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#rockbox log for 2007-11-16

00:00:05Lloreankugel: Just file a proper bug report. I'm going to dinner.
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00:00:23bertrikjpt9: I think my .18 OF charges up to 4.0V
00:00:28jpt9ah.
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00:00:35BoD[]ok it seems to work :)
00:00:40BoD[]rebooting...
00:00:48jpt9is there any reason rockbox can't charge it the last bit?
00:01:14BoD[]woohoo
00:01:25BoD[]:)
00:02:08bertrikjpt9: no not really, but I think hardly anyone uses rockbox for charging anyway
00:02:26jpt9oh.
00:02:34jpt9it seems kind of silly.
00:03:11jpt9it probably gives some people a bad impression... "They can't even get charging to work?"
00:03:46Bagderjpt9: feel free to fix
00:03:52jpt9hmm...
00:04:40bertrikthere isn't any kind of charging API I think
00:05:00bertrikor is there?
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00:05:39bertrikoh I see some stuff in powermgmt.h
00:07:06amiconnpowermanagement is a bit of a mess atm
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00:07:25amiconnBut we can't charge with >100mA before getting usb to work
00:07:31amiconnThat's the main problem
00:10:17bertrikjpt9: controlling the charger looks really easy, the charging itself is done by a hardware circuit. The software only needs to configure the charge parameters like voltage and current
00:10:27jpt9oh
00:10:30PaulPositionHmm.. Can't take screendumps anymore. [H10] 'system->debug->screendumps' and then plug in the usb to trigger, right?
00:10:43bertrikAnd we need to be *really* sure what those parameters are
00:11:19jpt9ah.
00:11:29jpt9so you don't have it bursting into flames and all.
00:12:09bertrikperhaps not flames, but at least too high voltage is damaging to the battery (and too high charging current probably too)
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00:13:19bertrikI've never seen more than 4.0V just after charging with the OF, but the charge controller allows charging up to a voltage of 4.25V
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00:20:05preglowif you do a makefile target that has no deps, it'll always be executed, yes? <-
00:20:23linuxstbYes
00:20:35bertrikjpt9: maybe as an intermediate step we could implement an USB device much simpler than USB mass storage, and use this to advertise our need for 500 mA
00:20:43jpt9ah.
00:20:51preglowi've got "rbspeexdec : rbspeexdec.c libspeex" on a line here, yet it consistently fails to call the libspeex target
00:21:16linuxstbCan you show your makefile?
00:21:17bertrikperhaps something like a virtual com port which is quite easy as it just uses two bulk pipes with no complicated protocol
00:21:25preglowsure
00:22:14preglowlinuxstb: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/Makefile
00:22:19preglowlinuxstb: it's tools/Makefile, look near the bottom
00:22:27preglowlinuxstb: it does try to build rbspeexenc, though
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00:23:34linuxstbI expect it's conflicting with the directory called libspeex you create
00:23:49preglowright, so i should phony it
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00:23:55linuxstbYes
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00:24:58linuxstbOr maybe better - the dependency should be libspeex/libspeex.a - that's what you're making...
00:25:00preglowlinuxstb: mno, doesn't seem like it, no
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00:25:21preglowso, i should call the libspeex target that too, i suppose?
00:25:28*preglow dislikes makefiles
00:25:35linuxstbYes, that's what I mean
00:26:06preglowlinuxstb: that got it working in a hurry
00:26:10PaulPositionBefore I fill in a bug report, anyone would confirm/infirm that screendump is broken? (my iriver h10 does detect usb in/out, it just doesn't generate a bmp)
00:26:30preglowbut now, back to the old problem, nb_celp.c seems to want consts that are in speex.h, but does not include speex.h, yet all compiles of libspeex but this one works...
00:26:52safetydanpreglow: include paths maybe?
00:27:27preglowsafetydan: well, it would have told me if it didn't find a file it tried to include, no?
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00:28:01safetydanpreglow: true
00:28:10PaulPosition(Ahh.... interrestingly, when I have debug-screendump enabled, it does NOT detect usb out or, at least, the statusbar doesn't reflect it)
00:29:26linuxstbpreglow: nb_celp.h includes modes.h which includes <speex/speex.h> - so I think it could be include paths...
00:29:46linuxstbMaybe a conflict with an installed version of speex.h?
00:30:07preglowaha
00:30:17preglowvery probably
00:30:47PaulJamPaulPosition: there is a report in the h10 forums on misticriver about broken screendump functionality.
00:31:11jhMikeSpreglow: hurry the fux up...I want to commit that SPC codec =;p
00:31:37PaulPositionPauljam - Indeed. But misticriver folks aren't really into submitting bugs to the tracker. −− Yet I don't want to be trigger-happy with it either.
00:33:03preglowi'm getting there...
00:33:35jhMikeS:D :PpPpPp ... need more liquor (/me does)
00:33:46preglowit sPEWS warnings
00:33:47preglowbaaaah
00:33:57preglowi definitely need more liquor
00:34:02preglowbut have none, so it's more makefile instead
00:34:17hcsjhMikeS, preglow, what's up w/ SPC?
00:34:35PaulJamPaulPosition: i'm not sure what you mean. i just mentioned it because you asked for confirmation of this bug.
00:35:49jhMikeShcs: it's my dual core version but voice swapping is blocking it
00:36:01PaulPositionPaulJam - Oh, okay.. Sorry, I wanted to know if other devices would show the same symptoms.
00:36:11preglowlinuxstb: so, how to solve that, really? swap all <> with "" ?
00:36:30BoD[]see you all!
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00:36:50PaulJamPaulPosition: on h300 with r15627 screendump works.
00:37:13linuxstbpreglow: I'm not sure, but I would hope there is a better way than that...
00:37:58preglowlinuxstb: i can't possibly think of one, afaik, /usr/include is first in the include path, and if speex/speex.h exists there, that will be used first
00:38:05PaulPositionPaulJam - Thanks.. So I'll fill a report only for H10.
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00:38:31preglowlinuxstb: so either drop speex/ or turn <> to "", both equally bad, afaik
00:39:03PaulPosition(after I read the wiki about bug reports, to make sure I don't behave like an idiot)
00:40:04preglowlinuxstb: there doesn't seem to be many
00:40:22preglowat least not in .h files
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00:44:03preglowany better suggestions? :/
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00:45:20preglowlibspeex/SOURCES is turning into a right mess
00:45:24linuxstbAre you sure this is the problem? Reading the manpage, -I should add the directory to the head of the search path, and system directories come afterwards...
00:45:53ryanakcaWhy is it that every song gets included into the Database 4 times? Any way to correct this? iPod Nano with Tuesday's daily build.
00:46:14preglowlinuxstb: really, now
00:46:25kugeldid someone of the devs look at fs#8122 ?
00:46:32linuxstbpreglow: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.3/gcc/Directory-Options.html
00:47:08linuxstbpreglow: You could confirm by (temporarily) removing the system copy
00:47:47preglowok, i've got a libspeex
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00:48:49preglowlinuxstb: i might have ommited some include path here, yeah
00:49:06JdGordonBABECOEC ? what the heck is a COEC?
00:49:09JdGordon:p
00:49:42krazykitthat's what happens when you call the wrong escort service, i think.
00:49:45preglowlinuxstb: it doesn't look like the speex makefile specifies -I. or anything...
00:49:50preglowyes, yes it does
00:49:51JdGordonprefetch abort at that address.. thats a stack oberflow or something yeah?
00:50:11linuxstbpreglow: Yes, I'm looking at that now... Does "make V=1" work in tools/ ?
00:51:04*n1s thought it was supposed to be C0EDBABE
00:51:14JdGordonthats why it thought it was funny
00:51:16preglowlinuxstb: make tools V=1 does
00:51:21PaulJamkugel: is this even a bug? i thought it is theis way, so you can use the format strings from the original tagnavi in your custom one. if you want different format strings in your custom config you can just use different names for them.
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00:52:02JdGordoncrap.. doesnt crash the sim :(
00:52:11kugelthis user made his own format strings, and they were not recognized
00:52:12safetydanJdGordon: sounds like some protection cookie that got scrambled
00:52:37PaulPositionCould svn be used to go backward, say, two weeks... in search of when a bug may have been introduced.. how?
00:52:38kugelI guess because the %include of tagnavi.config is after the format strings
00:53:01preglowlinuxstb: figured it out
00:53:12kugelPaulPosition: you can check out an older SVN
00:53:15preglowlinuxstb: _I_ forgot to include -I.
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00:54:19PaulJamPaulPosition: use for example 'svn up -r12345' to go to a specific revision
00:54:20PaulPositiondoh, I just found out how... missed it when I first read the wiki page.
00:54:24PaulPositionthanks :)
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00:57:51JdGordonanyone have any ideas about FS #8163? it only seems to be the german lang.. ive tried hai and russion which are both larger so im not sure its an overflow
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00:58:43PaulJamkugel: hmm, then i don't understand this bugreport. i use custom formatstrings in my tagnavi_custom.config and there they work.
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00:59:38kugelSo answer this report and tell the way you made it
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01:00:01linuxstbpreglow: So is it all good now?
01:01:19preglowlinuxstb: no, i still lack some stuff, plus, this thing vOMITS warnings
01:01:41preglowi don't know how much i'm going to care, really, it won't show up on the build tables much
01:02:07preglowand wtf, why isn't ranlib run?
01:02:10preglowlooks like it tries
01:02:36preglowprobably isn't defined for host based builds
01:03:49linuxstbShouldn't it be the same as a sim build?
01:04:29linuxstbNo, it shouldn't (to answer my own question...)
01:05:05preglowand for some reason, big parts og nb_celp.c can't find speec_alloc and speex_free... and os_support.h is included just fine
01:05:14preglowARGH
01:05:15preglowforget me
01:05:39jmworxpreglow: what do you mean "can't find"?
01:05:46PaulJamkugel: i just did it the way the wiki decribes it. i don't use any tricks to make it work.
01:06:14kugelthe wiki says that the %include is before everything else (just comments before)
01:06:22kugelso the wiki is kinda wrong
01:06:30preglowjmworx: nevermind this, this is all my fault
01:06:37preglowjmworx: i'm trying to coax our svn libspeex to build natively
01:06:49jmworxwhat do you mean?
01:07:10preglowjmworx: i use speex_resampler in our own mini-encoder, and most people don't have that new a libspeex yet
01:07:23preglowjmworx: so i'm using the libspeex we already have in svn to build the encoder app
01:07:25PaulJamkugel: maybe it is just a leftover from before the formatstings were introduced. you shoud ask Slasheri, he is the Database expert.
01:08:04kugelI talked to the one who has this problem
01:08:08***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:08:39kugelhe made his format strings in the tagnavi_custom, and they aren't recognized
01:08:58kugelthat's all I can tell. I don't have this problem (but just since I don't have my own format strings)
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01:09:38preglowlinuxstb: so, how to make that makefile run ranlib in a good way?
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01:10:01PaulJamkugel: ask him to upload his file to the tracker, maybe this helps understanding the problem.
01:10:13preglowjmworx: and yes, right now i very much curse myself for having removed all that encoder stuff in weird ways :)
01:10:33linuxstbpreglow: Maybe just add AR=ar to the 'make -C' line ?
01:10:34preglow_yes_
01:10:35preglowthere we go
01:10:57preglownow let's see if this bastard works
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01:11:19jmworxpreglow: You're aware that speex 1.2beta3 is moving the resampler to libspeexdsp?
01:11:24preglowlinuxstb: it doesbn't call AR, it calls AR+ANLIB
01:11:36preglowjmworx: sure, but that doesn't matter much for us since we don't use your build system anyway
01:11:49jmworxright
01:12:00preglowjmworx: all i need from libspeexdsp is resample.c, so i just include that in libspeex for this occasion
01:12:05preglowit won't be visible system-wide anyway
01:12:12jmworxthen why does it matter that "most people don't have that new a libspeex yet"?
01:12:32linuxstbpreglow: Are you sure - the Makefile echos 'AR+RANLIB' but then only does $(AR)
01:12:38jmworxpreglow: are you defining OUTSIDE_SPEEX?
01:12:52preglowjmworx: no, should it be necessary? it's built as part of speex
01:14:10preglowlinuxstb: that worked just fine
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01:14:23preglowlinuxstb: so all that's left of the annoyances now are the warnings, which might be 64 bit related
01:15:57jmworxpreglow: Well, OUTSIDE_SPEEX makes it use different symbols so that if someone eventually links with libspeexdsp as well, there's no symbol duplication. I guess in your case, you might not care about that...
01:15:58preglowlinuxstb: the resulting binary even works
01:16:22preglowjmworx: nah, we control our environment so well we don't have to worry about that
01:17:08preglowwell, cool, that was the last piece
01:17:17preglowwe should be ready to deploy some testing now
01:18:48PaulJamJdGordon: about FS #8163, it looks like in this screen the title is made to scroll artificially (even though it doesn't make sense in this context) and after it has scrolled for a while there are two square characters at the end of the title string (those that are displayed when the glyph is not available). so maybe the problem has to do with the title being made longer to scroll.
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01:21:10JdGordonPaulJam: but it happens when exiting the screen...
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01:25:40PaulPositionShould I delete everything in my build folder before I 'make' a new (older) revision?
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01:26:27PaulPositions/revision/release
01:26:36PaulPositionor whatever.. :p
01:27:35mud_i would do a 'make clean' or yes delete everything if you're getting weird behavior...
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01:28:30PaulPositionmud_ - Hmm, gonna read up on 'make clean'.. It's just that RMing eveything by hand is, uh..., long. Thanks.
01:29:38linuxstbThat's all "make clean" does...
01:30:02PaulJamJdGordon: i have no sansa to test, i just thougt it might be related because these strange characters at the end of the padded title don't look like they belong there.
01:34:07PaulJamJdGordon: oh, my h300 just froze too when exiting this setting, but for me it happened with english language while i had no problem with german.
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01:37:21TheCollectorI need some help fixing my BL and firmware on my sansa e250. I've followed all the steps, but I can't seem to make any permanent progress.
01:38:24TheCollectorafter flashing the origional bl, it doesn't seem to be written
01:39:19LloreanThere shouldn't be anything like "flashing" in the e200 install.
01:40:06TheCollectorsorry, I'm just using that as a generic term for writing the bootloader
01:40:22TheCollectorthis is the sansa one, though
01:40:50mud_TheCollector: you're attempting to uninstall rockbox? or update the original firmware or something?
01:41:31TheCollectormud_: no, I accidentally nuked the first partition (the hidden one) while trying to get the microsd card to work
01:41:33linuxstbTheCollector: How are you "flashing" the bootloader? Just transferring it with e200tool doesn't write it.
01:41:40preglowghah
01:41:45preglowjhMikeS: around?
01:41:56jhMikeSyessir
01:42:08TheCollectorlinuxstb: what else needs to be done then?
01:42:11preglowjhMikeS: should we integrate this in your patch as well, then?
01:42:23linuxstbTheCollector: What the "unbrick" page says...
01:42:35jhMikeSpreglow: add eveything in that can be
01:43:03preglowjhMikeS: aight's, updated patch coming soon
01:43:03linuxstbTheCollector: Sorry, I've just read that page, and it's not clear...
01:43:10TheCollectorok, great
01:43:28TheCollectorI was hoping ther ewas just something I missed
01:43:49jhMikeSpreglow: i have a few tweaks of my own here
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01:45:08preglowjhMikeS: this SHOULD constitute a full kit, just testing should be needed
01:45:16preglowand stuff like agreeing on encoder options
01:45:21preglow-q 5 might be unnecessarily high
01:46:15TheCollectorlinuxstb: after I use e200tool to recover the bl, do I need to run it again using the 'write' command?
01:47:20jhMikeSpreglow: the quality sounds really high here
01:47:52preglowjhMikeS: hold on, found some bugs
01:48:39jhMikeSI'm going to adjust the stack size down and aim for say 90 ,95%? coldfire uses the most stack.
01:49:38preglowsure
01:49:50preglowwhy not, stack size should be constant for a given speex mode, like i said
01:50:00linuxstbTheCollector: See this page for some instructions - http://chrisjs.com/?page_id=57 (start at step 6)
01:51:08TheCollectorah, guess I was missing copying the bl to that 16mb partition
01:51:47linuxstbYes. I'm surprised the wiki doesn't say that.
01:51:49jhMikeS1824 bytes will be < 95% on coldfire
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01:57:14preglowjhMikeS: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/speex-voicebuilding.patch
01:57:19preglowjhMikeS: apply and please try a voice build
01:57:36preglowjhMikeS: just use configure like before, then choose advance, then voice, then the rest should be self-explanatory
01:58:05jhMikeSok, gotta clean up. got the speex encoder or is that included?
01:58:13preglowincluded
01:58:18jhMikeSwee
01:58:25preglowthat patch does what the old one does, but adds speex encoder
01:58:27preglowshit
01:58:31preglowi forgot the encoder itself
01:58:35jhMikeS:P
01:58:38preglowdo i need to svn add for that?
01:58:51preglowprobably, if using svn diff, i expect
01:58:57jhMikeSyes
01:59:12preglowhmm, i'll just smack a license onto it first
01:59:53linuxstbMinor point (it can be fixed later), but why does configure need to check for the presence of rbspeexenc? Couldn't it just be built when you do "make voice"? (similar to how the other tools/ things are built for a normal build)
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02:00:19preglowjhMikeS: updated
02:00:35preglowlinuxstb: does configure check for that?
02:00:45linuxstbIf I'm reading your diff correctly...
02:00:49preglowright, i added it to the tools list
02:01:06linuxstbThe very first hunk in the diff...
02:01:10preglowwell, i guess it could... i'm all for not ever touching the build system again
02:01:39preglowlinuxstb: well, you'll be pleased to hear that's what happens
02:01:41jhMikeSpreglow: really love the voice that you made for h100...quite audible through everything
02:01:46preglowlinuxstb: that segment is run on "make voice"
02:01:49powr-tocI get a cannot load rockbox.ipod error
02:02:12linuxstbpowr-toc: That means you either forgot to extract rockbox.zip to your ipod, or did it wrongly.
02:02:22*preglow tries to remember which voice that was
02:02:53jhMikeSpreglow: is it ready yet?
02:03:02preglowjhMikeS: the patch? yes
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02:03:29safetydanFor some reason having Speex for voice seems is the most interesting thing to happen to Rockbox lately. At least for me. :)
02:03:31jhMikeShow much disk space does generating the pcm take?
02:03:38*safetydan is probably just weird
02:03:39linuxstbpreglow: Then I think you can simply remove that check from configure.
02:03:42preglowjhMikeS: dunno, not much
02:03:51preglowjhMikeS: btw, i removed a couple of more files in speex here, might give a kb or so less space taken
02:04:06jhMikeSgot a link to something to use? I have no such tools
02:04:21preglowlinuxstb: well, it looks better than just puking when it's not there for some reason, doesn't it?
02:04:24jhMikeSand yeah you mentioned it earlier but I'm too lazy to go logging
02:04:26JdGordonPaulJam: nuts, ok
02:04:33preglowjhMikeS: windows? linux?
02:04:35powr-toclinuxstb: I've extracted it so I have a .rockbox in my ipod root dir
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02:04:50preglowjhMikeS: espeak, festival, flite
02:04:54jhMikeSI use VMWare so I guess that's linux :)
02:04:58linuxstbpreglow: No - it _is_ there, it's just not built until you type "make voice" (which is after you run configure...)
02:05:21preglowlinuxstb: afaik, i think it's built with all the other tools as it is now...
02:05:25ryanakcaWhy is it that every song gets included into the Database 4 times? Any way to correct this? iPod Nano with Tuesday's daily build.
02:05:33preglowlinuxstb: if you use voice or no
02:05:37linuxstbpreglow: Yes, but not until _after_ you run configure...
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02:05:58preglowlinuxstb: oh, sure
02:06:15jhMikeSpreglow: do I have to remove the last building patch?
02:06:39preglowjhMikeS: yes
02:06:42preglowjhMikeS: this one includes all of it
02:07:00jhMikeSand are these synths and apt-get thing or download somewhere?
02:07:00preglowjhMikeS: they'll continue to do so if i update them, so do keep them hanging around for reversal
02:07:04linuxstbpowr-toc: And do you have a file called "rockbox.ipod" inside .rockbox?
02:07:05preglowjhMikeS: apt
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02:07:30jhMikeShope I have space for this...it's tight on my image
02:08:04preglowthe gen itself should be tight enough
02:08:22preglowlinuxstb: so building rbspeexenc no matter if you want voice or not is a-ok?
02:08:33powr-toclinuxstb: yes
02:08:35linuxstbryanakca: Have you tried deleting the database files (*.tcd inside .rockbox) and rebuilding?
02:08:37safetydanryanakca: check that you don't have duplicates of your songs in hidden directories
02:09:57jhMikeSpreglow: which do you recommend of the voice synths
02:10:25linuxstbpreglow: No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you download a clean svn tree, run tools/configure, and select voice, you'll get an error saying rbspeexenc doesn't exist. (IIUC)
02:10:43ryanakcasafetydan: ok, will do.
02:10:51ryanakcalinuxstb: nope, I'll try that too :)
02:10:56preglowlinuxstb: true
02:11:02preglowyes, yes it is
02:11:10preglowlinuxstb: i think i was assuming it'd be a binary or something when i wrote that
02:11:15powr-toclinuxstb: seems to work now... I think it might have been a problem with writes not having flushed to disk... I'm using an automount.
02:11:26preglowjhMikeS: i don't really know, i like espeak for its pronounciation, but it sounds metallic
02:11:32safetydanryanakca: look in your trash folders, so Recycle Bin on Windows or .trash for Macs
02:11:36preglowjhMikeS: it's also the smallest
02:11:52jhMikeSmight the H100 one...I like that darth vader thing
02:12:10preglowflite and festival try to sound natural
02:12:38linuxstbpowr-toc: Yes, "automount" isn't "autounmount"...
02:12:50preglowespeak sounds like some half drunk guy you found in a pub and had talk into your ring modulator
02:13:36powr-toclinuxstb: yeah... I forget sometimes :-\
02:13:43powr-tocthanks for your help anyway :)
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02:14:17ryanakcasafetydan: eh? why would I look in my trash folder? (Linux btw)
02:14:45ryanakcathey wouldn't be on my iPod, would they?
02:15:19*ryanakca thought they were in $HOME/.Trash ... hrm.
02:15:59mud-rbryanakca: it depends on the setup, but mostly they are on the same partition that you're deleting stuff from i believe, otherwise it would have to do copies all the time when you moved to trash...
02:16:13ryanakcamud-rb: ah
02:16:32*ryanakca checks
02:17:44safetydanryanakca: ah well the majority of ipod users tend not to be linux users. Bad assumption on my part.
02:18:04preglowjhMikeS: did the rb binary get any smaller, btw?
02:18:33ryanakcasafetydan: hehe :D
02:19:10jhMikeShaven't built it yet...was having problems with apt-get wanting a new bloody kernel
02:20:19jhMikeSI do a quicky e200 make bin
02:21:20jhMikeSjust got an error about inttypes.h in by bits.o...wtf
02:21:33TheCollectorlinuxstb: have you ever installed the new fw and bl and had it fail even though it says upgrade successful?
02:21:42linuxstbI don't own a Sansa
02:21:51TheCollectorok
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02:22:22jhMikeSapt-get totally borked my build environment
02:22:36jhMikeSthat or it killed the path env variable
02:22:51TheCollectorit always goes back to manufacturing mode after it says upgrade finished
02:23:30preglowjhMikeS: \o/
02:23:44jhMikeSrestart?
02:24:06preglow*shrug*
02:24:18TheCollectorI wish - it just goes into recovery mode again
02:24:18preglowi usually start screaming and swearing
02:24:23preglowdoesn't solve anything, but that's what i usually do
02:24:45TheCollectorwhoops
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02:25:41jhMikeSugh...better just finish the upgrade
02:27:26jhMikeSok, this things gonna pipe me through a whole list of upgrades...could be awhile
02:29:37ryanakcasafetydan: `du -a /media/IPOD/ | grep -i mp3 | gev -v kpod | sed -e 's@.*/media@/media@g' | sort` only lists two codec files in .rockbox/ and a couple image files for the themes... so I don't think it's any files hidden away.
02:30:22ryanakcaAs for the database, I've tried having only one song on the iPod, and recreating the database, but it still shows the song 4 times in the database.
02:30:35ryanakcas/gev/grep/
02:31:22safetydanryanakca: do you mean it appears four times in the same list?
02:31:41safetydanalso, do you know if it is actually the same song? You might have some songs with duplicate tags.
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