00:25:06evil_coreso i can be only happy that iriver firmware is quite good, damny good interface
00:25:27evil_coreprobably im losing only doom3 ;)
00:25:45evil_coredamn, \not doom3, but doom*
00:29:13rasherbluebrother: did you see FS #7697?
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00:30:33bluebrotherrasher: yes. Already tried it but for some strange reason parts of the translation is french :/
00:30:55bluebrotherand the traditional file only displays an error.
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00:43:57amiconnrasher: What do you think, should we rename finnish.lang to suomi.lang? All other languages using latin use their localised name...
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00:55:23rasheramiconn: I think so. Did you see FS #7637 ?
00:56:18amiconnNope
00:56:36amiconnI wouldn't go as far as renaming the language files for non-latin languages
00:57:30rasherI agree that it's not as straight-forward, but I think it could be a good idea. Finnish should be done for sure though.
00:57:33linuxstbWouldn't renaming cause a potential problem when people upgrade - the old finnish.lang would still be there?
00:57:47linuxstbI mean .lng
00:57:53amiconnFinnish and czech, then. Overlooked the latter...
00:58:38amiconnI don't know how cross-platform unicode .lng file names in the .zip would be...
00:58:46pixelmaparuski is also a strange suggestion...
00:59:29pixelmalike someone suggesting to rename english.lang into inenglish.lang
00:59:47rasherI'm not entirely sure cesky is a correct romanization of čeština
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01:00:46rasherWe should probably consult a native speaker before each rename
01:02:52linuxstbPlease don't consult a native speaker about aoler.lang... ;)
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01:04:49peturbtw, is that to be committed or was it just a joke?
01:05:55chrisjs169linuxstb, yeah, i noticed aoler.lang ;)
01:06:49linuxstbWhat do people think? Should I commit it? I'm not sure I'll want to keep maintaining it though...
01:07:37rasherCouldn't hurt - it's not like language files are huge
01:08:04peturwill there be a voice file for it? ;)
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01:08:25rasherConsider it an easter egg - perhaps make buildzip only include it on april 1st
01:08:47chrisjs1698841 bytes isn't too bad
01:08:49pixelmaone more to make updating a build on Ondio slooow ;(
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01:09:32linuxstbpetur: On 1st April, it could be renamed to english.lang...
01:09:49peturlol
01:12:17*linuxstb sleeps
01:14:33DarkJesusCan I ask a non-rockbox related question?
01:14:49DarkJesusOh, #rockbox-community
01:14:50rasherIf it's completely off-topic, please see topic
01:14:52DarkJesusI'll try there first
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01:30:17rasheramiconn: Why not add a description of the options to configure when asking for options for the tts engine?
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01:44:38JdGordonlinuxstb: did you get a tester for the pp usb patch and sansa bootloader yet?
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01:48:44saratogaif anyone was interested in doing sansa developement, the Buy.com has the e250 for 50 shipped
01:49:54saratogahttp://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205562657
01:50:44delYsidi'll get my e280 tomorrow! And I've already patched chessbox to talk, so lets see if the patch actually works :)
01:54:57peturJdGordon: [01:12] * linuxstb sleeps
01:55:23JdGordonok, ta
01:58:26amiconneurgh
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01:59:01amiconnutf-8 handling for sapi is still missing -> bloated and funny-sounding voice files for languages using non-ascii chars (e.g. german)
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02:01:53jerichoHi, could somebody with an iAudio X5 please tell me whether you need the subpack to charge it?
02:02:37amiconnyes you do
02:04:03jerichoI'm wondering will the fact there is only one sub pack be a problem
02:04:37jerichouh oh really? I have an offer of 2 x 20gb ones for 90 euro, about 120 USD, with only 1 sub pack and charger, one of them has a bad battery and the other has a joystick that's kinda broken but can be easily fixed
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02:37:53sean53452345Can you play linux games on rockbox?
02:38:26hcsno
02:38:43sean53452345awww :'[
02:39:25sean53452345well you know a good mpeg converter that can output movies in ipod nano form?
02:39:42sean53452345cause the one i used wont play sound
02:39:45saratogasean53452345: check the wiki
02:40:23peturhmmm if I revert the only contribution of somebody, should his name also be removed again from credits?
02:43:58LloreanI think it's still in our SVN repository, though I guess his name is also still in it too...
02:44:54peturI guess it won't hurt having the extra name and might hurt his motivation when I remove it again...
02:45:36peturanyway, bed time now
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03:00:20sean53452345is there anything else you can do with rockbox?
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03:09:50`sam`you can play songs with it
03:20:29sean53452345well yeah i mean lke is there any more features that you can download
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03:31:20Falco98you can play tetris.... though i think they may have taken that out for some reason(?)
03:31:23Falco98i can't find it in later builds
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03:57:21`sam`it's not called tetris in there though
03:57:39webguest58if I put this on my ipod will I also have the option to run apple's ipod firmware when I restart my ipod
03:57:41webguest58?
03:57:56`sam`it's rockblox
03:58:24`sam`webguest58, yes, you can still start the apple firmware by switching on the hold button when it's booting
03:59:09webguest58then if the hold button is off when I boot my ipod will it automatically go to rockbox?
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04:00:03`sam`yeah
04:00:05`sam`it should
04:00:34webguest58tyvm :)
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06:13:55eigmais there anything like !seen here?
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06:16:20eigmabummer
06:16:21eigmathanks
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07:39:07arrrghhhah... hey i had a question
07:39:19eigmanerochiaro: hey
07:39:31arrrghhhabout rockbox on apple ipods... the database takes a painfully long time to load on bootup
07:39:39nerochiaroeigma: hi
07:39:43*sadeness is happy owner of new rockboxed player :D
07:39:58eigmanerochiaro: I did some work on Neuros.. you're doing work for that project, aren't you?
07:40:18nerochiaroeigma: yes, i actually work for them now
07:40:26eigmanice, congratulations
07:40:39nerochiaroeigma: thanks. i remember about you, it was some time ago though, right ?
07:40:51eigma6 months, I would think
07:41:20eigmamy full-time job sucked up all my time over the summer.. unfortunately, it wasn't with Neuros, heh
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07:42:10arrrghhhis there any way to prevent that long database load on the inital run of rockbox? i have 8 database files that it loads (~34000 songs) and it takes a very long time ot load
07:42:13nerochiaroeigma: sorry about that. i actually had a busy summer too, only one week vacation this year
07:42:47eigmabah. how's neuros development? any major steps since I was there?
07:43:51nerochiaroeigma: well, we added some stuff in 6 months. youtube browser, a new audio player based on xmms2, lots of other small things
07:44:26eigmanice
07:44:34eigmathe .ko's are still as closed-source as ever?
07:44:52nerochiarounfortunately they are. all DSP stuff still is
07:45:04eigmaah well
07:45:11eigmahow many .ko updates have there been in 6 months?
07:46:17nerochiarovarious. vendor sometimes fixes things in these decoders (though more rarely than neuros would like). and we may move some format parsers (like avi, asf) out of the closed modules, though it's not sure yet
07:46:40eigmayeah, it sure makes sense to have avi parsing in userspace.. anyway
07:46:45eigmaglad to see the project is still active :)
07:47:11nerochiaroeigma: glad too :)
07:47:22nerochiarohopefully it will stay that way
07:47:47*scorche spots offtopic chatter
07:47:56arrrghhhuh nothing?
07:48:01*nerochiaro quietly drops subject, hides in corner
07:48:09eigmasorry..
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07:50:56scorcheyou dont have to drop the subject...there are alternative channels, PMs, etc
07:51:16eigmathe topic is dead.. YOU KILLED IT!11ONE!! ;)
07:51:20Frnzydoes anyone know offhand what the average sansa e2xx runtime is with both standard and rockbox firmware?
07:51:26daurnthere is of course #neuros :P
07:51:41Frnzyi'm trying to get an idea how long it should be on the refurbished one i just bought
07:51:41nerochiaroscorche: i was just dropping it here in fact ;)
07:51:43eigmaheyyy darunimator; /me switched channel before he gets clubbed
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08:20:42linuxstbJdGordon: Thanks for testing the Sansa bootloader with my usb patch.
08:21:34Frnzylinuxstb: sorry to butt in, but just curious, what does the patch you just mentioned do?
08:21:55linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7691
08:22:03Frnzythanks.
08:22:12linuxstbnp
08:24:40GodEater_anyone resurrected the build system yet ?
08:24:53linuxstbJdGordon: I think you could change the sleep(HZ/4) to sleep(HZ/10) - the usb_detect() shouldn't take more than 1/2 second to detect USB (that's what the timeout is when distinguishing between USB and charger when the detection happens in Rockbox). In most cases it should be around 200ms.
08:25:29linuxstbGodEater_: Yes, it's alive again
08:25:38ddaltonwhat was wrong?
08:25:42ddaltonwith it?
08:26:12linuxstbThe local checkout of svn on the build server was locked for some reason - meaning svn update failed.
08:26:27ddaltonare ok what was wrong with it?
08:27:07linuxstbI don't know. Bagder fixed it last night.
08:27:19GodEater_linuxstb: does that mean you're going to submit your patch then linuxstb ?
08:27:33*GodEater_ wonders why he put linuxstb's name at both ends
08:28:13linuxstbGodEater_: Yes, but probably not until this evening. Real work is calling me today
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08:40:17GodEater_do we have any sansa-owning experts around ?
08:40:39Frnzysansa-owner, sure. expert... not at all.
08:40:45Frnzyi was hoping to find some here as well.
08:40:54GodEater_JdGordon ?
08:41:11scorcheGodEater_: you know better than to ask a question as broad as that ;)
08:42:17GodEater_http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12360.0 <−− this post is worrying me - I want to make sure before I say "Noooo! don't do that!" that I'm not talking out of my ass. Is that a better question ?
08:45:57daurnimatordo we have rockbox on 2nd gen nanos yet?
08:46:05peturno
08:46:15daurnimatorwhat is the status?
08:46:21scorchethere isnt any
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08:47:19daurnimator:(
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08:48:50daurnimatorGodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
08:52:06daurnimatorwhat is the status on the gigabeat s
08:52:52linuxstbThe port is in progress...
08:53:07daurnimatorwho is working on it?
08:53:43linuxstbaliask (although his gigabeat S is currently dead), and (I think) ptw419
08:53:58GodEater_and to some extent toffe82 as well
08:55:07GodEater_daurnimator: that's a nice link - but I don't believe it describes the forum poster's problem.
08:56:53linuxstbGodEater_: B4gder seems to know the 1001 ways to repair a Sansa...
08:57:32linuxstbMy guess would be that the device could benefit from a reformat - I think you can put a text file on the device in recovery mode to make the OF format the device.
08:57:37GodEater_I just thought that "deleting your .rockbox directory from within rockbox" seemed liked a bad start
08:58:57linuxstbI can't see why it would help, but it shouldn't do any harm - rockbox can't give the user USB mode anyway, so he hasn't lost anything.
08:59:43GodEater_No - but it seems unncessary
08:59:54GodEater_it's going to wipe all the user's settings
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09:00:20linuxstbYes, but he's most likely going to have to reformat the device anyway.
09:00:34GodEater_a chkdsk /f won't mend it ?
09:00:54linuxstbIf the OF won't start, you can't enter USB mode, so you can't run chkdsk...
09:01:14GodEater_ah
09:01:28GodEater_shame e200tool doesn't support a way round that too
09:01:50B4gderaround what exactly?
09:01:51GodEater_it seems to the most fussy of all our devices
09:02:13linuxstbB4gder: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12360.0
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09:03:32B4gderwell, a first shot would of course be to use recovery mode and try to recover
09:04:01B4gderthe OF failing to start is a new effect to me
09:04:02GodEater_is that what the second poster describes? Copying in a new .mi4 ?
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09:04:12B4gderyes
09:04:53B4gderI think it sounds like a damaged file system
09:05:00B4gderthat the OF just bails out on
09:05:08GodEater_so linuxstb is correct, and he'll have to do the format trick ?
09:05:20B4gderyeah, probably
09:05:41GodEater_shame
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09:33:33nerochiaroquick question about the sansa version: do i understand it correctly that to load files to the device via usb, i should boot into the original fw ?
09:34:52linuxstbYes, for now.
09:34:54GodEater_nerochiaro: you do indeed
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09:35:18nerochiarobut the micro SD card will still work ok, i assume ?
09:35:28nerochiaroin rockbox
09:35:39B4gderyes
09:35:45B4gdereven microsdhc these days
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09:36:07linuxstbB4gder: But only in Rockbox, not the OF?
09:36:11B4gderexactly
09:36:24nerochiarooh, nice. and is it possible from rockbox to transfer from SD to the internal memory ?
09:36:37B4gderyes
09:37:18nerochiaroi might get a sansa then :) or there are any flash-based rockbox targets that are more stable/suggested for some reason ?
09:37:48*GodEater_ gets the impression from the forums that the sansa is the *least* stable flash target we have
09:38:04B4gderwell, it is also the most used
09:38:05GodEater_although I guess the forums are hardly representative of the whole sansa user base
09:38:08B4gderor at least most downloaded
09:38:16GodEater_there is that too
09:38:22linuxstbGodEater_: Most comments I've read recently about the Sansa is how well Rockbox runs on it...
09:38:34GodEater_I withdraw my statement then
09:38:47linuxstbBut you possibly read the forums more than me...
09:38:49B4gderI've been using my sansa recently and rockbox been running spledidly
09:39:29linuxstbI doubt there's much difference between the Nano and the Sansa - the only two swcodec flash targets. (I'm ignoring the iFP as no-one knows its status...)
09:39:46GodEater_the Ondio is hwcodec too? I didn't know that.
09:40:00B4gderall the archos ones we run on are
09:40:02linuxstbYes, all the currently supported Archos devices are extremely similar.
09:40:31linuxstbi.e. SH cpu and MAS mpeg audio codec
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09:41:59scorcheso, i mentioned it before, but it seemed to got buried...should we put the new theme site out now, or some other timing?
09:43:32GodEater_now now now now
09:45:56nerochiarook, thanks about the sansa answers
09:46:25nerochiaroand another quick (probably dumb) question : is this the 3g nano ipod that's not yet supported by rockbox ? http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/
09:47:33linuxstbThe current Nano (2nd generation) is not supported. There is no 3rd gen.
09:47:47petur[yet]
09:47:54nerochiarowhops, i should've said 2nd there, sorry
09:48:22linuxstbAnd yes, the multi-coloured one is the 2nd gen. The 1st gen only cam ein black and white.
09:48:25nerochiaroand thanks
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09:56:54advcomp2019i see people talking about 3rd gen ipod nano btw i have been reading it is going to be out on sept 5th
09:57:53B4gderyeah, engadget were threatened by Apple to get the pics removed
09:57:58B4gderfunnily enough
09:58:46linuxstbThey're so dramatic...
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09:59:05Frnzydid they comply?
09:59:25B4gderyes
09:59:39advcomp2019new pics −−> http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q307-leaked-images-of-new-3rd-gen-ipod-nano/
09:59:40B4gderapparently they claimed the picture was stolen
09:59:46Frnzybah.
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10:00:01nerochiarothey are apple fanboys, they probably did
10:00:01nerochiarothey look like so, at least
10:01:17advcomp2019i havent and never will own an ipod myself
10:01:40Frnzyit's actually relatively nice, assuming you find a way to manage it that isn't itunes.
10:02:00*linuxstb generally likes Apple hardware, but hates their software
10:04:33advcomp2019i have wma files that i have and ipods will not plat wmas unless you rockbox it but i have been reading right that wmas in rockbox does not work right right now
10:04:47advcomp2019play*
10:05:14GodEater_where are you reading that ?
10:05:18linuxstbThere are still some bugs, but I would expect 99% of wma files to be fine.
10:05:29linuxstbThere is no seeking in wma yet though.
10:05:56advcomp2019o ok
10:05:58nerochiarolinuxstb: i think the bugs are in the low-bitrate files (< 32Kbps i think), at least according to what i've seen with that decoder and saratoga's comments.
10:06:41advcomp2019plus i like a fm radio too
10:07:42GodEater_well no amount of rockboxing is going to introduce that as a feature to an ipod ;-)
10:07:59ddaltonyeah!
10:08:02linuxstbUSB FM receiver? ...
10:08:19GodEater_linuxstb: you volunteering to write the drivers? :)
10:08:24ddaltonwon't you need to get the doc port working?
10:08:35GodEater_ddalton: yes you would
10:08:48ddaltonor is that all ready working?
10:09:02ddaltonI am not!
10:09:07ddaltonI don't like ipods
10:09:19GodEater_ddalton: that was a collective "you" - not you personally
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10:10:25advcomp2019plus the ipods are too much money imo
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10:19:03*markun thinks the ipod hostility by some people is a bit childish
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10:20:05linuxstbmarkun: Does BSD have the sg_inq (SCSI inquiry) command or something similar?
10:20:12ddaltonwell I had one and the hard drive didn't last long!
10:20:46ddaltonif I pay $300 for something I expect it will last more than 8 months with not much use.
10:21:10GodEater_ddalton: if you think the hard drives in ipods are bad - you should have owned a Rio Karma - that was dreadful
10:21:23linuxstbddalton: But I assume it was replaced under warranty?
10:22:04advcomp2019i had a rave mp arc2.5 that the microdrive died in after 2 to 2.5 years of use
10:22:22ddaltonno it wasn't maybe it was 10 or 12 months I am not exactly sure.
10:22:24markunlinuxstb: do you know at which header file I should look?
10:22:34linuxstbmarkun: It's a command-line utility.
10:22:35ddaltonI still have it here but it is no good at the minute
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10:23:38markunddalton: I think it would be better for you not to buy DAPs with a Toshba HDD, don't you think?
10:24:13advcomp2019i like flash players now
10:24:45ddaltonwhat's DAPs
10:24:52markundigital audio players
10:25:10advcomp2019then i has a rio sport s30s that lasted me 4 to 5 years before the case broke on it
10:25:24advcomp2019had*
10:25:25ddaltonI only have h300 but the only problem is a bit big
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10:27:14advcomp2019is it ok that we go to the other rockbox channel to talk since i think this is off the topic for this chnnel
10:27:22advcomp2019channel*
10:27:29scorchesplendid! =)
10:28:33markunlinuxstb: camcontrol is what you are looking for I think
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10:32:47linuxstbmarkun: OK, thanks. I just wanted to see if the feature was present - Apple have very annoyingly removed it (or at least hidden it very well) in Mac OS X...
10:34:28daurnimatorddalton: what if it was a car?
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10:45:03ddaltonwhat was a car?
10:45:55daurnimator[18:26:07] <ddalton> if I pay $300 for something I expect it will last more than 8 months with not much use.
10:47:00ddaltonyeah well it is a bit hard to drive when your blind but I would expect anything over about $50 to at least last a year.
10:48:07Frnzyoff topic to th current conversations, but was anything finally decided regarding jpg album art?
10:48:26scorchewhat do you mean "decided"?
10:48:46Frnzyi guess... is it a goal for the near future at all?
10:49:10linuxstbWe still don't have the far simpler "cover.bmp" implemented...
10:49:23ddaltonspeaking about ipods does anyone know how to test the hard drive to see if it is the problem?
10:49:31Frnzywhich generation?
10:49:36ddalton4th
10:49:41ddaltongray scale
10:49:48scorcheddalton: what is the issue?
10:50:00ddaltonwell it just won't boot.
10:50:09scorchewill it go into disc mode?
10:50:14ddaltonif you try to boot the apple fw it will just freze
10:50:22ddaltonno it won't and it won't connect to my computer
10:50:32ddaltonwindows doesn't recognise it.
10:50:41linuxstbThere's a "diagnostics mode" in the Apple bootloader - you hold MENU+LEFT as it's booting to enter it. There may be a hard disk diagnostics option there, but you'll need some sighted help to explore the menus.
10:51:26ddaltonI have a feeling I tried that but I will give it a go. maybe my new computer might help. (probably not) but I will just let it charge up.
10:51:46Frnzylinuxstb: second question then, any guess on the timeframe for bmp code to be integrated into the main build? :)
10:52:19scorcheFrnzy: it wont be
10:52:23linuxstbIt was due to be done this summer, but wasn't completed. We're now back to the usual "when it's done..." answer.
10:52:27scorcheat least in its current state
10:52:53Frnzyah.
10:53:18ddaltonactually it sounds bad. it sounds like the hdd doesn't have enough room to spin up.
10:53:40Frnzyif you're ready to junk the ipod anyway... i have a suggestion
10:53:47ddaltonshould I pull it a part and put the hdd in to the correct posision?
10:54:03ddaltonwhat's that?
10:54:07ddaltonsuggestion?
10:54:10Frnzywith the ipod turned off, hold it in one hand, and hit it firm/hard with your other palm on the back side.
10:54:31Frnzyi know a good deal of people that ended up with another 6 months to a year of life from a clicking ipod by doing it.
10:54:36ddaltonYeah I know where you got that one from!
10:54:50ddaltonI will try that it isn't much use
10:54:52ddaltonnow
10:54:53Frnzydon't do this if you have other ideas to try first, but hey.
10:55:00Frnzyworth a shot if the other option is trash.
10:55:22ddaltono yeah I might try what I said before and then just smash my hand on the back of it.
10:55:29ddaltonwith frustration
10:56:05ddaltonso what do you guys think? just move the hdd around a bit into posision?
10:56:29linuxstbddalton: If you're going to throw it away, there may be some Rockbox devs interested in seeing if they could fix it and then use it to help Rockbox development.
10:57:43ddaltonI will make sure I don't throw it away. I don't throw any technology away. But I want to try and get it working first.
10:57:55ddaltonIf I can't then you guys can have it some how. Don't know how
10:58:00ddaltonthough
10:58:14linuxstbHave you tried forcing it into disk mode (holding SELECT+PLAY when booting) ?
10:58:47ddaltonyep but the hdd sounds really cramped. The screen doesn't even come on.
10:59:16ddaltonmaybe that happened when I dropped it but that was after it wasn't working. I only dropped it from about 2 feet.
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10:59:51*ddalton thinks apple have done something. There are lots of people with this problem. Just see wiki.
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11:00:29ddaltonany other ideas? Or should I just try putting the hdd into place again?
11:00:42linuxstbThat's worth trying of course.
11:00:47ddaltono yeah does it matter that it has scratches on the side if I give it to a dev?
11:01:07ddaltonThe knife slipped when I was openning it. It isn't to bad.
11:01:17linuxstbNo, that wouldn't be an issue.
11:01:30*ddalton just needs some sighted help and then will try.
11:02:02amiconnThe hdd can be replaced if it's faulty
11:02:38amiconnddalton: Btw, the iriver H300 uses the same harddrives as the fullsize ipods
11:03:51peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement
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11:05:25ddaltonamiconn: how much do you think a 20 gb would be?
11:05:35*ddalton doesn't want to break something else.
11:06:06ddaltonwhy does the rockbox sight have info on hdd replacement? isn't that not a rockbox thing?
11:07:25GodEater_Rockbox is about customising your DAP - so whilst mostly it's about the software, I count Hard drive replacement as something else it's worth doing too - and therefore something we like to have info on
11:07:47ddaltonI thought the ipod 4th gen had a mk something 2004 hdd in it here it says it has a MK4004GAH
11:08:40ddaltonGodEater_: what player do you have?
11:10:00GodEater_I have an iRiver H140, an iPod Video 80GB, and a Gigabeat F40
11:10:05ddaltono the 4th gen and h300 must have the same drives. So this page is saying apple and iriver are as bad as each other with there drives?
11:10:12ddaltonwhat one do you find the best?
11:10:45GodEater_I prefer the iPod for daily use - it's the smallest - the H140 is the one I use in the car, because it has the longest battery life, and the F40 is the best for PacBox ;)
11:12:37k-manhow do i boot back to rockbox if i am in ipod mode?
11:13:48linuxstbddalton: I expect you can find a 20GB disk very cheaply - from people who have upgraded players to larger disks.
11:13:54dionoeak-man: you hold menu+select
11:14:19ddaltonhow much would you think?
11:14:20linuxstbGodEater_: Your next project could be implement sound in pacbox...
11:14:31Frnzybye all.
11:14:35k-manthanks dionoea
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11:15:40GodEater_linuxstb: I prefer music in pacbox, so that's not something I'm interested in doing.
11:16:13linuxstbGodEater_: Excuses...
11:17:40GodEater_btw - I have just observed my ipod turning itself on
11:17:47GodEater_this is the first time I've actually seen it happen
11:20:46linuxstbSo there wasn't a mouse involved?
11:22:02linuxstbHave you seen reports of that behaviour from other people? If so, which ipods?
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11:24:00GodEater_there's a thread in the forums about it where others have reported it (including Llorean, but he wasn't certain it wasn't his fault)
11:24:07GodEater_so it's at least been reported on Nano's too
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11:25:09webguest65hello...
11:26:23linuxstbhi
11:27:07webguest65i cant seem to get the ipod patcher to work for 3G version
11:27:39linuxstbWhat OS are you running (Windows, Mac, Linux, ...) ?
11:27:41webguest65tried unmounting it in disk utility per the instruction manual...
11:28:02webguest65mac powerbook g4 power pc
11:28:36linuxstbWhat does ipodpatcher say?
11:28:37webguest65got the .rockbox folder on the ipod in disk mode...
11:28:53webguest65says it cant find the ipod...
11:29:29webguest65i've used my mac to format the drive as MS-DOS format...
11:29:41linuxstbDoes the Apple firmware still start correctly?
11:30:12webguest65no i completly formated the drive, so there is no firmware...
11:30:25linuxstbThat's why ipodpatcher won't work - it requires a working FAT32 ipod.
11:30:53webguest65i thought formating it was doing that?
11:31:04linuxstbYou should restore with itunes, and then follow these instructions for converting - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
11:31:44webguest65reading...
11:32:24webguest65there is not a partition table that matches my 3G ipod
11:32:58linuxstbDo you know anyone with Windows who would let you restore your ipod with itunes there?
11:33:30webguest65no, can i use the terminal option?
11:34:24rvvs89webguest65: http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_iTunes
11:34:26rvvs89try that
11:34:45webguest65checking...
11:35:26linuxstbThat page requires linux - the Mac OS X fdisk is different. I don't know if the Mac fdisk can do the job - I've never been able to figure out how...
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11:36:11rvvs89Well, good luck anyway
11:36:22linuxstbAnother option would be to wait until the next version of ipodpatcher is released - I'm working on integrating the conversion to FAT32 into ipodpatcher, but it's not finished yet.
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11:38:10webguest65does rockbox require apple firmware to be installed?
11:38:28webguest65can they coexist?
11:38:30dionoeayes
11:39:08webguest65i see, i was trying to format the ipod completely, and then install only rockbox firmware...
11:40:06webguest65does the rockbox overwrite the apple firmware or just run beside it?
11:40:46dionoeathe bootloader choses which one to run
11:40:51dionoeaby default it'll run rockbox
11:41:17dionoeabut you can also run the apple firmware if you want (which is useful for fast USB transfers since rockbox doesn't handle USB on iPods yet)
11:42:11linuxstbwebguest65: ipodpatcher requires a working ipod to start with, but it can remove the Apple firmware and completely replace it with Rockbox. But the default install is for dual-booting with both Rockbox and the Apple firmware available.
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11:42:59linuxstbbluebrother: Just the person... What ./configure options would you suggest for a minimal static Qt build?
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11:45:03webguest65so if i wanted only the rockbox firmware, i'd need to have apple firmware installed, then run ipodpater with the option to remove/replace it with rockbox only?
11:45:12linuxstbYes.
11:45:51linuxstbRockbox doesn't replace the Apple bootloader which is in flash ROM - and that bootloader requires the disk to be correctly partitioned with a special firmware partition.
11:46:09linuxstbSo ipodpatcher was written to require the same...
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11:47:39webguest65is there a possibility that future versions of ipodupdater could just install the the rockbox firmware on a freshly formated ipod through disk utility?
11:47:55linuxstbNo, I have no plans to implement that.
11:48:20*amiconn seems to have found a solution for the SAPI <-> utf-8 problem :)
11:49:01linuxstbwebguest65: As I said, ipodpatcher will soon convert from HFS to FAT32, so you will just need to restore with itunes on a Mac (creating a correctly formatted HFS ipod), and then run ipodpatcher which will convert to FAT32 for you.
11:49:37linuxstbI don't want to add the complication of making ipodpatcher a general ipod repair tool.
11:49:59webguest65restoring ipod to factory settings... will let you know how it goes...
11:52:17bluebrotherlinuxstb: you could try the configure line I added to the wiki for the static linux binary
11:52:45bluebrotheralso, it seems that it's faster if you not use -fast when configuring but then "make sub-src"
11:52:58bluebrotherit seems sub-src doesn't work if you fast-configure :/
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11:54:50linuxstbbluebrother: OK, thanks.
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12:01:56webguest65says restoring ipod...
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12:05:06B4gderthe recent sansa thread on the list certainly shows people's confusion about the sansa models
12:07:45linuxstbI didn't know the R was available in Europe though...
12:08:35webguest65restored ipod... ipodpatcher located ipod... says "You must convert this ipod to FAT32 format"...
12:08:43linuxstbYes...
12:08:51webguest65progress?
12:09:20linuxstbWell, your ipod is functional again.. But you still need to find a way to convert to FAT32...
12:09:38webguest65mtools?
12:10:15linuxstbYou need a partitioning tool that lets you create a partition table according to the description here - http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_iTunes
12:11:05linuxstbWhich 3G do you have?
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12:11:15B4gderthere's interesting e200R info coming up
12:12:09B4gderthe i2c rom dumps are identical to the vanilla ones
12:12:11webguest6510GB
12:12:51advcomp2019i wonder he has a plain with a r back
12:12:54linuxstbwebguest65: OK... I just discovered there was an MBR from a 40GB 3G on the server, but without a link from the wiki page. I've just updated the wiki, but that won't help you.
12:13:10B4gderadvcomp2019: no, they show two partitions
12:13:29B4gderand can run rockbox
12:13:42linuxstbB4gder: What exactly is the "i2c rom"? Does that contain some kind of pre-bootloader code?
12:13:47B4gderexactly
12:13:55B4gderthe pre-boot that loads the BL.rom
12:14:09linuxstbAnd BL.rom is in the firmware partition (on regular E200s) ?
12:14:13B4gderyes
12:14:26B4gderthe news is that the R model seems to be... the same!
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12:14:31linuxstbSo that strange...
12:14:34linuxstb^is
12:14:41linuxstb(insert word appropriately)
12:15:01webguest65is the next step a partition table or firmware?
12:15:09B4gderyes, but it could mean that the usb code simply hides it
12:15:22B4gderthat is actually is there in the same spot underneath
12:15:30linuxstbB4gder: someone needs to upload a hacked rockbox.bin and run it...
12:15:42B4gderthere's an ever greater approach coming up
12:15:55B4gderwill require someone with lots of guts though
12:16:53linuxstbwebguest65: The next step is the partition table - you don't need to replace the firmware as it's stored in the same physical location for both HFS and FAT32 ipods.
12:17:17linuxstbB4gder: What's the evil plan?
12:17:17scorcheB4gder: well, if you need someone with lots of guts, let me know... /me can purchase a sansa from a store and find it to be DOA and return it...
12:17:38B4gderplan is getting added to twiki as we speak
12:17:58desowin<B4gder> the news is that the R model seems to be... the same! <- :O
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12:18:26B4gderand btw, of course all this is MrH's findings
12:19:34webguest65so i have to find one that matches my ipod?
12:20:34linuxstbwebguest65: I've already described all your options...
12:21:21webguest65can i extract a partion table from my ipod if i format it using a windows pc?
12:21:42GodEater_webguest65: yes you can - but then you'll have lost your firmware again - and the partition table will be wrong.
12:21:43linuxstbOnly if you format it with itunes
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12:22:44webguest65i can do that... how do i extract? i can give you a copy to add to this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
12:23:06webguest65since the partition for my model isn't listed...
12:23:14linuxstbwebguest65: "dd if=/dev/disk1 of=mbr-3g-10gb.bin" - assuming your ipod is /dev/disk1 (ipodpatcher will report the device name)
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12:24:56linuxstbwebguest65: Sorry, I got that wrong... Should be "dd if=/dev/disk1 of=mbr-3g-10gb.bin count=1" - otherwise it will copy all 10GB...
12:25:06webguest65do i run this in windows terminal?
12:25:14linuxstbNo, in the Mac OS X terminal.
12:25:26linuxstbYou can't do it easily in WIndows.
12:25:42webguest65so format on windows pc, attach to mac and run that in the mac terminal?
12:25:51webguest65where will it extract to?
12:25:57linuxstbrestore with itunes on windows pc...
12:25:58B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200R#Plan_B
12:26:14webguest65yes restore on pc first...
12:27:47webguest65restore on pc using itunes, then extract the partition info on mac terminal, correct?
12:28:02linuxstbB4gder: Why does the bootloader image need to be patched? (and what was it patched to change) ?
12:28:12B4gderit needs to accept non-signed images
12:28:21linuxstbB4gder: You couldn't just upload a vanilla E200 bootloader?
12:28:24B4gderdummy-signed
12:28:30B4gderpossibly, yes
12:28:44linuxstbBut this should keep the "R" functionality?
12:28:59B4gderthis approach should make it work exactly like before
12:29:40B4gderthere might be other minor changes in the BL code of course
12:29:56B4gderah, for example the mi4 files differ so only the original can load the R OF
12:30:06linuxstbOK. Wouldn't it be safer to upload a test app (maybe the Rockbox bootloader) and have a look at what's on the disk?
12:30:18B4gderyes it would
12:30:21webguest65going to restore using itunes on windows pc...
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12:35:11linuxstbB4gder: In theory, if this goes wrong, manufacturing mode should still be available?
12:35:20B4gderyes
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12:36:57linuxstbB4gder: This seems so obvious, I'm wondering why no-one has done it before...
12:37:30B4gderpossibly because there's no dev with an R so there's very little thinking going on
12:37:41kugelprobably because noone vistitng that site owns an R model
12:38:21advcomp2019i have an e200r kugel
12:38:31kugelany why dont you try?
12:38:43*linuxstb points advcomp2019 to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/fresh/Main/SansaE200R#Plan_B
12:38:58*linuxstb also points out the high risk of brickness
12:39:21*bluebrother hands our linuxstb the red flashing color
12:39:23kugelgive it a try, rockbox on R would be so cool
12:39:51advcomp2019that is what i am worried about because this is my only working player right now
12:41:05kugeldo you think that SanDisk wont RMA it?
12:41:43kugelis this Plan B actually just making a R to a non-R?
12:42:09kugelbecause someone did that on the ABi forums
12:43:07B4gderno, its not
12:43:41B4gderand that guy was in our forum as well
12:43:49B4gderand explicitly did what we said he should not
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12:46:46kugeldo you mean Guyman?
12:47:01kugeloh
12:47:02kugelwait
12:47:06kugeli confused that
12:47:21kugelsorry, the guy i meant made an non-R to an R
12:47:36B4gderthat's been done several times
12:47:46B4gderand back again too
12:48:28kugelwith changing the bootloader ?
12:48:37B4gderno
12:48:55advcomp2019this person did change the bootloader
12:49:05B4gderyes
12:49:10B4gderbut I adviced against it
12:49:34kugelthe on on the ABi forums changed to bootloader to make a non-R to a R
12:49:39kugelone*
12:49:52B4gderit is the same guy
12:49:55B4gderafaik
12:50:02kugelanyway, i have to go cya
12:50:06advcomp2019here is the link −−> http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19257
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12:53:22linuxstbB4gder: How do you convert back if you've turned an E200 into an E200R?
12:53:53B4gderif you don't change bootloader, you just put back the old one using recovery mode
12:54:12linuxstbAh, so an E200 bootloader will boot a E200R mi4?
12:54:32B4gderyes, if you just encode it properly
12:54:43B4gderI mean we've re-encoded it with mi4code
12:54:47linuxstbSure.
12:55:46B4gdermrh did it, dan_a did it, I only talked about it ;-)
12:55:54linuxstbOf course, that's all you do ;)
12:55:58B4gderthat's me
12:56:01*linuxstb too most of the time
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13:00:06linuxstbSo manufacturing mode is in the "pre-bootloader" (i2c rom code), and recovery mode in the bootloader stored on the flash disk?
13:00:18B4gderyeps
13:00:31linuxstbI think I finally understand the e200...
13:00:57amiconnB4gder: Couldn't we sign our mi4 instead?
13:02:12B4gderwe don't have the private key
13:02:35B4gderso we still need to do some sort of patching
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13:07:35GodEater_why do you host mi4code only on your own page B4gder? I've not quite understood why it's not in the wiki...
13:07:38linuxstbSo someone with a vanilla E200 could install the E200R bootloader and MI4, and then try and convert back?
13:08:19B4gderlinuxstb: hm, yes I guess that's indeed a working approach
13:08:44B4gderGodEater_: mostly because I started it like that and then I try to keep MrH's work separate from Rockbox
13:09:03GodEater_B4gder: ah ok
13:09:34linuxstbAlthough it would seem we would need to incorporate e200tool functionality into rbutil if Plan B works...
13:09:46GodEater_that's what I was thinking =/
13:09:52B4gderyeah
13:10:11B4gderand the patching of the original BL...
13:11:37linuxstbIf this works, then in theory we could write our own app that gets uploaded in manufacturing mode and then patches the bootloader in the firmware partition directly?
13:11:51B4gdertrue
13:12:39linuxstbDo you know the extent of the patch, is it just modifying a few bytes?
13:13:06B4gderit's just a very minor patching
13:13:27B4gderI have the original and the patched one as well so it is easy to verify
13:13:49linuxstbAre there many versions?
13:13:59B4gderof the bootloader?
13:14:03linuxstbYes.
13:14:06B4gderwe only know of one
13:14:31B4gderbut that's mainly because we haven't had reason to believe there are more than one so we haven't searched
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14:47:51linuxstbB4gder: Interesting partition table post in the forum...
14:48:04linuxstbBagder even...
14:48:17B4gderindeed
14:48:27B4gderkind of also points in the same direction
14:48:59linuxstbDo you know what happened when people ran the R firmware on a normal Sansa? Did the 2nd partition remain?
14:49:06linuxstb^remain visible?
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14:49:25B4gderI don't think we paid enough attention to those details then
14:51:16amiconnB4gder: What would I need to do if I want to change my email address (ml, forum etc)?
14:52:25B4gderon the ml, go to http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rockbox and http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rockbox-dev to change email, subscribe a new and remove the old I guess
14:52:45B4gderhm, and for the -sf and -cvs lists too...
14:53:10amiconnOkay, so basically unsubscribe + new subscription
14:53:20B4gderyes I think so
14:53:24GodEater_what's the -sf list ?
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14:53:39linuxstbGodEater: It's now flyspray
14:53:57GodEater_ah
14:54:00linuxstbi.e. all activity on flyspray goes there
14:54:25GodEater_weird, it's there on the mailing list page - I just never noticed it before
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15:06:01krazykitoh, guess you already saw my post
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15:07:33GodEater_krazykit: and replied ;)
15:07:46krazykitthat's how i know you saw it :P
15:08:20krazykitand "Plan B" looks terrifying. is the e200r recoverable by JTAG? (don't have an R)
15:09:17JdGordonlinuxstb: the usb detection time in the bootloader isnt a problem.. but it may be actually in rockbox (for some reason we dont reboot on usb like the other pp targets), so id unno
15:10:29B4gderhah, it turns out MrH did in fact put the R model BL on his sansa and made it start the R mi4 back in march
15:10:52GodEater_so did he check the partition table too ?
15:11:00B4gderno
15:11:05GodEater_darn
15:11:12B4gderbut we're quite sure it is the same
15:11:37GodEater_oh - aren't we expecting the R firmware to not show the hidden partition over USB ?
15:11:40B4gderhe checked out those "i2c rom" dumps and theyt are the same
15:11:55B4gderGodEater_: yes, but we think that's just for show over usb
15:12:08GodEater_but doing the check with the R firmware would confirm it
15:12:19B4gderyes
15:12:34*GodEater_ wills the e200R owners out there to grow some balls :)
15:13:21scorchewell, if someone hasnt by tomorrow when i wake up, i might just go get one...
15:13:27linuxstbJdGordon: IIUC, the bootloader waits up to 1.25 seconds to see if there's a usb connection? I was just suggesting to make that delay shorter to speed up booting.
15:13:37B4gderwe're now actually quite sure this is the case
15:13:45B4gderand it makes perfect sense to me
15:14:04*GodEater_ would still like to see it confirmed
15:14:06JdGordonlinuxstb: possibly, but really its not noticable.. comapred with how long the OF actually takes to boot
15:14:27linuxstbJdGordon: I'm talking about normal booting without usb inserted.
15:14:39scorcheB4gder: in case i do, what does "get the BL.rom image from ... " refer to?
15:14:49tumuvery fast boot would allow using power button as quick standby button
15:14:54B4gderah, I forgot to fill in the URL
15:14:59JdGordonoh!
15:15:04*JdGordon half drunk and 3/4 asleep :p
15:15:11scorchewhats new?
15:15:19JdGordon:D
15:15:33*linuxstb instructs JdGordon to drink coffee
15:16:03*JdGordon ates coffee
15:16:13JdGordonand having it right before bed time isnt a good idea
15:16:18scorcheno no...you drink it...not eat it
15:16:19JdGordons/ates/hates
15:16:44linuxstbOK, have a cup of tea instead...
15:16:58*JdGordon has an idea to unKISS the pp bootloader to make the usb detection not block at all
15:17:18scorcheunKISS?
15:17:24krazykitkeep it simple stupid?
15:17:25*scorche steps back and waits for the barrage
15:18:00tumuone could begin to load rockbox fw and throw it away if usb is detected
15:18:16linuxstbOne could implement USB mode in Rockbox...
15:18:59linuxstbDoes the Sansa come with a proper charger, or does it only charge via USB?
15:19:01JdGordontumu: thats pretty much what I was thinking,.. but yeah, hopefully we wil have usb in rockbox soon
15:19:06JdGordononly usb
15:19:08tumuvia usb
15:19:19JdGordonbut usb wall chargers work
15:20:03tumuJdGordon, same could be done for OF triggering
15:20:12linuxstbA simpler check would be to just check for USB power - that can be done instantly, but of course means that booting with a USB wall charger would launch the OF
15:20:42JdGordonlinuxstb: thats OK imho, charging in the OF is much faster than in rockbox (unless that was fixed...)
15:21:53linuxstbYou could try "if (UDC_OTGSC & 0x800) { btn |= BOOTLOADER_BOOT_OF; }"
15:21:56JdGordon... or, could we only check for usb if there is usb power?
15:22:14linuxstbYes, you could do that.
15:22:30tumuduh
15:24:21JdGordonanyone care to test this out? the OF freezes when I try booting it unless i delete all my music first :(
15:24:57linuxstbSo you're currently without USB mode and the ability to update Rockbox?
15:25:12GodEater_sounds like that forum post from this morning...
15:25:17B4gderindeed
15:26:24delYsidwhat keys does the simulator use on the keyboard?
15:26:33delYsidI'd like to test chessbox with the simulator
15:26:38linuxstbRun the sim with "−−background" (I think) to see them
15:26:58delYsidwell, I am blind :-)
15:27:11linuxstbOops... Which sim are you using?
15:27:33delYsidwhich sim? I simulate a sansa e200
15:27:44JdGordonlinuxstb: yes and no.. i deleted my music this moring to do the test for you before reloading it all.. and i have a microsd card to update rockbox so its not really a big deal
15:28:10linuxstbdelYsid: There are some keymaps in the wiki - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator The Sansa isn't included, but they should be similar to the other devices.
15:28:11tumuquick, someone break microsd support :)
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15:28:23*JdGordon wonders if we can make a bootloader updater plugin
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15:28:39*linuxstb points JdGordon to the sansapatcher source - it shouldn't be too hard
15:28:56JdGordonmaybe something for the weekend
15:31:02oboJdGordon: do you have it set to resume the last screen?
15:31:26oboJdGordon: ignore me, misread :(
15:32:41B4gder"I already felt invincible back in March so I just took the leap" / MrH
15:32:50B4gderthere you are ;-)
15:33:47B4gderthis just might make his ego a little too big ;-)
15:33:48JdGordonlinuxstb: good call... boots 1 sec faster now :)
15:34:16JdGordonand usb detection still works
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15:35:19delYsidbtw, I have talk support in plugins working here.
15:35:44GodEater_delYsid: Nice :)
15:35:45rasherdelYsid: Where are the additional clips located?
15:35:48delYsidI only had to add the function pointers to plugin_api and frob genlang a bit to factor out the enum into a separate header
15:36:03delYsidrasher: in the standard voice file for now.
15:36:10rasherOuch
15:36:13JdGordonand ID2P and str() macros?
15:36:27B4gderit could be within the same file, it would just need a smarter loader...
15:36:53delYsidJdGordon: They are not exported to plugins yet, I only needed the IDs for talk_id and friends
15:37:34delYsidrasher: I know thats not optimal, but I had to start somewhere :)
15:37:53rasherYes, of course
15:38:03rasherHow about the strings? (for translations)
15:38:37delYsidwell, strings are not directly available since lang.o is not linked to the plugins.
15:38:50delYsidbut I was thinking to put the pointer to the strings array into plugin_api...
15:39:24JdGordonlinuxstb: can you add the (UDC_OTGSC & 0x800) into the while() in main-pp.c when you next update your patch? or should that get added seperatly?
15:39:43delYsidbtw, can anyone tell me why the plugins submenu items are not spoken? I can hear "Games" and "Applications" and "Demos" but no subitems.
15:39:58JdGordonbecause the subitmes are files
15:40:04JdGordonnot special names like the group names
15:40:09rasherdelYsid: I believe it should be spelled, if you have that turned on
15:40:26delYsidah, not changed any settings yyet.
15:40:39delYsidso, back to figuring my keymap out
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16:01:37JdGordongniote all
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16:38:37O112358hmm, is there any way to check what new things have been implemented between rockbox releases?
16:38:56chrisjs169I'm going to talk on here instead of the community channel, since it's logged
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16:39:03linuxstbO112358: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
16:39:12chrisjs169As I said in the other channel, I'm willing to risk my Sansa
16:39:18chrisjs169(end intro)
16:39:21B4gderand between releases might not be that interesting ;-)
16:39:37O112358yum!.. i mean between one realease and another
16:39:38chrisjs169What are the exact steps I need to do to get this to (possibly) work?
16:39:56B4gderO112358: well, we haven't done a release in ages that's what I meant
16:40:04chrisjs169Put BOTH the e200R firmware and bootloader on to my e200?
16:40:10B4gderchrisjs169: did you read the plan B steps?
16:40:12chrisjs169and then follow the steps in Plan B?
16:40:15O112358between one version and another?
16:40:23B4gderchrisjs169: you have a plain e200?
16:40:27chrisjs169B4gder, yes
16:40:35B4gderthen it's really not that interesting, imo
16:40:38B4gderwe know that works
16:40:44chrisjs169?
16:40:58B4gderbut feel free to experiment if you feel like it
16:41:19linuxstbB4gder: The full conversion with both R bootloader and R mi4, and then converting back wouldn't tell us anything?
16:41:37B4gderit turns out that was what MrH already did back in march
16:41:42B4gderit would give us something though
16:41:49linuxstbB4gder: How did he convert back?
16:41:49B4gderit could show the fdisk output for example
16:41:53B4gdere200tool
16:41:57chrisjs169so would it be worth-while?
16:42:13B4gderyes, it could be useful
16:42:18chrisjs169ok
16:42:41linuxstbB4gder: Using the "plan B" approach?
16:42:43B4gderchrisjs169: you familiar with the sansa, mi4 and bl details and procedures?
16:43:24B4gderlinuxstb: basically, since the R model BL can't be "upgraded" with a new BL using e200tool is the only way to get back
16:43:33chrisjs169B4gder, I've used e200tool plenty of times, and am familiar with mi4 and the bl (somewhat)
16:43:51B4gderthen may the game start!
16:44:00chrisjs169B4gder, so I need to do a full conversion (place R series bl and firmware on the vanilla) and then the steps in Plan B?
16:44:22B4gderchrisjs169: yes, but focus on making a full => R model convert first
16:44:33linuxstbchrisjs169: First thing to do would be to run fdisk on your current Sansa and keep a record of the current fdisk output.
16:44:36chrisjs169ok
16:44:39B4gderindeed
16:45:12B4gderit would also make sense if you do a careful log of everything you do, for easier later explanations etc
16:45:17chrisjs169ok
16:45:46chrisjs169so do the same thing clutch did on their R series - /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdb ?
16:45:53B4gderyes
16:46:41chrisjs169ok
16:46:51*linuxstb likes -lu - it gives the output in sectors
16:47:36GodEater_provided he does one or the other both times I don't think it matters - just keep it consistent
16:47:45chrisjs169so fdisk -lu?
16:48:27linuxstbYes (or just do both...)
16:48:34chrisjs169ok
16:49:20chrisjs169fdisk -l - http://pastebin.com/f3fc3c399
16:49:53chrisjs169fdisk -lu - http://pastebin.com/f584cc7a0
16:50:00bluebrotherok ... anyone with open issues in rbutil? I'd like to create a new release soon
16:50:13chrisjs169so now I need to put the Rhapsody firmware on?
16:50:27chrisjs169(sorry for repeating any of this)
16:51:08B4gderchrisjs169: you need to put the R model BL there first I think, using the vanilla BL name
16:51:18linuxstbbluebrother: Is it normal for "make install" (for Qt) to carry on doing lots of compiling? My static build finished a while ago, but the "make install" is still going...
16:51:38GodEater_linuxstb: that's when it installs the trojan
16:51:51B4gderchrisjs169: then use its recovery mode to but the R mi4 there
16:51:54delYsidhmm, the simulator is not 64bit clean, right?
16:51:57B4gderto put
16:52:06chrisjs169B4gder, ok
16:52:26B4gderchrisjs169: possibly you can put both the mi4 and the BL there at the same time
16:52:36chrisjs169B4gder, ok
16:52:47linuxstbdelYsid: I believe some things have problems (or at least, did in the past)- e.g. vorbis and MP3 playback.
16:53:00delYsidaha.
16:53:10delYsidbecause here it crashes directly after loading mpa.codec
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16:53:20delYsidit did not on my 32bit box
16:53:26delYsidso I am going to have to chroot then
16:53:49linuxstbOther audio formats should work if you just want to test something.
16:53:50bluebrotherlinuxstb: yes, if you used -fast when configuring. But I figured that out only short ago too
16:54:17linuxstbbluebrother: We need more tips in INSTALL...
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16:54:30delYsidlinuxstb: well, I need mp3 for UI feedback... without voice I cant use it
16:54:43linuxstbbluebrother: But hopefully after what seems like a week of trying, I should get a static rbutilqt compiled soon...
16:54:54bluebrothernice.
16:55:23chrisjs169Both MI4 and rom file placed in Recovery Mode
16:55:26bluebrotherso if there are no objections I'll release 1.0.1 soon.
16:55:43chrisjs169unmounted Sansa
16:55:47bluebrotherhopefully there won't be much new bugs ;-)
16:55:59chrisjs169bootloader and firmware written
16:56:01*GodEater_ crosses fingers
16:56:13*linuxstb prepares to hide
16:56:25B4gderchrisjs169: I'm about to take off within a few minutes. If you need my assistance, I'm back in ~5 hours or post in the forum or something.
16:56:29amiconndelYsid: libmad (our optimised version isn't 64 bit clean)
16:56:32chrisjs169B4gder, ok
16:56:39chrisjs169everyone's leaving =/
16:56:50*GodEater_ isn't leaving
16:56:57chrisjs169ok
16:56:59chrisjs169good :D
16:57:00GodEater_however I'm not a sansa guru, so I won't be much help :)
16:57:02*linuxstb is still here too
16:57:05chrisjs169ok
16:57:06*Soap has popcorn for the show.
16:57:08chrisjs169lol
16:57:15delYsidamiconn: I am trying to build in a 32bit chroot right now
16:57:19*GodEater_ also has popcorn, and throws some at soap
16:57:21linuxstbSoap: Where's the webcam?
16:57:59chrisjs169fdisk -l of Rhapsody
16:58:14linuxstbSo I assume it boots OK?
16:58:17GodEater_baited breath here
16:58:27*B4gder does the drumroll
16:58:29chrisjs169fdisk -lu of rhapsody: http://pastebin.com/f5081282f
16:58:32chrisjs169yes, it booted fine
16:58:43B4gderI love it
16:58:55GodEater_only one partition!
16:59:07B4gderexactly the same size
16:59:24B4gderjust not showing the hidden one
16:59:29chrisjs169ok
16:59:31GodEater_hurrah
16:59:41GodEater_that proves that bit of the theory then
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17:00:03B4gderat least it's another pretty strong hint
17:00:17chrisjs169so now go into manufacturing mode?
17:00:39B4gderyes, if you're done being an R owner you can go plan B
17:00:48chrisjs169lol
17:01:18GodEater_and then go and gloat in the anythingbutipod forum where that chap claims it's very very very impossible to go back again
17:01:19GodEater_:)
17:01:22chrisjs169also, on Ubuntu, the mounted icon on the Desktop says "Sansa e250" - is that normal, or should it say "Sansa e250R"
17:01:33chrisjs169GodEater_, yeah :D
17:01:33B4gderGodEater_: hehe
17:01:54B4gderchrisjs169: hm, that's a very good question.
17:02:16GodEater_lsusb ?
17:02:22B4gdermy dev board said e260R
17:02:31*chrisjs169 just unmounted the Sansa - hold on
17:02:49*GodEater_ grabs his desk
17:03:06chrisjs169Bus 004 Device 057: ID 0781:7441 SanDisk Corp.
17:03:36*chrisjs169 thinks that's different, but doesn't remember
17:03:59chrisjs169is it safe to continue?
17:04:13***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
17:04:17O112358hmm, does anyone know if there are any active irc channels specifically about irivers?
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17:04:52B4gderchrisjs169: sure, proceed
17:04:57B4gdersee ya later
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17:05:04chrisjs169ok
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17:05:49chrisjs169in manufacturing mode (Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0781:0720 SanDisk Corp. )
17:07:33chrisjs169e200tool recover: http://pastebin.com/f5016b9ee
17:07:39chrisjs169In Recovery Mode
17:08:46chrisjs169placed BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl-modified in Recovery mode, and renamed to BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom
17:09:02chrisjs169Unmounted Sansa
17:09:10chrisjs169bootloader written
17:09:29*chrisjs169 forgets to turn off hold...
17:09:31chrisjs169Sansa boots
17:09:43linuxstbSo you now have an R with a patched bootloader?
17:09:47chrisjs169yes
17:09:51chrisjs169and it boots fine
17:10:01GodEater_so you can now boot rockbox too ?
17:10:10chrisjs169let me try
17:10:32*chrisjs169 needs a copy of sansapatcher
17:10:49linuxstbIf your sansa is still showing a single partition, sansapatcher won't recognise it
17:10:49GodEater_rbutilqt ?
17:10:56GodEater_ah
17:11:04linuxstbYou'll need to manually copy the Rockbox bootloader mi4
17:11:29linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4
17:11:37chrisjs169oh, yeah, just noticed that
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17:11:55linuxstbIIRC, you'll need to put that mi4 in the root of your FAT32 partition - in normal USB mode.
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17:12:32chrisjs169linuxstb, yes, that's what I'm doing
17:12:45chrisjs169Unmounted Sansa
17:12:53chrisjs169rebooting
17:12:56polygonalbluebrother: here?
17:13:08chrisjs169booting into OF
17:13:29chrisjs169Firmware upgrade completed
17:13:35chrisjs169rebooting
17:13:53chrisjs169waiting...
17:14:11chrisjs169waiting...
17:14:26polygonalbluebrother: I don't have the qt tools to compile rbutil or anything, but I can fix any untranslated stuffs when I can test the translation out. I don't really get your comment on the tracker though
17:14:28chrisjs169should I reboot?
17:14:34polygonalcan you explain it more?
17:14:52linuxstbchrisjs169: I don't know. What normally happens when you do a firmware upgrade?
17:14:57bluebrotherpolygonal: yes.
17:15:03chrisjs169I haven't firmware upgraded in a while
17:15:08chrisjs169but i don't remember it taking this long
17:15:17*chrisjs169 reboots sansa
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17:15:45chrisjs169Still frozen
17:15:45bluebrotherpolygonal: usually you start translating with a new, empty translation file that the Qt tools generate. That way untranslated strings stay untranslated (and thus show up as english)
17:16:17GodEater_dammit - stop being frozen! We want GLOATAGE!!!
17:16:17chrisjs169Attempting to put Rockbox firmware on via recovery mode
17:16:51O112358argh my new battery fails
17:17:08bluebrotheryou also don't need to compile rbutil to try translations −− you need to have Qt installed though (to get the tools)
17:17:18chrisjs169version.txt is mostly empty
17:18:13chrisjs169version.txt: http://pastebin.com/f67570d3b
17:18:36polygonalbluebrother: well I don't have Qt installed ;) otherwise I will be compiling
17:19:12bluebrotherhehe −− as you like. Using linguist for translating is much nicer imo than some editor.
17:19:34polygonalbut now if I start with an empty translation file, it probably will take some regex wizardry to move my translated string to an empty translation
17:20:10bluebrotheryes. I just wanted to point out that using an empty file would have been easier.
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17:21:16chrisjs169still frozen
17:21:28chrisjs169how about i put the vanilla firmware on and try sansapatcher?
17:21:28polygonalbut it would not for now, isn't it? Can you make a .pm version for me so that I can test my translation out?
17:21:38GodEater_chrisjs169: can't hurt
17:21:39bluebrothersure.
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17:22:47chrisjs169putting vanilla firmware on via Recovery mode
17:22:58bluebrotherpolygonal: look here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/
17:23:03*O112358 cries
17:23:04polygonaland also explain more about what you changed in the language selection thingy - don't understand your comment in flyspray
17:23:11GodEater_chrisjs169: so you've still got the R bootloader on ?
17:23:15chrisjs169unmounted
17:23:19bluebrotherI renamed the files according to rasher's suggestion (due to the issues I had first)
17:23:23chrisjs169yes,, the R bl is still on
17:23:44chrisjs169load main img failed
17:24:01bluebrotherpreviously the selection just showed the name. So the german translation f.e. showed up as "Deutsch".
17:24:05GodEater_that would be as expected - since the signature is different
17:24:17bluebrothernow it also includes the language code −− i.e. it gets "Deutsch (de)"
17:24:20GodEater_chrisjs169: Think you'll have to put the vanilla bootloader back on with e200tool
17:24:27chrisjs169GodEater_, ok
17:24:54bluebrotherwith "de" being the language code extracted from the filename. So I can distinguish between Chinese and Chinese ;-)
17:25:32chrisjs169GodEater_, so I guess this isn't really what we wanted?
17:25:50linuxstbbluebrother: My "make install" is still compiling away... I didn't use -fast with configure (I used all your Linux options, plus my extra macx options), then did "make sub-src", then su, then "make install".
17:26:04GodEater_chrisjs169: it's *less* ideal - but if this same process is possible for R owners, then we know they can at least run rockbox
17:26:12GodEater_chrisjs169: it'll just be more of a pain to do the install
17:26:26chrisjs169ok
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17:27:09chrisjs169well, i'm back to my e200
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17:27:46linuxstbSo to summarise, installing the Rockbox bootloader mi4 on a Sansa containing the patched R bootloader and R mi4 failed?
17:28:17chrisjs169yes
17:28:48chrisjs169IMO, it didn't exactly fail, but something did prevent it from booting
17:28:52chrisjs169though it didn't say main img failed
17:29:16GodEater_what's patched in the R bootloader you tried ?
17:29:30chrisjs169I dunno - I just used the one from plan b
17:29:38linuxstbI believe the patch was to remove the signature check.
17:29:57GodEater_right
17:30:17GodEater_so it still booted the sansa R firmware
17:30:26GodEater_it just wouldn't boot rockbox ?
17:30:26chrisjs169yes
17:30:58GodEater_hmm
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17:31:20polygonalbluebrother: just one or two french strings I spotted, not so bad ;)
17:31:34GodEater_hanging is an odd thing for it to do though
17:31:35polygonalI wonder if the font in general can be made bigger though
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17:31:46polygonalit's a little hard to read the chinese there
17:32:12GodEater_chrisjs169: you can at least gloat a little in the anythingbutipod thread though
17:32:24GodEater_you got yours back to vanilla e200 properly ;)
17:32:44linuxstbGodEater_: But that's "impossible" ;)
17:32:50GodEater_unpossible!
17:33:02GodEater_not just impossible - it's very very very impossible
17:33:09linuxstb;)
17:33:16Soapthat's akin to gloating about knowing your times tables to a kindergarden class.
17:33:17bluebrotherdoesn't it follow the font size of the OS?
17:33:18kugelsup?
17:33:22chrisjs169yeah :D
17:33:40GodEater_chrisjs169: seriously - go post a guide for those guys to rescue their e200's and bring them back to the rockbox light ;)
17:34:07chrisjs169GodEater_, ok ;)
17:34:17The-CompilerAre there some details about the encryption on the iPod Nano 2G (or is there another reason why Rockbox, iPodLinux, iPodWizard, Gopod, etc. do not work?)?
17:34:21linuxstbI wonder if the R firmware was fully functional - i.e. could they buy music from Rhapsody?
17:34:25chrisjs169I have to leave in a few minutes, but probably won't be gone for more than an hour or two
17:34:36chrisjs169I have a rhapsody ...
17:34:42chrisjs169g2g, bbl
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17:35:38linuxstbThe-Compiler: Not that anyone has mentioned here.
17:36:11linuxstbThe-Compiler: I assume you know about this site? http://www.linux4nano.org/ (I don't know if anything useful is there though)
17:36:27GodEater_there is another reason as well - we also know next to nothing about the hardware in it
17:37:03Soapthere are things we know we know, things we know we don't know, and things we don't know we don't know.
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17:37:40linuxstbGodEater_: A minor inconvenience...
17:37:42polygonalbluebrother: I don't know... maybe... but some charaters are bigger than other though
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17:39:31polygonalbut if it follows the system font, etc, than it should be ok - my computer is not really optimized for chinese programs ;)
17:39:45*bluebrother reads about the new features of VirtualBox. Cool :)
17:40:33BigMacHey, why am I getting permission errors on all folders in my ~/rockbox directory
17:40:34kugeli use vbox
17:40:52GodEater_BigMac: you removed your own write permissions ?
17:41:00linuxstbBigMac: Because you did things in there as root, and are now trying as a normal user?
17:41:06bluebrotherseamless windows support is really nice
17:41:12BigMacBoth are possible
17:41:20BigMacanyway I can fix this?
17:41:32kugela new version, cool thing
17:41:42BigMacnever happened before to me, but I am on a new distro so who knows
17:41:58linuxstbI would first try "su" followed by "chown -R user.group rockbox" where user.group are the normal user and group for your files - do "ls -l" to see what that it.
17:42:02linuxstb^is.
17:42:39GodEater_user.group ? I always use user:group
17:43:03linuxstbI _think_ I always use user.group...
17:43:28GodEater_the man page says use :
17:43:55linuxstbI know - I just read that. But . works...
17:44:04GodEater_ok
17:44:10*GodEater_ goes to the gym
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17:45:47BigMaclinuxstb: Should I be chwoning from home, because why would I specify rockbox from in the folder
17:46:40kugelbluebrother: are you familiar with vbox?
17:47:46BigMaclinuxstb: Got it thanks
17:49:03bluebrotherkugel: I'm using it for building the w32 binary of rbutil
17:49:16*bluebrother leaves for a short reboot. bbl.
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17:57:17O112358hmm.. is there a chance that a battery could be so run down that the mains charger can't charge it properly?
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17:59:11delYsidO112358: There are devices that refuse to charge on very low batteries, I had a braille display for testing three weeks ago that did that.
17:59:29SoapFirst - as for the generic question "can a LiIon battery be drained to the point it is no longer chargeable?" - the answer is yes. That being said, I was under the impression that the actual device hardware would prevent such an occurance from happening under normal conditions. I myself have discharged my iPod to the dead-battery-shutdown-point dozens of times.
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18:01:13SoapWhile I can not believe this has been good for my battery - it still charges. That being said there are numerous posts (both in the Rockbox forums, and in Apple related forums) by people who apparently had to connect their iPod to a "mains" charger for extended periods of time before regaining responsiveness.
18:04:06O112358hmm.. well the problem was with a brand new li-ion battery that i bought for my h300 iriver..
18:04:31O112358i checked the voltage and got about 1/2 a volt coming from it
18:05:07polygonalbluebrother: I updated the translations on the trackder. They do not have the xml header though (I got the copies of them from your website), I hope it's still fine?
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18:05:31O112358i then tried plugging in the usb cable to see if it would charge better from that and suddenly the player could run from the battery.. so the short time that the usb cable was in must have boosted the voltage a lot
18:05:33SoapThat is a very troubling sign. The fact it is a brand new battery should have little influence over you thinking. There are many reports of sub-quality and plain old conterfit batteries flooding the brown-market.
18:05:54bluebrotherpolygonal: I think the header is not required. I'll check them later
18:06:07O112358it is a cameron sino battery
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18:06:34SoapOOPS - you replied before I got my long sentance out. The fact your battery was only showing 0.5 volts is what I was refering to as a very troubling sign.
18:06:45O112358yeah
18:06:58polygonalokay! gone for lunch...
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18:07:25O112358there's a chance i'm testing the voltage from the wrong place.. but i'm worried that i might short circuit the battery
18:07:30SoapAgain - don't put so much faith in the brand of battery you think you own. It appears there are lots of fakes running around.
18:07:58O112358but the packaging is shiny.. it's can't be fake :D
18:08:05O112358*it
18:09:20O112358well.. the fact that it started working when i plugged it into my computer using usb makes me think that there might be a problem with the charging of my player
18:09:32SoapWell, if you got it from the source - I would guess you have good reason to have high-confidence it isn't fake. ;)
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18:10:25O112358i got this error when my player suddenly went into rockbox "ATA error: -11, insert usb cable and press a button" that would be because the hard disk is unplugged right?
18:10:38kugel__how long does it take until the nicks are removed after a internet disc?
18:11:19kugel__kugel and kugel_ are still there......
18:11:26bluebrotherkugel__: if you are registered with nickserv you can kill them
18:11:33kugel__i am
18:11:35kugel__how?
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18:11:49bluebrother /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password> iirc
18:11:52Soap /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pasword?
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18:12:27kugelhmm
18:12:44kugeljust in time
18:12:51kugelit times out
18:13:55O112358Soap: hmm, so i'm getting just under 4 volts from the battery now.. which seems like a good sign
18:14:19O112358but in iriver firmware is shows and 3 bars (full) battery
18:14:50O112358would it be helpful to connect the HD and boot into rockbox to observe the battery while it's charging/discharging?
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18:15:12O112358would original firmware not be able to cope with the higher capacity battery?
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18:16:33Soapindeed. I was under the impression that 0.5 volts was below the deep-discharge threshold from which a LiIon was unrecoverable. A newer battery of higher capacity should be transparent to the original firmware.
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18:24:26SoapAccording to Gold Peak Industries' Li-ion handbook, discharge below 2.0V/cell can cause damage to the battery.
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18:25:38xDragonforce16xcan someone help me out real quick?
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18:26:04xDragonforce16xim having trouble getting rockbox to recognize my wma songs
18:26:07`sam`i'm sort of slow
18:26:25xDragonforce16xit only reads my mp3's
18:26:38`sam`i think there was some new stuff put in for wma recently
18:26:43`sam`how old is your build?
18:26:46xDragonforce16xoh i have it on my iRiver h10
18:26:50xDragonforce16xumm
18:26:52SoapxDragonforce16x: Are you using the file browser, or are you trying to index your .wma files in the database?
18:26:52xDragonforce16xim not sure
18:26:58xDragonforce16xi havent updated it in a while
18:27:21SoapxDragonforce16x: The you need to update to the current build. There is no support avaliable for anything less than the current build.
18:27:22xDragonforce16xummm i was trying to index them in the database
18:27:52xDragonforce16xok thanks for the help i will try that, brb
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18:29:49kkurbjunhey eigma
18:31:32O112358okay.. seems like good news, i'm in rockbox now and my battery is charging
18:31:47O112358is it best to fully charge it then fully discharge it?
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18:33:05O112358is it normal for the first charge to be quite quick?
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18:34:08SoapThe typical Li-Ion charging curve is 80% in X mins and the remaining 20% in the next X mins.
18:34:12n1sO112358: Li-ion batteries like best to not be fully discharged nor fully charged
18:34:33n1sat least not stored as fully charged
18:34:47O112358does that mean it's fast up to 80% then slows down?
18:35:38Soapyes
18:35:40O112358and how do i know when to stop charging on my first charge of the battery? i'm in rockbox now so i can view the battery in >info
18:36:20O112358wouldn't be good to stunt the life expectancy of my battery as soon as i get it
18:36:37SoapThere is no reason not to let the hardware handle charging. LiIon has no memory effect - so there is no harm in doing partial charges, and with hardware-controlled charging there should be no danger of overcharging.
18:36:53O112358oh brilliant
18:37:01O112358and over discharging?
18:37:08O112358it should switch off at a save level right?
18:37:12n1syeps
18:37:14O112358*safe
18:37:41n1sbut always discharging it as much as possible may degrade performance a bit faster
18:37:44SoapAssuming a smart battery pack (with PCB) or a smart piece of hardware - deep discharging of the battery should not be possible.
18:37:48O112358so the best thing to do would be to do a full charge and then a full discharge then?
18:38:08n1sO112358: no you should charge "early and often"
18:38:10O112358*h300 with rockbox*
18:38:33O112358so no need to do some cycles before i start using it?
18:38:55O112358it says on the battery that it should be fully charged before use
18:39:11SoapEverything I have read suggests that the largest cause of degraded capacity in LiIon cells is exposure to heat. The second leading cause is storage @ full charge. Combining the two (exposure to heat while fully charged) can permantly decrease capacity dramaticly in a short amount of time.
18:39:44O112358well.. i'm in england so not going to be getting too hot :D
18:39:50markunO112358: a lot of info about batteries: http://batteryuniversity.com/
18:40:36O112358nice link
18:42:12amiconnSoap: Yes, but storing them empty is even worse than full. Around half charge is best
18:42:22O112358that's good to know
18:42:42Soaptouche
18:43:20O112358let's just hope i don't get an iriver full of fruity smelling battery juice like last time
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18:46:04n1shmm, it seems like gcc 4.2.1 doesn't like our sims...
18:46:07n1sobo?
18:46:51O112358is there any reason not to use your mp3 player while doing the first charge?
18:47:01kugeli have no probs with gcc 4.2.1
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18:47:21kugeldo you have a li-ion battery?
18:47:28n1skugel: no warnings when building a swcodec sim?
18:48:02kugelehm
18:48:04EbertI have a problem of my Gigabeat not keeping time, is this because of a dead battery?
18:48:13kugeli just build sansa sims, without warnings
18:48:16chrisjs169back
18:48:24kugelwb
18:48:31chrisjs169thanks
18:48:35n1skugel: could you try a nano sim?
18:48:49kugelhmm sure
18:48:56n1salthough it shouldn't make a big difference...
18:49:09markunEbert: do you ever use the battery switch on the bottom?
18:49:29Ebertmarkun, i almost always have it to the left
18:49:36Ebertwhat does this do anyhow? i don't know
18:49:56Eberton "battery on" position
18:50:03delYsidCould any dev guy please look at http://delysid.org/patches/rockbox-talking_chessbox.patch and tell me what I absolutely need to change to attempt inclusion?
18:50:05markunit cuts off the power to the Gigabeat, also resetting the clock
18:50:14SoapSwitching it does a full disconnect of the battery, removing power from the RTC as well as everything else.
18:50:15O112358kugel: yes I do
18:50:31Ebertoh no markun, the clock is resetting with the switch always on battery
18:50:38markunSoap: beat you :P
18:50:51kugelli-ion batteries are pretty undestroyable in terms of loading
18:50:59O112358nice
18:51:21kugeliirc they just can be damaged when they are stored wrongly (like empty or in extrem heat)
18:51:55markunkugel: or if you discharge them too much
18:51:56Ebertalso, after initial commit of the id3 database, when i start it up it says "database not ready" even though everything seems to be there
18:52:02kugelor when you have it full and are using with the ppower supply
18:52:03markun(and then try to charge them again)
18:52:33O112358you mean having it plugged in while at full capacity?
18:52:46Eberti guess this is just a load message. (im new to the gigabeat software, used ipod before)
18:52:52chrisjs169does anyone need me to do more testing with the R series?
18:52:56chrisjs169(e200R(
18:53:03Soapkugel: If you discharge a LiIon battery fast enough you can quite easily overheat it. Maximum safe discharge rate would be a function of the anode and cathode surface areas, and thus its internal resistance.
18:53:28O112358that wouldn't happen through normal use though would it?
18:54:05kugelnobody wantds to discharge a li-ion
18:54:25bluebrotherBagder: around? I updated the rbutil binaries to 1.0.1 −− http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/
18:54:36SoapO112358: If the battery pack is designed for the application it is being used in, that should not be an issue. You would not want to use your iRiver battery pack in a remote controled airplane, though, as the discharge rate would likely be too high - even if the total capacity is sufficient for your application.
18:54:37kugelbecause there is absolutely no use of discharging it
18:54:58O112358soap: i wont try that then :D
18:55:23SoapBut this is too far offtopic, and I am sorry for my part in doing so.
18:56:31Ebertmarkun, could the time thing be a memory allocation problem?
18:56:44O112358well, hurray, my h320 beast is back in action \o/
18:56:59markunEbert: I doubt it
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18:57:57O112358v060917, i wonder how old that is
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18:58:06kugelO112358: You just need to know: You can charge a li-ion at any state of charge
18:58:29O112358kugel: yeah, pretty useful
18:58:35SoapO112358: 2006-09-17
18:58:53Soapolder than Moses
18:58:59O112358wow, my iriver has been out of action for that long? :<
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19:00:21Eberthow old are the gigabeat f series?
19:00:24O112358i just delete my rockbox folder and replace it with a new build right?
19:00:51Ebertzip it onto your folder, so you dont lose the wps and all
19:00:58chrisjs169also, someone with Wiki access may want to change plan b for the e200R
19:01:46kugelhasn't everyone wiki access?
19:01:58O112358i'd rather have a fresh install.. i never really fiddled much ^^
19:02:25kugelyou should keep backdrops, wps, font, themes and icons
19:02:30chrisjs169kugel, write access
19:02:35kugelahh
19:02:37kugelhehe
19:02:44chrisjs169lol
19:03:54*chrisjs169 just went back to the E200R for no reason
19:04:09O112358what is rockbox.iriver?
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19:04:18O112358can i delete it?
19:04:55bluebrotherno
19:04:55n1sO112358: that IS rockbox :-D
19:05:05bluebrotherit's the main file for Rockbox on iriver players
19:05:27bluebrotherwell, you can delete it. It's just that Rockbox won't work without it anymore ;-)
19:05:31webguest65what is the mac terminal code for extracting a freshly restored windows pc 3G ipod?
19:05:42n1sO112358: unless you have it in the root of you player, then you should delete it as it's old
19:05:44webguest653G partition table?
19:05:57bluebrotherwebguest65: what exactly do you want to do? Save the boot record?
19:05:59pixelmaO112358: if that file is in the root of your player from your old install you have to delete it
19:06:08n1swebguest65: linuxstb told you before
19:06:25bluebrotherno experience about mac but I guess you can use dd on the mac too
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19:06:31webguest65i know but i've misplaced the code...
19:06:57webguest65and i finally got it windows formatted, and want to extract the partition table to give to you all...
19:06:58linuxstb_This channel is logged - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt
19:07:02O112358in my root folder i have the rockbox folder and the rockbox.iriver file and i want to put the latest build on it and don't want to keep any settings etc.. so i delete both and unzip into the root right?
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19:07:31webguest65thank you...
19:07:41linuxstb_webguest65: If your ipod is /dev/disk1, you want to type "dd if=/dev/disk1 of=mbr-3g-10gb.bin count=1"
19:07:46*chrisjs169|windo has the R firmware/bootloader on windows now
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19:09:06chrisjs169|winXPwhen I plugged the R in, windows identified it as an e250R, but the drive name is Sansa e250. Since that can be changed, I feel it's probably not a big deal - since I didn't format the Sansa first, it's probably using the settings from the OF
19:09:18n1sO112358: yep
19:09:28linuxstb_chrisjs169: You have a "real" R as well?
19:09:48O112358and then i have do a little thing in the original firmware so it can boot into rockbox right?
19:09:54chrisjs169|winXPlinuxstb_: oh, sorry about that - no, I'm using an e200 (non R) with the R bl/firmware as I did before
19:10:25kugelrockbox doesnt run on that faked Rs, does it?
19:10:25chrisjs169|winXPtesting everything
19:10:38chrisjs169|winXPkugel: it doesn't run on the fake or real Rs at the moment
19:10:57amiconnrasher: around?
19:11:34linuxstb_chrisjs169|winXP: OK. Your forum post made it sound like you converted a real R...
19:11:51chrisjs169|winXPlinuxstb_: sorry - changing it now
19:11:56preglowmy oh my, visual basic is ugly
19:12:21webguest65how do i tell if it is /dev/disk1?
19:12:28linuxstb_ipodpatcher will tell you
19:12:38webguest65ok...
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19:13:23webguest65can i just check for that info without ipodpatcher updating the firmware yet?
19:13:55O112358what do i do once i've extracted rockbox? do i have to open something in the original iriver firmware?
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19:14:07O112358to creat the rockbox.iriver file?
19:14:13amiconnpreglow: ?
19:14:14O112358*create
19:14:34chrisjs169|winXPlinuxstb_: I think I originally was planning to say converted the e200 to and R and back, and must have gotten distracted or something - I fixed it though
19:14:54webguest65and do i need to unmount the ipod first with disk utility?
19:16:20O112358how do you create the rockbox.iriver file?
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19:17:09preglowanything new on the state of usb?
19:17:58pixelmaO112358: why create? If you unzip the build to your player, you'll have it (inside the .rockbox folder which is the correct place now)
19:17:59O112358omg.. rockbox looks so new and different :O
19:18:15linuxstb_webguest65: I'm not sure - you could try without unmounting first. And no, there is no need to install - just run ipodpatcher and then enter "c" to cancel.
19:18:18O112358pixelma: okay.. i'm still thinking old rockbox ^^
19:18:27webguest65unmounted ipod using disk utility and ran ipodpatcher to reaveal /dev/disk2
19:18:48webguest65do i just change the terminal code accordingly?
19:19:06amiconnLear: There is a whole bunch of warnings when the sim is compiled with host gcc 4.2.x ...
19:19:58linuxstb_webguest65: Yes.
19:20:17webguest65what is the count=1 for?
19:20:41webguest65terminal response: dd: unknown operand of
19:21:41linuxstb_count=1 means to copy 1 sector.
19:22:46webguest65so close...
19:22:58linuxstb_webguest65: You need to type the command _exactly_ as I did. I spaces where I put spaces, and no spaces where I didn't.
19:23:21Learamiconn: Yes, for stuff I didn't touch. But most of those can be disabled with an option...
19:25:16webguest65my bad, left out =, ran it ok... where does it save the partition?
19:25:17Genre9mp3Speaking of gcc... do we now use the latest version for Coldfire targets?
19:25:37LearAnd I think the same will happen when compiling for target. -Wno-override-init should remove it. (It did for a 4.3 snapshot I tested.)
19:25:58LearGenre9mp3: No, still 3.4.6.
19:26:08webguest65just says: 1+0 records in, 1+0 records out, 512 bytes transferred in 0.004223 secs (121238 bytes/sec)
19:26:09linuxstb_webguest65: In the current folder. Probably your home folder.
19:26:18webguest65checking...
19:26:38Genre9mp3Lear: Why's that?
19:26:42webguest65got it. do you want the file?
19:27:05linuxstb_Sure. Can you upload it somewhere?
19:27:22LearGenre9mp3: Smaller/faster code. 4.3 might be better, but it isn't released yet.
19:27:41webguest65sure.
19:28:08webguest65do you have public ftp or email?
19:28:16webguest65file is 4k.
19:28:40Genre9mp3Lear: 4.2.x+ now support Coldfire, right?
19:28:48linuxstb_webguest65: Sure, email it to linuxstb at users.sourceforge.net
19:29:18LearGenre9mp3: 4.0/4.1 does too. But 4.3 will get improved support.
19:30:24Genre9mp3I thought there was a problem with 4.0/4.1 and Coldfire which forced us to use 3.4.6
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19:31:10LearNo, they both work. Not as good code though.
19:31:23webguest65sent...
19:31:28Genre9mp3ok
19:31:49webguest65hopefully you can add it to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
19:32:10kugelwhat is the main reason not to use 4.2.x?
19:32:11webguest65now just run the ipodpatcher?
19:33:34webguest65stepping out for a few min...
19:34:28Genre9mp3According to this: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/changes.html#m68k , 4.3 will have some good optimisations regarding Coldfire
19:35:04kugelis someone willing to answer my question?
19:36:13Lloreankugel: 1) Have some patience. 2) They just discussed why we're using 3.4.6. Obviously given the reasons given there, someone would simply need to show that 4.2.x produces better output, I assume. So the reason not to do it would be "It doesn't" or "nobody's showed that it does yet"
19:36:20LloreanWhat would be the reason *not* to use 3.4.6?
19:36:29Genre9mp3kugel: Lear said a few lines above that it 3.4.6 provides smaller & faster code... that is the reason for not using the latest version
19:37:29kugelso its better to use 3.4.6 for building my sansa build?
19:38:11Lloreankugel: No, they're talking about Coldfire.
19:38:13kugelbtw lear talked about 4.0/4.1
19:38:33Lloreankugel: It's better to use exactly the version number that rockboxdev.sh downloads (or that comes with the vmware image)
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19:38:48amiconnGenre9mp3: According to my tests this isn't really the case
19:39:06kugelok thanks
19:39:11chrisjs169|winXPanother thing i noticed - in Rhapsody, it says 20.4 MB is used right after formatting, though Windows says 440KB
19:39:28amiconn4.0.3 for m68k produces about equally fast code for most codecs (well, those I can test). Wavpack becomes significantly faster
19:39:40kugelsounds like rhapsody adds this hidden partiton
19:39:42chrisjs169|winXPnot sure if there's anything important there..
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19:39:53Genre9mp3amiconn: oh?
19:40:29amiconnI guess it's just laziness that we didn't switch yet, although it might be a good idea to use the same version for all architectures
19:40:39chrisjs169|winXPbut wouldn't/couldn't it mean that it's possible to access the R hidden partition?
19:40:57amiconn4.1.x has problems at least on arm afaik (rockbox running unstable)
19:41:15kugelare you sure?
19:42:04kugelthat could be the reason for that i have problems with so many patches (im using 4.2.1 though)
19:42:17kugelbut in general it isnt running unstable
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19:42:35Lloreankugel: Are you using arm-elf-gcc 4.2? Why did you not follow the Rockbox development instructions?
19:42:37amiconnThese instabilities are most probably quirks in the rockbox code
19:43:03Lloreankugel: Your arm-elf-gcc version is unlikely to be the same as your main gcc's version.
19:43:05kugelbecause i was new to linux and had problems installing any packages
19:43:16Lloreanthere are no packages associated with Rockbox.
19:43:17kugelmy internet didnt work properly
19:43:37Genre9mp3amiconn: Maybe this isn't the case with 4.2.x though?
19:43:39Migit109hey people, im new here so dont mind me(sorry for interupting)
19:43:43kugeli could access it with firefox, but not with the terminal
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19:44:19kugelso i used a package i found in the internet
19:44:22Lloreankugel: So when you type arm-elf-gcc −−version it reports 4.2.1? Again though, why didn't you simply download older GCC source, as per the instructions?
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19:44:34amiconnGenre9mp3: My tests quite some time ago showed an ~10% drop in wavpack boost ratio iirc
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19:45:22Migit109quick question is the battery life on rockbox on a 5.5gen 80gig lower than other file formats
19:45:32kugeloh well, it says 4.0.3, i was sure i had 4.2.1
19:45:37Genre9mp3amiconn: sounds promising
19:46:00LloreanMigit109: "other file formats"?
19:46:05advcomp2019chrisjs169|winXP: one thing that is true with the r version is that they can play rax and aac files
19:46:06amiconnAll other codecs performed about the same (+/- 1% boost ratio)
19:46:07krazykitMigit109, file formats? rockbox has a lower battery life than the original firmware.
19:46:31Migit109like compared to .mp3, and .wav and such
19:46:56LloreanMigit109: What *exactly* are you asking? Rockbox isn't a file format.
19:47:06Genre9mp3amiconn: In gcc homepage there's an interesting Coldfire update in the frontpage (News section)
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19:47:38Migit109im just asking if listing to a .flac audio file will use up more battery than while listining to a .mp3
19:47:42chrisjs169|winXPadvcomp2019: I can't test that because Rhapsody won't license the Sansa
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19:48:16advcomp2019you can test aac files tho
19:48:31chrisjs169|winXPAAC being M4a?
19:48:37advcomp2019yea
19:48:47chrisjs169|winXPthey work on the non-R too
19:48:55LloreanMigit109: Well you never mentioned flac before this. Yes flac will probably get worse battery life because the files are bigger and the disk must spin more
19:49:06kugelLlorean: the wiki recommends 4.0.3
19:49:41Lloreankugel: Yes, for arm. They were talking about coldfire. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me.
19:50:37kugeli said earlier that i use sansa, however you told me i have done something wrong
19:50:39amiconnLlorean: I would expect flac and mp3 to be about equal in battery consumption on PP
19:50:55GodEaterkugel: sansa = arm
19:50:59amiconnYes, flac needs to be rebuffered more often, but needs significantly less decoding performance
19:51:03kugellol
19:51:05kugeli know
19:51:13Lloreankugel: No, I told you earlier that 4.2 was wrong.
19:51:21Lloreankugel: Read carefully through what I said to you earlier.
19:51:45kugelokok
19:51:47kugelyou are right
19:51:55Migit109Llorean, sorry about that i was spacing out, thanks for the anwser
19:52:08n1samiconn: re: newer gcc for coldfire, I tested 4.1.2, Tremor got significantly slower, some codecs wouldn't link because of IRAM sections being full, gcc 4.2.0, same linker problems, crashed on startup, gcc 4.3 snapshot from june about the same result as 4.2.0
19:52:31amiconnI didn't talk about 4.1.x but about 4.0.3
19:52:44amiconnAnd Tremor didn't become slower with that
19:53:10amiconn4.0.3 is what we use for arm and sh1 as well
19:53:20n1samiconn: I know, just wanted to share my results
19:53:28n1sdidn't test 4.0.x myself
19:53:32amiconnAnd since 4.1.x makes rockbox unstable on arm, I would expect the same on other archs (also with 4.2.x)
19:54:01amiconnThat needs some digging and fixing before we can switch (if we want to)
19:54:17n1sthe build with 4.1.x was no more unstable than the regular when i tested it for a few hours
19:54:58kugeljack
19:55:06n1sIMO we should wait for 4.3.0 final and see if that brings some benefit, if not switch coldfire to 4.0.x if it's not too much trouble
19:55:39`sam` will rockbox work on sandisk sansa m230? a friend has one and i was telling her about rockbox
19:55:51alienbiker99no
19:56:09`sam`ok, all i saw was e200, so i figured it might not, but decided to ask
19:56:13kugelmake a port^^
19:56:19n1s4.3 will enter "stage 3" in about a week so it should reach final late this year or early 08
19:56:30delYsidAnyone got time to review my talk_api_for_plugins+chessbox patch?
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20:00:20LloreandelYsid: Is it on the tracker?
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20:08:22delYsidLlorean: http://delysid.org/patches/rockbox-talking_chessbox.patch
20:08:39delYsidI havent submitted it to the tracker yet since I guess it is not acceptable the way it is right now.
20:08:43delYsidbut it works like a charm!
20:09:53kugelLlorean: nevermind that
20:12:28GodEaterdelYsid: pretty much everything is acceptable on the tracker
20:12:44GodEaterit's why we have it
20:12:50GodEaterwe're just fussy about svn :)
20:13:05LloreanAs long as the final intent is to have it included, you should put it on the tracker so that other people can contribute and help make it "acceptable" too.
20:13:16GodEaterchrisjs169: you here?
20:13:38chrisjs169GodEater, yup
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20:13:52GodEaterdo I understand you to say you have not got wiki write access ?
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20:14:04delYsidLlorean: I guess the need to use a webinterface is putting me kinda off :-)
20:14:06evil_hi all
20:14:13delYsidbut I'll submit it to the tracker for sure.
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20:14:27delYsidjust wanted to solicit some early feedback from the knowledgeable guys :-)
20:14:29evil_im again, but i want to ask about non-rockbox question
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20:14:43chrisjs169GodEater, I currently do not have wiki write access - I haven't needed it before
20:14:47LloreandelYsid: As opposed to what, an anonymous unsearchable public FTP? I'm not really sure I understand the problem with it being a webinterface.
20:14:56GodEaterwhat's your wiki name then - and I'll give it to you ?
20:14:57evil_i have iRiver u10, and I want replace flash with bigger unit
20:14:58Lloreanevil_: This is #rockbox, not #nonrockbox, just as a heads up.
20:15:06GodEaterLlorean: perhaps it doesn't voice well ?
20:15:17evil_where is firmware, on the flash ?
20:15:31LloreanGodEater: Ah, well I would've expected a "The need to us a webinterface that isn't particularly accessible" then. :)
20:16:02GodEaterLlorean: I'm just guessing - delYsid may just not like webpages. But since he's not able to see it - I'm not sure.
20:16:06chrisjs169GodEater, hold on - I don't even think I've registered before
20:16:18GodEaterchrisjs169: well pull your finger out then :)
20:16:20evil_Llorean, but probably nonswherelese i can find such informations :/
20:16:26delYsidLlorean: thats a personal thing I guess, its just not that easy to navigate complicated interfaces with lynx, you know.
20:16:51GodEaterI haven't even look at flyspray in lynx
20:16:56*n1s builds latest gcc 4.3 snapshot
20:17:02GodEaterdelYsid: do you prefer lynx to links and elinks ?
20:17:09Lloreanevil_: Well just because there is no right place doesn't mean you should interfere in the wrong place.
20:17:27delYsidGodEater: definitely yes.
20:17:52GodEaterdelYsid: interesting - why's that? (If you don't mind me asking) - I much prefer elinks for text only browsing personally
20:17:59chrisjs169GodEater, WikiName is JackSuter
20:18:23delYsidGodEater: the table display of links and elinks makes tabular page layouts extremely hard to read IMO.
20:18:33delYsidits because screen width is limited on a 80 char terminal...
20:18:33GodEaterchrisjs169: done
20:18:41chrisjs169GodEater, ok, thanks
20:18:49preglowSlasheri: done any research on the dircache unnecessary scan on reboot thing?
20:19:07Learn1s: Still much larger lcd driver code (the icode functions in particular)?
20:19:15delYsidok, Ill create a tracker item then and hopefully figure out how to update the attachment one day :-)
20:19:16GodEaterdelYsid: I shall take a look and see what you mean - I assume our flyspray is an example of such a crappy layout ?
20:19:36GodEaterdelYsid: you just keep uploading new ones as far as I know - you can't update the original one
20:19:47delYsidGodEater: no idea, I really gave up on using links and elinks years ago.
20:19:55n1sLear: build isn't finished yet, I will tell you when It's done
20:20:03chrisjs169GodEater, do you want me to write the howto on the Wiki?
20:20:14delYsidGodEater: ok, thanks.
20:20:56GodEaterchrisjs169: just update the e200r page to indicate what you've tried with your e200, and that it didn't work I think
20:21:05chrisjs169GodEater, ok
20:21:08GodEaterchrisjs169: but a howto would also be good if you have time
20:21:36chrisjs169GodEater, ok, I just started a howto, so it should hopefully be done shortly
20:21:38GodEaterheh - I don't even have lynx installed to try it
20:21:45GodEaterchrisjs169: excellent work - thank you
20:22:46n1sLear: also should binutils 2.16.1 work or should I use 2.17?
20:23:13evil_Llorean, hmm...anyway 'where is firmware written' is also related to rockbox, it only depend for what i need this information :P
20:23:34LearAt least 2.17. If not later than, modify gcc/config/m68k/m68k-devices.def.
20:24:34chrisjs169GodEater, updated Plan B
20:24:38Lloreanevil_: Go read what's documented in the wiki. Either it's already there, or nobody has found out. I assume since you're saying it's related to Rockbox, you'll be updating our Wiki with where the firmware is stored once you find it?
20:24:57GodEaterchrisjs169: again, thanks:)
20:25:19chrisjs169GodEater, glad I was able to help :)
20:25:32delYsidok, there is FS #7704 now.
20:25:36GodEaterchrisjs169: now we need a brave soul like you with an e200r
20:25:49*chrisjs169 points to advcomp2019
20:25:51chrisjs169;)
20:26:40*GodEater wants to make it clear no-one is being forced to volunteer their players
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20:42:04GRaTTdelYsid FS7704 committed yesterday breaks your talking chess patch
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21:05:36GodEaterhow is the howto coming along chrisjs169 ?
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21:07:52Migit109@godeater, what is this howto about, if you dont mind me asking
21:08:10GodEatere200 -> e200r -> e200 again
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21:10:21GRaTTdelYsid I mean FS7174 breaks your talk patch for chess
21:10:30GodEaterdid Bagder come back online yet ?
21:12:25*amiconn wonders why the $Id$ in sapi_voice.vbs doesn't work
21:12:41alienbiker99has somebody successfully dont that GodEater?
21:12:41amiconnsvn:keywords is set to "Author Date Id Revision"
21:13:08GodEateralienbiker99: yes today
21:13:43GodEateralienbiker99: do you feel like trying the e200r -> e200 bit yourself ?
21:13:58*GodEater thinks he recalls alienbiker99 has an e200r
21:13:58n1sLear: preliminary report, gcc 4.3 + binutils 2.18 rockbox builds fine with a couple of warnings and Tremor has to be built with -O or -Os to fit iram, still crashes on boot though...
21:14:44n1smaybe I did something wrong... replaced -m5206e -Wa, -m5249 with -mcpu=5249 in the makefile only
21:15:48*GodEater thinks he's scared away alienbiker99
21:19:36O112358how do you get into debug with the new rockbox builds?
21:20:12O112358found it ^^
21:21:04alienbiker99nah ive got a e200
21:21:13LearOh, so 2.18 is out. And no iram problem for the core?
21:21:36alienbiker99i mean it would be cool to see what the rhaspody channels are like then go back to rockbox
21:22:03LearAnd how early is the crash?
21:22:39n1sLear: botloader prints "Result: 0" disk keeps spinning backlight on... so I guess it could be a bootloader crash too
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21:27:17O112358what's the best way to do a battery bench test?
21:27:41O112358is it good to have it at full volume?
21:27:54O112358and should you just have one album on repeat?
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21:37:27O112358there aren't any newer h300 firmware versions than 1.29 K right?
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21:56:00n1sLear: Main binary grew about 17kbytes, lcd-remote-iriver.o was about 3 of those lcd-h300 only grew about 400 bytes and lcd-16bit about 130... lets hope they fix some code-size regressions... Also I never managed to get it starting on my h300 triead a buch of different options but a consistent lack of documentation for the new options makes it somewhat tedious...
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22:06:26Xorakargh.. i've been away from rockbox for too long.. can't remember how to do anything
22:06:35*chrisjs169 is back from trying (and failing) to catch a cat
22:06:44 Nick Xorak is now known as O11 (n=irc@82-35-97-118.cable.ubr05.dals.blueyonder.co.uk)
22:07:30O11why did the cat need to be caught?
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22:10:20chrisjs169O11, because he won't let us catch him
22:10:52chrisjs169I've got an e200R to e200 howto done in 10 easy steps :D
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22:15:27GodEaterchrisjs169: link ?
22:16:16chrisjs169GodEater, http://chrisjs.com/?page_id=57 - I'm planning on copying it over to the Rockbox Wiki
22:16:38GodEaterperfect
22:17:35chrisjs169What should the name of the wiki article be?
22:17:40preglowthat rocks seriously
22:18:23preglowoh, you don't have a real e200r
22:18:28preglowthen is it useful at all?
22:18:48GodEaterpreglow: it might be possible to convert a 200r to a 200 ?
22:19:06preglowreading now
22:19:16preglowwell, worth a shot, now let's find someone with an e200r :>
22:19:48GodEaterwe've been trying all day
22:19:55GodEaterthey must possess both courage, and clue
22:20:29preglowchrisjs169: this is quite a lot of redistributing of copyrighted files, yes?
22:20:35preglowif so, it should be adapted before published on our wiki
22:21:04chrisjs169preglow, ok
22:21:22preglowis extracting the files in question hard?
22:21:34chrisjs169which files?
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22:22:05preglowfirmware, bootloader
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22:22:46chrisjs169there's quite a few copies of them around, I just got those two from my Sansa before a firmware upgrade
22:23:12preglowyeah, i just don't want any copyrighted stuff (or dealings with) appearing in the official rockbox wiki
22:23:40preglowgod knows how we'll deal with this without distributing e200 bootloaders and firmware, though
22:23:40LloreanDon't we know of e200 firmares/bootloaders at daniel.haxx.se already?
22:23:49preglowLlorean: yes
22:23:56preglowbut that's not the rockbox site either
22:23:59LloreanYeah, I know
22:24:18LloreanBut we could provide a binary patch against files hosted there, similar to fwpatcher patching the H1xx/H3xx firmwares?
22:24:18preglowi just wanted to mention the issue, it's worth thinking about
22:24:19chrisjs169so how should I point them to the firmware/bootloader?
22:24:44amiconnchrisjs169: I wonder why it hung booting the e200r firmware. Perhaps the R has some hardware component that the non-R doesn't have, so that the other way 'round will work
22:24:46LloreanOr rather a binary patch against any pre-chosen specific version of the official files, rather?
22:24:48preglowLlorean: yeah, but should we even encourage people to download copyrighted files officially?
22:25:05preglow'cause they very probably are copyrighted by portalplayer/sandisk
22:25:09chrisjs169amiconn, it didn't hang booting the e200r firmware - that booted just fine
22:25:21chrisjs169amiconn, it had a problem booting into Rockbox, while using the patched e200R bootloader
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22:26:04Lloreanpreglow: Well, theoretically in the end we won't need the original firmware to install, right?
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22:26:48amiconnHmm, then I must have misunderstood the remark in the wiki...
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22:27:05preglowLlorean: perhaps
22:27:12chrisjs169amiconn, fixing
22:27:21preglowi haven't followed the discussion too closely, if that's not the case, we don't have anything to worry about
22:27:38Lloreanpreglow: Well, iiuc, we could just replace the flash bootloader entirely with our code, at which point the existence of an OF or how it's encrypted doesn't matter.
22:27:56preglowsounds like a bit of work, though
22:28:00*chrisjs169 fixed
22:28:03preglowwe don't even do that on ordinary sansas, do we?
22:28:06LloreanNope
22:28:13LloreanOn ordinary sansas we basically follow the iPod path.
22:28:25amiconnWe don't do (real) cold boot on any PP target
22:28:31LloreanBut on the R, the flash bootloader can't be convinced to load our code without signing it, but we can replace the flash bootloader with an e200 one, it looks like
22:28:37preglowand doing so will mean tons and tons of work
22:28:49preglowwe don't even know how to init 99% of the hardware
22:28:54amiconnyep
22:29:06LloreanPerhaps we could also just dump the flash bootloader, and do a binary patch against the dump then?
22:29:25preglowsure, but someone would need to do some original modifications, then
22:29:32preglowwe can't just patch against the regular e200 bootloader
22:29:35*Bagder returns
22:29:45LloreanIf I understand correctly, we thought we might have a patched original bootloader already
22:29:47*preglow jumps
22:29:49LloreanIt just didn't work.
22:30:33*GodEater is keen to hear Bagder's theories on why the patched bootloader didn't load RB
22:31:00Bagderbadly generated mi4 I'd guess
22:31:15Bagderhow was it made?
22:31:37chrisjs169I still have the Rhapsody firmware/bootloader on my Sansa (put it back on a few hours ago)
22:31:40BagderMrH made the pactched BL load a dummy-signed mi4
22:31:46GodEaterit came from your site - how the heck should I know ?
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22:32:10BagderI mean the rockbox bootloader mi4
22:32:45GodEaterisn't that the one you linked in the plan b section ?
22:32:51GodEateror was that supposed to boot something else ?
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22:33:03Bagderno, that's the plain sansa bootloaders
22:33:15GodEaterwell that might explain a lot
22:33:25Bagderthat one loads an mi4, that when we run rockbox is the rockbox bootloader mi4
22:33:42*GodEater looks at chrisjs169
22:34:04chrisjs169need me to do some more testing?
22:34:08Bagderthe R model BL requires a differently encoded mi4 than the regular e200 does
22:34:16amiconnThe sansa boot process seems to be *somewhat* confusing, eh?
22:34:24GodEaterjust a little
22:34:32GodEaterI'm just lost with what chrisjs169 did now
22:34:37chrisjs169so it didn't load due to it being encoded differently/improperly?
22:34:48Bagderchrisjs169: that's my guess, yes
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22:35:12linuxstbIIUC, there's a pre-bootloader in "i2c ROM" which loads the main bootloader from the firmware partition. That bootloader then loads the main firmware (mi4) which is also stored in the firmware partition.
22:35:24GodEaterBagder: and we know how to do that encoding or not yet ?
22:35:36Bagderwe know how, or rather mi4code does
22:35:54linuxstbAh, hence the E200R build target...
22:35:59GodEaterso chrisjs169 might have been able to boot RB if he'd had a properly encoded m14
22:36:00Bagderyeps
22:36:03GodEatermi4 even
22:36:08Bagderyes
22:36:34GodEaterin which case then yes - chrisjs169 - do some more testing :)
22:36:46chrisjs169GodEater, ok
22:37:14chrisjs169can mi4code decode the mi4 and re-encode it so that the Rhapsody BL will accept it?
22:37:19Bagderyes
22:37:46chrisjs169ok
22:38:29scorcheso i take it no one has stepped up to plan B yet?
22:38:54GodEaterscorche: not with a proper R no
22:39:04*chrisjs169 forgets the link to the mi4
22:39:11Bagderchrisjs169 is leveling the field for plan b
22:39:19GodEaterscorche: all the R owners are too scared :)
22:39:29scorcheoff i go to get one then...
22:39:37scorcheoh, crap...it is labor day...
22:40:51linuxstbscorche: All shops are closed?
22:41:04scorchei am checking if bestbuy is
22:41:06SoapI'll cough up some cash to buy a borked E200R from anyone with the gonads to try it.
22:41:23advcomp2019they are open i think
22:41:36SoapCC is open and arresting customers!
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22:41:51*bluebrother notices Bagder
22:42:06linuxstbSoap: From what little I know of the Sansas, it doesn't seem that high-risk. You would still have manufacturing mode to fall back on...
22:42:17advcomp2019they have the 4gb e200r for $100
22:42:29SoapWhy do you think I'm so willing to risk the cash, linuxstb? ;)
22:42:31scorchea-ha!...they are
22:42:41bluebrotherBagder: can you move the v1.0.1 binaries of rbutil to the download server? Files are located at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/
22:42:48Soapsmell you later scorche.
22:43:07*scorche goes off to fetch an e200r to break
22:43:11GodEateryay
22:43:14chrisjs169yay
22:43:14advcomp2019ok
22:43:16chrisjs169just say it's DOA
22:43:18SoapAnd my offer to reimburse the brave knight who borks his Sansa....That doesn't include scorche.
22:43:23GodEaterhahahaha
22:43:31GodEaterI like how you said that after he's gone
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22:43:57advcomp2019Soap: did it read that right
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22:44:08fm2petur: is FS #7667 now good enough?
22:44:12Bagderbluebrother: seeing you removed the wx rbutil from svn, should I remove it from the dl server too you think?
22:44:17fm2petur: hi btw! :-)
22:44:21*scorche wonders if he should wear his rockbox shirt to go get the sansa
22:44:29*petur wakes up
22:44:45bluebrotherDomonoky did the removal to be exact. We don't have a mac binary around, maybe keep that for now?
22:44:47Bagderscorche: as if anyone would know what it is...
22:44:53Soapadvcomp2019 ?
22:44:59scorcheheh...true...it IS bestbuy...
22:45:00bluebrotherapart from that I think it can get removed.
22:45:04Bagderbluebrother: sure, no hurry
22:45:16fm2petur: sorry for waking you up
22:45:18bluebrotherI just wanted to get a binary out with recent fixes.
22:45:26advcomp2019you said that you would pay someone with a r to try it
22:45:26linuxstbbluebrother: I have a Mac binary now...
22:45:32Bagderbluebrother: 1.0.1 is there, should be visible within the hour
22:45:33bluebrotheroh, cool :)
22:45:50linuxstbhttp://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutilqt-1.0.1.dmg
22:45:55Soapadvcomp2019: I'll help buy the borked player from someone who tries it and, worse case scenario, borks their player.
22:46:07linuxstbbluebrother: Not very well tested, so let's see what happens...
22:46:16peturfm2: I'll check soon... maybe GodEater can give his blessing before I look (before we get another discussion on dev-ml ;) )
22:46:17GodEateradvcomp2019: the deal is you send it to us if you break it though (right soap ?)
22:46:21Soapright
22:46:27Soapsend it to Bagder.
22:46:32bluebrotherwell, I guess the mac port needs some care ... unfortunately I can't do that myself.
22:46:51GodEaterpetur: my seal of approval is worth something suddenly ? :)
22:46:53fm2petur: you had a discussion?
22:46:54linuxstbbluebrother: It seems pretty good considering no effort has been made, apart from compiling.
22:47:10bluebrotherlinuxstb: that's great to hear.
22:47:15SoapAND follow all instructions to the letter. No "I paniced and overwrote the firmware partition with goatse porn!" types of bricking.
22:47:27*petur refers to the clock-plugin discussion some time ago
22:47:35chrisjs169how do i make mi4code encrypt the firmware?
22:47:50advcomp2019o ok Soap
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22:48:02Bagderchrisjs169: mi4code encrypt
22:48:13chrisjs169Bagder, I know, but wouldn't that use the default?
22:48:33chrisjs169This worked: ./mi4code encrypt PP5022.clean PP5022.rhap rhapsody - is that correct?
22:48:35Bagderah, you use the right keyid
22:48:39Bagderyes
22:48:41chrisjs169ok
22:48:54*chrisjs169 prepares to try it
22:49:14linuxstbBagder: Can I just check you saw my Mac binary?
22:49:23bluebrotherBagder: is the linux binary in a subfolder "linux"?
22:49:26*GodEater crosses his fingers again
22:49:29Bagderlinuxstb: got it
22:49:45Bagderbluebrother: I can make it so, yes
22:49:54chrisjs169it's rebooting...
22:49:59fm2petur: I think that just the fact the USB connection is handled properly now makes committing of FS #7667 mandatory :-)))
22:50:01chrisjs169firmware updating
22:50:11chrisjs169Load main img failed
22:50:11bluebrotherwell, it's just that I'm updating the wiki page.
22:50:25chrisjs169wait
22:50:31*chrisjs169 didn't use patched BL
22:50:56Bagderrbutilqt for mac uploaded
22:51:29*GodEater downgrades chrisjs169's A+ to an mere A
22:51:29Bagderbluebrother: which package on your is for linux?
22:51:35Bagderyour page
22:51:56bluebrotherI just build it statically against Qt on x86
22:52:05bluebrotheri.e. my work machine
22:52:10 Quit datachild (Connection timed out)
22:52:18Bagderrbutilqt-v1.0.1.tar.bz2 ?
22:52:22bluebrotheryes.
22:52:36Bagderthanks
22:52:44Bagdergot it too now
22:53:18*linuxstb waves goodbye to rbutil-wx
22:53:33*bluebrother joins linuxstb
22:54:15linuxstbbluebrother: You do know you need to incorporate e200tool into rbutil now?
22:54:18*GodEater stands to attention
22:54:31bluebrothernot yet. We need to?
22:54:37*bluebrother looks around for Domonoky
22:54:40GodEateranyone going to read a eulogy for rbutilwx ?
22:54:53linuxstbIt seems that will be needed for an E200R install. And afaik it's Linux-only at the moment...
22:54:59GodEaterbluebrother: you may well need to if today's experiment works
22:55:06fm2Is ignoring of iTnus comments still correct with the recent fix to FS #7698? Shoudn't line 955 in id3.c use strncmp instead of strcmp?
22:55:17Lloreanlinuxstb: By this point I've read one person claiming to have succeeded using it in windows
22:55:52fm2IMHO it just can't work as it is now (I haven't tested though since I don't use iTunes)
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22:59:36chrisjs169firmware upgrade done
22:59:46chrisjs169and it appears frozen again
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23:00
23:00:11Bagderfrozen at what point?
23:00:16chrisjs169The Sandisk logo
23:00:22GodEaterloading Rockbox I'm guessing
23:00:24chrisjs169yes
23:00:30chrisjs169so it seems it's still not accepting it
23:00:43linuxstbBut doesn't it give an error if it doesn't accept it?
23:00:52Bagderexactly my thinking
23:00:56Bagderit did before
23:01:05Bagderthis seems more like the BL not working properly
23:01:06GodEaterbad image or something ?
23:01:20kugeli wonder if it is possible to make a dual boot
23:01:26linuxstbBagder: Do you know if MrH has tested his patched bootloader?
23:01:31Bagderyes he did
23:01:31kugelbooting either R FW or non-R FW
23:01:49Bagderkugel: should indeed be possible
23:01:50GodEaterit boots the R firmware
23:02:08Bagderlinuxstb: pretty much using this method
23:02:14chrisjs169I did "mi4code decrypt PP5022.mi4 PP5022.clean", followed by "mi4code encrypt PP5022.clean PP5022.rhap rhapsody" and placed PP5022.rhap on the Sansa (after renaming)
23:02:24chrisjs169there's no error, it just doesn't boot
23:03:01chrisjs169what about decrypting the original rhapsody firmware and re-encrypting (just to test it)
23:03:02kugelcan the R bootloader boot the non-R bootloader?
23:03:17chrisjs169can a bootloader boot a bootloader?
23:03:30Bagderthe sansa bootloader only boots the Rockbox bootloader
23:03:48Bagderand that then loads the firmware of choice
23:04:10kugelif the R bootloader would boot the noon-R bootloader, the non-R bootloader could boot the RB bootloader
23:04:12kugellol
23:04:13Bagderchrisjs169: I'm thinking the mi4 header might be wrong
23:04:21***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:04:35chrisjs169Bagder, ok
23:04:42kugelway to much o's in that sentence
23:05:03Bagderchrisjs169: decrypt it with -s, then make a new one with 'build'
23:05:15chrisjs169ok
23:05:42 Part fm2 ("Thank you for the music; hope Magnus will read the question about the iTunes comments")
23:05:57BagderI'm thinking encrypt is not enough to make a good mi4 out of a vanilla mi4
23:06:09Bagderor rather, I'm quite sure that's the case
23:06:37*linuxstb builds an e200r bootloader from SVN - using scramble to generate the mi4
23:06:49Bagderthat's the spirit!
23:07:02kugeldamn
23:07:06kugeli wish i could help you
23:07:10kugelin any way
23:07:25SoapRbutilwx was taken from this world and called back to his maker, our lord, bluebrother. We should not sit idly by and feel sorry for the loss, for that is a selfish act. Instead we should rejoice in his passing! We should sing the highest praises of his life's work! We should celebrate the man RbutilWX was and the wonderful child, RbutilQT, he brought into this world and gave to us all! For was it not through the toil and sacrifice of our dealrly de
23:07:25Soapparted RbutilWX that we came to have a better understanding of the greater good that is easy (crossplatform) noob management? For was it not through the effort of RbutilWX that we came to have a better understanding, dare I say, of /ourselves/? This is a day which should go down - not as a mournful day of sorrow - but as a glorious day of joy! I know, looking out at those of you gathered here today, that RbutilWX touched many of you in a special way.
23:07:31Soap I know that RbutilWX is in a better place, and that he is looking proudly down upon you with not a tear in his eye. It is at this time I would like to asked the departed's son, RbutilQT to say a few words...
23:07:38chrisjs169Bagder, so "./mi4code decrypt -s PP5022.mi4 PP5022.clean2" followed by "./mi4code build PP5022.clean2 PP5022.rhap2"
23:07:40linuxstbchrisjs169: You could try this - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/pp5022.mi4
23:07:47chrisjs169linuxstb, ok
23:08:05Bagderchrisjs169: the build command line needs "rhapsody" at the end as well
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23:08:08GodEaterSoap - that was beautiful
23:08:15chrisjs169Bagder, ok
23:08:16*Bagder has tears in his eyes
23:09:10xDragonforce16x*me has a question
23:09:19*chrisjs169 tries linuxstb's copy
23:09:42chrisjs169rebooting
23:09:45kugelcan i do anything to help?
23:09:49chrisjs169!!!!!!!!!111
23:09:51xDragonforce16x*what are the types of files that the mpgplayer uses
23:09:53chrisjs169FILE NOT FOUND!!
23:09:58GodEaterwoohoo
23:10:11Bagdernow that is an error message with smiles in the audience
23:10:18FebsxDragonforce16x: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginMpegplayer
23:10:20chrisjs169it's easy to fix too
23:10:28linuxstbchrisjs169: You mean install Rockbox? ;)
23:10:35chrisjs169linuxstb, yeah ;)
23:10:35GodEateryay
23:10:44GodEaterchampagne!
23:10:51bluebrotherSoap: I am your lord? Woops ...
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23:11:32Bagdernow we just need someone with a real R target to do this
23:11:32Soapbluebrother: you did write the holy book.
23:11:37chrisjs169so, to recap, using a modified bootloader, we were able to boot into Rockbox?
23:11:52GodEatertechnically rbutil-wx's maker is Cassie, with a bit of help from Domonoky
23:11:55bluebrotheroh ... and I wanted to read the bible in RL at least once.
23:11:59kugelask advcomp again
23:12:02xDragonforce16xThank ya
23:12:04Bagderchrisjs169: yes, its just a removed signature check
23:12:11chrisjs169Bagder, ok
23:12:13Soap(well, much of it) (well, LaTeX'd it.) (and what proper religion doesn't use latex?)
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23:12:19bluebrotheroh, and you forgot the real creator of rbutilwx, Cassandra.
23:12:25Bagderwell, "just"...
23:12:30chrisjs169lol
23:12:47*chrisjs169 goes back to original rhapsody firmware, installs rockbox, and puts the mi4 back on
23:12:49*Bagder created a special page for him today
23:12:57Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mrh.html
23:13:08SoapMy apologies to RbutilWX's true masters. I got caught up in the emotion of the wake.
23:13:22GodEaterI'm sure they'll forgive you
23:13:42bluebrotherBagder: I like the last line ;)
23:13:46chrisjs169so MrH is one of the developers here in disguise?
23:13:49BagderSoap: that'll be 22 ave marias for you until your sins have been scrubbed off
23:13:52kugelBadger, nice that you celebrate yourself :P
23:13:53chrisjs169ROCKBOX BOOTS!!!
23:13:56GodEaterchrisjs169: no-one knows who he is
23:14:04chrisjs169GodEater, ok
23:14:06*GodEater opens the champers now
23:14:09bluebrotherchrisjs169: wow
23:14:14kugelyey
23:14:38Bagdernow chrisjs169 can be the first Rhapsody / Rockbox dual-booter
23:14:47*chrisjs169 shoves microsd card in
23:14:51kugelhe is a hero, ain't he?
23:15:07linuxstbIt's true, MrH is a magician - http://www.mrh-magic.com/
23:15:15Bagderyay!
23:15:24Bagderand karaoke!
23:15:42bluebrotherwe should do a karaoke session in this channel ;)
23:15:43chrisjs169sound works too
23:16:21kugeljack, are you actually able, to boot rockbox from an R'ed sansa now?
23:16:27kugeli cant believe it
23:16:53linuxstbkugel: Do you have an R?
23:17:03kugelno
23:17:35Bagderkugel: chrisjs169's target is not originally a real R, it was converted to one
23:17:49kugel"R'ed" thats what i meant
23:17:51*GodEater is confident we can make this work on a real R
23:17:55Bagderwe still await an actual R target for the real party to start
23:18:02Bagderoh, I am too
23:18:05chrisjs169kugel, I am sitting here listening to music with the Rhapsody bootloader
23:18:33kugelask advcomp again and again and again!!
23:18:47bluebrotherpardon me not getting every line, it's a hacked R bootloader?
23:18:48kugelgive him 5 bucks
23:18:48chrisjs169I can't boot the rhapsody firmware now, since dual booting isn't completely working yet
23:19:01kugeloh
23:19:01chrisjs169bluebrother, it's a vanilla with the Rhapsody firmware and bootloader
23:19:07Bagderah, yes I bet it can't load that rhapsody mi4
23:19:25GodEaterthat's going to be a pain then
23:19:32GodEaterno way to get music on except via SD card
23:19:41Bagderwell, it's only a matter of adding a key
23:19:41GodEateruntil we get working USB of course
23:19:50bluebrotherwhat did you change to trick it running our code?
23:19:52chrisjs169it tries to load the OF.bin file
23:20:01Bagderah true
23:20:04chrisjs169bluebrother, remove sig check
23:20:15bluebrotherah, so the bootloader is hacked. Nice.
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23:21:23Bagderhm, the bootloader should be able to load rhapsody mi4 files
23:21:40Bagderah, but that of course requires it to be installed with sansapatcher
23:21:55linuxstbchrisjs169: Did you put an OF.mi4 file on your Sansa (with the original firmware) ?
23:22:06linuxstb(in /System)
23:22:06chrisjs169linuxstb, I didn't think to do that - I can if you want
23:22:26linuxstbIf I can read, the bootloader should load that.
23:22:37linuxstb(the Rockbox bootloader)
23:22:45linuxstbThere's far too many bootloaders involved here...
23:23:01kugelhehe yea
23:23:11kugelits like a BOOTLOADERCAMP
23:23:18kugel;;
23:23:31kugeldid you get that one??
23:23:50kugelbootcamp <=> bootloadercamp ??
23:23:53kugelwel...
23:24:01chrisjs169...right
23:24:09chrisjs169so do you want me to put OF.bin on it?
23:24:18*chrisjs169 wonders if there's a copy of OF.bin around
23:24:33chrisjs169wait, i don't need it
23:24:38chrisjs169it also looks for OF.mi4
23:24:45*petur hands fm2 two tabs and a long line
23:24:55*chrisjs169 boots back into Recovery Mode
23:25:23linuxstbWhy do you need recovery mode?
23:25:33chrisjs169because OF.* isn't on there
23:25:35Bagderno usb without OF
23:25:42kugeluse the sd card
23:25:48chrisjs169no other reader
23:26:00chrisjs169except for camera, but it doesn't like that card
23:26:10kugelah ok
23:26:32kugela man should allways have at least 1 OF.bin on its mSD
23:26:39kugel;)
23:27:22chrisjs169OF.bin is what, 6 months old?
23:27:37kugelok, im gonna cut my internet cable when i make a bad joke again..
23:27:46chrisjs169lol
23:28:28kugelshit, i was about to release such one
23:29:06Lloreankugel: Could you please try to stay on-topic, as per the room guidelines?
23:29:21kugelsure.................
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23:32:45chrisjs169ok, i've got all three (e200, e200r, rockbox) firmwares on my sansa
23:33:18chrisjs169once Rockbox boots I'll test the rhapsody firmware, followed by the e200
23:34:40chrisjs169booting OF.bin...
23:34:57chrisjs169It's freezing trying to load OF.bin
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23:35:23kugelOF.bin was rhapsody now?
23:35:36chrisjs169yes
23:35:53chrisjs169"oddly", the rockbox bootloader notices the 20 MB partition
23:35:56chrisjs1690x84
23:36:04Bagderthat's not too odd
23:36:06Bagderit's there
23:36:19chrisjs169yeah, just the R firmware hides it, correct?
23:36:30Bagderyes, but only for usb
23:36:32chrisjs169that's why I quoted "oddly" ;)
23:36:37Bagderit is still there
23:36:53chrisjs169of.bin does not boot
23:36:55kugelcan't a partition software unhide the partition?
23:37:16Bagderkugel: no, since the partition doesn't exist when shown over usb
23:37:57linuxstbSo the Rhapsody OF is showing a different MBR, not just different disk geometry?
23:38:21Bagdergood question
23:39:35chrisjs169I was able to reload the copy of the Rockbox mi4 file (apparently, it isn't erased until the OF boots
23:39:45Bagderhm, the new obo yellows are weird
23:39:50chrisjs169but decrypted copies of both the e200 and e200R firmware freeze
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23:40:22*chrisjs169 copies both mi4 files over
23:40:26linuxstbI wonder if the SVN bootloader is broken...
23:41:00linuxstbCan anyone with a Sansa try building the SVN bootloader and see if it boots the OF?
23:41:03advcomp2019could the OF be a different name
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23:41:49*chrisjs169 starts to wonder if "anyone" is pointed towards me ;)
23:41:58kugeli could
23:42:22linuxstbchrisjs169: Anyone with a E200 - not you any more...
23:42:27chrisjs169linuxstb, ok :D
23:42:42*chrisjs169 's too busy trying to get this working
23:43:40kugelhow to do that?
23:43:43kugeli will do that
23:43:56chrisjs169kugel, you'll need a copy of SVN
23:44:05chrisjs169I can built it on my server if you don't have a copy
23:44:18*scorche returns with an e250R in hand
23:44:19kugelyo getting one
23:44:31linuxstbscorche: You have 15 minutes to install Rockbox...
23:44:41scorcheheh...wha?
23:44:57kugelis it a real R?
23:44:57chrisjs169"Dual booting" works
23:45:05scorcheyes...it is a real R
23:45:06bluebrotherday ends in 15 minutes?
23:45:20chrisjs169scorche, ok, you have everything needed?
23:45:26Bagdernooo, we're on the internet where the days never end!
23:45:39scorchechrisjs169: well, hold on!...i havent opened the package yet!
23:45:41kugelacutally, what are days anyway?
23:45:47bluebrotherdon't worry −− if a day ends, a new one will come
23:45:47chrisjs169scorche, haha, ok
23:46:33kugelok i have the svn
23:46:36linuxstbchrisjs169: So you can now boot the OF?
23:46:55chrisjs169linuxstb, I can boot both the e200 and e200R OF
23:47:10linuxstbWith that bootloader I gave you?
23:47:14chrisjs169linuxstb, yes
23:47:20linuxstbSo what was the problem before?
23:47:20chrisjs169using OF.mi4
23:47:33chrisjs169OF.bin doesn't work for some reason - it freezes trying to load
23:47:47linuxstbMaybe the .bin wasn't created correctly?
23:47:47advcomp2019get a third one to boot
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23:48:18chrisjs169linuxstb, it's possible, but since OF.mi4 works, do i need to retry decrypting the bin?
23:48:47scorchealright...connected to the comp...
23:48:55 Quit O112358 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)")
23:48:59chrisjs169that took forever ;)
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23:49:11scorcheor do i need to boot into manufacturing mode first?
23:49:17jimmy_evening
23:49:21Bagderscorche: you do
23:49:31chrisjs169scorche, yes, and put the e200 bootloader on it
23:49:51chrisjs169well, not "on it" but use e200tool recover [e200].rom
23:50:16Goldenrodclear
23:50:41kugelomg how i hate that refreshing database
23:50:54chrisjs169in the e200 recovery mode, place the patched copy of the e200r bootloader on it
23:51:17Bagderit's a beautiful process ;-)
23:51:17scorcheyeah...booting up the vmware image for e200tool...
23:52:00jimmy_please could someone give me the lodown on playing video files on ipod video 80gb using rockbox?
23:52:24bluebrotherjimmy_: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
23:52:51jimmy_ye was just reading that, does it only support mpeg atm?
23:53:05bluebrotheryes
23:53:23kugellol again database refresh
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23:53:41kugeldo you still want me to test if the bootloader works properly?
23:53:41jimmy_ok thanks. are there plans to have a fully featured media centre type plugin?
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23:54:07krazykitjimmy_, it'll happen when someone wants to code it.
23:54:11linuxstbjimmy_: What's a "media centre type plugin" ?
23:54:16markunjimmy_: no plans
23:54:30chrisjs169kugel, I suppose
23:54:31jimmy_like erm, XBMC for a chipped xbox
23:54:36bluebrotherwho wants a "media centre" on a dap anyway?
23:54:47markunbluebrother: I guess jimmy_ wants it :)
23:54:54jimmy_i.e. throw avi, mpg, bin files in and itll play them all
23:54:59bluebrotherwho? *g*
23:55:03kugeli do
23:55:07markunyes, I also want a universal .bin file player!
23:55:14linuxstbjimmy_: Rockbox is a DAP firmware - throw any audio file on there and Rockbox should play it...
23:55:33bluebrotherjimmy_: well, the cpu of the Ipod is most likely not powerful enough to play most video formats
23:55:44bluebrotherapple uses a supplementary chip for the video part.
23:55:45peturjimmy_: also compare cpu speed and memory of xbox with your dap and draw your conclusions
23:56:08bluebrotherunfortunately there are no specs available or other information about that chip around
23:56:24*bluebrother notes that the Ipod uses 80MHz cpu speed
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23:56:40scorchedoes it matter which e200 BL rom i use?
23:56:48jimmy_sorry guys, im new to ipod. will it support standard mp4 files converted using something like Xilisoft?
23:56:49chrisjs169scorche, not really
23:56:53Bagderscorche: no
23:56:59bluebrotherno
23:57:04krazykitjimmy_, read the wiki page. it explains everything.
23:57:29bluebrothermpeg4 requires much more cpu and you need to transcode anyway. So there is no point in supporting mpeg4
23:57:40bluebrotherplus, Rockbox is about playing music, not videos
23:57:48jimmy_ok thanks for your help. btw, its great alternative for music files, thanks.
23:57:53chrisjs169scorche, http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom will work
23:58:01krazykiti thought rockbox was about playing doom :O
23:58:22markunlinuxstb: one reason for mpeg4 could be the limited fps support with mpeg2, right?
23:58:23scorchei already have that
23:58:32chrisjs169scorche, ok
23:58:50chrisjs169so in Recovery mode place the patched R bootloader

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