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#rockbox log for 2007-10-10

00:08:19preglowwoopwoop
00:09:03 Nick _pill is now known as pill (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net)
00:09:19lazkaLinux 2.6.23 out now :)
00:10:37 Join annulus [0] (n=ap@h214n2fls31o286.telia.com)
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00:13:16 Quit alienbiker99 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )")
00:13:31x3roHi... I've got a big problem with mpegplayer would someone be so kind to help me? =)
00:14:47x3roI just installed rockbox and I cant get videos to work... the ipod always hangs up itself when loading
00:15:19Lloreanx3ro: What process did you use to convert them?
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00:17:57x3roI tried it using WinFF
00:18:14x3roand the presents.xml from the manual
00:19:00 Join Reno [0] (i=4c10ea95@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3d890b9dacab0600)
00:19:24LloreanAnd the mpeg file you got from it plays on your computer? What SVN revision is your Rockbox build?
00:21:10x3roYes it does on vlc player... I downloaded that one -> http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip an hour ago^^
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00:22:35k0shyxhi i have a question
00:22:46k0shyxv
00:23:07*n1s looks for chrystal ball
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00:23:37k0shyxhello?
00:23:56n1snope didn't find it, you better just ask your question then...
00:24:18k0shyxk does rockbox support audiobooks?
00:24:34k0shyxespecially for ipod 5.5 gen
00:24:48n1sif they are encoded in one of the many formats rockbox supports then yes
00:24:58n1sor what do you mean by "support"
00:25:08k0shyxlike in the apple firmware
00:25:14k0shyxthere is a section titled audiobooks
00:25:20k0shyxand they're all organized and stuff
00:25:26k0shyxlike that, can rockbox do that?
00:25:35n1sI have never used the apple firmware but you could put them in their own folder
00:25:52k0shyxoh the music is sorted in folders?
00:25:57n1sor probably create some custom view for the database but I never messed with that stuff
00:26:21n1sk0shyx: you can browse by metadata too, that's what we call the database
00:26:35k0shyxoh really? i didnt knwo that
00:26:43k0shyxsee i'm new to rockbox and i'm thinking of installing it
00:27:08n1sk0shyx: if you don't like it you can just uninstall it again
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00:27:46k0shyxk cool, but i think i'll like it based on what i've read on the rockbox site and on the forums
00:28:01k0shyxthanks for your help n1s
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00:28:10n1si recomend reading a bit in the manual too
00:28:47k0shyxk will do, thanks
00:29:19scorche|wack...cant put the themes site out tonight...couple days ;)
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00:32:15RenoHi i was here about 2 days ago i was talking with someone called TMM i think. I told the person i would help him get the new ipod classic data sheets, i just want to know if hes here?
00:32:18Reno:)
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00:33:20Zagorif you have informative data, we are many interested
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00:34:18preglowTMM: ping
00:34:25Renooh well i just wanted to let him know that i already told my friend about it (He works for apple) and he will try to get them for you guys!
00:34:27preglowReno: good luck on that, btw
00:34:32TMMReno: here!
00:34:39Renohi!
00:34:41Reno:)
00:34:47TMMReno: well, good luck with that :)
00:34:58preglowif you actually manage to get your hands on those, i'll send you a fruit basket
00:35:00scorche|wvery very good luck with that :)
00:35:12Renohe said he'll call me back on saturday.
00:35:23Zagorwatch out for black helicopters ;)
00:35:26TMMReno: I'll send you a crate of beer, if you're in europe :)
00:35:26rasherI guess if enough people within all companies involved start asking for this, it might happen
00:35:26Renolike 7 days
00:35:37rasherOne guy asking for docs probably won't help much
00:35:43preglowi hope you'll excuse me for saying so, but i'm afraid i'm not overly optimistic :)
00:35:55Renoits cool
00:35:59scorche|wrasher: here is hoping he doesnt ask ;)
00:36:08Renohe'll try though! :)
00:36:13preglowwhich is good
00:36:17Renowho knows he might get them!
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00:36:27scorche|wif he doesnt ask, he might :)
00:36:55TMMscorche|w: O dear, you mean... 'leak'?
00:37:01scorche|w"it is easier to apologize than ask for permission..."
00:37:33TMM"I thought it'd be alright"
00:37:36Renooh i got a question i just downloaded a GIF viewer from this site i want to know ho i can install it? can anyone help?
00:37:39Renoplease?
00:37:53scorche|w"this site"?
00:38:07Renoyeah rockbox.
00:38:17TMMapple goon: "Did you read your contract, it says:'On penalty of castration, you shall not leak any data sheets'"
00:38:21scorche|wwhere did you get it?
00:38:24Renofrom tracker/patches.
00:38:34TMMapple goon: "in 25pt comic sans serif"
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00:39:00scorche|wReno: then you got a patch...not the viewer itself
00:39:03cheesemonkeyhello
00:39:10scorche|wsee the SimpleGuideToCompiling wikipage
00:39:11rasherTMM: comic sans ms. I should hope there's not a serif version of that font
00:39:20cheesemonkeyhello?
00:39:50TMMrasher: "For that classy touch"
00:40:04Renowhere can i get the viewer?
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00:40:29scorche|wReno: you have to compile it....see the page i linked you
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00:41:55[IDC]Dragonhello Rockbox world
00:42:09preglowwhy, hello
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00:42:54*[IDC]Dragon is currently in silicon valley, therefore that late GMT
00:42:56Renoum...where's the link?
00:43:01Renosorry?
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00:43:25scorche|w[IDC]Dragon: how long have you been?....3 of us were there last weekend
00:43:38scorche|wReno: it wasnt a link...it was the name if a wiki page
00:43:39[IDC]Dragonoops
00:43:42scorche|wof
00:43:50[IDC]DragonI've been here last weekend, too
00:43:54scorche|wbah!
00:44:01*scorche|w kicks [IDC]Dragon
00:44:08[IDC]Dragonouch
00:44:39[IDC]Dragonwhy have you been here, and why not any more?
00:44:44Renook thank you! i have to go now i'll be back and i'll try to get those sheets asap, thanks! :)
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00:44:50pixelma[IDC]Dragon: and you didn't recognise them in their Rockbox shirts? ;)
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00:44:57[IDC]Dragonhaha
00:45:11*[IDC]Dragon is interested in Apple datasheets, too
00:45:17scorche|w[IDC]Dragon: google mentor summit...we were over in mountain view partying at google...then went to san fran sunday
00:45:34[IDC]DragonI'm considering a new player hardware, actually
00:45:42Renoyeah i'll be back and i'll try to get them bye! :)
00:45:53[IDC]Dragonand where's the crowd now?
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00:46:20scorche|wback home except for markun, who should be leaving tomorrow for new york
00:46:56[IDC]Dragonthis is really a pity, I had a rather boring weekend here, we could very well have met
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00:47:20scorche|wbah...i wish i would have known...there is a good chance you could have come to google with us...at the very least, got drunk with us at the hotel (and eaten pizza paid for by google)
00:47:31[IDC]Dragonhave you been at the fleet week?
00:48:05scorche|wyeah...we didnt know about it, but just happened to go to san fran and see jets flying above our heads :)
00:49:08[IDC]DragonI avoided SF, thought it would bee to crowded then
00:49:14[IDC]Dragontoo
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00:50:13scorche|wit wasnt bad...but it is a shame that we missed you
00:50:24[IDC]Dragonsigh
00:51:36 Quit ender` (" I went to a restaurant that serves "breakfast at any time." So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.")
00:51:54*[IDC]Dragon just remembers that he coudn't have joined, left his Rockbox t-shirt at home
00:52:07scorche|wkkurbjun didnt have one either
00:53:28[IDC]Dragonback to my hardware considerations, is there a current trend? Shoud I get a Sansa E280 or bet on Apple classic/nano 3g hardware?
00:54:04scorche|wsansa...not likely that rockbox will be on the new ipods
00:54:19[IDC]DragonI considered getting a nano 3g, not for Rockbox, just for a nice player
00:54:42[IDC]Dragonbut then I realised what a prison Apple has built wit itunes
00:55:14scorche|wnot rockbox?...for shame
00:55:28[IDC]Dragonmy collection is not well tagged, itunes would make a mess from it
00:55:50preglowit would
00:55:53preglowitunes sucks so badly
00:56:00n1s[IDC]Dragon: the gigabeat S port is in its initial stages, code is running on the target
00:56:15preglowe280 is the better bet, i sincerely doubt we'll have support for the newer ipods anytime soon, if ever
00:56:20*[IDC]Dragon googles what that looks like
00:56:48preglowit's also almost impossible to buy new, and is even rare to find used
00:57:02n1sbut yeah if you want a player that's usable (with rockbox) a sansa is a better bet
00:57:17n1sI mean usable _now_
00:57:24*n1s should go to bed
00:57:33pixelmaif you go flash player I'd prefer the Sansa anyways - more flexible with the microSD slot but then the Nano probably has the nicer display
00:58:01*scorche|w leaves for home
00:58:04preglow[IDC]Dragon: all software is encrypted, data sheets are secret, and chips are glued to the main board, really friendly development platform :/ (new ipods)
00:58:23[IDC]DragonI think I prefer flash, since the HD models are more heavy and the disks too small anyway
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00:58:36preglow[IDC]Dragon: 160 gigs is too small? :P
00:58:39SoapNot that iTunes is required, but...
00:58:45[IDC]Dragonyes, I saw an ipod dissection
00:59:07[IDC]Dragononly apple features 160 GB, right?
00:59:17preglowyeap
00:59:24[IDC]Dragon(my Archos has 160 GB)
00:59:52signutsIs an ARchos OS?
01:00
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01:00:07[IDC]Dragon?
01:00:09signutsOpen Specs I should say
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01:00:44[IDC]Dragonthe Archos is the where Rockbox emerged from
01:01:22[IDC]Dragonand yes, it is built from standard chips, with all datasheets available
01:01:50[IDC]Dragonand weights nearly a pound...
01:02:00signutsnice. I havn't had a chance to get my hands on one. Just stuck between itunes+ipod (6th gen) and *something else*
01:02:34signutsgah. larger than it looks
01:02:35signutsheh
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01:03:09[IDC]Dragonare the itunes alternatives reasonably useful? Like, would they take the directory name for artist/album name?
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01:04:03signuts[IDC]Dragon, easy to do with amarok
01:04:34[IDC]Dragonamarok can load the latest ipods?
01:04:48signutsno. that's why I i'm stuck
01:05:02*signuts has had a 1st gen ipod for pages
01:05:08linuxstb[IDC]Dragon: IIUC, the itunes database is limited in terms of filename lengths, so you can't just put files anywhere and build a db.
01:05:43[IDC]Dragongah, sounds bad and worse
01:06:10[IDC]Dragonmaybe I should try a capable tagger first
01:07:15linuxstbYou may also have read about Apple's addition of a signature in the itunesdb. It's been cracked already, but maybe all the apps haven't been updated yet.
01:07:19[IDC]Dragonmy endpoint directories are named "artist - album", this could be tagged into the files if nothing in there
01:07:34[IDC]Dragonlinuxstb: yes, saw that
01:08:10***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:08:30linuxstbAnd of course Apple may do something even worse in the future, although you obviously could stick with older versions of their firmware... But I've no desire to take the closed Apple route.
01:08:58[IDC]Dragonthat company really turned evil
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01:10:37linuxstbAlthough a 160GB disk in that form-factor is very tempting...
01:11:02[IDC]Dragonmount that into the gigabeat...
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01:13:23linuxstbGood luck - the disk has a CE-ATA interface.
01:13:43linuxstbAlthough I think Samsung have announced 160GB disks with a ZIF interface.
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01:15:19Bam2550Is it possible to edit the names/titles of things in rockbox like Database −−> Musix Plugins −−> Games
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01:19:10Bam2550i'm searching the open source area...
01:19:16Bam2550probably will take forever + 34
01:19:45linuxstbYou can modify apps/lang/english.lang and then compile your own Rockbox build.
01:19:49signutsdoes rockbox support the touchscreens on the generation4 archos devices?
01:20:07linuxstbIt doesn't support anything on the generation4 archos devices.
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01:21:05Bam2550linuxstb, do you mind going a tad more in depth?
01:21:08signutsahh. completely different hardware I assume
01:21:23*Nico_P has an apparently good rebuffer and seek implementation :D
01:21:39linuxstbBam2550: Do you understand what I mean by "compile your own build" ?
01:22:05Bam2550no, sort of, a little. But cant i just edit the english.lang directly on the ipod?
01:22:37linuxstbenglish.lang doesn't exist on the ipod
01:22:51jhMikeSNico_P: so how close to an SVN commit? a few days max I expect :)
01:23:10Zagorc200 usb detect is GPIOH pin 0x02
01:23:11Bam2550F:\.rockbox\langs\english.lng
01:23:25Nico_PjhMikeS: I don't know... I want to have it working quite well before I commit
01:23:37Nico_Pand there are still a lot of things I haven't tested and debugged
01:23:39Zagoris there a reason for the convoluted usb_detect other than we didn't know the port pin?
01:24:08linuxstbZagor: It's to determine the difference between a usb connection to a PC, and a usb connection to a wall charger.
01:24:27Bam2550Linuxstb: cant i just change the word Database in F:\.rockbox\langs\english.lng and save the changes?
01:24:38Nico_PjhMikeS: although I have to say I'm feeling better and better with playback.c and I feel the base is slowly coming together nicely
01:24:56linuxstbBam2550: Have you tried?
01:25:13pixelmaBam2550: english.lng is not a text file...
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01:25:46jhMikeSNico_P: I'm sort of kidding around about the few days. That's good to hear though.
01:25:48SolignaHello, I can't get my sansa e200r to get into recovery mode by loading a vanilla bootloader, when I input the command ./e200tool recover BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom in ubuntu it says no such file or directory
01:25:50chris_mthello hello
01:26:14linuxstbSoligna: If you type "ls", do you see e200tool there?
01:26:15Nico_PjhMikeS: :) in a week I hope to have pretty much useable code
01:26:29Solignayes
01:26:31jhMikeSah, so _several_ days instead of a few...:P
01:26:53|Rain|Soligna: are you on a 32-bit or 64-bit system? (assuming x86)
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01:27:00Solignalinuxstb: 64-bit
01:27:15Solignawell, that was to rain anyways
01:27:16linuxstb|Rain|: 64-bit ;)
01:27:41|Rain|Soligna: do you have 32-bit compatibility libraries installed? if the 32-bit ld-linux.so.2 can't be found, it'll also say 'no such file or directory' when you try to run it
01:27:45|Rain|(even if you have the path correct)
01:28:27[IDC]Dragonwhat's special with the Sansa "R" postfixed models?
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01:28:48linuxstbMore security against 3rd party code.
01:28:59[IDC]DragonI reckon it's about Rhapsody support, does it make any difference for us?
01:29:10Soligna|Rain| accidentally hit the back button, no I dont think the 32 bit libraries are installed
01:29:42|Rain|Soligna: that's probably your problem if you're using a precompiled e200tool (which I got the impression you are −− but I might be wrong)
01:30:18[IDC]Dragonshould I avoid an R model, or go for it, or is it irrelevant?
01:30:24linuxstb[IDC]Dragon: The hardware appears to be identical, but the original firmware only upgrades itself with firmwares passing a signature check, which requires a private key we don't know.
01:30:27Soligna|Rain| I am, should I just switch to my 32 bit, or where can I get the libraries?
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01:30:36chris_mtwhat's the easiest way to check what's been recently committed for a certain target?
01:31:00[IDC]Dragonlinuxstb: I read that as an "avoid at all cost"
01:31:06linuxstb[IDC]Dragon: Assuming you have access to a Linux box, you can install Rockbox.
01:31:11linuxstb(so no, it's fine)
01:31:14Zagorchris_mt: most commits are multi-target
01:31:22chris_mthmmm
01:31:24chris_mtok.
01:31:25|Rain|Soligna: you could try to find a 64-bit e200tool binary or compile your own
01:31:59chris_mtI'm wondering if the sansa usb situation has improved in the past week, or how it's coming
01:32:05|Rain|Soligna: otherwise, your linux distribution probably has packages for it, but I'm still using a 32-bit box so I don't know what the package name is on ubuntu offhand
01:32:22[IDC]Dragonlinuxstb: I have, and perhaps need to read about how and why the oinstallation works
01:32:24Soligna|Rain| I think I'll just get a 32 bit version of ubuntu and try it on my other computer, I dont think there is a 64 bit version of e200tool and I dont have the knowledge to compile my own
01:33:00Soligna|Rain| thanks for the help, this has been giving me trouble the past few hours
01:33:24|Rain|hopefully I'm not completely off my rocker
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01:33:35Solignahopefully :)
01:33:35|Rain|I'm still recovering from an 18-hour work day on 2 hours of sleep
01:33:36Zagorchris_mt: I'm working on native usb disk mode, if that's what you mean.
01:33:51chris_mtyeah, exactly.
01:33:54Solignaah that sucks, well I have to go if I have more questions I'll come by here again
01:33:55chris_mthow's it coming?
01:33:57|Rain|Zagor: what do you have so far? I was just starting on one
01:34:09chris_mtI just installed a week old build on my girlfriend's e260
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01:34:24chris_mti'm working on the InfoNES thing...
01:34:47|Rain|I've only got as far as working out how the usb stack code that's there works
01:35:06Zagorit's a while away still. I'm 90% done with the chip driver, ~30% on the core stuff and 0% on the actual usb-storage part
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01:35:16chris_mtdo you have to use some kind of usb sniffer or similar?
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01:35:29|Rain|Zagor: so your code so far is pretty much all in svn?
01:35:29Zagorno, this part of the chip is fully documented
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01:35:57Zagor|Rain|: no, I'm starting over from scratch. I wanted to try to make it simpler than the current code.
01:36:03|Rain|ahh
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01:36:57linuxstbZagor: Have you thought about other drivers, such as serial (for remote debugging)?
01:37:00chris_mtcool, I'll be watching...
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01:37:29Zagorlinuxstb: yes I have. serial would be very nice to have. I don't see a problem supporting that.
01:37:31chris_mtI haven't attempted any heavy debugging yet. Seems like it could be tricky.
01:37:53chris_mtIs it possible to remote debug on some of the targets?
01:38:15Nico_PjhMikeS: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=commitdiff;h=0b61c5c1a348f65fbbf5b8271abcb27159007607
01:38:28|Rain|Zagor: is your rework available in a public place, yet?
01:38:34Zagor|Rain|: no
01:38:44Zagorchris_mt: only with hardware modification
01:38:55*Nico_P whispers "git" in Zagor's ear
01:38:57chris_mthmm
01:39:31saratogai still want to commit cabbie as the default rockbox theme
01:39:41saratogahas anyone expressed an opinion on this while i've been away
01:40:54Zagorsaratoga: I dislike that it introduces a new rockbox logo
01:41:47LloreanSo remove the backdrop image and just use a solid black background in the menus?
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01:42:43saratogai would like to have a rockbox logo somewhere, but i have no strong feelings about which or where
01:43:14LloreanI don't think the current logo can go anywhere without being obtrusive at the moment.
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01:43:21LloreanIt shows on boot, and that's probably good enough for the time being.
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01:43:29windio00hey im going to an installfest and bringing my ipod video with rockbox to talk about . . . what kind of things would be cool to say about rockbox?
01:43:32pixelmaand cabbie is not very targets complete as far as I'm aware
01:43:46ZagorI guess the logo could be used if faded
01:43:53Lloreanpixelma: But it's simple enough that completing it wouldn't be beyond the scope of one dedicated person, if that person wanted badly to commit it.
01:43:55windio00i just like the flac and ogg capabilities :)
01:44:07Nico_Pwindio00: doom ! (jk)
01:44:08windio00well not just
01:44:16windio00but
01:44:19LloreanZagor: For the version of Cabbie I used a while, I took the logo and rotated it 90 degrees, and placed it at the right edge of the screen, so it didn't interfere with most lists.
01:44:19linuxstbsaratoga: Where is cabbie?
01:44:20saratogapixelma: it runs on half of the targets so far
01:44:26saratogai'll extend it if others support using it
01:44:30pixelmaLlorean: if it was that easy... *sigh, thinking about my "easy enough" wps myself*
01:44:47saratogalinuxstb: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/240x320x16/Cabbie_V1Beta.png
01:44:54windio00Nico_P: yeah that would be cool . . . has support got better? last time i tried it really choppy
01:45:05Lloreanpixelma: Well, I use a very special definition of "easy enough" meaning "I don't have to do it, so I can get away with saying it" :-P
01:45:12pixelmasaratoga: how many are that, thinking of RWPSs too...
01:45:14linuxstbsaratoga: Very orange ;)
01:45:28Zagoryeah, I too think it's a bit too high-contrast
01:45:30windio00frozen bubble might be better
01:45:31saratogayes, but the orange looks suprisingly good on the device
01:45:34saratogaits quite readible
01:45:37Zagorfeels like old green screens :)
01:45:41saratogaeven in poor lighting
01:45:43windio00i could try playing the elephant dream thing
01:46:09saratogapixelma: 4 done, 4 to go
01:46:13linuxstbsaratoga: Shouldn't it have a status bar in the menu?
01:46:21rashersaratoga: I like it. But I guess the logo shouldn't be there (even though I personally like it)
01:46:31saratogastatus bar?
01:46:45linuxstbThe top line - icons, clock, etc...
01:46:59linuxstbWhat's been moved to the bottom in the wps
01:47:00saratogalinuxstb: I wasn't aware that was possible
01:47:19linuxstbIt is, but not a customised one.
01:47:27linuxstb(yet...)
01:47:35saratogai wouldn't mind leaving a logo in the menu background, but i agree it should at very least be made much, much fainter
01:47:48windio00i was suprised how much midi support has gotten better
01:48:03windio00it sounds perfect now
01:48:14saratogalinuxstb: so its just hard coded to have some of the things on the bottom menu from that picture?
01:48:14rashersaratoga: well, the logo shouldn't be there because it's not the actual Rockbox logo
01:48:25saratogarasher: yes I agree
01:48:26pixelmasaratoga: I count 10 main screen resolutions (+1 grey version of the 160x128) + 2 remote screens
01:48:40saratogapixelma: sorry, was only thinking color targets
01:48:47saratogai don't see any reason to involve the grayscale ones yet
01:48:54saratogasince cabbie won't work for them anyway
01:49:00saratogamight as well make it a second commit
01:49:13rasherI don't see how it couldn't work for grayscale
01:49:22rasherIt won't be orange, obviously, but it could look much the same
01:49:26linuxstbIMO we don't need to force a colour theme onto the smaller (and greyscale) targets though. The current default is reasonable.
01:49:33pixelmathought the goal was to get at least the same feeling everywhere
01:49:57linuxstbIMO the goal is give a reasonable first impression of Rockbox.
01:49:57saratogai'd like to commit something for the color targets, and sooner if possible
01:50:05saratogathen we can tweak it as we feel is needed
01:50:06pixelmaand iCatcher proofs that it is possible
01:50:10windio00for some reason depending on the build turning on and off doesnt work
01:50:11saratogaalmost anything is better then what we have now
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01:50:35windio00working now though
01:50:52Lloreanpixelma: My suggestion in the contest was to have the same "feel" everywhere.
01:51:04LloreanBut I agree that's not strictly necessary for a default, just a "would be nice"
01:51:06pixelmaI would want that too
01:51:38pixelmathough it's hard
01:51:43LloreanI think though that "feel" can be accomplished by using similar styled icons, fonts from the same family, similar volume indicator, etc, without concerning too much with any exact replication of layout etc.
01:51:55saratogaLlorean: thats a good point
01:52:07saratogalayout may be tricky for some targets (C200)
01:52:13rasherAnd stuff such as "header in a rounded rectangle"
01:52:17LloreanOr 4:3 vs 3:4 screens
01:52:38rasherit doesn't even have to include the same info
01:52:45rasherin my opinion, of course
01:52:56LloreanI think "Next Song" information is absolutely sacrifice-able on smaller screens
01:52:58pixelmasure
01:53:08LloreanOr rather, "can be tacked on on larger screens to fill up empty space"
01:53:17LloreanDepending on whether you like it or dislike it. :)
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01:53:23pixelmaI didn't say that it has to look all the same that's impossible
01:53:41rasherdoesn't icatcher pretty much attempt that?
01:53:51LloreaniCatcher does attempt that.
01:53:59LloreanI personally dislike it, but I'm no longer against it being made default.
01:54:17rasherI remember it looking pretty bad on h120.
01:54:25LloreanI was against rushing to make it default, some time ago, but no other new alternatives really came up
01:54:25rasherMainly how the grays were used
01:54:45pixelmabut there are slight differences for smaller screens too
01:55:03rasheranyway, it's not like the default can't be changed if it gets lots of complaints
01:55:26saratogarasher: thats my thought
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01:55:39pixelmarasher: when did you last try? And by the way, I don't like it much on my M5 too because the font is quite small on that screen (smaller pixels than the H100)
01:56:03rasherpixelma: it was a while ago (3-4 months perhaps)
01:56:15windio00is there an easy way to get the face plate off a ipod video to wipe dust off?
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01:57:05saratogaok, so the consensus tonight is that I should remove the logo, and that its probably ok for to use for the color targets?
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01:57:37Lloreansaratoga: Maybe take some screenshots in various sims to show how it looks at different screen sizes?
01:57:40pixelmarasher: in the beginning the H100 used the colour icons and let Rockbox do the downscaling with unexpected results, later it got spcified greyscale icons but can't tell for sure which version you looked at
01:57:55Bam2550Linuxstb: which string holds the ipodnano DataBase thing?
01:58:03Bam2550in the english.lang file
01:58:12rasherpixelma: that might be it.. I no longer have it, so I guess my opinion is no longer relevant
01:59:07linuxstbBam2550: Just search for "Database" - I don't know exactly.
01:59:36saratogaLlorean: I can do that, but it may take a few days before I'll have time
01:59:51saratogado you think a wiki page would be a good idea, or just posting in the forums thread?
01:59:55Bam2550i wish it was just the english.lang for ipodnano
01:59:56Lloreansaratoga: Just a suggestion is all, so that next time this comes up you can show how it looks elsewhere. :)
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02:00:37saratogaits a good idea, theres no real way for most people to see the ported versions without compiling the simulator since I didn't include pictures
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02:16:04linuxstbsaratoga: Looking at Cabbie again, I think it would be better to use icons, rather than text, for "Shu", "Rpt" etc - I don't think we want English text in a default theme.
02:16:36*linuxstb notices "Now Playing" and "Next"...
02:17:30rasherI think they can stay, but the abbreviated text should go
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02:17:35saratogagood point
02:17:50rasherThe default langueage is English anyway.
02:18:07LloreanWell, WPSes could be made localizable somehow. :-P
02:18:26saratogacouldn't i just draw text on top of a blank bar for that part?
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02:18:31LloreanA suffix to images based on the language name, so repeat_danks.bmp for repeat.bmp. :-P
02:18:42saratogai suppose thats not really any bettter though
02:19:25linuxstbSome themes manage to get away without any text
02:19:26webguest13is rockbox based on some *nix?
02:19:31linuxstbno
02:19:36rasherwebguest13: It's not based on anything.
02:19:52saratogaif anyone wants to suggest an icon set, please feel free
02:20:06webguest13rasher: all firmware then?
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02:20:21iambenanyone got a quick link to screenshots of this "cabbie"? im intrigued
02:20:24saratogai'd say its more of an operating system really
02:20:30Lloreansaratoga: There's a colored version of the default iconset
02:20:36rasherwebguest13: What do you mean? Rockbox is an operating system written from scratch
02:21:14saratogaiamben: its on this page for the gigabeat: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16
02:21:21webguest13rasher: oh ok . . . so in the beginning . . . was it like a linux from scratch situation?
02:21:25saratogai can't seem to link to both frames of that picture otherwise
02:21:27LloreanIf you want something slightly bigger, the buuf icons look nice and are good with that theme if I recall
02:22:06webguest13rasher: reverse engineering?
02:22:27saratogaLlorean: icons aren't specific to the target resolution right?
02:22:35linuxstbwebguest13: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html
02:22:37rasherwebguest13: I don't understand your questions, I'm afraid
02:22:40webguest13i would think there are a lot of interesting stories about how it came to be
02:23:14webguest13linuxstb: thanks
02:23:21Lloreansaratoga: They're best matched with font size.
02:23:23linuxstbwebguest13: If you're bored there is almost 6 years of mailing list archives... http://www.rockbox.org/mail/
02:23:58Lloreansaratoga: Or just pick one that matches the smallest font size you'll be using (buuf is 12x12, and of course the colored defaults are the same size as the defaults)
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02:24:13saratogaLlorean: do you have a link to the default icons?
02:24:52Lloreansaratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/custom_icons.6x8x16.bmp and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/custom_viewers_icons.6x8x16.bmp
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03:25:43Bam2550Hello, i am at this step: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling#Configuring_Build and i dont understand what to type in for the third instruction. i tried typing in ../tools/configure but i received an error.
03:27:19scorchewhat error?
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03:28:40Bam2550bash: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory
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03:29:58Soapis your "build" directory a subdirectory of rockbox?
03:30:07scorchethen you must not have followed the previous 2 steps
03:30:36Bam2550C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\build is where it is located
03:30:50Soapand your rockbox source directory is?
03:31:09Bam2550when i typed mkdir build it went there
03:31:15scorcheBam2550: here is step one: "Create a new folder for the compiling by typing mkdir folder, where folder is the name of the folder (I tend to call it build). This folder should be inside the Rockbox source folder."
03:31:27Bam2550yes
03:31:30psycho_maniacnow type "cd build" then do that command
03:31:32scorcheemphasis on the second sentence
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03:31:43Bam2550thne i typed cd build
03:31:46Bam2550and then i typed the command
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03:32:02scorche*This folder should be inside the Rockbox source folder.*
03:32:15psycho_maniacrockbox/build/
03:32:16Bam2550well it didn't end up there o.0
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03:32:21Bam2550when i typed mkdir
03:32:24Bam2550build
03:32:49scorchebecause you need to go inside the rockbox source folder before you issue the command
03:33:00Bam2550oh oh i c
03:33:01Bam2550lulz
03:33:07*Bam2550 starts over
03:33:15scorcheplease use real english in here..
03:33:41psycho_maniaccd rockbox, mkdir build, cd build, ../tools/configure
03:33:53Bam2550sorry schorche
03:34:02Bam2550sounds good
03:34:06Bam2550thank you.
03:34:57Bam2550and since i have a nano i type 21 because 21 is next to nano.
03:35:06psycho_maniaccorrect
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03:35:16Bam2550then i type n
03:35:21psycho_maniaccorrect
03:35:34scorcheBam2550: just follow the instructions
03:35:46Bam2550Cool... when you do things in order it works out better =0
03:36:05psycho_maniacBam2550: usually yes lol
03:39:15Bam2550NO!!Q
03:39:52Bam2550make[1]: arm-elf-gcc: command not found
03:40:02Soaplook into your path
03:40:42scorcheand make sure you followed the cygwin installation page correctly
03:40:57Bam2550make[1]: *** [/home/administrator/rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 127
03:41:07Bam2550Should i reinstall and start over?
03:41:13scorche[18:39:00] <Soap> look into your path
03:41:13scorche[18:39:39] <scorche> and make sure you followed the cygwin installation page correctly
03:41:33Bam2550Should i reinstall and start over?
03:41:47scorche...we just told you what you should do
03:44:33Soapyour PATH is what tells your OS where to look for "things". IIRC one of the post-install instructions is to tell your cgywin environment where to find the arm-elf-gcc compiler
03:45:19Bam2550really?
03:46:42Bam2550er how do i do that?
03:49:03Bam2550Soap?
03:49:49Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di
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03:51:13Bam2550it says go to \ect\profile but i only have an \ect\profile.d im assuming thats the right one?
03:51:58Soapsomeone else more familiar with cgywin should speak up for me at this point.
03:53:26Bam2550is there another way?
03:53:42Soapthere is the way
03:53:47Bam2550vmware
03:53:52Soapno
03:54:11Bam2550it says that is the other way...
03:54:26Bam2550If you don't like Cygwin and you want to avoid setting it, you can try the VMwareDevelopmentPlatform which contains all needed files, compressed in an emulated Debian Linux environment.
03:54:28Soapthe way is to finish what you started and learn how to set the PATH environment in cgywin.
03:55:20Bam2550No thanks, i think i'm going to go with VMware
03:55:21Soapif you feel the wiki is unclear (which it appears to be) - seek out another source for the answer (now that you know what the question is) or wait for someone who knows more than me (127 other people in this room).
03:55:49SoapRunning to vmware - just so you run into a different set of questions does not solve the fundamental problem.
03:56:42Bam2550fine ill wait a while to see if anyone else comes around.
03:57:34Bam2550Do you think if i try to reinstall the error might be fixed? or do you think it will happen over and over just because my computer is like this?
03:57:40Soapor Google on how to set the PATH environment in cgywin.
03:57:59Soapthe problem is you didn't follow step 4 of the instructions.
03:58:15Soap(re)install is steps 1, 2, and 3
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03:58:38Bam2550This is automatically done by the installation script.
03:58:42Soapno it is not
03:58:51Bam2550then it lied
03:59:07Bam2550i was quoting what it said
03:59:19Soapthe proof is in the pudding.
03:59:34Bam2550Maybe i forgot to click on arm-elf-gcc?
03:59:47Soapthe pudding says "PATH is not set correctly" - assuming you actually did install arm-elf-gcc, yes.
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04:00:31Bam2550well im going to reinstall it
04:00:59Bam2550should i just delete C:\cygwin because i cant find an unistall thing.
04:01:28Soapyou could verify if you have arm-elf installed...
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04:01:41Bam2550how?
04:01:44psycho_maniacBam2550: did you by any chance open a txt file and type that stuff that it says on the wiki?
04:02:10Bam2550what is "that stuff"
04:03:07psycho_maniacsomething of the sort like "PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin..."
04:03:49Bam2550i wish there was a text file in there...
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04:04:12Bam2550two csh and three sh files
04:04:55Bam2550oh wait... i think it wants me to type cd /ect/profile
04:05:02Bam2550then type that?
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04:05:11Bam2550(while in cygwin
04:05:16saratogaBam2550: looking at the logs, I'd say you need to go back to the path step in the manual, and so what it suggests
04:05:25saratogaeither edit that file, or do the other thing with the export
04:05:36Bam2550there are 5 files there...
04:07:20Bam2550actually there is no ect\profile
04:07:43*Bam2550 dies
04:08:07Bam2550its not a folder, its a plain file...
04:08:14Bam2550lol, i thought it was a folder
04:09:21Bam2550Sorry guys =0
04:13:20psycho_maniacalright i used to download simulator builds but now that i compile my own builds how do i make a zip file to make it easy to distrubute my own simulator? "../tools/configure" in sim i pick my player and then choose (S)imulator but in sim/archos/ there are no files
04:14:30psycho_maniacor do i pick (A)dvanced and then (S)imulator ?
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04:15:55saratogapsycho_maniac: did you compile it?
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04:16:39Bam2550Id like to thank psycho_maniac, saratoga, Soap, and scorche for helping me. IT WORKS!
04:16:46psycho_maniacas in run the make command?
04:17:47saratogayes
04:18:01saratogaconfigure just gives you a make file, it doesn't compile anything
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04:18:20saratogayou still need to do make and then make zip (or make install I think) just like a regular build
04:18:43saratogasince i guess the sim is pretty much a standard rockbox build, just one that targets SDL instead of a specific hardware device
04:19:11psycho_maniaci did both and there are no files in the archos folder. im looking in "rockbox/sim/archos" correct?
04:19:34Lloreanpsycho_maniac: How sure are you that there are no files after "make install"? The .rockbox folder ought to be hidden...
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04:22:54psycho_maniacthanks but now when i over right the files it still runs as the old simulator i had.
04:23:32LloreanDid you overwrite the actual binary, and not just the archos folder?
04:24:14psycho_maniacno i did not. what binary?
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04:25:40saratogathe rockboxui or whatever its called
04:25:56saratogathe actual executable that is the sim
04:26:18psycho_maniacwhere is that located? i cant seem to find it
04:27:15saratogasame directory as the archos folder
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04:28:17Bam2550i will still have my themes when i extract the new .rockbox folder right?
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04:28:42blistov_hey, can someone update the e200 brick article here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
04:29:00scorcheoverwriting only replaces the files that are already there
04:29:12scorcheblistov_: what needs updating about it?
04:29:14blistov_and mention that when you boot into the recovery partion, there will be a file called version.txt, that MUST be removed
04:29:25scorcheit doesnt have to be
04:29:27Lloreanblistov_: I've never had to remove it when restoring a firmware file.
04:29:30blistov_...
04:29:31blistov_ok.
04:29:36blistov_i have another issue then.
04:29:42blistov_i completely bricked my device.
04:30:01blistov_there's a thread on it here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13167.0
04:30:01scorchehow?
04:30:03krazykiti doubt that, unless you were dicking around in preboot mode
04:30:13blistov_nope.
04:30:25psycho_maniacrockboxui.exe does not exist
04:30:35blistov_used the installer on my first try, it used sanspatcher 0.4 i believe so i couldn't boot to the OF
04:31:07blistov_got into recovery mode, copied up the mi4 file, rebooted, and it never booted again. had to get a new device.
04:31:21keanublistov_, define: never booted again
04:31:25psycho_maniacthis is all i did. made a new folder, ran configure and picked simulator, ran make, now what?
04:31:37blistov_power comes on, blue light shines blue, that is all.
04:31:43scorcheblistov_: i dont see you performing the steps on that page
04:31:45blistov_can't boot to recovery mode.
04:31:47psycho_maniaci also did make install
04:31:52keanuso you overwrote the bootloader...
04:32:01keanugo into manufacturing mode, and you can fix it
04:32:05Bam2550oh yeah it worked (partys)
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04:32:09blistov_won't go into manufacture mode either.
04:32:14blistov_the device doesn't post.
04:32:24keanusansa's don't "post"
04:32:30scorcheit isnt a computer...it doesnt perfrom POSt
04:32:37saratogaalso, if you're going to defraud sandisk, at least don't post about it in the forums
04:32:42saratogabetter yet, just don't do that
04:32:53blistov_well anywho.
04:32:53scorcheblistov_: just follow those instructions and it will work
04:32:55keanuand in order for it to not go into Manu Mode, you'd need to mess up the I2C rom
04:33:03blistov_thats all fine and good.
04:33:18blistov_i documented in the thread exactly what i did, and the results.
04:33:22scorcheblistov_: for the sake of curiosity, what happens when you tried to put it into manufactuing mode?
04:33:28blistov_nothing.
04:33:38scorchedefine nothing
04:33:47blistov_blue light on.
04:33:49blistov_that is all.
04:33:56scorchethat *is* manufactuing mode
04:33:57blistov_screen doesn't turn on, backlight doesn't turn on.
04:34:15scorche...that is exactly what it is supposed to do
04:34:23keanu"I couldn't find another thread with this problem, so I took it back and replaced the player." - did you try searching...
04:34:35blistov_so how do you recover from that if a usb bus doesn't see the device?
04:34:44keanue200tool...
04:34:50blistov_tried that.
04:34:52scorche...just as those instructions say
04:35:00blistov_e200tool doesn't find anything.
04:35:05blistov_its NOT ON THE USB BUS
04:35:12blistov_udev does not see the device.
04:35:23blistov_a strace on the bus does not report that there is anything attached to it.
04:35:33keanuand lsusb?
04:35:33blistov_and the bus does not report any draw on the voltage.
04:35:50scorcheand you help power for 15 seconds and entered manufactuing mode again?
04:35:55scorcheheld
04:36:00blistov_yes.
04:36:05keanuturn off the Sansa, turn on hold, hold select/center, and turn on. that should force it into Manu mode
04:36:08scorcheand do you still have this device?
04:36:16blistov_and lsusb shows nothing. nor will it ever if the usb bus doesn't see the device.
04:36:29keanublistov_, then obviously your computer has a problem
04:36:51blistov_keanu, you use obviously pretty lightly.
04:37:00blistov_my computer doesn't have a problem.
04:37:07Lloreanblistov_: Prove it.
04:37:13LloreanThough honestly it could also be a faulty Sansa
04:37:17LloreanBut what it's not is version.txt
04:37:23LloreanAn assumption you decided to jump to just as lightly.
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04:37:44LloreanWith no experimentation, and a single experience weighed against the experience of dozens of other people.
04:38:00blistov_llorean, i experimented for about 5 hours.
04:38:05keanuIt could be multiple things. However, messing up recovery mode can't cause this issue
04:38:09Lloreanblistov_: With a known good Sansa?
04:38:15blistov_i did try everything i found in the forums, and everything mentioned so far.
04:38:21scorcheas i said, do you still have the device?
04:38:38blistov_and yes, the player worked until i installed rockbox with the official installer.
04:38:47Lloreanblistov_: That's not "known good"
04:38:49blistov_and no i do not have the device. i replaced it.
04:38:49keanublistov_, I've "bricked" my sansa at least a dozen times during testing - I've overwrote the i2c rom, the bootloader, and firmware (which seems worse than what you did) and I still recovered it
04:38:53LloreanThat's "Know that the main firmware works"
04:39:07Lloreanblistov_: Did you ever verify the manufacturing mode worked prior to installing Rockbox?
04:39:17blistov_yes.
04:39:29blistov_wait, no.
04:39:32saratoga"I put the player in manufacture mode and renamed rockboxpatch.c to BL_SDboardSupport.rom and patched it to my player with e200tool."
04:39:33blistov_verified recovery worke.d
04:39:37saratogaamazing forums post
04:39:39LloreanSo, it's not "known good"
04:40:02keanusaratoga, renamed a C file to the bootloader?
04:40:17blistov_llorean, how can you possibly prove something is NOT broken at some level?
04:40:27Lloreanblistov_: Recovery mode works absolutely fine for everyone else without removing the .txt file, and whatever caused your problem was either a corrupted .mi4 file you copied over, or some other flaw with your player.
04:40:34Bam2550back once again. Say i made a new "phrase" in the english.lang file. it was called GameBoy Games and it was on the Main Menu. How could i add ROMs to the GameBoy "phrase" thing.
04:40:35blistov_its really difficult to determine a negative, let alone prove it.
04:40:58keanublistov_, simply put, nobody has needed to remove version.txt, so I don't think the wiki article will be updated
04:41:15saratogablistov_: its actually quite easy, just get the device to work, and then you know its not broken
04:41:36Lloreansaratoga: Or rather, the specific function of the device in question
04:41:44LloreanYou don't know everything works, but you do have a "it was working before" at least
04:41:45safetydan_Bam2550, you'll need to add an entry to the menu code if you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do.
04:41:54blistov_i know it was working before.
04:42:02keanublistov_, define: what
04:42:04keanu*it
04:42:16keanublistov_, what was working before?
04:42:19Lloreanblistov_: We've covered that you don't know that manufacturing mode worked, which depends on different code in a different place than the main firmware.
04:42:20blistov_and saratoga, something working according to your observation is not definitive proof that NOTHING is broken.
04:42:36LloreanMy point is simply that you jumped to a conclusion about version.txt
04:42:48LloreanWithout testing it on the other, "working" player
04:42:50saratogablistov_: sure it is, provided you've defined "working" properly
04:43:10blistov_anywho, funny how you have a definitive answer "blistov is wrong, and there is no problem" and not one of you has even asked what OS i'm running.
04:43:13scorcheblistov_: something not working according to your observation is not definitive proof that something has to be is broken.
04:43:24saratogai mean, we're talking about an arbitrary test right? just define the test in such a way that you get arbitrarily high certainy
04:43:25Bam2550safetydan_, how hard do you think it will be?
04:43:38saratogascientific method and all that stuff
04:43:42saratogait works quite well
04:43:44scorcheblistov_: because it has worked for dozens of other people many many times....
04:43:45safetydan_Bam2550, what do you know of programming in C?
04:44:00Bam2550little amount
04:44:01scorcheblistov_: do you still ahve the device, so i can prove this to you?
04:44:05Lloreanblistov_: You're wrong about version.txt
04:44:11blistov_i didn't say i was right.
04:44:20Lloreanblistov_: You complained about us telling you you're wrong
04:44:27LloreanIf you are wrong, it doesn't matter that we've told you so.
04:44:46keanublistov_, you said udev, lsusb, etc - that means it's unix based
04:44:56blistov_unix based is pretty broad.
04:45:02saratogawho cares
04:45:05keanublistov_, VERSION Rhapsody IRC Version 0.28b Beta - Linux
04:45:06Bam2550safetydan_, im guessing it will be hard
04:45:12keanuI just proved you use Linux
04:45:16blistov_no you didn't.
04:45:23blistov_you proved that irc reports such.
04:45:24keanuctcp says otherwise...
04:45:26blistov_jesus.
04:45:32Lloreanblistov_: Yes, and you can lie to us as well
04:45:33saratogablistov_: can you please prove you exist before continueing
04:45:49LloreanThere's no point in having this argument.
04:45:52blistov_nope.
04:45:55LloreanThe wiki page doesn't need changed, at least on that issue
04:45:55keanuLlorean, agreed
04:45:57saratogaprove we're having this argument
04:46:03LloreanIf you ever actually do some testing and figure out what you really did wrong, let us know.
04:46:07blistov_like i said, i was just reporting my experience with the official installer.
04:46:19LloreanFor example, did you check an MD5 checksum of the MI4 you copied in recovery mode before disconnecting?
04:46:44safetydan_Bam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6988 does something similar to what I think you're trying to achieve. Take a look at that patch to see what's needed
04:47:37blistov_you don't want to know if i did an md5 sum. you're trying to steer the solution to "blistov did something wrong" instead of "what went wrong".
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04:47:58Lloreanblistov_: Well, in recovery mode, no Rockbox code is working.
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04:48:03Bam2550Wow thats great thanks! i wanted a video one too btw =). Also i can just change the title to GameBoy Games too, right?
04:48:09LloreanSo either something was wrong with the original firmware or hardware of your sansa, or you did something wrong
04:48:18LloreanSince we can't fix anything with the original firmware, we only care what you did.
04:48:54LloreanIf you care about "what went wrong" in Recovery Mode, and want to assume that you are infallible, go talk to Sansa, as it's their code that must've buggered things up.
04:49:13blistov_the official installer does not install a usable instance of rockbox. this has been tested on two devices. the first one bricked when i copied the mi4 file (as described in the thread) and would not go into recovery mode, and e200tool couldn't see the device in manufacture mode. period.
04:49:18keanuLlorean, talked to Sandisk? ;)
04:49:26Lloreankeanu: Sandisk, yeah
04:49:32blistov_i won't claim to be infallible, but you're insisting that i'm wrong, period.
04:49:36blistov_that solves nothing.
04:49:40safetydan_Bam2550, you could add another entry for games yes
04:49:41Lloreanblistov_: You are wrong about version.txt
04:49:42keanublistov_, are you sure USB support is working on your computer
04:50:00blistov_even if i was wrong, then i'm still not sure how two devices failed to run rockbox after using the official installer.
04:50:02blistov_there IS a bug.
04:50:03Lloreanblistov_: But sansapatcher does fail to boot the original firmware, this isn't denied anywhere.
04:50:04Bam2550safetydan_, how do i add patches =0 im searching ATM for an article but no real luck.
04:50:16Lloreanblistov_: But everyone else can boot Rockbox after using sansapatcher, just not the original firmware.
04:50:21keanublistov_, Rockbox doesn't modify the bootloader, so I can't see why Recov mode wouldn't work
04:50:22blistov_i'm not saying anyone denies that.
04:50:29LloreanSo, are you claiming that hundreds of users are not experiencing this bug, but only you are?
04:50:33blistov_does the official installer use the correct version of sanspatcher?
04:50:37LloreanOr could it be possible that there *is* something wrong with your USB?
04:50:45blistov_there is nothing wrong with my usb.
04:50:49blistov_nor my usb hub.
04:50:50keanublistov_, how do you know?
04:50:54Lloreanblistov_: 1) Which "official installer" do you refer to?
04:51:00blistov_nor the i2c reporting
04:51:15keanublistov_, how do you know USB is working on your computer?
04:51:51Lloreanblistov_: Are you talking about "Rockbox Utility"?
04:51:55blistov_every other device i connect to it works correctly. while this doesn't prove anything, i also had the same results on another computer.
04:52:04safetydan_Bam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
04:52:13keanublistov_, have you tested a different usb cable?
04:52:19Bam2550Thanks Dan
04:52:19blistov_yes.
04:52:28blistov_two devices, each came with a new cable.
04:52:34keanui find it *very* hard to believe you can't get two Sansas working
04:52:40blistov_....
04:52:50blistov_keanu, seriously, i've said this thrice now.
04:53:00Lloreanblistov_: You've also not answered a very specific question about what program you were using.
04:53:02blistov_i got the second device working, by manually installing.
04:53:04keanublistov_, notice "find" and "believe"
04:53:25keanublistov_, you said Recov mode didn't work on the second one...
04:53:53keanublistov_, nvm, read it wrong
04:53:57blistov_recovery didn't even come up after installation, and an attempt at recovery on the FIRST device.
04:54:30blistov_the only thing i did differently during the recovery on the second device, is that i deleted the version.txt file before unmounting.
04:54:47keanublistov_, and the second device...works?
04:54:50blistov_yes.
04:54:52blistov_works fine.
04:54:55scorcheblistov_: as it seems you arent willing to see things any other way, why dont you send the device to me, so i can prove this to you?
04:55:14keanublistov_, and you are sure that the MD5sums of the file put on the Sansas were the same?
04:55:45blistov_scorche, really? i've already said .... 4 times now that the origional (very bricked) device, was returned
04:55:53Lloreanscorche, keanu: I suspect he has me on ignore. Ask him if he was using "Rockbox Utility", and when it was compiled.
04:55:57blistov_keanu, positive the md5 sums came up the same.
04:56:13keanublistov_, what was the md5sum?
04:56:22scorchethen why are we even arguing about this, since you cannot do tests on the device to see if you did things right or wrong?
04:56:29keanublistov_, did you use "Rockbox Utility" and if so, when was it compiled?
04:56:41blistov_2c11dc0b10f1393115c54b17b6278cd2
04:56:49keanublistov_, what firmware version?
04:56:59blistov_1.00.12
04:57:09blistov_i also tried that version on my new device, and it worked fine.
04:57:17keanuhold on...I need to see if I can even find 1.00.12
04:57:29blistov_http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4
04:57:31Lloreankeanu: Seriously, stop talking with him, he seems to have no interest in actually tracking down the problem with whatever "official installer" he claims to have used.
04:57:42blistov_chill llorean.
04:57:59blistov_http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/linux/rbutilqt-v1.0.1.tar.bz2
04:58:03Lloreanblistov_: No, I won't. You claim there's a problem with our software, and the one person who's asking you questions about what of our software you used is the one person you're ignoring.
04:58:07scorcheenough of this...he doesnt have the device anymore, and so cant prove anything
04:58:14keanuscorche, agreed
04:58:14scorchesrop the subject now
04:58:17scorchedrop
04:58:26scorcheif you want to continue, do it in PM
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04:58:46Lloreanblistov_: That was compiled early september, and predates the fix for the hanging original-os bootoader
04:58:56Lloreanblistov_: It should boot Rockbox just fine, but may have problems booting the original firmware.
04:59:00blistov_thats whats posed on the site.
04:59:17blistov_what good is rockbox without the ability to boot to disk mode?
04:59:30scorcheit is a bug
04:59:32blistov_i'm not saying the rockbox utility bricked my device.
04:59:53blistov_i'm saying it should be mentioned in the installation instructions that you can't actually use the rockbox util if you want a working device.
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05:00:08scorcheit works on some devices...on others, it doesnt
05:00:10Lloreanblistov_: The instructions actually clearly state that we make no guarantee that any of our software will do anything at all
05:00:33Lloreanblistov_: We cannot predict whether you'll have a problematic device, or whether the currently available build or installer is a buggy version: You are not using released software.
05:00:44LloreanIf you fear things not working well, wait until an official release version of Rockbox is made, and use that.
05:00:50blistov_i'm not giving anyone shit for something not working, i'm saying it should be mentioned that the installer doesn't work on this device. the instructions specifically written for the e200 say you can use the rbutil.
05:01:00Lloreanblistov_: Because many people, including me, can.
05:01:05Bam2550-Can i manually add what is in the patches instead of using a patch? (i know its harder, im just wondering if i can)
05:01:23Bam2550instead of using a patch tool*
05:01:23Lloreanblistov_: And when the next version is uploaded, it'll work fine again, or may have new strange bugs. The manual says "Draft" for a reason.
05:01:25scorcheBam2550: of course..that is all a patching program does
05:02:33Lloreanblistov_: If you want to be helpful, compile an SVN version of RBUtil, verify whether it works installing the bootloader on your player since you have one of the problematic ones, and if it does let us know so we can upload a working version.
05:02:35keanublistov_, you can't boot the OF due to a bug we're working on fixing...it's not our fault you decided to try Rockbox while we're fixing the bug.
05:02:54blistov_thats piss poor documentation skillz. i dig rockbox, but someone needs to either fix the documentation (ie, link to utilities that DO work, or at least mention that a certain utility is live code...)
05:02:55keanublistov_, use v0.2 of sansapatcher and it will work
05:03:11blistov_keanu, again, i know sansapatcher 0.2 works.
05:03:15Lloreanblistov_: The manual says DRAFT
05:03:15blistov_i've got everything working.
05:03:24Lloreanblistov_: EVERYTHING is LIVE CODE.
05:03:48keanublistov_, if you want rbutil to work, you're welcome to try to fix it yourself. The source code for it's in SVN.
05:04:24Lloreanblistov_: Now quit complaining about the fact that you missed this fact, one we don't exactly hide, and try to help us fix things by testing the SVN version instead of the somewhat old build and let us know if it solves your problem.
05:04:36blistov_... and assuming you're a dev, i won't tell you your method is WRONG, but I will point out that its generally bad practice to point your end user documentation to live code.
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05:04:47Lloreanblistov_: It's NOT END USER DOCUMENTATION
05:04:53Lloreanblistov_: Do you not understand the word "Draft"?
05:05:01LloreanThere are NO END USERS for the Sansa build yet.
05:05:28blistov_http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html
05:05:33blistov_there is NOTHING that says draft
05:05:49blistov_there is nothing that says this is live code.
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05:06:25Lloreanblistov_: One, it says "Current builds" are not release versions.
05:06:28scorcheLlorean: please see -community
05:06:31saratogayou don't think an SVn build is live code?
05:06:37Lloreanblistov_: Two, then that's a bug in the HTML version of the manual, because the PDF version clearly says draft on every page.
05:07:08Lloreanblistov_: Guess what: the manual is built from SVN daily, again from live code.
05:07:09saratogai mean its not like you download the 2.5 release of rockbox
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05:07:47blistov_omg. get someone who isn't a developer to install on their e200. see if they tell you they got the impression that it wasn't supposed to work. i'm done. learn versioning practice, or learn documentation
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05:08:18saratogaproblem solved
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05:19:39psycho_maniacwhat do you do when you join the rockbox testing list?
05:20:56Soapthe testing list?
05:21:16SoapI assume you get a set of steak knives - the same thing you get when you join the checking list.
05:21:42krazykitwha... i didn't get steak knives!
05:21:49psycho_maniachttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting
05:22:49psycho_maniaci wouldnt mind joining that but i want to know what im in for.
05:22:56LloreanVery little.
05:23:08LloreanIt comes with no obligation.
05:24:03Soapohh, I thought you were referring to a mailing list - see what happens when I assume? You're just pledging your undying love to Bagder, and saying you will make yourself available for testing.
05:24:36Bam2550I'm looking at a .patch file in Dev-C++ and im wondering, does it matter where i add things? Also do i add the parts with the −−- and +++ and @@ in the beginning?
05:24:55krazykitBam2550, it matters very much
05:25:05Bam2550How do i know where to put it?
05:25:05krazykit−−- means the line is removed, +++ means it's added
05:25:29krazykit@@ is the line it starts at or near
05:25:53Bam2550@@ -86,6 +86,7 @@ means?
05:26:00krazykitline 86
05:26:39Bam2550so i add it after line 86?
05:27:13Bam2550nvm found the answer
05:27:13krazykitwell, this really isn't rockbox related anymore, so it's offtopic. i'd google around for "manually applying patches"
05:27:47Bam2550can i just ask one question? Do i need to add the −−- and +++ and @@ parts?
05:28:08scorchesubtract the −−−−, add the +++
05:28:32Bam2550so dont put in the −−- and keep the +++?
05:28:32krazykitbut don't have +++,−−-, or @@ in the code itself when you do
05:28:50Bam2550oh i see now
05:29:07krazykitif your line is "+++ if whatever;" you'd put in the code, "if whatever;"
05:29:48Bam2550if the line is −−- if whater"
05:29:54Bam2550then dont even add it?
05:31:27krazykitno, that's the line you're removing
05:32:05Bam2550Way too confusing, im just going to try to find out how to use cygwin to do it.
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05:33:17sdoyonAnyone has a few minutes to help test a patch? In particular anyone with an iPod with a clickwheel, or an Archos?
05:34:04Bam2550i would if i knew how to work a patch
05:34:46psycho_maniacsdoyon: what does the patch do?
05:35:42sdoyonIt's FS #7774: use a callback to manage voice in lists. Hooked up to menus and option_screen... Not rocket science, but I'd like more testing before committing something like that.
05:36:07sdoyonIn particular the hover mechanism from the file browser is revamped.
05:36:25Bam2550Does anyone know how to add a patch with cygwin?
05:36:51krazykitBam2550, patch -p0 < patch.diff, if the patch was made right
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05:37:09krazykitand assuming you're in the root of your source directory.
05:37:26Lloreansdoyon: In your recent keyboard patch, are you using the beep from the "Playback" menu?
05:37:46Bam2550krazykit, what is the root of my souce directory o.0
05:37:49sdoyonYes.
05:38:11LloreanIs that beep used anywhere else but in playback?
05:38:13sdoyonOh did I forget an #ifdef there...
05:38:43krazykitBam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
05:38:52Bam2550i read it over twice
05:38:56Bam2550i dont understand it at all
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05:39:18krazykitBam2550, the dir that has stuff like apps, bootloader, tools, utils and other directories
05:39:32Bam2550thats the roof of my source directory?
05:39:41Bam2550because thats where the video_menu.patch file is
05:39:47Bam2550root*
05:40:16krazykityeah, then if you cd there, you can just run patch -p0 < video_menu.patch
05:41:18Bam25501 out of 4 hunks FAILED
05:41:40sdoyonLlorean: no.
05:42:06Lloreansdoyon: Considering it's in the playback menu, and it's supposed to be the playback beep, why is the beep in the keyboard tied to a playback setting?
05:42:19krazykitBam2550, i'm not going to walk you through this one. i've got work to get to, sorry. good luck manually patching that bit, though!
05:42:30Bam2550okay
05:42:34Bam2550i dont even know what a hunk is
05:42:38Bam2550so this will be interesting
05:42:40Lloreansdoyon: It seems to me either the setting needs to be moved, or the beep should be tied to something else.
05:42:55psycho_maniacwhat patch are you using Bam2550?
05:43:03Bam2550Video_patch
05:43:06krazykitBam2550, my final hint is, see the file it failed on? there's that file with a .rej that tells you what failed
05:43:11psycho_maniacfs#?
05:43:51psycho_maniacBam2550: do you have the patch number?
05:43:57Bam2550erm hold on
05:44:43psycho_maniacim not saying this is it but the last time a patch i used had a "hunk failed" the patch needed up dating
05:45:01Bam2550http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6988
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05:45:24sdoyonLlorean: You're right I guess. I suppose the two uses don't have much in common, so I wouldn't move the setting. I could either make the beep depend on talk_menus_enabled, or say something instead of beeping.
05:46:39psycho_maniacthat patch seems pretty old. april of 07.
05:47:23Bam2550=\
05:47:27Lloreansdoyon: I personally think depending on "talk_menus_enabled" is fine, but I'm not wholly sure how others would feel.
05:48:45psycho_maniacBam2550: that patch is also closed
05:48:53Bam2550lol
05:49:30sdoyonLlorean: well... unless you think it would be nice even for sighted users, I think I'll do just that.
05:49:30psycho_maniacrejected more like it.
05:52:14Lloreansdoyon: I don't think it's very useful for sighted users, honestly.
05:52:19Bam2550now ill be off to look for another Video menu thing
05:52:24Lloreansdoyon: At least, not useful without voice enabled.
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05:53:59psycho_maniacwhy cant you just go to the root of the drive and go into your "Video" folder? its the same thing
05:57:06psycho_maniacoh he left. maybe thats why it was rejected in the first place.
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06:02:16sdoyonIf I'm adding a function to talk.c, which isn't compiled into the sim, is there a preference between defining a dummy macro in talk.h vs adding a function in uisimulator/common/stubs.c?
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06:09:29RenoHi um... i was here a few hours ago (the guy about the ipod data sheets) i got a question. I just installed the current build for rockbox on my ipod and it works fine except for when i try to save a game (gamboy rom) it says: Data abort at 01F852AC: and it doesn't save?
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06:12:56Renoplease help? :)
06:13:01Reno:)
06:13:51spky?
06:15:02Renoi can't save the game.
06:15:11Renothe gameboy rome
06:17:23Renois someone here?
06:17:28psycho_maniacbe patient and hopefully somebody will see your problem and be ableto help you. not all 133 users are actually here. there loged on but are busy
06:17:37Renooh
06:17:39Renokk
06:17:41Reno:)
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06:34:31Renook guess everyones bussy...i'll try tomarrow. :)
06:34:51RenoBye! :)
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07:26:02amiconngah
07:29:14*amiconn really dislikes it when a committer breaks a target and doesn't even notice it at all
07:29:30IsolinearWhich commit?
07:30:09amiconnsdoyon's keyboard beep
07:30:38IsolinearAhh.. Well you gotta cut him some slack I guess, he's new.
07:31:05IsolinearWhich target?
07:31:21scorchewe seem to be making people devs quite fast lately..
07:31:46IsolinearThat can be good and bad...
07:32:47amiconnAll the Ondios
07:33:11amiconnI didn't complain that he caused some red, I did complain that he didn't check the build table and fix it
07:33:20amiconnThere were 2 more commits afterwards
07:33:43amiconnAlso, even though the other archoses are not red, the beep most probably doesn't work
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07:40:32spkyi hate it that you cant set the y position of the progress bar ;[
07:40:48spky*hate the fact that
07:42:41Nico_Pspky: maybe I didn't get what you mean but I think it's possible
07:42:54spkyyou can set the position from the left
07:42:57spkybut not from the top
07:43:06spkyit goes by line height as far as i can tell
07:43:42spky%pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|
07:43:46spkyno "toppos"
07:43:48Nico_Phttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Playlist_Song_Info
07:43:59Nico_P%pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos|
07:44:05spkyhmm
07:44:12spkythat's not on the help file =\
07:44:22spkyhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap2.html#x14-237000B.1
07:44:24spkythank you
07:44:26spkyi will try that
07:46:07spkynice =]
07:46:18spkywish it was on the docs i was reading ;[
07:48:36amiconnsdoyon also forgot the other vkeyboard implementation...
07:49:19spkyi really like this rockbox program =]
07:49:35spkythe fact that you can skin it is pretty sweet
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07:50:11spkyare there any templates for making your own themes?
07:50:48spkylike a psd with guide's n such
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07:52:30Nico_Pspky: not really. there are some in the forums but only for specific themes
07:55:26spkythe DocPod Aqua is a nice theme but the font is way too small
07:55:38spkysame with alot of the themes
07:56:21*Nico_P has to go to class
07:56:45psycho_maniacspky: there is a docpod aqua modified theme that has bigger font. did you see that one?
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08:01:36IsolinearI've been working on one to suit my own needs...
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08:02:00spkyi did not
08:02:01IsolinearUsing jBlackGlass as a template. It's not done yet but I'm thinking I might upload it when it's finished.
08:02:07spkyi' just edit it
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08:03:32psycho_maniacspky: did you use the wiki to look at themes or rockbox-themes.org?
08:03:45spkyi used the tool
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08:04:31psycho_maniacoh. what player do you have?
08:04:45spkyipod gen 5
08:04:49spky30gig video
08:04:59ddaltonCan I get tracker access so I cqan close tasks?
08:05:54Isolinearhttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/frequencymodulation/dump071009-225958.jpg
08:07:00psycho_maniacIsolinear: that looks nice. do you intend to not use patches?
08:07:06spkythe cfg would be better if you could have the [option] to set the font for each text line
08:07:34psycho_maniacspky: you mean miltiple fonts in the wps?
08:07:40spkyyeah
08:07:47Isolinearpsycho_maniac: Correct. Although scrolling margins would be nice.. :)
08:09:33spkyvisual eq would be cool on wps too
08:09:44psycho_maniacgood luck with that one
08:09:48spkylol
08:10:33IsolinearThe bg I used is from a user on deviantArt, so I'd have to make sure there are no legal issues with it and such.
08:11:12psycho_maniacyou can have multiple fonts on the wps but you have to compile your own build with the patch.
08:11:39spkyhow do i do that?
08:11:44spkyi'm a nub mind yo u
08:11:54IsolinearI like the idea of multifont too, but that patch isn't really mature yet.
08:12:10psycho_maniacIsolinear: looks nice although might not be on the player itself but the font seems small. but probably just right on the player itself
08:12:46spkyi like the size/weight of nimbus-19
08:13:45Isolinearpsycho_maniac: I had to compromise... I'd prefer a bigger font for the WPS, but then the menu font would be huge as well... I have a playlist of almost 2000 items and I need to see more than 10 lines on the screen when I'm scrolling... lol
08:13:55IsolinearI hate the Nimbus fonts.
08:14:09spkythe font isnt that great, like i said, size/weight
08:14:10IsolinearMy WPS uses Verdana, which IMO is easier to read.
08:14:27spkytahoma is nice too
08:14:45IsolinearI agree, but it didn't translate well to Rockbox.
08:14:53spkyword
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08:14:57IsolinearIt was jagged and uneven.
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08:15:14ddaltonBagder: around?
08:15:42GodEater_don't think he is yet ddalton
08:15:49GodEater_he's marked as away
08:17:35IsolinearGodEater: Do you agree that 7738 is good enough for commit?
08:17:45GodEater_not my place to say
08:17:58GodEater_I believe I like it's functionality, and nothing horrific about the code leaps out at me
08:18:02ddaltonhow can you tell?
08:18:02GodEater_but jhMikes is the expert there
08:18:16GodEater_ddalton: /whois Bagder
08:18:40GodEater_[Bagder] is away (me rocks boxes elsewhere)
08:18:56psycho_maniacif 7738 gets committed then i will have no reason to compile my own builds :(
08:19:15GodEater_psycho_maniac: about time you started coding then :)
08:19:38Isolinearpsycho_maniac: My thoughts exactly... lol
08:24:48spkyhas anyone used this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5900?histring=font
08:24:49spky?
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08:26:59IsolinearI tried it. I don't like how color and position must be specified. I'd prefer them to be options independant of one another.
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08:37:11ddaltonHow can I tell how far through a track is?
08:38:00GodEater_ddalton: the WPS contains features for showing this information, but I've no idea how easy it would be to voice any of them
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08:39:53ddaltonLinusN: would I be able to get tracker access so I can close tasks?
08:40:26RYd3RHi guys.. anyone using rockbox on their Sansa e280?
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08:40:44amiconnhi LinusN
08:40:50LinusNamiconn: yo
08:41:03amiconnDo you have an X5V?
08:41:05LinusNddalton: let me check with the others
08:41:10LinusNamiconn: no i don't
08:41:16*GodEater_ loves the way ddalton avoids the pleasantries and just leaps straight in with the questions
08:41:17amiconnSo how could you maintain it?
08:41:41LinusNamiconn: well, does another developer have one?
08:41:51amiconnNot that I know of
08:42:00LinusNthat's what i figured
08:42:12amiconnThere are already 2 questions which could only be answered with an *actual* X5V though
08:42:13GodEater_so you've bravely volunteered ;)
08:42:22LinusNamiconn: like?
08:42:30GodEater_what colour is it?
08:42:32LinusNGodEater_: exactly
08:42:38amiconn(1) Does radio detection work? (2) Is the USB PID the same as for the X5?
08:43:19LinusNi see
08:43:31ddaltonLinusN: who do you need to check with?
08:43:35LinusNbetter ask for an x5v owner on the mailing list
08:43:49LinusNddalton: the other admins
08:43:55ddaltonalso does anyone know how I can get the elapsed time in my code?
08:44:01ddaltonok
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08:44:43amiconnLinusN: Also, as Bagder split targets using the same rockbox build that way, do you think the iPod 1st and 2nd gen should be split as well?
08:45:07LinusNwhat are the differences?
08:45:14GodEater_ddalton: I would guess you should look at the WPS code that pulls that information
08:45:33ddaltonGodEater_: I am
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08:45:50RYd3ROk.. maybe nobody is running rockbox with Sansa e280 here atm.. but I'll ask the question anyhow.. maybe someone can help.. Everything seems to run ok.. but I try to play mpeg movie or view pictures and it is file not supported.. anyone have an idea?
08:46:14RYd3Ractually not just mpeg movie.. any movies..
08:46:26GodEater_RYd3R: Rockbox only plays mpeg2 movies
08:46:38GodEater_RYd3R: and what format are your pictures ?
08:46:43RYd3RI got the one off the rockbox site so that should work right?
08:46:45amiconnLinusN: Mechanical wheel vs. touch wheel, no headphone detection vs. headphone detection, and some other subtle hardware differences
08:46:59RYd3RI tried jpeg.. and the converted ones that are bmp
08:47:01GodEater_RYd3R: you mean the elephant's dream one ?
08:47:05RYd3RYup..
08:47:11RYd3RElephant dream
08:47:13LinusNamiconn: i think you know better than me if they should be split
08:47:15amiconnI think the differences regarding the main rockbox build are bigger than between e200 and e200R, and those were also split
08:47:22*GodEater_ wonders if maybe the Sansa is still awaiting LCD driver code to be written to support mpegplayer
08:48:00RYd3RBut I could not play a .mov file that I had with the e280 firmware.. now it will not play with thr rockbox firmware..
08:48:01amiconnGodEater: mpegplayer works for quite a while on e200, and since last weekend also on the c200
08:48:08RYd3RCOULD..play I meant...
08:48:24RYd3Rmov file worked then didn't work after the rockbox install
08:48:48GodEater_RYd3R: you mean you can't play the .mov back in the original firmware ?
08:49:24RYd3RNope.. I'm gonna try to encode the file again... and then try with original firm too... gimme a sec..
08:49:46GodEater_I'm lost
08:49:59GodEater_RYd3R: are you saying that even Elephant's dream doesn't work on your player or not ?
08:50:16LinusNRYd3R: and how old is your rockbox version?
08:50:35RYd3RElephants dream does NOT work
08:50:53RYd3RI'm not sure.. I just bought the thing like 3 days ago..
08:51:10GodEater_RYd3R: what, it CAME with Rockbox on it ?
08:51:26RYd3RI can check my firmware in a moment.. just encoding a small video with media converter
08:51:28Isolinearlol
08:51:45RYd3Rhaha.. would have been a better idea....
08:51:49GodEater_how does that stop you looking at your player ?
08:52:13RYd3ROh.. I guess it doesn't...
08:52:28amiconnLinusN: Btw, the fm and v2 recorders have no maintainer...
08:52:49LinusNi'll put myself as fmrec/v2 maintainer
08:53:16*amiconn is still looking for an fm
08:53:30RYd3RElephants dream says: Incompatible version and the mov file I just encoded did not work either.. going to try original fireware...
08:54:36RYd3RIs there a certain file structure you should follow with rockbox?
08:54:39GodEater_RYd3R: that sounds to me like you've been upgrading your rockbox install in bits
08:55:03GodEater_like, you've only taken parts of the zip file, and not all of it
08:56:00RYd3RWell. kinda.. I've tried a bunch of different things... quite a few times.. then tried another clean install and Hmm.. haha.. I've tried so many things in 3 days now I don't remember...
08:56:17GodEater_a "clean" install is unnecessary
08:56:30RYd3RWhat's the best way of starting over..? To make sure I can track the issue?
08:56:33GodEater_just unzip a new rockbox.zip to your player
08:56:47GodEater_and make sure it overwrites ALL older files
08:56:59GodEater_any other method will result in your issue
08:57:21RYd3RHmm.. ok.. I'll try that right now...
08:57:48RYd3RYeah.. the video I just encoded works great on the original firm..
08:57:49LinusNRYd3R: and don't bother to try to play a MOV file in rockbox
08:58:02RYd3Rmov does not work in rockbox?
08:58:10GodEater_until you've converted it anyway
08:58:15LinusNwe just told you, rockbox only plays mpeg2 files
08:58:16RYd3ROh.. yeah..
08:58:17GodEater_that's what I said
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08:59:05RYd3RSo what about jpeg files? Do I still need to convert jpeg with the media converter? Or does rockbox handle jpeg files in their native format?
08:59:39GodEater_it handles all jpegs except "progressively encoded" ones IIUC
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09:00:06RYd3RNice.. and they can be read out of the picture OR photo folder?
09:00:20GodEater_they can be read anywhere you bloody like
09:00:30RYd3RSweet..
09:00:50RYd3RMy original firmware is 01.02.15a
09:01:30*GodEater_ wonders if this is relevant
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09:02:43*scorche spots a few more google pictures and wonders why certain ones havent been published yet...
09:03:52psycho_maniacIsolinear: what is stopping you from comitting that wps theme?
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09:04:24scorches/comitting/uploading
09:04:47IsolinearThere's a lot of unused code since I used another theme as a template so I need to clean out everything I don't use.
09:05:07IsolinearPlus I need to check with a couple of deviantArt users to make sure use of their images is ok.
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09:05:24GodEater_<3 deviantart
09:05:43amiconnLinusN: Why does docs/MAINTAINERS trigger a rebuild?
09:06:02GodEater_for fun ?
09:06:10LinusNamiconn: every checkin triggers a rebuild
09:06:28LinusNand this particular one will probably need to rebuild the credits plugin
09:06:38amiconnThat's not entirely true... manual commits don't, and rbuitl commits neither
09:06:45LinusNtrue
09:06:51amiconncredits uses docs/CREDITS
09:06:55LinusNtrua again
09:07:14RYd3RWhat if I want to keep the themes... do I have to copy over those folders to? Or can I leave them alone? And better off to extract the themes again..
09:07:18amiconnMaybe we need a somewhat more fine-grained check
09:07:35LinusNis it really that bad?
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09:08:50amiconnWell, a useless rebuild comsumes cpu power, delays rebuild for subsequent commits when there are several in quick succession, and increases the risk of hanging builds
09:09:38GodEater_that's very green of you amiconn
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09:09:57amiconn?
09:10:21GodEater_the consumes cpu power bit.
09:10:32GodEater_I assumed you were worrying about Rockbox's carbon footprint
09:10:47amiconnThe build trigger mechanism seems to need some attention anyway; every now and then it misses a commit that *should* trigger a rebuild
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09:13:39LinusNamiconn: the detection is in tools/svnupcheck.pl
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09:19:36RYd3RHmm.. you guys ROCK!box... ;) lol! That was the problem.. bits and pieces of everything....
09:20:26GodEater_RYd3R: I assume you found that your themes are still ok
09:20:40RYd3RNow runs everything... small question that I'm sure has been asked a million times.. the jpeg codec.. ever think there will be a "rotate" button for it?
09:21:51GodEater_RYd3R: there are patches to do this I think
09:21:54RYd3RYes yes.. themes are good... just didn't replace applicable themes folders..
09:22:24RYd3ROr really.. I'll have to look into it.. would be nice to rotate the picture wide if was taken that way..
09:22:39GodEater_how would rockbox know if it was taken that way ?
09:23:29RYd3RNo.. not an auto rotate.. but if 'I' wanted to rotate the picture..
09:24:06RYd3RThat's what I had 'meant' to say
09:24:45RYd3RDoes anyone have a good and easy mpeg2 convertor to recommend? That can do most file types? Like divx and xvid etc?
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09:26:45GodEater_RYd3R: please see our wiki page on mpegplayer
09:26:51GodEater_we recommend several there
09:27:11RYd3ROh.. thanks!
09:27:54RYd3RAnd much thanks for your help...
09:28:02GodEater_np
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09:30:42syn4psewould someone look at my copyright/GNU license? I am just wondering if I can copyright my changes to someone else's berkeley license codes. laws are not my forte
09:31:51syn4psei intend to give it away; i just want to know how to sign the code with my name.
09:34:37GodEater_syn4pse: you can copyright whatever you like - you can't change the license without all copyright holder's permission though
09:35:38syn4pseok, so it just stays berkeley. is there any reason why i should worry about that? will it interfere with the rockbox license?
09:35:59GodEater_do you mean it's a BSD license ?
09:36:36syn4psenot sure. on his webpage he says the code is in the public domain.
09:37:15syn4psein his comments he says cpright joe blow, 2000 all rights reserved <berkeley license>
09:37:39GodEater_does he have the text of the license somewhere ?
09:38:02syn4psehmm let me check... one sec
09:39:19syn4psehttp://www.adaptive-enterprises.com.au/~d/software/amaze/
09:39:28syn4pseno file included with tarball
09:39:48GodEater_that's a big vague then
09:40:16GodEater_ah
09:40:30GodEater_the web page is better though I think - if it's in the Public Domain, then I think we can include it
09:40:46GodEater_best check with Bagder / LinusN though
09:40:51syn4pseok.
09:41:21ZagorPublic Domain does not exist in all jurisdiction. I know it doesn't in europe, anyway. someone always owns a work.
09:41:27syn4psedamn, i've been working on this for over a month, since i'm learning c at the same time.
09:42:00syn4psewhat if he's cited? maybe i can contact the guy. he took the idea from a magazine source code that he ported to curses.
09:42:36syn4pseso it's not like the intellectual property is all his, if that matters. but i'm not a lawyer and don't remotely want to be.
09:43:18ZagorI'd say the best option is to contact him and ask if he can consider licensing his work as GPL.
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09:44:36psycho_maniacamaze looks like the screen saver they had on windows 95 or 98
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09:51:07syn4psedone. sent him an email.
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09:52:06chris00_297245see my naked ex on www.nackte-ex.de.gg <my revange!
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09:52:20syn4psehe's probably awake since he's an aussie. :D
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09:52:37syn4psethanks, guys.
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10:06:19JdGordonany other devs has a DS and want to try porting rockbox?
10:10:44GodEater_*tumbleweed*
10:11:14petur /
10:11:35petur -
10:11:54petur \
10:13:01Bagderboring target imho
10:14:56JdGordonwhy boring?
10:15:31Bagderseveral reasons: 1) its old 2) not many users will care for rockbox on it 3) no storage to mention
10:16:16Bagderand its a frigging game thing, I would never buy one
10:16:16JdGordonthat makes it a pointless target.. not boring :p
10:16:33BagderI think of it as boring
10:16:57Bagderjust expressing my own opinion
10:17:26Zagorhmm, usb interrupt is fired on the timer irq. don't we know the real usb interrupt? firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c:22
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10:18:33BagderI guess we don't
10:18:57JdGordonBagder: well yeah, I would thing it would be more to say we could do it than to be actually useful
10:19:06ddaltonBagder: Can I have tracker access so I can close tasks?
10:19:11Bagdersure
10:19:18Bagderyour user name there?
10:19:31ddaltonBagder: were you talking to me ?
10:19:43Bagderddalton: yes, what's your tracker user name?
10:19:45ddaltonddalton
10:20:23Bagderddalton: you now have extra tracker powers, enjoy!
10:20:24ddaltonBagder it is ddalton
10:20:32ddaltonthank you
10:27:49amiconnZagor: I doubt that this is the "real" usb irq
10:28:24Zagoryeah me too
10:29:30amiconnThis looks to me like a dirty way to check sth every tick
10:29:38amiconnThe proper way would be to use a tick task
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10:33:59pondlifeWho are the RBUtil main men? bluebrother and domoneky ?
10:34:08Bagderyes
10:37:00pondlifeJust wondered if there was a major reason it didn't support SAPI TTS yet. Probably just needs the options adding?
10:38:17pondlifeAccording to the wiki SAPI is supported, but I can't see how... guess I'll read the source.
10:43:14GodEater_sorry Llorean
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10:46:07pixelmaGodEater: isn't that a bit... unnecessarily offensive?
10:46:57*linuxstb would tend to agree with pixelma
10:47:00GodEater_edited.
10:47:25GodEater_oh sod it - deleted
10:47:37GodEater_he's beyond help though
10:50:03GodEater_http://xkcd.com/293/
10:50:08ddaltonPondlife: do you think your patch (you did most of it) And LinusN. is likely to be excepted?
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10:50:29pondlifeexcepted?? Do you mean accepted?
10:50:36GodEater_I think he does
10:50:53ddaltonyeah I probably can't spell :-)
10:51:03ddaltonor maybe :-(
10:51:05pondlifeThe two words could mean the opposite of each other in this case ;)
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10:51:27pondlifeIt might be, but I'd like to see someone put #ifdefs in for all voice support first.
10:51:44pondlifeSomeone said they'd work on that... scorche, I think?
10:52:09pondlifeI'm already concerned at the recent red deltas.
10:52:31*amiconn wouldn't like ifdefs for voice
10:52:47ddaltonPondlife: why do we #if for my patch to be accepted?
10:53:10pondlifeamiconn: It would just allow someone to make a non-voiced build should they wish to save memory
10:53:23ddaltonneed
10:53:31pondlifeddalton: We don't... but I'm concerned it'll be considered bloat.
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10:57:12amiconnThe trigger screen should probably be ifdefed out for hwcodec
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10:57:37amiconnI mean the voice in the trigger screen
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10:57:59amiconnHmm, or perhaps not
10:59:44amiconnThe problem with the trigger screen is that many settings require to be in recording mode, but then voice doesn't work - both on hwcodec and swcodec
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11:00:54pondlifeddalton: Does the patch check voice_menus_enabled() before it speaks?
11:01:15preglowwhy was the vorbis optimization task reopened?
11:01:24linuxstbThe gigabeat bug?
11:01:44preglowa weird one, that...
11:01:49linuxstbIndeed...
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11:10:51Zagorscorche: were you interested in the Archos AV340?
11:11:02spiorfhi, there is a way to prevent the ipod nano from booting the original firmware
11:11:16spiorfwhen the usb cable is connected?
11:11:44spiorfif i connect it when rockbox is running it boots in disk mode and this is ok
11:12:16spiorfbut if it's turned off, and connect the cablem, it boots the apple's firmware
11:12:39spiorfrecreating all those annoying dirs in the filesystem
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11:18:15Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/10/10/rockbox-usb/
11:18:24Bagdermy write-up of the current situation
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11:22:34amiconnspiorf: It does so if you have Hold enabled when disconnecting USB. There is no way to prevent that, except taking care to unlock hold before disconnecting USB
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11:24:01JdGordonZagor: when you get usb going, are you planning on being able to use usb as a host instead of just a device?
11:25:56ZagorJdGordon: my current focus is device mode.
11:26:56Zagorhost mode isn't terribly complex if all we want is copy files, for instance
11:27:06JdGordonok
11:27:49linuxstbspiorf: You could remove the Apple firmware completely - install the Rockbox bootloader with the command "ipodpatcher -we" (I think...)
11:27:50spiorfamiconn, i meant some little code-editing to prevent the original firmware from starting at all
11:28:16spiorflinuxstb, i only care about the disk mode of the original firmware
11:28:24spiorfit will be kept if i do that?
11:29:02linuxstbYes. Are you saying that the "emergency disk mode" (the one Rockbox reboots into) also recreates the Apple folder structure?
11:29:22spiorfno
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11:29:35linuxstbInserting USB shouldn't cause Rockbox to start the original Apple firmware, unless you have the hold switch turned on.
11:30:06spiorflinuxstb, if i put the ipod on the dock while it is off, it starts the original firmware
11:30:32linuxstbWith the hold switch off? That's odd...
11:30:51linuxstbAre you _sure_ it's the original firmware, and not the emergency (black and white) disk mode?
11:31:11spiorfi am _sure_, it asks me the language everytime
11:31:28linuxstbAnd you're running the official bootloader?
11:31:56spiorfmaybe an old one
11:32:10spiorfi don't remember the last time i updated the bootloader
11:33:00linuxstbThere are possibly patched bootloaders around that start the Apple firmware on the Nano when USB is inserted - the disk mode in the Apple firmware is much faster that the emergency disk mode on the Nano.
11:33:32ddaltonwhat get_action function do I use to find out what button was pressed? (in the wps)
11:33:44ddaltonwhat arguments do I need to suply?
11:33:49ddaltonsupply
11:34:25spiorflinuxstb, should i use ipodpatcher from svn or the precompiled one?
11:34:37ddaltonLinusN: do you know?
11:34:53linuxstbspiorf: The precompiled one - it has tested and known-working bootloaders embedded in it.
11:35:13safetydandoes lowlight have commit access?
11:35:23linuxstbYes
11:37:47LinusNddalton: the whole point of the action framework is that you aren't supposed to care which button triggered the action
11:38:17ddaltonLinusN: so what is button = get_action for?
11:38:38pixelmadoes someone have an idea how (or if at all) the build table is accessible for sdoyon?
11:38:46LinusNtha variable name is a remnant from the days where we used button_get() instead
11:39:07barrywardellJdGordon: I have a DS...not sure how worthwhile Rockbox would be on it though. Mine has the option to play mp3's off a microSD, but I've never bothered with it
11:39:10spiorflinuxstb, it doesn't find the ipod
11:39:11ddaltonpixelma: do you mean the current build page?
11:39:43LinusNddalton: the user interface code is based on actions, and the keymaps map buttons to actions
11:39:56linuxstbAnyone know anything about the Nellymoser audio codec? There's now a patch for a decoder in ffmpeg...
11:40:19linuxstbspiorf: Are you running as root/Administrator?
11:40:22pixelmaddalton: I mean the table behind this link http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi - that tells if there are failed builds/warnings for all the targets after a commit
11:40:30spiorflinuxstb, yeah
11:40:50linuxstbspiorf: Are you on Linux or Windows?
11:40:57spiorflinux
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11:41:21linuxstbIf you type "fdisk -l", does your ipod appear? (you should be able to tell by the disk capacity)
11:41:42pixelmaddalton: especially the first one of the two
11:41:55spiorflinuxstb, yeah it is found
11:42:12barrywardellare we going to release a new sansapatcher now that jhMikeS has fixed the bootloader OF loading?
11:42:22linuxstbCan you post the ipod section of the output to http://pastebin.ca ?
11:42:29ddaltonwhat does the 0 mean?
11:42:46pixelmano errors
11:42:46LinusNddalton: zero errors or warnings
11:43:07spiorflinuxstb, http://pastebin.ca/731695
11:43:07linuxstbbarrywardell: Are you volunteering? ;)
11:43:15ddaltonlooks to be accessible but he is using braille and a linux box. (I hope to be soon)
11:43:30ddaltonwhat info should I be able to find out there?
11:43:40linuxstbspiorf: Why uba ?
11:44:06spiorfevery usb thing here shows up as /dev/ub*
11:44:10ddaltonLinusN: So how do I detect if a button is being pressed in a function? Fast forwarding
11:44:15ddaltonthat is the button
11:44:15linuxstbipodpatcher should work if you just type "ipodpatcher /dev/uba" - it only looks for sd[a-z] devices.
11:44:28pondlifeAnyone tested the insert next fix at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7898 ?
11:44:31barrywardellI can build them, but only for macos, linux, 64-bit linux. don't know what's involved for windows
11:44:44linuxstbWhich Linux distro are you using?
11:45:09spiorflinuxstb, it seems ot work: should i remove the bootloader and reinstall it, or just install the new one over the old one?
11:45:12linuxstbthat question was to both barrywardell and spiorf ;)
11:45:13spiorfarchlinux
11:45:25linuxstbspiorf: You should just be able to install over the top.
11:45:50pixelmaddalton: it'll tell you if there was something wrong with your commit e.g. if your commit caused errors on one (or more) of the targets, maybe even let the build fail
11:46:01ddaltonis that all?
11:46:18linuxstbbarrywardell: Releases should also be tagged in SVN - I added some notes about that on the UsingSVN page
11:46:40barrywardelllinuxstb: I have gentoo 64bit and 32 bit
11:47:00ddaltonpixelma: I can tell: -time and date -errors or warnings -player
11:47:02linuxstbbarrywardell: On Debian, you install the mingw32 cross-compiler and then do "make sansapatcher.exe"
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11:47:27barrywardellI also have vista and xp, but no dev environment set up
11:47:29spiorfsorry to keep bugging you, but now it starts rockbox when connected, but rockbox is freezed
11:47:44ddaltonremember I am on windows though and he is on linux so technology is completely different. But I am pretty sure it should work for him.
11:47:54ddaltonaccessible software packages I mean
11:48:06spiorfit turns light on and off regularly, but cant use menus
11:48:14LinusNddalton: we do it by defining an action that uses the REPEAT attribute, so the action event is resent every repeat interval until the button is release, which triggers the ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK action
11:48:53pixelmaddalton: thanks for the info
11:48:54barrywardelllinuxstb: thanks. I'll look ino it.
11:48:57linuxstbspiorf: Hmm, some people report that - it seems to be a bug that appears and disappears with different Rockbox builds.
11:49:12linuxstb(I don't experience it on my Color though...)
11:49:14delYsidP#7704 updated.
11:49:24LinusNddalton: the actions in question are ACTION_WPS_SEEKFWD, ACTION_WPS_SEEKBACK and ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK
11:49:28ddaltondelYsid: what was done/
11:49:31ddalton?
11:49:54ddaltonok linusN I will keep trying :-)
11:49:58delYsidddalton: justed synced with svn.
11:50:03spiorflinuxstb, for now i can live with that, at least i don't have to delete 4 dirs everytime
11:50:16ddaltondelYsid: ok
11:50:25LinusNddalton: so you don't need to do anything to detect if the button is still pressed, all you do is wait for the ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK action
11:50:39LinusNthen you know the seek is done
11:50:40spiorflinuxstb, thank you for the help
11:50:58linuxstbbarrywardell: If you give me the bootloaders, I can build the .exe. Also, don't forget to bump the version number (in main.c)
11:51:19ddaltonLinusN: so that is only executed once you let go of the fast forward button?
11:51:26LinusNyes
11:52:21barrywardelllinuxstb: I'll try getting them to compile myself first, if not I'll take you up on that offer :)
11:53:02LinusNthe wps code traps the SEEKFWD and SEEKBACK actions and calls the ffwd_rew function (which is in gui/gwps-common.c), which waits for the STOPSEEK action
11:54:09ddaltonLinusN: what file is "ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK " in?
11:54:36LinusNit is defined in the keymap file, and is trapped in gui/gwps.c
11:54:59LinusNsorry, trapped in gui/gwps-common.c
11:56:51ddaltonThanks linusN found it
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12:09:08barrywardelllinuxstb: do I just bump the bootloaders to 3.0?
12:09:37linuxstbYes, why not.
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12:09:49linuxstbI think we're up to v6 or v7 for the h140
12:10:50*JdGordon hopes to have some time to work on the e200r installer tomorow
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12:11:12JdGordon... that wasntme saying we should hold of releasing a new sansapatcher untill then though
12:11:14ddaltonI am trying to install quilt on to cygwin so I can manage patches more easily. So how do I extract a .tar.tar file in linux?
12:11:42linuxstbJdGordon: The e200r installer is completely independent to sansapatcher
12:11:47ddaltonLinusN: how did you learn where everything is in the rockbox source?
12:11:48GodEater_the same way you'd extract any .tar file
12:12:06GodEater_ddalton: because he wrote lots of it ?
12:12:09ddaltonGodEater_: how do you extract one I don't no the command
12:12:10ddaltonknow
12:12:19barrywardelllost of 64-bit warnings in sansapatcher
12:12:21JdGordonlinuxstb: yes.. and no... :p
12:12:23GodEater_ddalton: tar xf your_tar_file.tar
12:12:31linuxstbJdGordon: Why no?
12:12:38ddaltonok he just seems to know just about everything
12:12:50ddaltonthanks
12:13:01LinusNddalton: i've been involved in the coding since the beginning of the project, so i've had my hands in almost every file
12:13:14JdGordonlinuxstb: well, if it can detect a r from a non r then it could do the whole thing (well, the sending the program across anyway)
12:13:28ddaltonLinusN: ok so what should new comers do? just keep coding?
12:13:39LinusNddalton: yes, basically
12:13:44ddaltonand they will hopefully learn all the lay out?
12:13:46JdGordonjust keep swimming... just keep swimming... :p
12:14:02delYsidddalton: `grep' is your friend if you are looking through source code...
12:14:16linuxstbJdGordon: But (on Windows at least), it requires the user to install libusb - we don't want to make users of non-R Sansas do that. I think it's simpler to just keep it as a separate install utility. (rbutil will eventually incorporate both anyway).
12:14:18barrywardellany suggestions on how to fix these warnings for 64-bit: "format '%08llx' expects type 'long long unsigned int', but argument 3 has type 'loff_t'"? just a cast is ok?
12:14:19ddaltonI know I just need to buy a linux box :-)
12:15:02JdGordonlinuxstb: ok, i guess so
12:15:56linuxstbbarrywardell: Maybe just remove that output?
12:17:03barrywardellbut they're important debug messages
12:17:45JdGordonjust leave them as is...
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12:34:53pondlifeLinusN: Bootloader versions... that reminds me, what's holding up a new H300 bootloader release?
12:35:03pondlifeJust petur's H380?
12:35:10LinusNnot really
12:35:24barrywardelldon't have my sansa's data cable with me. I'll have to leave this until later when I can test it.
12:35:32LinusNi'm am thinking about removing the charging in the bootloader
12:35:50pondlifeWhy would that be? It seems to work fine.
12:35:59LinusNcar adapter mode
12:36:06pondlifeAh, gotcha
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12:36:24ddaltonis 0 ok in rockbox and 1 an error?
12:36:25pondlifeSo it could be put back in when/if we get the EEPROM settings.
12:36:27LinusNbut i need to verify if the player can load rockbox with a flat battery
12:36:45pondlifeI suspect it can't...
12:37:02pondlifeI think I've had that happen on an old bootloader.
12:37:15pondlifeCurrent SVN is nice from that respect.
12:37:18ddaltonwhat does return -1 mean?
12:37:22ddaltonan error?
12:37:33digitalspaghettihey can anyone help, i'm having problems getting my ipod to work correctly in Ubuntu and get rockbox to install. It's my gf's old ipod mini, and it has the name ALEX'S IPOD, mounted at /media/ALEX'S IPOD. I can't find a way to rename it, and I can't get the auto-installer or the patch to recognise it
12:37:34pondlifeddalton: Depends on the function!
12:37:50digitalspaghettiI also see in the cli patcher, it gives me [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode
12:38:00pondlifeddalton: Each function has different return codes.
12:38:04digitalspaghettibut i can see it on my desktop
12:38:07ddaltonPondlife: one I am writing returns int
12:38:46pondlifeWell, if you're writing it, you can define the return codes.. Typically 0 = success though (I think).
12:38:57pondlifeOr return a bool, if it's a true/false type thing
12:39:14digitalspaghettiis there a way to change the mountpoint to just /media/ipod ?
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12:41:39LinusNddalton: we usually return negative numbers on error
12:41:50ddaltonLinusN: ok
12:44:40digitalspaghettiAhh, ok - figured something out. can someone help here, this is the output of fdisk -l : http://dev.pastemonkey.org/paste/470cacee-ec94-487b-bb21-177c404fdb0d
12:45:21digitalspaghettiwhen i do ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdg2 i get [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod and /dev/sdg1 i get [ERR] Bad boot sector signature
12:46:32linuxstbdigitalspaghetti: You should do "./ipodpatcher /dev/sdg"
12:46:53linuxstbdigitalspaghetti: ipodpatcher doesn't care about the mount point - it just needs the raw "whole disk" device
12:47:20digitalspaghettiahh, ok - now I get [ERR] Unknown version number in firmware (00000000)
12:47:36linuxstbDoes the Apple firmware work?
12:47:55digitalspaghettiyea, it's a working ipod, dunno if it's the latest firmware though
12:48:02digitalspaghettii just got it today, it's my gf's old one
12:49:42linuxstbThat's odd. I would suggest upgrading it to the latest Apple firmware, just to make sure that the firmware partition is in a good state. In Linux, you can do that by following steps 2-4 here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore
12:50:36linuxstbBut I would also be interested in seeing a copy of your firmware partition - you can back it up by doing something like "dd if=/dev/sdg1 | gzip -9 > backup.bin.gz"
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12:52:26digitalspaghettilinuxstb, k it's about 20mb, i'll upload it to my server
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12:57:07linuxstbdigitalspaghetti: Thanks.
12:57:54digitalspaghettihmm weird
12:58:08digitalspaghettithe auto installer now auto-recognises my mount point and type of ipod
12:58:17digitalspaghettibut when i then try install, it says no ipod found :/
12:58:23linuxstbIt's probably just cached from the last time you used rbutil.
12:58:33linuxstb(I assume you selected it manually)
12:58:42digitalspaghettiahh, ok
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13:02:46digitalspaghettihmm, could it be i've picked the wrong generation of ipod?
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13:03:10linuxstbipodpatcher doesn't let you pick - it detects automatically.
13:03:24digitalspaghettiahh, ok
13:03:42digitalspaghettiso it doesn't depend of what .rockbox i've installed on my ipod
13:04:47linuxstbrbutil may use that, but ipodpatcher doesn't. I would suggest just sticking with ipodpatcher - if that doesn't work, rbutil won't either (rbutil uses ipodpatcher, then adds more on top).
13:05:14digitalspaghettihmm i've got vista on another partition, maybe i should see if I can format the ipod and make sure it's up to date
13:05:43linuxstbJust follow that link I gave you to upgrade the firmware from Linux - it's simply a matter of downloading it, and using dd to write it to /dev/sdg1
13:05:54GodEater_using vista will likely cause you even more problems...
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13:11:54digitalspaghettilinuxstb, digitalspaghetti.me.uk/backup.bin.gz">http://dev.digitalspaghetti.me.uk/backup.bin.gz
13:12:24digitalspaghettioh wait, hmm
13:12:49digitalspaghettiahh, it went into a subdir: digitalspaghetti.me.uk/password/backup.bin.gz">http://dev.digitalspaghetti.me.uk/password/backup.bin.gz
13:14:19linuxstbdigitalspaghetti: Thanks, downloaded.
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13:14:59linuxstbdigitalspaghetti: That's not a mini, that's a 2nd generation Nano...
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13:16:43digitalspaghettiyea, i got the correct firmware for it downloading
13:16:49digitalspaghetti(29.1.1.3)
13:17:07linuxstbHave you read the front page of the Rockbox website? Where it lists the devices Rockbox works on?
13:18:52digitalspaghettiahh, ok :(
13:19:08digitalspaghettilooks like i'll just have to convert all my oggs then :(
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13:19:22anarchoVeganHi everyone!
13:20:28digitalspaghettiohh sound juicer makes acc files
13:21:02ddaltonLinusN: what do I need to do to get svn access? Write good patches and wait?
13:22:42anarchoVegandoes anyone know why my apple partition in my ipod is empty? it worked for a few days but then for some reason everything disapeared from the apple partition so i can't view any videos now :(
13:23:26linuxstbanarchoVegan: You mean that the Apple firmware can't see your videos, or Rockbox can't see any files?
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13:23:54anarchoVeganApple firmware is completely empty
13:24:09GodEater_anarchoVegan: how would you know ?
13:24:19anarchoVegani rebooted into it
13:24:42GodEater_that doesn't mean it's empty
13:24:43linuxstbanarchoVegan: That sounds like an issue with the Apple firmware - Rockbox doesn't touch any of the files used by the Apple firmware.
13:24:50anarchoVeganbut when I go into the ipod_control folder in the ipod on the computer, all the files seem to be there
13:25:12anarchoVeganalthough they have letter names like GTPQ AND JDFQ
13:25:15anarchoVeganooh ok
13:25:19GodEater_anarchoVegan: find something which will rebuild the iTunesDB on the ipod then
13:25:46anarchoVeganok thanks for the advice :D
13:26:10anarchoVeganumm
13:26:16anarchoVeganis there a way to do that in Linux?
13:26:48linuxstbI expect gtkpod can do it, but discussion of Apple's firmware is off-topic for #rockbox
13:26:55anarchoVeganok
13:27:57digitalspaghettilinuxstb, is the cause of rockbox not working on a 2nd gen nano known?
13:28:19digitalspaghettii.e. is there a workaround in action, or someone needed to try work it out?
13:28:24linuxstbThe "cause" is that it's completely new hardware and no-one has ported Rockbox to it.
13:28:56digitalspaghettiis the svn public for read access?
13:28:59linuxstbRockbox doesn't work by accident, it takes months/years of hard work to port to a new target.
13:29:38pondlifeHmm, it'd be good if things did work by accident more often....
13:29:42Zagordigitalspaghetti: svn.rockbox.org
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13:29:54digitalspaghettioh of course, i understand, i am a programmer
13:30:04digitalspaghettibut it doesn't hurt to have a look
13:30:15GodEater_I suspect you're a programmer on documented hardware however...
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13:31:52digitalspaghettii also know how to read code for non-documented
13:31:57GodEater_digitalspaghetti: without wishing to seem rude - we've had to explain why Rockbox on the 2G is really hard a LOT. Have a look in our forums at the Nano 2G thread for all the reasons.
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13:32:16GodEater_it contains all the answers
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13:36:18pixelmawould a wiki page to point people too be handy?
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13:36:26pixelmas/too/to
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13:39:21deucehi there
13:39:47deucejust need a little help
13:40:56*pixelma waits for the question... ;)
13:41:20deuceok thank you
13:41:33deucei just installed rockbox on my ipod mini
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13:41:47deucedid anything just like the manual says
13:42:04deucethen i connected to my pc again to load some music
13:42:45deucethe ipod screen shows an usb plug but the pc did not find it
13:43:11deucenow the usb plug does not vanish....and no buttons on my ipod work
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13:44:09pixelmaok, that happens with some rockbox builds - then you need to reset the Ipod and put it into disk mode manually
13:44:37deuceyeah...reset would be menu+select but it does not work
13:44:55GodEater_<pantomime mode>Oh yes it does
13:45:12deuceyes it does now
13:45:15deuceim sorry
13:45:32deucei swear it did not before (and i know the funktionality of "hold")
13:46:27deucethanks very much.....could you tell me how i get the disk mode pls
13:46:44deucei know i should look into the manual but it is easier that way
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13:47:09pixelmanot for us ;)
13:47:31deuceyeah ur right
13:47:46deucesorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your help
13:47:55pixelmabut select + play after the reboot itwas I think
13:48:11deuce^^thx
13:48:13GodEater_immediately after
13:48:28GodEater_I'm not even certain that's *in* the manual
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13:48:44GodEater_since we assume a "working" rockbox in the manual
13:48:52pixelmamaybe it's in the Apple manual? :D
13:49:02GodEater_doubt it
13:49:11digitalspaghettiGodEater_ fair enough on your last point, but it doesn't hurt to have a look and see if I can help
13:49:15deuceyes now it works
13:49:43GodEater_digitalspaghetti: the forum thread will help you understand why "just having a look" will avail you nothing
13:51:06deuceok everything is fine so thanks again
13:51:23deucehave a nice life if we do not meet again^^
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13:52:19amiconnGodEater: The reset and diskmode combos are in the apple manual for the 1st/2nd gen
13:52:27amiconnDunno about later models
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13:52:33GodEater_wasn't in my Video manual
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13:54:47ddaltonLinusN: what file displays the elapsed time?
13:54:51ddaltonin the wps
13:55:55LinusNddalton: gwps-common.c, the function is surprisingly called draw_progressbar
13:56:05LinusNif that is what you mean
13:59:23ddaltonLinusN: does this sound something like it? state->id3->elapsed
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14:00:31LinusNddalton: the code that returns the elapsed time to the WPS parser is in the get_token_value function, in gui/gwps-common.c
14:00:50LinusNline 785
14:01:58ddaltonOk thanks
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14:18:24wedgeVis there a way to boot the original ipod os by default?
14:20:04GodEater_wedgeV: you have of course read the manual
14:20:39LinusNwedgeV: you have to modify and recompile the bootloader yourself to do that
14:20:45wedgeVthanks
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14:20:56GodEater_sorry
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14:48:52wedgeVi don't have a build environment setup, can any of you guys build the bootloader for me? (i'll send you the modified ipod.c)
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14:58:55ilovegamestahwith rockbox can i automatically sync my ipod to itunes like i used to?
14:59:15GodEater_ilovegamestah: yes
14:59:24ilovegamestahcool
14:59:58ilovegamestahcan i always restore it back to originall ipod formware?
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15:00:05ilovegamestahfirmware*
15:00:09GodEater_why would you? you can choose to boot both
15:00:17ilovegamestahi dont
15:00:25ilovegamestahoh ok
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15:00:27GodEater_but yes, should you want to - it's relatively easy
15:00:28ilovegamestahcool
15:00:57linuxstbThe fine manual has uninstall instructions (in the Installation chapter)
15:01:09ilovegamestahoh ok
15:01:13ilovegamestahcool
15:01:15ilovegamestahthanks
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15:05:45ilovegamestahwhat do i need to auto install it
15:05:55ilovegamestahi have download the build i need
15:06:08GodEater_I suggest you read the manual
15:06:27ilovegamestahyeah it says offical installer
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15:06:34ilovegamestahis that on the site?
15:06:45GodEater_it's linked directly from within the manual...
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15:27:49ilovegamestahis it required to have the fonts package?
15:30:44PaulJamit's not neccessary, but the default font is very tiny, so i would recommend installing that too.
15:31:55ilovegamestahah ok
15:32:07ilovegamestahdo i just stick in in the .rockbox directory
15:32:39ilovegamestahthe fonts folder that is
15:32:46n1syes
15:32:57PaulJamjust extract the zip to the root of your player, it contains the correct directory structure
15:32:57Junzip it though
15:33:12ilovegamestahyeah i have done that
15:33:20ilovegamestahbut what about the fotns folder
15:33:29ilovegamestahdoes fonts*
15:34:00ilovegamestahlike where does the fonts folder extract to
15:34:04ilovegamestah.rockbox?
15:34:53PaulJamif you do it correctly, all the .fnt files should be under .rockbox/fonts/
15:36:23ilovegamestahyep cool
15:36:26ilovegamestahthats where i put them
15:37:11ilovegamestahwhats a good font to use for the default theme
15:38:04ilovegamestahone other thing how do i change themes
15:38:31Jrtm I'd recommend
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15:38:44PaulJamyou should have a look at the manual
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15:41:51ilovegamestahis there a page with some sweet themes on it somewhere
15:41:58ilovegamestahthe default ones are pretty poxy
15:42:26linuxstbhttp://www.google.com/search?q=rockbox+themes
15:42:33PaulJamhttp://www.rockbox-themes.org/ but many of the themes require custom buils
15:44:23ilovegamestahwhat do you mean by that
15:44:30ilovegamestahthe build has to be edited to support the theme?
15:45:55PaulJamsome features (for example albumart) are not yet available in the official build. so a theme that uses that will not work.
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15:46:31ooshany idea when the 160 gig ipods will be supported?
15:46:57webguest48quick question . . . do i create a folder called doom in .rockbox and put the wads in there?
15:47:16ilovegamestahah ok
15:47:32ilovegamestahso i can just download the stuff with the theme to maake it work?
15:48:13ilovegamestahhe patches
15:48:14ilovegamestahthe
15:49:03linuxstboosh: New ipod = new hardware = new port, and there is no-one working on it.
15:49:24ooshawesome, cheers
15:49:33ooshi might do it this weekend
15:49:43PaulJamyou either need to build it yourself with the patches, or you can download an unsupported build which already includes these patches. look in the unsupported builds section in the forum
15:49:43linuxstbI look forward to your patches.
15:50:02oosh:)
15:50:07linuxstb;)
15:50:47linuxstboosh: Seriously - no sign of it being ported in the forseeable future. Look for different hardware if you want to use Rockbox.
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15:52:19ooshyup, understood. thanks dude
15:52:38ooshi'll just grab an 80... don't actually have an ipod, just want more storage
15:53:18linuxstbMake sure it's the old 80GB video ipod...
15:53:31LinusNand not the "classic"
15:53:55ooshoh? troulbesome I presume
15:54:25linuxstbBoth the 80GB and 160GB ipod classics are troublesome. Rockbox works fine on the older "video ipods".
15:55:00ooshthanks for the headsup, i'll hunt down the video
15:55:01ilovegamestahhow do i install patches
15:56:23linuxstbilovegamestah: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code. You apply those changes to the source code and compile your own version of Rockbox. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers for information about compiling Rockbox and working with patches.
15:58:21ilovegamestahhttp://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html
15:58:25ilovegamestahso say i wanted to install that
15:58:31ilovegamestahwhat would it require?
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16:02:01linuxstbDidn't one of MrH's recent documents describe that?
16:02:29Zagormaybe. i'll admit I didn't read them all very thoroughly.
16:03:03n1sZagor: iirc jhMikeS has uncached ram access working
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16:09:12wedgeVi just built a custom bootloader for my ipod, anyone can tell me how to install it?
16:09:38linuxstb"ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodname.ipod"
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16:13:27ambeokQuick question: is iPod nano 2th gen (such as MA497LL 8Gb black) supported?
16:13:36newbn1s: hello. Have you seen my remark about the upper limit for the for loop in the midi plugin?
16:13:43mpeccoriniambeok: nope
16:13:53n1snewb: no
16:13:54ambeokok, will it ever be?
16:14:12mpeccoriniambeok: it's not impossible, but it has proven very dificult
16:14:23ambeokthanks!
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16:14:41newbn1s: that it may be calculated on each loop iteration (but the compiler might optimize this away)
16:15:17newbn1s: I have not checked whether the compiler really does it
16:15:34n1snewb: care to explain a bit more what you have in mind?
16:17:44ilovegamestahwhat is a .wps file?
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16:18:31LinusNilovegamestah: it's a file that describes how the While Playing Screen should look like
16:18:34LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking
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16:19:53newbn1s: in a for loop, an expression is used for the upper bound (BUF_SIZE/...) −− don't remember exactly. I suggested to calculate the upper bound before entering the loop and use the var as the upper bound.
16:20:20linuxstbnewb: You mean a loop of the form: for (i=0;i<(BUF_SIZE/...);i++) { }
16:20:34n1snewb: aha, I'm pretty sure gcc optimizes that
16:20:36newblinuxstb: yes.
16:20:44linuxstbThat's optimisation 101...
16:21:03n1sanyway I can test if it makes a difference, thanks
16:21:33newblinuxstb: if you're sure then it's ok. I just don't know what gcc does regarding this
16:21:54newbn1s: just look at the generated asm code
16:22:02linuxstbI'm just assuming - you're right to question it, but it's so common, and appears everywhere in every C program I've ever seen...
16:22:04amiconnn1s: You can never be sure what gcc optimizes. Sometimes it does clever things, sometimes it's just braindead
16:22:28n1samiconn: very true
16:22:38newbn1s: BTW: I managed to hang my H120 while playing MIDI the other day. Had to use paper clip.
16:23:03n1swhat di you do to hang it?
16:23:09n1ss/di/did
16:23:48newbn1s: I can't remember exactly. I'd provide more details if I did :-/
16:24:27amiconnAnd the fact that gcc optimizes a specific construction on x86 doesn't mean it optimizes the same thing for other architectures
16:24:32n1snewb: did it hang when you pressed a button?
16:25:03newbn1s: how is midi supposed to work? If the file can't be played at 100% (too complicated, too many channels, etc.), should it play at a slower speed? Or play at proper speed but with instruments not synchronized?
16:25:16newbn1s: I think yes, but not sure
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16:25:57n1snewb: if it can't keep up it will not fill the buffer in time and will play the last buffer again, which it calls a "buffer miss"
16:27:29newbn1s: and how does manifestate audibly?
16:27:40newb*does it
16:28:18n1snewb: it will replay about 0.4 seconds of audio
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16:28:28n1sit is very easy to hear
16:29:13ilovegamestahhow do i know if i have a 64Mb g5 or a standard g5
16:29:16ilovegamestahipod
16:29:45scorche|wwhat is the storage capacity of your ipod?
16:29:56ilovegamestah30GB
16:29:58newbn1s: since I have an example where a tone is played much longer than it should. And another example where instruments are not synchronized. Both play well on PC
16:30:09scorche|wthen it is not 64MB
16:30:23ilovegamestahoh ok cheers
16:30:27XavierGrping: Linus
16:30:49XavierGrbah I meant Linus: ping
16:30:50n1snewb when it misses buffers messages will be printed on the display too, but that sounds like a regular bug :-)
16:31:17delYsidCould someone please review http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/7704?getfile=15065 and add comments to P#7704 if you find anything incorrect with this patch?
16:31:30LinusNXavierGr: better use "LinusN"
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16:31:49XavierGrLinusN: You have an H110 right?
16:31:52LinusNyes
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16:33:29XavierGrLinusN: Well I was hoping to get the flashable bootloader on it, and I asked Slasheri about it, if I understand correctly in order to enable flashing for H110 we need to enable iriver_flash plugin and define HAVE_EEPROM and HAVE_FLASH (or something like that)
16:33:47XavierGrwill you be able to test a firmware file after I get this clear with Slasheri
16:34:02LinusNsure
16:34:04XavierGrI would do it but I don't think I will be able to unbrick it if something goes wron
16:34:34XavierGrok thanks I will speak to him again to see if there is something more on it
16:35:48XavierGrthen if all goes allright it would be good to see another H1xx bootloader released with the flashing procedure officialy supported
16:36:02XavierGr(on fwpatcher)
16:36:03LinusNwould be nice, yes
16:36:09PaulJamn1s: are you interested in a midi that plays too fast at the start in rb, but plays fine on the pc?
16:36:28n1sPaulJam: sure
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16:36:33LinusNit's about time to release new bootloaders
16:36:46PaulJamn1s: http://www.dreamtheater.net/midi/surrcomp.mid
16:36:55LinusNbut that won't happen for at least 2 more weeks
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16:37:58newbLinusN: all platforms?
16:38:37LinusNnewb: h1xx and h3xx
16:39:07newbLinusN: is there a place to read about the new features? wiki?
16:39:31LinusNnewb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot
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16:40:55newbLinusN: I'm asking since I'm perfectly well with the current bootloader. And updating is a risk.
16:41:04newbAh, he's left!
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16:48:10ilovegamestahhow can i make it so that when i got to my databse it show up like the original ipod firmware instead of showing the original file names
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16:48:21ilovegamestahlike it reads the id3 tags
16:48:56linuxstbThe database does display the id3 tags. What exactly are you doing?
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16:55:13ilovegamestahhttp://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html
16:55:31ilovegamestahhow come with this it doesnt have the cool icons until you get into the now playing windows
16:56:36n1silovegamestah: what do you mean, the screenshots of that theme shows no icons in the menu
16:56:46ilovegamestahliek the battery bar and such
16:56:48ilovegamestahat the top
16:56:59ilovegamestahmy battery bar isnt like that either
16:57:07ilovegamestahits right up in the left hand corner
16:57:18n1silovegamestah: that requires some unsupported build, we don't support unsupported builds here, go ask pijulius
16:57:22ilovegamestahsee the battery bar in the now playing window
16:57:29ilovegamestahah ok
16:57:34PaulJamit just isn't possible to modify the statusbar in the menus and browsers
16:57:38ilovegamestahany good themes for supported builds
16:57:51ilovegamestahthat you know of
16:57:58ilovegamestahwith that sleek kinda look
16:58:19ilovegamestahnot the basic grey backgroud, block text like the defualt
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17:00:06ilovegamestahthe basic ipod firware theme is nice and sleek
17:01:31ilovegamestahtell me what theme do you use
17:01:38ilovegamestahjust so i can have a look at it
17:03:09GodEater_why do people who install RB on their ipods straight away want to turn it BACK into something that looks like the OF?!?!
17:03:16GodEater_if you like it that much, don't install Rockbox!!
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17:05:01PaulJampropably they dislike the OF because of the lacking features and nod because of the look
17:06:31KleviDoes anyone know if updateing the original Sansa c200 firware will take out the Rockbox bootloader?
17:06:36linuxstbilovegamestah: Have you looked at the rockbox-themes.org website?
17:07:14linuxstbKlevi: Yes, it will. The Rockbox bootloader takes the place of the Sansa firmware in the firmware partition. So you'll just need to rerun sansapatcher after upgrading.
17:08:20KleviYour sure ill be able to re-run it?
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17:11:04linuxstbNo... Which version are you upgrading to? (maybe someone else here can confirm that Rockbox works with it).
17:12:11KleviIm not sure.. i just found some Sansa Firmware Upgrade from the main site, however, since im not at home.. I cant run the program to find out.
17:12:23KleviMy school blocks allot of things being run
17:14:09pixelmaI know that low_light and me for example run different firmwares (mine's rather old 1.00.4F) and his is the latest recommended 1.01.00, I think - he had to implement slightly different routines to make rebooting into the of from running Rockbox work)
17:14:41pixelmaKlevi: the sansa of tells you its version in the system menu IIRC
17:15:59pixelmathe only restriction I know off is that the versions 1.00.5 and 6 disable msc mode so you should avoid those
17:16:16KleviI see. Thanks
17:18:17KleviFor some reason I have problems connecting the USB when theres a Mirco SD card inserted, by the way
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17:33:53ilovegamestahcan i make it so that it doesnt take me like 50 scrolls of the scroll wheel to get the volume down or up
17:34:00ilovegamestahlike the original firmware
17:35:41scorche|wwell, the OF has far fewer notches on the stick
17:36:28ilovegamestahyeah
17:36:38*pondlife whistles and wonders if someone will commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7738
17:36:41ilovegamestahthe scroll wheel settings dont seem to make a difference for me
17:36:48ilovegamestahlike the scrolling size
17:36:58ilovegamestahit seems the same even after i put it all the way up
17:37:27n1silovegamestah: those aren't scroll wheel settings
17:37:28pondlifeYou might be referring to the scrolling text settings.
17:37:41pondlifeWhich are nothing to do with scrollwheels.
17:38:12ilovegamestahah ok
17:38:19pondlifeI've heard that patch 7738 improves the scrollwheel on iPods though... GodEater?
17:38:21ilovegamestahis there anyway to adjust the sesitivity of the scroll wheel
17:38:32ilovegamestahah ok
17:39:03delYsidIs there a way to get a minimum volume setting on poweron. If I accidentally turn volume down very low before power off, I effectively lock myself out of rockbox since I need voice to navigate the menus.
17:39:28ilovegamestahhow does voive actually work
17:39:34ilovegamestahdo you need a microphone
17:39:36ilovegamestahor what
17:39:39ilovegamestahim new to this stuff
17:39:58n1silovegamestah: take a look in the manual
17:40:43n1sdelYsid: there is a way to set certain settings on boot, don't remember how you do it though...
17:41:00pondlifedelYsid: Yes, set up a config file named fixed.cfg in your .rockbox directory and it'll be applied on boot (IIRC)
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17:41:33delYsidthanks, will try.
17:42:04wizzardI installed rockbox on my IPOD and really like it; I do have a question though - can I just format the IPOD to get rid of all the garbage and then install rockbox?
17:42:38n1swizzard: why not just delete the garbage?
17:42:52wizzardwill that break anything if I delete everything except .rockbox?
17:43:13n1swizzard: it will not break anything rockbox cares about
17:43:30n1sas long as you don't delete the hidden partition
17:43:32delYsidheh
17:43:40wizzardk
17:43:53wizzardthx
17:45:00ilovegamestahwhat theme you guys like best
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17:45:07ilovegamestahi need a nice one with album art
17:45:21pondlifeRockbox doesn't do album art
17:45:34pondlifeNot without an unsupported patch.
17:45:44ilovegamestahand you guys dont support that right?
17:45:54pondlifeNo.
17:46:00ilovegamestahit would be a nice feature if it nativley supported that
17:46:05ilovegamestahthough
17:46:07pondlifeWe are planning it
17:46:16ilovegamestahso you code for it do you?
17:46:22pondlifeA little
17:46:25ilovegamestahah ok\
17:46:27pondlifeA very little
17:46:30ilovegamestahhehehe
17:46:45pondlifeThe current album art patch isn't very efficient in it's use of memory.
17:46:59ilovegamestahah ok
17:47:01ilovegamestahcan you install custom fonts?
17:47:06pondlifeYes
17:47:07ilovegamestahsay like ipodwizard
17:47:11pondlifeNo idea
17:47:36ilovegamestahhow do i get a windows font to a .fnt file
17:47:46pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts might help
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17:48:00ilovegamestahok cheers mate
17:48:44pondlifeTo be honest I've found the font pack gives the best results anyway.. make sure you've got it from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Fonts
17:48:56ilovegamestahyep ive got one of those however
17:49:03ilovegamestahthe fonts kinda look plain
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17:49:15ilovegamestahsomething like a smaller version of the original ipod font would be nice
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17:49:31pondlifeWell, converted fonts aren't always that clear, in my limited experience
17:49:36ilovegamestahah ok
17:49:38ilovegamestahi see
17:49:44pondlifeTry it though
17:49:53PaulJamilovegamestah: aren't the nimbus fonts similar to the ipod font?
17:50:18ilovegamestahthats what im using now
17:50:21ilovegamestahkinda
17:50:41ilovegamestahnot exactly
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17:51:10ilovegamestahanother nice feature in the next builds would be the abilty to change the menu battery bars and stuff like that
17:51:33ilovegamestahif they could be changed i would be in love with this software :), not that i arent already
17:53:01n1silovegamestah: patches are welcome ;-)
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17:54:24pondlifeHmm anyone managed to build a SAPI voice under Cygwin recently?
17:54:35pondlife"Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /home/Steve/rockbox/tools/voice.pl line 96."
17:55:06pondlifeLooks like I may need to re-install SAPI.
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18:01:01GodEater_if you will insist on using this dodgy OS of yours....
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18:04:41pondlifeNope, it's not the OS, or SAPI... :(
18:07:49pixelmaI was able to build a SAPI5 voice under cygwin on September 22th - had a bit of trouble when I chose a different voice in a build directory with a different voice file already present, a 'make clean' fixed that. Haven't tried since then though
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18:13:08pondlifepixelma: Seems to be ok with MS Mary, but doesn't like LH Michael... both are SAPI5 AFAIK
18:13:17ilovegamestahdoes this have support for videos and poscasts?
18:13:28ilovegamestahlike the origibal ipod
18:14:04ilovegamestahformware
18:14:04krazykitilovegamestah, read the manual about video support, and podcasts are just normal music files
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18:14:20ilovegamestahnah like video podcasts i mean sorry
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18:14:57krazykitif you convert them to mpeg2 like the documentation says. regardless, you can easily boot into the original firmware to watch them there if you want to use itunes to sync.
18:14:58pondlifeHmm, reinstalled MS Reader and now it works...
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18:18:59wellyhi guys
18:19:08wellyI can't get rockbox installed for love nor money
18:19:20wellyi just tried with the rbutil
18:19:36ilovegamestahso basically i just use the standard ipod firmware for videos and video podcasts
18:19:56ilovegamestahit would be easier right
18:19:57wellyand when it boots up, it reports 'can't load rockbox.ipod'
18:21:36wellythis is on an ipod 80gb
18:22:09krazykitilovegamestah, for video related stuff, yes, the original firmware is generally preferable on the ipod.
18:22:16pixelmawelly: sounds like you missed the step about installing the firmware...
18:22:27wellyafter formating as fat32, i chose the installation tab, clicked on install the bootloader, install rockbox
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18:22:33wellypixelma: hmm ok hold on, will check that
18:22:44Bam2550Hello
18:23:02krazykitwelly, you formatted fat32 using itunes?
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18:23:18wellykrazykit: no, using mtools
18:23:46Bam2550What do they mean by "releases"?
18:23:51wellyok, am starting again (using rbutil again!)
18:23:52krazykityou're running linux, then, welly?
18:23:56wellykrazykit: os x
18:24:06krazykitah. what instructions did you follow?
18:24:19wellykrazykit: this one: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
18:24:27pixelmahmm... there was something about mtools and especially the 80GB models...
18:24:39wellypixelma: yeah, saw that and i've taken that into account
18:25:08wellymaybe i should try the manual installation
18:25:10wellyi'll try that now in fact
18:25:50pixelmawelly: did you have a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 ?
18:26:29wellypixelma: yep, done that and it's formatted. it's at the installation stage i look to be having a problem. i'm going to go through the manual installation instructions and give that a go
18:26:40wellyjust reformatting now
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18:31:44Bam2550Whats the difference between a current build and a release?
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18:33:19krazykitBam2550, the last release was 2.5. unless you're using one of those players and need something stable, use a current release
18:33:26krazykiter, current build
18:34:07Bam2550Yeah but what is the difference?
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18:37:28krazykitBam2550, 2.5 is rather old and only supports a few players. the current build has all the latest features and such. if you really want more, read this outline: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
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18:38:40Bam2550Well i know its old and stuff. But why dont they make the current build into releases?
18:39:07scorche|wbecause the current build is not release ready
18:39:20Bam2550What does release ready mean? no bugs, ect?
18:39:23scorche|w(among other reasons...)
18:39:37Crash91No USb support on Sansa for example
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18:39:54Crash91a release should be able to replace a FW
18:40:11Crash91which rockbox isnt able to due to several reasons...
18:40:14Bam2550k
18:42:26wellysweet.. it's installed now
18:43:37Bam2550You know when RockBox starts up with that picture? that says RockBox ect. Is there a way to change that to match the theme
18:43:37Bam2550?
18:44:11ChrononSure, you just have to edit the correct bitmap in the sources and compile your own build
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18:44:47wellyI have a file on my ipod called ipodControl. Any ideas what this is?
18:45:16Chrononwelly, a folder you mean?
18:45:37Bam2550Chronon, do you have any idea what bitmap it is? or maybe what folder it is in?
18:45:42wellyChronon: oh it could be yeah
18:45:55Chrononwelly, it contains resources used by the Apple firmware
18:46:25wellyChronon: best to keep it then? should I want to go back to the apple firmware
18:46:59Bam2550umm
18:47:00ChrononBam2550, there's a bitmap folder that contains the splash screen image. I forget the exact path at the moment. But it's not too hard to find if you check out the source tree.
18:47:05Bam2550welly: that has your music on it
18:47:10Bam2550Welly: im pretty sure
18:47:18wellyBam2550: ok, well i've got no music on this at all at the moment
18:47:23krazykitBam2550, i think it's apps/bitmaps/native, or soemthing to that effect
18:47:34Chrononkrazykit, that sounds right
18:47:35krazykitwelly, ipodcontrol holds your music IF you sync via itunes
18:47:44wellykrazykit: ok cool
18:48:32Chrononbbl
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19:03:38Crash91people...can anyone help me with setting up cygwin/svn in windows
19:03:56Tanuvasvn: tortoisesvn
19:05:12Crash91ok so i install cygwin+tortoise svn and im good to go?
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19:06:05bertrikyou can also install subversion as part of cygwin installation, and use both cygwin subversion and tortoise
19:06:24Crash91ok thanks
19:07:55Crash91OMG!
19:08:14Tanuvaoh, you believe in god?
19:08:15Crash91microsoft has a private ROAD
19:08:22Crash91
19:08:23Crash91Microsoft Corporation
19:08:23Crash91One Microsoft Way
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19:08:31Crash91Redmond...
19:08:38Tanuvadidnt you know that?
19:08:53Crash91i knew it was in redmond...didnt know about theyre own street!
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19:09:04Diamondiceman200Hi
19:09:30Crash91hi
19:09:32Diamondiceman200I wonder if rockbox will work on the new iPod Touch!
19:09:33Diamondiceman200hi Crash91
19:09:37Tanuvamany big companies have own roads
19:09:40Diamondiceman200I have the 60gb Video
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19:10:03TanuvaDiamondiceman200: it doesnt yet
19:10:13Diamondiceman200lol i know, was just saying
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19:10:24Tanuvaokay... ^^
19:10:28Diamondiceman200I would be keen to put Rockbox on my iPod if the recording function was working
19:10:41Diamondiceman200and if it didn't stutter when usin the equaliser
19:10:47Crash91many people have asked...the ipod touch requires a huge amount of drivers
19:10:57Crash91youll need touch screen drivers...
19:11:27Crash91and rockbox isnt really adapted to touch screen...i mean how many buttons does the damn thing have
19:11:30Crash91one?
19:11:44Tanuvayes
19:11:46Tanuvafor main menu
19:12:08Crash91-.- apple and their style..everyone is brainwashed honestly...
19:12:10n1sCrash91: buttons and touchscreen are small problems compared to the encryption and totally undocumented SOC
19:12:36Crash91n1s:true...
19:12:48Tanuvasoc?
19:13:00n1sSystem-On-a-Chip
19:13:15Crash91anyway....we would have to redesign the rockbox UI if we even want it to do basic stuff
19:13:17Tanuvaaha
19:13:50n1salso btw there is a port being developed for the mrobe 500 which has a touchscreen
19:14:11Crash91oo
19:14:32Crash91how is it gonna be used...and im confident it has more than ONE button..
19:15:15Tanuvaone could do many things with such touch device, but implementing it alternatively to the current interface would be hard imho
19:15:34Diamondiceman200but the iPod Touch is much too sexy to put down. I held one today
19:16:03*Crash91 concurs with Tanuva
19:16:29Crash91Diamondiceman200: Well is it your friends?
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19:16:46bgmrkhello hello
19:16:51Crash91Diamondiceman200: i suggest looking at the scratches on the screen after a month...
19:17:00Crash91hi hi
19:17:21bgmrkso i installed this thing called rockbox
19:17:23bgmrkgot it all working
19:17:35bgmrknething i can add to it?
19:18:02Crash91what do you mean add?
19:18:05Crash91like themes?
19:18:45bgmrka theme adds? just a new gui?
19:20:07Crash91well looks better...
19:20:17bgmrkkk
19:20:25Tanuvanot a "new" gui, but another theme for the existing one
19:20:29Crash91rockbox-themes.org
19:20:32bgmrkkk
19:21:34Crash91guys...im installing cygwin....what should i select to download
19:21:58bgmrkthese themes only apply to music playing through rockbox?
19:22:18Crash91no
19:22:24Crash91you can change the font and icons...
19:22:43bgmrkok
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19:24:10Crash91guys...im installing cygwin....what should i select to download
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19:26:29TanuvaCrash91: build-related tools would be useful - gcc, make, autotools maybe
19:26:42*markun sends greetings from New York
19:26:50Tanuva(though I havent built under windows)
19:27:08*Tanuva greets markun from Buxtehude (GER)
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19:27:56peturmarkun: extra holiday after gsoc summit?
19:28:20Crash91 how do i decrypt the newer sansa firmware? 1.03.07P...
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19:32:20Domonokycrash, please read a bit in the wiki.. those cygwin questions are all already answered in the wiki..
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19:32:51markunpetur: indeed :)
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19:39:31pixelmamarkun: turned out that you all could have met [IDC]Dragon last weekend... (in case you haven't read this night's log yet)
19:41:14scorche|wmarkun: you should send me some pics so i can put them up on scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/gsoc ...i will be putting some pics i find around the net of us up there too
19:41:36*scorche|w wasnt happy that he missed the dragon =/
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19:42:31markunscorche|w: I'll send them when I get back
19:43:16markunpixelma: didn't read that yet :(
19:43:20Crash91can anyone please tell me how to install some packages i require for cygwin (i didnt install them the first time around)
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19:43:36rasherCrash91: re-run setup.exe
19:43:53Crash91rasher:thank you
19:46:27Nico_Pscorche|w: your photos don't load :(
19:46:35troxordoes anyone have any tips for 'updating' a patch to work with another build? i.e., I'm trying to get the album art patch to apply to svn trunk, but my meager attempts at hacking the patch ranges has proven unsuccessful so far.
19:47:16troxoris there usually anything besides manually copy/pasting the changes and re-diffing that the mighty original patch makers do to streamline this?
19:47:27scorche|wNico_P: they do here....they are just of our aux-in cable :)
19:47:32Nico_Ptroxor: best is to apply the patch and then manually apply the rej files
19:47:53troxorNico_P: oh yeah, that won't be hard- thanks!
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19:48:07Nico_Ptroxor: or to svn up to the rev the patch was made for and then svn up to the current
19:48:34Nico_Pthat can be easier because svn up will do more work for you than patch and will mark the conflicts for you
19:49:37Nico_P(when I say more work I mean better merging work, so less rejects/conflicts)
19:50:16Nico_Pscorche|w: it's strange, the index page loads fine but the pics just don't load
19:51:09troxorNico_P: oh nifty- that's even nicer
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19:52:48amiconnNico_P: Really? I would expect that if a patch fails with current svn, I would get conflicts in exactly the same places with your method -> same amount of fixing
19:53:12ilovegamestahhow come most themes have customised battery bars ect in the now playing window but not on the main menu
19:53:19Nico_Pamiconn: no, svn merges a bit better... I experieced it with the langv2 patch
19:53:29amiconnStrange...
19:53:36Nico_Pit was unsyncable with the rejs
19:54:08bgmrki've seeen people asking questions about gba games...whats the best gba emulator to use?
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19:54:15scorche|wNico_P: that is a bit strange...as i said, they load fine here which is on my work computer
19:54:32Nico_Pscorche|w: I'm probably too far away from your server
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20:06:41Lars_GHi all.
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20:07:15Lars_GQuestion, what are the red and yellow i've seen mentioned in the svn commits as of late?
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20:07:59josh04Hey
20:08:49josh04I compiled from svn last night, and now no themes apart from the default ones work. Is this intentional? I couldn't see any mention of it on the forums.
20:09:04rasherLars_G: Colors in the build table (http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi) indicating failure or warnings during builds. The fact that they're used as commit messages is a mistake if you ask me
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20:09:10Nico_Pamiconn: what might've you missed ?
20:09:53amiconn[19:46:27] <Nico_P> scorche|w: your photos don't load :( <== I didn't notice an url for those?
20:10:16Nico_P[19:41] <scorche|w> markun: you should send me some pics so i can put them up on scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/gsoc ...i will be putting some pics i find around the net of us up there too
20:12:08amiconnAh, hmm
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20:12:35amiconnNeither a http:// prefix nor staring with www. - hence the URL grabber didn't mark it as an url
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20:13:07Nico_Psame here, not very practical :/
20:14:53amiconnThe pictures load for me, btw
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20:21:37josh04^^^ - and I compiled with the album art patch. Which is probably crucial, now that I think about it.
20:21:53krazykityou probably need bmpresize as well
20:22:19krazykitmany of the AA themes seem to require both
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20:26:39Lars_Gah ok
20:26:39Lars_Grasher: yes, it's kind of vague
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20:27:25rasherThe commit message should be a description of what's changed with the code, really. "Ooops" or "Fix yellow" doesn't really tell anything when looking back, 2 months from now
20:31:12amiconnYou could check previous commits (by svn revision)
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20:33:57rasheramiconn: this still doesn't help me figure out what exactly the fix does (it isn't always an obvious typo or such)
20:34:19amiconnI agree it could be better...
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20:38:11rasherWell it's a minor point. Just something I'd been noticing
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20:46:13Nico_Prasher: doesn't the diff speak for itself most of the time ?
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20:47:07rasherSometimes it does, but still it just seems like a bad practice
20:47:16Nico_PI do agree
20:48:05Nico_Pdamn, pondlife is never here when I have good news to give him
20:50:03*n1s wants good news too :-)
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20:50:32Nico_Pn1s: seeking now really works in my MoB branch
20:50:40Nico_Ptested against amarok on the same file
20:50:53Nico_PI do see a 10 sec difference sometimes though
20:51:07n1sNico_P: wow, that must be a major milestone :-D
20:51:30n1sso what's left except for loads of testing now?
20:51:35Nico_Pn1s: seeking in the buffer isn't, but seeking with prior rebuffering is
20:52:13Nico_Pn1s: codec change... also somehow my MPC files only play the first couple of seconds before sikkipng to the next one
20:52:33Nico_Por skipping
20:52:38linuxstbNico_P: Is your playback.c any clearer than the existing one?
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20:52:54n1sNico_P: sounds good :-) keep up the good work
20:53:15Nico_Plinuxstb: I don't really know but I assume it is... most of the buffering code is now removed. the basic structure is still the same though
20:55:20Nico_Plinuxstb: you can see the diff between my branch and a few revs old SVN here: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=treediff;h=mob;hp=master;hb=mob;hpb=master
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20:56:41linuxstbNico_P: "TYPE_ID3" ? ;)
20:57:15Nico_Plinuxstb: it holds a struct mp3entry... not my fault :p
20:57:36Nico_Pmaybe TYPE_META would be better though
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20:58:37Nico_Plinuxstb: btw, maybe you can help me about the seeking... is a 10 secs difference expected on a ~1h long seek in MP3 ?
20:58:53Nico_Pdifference between rockbox and amarok
20:58:57linuxstbIt wouldn't surprise me, but I don't use mp3s.
20:59:44rasherNico_P: which one is correct?
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21:01:18Nico_Prasher: I suppose amarok is correct and my code is less precise :)
21:01:39rasherYou never know. Would be annoying chasing a bug that ends up being in Amarok
21:02:18Nico_Pyeah, I won't spend too much tim on it but I'll at least look at how the SVN code does it... I don't use conf_preseek yet
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21:18:02Nico_Plinuxstb: do you know where I can find test tracks of various formats ?
21:18:48linuxstbmplayer has some, let me google...
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21:19:12n1shttp://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/
21:19:21*linuxstb slaps n1s for being faster
21:19:28n1s:-P
21:20:21Nico_Pthanks :)
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21:21:25Nico_PMPC files behaves strangely... for most of them I only get the first couple seconds, but there are some (at least one) that play correctly... could that be related to me not stripping th tags ?
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21:56:25Nico_Pwell codec transitions seem to work quite alright considering it's the first time I try
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22:01:23Shadowrazorhi
22:01:44bertrikhi
22:01:48ShadowrazorI have a problem with myipod 1st generation
22:02:03Shadowrazori've been using rockbox since a year and a half
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22:02:28Shadowrazorbut now rockbox is constantly crashing after a wihle
22:02:50Shadowrazori formatted the drive but that didnt helped me
22:03:27Shadowrazoris my ipod wore out?
22:04:05LloreanRockbox hasn't worked on the 1st generation iPod for a year and a half.
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22:04:35LloreanSupport for 1st and 2nd generation iPods were added only recently.
22:04:52Shadowrazorbut what is the difference then between a build of a year and a half ago and a build that was made recently
22:05:04Shadowrazor?
22:05:08LloreanLots and lots and lots and lots of things
22:05:20Shadowrazoro srry i meant a ipod nano 1st gen
22:05:35LloreanAh, you're probably experiencing the same problem many Nano owners are.
22:05:43LloreanUnfortunately nobody has solved what exactly the problem is yet.
22:05:47Shadowrazor:(
22:05:58Shadowrazorwhere can i find info about this problem?
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22:06:55Lloreanhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510
22:07:15Shadowrazorthanks
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22:25:58Klevidoes anyone know the button mappings of Rockboy on the Sansa c200?
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22:27:19KleviHowdy Pixelma, would you know the button mapping of Rockboy on our lovely Sansa? and or how to modify some settings on it so games play better/
22:27:28Klevi*?
22:28:00pixelmahaven't tried rockboy so far...
22:28:29Kleviits slow so far, choppy audio, and NONE of the buttons do anything
22:28:40LloreanKlevi: Have you tried assigning buttons in the menu?
22:28:53LloreanDoes the c200 have a hold switch?
22:28:59KleviI cant access any menu while in game
22:29:02pixelmayes
22:29:04KleviYes, but its not on
22:29:25LloreanTry flipping it on and off
22:29:28LloreanSee if that brings up a menu
22:29:55KleviNo, it doesnt.
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22:30:42pixelmahumm... I don't see any definitions for that keypad in the .c file...
22:30:53Klevilol
22:31:28Klevigood thing im nerdy enough to play the legend of Zelda on my mp3 player
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22:31:47KleviIs there a way to change Frameskip settings and or resolution?
22:32:16pixelmamight be my fault...
22:32:38Crash91Klevi: youre not the only zelda fan here...
22:32:52Klevihehe
22:33:06pixelmaKlevi: IIRC there are such settings in the menu...
22:33:15Klevipixelma, how do I set them, where are you getting these c files from anyway..?
22:33:29Kleviand ... stupid question im sure, what does IIRC mean
22:33:40pixelmaif I remember correctly
22:33:54Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk
22:34:27Klevilol... thanks =)
22:34:51pixelmaKlevi: you can't just set them, that needs a change in the source code
22:35:20Lloreanpixelma: Well, it needs defaults.
22:35:24LloreanRockboy features configurable keys
22:35:31Kleviis the framework setup for keys to be put it?
22:35:33LloreanBut it's not much good if it doesn't at least boot with a key that gets you into the menu
22:35:37Klevi*in*
22:35:46pixelmayes but to do that you need a way to get to the menu first
22:35:57Llorean:)
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22:36:33pixelmaI wonder why it even compiled without warnings at all
22:36:57Klevithe same reason that my radio doesnt like to work with rockbox, no one knows.
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22:39:11KleviIf my logic prevails then, you have a way to map keys from the source code directly, but no way for the user of the game to get to a menu and set them?
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22:44:47ashesi have US firmware, an a iriver h340. im english canadian. which of the supported firmware versions would be most suitable for me?
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22:47:15DomonokyKlevi: no, rockboy has user changeable buttons.. but it needs a default keymap.. and as the c200 port is very new.. :-)
22:47:27KleviI see.
22:47:41pixelmaKlevi: I'll have a look, hopefully an easy fix. Completely unrelated - did you find out what version your original firmware is?
22:47:52KleviIm new, Im surprised people arent biting my head off =D
22:48:06Klevioh, uh one second, I forgot to look
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22:48:57BagderKlevi: we're waiting for you to lower your guard first, then we smack ;-P
22:49:10KleviVERSION 01.01.00p
22:49:21Klevilol, Badger
22:50:51pixelmainteresting, I thought that's what low_light is running too (though I don't know what the "p" means and if that's important)
22:51:59Klevihe has the same OF as me, why is my radio giving me problems?
22:52:03Nico_PBagder: nice blog post about USB :)
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22:52:39Bagderthanks
22:52:47*petur wonders why Zagor didn't offer to mentor ac
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22:54:07Bagderwell, then was then and now is now I guess
22:54:28peturashes: any h300 version, but installing the bootloader will remove DRM from the OF for ever...
22:54:33Zagorpetur: you mean for gsoc? or now?
22:54:39peturgsoc
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22:55:03peturright now you have just taken over ;)
22:55:03ZagorI simply didn't have the time
22:55:40Zagorwell I haven't actually produced any working code yet... :)
22:55:50Zagoror released, anyway
22:55:52Bagder... and ac has vanished again
22:56:11peturhe said he would... school stuff
22:56:16Bagderok
22:56:25ashesok
22:56:43peturbut he didn't post all the code he said he had
22:56:49ashesis there an alternative to running fwpatcher.exe under wine?
22:56:57rasherashes: rbutil
22:57:03ashesk
22:57:04rasherashes: Rockbox Utility, I should say
22:58:04ashesand, im getting a new battery tommorrow. my current battery dies after about 2 minutes. should i wait until i install the new battery before installing rockbox, or is there no difference?
22:58:58rasherThat doesn't matter
22:58:59amiconnWhoah, the rockboy event code is one big mess...
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23:00:49amiconn...and it looks like rockboy won't work atm on the following targets where it's compiled for: iPod 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen, Mini 1st gen, probably iFP7xx, and Sansa c200
23:01:27Klevi..Roms emulate on the C200
23:01:37KleviWhy wouldnt it?
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23:01:51amiconnNo button actions mapped
23:02:10Klevioh I thought you meant that it literally just wont work at all
23:02:19amiconnAnother problem for playability (not emulation itself) on c200 might be the display resolution
23:02:32KleviYeah, it is really bad xD
23:02:48amiconnGameboy is 160*144, while c200 is only 132*80 - quite heavy downscaling
23:02:54KleviI was wondering if theres a way to wide screen the display to take up the whole screen?
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23:03:40amiconnThat didn't stop us to have an experimental rockboy for archos - at only 112*64, with very few fps due to its slow cpu
23:04:06KleviI noticed the sansa is prettty slow on framerate too
23:04:43Klevithat doesnt make too much sense, though, isnt DOOM heavier on a processor than a gameboy game?
23:04:54amiconnThe c200 has a weird LCD controller hookup that *is* slow - it's in fact surprising that mpeg video runs as nice as it does now
23:05:11Kleviyou can play the video on Mpeg player now/
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23:05:59Bagdergcc 4.2.2 is out
23:06:06Bagderanyone seen if it fixes the warnings?
23:06:16n1stoo bad there's no changelog :-/
23:06:29amiconnn1s: There must be a reason why...
23:06:30Bagderstorebror has it now, so I guess we'll see soon enough
23:06:42amiconnBagder: Debian unstable?
23:06:45 Quit ompaul (Client Quit)
23:06:48*amiconn checks his box
23:06:49Bagderyes
23:07:04pixelmaok, Mario works, it's a bit tiny but it's playable I'd say and a "simple" rom like that runs quite well
23:07:32LloreanKlevi: Logically you'd think Doom would require more, but remember that Rockboy isn't just running the games, it's emulating a full set of hardware, whereas Doom is compiled as native code.
23:07:56Klevimm true.
23:08:28*amiconn upgrades
23:08:30Bagdernah, warnings remain
23:08:36Klevipixelma, you can play it?
23:08:38***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:08:44Klevibtw, I need that rom >> lol
23:09:39amiconnBagder: I really wonder what's up with those warnings - the pointers are cast to exactly what the function wants
23:09:50Bagderyes, I've checked it out as well
23:09:57amiconnEven casting to void* doesn't get rid of them
23:10:03Bagderreally weird how they managed to do a regression on that
23:10:27amiconn...but passing NULL cast to the proper pointer format silences them (of course the code won't work then...)
23:10:45amiconnIt almost looks like the cast is basically ignored
23:11:00Bagderyeps
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23:11:56*amiconn wonders what would happen when a rockbox build would be triggered while a build server is halfway through a dist-upgrade
23:12:08Bagder:-)
23:12:45Nico_Phow come the warnings only appear on some builds and never the same ? different GCC versions ?
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23:13:02Bagderyes
23:13:07Bagdergcc 4.2.x apparently
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23:13:42pixelmaamiconn: shall I try? ;)
23:14:04amiconnToo late...
23:15:52*obo ponders doing a apt-get install gcc/experimental :)
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23:19:29preglowobo: any luck with piezo?
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23:21:31obonot really, I still can't get a nice click out of it without the timer
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23:34:08ashesmm
23:34:52ashesthe rockbox utility doesn't want to use the US firmware, because it's not installed, i think. it's saying 'couldn't detect firmware type'
23:34:58asheserm
23:35:06ashesdoesn't want to install the EU firmware
23:37:38n1sashes: it can not even know which firmware version you have on your player
23:37:59n1sit should work with EU, whihc bersion are you trying to patch?
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23:38:45ashesi have the H300_V130(eu).zip file, which i want to install over the US version
23:39:17n1sso you unzipped that and pointed rbutil to the hex file?
23:39:27ashesah
23:39:34ashesi pointed it at the zip
23:39:46ashessorry
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23:40:24zajacattackhey, how's the work on e200rpatcher?
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23:42:02peturho
23:42:06Bagderzajacattack: slow it seems
23:42:13bgmrkso....i used rock box a long time ago
23:42:35bgmrkand i forget how u plug ur ipod in well in rockbox but still be able to use it
23:42:45Nico_PBagder: seen my commit for the fd limit on sim ?
23:42:51Bagderyes
23:42:55Nico_Por commitS should I say
23:43:09Nico_PBagder: nothing to wrong with the change ?
23:43:17Nico_Ps/to/too
23:43:27Bagderthe only minor nit I could think of is that it duplicates the define instead of using the same one, but If figure that might not be too easily done
23:43:40Nico_Pwhich define ?
23:43:46Bagderthe fd limit
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23:44:01Bagderor did I get that wrong?
23:44:04Nico_Pah yes I thought the same but then saw MAX_PATH was duplicated the same
23:44:17Nico_Pand I didn't find a smarter way
23:44:30Bagderright
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23:52:56ashesim getting 'could not copy' error, when installing the boot loader
23:53:24ashesit said it installed correctly, so i rebooted the iriver, and saw the US version was still installed
23:53:38ashesso i retried, and now it fails to reinstall
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23:56:28zajacattackhey, how do you fix the "bulk write error" in e200tool?
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