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#rockbox log for 2007-09-16

00:03:24 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=fiftyfou@cpe-74-73-158-167.nyc.res.rr.com)
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00:04:01 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death")
00:06:18n1sjhMikeS: while testing out gcc4.3 today I noticed that adding 'volatile' to the big asm blobs in pcf50606-coldfire.c make them work perfectly again, do you think there will be any bad side effects?
00:08:07barrywardelllinuxstb: what's the new bootloader for? want me to test?
00:08:34Lloreanbarrywardell: I think it's to fix the LCD glitch
00:08:53barrywardellah, ok. makes sense, thanks
00:10:01amiconnlinuxstb: If you're going to release new bootloaders, I think we should release the 1st/2nd gen bootloader as well
00:10:17amiconn...even though suspend still isn't implemented :\
00:10:19barrywardellwe never had a bootloader_e200_v1 tag, but we probably should have...
00:10:51linuxstb_amiconn: Sure, but let me do one at a time ;)
00:10:56maxkelleyshoof. my cable dropped out for a moment.
00:11:06maxkelley17 sec lag.
00:11:50linuxstb_Can someone with an E200 and Linux test this binary to see if the uploaded application runs? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/e200rpatcher.gz
00:11:51*bluebrother isn't sure if he likes the "install all" button in the themes installation dialog ... selecting and installing multiple themes was already possible
00:12:26linuxstb_bluebrother: Maybe rb-themes.org could host an "all.zip" in the future to make that feature more efficient?
00:12:29dionoeanot everyone knows about ctrl-a or the shift key to select a lot of items in 2 clicks.
00:12:44 Quit ompaul ("I think I'll just go over here and turn the lights out")
00:12:49linuxstb_bluebrother: I can imagine a lot of people would like to install all.
00:13:13bluebrotheryeah, but it's kind of an invitation to "just install all" even if people don't want all. And it creates more traffic.
00:13:59bluebrothera "hold Ctrl / Shift to select multiple themes" text might be a nicer solution.
00:14:21linuxstb_Obviously adjusted to the OS...
00:14:31dionoeais traffic really an issue ?
00:14:47bluebrotherok, themes are usually quite small.
00:15:04bluebrotherat least compared to the other stuff. Except maybe ipod video themes ;)
00:15:32dionoeaheh :)
00:15:42linuxstb_Can Qt easily handle other compression formats?
00:15:57dionoealike lzma ?
00:15:59bluebrotherwe shouldn't support targets with that kind of big screens because of backdrop size reasons ;)
00:16:15bluebrotherQt uses zlib.
00:16:25linuxstb_dionoea: It's probably not worth the effort, but I was wondering if we could use something more efficient than zip
00:17:03bluebrotherisn't zip efficient enough? What were you thinking about? 7zip? bzip2?
00:19:50kugelhm
00:19:58dionoeahum, Complete installation tries to install the bootloader even if the target doesn't have one
00:20:02kugelrockbox doesnt show my bootlogo
00:20:15kugelthe sim shows it, but not the real rb
00:20:18dionoeaSame thing for Small installation
00:20:43 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection)
00:20:57bluebrothersounds like a missing check ;)
00:21:05dionoeawhere should i look ?
00:21:14kugelcan someone help me?
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00:22:07bluebrotherrbutilqt.cpp
00:22:21webguest78Has it been proven that e200tool does not work on Cygwin?
00:22:36linuxstb_webguest78: No, the opposite.
00:22:51webguest78So it works on cygwin?
00:22:52Lloreanwebguest78: It has been proved that using e200tool with Cygwin is probably currently much more complicated than just booting a LiveCD though
00:23:33bluebrothersomeone got it working on windows, not cygwin
00:23:56webguest78How. Libutils screwed up my computer big time.
00:24:52webguest78Was it XP?
00:25:09 Quit kubiixaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:25:25webguest78I have vista. It doesn't work on mine.
00:25:54linuxstb_Have you configured the uac appropriately? (don't ask me what to do though...)
00:25:56bluebrothervista seems to be problematic anyway.
00:26:32webguest78Just tell me what UAC means. I'll figure it out with the power of google.
00:26:40kugelwhy does rockbox not my bootlogo, while the sim does?
00:26:53linuxstb_webguest78: google understands uac
00:27:10kugeluac is user account control
00:27:22Lloreankugel: Are you compiling it in, or using a patch?
00:27:24webguest78Yea. I know how to disable it. That's so annoying.
00:27:38kugelcompiling
00:27:51*linuxstb_ wonders what the point is in a feature everyone just disables...
00:28:14bluebrothermaking the system slower, creating a need for faster machines
00:28:46linuxstb_Couldn't they just secretly slow the clock down and save some power?
00:28:47webguest78It thinks it so secure with UAC, but it doesn't even help.
00:29:11Lloreankugel: So you're manually replacing the .bmp file, and then compiling it in, and not adding any patches at all?
00:29:15scorcheDavid: whining about UAC is offtopic here
00:29:16linuxstb_kugel: Try a "make clean"
00:29:20kugeluac mainly makes your account run with non-administrator rights even if you are administrator
00:29:37kugelwhat does that do?
00:30:07linuxstb_It cleans your build directory.
00:30:10webguest78You can change the compatabiliy settings and turn on admin.
00:30:18kugeljust make clean after ../tools/configure?
00:30:28Lloreanwebguest78: Windows discussion is off topic here.
00:30:45webguest78My cat just knocked my sansa off the table...
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00:31:12scorchewebguest78: once more and you are gone...i have given you over 20 cumulative warnings
00:31:31linuxstb_kugel: No. I'm just suggesting that you try building your patched Rockbox again, starting with an empty build directory.
00:32:18kugelok
00:33:30linuxstb_scorche, Llorean: Could one of you test the latest e200rpatcher on Linux? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/e200rpatcher.gz
00:33:39 Quit muesli ("ich will KŘhe!!!")
00:33:57*scorche hunts for his laptop
00:35:27scorche"Operating System not found"...
00:35:34scorchelinuxstb_: perhaps in a bit...
00:36:55linuxstb_Your laptop has lost its operating system?
00:37:14scorcheso it seems...perhaps the hard drive died
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00:37:37webguest78Is your drive making funny noises?
00:38:04webguest78Stange Noises*
00:38:12scorchethis isnt up for discussion...just was notifying linuxstb_ of my failure to comply with his request atm...
00:38:46kugelthat worked
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00:38:50kugelthank you very much
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00:41:00bluebrotheroh ... dionoea owns the frontpage svn table
00:41:10DavidGWRawsonI am installing cygwin. When installing the features, do I pick SRC too?
00:41:12dionoea\o/
00:41:40bluebrotherI'll do something against it ;)
00:42:14scorcheDavidGWRawson: do the instructions say to do that?
00:42:16bluebrother:P
00:42:21*ender` yawns
00:42:48*bluebrother wonders if ender` did much different than yawning in this channel
00:43:31bluebrotherit's really nice to see rbutils bugs getting ironed out :)
00:43:51dionoeait's still leaking memory :)
00:43:59DavidGWRawsonIt doesn't say whether to choose Bin or Src.
00:44:09DavidGWRawsonI think src might mean source.
00:44:14bluebrotherit is? I never checked about that
00:44:25dionoeathere are a bunch of logger = new ...
00:44:29dionoeabut not a single delete
00:44:41dionoeawell maybe it deletes itself when closing the window
00:44:44scorchebinary/source
00:44:45dionoeaso that owuld be ok
00:44:58dionoea*would
00:45:04scorche...which, im sure you would have figured you through google...
00:45:06bluebrotheris that needed? Qt destroys all childs once you destroy the parent
00:45:18DavidGWRawsonWould there have to be a change in the bootloader to be able to boot from the MicroSD card?
00:45:19bluebrotherwell, at least I think it does from what I remember from the docs ;)
00:45:47scorcheto put it simply....yes
00:45:48dionoeahehe :) It's not like memory usage matters in a small app such as rbutil anyway
00:46:29bluebrotheryep. But having less bugs is always a good thing (tm) ;)
00:47:11 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara")
00:47:24dionoeais it ok if i do a commit to remove trailing white spaces ? (purely cosmetcis)
00:47:28dionoea*cosmetics
00:47:38 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection)
00:47:51bluebrotherI wouldn't object.
00:48:05bluebrotheryou could include other code policing as well :)
00:48:17dionoeamy editor is configured to print those bright red so it hurts my eyes :)
00:49:12bluebrotherhmm, running rbutil with valgrind makes it slow as hell
00:50:17bluebrotherthe leak summary doesn't look too nice :(
00:52:39DavidGWRawsonSo does cygwin run good for compiling rockbox? As in speedwise.
00:53:12DavidGWRawsonWould I be better off using LiveCD?
00:53:27scorchecygwin is slow
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00:53:52bluebrotherwe also have a vmware image.
00:54:08DavidGWRawsonVmware is huge. Takes up tons of memory.
00:54:56scorchethe memory is configurable
00:55:02advcomp2019it is not huge compared to the other images you can get
00:55:13bluebrotherif you run it text-only you don't need that much of memory
00:55:16DavidGWRawsonI meant hard disk.
00:55:31DavidGWRawsonDoes it use image files as the hard disk?
00:55:41bluebrotheryes.
00:56:00DavidGWRawsonThen How do I get the files out of it?
00:56:14scorchesamba share that is pre-configured
00:56:22bluebrotheror use sftp
00:57:02bluebrotheripodpatcher seems to leak memory too. At least if I trust valgrind
00:57:03DavidGWRawsonCygwin is installed.
00:57:15***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:57:22bluebrotherwell, it depends on you if you want to use cygwin. It _is_ dog slow.
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00:59:28DavidGWRawsoncygwin doesn't know any commands. mkdir doesnt work.
00:59:42bluebrotherthen your installation is broken
00:59:45DavidGWRawsoncommand not found
01:00
01:00:40DavidGWRawsonCan I use pearPC to use the vmware image?
01:01:18*bluebrother has no idea about pearpc.
01:01:34 Quit ender` (" Theory: we know everything, but nothing works. Practice: things work, but we don't know why. Combining theory and practi")
01:01:47*Llorean thought PearPC was a PowerPC emulator.
01:02:06DavidGWRawsonit is
01:02:21bluebrotherthen it obviously won't work with the vmware image
01:03:24DavidGWRawsonSo its a special image. How do I install the Cygwin commands, I'm running setup again.
01:03:59scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
01:04:12bluebrotherwell, vmware emulates an x86 pc. And x86 binaries obviously won't work in a ppc environment.
01:05:09Lloreanbluebrother: vmware doesn't emulate, which is why it's x86-only.
01:05:43bluebrotherLlorean: I know it uses the cpu but didn't want to complicate this sentence even more ;)
01:05:44LloreanOr it's not wholly emulation. I'm not sure I fully understand it, but it makes use of the host architecture.
01:05:49Llorean:)
01:05:50LloreanAlrighty
01:06:06bluebrotherif not it would be dog slow :)
01:06:25DavidGWRawsonThen I'll install every single package on vmware, though it will take a while.
01:06:33bluebrothersometimes I wish I would've been abroad for a longer time to an english-speaking country.
01:06:34Llorean*cough*QEMU*cough*
01:06:35DavidGWRawsonCygwin*
01:06:50scorcheDavidGWRawson: did you not see the link i just pasted you?
01:07:10DavidGWRawsonI now have two of the same pages running. I already had it up.
01:07:25scorchethen why would you want to install every single package?
01:07:33DavidGWRawsonJust to be sure.
01:07:43LloreanDavidGWRawson: You can be sure by simply following the steps on that page.
01:07:47DavidGWRawsonSo I am missing nothing.
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01:08:00LloreanI assure you, if you don't add any steps by, say, removing other packages that it doesn't tell you to remove, you'll be fine.
01:08:21DavidGWRawsonI didn't remove any.
01:08:37webguest74hey guys, does anyone know why the now playing screen doesn't seem to appear as the themes show it? i'm on ipod 5g video 30gb
01:08:51 Part Llorean
01:09:08DavidGWRawsonDoes your rockbox support your theme. You may need to patch it.
01:09:20webguest74i tried a few of them
01:09:29webguest74all the same
01:09:38webguest74could it be the build?
01:09:47scorchedefine "not the same"
01:10:10webguest74well it doesn't show a stylized progress bar etc
01:10:39webguest74it shows the normal menu bg and custom fonts but nothing in terms of layout, interface elements etc in now playing
01:10:52scorchewell, does it look the same as the default wps?
01:11:02scorcheignoring things like the background
01:11:16webguest74no, it shows the background and fonts from the theme
01:11:26webguest74which is odd...
01:11:27scorcheignoring things like the background
01:11:45bluebrotherlook at the text: is it the same as the default wps?
01:12:00webguest74no, it uses the fonts from the themes
01:12:12scorchenot the style of the text...the arrangement and bars
01:12:13bluebrothertext != fonts *sic*
01:12:42bluebrotherok, other approach: which themes did you try?
01:12:55webguest74ipod vision aa
01:13:27scorcheand are you using an official build?
01:13:28bluebrotherneeds a custom build.
01:13:31webguest74crashbox, but crashbox worked
01:14:01webguest74yeah i think offical build
01:14:03bluebrotherwell, the themes pages shows "Min. Version".
01:14:25bluebrotherif that line says something different than "Recent Daily Build" you need an unsupported build
01:15:23webguest74oh ok... i will have a look thanks
01:15:47DavidGWRawsonIs vmware like virtual machine?
01:15:55bluebrotherit is a virtual machine.
01:15:58webguest74"but should work on any build with AlbumArt, Bitmap Resize and Scrolling Margins patches." - i guess that's the problem right there ha ha
01:16:04webguest74thanks
01:16:27linuxstb_Does any Sansa user want to test the new sansapatcher? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-0.3.zip (that contains binaries for Linux, windows and Mac)
01:16:58bluebrotherDavidGWRawson: from the vmware homepage: "Virtualization, Virtual Machines & Virtual Server Consolidation"
01:17:42advcomp2019not found for the link linuxstb_
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01:19:16DavidGWRawsoni wanna test the new sansa patcher!
01:19:48DavidGWRawsonIt's not there. It's a 404.
01:20:04DavidGWRawsonThe link is wrong.
01:20:12linuxstb_Try again...
01:20:27DavidGWRawsonYou fixed it!
01:21:25DavidGWRawsonDoes e200tool work on VMware?
01:21:46advcomp2019linuxstb_, does that work with the e200rs or not
01:22:12DavidGWRawsonIt shouldn't.
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01:22:33DavidGWRawsonE200tool is the only way for the Rs
01:22:37linuxstb_advcomp2019: No.
01:22:48advcomp2019i will not worry about it then
01:22:51bluebrotherthere is e200rpatcher ...
01:22:57webguest74also, do you think it's possible to make a radio for ipod using headphones as aerial?
01:23:14bluebrotherwebguest74: how should this work without a receiver chip?
01:23:35webguest74i have no idea ha ha
01:23:44bluebrotheryou can't make coffee out of tea, can you?
01:23:45linuxstb_webguest74: No.
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01:24:15linuxstb_bluebrother: A better analogy might be making coffee without any coffee..
01:24:21webguest74i thought that the itunes remote just enabled it or something ha ha
01:24:24bluebrotherhehe ;)
01:24:51linuxstb_webguest74: No, the radio remotes are basically an external radio.
01:24:53bluebrotherwell, unless you have a chip that does the hf part you can't receive radio.
01:25:34webguest74guts, and one more quesiton, is there support for remote with dock?
01:25:40bluebrotherno
01:26:51webguest74oh ok, well anyway i'm quite please with rockbox cause it unlocks lots of stuff that used to really annoy me.. thanks for your help
01:27:20advcomp2019wait... webguest74 it right.. there is a radio addon −−> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=B9EC42BD&nplm=MA070G/C
01:27:45advcomp2019is*
01:27:45linuxstb_advcomp2019: We know that - they're an external radio receiver.
01:27:56advcomp2019o ok i did not know
01:28:28bluebrotheryou can't enable radio if there is no chip present. And apple won't add such a chip if they can sell it separately, that's for sure.
01:28:56linuxstb_It's nice though - RDS support...
01:29:49DavidGWRawsonYou cant use the radio if you dont have a radio.
01:30:29bluebrotherwe could fake it −− show the radio screen and play back static ;)
01:33:26webguest74ha, yeah well i'm not paying $99 for it (about 75USD i think)
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01:35:54DavidGWRawsonWhat if we were able to set the cpu frequency to resonate with radio waves?
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01:36:36DarkJesusHi
01:36:55DavidGWRawsonMy old ast computer used to pick up radio waves because of the low frequency cpu!
01:36:55DarkJesusSo...what could I do on an iaudio X5 that I can't on an M5
01:36:56DarkJesus?
01:37:28DarkJesusPlay music obviously, but anything else? (I am talking about rockbox on both)
01:37:51DarkJesusSpending £60 more will have to mean a lot of extra features
01:38:23bluebrotherit's colored.
01:38:42DarkJesusAnd?
01:39:02bluebrotherthe m5 is greyscale
01:39:12DarkJesusRight
01:39:20bluebrothercheck the DeviceChart wiki page, but I don't know about other differences.
01:39:26DarkJesusAlright then
01:39:36bluebrothernot sure if the x5 has an additional fm tuner
01:39:47DarkJesusIf there was some amazingly sick feature the X5 had, then I would get it over the M5
01:39:51DarkJesusBut I don't think there is
01:40:16DarkJesusI could get quite a few things with that extra £60 :D
01:40:39bluebrotherI'd prefer a greyscale device anyway. Color is nice, but that's it.
01:40:56DarkJesusYeah
01:41:03DarkJesusI am going to get the M5 then
01:41:06bluebrotherwell, time to go for me
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01:41:17DarkJesusMy H120 rocks, but I want a player with a bigger drive
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01:45:01DarkJesusI don't see any M5 themes on the rockbox site
01:45:15DarkJesusDoes it happen to use the same as the H120?
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01:46:01azoriesthis is so kinky, websites dont have anything better to do then funny logo's with loseless info? www.iplobster.com/ lol check this www.ipchicken.com
01:46:20linuxstbJdGordon: Could you test this e200rpatcher (for Linux) to see if the app I've built is OK? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/e200rpatcher.gz
01:46:35DarkJesusSeems it does :D
01:46:47DarkJesuslinuxstb, I could test it
01:46:58DarkJesusOr is it for a specific device?
01:47:05JdGordonlinuxstb: ok
01:47:06linuxstbIt's for the e200/e200r
01:47:09JdGordonis that statically linked?
01:47:28linuxstbNo
01:47:32DavidGWRawsonYou still need e200tool
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01:48:26linuxstbDavidGWRawson: No you don't.
01:48:52DavidGWRawsonReally? Oh, it's for linux.
01:48:56JdGordon./e200rpatcher: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
01:48:59JdGordonill compile it myself i guess
01:49:06DarkJesusIs £76 a good price for an MK6006GAH?
01:49:12krazykitJdGordon, do you not have libusb installed?
01:49:14JdGordonlinuxstb: is that with svn?
01:49:38JdGordoni have libusb-dev installed... so it should be
01:50:09krazykitfor sure. compiling it would be easiest, then
01:50:15DarkJesusMK8007GAH's are impossible to find :(
01:50:16linuxstbI think so... Maybe the best thing is if you could build the bootloader.bin, test it, and then give it to me. I'll then build a windows binary for zajacattack to test.
01:50:18krazykitinstead of playing "guess the soname"
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01:51:58linuxstbDarkJesus: That seems about right - not a bargain, just normal.
01:52:04DarkJesusAlright, cool
01:52:06ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: did you see the task I opened?
01:52:21DarkJesusGonna make absolutely sure there are no mk8007gah's around first
01:52:23ddaltonabout the french translation
01:52:50DavidGWRawsonMay I ask a question?
01:53:24DavidGWRawsonWhat do I do when rockdoom freezes and won't turn off.
01:53:41ddaltonreset the player
01:54:08JdGordonlinuxstb: svn e200rpatcher + installer dont seem to be working
01:54:18DavidGWRawsonIt won't reset, I hold the power button down and it won't turn off.
01:54:45linuxstbJdGordon: Hmm... Could you try removing that usb_set_configuration() call I added?
01:55:11linuxstbJdGordon: Is it uploading the app, but then the app isn't running?
01:55:43DavidGWRawsonHow do I make Ubuntu work with .exe files? It knows that they are executables.
01:55:56advcomp2019DavidGWRawson, google
01:56:05DavidGWRawsonIs there a way?
01:56:12linuxstbDavidGWRawson: You're getting very off-topic for #rockbox
01:56:14JdGordonlinuxstb: hmm, removing it doesnt seem to make a difference, and it looks like its not running
01:56:21JdGordon(really need to keep that flashing led code in)
01:56:35DavidGWRawsonfor sansapatcher....
01:56:50linuxstbDavidGWRawson: Just use the Linux binary...
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01:58:08linuxstbJdGordon: But in a way that's good news - hopefully if you can get it working again, e200rpatcher should work on Windows as well.
01:59:53JdGordon:( well the light is staying on.. so the code isnt running at all (i changed it ot turn the light of first thing)
02:00
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02:03:18JdGordonlinuxstb: well, it seems i didnt have libusb-dev installed before, so i must have been running on my oher linux install, could be an amd64 problem
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02:04:19linuxstbCan you test on your other lInux?
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02:05:17ADHDManAm I allowed to offer custom builds of rockbox to the internet community?
02:05:44JdGordonADHDMan: only if you pay 10% royalites to rockbox
02:05:56linuxstbAnd another 10% to my personal account
02:06:07ADHDManReally? I'll have to do that.
02:06:12JdGordonADHDMan: (we are joking by the way...)
02:06:25JdGordoncourse you can.. its open soure... do what you like with it
02:06:30ADHDManI should donate.
02:06:41linuxstbYou need to follow the GPL though - basically if you just make your source code available in the same place as the binary build you're fine.
02:07:12JdGordonlinuxstb: laptop booting...
02:07:32JdGordonprob would have been faster to reboot this comp though :p
02:08:03shortnekanyway to load multiple themes all at once.
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02:11:34DarkJesusOK, there we are
02:11:48DarkJesusIaudio M5L and MK6006GAH bought
02:11:58ddaltondoes the iaudio have a wake up rtc?
02:12:55JdGordonlinuxstb: usb_set_configuration failed (-1)
02:13:05JdGordonon 32bit linux
02:13:21linuxstbAnd if you remove that call?
02:14:57JdGordonunable to clain interface
02:15:11JdGordonmissing a setup call or somthing?
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02:16:49linuxstbThat's odd - if you remove usb_set_configuration, e200rpatcher should be the same as the one that used to work for you.
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02:19:27JdGordon:'(
02:19:32SaladFingerswhere is helloworld in my plugins list?
02:19:44JdGordonyou need to enable it in SOURCES
02:19:45shortnekhow do i convert my untagged music
02:22:06JdGordonlinuxstb: do you have a problem with http://rafb.net/p/GdbjzH63.html ?
02:23:17JdGordonSaladFingers: pick 1 user name and stick to it, or your ip will be banned
02:23:43SaladFingersI'll use my normal username then, I will log out and use that from now on
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02:24:11DavidGWRawsonI'll stick to using this name.
02:24:35SofRaZorbacKhi all
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02:26:27linuxstbJdGordon: Looks OK.
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02:26:46linuxstbJdGordon: I'm going to sleep now - I'll check the logs in the morning, so let me know if you have any luck.
02:26:54JdGordonwait a sec....
02:27:13JdGordonr14657, where was those three calls dupelicated?
02:27:18JdGordonhttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/e200rpatcher/e200rpatcher.c?r1=14656&r2=14657
02:29:00JdGordondont worry, putting them back in doesnt make it work
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02:31:18DavidGWRawsonI can't just copy a plugin from the rockbox archive and put it on another build?
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02:32:30JdGordonno
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02:33:43shortnekIf i convert my itunes DB will it no longer be available in itunes
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02:35:00mschneiderwhat sort of knowledge is needed to port rockbox?
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02:57:01JdGordona collection of ones and zeros
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03:06:24Soap<scorche> beyong background, fonts, and icons, not at this time
03:06:36Soapdon't forget custom colours per file-type!
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03:18:48mschneiderwhat ever happened to the default theme contest?
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03:21:24SoapIt is still alive, but not well.
03:23:37mschneiderhmm...not enough submissions i suppose?
03:23:37SoapPeople seem to find the task of making a theme which works well on all platforms daunting. There has only been one serious attempt, IMHO, and despite an admirable job porting it to many (all?) platforms, it received much resistance from the old guard. I'm not accusing them of being wrong, but many people seemed to find it not compelling enough to replace the old reliable.
03:24:37mschneiderOh well, it's a nice thing to have out there anyway.
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03:50:37xexoshello
03:50:57maxkelleyhalo.
03:53:22xexosmy ipod wasn't booting into rockbox, however when I tried going into disk mode (select+play/pause), it did. I reinstalled rockbox. However it is above the apple firmware in the priority for booting, so I have to put hold on to get into it. Any easy way to switch this
03:55:40*xexos is also a nub at the ipod hacking
03:59:06xexosI have a 80gb video if that helps
03:59:07Chrononxexos, you would have to change the source code in the bootloader and compile your own
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04:00:08Soapcheck mikeage's unsupported build in the forums.
04:00:17SoapI'm not sure if he still builds the reverse bootloader.
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04:04:53Tom0howdy im looking to buy a music device and wanted to no which player has the best suppoer3t for rockbox?
04:04:56Tom0i may buy off ebay
04:05:04Tom0so i dont mind if the product is a lil old
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04:07:23Soapthere's a buying guide in the wiki, but if you don't want recording, and you do want color the answer is Gigabeat F or X series.
04:13:11ChrononAnd for recording you want the iriver H1xx series
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04:34:55derekWhenever I try to install any rockbox theme, fonts, icons, etc., (via unzipping of course), the files I intend to install are never expanded to the desired folders. Instead, a new folder with the name '.rockbox 1' or '.rockbox 2' or '.rockbox 3', are created. This is very frustrating, as I am forced to manually combine the contents of these numbered folders to get the desired effect.
04:35:21Soapwhich OS, which zip utility?
04:36:25SoapBecause if I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess your zip utility is not set to overwrite or merge files, so it creates a duplicate folder structure appended with the numer.
04:36:44derekMacOSX, Stuffit Expander & Archive Utility
04:38:21derekI would hope this problem might get noted in the installation manual to avoid hours of confusion
04:38:52derekI tried stuffit's merge setting, it did not work either
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04:42:59SoapI'm not familiar with sutffit expander.
04:43:15Soap7zip is free for OSx IIRC, try it, I know it works fine in Windows and Linux.
04:45:05Soapwell, let me take that back... I haven't used Stuffit Expander since OS 7.6.1, so I don't recall how it does things very well.
04:46:03derekok, thanks for the tip, trying it now
04:51:56derekjust tried out 3 different 7zip apps for OSX; none having the desired effect (automatic expansio+merging)
04:52:27derekI take it the vast majority of Rockbox users are on Windows :)
04:53:07advcomp2019linux i believe
04:54:03qwmi have pencils in my pants
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04:55:47stuporglueI'm having trouble understanding how to make playlists for Rockbox. Can I create them on my computer and add them? Or do I have to create them in Rockbox itself?
04:56:01Chrononeither way, stuporglue
04:56:26ChrononRockbox uses standard m3u playlists
04:56:36stuporglueok, say I want to create one on my computer. m3u is just one file per line, right?
04:56:46grndslmi'm about to download rockbox on my sansa e280 for the first time in a few months... should i get the current or daily build??
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04:57:28grndslmi guess current build
04:57:35grndslmr14720
04:57:42Chrononyeah. You can make it in a text editor. I will often use a music app with playlist editor functions though.
04:58:57derekadvcomp2019: if that were true, I would think there would be a linux for my iaudio x5 :( ;)
04:59:16Soapwhat would you want that for?
04:59:38dereklinux on an x5?
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05:00:14stuporglueHow do I reference the songs in the playlist? I tried listing them like "/Music/Titãs/Acústico/11. Hereditário.mp3", but when I loaded it and then looked at the current playlist, all the songs had (Err) in front of them and wouldn't play
05:00:24derekso I could ask you guys how to install it on there
05:01:56derekstuporglue: maybe because of the special characters. ã, ú, á, etc.
05:02:27stuporgluederek: Most of the songs don't have special chars though, and every song in the list had errors. I can try it without those though
05:03:54derekstuporglue: perhaps it didn't like the period, making it think ' Hereditário.mp3' was the file type
05:04:17derekstuporglue: (the period after the 11)
05:04:27stuporgluehmmm possible
05:05:29stuporgluederek: is the first part of the path correct? the /Music ?
05:06:38derekI'm not the person to ask really, but I would guess it would usually be '/DEVICENAME/MUSIC/
05:06:54derek*oops no apostrphe of course
05:07:31stuporgluefrom Rockbox's pov? When I look at files in the RB file browser, I don't see any device
05:07:59derekfor me, it's /IAUDIO/MUSIC/ and any group of songs in any folder is automatically a playlist as far as i can tell
05:08:16stuporglueinteresting
05:08:20derekno not from RB's pov
05:08:30stuporglueok. I'll go read the manual again and see if I can find something I missed
05:08:49derekwhat device are you using?
05:09:12Chronon stuporglue, as long as the relative path corresponds to the correct path on your player it should play the file.
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05:10:10ChrononWhat I usually do is open my music directory in Winamp's playlist editor and then edit and save however you like.
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05:10:35stuporgluerelative to the Music folder? Sorry...I feel really dense that I can't make this work
05:11:54derekdont worry been feelin pretty dense myself, just discovered Rockbox yesterday. I was talking about relative to looking at the device as it was connected to a computer
05:12:43dereki would imagine I can be of little help to you unless you have an iaudio x5 ;)
05:13:17stuporgluesorry, iPod 3G
05:13:22Soapthere should be no difference in such matters between targets.
05:13:32derekah, i see.
05:14:24stuporglueI'll get rid of spaces, periods and non a-zA-Z0-9 characters from my filenames and see if that makes something magical happen
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05:15:18SoapI'm really tired right now - so there probably is a better way - but create a playlist ON your player, save it, open it, and compare.
05:15:32Soapfastest way to see what is different about yours.
05:15:46Chrononyeah. That's a good idea, Soap.
05:20:45stuporgluestuporglue@stuporglue-desktop:/media/MOONIE/Playlists$ cat ABBB.m3u8
05:20:45stuporglue/Music/ABBA/Gold/05. Lay All Your Love On Me.ogg
05:21:01stuporgluelooks like it starts with /Music and it doesn't care about spaces or periods
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05:22:49Soapperhaps a better test would have been a file with accented characters? ;)
05:24:54stuporglueyeah...I'm working on that now :/
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05:29:47stuporglueOk. It let me create a playlist where the playlist name had a tilde in it, and the file in it had an accent, a tilde, a space and a non-extension period
05:29:53stuporglueMaybe I've got other problems :-)
05:31:23Soaptext encoding matches?
05:31:35Soapie. UTF-8 vs UTF-16, that sort of thing?
05:33:21stuporglueclose. UTF-8 Unicode text (theirs) vs. UTF-8 Unicode English text (mine)
05:34:24stuporglueThe file extension Rockbox saves it as is m3u8 though, mine isn't, although Rockbox loaded it anyways
05:35:55stuporglueanyways, I've got to do some stuff before I head to bed. I'll have to work on this tomorrow
05:41:23stuporgluethanks for the help. Good night
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05:59:05homieloweSo i'm following the cross-compiler tutorial on MAC OSX and I get this error when I try to "make install" "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
05:59:23Soapmaking the sim or the player's build?
05:59:44homielowebuilding GGC
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06:00:01homieloweGCC*
06:00:40SoapAre you trying to build the cross compilers by hand, or are you using the rockboxdev.sh script (I think that is the right name)
06:01:08Soapyes, that is the right name, just checked.
06:01:56homielowebuild by hand using the crosscompiler tutorial
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06:03:22Soapgive me a second while I read the wiki page, but I think even for OSX the shell script would be easier. Perhaps I'm full of manure.
06:04:54Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler implies that the script will work on OSX.
06:05:15homieloweok i'll take a look and see how that works out
06:05:37SoapI suggest you install SVN, check out the source code (you'll need it eventually) and in the tools directory you'll find the script. It has always worked a charm for me.
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06:11:41homieloweI'm pretty new to this not too sure how to execute a script in the osx terminel
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06:21:55homielowekrazykit:thanks
06:29:52homielowewith the script I get connection refused when trying to download anything
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06:52:56oshoggHi everyone: does anyone know if unicode (UTF8) tags in mp3 files in Hindi language show up properly with rockbox on iPod video?
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07:27:33ddaltonwill a 20 gb hard drive from an ipod photo work in a 4th gen ipod (gray scale)?
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07:37:46ddaltonanyone know?
07:38:03Nimdaei don't think so, but i could be wrong
07:45:56scorcheaccording to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement , it will
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07:46:42ddaltonok thanks so the gray scale 4th gen is the same as the 4th gen photo?
07:46:48ddaltonwith hard drives
07:47:02Nimdaei would assume so
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08:30:03SofianBabaihi
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08:31:35ddaltonok where can I get help on modifying a hta file (voicebox)?
08:31:49advcomp2019hello SofianBabai
08:32:47ddaltonno one replied on the dev list. Are the
08:32:58ddaltonso what should I do?
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08:35:38ddaltonso there is only irc and the dev list where I can get help?
08:35:47ddaltonSo I won't be able to improve voicebox?
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08:37:21ddaltonare the forums down?
08:39:08*ddalton Wonders why no one wants to talk to me!
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08:54:24OsamaI put rockbox on my ipod awhile back, and I'm just getting back into using it again. I was wondering if there's a place that tells when the latest version came out, so I know if I need to update or not.
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08:55:49SofianBabaithere's a build generated every 10 minutes and the last changes are listed on the main page of rockbox.org
08:56:41JdGordon_builds are NOT generated every 10 min
08:56:47JdGordon_they are done when a commit happens
08:56:56SofianBabaisory ...
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08:57:36OsamaSo is there a page that tells when the last build was released?
08:58:08OsamaFor each device, that is.
08:58:14SofianBabaisory i was confused by this: These builds are provided fresh after every source code change. If builds are not currently showing, wait 5-10 minutes and then refresh the page."
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09:00:55OsamaI don't see where it says when the latest build was released...
09:01:08scorche<JdGordon_> they are done when a commit happens
09:01:10SofianBabainot sure but if it's told on the build page for example Page was last modified "Aug 31 2007" i assume personnally that the last build was done that time
09:01:29scorchethere are many commits in a day
09:02:15SofianBabaiso many builds in a day ...
09:02:27SofianBabaiconfusing ... :)
09:02:41OsamaThey get updated that often?
09:02:48scorchethey do
09:02:54scorche...check the commit log
09:04:23SofianBabaiquestion: after compiling (with cygwin), is it necessary to delete all the stuff in the build folder before recompiling again?
09:05:05scorchenot really, but if you encounter errors, you should
09:05:09scorche"make clean"
09:05:57SofianBabaione day, my voice files was messed up when compiling it without deleting the content of the folder
09:06:11scorchenot really, but if you encounter errors, you should
09:06:52SofianBabaiok thanks i just put make clean without any argument?
09:06:58scorchei would suggest doing it everytime unless you are compiling the same build again and again with miniscule changes
09:07:05scorcheclean is the argument
09:07:12SofianBabaiho ok :)
09:08:03SofianBabaiand what does this "make clean" exactly ?
09:08:12scorchethe build directory
09:08:51SofianBabaiok
09:09:01SofianBabaithx for your help
09:11:16Caprisunuh hi
09:11:59Caprisundoes anyone know any progress/brick walls in the process with the new ipod classic?
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09:13:19scorcheno one has attempted it, but i would imagine it has the same walls as the 2nd gen nano
09:17:00Caprisununderstandable
09:17:11Caprisunthats really all im waiting for to buy it :3
09:17:38scorchefeel free to have a go at it yourself
09:19:47Caprisunoh im no coder :3
09:19:58scorchewhat better time to learn?
09:20:12Caprisunif i wanted to learn everything i was interested in, oh boy
09:20:25Caprisunright now i want to focus on my musical interests
09:20:57scorchewell then, you may be waiting a while
09:21:34Caprisunthat i can do
09:21:45Caprisunwhat you guys do is great btw
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09:25:51ChrononIt looks like the wiki page IpodConversionToFAT32 needs a little work.
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09:56:25ddaltonwhat is wrong with this indenting? http://pastebin.ca/raw/699307
09:56:44ddaltonI am trying to get it right (How you guys like it)
09:56:49ddaltonthe indenting
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10:00:21ddaltonno one knows how the indenting here works?
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10:06:42davinadoes rockbox support the sansa e200 series of players or just the e200 alone?
10:07:04SofianBabaithe E200 series
10:07:14davinaah cool thx
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10:48:58bluebrotheranyone against rejecting FS #7788? IMO it's only bloat.
10:49:48JdGordon_not i
10:50:09JdGordon_I actually think that was rejected once already
10:50:12JdGordon_or its a duplicate
10:50:27bluebrotherI had some similar impression but wasn't sure.
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10:52:16LearjhMikeS: Stopping playback in the sim doesn't work properly, it seems. It just stays in the WPS...
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11:21:01LearjhMikeS: Just creating a bookmark causes the same "freeze". Playback continues though.
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11:30:14linuxstb_JdGordon: Any luck with e200rpatcher?
11:30:27JdGordon_no
11:30:47JdGordon_I was accidentrly not running it as sudo this morning, but even with sudo it didnt run my app
11:31:01JdGordon_ive been playing with my mrobe this arvo :)
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11:48:03LearjhMikeS: Ok, tracked it down to the first call to remove in dircache_do_rebuild. sim_remove calls dircache_remove, which never returns because dircache_do_rebuild is running...
11:49:07*JdGordon have a very simple touchpad/mouse system working in the sim :D
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11:53:23ddaltoncan someone help me with indentation?
11:55:39linuxstb_I have a few minutes - what's the problem?
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11:57:42ddaltonlinuxstb_: Were you talking to me?
11:58:03linuxstb_Yes
11:59:02ddaltonOk I have been trying to get my indentation right. I have finally worked out how to install indent on cygwin. And it seems to have done the indentation for me so could you have a look at my indentation?
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12:00:08linuxstb_Sure. But the problem with using indent is that it may change existing indentation - meaning your patch will include lots of irrelevant changes.
12:01:26bluebrothercan't you just tell diff to not include whitespace changes?
12:01:31ddaltonok could you have a look at the following link and tell me what is wrong with the indentation? http://pastebin.ca/raw/699390
12:01:54linuxstb_bluebrother: Yes, that would help, but still might not be perfect - e.g. if indent changes brace positions.
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12:02:25bluebrotheruuh −− what indent style is that? GNU?
12:02:35ddaltonok so does anyone have a solution for a blind programmer programming on rockbox? (I am not a programmer but couldn't say user)
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12:02:47ddaltonbecause that wouldn't make sence
12:03:28linuxstb_ddalton: 2 problems with that indenting: 1) It uses 2 spaces to indent, and Rockbox uses 4. 2) The braces are indented one level higher than the if() they belong to - they should be the same level.
12:03:46bluebrothertry indent −−kr
12:04:09ddaltonso "indent −−kr filename"?
12:04:39ddaltonlinuxstb_: Do you know how to change the indenting using indent
12:04:51bluebrotheryep. This uses the "K&R" indentation style which should be much closer to Rockbox indentation
12:05:13linuxstb_ddalton: No, I've never used indent.
12:05:16bluebrotherddalton: -i4 sets indentation to 4 spaces.
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12:05:46ddaltonbluebrother I am in the shell. What should I type first?
12:06:09GodEater_I'm sure I came up with a set of arguments to give to indent about 3 weeks ago that were perfect Rockbox style
12:06:11bluebrotherthe order doesn't matter. −−kr in fact includes -i4
12:06:16GodEater_they should still be in the logs
12:06:20GodEater_K&R isn't quite right
12:06:47bluebrotherno −− this is why I called it "closer" ;)
12:07:16ddaltonso "indent −−kr filename"
12:08:39bluebrotherGodEater_: indent -bl -bli0 -br -i4 -nut
12:09:00ddaltonindent -bl -bli0 -br -i4 -nut filename ?
12:09:10bluebrotheryes.
12:12:55ddaltonis this any better? http://pastebin.ca/raw/699400
12:15:51ddaltonHow do I get it to put the braces on there own line?
12:15:57ddaltonand is the rest of the indenting ok?
12:16:25bluebrotherwell, it matches Rockbox style in a way I would consider good.
12:17:04bluebrotherremove -bl -br to put all braces on its own line. Though I prefer having them after the if / while statement ...
12:17:41n1swe don't have a style guideline for that but you should follow the style of the rest of the file
12:18:30LearjhMikeS: One strange thing though: how can it work on target? :)
12:19:52LearjhMikeS: Found why: a check in remove() on target prevents it from happening.
12:20:32ddaltonI know but being blind braces on new lines are a lot easier.
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12:21:35ddaltonso what would the whole command be to 1. Do the indentation right. 2. Do the braces. 3. run on testprog.c
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12:28:25n1sLear: I got the gcc 4.3 build to work yesterday, just had to add 'volatile' to a couple of asm blobs in the pcf driver and it all works nicely, still have th ecodesize problem with Tremor though
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12:28:55*JdGordon slaps jhMikeS
12:29:12JdGordon /* Needed by the accelerating wheel driver for Sansa e200 */ <- from uisimulator/sdl/button.c
12:29:20JdGordoncaused me a bit of grief
12:29:27*linuxstb is still looking for people to test the new sansapatcher/e200 bootloader release - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-0.3.zip
12:29:34n1sJdGordon: that's me :-)
12:29:40JdGordonah woops
12:29:42JdGordonsorry jhMikeS
12:30:17n1swithout it buttons wont work in the sansa sim
12:32:12JdGordonmy workaround seems to be ok
12:33:12JdGordonhaha nope
12:34:53Lloreanlinuxstb: I could've sworn that the bl_* files went in flash, rather than being kept in a hidden partition.
12:36:25Learn1s: Nice. Any speed tests?
12:38:12Lloreanlinuxstb: On a related note, linux version of Sansapatcher works fine for me.
12:39:13linuxstbLlorean: No, there's no flash on the Sansas (apart from the "i2c rom" which e200tool can read/write) - that contains the "pre-bootloader" that loads the main bootloader from the hidden partition and (I think) provides the manufacturer mode functionality.
12:39:26linuxstbThanks for testing sansapatcher - so the bootloader is fine as well?
12:40:13Lloreanlinuxstb: And the i2c ROM is where we write the patched BL_sd blah, right?
12:40:38LloreanThe "Bootloader" loaded from the hidden partition is our MI4 file?
12:41:06Lloreanlinuxstb: I used the builtin bootloader for Sansapatcher, do I need to test the included .mi4 file separately?
12:41:28linuxstbNo, the included mi4 is just to go on the server for rbutil to download - it's the same one that's embedded in sansapatcher.
12:41:37LloreanAlright, the embedded one boots Rockbox fine.
12:41:47n1sLear: not yet, just a quick check in the audio debug screen show no boosting for mp3 at 192 kbit/s at least :-) I had to build Tremor with -Os so it is a lot slower than it used to be ~25% boost
12:42:07Lloreanlinuxstb: No problems with OF either. Since I don't have the line bug, I can't speak about that.
12:42:09linuxstbsansapatcher doesn't touch the i2c rom. It leaves the Sansa bootloader alone, and replaces the Sansa firmware with the Rockbox bootloader.
12:42:25linuxstb^It also leaves the...
12:42:43Lloreanlinuxstb: The e200tool install process you mean?
12:42:51linuxstbNo
12:43:00LloreanI'm talking about the e200R install process, for "writing the .rom file"
12:43:15Lloreansansapatcher just moves things around in the partition that we can actually see from the PC
12:43:48LloreanI'm trying to work out what exactly happens during the current R install process, because I may have given wrong information in the R automatic installer thread.
12:43:58linuxstbThere are 3 pieces of Sansa code in the boot process - i2c rom, Sansa bootloader, Sansa firmware. The e200tool process replaces the Sansa bootloader with a patched version that ignores the signature check.
12:44:05linuxstbIs my explanation in that thread unclear?
12:44:07LloreanAh
12:44:36LloreanWell, it doesn't align with what I thought was happening in the install process
12:44:44linuxstbI know... ;)
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12:45:17LloreanSince we install a patched bl_sd_boardsupportsd.rom
12:45:26JdGordonn1s: is there anything obviously wrong with http://rafb.net/p/Ams5ej24.html ?
12:45:42LloreanWhich in the past I'd been led to believe was stored in ROM somewhere
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12:47:25n1sJdGordon: no that I can see, easy to test though, if the wheel works in the sansa sim it should be ok, also you might want to move the e200 comment down to the 1 << 24 line to make it less confusing, btw what are you working on?
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12:48:13JdGordonn1s: im working on mouse/touchpad for rockbox, and with that no buttons work and the mouse only seems to get the y value?
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12:50:17JdGordonintptr_t isnt 16bit is it?
12:50:41n1sJdGordon: nope, it's big enough to hold an adress
12:50:54JdGordonhmm... woops, im shifting after the bitmask
12:50:56n1s32 bit for 32 bit targets and 64 for 64 :-)
12:52:00JdGordonnow mouse works but keyboard doesnt :(
12:56:07linuxstbJdGordon: Any reason for doing that, or just for fun?
12:56:24JdGordonthe mrobe has 1 button and a 640x480 touchscreen :)
12:56:25ddaltondelYsid: around?
12:56:33JdGordonalso, mouse in the sim could be fun
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12:57:28ddaltonJdGordon: Not for a blind guy. What would it do exactly?
12:57:36ddaltona mouse in the sim?
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13:00:52ddaltonwhat will it do for the sighted then? What beniforts does it have?
13:01:49JdGordonnot much extra in the sim... but the reason im woring on it in the sim is becasue rockbox isnt runnig on the mrobe yet
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13:10:20ddaltonwhat is the mrobe
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13:13:07ddaltondoes anyone know where I should buy a hard drive for an ipod. I have looked on ebay but is there any online manufacturer site?
13:15:17daurnimatorddalton: no
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13:16:43daurnimatorcept for span
13:16:53daurnimatorbut they are hardly the cheapest
13:17:03daurnimatorgo spend a couple of hours looking them up on froogle
13:18:53ddaltonso my only chance is ebay?
13:19:04ddaltonif so how much should they be
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13:33:08*JdGordon is king!
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13:38:38*n1s wasn't aware :-)
13:39:05*JdGordon doesnt know how to merge this cleanly with the current code
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13:43:55JdGordonas a very early start.. does anyone see anything obviously bad with this? jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/touchpad.diff">http://jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/touchpad.diff
13:46:20JdGordonwell.. mostly with the new button modifier and putting the x/y value into the event data instead of the button value
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14:19:56Learn1s: You have an h320, don't you?
14:20:14n1sLear: yep
14:21:02LearSo you didn't get any iram errors on rockbox.elf, I guess...
14:21:57n1snope, it does grow about 20Kbytes some of it in iram but it appears like we have enough headroom
14:22:56LearNot with the 2-bit lcd driver though. Some iram:ed functions grow quite a bit there.
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14:24:52LearThere's (or were, at least) some growth in kernel/thread stuff too, due to more being inlined or something.
14:25:20n1sLear: you're right h100 build fails when linking with "IRAM is full"
14:26:23LearAnd if I reduce iram stuff, I get section overlaps instead. :/
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14:29:29Triple-zhello
14:30:10Triple-zi think im kinda stuck with my sansa e250 and rockbox cuse i cant load the OF..
14:30:25n1sLear: I just removed ICODE_ATTR from all the functions in lcd-remote-iriver.c and now it builds fine
14:31:07Triple-zit writes something like that: cant find /system/OF.bin bootloader faild to load
14:31:21Triple-zrockbox does load tho
14:31:24LearI tried removing some of the non-remote functions.
14:32:34n1swhen I checked the map for the h300 build I saw that those remote functions grew quite a bit, let's hope they improve this before the release comes :-)
14:32:54n1sLear: also which binutils version do you use?
14:33:15Lear2.18
14:33:37n1sso does rockbox built with that work for you?
14:35:04LearNope, still section overlap.
14:35:10n1sI had to go back to 2.17 to get rockbox to work but I need 2.18 to build gcc :-/
14:36:50n1sif I ran rockbox.elf through objdump when using 2.18 the first functions like <start>: only had "..." inside them
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14:37:04LearSomething changed in the link script syntax then, it seems.
14:37:38n1sI thought so too but I'm not familiar with those and I saw no mention of it in the release notes
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14:38:47LearAnd it's only for rombox...
14:41:10JdGordoncan anyone think of a problem with changing gui_synclist_do_button() to return BOOL instead of an action code to say weather the aciton was handled r not?
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14:45:23bluebrotherare there any major advantages in using gcc 4.3 for coldfire?
14:46:23n1sbluebrother: I haven't tested it thourougly yet but it at least allows us to build the compiler without patches for amd64
14:46:27n1s:-)
14:46:32bluebrotherok.
14:46:49bluebrotherI have a h120, if you need someone to try a build on that just let me know
14:47:02n1salso since 4.3 > 3.4 it _must_ be better ;-)
14:47:18Learn1s: What did you do for flac/shndec?
14:48:49n1sLear: remove the 'volatile' from the asm blob in coldfire_lshift_samples(), haven't tested it though
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14:49:06LearSounds like that would break it... :)
14:50:06n1sI think that error is a compile rbug, it wasn't there two weeks ago and I don't understand why it would make sense so I hope it goes away by itself :-)
14:51:47Paul123Hey I just installed Rockbox on my ipod, and i was just wondering what it meant by 'Building Database' under the Database option?
14:52:03bluebrotherit creates the database.
14:53:04Paul123For all the sub folders such as games etc?
14:53:13bluebrotherfor the complete disc
14:53:19Learbluebrother: Just building for h120 right now. And so far, 4.x hasn't been better for m68k...
14:53:37Lear... for my h120 ...
14:53:39bluebrotherPaul123: check the manual ...
14:54:13Paul123alright.
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15:00:04Learn1s: Thought I volatiled all asm in pcf, but that wasn't enough...
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15:03:24wraithhello
15:04:55n1sLear: what happends?
15:04:57markunhi wraith
15:05:57n1sLear: hmm, the h100 doesn't have that chip so no wonder :-)
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15:06:10LearSame as you, freeze immediately. Yes, realized that. :)
15:08:41n1swith hout that change I din't get the freeze just no buttons/batterylevel/rtc
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15:08:49LearAh, hadn't re-linked with 2.17, that could explain a thing or two... :)
15:11:51maddlerevening all...
15:12:10wraithdo i have to configure anything for my rockboxed nano to play .wma?
15:12:26LearWorks now. Didn't go for -Os on Tremor though, just removed some icode stuff.
15:12:46bluebrotherwraith: no
15:12:58bluebrotherjust keep in mind that wma doesn't support seeking yet.
15:15:42BuscheljhMikeS: you there?
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15:18:26Paul123ive read through the manual, now im a little bit more upto speed
15:18:42Paul123when your installing new themes, where to you put the font files?
15:18:51wraithdoesn't seem to want to play .wma files at all
15:19:09BigBambiwraith: and how old is your build?
15:19:26SoapPaul123: when installing new themes, the theme should be packaged in such a way that if you simply extract the .zip file to the root of your player's directory - all files will go to the right place.
15:19:28FebsAnd are the .wma files DRM protected?
15:19:36wraithwas sure i got the latest
15:19:40BigBambiwhen?
15:19:53wraithfew days ago
15:20:05wraiththey're ripped from cds through windows media so they could be
15:20:09BigBambiRockbox is updated many times a day, but wma should still work a few days ago
15:20:35SoapPaul123: The same thing /should/ be true of anything you add to your player. "Anything" meaning fonts package, themes / WPSs, updated builds. You'll have to place your Doom and Pacman binaries yourself, as well as your music.
15:20:36BigBambiIn this case, if they don't work I'm guessing drm, but in future please try with latest current build first
15:20:58FebsWindows Media Player has an option to include DRM in ripped files. In at least one version of WMP, that option was enabled by default. Make sure it's turned off.
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15:21:36BigBambiAnd if you are reripping, use a better format :)
15:23:02Paul123ugh im doing all that im supposed to, and it still isn't working.
15:23:09Paul123trial and error i guess.
15:24:44Learn1s: Ogg and gcc 4.3 don't go well together (don't know if the lack of icode is the main reason though), mp3 is about the same, and m4a is _much_ faster - unless I did something wrong...
15:25:15n1sLear: what kind of speed do you get for ogg?
15:26:37LearAbout 20% slower.
15:27:25n1soutch, is that with test_codec or boost ratio?
15:27:57Leartest_codec
15:28:48LearSo, for a fairly low bitrate file, speed went from 319 to 248 %.
15:29:24n1sI noticed the other day that -Os makes test_codec a bit slower it gives me about 300% realtime on a file that gets 325% when using -O I haven't investigated further (and this was with 3.4.6)
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15:45:48n1sok, -O or -Os doesn't seem to make a difference for test_codec with gcc4.3
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15:53:22maploinwhy is there no mention of the iriver x20 on the site? can i hope for a port in the near future? should i make a request somewhere?
15:53:34bluebrotherbecause it's not supported.
15:53:48JdGordonand no you shouldnt
15:53:57bluebrotherports don't get planned. They happen when someone interested steps up doing the work.
15:54:06bluebrothersee http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPorts
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15:56:42markunlinuxstb: was anyone planning to port the cook codec? :)
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16:04:41maploinis there a "getting started" guide for writing a new port of rockbox?
16:05:15markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
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16:05:42maplointhanks you
16:06:07markunmaploin: first things to do is to identify all the components
16:06:47markunalso collecting some firmware updates is a good thing, but for iriver we already know a site with a lot of updates
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16:08:11maploinmarkun, which site is that?
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16:22:11Triple-zi think im kinda stuck with my sansa e250 and rockbox cuse i cant load the OF..
16:22:18Triple-zit writes something like that: cant find /system/OF.bin bootloader faild to load
16:22:25Triple-zrockbox does load tho
16:24:21Triple-zwhat can i do?
16:24:34Triple-zi cant use the usb now
16:24:54n1sTriple-z: how did you install?
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16:27:03Triple-zhmm ok i think i know my problem
16:27:21Triple-zi didnt put OF.bin in the system folder of my sansa
16:27:30n1sThat shouldn't have happened if you followed the instructions, but anyway take a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
16:30:05Triple-zthx man
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16:35:30kfazzhas anyone seen this patch before? http://ja.pastebin.ca/638960
16:35:37kfazzi accidently found it through google
16:36:52kfazzi couldn't find it on the tracker
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17:04:12ShadowCodehi all I have a Q.
17:04:54ShadowCodeI have a RockChip Player and I want to instal RockBox on it
17:05:12ShadowCodebut I dont know is it support it
17:05:42LloreanNo, the only players supported are those listed as supported at the website.
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17:07:23ShadowCodewhy ?
17:07:32bluebrotherbecause nobody ported it.
17:07:43ShadowCodeis it a hardware thing ? or are not tested
17:07:53LloreanPeople have to take the software and convert it.
17:07:59bluebrotherit's a nobody-did-it-thing
17:08:30ShadowCodeand where cen I get info on the converting process
17:08:44bluebrotherfeel free to start working on it but be aware that this is a lot of work
17:08:44LloreanShadowCode: It's not a specific process.
17:08:50ShadowCodei cen code in C++ and some other languages
17:08:52bluebrothersee http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPorts
17:09:02bluebrotherRockbox is C, with some parts in asm.
17:09:11ShadowCodenp
17:09:35bluebrotherand there is no dynamic memory.
17:10:07ShadowCodeand theoretically is it posible to d oa Port on a RockChip player ?
17:10:45LloreanAs long as you can figure out how to get your own code to run on a player, a port is theoretically possible, though what Rockbox will be able to do depends on CPU speed and other hardware constraints.
17:11:31GodEater_what arch is Rockchip ?
17:11:48ShadowCodearch ?
17:11:52bluebrotherarchitecture.
17:12:06GodEater_ARM? ColdFire? Something else ?
17:12:11ShadowCodeI dont know that is the big problem
17:12:29bluebrotherthen you need to find out ;)
17:12:38ShadowCodeif you cen help me to find the arch ?
17:12:47bluebrotherhave you disassembled the player?
17:12:57ShadowCodecen you recomend a tool or a tech ?
17:13:01ShadowCodeyes
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17:13:03GodEater_screwdriver ?
17:13:07ShadowCodeno
17:13:17*bluebrother suggests a screwdriver as initial tool
17:13:41jbit"A plethora of MP3 and MP4 players coming from China starting in 2006 utilize the video processing system-on-a-chip 'Rockchip'. "
17:13:41ShadowCodehttp://i.dir.bg/shop_storage/shop_xml/add/2007/04/01/t_6197484.jpg
17:13:50ShadowCodelook the pic
17:14:03ShadowCodethis is the palyer Diva fx-62
17:14:09GodEater_what's that supposed to tell us ?
17:14:45ShadowCodethe whay it is opened :D
17:14:49bluebrotherit tells in fact nothing useful.
17:14:51GodEater_we need hi-res pictures of the inside
17:15:00ShadowCodeok I see a Samsung flash chip
17:15:10ShadowCodeand a RockChip processor
17:15:30ShadowCodeand one other chip NAND
17:15:38ShadowCodesr
17:15:42ShadowCodesry
17:17:04ShadowCodehttp://www.get.bg/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=20326
17:17:39ShadowCodethis is the best pic I cen find on the net I cen make some whit the web cam but the res is low
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17:17:59ShadowCodeso cen you tell me for what to look on the board
17:18:04ShadowCodeaf the player ?
17:18:21bluebrotherwe need images of the inside of the player, i.e. the PCB. The housing is completely unhelpful
17:19:12jbithttp://www.rock-chips.com/ShowNews.asp?ID=76&page=1
17:19:26jbitseems they don't want to disclose the processor architecture, or it's custom
17:19:30ShadowCodek I am going to make some pics and upload them
17:20:10LloreanI've heard of "Rockchip" being referenced as the architecture of a chip, so it may be cusotm
17:20:12Lloreancustom
17:20:35bluebrotheralso, can the player upgrade its firmware?
17:20:36jbitwell "portalplayer" is referenced as being the architecture of the chip in hte ipod/etc
17:20:43bluebrotherhmm, DSP core :/
17:21:12jbitbut yeah, the "dsp core" thing makes me think it's some custom random arch
17:21:23jbitusually they say "32-bit RISC core" or so when they mean arm :)
17:21:42ShadowCodethe player cen multytask
17:21:49ShadowCodeif this helps
17:21:54jbitaparently a rk26xx can play flac and ape
17:22:01jbitand ogg
17:22:11ShadowCoderk2608
17:22:15ShadowCodeis the processor
17:22:36ShadowCodethe firmware cent play this formats
17:22:47bluebrotherso the next question is: is it a known architecture? And is there a gcc supporting that arch?
17:23:00GodEater_if it's a custom arch, that's very doubtful
17:23:15ShadowCodei dont know the arch
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17:23:45bluebrotheris there a possibility to upgrade the players firmware?
17:24:09bluebrotherif not it will most likely be hard if not impossible to run custom code (well, without hardware mods)
17:24:23GodEater_ShadowCode: if there is no gcc support for it, then there's virtually no hope of Rockbox ever running on it
17:24:32jbitbluebrother: i've seen firmware images for them laying around
17:24:33ShadowCodeyes
17:25:38ShadowCodethe palyer cen upgrade firmware
17:26:13GodEater_ShadowCode: do you have such an upgrade?
17:26:29ShadowCodeyes
17:26:50GodEater_what form does it take ?
17:26:55ShadowCodeI eaven modifyed the skins of the firmware
17:28:04ShadowCodeit is a rfw format
17:28:15bluebrothernever heard of that.
17:28:40ShadowCodeall rockchip players are useing it ?
17:29:20*jbit hazards a guess it means "rock firmware" :)
17:29:28jbitor "rockchip firmware" :)
17:29:46ShadowCodeyes
17:30:02ShadowCodethe S1 players are using rw
17:33:09ShadowCodeI found this
17:33:24ShadowCodeChinese DAP (either the 2606A or the 2608A). on the forum
17:33:36ShadowCodemy is 2608A
17:36:01jbitsounds like the core could be omap-stylee
17:36:08ShadowCodeyes
17:36:31ShadowCodeI found omap on the board
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17:36:50ShadowCodesome ware
17:37:12jbitwow there's a data sheet in that thread
17:37:18*jbit checks it out since it looks like a fun chip
17:37:22ShadowCodehah
17:37:43ShadowCodeI meen on one of the chips
17:38:06ShadowCodeI have one chip whit NAND
17:38:23ShadowCodeone OMAP something
17:38:37ShadowCodeand the CPU and the Samsung flash
17:39:00ShadowCodemy english sucks sry
17:40:03jbitlooks liek a custom core
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17:43:04ShadowCodehttp://admin.gestogospel.sk/datasheets/Rock26XX-datasheet.pdf look this it may help
17:43:14jbityeah i just checked it out
17:43:44jbitthe instruction set isn't arm or mips or powerpc (these instruction sets i recognise easily)
17:44:01jbiti guess it could be some arch i don't know, but it soudns custom to me
17:44:19jbitlooks RISC though
17:44:34Nico_Plooks like there is spam on the ML
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17:47:42ShadowCodeok on the datasheet are some example software
17:47:45ShadowCodein asm
17:48:03ShadowCodecen I start from ther
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18:06:58bickIs it possible to swap stereo channels via sound settings? I haven't found the option. Has it already been discussed?
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18:11:05n1sbick: I think we agreed that it is a pretty useless option
18:12:04bickn1s: with the solution being just swap the phones?
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18:14:36bickn1s: but when the mechanics is so that it's not possible / hard to do it?
18:15:10n1sbick: why do you need to swap the channels anyway?
18:16:14bickn1s: because I've got a song with swapped channels. Of course, I can swap them on PC but sometimes it's not at hand.
18:16:41Soaphow does a song get ripped with swapped channels unless it is an analogue rip?
18:16:59bickBut I don't need it very often. Just thought that it shouldn't be hard to implement.
18:17:27bickSoap: I dont' know. I've got it from a friend.
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19:03:03sbehHi, is it possible to jump (eg) 30sec forward in a song?
19:05:04bagawksbeh: do not believe so
19:05:33bagawksbeh: if it is something you think is worth having, post a feature request
19:07:53sbehit would be a nice feature, if you listing alot to podcasts for example
19:08:12bluebrotherthere is accelerated seeking ...
19:09:28sbehwhich keys on sansa?
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19:12:12bluebrotherno keys. Seeking automatically accellerates.
19:12:23bluebrotherthere is a setting to control how fast it accellerates.
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19:15:06|Marco|sorry, I just want to sure if I've got a e2x0 or a e2x0R, the print on the players casing says e270 but, is it visualy identifiable or is it in sw somewhere ?
19:15:50|Marco|gah, it's Sandisk Sansa e270
19:16:11bluebrotheryou can run sansapatcher. If it's a r200r it won't get detected.
19:16:32webguest41hi guys . . . i'm having a lot of trouble activating the rating function - - i'm activating "gather runtine information" but still i dont have the option of giving .mp3s ratings while listening to them
19:16:50webguest41im on a 1st generation ipod nano
19:16:51bluebrotherit's in the context menu of the wps
19:17:18|Marco|bluebrother: okay, thank you
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19:57:02|Marco|ah, nice, yet another device I own with linux
19:57:48shng9whello. i have the rockbox installed on my x5 (iaudio) | during random playback, if i skip a song, it takes forever to load the second song
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20:04:52ShadowCodeis OLED in Video Driver: Support TFT LCD/ OLED Interface
20:05:00ShadowCodean OrganicLED
20:05:12ShadowCode?
20:10:08maxkelleyyes.
20:10:17maxkelleyan Organic LED display.
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20:11:50n1s|Marco|: btw, rockbox is _not_ linux
20:12:47|Marco|gah, of course
20:13:04|Marco|well, at least it's GPL
20:17:09ShadowCodeand DSP-based Software is ?
20:20:06ShadowCodewhat is DSP ?
20:20:18bluebrotherDigital Signal Processor
20:21:50ShadowCodetnx
20:26:03|Marco|in any case, there is a lot more freedom on it now, so I'm happy :)
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20:35:26ShadowCodeCen anyone tell me from where to start whit the porting of RockBox on RockChip Players based on 260X A CPU's
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20:37:12ShadowCode???
20:37:42krazykitShadowCode, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
20:42:16ShadowCodeI have a Q the Firmware on RockChip Players is on a difrent chip not on the same as the flash memory ?
20:42:27ShadowCodeand is it so on other players ?
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20:43:51oranges2Sorry to ask a stupid question
20:44:02oranges2But RockBox will work with any 5g or 5.5g Video iPod correct?
20:44:12Domonokyyes
20:44:31oranges2Just wanted to make sure before I bought one
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20:45:37*bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodFAQ
20:45:53oranges2I read most of it.
20:46:01bluebrothernice.
20:46:10oranges2Just wanted to make sure there weren't any recent changes in the hardware or something
20:46:16oranges2:]
20:46:29bluebrothernot in the hardware that is already released ;)
20:46:44bluebrotherthe new Ipods are different though.
20:46:54oranges2I spent alot of time in the PSP dev scene
20:47:02oranges2And Sony likes to slip out new motherboards without telling anyone
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20:47:22oranges2its good to know its not similiar with Apple
20:47:45ShadowCodeJTAG Emulators are 25K+
20:47:49bluebrotherwell, I never heard of such a thing regarding players supported by Rockbox.
20:47:53linuxstb_Well, Apple do change the hardware about every 12 months but they have the courtesy to rename things...
20:48:08ShadowCodeis it true ?
20:48:09bluebrotherShadowCode: for that Rockchip?
20:48:19ShadowCodeyes haha
20:48:34bluebrotherwow, that is expensive.
20:48:42ShadowCodeI am traing to port the RockBox
20:49:09oranges2Port it to what?
20:49:14ShadowCodeI dont think i cen get this
20:49:23ShadowCodehaha
20:50:56amiconnrrrr
20:51:11amiconnMy commit didn't trigger a rebuild :(
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20:52:55jbityou don't need a full jtag setup to use jtag though
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20:53:08jbityou can make a jtag adapter for about $20
20:53:20bluebrotherdepends on the cpu.
20:53:33jbitnot really
20:53:48oranges2The remotes don't work with RockBox? :[
20:54:18bluebrothersome cpus require a strict timing which is almost impossible to reach with cheap cabled.
20:54:22bluebrother*cables.
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20:54:47jbitbluebrother: true, but they're usually pretty rare (from my experience)
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20:54:52linuxstb_oranges2: Rockbox works with lots of remotes - which device are you talking about?
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20:55:09oranges2The iPod
20:55:16oranges25/.5g
20:55:29linuxstb_Then no, Rockbox doesn't support ipod accessories.
20:55:36bluebrotherjbit: IIRC the coldfire is one of them ...
20:57:20jbiti did some work on a coldfire dev board a few years ago (for evaluation) and i'm pretty sure i used a normal cheap jtag adapter, i may be mistaken though. (I certainly don't remember anything weird about it)
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20:57:47jbitmaybe the dev board had extra jtag stuff on it to compensate for weird timinig requirements though
20:58:20bluebrotherI guess this also depends on which chip exactly you are using ;)
20:58:26jbittrue :P
20:58:44bluebrotherand having a real JTAG is much nicer than those wigglers.
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20:59:08jbitbut anyway... i htink i'd at least try with a cheap adapter rather than wasting money on real hardware that you might not need
20:59:13jbitbluebrother: well obviously :)
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20:59:40bluebrotherbut yes, trying a cheap adapter shouldn't hurt.
20:59:50jbitbut for most simple dev work you jsut want jtag for writing to flash and reseting devics that have got into weird modes and stuff
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21:00:34jbitits only when you get into the serious want-to-boundry-scan, need to debug certain registers at run time, etc situations where a real jtag adapter pays off :)
21:00:34ShadowCodei reset flash whit a paperclip
21:00:36ShadowCodehaha
21:00:43ShadowCodefor free
21:00:46ShadowCode:D
21:01:48bluebrotherwell, my AVR Dragon already paid off, even if I didn't got time to do too much programming with it.
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21:02:07bluebrotherbut that adapter was cheap. Compared to the usual prices ;)
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21:06:49chrisjs169|winxpis the rockbox site down?
21:07:06webmindnope
21:07:10webmindworks here
21:07:24*chrisjs169|winxp wonders if I'm using VZ dns servers then
21:07:34bluebrotherdoesn't load for me too.
21:08:00chrisjs169|winxpusing OpenDNS DNS servers, so I can't blame Verizon
21:08:06bluebrotherah, now it did.
21:08:34oranges2I'm on OpenDNS and it works fine
21:09:03chrisjs169|winxpworks fine now
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21:22:06oskiei'm trying to figure out if the sandisk sansa e2x0 rockbox port supports FLAC -8?
21:26:55n1soskie: yes it does
21:27:56oskienice.. the sansa e280 looks like a good bet for gapless flac through rockbox..
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21:38:55Terinjokeshrm... and this is why I still have a 1G iPod Nano... no weird "Apple's Locking Us Out" problems
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21:47:42linuxstb_Bagder: Around?
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21:55:00*fxb updated http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/
21:55:11linuxstb_Bagder: (for the logs) Can you put the contents of http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-0.3.zip at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ (maybe creating an ARCHIVE/OLD folder if you wish)
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21:57:10linuxstb_Bagder: Also, can you put http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/pp5022.mi4 in the e200R directory?
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21:58:37|Marco|Rockbox's music player CAN play aac(m4a) and flac, right ?
21:58:57n1syup
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21:59:49|Marco|okay, how do you get the database to update after adding files etc ?
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22:00:01n1sby looking in the manual
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22:12:48oranges2So what do you think the best RockBox player is?
22:13:34Domonokyoranges2: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
22:13:36bluebrotherdepends on what you want.
22:14:16oranges2o-o
22:14:28oranges2iPod Video only has 8 hours life on RockBox?
22:14:54LloreanUntil someone solves what's draining the power, yep.
22:15:13tumurockbox is moar powerful
22:15:28oranges2Doesn't it have like 20 hours normally?
22:15:37LloreanIt really doesn't have anything to do with Rockbox's extra features.
22:15:42Lloreanoranges2: 14-16 I think.
22:15:45bluebrother"normally" depends on the player and its battery.
22:16:06oranges2Normaller = generally
22:16:09oranges2*normally
22:16:22bluebrotherstill depends on the players battery ...
22:16:36oranges2I wouldn't think it would vary too much
22:16:39oranges2Unless you got a bad battery
22:16:51Lloreanoranges2: Yes, but the 20 hours is the number Apple quotes, maybe?
22:16:56LloreanI think that page is wrong though
22:16:59bluebrotherwell, it varies between the player types.
22:17:03LloreanA lot of people seem to get 10-12 with Rockbox on the Video.
22:17:25bluebrotherthe h100 series has a completely different battery (and thus runtime) than f.e. the m5
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22:17:38oranges2<oranges2> iPod Video only has 8 hours life on RockBox?
22:17:39bluebrotherthe x5 is available with a larger battery as x5l ...
22:17:55oranges2I was referring specifically to the iPod Video
22:18:15AceNikguys is there a page givin svn revision numbers to each commit
22:18:15bluebrotherah.
22:18:21Lloreanoranges2: One key is that I don't believe *anybody* has done proper testing with an iPod video.
22:18:32oranges2really?
22:18:37LloreanBy "proper" I mean "Running the same playlist in both firmwares with no sound features enabled, and comparing runtime"
22:18:44oranges2Hmm.
22:18:46linuxstb_AceNik: If you hover over the links on the changelogs, you'll see the revision number.
22:18:51LloreanPeople get between 8-12 hours in 5G iPods though
22:19:42oranges2Well I was wondering if I could get some opinions
22:19:52oranges2On which player you personally prefer for rockbox
22:19:59ShadowCode5G iPod is 400$ and a RockChip Player is 50$ :D
22:20:08AceNiklinuxstb: thanks starting to test out the point where bugs started int he h10
22:20:16oranges2400?
22:20:31oranges2I was just about to go out and get a 5G iPod for 250 from Best Buy
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22:20:44oranges280gb
22:21:06linuxstb_oranges2: I own both a 5g and a Gigabeat F, and since I bought the gigabeat I haven't touched the ipod.
22:22:15oranges2Why?
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22:22:45DavidGWRawsonHello
22:22:57AceNikhow do i update to a previous revision "svn update -rXXXXX" or is it somethin else?
22:23:15linuxstb_It's just generally nicer - faster CPU, more buttons, normal USB socket.
22:23:31oranges2Hmm
22:24:07DavidGWRawsonWhy don't they give us the source instead of the .patch or .diff files. Wouldn't it be easier?
22:24:19ShadowCodein Bulgaria I cent buy Gigabeat only from ebay
22:24:24linuxstb_oranges2: But as you were told when you first asked the question - the "best" rockbox target heavily depends on what you want to do with it.
22:25:14oranges2Thats the thing
22:25:26oranges2I'm pretty new to this whole RockBox scene
22:25:39oranges2So I was wondering what you all considered important in your purchase
22:25:56bluebrotherRockbox compatibility ;)
22:26:03DavidGWRawsonYea!
22:26:04oranges2Aside from that :]
22:26:15DavidGWRawsonFeatures that rockbox can use?
22:26:26DavidGWRawsonLike an fm radio or mic
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22:27:51linuxstb_oranges:2: Why do you want a DAP? What kind of music (and how many GB worth) do you have? Do you want radio, recording, colour LCD, flash or hard disk, remote control, video playback, ....
22:28:25eigmaAceNik: that's it
22:29:02eigmaAceNik: "update" can be abbreviated "up": "svn up -rX"
22:29:03DavidGWRawsonIf your device has no video playback abilities, and you get rockbox, can it play video?
22:29:26AceNikeigma: thanks i tried it, cool thanks for the shortform
22:29:28DavidGWRawsonKeeping in mind that the screen is large enough.
22:29:44oranges2DavidGWRawson: I know the 1g Nano can
22:29:52linuxstb_DavidGWRawson: Yes, and in some cases (like the ipod video), the reverse... (well, Rockbox does play video on the ipod video but very poorly).
22:29:56AceNikeigma: to revert to the recent version i jus do a simple svn up riht
22:30:00lazkaDavidGWRawson: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
22:30:21DavidGWRawsonHow do you remember these links?
22:30:29oranges2Well I of course prefer flash
22:30:37eigmaDavidGWRawson: it most likely heavily depends on the hardware: if the main CPU is powerful enough, yes. otherwise, if Rockbox has special code for the coprocessor (like a DSP), then yes. otherwise, probably not
22:30:38oranges2But 80gb for 250 is too hard to pass up
22:30:40AceNikeigma: can i exclude a particular directory from any updates or reverts ?
22:30:44bluebrotherof course ...?
22:30:54oranges2Why wouldn't you?
22:30:56oranges2Aside from price
22:31:06*bluebrother still prefers hdd players
22:31:11oranges2Why?
22:31:21bluebrotherit's not flash :)
22:31:28oranges2=/
22:31:33eigmaAceNik: the only thing I can think of is svn -N, which does the update non-recursively.
22:31:58DavidGWRawsonIf you drop a HDD player too hard, the hard drive's MECHANICAL parts get messed up. Flash is a solid piece of storage.
22:32:08oranges2Flash is also faster
22:32:21bluebrotherflash chips wear out.
22:32:23oranges2And smaller
22:32:28eigmaAceNik: so you could update "-N .", "-N ./parent", "parent/child1", and "parent/child2" but not parent/child3
22:32:30AceNikeigma: what do you eman by that ?
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22:32:42oranges2bluebrother: After an incredibly long time
22:32:47Domonokybut flash doesnt hold enough space... :-)
22:32:55bluebrotherwell, I had broken flash memory before
22:33:00AceNikok
22:33:07oranges2Thats why I'm probably getting a hd player Domonoky
22:33:13eigmaAceNik: ahh, it's kinda awkward. what are you really trying to do?
22:33:13bluebrotherthumb drive that died after a bunch of months etc.
22:33:14oranges2The price to space ratio is much better
22:33:16AceNikeigma: so i can choose which directories i would like to update
22:33:33DavidGWRawsonAlot of times, static is the cause of broken flash memory.
22:33:56oranges2I wouldn't compare a mp3 player to a thumb drive
22:34:05oranges2While they may offer the same storage medium
22:34:08AceNikeigma: h10[20GB] was kind of messed up somewhere in between trying to figure that out , but most of the updates refer to rbutil so trying to avoid uupdating n revrting that directory at all
22:34:10eigmayou could "svn up -rXXXXX ." and "svn up -rYYYYY ./special/directory", where YYYYY < XXXXX
22:34:11bluebrotherwell, in any case I have a broken player when the flash chip breaks.
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22:34:31DavidGWRawsonReformat your player?
22:34:33bluebrotheryou can svn up folder1 folder2 ...
22:34:43bluebrotherif the chip itself is broken reformatting won't help
22:35:13oranges2I've never heard of an mp3 flash storage dying from normal use
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22:35:43bluebrotherwell, perhaps I'm not a normal user then.
22:36:06eigmaAceNik: from rockbox: svn up; svn up -rLAST_KNOWN_GOOD_RBUTIL_REV rbutil
22:36:24DavidGWRawsonIf you format your player to NTFS, it screws it up big time. You have to format it within the player.
22:36:26eigmaAceNik: but really, if there are problems with rbutil, you should submit a bug report
22:36:44AceNikeigma: ther are no problem with rbutil
22:36:55bluebrotherwhat has rbutil to do with the h10 build having issues?
22:37:07AceNikya thats what
22:37:08eigmaI'm pretty confused
22:37:13DavidGWRawsonWould a rockboy advanced be practical?
22:37:15eigmarbutil doesn't build?
22:37:32oranges2No DavidGWRawson
22:37:42AceNikeigma: sorry for the confusion, h10 builds messed up somewhere , no rbutil only installs the builds by downloading them
22:37:53bluebrotherrbutil works fine here. And as it always gets the official builds it has nothing to do with an official build having problems.
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22:38:00AceNikeigma: im trying to fiure out where the problem started
22:38:15eigmaAceNik: okay. have I helped you enough to do that?
22:38:41DavidGWRawsonA genesis for rockbox could be practical, for those games that only need one button, like sonic.
22:38:46AceNikeigma:thanks
22:38:50eigmacool!
22:39:58AceNikuys is compilin on ubuntu in vmware faster?
22:40:20bluebrothercompared to what?
22:40:22jbitfaster than what?
22:40:25AceNikeigma: can you recieve my messages in private?
22:40:29jbitbluebrother: ugh, beat me :)
22:40:32AceNikbluebrother: XP
22:40:40eigmaAceNik: yes
22:40:50jbitbecause XP has rediulcous process creation and file i/o overhead
22:41:15bluebrothercygwin is the slowest solution. But I doubt ubuntu being faster than any other linux distro
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22:41:47AceNikblubrother: in ubuntu do we need vmware for building?
22:42:07bluebrothererrr ... what?
22:42:14bluebrotheryou need a compiler for building.
22:42:41linuxstb_AceNik: vmware is a way to run Linux on Windows.
22:42:41bluebrotherand you can build gcc on any linux distro. You just might need to do it yourself
22:42:44eigmaAceNik: no. vmware is only required for when your computer runs something other than Linux. ubuntu is a flavour of Linux
22:43:00*bluebrother suggests reading the page title of www.vmware.com
22:43:04eigma:)
22:43:24eigmain AceNik's case, I would recommend downloading a pre-built toolchain (rockbox has those, right?)
22:43:29AceNikok so basically compilin rockbox will be fatser than usin vmware on XP, in ubuntu ?
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22:43:47linuxstb_eigma: No, we have the "rockboxdev.sh" script which does the download and building.
22:44:13eigmanot if your XP is a 3 GHz and your Ubuntu is a 1 GHz :)
22:44:29oranges2Hmm.
22:44:32DavidGWRawsonof course, I use ubuntu instead of windows.
22:44:38*bluebrother build the toolchain himself back the days ...
22:44:46eigmalinuxstb_: why doesn't Rockbox have a binary toolchain 'ball?
22:44:47oranges2The more I look into this, the more RockBox seems like a step backwards for the 5g
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22:45:08bluebrothereigma: what would be the advantage of a binary toolchain?
22:45:25bluebrothersomeone who wants to build should be able building the toolchain too ...
22:45:28linuxstb_eigma: Why should it? It's easier to maintain one script than many binaries for many distros and CPUs
22:45:59eigmaAceNik: most likely any build problems you're seeing are because your build path has spaces in it ("../tools/configure: line 566: cd: /home/Nikkhil: No such file or directory").
22:46:19eigmaAceNik: I believe the scripts state (albeit in the source) that paths with spaces are unsupported
22:46:51AceNikno eigman dont have those problems
22:47:09amiconnBagder, Zagor: Do you have an idea why the build system sometimes doesn't pick up relevant commits?
22:47:35eigmalinuxstb_: requiring new developers to build a toolchain increases the learning curve for something potentially completely unrelated to their field of expertise; although, arguably, it is an intrinsic developer screening process
22:47:54linuxstb_eigma: You're saying a C programmer doesn't know how to run a script?
22:48:14eigmalinuxstb_: I'm saying that the average C programmer doesn't know what to do with a gcc ICE
22:48:29linuxstb_ICE?
22:48:32bluebrotherwasn't there this idea to require students applying for gsoc to setup their own toolchains due to issues this year? ;)
22:48:34eigmaInternal Compiler Error
22:48:43eigmaI see *many* of those while using crosstool
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22:48:52linuxstb_Why are we talking about those? And we're not using crosstool.
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22:49:15rasherICE are fairly rare when building x86 or ppc code
22:49:32eigmafair enough. not trying to change The Ways, just want to be aware of the rationale
22:49:36n1seigma: our script works very well and is well tested, and applies patches necessary to avoid ICE
22:49:47rasherBesides, we *do* specify specific versions of the compilers, so we know them to work
22:49:47bluebrotherbuilding a cross-compiler is really straightforward and I never had real problems doing so
22:50:00eigmabah, maybe I'm just venting because of the ICEs I got while building for ARM
22:50:13eigmanot rockbox build.. I wanted gcc 4.1 with C++
22:50:40bluebrotherwho wants c++ on uC's anyway? :P
22:50:45eigmarasher: yeah, I think the specific versions are key.
22:50:50eigmabluebrother: any device that runs Opie
22:51:20rashereigma: Certainly. Especially for sh and m68k which aren't really the greatest gcc ports in existance
22:51:30bluebrothereigma: I wasn't serious ;-)
22:51:33rasherI imagine ARM being slightly better
22:51:56eigmabluebrother: now, if you're talking about C++ on the PIC, that's a completely different story </offtopic>
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23:03:25oranges2What do you think of the Sansa e2X0 players?
23:04:01AceNikn1s: you there?
23:04:38n1sYup
23:05:16linuxstboranges2: People seem to be happy with them - they have the most features of any flash player supported by Rockbox.
23:05:36oranges2Also pretty dang cheap
23:05:46AceNikn1s:'do you remember the data_init problem ont he h10, you said the id3.c file hada porblem right
23:06:06oranges2Is there a comparison chart somewhere between the different sansas in that line?
23:06:22SoapOranges2 - if you want new a new-in-box Rockbox target, it is about your only choice. oranges2 - If you want a flash player with expansion - and not limited to mp3 and wav - it is your only choice. If you have other desires out of a Rockboxed DAP, there are lots of players better at just about everything the Sansa e200 series does. Not that it is horrible at anything, just not best-in-show.
23:06:22n1sAceNik: yes I remember a "data abort" bug that was in id3.c recently
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23:06:58Soaporanges2: that would be a question for Sansa, not Rockbox. We have a buying guide in the wiki, but it is only about Rockboxable players, not entire product lines.
23:07:24AceNikn1s: so could it be that there could also be a glitch int he playback because of that , & do you remember that revision number of the problem
23:08:04oranges2Its my only nib Rockbox choice?
23:08:05oranges2Wha?
23:09:17n1sAceNik: this is where it got introduced http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/id3.c?r1=14454&r2=14594&pathrev=14731 and no I don't think it would cause glitches in playback, a "data abort" is a hard crash, nothing will work after that (until you reset the cpu)
23:10:06eigman1s: what is a data abort, exactly?
23:10:17linuxstbunaligned memory accesses
23:10:20AceNikn1s: yes i jus compiled 14454
23:10:41AceNikok cool there has to be a playback.c messed with after this revisiont hen
23:10:43AceNikthen
23:10:50ShadowCodewhy are people buing players for 100$+ when you cen get Chinies player for 50$
23:10:57eigmalinuxstb: is there any way to force gcc to always generate aligned accesses, or can you just never index a char[] array?
23:11:03BagderShadowCode: they can't run rockbox?
23:11:29ShadowCodeyes no ports
23:11:40bluebrotherbecause those are cheap chinese copies?
23:11:45Bagderdid I win anything? ;-)
23:12:21ShadowCodethe Chinese are good to
23:12:38AceNikn1s: new flash −−->14454 works perfect for data_init
23:12:39*bluebrother disagrees
23:12:52ShadowCodeand are powerfull so thay cen run RockBox is someone port is
23:12:56oranges2How can a 2gb player for 20 bucks be bad?
23:12:58BagderI love a good generalization, but "the Chinese" is... a bit too general for me
23:12:59oranges2:]
23:13:04jbitsome people like stuff that doesn't feel cheap and plasticy :)
23:13:09bluebrotherhehe
23:13:17oranges2I'd coat it in duct tape
23:13:20oranges2Then noone could tell
23:13:36ShadowCodeI red that the iPod CPU is 75Mhz and the RockChip is 100Mhz
23:13:41*Soap gets the same troll from about 50% of the emails directed at him on craigslist.org when selling ipods.
23:13:48bluebrotherthat doesn't tell much.
23:14:05BagderShadowCode: you shouldn't care about such comparisons, they're moot
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23:14:20oranges2lol moot
23:14:23ShadowCodeok
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23:14:38oranges2I'd think that a 25Mhz difference actually does make a difference
23:14:39eigmait's what cowts sound like
23:14:59jbitoranges2: um
23:15:04jbitclock speed != performance
23:15:05Bagderoranges2: if everything else is equal, it might yes
23:15:09bluebrotherwell, if the architecture is different then you can't compare it.
23:15:15ShadowCodethe Toshiba is only 20$ more expesive then my RockChip player so if I finde one I am going to buy it
23:15:24ShadowCodethe designe is good to :D
23:15:26oranges2jbit: clock speed has an effect on performance
23:15:26Soaporanges2: there are so many variables in the comparison, not to mention assumptions and fallicies in the statement that it doesn't bear ponderance.
23:15:32jbitoranges2: sure
23:16:03jbitbut saying chipX is faster than chipY because it has a slightly faster clcok without comparing hte arch is incredibly stupid
23:16:09Bagderoranges2: it might also just run out of batter faster
23:16:11Soapbut only when comparing apples2 to apples2 and oranges2 to oranges2 ;)
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23:16:18oranges2Ah well
23:16:18bluebrotheroranges2: clock speed has an effect on performance. But it's not only clock speed that matters.
23:16:19Bagderbattery
23:16:23oranges2I'm just a nub
23:16:28oranges2I shouldn't be listened to anyways
23:16:57bluebrotheryou can compare like a P4 at 1GHz and a P3 at the same frequency. The performance differs
23:16:59jbitalso note the ipod has two cpus
23:17:24jbitbluebrother: right, a p3 at 1ghz out performs a p4 at teh same clock :)
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23:18:11oranges2I feel stupid now :[
23:21:25ShadowCodehaha
23:21:47scorchejbit: 2 cores...not cpus, and rockbox doesnt use both fully atm anyway
23:22:02jbitscorche: ugh, sorry :)
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23:31:36linuxstb_Bagder: Can you update sansapatcher on the download server?
23:31:41Bagdersure
23:32:08oranges2Is there a e200R tool aailable for Windows?
23:32:15oranges2*available
23:32:46linuxstb_Bagder: See the logs at 21:55 today.
23:34:22linuxstb_oranges2: Not yet.
23:35:22Bagderlinuxstb: done!
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23:35:39Bagderthe mirrors will be synced within an hour
23:35:50linuxstb_Thanks.
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23:37:53flpwchWhen I'm writing a WPS, do i have to do loads for all of the images first, or do i do those on the fly as i make the conditionals for them
23:38:49flpwchAs in, would i have my %wd, then my %x loads all at the start?
23:40:15AceNikflpwch: according to me laod them all first , then as n when you want them to be displayed %wd can do that in the conditionals
23:40:26flpwchok, thanks
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23:45:17oranges2So the Rhapsody Sansas have some sort of protection on them?
23:46:00Bagderyes, you can call it that
23:46:19Bagderthe regular ones have too in fact
23:46:46flpwchAlso, when putting in coordinates for images, the coordinate I put in is where the top-left most pixel of the image i'm loading will go, correct?
23:47:08oranges2KINGOFNOOBS: Sansa got the rockbox team to do their firmware
23:47:09flpwchSo, 0|0 would put me at the very top-left
23:47:10oranges2Is this true?
23:47:27oranges2KINGOFNOOBS: Yeah its true. They did most of the sansa e200 series firmware
23:47:27Bagderno
23:48:15oranges2So its not true?
23:48:21bluebrotherno it's not.
23:48:39Bagderoranges2: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html
23:49:40oranges2Thank you
23:50:24scorcheBagder: perhaps an update to that status re: e200r?
23:50:34bluebrotheroranges2: please don't state facts you don't know for sure.
23:50:38Bagdera good idea
23:50:50oranges2I don't know
23:50:53oranges2Thats why I was asking
23:50:53bluebrotherBagder: btw, there is a typo: Otober. In case you care ;)
23:50:59oranges2Someone else told me it was true
23:51:15*bluebrother didn't notice that as a question
23:51:16oranges2And I didn't think it was
23:51:31scorcheyou think we would have made a firmware like that? =P
23:52:00bluebrotherthe sansa needs dual-booting because we made the firmware? Sounds unlikely ;)
23:52:10oranges2So I'll need Linux to flash the bootload on a e2X0R player?
23:52:16oranges2*bootloader
23:52:40bluebrotheryes, currently.
23:53:03*Bagder fixed the spell error and updated it for the e200r status
23:53:04oranges2Eek
23:55:24scorcheBagder: 3rd of september if you want a date =)
23:55:43Bagderok ;-)
23:55:57bluebrotherhmm, maybe the e200.html page deserves an update with the sansapatcher method?
23:57:05oranges2hmm
23:57:07Bagderit links to the rockbox wiki, I think that should be good enough?
23:57:20oranges2I wonder if the Sansa View will support RockBox
23:57:29Bagderoranges2: not by accident, no
23:57:45bluebrotherfair enough.
23:57:54oranges2They should put that under faetures
23:57:59oranges2"Accidental RockBox support."

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