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#rockbox log for 2007-09-13

00:01:08maxkelleyin xobox, it makes it harder to see the cursor, in chopper, the helicopter becomes slower, and is so small that you could probably go forever without hitting anything.
00:01:16pixelmaok, I can only trust you - also these kind of changes could easily be done later if desired (by someone els)
00:02:03ddaltonok about the music instead of the db thing here is the patch. Hope it works. I haven't tested.
00:02:16pixelmamaxkelley: thanks for the feedback
00:02:35jhMikeSpreglow: actually, on some systems it seems easy to starve the rockbox threads with that SDL_Delay(0) but I think it might be better to use SDL_WaitCondTimeout(c, m, 0) (in case you wanted technical details). :)
00:02:43 Quit Xerion (" ")
00:03:30amiconnjhMikeS: On linux, I still observe starvation of the non-rockbox thread(s) (but not as bad as in your first version)
00:04:29ddaltonhow does make_menu work? can you call a function with it or what happens.
00:04:45ddalton? that should be.
00:04:46jhMikeSwhat do you observe exactly though? what was really happening was starvation of the rockbox threads, not the non-rockbox ones.
00:05:15amiconnExcessive delay when starting playback until it actually starts playing
00:06:14peturbah... I did a small commit and that worked ok....
00:07:13peturif nobody objects I'll do file by file commit to find where it goes wrong
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00:07:35saratogais it possible to set the mailing list to not show my email address?
00:07:57jhMikeSI think that the SDL_Delay(0) still is too much. What I observed before adding the IO thread was that the SDL_Delay(1) every 50 seemed like a kludge to make other stuff work but I think it's probably unwise to keep it at all.
00:09:29jhMikeSusing the condition object will properly trade the mutex to other threads without a forced yield.
00:11:39amiconnTaking that out will make things worse...
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00:12:21webguest19is there a way to convert my e200r into an e200? I don't really care for rhapsody
00:13:25saratogawebguest19: yes, see the rhapsody thread in the new ports forum or the sansa install forum
00:13:28saratogaor maybe that wiki
00:13:31saratogaits in there somewhere
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00:13:57saratogasince the rockbox install procedure basically converts an R to a normal and then puts rockbox on it
00:14:20preglowsaratoga: regarding the ml: no
00:14:34jhMikeSamiconn: i'm not so sure about that. not hard to check it if you want to try a couple different one-liner patches.
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00:14:44preglowshouldn't be a big deal, though, i've had my address there for ages and hardly get any spam at all
00:14:51preglowbeen half a year since my last spam
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00:16:55saratogapreglow: was mainly thinking of preventing other people from emailing me at the address, but oh well
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00:17:26*petur gives up on svn for tonight... working copy must be corrupt :/
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00:18:35jhMikeSpreglow: you're seeing a consequence re: CPU usage of the threading techniques used in rockbox which the SIM accurately reflects now. I hardly get CPU usage without peakmeters because threads actually block in the SIM just like on target.
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00:19:04naurusmy compiler wont build for sansae200
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00:19:20naurusis says arm-elf-gcc doesn't exist">
00:19:42mschneiderarrrg...I keep trying to mess with ft_load or ft_enter in filetree.c but everytime i get a data abort. Any ideas?
00:19:53mschneidernaurus: are you using cygwin?
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00:20:59naurusmschneider: yea
00:21:41webguest19i was just on a moment ago and i asked if there was a way to convert my e200r into a e200. I searched the forums but could not find it. Does anyone have a direct link or something like that.Thanks
00:22:22mschneiderthat's a really common error. try this forum topic:
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00:22:46mschneider(that was @naurus) and if that doesnt work for you i would suggest vmware
00:22:56iambennaurus: its quite simple, you either dont have arm-elf-gcc or you dont have it in your $PATH
00:22:56 Quit ddalton ("leaving")
00:23:01mschneiderits a lot easier in terms of setting up
00:24:49ShroomDoes anyone know what "undefined instruction at 40003C50" means?
00:26:24saratogaShroom: it means rockbox crashed by jumping to that address in memory
00:26:28jhMikeSisn't that special getting one in IRAM
00:27:40webguest19does anyone know where i can find the instructions?
00:29:35saratogaso about the mailing list, i want to reply to a post thats already on the list
00:29:58saratogaif i copy the subject, will that work or do I need other information for the list software to properly sort it
00:30:39jhMikeSI think it needs another header or else you'll be top posting ;)
00:30:45ShroomHow can I fix that? I have an iPod nano and I just restored it and did a fresh install of rockbox but it can't find any of the music nor play anything.
00:31:54jhMikeSaren't nanos misbehaving today or was that last week? (I am being serious)
00:32:08saratogai think they've been having trouble for some people for a while now
00:32:52jhMikeSsomeone said they used a pre r14044 (or some revision around there) bootloader.
00:33:06jhMikeSit started with
00:33:20saratogai don't think that the bootloader has been updated in the last 6 months
00:33:29saratoganot since teh COP changes last winter
00:34:34ChrononThe playback bugs started cropping up somewhere after r13990, I believe
00:34:55Chrononfor certain players
00:35:07ChrononApparently only a fraction of nanos experience this bug.
00:36:29naurusiamben: sorry, i left for a while. i figured that much out, but how do i remedy this?
00:36:53iambennaurus: if you already set up the build environment, where is its bin dir?
00:37:06iambenie mine is at /usr/local/rbdev/arm-elf/bin
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00:37:53naurusi'm not sure, i just set up cygwin with defaults like on the rockbox guide
00:38:27webguest19is there a way to convert my e200r into a e200?
00:38:45naurusiamben:i'm not sure, i just set up cygwin with defaults like on the rockbox guide
00:38:59saratogawebguest19: you've already asked that a half dozen times
00:39:06iambennaurus: does it not have you set your $PATH somewhere?
00:39:11webguest19i asked twice
00:39:14jhMikeSwebguest19: I think no since you could do that, rockbox would probably be official on it already.
00:39:28iambenisnt the e200r rockboxable now? so who cares if it has the 'r' or not
00:39:36naurusiamben: wait, its in opt\arm\arm-elf\bin
00:39:48jhMikeSscratch the "R" off it? :P
00:39:59saratogawebguest19: 4 times actually, and yes its possible
00:40:11webguest19it is?
00:40:20saratogafor the 3rd time, yes
00:40:41iambennaurus: run this to set it once: "export PATH="${PATH}:/opt/arm/arm-elf/bin"
00:40:44webguest19i'm trying to figure out how to do it
00:40:50bluebrotherwebguest19: there is no user-safe way yet.
00:40:52iambenjhMikeS: its strange, on cars people pay lots of extra $$ for the "R"
00:40:53jhMikeShmmm...when did it become officially rockboxable?
00:40:54saratogawe know...
00:41:12bluebrotherunless you know what you're doing I really suggest to wait until there is a easy way of installing on the r models
00:41:42webguest19yeah, but it doesn't seem like it will come out soon
00:41:46jhMikeSiamben: I payed extra $$ for a "5.0" on a car but it did come with a V-8 engine for free :)
00:41:50saratogajhMikeS: about a week ago
00:42:05saratogaturns out e200tool could do it anyway, just no one had ever tried
00:42:06bluebrotherwell, then you simply have to wait. People are working on it.
00:42:40iambenwebguest19: i bet you could send your e200r + $20 to a dev and they'd send you back a rockboxed e200r
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00:43:11mschneiderOkay, this will be that last time i ask this but i havent gotten any answer and i just want to know whether or not anyone has any knowlegde of this
00:43:26mschneiderDoes anyone know how to modify the file browsing system?
00:43:35naurusiamben: sorry, i'll be off and on
00:43:45iambenjhMikeS: i snuck a 200hp 2.2L into my 2.2CL in place of its old 145hp 2.2L, i pwn unsuspecting noobs
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00:44:38iambennaurus: do you need me to repeat anything or do you have it logged?
00:44:50naurusiamben: i got it
00:45:04linuxstbsaratoga: The Rockbox install procedure just patches the e200r OF bootloader to accept unsigned binaries - it doesn't convert it to an e200.
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00:45:15naurusiamben: i ran it, and now its giving me a right bracket like it wan'ts some input
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00:45:30naurusiamben: brb (again :( )
00:45:59iambennaurus: i forgot the closing " ... sorta
00:46:16iambenits just export PATH="${PATH}:/opt/arm/arm-elf/bin"
00:46:44amiconniamben: #rockbox is always logged...
00:47:20Chrononamiconn, were you interested in looking at one of the buggy nanos?
00:47:35Chrononor was it someone else?
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00:48:43jhMikeSiamben: that talk belongs in #rockbox-automotive ;)
00:49:26bluebrotherdo we also have #rockbox-webguest? *g*
00:49:30naurusiamben: grrrrr, didn't work
00:49:35amiconnChronon: Mhmmm, I would like to see that problem fixed
00:49:49naurusiamben: i tried make again, same err
00:50:03amiconnAnd since no-one else seems to jump forward, it looks like I will have to do it... :\
00:50:18iambennaurus: until "which arm-elf-gcc" returns a valid path, it will not work... there must still be a problem w/ your PATH
00:50:42nauruscould the path just be opt?
00:50:45ChrononI got a message from someone on the forums who said they would lend out their unit for testing.
00:51:03ChrononHe only has one post, though. Hopefully he's still around.
00:51:16iambennaurus: your $PATH variable needs to contain the full path where arm-elf-gcc is located
00:51:38ChrononHis profile says he's in Bucharest
00:51:45iambenChronon: its a scam! oh wait he's sending YOU a player =)
00:51:55nauruswould i have to specify that i'm trying to change the PATH for arm-...
00:52:06ChrononNot me. To a developer in EU.
00:52:20Chrononhaha, iamben.
00:52:41naurusiamben: would i have to specify that i'm trying to change the PATH for arm-...
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00:53:05iambennaurus: did you read step 4 of the cygwin guide @
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00:53:34naurusiamben: hahaha, that would help wouldn't it :P
00:55:35***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:56:15jhMikeSPortalPlayer is so friggin' time-consuming but then there's quite a number of those targets too.
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00:58:11naurusiamben: hmm, didn't help
00:58:27sofianbabaiHello folks could someone give me some explanations or solutions about errors i get when i try to apply a patch
00:59:00iambennaurus: when you do "echo $PATH" what does it return?
00:59:14sofianbabaihunk failed at #67
00:59:24sofianbabaihunk #2 failed at 81
00:59:43bluebrotherpatch can't locate the position where it should apply the part (hunk) of the patch
00:59:45sofianbabaiand cygwin tells that 8 of 8 lines have been rejccted
00:59:48bluebrotheryou need to do that manually
01:00:00naurusiamben: nvm, got it, i was sending it the wrong path
01:00:02sofianbabaiarrrgg how do i do taht ? :)
01:00:03iambensofianbabai: its probably an old patch that hasnt been maintained to apply cleanly to recent rockbox
01:00:10naurus* embarrased
01:00:18bluebrotheropen the source file and diff in a text browser and compare ;)
01:00:34naurusiamben: thank you very much
01:01:07sofianbabaiiamben: you may be right unfortunately :(
01:02:07nauruslater everybody
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01:03:01naurusiamben: before i leave, i'd like to know what to put in my 'profile' file if my PATH is /opt/arm/bin
01:05:13naurusiamben: i prolly wont answer, but i'd still like your thoughts on that
01:05:23naurusiamben: thanks in advance
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01:06:06iambennaurus: i dont really know, ive never used cygwin
01:06:39naurusiamben: ok
01:07:17naurusiamben, also - when i type make install after using make, its tells me there is no rule to make target install
01:07:58iambenrun "make zip" and itll give you a just like you'd download
01:08:12iambenthen you can unzip that to your player just like you normally do
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01:12:17sofianbabaiiamben: what kind of installer does make the cygwin configure tool ?
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01:16:29eigmahey, all the cool kids have an "!offtopic".. maybe we should get one
01:18:08scorcheeigma: what are you referring to?
01:18:49eigmafor when people have non-Rockbox discussions in here
01:19:01*scorche points to the topic...
01:19:28naurusiamben: thank you
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01:20:05 Quit Chronon ()
01:20:25naurusiamben, oh yea, i was getting confused by make install from the sim build
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01:26:00sofianbabaihmm is there a way to tell the patch tool to detect automatically the files needed to be patched? i mean recursively ? some kind of switch to add to the command line ?
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01:26:41krazykitsofianbabai, what do you mean? patch does what i think you're saying anyway
01:27:40sofianbabaii mean here, when i run patch < patchname.diff , it patches but alwas asks for the other files to patch, in other directories
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01:28:16krazykitif it's just something off the tracker, try patch -p0 < patchname.diff
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01:30:02sofianbabaicrazykit: hmm it doesn't work it asks for others files to patch in others subdirs
01:30:26sofianbabaiand true, i've read on the wiki that it must detect the change to do by itself
01:31:18krazykitwhat patch are you applying?
01:32:16sofianbabaicrazykit: fs7563
01:33:11sofianbabaiwelcome to the command line world :-)
01:33:27krazykitmy nick starts with a k. "crazykit" doesn't hilight me ;)
01:34:19sofianbabaiarrg this irc client is awfull lol
01:34:38krazykitsofianbabai, use patch -p1
01:34:58krazykitpatch -p1 < patchfile.diff?
01:35:08sofianbabaiwhat does it mean (just not to go to bed stupid :)
01:35:20krazykit-p is the strip option
01:35:26krazykitman patch explains it better than i can
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01:37:29BertAndErnieHey everyone.
01:37:46sofianbabaicrazykit: you rock man it's works. dunno how the hell it does but it does :)
01:38:35scorcheBertAndErnie: hello David
01:38:47krazykitsofianbabai, it has to do with the filenames. if a patch fails to apply, try -p0 through -p3 to see if it works like that
01:38:50sofianbabaithink i'm gonna have some good linux reading :)
01:38:51BertAndErniehow did you know!?
01:38:59scorchethat isnt the point
01:39:54sofianbabainow, gonna see if this work after compiling lol . cygwin is full of surprise. :)
01:40:02krazykitsofianbabai, yes, have fun with that
01:40:28sofianbabaicrazykit: htank you very much for helping newbies like me :)
01:40:48krazykitsofianbabai, no prob. once you figure out patching and such, it gets much easier
01:40:54BertAndErnieIs there an alternative to a compiler, say, for Ubuntu?
01:41:00sofianbabaisure your right :)
01:41:13scorchenot sure what you are asking..
01:41:14sofianbabaibut i'm coming from the windows world :)
01:41:21sofianbabaieverything is new :)
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01:41:34BertAndErnieI like linux better than windows.
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01:41:56scorchealright...i still dont get your question
01:42:10iambenBertAndErnie: is it true that they run linux on sesame street?
01:42:21scorcheiamben: please stay on topic...
01:42:21BertAndErnieThey can't afford windows.
01:42:22sofianbabaibertandernie: hmm i like windows beter than linux cuz... i do'nt know linux :)
01:42:35*scorche facepalms
01:43:00iambenscorche: just because my comment was ridiculous doesnt make it any further off topic than everyone else
01:43:03sofianbabaiand i'm visually impaired , it's easier to work with windows unfortunately
01:43:07krazykitBertAndErnie, you just use gcc
01:43:23BertAndErnieGCC? What does that mean?
01:43:35BertAndErnieGrand C++ Compiler?
01:43:43krazykitgnu c compiler
01:43:49scorcheBertAndErnie: are you asking about getting the compilers installed on linux?
01:44:12BertAndErnieUnless there's ones for windows...
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01:44:47scorchethere is cygwin, vmware, and colinux that will all emulate/virtualize a linux environment on windows for you
01:45:23BertAndErnieBut I already have Ubuntu dualbooting with windows.
01:45:42BertAndErnieAlong with Mac OS X, all three on one laptop :)
01:45:52scorchewell, if you are going to use ubuntu, then you need to install the crosscompilers....if you are going to use windows, you need to use one of the above
01:46:17BigMacBertAndErnie: Ok sudo apt-get install build-essential
01:46:26BigMacthen fetch the source
01:46:31BigMaccd into tools
01:46:37BertAndErniesudo lets me be admin?
01:46:49scorcheBigMac: he hasnt even got to that point...dont get ahead of things...
01:46:57BigMacscorche: Where is he?
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01:47:21BigMacHe said he needs the compilers I thought
01:47:52scorchedeciding whether to use windows or linux at the moment from what i can, it is better to have him read the documentation instead as it is more explicit and complete
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01:48:37 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend")
01:49:42BigMacscorche: Oh, was just trying to help him out
01:50:39scorcheif you jump ahead, you could be confusing instead of helping ;)
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01:52:11HubertCumberdaleI just booted to linux. What do I sudo again?
01:53:12HubertCumberdaleOh, I have to build it?
01:53:53scorchewell, lets simplify that a bit...first, get eh source from svn by typing svn co svn:// rockbox
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01:55:12HubertCumberdaleLinux/Ubuntu seems more like a programming enviorment, rather than windows.
01:55:30HubertCumberdaleOk, I downloaded what I need.
01:55:49scorchewell, cygwin emulates a linux environment, and vmware is essentially running linux inside of windows
01:55:50eadmunddoes anyone know how to create 16-bit BMPs on linux? i've crawled through the wiki, googled, read the manual and am either looking right over it or can't find it
01:56:18HubertCumberdaleWhy, just use jpeg instead
01:56:24scorchethe nice thing about vmware is that the image is already set up and you just have to download it and run it
01:56:37krazykiteadmund, the GIMP doesn't do it?
01:56:40scorcheHubertCumberdale: because he has to use BMP...
01:56:47eadmundgigabeat requires 240x320x16 bmp, at least according to the manual
01:56:56eadmundkrazykit, nope
01:57:10krazykiti've never had a problem making BMPs in the GIMP
01:57:10amiconneadmund: Are you designing a theme?
01:57:29eadmundamiconn: i'm trying to create a backdrop. eventually might go all the way to a theme, dunno
01:57:47amiconnYou can use 240x320x24 BMP as well, it just takes more space on disk
01:58:01amiconnRockbox' BMP loader will convert it on load
01:58:03eadmundreally? manual didn't say that. convert -depth 24 okay?
01:58:25amiconnIf your backdrop uses only a few colours, you can also use 8bit BMP
01:59:48amiconnThe rockbox BMP loader supports all standard depths: 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 24 and 32 bit. Just the resolution has to match the target for backdrops to work
01:59:58HubertCumberdaleI have my source files. Now, how do I compile it?
02:00:07eadmundsweet! the docs were just wrong. i can deal with that:-)
02:00:21scorcheHubertCumberdale: type "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
02:00:37HubertCumberdaleAll these source codes, and source codes to the tools to compile source codes, and no true compiler.
02:00:53eadmundthx guys. now back to hacking this. rockbox, well, rocks
02:01:01HubertCumberdaleit's going!
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02:01:30scorchewhat are you talking about with a "true compiler"? have to get the compilers
02:02:13HubertCumberdaleWell I'm new to COMPILING codes. I'm used to the usual C++ windows executables. And fortran code.
02:02:30sofianbabaihow can I know the revision of a particular file in the source?
02:02:59HubertCumberdaleOk, the apt-get install build-essential has finished.
02:03:21scorchenow navidate to rockbox/tools
02:03:47HubertCumberdaleconfigure file?
02:03:59scorchedid i say that?
02:04:08scorchethen no =)
02:04:09HubertCumberdaleI'm there.
02:04:25scorche"sudo ./
02:05:08HubertCumberdalehmm, select target....
02:05:18 Part pixelma
02:05:31HubertCumberdaleall, ok
02:05:46HubertCumberdalewhat's it doing!!?!?!
02:05:59scorchebuilding the crosscompilers
02:07:46HubertCumberdaleSo, I can change the code, possibly fix bugs?
02:07:55HubertCumberdaleAnd add features?
02:08:09scorchethis will enable you to compile
02:08:20scorcheyou could do all that before, you just couldnt compile the code
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02:08:31HubertCumberdaleThis, I guess, is how developers are made :)
02:08:54HubertCumberdaleIt's still working on it....
02:09:01scorcheit will be for a while
02:09:07krazykitsince you told it to do all the targets, you're in for a wait
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02:09:31krazykitgo make some tea or a sandwich or something
02:09:50HubertCumberdaleWhat was rockbox originally made on, just wondering. Commodore 64?
02:10:04krazykityou're joking, right?
02:10:07scorcherockbox came about in 2001
02:10:11scorcheso much later...
02:11:57HubertCumberdaleIs there any way, if you decide to return your player, to make it so they don't know you modified it? Do they check it?
02:12:22scorcheyou simply uninstall rockbox
02:12:43scorchei very very much doubt they will check the bootloader as long as the device still functions
02:13:07sofianbabaime again.are there anywhere some guidelines on how to creat/modify a patch. important strings etc?
02:13:41HubertCumberdaleWow....this is a long process.
02:13:58scorcheas we said, it will take a bit
02:14:09HubertCumberdaleLooking at the source code, it's similar to C.
02:14:18krazykitit IS c
02:14:19scorchesource code of what?
02:15:48HubertCumberdaleSo, in the end, I get rockbox, able to work on my player?
02:16:01HubertCumberdalesorry for the extra comma...
02:16:12scorchein the end of what?
02:16:20HubertCumberdaleall the compiling.
02:16:30scorchecompiling just gives you a binary
02:16:59HubertCumberdalewhat do you do with the binary?
02:17:15scorchethe binary is the same thing you download from the site
02:17:38HubertCumberdaleSo, its basically rockbox.mi4?
02:18:08scorcheafter you compile, and assemble into a .zip, it is the same thing that you download from the site
02:18:26HubertCumberdaleso it's compiling all the plugins too?
02:18:38scorcheplugins are compiled along witht he code
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02:19:12HubertCumberdaleso there's no making separate plugins to add to rockbox....
02:19:37scorcheyou cannot compile a single plugin without compiling the rockbox code
02:19:44iambenthey are all plugged in by default
02:20:30HubertCumberdalei'll wait before asking any more questions....probably wasting your time....
02:21:15scorcheif you want something to do while you wait, read through
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02:22:57HubertCumberdaleso, as I read through the wiki, it seems apt-get is used for other things too.
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02:24:23HubertCumberdaleThe compiler is looping through the same thing a few times, is this making it for the different devices?
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02:25:57HubertCumberdaleHmm.. This is making everything that deals with rockbox, even the sansa patcher!
02:26:04scorcheno it isnt
02:26:19HubertCumberdalenevermind, those are separate...
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02:26:54habHi all, have you ever heard about "binaural beats" ?
02:27:13krazykithab, yeah, it's an interesting concept
02:27:49habfor those who dont :
02:28:02krazykitbut are you going to somehow relate this to rockbox?
02:28:11habpatience :)
02:28:18habyes maybe
02:28:38krazykitmaybe a sbagen interpreter plugin?
02:29:17HubertCumberdalewhat is sbagen. as in sba generator?
02:29:33habjust saw that sbagen 1.0 is 16K
02:29:44krazykitHubertCumberdale, have you ever heard of this thing called google? it's really cool, it lets you search for things.
02:30:23HubertCumberdaleI don't like google. It seems the same as any other search engine. Done with the cross compiling.
02:30:36scorcheHubertCumberdale: can compile now
02:30:59HubertCumberdaleIt's tellng me to make my path include " "
02:31:04scorchethen do that
02:31:28HubertCumberdaleso, use cd "path"
02:31:33hab16K fot Linux source, so i wondered if it would be possible to do a port for Rockbox as the gb emulator seems to be done
02:31:47scorche(that no was to HubertCumberdale)
02:31:47HubertCumberdalehow do I make it include?
02:32:02scorcheHubertCumberdale: remember that google thing we just talked about?
02:32:05krazykithab, possible, probably. all it needs is a sufficiently motivated coder to start working on it
02:33:05HubertCumberdalewhere's the product of the cross compiling?
02:33:19krazykitbinaries that work on processors other than the host
02:33:23habnote that i dont ask you to do it, i want to know if it can be done
02:33:32habso is it no or probably ?
02:33:50krazykithab, well, that depends. if it's written in C, that helps a bit.
02:34:19HubertCumberdaleHow do I compile now?
02:34:31HubertCumberdaleIt's all done.
02:35:52habkrazykit: i have a night to investigate :) oO theres a ARM version :)
02:36:19krazykitthat's a good sign :D
02:37:36HubertCumberdaleI have an e200r. Choose that, or e200?
02:38:14HubertCumberdaleI'll do the e200.
02:38:45HubertCumberdaleNa, I'll just do the R.
02:39:24HubertCumberdaleShould I build normal, advanced, bootloader?
02:39:40krazykitnormal, most likely.
02:40:11krazykitthat'll build you the same thing you download from the Current build page. it's rockbox + the plugins and such
02:41:08HubertCumberdaleit had an error.
02:41:44krazykitthat sure didn't take long. for what it's worth, e200r uses the same build as e200.
02:41:50HubertCumberdale../tools/configure: 1548: arm-elf-gcc: not found../tools/configure: 1552: arm-elf-ld: not found
02:42:05krazykityou didn't fix your path, then
02:42:12habkrazykit: its written in C with both GPL and BSD licences
02:42:25krazykitafter you change your path like the instructions said, you have to log out and back in
02:43:14HubertCumberdaleI made the build folder...
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02:43:56HubertCumberdaleLog out, as in restarting terminal?
02:44:04krazykitHubertCumberdale, are you even reading what i said? 1. if you did NOT change your PATH like the instructions said, do that now. 2. after doing that, log out then log back in
02:44:20krazykitno, log out as in "click log out in gnome and log back in", assuming you're using ubuntu
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02:46:05DavidGWRawsonOk, logged out and back in...
02:46:19krazykitecho $PATH
02:46:29krazykitthat'll tell you if you changed it properly
02:47:09DavidGWRawsonecho in DOS?
02:47:29krazykitare you in ubuntu right now?
02:47:41DavidGWRawsonit says things
02:48:07krazykitthat's a pretty useless statement. does it have "arm-elf" anywhere in there?
02:48:29krazykitthen you didn't edit your PATH properly. read the instructions again.
02:48:44DavidGWRawsonwill I have to do it again?
02:48:56krazykitnot the whole install, just editing your PATH
02:49:27habDid he tried the vmware "all done" image for rockbox compiling ? worked pretty well for me
02:49:43DavidGWRawsonit's ubuntu, not windows.
02:50:15krazykitDavidGWRawson, then you're in the shell, not DOS.
02:50:41DavidGWRawsonI meant terminal.
02:51:02krazykitbefore you can do anything else, fix your PATH like the instructions say
02:52:13DavidGWRawsonIm using the instructions on
02:52:37krazykityou're not done setting up your build environment yet
02:52:56krazykitread that
02:54:31hab"Using VMware is not only simpler, compiling is a lot faster than using cygwin." in
02:55:01krazykitwell, he's got the build env. mostly done in ubuntu, may as well go all the way
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02:58:25habIs Rockbox "Posix-compliant" as noted in sbagen.c ?
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02:58:45krazykithab, i don't believe so.
02:58:54DavidGWRawsonoh...another error.
02:59:10krazykitwhat's this one?
02:59:32DavidGWRawsonit seems it's in the code
02:59:36DavidGWRawsonmenus/main_menu.c: In function ‘show_info’:
02:59:55DavidGWRawsonmenus/main_menu.c:201: error: ‘LANG_DISK_NAME_MMC’ undeclared (first use in this function)
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03:00:49krazykitDavidGWRawson, don't make a Normal build with e200r. do it for e200.
03:02:06DavidGWRawsonwhat's the linux delete command?
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03:04:43DavidGWRawsonit seems like it's working now
03:05:09DavidGWRawsonMy computer is such a mess :(
03:05:18blithenI can't really find a good description on what RockBox IS.
03:05:36scorchelinked to on the front page
03:06:24DavidGWRawsonit's done
03:06:45*jhMikeS sees the answer before him in a trancendental form
03:07:13blithenRockBox is AMAZING!
03:07:13krazykitDavidGWRawson, now do make zip, and it'll make a zip file just like from the website
03:07:23DavidGWRawsonthere are a bunch of archive files in my build directory
03:07:36DavidGWRawsonlike libwavpack.a
03:07:49krazykitdon't touch those. just do "make zip"
03:07:55jhMikeSwell, rockbox "IS" −− after all
03:07:56blithenDoesn't run on my iPod though. D:
03:08:35blithenThat's very saddening.
03:08:36DavidGWRawsonIt made a
03:08:44DavidGWRawsonDid I compile?
03:08:51krazykitDavidGWRawson, yep, congratulations :D
03:09:01DavidGWRawsonYay :)
03:09:53DavidGWRawsonCan I make the bootloaders too?
03:09:59blithenAnyone know why it doesn't run on the 2nd Gen iPod nano?
03:10:18scorcheblithen: because no one has ported it
03:10:30krazykitDavidGWRawson, you can, but i really don't recommend it. there's a reason that bootloaders are periodically released.
03:10:51scorche is the previous discussion on it
03:11:02DavidGWRawsonso this is just best to use the most recent bootloader
03:11:35krazykitright. i wouldn't mess with the bootloader at all.
03:12:04DavidGWRawsoncould I end up bricking and then have to fix it?
03:12:25krazykityou'd have to go through the recovery procedure, yes.
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03:18:58DavidGWRawsonThanks to you, I can now maybe help out with rockbox development. Right?
03:20:18krazykitassuming you're proficient with C, yeah
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03:29:21DavidGWRawsonWould (I)nstaller be sansapatcher?
03:31:52krazykiti believe so, but there's no need to build that yourself
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03:34:52blithenOne more quick question, is anyone working on the port to 2nd gen iPods?
03:35:26krazykitnot currently, i don't think
03:36:12DavidGWRawsonHmmm. interesting. all display images/words are based on bitmaps...
03:36:17blithenI would start working on it. But unfortunately I near no programming skills.
03:36:28blithenI have(
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03:39:09DavidGWRawsonI'm going to edit the splash screen to see if anything happens....
03:39:43maxkelleyyou need to compile bootloader for any changes to happen.
03:40:10maxkelleyand yes, it's all bitmaps, which are then converted to C source files when it's compile.
03:41:16DavidGWRawsonCould I, with the source codes, create a rockbox port of another application?
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03:42:19DavidGWRawsona simple tetris game for dos
03:42:39scorcherockbox already has testris
03:42:57DavidGWRawsoncash invaders?
03:43:13krazykitwhatever you like
03:43:14DavidGWRawsonduke nukem, heretic, hexen....
03:43:16scorcheyou can port anything you like, but it may not be easy
03:44:14krazykitread what scorche said one more time.
03:44:15DavidGWRawsonWould I have to modify the code for it to work?
03:44:30scorchethat isnt obvious?
03:44:30krazykitof /course/ you'll have to modify the code
03:44:49scorchewhat are you expecting?...just drop it in the rockbox folder and have it magically work?
03:45:11DavidGWRawsonJust leaving the basic functions of the game, such as how it totals scores, etc.
03:45:34scorchewhat are you expecting?...just drop it in the rockbox folder and have it magically work?
03:45:56DavidGWRawsonno..ill just work on it....
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03:46:37eigmaDavidGWRawson: in my opinion, porting something is not a good way to learn to program
03:47:29DavidGWRawsonExpirimentation. C reference guides?
03:47:55eigmaDavidGWRawson: #c?
03:47:58scorcheif you dont know C, you really shouldnt be starting off with porting something...
03:48:17maxkelleyscorche: oops :)
03:48:17DavidGWRawsonis it #c, or c?
03:48:28maxkelleythey're talking about the channel @c
03:48:32maxkelleyer, #c.
03:48:39maxkelleynow I've really confused you :)
03:49:04DavidGWRawsonThey are pretty much alike.
03:49:23maxkelleyno, the IRC channel #c
03:49:33scorchethere is no such language as #C
03:49:41eigmaDavid, type "/join #c" and ask for help learning C
03:49:48maxkelleythere's c#
03:49:49DavidGWRawsonOkay, now testing a build of rockbox on my player.
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03:49:58scorchethere is C#, but they are much less alike than you likely think
03:50:16eigmascorche: I was a bit disappointed by that
03:50:19maxkelleyc# ~ java == blech.
03:50:39maxkelleywell, c is offtopic.
03:50:56maxkelleytopic is rockbox !== c
03:51:33DavidGWRawsonHmmm. a java port....
03:51:51krazykitDavidGWRawson, don't get ahead of yourself.
03:52:20maxkelleyheh, I was thinking the same thing :)
03:52:55DavidGWRawsonHyahhh! I did it! I modded rockbox! The USB image now has the words F*** on it!
03:53:05DavidGWRawsonJust for fun.
03:53:14scorcheyou dont need to tell us everything you do
03:53:31DavidGWRawsonsorry. I'll tell you something if it's worth it...
03:54:34DavidGWRawsoncan I add patches and compile them with rockbox?
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03:55:02scorcheas i have said before, read through
03:57:12eigmacould someone take another look at ?
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04:01:01DavidGWRawsonhow do you delete directories
04:01:12eigmain rockbox?
04:01:19DavidGWRawsonin linux
04:01:31scorcheDavidGWRawson: third time....use google to your benefit
04:01:54scorchethis is not a linux help channel
04:02:03scorcheand that is not a C issue
04:02:03DavidGWRawsonhow do I switch to the C channel?
04:02:11scorcheyou cant using out webclient
04:02:14eigma[21:49] <eigma> David, type "/join #c"
04:02:18maxkelley/join #c
04:02:22scorchehe cant
04:02:33krazykithe's using the web-irc client
04:02:39DavidGWRawsoni cant
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04:05:08maxkelleyeigma: the c200 sim works for me..
04:05:59eigmaDavidGWRawson: use if you can; it allows you to join any channel
04:06:15scorchethere is also
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04:09:49maxkelleyanyone have c200 pinouts?
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04:16:41eigmaany committers: could you also look at
04:17:39scorcheif there is no patch, why put it in patches?
04:17:57eigmasorry, I meant to attach one
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05:11:04naurusiamben: wow, you're still on
05:11:20naurusiamben, i have another problem *guhh*
05:11:37chrisjs169maddler, ping
05:12:15iambeni was going to start watching tv to put me to sleep, but i seem to have broken mythtv will all of my screwing around today
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05:13:14naurusiamben, i keep getting a "usb_detect" error when i try to compile the source code. all i did when i change from my version 0.3 (which worked fine) to 0.4 is change the english.lang file the say "see ya later" instead of "shutting down"
05:13:42nauruslol, i've done that with things other than tv's
05:14:15*scorche coughs
05:15:44iambennaurus: no idea on that one
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05:24:26naurusiamben, darn
05:25:02naurushow can i do the "* scorche coughs" thing?
05:25:10naurusi'm not an irc wiz
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05:28:07naurusthank you
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05:28:45*naurus wonders in anybody knows why my compiler is giving me a sub_detect error!
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05:32:43naurusi didn't change the file that it's complaining about at all
05:33:20hcser, I'm looking through the chip8 plugin, the license doesn't look very GPL to me...
05:33:57hcsthere's the same sort of header as everything else, but below there are "no commercial use" notices
05:34:16krazykitrockbox isn't commercial ;)
05:34:31hcsstill, that's incompatible with the gpl
05:34:36scorche|ltopno commercial makes it...yeah
05:39:01naurushmmm, seems to be working now *puzzled*
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05:39:52Myphtonhey is there anyone here that can help me install rockbox on my iPod mini?
05:40:25naurusMyphton, i'm inexperienced, but i may be able to
05:41:00naurusfirst or second gen?
05:41:01Myphtonim completely new lol, better than nothing
05:41:34scorche|ltopMyphton: what issue are you having?
05:41:48naurusok, download this file:
05:42:02Myphtonthe problem is that i extract all the files and fonts to the correct directories, but when i run the ipodpatch.exe, it doesnt detect that its on my computer
05:42:28Myphtonno ipod found
05:42:30scorche|ltopis it in My Computer?
05:42:30naurushmm, i wouldn't be able to help you with that
05:42:41naurusare you on firewire or usb?
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05:43:14naurusare there any options in the ipodpathch.exe?
05:43:15DavidGWRawsonHello again.
05:43:16Myphtoni have disk use enabled
05:43:34Myphtonno, no options other than to strike enter to exit
05:43:54naurusiamben: it worked, must've been a cygwin bug
05:44:05scorche|ltopMyphton: did you format your device or anything?
05:44:15chrisjs169Hey DavidGWRawson
05:44:39naurusMyphton, when you connect your ipod, does it come up as a drive when you go into my computer?
05:44:41Myphtonno, there is still songs on it, all the necessary software to run it from factory, i havent tampered with any of the files
05:44:49naurusif so, what letter?
05:44:52Myphtonyes, it comes up as the K:/
05:44:59DavidGWRawsonI'm working on an easier way to install rockbox. But, I am a little embarassed about this. How do you rename in linux =x
05:45:26krazykitDavidGWRawson, the easier way is to use rbutilqt, or wait til the e200r method is made simpler.
05:45:30scorche|ltopDavidGWRawson: fourth time....GOOGLE...this is not a linux help channel
05:45:38naurusDavid: i think you have to use the copy command, but i'm not sure
05:45:44scorche|ltopnaurus: no
05:46:04scorche|ltopMyphton: so where does it say no ipod found?
05:46:04hcsnaurus, DavidGWRawson: mv , a rename is just a move (or rather vice versa)
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05:46:17DavidGWRawsonI cant get to the linux channel. The choice thing is locked.
05:46:20krazykitDavidGWRawson, there are tons of articles about getting into the linux command line. i suggest actually doing a little work and hitting google.
05:46:27Myphtonscorche: ipodpatch.exe
05:46:41advcomp2019DavidGWRawson, if you have question with linux just google it
05:46:45DavidGWRawsonOK!!! I'll use goolgle!!
05:46:57scorche|ltopDavidGWRawson: you have been told this cant join other channels with our webclient...not being able to join other channels is not an excuse to violate our guidelines
05:46:59naurusdo you know what usb mode it is in?
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05:47:16naurusi don't have an ipod, so i'm prolly more hurt than help :P
05:47:26scorche|ltopnaurus: likely...
05:47:43Myphtonlol, naurus, im unable to say other than it has disk mode enabled
05:47:54scorche|ltopMyphton: have you tried rbutil?
05:48:27Myphtonno scorche, what is it
05:48:59*naurus thanks everybody who helped him with his first build, it worked!
05:49:24naurusnotibly iamben
05:52:12DavidGWRawsonOk, a good question. Why does rockbox drain so much battery?
05:52:23Myphtoncause its that freakin sweet
05:52:30naurusyes, very good, i was wondering that too
05:52:34DavidGWRawsonUses more CPU power?
05:52:39scorche|ltopbecause many parts of the PP chip are unknown
05:52:55Myphtoni think cause of its features it has within itself
05:52:59Myphtonthats my guess
05:53:12scorche|ltopthere isnt any guessing about it...i just said it
05:53:40nauruswell atleast it beats the crap outta the regular sansa firmware
05:53:40DavidGWRawsonSo it uses things it does'nt need to use?
05:53:52scorche|ltopit shouldnt drain too much..i believe it should be around 1/2 to 3/4 of the OF's battery life on PP502x devices
05:54:03DavidGWRawsonExcept usb support.
05:54:13scorche|ltopwell, we dont know how to control many things in the P chip
05:54:41DavidGWRawsonWell, with the OF, it lasts 20 hrs, but with rockbox, it lasts 4 hrs!!!
05:54:49LloreanBasically, the Apple firmware can tell bits of hardware "Stop using power until I need you again", but because we don't have enough information, a lot of times we can't, or we don't know if we're telling them the best way to stop.
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05:54:50scorche|ltophow did you measure?
05:54:56scorche|ltopthat should be wrong
05:55:14Myphtonhey scorche, how do i use rbutil
05:55:23DavidGWRawsonThe rockbox info, and what the sansa package said.
05:55:24scorche|ltopMyphton: download it and run it
05:55:39scorche|ltopas you have been told many times, the information is wrong
05:55:43DavidGWRawsonJust do the install manually. It's more fun :)
05:55:49scorche|ltopperform a full test and see for yourself
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05:56:22DavidGWRawsonare you still scorche? your name seems different
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05:56:38DavidGWRawsonan imposteror
05:56:59scorche|ltopbecause i am on my laptop....if you are ever wondering who someone is, /whois will see i still have my rockbox/administrator/scorche cloak
05:57:18Myphtoni keep getting an error "Mount Point Is Wrong"
05:57:37DavidGWRawsonlaptop scorchetop, funny.
05:57:39scorche|ltopi will only have that cloak if i have identified to nickserv with my password
05:59:09DavidGWRawsonI like how with sansapatcher, it puts the OF in the boot partition, rather than the usual SYSTEM folder.
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05:59:34DavidGWRawsonCan I format my sansa with sansa.fmt?
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06:01:52Myphtonhey, even with the rbutil, i still get the error that my ipod can not be detected
06:02:05DavidGWRawsonHmmmmmmmmm. Sansapatcher uninstalled my bootloader and now, it runs only OF!
06:03:22krazykitDavidGWRawson, i bet it's because you told sansapatcher to do that.
06:03:43krazykitDavidGWRawson, and IRC is not your blog. we don't need to hear about every little thing you do with your sansa.
06:04:40DavidGWRawsonWhat's a blog? I keep hearing about those things.
06:05:11krazykitjust. fucking. google it.
06:05:26scorche|ltopcs op #rockbox
06:05:39DavidGWRawsonI like....your cat picture.....
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06:06:26scorche|ltopyou are muted for 10 minutes...during that time, you might find it prudent to re-read the guidelines and make sure that you do not violate them again
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06:21:32Myphtoni got a question
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06:22:01Myphtoneverything installs on my ipod mini and is extracted 100%
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06:22:20Myphtonbut when i try to install the bootloader, it can not detect my ipod
06:22:43Myphtonis there a way i can install it manually?
06:23:32Myphtonbtw, i was using rbutil
06:24:07*chrisjs169 doesn't have an ipod =/
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06:33:20Myphtoni keep getting error =(
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06:33:41Myphtonanyone on here that has an iPod mini? with rockbox?
06:33:48Myphtoni cannot install the bootloader
06:33:53Myphtoncan i do it manually?
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06:34:30LloreanMyphton: Please don't keep asking the same question over and over, especially when very few people have entered/left the room since then.
06:34:50LloreanWhat operating system are you on, and what exactly does iPodPatcher say?
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06:35:08Myphtonwindows xp media center
06:35:18Myphtonipodpatcher.exe says:
06:35:29LloreanPlease don't past it in here.
06:35:34LloreanUse a pastebin or similar.
06:35:54Myphton[info] scanning disk drives
06:35:59Myphtonthen all errors
06:36:20Myphton[err] no ipods found, aborting
06:36:32Myphtonplease connect ipod to your computer
06:36:46Myphtonrefer to rockbox manual
06:36:55LloreanIf you aren't going to listen to me, I'm not sure why I should help.
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06:38:18Myphtoni dont understand, what was it that you instructed me to do
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06:38:43LloreanI 1) Asked you for EXACTLY what it said, and 2) Made it clear not to paste it in here, but rather use a pastebin.
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06:40:23Myphtonim sorry, i dont know what a pastebin is
06:42:05LloreanMyphton: Did you try perhaps using Google. If you don't know what it is though, you could've asked rather than ignoring my instructions.
06:42:33Llorean"I didn't know how to do it right" should be followed with "so I asked" rather than "so I ignored the instructions."
06:43:45LloreanAnother important question: Before attempting to install Rockbox, had you ever installed iPodLinux on your iPod, or had to restore it (with iTunes or manually) for any reason?
06:44:05Myphtonim sorry, i dont know how to do it right... im just very tired and ive been trying to get this to work..
06:44:16Myphtonand the answer to the linux question is no
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06:44:48LloreanWhat about restoring it?
06:45:00Myphtonnever had to
06:45:10LloreanAnd you've always owned this iPod, it was not bought used?
06:45:28Myphtonright, came from the box which was from a store
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06:45:36Myphtonno other owner
06:46:46LloreanAlright, and you've tried both iPodPatcher and the latest version of RBUtil? What error does RBUtil give?
06:47:17MyphtonNo Ipod Found
06:48:01Myphtonlike right now, i have all the necessary files to have it on there
06:48:08Myphtoni just need the bootloader
06:48:30Myphtonand i continue to have errors installing the bootloader for rockbox
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06:48:46LloreanWas iPodPatcher able to autodetect your device, or did you have to select it manually?
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06:49:25Myphtonno, ipodpatcher said no ipods found, press enter to abort
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06:49:36Myphtonif youd like ill paste the message in here
06:49:40LloreanI meant RBUtil
06:49:53LloreanAnd I've told you more than once now not to paste in here.
06:50:37LloreanHonestly, you're going to want to file a proper bug report on this, then.
06:50:47Myphtoni had to select the K:/
06:51:04Myphtonno other way to install the bootloader manually?
06:51:14LloreanNot without using Linux
06:51:25LloreanBut either way, you need to file a bug report, and help us fix this.
06:51:38Myphtonhow so?
06:51:57Myphtonmain page?
06:52:07LloreanThe link that says "bug reports" yes.
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07:09:25DavidGWRawsonHey. Is it out of topic on the video support for rockbox? It's about converting it.
07:10:26DavidGWRawsonHello? Am I still banned?
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07:10:48hcsDavidGWRawson: have you looked at the mpeg plugin's page?
07:11:35DavidGWRawsonYes, but when I convert a video, the file size is 0 bytes. I downloaded the preset.xml. I am using Ubuntu.
07:12:17Ebertugh, can someone point me to the preamp prefs?
07:12:21scorcheyou were never banned...just muted
07:14:02DavidGWRawsonIs the mpeg video support good enough to be worth using on rockbox? I have never seen a video played on it.
07:14:13scorcheit depends on your device
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07:14:28DavidGWRawsonThe Sansa e200(R)
07:14:46scorcheit should be fine
07:15:29DavidGWRawsonBut my problem is with the converter. It says it converts the video (avi format), but it creates an empty file.
07:16:20johnboy221David, are you able to use the rhapsody channels in your dualboot setup?
07:16:41DavidGWRawsonno, only e200 firmware is working.
07:17:02DavidGWRawsonRhapsody firmware just freezes and fades the screen white.
07:17:09scorchefor you...
07:17:32Eberti swear i saw "preamp" settings somewhere, is it called something else?
07:17:48scorcheEbert: not sure what you are after...
07:17:52DavidGWRawsonAnd others, you may have seen in the forums, had the same problem.
07:18:01scorchei see
07:18:16scorchei just need to figure out why mine works and yours doesnt
07:18:46Ebertscorche, preamp, so basically the volume is higher in default
07:18:49midkaypreamp? we have precut..
07:19:01midkaynothing about preamp though, i'm 99% sure.
07:19:19ChrononYou could fake it by boosting all bands of the EQ. . .
07:19:37Ebertnot what i mean chronon
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07:20:07midkayEbert: then we don't have it, simple as.
07:20:17midkaythat's the only way to get it louder, manually boosting all the bands.
07:20:21Ebertalright bottom lines guy :)
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07:20:28midkaythat's me!
07:21:02Ebertwhat im looking for basically puts the regular volume controls at a higher level
07:21:17scorchewhy would you want that?
07:21:20Ebertpotentially to have a higher max volume
07:21:35Ebertthe car stereo i plug it into needs more preamp
07:21:45scorchewell, the max you can ever go is line level (0), unless you want clipping
07:22:30Ebertits loud enough, but have to put up the car stereo to higher levels, sucks when i switch out of Aux.
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07:22:57scorchewell, as i said, you can go higher, but expect clipping
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07:23:17ChrononEbert, are you using line out or the headphone jack?
07:23:30Ebertline out
07:23:40Ebertthx scorche, informative
07:23:59Ebertah, also i have a bug, maybe you know if its hardware or software:
07:24:16Eberteverytime i power up my Gigabeat for a session, it says "battery low" on the first attempt
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07:25:03Ebertsecond attempt, powers up fine. Its doing this more frequently now, always powers on second attempt tho. this is with battery on, doesn't matter how charged it is
07:25:35DavidGWRawsonIn the video converter, do I need to put in the bitrate, etc?
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07:28:06ChrononEbert, never happens on mine.
07:29:13Eberthm, dont tell me its a hardware thing
07:30:38ChrononDavid, you need to tell it somehow. Is that stored in the preset.xml?
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07:31:15DavidGWRawsonNevermind. I further read that it was because of an incompatability. I'm trying something else.
07:31:27johnboy221scorche, are you the only person who is successfully dual booting into the rhapsody firmware?
07:31:36scorcheit seems like it
07:32:07DavidGWRawsonYou must have a refabricated one. Originally an e200? Maybe not... is a brand new e250R as i have said...
07:32:32scorchetrust me...i would know if it wasnt really an R
07:33:50advcomp2019i could do it to mine but i am holding off, DavidGWRawson
07:34:52johnboy221dang...i really want rockbox, but the channels are the reason I bought it in the first place...
07:35:43DavidGWRawsonholding off, as in the power button?
07:36:10DavidGWRawsonWell, maybe I'll just use the OF's media player?
07:36:23Ebertjohnboy221: channels?
07:36:55advcomp2019holding off putting rockbox on my e280r, DavidGWRawson
07:37:08johnboy221Rhapsody channels...part of the rhapsody enabled e200 series
07:37:50DavidGWRawsonWell, mine dualboots just fine, even without rhapsody, I'm happy that it at least has USB support.
07:38:23scorchejohnboy221: feel free to try it, and if it doesnt work, restore it
07:39:04DavidGWRawsonYea, I tried it on mine, but didn't get it the first time.
07:39:17Ebertoh, does that auto-download rhapsody stuff?
07:39:22DavidGWRawsonBut after success, it becomes easy.
07:39:29scorchewell, we told you not to do it because you didnt understand ignored us
07:39:49DavidGWRawsonWell, I very well understand it now.
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07:40:29DavidGWRawsonAll I have to say is follow their instructions.
07:40:49DavidGWRawsonBecause you ll have problems like me
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07:41:59Ebertdavid, these guys sometimes seem a little tight in the seat. they must need an hour massage or something
07:42:14johnboy221yeah, you drop a 'channel' like '80's Tunes' onto the player and it auto download like 4 hours from that genre
07:42:31johnboy221then the next time you sync the player, it replaces all the songs you listened to
07:43:00johnboy221scorche, I haven't found a good step by step to restore :/
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08:47:56markunEbert: I also have this "battery low" problem
08:48:00markunno idea why
08:48:11Ebertah, high five markun
08:48:15Eberthow long?
08:48:31markunas long as the port exists :)
08:49:12Ebertits only an inconvenience, i just was fearful the connection might be going
08:50:04SofRaZorbacKhello all
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08:50:25markunSofRaZorbacK: hi
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08:51:22ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: Did you email me before? Or was that someone else.
08:51:54SofRaZorbacKddalton: it was me :)
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08:52:32SofRaZorbacKddalton: glad to see you here :)
08:52:36ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: do you want me to help you now? My instructions weren't very good.
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08:53:42SofRaZorbacKddalton: i still haven't look at me emails i'll do that and come back. thanks for the offer !
08:53:59markunEbert: my guess would be that we leave the ADC for the battery voltage in a wrong state when we shutdown
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08:58:15ddaltoncan someone see if they can fix the problems with p7764?
08:59:34Lloreanddalton: I don't understand what you mean by "When restarting playback nothing is voiced"
08:59:59LloreanBut as for hold being on, the buttons aren't registered at all on some players, so it makes sense that nothing is voiced: To the player nothing is pressed.
09:00:18LloreanAt least, as far as I know. Other players have a software hold, but it's still treated similarly
09:00:32ddaltonwell when you press play I thought it would say restarting playback. But what about the hold thing. With the little bit of eye sight I do have I noticed that the back light doesn't go on if you press a button when hold is on.
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09:01:00ddaltonso could we make it say "Hold on" when you press something with hold on?
09:01:03ddaltona key
09:01:39ddaltonok so really there is nothing good in that patch right? Can you see anything in it that might be worth having?
09:01:59ddaltonalso there is a string for hold in english.lang. Why is this?
09:02:01LloreanI'm confused.
09:02:05SofRaZorbacKddaltonalton: thx for the email. i'll answer back to you since it's more cunfortable for me. your explanations sound clear i just have to figure it out properly
09:02:15Llorean1) Why should it say "Resuming Playback" when there is no message for this?
09:02:31ddaltonwhat nothing is displayed on the screen?
09:02:37ddaltonI am blind so don't know
09:02:42Llorean2) What do you expect it to do when on hold. It is *supposed* to act like no buttons are pressed, that is what hold is for.
09:02:53amiconnWhy should it say "resuming playback" at all??
09:02:59Lloreanamiconn: That's what I'm asking.
09:03:10LloreanIt doesn't show "Resuming Playback" so it shouldn't speak it...
09:03:16LloreanYou know playback is resuming because you hear playback.
09:03:23amiconnEven if you're blind you'll hear that it resumes, because of the music (or speech) played...
09:03:27ddaltonok forget both of them. But I thought if it was possible that might be useful but probably not.
09:03:48ddaltonso is there anything worth having in that patch? I know the plugin errors are voiced.
09:04:14ddaltonhmm There is a syncsplash for it.
09:04:19ddalton"Restarting playback"
09:04:48ddaltonabout the email you can pm me.
09:05:48ddaltonso is there anything worth having in there or should someone just close it.
09:06:02amiconnThat is for a special case: if you enable or disable crossfade, or change the crossfade duration, playback has to be restarted
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09:06:13amiconnThat's what the splash is for
09:06:25ddaltonwhat about the hold one then?
09:06:49ddaltondid you see the gui_syncsplash for the hold lang?
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09:07:36ddaltonamiconn: So just forget about the patch? What do you think?
09:08:38amiconnThe hold splash is for targets with soft hold
09:09:14ddaltonamiconn: So should we just close the patch? Or is there something useful in it?
09:09:43Lloreanddalton: Doesn't the patch voice a lot of other things that aren't those two?
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09:11:22ddaltonwhat do you mean by "aren't those two?"?
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09:12:56LloreanThat patch voices things like "Scanning Disk"
09:13:25LloreanWhy should it be rejected?
09:14:14ddaltonok so you think it is useful.
09:14:58ddaltonif you do I am happy to strip it down. So remove some of the stuff in there like "hold" or should this stay?
09:15:01LloreanNo, I didn't say that either.
09:15:15LloreanYou seem to be reading a lot into things that are much simpler statements.
09:15:36ddaltonwell then what do you think of it?
09:16:23LloreanI don't know, I'm not really interested in voice. I was just pointing out that Rockbox was behaving as expected, and those two notes in your patch are "behaviour as expected"
09:16:39amiconnThe "hold" voicing should be removed imo. While it would in fact be useful to voice this on the soft-hold targets, it is not possible
09:17:37amiconnThe targets employing soft hold are the old archoses, as they have no hold switch. But soft hold is only used in the wps, and then music is playing. The archoses are hwcodec and so it's not possible to voice something while music is playing
09:18:15ddaltonOk I will remove both "hold" and "Restarting playback" Would that be ok?
09:18:23SofRaZorbacKgotta let you all, keep on the great work and thanks again for all the support in here.
09:18:29Lloreanddalton: Nobody said to remove Restarting Playback...
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09:18:48ddaltonso when is it voiced? Can you give me an example so I can test?
09:19:07Lloreanddalton: Amiconn already told you, when you enable or disable crossfade it may happen.
09:19:16ddaltonhow do I do that?
09:19:47LloreanIt's a setting, I believe in the Playback menu. It's not a feature I use...
09:20:23ddaltonso then if I remove the hold stuff would that be better?
09:22:30Eberttry what he said first
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09:28:45*ddalton Will be back
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10:04:36*ddalton Hates connection drop outs. Especially when you can't see what lights are on on the modem!
10:05:05B4gderindeed, they should go for braille lights!
10:05:18B4gder(or however you spell that word)
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10:28:42ddaltonaliask: Around?
10:30:41ddaltonWhat is a good book that will teach me the stuff I need to know to code on rockbox?
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10:31:21hachihow do I know which fonts support what character codepages?
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10:34:05bluebrotherhachi: check">
10:37:02hachiperfect, thanks
10:37:09pixelmathe UnicodeFonts page in the wiki gives also an oversight over a few fonts
10:38:02hachisee, now I typed 'fonts' into the wiki and it gave me nothing
10:38:28GodEaterhachi: Did you type it into the "Go" box though ?
10:38:33GodEaterwhich isn't a search function
10:38:36pixelmamaybe you typed it into the "go" box? Happens to me too, although I know it
10:39:37hachiwhat size is unifont?
10:41:59GodEater−−> <−−- this big
10:42:57LloreanIt's "Larger than I like to use"
10:43:09LloreanAt least on most of my players
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10:44:53webguest89Hi Rockboxers..
10:45:03SofRaZorbacKhi :)
10:45:20bluebrotherhi DefaultNameUser ;)
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10:46:31ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: Do you want help with that translation now?
10:46:35webguest89I am so happy that the e200 is working very good....
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10:46:50ddaltonIt might be easier if I just go through it with you here.
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10:47:32ddaltonWhat is the best player running rb at the minute?
10:47:36webguest89I have a microsd 2GB card working perfectly, and today I read that rockbox supports 4
10:47:39SofRaZorbacKwebguest89: yes your right man this player is good
10:47:45webguest89.... 4GB as well
10:47:54ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: did you see my message?
10:48:24ddaltondoes that player have a wake up rtc?
10:48:34webguest89but I just noticed that there are 6GB also available soon. Is it true that 4GB are supported, and what about 6GB?
10:48:37SofRaZorbacKddalton: yes many thanks i'll reply by email lol;K i'll c"ertaily have some questions
10:48:47B4gderwebguest89: rockbox supports microsdhc
10:48:49bluebrotherwebguest89: Rockbox supports SDHC
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10:49:01B4gderwebguest89: you should be able to run at least up to 32GB cards
10:49:06bluebrotherthat means that all sizes SDHC can have are supported. IIRC this is up to 32GB
10:49:15B4gder /echo off
10:49:16bluebrotherB4gder: beat me ;)
10:49:37SofRaZorbacKddalton and ok it's not the topic b ut thx for the t-bird script! :)
10:49:49webguest89ok, so there's no upper limit then.... wow. Anyone knows when 32GB sdhc is under 50$ ??? ;)
10:50:00*bluebrother gets the impression he is mean and grumpy too :D
10:50:20ddaltonwhat about the t-bird script?
10:50:34B4gderbluebrother: just be careful so that you don't end up being discussed! :-]
10:50:50GodEaterespecially not at the Zend conference
10:50:52bluebrotherwebguest89: SDHC are available up to 8GB afaik. At least on the marked. But even those are hard to find
10:50:58SofRaZorbacKddalton it's cool! but i won't go further on that , they will kick me lol !
10:51:17bluebrotherB4gder: well, some german Rockbox forum "scared" me away already a while ago.
10:51:36GodEaterSofRaZorbacK: there's always #rockbox-community
10:51:47ddaltoncan you tell me what ones your talking about?
10:51:49B4gderbtw, SPI is another org we could consider for "hosting" us
10:52:02GodEaterB4gder: less acronyms we don't know please ;)
10:52:23bluebrotherSPI = Serial Peripherial Interface :P
10:52:38B4gdersoftware in the public interest
10:52:40GodEaterSingapore Paranormal Investogators
10:52:48B4gderthey're behind debian for example
10:52:52GodEaterah ha
10:52:52B4gderheard of that ? ;-)
10:52:59GodEateryes :)
10:53:02webguest89the last 2 weeks I was on vacation and had a lot of time to use and experiment with e280 (+microsd) and rockbox. after some hours I decided, if my e280 breaks, I'll order another e280 the next second. just because of rockbox ;)
10:53:11SofRaZorbacKdarkless : lol sory i don't still master irc really i'll tell by email
10:53:25SofRaZorbacKwhoops ddalton !
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10:55:44webguest89what happens if i start OF on a e280 with 4GB SDHC? will it just ignore the card?
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10:56:31bluebrothermost likely.
10:56:44B4gderI think so, i believe others have said so
10:56:59LloreanIf it did anything other than ignore it, I'd consider it buggy behaviour
10:57:00bluebrotherSDHC and SD have different adressing formats. If the OF doesn't detect the card as SDHC it won't find the data.
10:57:01B4gderand in fact, that's handy since then you won't see the annoying OF database update
10:57:27webguest89the "news" that rockbox supports sdhc just made my day...
10:57:28B4gderbut of course you can't use the OF to populate the card
10:58:29LloreanI find myself wondering...
10:58:51webguest89Oh, no OF database update? this is great because its so annoying... but I will see the 4GB under windows as well?
10:59:01LloreanWhen booted into the OF for USB mode, the MicroSD card shows up as a separate device/drive. Is an HC one accessible like that, or will that be another "feature" we add once USB works?
10:59:05B4gderwebguest89: under windows?
10:59:32B4gderI don't think the hc will appear at all over usb right now
10:59:42B4gderI can't see how it could
10:59:43webguest89e280 with 4GB in normal USB mode under windows...
10:59:53bluebrotheryou need a card reader that supports SDHC. That's all
11:00:02B4gderyes, or copy and paste within rockbox
11:00:28bluebrothercheap card readers usually don't support SDHC though ...
11:00:44*Llorean will just wait on an SDHC card until the USB Stack is done then.
11:00:45webguest89ok, so I also nead a card reader that supports sdhc or is it enough just to use a sdhc to normal sd adapter in a common card reader?
11:01:25B4gderthe card reader needs to support the hc part
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11:01:44bluebrotherthe MicroSD -> SD adapter is only a mechanical thing.
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11:02:38webguest89ah, ok. A working USB stack for rockbox then also means that I can plug the e280 into windows while rockbox is running?
11:03:50webguest89very good :-)) so, whats the plans/ongoings for the USB stack?
11:04:12bluebrotherit's being worked on.
11:06:16webguest89ehm, about where would you say... more at the beginning, the middle or near the end?
11:06:17GodEaterin fits and starts :)
11:07:32bluebrotherdoes it already show up as ums device?
11:13:36*ddalton Will be back later!
11:13:47webguest89I just found a 6GB for about 52 Euro plus shipping.. is this goosd? where are 8GB sdhc sold?
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11:16:26webguest89on the wiki main page there was a 4 weeks svn history link... it's gone now and I really miss it...
11:17:13pixelmaonly the link is gone, not the site
11:17:34webguest89thanks ;)
11:19:15webguest89ups, it was not the wiki main page, it was the rockbox main page...
11:19:48pixelmaif you mean the design of the frontpage, that's been discussed here and the current version probably won't stay forever...
11:21:31webguest89yeah, after e200 dev started, I came by on a about weekly base, and the 4 weeks history was the most important link to keep me up with ongoing dev...
11:28:49webguest89a last sdhc question... is 32GB the sdhc limit, a rockbox limit or a e200 limit?
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11:36:25webguest89my actual rockbox version on e280 is aroun 22.08.2007. the remaining battery time (when its between 40% and 80%) is very bad... I used battery bench to get some data, and I found out that my e280 worked about 14h when playing music and very low use of the screen...
11:36:32ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: Have you replied? Or do you want me to help you on here? I am just going to continue reading my c book now so if you have time now would be good.
11:37:49webguest89I mean the shown remaining battery time in hours and minuters
11:38:46scorchewebguest89: is not accurate
11:39:03bluebrotherthe remaining runtime calculation is quite wrong on PP targets (including the sansa)
11:42:09amiconnscorche: Really? The sdhc is a rather short-sighted extension...
11:42:24bluebrotherit is.
11:42:46amiconnMMC (originally) does have a 4GB limitation. MMC4.2 extends this up to 2TB
11:42:48scorcheactually, i was wrong...i picked that up somewhere else
11:44:04pixelma+4GB MMCs are yet to be seen though :\
11:45:07Lloreanamiconn: My understanding is that the SDHC standard goes up to 32gb, but that technically the physical limitation is similar (2TB).
11:45:46LloreanThe wikipedia article seems to suggest that 32GB is the largest announced card size, and the limitation is 2048GB as well.
11:46:25scorcheactually, no...i think i might be right
11:46:35scorcheHigh Capacity SD Memory Card: More than 2GB (This version of specification limits
11:46:35scorchecapacity up to and including 32GB)
11:46:42scorchethat is from the actual spec paper
11:46:52webguest89oh, i can't wait for a 2048GB card for my e280
11:47:08scorcheHigh Capacity SD Memory Cards supports capacity more than 2 G bytes (2
11:47:08scorchebytes) and this version
11:47:08DBUGEnqueued KICK scorche
11:47:08scorcheof specification limits capacity up to and including 32 GB. High Capacity SD Memory Card is newly
11:47:09scorchedefined from the Physical Layer Specification Version 2.00.
11:47:15scorcheack...this is not pasting well
11:47:29Lloreanscorche: Notice that it "limits", suggesting it can go higher. :)
11:47:53bluebrotherthe german wikipedia article states 32GB as maximum
11:47:53bluebrotherand I think to remember I read that value in the sandisk specs some time ago
11:48:06scorcheyup, but it seems it IS the specification after all
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11:52:49bluebrotherthe data address is 32 bits and multiple of 512 bytes for sdhc.
11:53:10bluebrotherso theoretically it could address 2TiB
11:53:40bluebrother(footnote 10 on page 117 of the PHY layer spec 2.0)
12:01:21webguest89omg, the e280 is available in germany for 92 Euro!!! Thinking about to buy a bsckup...
12:01:41ddaltonSofRaZorbacK : Just replied to you.
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12:04:40markunwebguest89: do you have a link?
12:06:41Buschelcould anyone include "iPOD video" as player type in flyspray? I had to choose "iPOD nano" for a patch which is only valid for the iPOD video
12:07:40LloreanBuschel: Didn't you think it fit better under "iPod 5G"?
12:08:01bluebrotherBuschel: Video is 5G
12:08:22BuschelLlorean: Sorry, I am too blind :/
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12:09:30Buschelcan anyone change #FS7763 to playertype iPOD 5G?
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12:10:49LloreanBuschel: Even Apple doesn't spell it iPOD, by the way...
12:11:20pixelmaBuschel: changed
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12:23:03Buschelpixelma: Danke :)
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12:29:10tyrion_hey, which takes preference in Database view, ID3v1 or ID3v2?
12:29:27GodEaterdepends on how you've set it up
12:30:14tyrion_what's the default?
12:30:50preglowcheck your settings
12:31:53preglowbtw, could anyone tell me anyone would ever want to prioritise id3v1?
12:32:03preglowinsert "why"
12:32:18B4gderbecause some people still live in caves
12:32:20maxkelleymore compatibil.. I dunno :)
12:32:41pixelmaless bytes?
12:32:43tyrion_a tag editor may only support ID3v1
12:32:44preglowB4gder: my point is we should just nuke that option, it's pointless
12:33:02maxkelleyeh, I dunno.
12:33:02preglowif there is id3v2, then hell yes, that's what you want to use
12:33:14B4gderI believe it popped up because people use various tools and often have both kinds of tags
12:33:25maxkelleythere's not going to be two id3 tags in one song, will there?
12:33:31B4gdersurely so
12:33:36preglowyes they do, and when you have id3v2, that's the one that can actually fit the song name of your favourite bal-sagoth track
12:33:39B4gderthat's why the option is there
12:33:45maxkelleyah, ok.
12:33:51maxkelleywell, then, the option makes sense
12:33:59B4gderhaving two is weird in the first place of course
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12:34:27preglowmaxkelley: it doesn't, if you ask me, the id3v2 one is at the start of the file, which makes it the one you find first. and if you find that, there's no need to seek to the end of the file to look for id3v1
12:34:31maxkelleyaye, let's gro protest.
12:34:48preglowso i don't get why anyone would ever want to use the "id3v1 then id3v2" setting
12:35:15B4gderI think it was juts because there was some oddball once upon the time that wanted exactly that
12:35:17tyrion_B4gder: having both is a pain in the arse, but some podcasts arse stuff up and put in two different tags, like putting the date as the title in the ID3v1 and the EP name and number in ID3v2
12:35:32preglowB4gder: time to reduce some settings bloat, then :>
12:36:00maxkelleyyou could use the id3v1 to implement a "song that follows after" directive, which tells rockbox to force playback of two songs together (happiest days of our lives/Another Brick in the Wall)
12:36:07B4gdertyrion_: perhaps, but with garbage in, gargage out should not be surprising! ;-)
12:36:26preglowmaxkelley: we always do that
12:36:38maxkelleygood point :)
12:37:30Febstyrion_: what tag editor supports only ID3v1?
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12:38:27maxkelleydoes flac use id3?
12:38:35Lloreanflac uses vorbis comments.
12:38:37B4gderid3 is mp3 only
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12:38:42maxkelleyah, ok.
12:38:57preglowwell, flac doesn't use it, but that hasn't stopped idiots from appending id3 to flac anyway
12:39:04preglowit's so common rockbox has to handle it
12:39:09LloreanB4gder: If I recall grip stupidly appends ID3 to flac under default settings.
12:39:22B4gderright, stupid things still happen
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12:39:24*maxkelley likes the vorbis family.
12:39:31preglowit's so flaming stupid
12:39:37preglowit has its own comment format and everything
12:39:44preglowyou'd need to be a right flaming fool to append id3 to flac
12:39:49amiconnLlorean: If you change the encoder but don't change related settings, garbage is expected
12:39:57amiconnIt's the same in EAC
12:40:25Lloreanamiconn: I've never actually used grip, I've just run into people using it whose tags don't show up.
12:40:40preglowamiconn: btw, you have any good reasons to retain the id3 tag priority setting?
12:41:05amiconnSome people don't like id3v2 it seems
12:41:12preglowshould we care?
12:41:13maxkelleyit's 6:40 in the morning and I'm debating over ID3. I should probably type "whereis life" into the closest shell.
12:41:13*Llorean doesn't see why we can't mandate "ID3v2 will be read first. v1 will only be used if v2 is not present"
12:41:28garethtAre there any plans to have a simelar option to CoverFlow implemented in RockBox ?
12:41:28preglowLlorean: that's what i want
12:41:37preglowno need for an otion
12:41:46LloreanI agree wholeheartedly for this one.
12:41:53maxkelleyyeah, I guess I agree.
12:41:53LloreanUnless there's a good reason otherwise, of course.
12:42:04preglowif you have irrational hate for id3v2: your problem
12:42:06maxkelleyorder in the court of rockbox.
12:42:25pixelmaif t ID3v1 then they would
12:42:28Lloreangaretht: Rockbox doesn't make plans, generally. It's a project by volunteers, so anyone could work on it if so desired.
12:42:42Lloreangaretht: That being said, we encourage people to work on fixing bugs and implementing useful features rather than eyecandy.
12:43:02pixelmaoops... wanted to say - if one prefers ID3v1 they shouldn't have v2 tags... (so agreed)
12:43:34preglowunfortunately, this also means editing a huge bunch of lang files...
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12:44:46maxkelleymake a bash script that looks up a translation for each language of "ID3 tag settings", and generates from a basic template patch, then patches it :)
12:44:57pixelmapreglow: I thought marking them as "deprecated" would be enough?
12:45:00LinusNi seem to remember a valid reason for v1 before v2
12:45:11pixelmain english.lang that is
12:45:16LinusNor rather, i remember there being one
12:45:21preglowLinusN: actaully remembering it is better :)
12:45:29maxkelleyright, well, I'm off to school.
12:45:29preglowwhat's wrong with my typing today :/
12:46:40preglowthe option is passed all over the place, i'd love to remove it :P
12:47:57LinusNme too actually
12:48:04preglowworking on it now
12:48:14preglowpixelma: then that bodes well for me
12:48:20preglowLinusN: what was the reason?
12:48:43LinusNi *think* it had something to do with having different language encodings
12:49:19preglowwell, we'll soon find out if someone actually cares
12:49:49LinusNi think it may matter to Player users
12:50:08preglowthey should start stripping id3v2 tags, then
12:50:15LinusNthen you could want displayable tags in v1, and full tags in v2
12:50:36preglowhmm, can't rockbox handle that better now that we're unicode?
12:50:50LinusNpreglow: one nice thing about rockbox is that you can copy your entire collection to the player without fuzz
12:51:06LinusNpreglow: no chinese charset on the player
12:51:11LinusNfor example
12:51:20preglowindeed, and i'm actually quite keen on keeping it that way myself
12:51:24preglowbut this is such a fringe case...
12:51:29LinusNfor you maybe
12:52:02LinusNsometimes, even the most simple feature is golden to some people
12:52:14preglowsure, we've rejected tons of them
12:52:27preglowtons of nice little golden features that three or four people like
12:52:34preglowthis is one of them
12:52:43LinusNlike the remove leading "The" option
12:53:05LinusNi think there are more chinese people that just 3 or 4 ;-)
12:53:18B4gderbillions? ;-)
12:53:21preglowif there were 3 or 4 chinese people left with players at all, i'd be surrpised, heh
12:53:37preglowsurprised too. /me warms fingers
12:53:42LloreanWhy not remove it, and wait a month for outcries.
12:53:54preglowi'm working on removing it anyway, if only to see the bin size impact
12:53:55LinusNor start a poll in the forums, just for fun
12:54:15B4gderno player users are there anyway
12:54:17LloreanLinusN: I'd bet I could count the number of people who own players and would actually notice such a poll on one hand.
12:54:20LinusN"can you find any use for the "V1 then V2" option?"
12:54:38LloreanLinusN: "Are you aware of the V1 then V2 option?"
12:55:02B4gderwell I am aware of it, but I don't find any use for it
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12:56:43preglowall the manual invocations of mp3info in plugins and such set id3v1first to false anyway
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13:03:59amiconnThe player learned to display a lot more charsets ~ half a year ago (but of course no chinese)
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13:04:25preglowarchos.mod is uncompressed firmware, yes?
13:04:32amiconnThat reminds me - is there a way to automatically convert japanese text into katakana?
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13:04:56preglowremoving this features frees a bit over 200 bytes, even in rockbox.ucl, for some reason
13:05:01amiconnpreglow: Yes, atm. Just scrambled with the archos scramble algorithm
13:05:58preglowahh, no, 167 bytes in rockbox.ucl
13:07:05pixelmawhy don't you compare the rockbox.bin?
13:07:05amiconnrockbox.ucl is compressed. rombox.ucl is not
13:07:53preglowpixelma: because i didn't know it was there :P
13:08:41amiconnrockbox.bin exists for all targets
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13:09:58preglow220 bytes for rockbox.bin
13:10:12preglowenglish is no longer embedded in the main binary, no?
13:10:16preglowso this is just code savings
13:10:51pixelmasurely english is still compiled in
13:12:12preglowi think i remember some talk of it not being so anymore
13:12:29preglowbut i don't really know that part of rockbox too well at all, so
13:14:30pixelmathe major part of binary size savings from langV2 was because of that
13:15:39preglowwasn't there some new lang cleanup going on, btw?
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13:16:27pixelmanot that I know of...
13:16:40preglowthen i was probably just dreaming something
13:19:03preglow220 bytes on recorder too, so no huge savings
13:19:04preglownot surprisingly
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13:20:09pixelmathere were some discussions about how to deal with localisation and voice etc. in plugins, that's all I can remember happen in this area lately
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13:27:37preglowjhMikeS: it's not like Buschel is a stranger to fixed point code...
13:28:00Buschel...just read the post...
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13:32:14preglowLlorean: btw, we gonna see some mob stuff commited soon?
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13:33:10LloreanLast time I asked, I was assured we would. I need to start prodding.
13:33:27webguest68hello, one question: is it on purpose that you can't choose battery capacity on e200?
13:33:53Lloreanwebguest68: Do you have a battery with a capacity other than that provided with the Sansa?
13:34:25webguest68no, I don't... so this is a default entry which will not be changed?
13:34:33markunLlorean: we should probably disable it on the Gigabeat (and other players with internal batteries?) as well
13:34:43B4gderwebguest68: why does it matter at all?
13:35:11Lloreanwebguest68: It should only ever be changed if you insert a battery with a different capacity than the official
13:35:13rashermarkun: ipods and the coldfire irivers have aftermarket batteries available (with different capacity fromt he original)
13:35:32Lloreanmarkun: On h120, for example, the battery is internal but I've replaced mine. On one like the Gigabeat F where different batteries aren't available, it should probably be disabled.
13:35:40LloreanThe Gigabeat S though, seems to have third-party batteries available.
13:35:59webguest68well, a replacemt battery could have other capacities and, I think the capacity setup is mentioned in the manual for e200
13:36:25Lloreanpreglow: My understanding, though, is that work is being done in the Git repository to merge with current Rockbox, so that when it's ready it can just be "done"
13:36:34pixelmaIaudios can already come with one of two different batteries
13:36:44rasherwebguest68: if it's in the manual it should be removed. If batteries with different capacities become available, both (the setting and the manual mention) should be re-introduced
13:36:45Lloreanwebguest68: When such batteries exist, the feature can be enabled.
13:36:57pixelmaand I
13:37:01markunLlorean: I also replaced my H120 battery :)
13:37:16markunbtw, nice runtime for the 160GB ipod:
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13:37:46Lloreanmarkun: 15 screws just to replace a battery is somewhat ridiculous. And then that plug is in such a horrible position.
13:37:49pixelma've heard that it's quite easy to disconnect the second battery in the Iaudio L-models to fit a dual platter into it
13:38:04preglowLlorean: sure, but some prodding is probably a nice idea
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13:38:20Lloreanpreglow: I agree.
13:40:05markunI'm not very confident about my GSoC student producing anything, even with the extension he got
13:40:22rasherMoB is probably not a change you want to commit before you're reasonably sure it is in fact working
13:40:32rasherImagine the forums..
13:40:33preglowmarkun: i wouldn't be either
13:40:38Lloreanpreglow: The last commit looks to be Aug 28th.
13:40:45LloreanThough there was mention of exams this month
13:41:04preglowrasher: sure, i'm not saying he should rush it, but i'm saying he should be aware we're awaiting some commits soon
13:41:21preglowthis stuff should ideally have been commited by the end of gsoc
13:46:01GodEatermarkun, are you going to fail him then ?
13:46:15webguest68are there different hardware models of the e200 series known (not RAM or FM diffs)?
13:46:29jhMikeSpreglow: really
13:47:30rasherpreglow: I'd say having a working implementation is a reasonable end result too, even if it's not integrated yet. But then, I don't really know anything about gsoc
13:47:34markunGodEater: I already did, but it can be changed to "pass" if he works very hard
13:47:41Lloreanwebguest68: There's a hardware revision 1.0 and 1.1 which seems to have introduced a problem in the LCD, which was fixed recently
13:49:22webguest68ah, ok. how can I find out the hardware revision (though i am sure i must have 1.0 ...)?
13:50:01Lloreanrasher, preglow: That's the problem I ran into. By "pencils down" I realized there hadn't been set an explicit enough endpoint. Absolutely next year, the very first thing (should I be allowed to mentor again) will be to determine what "finished" is, and then at the halfway point consider redefining it based on what's happened so far.
13:51:50preglowLlorean: i completely agree
13:52:22preglowbut we pretty much needed a no-frills run like this first too
13:52:25LloreanI mean "Integration with Rockbox" is clearly a common sense finishing point. But, to a lesser extent but still valid is "Working and in a state to be integrated"
13:53:10LloreanBut I think some pressure to see some commits now is probably good.
13:53:41GodEateryeah, that saratoga character is well behind ;)
13:54:52LloreanWell, either way, we learned some things.
13:56:00LloreanThough I'm not sure what I could suggest for GSoC projects for next year.
13:56:33preglowi think that's going to be the least of our problems
13:56:56preglownot saying we have any big problems, just that thinking of ideas for projects isn't going to be very hard :P
13:56:59preglowviewports is definitely one
13:57:03preglowbut we'd need a big spec for that first
13:57:25GodEateramiconn keeps saying it'd be easier for him to just write it than spec it
13:57:27LloreanViewports and MIDI/MOD/etc are the two obvious ones I see.
13:57:36GodEaterQuake IV!
13:57:48preglowGodEater: that doesn't help us far
13:58:51GodEaterassuming MoB does actually get rolled into RB sometime soon, I'm guessing other projects could be porting things like the AA patch to use it
13:58:57LloreanWe should just start a covert campaign. Every two or three days, get him to explain a little more on viewports, and document it each time.
13:59:13GodEateralthough I'm not sure if that's a big enough task to make a whole GSoC project
13:59:17LloreanGodEater: I can almost guarantee AA will be working with MoB within 1, maybe 2 months of inclusion. ;)
13:59:41GodEaterdidn't Nico write the AA patch in the first place /
13:59:55LloreanHe's involved with it, I'm not sure who the initial writer was.
14:00:18B4gderI think he wrote it initially too
14:00:29LloreanI honestly tend to stop at the "Not me" segment of "People who did things" as in "It's not my fault, it must've been one of them."
14:00:37GodEaterwhat other uses do we envisage for MoB ?
14:00:54GodEaterLlorean: a healthy attitude :)
14:01:03LloreanProbably useful for cuesheets, lyrics, and other such frippery.
14:01:07B4gdernorwegian language classes!
14:01:28preglowbeing able to store as many files in the buffer as you want
14:01:32preglowcurrently there's a limit
14:01:37preglowwhich sucks for stuff like spc/mod/sid
14:01:38LloreanAh yes, 4000 sids.
14:01:43B4gdernorwegian language classes was one of the first examples that hit that limit
14:01:52B4gder32 currently I believe
14:02:04*GodEater is lost
14:02:07GodEatersids ?
14:02:22B4gderGodEater: we have one set of meta-data for each file
14:02:24LloreanGodEater: Obscure audio format, only used by really, really, really old people. :-P
14:02:31GodEaterLlorean: thanks
14:02:34preglowwith files like "du er en drittsekk.mp3" and "pass deg for svenskene.mp3" you're bound to hit the limit soon
14:02:51LloreanGodEater: In all serious, a type of chiptune, very small files. Very, very, very small.
14:03:11preglowGodEater: c64 tunes
14:03:19LloreanSo right now if you listen to a "full" buffer of them, 95% of your buffer is probably empty because of the 32-song limit.
14:03:23B4gderyou should listen to LinusN's and zagor's sid tunes made on my player! ;-)
14:03:46Zagorwe rock! :)
14:03:53LloreanI wonder if MoB could help with MIDI.
14:04:35markunZagor: wouldn't the commit message be more interesting instead of the files which got changed?
14:04:59B4gderI think we need both files and message
14:05:12B4gderand we need to put the "since" links back in somewhere
14:05:13Zagorit's a tough choice... commit messages without the files can be very non-informative too. there's not really any good choice other than all fields.
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14:05:42ZagorI think I'll try a new layout soon. anyone interested is free to play around and submit suggestions.
14:05:46preglowbut i'd say the info is more important than the files
14:06:05Zagoryeah but the info is not always comprehensible without the files
14:06:29LloreanSo train people to write better commit messages. :-P
14:06:31markuntrue. Like: "fix a potential buffer overflow" or something
14:07:04GodEateror let them change them post commit
14:07:11GodEaterwhen they realise they suck
14:07:29preglowZagor: agreed, both is fine, but if i can only have one, it's the message
14:08:11*Zagor spots a $100 donation. yikes!
14:08:39*Llorean waits for a feature request with a "I just donated a lot of money" attached.
14:08:39markunand why now, when a dollar isn't worth much ;)
14:08:47ZagorLlorean: haha
14:09:02*pixelma is reminded of the H120 offer :(
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14:11:50WebgiestHi I check in now and agian, kudos to the new rockbox look. I really like it.
14:12:28GodEaterWebgiest: you're in a minority of one I think
14:12:33GodEatermost people don't like it
14:12:38GodEaterassuming you mean
14:12:40gammywhich new look?
14:13:05gammywhat's different with it?
14:13:08Webgiestright I know needs tweaked IMO like I can't find my long list on SVN changes to read through
14:13:26GodEatergammy: if you can't even tell, it probably doesn't matter :)
14:13:35gammyGodEater: I suppose you're right.
14:13:37B4gderthe since links need to be re-added, yes
14:13:58gammyGodEater: But uh. See that as a good thing :)
14:14:24Webgiestlooks smooth though good job.
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14:18:00*amiconn still doesn't like the all-boxed frontpage
14:18:59gammysort of has an amiga feel to it don't you think?
14:21:26preglowi would like for the boxes to vanish
14:21:28preglowthat i would
14:21:37preglowboxes look... clumsy
14:21:55preglowbut having that info on the frontpage is good
14:22:38*GodEater would like to see more people responding to the "redesign front page" thread
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14:24:55jhMikeSstupid question: what's the origin of "rockbox blue"? it just reminds me H120's backlight color for lack of any other association.
14:25:11*GodEater has always wondered where the colour scheme came from too
14:25:21preglowit's been there forever
14:25:29preglowand people seem to be overly attached to it
14:25:44B4gderyeah, it comes from the original web "remake" design from around year 37
14:27:03jhMikeSrockbox is 1970 years old? :)
14:27:13B4gderabout ;-)
14:27:17BuscheljhMikeS: just answered in flyspray... didn't see you are online
14:27:20B4gderI lost count
14:27:44tyrion_Jesus kicked off the project just before he died
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14:27:48jhMikeSBuschel: just floating around
14:27:59GodEaterJesus is f****** metal
14:28:13jhMikeShmmm...blessed art thou rockboxers
14:28:47tyrion_sounds like something godly though, anti-lock in, anti closed doors, etc.
14:28:57BuscheljhMikeS: if you like, you may adapt the interface to your ideas. I won't be able to work too much on this in the next days (my parents visit us for several days)
14:29:38tyrion_anyone here any good at Database stuff?
14:29:57GodEatertyrion_: not really - bascule is the expert, and he's mainly forums only
14:30:00Buschelgotta go now
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14:30:12tyrion_GodEater: cool, i'll open a thread
14:30:23GodEatertyrion_: search first!!!
14:31:06tyrion_GodEater: have done so, question wasnt answered
14:31:17tyrion_or at least not the way i'm trying to do it
14:31:23preglowok, so where are we on the remove id3 priority setting deal?
14:31:37tyrion_GodEater: i'm not a _complete_ newb
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14:57:14jhMikeSRemove a setting? I think I'm gonna faint. ;)
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15:00:41preglowwell, the response isn't exactly overpowering
15:01:15preglowso far we've got one excuse to keep it: an esoteric scenario where player owners might want to keep displayable tags in id3v1, and full tags in id3v2, for where characters the player doesn't support are used
15:03:39LloreanI'm not sure that's a valid one, either
15:04:04LloreanI just realized, there's Sort and Display tags already, if they made use of those they could put the "Displayable" ones in the ones intended for Display
15:04:14LloreanIt's yet another application of my preferred solution to the "The" problem.
15:04:15jhMikeSwhat chars doesn't the player support? I though UTF-8 was used and just a matter of fonts.
15:04:32LloreanjhMikeS: The Player is the one with the charcell display. You can't change fonts.
15:04:44preglowplayer has a rom character set (limited) plus eight or so configurable ones
15:04:46jhMikeSah..._that_ meaning of "player"
15:04:49preglowwhich obviously limits what we can do
15:05:10Lloreanpreglow: Still, wouldn't the Sort vs Display tags address that edge case (or it could be adapted to, by a needy user, rather)?
15:05:34preglowLlorean: no idea
15:05:41LloreanI think it would.
15:06:03LloreanI mean it essentially means you have two Artist, two Album, two Title etc, one with the sole purpose of being displayed but not actually used functionally.
15:06:18LloreanID3v2.4 has tags explicitly for this I think.
15:06:58preglowdo we support it?
15:07:13*jhMikeS wonders about sorting hinting to allow for example "The" to be ignored. I hate "Red Hot Chili Peppers" not being next to "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" and I'm very literal about tagging files.
15:07:49Lloreanpreglow: I believe there's a patch for it, I'm not sure if it's been integrated.
15:08:12LloreanIt offers a semi-elegant solution to ignoring "The" as well. The display tag says "The Beatles" and the sort tag says "Beatles, The"
15:08:14*jhMikeS just digressed as usual
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15:09:50LloreanMost all the tagging formats we have either have an official set of "sort" variants of the tags, or have in some cases an accepted one.
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15:11:09jhMikeSLlorean: You mean a SortTitle= instead of Title= ? (something like that)
15:11:36LloreanjhMikeS: Yes. Basically, the database would index the Sort variant, and the WPS would display the normal one.
15:11:43preglowsounds good to me
15:11:48LloreanAlso handy in the case of bands that change their name, but you want them indexed as one band, etc, etc.
15:12:06LloreanBut it seems like it'd solve the Player problem as well
15:12:11preglowanyway, i'll go for a bike ride, see about courses of action on the id3 prio afterwars
15:12:14preglowafterwards too
15:12:16jhMikeSmakes the issue of "Der, Die, El, La" vs. "The" moot
15:12:19markunsafetydan pointed me to this page:
15:13:04Llorean is the task, I believe
15:13:36LloreanjhMikeS: It really solves all those questions with the cost of "The user needs to make sure their files are tagged to their satisfaction"
15:13:37markunjhMikeS: and there are some other cases. I would like to have the artists called mu-Ziq (with a greek mu) under M
15:14:33markunLlorean: and those people could create a tool which adds extra sorting tags for everything starting with "The"
15:14:56jhMikeSAnd .lang files don't contain regional info, correct? I mean the decimal separator characters and such could be contained there to display 3,14159 instead of 3.14159.
15:15:10Lloreanmarkun: Exactly my opinion, it could even be made into a plugin like VBRfix
15:16:55LloreanIf we're going to start naming things like that again, we might as well go all out.
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15:17:52markunGodEater: would could as well make it a full blown tag editor :)
15:18:09jhMikeStheremovingtagbox, the. (yes, "The The" is listed as "The, The" in my collection :)
15:18:11GodEatersome masochist would use it I'm sure
15:18:47markunGodEater: I've heard about people editing WPS' in rockbox :)
15:19:42GodEatermarkun: masochists, as I said ;)
15:20:37*jhMikeS doesn't understand this wanting every possible PC function on the target itself :\
15:20:39*GodEater wants a port of screen to Rockbox
15:21:09B4gderwe need a rockbox simulator in rockbox!
15:21:13B4gderuser-land rockbox
15:21:23GodEaterrockbox as app on rockbox
15:21:50B4gderhm, is it user-mode they call that linux thing?
15:22:04B4gderyes it is...
15:22:18*GodEater has used it once or twice
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15:22:56jhMikeSR-BINE? "Rock-Box Is Not an Emulator"?
15:25:12jhMikeSI think that should be "R-BINE Is Not an Emulator". After "WINE" of course. eh, never mind. :P
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15:32:39krazykitgood ol' open source recursive acronyms :D
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15:36:53markunif you want to know why open source is bad, this guy has the answers:
15:37:19markunthere more nice posts by the same guy in this thread
15:38:35B4gderwe could invite him to rockbox to share the fun! ;-P
15:39:28markunB4gder: he's a MS shareholder so I guess he only uses DAPs with windows CE
15:41:08LloreanI like his assumption that nobody ever does open source in their free time.
15:41:16LloreanYou either do it while on welfare, or you do it while at work stealing company time.
15:42:06Llorean"Open Source is an anti Microsoft religion"
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15:42:16markunB4gder is a good example of a guy who has no real world experience and only works on rockbox because he is anti-MS
15:42:47B4gderthat's me
15:43:46markunB4gder: and by living in a country like sweden you are practically anti-capitalism by default :)
15:43:50jhMikeSmarkun: open source should be illegal (lemme, guess...he says that ?). I will read that promptly.
15:43:57jbit""One of the three things that a supplier should never discuss is politics ... that's business 101." [...] "rantings of left wing academics" [...]
15:44:01jbitseems pretty fun :)
15:45:04LloreanHe reminds me of a few people who've berated us for our horrible support.
15:45:27markunshould I have posted this link in #rockbox-community ?
15:46:00B4gdernooo, then I would've missed it!
15:46:21*Llorean wonders when the first feature request for this $35000 codec will come in.
15:48:53B4gderbut the development license is only 15000 ;-)
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15:49:14markunB4gder: then who has to pay $35000? The user?
15:49:27B4gderfor 35 you get => "Licensee is allowed to distribute a product or service that incorporates or implements the RTAudio codec."
15:49:38jhMikeSTo anyone that would try to equate open-source with communist ideals (or some such nonsense): Participation is voluntary and anyone is here free to write closed-source software and charge for it too. OS is very capitalistic and free-market.
15:49:45B4gderfor 15 => "Licensee is provided the RTAudio porting kit to evaluate the codec and/or create a product or service that incorporates or implements the RTAudio codec."
15:50:38B4gderso, you basically need to cough up 50 to develop and distribute anything with it
15:50:41LloreanSo, for $15k you get to play, but not actually use/distribute?
15:51:02jbitto be honest, it's not too bad as licensing goes
15:51:30markunjbit: yes, strange that google is planning to use speex for their jabber voip sutff
15:51:39B4gdergiven a fair volume it's not that much money of course
15:51:49markunno, not really
15:51:57jbitB4gder: nod, i'm guessing it's mainly aimed for people selling millions of products
15:52:04B4gdermost likely yes
15:52:12markunwe don't even sell 1 product
15:52:21LloreanIt's a drop in the bucket assuming a better option isn't available, but it seems they're claiming that speex is still technologically superior.
15:52:34jbitmarkun: but it's not (or at least shouldn't be) targeted anywhere near us :)
15:52:44B4gder"RTAudio is the preferred Microsoft Real-Time audio codec and is the default codec for Microsoft?s Unified Communications platforms"
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16:05:16jhMikeS"One of the three things that a supplier should never discuss is politics ... that's business 101. Speex may be a very good product, _but we will never use it because of the politics that you espouse_...". lol
16:06:01B4gderespouse, is that like a wife on the internet?
16:06:21LloreanHehehe. eSpouse.
16:06:37LloreanAnd a half decade later, the Apple iSpouse?
16:07:17B4gderand then "iSpouse touch" ...
16:07:35*B4gder stops
16:07:51jhMikeSYou have to guess what's wrong because eSpouses are closed-source. :)
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16:16:52*jhMikeS wants to JTAG the iSpouse
16:20:18LloreanIt looks like there's a patch for the Motorola "port" of the Sim now.
16:20:47*Domonoky is just looking at that patch.. :-)
16:21:10LloreanIt's against month old code, or so the filename claims.
16:21:34B4gderis it big?
16:21:44B4gderthe patch?
16:21:45jhMikeSLlorean: is that the blackhawk thing?
16:22:04LloreanB4gder: Yes, 492kb according to my archive manager (the .patch file inside the zip)
16:22:06LloreanjhMikeS: Yes
16:22:11B4gderwow, that's indeed a lot
16:22:13Domonokyand the patch file seems to contain other patches..
16:22:18Llorean <−− Last file in the first post.
16:22:18B4gderI thought it be rather small
16:23:29LloreanYeah, it seems to include several other patches like bmp resize. =/
16:23:36LloreanAlbum art, etc.
16:23:57LloreanOh look, it includes a .orig file.. =/
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16:33:13jhMikeSwhy is the motorola thing being done on the side?
16:33:49B4gderthey modified lcd_setmargins() ... ?
16:33:56B4gderjhMikeS: their choice
16:34:49B4gderah, is that a margin patch perhaps
16:35:12LloreanIt's a bit hard to tell what's added for what purpose. me, strange choice
16:35:50LloreanjhMikeS: I think it's like the PSP Homebrew Community. The goal is to make some device do something it's not supposed to do, rather than to get involved with various projects and expand them.
16:35:53B4gderwould be nicer to get their stuff incorporated properly
16:35:54LloreanIt's about the phone, not about Rockbox.
16:36:50B4gderthere's quite a lot of white space changes too
16:37:55amiconnjhMikeS: Probably because they started from the ipod video sim, instead of the gigabeat sim
16:37:56jhMikeSLlorean: I not sure what a device is supposed to do given it's just a darn computer running software. :\
16:39:13jhMikeSamiconn: why from the sim? I get the impression is actually runs on the hardware or is it not a firmware replacement but a program?
16:39:23LloreanjhMikeS: Just meant that what I've seen from the PSP community is that it's often a "l33t h4x" feeling, with one person providing and a bunch of users receiving and not interested in source at all.
16:39:32B4gderit is a sim built for the linux phone
16:39:38B4gderso it runs as an app in that linux
16:39:54B4gderthat's why it is a "sim"
16:40:11B4gderthus not really a sim :-)
16:40:19jhMikeSthings do get stranger all the time
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16:43:07jhMikeSwell, if there could be a rockbox linux emulator, the circle would be complete
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16:46:56GodEaterhas anyone posted a quick thank you to Blackhawk on the motorola forum ?
16:48:18*GodEater sees that no-one has, and so does it himself
16:51:27jhMikeSquick (perhaps OT question): is there a command to adjust sound volume in debian? Having both the SIM and host volume cranked is still way too quiet.
16:51:41GodEateralsamixer ?
16:51:51GodEateror alsamixergui if you're running X
16:52:12jhMikeSVMWare so maybe it's there?
16:52:33GodEaterI've no idea how the sound works in VMWare - but it should still make a difference
16:53:08GodEaterI think VMWare emulates some sort of creative card
16:53:10GodEaterbut I could be wrong
16:53:47GodEaterour VMWare image does run X IIRC
16:53:53GodEaterso alsamixergui should be the thing to use
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16:59:22jhMikeSI just keep getting "<x> depends on <y>" endlessly. Stopped at "x11-common"
17:00:34GodEaterI hate apt
17:00:59GodEaterwhat were you trying to apt-get ?
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17:01:07jhMikeSGodEater: yup
17:01:14GodEaterwhich package I mean
17:02:18jhMikeSI started with "apt-get install alsamixergui" and kept adding packages and it still kept up with the dependencies
17:03:02GodEateris there a package which just has alsamixer in it instead ?
17:03:10GodEaterthat should have fewer deps
17:03:16GodEaterand it'll run in a terminal window
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17:03:21jhMikeSI'll try that one. I kinda wanted the fancy one.
17:03:36GodEateralsamixer is still ncurses based - it's not too bad
17:03:47jhMikeSfirst thing I'll do it api-get update
17:04:05GodEatergood idea
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17:09:39jhMikeSargh, all the connections are timing out. :P I need to make a bigger image than 2GB too but I'm too lazy.
17:11:03GodEateror just install linux properly ? ;)
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17:16:25in-janehow long your Sansa e200 battery lasts with original firmware? I'm testing mine and it has lasted for 17 hours and still going :o
17:16:53in-jane(and how long is lasts with Rockbox? i'll try it next)
17:16:57GodEaterin-jane: I think most users have reported ~20 hours
17:17:03GodEaterand in rockbox about ~15
17:17:55in-janenice. for some reason i have thought it lasts only 15 hours with the original firmware.
17:18:57GodEaterin-jane: it all depends on a lot of factors, how healthy you battery is, your usage pattern, your music format etc. etc.
17:20:20in-janeok. good to know.
17:20:47GodEaterslightly OT question: Does anyone understand how/what libtool does ?
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17:21:16GodEaterand why sometimes when I build stuff I get lots of "libtool: warning libXXXX seems to be moved" ?
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17:23:14senabjust got my new e280 and i have the two coloured lines at the top!
17:23:41jhMikeSGodEater: ??
17:23:54senabanyway, i found FS #7692, does that also fix when booting into the OF?
17:24:49senabignore me, it's already been accepted
17:24:57*jhMikeS wonders if the e200 bl was changed to contain the fixed lcd init
17:25:20senabit's not
17:25:48senabwell, sansapatcher isn't anyway
17:26:09GodEaterjhMikeS: yes that's the tool - but I don't fully understand what it does
17:26:23jhMikeSI've never changed my bl personally but last I was told, the SVN one worked fine.
17:26:56GodEatersenab: how do you find the controls ?
17:26:56senabwell i've just downloaded sansapatcher and it's definetly garbled
17:27:00*jhMikeS reads the "What the heck is libtool?"
17:27:17GodEaterjhMikeS: if you can decipher it - do translate into mere english for me :)
17:27:36senabgodeater: different, the buttons around the wheel seam a bit hard to press but i'll get used to it
17:27:51senabthe pro's outweight the cons as they say
17:28:12GodEatersenab: I wasn't at all keen on the one I saw - but glad you think you can live with it ;)
17:28:43senabcan sansapatcher install 'foreign' bootloaders?
17:29:05jhMikeSsenab: you should be able to use a newere mi4.
17:29:41senabjhMikeS: sorry if i'm sounding dim but what do you mean?
17:32:27jhMikeSsansapatcher -a PP5022.mi4 but you'd need the new mi4 bootloader file. I've never actually replaced my bl yet myself.
17:33:38senabwhere do you get the PP5022.mi4 file from?
17:33:48GodEatersenab: build from svn I'd imagine
17:34:20senabi've just compiled the bootloader but it's in the usual bin format
17:34:28GodEateryou have that ?
17:34:50GodEaterit's on Bagder's site
17:35:18jhMikeSGodEater: I guess there's alot of platform-specific procedure to building shared libs and libtool is designed to hide all that and deal with the nitty-gritty stuff.
17:35:52GodEaterthat's about all I managed to glean too
17:36:01GodEaterI still don't understand the warnings it gives me though
17:36:06GodEateresp. as they're sporadic
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17:37:04senab thats looks complicated lol
17:37:31senabnot even sure what it does lol
17:37:46GodEaterturns a .bin into a .mi4 and vice versa
17:38:22*GodEater gets invited to the pub, and decides to go
17:38:27preglowcurse you!"¤!"
17:38:56jhMikeSmi4code build <filename>.bin
17:39:21senabthanks ;)
17:39:31jhMikeSmaybe it's encrypt instead. I did it one time.
17:40:11senabi think you need a mi4 to encrypt first
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17:41:04senabinfact reading the description, they both sound similar
17:41:10jhMikeSyes. you need to build a bootloader. I thought it built the mi4
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17:42:46senabi've built the bootloader already, im just working out what to do next
17:44:43jhMikeSguess I'll work it out and replace mine too
17:45:11senabthink i'll leave it for a bit
17:45:23senabi can live without using the OF anyway
17:45:34jhMikeSthe mi4 is right there after building the bl
17:46:11senabgod, im a tw*t
17:46:27*senab slaps forehead
17:47:10*jhMikeS has a new bootloader now
17:47:20senabdo i need to uninstall the previus bootloader first?
17:48:11senabcheers, just done it
17:48:33advcomp2019<senab> i can live without using the OF anyway <−−- how are you going to get music on to it
17:48:51jhMikeSsenab: do tell me if the problem goes away or not
17:48:55senabadvcomp2019: i meant using it as a player
17:49:03senabjhMikeS: all sorted now
17:49:09senabthanks for your help
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17:49:41senabadevcomp2019: i can live with the two lines at the top just for MSC
17:51:11Sippin45Can any1 tell me where to get a precompiled build of [sncviewer plugin for Ipod-4G]?
17:51:29jhMikeSsenab: did the lines go away or not?
17:52:01senabjhMikeS: ^^^ "all sorted now" yes they did, thanks
17:52:31senabnext step... port my WPSs
17:53:39senabone thing i did find with the bootloader is that if no rockbox.e200 file is found it just stops
17:53:55senabon the ipod, it then proceeded to load the OF
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17:55:18jhMikeSsince it was change from rockbox.e200 to rockbox.mi4, a bootloader made before that change might not work right.
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18:01:53*jhMikeS thinks he said another sense thing just then. what's new. :P
18:02:00jhMikeSsenseless even
18:02:20alienbiker99does the album art need to have a certain name or can it just be artist.bmp, etc
18:03:28krazykitdepends on how you have album art set up
18:03:44krazykitif it's in the folder itself, it's cover.bmp
18:04:00krazykitthere's also an option for it to be Album Title.bmp, but it's all in the wiki page
18:04:14alienbiker99oh, crap i forgot to look there
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18:24:18jeegerLittle question: Is the iPod infinite reboot with auto power off now fixed? Because now, if I attach my wall charger, I see a little 'plug' icon in the upper left, and the battery icon changes.
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18:27:19jeegerSeems like it. I have now been charging for more than one minute, and no shutdown. Three Cheers for the developers! I love you^^
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19:05:04BuscheljhMikeS: you there?
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19:14:23Buschelcan anyone tell me how many wheelclicks per full rotation (360) a sansa has?
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19:22:09jhMikeSBuschel: I'd really have to do a good reading. I don't think anyone did a count yet.
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19:29:52BuscheljhMikeS: ok. so I will assume 64 at a first shot? I just found time to change the interface to degree/sec instead of wheelclicks. for this I need to define this value somewhere (current in config-...h)
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19:33:13senabis there anyway to stop the sansa OF stopp refreshing the database on load? lol
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19:33:50jhMikeSI counted like 56 just by counting list movements but I don't trust it since it varies. I need a test directly in the driver.
19:34:21Buschelok, so 64 is ok for a first shot?
19:34:30jhMikeSsenab: there's some #define in the bl to stop it but it's dependent on OF version
19:34:43jhMikeSBuschel: sure. I'll do a count shortly since I'm curious too
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19:38:33senabstarted porting my WPSs for the E200. Slant:
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19:44:25eigmacould a committer take a look at and
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19:47:23amiconnBuschel: All ipods have 96 clicks/rotation, so that seems to be a common value...
19:48:21amiconnThat applies to the mechanical wheel (1st gen) and the touch/clickwheels of the later models
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19:52:09Buschelamiconn: good news. then I will move the define for this value to the driver.
19:54:33LloreanWith the Sansa having discrete clicks, can't you just count them?
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19:57:36jhMikeSLlorean: not from the UI. I count something different every time so I'll just splash it up in the driver really quickly.
19:58:16n1seigma: I comitted fs#7765, I'm not very familiar with ata and multivolume stuff so I'll leave fs#7752 to someone else
19:58:26eigmaokay, thanks
20:00:06LloreanjhMikeS: I meant in debug, or as a plugin, or some other way that isn't going to skip steps.
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20:01:17jhMikeSit won't skip steps just to count it in the ISR
20:01:52amiconneigma, n1s: fs#7752 is looking good. I'll check - the Ondio sim should also crash when checking sizes without that patch....
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20:04:04jhMikeSit's 48
20:04:13LloreanSo, 1/2 the number of iPods
20:04:42Buschelthis explains that you need other setting :o)
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20:09:30DarkEDhey all
20:09:40DarkEDi'm using the newest rockbox with my 5th gen ipod video
20:10:06DarkEDi'm curious, is there a PSF plugin? i figured there might be since there's an SPC plugin...
20:10:10amiconnBuschel: Btw, a hardware dependent value should not be defined in the config-*.h files unless it is absolutely necessary
20:10:35amiconnI'd thinkg button-target.h would be a good place for the number of wheel clicks/rotation
20:11:11jhMikeSamiconn: I wanted it there as a means for users of the data to obtain a revs/s count if they want that. Where else should it go?
20:11:19Buschelamiconn: you're right, corrected that. The defines are placed within in the driver.c's as this is the only place where there are used
20:11:55jhMikeSit should be public info imo
20:12:27*pixelma just noticed that all the slightly bigger binaries of Archos targets were all compiled on Slasheri's "ihme" client (not the "xen.ihme")
20:12:34amiconnbutton-target.h is included in button.h
20:12:44DarkEDso... guess there's no psf codec
20:12:55jhMikeSright, so I guess that's about the ideal spot
20:14:10*jhMikeS removes the liquid paper mark from the wheel
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20:16:29*petur is now the proud owner of an h320 as well :)
20:18:54*alienbiker99 needs to get a new battery for my H320
20:18:56jhMikeSpetur: the H380 died?
20:19:05peturno, I wanted a backup
20:19:06pixelmathe differences for arm targets are all caused by "deepthought" (which is ender`s) and the info states a slightly different arm-elf-gcc (4.0.4) and arm-elf-ld (2.17)
20:19:49peturNow I might try the new bootloader and tweak the IDE access to see if that is what fails on my h380
20:21:33alienbiker99petur, wahts the new bootloader?
20:21:46peturusb charging & co
20:21:56n1spetur: it might be that the bootloader now is compiled with -Os
20:22:27peturn1s: and?
20:23:02n1spetur: that change broke a couple of delay loops in some drivers, maybe the same happened to the bl
20:23:44alienbiker99how can i test this new bl?
20:25:25jhMikeSn1s: does the sim still have a bit more delay in it? would you mind testing a couple one-liner patches?
20:25:34amiconnpetur: Now get a 60GB single platter and make an ata50-zif adapter ;)
20:25:55*petur drools
20:28:01n1sjhMikeS: yup still takes about 5 sec to start it, and sure I can test
20:29:25*petur sighs... drowned in work :(
20:29:26jhMikeSn1s: ok, thanks. I'll link-up in a sec.
20:30:06Buschelwhat do I exactly have to type in a printf to get ""?">
20:31:10n1sjhMikeS: should I test them separately or together?
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20:31:25jhMikeSseparately, removing one first
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20:31:49jhMikeSif one is better than the other, tell me which
20:32:33amiconnBuschel: Rockbox uses UTF-8 internally, so just insert the degree sign in UTF-8
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20:33:51jhMikeSis that temp. degrees or angular degrees ? :p I hoping the latter.
20:34:14amiconnThe sign is the same...
20:34:46jhMikeSlol. of course. I'm wondering which context is intended.
20:35:25n1sjhMikeS: ok, with #1 it's as snappy as it used to be, with #2 its as slow as without the patch
20:35:32amiconnI would think it's angular degrees
20:36:06Buschelyep :)
20:36:22jhMikeSme too. just making sure because I don't want a 360-degree wheel. ;)
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20:38:52amiconnOndio sim does indeed segfault when entering "Rockbox Info"...
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20:39:25pixelmajhMikeS: why not? Get used to it ;)
20:39:49jhMikeSn1s: interesting...and thanks for checking
20:40:04jhMikeSpixelma: guess I'll need some good oven mits
20:40:44*amiconn is a bit slow today...
20:40:54BuscheljhMikeS: just updated the scrollwheel-patch with new interface, I'm interested in your opinion :)
20:41:09jhMikeSBuschel: I'll try shortly
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20:43:43amiconnjhMikeS: Depends on what scale the 360 degrees use ;)
20:44:51jhMikeSwell, if it's K it might be ok
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20:51:11amiconnBagder: around?
20:54:32^JimmyRidge^is there a linux rockbox installer
20:54:39jhMikeSBuschel: compiling now
20:55:08^JimmyRidge^well yeah i kno therre is one i just cant find it agian
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20:56:19^JimmyRidge^ipod nano
20:59:14Llorean^JimmyRidge^: Start by reading the manual, perhaps?
20:59:19pixelma^JimmyRidge^: what does the manual tell you?
20:59:27pixelmatoo slow...
20:59:43^JimmyRidge^im soo happy
20:59:53^JimmyRidge^im buying a nano 1st gen today
20:59:59^JimmyRidge^for 90$
21:00:38^JimmyRidge^screw my greyscale 4thgen :P
21:01:24jhMikeSBuschel: slow mode seems to be gone. it's not really controllable anymore.
21:02:04BuscheljhMikeS: hmm, you cannot reach the config?
21:04:12jhMikeSI did and set it to the highest velocity. it's not working right. it jumps list items even with small, slow movements now.
21:05:13Buscheli can't explain :/ the changes for sansa wre copied from mine for ipod. for ipod it works
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21:07:54jhMikeSwell, I remove the patch now and compare again
21:10:43jhMikeSyep, goes back to being controllable again
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21:13:06jhMikeSI think I see why. WHEEL_FAST_ON/OFF_INTERVAL and such isn't rescaled to the new units.
21:13:33Buscheldamn! you're right −− my fault
21:13:52jhMikeSleave the intervals in raw uS though.
21:14:47Buscheland if you apply *360/WHEELCLICKS_PER_ROTATION to these is works?
21:17:55jhMikeSI'll check it
21:18:45Buschelbtw, found another bug: >1 means >=2 when using integer :/ so, the configuration range and defaults must be changed...
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21:22:58jhMikeSman, I can't get it into fast mode at all now
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21:27:01BuscheljhMikeS: a simple idea -> apply the *360/WHEELCLICKS_PER_ROTATION to wheel_velocity just within the queue_post. this way the other calculations are not tocued
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21:32:03Kid_Buuhi... im reading the manual right now for e280.. and it says i have to go into MSC mode ... but evrytime I do that.. the whole unit freezes and then it gives me a hardware error.. cant i use USB instead?
21:32:22jhMikeSbugger. think I have to reboot. usb is borked here.
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21:33:00BuscheljhMikeS: how did you rescale the FAST_ON/FAST_OFF constants?
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21:35:55pixelmawould anyone object if I remove the ability to restart in chessbox through a button press/button combo? You can now restart through the menu and on X5/M5 the old defined button combo never worked. By restarting through the menu only it won't happen accidentally as it could happen now.
21:37:05pixelmaon targets where the button combo works, of course.
21:37:17jhMikeSbuschel. I rescaled the constants. I'm going to leave internal operations raw though and just convert for the queue_post
21:37:38*jhMikeS has to wait for the VMWare to reboot
21:37:48n1spixelma: sounds like a good idea
21:39:24Kid_Buuafter i installed the bootloader .. my e280 player is now displaying writting on the LCD .. is that normal? should I disconnect my player now?
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21:42:07BuscheljhMikeS: I'll do the same to be able to post a working patch soon
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21:45:13pixelman1s: thanks for the opinion
21:45:15jhMikeSin the queue_post
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21:48:16jhMikeSBuschel: shouldn't degrees/s have a voiced unit too?
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21:49:30webguest48i dont even know what an irc is...
21:49:37BuscheljhMikeS: never coped with that
21:49:55Buscheldoes it work now? then I would like to update the patch
21:50:05webguest48could you guys help me with rockbox?
21:50:23jhMikeSthe settings range does need tweaking but it works fine now. 712.5 is where it began by default
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21:51:12Domonokywebguest48: just ask your question..
21:51:45webguest48oh ummm
21:51:50webguest48you guys didnt really answer
21:51:54webguest48so i didnt say anything
21:52:04jhMikeSso the max setting is pretty much like svn is. 180 just flies though about 1100 entries in 2 turnes. heh
21:52:04webguest48i need help editing a .wps
21:52:17webguest48i just got rockbox yesterday
21:52:28webguest48and i like a WPS i found yesterday
21:52:39webguest48but it displays things i dont want to see
21:52:57webguest48and i edit it in notepad and i have no idea what im doing ...
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21:53:33Domonokywebguest48: take a look at:
21:53:45webguest48im not even sure what an irc is
21:53:53Domonokythis is irc .. :-)
21:54:12webguest48i read all that
21:54:21webguest48i deleted the %xxxxxx i didnt want
21:54:25webguest48and it got all f'd up
21:54:48BigBambiwebguest48: Put your wps code in a pastebin so we can look
21:54:57BuscheljhMikeS: updated the patch in flyspray, hopefully this version works for sansa now.
21:54:57webguest48heres 2 links
21:55:21jhMikeSBuschel: what about the skip count. this provides load independence to the velocity since it's not squared.
21:55:30webguest48that too
21:56:08webguest48heres some info you might need i guess? i have a 30gb and im using todays daily build
21:56:21BigBambiwebguest48: can you paste the code into and give me the link? I don't want to start downloading things from download sites
21:56:23jhMikeSand I'm not referring to "v" but to the cursor speed.
21:56:33BigBambiwebguest48: 30gb iPod Video?
21:56:36BuscheljhMikeS: for sansa yes, that's the way it worked before. for ipod the skip count is squared as well
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21:57:10BigBambiand you should use the current build (which changes many times per day), not daily, but I doubt it matters in this case
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21:57:38webguest48ill go to the paste bin thing
21:57:44jhMikeSmmm...yes, but why? that way if the list view can only process half as many messages, the list speed will quadruple for the same wheel speed.
21:57:45webguest48i didnt know what you were talking about
21:58:12BigBambino problem
21:58:13webguest48i have no idea what pastebin is....
21:58:36BigBambiIt lets you paste text, and is really useful for error output, or pieces of code to let others see it
21:58:48webguest48the sendspace link is a .zip i made, it contains the .wps and the .bmps that display
21:58:57webguest48its not a virus or w/e
21:59:03BuscheljhMikeS: if you transmit the skip count for ipod the scrolling is not controllable (tested with my ipod). this seems to happen as all skips with <=4 are ignored.
22:00:03BigBambiwebguest48: I don't disbelieve you, but I hate clicking through loads of crap, typing in numbers etc. Also, I'm on linux so a virus in it would be pretty harmless :)
22:00:11webguest48try that i guess?
22:00:13BigBambiwebguest48: Cheers, looking now
22:00:21webguest48i just pasted the /wps crap from notepad
22:00:52webguest48brb taking some advil, this is frustrating and cuase me to get a headache...
22:01:09BuscheljhMikeS: that's why I only wanted to transfer the velocity, square it and find a factor which will lead to scroll 1 for <=xy /s and >1 for >xy /s
22:02:16BuscheljhMikeS: nevertheless haptics feels good :)
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22:03:13jhMikeSBuschel: how would skips <= 4 be ignored?
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22:03:27webguest48i dont know what im doing on this irc thingy...
22:03:32webguest48i keep logging out somehow
22:03:49Bagderand you keep not selecting a sensible nick...
22:04:23BuscheljhMikeS: driver says skip<4 && skip>-4 -> ignore (BUTTON_NONE). maybe to avoid list scroll with jittery fingers?
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22:05:08webguest48are you still there BigBambi?
22:05:09BuscheljhMikeS: I did not fully rework the driver, but patched the acceleration into it ;o)
22:05:38BigBambiwebguest48: yep, it takes a little looking through the syntax on WPS files - I haven't made on for ages
22:05:53jhMikeSBuschel: When I did the sansa driver, I dumped all the old logic except for the determination of direction to not rely on such stuff from an older implementation.
22:06:04webguest48i dunno how your going to help unless you put it on a video ipod
22:06:09krazykitwebguest48, if you're having problems with a WPS, grab a simulator and run it with −−debugwps
22:06:24webguest48i just told you i got rockbox yesterday
22:06:28BigBambiwebguest48: The Sim is the obvious place, especially as you can make it output debugging info
22:06:33webguest48im not teh 1337 haxxor like you guys
22:06:43BuscheljhMikeS: maybe that's the next step when the acceleration stuff is finished
22:06:44krazykitnever say anything like that again.
22:06:56BigBambiheh, nor are any people here :)
22:07:04krazykitit's a ridiculous term
22:07:15krazykitbut the sim WILL tell you what's broken, so you can fix it
22:07:21krazykitWPS syntax is really not that tough
22:07:22webguest48well the progress bar thing that fills up isnt even in the box thing
22:07:48jhMikeSBuschel: I would've removed that an implemented the hysteresis or something more analagous to a drag rectangle in a GUI. When you touch it, you have to move it far enough before the first event happens.
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22:07:58BigBambiSo it works but is misaligned, or do you just get the default WPS? (The one with tiny writing and peakmeters)
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22:08:49webguest48oh umm
22:08:59webguest48it displays the EscapePod one
22:09:08webguest48its not default with little letters
22:09:50BigBambiwebguest48: OK, so there is nothing wrong with the syntax - if there were it would display the default one
22:09:58BuscheljhMikeS: does the updated patch work now? if so, I would be interested in your proposal for settings-range and defaults
22:10:09BigBambiSo I'm guessing that the text shows OK, but the images are wrong?
22:11:04webguest48yes the text shows and all the images show
22:11:11webguest48the progress bar is just messed up
22:11:26BigBambione moment
22:11:26webguest48and i want the kbps/year of the song / other crap gone
22:11:35webguest48i downloaded the sim thingy
22:11:36webguest48hold on
22:12:11BigBambiwebguest48: to remove that info is fairly easy - check the CustomWPS page to find what string displays it and delete it
22:12:25webguest48i did delete lines
22:12:29webguest48and it got messed up
22:12:37webguest48i deleted the things i wanted gone
22:12:44webguest48i was on the custom wps pages
22:13:10BigBambiwebguest48: The WPS is line based - if you remove a line with text you need to insert a blank line so the following lines stay where they were
22:13:20Domonokywebguest48: if you delete lines, insert empty lines, so that the res keeps aligned..
22:13:21jhMikeSBuschel: will check. I really would suggest dumping old filtering schemes first and working clean.
22:13:27BigBambiDomonoky: I win!
22:13:36webguest48i put extra lines back in
22:13:40XavierGrpetur: if you don't want to bump into troubles (assuming that you will compile your bootloader) make sure that you will compile revision 12547
22:13:41webguest48and it was still screwed up
22:13:46BuscheljhMikeS: would be great if you could just post your suggestions (range, default) to flyspray. I better gotta go now −− my wife's a bit unrelaxed about me still hanging around in front of the computer ;o)
22:14:04XavierGrpetur: versions further than that will make the bootloader to hang when you try to load Rockbox
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22:14:32BigBambiwebguest48: Which tags do you want removed?
22:14:39XavierGr(well not sure which version after that spawns the problem but that is the one I am using right now)
22:14:40jhMikeSBuschel: I'll look into that. See you later.
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22:15:09webguest48hold on
22:16:00webguest48i want: the year the track is/ the track number / the kbps gone
22:16:16webguest48i want it to say : song / artist/ album
22:17:06Frazzwhat is disk spindown?
22:17:15BigBambiWhat are the %xx tags for year/tracknum/bitrate? (I can't be bothered to look them up myself)
22:17:21peturXavierGr: is somebody looking into what the problem is?
22:17:31webguest48hold on
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22:17:45BigBambiFrazz: How long the disk waits idle before spinning down.
22:17:54XavierGrI tried but I never managed to see what's wrong
22:18:03Frazzwhat do you mean by spinning down?
22:18:06XavierGrpetur: same problem applies for all coldfire iriver targets
22:18:18XavierGrit will hang on a SET_REG macro
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22:18:54peturXavierGr: I'll check it out when I find the time, hope some time this month :(
22:18:54webguest48%iy = year (which i want gone)
22:18:57pixelmasomeone else got an opinion about restarting in chessbox (re. my question about 45 minutes ago)?
22:19:06BigBambipixelma: I agre with you
22:19:27webguest48%in= track # (which i want gone)
22:19:30BigBambiI would rather go to a menu to restart than accidental lose a long game
22:20:01webguest48% fs and %fv also
22:20:25webguest48i want %iy/%in/%fs/%fv
22:20:35pixelmawebguest48: are you sure it's not the default wps you are seeing, just with a bigger font?
22:20:38webguest48and the progress bar fixed
22:20:40webguest48if you can
22:20:49Frazzwhat is meant by hard disk spinning down?
22:20:58webguest48yes im sure its not the default WPS
22:21:33BigBambiFrazz: It stops spinning = saves power, but takes longer to then spin up again before you can access it
22:22:40BigBambiwebguest48: I may be being blind but I can't see %iy in the WPS you posted
22:23:14Frazzand there is no way to keep it spinning for as long as the player is on?
22:23:42pixelmaFrazz: why you would want that?
22:23:51BigBambiFrazz: why?
22:24:32Frazzso there is no pause whe i use it again
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22:25:26BigBambiFrazz: use dircahce
22:25:33BigBambiSorry, dircache
22:25:53amiconnKeeping the disk spinning all the time would drain the battery *very* fast, and would cause a very high risk for the disk becoming damaged
22:26:10BigBambiIt caches your directory structure to ram so browsing is instant without needing to spin the disk up
22:26:45Frazzso when does the disk spin?
22:26:55BigBambiIf you use dircache to load music
22:27:07BigBambiIf you don't use dircache when you want to browse directories
22:27:15BigBambi* as well
22:27:23Frazzi see
22:27:33markunalso when you start a plugin
22:27:53webguest48i need to leave now ...
22:27:58webguest48if you can fix the .wps
22:28:06webguest48post it in my rockboxforum thread
22:28:10BigBambiYes, true. Basically dircache (and I think load to RAM for database), stops spinning on browsing and speeds it up
22:28:19Frazzwill changing tracks start it spinning with cache on?
22:28:29webguest48thanks in advance
22:28:31BigBambiwebguest48: I'm not sure how, as some of the tags you say you want removed are not there in the first place
22:28:48BigBambiFrazz: Only if they are not buffered
22:28:56webguest48well thanks in advance
22:29:12markunFrazz: maybe you should just use rockbox for a while, then you know all these things :)
22:29:18BigBambiSelecting a new playlist will have to spin the disk to load music, but skippig to the next song shouldn't as it is already in RAM
22:29:36BigBambiNext song in an already playing playlist that is
22:30:02Frazzi have been using rockbox for a while, but i have no way learn without asking or reading :p
22:30:06BigBambiwebguest48: Sorry not to help more, but to be honest, most people who know WPS do forums more than here
22:30:26webguest48ok then
22:30:36BigBambiAnd they probably haven't answered as you put a link to megaupload or whatever, and like me they didn't bother to click through to look
22:30:39webguest48its been in the forum for an hour
22:30:42webguest48with no help
22:30:54BigBambian hour isn't that long!
22:31:08webguest48the one thread got a post from a mob in <8 minutes
22:31:25 Quit actionshrimp ("( :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: )")
22:31:25Lloreanwebguest48: You're asking for specialized help from people who may not check the forum more than once a day.
22:31:29BigBambitry putting the pastebin link on there as well, and don't forget to use modify (instead of double posting)
22:31:45 Quit jeeger (""Me (heart) bitlbee"")
22:32:14LloreanDo not judge based on responses to other threads as relevant at all to the response time to your thread. You're also asking people to do something *for* you, which has instructions on the CustomWPS page
22:32:18webguest48i dont remeber the pastebin link though
22:32:25LloreanSo many people may not respond just because they think you need to read and learn to do it yourself.
22:32:47BigBambiwebguest48: Either look in the history or log for the link, or just paste it again
22:32:55webguest481. i just started rockbox yesterday 2. i tried doing the .wps thing my self and messed it up more
22:33:10LloreanI didn't say I thought that, just that many of them might.
22:33:17BigBambiwebguest48: It is fine to ask for help, Llorean is just explaining why it may take a little while
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22:33:36LloreanBut in response to 1) Every WPS author started on some day, and 2) Try again, if nobody responds it may be the only way to do it.
22:33:58LloreanI don't make WPSes, so I can't be of any help at all.
22:34:10pixelmaBigBambi: ehmm... I see a %iy
22:34:40BigBambipixelma: Oops! I did say I might be being blind, but if he didn't look and tell me where....
22:36:34*XavierGr is tempted to buy an e280
22:36:40pixelmaBigBambi: I'm
22:37:04XavierGrhow much would someone consider a good price for it?
22:37:15BigBambipixelma: That was cryptic :)
22:37:15pixelmastill thinking he sees the default fallback (with the font and graphics of his
22:37:30BagderXavierGr: within the eu?
22:37:49BigBambipixelma: I thought when it failed you got the complete default?
22:38:05pixelmayeah, something is up today with me pressing enter too quickly (happened to me a few times already)
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22:38:25BagderXavierGr: german sites sell it for a little over 90 euros
22:38:39BigBambiBut I don't make WPSs so I wasn't the best person to be helping him. I just felt public spirited for some weird reason
22:38:41XavierGrhmmm a local shop here sells it for 150€
22:38:48pixelmahmm... maybe you are right - except the font
22:39:08Bagderhm, only one at that 93 euro, then it goes above 100
22:40:13lastebilcan anyone point me to the sid, mod, xm, or it plugins for rockbox? (I _swear_ I found them a while ago; it's why I wanted a device that could use rockbox)
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22:41:25lastebilthank you. I just spent half an hour searching via google etc, just didn't find it.
22:42:17n1slastebil: sid is the only one included by default, mod is available in a patch and xm I dunno
22:42:45XavierGrBagder: does the sansa e200 has the standard mini-b usb plug?
22:42:56BagderXavierGr: no, its a custom plug
22:43:10*pixelma is tempted to buy a c200...
22:43:24XavierGruntil now all my mp3 players have the same mini-b plug
22:43:31XavierGryay for standards
22:43:48lastebiln1s: ok. this means I didn't put the sid files anywhere... silly of me
22:43:58*lastebil goes to look on how to compile the mod player
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22:44:30lastebiland perhaps in a few months I can attempt to port .xm and .it over, tho that will require... time.
22:45:31*amiconn thinks the mod player should be committed
22:45:55amiconnIt works quite nicely, just 2 quirks which shouldn't be too difficult to fix
22:46:27amiconn(1) Elapsed time doesn't represent realtime, but patterns played.
22:47:02n1samiconn: (1) is the same for the sid codec
22:47:24amiconn(2) Mods larger than the remaining codec ram (~485KB) are loaded by cannot be played properly (missing samples, replaced by varying squeaking noises)
22:47:48amiconnThey should be rejected for now, until we have a method to handle contiguous data in the main buffer
22:50:16amiconnn1s: I think that (1) can be fixed, but doing so requires parsing all patterns on load for tempo changes
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22:53:21lastebilamiconn: quite frankly, mods larger than 485kb wouldn't play on an Amiga 500 without expansion ram... well, ok, they might on a minimal player. But probably only after doing some bitplane tricks (:
22:53:51lastebilso I'm with you on that... but yes there would need to be some 'advanced' stuff done for the 'modern' ones.
22:54:20amiconnI know... but many amigas have more than 512KB chip ram :)
22:54:27amiconn(mine has)
22:54:39lastebilwell, all mine do too (: but. back in the day and all that (:
22:55:08*amiconn still uses an amiga, in addition to his linux and windows boxes
22:55:50BigBambiamiconn: What for?
22:55:56*lastebil still uses his, in addition to his morphos, osX, and linux boxen... so I imagine you understand why I wanted this.
22:56:00amiconnMainly email
22:56:02***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:56:22lastebilbigbambi: I use mine for demos, coding, playing music, doing graphics, and occasionally playing a game or two.
22:56:25eigmaamiconn: thanks :)
22:57:56lastebiloh, and comparing the sound of the original mod played in protracker or soundtracker to emulation playback.
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22:58:51maddlerchrisjs169: ping
22:59:56amiconneigma: Thanks for your nice little patches as well :)
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23:06:15preglowlastebil: nice nick
23:07:23lastebilpreglow: can't tell you how many people I confuse with it, though.
23:07:47preglowwhat's there to be confused about? it's a very literal nick :P
23:07:50lastebilamiconn: do you happen to have the modplayer compiled, as I don't have the environment set up for compilation yet.
23:08:11amiconnSure, but most probably not for your target
23:08:14lastebilpreglow: well, I'm an American living in Finland. Start there, and many people can't quite figure it out.
23:08:27lastebilamiconn: ah yes. good point. mine is sansa.
23:08:32amiconnUnless that happens to be either a 1st/2nd gen ipod, or a H10 5/6GB
23:08:44lastebilnope. right, I shall compile this tommorrow night.
23:09:07preglowlastebil: not quite the background i would have expected, no
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23:15:19ddaltonHow do I make .talk clips for files using cygwin?
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23:23:53*maxkelley comes around.
23:24:55maxkelleylastebil: sansa... which?
23:25:20maxkelleyI could compile whatever for you.
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23:25:45aridkillzoneehhhh... stupid problems with the ipod nano and rockbox...
23:26:12aridkillzoneI need help, if anyone can tell me where to get an old rockbox biuld that actually plays music?
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23:27:07aridkillzoneis anyone available here?
23:27:21Bagdersorry, I'm already married
23:27:34aridkillzonenah i need help with my nano
23:28:43aridkillzoneMy 80gig is running everything on Rockbox perfectly but my nano has a lot of bugs apparently with new builds and I guess I need an old build for the nano that lets the music database load and play
23:29:02Bagderthose nano problems truly are annoying
23:29:03aridkillzoneis there anyone who can help me?
23:29:08n1saridkillzone: the forums mention 13990 as the last working build iirc
23:29:10aridkillzoneyeah I know
23:29:54pixelmaisn't there a test build in one of the threads (I believe there are at least 2) that works?
23:30:29aridkillzoneUmmmm, where can I get the build? The oldest build on the rockbox page is sometime late August if i'm correct. That build still doesnt work and i need a place where i can find the working one
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23:31:34n1saridkillzone: either find an unofficial build like pixelma suggested or use svn to check out the source from the right day and compile yourself
23:31:35Bagdersome of the download mirrors keep very old packages
23:33:24pixelmaaridkillzone: - I _think_ I read that the test1 build works, but please read more in the thread and decide yourself
23:36:09jhMikeSn1s: just want to confirm before committing the change. sim patch version #1 was definitely the one?
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23:36:29n1sjhMikeS: yes
23:37:58n1sYup, delay when starting, buffering, switching wps etc, gone :-)
23:39:46pixelmawhile there are a few people around... I got a patch here to enable all the plugins on the c200 that don't need any additional graphics. The only thing is that it incorporats some ugly "ifndef SANSA_C200" im the plugins/SOURCES file. Would that still be ok since it's only temporary?
23:40:41pixelmaI'm trying to add the needed graphics the next days so it shouldn't be that way for long
23:41:22Bagderadd a comment about it in the file or in the commit message and it'll be fine
23:41:48pixelmaok will do
23:41:54aridkillzonethanks for the link I'm gonna try that right now but i'll be back for sure.
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23:45:36*pixelma typing even worse today...
23:48:57pixelmaBagder: did you see my comment on the the different build servers earlier?
23:49:21ddaltonhow do I make voicebox say the file extention?
23:49:26ddaltonOr record it?
23:49:35n1spixelma: do you know if those servers use different archs?
23:49:37ddaltonand how do you use voicebox on linux?
23:49:47Bagderpixelma: no... at what time, roughly?
23:49:55pixelman1s: not at all
23:49:59preglowjhMikeS: that commit didn't exactly work wonders here...
23:50:05pixelma(I don't know I mean)
23:50:07preglowjhMikeS: rockboxui is now at 100% cpu, more or less
23:50:21preglowjhMikeS: hmm, at least when buffering, it seems
23:50:49pixelmaBagder: 20:12 and a bit later
23:51:08jhMikeSpreglow: just like the real target :)
23:51:16preglowjhMikeS: hahaha
23:51:25Bagderpixelma: aha, maybe we should bother him about it...
23:51:32preglowjhMikeS: load seems normal after that
23:51:40preglowaround 16% cpu here for an aac track
23:51:45amiconnBagder: I noticed that the mpeg folder is missing 2 files - those for the mini lcd resolution. Dunno whether linuxstb forgot to transfer them to ypu
23:51:46jhMikeSthis spin stuff in the scheduler is really bad and that's why I want real io completion objects
23:51:58pixelmaBagder: at least the ones that are big enough to get a colour in the table
23:52:28amiconnI also experienced rather slow download from one of the mirrors. Don't know which one that is, but it uses lighthttpd
23:52:30pixelma(the bin size difference I mean)
23:52:49ddaltonso no one knows how to change the voicing of file extention with voicebox?
23:52:49*pixelma wonders what's up today
23:52:54Bagderamiconn: that's the videolan one, and that _should_ be blazing fast...
23:53:01jhMikeSpreglow: the thread would sleep and be woken by an interrupt. if I did this with the portal player I2C driver, it would quiet it down alot.
23:53:30jhMikeSit performs about 540 useless switch_thread calls per second
23:53:30Bagderamiconn: I don't think I've gotten any other mpegs from linuxstb
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23:53:54amiconnI have the 2 mpeg files for the mini lcd. Got them from linuxstb
23:54:13amiconnI could upload them somewhere...
23:54:29Bagderhow big are they?
23:54:39n1sjhMikeS, preglow: it works wonders here now, 0-1 % cpu while playing, no delays...
23:54:41aridkillzonethanks pixelma
23:54:42amiconn27MB + 35MB
23:55:03aridkillzoneIn a sec I'll see if the build from the link you gave me works
23:55:17aridkillzoneI have restored my nano AT LEAST 7 times already
23:55:25ddaltonwho wrote the voicebox script?
23:56:01preglowanyone see anything wrong with that?
23:56:10preglowie. anything i've forgotten
23:56:13jhMikeSn1s: well I don't have that much beasty CPU power here to keep in that low
23:56:40preglowi've got a 2.2ghz athlon64
23:57:14n1smine is a 3.2GHz pentium D (dula core)
23:57:20jhMikeS2.4GHz pentium 4 running in VMWare gives about 15% without peakmeters.
23:58:10aridkillzoneI have to restore this shit AGAIN
23:58:24jhMikeSn1s: you could run 10 sims without delay I'm sure :)
23:58:58aridkillzonemaybe I'm loading the bootloader wrong, but last time I had rockbox kinda running I was using the same method

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