00:00:12 | amiconn | That's why there is a delay, so clips are only read when you stop for a short while |
00:01:23 | amiconn | There is one mechanism that avoids unnecessary spinups for file .talk clips though: The file browser caches the presence/absence of a .talk clips for each file as an extra file attribute, so it doesn't spin up the disk when there is no clip for a file |
00:02:13 | * | amiconn only uses .talk clips for folders, not for files |
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00:07:52 | tdtooke | I recently looked around in the debug menu and noticed that nothing was running on my second core for my iPod 5.5g, is this normal now? I seem to remember something running on it. |
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00:14:13 | zicho | Hm, how come no one has ported nethack to rockbox? |
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00:16:43 | Soap | zicho: I think it would be hard to play nethack on a DAP, or any other device, with such a limited selection of keys. |
00:17:06 | PaulJam | Don't you need text input for nethack? i could imagine this to be very anoying with the virtual keyboard |
00:17:37 | zicho | It works on the GP2X |
00:17:52 | tdtooke | thanks for your time guys.. |
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00:18:05 | zicho | It would be a little harder on rockbox yes, but I think it would be perfectly playable |
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00:19:31 | Soap | looks like the GP2X has 7 buttons + directional pad (8 more buttons?) |
00:19:36 | amiconn | PaulJam, Isolinear: Solid mode is faster than gradient mode, but the separate setting could be removed if rockbox would auto-switch to solid colour drawing if first_colour == second_colour |
00:20:22 | jhMikeS | mega-commit cometh :) (well, not that "mega") |
00:20:39 | zicho | Soap: That is correct. |
00:20:43 | Isolinear | amiconn: Faster in what manner? LCD drawing? Processor power? |
00:21:13 | amiconn | All gfx is drawn into the (memory based) framebuffer first |
00:21:33 | Soap | zicho: counting volume buttons it has 19 total. The iPod has 8, the gigabeat 10. |
00:21:37 | amiconn | Drawing a solid rectangle is a bit faster than drawing a bunch of lines (in fact not much) |
00:22:11 | Isolinear | Gotcha. |
00:22:14 | amiconn | That actually depends on what pixel format the target uses, but all colour targets use RGB565 packed into 16 bits |
00:22:30 | Isolinear | Also, the gradient option does not apply to non-color targets, correct? |
00:22:33 | zicho | Soap: You would have to extensively use menus if you would like to play it on rockbox. With some key actions on shortcut-buttons |
00:22:52 | amiconn | (we _might_ switch to RGB444 on c200 for better speed. The framebuffer would stay 16 bit though) |
00:23:00 | Soap | I'll admit never playing nethack, but don't you need to use the buttons in realtime? Is it not a real-time RPG? |
00:23:13 | amiconn | Isolinear: correct |
00:23:32 | amiconn | In fact also the solid colour option does not apply. Just pointer and inverse bar |
00:23:56 | zicho | Soap: No. Turn-based. |
00:24:08 | zicho | You should play it, it is a mighty fine game. |
00:24:57 | Soap | That does change things quite a bit. One last fact in favor of my original argument, though ;) is that the GPX2 allows button combos, most the DAPs do not. |
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00:25:41 | zicho | Soap: Which is why you would have to use a lot of menus to make it playable. |
00:27:49 | rjg | that would drive me nuts, personally, I wouldn't want to play it on anything less than a PDA with tappable keyboard tbh |
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00:28:51 | zicho | rjg: It actually works pretty well on the GP2X. |
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00:39:14 | jhMikeS | hmmm...that must be one of my biggest + deltas ever. :\ |
00:40:47 | iamben | are the resulting bins much bigger? |
00:42:09 | jhMikeS | just what it says but it does make the code more robust and gets some stuff ready for dual-core. |
00:42:52 | * | jhMikeS consoles himself in the fact he saved 512KB by elimating one swap buffer though |
00:44:15 | * | amiconn is a bit puzzled |
00:45:18 | amiconn | It's around +800 bytes for non-recording PP targets, and around +1600 bytes for recording PP targets, but much less for other swcodec targets |
00:45:41 | jhMikeS | yeah, I'm looking closer wondering what's going on here |
00:46:17 | amiconn | Also, the PP increase is independent of dual core usage |
00:46:35 | amiconn | (compare 1st..3rd gen with the minis) |
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00:47:57 | jhMikeS | must've left something in that shouldn't be |
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00:59:35 | amiconn | If it's not something completely unnecessary, it probably doesn't hurt, as we do want to go dual core on PP5002 sooner or later |
00:59:36 | jhMikeS | it does seem a bit much on pp. I expected what I see for others |
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01:00:07 | jhMikeS | there's not much there though. some things were made smaller. |
01:01:15 | * | amiconn unzips a build to his 2nd gen |
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01:02:06 | jhMikeS | that's a 5002? |
01:02:13 | amiconn | yes |
01:02:18 | jhMikeS | ah, good. |
01:02:45 | jhMikeS | I still need my FW card. I suppose this is motivation to not be lazy any more. :P |
01:02:47 | amiconn | music plays... |
01:03:11 | amiconn | You have a PP5002 ipod? |
01:03:42 | jhMikeS | I do but no way to hook it up and charge it yet. Simply out of laziness and not ordering a $10 FW card. |
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01:04:09 | jhMikeS | 3g |
01:04:43 | amiconn | You don't have the original charger? (dunno whether that was included with the 3rd gen) |
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01:05:06 | * | amiconn has another 2nd gen, now without hdd, and a 1st gen as well |
01:05:36 | amiconn | I needed the hdd to get the 1st gen to work, as it came with a broken hdd |
01:05:39 | jhMikeS | I suppose that won't wait though. I'll need it to work on stuff soon for sure. |
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01:07:00 | jhMikeS | amiiconn: I have a cable and 3g...thanks to Davide-NYC but need to hook it up. I don't care to hack together some charging thing when the cards are rather cheap iirc. |
01:09:46 | BHSPitLappy | amiconn, throw in a 8GB CF card |
01:13:54 | Heyoka | just curious |
01:14:39 | Heyoka | is it just my impression or are the number of decoding boards/porting targets rather small compared to the number of actual implentations in digital audio players? |
01:15:25 | jhMikeS | decoding boards? |
01:15:36 | Heyoka | err poor english sorry |
01:15:44 | Heyoka | portal player decoding chips and whatnot |
01:16:28 | jhMikeS | decoding is software there and but there aren't as many SoC's as targets |
01:16:39 | Heyoka | SoC ? |
01:16:45 | Heyoka | system on chip? |
01:16:45 | jhMikeS | system on chip |
01:16:52 | Heyoka | right |
01:17:29 | Heyoka | but isn't porting from the same Soc to another target an order of magnitude easier than having to port to another soc all over again? |
01:17:49 | jhMikeS | oh yes |
01:18:44 | jhMikeS | most are still ARM based so that help most of the time |
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01:25:00 | Heyoka | my question is |
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01:25:25 | Heyoka | how many SoC's to go? (percentage wise) :D |
01:25:58 | amiconn | (1) that depends on how you count. (2) it's not very relevant |
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01:27:18 | amiconn | Factors that ease porting / make it more likely: * an already known or preferably documented SoC. * known or documented other hardware |
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01:27:55 | amiconn | Factors that make ports hard or even impossible: * encrypted and signed firmware. * non-upgradeable firmware |
01:30:23 | * | jhMikeS wonders if theres enough new DMA controller info now to figure out how use it for PP audio |
01:30:27 | amiconn | Oh, and I forgot exotic architectures |
01:31:14 | jhMikeS | the gimini? |
01:31:19 | jhMikeS | *gmini |
01:31:25 | amiconn | (like the early archos gminis with their calmrisc16 (harvard architecture, 16 bit), or the 1st gen ipod shuffle (56k DSP, no gcc port for that)) |
01:32:12 | amiconn | Also the recently suggested chinese usb stick players with their Z80 on speed (+dsp) |
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01:32:28 | iamben | rockbox on ipod shuffle is a funny idea |
01:32:37 | amiconn | Imho it's not |
01:32:44 | jhMikeS | Z80? got to be kidding. |
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01:33:25 | amiconn | Z80 at ~40MHz, plus a dsp handling the audio decoding |
01:33:55 | amiconn | Kinda hwcodec architecture |
01:33:57 | jhMikeS | m:robe will need to use the DSP for video for sure. No way a 200MHz ARM will do it at 640x480 |
01:34:21 | * | amiconn would like to see the m:robe 100 code entering svn :| |
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01:35:33 | amiconn | More targets == good, and porting to other targets with the same SoC indeed saves a lot of work |
01:35:34 | jhMikeS | can't anyone get a port stable, debugged, and reasonably complete before adding yet another? seems like they leave it to everyone else to complete it. |
01:35:41 | amiconn | (m:robe 100 is PP) |
01:36:08 | amiconn | Yeah, there's that motivation problem... |
01:36:37 | * | amiconn needs to motivate himself enough to continue his work on powermgmt + suspend |
01:36:50 | Soap | on 5002 or 5020? |
01:36:52 | jhMikeS | seems like it's fallen in my lap alot recently thought I suppose they've busted their butts just getting things running often times. |
01:37:01 | amiconn | And then there's better bitmap handling, and viewports, and new grayscale lib ideas, and ... |
01:37:27 | amiconn | Soap: 5002 |
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01:38:49 | * | amiconn has ideas and plans to make the grayscale lib support up to 128 shades, with no graininess when changing content, faster updates, and *less* ram usage |
01:41:04 | Isolinear | Does the amp draw enough power to make a difference in battery life in the iPod 5G (or any other targets for that matter)... |
01:41:33 | Isolinear | In other words, will I save battery by keeping my volume at say, -30dB instead of 0dB? |
01:41:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it definitely has a huge delay for playing video. why's that? |
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01:45:17 | * | jhMikeS will admit the graylib code is a bit complex even though it only took about 15min to understand the kernel :p |
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01:48:32 | amiconn | Isolinear: It depends on the actual load. |
01:48:46 | Isolinear | Define "load"? |
01:49:40 | amiconn | If you connect low-impedance headphones (or even passive speakers), the amp will draw more power when increasing volume. The lower the impedance is, the more power it will draw (within the amp's limits) |
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01:50:31 | amiconn | But if you hook it up to a stereo set (line input), you can put it at 0dB (and in fact should) without significant currents |
01:50:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What delay do you mean? |
01:51:23 | amiconn | The high load on PP that makes it stutter is due to the high cpu load in the graylib timer isr, due to the slow transfer through the PP "mono" lcd bridge |
01:51:55 | Isolinear | Does the physical amount of energy used depend on the impedance at any given volume level? |
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01:52:29 | Isolinear | For example, will the amp draw less power at 0dB with low impedance headphones as opposed to 0dB with high impedance? |
01:52:32 | amiconn | That's unavoidable. Fortunately this slow transfer will (hopefully completely) shadow the extra calculations needed for the 128 shades idea |
01:52:44 | amiconn | Isolinear: The other way round |
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01:54:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It seems graylib has a lag to it that doesn't exist on other slow targets. Compare video on H100 and x5. x5 is more synced. graylib tends to lag really slow and then pop forward alot. |
01:54:43 | Isolinear | Impedance = resistance, right? |
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01:55:12 | jhMikeS | Isolinear: not at all. Resitance is a special case of resitance where current and voltage are in phase. |
01:55:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That lag is caused by the sloo-oow lcd panel |
01:55:24 | jhMikeS | *of impedance |
01:55:56 | amiconn | On M5 it's way better. Same lcd controller as in the H1x0, but other (way faster) panel |
01:56:19 | Isolinear | Ahh, I see. |
01:56:28 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hmm...interesting. |
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01:57:22 | Isolinear | Well in any case, the amount of power required by the amp depends not necessarily on the set volume level, but on the impedance of whatever is connected to it. |
01:57:32 | Isolinear | Correct? |
01:57:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It's even more visible with the grayscale lib due to the fact that gray<->gray changes are slower that black->white changes on *all* LCDs without special tricks |
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01:57:42 | amiconn | (which the grayscale lib can't use) |
01:58:02 | amiconn | Isolinear: It depends on both. |
01:58:35 | Isolinear | lol |
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01:58:48 | Isolinear | This is more complex than I was expecting.. |
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01:59:18 | Isolinear | Perhaps I should go back to my original question... Is the difference in the amount of power enough to affect battery life to any noticable amount? :) |
01:59:23 | TMM | Isolinear: most things are :) |
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02:00:28 | parafin|away | Isolinear, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy#Electrical_energy |
02:00:44 | parafin|away | e=u^2*t/R |
02:00:48 | TMM | amiconn: what tricks are those? clearing the pixel before setting the new gray level? |
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02:01:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I've found anything doing on animation on H100 to be pretty much pointless |
02:01:31 | parafin|away | volume controls u |
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02:01:47 | parafin|away | afaik |
02:03:07 | amiconn | TMM: You can't "clear" the pixels as there's no such state |
02:03:21 | amiconn | The main trick is using overdrive |
02:03:31 | TMM | amiconn: what is that? |
02:04:02 | amiconn | That means if the pixel is e.g. dark grey and should become light grey, it's first set to white a very short time, and then to its final value (light grey) |
02:05:10 | amiconn | Using this properly requires precise knowledge of the panel's speed (which vastly depends on temperature). The short white period shouldn't become visible, it should only help to reach the light grey state faster |
02:05:10 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why not simply square pulse between black and white? |
02:05:40 | amiconn | ? |
02:06:11 | jhMikeS | just use black and white and pulse black a variable amount of time? need more updates for that? |
02:07:06 | amiconn | That's how how the greyscale lcds (and also the grayscale lib) actually achieve the greylevels |
02:07:40 | jhMikeS | ah,ok. I thought you were saying you used the two grays as well. |
02:07:56 | amiconn | No, that doesn't work |
02:08:58 | amiconn | It's because the internal greylevels are achieved by the same mechanism. Putting another such mechanism on top of that without being able to synchronise the clocks just causes a lot of graininess |
02:08:59 | jhMikeS | I do know the HW does that. That seems to be true of color panels as well. |
02:09:08 | amiconn | Yes and no |
02:09:29 | amiconn | Passive (CSTN) colour lcds work the same way (e.g. the one in the c200) |
02:09:52 | amiconn | Active (TFT) colour lcds actually use different (analog) voltages |
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02:10:54 | jhMikeS | seems odd to not want to drive the pixel transistors into saturation since that wastes energy in the ouput...perhaps not enough to worry about though. |
02:11:33 | amiconn | See e.g. the HD66773R manual, pages 6 and 85 |
02:11:56 | amiconn | The pixel transistors are driven into saturation |
02:12:37 | jhMikeS | ok, then it's D-class amp |
02:12:43 | amiconn | nope |
02:12:51 | jhMikeS | or another possiblity |
02:12:53 | amiconn | The controller's output stages is where the varying voltages are provided |
02:13:26 | * | amiconn goes to sleep |
02:13:32 | jhMikeS | 1) variable switch mode regulator 2) drive the output into saturation at the voltage supplied |
02:13:40 | jhMikeS | ok...sorry to be so boring :) |
02:15:19 | TMM | amiconn: ah, that is what I meant by that 'clear' :) |
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02:30:14 | Soap | Isolinear: Because there are so many variables in the equation (including those mentioned so far, as well as others), the only true test would be inefficient and imprecise battery bench testing, or actively monitoring power draw (as with a bench power supply and an inline ampmeter) |
02:31:23 | Soap | Since most people don't feel like cracking open their device (assuming they have the required meter) to do the testing, battery_bench tests (properly done) are a functional alternative. |
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02:51:45 | JdGordon | cooeeey eigma? |
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02:53:34 | eigma | yo. |
02:53:41 | JdGordon | hey |
02:53:50 | JdGordon | had any luck getting rockbox runings? |
02:53:53 | JdGordon | running even |
02:54:26 | eigma | yep, karl compiled an image and I loaded it using gdb.. it loaded and showed the menu and everything |
02:54:28 | eigma | no input yet though |
02:54:39 | eigma | and also loading the image via the bootloader is broken, karl is working on that |
02:54:55 | JdGordon | ok, cool |
02:55:37 | eigma | anything new with you? |
02:55:43 | JdGordon | nope |
02:56:07 | eigma | actually, I've been focussing on non-rockbox stuff.. getting hardware monitoring working on my server |
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02:57:14 | JdGordon | non rockbox stuf??! |
02:57:49 | eigma | :'(, I knw |
02:58:57 | Soap | eigma: please don't mention the mere existance of such things. It would be better for all of us (JdGordon included) if he continued to be unaware that there was possible outlets for his efforts outside Rockbox. |
02:59:08 | JdGordon | haha |
02:59:13 | eigma | lol |
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03:00:37 | JdGordon | speaking of non rockbox stuff.. breaky time, then homework :( |
03:00:39 | JdGordon | ttyl |
03:01:01 | eigma | cya |
03:01:07 | eigma | Soap: sorry :( |
03:01:09 | eigma | ;) |
03:02:24 | Soap | I was just looking out for jd's best interests. ;) |
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03:04:50 | ddalton | who is the main tainer of voice? |
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03:07:36 | ddalton | where is the main tainers list? |
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03:11:08 | jhMikeS | ddalton: in the docs/ directory |
03:13:40 | JdGordon | ddalton: there is none atm |
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03:27:13 | qwm | the carnival is over! |
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03:43:26 | ddalton | JdGordon: could I be the maintainer? Or do I need a lot of programming expirience and know a lot about the rockbox source code? |
03:43:41 | ddalton | jhMikeS: thanks |
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03:48:19 | termin8or123 | hey\ |
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03:50:05 | lavadragon29 | hi all |
03:50:12 | lavadragon29 | hi all |
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03:58:22 | JdGordon | ddalton: the official maintaner is someone with commit access... |
03:58:50 | ddalton | JdGordon: could I get that if I was going to be the main tainer? |
03:59:10 | JdGordon | not my desicion |
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04:03:44 | ddalton | who should I talk to? |
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04:03:56 | JdGordon | you dont.... |
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04:04:10 | JdGordon | if the powers that be think your what they want from a commiter you will be offered it |
04:04:30 | JdGordon | you dont have to be in the maintainers file to submit patches and "maintain" voice |
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04:20:17 | Germ | NEED HELP: is there anyway to completly erase the apple firmware on an ipod and install rockbox in its place?? |
04:20:40 | TMM | Germ: afaik, you can't because you still need it for charging |
04:20:49 | Germ | ooo thanks |
04:20:55 | Germ | toodles |
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04:21:08 | TMM | 'toodles' who the fuck says 'toodles' |
04:21:24 | jhMikeS | hrmph |
04:22:13 | Heyoka | germs? |
04:22:26 | TMM | apparently... now I feel dirty |
04:23:30 | TMM | I've been toodled by a germ |
04:25:17 | termin8or123 | anyone have doom on their iPod? |
04:25:46 | ze | haha tootled by agerm |
04:25:52 | ze | just remember... germs are from germany |
04:26:22 | TMM | apparently all problems come from there ;) |
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04:58:23 | ddalton | termin8or123: why? |
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05:06:33 | webguest44 | hi i just got the new ipod classic with 80gigs and I want to know if I can install rockbox on it? |
05:07:00 | ddalton | webguest44: You can't read the rockbox.org website? |
05:07:07 | ddalton | see the front page |
05:07:19 | ddalton | and the answer is no |
05:07:52 | webguest44 | do you know when and if i'l be able to do that? |
05:10:09 | TMM | webguest44: when and if someone figures out the encryption used in the firmware, some datasheets for the portalplayer stuff would be nice as well :) |
05:10:59 | webguest44 | so yo guys need the data sheets? |
05:11:14 | TMM | webguest44: that would help, have them? :) |
05:11:20 | webguest44 | i can get them is there a way i can give them to you guys? |
05:11:39 | TMM | webguest44: wtf? really? |
05:11:54 | webguest44 | my friend for apple. |
05:12:12 | ddalton | webguest44: you have the data sheets? |
05:12:19 | webguest44 | if i can get them how can i give them to you guys? |
05:12:22 | TMM | webguest44: if he can get them, just send them to anyone with a rockbox email address |
05:12:38 | TMM | webguest44: bagder would be best. probably |
05:12:44 | webguest44 | oh ok!! :) |
05:13:01 | webguest44 | i'll ask him 1st thing in the mornig tomarrow! |
05:13:05 | ddalton | TMM: but don't they have to go to someone who wants to start the port? |
05:13:24 | TMM | ddalton: Bagder'll see to that, no doubt |
05:13:39 | webguest44 | can you please give me someones email? |
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05:13:47 | ddalton | look it up |
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05:13:50 | webguest44 | i think i can get them! |
05:13:51 | TMM | webguest44: just a sec |
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05:14:05 | webguest44 | ok thank you!! You guys ROCK!!! |
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05:16:38 | TMM | webguest44: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DanielStenberg |
05:16:43 | ddalton | I have it how do I type it so that spammers won't get it? |
05:16:49 | webguest44 | i have another question i just downloaded a folder from rockbox called rockbox-bleeding can some one plz tell me what thats for? |
05:17:03 | webguest44 | >TMM: Thank You! |
05:17:25 | TMM | webguest44: that's the sourcecode to the latest version of rockbox, if you are not a developer, you might want to go for the binary builds |
05:17:38 | webguest44 | oh.. |
05:18:08 | ddalton | webguest44: rockbox-bleeding is the source code. |
05:18:23 | alienbiker99 | wow the usb stack kinda works on the sansa, my computer recognized it as Rockbox serial driver but thats it. its cool though. |
05:18:23 | webguest44 | how or where do you guys usually get the data sheets? |
05:18:24 | ddalton | I usually check out from svn though. |
05:18:51 | TMM | webguest44: usually we don't, actually, but usually the manufacturer doesn't go out it's way as much as apple does to prevent us from writing code for their devices |
05:19:16 | ddalton | a number of beniforts: -easy to create a diff -easy to update -easy to revert your changes -And there is svn info |
05:19:26 | TMM | webguest44: we don't get any HELP, but apple's the only one that I know of that actually actively tries to stop us :) |
05:19:46 | webguest44 | lol!! |
05:20:20 | TMM | webguest44: so, specs would be good |
05:20:32 | ddalton | TMM: So apple know about rockbox? And the do everything they can to stop our development? If so do they spend lots of time and research on writing secure fw |
05:20:58 | alienbiker99 | not just rockbox though, theres also ipod linux that they might want to stop |
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05:21:42 | ddalton | alienbiker99: so why don't the rockbox and ipodlinux devs work together to try and crack it? |
05:21:57 | webguest44 | why does apple try to stop you guy's from doing this is it illegal? i mean, you guy's paid for your ipod so once you pay its yours and can do what ever you want to do to it. |
05:22:04 | TMM | ddalton: I'm not sure it's specifically about rockbox, might be some DRM measures or something... however, apple's doing their best to make it hard to run your own code on them, which is a bit arrogant imho, I mean, you buy the device, you SHOULD be able to run your own code on it imho |
05:22:28 | TMM | webguest44: it's not illegal, but it's not illegal for them to encrypt their bootloader |
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05:22:54 | webguest44 | Isn't that supposed to be a good thing. Lot's of people buy ipod because they want to put rockbox on them. |
05:22:55 | TMM | childish, but not illegal |
05:23:09 | TMM | webguest44: you tell them that :) |
05:23:21 | webguest44 | i would if i could! |
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05:23:44 | ddalton | and being blind it is anoying. First rockbox is very accessible and accessibility is improving each day with people like sdoyon and it also allows me to write my own code to make it more accessible. Second apple have hardly any accessibility in there fw. |
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05:23:59 | ddalton | actually none for blind users |
05:24:01 | webguest44 | did you know you guy's came out in one of the computer magazines? i can't remember which though. |
05:24:33 | ddalton | Like how can I find a song on my ipod using the apple firmware I can't. What about if I want to change a setting I can't. |
05:24:39 | webguest44 | it was PC something? |
05:24:41 | ddalton | with rockbox I can do this fine |
05:25:14 | ddalton | And itunes is just about 100% not accessible. But im sure apple don't really care |
05:25:20 | TMM | ddalton: I think you are preaching to the chore here :) |
05:25:29 | webguest44 | apple shouldn't try to stop you guy's . You guy's are actually helping them sell more!! |
05:25:34 | webguest44 | :) |
05:26:37 | ddalton | TMM: but think about it they are basically stopping blind users from having access to an ipod |
05:27:02 | TMM | ddalton: I couldn't agree more, but then again, why would a blind person by an iPod then? |
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05:28:26 | ddalton | who knows I am not going to. |
05:28:42 | ddalton | My fourth gen broke after a year. |
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05:28:49 | ddalton | so I am using a h300 |
05:28:50 | webguest44 | can one of you guys plz give me a link to where i can download the new rockbox utilitytool? |
05:29:02 | webguest44 | I can find it? |
05:29:04 | ddalton | rbutil? |
05:29:08 | webguest44 | sorry. |
05:29:22 | webguest44 | yes. |
05:29:38 | ddalton | hang on |
05:29:43 | ddalton | did you get my pm? |
05:30:44 | ddalton | is this it? |
05:30:45 | ddalton | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
05:31:43 | webguest44 | ThAnK yOu!! |
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05:33:01 | TMM | webguest44: how do you suppose you'll get the datasheets anyway? |
05:33:07 | ddalton | actually that might not be the latest version |
05:33:35 | webguest44 | I'll ask my friend. |
05:33:45 | webguest44 | He works for apple! |
05:33:47 | TMM | webguest44: what's his position within apple? |
05:34:02 | webguest44 | 3 years now. |
05:34:04 | ddalton | hey can someone with svn access commit a patch. It doesn't do anything but will be useful and cleans up main_menu.c a bit. |
05:34:08 | ddalton | FS #7897 |
05:34:43 | webguest44 | I have no idea but hes got a lot of friends! |
05:34:46 | TMM | webguest44: what does he DO for apple? :) |
05:35:36 | ddalton | how do I compile rbutil? |
05:36:01 | webguest44 | Don't know sorry...I've never asked him...but he might give them to you guys cuz he likes rockbox and he wants to get it on his ipod classic too! |
05:36:25 | webguest44 | he has all the ipods that ever cam out! |
05:36:30 | TMM | webguest44: well, we'll be eagerly awaiting :) |
05:37:13 | ddalton | webguest44: the link I gave you before is r14525 it should be r14925 |
05:37:17 | ddalton | that is the latest. |
05:37:38 | webguest44 | kk thank you! |
05:38:15 | webguest44 | I'll do my best to help you guys!! :) |
05:38:17 | ddalton | maybe you need to build it yourself. Anyway im going to use the one from the link I gave. can't work out how to compile it |
05:39:08 | webguest44 | I'm trying to download the voice file to make rockbox talk but it won't work? |
05:39:45 | ddalton | webguest44: Download the correct voice file for your player. So if you are using h300 down the h300 voice file. |
05:40:14 | ddalton | rename it to english.voice and put it in .rockbox/langs make sure voice menus is on yes and you should here voicing of the menus |
05:40:43 | webguest44 | umm.......sorry i have no idea what that is all i know is i'm using the ipod video 30gig 5th gen. |
05:41:05 | webguest44 | where else can i download that? |
05:41:05 | ddalton | wait a sec |
05:41:10 | webguest44 | kk |
05:41:13 | webguest44 | :) |
05:43:08 | ddalton | ok so your getting the voice file from rbutil? |
05:44:03 | webguest44 | You guys are awsome and WAY BETTER than iPod Linux!!!! I uninstalled it cuz it sux!!!! To slow, to confusing, could load rockbox with its bootloader, and it made my ipod freaze too many times, i had no control over the volume, etc. IT SUX ROCBOX ROX!!!!! |
05:44:11 | webguest44 | yes i would liuke that file. |
05:44:24 | webguest44 | i can't download it though. |
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05:44:43 | webguest44 | i tried using the rbutil. |
05:45:17 | ddalton | hmmm that part doesn't seem to be accessible. |
05:45:25 | ddalton | I will give you a link hang on. |
05:45:30 | ddalton | what player? |
05:45:36 | ddalton | 5.5 30 gb? |
05:45:39 | ddalton | ipod? |
05:46:22 | webguest44 | no just 5G ipod video 30gigs. |
05:47:59 | TMM | 5th gen? |
05:48:22 | webguest44 | thanks for all the help you guy's are giving me!!! Thank You!!:) |
05:48:26 | webguest44 | yes |
05:48:49 | webguest44 | just normal ipod video! |
05:49:02 | webguest44 | i love rockbox! |
05:49:21 | ddalton | look for "ipodvideo" |
05:49:27 | ddalton | at http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
05:49:44 | webguest44 | ok thanks! |
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05:51:23 | ddalton | did it work? |
05:52:22 | ddalton | o yeah and you might want to make your own build with about 10 voice patches. So then the quick screen, id3 screen, playlist viewer, plugins, all talk |
05:52:36 | ddalton | and only some plugins |
05:53:07 | webguest44 | how do i make those patches? |
05:53:16 | ddalton | also there is one that voices errors and stuff and another one that voices the info screen more and one that improves voice feedback in the bookmarks list |
05:53:26 | ddalton | you apply them to the source. |
05:53:35 | ddalton | do you know how to compile? |
05:54:18 | ddalton | if you can't I can make you a build |
05:54:23 | ddalton | with them |
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05:55:25 | webguest44 | no sorry i don't know how to do this type of stuff. i had do use the rockbox manual and my friend to show me how to install rockbox! lol! |
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05:56:21 | webguest44 | where to i copy the voice file? |
05:56:30 | webguest44 | in the languages directory? |
05:57:06 | ddalton | .rockbox/langs |
05:57:15 | ddalton | you must rename it to english.voice |
05:57:23 | ddalton | if you speak english of course! |
05:58:25 | webguest44 | ok thank you!!! Thanks alot you guys were awsome!! i have to leave now because i have to pick up my girlfriend i was supposed to do it like ten minutes ago. |
05:58:37 | webguest44 | i'm late she'll be pissed!! |
05:58:56 | webguest44 | but it was worth it anywas she uses rockbox too! lol! |
05:59:10 | ddalton | did you get it working? |
05:59:53 | webguest44 | Thanks for the help!!! I'll be back monday ! i'll try to get those data sheets as soon as possible! |
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06:01:59 | webguest44 | :) oh i forgot you said you could make me those voice files how will i get them? |
06:02:38 | ddalton | you could just download the rockbox.zip file from my website. It is a build but it would have the voice file in it as well. |
06:02:53 | ddalton | its not there yet do you want me to build you one? |
06:02:58 | webguest44 | can i have the site plz? |
06:03:50 | ddalton | its not there yet. but probably ddalton/rockbox/rockbox-video.zip">http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/rockbox/rockbox-video.zip |
06:04:03 | webguest44 | hank you bye |
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06:05:30 | TMM | eager fellow, isn't he? |
06:05:54 | TMM | I wonder if his 'friend' will actually produce docs |
06:06:15 | advcomp2019 | that is what i am thinking too |
06:06:46 | TMM | well, doesn't hurt to be nice to the guy |
06:06:57 | TMM | who knows, some PP docs would be nice :) |
06:10:23 | TMM | then there's still the matter of the apple branded chips, ofcourse |
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06:12:52 | TMM | I was kind of surprised apple used off-the-shelf parts for the ipods, I kind of imagined them to be more... creative ;) |
06:13:50 | ddalton | who knows about the firmware section of the rockbox source |
06:17:00 | ddalton | TMM: what player do you have? |
06:17:59 | TMM | ddalton: cowon iAudio 7 working on a port, together with other TCC based players :) |
06:19:36 | ddalton | TMM: When inserting the charger does rockbox display a splash message or something like "Charging"? |
06:20:36 | TMM | ddalton: there is no rockbox for it yet :) we are in a very early stage of development |
06:20:47 | ddalton | ok |
06:20:56 | maxkelley | ddalton: it's supposed to show a picture of a usb plug, or the battery icon will show a plug next to it. |
06:21:25 | ddalton | TMM: do you know where I should look to try and make the voice say "Charging"? What code detects when a charger is connected? |
06:21:57 | TMM | ddalton: I don't know, I'm still working on getting code to run on the thing at all, USB boot mode... |
06:22:18 | ddalton | do you know in general? |
06:22:24 | maxkelley | ddalton: I can look for you. |
06:22:40 | TMM | ddalton: not really, no... |
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06:23:43 | TMM | somewhere in powermgmt.c I'd imagine |
06:23:50 | TMM | but exactly how, no |
06:24:31 | maxkelley | it would require more than a quick tweak. |
06:26:13 | ddalton | maxkelley: could you have a quick look? |
06:26:28 | ddalton | when the charger is inserted is something displayed on the screen? |
06:30:29 | ddalton | maxkelley: what player do you have |
06:30:30 | maxkelley | well, I'm not sure, because my port has a patch where it reboots into the OF when it gets plugged in. |
06:30:33 | maxkelley | c200. |
06:31:00 | ddalton | so does mine but if rb is running what is displayed on the screen? |
06:31:06 | maxkelley | but if I hold down the center button while I plug it in, I can stay in rockbox, and a little plug icon is displayed next to battery status. |
06:31:25 | ddalton | ok it detects it somewhere. |
06:31:36 | ddalton | so are you using any patches? |
06:31:59 | * | ddalton hopes he modified the right file |
06:32:04 | TMM | maxkelley: does it actually charge? |
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06:34:16 | ddalton | maxkelley: Since I am blind I can't see the status bar. but does it show the battery level? |
06:34:22 | ddalton | in % |
06:35:12 | TMM | ddalton: you are blind, yet you code? |
06:35:25 | TMM | ddalton: doesn't that... suck? :) |
06:35:33 | ddalton | yes that's correct. a blind programmer :-) |
06:35:40 | ddalton | maybe not a programmer yet |
06:35:44 | sin613 | there are many blind programmers |
06:36:00 | ddalton | but nearly there |
06:36:00 | TMM | sin613: really? |
06:36:00 | sin613 | i went to school with someone who programmed in windows using jaws |
06:36:15 | ddalton | I use jaws but it is not the best for programming. |
06:36:24 | ddalton | you really need a braille display |
06:36:36 | sin613 | do you have one? |
06:36:46 | maxkelley | TMM: yes, it charges. sorry. |
06:37:06 | TMM | ddalton: so do you have your computer read the drivel from the channel to you? or do you read it by braille? |
06:37:07 | ddalton | yes but can't hook it up to this pc (no serial) so I will use it on linux once I get my machine |
06:37:26 | ddalton | no I have to listen to it all |
06:37:40 | sin613 | ha |
06:37:52 | TMM | ddalton: dear god, doesn't that... suck? :) |
06:38:08 | sin613 | it wouldn't suck if it were a sexy-sounding voice reading it all back |
06:38:37 | sin613 | speaking of which, how difficult would it be to go about making a custom voice file? |
06:38:42 | ddalton | yes especially with all the rubbish that is on here sometimes |
06:38:46 | ddalton | not very hard |
06:38:56 | ddalton | sin613 |
06:38:59 | maxkelley | heh. for a moment, I thought blind=deaf, and thought "wait, why are you helping a project for digital audio players if you cannot hear it anywho? |
06:39:01 | TMM | sin613: I'd find it disturbing to think that someone is listening to my drivel in a sexy female voice |
06:39:26 | maxkelley | that's what I get for being up late. |
06:39:30 | ddalton | no it is a computer voice and it sounds like a guy. |
06:39:42 | sin613 | but maybe the intention is to make people that know you're listening to the sexy voice feel uneasy |
06:39:55 | ddalton | maybe |
06:40:11 | sin613 | anyhow, a sexy female voice for the rockbox menus would be nice |
06:40:16 | maxkelley | goodnight. |
06:40:22 | ddalton | it compiled now the question is "Will it work?" |
06:40:23 | sin613 | or sexy male, if you play for visitor |
06:40:29 | TMM | ddalton: o good! I feel much better |
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06:41:21 | TMM | ddalton: what about punctuation? does it read that back as well? or does it change tone accordingly? |
06:42:09 | ddalton | it reads it as we would speak it. but in the text editor I use for programming I have it say "commer" and speak it all out. |
06:42:34 | TMM | ddalton: so! this? is! very? annoying! then? |
06:42:47 | ddalton | yes |
06:42:51 | TMM | lol |
06:42:57 | ddalton | a little bit |
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06:43:10 | TMM | ddalton: sorry, couldn't help myself :P |
06:43:21 | ddalton | nah that's fine :-) |
06:43:30 | ddalton | hey does anyone here have an x5? |
06:43:32 | webguest94 | test |
06:43:41 | sin613 | i do |
06:43:52 | ddalton | I did a button map and was wondering if someone could test |
06:43:52 | webguest94 | will the rockbox support the sansa c240? |
06:44:15 | ddalton | sin613: can you test a patch for me? |
06:44:23 | sin613 | i'd test... but mine is sitting just out of arm's reach. i'd need to stand up to get it. i know you'll understand. |
06:44:30 | sin613 | j/k |
06:44:32 | sin613 | sure |
06:44:42 | TMM | sin613: lucky bastard! I couldn't find one anymore |
06:44:45 | ddalton | ok do you have your dev environment setup? |
06:44:48 | sin613 | but it is just out of arm's reach |
06:44:51 | sin613 | yeah, i do |
06:45:07 | sin613 | TMM: no more x5s? |
06:45:16 | TMM | sin613: nope, none |
06:45:22 | ddalton | ok can you apply FS #6188 the patch from the last comment and tell me what happens if you tap power in the wps? |
06:45:31 | ddalton | it is from ddalton (me!) |
06:45:32 | sin613 | that sucks. i bought 10 of them two januarys ago |
06:45:40 | sin613 | sold all but two |
06:45:44 | TMM | sin613: TEN? |
06:45:47 | sin613 | one for me, one for my wife |
06:46:06 | sin613 | yeah... i had to pay for our players somehow. made the most sense to sell the players at a profit |
06:46:21 | TMM | with rockbox on it, I assume? :) |
06:46:32 | sin613 | didn't know about rockbox at the time |
06:46:35 | sin613 | wish i had |
06:46:56 | sin613 | i've only been using since... earlier this year, i guess |
06:47:15 | sin613 | ddalton: give me a moment |
06:47:36 | TMM | sin613: it's annoying there's none left in the netherlands... |
06:47:58 | sin613 | every now and again you can get refurbs from cowonamerica.com |
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06:48:04 | ddalton | ok thanks |
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06:49:09 | lymeca | I just copied the correct partition table over to my 5th gen 30gb to convert to FAT32 |
06:49:21 | lymeca | dd if=mbr-video30gb.bin of=/dev/sdc |
06:50:30 | sin613 | but that doesn't really help you in the netherlands, TMM... |
06:50:43 | TMM | sin613: not really, no :) |
06:51:02 | lymeca | How do I force the iPod into disk mode? |
06:51:14 | ddalton | sin613: Can you have a static bool? |
06:51:18 | ddalton | in c |
06:51:23 | lymeca | After rewriting the partition table to /dev/sdc the iPod seems to enjoy power cycling meaninglessly |
06:52:23 | sin613 | i can't imagine there being any reason you couldn't |
06:53:06 | lymeca | # fdisk /dev/sdc |
06:53:07 | lymeca | Error: Unable to open /dev/sdc - unrecognised disk label. |
06:55:11 | ddalton | If I use a global variable there is no point of a static? |
06:58:24 | ddalton | sin613: did you get a chance to test the patch? |
06:59:22 | sin613 | attempting to apply it. i've never used patches before, so i have no idea why the patch utility is telling me it can't find the file to patch |
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07:00:03 | ddalton | from a shell in your sorce root type: patch -p0 < study_mode.patch or .diff what ever it is called. |
07:00:14 | ddalton | did you get the one from the last comment? |
07:00:34 | sin613 | yeah |
07:00:57 | ddalton | ok did the patch apply? |
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07:01:19 | jmspeex | Hi, is it just me or a lot of info disappeared from your website? |
07:01:22 | sin613 | yeah, it did |
07:01:27 | sin613 | running make now |
07:01:32 | ddalton | ok |
07:01:54 | ddalton | so you don't use patches? then how do you get the new features? |
07:01:58 | ddalton | that patches have |
07:02:05 | jmspeex | I'm trying to get more info on supported players, so I can make a decision and I can't find anything beyond "we support X, Y and X". |
07:02:37 | jmspeex | Can anyone recommend a player that can actually be bought today. |
07:02:39 | sin613 | i just use svn |
07:02:54 | ddalton | so you just the normal build? |
07:02:59 | ddalton | use the normal build |
07:03:04 | ddalton | with no changes? |
07:03:07 | sin613 | yeah, i've only started poking around in the source |
07:03:12 | sin613 | no, i make changes |
07:03:23 | sin613 | but it's mainly to familiarize myself with the source |
07:03:34 | sin613 | i'm at 15006, this patch didn't cleanly apply |
07:03:48 | ddalton | ok because there are some good patches and if you just compile a clean svn build you my as well get the build from the rb site |
07:04:08 | ddalton | sin613: where did it fail? |
07:05:09 | sin613 | oh f. it's not your patch, it's something else |
07:05:25 | ddalton | ok |
07:05:41 | sin613 | rockbox/build/librockbox.a(pcm.o):(.bss+0x10): multiple definition of `pcm_paused' |
07:06:11 | sin613 | i know the pcm code was changed today |
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07:06:42 | ddalton | what was changed? |
07:10:39 | sin613 | i think i just needed to make clean |
07:13:27 | ddalton | does anyone know what is displayed on the screen when the charger is removed? |
07:14:17 | sin613 | is there any reason why almost every single codec has it's own mdct/idct/fft? wouldn't it make more sense to pull those algorithms into a single library of algorithms to simplify making target-specific code? |
07:15:49 | TMM | aren't they all slightly different implementations? |
07:16:27 | sin613 | what would the differences be? how the output is quantized? |
07:17:08 | ddalton | sin613: did your build compile? |
07:17:27 | sin613 | making right now |
07:17:57 | sin613 | sorry, i wanted to make sure the clean source would build before i tried building with the patch again |
07:18:05 | TMM | sin613: I don't really know, I thought there are slightly different ways of doing the transformations |
07:18:36 | ddalton | ok you don't need to type make clean when you go to apply my patch just make |
07:18:36 | sin613 | yeah, mdct is different from idct, but fft gives results that can be quantized back to dct/idct |
07:18:46 | sin613 | ddalton: done, testing |
07:18:49 | TMM | sin613: I didn't know that :) |
07:18:51 | sin613 | tell me what i'm looking for |
07:18:54 | ddalton | and it works fine here actually I might be using r 15000 |
07:19:11 | ddalton | is my patch in that build? |
07:19:14 | sin613 | but there are still multiple implementations of mdct in the source |
07:19:19 | sin613 | ddalton: yes, it built fine |
07:20:08 | ddalton | ok when you go to the wps and tap power what happens? |
07:20:29 | sin613 | copying the build to my player, just a minute |
07:21:56 | ddalton | ok |
07:22:11 | * | ddalton that reminds ddalton of something |
07:22:21 | sin613 | it just seems like it would make sense for a library of common existing algorithms for a/v codecs be centralized so people don't spend time re-implementing |
07:24:13 | sin613 | ddalton: i heard a voice say "on", i believe |
07:24:27 | sin613 | and track advance is disabled |
07:24:30 | sin613 | so it works |
07:24:41 | sin613 | how do i turn it back off? another short 'power'? |
07:24:55 | sin613 | answered my own question |
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07:24:58 | sin613 | it said "off" |
07:25:08 | sin613 | looks like your patch is fine |
07:25:10 | ddalton | so if you tap power and then next it jumps by 5 seconds then if you tap power again it goes to the next song if you press next? |
07:25:14 | lymeca | How do I play video with Rockbox? |
07:25:31 | ddalton | lymeca: the mpeg player plugin |
07:25:36 | sin613 | ddalton: when it was "on" i couldn't skip tracks |
07:25:49 | sin613 | that was the patches intention, wasn't it? |
07:25:53 | lymeca | Ah that would make sense that the decoding software not be distributed with ROckbox proper |
07:26:06 | lymeca | Does Rockbox at least ship with decoding support for Theora? |
07:26:14 | sin613 | no |
07:26:32 | sin613 | only mpeg video at the moment |
07:26:40 | sin613 | and it's in the earlier-ish stages |
07:28:07 | sin613 | ddalton: is there anything else about this patch i should test? |
07:28:08 | lymeca | ah |
07:28:32 | lymeca | sin613: Where can I download the mpeg decoder plugin? |
07:28:41 | lymeca | It can decode MPEG-1 through MPEG-4 right? |
07:28:41 | sin613 | ddalton: wait, you're right... it jumps 5 seconds. i must've pressed the button right when the backlight kicked in or something |
07:28:53 | sin613 | no, it can decoce 1 and 2 i think |
07:28:55 | sin613 | decode |
07:28:56 | lymeca | Can it decode both MPEG-4 ASP and MPEG-4 AVC? |
07:29:03 | lymeca | Aw no MPEG-4? |
07:29:16 | sin613 | it's an included plugin |
07:29:24 | sin613 | no mpeg-4. i wish |
07:29:28 | lymeca | How do I access it? |
07:29:30 | sin613 | maybe some day |
07:29:39 | sin613 | you play an mpeg video file |
07:29:45 | sin613 | just like you'd play an mp3 |
07:29:53 | lymeca | My AVIs don't show up in 'Files' |
07:30:08 | sin613 | needs to be mpeg |
07:30:30 | lymeca | thats silly |
07:30:39 | lymeca | You can put MPEG-2 video into an AVI container |
07:30:49 | lymeca | Why can't Rockbox recognise AVI files? |
07:31:05 | sin613 | there's the problem, i don't think mpegplayer was written to read AVI containers |
07:31:17 | sin613 | it was written to play mpeg files |
07:31:26 | TMM | hence the name ;) |
07:31:43 | sin613 | otherwise movieplayer would have been a better choice for a name |
07:31:51 | ddalton | thanks for testing it |
07:31:56 | sin613 | no problem, ddalton |
07:31:59 | ddalton | sin613 |
07:32:20 | sin613 | i'd have you test my backlight fading but... well, you know. :) |
07:32:29 | sin613 | i don't know who else has an x5 |
07:32:39 | ddalton | what arguments does gui_syncsplash take? |
07:33:28 | ddalton | don't worry about it all it is meant to do is change a setting and speak it. If it changed the setting it will voice it as well |
07:33:37 | sin613 | dunno, where is that file? |
07:33:43 | ddalton | I just now have to make it show a splash screen |
07:33:53 | sin613 | rather, which file is it in |
07:33:59 | ddalton | what? |
07:34:11 | sin613 | which file is gui_syncsplash in? |
07:35:09 | ddalton | gui/splash.c |
07:36:12 | ddalton | don't worry splash.h explains it |
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07:38:52 | sin613 | ddalton: you submitted that patch regarding the battery_bench button mappings on x5, right? |
07:39:42 | Peps | hi, what would happen if I try to upgrade my apple ipod firmware om an roxboxed 5.5G ? |
07:41:27 | ddalton | sin613: yes but Linus had a better one why? |
07:43:10 | sin613 | ahh. thanks for getting that one out on the table, so to speak. i was still getting my build environment set up and whatnot, so there was nothing i could really do about it |
07:43:31 | ddalton | oh your the one who opened the bug report? |
07:43:34 | sin613 | yeah |
07:43:51 | ddalton | oh ok well that one would work but Linus made it work for all targets |
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07:52:47 | sin613 | if you ever need a patch tested for the x5, let me know |
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07:54:53 | ddalton | Peps: you would need to reinstall the rb bootloader |
07:55:12 | ddalton | is there anyone not blind like me here who can test a patch. |
07:55:26 | ddalton | and has a h300 or x5 |
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09:14:59 | JdGordon | ddalton: you there? |
09:15:16 | ddalton | yes why? |
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09:15:26 | JdGordon | im looking at your patch to move the talk time func tion |
09:15:40 | ddalton | yeah is it any good? |
09:15:59 | JdGordon | I'm going to commit it, but I wonder if it would be better to pass the tm struct so it could speak any arbitrary time instead of only the current time? |
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09:16:49 | ddalton | I don't know about structs but what do you mean exactly? |
09:17:11 | JdGordon | dont worry... ill jus do it :p |
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09:17:24 | ddalton | ok then when are you going to commit? |
09:17:31 | JdGordon | about 5 mi |
09:17:32 | JdGordon | n |
09:17:37 | JdGordon | fuck, this keyboard is crap |
09:17:41 | ddalton | ok |
09:17:44 | ddalton | thanks |
09:18:29 | ddalton | JdGordon: That patch was written for a rec button feature. Also it will probably help with a patch sdoyon said he might write |
09:18:36 | ddalton | but I can't get the rec thing to work |
09:18:46 | ddalton | do you think you could have a look at my code? |
09:18:54 | JdGordon | ok, well, it seems useful and makes sense anyway which is why its giong in with no fuss |
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09:19:47 | Shiny | last week of builds won't boot on my nano 1g |
09:19:53 | Shiny | 20th september build will |
09:20:10 | ddalton | yep well I think it is good. It is all to do with voice. |
09:20:18 | ddalton | so it should be in talk.c not main_menu.c |
09:20:58 | ddalton | and then it is good that you can call the time function from anywhere and just need to give the argument true or false to have "current time" voiced or not. |
09:22:30 | ddalton | JdGordon: just an idea I had would a quick menu for blind users be excepted? Maybe a long press of rec? it might contain "time and battery" "volume" "voice" and what ever else might be used |
09:22:41 | ddalton | by blind users. |
09:22:56 | ddalton | and then if voice menus was off a long rec would do what it does now |
09:23:25 | ddalton | Shiny: what bootloader? |
09:26:02 | ddalton | JdGordon: did you see my last message? |
09:26:13 | ddalton | about the rec menu |
09:26:21 | ddalton | blind users quick screen I mean |
09:26:29 | JdGordon | busy... 1 min |
09:30:16 | ddalton | does the h300 use "swcodec "? |
09:30:36 | JdGordon | yes |
09:30:43 | ddalton | ok |
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09:34:38 | JdGordon | ddalton: as for commiting all the voice patches... the devs havnt decided what we want to do about them |
09:35:04 | Shiny | ddalton: there's more than one??? moment.. |
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09:35:04 | JdGordon | there is a bit of a feeling that some of them are just voicing for the sake of voicing... not really to be more accessable |
09:35:14 | cyberoidx | anybody online? |
09:35:23 | JdGordon | everyone ssshhhhh.... |
09:35:28 | cyberoidx | hehe |
09:35:28 | cyberoidx | ok |
09:35:29 | JdGordon | he wont see us if we are quiet |
09:35:39 | cyberoidx | just wanted to point out that rockbox |
09:35:47 | cyberoidx | is successfully being used on Motorola hones |
09:35:52 | cyberoidx | *Phones |
09:36:06 | JdGordon | is the the sdl port? |
09:36:06 | Shiny | ddalton: "Rockbock boot loader" <−−−− that's what it sez |
09:36:15 | cyberoidx | Its not there on the website under the Devices list........ |
09:36:16 | JdGordon | Shiny: when did you install it? |
09:36:26 | Shiny | well over a year ago |
09:36:33 | JdGordon | then install the new bootlader |
09:36:43 | Shiny | ah |
09:37:37 | * | Shiny wonders aloud if ther's an announce list that woulda told me there was a new one.. |
09:37:49 | cyberoidx | here's the link for Rockbox on Moto hones E680i and A780 |
09:37:50 | JdGordon | MajorChanges page on the wiki |
09:37:50 | cyberoidx | http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11349 |
09:37:56 | cyberoidx | We could do with some help |
09:38:33 | ddalton | JdGordon: well for example I use the playlist viewer a lot and the voicing of the quick screen is quite good. |
09:38:47 | ddalton | if you go in there by mistake and the buttons stop working |
09:39:14 | JdGordon | cyberoidx: what sort of help you need? has a patch been released for the official sources so it can maybe become and official port? |
09:39:48 | ddalton | JdGordon: one I think you should commit is p6240. I am not sure what dependencies it has but all blind users say it is very useful. |
09:40:13 | cyberoidx | hmm.. i dont have much info... but we've been able to run DOS games :D |
09:40:16 | ddalton | by just using voice in the bookmark list you can't even tell what track your bookmark is for |
09:40:44 | cyberoidx | for some reason they are keeping the discussion at MotorolaFans website instead of bringing it to rockbox so that more peopel can work on it |
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09:41:36 | ddalton | JdGordon: did you commit that patch? |
09:41:40 | JdGordon | soon |
09:41:43 | ddalton | p7897 |
09:41:46 | JdGordon | working on 6 things at once |
09:42:22 | ddalton | ok |
09:42:27 | * | ddalton goes for dinner |
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09:46:39 | JdGordon | grr! |
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09:51:36 | JdGordon | morning amiconn |
09:52:08 | JdGordon | you actually back? or computer on autopilot? |
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10:00:57 | JdGordon | amiconn: ? |
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10:10:00 | n1s | JdGordon: re: fs#7897 the hwcodec sims don't have sound at all so I don't think it will be a problem if talk stuff is excluded from them as it has been done a few times before |
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10:10:16 | JdGordon | oh? they dont |
10:10:23 | JdGordon | ok, in it goes then |
10:10:41 | GregorHollmig | moin morn |
10:11:14 | GregorHollmig | I've got a problem with installing Rockbox on my Sansa E280 |
10:11:24 | amiconn | JdGordon: yes? |
10:11:29 | GregorHollmig | Might so helpme? |
10:11:35 | JdGordon | dont worry, n1s just fixed me up |
10:12:01 | ddalton | it doesn't matter if it is hwcodec it just moves the original speaking of the time to a function in talk.c. You would need access still to talk.c for it to work from main_menu.c |
10:12:14 | ddalton | for functions like talk_id |
10:14:01 | GregorHollmig | I just installed the Bootloader on my Sansa, then I unplugged it. The problem is, that the original Firmware doesn't start somehow. |
10:14:16 | amiconn | Grr, that warning in cfft.c is really a gcc bug |
10:14:53 | JdGordon | do they know about it? |
10:15:12 | amiconn | It does complain no matter how I cast the pointer, but if I pass (const complex_t*)NULL it doesn't complain |
10:16:01 | ddalton | JdGordon: what change did you make? |
10:16:21 | JdGordon | read my comment |
10:17:01 | GregorHollmig | Anyone here to help me? |
10:17:36 | ddalton | GregorHollmig: what with |
10:17:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: as nasy as it is.. what about just cast it to void*? |
10:18:15 | amiconn | [10:15:12] <amiconn> It does complain no matter how I cast the pointer <== that included a cast to void* |
10:18:23 | JdGordon | oh, ouch :p |
10:18:57 | ddalton | JdGordon: like what sort of times? |
10:19:00 | GregorHollmig | Since I Installed the Sansa Bootloader on my Sansa E280 two hours ago I cannot boot theold Firmware |
10:19:24 | JdGordon | ddalton: it can now talk any time oyu would want.. so you maniupulatate the tm structr before passing it in |
10:19:40 | ddalton | so what arguments would it take? |
10:19:41 | GregorHollmig | I pressed the Back Key but it doesnt change anything (I'm sorry for my bad english, i'm german^^) |
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10:21:53 | * | JdGordon wnders if he f*cked up... green deltas?! |
10:22:26 | JdGordon | green on rtf, and red on non-rtc!? |
10:23:08 | GregorHollmig | andrewg867: |
10:23:31 | JdGordon | GregorHollmig: how did you instal rockbox? |
10:23:39 | JdGordon | with sansapatcher? or..? |
10:27:09 | Bagder_ | GregorHollmig: you didn't use the sansapatcher 0.2, did you? |
10:27:19 | GregorHollmig | well... |
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10:27:36 | GregorHollmig | o |
10:27:37 | GregorHollmig | no |
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10:27:47 | ddalton | JdGordon: was your change to make it require 2 arguments? one on what time to voice like get_time () and then weather to speak "current" |
10:27:50 | GregorHollmig | i used the sansapatcher 0.4 |
10:27:57 | JdGordon | ddalton: yes |
10:27:58 | ddalton | actually I did the last argument to speak "current time" |
10:28:31 | GregorHollmig | with the 2.0 Bootloader ... thats what the DosBox says ... |
10:28:32 | Bagder | GregorHollmig: that's a bug we're currently trying to sort out, try the oldish 0.2 until then |
10:28:42 | ddalton | Bagder: around? |
10:28:44 | GregorHollmig | but what can I do now? |
10:28:50 | GregorHollmig | i cannot start the player! |
10:28:51 | Bagder | ddalton: yes? |
10:29:07 | GregorHollmig | i cannot start the Firmware with pressing |<< |
10:29:14 | JdGordon | what about with usb? |
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10:29:20 | GregorHollmig | and I can't connect the player with my computer |
10:29:23 | Bagder | GregorHollmig: manufacture mode |
10:29:32 | Bagder | or even recovery mode |
10:29:34 | GregorHollmig | how can I get in manufacture mode? |
10:29:37 | JdGordon | recovery mode first... |
10:29:55 | GregorHollmig | ok how can I do? |
10:30:14 | JdGordon | turn on hold, hold rec while turning it on |
10:30:16 | ddalton | Bagder: what are we going to do about a main tainer for voice? |
10:30:17 | JdGordon | then plug in usb |
10:30:30 | GregorHollmig | k |
10:30:45 | ddalton | maintainer |
10:31:11 | JdGordon | GregorHollmig: then copy the OF .mi4 from sansa onto it |
10:31:35 | GregorHollmig | damn, it doesnt work! Their only appears ROCKBOX bootloader ... |
10:31:48 | JdGordon | you didnt hold rec long enoughthen |
10:32:00 | GregorHollmig | ok |
10:32:56 | GregorHollmig | hmm... can't load from partition bad checksum |
10:33:06 | JdGordon | sstill not holding it long enough |
10:33:22 | GregorHollmig | can |
10:33:24 | JdGordon | turn on hold |
10:33:45 | JdGordon | then hold rec down untill the sandisk logo shows |
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10:34:53 | Bagder | ddalton: what voice maintainer? |
10:35:07 | webguest99 | hey |
10:35:24 | webguest99 | hey |
10:35:43 | webguest99 | hey |
10:35:57 | Bagder | /repeat off |
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10:38:26 | GregorHollmig | well ... when do i have to start holding rec? ... i pressed it when pressing power... and hold it tille the player turned of after showing some lines of Rockbox (i've taken a picture of it... i'm gonna write down what i can see) |
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10:43:34 | GregorHollmig | Rockbox boot loader | Version: r14712 : 14722 - 070915 | Partition 0: 0x0B 7649 MB |Partition 1 : 0x84 20MB | Loading original firmware ... | Trying firmwae partition | BL mi4 size: EC00 | OF mi4 size : 58700 | CR32 : 225051CE | Model id: e200 | Binary Type : RB0F | CalculatedCR32: 245F22B7 | Can't load from partition | Bad checksum |Trying /System/OF.mi4 | File not found | Trying /System/OF.bin | Can't lo |
10:43:36 | GregorHollmig | thats it |
10:43:41 | GregorHollmig | | = New line |
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10:44:02 | Bagder | GregorHollmig: you followed the manual when you installed this? |
10:45:30 | ddalton | Bagder: what do you think of all the voice patches in the tracker? |
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10:46:20 | Bagder | ddalton: in my view, they don't differ much from all the other patches. They need attention and care from committers. |
10:47:14 | ddalton | Bagder: Well do you think there has to be someone who is happy to maintain voice? |
10:47:24 | Bagder | that would certainly help, yes |
10:47:38 | ddalton | and what would they need to know |
10:47:41 | GregorHollmig | i didn't use the manual of rockbox.org, i used a manual from a german page... |
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10:47:57 | GregorHollmig | http://www.pcmasters.de/forum/consumer-electronics/11137-rockbox-fuer-den-sansa-sandisk-e200-e250-e260-e270.html <−− Thats the manual I used |
10:48:03 | Bagder | GregorHollmig: that's probably your problem then I'd say |
10:49:10 | GregorHollmig | ok, ... well... but what can I do now? ... I just bought the player a few days ago on amazon xD ... is their any possibility to put on the old Firmware? |
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10:49:30 | hachi | anyone know how the 'hold menu' trick to silence the USB negotiation trick works at the hardware level on ipods? |
10:49:41 | Bagder | GregorHollmig: yes, using the recovery mode |
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10:49:49 | hachi | I note that the behavior changed sometime between august and now |
10:50:00 | hachi | and it works a lot better, but I'm not sure what changed |
10:50:34 | Bagder | ddalton: they would need to know rockbox and things, like any ordinary committer |
10:50:54 | GregorHollmig | well... but i cant start the recoverymode |
10:50:57 | JdGordon | ddalton: like i said this arvo, you dont have o be in the maintainers list to keep voice updated/maintained... |
10:51:10 | Bagder | GregorHollmig: then try again |
10:51:22 | Bagder | as a last resort, you can do manufacture mode |
10:52:20 | GregorHollmig | how? |
10:53:47 | GregorHollmig | I forgot using the hold |
10:54:26 | ddalton | JdGordon: could someone like me maintain voice if I got svn access? |
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10:54:39 | GregorHollmig | now i'm in recovery mode^^ :-) |
10:55:41 | JdGordon | ddalton: there isnt only 1 person maitinaing each section.. so yes, if someone like you got commit access then there is no reason why not |
10:56:24 | ddalton | JdGordon: ok I thought I wasn't really a programmer but I would be happy to maintainer it if I got access. |
10:56:34 | ddalton | how do I get svn access? |
10:57:06 | JdGordon | like i said this morning... its offered out if the powers that be feel your ready.. |
10:57:48 | ddalton | so I have to wait. I can't just say I will maintain something and get access? |
10:58:03 | * | JdGordon bashes head against the wall |
10:58:04 | GregorHollmig | now I see a 16MB-FORMAT directory / drive on the computer... what to do now? |
10:58:23 | JdGordon | you dont have to be in that file to be the "maintainer"... you can keep submitting patches |
10:58:43 | JdGordon | that file is used so people who dont have commit access kow who they can turn to to nag to get patches commited |
10:59:04 | JdGordon | the parts without a maintaner means its fair game for everyone |
10:59:04 | ddalton | JdGordon: ok but as Stephane said there is no point submitting more patches if they aren't been except. (voice ones) |
10:59:33 | n1s | GregorHollmig: take a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
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11:01:02 | GregorHollmig | ok |
11:01:05 | GregorHollmig | i will |
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11:07:35 | Redbreva | Folks, general opinion on a recently submitted theme for rockbox-themes: It's a remake of "iPod Simple" but "It uses the original iPod images extracted from the apple firmware" - does that make it a no-go for submission? |
11:09:09 | Redbreva | After all you can't CC licence Apples original icons can you... |
11:10:12 | n1s | Redbreva: that's pretty much a text book example of copyright violation |
11:12:10 | Redbreva | Daft thing is, I can't see any major difference from the iPod Simple theme it's based on - which has original 'Look Alike' graphics ! |
11:13:19 | ddalton | jdgordon: what is wrong with a configurable rec button? |
11:13:59 | Tanuva | Redbreva: but its a difference to draw the images by hand or to extract them from the firmware |
11:14:53 | JdGordon | ddalton: 1) we dont want configurable buttons in rockbox, 2) rec button is already in use |
11:14:58 | Redbreva | Exactly, so as the 'drawn' ones are so good - why go to the trouble to 'rip' the original ones with all the possible problems that could bring? |
11:15:31 | GregorHollmig | I'm so happy^^... after creating a sansa.fmt File on the 16MB Drive he formatted and now I see the old Firmware |
11:15:48 | Tanuva | Redbreva: to be able to say "they're the originals" - but that doesnt help you getting it submitted |
11:15:51 | GregorHollmig | i think i'm gonna try to install RockBox again with the Bootloader o.2 |
11:15:53 | GregorHollmig | :-) |
11:15:57 | GregorHollmig | thx 4 your help! |
11:16:50 | ddalton | JdGordon: why don't we want configurable buttons in rockbox? |
11:17:45 | Redbreva | Thanks Guys, you confirmed my thoughts - theme has been rejected ;-) |
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11:22:13 | slynk | wassup everyone.. |
11:22:30 | slynk | i've got a little question. |
11:22:46 | slynk | about rockbox themes for iaudio X5 |
11:23:33 | slynk | i dont know what im doing wrong but i can get the "now playing" page to show any changes except for the background picture. |
11:24:48 | slynk | the menu is amazing with little icons and everything, but im looking at the screen shot of what the "now playing" screen is ment to look like, and my iaudio doesn't look anything like that |
11:25:22 | zicho | perhaps the theme needs a custom build or a patch for rockbox |
11:25:23 | slynk | its just got this white db meter.. and some shoody text.. |
11:25:33 | n1s | slynk: the wps file in the there is either broken or needs patches |
11:25:52 | slynk | hmm well i've tried 2 different themes.. |
11:26:10 | slynk | i figured it must have been something i was doing wrong... |
11:26:18 | slynk | what kind od patches?? |
11:27:02 | slynk | (btw.. im trying to use http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 IAudioPod v2) |
11:27:58 | zicho | it should say what patches you need at the same place you DL it from, otherwise google it. |
11:28:23 | linuxstb | slynk: That theme says it requires the "webshop build" |
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11:28:35 | n1s | slynk: that theme states that it needs "jeff's own build" which is an unoffical build with some patches |
11:28:50 | slynk | oh true.. |
11:28:59 | Redbreva | And the name links to a download to it |
11:29:00 | n1s | ah, sorry looked at the wrong one put the |
11:29:18 | slynk | ok i'll give it a shot.. |
11:29:24 | linuxstb | Ouch, and those builds are from May... |
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11:29:38 | slynk | quick before i have to go to work hehe |
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11:30:53 | DefineByte | ./getting_started/installation.tex:149: Package utf8x Error: Character 145 appeared alone. |
11:30:55 | DefineByte | Any ideas? Trying to add a patch and get this error on building the manual. |
11:31:36 | linuxstb | DefineByte: Could you compile the manual without the patch? |
11:31:47 | DefineByte | yes |
11:32:08 | DefineByte | I know I've introduced an error somewhere but... |
11:32:28 | linuxstb | Did the patch modify installation.tex ? |
11:32:39 | DefineByte | yes. |
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11:32:47 | linuxstb | Do you have a link to it? |
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11:33:06 | linuxstb | It sounds like it's introducing a non-utf8 character into the file. |
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11:33:38 | DefineByte | No, I don't have a link. I'll sort one out in a moment, thanks |
11:34:13 | DefineByte | It's my own patch I was testing before putting it up on flyspray |
11:35:05 | ddalton | why don't we want configurable buttons in rockbox? JdGordon? |
11:35:45 | linuxstb | DefineByte: Can you just paste the lines around line 149 in installation.tex to pastebin.ca ? |
11:35:58 | linuxstb | (or maybe the whole of installation.tex) |
11:35:59 | DefineByte | yeah, sure |
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11:38:33 | DefineByte | what should I use for the content type? |
11:39:02 | linuxstb | Plain text will do |
11:39:37 | DefineByte | http://pastebin.ca/728737 |
11:40:16 | Tanuva | I've experimented a bit with the mpegplayer on my ipod photo/color and found a quite good settings-set for ffmpeg with not too much skipping - may someone be interested in it? |
11:42:35 | linuxstb | Tanuva: You could add the info to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
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11:48:44 | linuxstb | DefineByte: I get a different error - "! Too many }'s." then "l.377 }" But after deleting that } it works. |
11:49:13 | DefineByte | that's... slightly weird >.> |
11:49:29 | ddalton | in the menu api doc on the wiki it says "callback" what is "callback"? |
11:49:29 | linuxstb | The file did come through as having DOS line endings. I changed them to Unix. |
11:50:02 | DefineByte | hmm. hang on a mo. |
11:50:11 | pixelma | linuxstb: is the new chapter complete then? |
11:50:29 | * | ddalton should have read on |
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11:51:23 | DefineByte | http://definebyte.co.uk/files/manual_install.patch |
11:51:23 | DefineByte | Do you get the same with that (sorry to be a burden)? |
11:51:30 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, it seems to be. Doing an "svn diff" shows a sensible-looking set of changes. |
11:52:28 | linuxstb | DefineByte: I know it's using a macro, but I don't like the term "Ipod bootloader" - I think "Apple bootloader" would make it clearer. i.e. both ourselves and Apple write software to run on ipods. |
11:53:05 | DefineByte | hmm, yeah. good point |
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11:54:06 | linuxstb | DefineByte: And I'm not sure you should be using those utf-8 quotes, but I'll leave that for one of the latex experts to decide. |
11:54:32 | DefineByte | really? just ' then? |
11:55:04 | DefineByte | and "/ |
11:55:15 | Tanuva | linuxstb: trying to edit the PluginMpegplayer page, twiki tells me that access from web has been denied. What can I do about that? |
11:55:24 | linuxstb | No, you don't use ", you use pairs of single quotes. Latex converts them IIUC. |
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11:55:39 | linuxstb | Tanuva: Are you registered in the twiki? |
11:55:42 | DefineByte | interesting |
11:56:00 | Tanuva | yes, just created an account |
11:56:04 | DefineByte | why's that? do " mess things up then? |
11:56:20 | linuxstb | Tanuva: Then you need someone (I can do it) to give you write access. What's your twiki name? |
11:56:31 | Tanuva | linuxstb: MarcelBrueggebors |
11:56:59 | linuxstb | DefineByte: I'm not sure if utf-8 quotes will cause any problems, just that I don't think they're needed. But as I said, probably best to see what someone who knows latex better than me says. |
11:57:57 | DefineByte | okay, will do. I've been trying to catch bluebrother for a few days x) |
11:58:04 | pixelma | linuxstb, DefineByte: from the LatexGuidelines wiki "They are coded in LaTeX as `` (two backticks) for the opening quotation mark and '' (two apostrophes) for the closing quotation marks" |
11:58:26 | linuxstb | pixelma: That's what I thought... |
11:58:41 | linuxstb | Tanuva: Try again now. |
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11:58:49 | DefineByte | qgat are backticks? |
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11:59:07 | linuxstb | ` |
11:59:34 | linuxstb | (I'm not sure how else I can describe it...) |
11:59:44 | DefineByte | are they on the keyboard (i realise i can copy and paste)? |
11:59:53 | Tanuva | linuxstb: works now, thanks :) |
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12:00:48 | linuxstb | DefineByte: Well, it's on my (UK) keyboard on the very top-left key (to the left of 1). I can't see your keyboard ;) |
12:01:06 | DefineByte | ` hah yes, there it is |
12:01:15 | DefineByte | doh |
12:01:42 | DefineByte | thanks |
12:01:45 | DefineByte | :) |
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12:06:56 | PaulJam | JdGordon: why didn't you move the "save theme settings" entry to the theme settings menu too? |
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12:18:22 | DefineByte | grrrr, I still get the same error. I guess my build environment could be screwed. |
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12:30:45 | Conspirator45 | hello |
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12:30:50 | DefineByte | I'm not seeing crlf in the file and it still won't compile for me. this is getting annoying. |
12:31:33 | linuxstb | DefineByte: I don't understand either - I just applied your patch, and get the same problem. |
12:31:44 | Conspirator45 | where do i put fonts on rockbox? |
12:32:00 | Tanuva | Conspirator45: /.rockbox/fonts |
12:33:52 | linuxstb | DefineByte: Hmm, changing the opening quote before Autodetect on line 145 fixed it for me... |
12:34:05 | linuxstb | (changing to a backtick) |
12:35:04 | Conspirator45 | im using a build that doesnt have that folder. can i just add it? |
12:35:14 | DefineByte | i've already done that (as I said) and I get nothing. Okay, I'll try again. grr. I must be missing something obvious. |
12:36:03 | Tanuva | Conspirator45: yes |
12:36:17 | Tanuva | it wasnt there for me, too. created it and it just works ;) |
12:36:25 | linuxstb | DefineByte: I could upload my copy of installation.tex |
12:36:45 | DefineByte | no no, I want to fix it so I don't make the same mistake again :D |
12:36:57 | DefineByte | thanks for the offer though |
12:37:22 | linuxstb | DefineByte: You could do a diff between my version and yours and see what is different... |
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12:37:48 | DefineByte | yeah, I could x) |
12:38:06 | DefineByte | i just found where i went wrong though, so it's okay |
12:38:12 | DefineByte | hopefully |
12:38:14 | DefineByte | :D |
12:38:27 | Conspirator45 | thanks tanuva |
12:39:23 | linuxstb | DefineByte: I think it's simply that you're not saving the file with utf-8 encoding. |
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12:42:13 | DefineByte | oo it builds. thanks a lot |
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12:44:12 | DefineByte | I've noticed that both '/.rockbox' and '.rockbox' are used when referring to the .rockbox directory. Which is best? |
12:47:28 | linuxstb | I would probably say ".rockbox", as people may not understand the significance of the /. I've read at least one person say they couldn't create a folder with a / in the name... |
12:48:14 | DefineByte | that was my thought as well. thanks |
12:49:39 | Tanuva | even the dot at the beginning is hard for some people |
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12:50:05 | DefineByte | well that's unavoidable |
12:50:23 | Tanuva | sure |
12:50:42 | Tanuva | although it doesnt do its job on windows machines |
12:51:04 | DefineByte | i don't think you'd want it hidden on a PC would you? |
12:52:27 | Tanuva | in some cases that would be useful.. but, no, how would people for which it should be hidden come to a working rockbox installation... |
12:52:51 | Tanuva | forget it, just thinking :) |
12:52:55 | DefineByte | :) |
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14:07:02 | Lear | Slasheri: around? |
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14:14:56 | yhtan | halllox |
14:14:59 | Slasheri | Lear: hi |
14:15:42 | yhtan | i am using sansa e200... can u give me the rockbox folder after patch |
14:15:52 | yhtan | for album art |
14:16:10 | yhtan | cause i dunno patch file |
14:16:34 | yhtan | ???? |
14:16:47 | yhtan | :( |
14:17:03 | yhtan | any1 help me |
14:17:11 | Domonoky | if you cant patch you probably also cant compile.. so take a look at the unsupported builds in the forum.. |
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14:18:08 | yhtan | then u send me the whole rockbox folder |
14:18:27 | yhtan | after compile |
14:18:44 | Domonoky | i dont send you anything.. go take a look into the forum.. for precompiled unsopported builds.. |
14:19:10 | yhtan | can u give me the link? |
14:19:37 | Domonoky | yhtan: use your brain... and search rockbox.org.. |
14:19:59 | yhtan | cause i am newbie |
14:20:13 | DefineByte | forums.rockbox.org |
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14:20:36 | Crash91 | hello |
14:21:22 | DefineByte | hi :) |
14:22:13 | Crash91 | can anyone link me to the rockbox font converter thing? im sure i saw somthing like that on rockbox... |
14:23:33 | Domonoky | Crash91: which converter ? (from bdf to fnt ? ) |
14:24:55 | Crash91 | yes please |
14:25:37 | Domonoky | the convertor from bdf to fnt is in the svn, int the tools dir... compile it yourself.. :-) |
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14:27:12 | * | Crash91 is not on linux and doesnt have the slightest idea how to use cygwin |
14:27:47 | Crash91 | if i was on fedora i would compile it....but im not lol....are there any precompiled builds available? |
14:28:01 | Domonoky | i could compile you on, i think, but you need cycgwin of course.. :-) |
14:28:23 | Crash91 | thats ok....fond it |
14:28:26 | Crash91 | found* |
14:28:38 | * | Crash91 is very dumb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFontConvertor |
14:28:51 | Lear | Slasheri: Hi there, the fdbind_cache is causing some problems (disabled dircache). |
14:29:20 | Lear | Any ideas on how to improve it, without increasing the size? |
14:29:48 | Domonoky | Crash91: isnt that the tts -> bdf/fnt converter ? |
14:29:50 | Lear | I was thinking about re-using entries if the fd number is the same. |
14:30:42 | Crash91 | ttf, yes |
14:31:24 | Crash91 | oops....my bad i thought you said from ttf>bdf |
14:31:34 | Crash91 | not bdf to fnt =P |
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14:31:47 | Domonoky | :-) |
14:32:23 | Crash91 | ive almost finished a theme and was thinking of converting this font to go with it.... |
14:32:54 | Crash91 | if the font turns out ok, will it be possible to include it in the fonts package?? |
14:33:05 | Domonoky | Crash91: make sure you are allowd to distribute the font.. |
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14:33:37 | * | Crash91 thanks, ill check... |
14:33:41 | bobbo | Hi, im planning to put Rockbox on my new Sansa e280, how likely is it that i'll end up bricking the thing? |
14:33:48 | Crash91 | unlikely |
14:33:56 | Crash91 | =) i have a sansa too |
14:34:26 | bobbo | once i install Rockbox, if i dont like it can i go back to the original firmware? |
14:34:27 | DefineByte | not very likely |
14:34:38 | DefineByte | yes |
14:34:52 | bobbo | this gets better by the second :D |
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14:35:06 | Crash91 | its very simple |
14:35:06 | Crash91 | basically |
14:35:28 | Crash91 | you just replace the original sansa software with the rockbox loader |
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14:35:57 | Crash91 | the loader checks at startup if youre holding the |<< key, if so then it goes into the sansa FW |
14:36:05 | bobbo | so just make a backup of the original firmware files replace them with Rockbox's and im away? |
14:36:10 | Crash91 | otherwise it loads rockbox from an image on disk |
14:36:16 | Crash91 | not exactly |
14:36:29 | Crash91 | i advise you to read the manual on the rockbox page and also |
14:36:34 | Crash91 | youll have to do several things |
14:36:42 | DefineByte | the manual isn't very good in this area |
14:37:04 | darksaboteur | Is the H300 bootloader stable at the moment? |
14:37:13 | Crash91 | first, you need to obtain the mi4 version of the sansa firmware and decrypt it.....it sounds tricky but simple if you follow instructions.. |
14:37:14 | bobbo | ill give the manual a go and come back if i need any more help :D |
14:37:26 | Crash91 | sure ;) |
14:37:39 | Crash91 | btw: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 |
14:38:03 | Domonoky | bobbo: mybe try rbutil.. it wraps the install process in a nice gui :-) |
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14:38:29 | Crash91 | 20MB!! not very nice for people on 256k like me |
14:38:37 | bobbo | ty Domonoky, just read that bit in the manual, looks properly easy |
14:38:39 | Crash91 | its just easier for me to do it the old way |
14:38:46 | Crash91 | =) |
14:39:32 | BigBambi | Crash91: What is 20 mb? |
14:39:42 | Crash91 | BigBambi:rbutil |
14:39:50 | BigBambi | For which platform? |
14:40:14 | Crash91 | AFAIK, win32 and linux |
14:40:18 | BigBambi | It is 2.6 mb for Windows |
14:40:19 | Crash91 | not sure about OSX |
14:40:35 | BigBambi | OSX 7.8, linux 3.8 |
14:40:51 | Crash91 | =$ , well mustve got it wrong when i saw it.... |
14:41:01 | BigBambi | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
14:41:04 | Crash91 | i think that was armoredcavalry's RB isntaller |
14:41:10 | BigBambi | Whose? |
14:41:17 | Crash91 | Domonky:http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Backslash.htm |
14:41:20 | * | BigBambi detects unsupportedness |
14:41:24 | Crash91 | do you think i can put it on? |
14:41:31 | Crash91 | lol, true |
14:41:47 | bobbo | do i need to run rbutilqt as root? |
14:41:52 | BigBambi | What extra does it add that the official doesn't? |
14:42:01 | Domonoky | for bootloader installation yes.. |
14:42:15 | Domonoky | because the ipod/sanapatcher needs raw disc access.. |
14:42:47 | Crash91 | well i guess its just a hugely bloated installer...badly coded in something like VB |
14:43:14 | BigBambi | Anyway, it is unsupported |
14:43:26 | BigBambi | RockboxUtilityQT works excellently and is supported |
14:43:27 | Domonoky | Crash91: about the font... do you know the exact licenc ? |
14:43:31 | BigBambi | Why not use that? |
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14:43:51 | Crash91 | In cases, where there are no visible copyright notices, you need to assume that the file is copyrighted. |
14:44:06 | Crash91 | By downloading any material from our site or using them you agree that you have read and understood that the font or dingbat copyrights belongs to the designer of such product. |
14:44:07 | BigBambi | Domonoky: Download the font, the licence is in the archive |
14:44:20 | BigBambi | It is free for non-commercial use with some limitations |
14:44:45 | BigBambi | But I don't know how that meshes with us distributing it |
14:44:51 | Crash91 | This font is free for personal and/or non-commercial use. This means that I grant you the license to use it ALMOST as much as you like (see Limitations). |
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14:45:05 | Crash91 | the limitations prevent you from modifiying it... |
14:45:15 | Domonoky | now it only depends on the limitations.. :-) |
14:45:17 | Crash91 | thats mostly it |
14:45:20 | linuxstb | What about redistribution? |
14:45:29 | Crash91 | A. Reverse Engineering |
14:46:00 | Crash91 | linuxstb:You may give away single copies of the software as long as you don't modify this license or other files of the archive. |
14:46:01 | BigBambi | Secion s A and B look a little suss |
14:46:06 | bobbo | See this rockdoom.zip rbutilqt is downloading, that isnt Doom is it? |
14:46:16 | BigBambi | bobbo: Freedoom |
14:46:22 | Domonoky | bobbo: thats the freedom wads.. |
14:46:30 | bobbo | FreeDoom on an MP3 Player? |
14:46:32 | BigBambi | So yYep |
14:46:39 | Domonoky | :-) |
14:46:51 | bobbo | God Rockbox is awesome |
14:46:55 | BigBambi | We know :) |
14:46:59 | * | Crash91 sees bobbo's mouth watering |
14:47:05 | Tanuva | mpegplayer roxx... :D |
14:47:17 | Crash91 | rockbox PWNS |
14:47:19 | linuxstb | Crash91: That sounds pretty much like we can't convert it to Rockbox's font format and redistribute. |
14:47:27 | Crash91 | to put it in crude terms,,, |
14:47:28 | BigBambi | That's what I thought |
14:47:32 | Crash91 | linuzstb: =( |
14:47:36 | Crash91 | linux* |
14:47:46 | Bagder | no gsoc summitters showed up yet? |
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14:48:17 | Domonoky | on internet access on google.. *hehe* :-) |
14:48:18 | Crash91 | does that prevent me from converting it and uploading it to rockbox-themes with a theme i made? |
14:48:25 | linuxstb | Bagder: Obviously too busy with their new google friends... ;) |
14:48:27 | BigBambi | Crash91: I'd say so |
14:48:31 | Bagder | I guess ;-) |
14:48:34 | Crash91 | and what if i include the license file |
14:48:44 | BigBambi | The licence says the unmodified zip |
14:48:51 | Crash91 | oo |
14:49:06 | BigBambi | Converting the font to RB format is moifying to my mind |
14:49:13 | Crash91 | well if i do it....and put a disclaimer in the notes, something along the lines of |
14:49:14 | BigBambi | *modifying |
14:49:27 | Crash91 | THIS FONT IS ILLEGAL, you are responsible if you use it? |
14:49:29 | BigBambi | You can't circumvent a licence with a disclaimer |
14:49:32 | BigBambi | No |
14:49:41 | BigBambi | You are responsible for distributing it |
14:49:51 | Bagder | amiconn: you noticed the red, right? |
14:49:53 | Crash91 | aah well |
14:49:59 | amiconn | Bagder: yup |
14:50:02 | Crash91 | if only i could make .FNT files |
14:50:03 | linuxstb | Crash91: You're free to do whatever you want on your own website, but I doubt the admin of rockbox-themes.org will allow you to do it there. |
14:50:09 | amiconn | I am working on the solution |
14:50:12 | BigBambi | There is an e-mail address given - try e-mailing him |
14:50:14 | Bagder | just checking |
14:50:36 | Crash91 | ok, linuxstb, will do BigBambi |
14:51:16 | bobbo | Ok, i ran rbutilqt, installed everything am i good to just unmount and test it out? |
14:51:26 | BigBambi | bobbo: Go for it! |
14:51:46 | BigBambi | Did you install bootloader, build, fonts? |
14:51:51 | BigBambi | They are the essentials |
14:52:12 | Crash91 | bobbo: just out of curiosity, does your distro of linux say writing whenever you connect your sansa? even if there is no disk access? |
14:52:12 | BigBambi | Although you will want to add some themes, as the default is, well, interesting |
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14:52:21 | bobbo | yeah i did the main installation thing on the first page, definately installed a bootloader |
14:52:25 | BigBambi | Cool |
14:52:32 | Crash91 | BigBambi:no, horribly plain |
14:52:34 | Slasheri | Lear: hmm, so fdbind_cache runs out of space.. |
14:52:43 | BigBambi | Crash91: That's what I meant.... |
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14:53:14 | Crash91 | what player(s) do you own? |
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14:53:22 | BigBambi | Me? |
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14:53:35 | Crash91 | yes, and anyone else who would like to sharre |
14:53:38 | BigBambi | H140 and F60, with an S60 on the way |
14:53:51 | Crash91 | =) nice, sansa e250 here.... |
14:53:53 | Tanuva | iPod Photo... |
14:54:04 | bobbo | Sansa e280 |
14:54:20 | BigBambi | bobbo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200 - note some require patched or custom builds which are unsupported |
14:54:31 | Crash91 | bobbo: have you ever opened your sansa? =P |
14:54:44 | Crash91 | bobbo: also, http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 |
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14:54:54 | Lear | Slasheri: Yes, saw a logf dump where one of the dircache_update_ functions complained. After dircache init was complete, there were two cached updates for fd 0 and nvram.bin. |
14:55:47 | Lear | This can happen if you start playback while dircache is initializing, but I'm unsure about the exact circumstances. |
14:55:53 | bobbo | BigBambi: never opened my sansa, got the AquaGreen theme, everythings working perfectly so i dont think i need a patch |
14:55:59 | BigBambi | Cool |
14:56:25 | Crash91 | bobbo: i made the crash, escapePod,, HiPod Dark, ipod sansa, ipod vision, ipod vision OSX , and infally text themes |
14:56:25 | Bagder | the sansa is quite easy to open |
14:56:30 | Bagder | and close again ;-) |
14:56:39 | Slasheri | Lear: hmm, where can i find the logf dump? |
14:56:52 | Crash91 | i clean my screen quite often, dust+empty MicroSD slot=dirty screen |
14:57:29 | bobbo | i jsut got my sansa last Tuesday, not really done much to it yet, jsut been dumping songs on it and stuff |
14:57:29 | Crash91 | bobbo:i guess you would like a theme with a larg(ish) font? |
14:57:39 | Crash91 | heheh, |
14:57:46 | Lear | Slasheri: Here: http://pastebin.ca/727390 |
14:57:55 | Slasheri | Lear: thanks |
14:58:08 | bobbo | Crash91: im good with AquaGreen ;D |
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14:58:34 | * | Crash91 is about to release yet another theme (lol) and would like your opinion on it |
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15:02:16 | Crash91 | bobbo:http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9867/themegx7.jpg |
15:02:32 | Slasheri | Lear: interesting |
15:02:53 | Crash91 | made from scratch xD |
15:03:03 | * | BigBambi spots the suspect font |
15:03:23 | BigBambi | :) |
15:03:28 | Crash91 | well..its non commercial |
15:03:32 | Crash91 | ;) |
15:03:49 | bobbo | Rockbox's Doom is utterly awesom |
15:04:02 | bobbo | cant wait til school, i can just play that all day |
15:04:22 | Crash91 | what do you think i do in class??! |
15:04:29 | bobbo | :D |
15:04:38 | BigBambi | bobbo: You know there are gameboy and spectrum emulators too, as well as many plugin games? |
15:04:59 | bobbo | didnt know that :D |
15:04:59 | * | BigBambi doesn't use the games much, a dap is for music |
15:05:02 | Slasheri | Lear: yeah, there is a problem |
15:05:09 | bobbo | Are there plugins to view pictures aswell? |
15:05:13 | BigBambi | jpeg |
15:05:24 | BigBambi | Have a look at the fine manual, it tells you all |
15:05:32 | Slasheri | Lear: either close operation should block until dircache is built and the new filesize and startcluster needs to be cached as well |
15:05:42 | bobbo | GOd i love RockBox |
15:06:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
15:06:41 | * | Crash91 finsihed doom then brickmania, then bubbles, then got bored |
15:06:49 | Crash91 | lol |
15:06:59 | Lear | Slasheri: Block close wouldn't be very nice, as the nvram.bin file is updated a couple of times during boot, it seems. Looks like that from the sim at least. |
15:07:04 | Slasheri | Lear: i will check if it's possible to extend the caching |
15:07:27 | BigBambi | bobbo: The only downside is on newer portalplayer units battery life is down a bit owing to undocumented hardware. On other units, battery life is longer than the OF |
15:07:40 | Slasheri | probably a second cache for closed fds (with just startcluster and size) should do it |
15:08:50 | bobbo | BigBambi: I keep mine plugged in to charge whenever im not using it, not really that much of a problem unless im on a school trip or something |
15:09:01 | BigBambi | bobbo: No worries then |
15:10:17 | Crash91 | isnt it about 5-6 hours compared to 15hours in the OF? |
15:10:34 | BigBambi | Crash91: Most people report 10+ on Sansa |
15:10:38 | * | Crash91 wonders when USB will be enabled... |
15:10:44 | Crash91 | well i never tried =P |
15:10:45 | BigBambi | When someone writes it |
15:10:54 | BigBambi | It isn't a case of enabling it |
15:10:59 | Crash91 | i know |
15:11:07 | Crash91 | the stack driver? |
15:11:10 | BigBambi | It will be done when it is done |
15:11:19 | Crash91 | i read about the sending 0s thing lol |
15:14:05 | * | Bagder talked to Zagor about USB yday |
15:14:21 | Bagder | he intends to basically do it all over |
15:14:39 | Crash91 | hmm, well i wish i knew C |
15:14:49 | Bagder | and unfortunately, I think that's the only sane approach |
15:14:55 | BigBambi | Bagder: I hope Google will pay him :) |
15:15:01 | Crash91 | damn...... |
15:15:06 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do we know how close austriancoder is? Or are you basically not happy with the whole approach? (Zagor's mentioned his thoughts in IRC recently). |
15:15:28 | Bagder | his approach is basically copy and paste from linux |
15:15:41 | Bagder | and it doesn't work and is much more complicated that what we need/want |
15:16:03 | Crash91 | yeah....PC and sansa are completely diff platforms..... |
15:16:04 | linuxstb | But couldn't that be useful if we wanted to port more drivers from Linux? |
15:16:12 | Bagder | not really |
15:16:20 | BigBambi | Crash91: It isn't just Sansa |
15:16:33 | Bagder | the linux way is too flexible and structs with function pointers all over |
15:16:34 | Tanuva | what else would you want to port? |
15:17:02 | Bagder | the better approach is to focus on what we want/need and get that done, first |
15:17:04 | BigBambi | Tanuva: Depends on future platforms hardware capabilities |
15:17:06 | Crash91 | btw guys, any wild hope of RB on the iPod Touch/iPhone? |
15:17:13 | Bagder | Crash91: no |
15:17:20 | Crash91 | if that ever happened i would wet myself |
15:17:29 | BigBambi | Crash91: Search the forums, it has been asked to death |
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15:17:42 | Crash91 | =P |
15:18:03 | linuxstb | Bagder: I wouldn't argue - I've always found that Rockbox needs code written specifically for Rockbox in order to work well... |
15:18:31 | Bagder | yeah, I think we should get a working core first, then extend it when we need to |
15:18:46 | Bagder | rather than to build a complex infrastructure to start with |
15:18:47 | Crash91 | arent the iPod video and sansa both based on the same kinda architecture of PP chips? why not learn from the ipod... |
15:18:53 | BigBambi | It seems silly to overcomplicate for hypothetical future situations |
15:19:00 | BigBambi | Crash91: tHE I |
15:19:10 | BigBambi | The iPod doesn't have RB USB either |
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15:19:23 | Crash91 | i tought it did... |
15:19:28 | BigBambi | It doesn't |
15:19:31 | Crash91 | thought* |
15:19:35 | Crash91 | damn |
15:19:40 | BigBambi | It automatically reboots into Apple Disk Mode |
15:19:55 | linuxstb | Crash91: All the PP targets share code with each other - as soon as one of them gets a USB mode, they will all have it. |
15:20:25 | Crash91 | yep, exactly what i thought...thats why the c200 took only 2-3months to port |
15:20:51 | linuxstb | Bagder: So is Zagor intending to work on it? |
15:20:54 | Bagder | yes |
15:21:30 | linuxstb | It's good to see him back ;) |
15:21:45 | Bagder | yeah, finally we manage to lure him out from his cave |
15:21:47 | BigBambi | It is time for the master toteach the young padawans how to do it :) |
15:21:48 | Bagder | managed |
15:22:13 | * | Crash91 thought that Sandisk wanted to help out..... |
15:22:20 | BigBambi | Not really |
15:22:22 | Crash91 | they didnt help much did they |
15:22:24 | Bagder | Crash91: they don't |
15:22:26 | BigBambi | No |
15:22:29 | Crash91 | except for the chips... |
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15:22:45 | markun | Google was great! |
15:22:59 | Crash91 | they funded? |
15:23:04 | Bagder | markun: nice! |
15:23:18 | linuxstb | markun: Did you find your student? ;) |
15:23:20 | markun | we learned a lot about the things we could do better next time |
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15:23:29 | BigBambi | Crash91: 2 players isnot much |
15:23:34 | BigBambi | Crash91: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
15:23:38 | markun | linuxstb: yes, I'm staying at his house with scorche :) |
15:23:57 | linuxstb | markun: So what did you learn? |
15:25:32 | Crash91 | does/will rockbox support somethnig like MTP mode on the sansa |
15:25:54 | krazykit | Crash91, no, why would you want MTP? MSC is a better way of diong it |
15:26:02 | BigBambi | Why would we? |
15:26:02 | linuxstb | Crash91: It doesn't, and I doubt it ever will. |
15:26:20 | Bagder | MTP is just... silly |
15:26:25 | BigBambi | Lets make an open source firmware and tie it to WMP |
15:26:34 | krazykit | or libmpt |
15:26:37 | krazykit | mtp |
15:26:45 | Crash91 | well...does rockbox have to restart after transferring files like the OF? |
15:26:52 | linuxstb | No |
15:26:56 | Crash91 | ah |
15:27:00 | linuxstb | Why would it/ |
15:27:01 | linuxstb | ? |
15:27:07 | Tanuva | Crash91: but you might mave to update the database |
15:27:10 | Crash91 | database or something.... |
15:27:30 | BigBambi | I don't use the database |
15:27:33 | Crash91 | my biggest gripe with the sansa firmware is that it force updates it |
15:27:46 | BigBambi | But even if you do auto update will do it in the background |
15:28:29 | Tanuva | the only thing thats annoying about the db at the moment is that it cant sort tracks by id3-track or -cd number |
15:28:45 | markun | linuxstb: we'll talk about it when we get back I think |
15:28:45 | BigBambi | It will do it by track number fine |
15:28:59 | markun | it's really early now and we plan to visit SF in an hour |
15:29:17 | Tanuva | BigBambi: hu? in the wiki it says it can only sort by numbers preceding the file names |
15:29:25 | BigBambi | CustomConfig |
15:29:47 | BigBambi | Or maybe I am confusing filtering with sorting |
15:29:54 | BigBambi | One mo, I'll try and check |
15:30:23 | linuxstb | markun: Have fun ;) |
15:30:49 | markun | linuxstb: I even talked about you yesterday to the ffmpeg guys ;) |
15:31:11 | markun | the famous Dave Chapman :P |
15:31:49 | * | markun waves bye bye again |
15:32:52 | BigBambi | Tanuva: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase#Supported_Tags - you can use track number in formatting according to that |
15:32:52 | bobbo | How do you mount your Sansa with Rockbox on it in Linux (Ubuntu 7.04)? |
15:33:13 | BigBambi | bobbo: Rockbox on portalplayer dpesn't yet have a USB mode |
15:33:24 | BigBambi | You need to transfer using the OF until one is written |
15:33:32 | BigBambi | (work is ongoing) |
15:33:50 | * | scorche gets his turn at the computer |
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15:33:54 | bobbo | ah ok |
15:34:06 | bobbo | how do i load into the OF? |
15:34:15 | Tanuva | BigBambi: hm... okay, that I gotta play around with :) |
15:34:18 | BigBambi | scorche? We want Markun :) |
15:34:18 | amiconn | markun: SF == ? |
15:34:27 | BigBambi | San Francisco I guess |
15:34:37 | Bagder | or sourceforge... :-) |
15:34:41 | BigBambi | I liked SF, LA was a hole |
15:34:41 | amiconn | yeah |
15:34:43 | andrewg867 | bobbo: turn off the Sansa, then plug in the USB cable |
15:34:44 | BigBambi | heh |
15:34:51 | andrewg867 | should automatically boot the OF |
15:35:31 | andrewg867 | if not, turn off again then hold down the back button ( |<< ) while turning it on |
15:35:40 | scorche | BigBambi: boo |
15:35:50 | BigBambi | scorche: OK, you'll do :) |
15:35:54 | bobbo | i think i have bricked my OF, it jsut boots into a black screen |
15:36:00 | andrewg867 | wait for it to boot |
15:36:12 | andrewg867 | it's not as fast as Rockbox booting |
15:36:29 | Crash91 | dont worry it isnt bricked.. |
15:36:38 | Bagder | "bricked my OF" is a really strange term... |
15:36:41 | bobbo | it came up with some bootloader stuff then the bottom of the screen went black and moved up to the top of the screen |
15:36:49 | Crash91 | recovery is just a download away... |
15:36:58 | bobbo | Badger: im new to this stuff :D |
15:37:02 | Crash91 | ok did you put OF.bin in /SYSTEM ? |
15:37:03 | Bagder | :-) |
15:37:16 | bobbo | i used the sbutilqt thing |
15:37:31 | andrewg867 | I don't think you need to mess with the OF.bin with the new snasapatcher, right? |
15:37:35 | BigBambi | bobbo: There is a problem with the current sansapatcher |
15:37:38 | BigBambi | See http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12953.0 |
15:37:39 | Bagder | andrewg867: correct |
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15:37:54 | BigBambi | bobbo: That is, a potential problem for some people |
15:38:12 | andrewg867 | Bagder: I haven't been here in a while, not much free time to mess with my e260 :) |
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15:38:33 | andrewg867 | I can still remember when there was no sound support and I just used Rockbox to play games ;) |
15:38:33 | Bagder | the sansa install has become really easy and fancy since the OF.bin days |
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15:39:04 | andrewg867 | that and when you had to manually update the Rockbox bootloader with the mi4 file |
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15:39:29 | bobbo | so i uninstall RBox then install it manually using the manual method with the older sansapatcher? |
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15:39:59 | andrewg867 | is pastebin.ca working for anyone else? |
15:40:06 | andrewg867 | it's loading a blank page for me |
15:40:21 | linuxstb | andrewg867: Front page loads fine for me... |
15:40:32 | BigBambi | bobbo: I'm not entirely sure I'm afraid, I don't have a Sansa |
15:40:37 | darksaboteur | working here |
15:40:55 | andrewg867 | oh thats weird, I was using a proxy in CZ and it wouldn't load |
15:41:46 | Crash91 | bobbo:technically |
15:41:57 | andrewg867 | bobbo: install the standard firmware with recovery mode, then just run sansapatcher 0.2 and follow the instrucions on the screen |
15:42:25 | Crash91 | recovery mode= hold switch on and hold REC while booting |
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15:51:37 | bobbo | im in Recovery mode (at least i think i am, im back in the crap theme) how do i run Sansapatcher on it? |
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15:56:40 | andrewg867 | bobbo: you need to install the sandisk firmware before using snasapatcher |
15:56:56 | andrewg867 | *sansapatcher |
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15:58:26 | bobbo | so i overwrite everything currently on it with the old Sansapatcher stuff? |
15:58:54 | krazykit | no, no, no |
15:59:19 | krazykit | put this file in the 16mb partition that should come up: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 |
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16:13:22 | bobbo | krazykit: Where should this 16mb partiton come up? |
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16:18:03 | Crash91 | bobbo: did you out the hold switch and hold REC while booting your sansa? |
16:18:09 | Crash91 | pout* |
16:18:20 | Crash91 | omg>>PUT* |
16:19:09 | bobbo | put out = set it to hold? |
16:19:22 | Crash91 | yes set the hold switch |
16:19:37 | bobbo | ah got it |
16:19:46 | Crash91 | look, you siwthc it off, then flick HOLD, then press ON while holding the REc button on the side |
16:19:51 | Crash91 | kk good |
16:19:59 | Crash91 | now a 16mb thing should come up |
16:20:08 | Crash91 | PUT NOTHING BUT THE FILE IN THE LINK |
16:20:11 | bobbo | yeayh it has Version.txt in it |
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16:20:30 | Crash91 | DO NOT PUT ANY OTHER FILE EXCEPT PP5022.mi4 |
16:20:36 | Crash91 | or you risk bricking |
16:20:46 | Crash91 | just copy paste that file |
16:20:48 | bobbo | ok it already has Version.txt in it |
16:20:49 | Crash91 | then reboot |
16:20:51 | bobbo | problem? |
16:20:58 | Crash91 | thats ok |
16:21:09 | Crash91 | dont do anything to it |
16:21:09 | bobbo | cool |
16:21:21 | Crash91 | just put that file on |
16:21:36 | bobbo | fiel in, do i umount it then pull the plug and reboot? |
16:21:42 | Crash91 | yes |
16:22:30 | Crash91 | did it install new FW? |
16:22:49 | bobbo | now when i boot i get a black screen saying key LOCKEDSystem Shutdown |
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16:23:26 | mertd | can any one help me? can i upgrade 2gb ipod nano memory to 4gb or more? |
16:23:27 | bobbo | forgot to undo hold :D:D:D:D |
16:23:31 | Crash91 | oo yeah take off hold |
16:23:33 | Crash91 | lol |
16:24:02 | bobbo | woo thank god im in the original firmware |
16:24:02 | Tanuva | mertd: I dont think so, but Im not sure |
16:24:07 | Crash91 | mertd...goto apple unless you wanna risk soldering your ipod to a screwdriver |
16:24:22 | Crash91 | now sansapatcher .2 |
16:24:32 | Crash91 | i have it...ill upload for u |
16:24:43 | bobbo | i got it off the old downloads tree |
16:24:49 | Crash91 | kk |
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16:24:58 | Crash91 | lol i have the windows version anyway lol |
16:25:01 | bobbo | so i jsut run it against the mount point of the sansa |
16:25:09 | bobbo | *just, can spell today |
16:25:18 | Crash91 | yes |
16:25:19 | linuxstb | No, you just run it - it will detect the device |
16:25:21 | Crash91 | lol me neither |
16:25:34 | mertd | Crash91: i learned that nano has a flash memory therefore i thought that i could wipe out the old memory and replace it with anouther one? isnt it possible.. |
16:26:05 | Crash91 | mertd: you will have to desolder the chip then replace it...its not a cakewalk |
16:26:25 | Crash91 | and idk where youre gonna get a 4Gb chip... |
16:26:32 | mertd | ohhh.. i understand... how about 4gb ipod. is it the same with 2gb.. |
16:26:49 | Crash91 | look...just buy another ipod... |
16:26:49 | mertd | Crash91: yeess |
16:27:01 | Crash91 | its useless/stupid to upgrade the exsisting |
16:27:32 | linuxstb | mertd: Or buy something with upgradable storage, like the Sansas... |
16:27:49 | Crash91 | xD amen to that |
16:27:55 | mertd | linuxstb: is it easy to upgrade |
16:28:03 | linuxstb | It takes microSD cards |
16:28:30 | mertd | :)... oohh nice.. |
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16:28:55 | mertd | in addition to upgeade.. i wanna install rockbox.. |
16:29:05 | mertd | can i install rockbox on sansas |
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16:29:46 | linuxstb | mertd: We wouldn't be talking about them here if you couldn't. |
16:30:26 | mertd | ok.. i just didnt know |
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16:30:37 | mertd | ok.. which model of sansa do you prefer..? |
16:31:39 | linuxstb | I don't own any of them, but the e200 series are the best supported in Rockbox - the c200 series is a newer port. |
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16:31:56 | linuxstb | (and those are the only Sansas supported by Rockbox0 |
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16:33:20 | mertd | i just found e260.. does it cause any problem. because i found that rockbox only supper e200. |
16:35:52 | bobbo | Crash91: im back in my original firmware, run sansapatcher and installed its bootloader, do i do a manual install now? |
16:37:22 | andrewg867 | mertd: e200 means the whole e2x0 series |
16:37:23 | linuxstb | mertd: Rockbox supports the "e200 series" - anything with an e2x0 model name. |
16:39:50 | bobbo | Crash91 = god, i fixd it, thankyou soooooo much |
16:39:57 | bobbo | fixed* |
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16:41:22 | mertd | thank you for helping.. i'm going to try e260... bye.. |
16:41:33 | * | Crash91 is back |
16:41:48 | Crash91 | Nice to hear bobbo |
16:42:11 | Crash91 | enjoy rockbox, |
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16:47:23 | Jyard | I was unable to find any clear information on wether rockbox worked on 2nd gen nano? can anyone quickly conferm? |
16:47:53 | thegeek | does not work |
16:48:24 | Jyard | wouldn't happen to know if there is anything altern firmware that does? :D |
16:49:16 | darksaboteur | no as the encrytion has not been cracked |
16:50:01 | Jyard | ah i see, it will be eventually tho? |
16:50:17 | thegeek | not unless someone does it |
16:50:42 | Jyard | i see thank you |
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17:30:41 | bobbo | Is there a way to rename "Database" to "Music" in a Sansa e280? |
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17:34:08 | webguest65 | Hello there? |
17:34:12 | bobbo | Hello |
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17:35:14 | webguest65 | I own a sansa c250 and have a few questions, does anyone have a minute? |
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17:36:20 | bobbo | i might be able to help, just brand new to rockbox though.... |
17:36:23 | pixelma | just ask |
17:36:30 | advcomp2019 | webguest65, you can just say your questions :) |
17:36:49 | webguest65 | In the manual, in the install section, it is somewhat ambigious. It states that the rockbox boot loader replaces the sansa one. Does this mean that when I delete it, I will nolonger be able to boot? |
17:37:11 | bobbo | boot into the original firmware? |
17:37:30 | webguest65 | Yes, sort of as it was when I bought it. |
17:37:55 | bobbo | yes, when you turn it on your press the left button and it will boot the original |
17:38:23 | webguest65 | Um, I mean, when I delete the rockbox bootloader, does it leave the sansa bootloader intact? |
17:40:33 | webguest65 | It stated it "directly replaces the original bootloader" in the manual. |
17:40:45 | pixelma | you can't just delete the bootloader - but you can exchange it back so to speak |
17:41:00 | webguest65 | Could you please explain? |
17:42:09 | bobbo | i think i did it earlier when i used the wrong bootloader, you reboot in recovery mode and put the original bootloader back in, simple as that (i think) |
17:42:28 | webguest65 | How would one accomplish that? |
17:42:55 | bobbo | boot into Recovery Mode? Which player do you have? |
17:43:27 | webguest65 | Sansa c250, and I really mean, how would I restore the original bootloader? |
17:43:48 | bobbo | you either back it up or download it from somewhere else |
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17:44:26 | webguest65 | Soory ofr my ignorance, but how would I back it up? |
17:44:46 | pixelma | hmm... you need the bootloader which in turn will load the firmware. If you want to use Rockbox you need a new one (the Rockbox bootloader) which let's you either use the original firmware or Rockbox. If you want to go back to the original state you can uninstall the Rockbox bootloader (with the same tool) and you'll get the Sansa bootloader again |
17:45:18 | webguest65 | Thankyou for clearing that up. I appreciate it. |
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18:29:09 | pixelma | n1s: do I remember correctly that we agreed on "'Long' ButtonX" rather than "'Hold' ButtonX" in the manuals (especially button tables)? |
18:29:28 | n1s | yup |
18:31:13 | pixelma | thanks, that needs some more cleaning up then. Will try to look into it. |
18:31:32 | n1s | yeah, it's pretty inconsistent |
18:31:45 | n1s | lots need to be done for the manual... |
18:32:53 | pixelma | yeah, I got some "these things needs overhauling" too... |
18:35:13 | * | amiconn is currently working on code consistency too... |
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18:41:06 | n1s | that's another mess :-) |
18:41:12 | n1s | in some places |
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19:32:02 | NeMetS_666 | Hi 2 All |
19:32:06 | NeMetS_666 | I back) |
19:32:39 | NeMetS_666 | i have one question |
19:33:40 | NeMetS_666 | Can I enible bootrun(OS) from X-5? |
19:34:34 | Soap | I am in Ohio, and very willing to ship to any interested developer, at my expense, a Nano which is exhibiting the problems with recent builds. |
19:35:17 | NeMetS_666 | when I connect Player with PC on boot, X-5 write - not connect. But some time I run OS from X-5... |
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20:17:52 | spiorf | hi, today a very strange thing happened |
20:18:02 | spiorf | using rockbox on an ipod nano |
20:18:25 | Ave | and? |
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20:18:43 | spiorf | almost everything was making rockbox crash: playing, plugins and so |
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20:18:45 | Ave | if you get garbles and data aborts, thats no strange thing, |
20:18:55 | spiorf | Ave, i got garbage files |
20:18:57 | Ave | strange would be if the problems suddendly disappeared |
20:18:59 | spiorf | with strange names |
20:19:06 | Ave | ooh broken filesystem? |
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20:19:17 | spiorf | like nvr@m.bin |
20:19:27 | Klevi | lmao... I was just looking for pixelma.. |
20:19:29 | Ave | I recall seeing that in flyspray |
20:19:32 | spiorf | d`t`basa_tmp.tcd |
20:20:03 | spiorf | Ave, by the way, the strange thing was that after 4 or 5 reboots |
20:20:09 | spiorf | the problems were gone |
20:20:14 | spiorf | and everything was ok again |
20:20:18 | Ave | wow |
20:20:25 | Ave | weird indeed |
20:20:48 | spiorf | then i played a tv serie episode on mpegplayer without problems |
20:20:58 | Klevi | Any idea why the radio function would make the sansac200 crash? |
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20:22:08 | Lars_G | Say, the linux users here, what do you code for rockbox in? |
20:22:17 | Lars_G | I've found problems so far both with ffmpeg and vlc |
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20:24:38 | Domonoky | bluebrother: there are indeed problems with rbutil and jaws as screenreader... the tabs arent spoken for example.. and i didnt found a solution, setting accessibleName and descitption didnt help.. |
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20:36:38 | muesli- | davina r u there? |
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20:43:21 | psycho_maniac | for some reason i cannot download the rockbox source or it takes forever to download the files. even though it shouldnt |
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20:57:29 | DefineByte | 'Apple bootloader' or 'Ipod bootloader' (or somwthing else) in the manual? Anyone have an opinion? |
20:58:17 | DefineByte | Rockbox also provides an 'iPod bootloader' so I'm not sure about referring to the original as such. |
20:59:38 | Domonoky | how about "original bootloader" ? |
20:59:51 | Tanuva | which page? |
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21:00:08 | DefineByte | installation |
21:00:09 | * | linuxstb has already voted for Apple |
21:00:16 | DefineByte | :) |
21:01:00 | DefineByte | 'original bootloader' is certainly one to consider. |
21:01:12 | DefineByte | I'm not sure though |
21:01:20 | spiorf | "apple" bootloader is also explicative |
21:01:29 | linuxstb | It would make it easier in the manual - same phrase for every target... |
21:01:29 | spiorf | is not rockbox's one |
21:01:33 | spiorf | is apple's one |
21:02:11 | DefineByte | Does every target use the original bootloader in some way? |
21:02:48 | linuxstb | No, not every target. |
21:02:58 | Tanuva | maybe basic bootloader? |
21:03:07 | DefineByte | don't think so |
21:03:27 | DefineByte | basic doesn't tell you anything |
21:03:53 | bobbo | Is there a plugin for Rockbox that can play XviD/DivX Avi's? |
21:04:07 | DefineByte | heh, no |
21:04:13 | BigBambi | bobbo: No, convert it to MPEG |
21:04:17 | BigBambi | As per the wiki page |
21:04:24 | bobbo | thanks |
21:04:43 | Tanuva | thought it could fit in because its the first bootloader to load the rockbox/apple one.. |
21:04:50 | * | BigBambi votes Apple |
21:06:30 | DefineByte | I really don't know. Bluebrother is one of the manual guys right? |
21:06:35 | BigBambi | yep |
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21:07:05 | DefineByte | Maybe he has an opinion on it (hell, maybe he decided on 'Ipod bootloader') |
21:08:10 | linuxstb | I think the problem is that the "playerman" macro is defined to be "ipod" and not "Apple". |
21:08:24 | DefineByte | yes, i thought that was strange |
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21:08:54 | linuxstb | You would need to check where else that macro is used to see if it makes sense to just change it to "Apple". |
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21:09:24 | DefineByte | you probably need playerman (manufacturer) and playerfam (family) macros |
21:11:45 | DefineByte | i don't think Archos targets have families though. They all have different names don't they? Hmm, I don't know |
21:12:12 | DefineByte | hmm maybe they do |
21:12:15 | DefineByte | xD |
21:13:10 | DefineByte | my brain is frazzled apparently |
21:13:16 | Tanuva | or the playerfam is simply null if playerman is archos? but I dont know how that works exactly :) |
21:13:28 | DefineByte | we liking 'Apple' then? |
21:13:46 | Tanuva | me, at least |
21:14:54 | DefineByte | it would be playerman = archos playerfam = ondio playermod (model) = SP, or something |
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21:15:42 | DefineByte | I'm not sure if that would actually help with anything much though x) |
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21:18:03 | * | ender` yawns |
21:19:24 | DefineByte | The Rockbox bootloader is loaded from disk by the \playerman{} bootloader. It is responsible for loading the Rockbox firmware and for providing the dual boot function. It takes the place of the \playerman{} firmware in the \daps{} boot sequence. |
21:19:27 | DefineByte | oops |
21:19:35 | DefineByte | didn't mean to post that x) |
21:19:56 | DefineByte | does it make sense though (might as well take advantage) |
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21:20:33 | linuxstb | DefineByte: Sounds clear to me. |
21:21:04 | DefineByte | What about 'boot sequence'? Does that mean anything to most people? |
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21:23:04 | linuxstb | I think people know the word "boot" - it's a technical term, but most people know what "reboot" means... |
21:23:25 | DefineByte | yeah, probably right |
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21:23:43 | DefineByte | it just seems a lot of the installation section is jargon. |
21:25:00 | DefineByte | I'm not sure if that's the best idea. Do users really need to know about the 'Apple bootloader, 'Rockbox bootloader' etc. etc. especially with rbutil available |
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21:25:23 | DefineByte | maybe they do. I don't know |
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21:25:58 | DefineByte | Even if they do, does it need to be in the 'installatiion' section? |
21:27:56 | linuxstb | It's background information - people can read if it they want, but shouldn't need to. |
21:28:38 | linuxstb | But yes, as the installation is getting more and more automatic, maybe it could be argued that it can be removed. |
21:28:42 | DefineByte | It seems to me it could be moved to 'advanced topics' or something |
21:29:23 | DefineByte | maybe it shouldn't be moved yet. Maybe wait till rbutil is _the_ installation method |
21:29:46 | Nico_P | any news from the GSoC mentor summit ? |
21:30:12 | linuxstb | Nico_P: markun popped in briefly earlier today - search for his name in the logs |
21:30:20 | Nico_P | ok |
21:33:28 | Nico_P | hmm yeah it was brief :) |
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21:42:09 | psycho_maniac | anybody have problems downloading the whole srouce from svn lately? |
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21:43:34 | parafin | oh, that fact even mentioned in man rsync, shame on me |
21:43:49 | parafin | oops |
21:43:54 | parafin | wrong channel |
21:46:38 | DefineByte | wow. someone else asking on the forums about things to change to improve battery life. How many of those a day get posted? x) |
21:46:54 | psycho_maniac | is there a way to patch the source from a different location? patch -px < C:\name.patch ? |
21:48:42 | psycho_maniac | what i mean is. would that work? |
21:49:00 | Nico_P | why don't you just try ? |
21:49:10 | psycho_maniac | because my source is still downloading |
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21:54:56 | Soap | psycho_maniac, can't speak directly to the cgywin mechanics of it, but I keep all my patches in a \patches subdirectoy of my home directory and "patch -p0 < ../patches/patchname.diff" all the time. |
21:56:01 | DefineByte | that works fine in cygwin |
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21:58:57 | DefineByte | I'm getting '>' showing up as a questionmark. It doesn't have to be escaped does it? |
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22:00:39 | Soap | I also rename all my patches by prefixing them with the FS#, so tab completion is easier (for me). ie: iPOD_wheel_acceleration_v13.patch becomes 7738-iPOD_wheel_acceleration_v13.patch. |
22:01:42 | Soap | and my patches I do a "aaaa-patchname.diff", "bbbb-patchname.diff" etc. Saves my tired brain from having to remember which version is current. |
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22:02:10 | psycho_maniac | thank you soap. |
22:03:25 | psycho_maniac | lately iv only been using one patch so i dont need a patch directory yet. |
22:03:57 | psycho_maniac | i have* |
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22:09:07 | DefineByte | Seems I can't write 'File > Configure' (Direction on how to get to the configuration dialog in rbutil) with latex. Any idea of what else I could do? |
22:10:42 | rasher | DefineByte: surely something similar is written elsewhere in the manual? |
22:11:34 | DefineByte | oops, yes. I'm obviously slow |
22:12:31 | DefineByte | {\textgreater}. 8) |
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22:17:00 | Isolinear | Is 7738 getting committed any time soon? :) |
22:21:15 | Soap | What was the appearance of your face before your ancestors were born? |
22:22:39 | Isolinear | It bore a strong resemblence to a tongue-face emoticon... Yours? |
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22:36:32 | Lars_G | You gusy rock. never cease |
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22:37:52 | n1s | DefineByte: \rightarrow is used in afew places |
22:38:46 | DefineByte | hmm, okay. Might be the one to go for then. Thanks. :) |
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22:44:38 | amiconn | jhMikeS: "#elif 0" ?? |
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22:49:09 | rasher | amiconn: have you tried the old infrared thermometer trick with the ipods? |
22:49:34 | amiconn | Nope, because it won't help |
22:49:44 | rasher | Figure it'll just be the main chip? |
22:50:06 | DefineByte | \rightarrow seems to have some quite strange side effects |
22:50:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: just keeping that one there for messing around until all get converted |
22:50:12 | amiconn | The PP is an SoC, in the H300 the battery drainer was a separate chip |
22:50:13 | rasher | (I don't really remember how the ipod guts look) |
22:50:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Ah ok. A comment would have been helpful imho |
22:51:12 | rasher | DefineByte: seems you should use $\rightarrow$ |
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22:51:37 | DefineByte | that would explain it x) |
22:51:41 | DefineByte | thanks |
22:51:56 | n1s | DefineByte: ah, right, didn't remember that |
22:52:12 | rasher | amiconn: yeah, that's what I meant.. I guess I just figured on the off-chance that the problem was outside the pp chip |
22:52:18 | DefineByte | no harm no foul :) |
22:52:22 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It's probably just going to be a setup like e200, one like H10, and one for PP5002. e200 may in fact just be able to use the same FIFO format as H10 since it didn't show any change for values 4-7. |
22:52:41 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Different Q - in the assembler yuv routine, you used up to r12. Iirc I could use r13 too? |
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22:54:08 | jhMikeS | which is that one now? r13=sp, r14=lr, r15=pc |
22:54:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: If you have something for the 5002, I'll happily test on 1st/2nd gen... |
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22:54:30 | amiconn | Ooops, forgot sp... |
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22:55:01 | jhMikeS | amiconn: No way. I'l need the device to find that stuff out. No ideas at all atm for that. |
22:55:05 | amiconn | Meh, for the color bridge and ipod video, the function will look different anyway |
22:55:30 | jhMikeS | Trying to keep it unified as much as possible? |
22:55:51 | amiconn | (not possible to output double-lines like for memory-mapped and c200) |
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22:56:31 | jhMikeS | Might be worth saving chromas to a line buffer then? |
22:57:14 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps it will be possible to do it for the color bridge - it just feeds an ordinary lcd controller after all. If that allows to set the update direction and frame, it will be possible |
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22:57:38 | * | amiconn should port the double-line method to X5 and H300 |
22:58:19 | amiconn | And we need the darn asm idct plus iram opts... |
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22:58:59 | amiconn | The question is what needs more cpu - saving the chroma or recalculating it |
22:59:10 | jhMikeS | how do you do double-line on x5 and h300? |
22:59:19 | amiconn | Same way as on c200 |
22:59:41 | amiconn | Set the update direction in the controller to vertical, and the update window height to 2 pixels |
22:59:42 | jhMikeS | on ARM, recalculating is definetely more expensive than loading cached data |
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23:00:50 | jhMikeS | ah, yes. but then you have to change the window every two lines. isn't that sort of costly? |
23:01:00 | amiconn | nah |
23:01:12 | amiconn | Just 2 lcd commands |
23:01:32 | amiconn | That's still less than all the data writes |
23:02:03 | amiconn | In fact it might be just one command, depending on how the controller works |
23:02:31 | jhMikeS | hmmm...probably pretty cheap then |
23:02:45 | amiconn | Check out my last commit (yuv for c200) - it already implements the idea |
23:03:14 | amiconn | The calculation code is heavily borrowed from your e200/gigabeat implementation, just some registers changed |
23:03:24 | amiconn | ...and the actual write is different |
23:03:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: What FPS are you getting on the c200 in mpegplayer? |
23:03:54 | amiconn | No skips with elephants dream |
23:04:07 | linuxstb | So the full 24fps? |
23:04:09 | jhMikeS | the double line method has good cache coherency and is really good for dither |
23:04:13 | amiconn | (using the widescreen version originally made for ipod mini) |
23:05:02 | amiconn | 144x80, height is perfect match and width is the smallest that covers the lcd width |
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23:18:52 | ClausterphobicGu | How do I put FLAC files on my iPod with Rockbox? |
23:19:10 | petur | drag and drop |
23:19:21 | ClausterphobicGu | Where? To iTunes? |
23:19:35 | n1s | to the ipod |
23:19:51 | ClausterphobicGu | Okay... So is there an app for it? |
23:19:51 | linuxstb | To anywhere on the disk - most people create a top-level folder called "Music" and put their music in a sensible folder structure in there. |
23:20:06 | ClausterphobicGu | Okay |
23:20:07 | linuxstb | Windows Explorer... |
23:20:30 | ClausterphobicGu | Cause iTunes makes really weird names for the music in these folders labelled 01 and stuff with names like HSUE |
23:20:36 | ClausterphobicGu | Thanks |
23:20:54 | ClausterphobicGu | And for games I created a directory called Gameboy and I put the stuff in there |
23:21:02 | ClausterphobicGu | I can access and play it right? |
23:21:18 | ClausterphobicGu | Oh, and are there other games I can put on it... |
23:21:21 | linuxstb | Yes, via the "Files" menu. |
23:21:26 | ClausterphobicGu | Sorry, I'm brand new to Rockbox |
23:21:35 | linuxstb | We have a fine manual... |
23:22:35 | bluebrother | Domonoky: well, I thought about adding a menu which resembles the tabs items anyway. |
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23:23:06 | SuperThing_ | I had to change my name, but is there a way to make the Apple Firmware default? |
23:23:10 | SuperThing_ | Over rockbox? |
23:23:26 | bluebrother | SuperThing_: no, and it's not intended to do this |
23:23:34 | Domonoky | bluebrother: sounds good.. at least if we cant manage to get the accessibility working correctly.. |
23:23:40 | bluebrother | if you boot AppleOS you need to reset the player to get back to Rockbox anyway. |
23:24:12 | SuperThing_ | Okay... I just wanted to access the videos faster, but either way I'll find my way around |
23:24:18 | SuperThing_ | Thanks big time |
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23:24:34 | bluebrother | just flip the hold switch after powering on ... |
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23:25:08 | SuperThing_ | Yeah, I googled around and found out how to do that... I love rockbox, but I hate the no video playing functionality |
23:25:25 | SuperThing_ | Thanks bluebrother |
23:25:30 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I think this would also make it easier to assign accelerator keys −− like the F buttons |
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23:28:51 | Domonoky | bluebrother: if you have it in the dropdown menüs its easy accessible via key sequences.. |
23:29:09 | bluebrother | yep :) |
23:29:22 | webguest03 | Any ports to the sansa m200 series? I found it on the webpage, just wondering about the current status of that port. |
23:29:45 | bluebrother | webguest03: no. |
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23:30:11 | webguest03 | Will there ever be? Is that project dead? |
23:30:19 | bluebrother | what project? |
23:30:28 | webguest03 | The m200 port |
23:30:39 | Bagder | it was never alive |
23:31:06 | bluebrother | has there been a port to the m200 at all? I never noticed. |
23:31:14 | Bagder | no, it hasn't |
23:31:20 | webguest03 | Then what was the info doing on the webpage when I looked it up? |
23:31:25 | Bagder | there is some basic info gathered about it, that's all |
23:31:31 | webguest03 | Ah, I see. |
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23:32:05 | Bagder | we do that on all sorts of players. That doesn't mean a port effort takes off for real |
23:32:47 | webguest03 | I had an idea, but it is not working. I wanted to run linux on my c250, using the GameBoy port and running it in the rockbox emulator. The image does not show up in the file browser. It is a .bin image. Am I doing anything wrong? |
23:33:09 | Bagder | linux on your c250? |
23:33:15 | webguest03 | yeah. |
23:33:42 | Bagder | you mean you use it as a disk to hold your linux installation for a PC? |
23:34:18 | webguest03 | Nope, there is a GBA ROM image on the net. I thought that it could be run inside the rockbox gameboy emulator on the c250. |
23:34:33 | Bagder | there is no linux for the c250 |
23:34:40 | rasher | Rockboy doesn't run gba roms |
23:34:46 | Bagder | there is a rockbox gameboy emulator though |
23:35:11 | webguest03 | got to go. |
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23:37:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: Around 30fps with skip frames and limit fps disabled |
23:38:31 | linuxstb | That's nice. |
23:38:44 | linuxstb | And your commit said there is still more optimisation potential? |
23:39:06 | amiconn | There's not much more to gain. A bit would be gained by moving the output of the second byte a bit back, around halfway towards the next pair |
23:39:57 | amiconn | This way the time waiting for the bridge to be ready would be used too. Atm that's only done for the first byte of each pixel |
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23:40:58 | amiconn | If that can be done within registers, the good thing would be that dithering wiuld come for free |
23:41:03 | amiconn | *would |
23:43:12 | Klevi | Weird Happening: Rockbox randomly decided to not pickup any files on my Sansa C200 and even after re-doing the database, and or rebooting, it wouldnt pickup the presence of any files until I re-cut and paste Rockbox |
23:43:44 | bluebrother | re-cut and paste Rockbox? |
23:44:03 | Klevi | Yeah, I have the old version's zip file on my laptop |
23:44:12 | Klevi | Before radio, was implemented |
23:44:31 | bluebrother | well, that's not "re-cut and paste", that's downgrading ... |
23:44:49 | Klevi | I cant use the new versions.. I havent been |
23:45:01 | Klevi | In my eyes, there no difference. lol |
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23:45:47 | bluebrother | so you have enabled dircache and auto-update of the database? |
23:45:56 | advcomp2019 | it sound like the same issue that i have with m4a's not letting the database rebuild right |
23:46:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: It may be that moving the output of the 2nd byte doesn't help - if the bridge is so slow that the complete calculation is already covered by the 1st wait |
23:47:12 | pixelma | bluebrother: dircache isn't enabled on the sansas |
23:47:13 | amiconn | ...and that might very well be the case |
23:47:24 | bluebrother | oh ... |
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23:48:19 | Zagor | barrywardell: here? |
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23:53:36 | rasher | Gah, can't quite figure out the button queue.. I simply want a "wait for the user to press a button" function, but that seems harder than it should |
23:53:55 | rasher | Especially if I call it twice, there seems to be left-overs in the queue |
23:54:53 | bluebrother | still nobody posted the USB ID for the x5v :( |
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23:55:24 | barrywardell | Zagor: yes |
23:56:17 | Zagor | barrywardell: did you every wrap your head around the QH and TDs in the ARC usb module? the docs says only bits 12-31 of the pointer buffers are valid?! |
23:56:43 | Zagor | yet the freescale-authored linux driver seems to ignore that |
23:56:58 | barrywardell | what page of the docs? |
23:57:24 | Zagor | 1392 of the pdf, 32-196 on the page |
23:58:47 | Zagor | if true, that would mean zero-copy is impossible. which seems like a stupid design. |