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#rockbox log for 2007-09-12

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00:17:12gregj:]
00:18:44einhirnOk, g'night everyone - gtg
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00:27:30AussiedeviLout of interest does anybody know if rockbox has been ported onto the creative zen vision yet?
00:27:40bluebrotherno
00:27:47eigmaport in progress, I believe; check the wiki
00:28:11AussiedeviLnew i should have gone with an ipod or archos:)
00:28:17bluebrotherI guess the "New ports" forums is better for the current status
00:28:36AussiedeviLok cheers
00:28:45Bagderand not really "in progress"
00:29:05Bagdersome people pop up asking for a port, then it goes back to sleep again until the next person pops up
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00:31:05webguest56can i ask a quick off-topic question please, it's about ubuntu
00:31:22eigmawebguest56: NO. the #ubuntu is in #ubuntu
00:31:31*bluebrother points to the topic
00:31:49scorcheeigma: caps arent really needed...
00:31:57webguest56how do i get into the #ubuntu irc?
00:32:08Bagderyou use an irc client!
00:32:08scorcheyou cant using our webclient
00:32:21scorchejava.freenode.net
00:32:24scorchetry that one
00:32:34webguest56ok, thank you
00:36:07eigmascorche: the same thing happened yesterday, that's all
00:37:15scorcheeigma: yes, but caps is generally not necessary and can turn the polite "move on" nudge into something more hostile
00:37:24eigmafair enough.
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00:49:45naurushello again everybody
00:49:56naurushello again
00:50:45naurusi'd like to know how to get a good screen shot of a theme i made for the sansa e200 series
00:51:36naurusi have the emulator, but it gives me a warning about the codec and it wont let me get a good screenie off
00:51:46scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump
00:52:19naurussweet i'll check it out
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00:53:43amiconnHmm, now bluebrother is gone....
00:54:09amiconnDetecting devices mainly via usb device id isn't such a good idea
00:54:28amiconnWhat if you install on an ipod via firewire?
00:54:55linuxstbamiconn: I mentioned that earlier...
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00:55:03amiconnPlus the 1st/2nd gen are firewire _only_
00:55:15linuxstbI also mentioned that ;)
00:55:58amiconnHmm, didn't spot that
00:56:33linuxstbBut I don't think that should stop rbutil using usb detection - it's probably how most people connect their DAPs.
00:58:56linuxstbDo you have any idea if there's an equivalent to USB IDs in the firewire world?
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01:02:23*linuxstb answers his own question - "firmware_revision 0x0a2700, vendor_id 0x000a27, model_id 0x00007e" (ipod Color via firewire)
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01:04:24linuxstbbarrywardell: Do you want my libusb-ppc.a ?
01:04:29n1sIt seems like rbutil will have to learn many tricks to be able to reliably detect all our targets on windows/linux/macosx...
01:04:36barrywardelllinuxstb: yes please
01:04:54amiconnlinuxstb: Where do you see that?
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01:05:02barrywardellI can give you my i386 version if you need it too?
01:05:14linuxstbamiconn: In /var/log/messages
01:05:30linuxstbTry "grep ieee1394 /var/log/messages" after attaching something
01:05:41amiconneummm
01:05:54amiconnI can't - my only firewire equipped box is my windows laptop
01:06:03linuxstbbarrywardell: It won't hurt - at least we can then both compile.
01:06:20mcphailCan i thank the devs working on the iPod3g version. It has been months since I tried this, and it is now much better.
01:06:22linuxstbbarrywardell: I'll also give you my usb.h, in case there are differences...
01:06:39linuxstbmcphail: I think you just have amiconn to thank for that.
01:07:43mcphailWell, thanks amiconn! Is there a 3g roadmap/todo list i can contribute to?
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01:08:37n1smcphail: you can post feature request if you feel they are apropriate
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01:09:00*n1s should get some sleep now
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01:09:43mschneiderI have a question about the file browsing system: is there on function called to enter a directory that could easily be modified?
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01:11:48barrywardelllinuxstb: barrywardell.net/assets/files/libusb-i386.tar.gz">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/libusb-i386.tar.gz
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01:12:26naurusand i'm back again!
01:13:25naurusnow i'd like to know if its possible for rockbox to say "music" instead of "database" in the menu
01:13:50linuxstbbarrywardell: Thanks. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usbppc.tgz
01:14:01barrywardellthanks
01:14:52linuxstbnaurus: Only if you change the source code and compile Rockbox yourself. (or possibly, just the .lang file and create a new .lng)
01:15:09naurusi'll check out the lang
01:15:44naurusis there software to open the .lng file?
01:16:01barrywardelllinuxstb: there's a one line difference in usb.h
01:16:35linuxstbHmm, the endian thing...
01:16:42naurusnvm, it works in notepad
01:16:53barrywardellyup, USB_LE16_TO_CPU
01:16:56linuxstbbarrywardell: I think that's OK - our code isn't using that macro.
01:17:33barrywardellah, good
01:17:36linuxstbDid you see my changes to the e200rpatcher makefile?
01:17:55*amiconn wonders what linux chooses to display as 'model id' for a firewire device
01:18:16linuxstbamiconn: Have you found the info in Windows?
01:18:16amiconnOnly the vendor id is mandatory for firewire devices iiuc
01:18:25barrywardellyes, they look good. couldn't test them without the ppc libusb
01:19:43amiconnStill searching...
01:19:57linuxstbbarrywardell: It feels like a bit of a hack, but the whole Makefile is a bit like that - building many different targets without a configure script to help the process.
01:20:46naurusthe .lng file didn't work
01:20:50linuxstbI wouldn't like to have to try and incorporate static linking of libusb into the Universal binary of rbutil...
01:21:06barrywardellyeah, there's no easy way to do it
01:21:16naurusis there a hex editor that will work with the .rock file?
01:21:39barrywardellapple strongly discourages static linking of libraries
01:21:50scorchenaurus: a hex editor is just a hex editor...
01:22:13naurusi meant a resource hacker
01:22:15naurussorry
01:22:34naurusand i also meant for the mi4 file format
01:22:46scorchewhat are you trying to accomplish?
01:23:16naurusChanging common phrases in the menus
01:23:25scorchejust recompile..
01:23:26nauruslike change "database" to "my music"
01:23:47linuxstbnaurus: I just told you, it's in the .lng file.
01:23:53naurusso the only way is to set up a dev environment
01:24:04naurusi tried the .lng, but it didn't work
01:24:07*linuxstb realises it's not and apologises
01:24:09linuxstbSorry...
01:24:18nauruslol
01:24:25naurusits all good
01:24:38scorchesetting up a dev environment is much easier than figuring out where to edit in a binary file...as well, it will last through revisions whereas a binary patch would not
01:24:41linuxstbThe default language is compiled into Rockbox, so my very first answer applies - you need to edit the .lang file and recompile.
01:25:39naurusohhhh, ok, but i have to do it all from source
01:25:55scorcheyes, which is much easier than binary pathcing..
01:25:57barrywardelllinuxstb: i just built a universal binary, but it's not working. the e200rpatcher-i386 version does work though???
01:26:03naurusthats fine, i need to make some other changes anyway, so i'll set up a build envo
01:26:09linuxstbbarrywardell: Hmm, that's odd...
01:26:55linuxstbIn what way does it not work?
01:27:07barrywardellfound e200r, error writing data
01:27:14barrywardelli'll try to debug further
01:27:26linuxstbSo same error that you had earlier?
01:27:38barrywardelland now it worked
01:27:48barrywardellyes, same as earlier
01:27:54barrywardellmaybe it's a bit flakey after all
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01:29:02barrywardellit seems to work the second time it's run
01:29:04linuxstbYou could compare e200rpatcher with the e200tool source, but I think that part is in effect identical - there's only one way to send data...
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01:30:12linuxstbbarrywardell: Ah, e200tool displays more info for the error - fprintf(stderr, "\nBulk write error (%d, %s)\n", ret, strerror(-ret));
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01:32:32barrywardellit seems to work and not work randomly
01:33:06linuxstbCan you try displaying the return code (and error message) ?
01:34:17barrywardellyeah, trying that now. but where is strerror?
01:34:19linuxstbYou could also try modifying TOUT (the timeout) and MAX_TRANSFER (the size in bytes of each transfer).
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01:34:58linuxstbstring.h according to the manpage
01:35:45barrywardellyup, that's it. thanks
01:36:53linuxstbBTW, if you can improve the instructions or other output in e200rpatcher, feel free.
01:37:30barrywardellBulk write error (-1, Operation not permitted)
01:37:45barrywardelland then it worked the second time around
01:38:02linuxstbThat's strange - that the first write (of the length) succeeded, but the write in the while() loop didn't.
01:38:20barrywardellI sometimes also get the length writing error now
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01:39:02linuxstbSo you don't disconnect your Sansa between attempts?
01:39:17barrywardellno
01:39:26linuxstbHmm, then maybe simply make it retry?
01:39:35barrywardelli have three different experiences:
01:39:40barrywardell1) it works first time
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01:39:52nauruscan somebody point me to the page that explains dev environments, i can't find it [embarrased]
01:40:08barrywardell2) it writes the length but not the data the first time i run, but works the next time with the sansa still connected
01:40:10scorchehit the index link on the sidebar
01:40:12linuxstbClick on "index" under Documentation, then the "For Developers" section
01:40:14barrywardell3) it fails writing the length
01:40:39linuxstbAnd with 2) the application runs correctly on your Sansa?
01:41:13barrywardellyes
01:41:38barrywardell2 is the most common as well
01:41:44linuxstbIt could be worth trying to compile e200tool, and see if that works any differently.
01:42:07linuxstbBut I can't see anything it does differently...
01:42:23linuxstb(apart from retrying the detection if it fails)
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01:43:46linuxstbBut anyway, I need to sleep (early train to catch tomorrow). Goodnight
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01:45:03nauruscan somebody point me to the page that explains dev environments, i can't find it [embarrased]
01:45:36scorchewe just did
01:45:41Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
01:46:29barrywardellhmmm. e200tool has the same problems
01:46:41Soapis a link which covers all the topics: From getting a dev environment set up, to patching, to compiling, to working with SVN, to sacrificing kittens to Satan.
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01:47:00scorcheand your first-born to me, of course
01:49:25barrywardelland i get different symptoms on different usb ports. 1) and 2) on one port, 1) and 3) on the other
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01:51:03barrywardelland TOUT and MAX_TRANSFER don't affect things
01:51:07pixelmasomeone with a C200 around?
01:51:16barrywardellor the libusb version
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02:02:05amiconnhumm.
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02:02:36amiconnEven if we find out how to read the firewire model_id on winodws, 1st/2nd gen and 3rd gen ipods can't be distinguished :(
02:03:04amiconnThey both report the same model id (0x000000)
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02:23:06amiconngah
02:23:20amiconnRouting loop again, no access to www.rockbox.org :(
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02:23:54amiconn...hmm, fixed?!?!?
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02:34:56zabowhi, are questions potentially addressed here?
02:35:34FebsYes ... once they're actually asked. ;)
02:35:48zabowheh .. that was crossing my mind
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02:36:03zabowI have a Sansa e250R ...
02:36:25*scorche hides
02:36:40zabowI have read the instructions about three times, downloaded a version of Linux .. formatted my drive, and completed the instructions
02:36:48zabowto a T
02:37:01zabow<pokes under rock looking for scorche>
02:37:27*scorche refuses to come out unless a question is asked...and even then, it is dodgy
02:37:30zabowit isn't dead, but .... well, nothing
02:37:41scorchedefine nothing
02:38:02zabowsorry, after rebooting ... try sansapatcher, but nothing
02:38:10zabowit doesn't find my device
02:38:27scorchedo the instructions say to use sansapatcher?
02:38:53zabowafter the e200tool, it says to continue installation normally
02:39:18scorchewhat instructions are you following?
02:39:25zabownow I evidently can't find the instructions .. is the web page down?
02:39:36scorchei can navigate teh site just fine
02:40:05zabowI did this yesterday, and was going back for try number two ..
02:40:06scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation are the instructions you should have followed
02:40:13zabowGRRR .. boy do I feel dumb,
02:40:40zabowgoing back to instructions .. these are the ones ..
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02:41:05zabowthanks
02:41:42scorchemake sure and read those carefully and follow those to a T as well ;)
02:42:04scorchewait...you formatted your drive?!?
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02:47:04advcomp2019zabow, what do you mean by you formatted your drive?
02:47:42zabowI installed Mandriva
02:48:37zabownothing bad :)
02:48:55scorchedid you mean you formatted your sansa?
02:49:04zabowbut I can't get my Citrix Client to work either .. will get back to that after I get Rockbox working
02:49:31zabownope .. my laptop, so I could install Linux, so I could in turn try out the instructions on the e200R
02:50:08scorcheah...good
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02:50:55scorchealthough the "nothing bad" about mandriva can be disputed...
02:51:16zabowyeah, I kinda like Mandriva, but I think I will install a couple of others .. I used to be BSD guy
02:51:45zabowbut those were minimalist installs for servers .. I haven't gone the way of 6.2 yet
02:52:10*scorche points towards #rockbox-community
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03:07:20floamsome people here might find these full resolution shots of the ipod classic vivisection useful:
03:07:40floamfloam.sh.nu/static/d/front.jpeg">http://floam.sh.nu/static/d/front.jpeg http://floam.sh.nu/static/d/back.jpeg
03:09:52scorchei assume this is your device?
03:10:02floamyou assume wrong
03:10:22floamifixit posted low-resolution versions a few days ago
03:10:29floamI just rang them up and asked for the original images
03:10:50floamI do have a classic, though :P
03:10:51scorcheah
03:11:02floamand it's slow as hell
03:11:45scorchethe marker is hard to see...one would like to have a bit of something overlayed that says what one can read off the chips
03:12:05floamwell, the ARM chip on there is the exact same chip as is on the Nano
03:12:12floamand the photograph of that is perfectly legible
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03:20:41pirokoHello everybody
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03:40:23Shane_e250rHas anyone got rockbox on there sansa e200r by using some form of windows installer or bootlooder patcher for windows???
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03:42:53zabowshane?
03:43:02zabowoh well
03:45:09zabowoh well .. .tired of goofing around .. time to get some nap time ..
03:45:16zabowthanks again scorche
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03:49:31marckiehi. how do i know if my nano is 1st or 2nd gen? its 4Gb.
03:50:00alienbiker99does it have a silver back and a white or black top
03:50:06marckieyes
03:50:15marckiesilverback, black top
03:50:20alienbiker99than its a 1st gen
03:50:48marckiecool. how does a 2nd gen look like?
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03:52:58marckierockbox is not linux, is it?
03:53:19krazykitnope
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04:37:18webguest44By the help of a little comrade, my sansa e200r now dualboots. Isnt that cool?
04:38:03webguest44Now, about the rockboxed missles and toasters....and installing rockbox to my face...
04:39:28webguest44Hey, big bambi!
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04:40:30DavidGWRawsonwebguest, your spamming
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04:41:25JimmyBobHey kids, im jimmy bob
04:41:34DavidGWRawsonI don't care.
04:41:46JimmyBobHello david.
04:41:52DavidGWRawsonHello jimmy.
04:42:06JimmyBobWhat's
04:42:08DavidGWRawsonUP!!
04:42:17JimmyBobHows
04:42:19DavidGWRawsonit
04:42:24JimmyBobhangin
04:42:34DavidGWRawsonOk, shut up!
04:42:43DavidGWRawsonGet out!!
04:42:51JimmyBobMake me!
04:42:59DavidGWRawsonIm leaving
04:43:05JimmyBobMee too!
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04:52:28iambengood thing we have that web client, huh?
04:52:45kkurbjunyeah, it's always nice to see people talking to themselves
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05:01:59BladeHi
05:02:19iambenhello
05:02:31iambenanyone now where the "major changes" link moved to on the homepage?
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05:03:09Bladenone that I know of, sory.
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05:17:48HeyLittleBoyHello
05:17:59HeyLittleBoyNice Chatroom.
05:18:07krazykitiamben, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
05:18:13HeyLittleBoyHi
05:18:37krazykithi.
05:18:38HeyLittleBoyiambic Pentamiter
05:18:58krazykitHeyLittleBoy, this is an on-topic support channel. please read the channel guidelines linked in the topic
05:19:16HeyLittleBoyOk
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05:20:16DavidGWRawsonHey there, Davey.
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05:22:20DavidGWRawsonAlright, my sansa e200"R" is now dualbooting, thanks to a comrade's help on this link: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12502.30
05:22:27DavidGWRawsonyou should commend him
05:23:28DavidGWRawsonWhy does rockbox use so much battery power?
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05:24:54krazykitvarious reasons, including hardware not being initialized quite right, or certain things that we don't know how to turn off.
05:25:06krazykitand it's only a problem in portalplayers
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05:26:16eigmaoops
05:26:23krazykitdon't forget the /join ;)
05:26:33eigmayeah, heh
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06:32:00scorcheDavidGWRawson: i dont want to see that again
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06:36:19sp3ilmitkurtHi
06:38:14sp3ilmitkurtAnyone there?
06:38:30scorchei see 133 people
06:38:49sp3ilmitkurtjoin #rockbox-community
06:38:57scorchei am there...
06:39:16sp3ilmitkurtI was trying to join
06:39:44sp3ilmitkurtHey do you know is it's possible to run rock box on zune?
06:40:06scorchethe front page lists all devices that rockbox works on
06:40:40sp3ilmitkurtYeah someone was telling me that the zune is actually known as the gigabeat tho
06:41:14scorchethere are many different gigabeats
06:42:11sp3ilmitkurtthats why im here for help
06:42:48scorchethe zune is similar to the gigabeat S which rockbox does not support at this time...and it isnt the same even then
06:43:41sp3ilmitkurtBummer
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06:43:56sp3ilmitkurtThen this piece of crap is being sold for a new 160 gig ipod
06:44:11scorchewhich also doesnt run rockbox
06:44:34sp3ilmitkurtTrue
06:44:41sp3ilmitkurtBut it has coverflow :)
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06:53:25DavidGWRawsonThanks to the people in the forums to help me, rockbox is installed 100% on my 'R' series, dualboot and everything.
06:53:39sp3ilmitkurtR series what?
06:53:48DavidGWRawsonsansa rhapsody
06:53:52sp3ilmitkurtoh
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06:54:29GeorgeBushHey everyone!
06:54:32JdGordonwhat a whitty nick :p
06:54:37JdGordonyou clever person!
06:54:44LloreanDavidGWRawson: You've been warned about doing such things.
06:54:48LloreanThis is an on-topic channel.
06:54:54DavidGWRawsonWhat things?
06:55:04scorcheDavidGWRawson: do not play coy...we know that is you
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06:55:26LloreanOpening a second web client window doesn't hide the fact that it's coming from the same computer.
06:55:35DavidGWRawsonYou got me :(
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06:55:53LloreanYou need to behave, this is an on-topic channel. Rules are enforced here just like the forums
06:56:19sp3ilmitkurtSo is there any possible progress on zune ?
06:56:36DavidGWRawsonWouldn't zune be a little hard?
06:56:42scorchesp3ilmitkurt: no one is working on it
06:56:53sp3ilmitkurtWhy is that? :(
06:56:55DavidGWRawsonEspecially with song transfer capabilities
06:57:08DavidGWRawsonSending songs to other people.
06:57:22sp3ilmitkurtIt takes me hours to put a damn song on my zune.
06:57:28sp3ilmitkurtThe program freezes
06:57:32scorchewell, regardless, that is offtopic
06:58:08DavidGWRawsonWould you have to completly rewrite rockbox to work with sansa connect's wifi capability?
06:58:10sp3ilmitkurtHow so
06:58:28Lloreansp3ilmitkurt: It's off topic any problems the original firmware has.
06:58:31sp3ilmitkurtI would just want rockbox to be able to use anything but the zune software
06:58:40Lloreansp3ilmitkurt: The reason nobody's working on it is because the people who own them (like you) all expect someone else to do it.
06:58:50sp3ilmitkurtHAHAHA
06:58:54DavidGWRawsonDonate your zune to them.
06:59:00scorchethat wasnt a joke...
06:59:01sp3ilmitkurtIf I knew how I would.
06:59:09DavidGWRawsonMail it.
06:59:33sp3ilmitkurtP.P
06:59:38sp3ilmitkurtWhen I get my 160 gig
06:59:40sp3ilmitkurtI'm donating it
06:59:48Lloreansp3ilmitkurt: Well, it takes a very large amount of work, and time, and someone who really really wants it to work
06:59:59LloreanWhich is why it depends on people who actually wanted to buy that player
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07:00:16sp3ilmitkurtBut then i'll be annoyed about not having rock box on my 160 gig
07:00:24kkurbjunThere have been people that looked into the Zune and ran into problems with the digital signature checks
07:00:26DavidGWRawsonsp3ilmitkurt, you make it work for zune then, the source files are available
07:00:37sp3ilmitkurtI'm a newb coder.
07:00:40sp3ilmitkurtI'm 15
07:00:45DavidGWRawsonim 15
07:00:48DavidGWRawson+1
07:00:49kkurbjunit would be like hacking the sansa R without e200 tool
07:00:51sp3ilmitkurtDoubt I'd be able to do it
07:01:06DavidGWRawsonthat would be hard without e200tool
07:01:33sp3ilmitkurtWhat would be capable with zune and rock box/
07:01:46DavidGWRawsonWait, you can take your zune, put rocks in it, and call it rockbox. Good enough for you?
07:01:51*Llorean sighs
07:01:53LloreanGuys, ON TOPIC
07:02:07sp3ilmitkurtHow is talking about Rockbox off topic?
07:02:16LloreanTalking about a box full of Rocks is.
07:02:22sp3ilmitkurtI wasn't
07:02:34DavidGWRawsonSorry.
07:02:40LloreanAs for what Rockbox on Zune could do, it's the same as Rockbox anywhere else
07:03:00sp3ilmitkurtYou don't think because of the wifi anything new would be avalible
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07:03:26LloreanRockbox wouldn't magically gain wifi capabilities by simply being on wifi hardware
07:03:31LloreanIf someone added it in the future, then sure.
07:03:38DavidGWRawsonOOOH! Make a wifi web browser for zune, if you ever make it work for zune!
07:04:12sp3ilmitkurtas far as im concerned I feel jipped with my zune and miss my creative zen vision :m
07:04:13DavidGWRawsonProfessor Zunia....
07:04:46DavidGWRawsonAsk microsoft for the tools to make firmware. Try it,
07:04:56scorcheDavidGWRawson: i have given you enough warnings
07:05:04DavidGWRawsonok, i'll leave
07:05:32scorcheyou dont have to leave...just follow our guidelines..it isnt that hard
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07:05:50ptw419he shoulda donated his zune to me ;)
07:06:03scorche"he" is still here
07:06:06sp3ilmitkurthe didn't have a zune
07:06:08sp3ilmitkurtI did
07:06:25ptw419ah wrong person
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07:06:36LloreanI'm sure someone will find a way past the signature check eventually.
07:06:42LloreanUntil then, there's not much sense worrying about it
07:06:44ptw419eventually
07:06:59DomasoFanGood morning. Can someone tell me how good the recording quality is when files are recorded on a sansa e 200 series player?
07:07:00ptw419by the time zune 2 comes around
07:07:05kkurbjunyeah.. zunepet seems to be playing around with the font hacks
07:07:36ptw419ah really? someone from zune scene dropped by the other day and said something about font hacks
07:07:37kkurbjunor at least making suggestions on how to break it
07:07:41LloreanDomasoFan: Pretty bad, it's limited to a max of 22.1khz
07:07:59ptw419kkurbjun: got any links w/ that info on it?
07:08:25sp3ilmitkurtWooooooo font hackz1!
07:08:27ptw419knowing the zune scene they'd probably try to keep any real work secret though
07:08:33kkurbjunhttp://www.zuneboards.com/forums/search.php?searchid=69109 look at his posts on zune supporting unicode
07:08:34ptw419if any
07:08:57ptw419sp3ilmitkurt: anythings possible
07:09:08ptw419kkurbjun: thanks
07:09:25kkurbjungenerally he's vague, and it's not apparent if he's actually working on crashing the font engine
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07:10:55kkurbjunoh, never mind
07:11:06ptw419it would be real interesting to see how they crack it, if they do
07:11:08kkurbjunhe found out how to revert to different firmware versions
07:11:31kkurbjun"NOTE: it is a very limited hack. It will let you install the 4 TTC Asian font collections. It will let you revert to older versions of the official firmware. It will let you explore other exploits."
07:11:40kkurbjun"It won't let you run homebrew (at least not yet; hopefully someone will find an exploit to make it possible)"
07:12:18LloreanFor some reason the term "Homebrew" always seems to mean "I want to put emulators on it" to me.
07:12:29kkurbjunhaha
07:13:08ptw419hehe
07:13:16kkurbjunI guess he's still not past the digital signatures yet, the other firmwares are likely still signed
07:13:55LloreanSo are those fonts part of a signed package that he just convinces it to install when it didn't want to?
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07:14:18ptw419technically, it sounds like they have found a "limited" way of bypassing the sig's though if they can alter the font and revert firmwares
07:14:41ptw419Llorean: i believe the fonts are in the signed nk.bin
07:15:15ptw419but i may be wrong....
07:16:30sp3ilmitkurtsigned in .ink
07:17:10ptw419it seems in the firmware partition on the S, there is a directory containing fonts. but i could have sworn in the nk.bin from the S it also contained fonts...
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07:45:39Aveahha, another nano 0xc0005 user having "warm up" glitch problems
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07:55:01LloreanAve: And?
07:55:13Aveanother one :P
07:55:23Aveso I'm not imagining the whatever it is
07:55:31LloreanNobody every said you were...
07:55:42AveI for one felt like it based on other writings
07:55:46LloreanIn fact we've openly admitted there's a nano problem and have been trying to talk people into properly researched it.
07:55:58Avewhat is there to be done?
07:56:02Avethat'd help
07:56:03LloreanFigure out what causes the problem.
07:56:09Aveah that easy
07:56:16LloreanOh really?
07:56:27AveI mean like something simple like elimination techniques
07:56:36Avecant just pull the answer out of my hat
07:57:04LloreanYeah, you people who are having the problem need to start working on eliminating things
07:57:13LloreanThose of us who have working Nano's can't experiment
07:57:57LloreanWe've showed that it's not just heat (by heating ours up quite a lot and showing they still work), we've showed that it's not the retail firmware version, we've showed that it's not one of the known hardware variances because one person who's experiencing it has the same hardware revisions as me.
07:58:06AveI'm open to experimentation but dont know where to begin, its not like its beneficial to just start poking random values in the pp clock setup code and see what happnes
07:58:31LloreanIt's not the clock setup that's the problem, though.
07:58:46Aveyeah, proper
07:59:02LloreanSo why would you poke at those values?
07:59:16Avebecause I dont know what else to do
07:59:32Avenot clock setup, not firmware, not hw rev, not heat
07:59:53LloreanDid you miss the point where we said "We think it's likely to do with ATA timing?"
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08:00:14Aveno that was in the very beginning why the info was being requested on the tracker
08:00:30LloreanYes, and did you at any point see us say "No, it's not that"?
08:00:36LloreanThat still needs to be investigate quite a bit.
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08:01:05Aveok
08:01:35LloreanUnfortunately it requires investigation on a non-working Nano, since you can't test code quickly without one at hand
08:02:15LloreanBut either way, nobody has claimed that this problem doesn't exist.
08:02:23LloreanIf we thought it didn't exist, we'd close the task.
08:03:15Aveyes indeed
08:03:51LloreanBut it seems that, on the average, people experiencing the bug would just rather roll back to the old revision.
08:04:19Avewell, I'm using my player almost daily for listening purposes and I'm using r14003 or so..
08:04:27Avebut its no problem to upgrade
08:04:42LloreanWhat I mean is that nobody experiencing the problem is really trying to investigate.
08:05:07AveI
08:05:24Ave'll try to make an effort, but my knowledge of rb internals is shaky so I need some assitance
08:06:25LloreanWhat may be needed is for someone to investigate what the Apple firmware does, compare what we do, and experiment.
08:06:44LloreanIt's probably going to require someone to either spend some time learning quite a bit, or someone who's already quite advanced and has one of these players.
08:07:18Avethe chance of latter happening seems quite slim
08:07:41Aveunless someone sends you guys a borked player
08:08:16LloreanYou have to find someone who's knowledgeable enough and willing to work on it. For example, I'm not versed enough in the low level code to be able to do so much quirker than someone starting from scratch.
08:08:29LloreanBut yes, sending a player to an interested dev would be a very good solution
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08:21:02amiconnEven a working nano could help in solving the problem, but of course a glitching one would be more helpful
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08:22:33amiconnThere is a *known* ata problem affecting all nanos which is just worked around in the rockbox code atm. I think that this general problem and the instability on a fraction of nanos are related.
08:22:59Lloreanamiconn: Would it also relate to the occasional disk corruption an even smaller number of nanos are seeing?
08:23:41amiconnpossibly
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08:44:18GodEatera hot potato that's getting hotter it seems
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08:45:40LloreanMost people seem to agree they'd do whatever "the project" decides is best, though
08:45:41GodEatermorning B4gder
08:45:58B4gdermorning!
08:46:14GodEaterLlorean: it would seem so - but there's a definite split in people's opinions on the GPLv3/v2 issue
08:46:48GodEateralso, karl says he's not keen to do the copyright thing it would seem
08:46:51LloreanWell, I think "GPLv3 has grander goals, but GPLv2 is more likely to benefit Rockbox in the long term"
08:47:22GodEatermy personal opinion is that "with gplv3, the FSF has lost it's marbles" - but that's just me
08:47:42LloreanI understand the intent of the GPLv3, but I can't imagine it actually achieving that.
08:47:50GodEater"its marbles" <−− my mother would shoot me
08:47:56GodEaternor I
08:48:14JdGordonLinuxstb: (for the logs), i saw your message in the logs but didnt get a chnce to test it out... ill try on the weekend
08:48:21GodEaterI think it runs a risk of really alienating people
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08:48:47LloreanNot that it'd actually affect us currently, since we don't have any hardware manufacturers (that we know of) considering using RB either way.
08:49:21GodEaterI just think that if we went GPLv3, the chances of them *ever* considering us are so close to zero as makes no difference
08:49:42GodEaterall ray's talk of "well we'll just relicense to them" then is a fairy story
08:49:54GodEateras B4gder pointed out
08:50:16B4gderand his "we won't need all copyright owners" sounds like... eh bs to me
08:50:29GodEateryeah that seemed very pie in the sky to me too
08:50:32B4gderespecially since we've sucked in LOADS of other projects' code
08:50:49B4gderthose projects can hardly be expected to keep track of our "voting" about it
08:50:52GodEateryeah, our 169 (C) holders actually comprise a lot of organisations too
08:50:56GodEaternot just individuals
08:51:05LloreanI like the idea of keeping our code licensed as "GPLv2 or later" (or "Any GPL" as it *may* currently be) and then our binary is distributed under v3 just because espeak is compiled in.
08:51:28LloreanIt seems like that ought to be possible, right?
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08:51:46B4gderyes, if we decide that is what we currently have/use
08:51:52LloreanYeah
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08:51:57amiconnAs I said, I would in fact like to see rockbox going gplv3, even if that distracts manufacturers
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08:56:33GodEaterI'd be interested to hear a lawyer's view on that majority vote of (c) holders
08:56:38GodEaterI'm sure it's pixie dust
08:57:11B4gderpossibly it would work if get votes for a vast majority of the code
08:57:31GodEaterif we *get* the votes I'd agree
08:57:47GodEaterbut not if we just told people "we're assuming you've voted yes unless you say otherwise")
08:58:04B4gderI think that getting 14 votes who own 37% of the code would be joke
08:58:06B4gdera joke
08:58:28B4gderbut getting 28 that owns 97% could be considered ok
08:58:35GodEateryes
08:58:50LloreanAt which point if any of the remaining 3% of the code complains, you can rewrite it as necessary anyway
08:58:51B4gderbut I just can't see that happen
08:59:01GodEaternor me
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08:59:30Llorean"Another way is for all the contributors to a program to state a proxy who can decide on upgrading to future GPL versions. "
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09:00:07B4gderyeah, but that would require that proxy/org to own the copyright
09:00:28LloreanThe fsf site mentions that as a separate option to assigning copyright.
09:00:44B4gderoh
09:00:55LloreanYou preserve copyright, they can relicense *that use* of the code, it sounds like.
09:01:44LloreanThough they don't actually describe it, it's just mentioned at the end of a page on something else entirely
09:04:05B4gdersounds like some legalese that is beyond my little brain
09:04:15LloreanYeah.
09:04:35LloreanI guess it'd be like voting proxies with stocks and such.
09:04:38GodEaterall legalese is beyond mine ;)
09:04:49*GodEater 's brain is very very tiny
09:05:00LloreanYou still own the shares, but someone else gets to decide what you want done with 'em.
09:05:22GodEaterthat makes sense with shares
09:05:28GodEaterI'm not so sure on source code
09:06:05GodEateralthough when you say "what you want done with them", do you mean "vote for you at AGM events" or "trade with on your behalf" ?
09:06:24LloreanTrue, 'tis the voting.
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09:08:31LloreanI'm sure there's some way you could do something like giving Rockbox the right to relicense your code under any license so long as it's certified as an "Open Source" license by whoever it was who does that thing
09:09:19mikae1has anybody checked out the torn apart nano and classic http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/10/a_peek_inside_apples_new_nano_and_classic_ipods_photos.html ?
09:09:24B4gderyes it can most surely be done controlled by contracts
09:09:32mikae1is there a chance you will ever get rockbox on these?
09:09:45Lloreanmikae1: There is if people who own them put forward a concentrated effort to do it...
09:09:49B4gdermikae1: we've seen numerous rip-aparts by now
09:10:02B4gderthe encryption of the firmware is the hard part
09:10:20GodEateralthough to be fair, we don't *KNOW* it's encrypted yet
09:10:21B4gderor rather, the hardest, there may be other hard parts too ,-)
09:10:23GodEaterwe're just assuming ;)
09:10:26B4gdertrue
09:10:27LloreanEither way, if we're under GPLv2 only, almost none of this matters unless a solution for re-licensing happens in the first place
09:10:43GodEateryes
09:11:19B4gderI think the question if we are "v2 or later" or plain v2 drowned in the v3 thread of the list
09:11:24LloreanYeah
09:11:45GodEatersomeone bring it up again :)
09:12:29B4gderyes, soon
09:14:27B4gderafter all, http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/12/i-am-rude-and-mean/ ;-)
09:16:26LloreanMy, you are a horrible person, aren't you.
09:16:30LloreanYou've kept it well hidden.
09:16:37peturB4gder: :)
09:16:39B4gdermy dark secrets are out!
09:17:23GodEaterZend ? That's a threat ?
09:17:28B4gderhaha, yeah
09:17:56GodEaterbet you lay awake at night trembling with fear
09:18:00B4gder"definitely going to discuss your behavior in the next zend php conference"
09:18:14B4gdergolden
09:18:23GodEaterwhat work do you do there ?
09:18:43B4gderI'm a libcurl guy, used by the PHP/CURL extension in PHP
09:18:51B4gderI have nothing to do with zend or php
09:19:21GodEaterso his discussion would run "we should stop using libcurl cos Bagder was mean to me"
09:19:27hachiI... uh... somehow my tag info in the now playing window is exactly one file shifted from what's actually playing
09:19:32scorcheB4gder: you are a jerk
09:19:40B4gderGodEater: possibly, it's a _bit_ unclear to me ;-)
09:19:41GodEaterfollowed closely by "STFU you stupid whiner" I imagine
09:19:52scorcheB4gder: a real biter
09:19:58B4gderI would be thrilled if they truly discussed me
09:20:07GodEatersend us a recording :)
09:20:08B4gderwould be so totally off topic ;-)
09:20:10hachianyone know if this is a known issue? I'd like to possibly report it, but I'm kinda worried I'll have someone just say I must be a nutter and tell me to fix my tags
09:20:52Lloreanhachi: Sometimes it's possible to confuse the playback engine. I'd honestly wait on that, and see if metadata on buffer resolves this when it goes in.
09:20:54GodEateryou're a nutter, fix your tags :)
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09:22:03GodEaterhttp://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;211669437 <−− hahahaha given the mailing list discussion :)
09:22:19B4gderheehhe
09:22:25hachiit's getting worse
09:22:34B4gderthere was also this "gplv3 drives people to freebsd" post yday
09:22:35hachinow it's seeking to partial songs when I switch tracks
09:22:57GodEaterLinus Torvalds is the devil
09:23:12B4gderall linuses are!
09:23:23hachilinus in peanuts?
09:23:33*B4gder holds up his garlic
09:23:40B4gderoh wait, is that not against the devil?
09:24:15scorcheit seems to be all about the money with you!
09:25:17B4gderyeah
09:25:29B4gderstupid me, offering commercial support
09:25:54scorcheyup...you should have never released curl..that would make them happy
09:26:04B4gderwould be much better
09:26:25B4gderI'm mostly amazed by such posts
09:28:21B4gder"I do not care to know your biography and list of efforts" ;-)
09:28:35*B4gder stops the off-topics and goes for a refill
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09:32:20*scorche WONDERS WHY MORE PEOPLE DONT JOIN #ROCKBOX-COMMUNITY
09:32:23scorchewhoops..
09:32:25LloreanHahaha
09:33:49*Llorean isn't quite sure what the most recent feature request is actually asking for.
09:34:36*B4gder shrugs and takes a step backwards
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09:35:10LloreanGoogle gave me a sourceforge project, and that just threw more words at me I didn't really know how to fit together.
09:35:55GodEaterLlorean: how about a comment on the task? "WTF is a convolver" ?
09:36:14B4gderindeed
09:36:36B4gderI like this explanation:
09:36:37LloreanGodEater: It sounds like a made up name for "anything that can be used to add finite impulse response filters"
09:36:40B4gder"The Real-Time Convolver is a hardware / software add-on to the Hypersignal-Acoustic software package which implements very long FIR filters (VLFFs) in real-time."
09:37:03B4gderit is marketing speach for: yada yada yada
09:37:18LloreanBut then it describes "finite impulse response" as "sound files"
09:37:25B4gderbut I guess that underneath there is actually true tech
09:38:20GodEaterdoing what???
09:38:26B4gderI have no idea
09:38:33B4gderconvolving? ;-)
09:39:07LloreanIt sounds like it's just a type of DSP filter that involves two audio files, the source one, and the one that describes the filtering.
09:39:43LloreanWell "just" in the sense that "they've made up a word, rather than describing at all what's going on"
09:40:14LinusNwell, convolution is a pretty defined term in the dsp world
09:40:36B4gderah that's the term then
09:40:45B4gderwikipedia has that
09:41:18GodEaterso what's a "convolver with at least 128 points" then ? :)
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09:47:55GodEaterare we any nearer rescuing forums.rockbox.org ?
09:49:26B4gderthere's talk going on at least
09:49:52GodEaterthat's good news
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09:58:52B4gderhehe, ohloh cut out yday's kudo ranks
09:59:21B4gderthe change the list now is from 10 => 12 sep
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10:24:07GodEater__anyone know why that "quick question on doom" thread got deleted ? It didn't look particularly offensive or stupid to me ?
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11:03:18Peter15hi all
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11:03:36Peter15spricht hier einer deutsch
11:03:45B4gdernope, this is an english channel
11:03:55Peter15oh
11:04:26Peter15my english is to bad
11:04:32GodEaterI'm sure it says that in the IrcGuideLines
11:04:33markunyou'll manage :)
11:05:06markunPeter15: we had a korean guy who used a machine translation program to talk to us, and even that worked :)
11:05:46Peter15the cowon firmware for x5 is = x5l
11:05:55scorcheyes
11:06:04Peter15ok thx
11:07:06B4gderso even when you don't know english, you still use words like "thx" ?
11:07:19Peter15ty
11:07:29GodEaterand ty
11:07:35Peter15:)
11:07:41scorchehow about "thanks" or "thank you" =)
11:07:48Peter15beide
11:07:52Peter15:)
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11:15:22Peter15I must make which files into the file firmware
11:17:47hachiwell that wasn't very nice
11:18:08hachimy ipod was building a new playlist, suddenly flashed white on the screen... and is off now
11:18:22hachiand I have it plugged in right now
11:18:34pixelmaPeter15: which instructions are you following?
11:20:21Peter15no mine english is unfortunately too bad
11:20:42dionoeahachi: it doesn't turn on ?
11:21:35Peter15I try to translate German into English with babel
11:21:58hachidionoea: now I can't get the bloody thing to turn off
11:22:08hachievery time I tell it to shut down, 10 seconds later it wakes up
11:22:24dionoeawhile being plugged ?
11:22:38hachiI've tried to leave it in ipl (instead of shutting down) and it reboots every few minutes now too
11:22:46hachijeeze, this hardware is weirdly made
11:22:48hachiyeah
11:22:54hachipower plugged, not data
11:25:25amiconnMost DAPs can't be shut down physically while being connected to the charger
11:25:57hachiwell, it keeps dying because it needs to charge the battery
11:26:10hachiso we've got a catch22 situation in hardware here, thanks apple
11:27:56hachioh wait no, we've got a disconnect in terminology
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11:28:04hachiI mean to say sleep, not off
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11:29:23FergoFrogHi, does anyone know how to use UiSimulator's debugwps feature?
11:29:45bluebrotherjust use the −−debugwps command line option
11:30:00FergoFrogYer but where's the dump?
11:30:07hachiI really appreciate the rockbox ability to walk backwards even when shuffling
11:30:08bluebrotherthe dump is on stdout
11:30:18FergoFrogstdout?
11:30:25bluebrotherstandard output
11:30:28bluebrotheron the console.
11:33:34gammyHmm this info is probably on the wiki but I'll drop it here anyway: Is there some sort of emulation code for the rockbox plugin system?
11:33:51bluebrothergammy: see the UiSimulator wiki page
11:34:37gammyahh thank you bluebrother.
11:34:50gammyI need to reserve some time to play with rockbox more.
11:35:01FergoFrogDoesn't work
11:35:20bluebrothermaybe tell some more details? It works fine for me
11:35:53FergoFrog******@ ~/ipod-video-sim-w32
11:35:53FergoFrog$ ls
11:35:53FergoFrogSDL.dll archos checkwps.bat rockboxui.exe
11:35:53DBUGEnqueued KICK FergoFrog
11:35:53FergoFrogUI256.bmp background.bat help.bat zoom.bat
11:35:53FergoFrog******@********* ~/ipod-video-sim-w32
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11:35:53FergoFrog$ ./rockboxui.exe −−debugwps
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11:36:11FergoFrogIt doesn't output anything?
11:36:16bluebrothererr ... first, please use a pastebin for multi-line pastes
11:36:22bluebrothersecond, you're on linux?
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11:36:35FergoFrogNo, cygwin
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11:36:46FergoFrogWorks better.
11:37:00gammyHow do you guys get time for hacking on rockbox?
11:37:05bluebrotherand the binary is from rashers page?
11:38:27FergoFroghttp://pastebin.com/m20530cb5
11:38:35FergoFrogIf you want multi line
11:41:04markungammy: by failing exams
11:41:14gammymarkun: Ah still studying then?
11:41:33FergoFrogbluebrother: can you help?
11:41:55bluebrothermaybe rasher has disabled debug output with his binary?
11:42:08rasherNope
11:42:14bluebrotherwell, it works fine on linux here. The windows binary indeed doesn't show any output
11:42:16markungammy: yes, but working as well. I didn't do any serious rockbox programming for months :(
11:42:20rasherThe only thing I do out of the ordinary is to strip the binaries
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11:42:43amiconnbluebrother: ?? Debug output is working fine on windows...
11:42:52bluebrotherhmm. No idea.
11:43:01FergoFrogYer, i have also tried the −−help operator but i can't get any output.
11:43:03bluebrotheramiconn: how? rasher's binary doesn't show any output for me
11:43:25FergoFrogI used the precompiled UiSimulator
11:43:39amiconnErm, I didn't try rasher's binaries. I referred to sims compiled on cygwin
11:43:42FergoFrogamiconn: did you compile
11:43:52amiconnsure
11:44:04FergoFrogWhat's rasher's binaries?
11:44:07bluebrotherrasher: you're cross-compiling from linux, right?
11:44:59bluebrotherFergoFrog: you noticed that the prebuild binaries are not hosted on rockbox.org?
11:45:21FergoFrogYes they are hosted on rasher.dk
11:45:40bluebrotherand the guy who builds those binaries is rasher. So those are rashers binaries.
11:45:41FergoFrograsher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ if you want the url
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11:46:26FergoFrogYes.
11:46:32pixelmaFergoFrog: why do you use ./rockboxui.exe?
11:46:55FergoFrogIt uses the folder i was in.
11:47:02FergoFrogI use cgywin not cmd
11:47:04bluebrotherpixelma: he's on cygwin ;)
11:47:28FergoFrogSo should i just compile my self
11:47:40markunFergoFrog: or bug rasher :)
11:47:57FergoFrogLol... rasher
11:50:03FergoFrogHow do i compile myself, what files do i need.
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11:51:44pixelmabluebrother: me too, but I don't use precompiled sims ;)
11:53:28bluebrotherinteresting news for all vmware users: open-vm-tools released http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/index.php
11:56:25FergoFrogCool
11:58:49rasherI think this might simply be a win32 problem. At one point sdl created "stdout.txt" and "stderr.txt" files in the dir of the binary
11:59:40gammyyeah it doesn't do that anymore.
11:59:44gammyIf I remember correctly.
11:59:56rasherI'm willing to bet that compiling the sim for windows in any way will produce this behavior
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12:00:05rasher(windows being different form cygwin)
12:00:25amiconnNope
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12:00:34rasheramiconn: nope what?
12:01:00amiconnThe sdl sim is compiled under cygwin as a pure win32 binary which doesn't need cygwin installed in order to run (-mno_cygwin)
12:02:08amiconnIt only needs sdl.dll (either in the program dir or available system wide)
12:02:21rasherStill, compiling under cygwin uses different flags etc. than compiling directly for windows (from linux)
12:02:33amiconnDoes it?
12:02:46rasherWell *something* is different
12:03:58FergoFrogI'm compiling myself how big should the ram be?
12:04:05FergoFrogJust 32megs
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12:07:20GodEaterFergoFrog: compiling for what ?
12:08:21FergoFrogEarlier convo... Compiling own simulator.
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12:18:33solatishello, i was wondering
12:18:45solatisis any archos model supported ?
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12:19:03solatisor is it just the models that are listed on the sites ?
12:19:20B4gderthat list contains several archos models
12:19:31B4gderbut yes, the list lists all the supported models
12:19:39solatissince i was considering buying a flash-based portable music player, and the archos 105 caught my eye
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12:20:00B4gderget a sansa e200
12:21:42solatishmmm, i'm confused −− is the whole sansa e200 series supported ? since i only see e250, e260, etc listed on the sandisk site
12:21:52dionoeayes
12:21:56ddaltonwhat is "Using m68k-elf-ld 2.16 "?
12:22:00ddaltonmean?
12:22:02B4gdere250, e260 and e280 are just different sizes
12:22:05solatisyeah
12:22:08solatissame firmware
12:22:17markunsolatis: the e200 doesn't even exist as a player
12:22:35B4gderddalton: that the build was/is built using that ld (binutils) version
12:22:38ddaltonso what 50 gb 60 gb and 80 gb?
12:22:49solatismarkun, i noticed that ;)
12:22:57markunddalton: dream on :)
12:22:59B4gderno 2gb, 4gb and 8gb
12:23:13ddaltono ok sorry...
12:23:14B4gderthe sansas are flash
12:23:28ddaltonok then
12:23:38ddaltonare they a good player?
12:23:50B4gderby what standards?
12:24:42bluebrotherI disliked the buttons on the sansa pretty much when I had one in my hands
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12:24:54solatishmmm... 2GB for 65 euro's or 4GB for 87 euro's.. decisions decisions
12:25:26pixelmamarkun: why? E.g. 40GB = 32GB microSD (as soon as available) plus 8GB internal ;)
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12:25:26*bluebrother notices a stray possibly plural 's :)
12:25:42B4gderwell the sansas are basically the only flash players around that can run rockbox
12:25:49B4gderI mean, around to be found new
12:26:00solatisipod nano is not flash-based ?
12:26:08bluebrotherit is, but it's out of production
12:26:15bluebrotherand 2nd gen is not supported
12:26:47solatisaha
12:27:09SliMMwhy didn't you keep the link to the changing during the 'last 4 weeks'
12:27:13SliMM?
12:28:28markunpixelma: ok, then I take it back ;)
12:28:54bluebrotherbecause the new frontpage is awful anyway? ;-)
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13:21:38peturB4gder: I didn't know Rockbox was invited to the GSoC Mentor Summit?
13:22:53B4gderwe aren't
13:22:57peturWe are
13:23:19peturLeslie mailed a list of all orgs
13:23:23B4gderI haven't got an invite at lest
13:23:40peturcheck the "List of Organizations Invited to the Mentor Summit" mail
13:23:57B4gderurl?
13:24:04scorchewhere is this summit?
13:24:10peturit was a mail
13:24:12scorchemountain view?
13:24:21B4gderwell, I haven't got any such mail
13:24:44*petur tries to forward
13:24:58B4gderperhaps gmail ate it! ,-)
13:25:50peturwell the formal invitation of them was reported as spam by their own filter :)
13:26:15B4gderI just searched for "summit" in my gmail and there was no match
13:26:22preglowB4gder: i told you yesterday :P
13:26:35B4gderI hardly use my gmail so I would assume I should see it
13:26:44B4gderits not like it drowns among anything else
13:27:08B4gderpreglow: yes, and I tried to find some info about this summit on their site
13:27:09peturgot it now? I forwarded it to your haxx.se address
13:27:11B4gderbut failed
13:27:52peturfound a link to the group too: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/browse_thread/thread/16896b515556878c
13:28:43B4gderand his follow-up there might mean something
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13:29:41preglownote...
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13:35:02JetonI see on the main page this: Faster video rendering for e200 and Gigabeat
13:35:21Jetondoes it mean higher fps for Sansa?
13:35:43markunyes
13:35:52markun(it should)
13:35:59LloreanIt may not be measurably higher though. :)
13:36:22LloreanHe didn't specify how much of a performance increase it is.
13:36:25Jetonoh, but it's an improvement. (?)
13:37:10aliaskAnyone familiar with the internals of an iPod mini?
13:38:19markunJeton: if you have a sansa player you could just try it
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13:38:50Jetonwill do now :)
13:38:58*Llorean wonders if Mike's going to stop optimizing video on Gigabeat at any point before it can play back DVDs.
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13:39:50Jetonif i understand correctly it's not in SVN yet tough, http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changelogs/changes-20070912.html
13:40:05LloreanJeton: Why are you looking at the daily instead of the current build?
13:40:12B4gderJeton: it is in svn
13:40:18B4gderyou read commit message
13:40:22B4gder+the
13:40:53*Jeton is learning something new everyday :D
13:43:21*jhMikeS decided to be a little mysterious
13:43:49jhMikeSbut I will say the framerate increase is substatial
13:44:01Jetonwell, a video that appeared jerky before doesn't appear jerky at all now.
13:44:09Jetonwhich is great.
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13:44:21jhMikeSI suppose it worked then :)
13:44:29Jetonyeah
13:44:34Jetonthanks
13:44:59LloreanjhMikeS: Substantial on Gigabeat too?
13:45:21jhMikeSeven there yes
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13:47:01jhMikeSit uses no multiplication and no chroma buffer which both help big time
13:53:11scorchehrm...xd cards and smartmedia card readers can actually be used to dump nand flash chips...didnt knwo that one
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14:11:07aliaskhaha removing an ipod mini from its case while rockbox is on gives a prefetch abort at coedbabe
14:11:28aliaskNo idea why though :P
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14:13:43qweruDoes anybody know where I can find a precompiled deutsch.lang voice file? The one on the wiki is from June.
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14:18:49pixelmaqweru: you also need to say for what player you need it
14:18:57einhirnWhy is there a Submenu to the "Playlists" Main menu entry? I can access all functions listed in there via the WPS context menu, can't I? To me it hinders my way to access the Playlists.
14:19:00qwerusansa e280
14:19:59einhirnI probably can remove that submenu, and could provide a patch, but wanted to hear other opinions/reasons for it's existence.
14:20:00GodEatereinhirn: what do you suggest instead ?
14:20:12einhirnJust go to the list of Playlists directly
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14:20:55LloreanThere should be nothing that's exclusive to the Context Menu unless it's only ever useful in that context, though.
14:20:57markuneinhirn: it's also what I suggested, but the argument was that you shouldn't be able to view theplaylist if there is none
14:21:26einhirnIn english the Menu point is called "Playlists" and I was very astonished (!?) that i got a submenu instead of a list of playlists.
14:22:11markuneinhirn: feel free to make a patch, I'm all for it
14:22:14einhirnLlorean: Ok, I get that. It just seems redundant. And in my case obstructing?
14:23:53einhirnmarkun: maybe we misunderstood each other? When I first used the "Playlists" menu I was expecting to see the playlists I moved to the Playlists folder. Instead I saw some commands (create, view, save) that I rarely ever use ;)
14:24:30pixelmaI don't understand what you are suggesting, I mean you can do more than just viewing the current playlistfrom there (like using the playlist catalog)
14:25:06markuneinhirn: yes, we minsunderstood eachother :)
14:26:12einhirnpixelma: "playlist catalog"- thats the word I was missing. I thought that entering the Menu point "Playlists" would bring me directly to the playlist catalog - not to some playlist related functions _and_ the playlist catalog.
14:28:15pixelmawhy not? You can save the current playlist from there and save it even if it's not playing...
14:28:46pixelmaor create a new one
14:28:58einhirnSo maybe it's just the name being un-intuitive.
14:29:28einhirnBut "create one" is an obscure function.
14:31:18einhirnI started it and it went to build "/root.m3u8" - why? Obviously I currently was in root - but how is that function useful via the main menu? It clearly is related to files or browsing, so why not put it in that context menu?
14:32:00einhirn(yes I know that there is a point Playlist in that context menu already - it just doesn't do the same as the "create playlist" function in the main menu)
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14:32:57einhirnI'll provide a patch to remove it - this way I customize rockbox to my liking and maybe it even gets committed.
14:33:07maxkelleypixelma: you around?
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14:33:40maxkelleyI wanted to let you know that I replied to your comment on the sansa keymap patch, fs#7749.
14:33:56pixelmaI'll take a look
14:33:57einhirn(interestingly my patch to "delete currently playing track" ended up as a duplicate - someone had the same Idea ;) )
14:34:22LinusNeinhirn: there is a small quirk if you move the playlist creation to the browser context menu
14:34:41einhirnLinusN: Ok, what is it?
14:34:52LinusNin the browser, the context is defined as "the item the cursor is placed on"
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14:35:16LinusNwhich means that there is no way to select the root directory for playlist creation
14:35:32einhirnWhile the Playlist creation uses "current" directory.
14:35:37LinusNyes
14:35:49*bluebrother wonders why plugin keymaps should be critical for a port
14:36:05maxkelleybluebrother: how else would you play doom?!?!
14:36:20bluebrothermaxkelley: remove doom!
14:36:22maxkelleywell, to the completeness of the port.
14:36:23bluebrother:)
14:36:42preglowwhy do people think the ipod nano problems somehow pertains to retailos version?
14:36:44bluebrotherstill I don't consider this as anything similar as critical
14:37:36pixelmamaxkelley: will give you a small patch in a few...
14:37:51Lloreanpreglow: For a while the only obvious difference was retail version, we disproved that but it was a "possibility" for a bit.
14:38:02pixelmamaxkelley: or should I post it the tracker?
14:38:27einhirnSo can't I deduce the current path from "the item the cursor is placed on"? Or is this a "human interaction" instead of a technical quirk?
14:38:44maxkelleypixelma: you can post it to the tracker, I'm at school anyways so I can't test it.
14:38:45Lloreaneinhirn: How do you place the curser on "Root"?
14:39:03maxkelleylater tonight, I'll test it.
14:39:09pixelmaok
14:39:17maxkelleythanks :)
14:39:32einhirnOk, the "create playlist" uses the current directory as a target, right?
14:40:29maxkelleyalright, I
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14:41:35einhirnLlorean: I see - if one places the cursor on a subdirectory, that subdirectory is used to create a playlist.
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14:42:45einhirnLlorean: and you expect confusion if "create playlist" suddenly uses the "current directory" in the context menu of a "directory Item" (eg. the parent of the selected directory)
14:42:52LloreanYes
14:43:00LloreanBecause the Context Menu is explicitly "Things to do to the selected item"
14:43:19LloreanIt's like Right Clicking in Windows, you don't expect it to perform actions on items other than those highlighted.
14:43:32XtaZeehas anyone tried to get rockbox working on diy hardware?
14:43:56einhirnOk, except when you click into "white space", then you operate on the "current directory" ;)
14:44:19scorcheXtaZee: there has been talk, but what hardware are you thinking of?
14:44:34scorcheeinhirn: but then nothing is highlighted...
14:44:40XtaZeescorche: Nothing special... I was pondering building something like the yampp or something myself..
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14:44:46XtaZeeabit more advanced though
14:44:58einhirnLlorean: Simple solution - just add a "virtual root directory" item *g*
14:45:31LloreanBecause that's so much simpler than "leave it as it is, because it works"?
14:45:33einhirnLike '.' in most operating systems command shell ;)
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14:45:51XtaZeei know it's a bit overkill, but could RockBox be convinced to work on a Gumstix for example?
14:45:57scorcheXtaZee: pretty much all DIY hardware i have seen is similar to the ipodshuffle and wouldnt gain much
14:45:57scorcheeinhirn: solution to what?...i dont see a problem to solve
14:46:20LinusNXtaZee: http://www.diva-portal.org/diva/getDocument?urn_nbn_se_liu_diva-7114-1__fulltext.pdf
14:46:37petureinhirn: . and .. actually exist as dir entries on FAT... not very virtual...
14:46:59einhirnLlorean: No, but I am unsatisfied with the way that particular Menu entry works ;)
14:47:20petureinhirn: except in the root
14:47:35einhirnpetur: damn fat ;)
14:48:06scorcheeinhirn: then make a patch for yourself...i havent seen anyone else complain about it really and adding "." and ".." would just add plenty of confusion
14:48:23markunXtaZee: which one of the Gumstix are you thinking of?
14:48:31einhirnscorche: seems like I'm the lone ranger again ;)
14:49:50scorcheLinusN: where did this come from?...i hadnt heard about this project...
14:50:30LinusNit's a master thesis by some swedish guys that asked me for help
14:51:28LinusN"Finally we would like to thank all the Rockbox developers, especially Linus Nielsen Feltzing for all the help on getting the development environment working" :-)
14:51:49scorcheis this the same anders that was at devcon?
14:51:53LinusNnope
14:52:11LinusNi have never met them in person :-)
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14:53:41einhirnLlorean: I hope I don't bother you just tooo much, but what has "Playlist Catalog -> View Catalog" to do with "Things to do to the selected item"?
14:53:59LinusNeinhirn: now that is a much better question
14:54:13einhirnI'll stop now, produce a patch that hopefully makes a sense and submit it.
14:54:31LloreanjhMikeS: Alright, I got 45fps in fullscreen elephant's dream, but it hung at the last spinup before the end of the movie.
14:55:08Lloreaneinhirn: From the WPS it makes sense, since you can add the currently playing(selected) song to the Playlist, right?
14:55:09scorcheLinusN: looks like the rockbox wiki was a great help to them =)
14:55:17LinusN:-)
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14:55:36einhirnLinusN: the same way I could add "create playlist from current directory" to the context menu of any item.
14:55:56LloreanjhMikeS: I seem to recall this bug has been around a while, but only happens when "Limit FPS" is turned off.
14:56:02XtaZeemarkun: aren't they all basically the same, just different speeds?
14:56:11einhirnLlorean : I specifically meant "View Catalog" - that doesn't do anything with the current item, does it?
14:56:36scorcheLinusN: ick...i hate spotting typos in a master's thesis
14:57:03Lloreaneinhirn: If it serves no use in that menu, it should probably be removed, yes.
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15:00:16markunXtaZee: I just had a quick look at the site. What about audio, storage and screen?
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15:01:22jhMikeSLlorean: it can happen with it on as well. it's because the parsing gets past the end of what's actually buffered and aborts.
15:01:54LloreanIf the buffering is slow for some reason, or?
15:02:00einhirnLlorean: How to create a new directory in root employing the strict "operate on selected Item" policy?
15:02:30jhMikeSif the bitrate is too high for the buffer ahead
15:02:43jhMikeSdisk spinup, etc.
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15:03:07bowlRE: selecting the root folder for context actions: couldn't selecting the "Files" entry in the main menu be considered as selecting the root?
15:03:58Lloreaneinhirn: At which point you're now being argumentative rather than trying to use common sense. I said it was "explicitly" things to do, not strictly or exclusively.
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15:04:27Lloreaneinhirn: File and Folder creation, by common interface sense, happens in the folder you see rather than in what you have selected.
15:05:05LloreanIn many file managers you have to click in the whitespace, but that is not an option in Rockbox.
15:05:45jhMikeSLlorean: when you said "hung" you meant the player was locked?
15:05:55LloreanjhMikeS: No, playback just ceased to move forward.
15:06:01jhMikeSah, ok.
15:06:05LloreanI pressed Power and left Mpegplayer, and everything seemed fine
15:06:22LloreanDidn't try to play anything else though, just shut it off
15:06:31einhirnLlorean: Ok I think I went over the top with that - but does "create playlist" from main menu (!) - by common interface sense - create a recursive playlist rooting in the currently browsed directory?
15:06:54jhMikeSit's fine. the video stream just stopped itself then.
15:06:59Lloreaneinhirn: "Create Playlist" in the main menu wouldn't have any common interface sense associated with it, so I'd hope the user would actually look at the manual
15:07:32LloreanI don't think there's any "common ground" upon which a user should have expectation for Create Playlist, if it doesn't offer them a file browser from which to select files
15:09:02einhirnAs I said previously - I'll create a patch and submit it, then either discussion and modification of the patch follows, or committing or rejecting.
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15:10:54einhirnNow to something completely different - Could we start a poll with rockbox users to decide if the Quickscreen for "F3" is wasted space?
15:11:16LloreanRockbox isn't exactly a democracy...
15:11:27einhirnYup, I tend to forget ;)
15:11:30*jhMikeS thinks the e200 and meg-fx asm files should be combined. they're identical and maintaining two identical files is pointless imho. :\
15:11:35LloreanYou'd be better off coming up with something you think is an acceptable replacement, and posting a patch.
15:12:23markunjhMikeS: and just put it in firmware/target/arm ?
15:12:29einhirnHmm - maybe I first provide a patch so that I can exit the F3 Quickscreen by pressing F3 again.
15:12:51jhMikeSmarkun: it would be useable on all arm targets with the memmapped graphics ram setup
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15:13:22amiconneinhirn: While you are at it - could you perhaps come up with an action mapping that reintroduces the true quick operation mode?
15:13:40einhirnquick operation mode?
15:13:42jhMikeSthe S uses memmapped graphic ram too?
15:14:18LloreanEvery time I use the radio, I'm reminded how much I hate the controls for the radio screen. =/
15:14:40markunjhMikeS: I'm pretty sure
15:14:54amiconneinhirn: Quickscreens are (or were) supposed to be usable in 2 ways (recorder example):
15:15:20amiconn(1, slow) Short press of F2 (or F3) to enter it. Press Left, Down, or Right multiple times to adjust options. Press F2 (resp. F3) again to leave the quickscreen
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15:16:03amiconn(2, quick) Press and hold F2 or F3 to enter it. Press Left, Down, Right to adjust options. Release F2 (resp. F3) to leave the quickscreen
15:16:20einhirnOh, I see.
15:16:25amiconn(2) doesn't work since the action concept was introduced
15:16:36einhirnHmm - maybe.
15:16:38amiconn(and even 1 doesn't work properly)
15:17:11jhMikeSmarkun: I guess lcd-as-memgram.S or somthing would make alot of sense then. three copies of same file would be nasty.
15:17:49einhirnYou don't suppose that could be done by defining key combinations? Like "F1+On"?
15:18:02einhirnOk, That doesn't quite match what you described..
15:20:30einhirnI guess that the action concept doesn't split Key presses into "make" and "break" like PC keyboard?
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15:26:03einhirnLlorean: I once had a patch for an F3 Menu - but I can't find it in the Patch tracker anymore - maybe it got lost because It was too "custom" or something.
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15:34:43bowlAny comments on the idea "Files (in main menu) = root folder for context actions (e.g. add to playlist)"?
15:38:15GodEaterI think it's a stupid idea, because then you can't use context actions on files in the root folder
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15:39:03LloreanGodEater: I think he means the actual "Files" option from the menu
15:39:11LloreanRather than using the context menu from within the root.
15:39:24LloreanBut since "Files" doesn't consistently point to the root, that kinda brings up an inconsistency
15:40:26GodEaterah ok
15:40:44GodEaterFiles already has a context menu too doesn't it ?
15:40:51LloreanNo clue, honestly
15:41:34GodEateryes it does ;)
15:41:53bowlGodEater: yes, almost all entries in the main menu, if not all, habe context menues
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15:42:25GodEaterin fact, Playlists doesn't
15:42:31GodEaternor Plugins
15:42:42GodEatereverything else does
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15:45:12bowlI'm not proposing adding an entry to the File's context menu. But if we'd like to have "Add to playlist" for the root dir, we could use "File" for this since it's the only reasonable place
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15:45:42LloreanIf I recall, "Add to Playlist" is a good deal slower than "Create Playlist" anyway
15:45:43bowlIMHO of course
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15:46:14GodEaterLlorean: why should that be ?
15:47:25LloreanI'm not actually sure why, but I seem to recall it being that "Add To" has to do it a certain way, because it's actually adding individual entries, while "Create" doesn't, but I may be misremembering.
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15:58:23einhirnHmm - I didn't know the possibility of "Context menu" in the Main menu existed - so just add the functions from the "Playlists" sub menu to a "Playlists" context menu. That way they'd be out of my way, and still usable in their old way.
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15:59:33GodEateranyone else tried out FS7738 on a clickwheel ipod yet ?
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16:24:28BuschelGodEater: regarding my patch -> could you please try to inser a new line in line 236?
16:24:34Buschel*insert
16:25:02GodEateryep, that appears to work (at least, the patch error isn't there anymore) ;)
16:25:52GodEaterany idea why it happens ?
16:26:18BuschelI hacked the .patch-outputfile :(
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16:30:19tarballzanybody know of a theme that looks like iTunes that is not on rockbox.org? i just started using rockbox, and i think i missed the ones that where removed for "copyright" issues
16:31:47tarballznevermind...i just read the irc rules
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16:32:21GodEaterBuschel: works great :)
16:33:03Buschelgood news :)
16:33:21GodEaterhas jhMikes still got issues with it ?
16:33:28GodEateror is it pretty much ready to go now ?
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16:34:34GodEaterBuschel: shall I upload my edited patch so that others can try it ?
16:35:02BuschelGodEater: just updated it myself ;)
16:35:06GodEatercool :)
16:35:15GodEaterwant me to test apply it again to check ?
16:35:50BuschelGodEater: jhMikeS wanted to change the kind of configuration
16:35:56amiconnImo it doesn't make sense to have wheel acceleration 2 times in the source
16:36:09amiconnRather, ipods should define HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL as well
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16:36:48amiconnHmm, do they in the patch? :confused:
16:36:57GodEateryes
16:37:05GodEaterthe changes are in the clickwheel driver iiuc
16:37:15GodEaterso it works like the sansa wheel now
16:37:17amiconnWhat about the new setting?
16:37:39GodEateryou mean the wheelspeed one ?
16:38:02amiconnyes
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16:38:08GodEaterwhat about it ?
16:38:16pixelmabluebrother: for a new crossreference (which is only an item in a subsection) I need to give that item a label in order to use "ref:" in the chapter I want to link from - or do I overlook something?
16:38:49amiconnIt wasn't there before, not even for sansa
16:39:04GodEaterI've never seen a sansa
16:39:06GodEaterso I wouldn't know
16:39:12GodEaterwhat's wrong with it anyway ?
16:39:41bluebrotherpixelma: you need to assign a label. The name of that label is arbitrary, but we used some common prefixes (like "ref:")
16:40:46pixelmaah, thanks
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16:41:05BuschelGodEater/amiconn: the new setting can be sued to tweak the speed and starting point of the acceleration. If we find a good default we could also drop this configuration and use a "hard" define.
16:41:08amiconnI wonder why the patch adds a setting if it's just a port of the sansa wheel acceleration to ipods
16:41:12Buschel*used
16:41:33GodEaterI like the fact that it's configurable personally
16:43:27einhirnQuestion: In the online version of the Manual (at least the Archos Recorder V1 version) - why is the "next" link listed on the left, while the "Prev" link is listed on the right? In a left-to-right-language I'd assume to access the next page/chapter/whatever by clicking somewhere right.
16:46:19bluebrothereinhirn: that's just the default how htlatex creates it. I never bothered about changing it.
16:46:35markunweird default
16:46:53einhirnmarkun : i'd say so... ;)
16:48:09einhirnAnyway, no top priority, I think - just weird. I found out about it when clicking without watching and wondering why I moved back instead of forward through the chapters.
16:48:43bluebrotherfile a task in the tracker if you want to. I guess it's not hard to change, but htlatex' documentation is really ... bad :o
16:49:47bluebrotherone could also argue that if you want to skip the chapter it's better to have "next" first ...
16:50:26pixelmathat reminds me that I still haven't set up tex4ht under cygwin :\
16:51:14qweruWhere can I find a recent german voice file for a Sansa E200? I am happy to compile my own but my rockbox vmware image is from 2006 and I was unable to install any of the 3 TTS on it.
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16:51:52einhirnbluebrother: on the other hand I have yet to see another page navigation like the htlatex default.
16:52:22bluebrotherwell, I don't care much about the order of the navigation as long as it works ;)
16:52:42einhirnOf course - just that it is non-intuitive ;)
16:52:58bluebrotherI'm struggling with this stupid w32 api :(
16:53:14GodEatere200rinstaller ?
16:53:30einhirnIs there a way to patch it in the build system and submit it? IE point out the place to look for the htlatex command line...
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16:53:55GodEatereinhirn: of course, the manual is in svn too
16:54:00bluebrotherGodEater: no, only usb detection for now.
16:54:18GodEaterbluebrother: but with that as the ultimate goal though I assume ?
16:54:52bluebrotherwell, my first goal is to allow device detection based on usb ids without requiring a driver on windows.
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16:55:25bluebrotherif we can detect the e200r properly we can tell the user to install a driver (unless we do this automatically or it's already installed)
16:55:53einhirnGodEater: I'll grep for it, maybe I can "fix" this weird behaviour.
16:56:01bluebrothereinhirn: check manual/rockbox-html.cfg
16:56:09einhirnAh, thanks ;)
16:56:33bluebrothernot sure if you can change the order in that file −− I only adjusted some css stuff (and it's been a while)
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16:57:16einhirnBut first I have to leave and do some stuff in the big blue room.
16:57:20einhirnbye
16:58:22bluebrotherhave fun
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16:58:44amiconnbluebrother: We can install the driver almost automatically once we know it is needed. Did you think about the detection of ipods connected via firewire though?
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16:59:29bluebrotherhaven't thought about that. But Ipods can get detected just fine using ipodpatcher, so I assume this should work using firewire as well
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17:01:15amiconnYes that does work, as long as the partitioning is intact
17:01:58bluebrotherthe Ipods also have some gaps in the DeviceDetection table. At least for the minis there is a id clash
17:03:34amiconnWhere do you see a gap?
17:04:43amiconnAll ipods with USB are listed
17:04:56amiconn(all supported ones)
17:06:37bluebrotherah, overlooked that 1G and 2G don't have usb
17:07:01bluebrotherbut 4G and Color might have an ID collision, as mini 1G and 2G.
17:07:26bluebrother(PID 1203 and 1205)
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18:06:55Buscheloops, can anyone change FS #7763 from bug to patch? Did a mistake when creating it...
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18:08:24n1sBuschel: You might want to add a short descrition of what you changed to the task
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18:16:30Buscheln1s: thanks. added comment with changes
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19:38:06bluebrotherpixelma: back, but only for a few minutes.
19:40:46pixelmaI'm currently experimenting myself a bit, maybe I'll find the solution - otherwise I might have a question later
19:41:06bluebrotherI'll be out until ~22.30h or so tonight.
19:42:08pixelmaok, no hurry. The spliteditor chapter was outdated for so long that another few hours don't hurt ;)
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19:50:01pixelmabluebrother: gave you a link, would be nice if you could take a look (if you still have a few minutes of course)
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19:55:00GodEater_still not source code from "blackhawk" then :(
19:55:03GodEater_s/not/no
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20:00:45GodEater_the guy who did the "port" to the motorola phone
20:00:56GodEater_he's refused to release his modified code so far
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20:14:03BigMacGodEater_: You should
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20:22:13XavierGrGodEater: is there proof that it works, or is it once again a hoax?
20:26:07XavierGrnevermind it seems that some use it already...
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20:27:41preglowi like the size of the static rbutilqt binary on linux :P
20:28:56preglowbtw, nice work on it, this seems a lot nicer than the wx version
20:31:00LearNot just "QT-static" or what?
20:31:09preglowseems more solid too
20:31:52desowinstatic binaries are always huge
20:32:34preglowdesowin: yeah, but ten gigs :PPP it's not 100% static either, just qt
20:33:10preglowehh, megs, not gigs
20:33:36desowingees, 10GB of file :D hehe, sometimes typos are nasty
20:35:58*preglow wants some good wpses for christmas
20:36:12peturhahaha
20:36:18preglowmost of the current ones just seem... bland
20:36:29*petur gets reminded of xmas lemmings :)
20:37:02preglowhahaha
20:37:32preglowman, rbutil is a right nice little thing now
20:37:44peturwhat about a beer theme ? :p
20:37:49preglowhahah
20:38:05preglownow, i love beer, but i think i'll just allow that to not to decide my choice of wps :P
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20:47:24preglowwhy isn't a shared bin build as well? and why no 64 bit? :>
20:47:27pixelmapetur: is a beer theme one you only like after drinking a few? ;)
20:47:54peturhehe
20:51:04preglowhow is devices currently autodetected?
20:51:28krazykitwhat's the preferred license for a WPS?
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20:57:59Domonokykrazykit: yup.. thats good..
20:58:38krazykitjust want to be sure others can change the work as they like :D
20:58:40LearAre sansas noticeably faster than ipods, or about the same? (In terms of UI lag while playing, amount of audio processing possible...)
20:59:57Domonokywhat is the problem with e200rpatcher and libusb on windows ? (i can compile it, but i cant test (no e200r here) )..
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21:04:17amiconnLear: I have no sansa, but it should be in the same performance range as the ipods (with the ipods varying a lot as well)
21:04:27amiconnIt's the same cpu core(s) after all
21:05:23LearYes, but the CPU is supposed to be a little faster (higher clock, according to specs), question is, is it noticeable?
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21:05:46amiconnIn rockbox we don't use higher clock
21:06:01LearSaw that the e280 could be found for a quite nice price, so I'm considering it....
21:06:43krazykiti haven't noticed any lag in the UI on the sansa
21:09:26GodEater_as opposed to lag on ?
21:09:51desowinspeaking of e280 - is it normal that I can hear in headphones that data is being loaded from flash into ram?
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21:16:29willb3is there an svn for rockbox?
21:16:37GodEater_svn.rockbox.org
21:16:46Domonokyhm e200rpatcher on win32 seems to work for me, as far as i can test without a e200r :-) at least it correctly enumarates the product and vendor ids.. :-)
21:16:59GodEater_willb3: more details on the website, in the wiki
21:17:10maxkelleypixelma: thanks for the patch.
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21:17:12GodEater_Domonoky: that's positive
21:17:39willb3ok thanks
21:19:43DomonokyGodEater_: do you know what the exact problem with e200rpatcher on win32 is ? The commit messages only say it doesnt work..
21:20:40GodEater_only that most people have not had any success with e200tool on windows due to libusb problems
21:20:53GodEater_I'm guessing the same assumption was made for e200rpatcher
21:21:05willb3is there a development chat room
21:21:07GodEater_you're the first person I've heard of that's attempted to run it though
21:21:11GodEater_willb3: you're in it
21:21:14willb3ok!
21:21:36GodEater_Domonoky: scorche may have tried it as well - but if so I've missed his reports
21:21:36willb3is anyone working on usb host support?
21:21:41GodEater_willb3: yes
21:22:04pixelmadepends on the player
21:22:19willb3have there been any successes
21:22:29GodEater_willb3: what pixelma says is true - we're working on it for portalplayer based devices only
21:22:30pixelmaI know of no-one who's working on X5 host support for example
21:22:32willb3looking into writing a driver for ipodlinux
21:22:43willb3right
21:22:48pixelma(usb host that is)
21:22:54GodEater_willb3: austriancoder and petur are the people to talk to
21:23:00willb3thanks
21:23:01GodEater_not sure if either are here currently though
21:23:11amiconnThe current work on PP is for usb *device* support
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21:23:20*GodEater_ apologises to anyone else working on it that he's unaware of
21:23:35GodEater_amiconn: but host support is in the pipeline too is it not ?
21:23:40GodEater_behind device support
21:23:53amiconnI don't know. I doubt it (for PP)
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21:24:22GodEater_I could have sworn I'd seen some comments on using the ipod to store (for example) camera images and such
21:24:31GodEater_perhaps I dreamt it
21:24:37amiconnThere wouldn't be many people who could use it, as I'm not aware of an adapter for usb host mode
21:25:10GodEater_there are definitely adaptors for cameras
21:25:18GodEater_I've seen such that work with the apple firmware
21:25:20amiconnSO everyone who wanted to use it would have to solder one (and need the proprietary ipod plug to start with)
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21:25:38amiconnHmm, still...
21:25:46GodEater_amiconn: I agree it's a niche market
21:25:50maxkelleythere's one for ti calcs :)
21:25:54amiconnWe don't even have usb host on H300 yet - and that chip is documented...
21:26:17amiconn(and the OF does usb host)
21:26:22GodEater_presumably because no-one's cared enough to do it
21:26:27FebsPetur created a wiki page on it a few months back: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbOnTheGoSupport
21:26:52GodEater_good call Febs
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21:28:10preglowanything recent happened to usb? i want rockbox disk mode :/
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21:28:51amiconnpreglow: Any special reason?
21:29:00preglowamiconn: annoying usb bugs
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21:29:19preglowit just gets stuck at the icon half the time
21:29:26*amiconn wonders how our own disk mode would magically fix these bugs
21:29:49GodEater_amiconn: because Rockbox is just magically better when it's all our own code :)
21:30:13GodEater_<−− wearing the face of a Rockbox zealot right now
21:30:16preglowjust hoping the bug will manifest itself in some other less annoying way :>
21:30:22amiconnThe bugs happen *before* the reboot, so they will happen *before* activating our own usb mode when that's available, unless someone fixes the bugs
21:30:41GodEater_tbh - I've not seen this bug since linuxstb's commit the other week
21:30:54amiconnI've seen it often since then...
21:30:55ChrononIs this a target specific bug?
21:31:04amiconnNo, it's a random build specific bug
21:31:10GodEater_amiconn: guess I don't plug in as much
21:31:12amiconnSome builds have it, some don't
21:31:31Chrononhmm.. I've never noticed it on my F40
21:31:38pixelmajudged from the forum reports it seems to me that mostly Minis are affected
21:32:07*maxkelley groans.
21:32:08amiconnChronon: It affects all PP502x ipods (or perhaps all PP502x targets) with varying degree
21:32:22maxkelleyI have to reinstall the sansa bootloader whenever I want to go back to of.
21:32:36Chrononamiconn: I see.
21:32:42maxkelleyto connect to the player.
21:33:35amiconnpreglow: It most probably is either threading issues (dualcore related?), or the usb controller writing somewhere into ram where it shouldn't
21:33:38maxkelleyand now I forget how to do it
21:34:12preglowbuild specific?
21:34:15preglowi didn't know that
21:34:55amiconnIt's a long-standing issue (first experienced it end of December 2006), and it always was build specific.
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21:35:32amiconnlinuxstb's changes didn't fix it and didn't make it worse either
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21:35:55*GodEater_ still hasn't seen it since mind you
21:36:16GodEater_but I'm willing to allow you probably update more than I do
21:36:28amiconnOn mini G2 there is about a 50% chance that a build has thisissue
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21:37:26amiconnI try to update all targets at least once a week. The one I'm currently working on is often updated 10+ times a day
21:38:06*GodEater_ remembers updating at least that often while he was hunting down the 80GB ipod HD issue
21:38:32preglowamiconn: weird issue, then
21:38:50preglowwe don't exactly see build-specific bugs
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21:39:22amiconnIt might in fact be the overlapping cache lines issue. Changing anything (code or data) will change alignment all over
21:39:42*amiconn starts to really hate dual core targets
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21:41:32preglowthey're not my favourites either, no
21:41:39preglowbut i hate the fact we don't have docs more
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21:44:29HardDisk_WPdoes rockbox support the serial on 5.5G ipods?
21:45:33DomonokyHardDisk_WP: nope, not yet..
21:45:35davinado u mean the ipod port on the bottom?
21:46:01MethoS-why doesn't exist an ebuild for RockboxUtilityQt ?
21:46:50DomonokyMethoS-: because nobody has done one... fell free to step in.. :-)
21:47:42MethoS-i never made one :)
21:48:25MethoS-hmm, maybe I'll try to make one
21:49:17DomonokyMethoS-: if you are successfull.. put it in the wiki.. :-)
21:52:03MethoS-ok
21:52:33GodEater_MethoS-: it shouldn't be much harder than the Wx one I did
21:57:50XavierGrbtw, any news on the USB front? GSoC has ended for some time and haven't seen a commit or news about it for a while :\
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22:02:41maxkelleyhmmm..
22:02:59maxkelleyI think there's a bug with the audio interface for the c200..
22:03:25maxkelleyit actually seems to be a decrase in quality from the OF, because it sounds like the amp is being overdriven.
22:03:34maxkelleydoes anyone know if there's two amps inside the c200?
22:04:03peturXavierGr: austriancoder has a pwm controlled life: short bursts of activity followed by longer periods of silence ;)
22:05:17Chrononpwm = pulse width modulation?
22:05:25maxkelleymhmm..
22:05:32peturyup
22:05:33Chronon:D
22:07:29*ender` yawns
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22:24:49maxkelleydoes austriancoder work for Austria Micro Systems? :)
22:24:57Bagdernope
22:25:17maxkelleyaw.. I'd like to talk to him if he did.
22:25:31Bagderbut he was one of the guys that visited ams
22:25:37maxkelleyoh, cool.
22:25:47bluebrotherand he's from austria (like AMS) IIRC
22:26:00Bagderyes
22:26:19bluebrotherok, not too surprising after his nick ;)
22:26:26petur:)
22:26:33maxkelleyBagder: did you know much about c200 hw specs? or if the PP5022C has a built in audio amp?
22:26:54BagderI don't think anyone knows anything in particular about that
22:27:05BagderI would guess all the audio stuff is in the as3514
22:27:51maxkelleymm. somehow, the sansa firmware must like overpower that as3514, or rockbox must underpower it, because it clips at low volumes in rockbox.
22:29:08preglowyou could try asking jhMikeS
22:29:10preglowjhMikeS: ping
22:30:13maxkelleyat some points, it sounds like the chip would rather commit suicide than play music for me.
22:30:52jhMikeShuh? *half asleep*
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22:32:16*jhMikeS wants to know why preglow would dare wake him :)
22:34:06*jhMikeS *back to nap*
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22:34:59preglowwell, that was disturbing
22:35:03preglowi can just see him sleeping on the keyboard now
22:35:14jhMikeSwhat is it?
22:35:18preglowheh
22:35:28preglowsomeone talking about as3514 clipping in rockbox
22:35:57jhMikeSthe sansa sure doesn't
22:36:00jhMikeSe200 anyway
22:36:07maxkelleyc200.
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22:36:31preglowsame chip, innit?
22:36:42maxkelleyyes.
22:37:00jhMikeSe200 had some problems with that and tinny sound until a comprehensive reset was done after loading rockbox (in system_init).
22:37:10maxkelleyhmm.
22:38:09maxkelleyit seems there's multiple stages to the amp.. would it be possible that some of them are not enabled?
22:38:48jhMikeSwhich amp?
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22:42:53*jhMikeS isn't following this amp with multiple stages thing. Only amp should be the AS3514 ouput. Without the big reset, you'll get garbage in and out of the codec. Don't ask me why. I just did exactly what the e200 OF did.
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22:55:02maxkelleyjhMikeS: multiple stages within the as3514.
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22:55:58jhMikeSyes there are but it's all set up correctly already
22:56:56maxkelleywhat's the option in the sansa firmware for high or normal volume do then?
22:57:00maxkelleyit makes a difference.
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22:58:33jhMikeShmmm, must be an addition not in the version I've got. Only thing I know about like that is for line out or something.
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23:00:28jhMikeSbut there's no mystery to me about what's in the AS3514 since I do have the datasheet for it.
23:00:36maxkelleyin the brochure on the ams site, there are like 6 gain stages which are combined.
23:00:42maxkelleyit shows a block diagram.
23:00:53maxkelleylike, when it gets to higher volumes, it starts crackling.
23:01:06maxkelleyand those higher volumes are nowwhere near what the of could attain.
23:01:36jhMikeSthat's the summing for different audio sources like mic, line, ADC, etc.
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23:01:48maxkelleyhey low_light
23:02:58low_lighthey
23:03:33low_lightI recently found that the c200 uses the same dev reset as the e200
23:03:45maxkelleydev reset>
23:03:46maxkelley?
23:04:00jhMikeSlow_light: did you enable it for c200 and see if it fixes that stuff?
23:04:09low_lightso that needs to be enable for the c200...system-pp502x.c line 201
23:04:21maxkelleyooooh, good.
23:04:32low_lightI haven't had time
23:04:34maxkelleyI'll try that now.. I've been having problems with audio playback levels.
23:04:44jhMikeShuh? it's practically a 2sec check. :)
23:04:53Bagderlow_light: there's pm for you...
23:05:05*low_light has had 2, 18 hr work days in a row
23:05:17peturoh fun... kdesvn goes hanging while doing a commit :(
23:05:19maxkelleyah, ok, i understand.
23:05:21Bagderouch
23:05:44*jhMikeS would've held off going to sleep 2sec more to test that one out. :)
23:06:02*amiconn thinks it's rather weird
23:06:29maxkelleylow_light: how would I change that? DEV_RS = 1; ?
23:06:33amiconnWhile I do prefer GUI programs in general, this doesn't apply to svn clients...
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23:06:56low_lightmaxkelley: no change the define to include the c200
23:07:07nauruscan anybody tell me where the bootsplash image is located in the daily build?
23:07:12maxkelleyah, ok.. I was just going to ask that because I looked at the rest of the file.
23:07:24maxkelleyand saw that there was a seperate sansa_c200 def.
23:08:00krazykitnaurus, compiled in
23:08:09low_lightmaxkelley: line 201...#if defined(SANSA_E200) || defined(SANSA_C200)
23:08:37maxkelleyyep, I did it.
23:08:48maxkelleyI'm learning C as I go, here :)
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23:09:02jhMikeSwhy does C200 need i2c_scale_attn_level if it doesn't have an lcd that needs constant cache flushes?
23:09:07nauruskrazykit: then how to i change it?
23:09:08jhMikeSi2s
23:09:16krazykitnaurus, you'd have to make your own build
23:09:16maxkelleyI have better success learning by doing it in a real situation than tutorials, etc.
23:09:17low_lightjhMikeS: unfortunately the rockbox bootloader won't boot the OF
23:09:28low_lightso and update takes longer
23:09:58jhMikeSand I though waiting for database refresh was annoying :P
23:10:03low_lightjhMikeS: I have no idea what that is
23:10:10maxkelleylow_light: will everything need to be rebuilt for that change? I'll guess yes.
23:10:48low_lightshould only effect rockbox.mi4
23:10:55maxkelleyok.
23:11:56naurusanybody got an idea?
23:12:32low_lightmaxkelley: I'll read the logs to see if that fixes the audio
23:12:36low_lightgtg
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23:12:46maxkelleyaw, I didn't get to say bye.
23:14:52naurusany body have any idea at all? somebody else said it was simple to change
23:15:07naurus(the boot loader image)
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23:16:12krazykitnaurus, i told you, you have to build your own
23:16:26maxkelleyhmmm.. didn't help much.
23:16:29Bagderbuilding your own IS simple
23:16:37naurusthats what i'm doing
23:16:43krazykitnaurus, in apps/bitmaps/native/
23:16:54maxkelleyjhMikeS: what did you say about tinny audio's cause?
23:17:00naurussweet!
23:17:10naurusthans krazykit
23:17:26nauruscan i change the size of that image? or does it have to stay the same
23:17:33jhMikeSmaxkelly: it was totally dependent on that reset happening to have consistently good audio on e200
23:17:43maxkelleyhmm
23:18:16maxkelleyyeah, it still crackles.
23:18:43jhMikeSIt would even read garbage back from the AS3514 without it.
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23:19:15maxkelleyis there a way to check from within rockbox (debug section?) if it's enabled?
23:19:17jhMikeSthat might be clock I2S clocking regs but I wonder why that would have to differ ... hmmm
23:19:30krazykitnaurus, you can, but you have to change some code. i don't recall where it is though. i know it's mentioned in the forums, somewhere.
23:20:55jhMikeSmaxkelley: what wouldn't be enabled?
23:21:08naurusthank you
23:21:09maxkelleythe dev reset or whatever.
23:23:01jhMikeSif you changed line 201 as directed, it will have been executed. it's over after line 206.
23:23:16maxkelleyah, ok.
23:25:02jhMikeSyou say the crackling is volume-level related?
23:25:11maxkelleyyeah
23:25:41maxkelleyit sounds like the amp is clipping almost.
23:25:43jhMikeSso lowering the volume in rockbox makes it go away?
23:25:56maxkelleyyes
23:26:10jhMikeSok, so it's not an i2s issue it seems
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23:26:23nauruskrazykit: thank you, i found it
23:26:24maxkelleymkay.
23:26:41Bagderhey, I got the invite
23:26:55Bagder(for the gsoc summit thing)
23:28:33petur\o/
23:28:45Bagdergmail put it in the spam folder
23:28:59Bagderand it wasn't sent from a google domain, nor does it mention gsoc or summit
23:29:21maxkelleyjhMikeS: there's a preamp stage after the dac which possibly could be easily overdriven.. could be being overdriven before it even gets to the headphone amp?
23:30:18peturhmmm... commandline svn hangs as well :(
23:30:26 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving")
23:30:45peturlast thing it says is "Transmitting file data ......."
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23:32:52jhMikeSbut why would e200 not have the problem then? it does set that as part of the volume setting and there's the AGC block.
23:34:37jhMikeSperhaps some register that left as default has another value on c200 that isn't right. I really can't say for sure since I don't own the model.
23:40:01amiconnHmm, it seems that the calls to backlight_on(), remote_backlight_on() and button_backlight_on() in backlight.c:backlight_init() are unnecessary
23:40:31jhMikeSthis c200 issues sounds like one of those jobs that takes alot of cigarrettes to solve
23:40:44amiconnThe settings load will call the setting functions in backlight.c, which will make the backlight light up if it's not disabled in settings
23:41:41amiconnBut if the calls are there, and the bootloader does *not* enable the backlight (which I'll soon commit for the 1st/2nd gen), having the backlight disabled in settings will cause a short backlight flash on boot
23:42:30preglowBagder: they cover more than i would have expected
23:42:31preglowthat's nice
23:42:40Bagderindeed
23:42:40amiconnI want the backlight disabled in the 1st/2nd gen bl because of the backlight inversion effect, which makes it look rather bad in direct sunlight
23:43:05Bagder1200USD for travel and paid hotel is quite a lot
23:44:00amiconnAnyone object f I take the calls out of backlight_init()? (provided that doesn't cause problems on other targets of course - will test)
23:44:33Bagderamiconn: I don't see why anyone would object to that...
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23:45:23amiconnI can't test on a wheel/buttonlight target though
23:45:29n1samiconn: It might be a good idea to put a comment in explaining how that backlight initing works and IMHO
23:45:32n1s-and
23:46:08amiconnBtw, is there a reason why the buttonlight functions/variables are sometimes called buttonlight_* and sometimes button_backlight_* ?
23:46:36amiconnThe latter sounds awkward to me...
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23:47:56peturhmmm commit fails: Can't read from connection: Connection timed out
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23:48:43Bagderpetur: svn clearly hates you
23:48:47ddaltonwhat is the svn revert command?
23:48:54Bagdersvn revert
23:48:57Bagder:-)
23:49:06Bagdersvn revert [path] even
23:49:47ddaltonso from my source tree how do I restore my changes. So it is back like the normal copy
23:49:50amiconnpetur: Routing problems to svn.rockbox.org? Wouldn't surprise me...
23:50:09peturwell I can update, just not commit :(
23:50:11Bagderddalton: "svn revert -R ." I believe recursively reverts all changes
23:50:39peturand I can ping it
23:50:41ddaltonthanks that worked.
23:51:19naurusanother Q: in the english.lang source file, which entry for "Database" would i change to say "My Music"? the choices are: <dest> <voice> or <source>
23:51:20amiconnpetur: weird
23:52:15peturit is stuck on the 'transmitting data' for some time and then gives the error msg
23:52:26peturand that _is_ commandline :p
23:52:33ddaltonvoice it?
23:52:44ddaltonis that what you want?
23:52:47naurus(forgot to add that i want it to say my music on the main menu
23:53:09naurusinstead of database)
23:53:17ddaltonso to talk or display?
23:53:18ddaltonthat
23:53:49naurusdisplay
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23:54:07naurusi'm guessing source
23:54:17pixelmapetur: I did not have problems committing about 20 minutes ago...
23:54:24*petur threatens svn with a large hammer...
23:54:29ddaltonok I will write a patch probably quicker. Then you can see what I did
23:54:29peturpixelma: I saw
23:55:30*ddalton Compiling!
23:56:04bluebrotherhmm, wouldn't the spliteditor also make sense on other targets that can record?
23:56:16bluebrotheror does it use a hardware feature?
23:57:22preglowjhMikeS: gotta say, the sim really feels snappier now
23:57:59preglowstill eats quite a bit more cpu than i like, though
23:58:48maxkelleypixelma: it looks worse in small screen format, just to let you know.
23:59:00maxkelleyit also slows down gameplay, and makes it really easy.

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