00:00:13 | linuxstb_ | sp_chimp: If you have a v2, then the installer wouldn't have done anything. |
00:00:28 | sp_chimp | :\ wonder what I did to change the name then |
00:00:53 | sp_chimp | all very weird. because the name is now E200P and it won't read usb unless in manufacture mode |
00:01:10 | linuxstb_ | What does e200rpatcher say when you run it? |
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00:01:32 | sp_chimp | #rockbox |
00:01:40 | sp_chimp | oh wait lol |
00:01:43 | LycoLoco | heh |
00:01:48 | sp_chimp | sorry. lusk is me |
00:01:53 | sp_chimp | trillian f'd up |
00:02:12 | krazykit | yes, as you said |
00:02:14 | sp_chimp | when I run e200rpatcher says it can't find anything |
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00:02:36 | sp_chimp | obviously. because this is v2 |
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00:03:06 | sp_chimp | I'm just confused now. about why it changed my name. and why usb is f'd up. and when in rhapsody it doesn't show like channels |
00:03:22 | sp_chimp | under the player |
00:04:07 | krazykit | sp_chimp, really, i'd go to sansa's website and see if there's a firmware restore utility for the v2. |
00:04:35 | sp_chimp | good idear |
00:04:38 | PaulJam | sp_chimp: press WIN+R then enter "devmgmt.msc" and press OK, this should open the devicemanager. there you should be able to unistall the driver. but i have no idea how it is called there. |
00:05:01 | sp_chimp | i'm going with krazykit. less work paul |
00:05:23 | krazykit | sp_chimp, you should still do what PaulJam said, though. |
00:05:50 | sp_chimp | win thats the flag eh? |
00:07:37 | sp_chimp | man i'm coming off as a noob |
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00:08:58 | advcomp2019 | sp_chimp, what part of iowa are you at.. i could fix it for you |
00:09:32 | sp_chimp | how do you know i'm in iowa? |
00:09:40 | sp_chimp | also. this is the internet and i'm 13 lol |
00:09:40 | Bagder | we see you on the map |
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00:10:03 | Bagder | now lets zoom... |
00:10:06 | sp_chimp | >_> |
00:10:16 | sp_chimp | lies |
00:10:26 | sp_chimp | whats that one. for chat? community |
00:10:54 | sp_chimp | I mean i'm 14 :]. I live in east iowa |
00:11:05 | sp_chimp | near dubuque |
00:11:17 | sp_chimp | please don't rape me |
00:11:40 | safetydan | hrm, moving the sound settings units out of firmware isn't going to be straightforward |
00:11:48 | advcomp2019 | sp_chimp, i am on the other side of the state so do not worry |
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00:12:27 | PaulJam | for smalltalk please visit #rockbox-community |
00:12:30 | sp_chimp | well. this shucks. -shakes fist at rockbox-. or mabey... -shakes fist at being v2- |
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00:15:22 | sp_chimp | wait. now this will be dumb to say. but what button is the win >< |
00:16:15 | PaulJam | the one with the flag. alternatively you could press start => run (instead of WIN+R) |
00:19:26 | sp_chimp | ok. well i uninstalled the only driver there |
00:21:45 | Zagor | bertrik: how lovely that "the official test tool for device framework testing" only works on "Windows XP SP2 English version"... i.e doesn't work on my wife's xp sp2. |
00:22:03 | sp_chimp | whats MTP device? I just replugged it in |
00:22:11 | sp_chimp | and now it says it found new hardware MTP device |
00:22:20 | krazykit | MTP is the protocol the player uses. |
00:22:25 | bertrik | Zagor: that's unfortunate |
00:22:26 | karashata | MTP is music transfer protocol |
00:22:29 | jhMikeS | on the R models, you should have "Rhapsody Mode" on |
00:22:47 | sp_chimp | and how do I do that |
00:22:57 | krazykit | you don't, apparently. you have a v2. |
00:22:58 | jhMikeS | "Plays fo' Shizzle" is MTP mode |
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00:23:16 | sp_chimp | oh. lol. ok |
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00:23:49 | sp_chimp | so weird. its still not read. I plug it in normally and in my computer nothings there |
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00:27:29 | jhMikeS | you checked that it's Settings|Mode >> Rhapsody in the retailos? |
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00:59:44 | mokkurkalve | So are the e200 v2 models in trade now then. I just ordered a e280, but it was from a storage here in Norway, so I guess there's small chance that I'll get a v2. Would be unfortunate if I'll do, as it's supposed to be my H340's Rockboxed little brother.... |
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01:00:29 | krazykit | mokkurkalve, they appear to be in the wild now |
01:03:49 | mokkurkalve | Hmmm... well, i guess that since the one that's on it's way to me was in storage in a warehouse here its probably not.... (knocks on wood) |
01:04:50 | Zagor | is everyone having problems getting the e200 to reboot on usb connect? |
01:08:39 | jhMikeS | what's this v2 stuff anway? what's different and IDs it? |
01:08:48 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, i can test but hold on i need to update the build |
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01:27:09 | scorche | kill_all_thendie: are you done yet? |
01:27:21 | kill_all_thendie | im setting up a host mask :P |
01:27:53 | scorche | you are also being very offensive |
01:29:33 | * | jhMikeS has already mobilized the Isreali army |
01:29:59 | kill_all_thendie | israel dont have an army, just some snipers killing children |
01:30:15 | Soap_ | nice choice of last words. |
01:30:18 | jhMikeS | just as I said |
01:30:29 | jhMikeS | and not what you said |
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01:34:37 | Nimdae | is the new usb stuff suppose to make rockbox reboot still? |
01:35:58 | bertrik | Nimdae: yes I think it is |
01:36:00 | * | jhMikeS goes and has a kosher burrito for diner :p |
01:36:19 | Nimdae | that doesn't make sense |
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01:41:19 | hasmind | Hi all |
01:41:32 | hasmind | I just fully charged my battery |
01:41:58 | hasmind | (ipod video) |
01:42:06 | hasmind | and when I try to turn it on, I get the bad res no battery sign |
01:42:10 | hasmind | ... I reset |
01:42:28 | hasmind | and its got full battery |
01:42:47 | hasmind | is this a known bug? |
01:42:49 | Nimdae | it could be a bad battery |
01:43:24 | hasmind | It only happens ofter rockbox shut itself down automatically |
01:43:27 | scorche | or a bad enter key :) |
01:43:38 | hasmind | sorry? |
01:43:58 | scorche | hasmind: this is a bug in the apple firmware...it appears without rockbox as well |
01:44:18 | hasmind | ok |
01:45:09 | hasmind | And could someone with the rights change the default font? |
01:45:12 | hasmind | please? |
01:45:46 | hasmind | maybe the same font but 2 points bigger? |
01:45:51 | Nimdae | bah, when i plug my ipod into my computer now, it starts the new hardware detection, then rockbox reboots |
01:46:17 | Nimdae | hasmind: i think that's something that has been discussed before |
01:46:25 | hasmind | Exactly |
01:46:35 | hasmind | So why has it not changed? |
01:46:59 | Nimdae | beacuse then the default theme would not work well on other targets |
01:47:07 | hasmind | Oh |
01:47:10 | hasmind | farie enough |
01:47:16 | hasmind | *fair |
01:48:07 | hasmind | Fonts are small... it could run some code to figure out which theme would be best for the player |
01:48:12 | Nimdae | it could probably be set up so that ar ockbox build creates a target specific default theme, but i don't have the knowledge to change that |
01:48:21 | hasmind | that would be way easy to do too |
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01:50:21 | Nimdae | i don't speculate at how easy it would be to do |
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01:54:46 | hasmind | Why are there alot of fonts in the source but when compiled it only puts one in? |
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01:57:08 | PaulJam | hasmind: because the fonts rarely change. so they are distributed sparately to limit the traffic. |
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02:14:40 | Workaphobia | I was googling for this but I think I'll just ask here: What's the deal with casting to (void) in C? Does it somehow hide/mask a variable identifier so it can't accidentally be used later in that scope? |
02:16:39 | linuxstb | It's used to prevent "unused variable" compiler warnings. |
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02:17:56 | Workaphobia | what are the semantics of it, is it like a null statement, like having the variable name on a line with nothing else but a terminating semicolon? |
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02:19:21 | linuxstb | I don't know exactly how it works, I just use it obediently... |
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02:42:54 | Mouser_X | This is annoying... I'm listening to some ADXs (on my e200, in Rockbox, of course), and since ADX does not support tags, there's of course no metadata for them. As such, all I'm seeing in my current WPS (Barracuda) is "Uknown Title." Is there a way to fix this? I could have sworn that my Gigabeat shows at least the filename (using Pixel) |
02:43:08 | Mouser_X | Is there way to fix this? |
02:45:15 | bobrules | what is clipping, can anyone sxplain? |
02:45:53 | Mouser_X | It's usually some kind of disturbance in the force. |
02:45:58 | Mouser_X | *music. Sorry. |
02:46:12 | krazykit | Mouser_X, i think there are filename tags that you could use some conditionals for... |
02:46:16 | bobrules | also I read the manual about replaygain, and i still don't understand |
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02:46:33 | Mouser_X | krazykit: I'm starting to think that myself. |
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03:00:22 | bobrules | anyone have a sansa e200 serie? |
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03:00:30 | krazykit | bobrules, lots |
03:00:41 | krazykit | i have 2. |
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03:00:55 | bobrules | I have one too, I'm just wondering how does the earphone that come with it compare to ohters |
03:01:02 | bobrules | is it high quality? |
03:01:05 | krazykit | of course not |
03:01:17 | krazykit | i can't think of any DAP that comes with earphones that don't suck |
03:01:46 | bobrules | they soudn better than ipod earphones |
03:02:04 | krazykit | it's offtopic in here anyway... |
03:02:22 | krazykit | -> #community, then |
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03:31:32 | countrymonkey | What is the syntax for making a voice file out of voicefont? I am going to make the MakeVoices script adapt to the target specific voices. |
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03:35:03 | countrymonkey | What is the syntax for making a voice file out of voicefont? I am going to make the MakeVoices script adapt to the target specific voices. |
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04:19:30 | Workaphobia | for those of you who compiled rockbox (simulator) on cygwin, how did you get sdl installed? Was there a cygwin package, or did you compile from source under cygwin's gcc? |
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04:23:01 | safetydan | Workaphobia, there should be a package to install. SOmething like libsdl-dev |
04:23:31 | Workaphobia | I thought so but didn't see anything in the list under libsdl or sdl |
04:25:20 | karashata | Workaphobia: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment <−− on that page it tells you the package you need to download for the sdl.dll to be able to build the uisimulator |
04:26:43 | Workaphobia | thanks |
04:26:50 | karashata | no prob |
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06:14:00 | psycho_maniac | anybody ever see petur in this room? |
06:15:37 | scorche` | petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) signed off 8 hours and 59 minutes ago ("gone taping") |
06:18:49 | eigma | see amiconn? |
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06:19:48 | psycho_maniac | when does he usually come on here? |
06:20:10 | scorche` | typically whenever someone mentions beer |
06:20:32 | eigma | scorche, was that a bot? |
06:20:40 | scorche` | was what a bot? |
06:20:45 | eigma | [00:15] <scorche`> petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) signed off 8 hours and 59 minutes ago ("gone taping") |
06:20:53 | * | scorche` points to logbot |
06:20:57 | psycho_maniac | haha. i need to talk to him about his iriver battery that he still may have. |
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06:37:15 | JdGordon | eigma: you type seen <nick> I tihnk to get logbot |
06:37:18 | JdGordon | seen amiconn |
06:37:28 | JdGordon | maybe not :p |
06:38:09 | scorche` | ;) |
06:38:21 | eigma | !seen amiconn |
06:39:07 | scorche` | the correct answer is "You need glasses badly" |
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06:42:37 | eigma | I don't really get it.. scorche said that, not logbot |
06:42:54 | scorche` | i got it from logbot |
06:42:59 | eigma | oh, in PM? |
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06:43:08 | scorche` | yes |
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06:43:34 | eigma | logbot is ignoring me :( |
06:44:31 | JdGordon | are you registered? |
06:44:42 | scorche` | heh: dongs (i=500@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) left the channel 26 days and 21 hours ago ("lol") |
06:44:43 | eigma | only to freenode |
06:44:50 | JdGordon | thats enough |
06:45:02 | JdGordon | scorche`: and how its been great without him :D |
06:45:03 | eigma | I tried "help", "!help" |
06:45:23 | scorche` | the output of help: I'm a Dancer V4.16 bot. "/msg logbot CMD" for a list of available commands |
06:45:30 | *** | Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' |
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06:45:57 | eigma | do I need a cloak to talk to logbot? |
06:46:02 | scorche` | no |
06:46:10 | eigma | oh well. |
06:46:18 | eigma | one day, when logbot will want to talk to me, I'll ignore.. it.. |
06:46:25 | scorche` | there is a secret ;) |
06:47:26 | scorche` | ooo....didnt know he tracks netsplits too |
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06:57:55 | advcomp2019 | i finally got time test the last build.. whatever Zagor did, now my sansa e280r can charge in rockbox right.. so Zagor for the log my issue is now fixed |
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08:10:36 | amiconn | eigma: The problem with logbot is that it is not identified itself, and freenode blocks pms from unregistered users by default |
08:10:52 | amiconn | Since you are registered, you can allow pms from unregistered users |
08:11:00 | amiconn | Then he will talk to you |
08:11:45 | amiconn | /ns set unfiltered on |
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08:24:11 | ravve | Anyone who has successfully built the m68k cross compiler in Leopard? |
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09:03:46 | eigma | amiconn: nice, thanks |
09:08:22 | eigma | what does logbot's "You need glasses badly" mean? "haven't seen the user"? |
09:08:33 | eigma | erm, they're in channel. |
09:08:36 | eigma | d'oh |
09:09:10 | JdGordon | :) |
09:09:12 | * | scorche hands eigma some glasses ;) |
09:09:39 | eigma | I expected it to be according to when the nick last talked |
09:10:30 | scorche | nope..just when they were last "seen" present |
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09:13:37 | amiconn | It's "seen", not "heard" ;) |
09:13:47 | eigma | :) |
09:14:13 | JdGordon | amiconn: did you have any luck with the sound settings? |
09:14:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: if I disable the 5002 cache, the crashes don't occur |
09:15:42 | amiconn | JdGordon: see r15788 |
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09:16:20 | amiconn | But I think it would be cleaner to move the unit handling for the sound settings to the app layer |
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09:16:40 | JdGordon | ah, so its still not voicing in the decimals? |
09:17:19 | amiconn | What decimals? |
09:18:05 | JdGordon | arnt the values stored as 650 instead of 6.5 or something? |
09:18:06 | eigma | good night everyone |
09:18:12 | JdGordon | cya eigma |
09:18:14 | * | amiconn can't see any decimals in sound settings |
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09:18:26 | JdGordon | ok.. i tohught thats what you were fixing... |
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09:19:04 | amiconn | No, I was fixing a unitless setting being voiced as 'dB' |
09:19:17 | amiconn | Hmm, but there are decimals for the recording gains |
09:19:30 | amiconn | You can see how often I use recording ;) |
09:20:39 | amiconn | Those have no menu entries though |
09:22:20 | jhMikeS | gigabeat's tone controls have 1.5db steps and show it as such. they don't voice right though. |
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09:27:37 | jhMikeS | the cache routines don't appear so fancy on pp5002 like on pp502x |
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09:58:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You mean rockbox or OF? |
09:58:17 | * | amiconn guesses OF |
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10:03:51 | AK | hello |
10:05:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: about the cache routines? yeah, in OF. |
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10:07:49 | * | jhMikeS wonders why he keeps getting a stupid "Battery Empty" message now |
10:08:35 | Llorean | jhMikeS: If it's on an iPod, I've seen a few people recently mention spurious battery empties at levels they shouldn't be getting them recently |
10:08:41 | Llorean | Don't remember any specifics though |
10:09:12 | jhMikeS | well, I added cache routines to pp5002...no crashes, but that message then a shutdown |
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10:25:23 | Bagder | the e200v2 has a AS3525 too |
10:29:21 | Llorean | Not too surprising, I guess |
10:30:29 | Bagder | nope, but now it is somewhat confirmed |
10:34:09 | amiconn | It's odd that they basically made all-new daps and didn't change the name |
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10:39:02 | Llorean | Well, if they didn't want to change the form factor, how the user uses it, or featureset, changing the name might confuse users. |
10:40:33 | Llorean | The user doesn't need to know that the internals are now costing sandisk X% less, if it's not going to affect them at all |
10:41:41 | amiconn | It does... if they want to run rockbox |
10:43:48 | Llorean | Yeah, but I'm sure to them, their "user" is "people who use it how we tell them to" |
10:44:15 | amiconn | Even if we will have a succesful port, there will be the problem that the user needs to distinguish them somehow, in order to install the correct build |
10:45:56 | Llorean | Well, the e200-vanilla can be recognized by whatever utility checking the FW partition and saying "Hey look, e200 firmware here" |
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10:46:14 | Llorean | Do we know anything about the partition layout on the v2s yet? |
10:46:23 | Llorean | Of course, I hear the v2 actually says v2 on teh back somewhere |
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10:47:59 | advcomp2019 | plus Llorean they have firmware version 3.0X.XX for now |
10:48:12 | Llorean | That one's harder to depend on |
10:48:51 | Llorean | I'd assume that they'd want to bring the firmware version numbers into line at some point, so that *they* don't have to make their users figure out which one they have before saying "Why isn't the updater updating me past 1.1.x when the newest version is 3.1.x?" |
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10:50:47 | advcomp2019 | Llorean, ic but 3.0X.XX i think was built for the v2s as i see the c200s on the sandisk updater site |
10:51:27 | Llorean | Yes, but there's no reason there can't be two separate firmwares, both numbered 3.0X.XX, one for the V1 and one for the V2, both installed by the same tool, is there? |
10:52:54 | advcomp2019 | Llorean, the sansa updater is used by most of the sandisk players |
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11:03:10 | Bagder | I guess the saved a lot of manual writing and other stuff related to what releasing and handling a new model involves |
11:03:26 | Llorean | And advertising. |
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11:04:46 | Bagder | yeps |
11:04:56 | linuxstb | So Rockbox is again not running on any currently manufactured DAPs? |
11:05:05 | Bagder | although they do get problems when they want to advertise "auidible.com" support etc |
11:05:39 | Bagder | yeah, I guess those were the latest ones supported still manufactured |
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11:06:00 | aliask | Talk about a constant uphill battle... |
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11:06:42 | linuxstb | What about the new ports? I know the Gigabeat S is dead, what about the M:Robe 500? |
11:06:43 | hasmind | help, I've forgotten how to compile the UIsimulator |
11:06:58 | hasmind | I'm at the bit saying what do you want to compile it for |
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11:07:14 | linuxstb | hasmind: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
11:07:23 | hasmind | i went there :/ |
11:08:08 | linuxstb | So you're run ../tools/configure ? |
11:08:15 | hasmind | got it |
11:08:17 | hasmind | nm |
11:08:50 | hasmind | i forgot that it asks you to choose simulator after you say ipod video or archos recorder or what ever |
11:09:25 | hasmind | um |
11:09:34 | hasmind | how do I get libsdl-dev in cygwin? |
11:09:38 | hasmind | apt-get? |
11:09:55 | hasmind | no... |
11:10:37 | linuxstb | Run the cygwin setup.exe and install the Devel - SDL package (from the Rockbox mirror) |
11:10:42 | hasmind | aaaaww |
11:10:51 | linuxstb | It's described here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
11:10:54 | hasmind | will it reinstall or update? |
11:11:49 | linuxstb | No idea. |
11:11:55 | hasmind | reinstall :/ |
11:12:05 | Bagder | update |
11:12:18 | Bagder | setup.exe can always be re-run to update your cygwin install |
11:12:27 | hasmind | really? |
11:12:34 | hasmind | it says it will install though |
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11:14:19 | hasmind | hmmm |
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11:15:52 | countrymonkeyweb | Is there a chance of chucking some of the translations? THe ones I had in mind were afrikaans, bulgarian, turkes, romanian, and slovencina. They are so out of date that they are unusable. I don't believe meli osbek or any of the others are going to update any more. |
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11:16:10 | hasmind | what is category is libsdl-dev under?? |
11:16:17 | hasmind | its not under devel or libs |
11:16:30 | Bagder | countrymonkeyweb: but does it really matter if they're around or not? |
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11:16:39 | countrymonkeyweb | melli is (or was) the turkes translator. |
11:17:07 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Are you saying that there's absolutely nothing in them useful to any new person interested in translating? |
11:17:08 | aliask | linuxstb: Did you see Nico_P's work on updating the Gigabeat S firmware from linux? |
11:17:21 | linuxstb | Seems the Ainol U60 runs Linux on the AS3525 - http://automania.newmedia.hk/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,8/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,26/vmcchk,1/ |
11:17:22 | webguest12 | how do i go about dual booting Ipod Linux and rockbox |
11:17:41 | Bagder | linuxstb: ooo |
11:17:55 | hasmind | webguest12: get ipod linux boot loader |
11:18:13 | Bagder | I noticed the funny wording on Ainol's site "Now with Austrian chips" or somewhat like that |
11:18:21 | webguest12 | and how do i do this to a nano |
11:18:25 | linuxstb | aliask: Yes - things seem much easier now... Did you ever make any progress with a dual-boot bootloader? That would seem next on the things to crack (so we can re-enter the OF to perform firmware upgrades) |
11:19:08 | aliask | linuxstb: We can enter a restoration mode which will allow us to perform the upgrade |
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11:19:28 | linuxstb | Bagder: And being a Chinese manufacturer, they'll obviously have released their kernel source code... |
11:19:33 | aliask | But as far as dual booting, I couldn't get it to do anything other than freeze. |
11:19:45 | countrymonkeyweb | I don't see anything. Hell shit, the last time afrikaans was updated was early 2003. God sakes. |
11:20:05 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes, Ainol being known for adhering to all licenses... http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/24/ainol-license-violation/ |
11:20:08 | linuxstb | aliask: How do you enter the restoration mode? Is that the same as the recovery mode? |
11:20:19 | aliask | Same thing, yes. |
11:20:31 | webguest12 | hasmind: i tried that for my nano with no success |
11:20:35 | linuxstb | Bagder: :( |
11:21:16 | linuxstb | aliask: Nico_P mentioned that that was very slow to use though... |
11:21:17 | countrymonkeyweb | And, webguest 12, you don't use the rockbox bootloader to do ipodlinux/rockbox booting. |
11:21:21 | hasmind | webguest12: iPod linux isn't as good as rockbox anyway, get rid of it and put rockbox on instead :D |
11:21:53 | linuxstb | aliask: Nico_P was also reporting random freezes when he was trying to run code on his S yesterday. But he did manage to get some directory listings displayed. |
11:21:59 | webguest12 | hasmind: its good for gameboy games |
11:22:25 | aliask | I'll read the logs |
11:22:32 | countrymonkeyweb | Hey! I think so, but, safice it to say, rockbox has a few querks. And ipl is better at some things. But, I admit, rockbox is cooler. :) |
11:22:42 | webguest12 | rockbox sort of lags |
11:22:46 | linuxstb | aliask: Around 3pm yesterday afternoon (log time) I think. |
11:22:57 | linuxstb | (saturday 24th) |
11:23:08 | stripwax | webguest12 - 'lags'? |
11:23:09 | hasmind | why isn't sdl in devel!? |
11:23:18 | hasmind | stripwax: its true |
11:23:25 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Why shouldn't someone use the Rockbox bootloader to load Linux. And please don't curse in this channel |
11:23:42 | stripwax | hasmind - do you mean just the gameboy emulator, or something else? |
11:23:45 | countrymonkeyweb | Lags? Give me some examples. |
11:23:51 | hasmind | the menus |
11:23:55 | hasmind | not playback |
11:24:06 | countrymonkeyweb | What? *looks very surprised* |
11:24:12 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: What harm does having an out of date translation actually do? Having it there lets anyone who speaks the language know we'd welcome a contribution to fix it, at least |
11:24:25 | hasmind | compared to ipod firmware, rockbox menus are very slow |
11:24:40 | webguest12 | not in a nano |
11:24:41 | hasmind | you go to database,and it take about 0.5 seconds to go there |
11:24:46 | webguest12 | apple sux |
11:24:50 | countrymonkeyweb | I am afraid of users that don't speak english. They will see the english strings and... |
11:25:18 | stripwax | hasmind - are you loading the database to ram? |
11:25:26 | hasmind | huh? |
11:25:28 | linuxstb | Bagder: Interesting that they can play FLV files - the CPU seems less powerful than the Gigabeat F's (250MHz arm9tdmi) and doesn't appear to have any DSP extensions. |
11:25:30 | hasmind | is there a setting |
11:25:37 | stripwax | hasmind - have you read the manual? |
11:25:47 | hasmind | which one :/ |
11:25:49 | countrymonkeyweb | You're right. I run a 4g so it probably is a different experience, but I have been using rockbox from day 1 for its voice features. |
11:25:55 | stripwax | the "rockbox" manual, naturally |
11:26:09 | hasmind | there are so many manuals that I gave up |
11:26:16 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: So, you're saying "Better to have no translation at all, than a partial one that shows we're interested in translations?" |
11:26:17 | hasmind | and started reading the source instead |
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11:26:26 | stripwax | there's only one for your device |
11:26:30 | Llorean | hasmind: There is exactly *one* manual for each player... |
11:26:33 | Bagder | I see "HHTech" mentioned all over as one who did port Linux to the AS3525, but that's chinese too and no sources to be found |
11:26:40 | hasmind | oh I see what you are talking about |
11:26:46 | hasmind | and the answer is not entirely |
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11:26:53 | hasmind | but thats not a problem for me |
11:27:05 | hasmind | I don't mind waiting 0.5 seconds |
11:27:06 | countrymonkeyweb | Maybe if 8132 was committed that might help somewhat. And 8224 needs a look. I did bigtime tab policing. I even used a script which I attached. |
11:27:10 | linuxstb | Bagder: I wonder if they stripped their libraries... Have you seen any firmware downloads? |
11:27:12 | webguest12 | Can someone show me how to dual boot linux and rockbox |
11:27:21 | hasmind | I mind not being able to find sdl under devel of cygwin!! |
11:27:22 | webguest12 | sorry to be a pain |
11:27:43 | Bagder | linuxstb: no... |
11:27:49 | Bagder | gotta go |
11:28:07 | countrymonkeyweb | Get loader2 from ipl. It's easier that way. |
11:28:08 | stripwax | hasmind - ok, but if you load the database to ram you ought to find the database menus faster to navigate around (at the expense of audio buffer) |
11:28:30 | countrymonkeyweb | But I don't know if I'm thinking right, it's 2:30 A.M. |
11:28:30 | stripwax | I didn't understand the question about "being able to find" sdl. Are you trying to compile a simulator build under cygwin? works for me |
11:28:32 | linuxstb | webguest12: Put an IPL kernel in the root of your FAT32 partition, call it "linux.bin", and hold PLAY whilst booting. |
11:28:38 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Please do not recommend unsupported software for running Rockbox. All you're doing is causing us more support later when Loader2 won't load Rockbox and htey come here to ask us about it. |
11:28:44 | amiconn | countrymonkeyweb: Booting ipl with the rockbox bootloader is really simple |
11:28:52 | hasmind | In the Cygwin setup |
11:28:59 | hasmind | you need to include sdl |
11:29:04 | hasmind | and it's not there |
11:29:15 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Do you have any idea how hard it is to explain to someone that if Loader2 isn't loading Rockbox, it's Loader2's devs they should be asking, when their only response is "But I'm trying to run ROCKBOX" |
11:29:34 | amiconn | hasmind: There is no such package on the standard cygwin download mirrors |
11:29:37 | stripwax | hasmind - have you tried building the simulator? |
11:29:49 | hasmind | yes |
11:29:52 | amiconn | You either have to install manually, or use the package from www.rockbox.org |
11:30:09 | hasmind | ooh |
11:30:18 | hasmind | I got it to work about a year ago :P |
11:30:23 | countrymonkeyweb | I would think that was natural. Software doesn't work, ask there support people. Ipl loader2 don't work, complain to ipl. Maybe I might sneak away with it if it was local call vs long distance call, but that's about it. |
11:30:52 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Yes, but most people think that since they're trying to load Rockbox, Rockbox is the problem. They don't see it clearly because they don't understand the way things work |
11:30:56 | stripwax | hasmind - I think the build instructions tell you to add http://download.rockbox.org or something to the cygwin setup in order to get all the packages you need. I think. |
11:31:22 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Either way, recommending Loader2 is the same as recommending an unsupported build: If you ever do it, tell the person that they're likely not to be able to receive the same sort of support |
11:31:41 | hasmind | oh, I think I see the problem |
11:31:42 | countrymonkeyweb | It's download.rockbox.org/cygwin. Ok. I am a bit tech-interested. |
11:32:13 | countrymonkeyweb | And 8224? |
11:32:14 | hasmind | http://download.rockbox.org/ |
11:32:15 | hasmind | yeah |
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11:32:42 | stripwax | hasmind - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment Step 3 is pretty clear I think |
11:32:55 | hasmind | no sdl! |
11:32:56 | hasmind | k |
11:33:25 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: It looks like it changes tabs to spaces in an awful lot of files where we might not want to |
11:33:36 | countrymonkeyweb | Task 8224 needs a look. It could solve the problem of tabs for good. |
11:33:36 | stripwax | hasmind - er, you mean this: http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/release/sdl/ |
11:33:42 | stripwax | Looks fine to me |
11:33:54 | hasmind | yes that |
11:33:57 | hasmind | I don't have it |
11:34:01 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: No, it makes more problems |
11:34:03 | linuxstb | hasmind: Do you see the Rockbox compilers there either? e.g. arm-elf-gcc ? |
11:34:05 | countrymonkeyweb | Which files? |
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11:34:13 | stripwax | hasmind - ok so follow through step 3 and the cygwin installer will install it for you |
11:34:16 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: TABs are allowed in any files that come from third party source trees. |
11:34:28 | Llorean | Like all the zxbox ones, for example |
11:34:36 | Llorean | Partially because it makes them easier to keep in sync |
11:34:45 | countrymonkeyweb | Oh. So does that mean all plugins and codecs? |
11:34:50 | Llorean | That means most of them |
11:35:10 | hasmind | k, just a sec, I'll start from the beginning and come back |
11:35:11 | Llorean | It looks like you just globally destroyed all tabs. |
11:35:31 | * | Llorean is pretty sure it describes the tab policy in CONTRIBUTING or some such |
11:35:41 | countrymonkeyweb | How about if I just moved the codecs and plugins dir out of the apps dir and ran it then? I could do that. Would that make it committed? |
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11:36:08 | countrymonkeyweb | Scripting, scripting, scripting. Always messes me up |
11:36:46 | countrymonkeyweb | How about if I just moved the codecs and plugins dir out of the apps dir and ran it then? I could do that. Would that make it committed? |
11:36:50 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Why not try to identify which files actually need this performed, first? |
11:37:03 | Llorean | For example, you also hit a lot of things in the tools tree which use code brought in from outside. |
11:37:52 | * | linuxstb points countrymonkeyweb and Llorean to FS #8108 |
11:37:56 | countrymonkeyweb | Let's se, the bootloader dir, the uisim dir, the apps dir (excluding plugins and codecs), and the flash dir, and the gdb dir. |
11:38:35 | * | JdGordon thought there already was a tab->spaces patch ? |
11:38:46 | * | linuxstb points JdGordon to FS #8108 as well... |
11:39:02 | * | linuxstb stops pointing and goes for coffee |
11:39:08 | JdGordon | yeah thats the one |
11:39:28 | hasmind | yes, finally, it's there |
11:39:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think 8108 is still overbroad perhaps? For example, unzip, etc? |
11:39:36 | hasmind | I had a typo in the rockbox mirror |
11:39:40 | hasmind | haha |
11:39:45 | Llorean | But it's a lot more acceptable I think than the other one |
11:40:01 | countrymonkeyweb | Saw that one. But I thought plugins and codecs should be tab-free. In that case 8224 should be closed. |
11:40:01 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: There are plenty of plugins coded from the ground up for Rockbox... |
11:40:02 | safetydan | I'd vote for a pre-commit hook to check these things |
11:40:17 | Llorean | safetydan: And a way to overrule it for code from other projects? |
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11:40:49 | safetydan | Llorean, it's a script, so you can have whatever logic you want. |
11:41:23 | * | JdGordon agrees with safetydan |
11:41:37 | Llorean | safetydan: I'm just slightly wary of scripts, but I'm in favour of it as long as if it can err, it errs on the "leave them alone" side |
11:41:57 | countrymonkeyweb | Oh, by the way what is the voicefont syntax? I think I might be able to make the makevoices script work with rbspeexenc and the target specific stuff. I will be bored all day. |
11:42:20 | safetydan | Llorean, I wouldn't want the script to automagically remove them. But it could certainly reject commits that have tabs. Though that might get tricky for new external code... |
11:43:01 | Llorean | safetydan: Maybe just have something the committer can throw in the commit message (or somewhere else even) like [imported] that overrules? |
11:43:10 | Llorean | Assuming the script can see, and edit, the commit message? |
11:43:37 | safetydan | Llorean, afaik subversion hook scripts have access to everything |
11:44:31 | Llorean | Then it sounds pretty workable |
11:44:34 | JdGordon | it would have to work with a list of files/folders which should be not touched.. so imported code shouldne be a problem |
11:44:44 | JdGordon | as long as that file was updated before new imported code |
11:44:45 | Llorean | Just reject tabs normally, and just let the committer throw [imported] at the end of the commit message, have it not reject it if that's there, and strip it back out so it doesn't show it in the changelog? |
11:45:25 | stripwax | just noticed that usb_storage is committed - is it built by default? |
11:45:32 | JdGordon | na thats no good... [imported] would be forgotten too often |
11:45:41 | * | stripwax looks for a wiki page describing Bjorn's stack |
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11:47:28 | Llorean | JdGordon: And when forgotten, their commit would get rejected, and they'd just do it again and add it in? |
11:47:46 | JdGordon | that would be very annoying |
11:48:35 | Llorean | So how do you propose allowing the importing of new code with tabs, while rejecting new code with tabs that isn't imported? |
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11:49:04 | JdGordon | im not saying reject.... im saying it should convert if the file is not in the blacklist |
11:49:13 | JdGordon | otherwsie dont touch it |
11:49:19 | JdGordon | or... maybe a whitelist ould be better |
11:49:23 | Llorean | Again, how is that to handle code that's _supposed_ to have tabs, but isn't in the whitelist? |
11:49:24 | Llorean | New code? |
11:49:35 | Llorean | Do you have to commit a change for the whitelist first, then a second commit for the tabbed code? |
11:50:19 | JdGordon | the script has access to the changes.. so it should be able tot be smart enough to see the new code is in not in the whitelsit so dont touch it |
11:50:23 | JdGordon | or vice verca |
11:50:34 | JdGordon | scripts are failry flexible |
11:50:53 | Llorean | So, wait, HOW is the script supposed to now if entirely new code is supposed to have the tabs that are in it or not? |
11:51:11 | JdGordon | we either work on a blacklist or a whitelist.. not both |
11:51:15 | countrymonkeyweb | The whitelist |
11:51:23 | Llorean | Okay, assume a list is a whitelist: Files on it are allowed to have tabs |
11:51:26 | Llorean | You add a new file. |
11:51:27 | Llorean | It has tabs |
11:51:34 | Llorean | How does it know if that file is allowed to have them or not? |
11:51:50 | JdGordon | it would check the changes tot he whitlist... |
11:51:55 | safetydan | or we just ignore it and deal with it one a case by case basis, i.e. business as usual |
11:52:23 | JdGordon | but the whitelist would be something like apps/*.[chS] apps/plugins/*.[ch] |
11:52:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: And then they have to remember to change the whitelist, which of course, is just as forgettable as simply typing [imported] in the commit message... |
11:52:50 | Llorean | And a whitelist that broad would allow the insertion of tabs in say, viewer where they probably don't belong |
11:53:28 | JdGordon | so we commit a mass policing every so often... |
11:54:03 | linuxstb | The whole point is to avoid code-policing, as that makes the svn history less useful |
11:54:50 | Llorean | I still don't think an extra five characters or so in a commit message is going to be terribly onerous on the committer. |
11:55:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: I agree, and it's no problem to just press the up button, modify the commit message and press enter... |
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11:57:11 | aliask | linuxstb: Back on the topic of dual booting, would you have any idea why it would be freezing when jumping to the OF? |
11:58:45 | linuxstb | aliask: Do you have a patch? |
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11:58:57 | aliask | Sure, just let me generate it |
11:59:00 | jhMikeS | sweet...dual-core on pp5002 :) |
11:59:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Nice ;) Is your SPC codec working then? |
11:59:24 | linuxstb | mpegplayer? |
11:59:24 | jhMikeS | yep |
11:59:41 | jhMikeS | no mpegplayer test yet |
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12:00:14 | countrymonkeyweb | Does that mean with this patch applied ipod4g users can use mpegplayer? |
12:00:18 | jhMikeS | I don't doubt it'll work if the SPC does (but it's still not quite fast enough for it :( |
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12:00:47 | linuxstb | countrymonkeyweb: What patch? |
12:00:47 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: 4Gs are pp5020 |
12:00:55 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Is there some reason they can't use it right now? |
12:00:59 | jhMikeS | more IRAM in there I suppose |
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12:01:14 | countrymonkeyweb | <linuxstb> aliask: Do you have a patch? |
12:01:30 | linuxstb | countrymonkeyweb: We're talking about the Gigabeat S |
12:02:06 | countrymonkeyweb | I'm not sure, you all are talking about some patch and mike said sweet, duel core on pp502x targets... I'm still trying to understand. |
12:02:20 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: No, he said "dual-core on pp5002" |
12:02:26 | * | jhMikeS said 5002 |
12:02:30 | countrymonkeyweb | Oh... It's still 3:00 A.M. here. I woke up at 1. |
12:02:31 | Llorean | That would be 1st through 3rd generation iPod |
12:02:41 | Llorean | Dual core has run on 502x for a while now |
12:03:00 | linuxstb | And mpegplayer has also worked on the ipod4g for a while... |
12:03:11 | linuxstb | (although no developers own one...) |
12:03:39 | countrymonkeyweb | I cannot get it working. |
12:03:54 | countrymonkeyweb | the grayscale? |
12:04:19 | aliask | linuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/796752 |
12:04:36 | linuxstb | countrymonkeyweb: Have you tried the Elephants Dream sample video? |
12:04:49 | aliask | I also had to use a custom version of a nk.bin patcher which added our entry at 0x88EC0CD8, and changed the insertion point to that address as well |
12:04:58 | jhMikeS | The SPC codec needs the IRAM still for all the goods on 5002 |
12:05:04 | countrymonkeyweb | Let me try it. I'll get up now. Good excuse to get out of bed. |
12:06:32 | countrymonkeyweb | Let me just build the latest svn. |
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12:06:50 | linuxstb | aliask: The memory mapping is confusing me - where do you think DRAM is mapped to? |
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12:07:26 | aliask | 0x88000000 by the looks of it, but I can't be sure. Memory mapping is one of my hunches for all these freezes |
12:08:17 | linuxstb | aliask: And where do you think the entry point is in the original firmware? |
12:08:21 | jhMikeS | ok, mpegplayer testdrive in a minute |
12:08:57 | countrymonkeyweb | One question. Which copy of elephant's dream should I use for the ipod4g testdrive? |
12:09:03 | aliask | 0x88201000 is the address that the OF bootloader usually jumps to. |
12:09:34 | countrymonkeyweb | One question. Which copy of elephant's dream should I use for the ipod4g testdrive? |
12:10:15 | safetydan | countrymonkeyweb, whichever one most closely matches the resolution of the screen you're using |
12:12:01 | countrymonkeyweb | I don't know. I am using an ipod4g grayscale. |
12:12:20 | Llorean | 160x128 maybe? |
12:12:53 | jhMikeS | what's the screen res on 3g? |
12:13:02 | countrymonkeyweb | Beats me. Under that should I use 289kbps ore 212kbps? |
12:13:36 | linuxstb | aliask: OK, that makes sense. The instruction written to 0x88200000 is also a branch to 0x88201000 |
12:13:41 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I think that it's the same, not sure though |
12:14:10 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: I'd guess those are two different resolutions |
12:14:58 | jhMikeS | ok, I'll de-lazy and check the config.h |
12:15:13 | countrymonkeyweb | The elephant's dream vid has sound, right? I am blind. |
12:15:58 | jhMikeS | bueno, 168x128 |
12:16:01 | jhMikeS | *160 |
12:16:08 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: It should, yes. |
12:16:48 | jhMikeS | if it doesn't something's broken |
12:16:53 | linuxstb | aliask: Where did you get the 0x88ec0cd8 address from? Looking at my copy of nk.bin, that's already used by the OF (maybe you have a different nk.bin?) |
12:17:48 | linuxstb | aliask: In my nk.bin, 0x88ed3c84 would be the next free address. |
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12:18:18 | aliask | linuxstb: Perhaps I did an analysis on a somehow modified nk.bin file |
12:18:35 | aliask | I'll change to your address and see how that goes. |
12:19:17 | jhMikeS | yeah, with the IRAM help, SPC plays fine |
12:19:34 | alsaf | hi I've read in m200 port that newer models may be using differnet chipset, I've just opened up my m240, how can I determine if it has new chipset? |
12:20:01 | linuxstb | What do the major chips say on them? |
12:20:09 | jhMikeS | still getting crazy 0 battery level stuff though. seems something else is weird with that. |
12:20:24 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, DerPapst (I think) reported that on his 3g. |
12:21:01 | alsaf | sandisk 20-99-00112-2 |
12:21:33 | alsaf | s651-691051 |
12:21:34 | jhMikeS | After awhile it starts to read the battery level properly |
12:22:09 | alsaf | 5DC1 |
12:22:13 | alsaf | TAIWAN |
12:22:25 | linuxstb | alsaf: I don't recognise those at all - so I would guess it's the V2. |
12:22:49 | alsaf | on big chip SANDISK C70218301 |
12:23:05 | alsaf | SDTNKLAHSM-1024 |
12:23:07 | aliask | linuxstb: Unfortunately I get the same behaviour. |
12:23:11 | alsaf | CP0032854 |
12:23:14 | alsaf | CHINA |
12:24:35 | jhMikeS | elephant's dream isn't perfect for sure. the dithering looks like beer bubbles :). some slight audio dropping. video is watchable. |
12:25:37 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well these are encoded at full framerate too, though. |
12:25:48 | Llorean | And I bet it's decoding a lot of useless chroma data that promptly doesn't matter. |
12:27:20 | jhMikeS | libmpeg2 should be modded to not decode chorma on grayscale which I don't think would be too difficult but I think the timer causes the audio problems (for the audio thread). |
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12:27:50 | Llorean | Ah |
12:28:15 | jhMikeS | FIQ will interrupt the timer since it's higher priority |
12:28:15 | linuxstb | aliask: I'm looking at it now.... Have you looked at a disassembly of bootloader.bin ? It doesn't seem to be right to me... |
12:28:21 | countrymonkeyweb | Dropping vid on player. |
12:29:36 | linuxstb | aliask: Ah no, it does look OK... |
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12:30:31 | linuxstb | aliask: Does it make any difference if the hold switch is on or off? |
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12:30:51 | aliask | linuxstb: Yes. If it's off it freezes. If it's on, the RB bootloader boots as normal |
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12:31:25 | aliask | Judging by that, I'd say that the ASM is ok |
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12:33:27 | linuxstb | aliask: I'm just testing now - the original firmware seems to have loaded... |
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12:34:07 | aliask | Could you send me your nk.bin file? |
12:35:04 | linuxstb | aliask: And with the hold switch ON, the original firmware appears to load (I get a Windows Mobile splash), and then the screen goes blank - this is with the SVN bootloader, is that expected? |
12:35:39 | aliask | No. |
12:35:52 | linuxstb | Which part? The Windows Mobile splash? |
12:36:00 | aliask | The blank screen bit. |
12:36:12 | linuxstb | I thought Nico_P reported the same? |
12:36:14 | aliask | The WM splash, is that with a progressbar at the bottom? |
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12:36:33 | linuxstb | Yes |
12:36:44 | linuxstb | aliask: Are you using mknkboot.c ? |
12:36:46 | aliask | That's normal, I believe that's the OF bootloader loading nk.bin |
12:37:06 | aliask | linuxstb: I'm using a modified version of the original merge0 tool |
12:37:27 | aliask | Simply for the fact that it was easier to modify to do what I wanted |
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12:37:55 | aliask | Did you modify mknkboot.c? |
12:37:59 | linuxstb | Here are my changes, including the mknkboot.c change - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mydualboot.diff |
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12:39:03 | aliask | If I understand the mknkboot code, that would only put the rockbox bootloader at the correct address, but the address the OF bootloader jumps to would still be 0x88201000 |
12:39:19 | aliask | So the RB bootloader wouldn't ever be loaded |
12:39:52 | linuxstb | Yes, I was just thinking that... |
12:40:30 | aliask | You could edit the nk.bin file by hand easily enough, but to change the mknkboot.c code you'd have to do a little more work |
12:40:35 | linuxstb | So how did you modify the image? |
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12:41:29 | aliask | The 2nd last DWORD in the file will be "00 10 20 88", change that to "84 3c ed 88" |
12:42:04 | countrymonkeyweb | Sory I left. Didn't mean to do that. Elephant's dream will not make sound. Is there a way I could make screendumps since I am blind? That way you all could look and decide how to fix it. |
12:42:20 | aliask | Or if you want to change mknkboot.c it'd be in step 2 |
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12:43:24 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: First off, mpegplayer probably won't work with voice enabled, unless that's been fixed again. Secondly, it has a non-voiced menu you must pass through before you can play the video. |
12:44:31 | countrymonkeyweb | Oh... Can you give me a key sequence from the root menu to playing the vid? |
12:45:11 | countrymonkeyweb | Can I use voice to get into the plugin? |
12:46:02 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do you have a patch of your cache handling for PP5002? |
12:46:25 | markun | countrymonkeyweb: do you want to play video to show friends? |
12:46:26 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Whether you can use voice to get into it or not, depends on whether the bug relating to enabled voice has been fixed or not. I really don't know. |
12:46:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: can pastebin the little bit that there is |
12:47:01 | countrymonkeyweb | To all: has the bug that Paul is talking about been fixed? |
12:47:19 | amiconn | Can't test now because I don't have the G2 with me, but will do so later |
12:47:43 | linuxstb | aliask: OK, it "works" the same as you now - hold switch on, Rockbox bootloader runs, hold switch off, OF freezes when the Windows Mobile progress bar reaches the end. |
12:49:12 | aliask | Do you think the OF could be verifying that the nk.bin is valid? |
12:49:25 | aliask | Rechecking the hashes? |
12:49:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: http://rafb.net/p/BBDSD713.html |
12:50:22 | linuxstb | aliask: I don't think so - I would have expected it to do that before it runs our bootloader. |
12:50:38 | jhMikeS | man, this PP5002 has a fast LRCK. Audio sounds a fraction of semitone sharp. |
12:50:59 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, what's that file? |
12:51:06 | * | amiconn somehow expected a diff |
12:51:08 | jhMikeS | the system file |
12:51:20 | jhMikeS | Too messy right now for diffing :) |
12:51:23 | amiconn | Also, the #defines will probably go into pp5002.h |
12:51:28 | JdGordon | what am i missing to get rombox compiling? is it not the archosrom variable in configure? (ive fixed rom.lds) |
12:51:37 | jhMikeS | they are, I just pasted 'em in there to have the numbers |
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12:54:48 | * | jhMikeS really needs to run test_cache and test_queue to hyper-verify everything |
12:57:16 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Are your sure about the uncached alias address? |
12:57:29 | amiconn | SDRAM is at 0x28000000 on PP5002 before remapping afaik |
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12:59:23 | jhMikeS | ooh right, perhaps not then |
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13:00:13 | jhMikeS | none have > 32 MB, right? |
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13:01:05 | jhMikeS | well, wait...it may still be right as long as ram can repeat itself...the mask will still take effect the same way |
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13:01:48 | linuxstb | aliask: I seem to be having recovery problems... I can (repeatedly) enter recovery mode, but after restoring the firmware, the LCD goes white... |
13:02:07 | * | markun wonders how difficult it would be to adapt this to the new usb stack: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/usb_serial.c?view=markup |
13:02:39 | pixelma | JdGordon: what do you mean with your rombox question? |
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13:03:41 | JdGordon | I want to try getting rombox going on the e200... but cant seem to figure out how to get it to try even building a rombox bin |
13:03:49 | aliask | linuxstb: Trying to restore a clean OF? |
13:03:51 | stripwax | markun - which device does that usb_serial work with? |
13:03:55 | linuxstb | aliask: Yes. |
13:04:02 | markun | stripwax: the ifp |
13:04:10 | jhMikeS | amiconn: since the mask will be correct, I'll check out the idea of mapping it twice if address decoding won't alias it there automatically. |
13:04:40 | aliask | linuxstb: I had something similar happen once before, but it seemed to be random |
13:04:51 | amiconn | Why not use the physical alias at the different address? (if it works, of course) |
13:05:09 | aliask | If I just tried again it would work. Though this was with the gigabeat v updater. |
13:05:10 | jhMikeS | the bit pattern may not be so friendly to it |
13:05:13 | linuxstb | aliask: And then if I turn the battery switch off and on, I get the "1" in a triangle screen, and then it slowly fades to white... |
13:05:47 | linuxstb | aliask: Maybe my battery is low, I'll charge it for a while and try again later... |
13:06:00 | aliask | Sounds like it's not updating the LCD... |
13:06:07 | jhMikeS | will think about it later and see if I can keep the ROM cached at the same time |
13:07:05 | jhMikeS | main point here is this is working and pretty much on a first try (had to figure out which address range was flush and which invalidate) |
13:09:06 | markun | stripwax: being able to use a player as a USB soundcard would also be fun |
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13:10:33 | jhMikeS | Yep, SPCs playing happily for awhile now. Pretty much proves it out. |
13:11:12 | stripwax | markun - heh, fun but kinda pointless :) |
13:12:16 | amiconn | mrf |
13:12:18 | markun | stripwax: yes, a bit :) |
13:12:36 | JdGordon | markun: usb_serial is so the device acts as a serial port to the comp? |
13:12:38 | amiconn | The table settings patch has a failing hunk :( |
13:12:46 | stripwax | hm, so for fun I have built pacbox to use 30fps on ipod video, and taken out the IDATA_ATTR and IBSS_ATTR attributes, and removed the PLUGIN_IRAM_DECLARE and PLUGIN_IRAM_INIT calls |
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13:12:56 | markun | JdGordon: yes |
13:13:02 | JdGordon | amiconn: you probably broke it with the sound setting.. shoudlnt be hard to fix |
13:13:12 | amiconn | Yeah, probably |
13:13:21 | stripwax | but it seems to cause pacbox to just freeze. Did I miss something or should that work? |
13:13:35 | JdGordon | markun: does the usb code work enough that trying to port it would be useful? |
13:13:45 | * | stripwax is trying to see how fast he can push pacbox now that 5g lcd is massively faster |
13:13:49 | markun | JdGordon: I have no idea. Will ask Zagor. |
13:14:42 | JdGordon | oh wait.... I want a the device to connect to another usb device over serial... that may not be what the plugin does |
13:14:48 | markun | A serial driver would be more useful than UMS for the gigabeat F when/if we get the stack to run on it |
13:15:34 | aliask | markun: Why do you say that? |
13:15:44 | JdGordon | what does "error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.glue_7'" mean and how do I go about fixing it? |
13:15:59 | Llorean | aliask: Gigabeat F already has USB storage class mode anyway? |
13:16:20 | markun | aliask: because we already have UMS and 2.0 speed (vs the 1.1 we would get) |
13:16:32 | markun | s/and/at/ |
13:16:45 | aliask | Does the USB stack support UMS already? |
13:17:14 | aliask | Oh sorry, I misunderstood |
13:17:41 | aliask | What would you use serial for anyway? |
13:18:23 | JdGordon | apart from the ram addresses.. shouldnt rom.lds and apps.lds be identical? |
13:19:04 | amiconn | Of course not |
13:19:33 | JdGordon | ok then... |
13:19:45 | * | JdGordon goes back to hoping someone else gets rombox going :( |
13:20:06 | amiconn | .data and .bss must of course go into ram even with rombox, and the main stack too |
13:20:35 | markun | aliask: now it's used for debuging |
13:21:42 | aliask | markun: Ah, of course. Definitely handy |
13:22:32 | stripwax | markun - is USB storage working in current builds (and if so for which devices)? |
13:25:13 | stripwax | oh, I see what you mean. forget that. |
13:27:34 | amiconn | JdGordon: Looks like the failed hunk was just due to stripped whitespace in option_select.c |
13:28:01 | JdGordon | bah, lame :p |
13:28:27 | amiconn | I've put that hunk in manually |
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13:36:25 | stripwax | when my modified pacbox hangs, it displays "-3298337.-52 / 30 fps" , and that ".-52" weirds me out a bit |
13:37:35 | stripwax | Should I expect pacbox to run (albeit slowly) without iram usage? |
13:38:33 | stripwax | Hm, on Gigabeat, does audio playback use iram at all? (I seem to remember it's possible to play audio while running pacbox) |
13:39:21 | Llorean | stripwax: iirc, the Gigabeat has so little IRAM that it's treated as if it has none, or something like that. |
13:40:02 | amiconn | That still puzzles me. Why not use the iram if it's there, at least in the core? |
13:40:03 | stripwax | Llorean- ah! That makes sense then. |
13:40:06 | * | Llorean routinely listens to music while playing Gameboy games, and would be surprised if Pacbox doesn't work with music on it. |
13:40:33 | amiconn | Iirc gigabeat has 4KB iram - same size as SH1 iram |
13:40:52 | stripwax | Llorean - it probably works fine. I'd like to investigate the required change to pacbox to achieve same for ipod 5g |
13:40:55 | Llorean | amiconn: I think it's just low on the list of priorities for anyone to look at. |
13:41:37 | Llorean | Isn't IRAM needed, or at least very helpful, in getting RoLo to work too? |
13:41:39 | * | Llorean might be confused. |
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13:44:48 | n1s | Llorean: iram _IS_ used for rolo on gigabeat, (it uses the actual __attribute__(section) thingy it's just the various I*_ATTR macros that are empty |
13:44:57 | stripwax | What's the difference between IDATA_ATTR and IBSS_ATTR? |
13:45:07 | n1s | bss is zeroed out |
13:45:31 | n1s | or emore correctly doesn't contain anything on load |
13:45:54 | stripwax | n1s - thanks |
13:47:39 | bertrik | IIRC, bss *needs* to be cleared, it can not be left uninitialised, gcc depends on variables in bss to be zero |
13:47:59 | bertrik | Last time I looked at it, a variable initialised to zero in the C code was placed in bss |
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13:49:18 | stripwax | So for anything initialized at runtime, it shouldn't matter whether it is declared as idata or ibss? |
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13:51:59 | stripwax | just trying to get my head around commits like this http://osdir.com/ml/systems.archos.rockbox.cvs/2005-10/msg00122.html |
13:54:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: oddly enough, 3g doesn't complain like H10 about switching frequency while the COP is active. |
13:55:13 | amiconn | Maybe pp invented clock skipping because of this kind of problems? |
13:55:36 | amiconn | Afaik PP5002 doesn't have the clock skipping feature either |
13:56:04 | jhMikeS | you mentioned pp5020 ipods don't do the skipping? |
13:56:20 | amiconn | They do in several places, but not in the clock setup routine |
13:56:35 | amiconn | Perhaps the caller already stops the cop... |
13:56:39 | jhMikeS | on H10 it's not directly in the routine |
13:56:43 | bertrik | stripwax: I think the intention is to make sure that uninitialised variables don't take up precious space in the application binary |
13:57:22 | bertrik | variables in the data section are copied from the application binary at startup (making it bigger), variables in bss are just zeroed on startup |
13:57:46 | preglow | linuxstb: any reason why that tabs to spaces patch isn't just commited? |
13:58:41 | jhMikeS | yeah, they created a new bug and hacked around it to market it as a "clock skipping feature" rather than just admit they suck. :p |
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14:00:18 | stripwax | bertrik - ah-hah, so uninitialised data and initialised data are allocated the same way in the binary without the bss 'hint'. Thanks, that's good to know |
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14:00:43 | jhMikeS | some evidence of that is found in the fact they didn't employ it for udelays even though it should be used to assist that |
14:00:57 | daurnimator | hey |
14:01:00 | daurnimator | you guys see this? |
14:01:00 | daurnimator | http://open.neurostechnology.com/node/1020 |
14:01:08 | daurnimator | dm320 is now open |
14:01:20 | jhMikeS | open to what? |
14:01:28 | daurnimator | dsp is no longer pretty much illegel to code for ;) |
14:01:36 | daurnimator | (they released a dsp compiler) |
14:02:05 | jhMikeS | what about the chip docs? still secret? |
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14:02:27 | * | jhMikeS already has the compiler |
14:02:29 | daurnimator | they were never secret |
14:02:44 | daurnimator | though they are of questionable legality |
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14:04:32 | stripwax | Hm, so even with playback stopped, my pacbox build will hang on startup unless I call PLUGIN_IRAM_INIT(api) .. even if I am not allocating any data in iram. Does that make sense? |
14:05:22 | stripwax | Can I tell from the object files whether some data is still being allocated to an iram section? |
14:07:04 | stripwax | Ah, as usual the map file tells all. |
14:07:40 | stripwax | The ipod asm blit is also icode. |
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14:15:06 | n1s | stripwax: just change .section .icode to .section .text |
14:15:10 | stripwax | yep |
14:15:28 | frawfraw | I'm curious. what's the best "rockbox hardware"? |
14:15:31 | frawfraw | That is... |
14:15:34 | n1s | I doubt it will be fast enough to run while playing music though... |
14:15:40 | frawfraw | What do you guys feel is best? |
14:15:43 | stripwax | I'm getting > 20 fps even without idata but just testing without icode blt |
14:15:47 | n1s | frawfraw: depends on what you want |
14:15:50 | linuxstb | aliask: (if you read the logs) My S is fine again now - I let it charge for a while, then the restore worked. |
14:16:47 | frawfraw | You mean, size video etc? |
14:16:52 | frawfraw | What do you use? |
14:17:19 | n1s | frawfraw: yes, there are a lot of parameters, I currently use an iriver h320 and am happy with it |
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14:18:30 | preglow | linuxstb: any reason why that tabs to spaces patch isn't just commited? |
14:18:34 | frawfraw | I ask because, my iPod 4th gen has about 4 hour battery cycles, so I probably need to invest in a new unit |
14:18:49 | stripwax | frawfraw - 4hrs with the original firmware or with rockbox only? |
14:19:02 | stripwax | the elderly irivers offer really good battery life |
14:19:02 | frawfraw | rockbox says "4 hours" |
14:19:03 | amiconn | Hrrrmmm, +600 bytes :( |
14:19:16 | frawfraw | this seems similar to what I've seen on the original firmware |
14:19:28 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't think so, no. |
14:19:41 | n1s | stripwax: if you can find one with a decently fresh battery, mine is starting to show it's age after 3 years of use |
14:19:56 | stripwax | n1s - battery replacements are pretty cheap still I think |
14:19:59 | preglow | linuxstb: then it seems kind of silly to reject a newer patch which doesn't need syncing |
14:20:11 | Soap_ | frawfraw: You should not base anything on that estimate Rockbox gives you of battery life. |
14:20:27 | Soap_ | or atleast, not solely |
14:20:32 | linuxstb | preglow: It was rejected because it changed _every_ tab - the older one was more selective. I should have mentioned that when I closed it... |
14:20:43 | stripwax | frawfraw - if the Apple firmware gives you about 4 hours of battery life, then you may need a new battery |
14:20:44 | frawfraw | stripwax - I don't want to replace the battery, just like I don't want to use iTunes ;) . I'm looking for a unit that can use rechargable 3rd party batteries that I can replace myself. |
14:20:53 | preglow | linuxstb: oh, ok, that's different |
14:21:22 | stripwax | frawfraw - replacing the battery would be cheaper than buying a new unit, no? |
14:21:27 | * | stripwax shrugs |
14:21:31 | frawfraw | the first time. |
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14:22:11 | Soap_ | When you say 3rd party batteries - you mean off-the-shelf ones? Like AA or AAA's? |
14:22:15 | frawfraw | yea |
14:22:30 | stripwax | frawfraw - how many times do you think you will need to *replace* the battery (3rd party or otherwise). You don't have to pay money to Apple to replace your 4g battery |
14:22:32 | linuxstb | stripwax: If pacbox can run on the ipods without IRAM, then we should be able to run it on the COP, meaning it would work whilst music is playing... |
14:22:38 | Soap_ | Archos made a range of products supported by Rockbox and that run off of AA batteries. |
14:22:40 | stripwax | linuxstb - ooh. |
14:22:58 | frawfraw | stripwax - really? what do I need to do? is there a link somewhere? |
14:23:01 | linuxstb | stripwax: Although I'm not sure what would happen if you tried to play an SPC file - that codec is also using the COP... |
14:23:04 | stripwax | Ha. 20fps without iram. |
14:23:07 | frawfraw | stripwax - I thought it was 100$ or so |
14:23:20 | Soap_ | oh lord no, less than $30 frawfraw |
14:23:27 | preglow | linuxstb: that's assuming we don't run codecs on the cop at some point... |
14:23:30 | stripwax | 25fps ingame .. |
14:23:56 | stripwax | so the asm blit is actually faster when not in icode .. |
14:23:59 | pixelma | Soap: and AAAs (Ondio) :) |
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14:24:41 | * | stripwax unpauses the music and launches pacbox a second time .. |
14:25:21 | Galois | it's $59 to replace a battery through Apple |
14:25:23 | frawfraw | soap_: what about in euro zones? |
14:27:04 | Soap_ | frawfraw: this is a job for google |
14:28:02 | stripwax | frawfraw - diy from ebay? |
14:28:19 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it uses no resources outside the codec area so anything should work the same |
14:28:53 | stripwax | ok, so pacbox happily runs at 20+fps but audio ceases until you return to the plugin menu ;-) |
14:29:04 | stripwax | oh. wonder if it's just not yielding |
14:29:22 | * | stripwax forgot he'd turned off the fps limit |
14:30:23 | linuxstb | stripwax: I'm pretty sure it works on the gigabeat whilst music is playing. |
14:30:49 | stripwax | linuxstb - yep, I remember either you or GodEater showing me ;) |
14:32:28 | stripwax | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7833?pagenum=3 <−− has this been reopened recently, can it be committed? |
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14:35:04 | stripwax | linuxstb - pacbox tries to run at the minimum fps and won't yield otherwise |
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14:36:35 | stripwax | actually that doesn't seem to be true but I'll see if I can work out what's going on |
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15:37:26 | * | amiconn is undecided what to do with the table settings code :/ |
15:38:48 | amiconn | It makes things more flexible and less error prone, but add quite a few bytes to the binary |
15:38:54 | amiconn | *adds |
15:39:54 | preglow | table settings? |
15:39:59 | preglow | settings using values from a table? |
15:40:04 | amiconn | yes |
15:40:13 | preglow | more flexible and less error prone is more important than bytes, if you ask me |
15:40:17 | preglow | instead optimize some other place in the code |
15:40:26 | amiconn | It allows to get rid of the synchronised table in apps/ and firmware/ |
15:40:27 | preglow | as some sort of penance :) |
15:40:34 | preglow | amiconn: oh, commit, commit |
15:40:35 | amiconn | *tables |
15:40:48 | amiconn | Right now I only applied it to backlight timeouts |
15:41:02 | amiconn | Binsize penalty is +600bytes on 1st/2nd Gen |
15:41:23 | amiconn | If it goes in, I want to apply it to other places as well |
15:41:53 | amiconn | Backlight fading, seek acceleration, poweroff timeout etc |
15:42:18 | amiconn | It's basically an int setting with non-contiguous values |
15:42:36 | amiconn | It even allows setting a value that is not in the table, via a .cfg file |
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15:42:49 | preglow | well, it sounds all good |
15:42:57 | amiconn | As a little extra, JdGordon made it add that special value dynamically when displaying the setting |
15:43:03 | preglow | and like i said, i think robustness and correctness weigh more than binary size |
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15:51:31 | stripwax | right so pacbox runs just fine on ipods without iram. Is it easy to try running it on cop? |
15:51:59 | stripwax | Replacing the three-hundred-odd very similar functions with a handful of primatives would give caching benefits greater than using iram, I'd expect |
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15:59:30 | Soap | I don't mean to ask a stupid question (but it appears it is all I do...) but why PacBox on the COP? Just to do it - or is there a performance problem as is? |
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16:00:53 | stripwax | Soap - linuxstb mentioned a bit ago that if it can run on ipod without requiring iram, then it could be run on cop (instead) and get audio on the main cpu at the same time |
16:01:19 | stripwax | There's just not enough just to run pacbox at 20fps *and* audio on one cpu currently |
16:01:32 | stripwax | ^enough just^enough juice |
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16:02:25 | stripwax | It kinda works but there's more silence than audio actually coming out |
16:07:05 | preglow | why can't it use iram to run on the cop? |
16:08:02 | stripwax | preglow - don't the codecs require iram on ipod? |
16:08:09 | Soap | That's cool, stripwax, and I appreciate the answer to my question. Second question, then, is wasn't there a plan to move audio playback to the COP eventually? |
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16:08:43 | Llorean | Soap: I believe the idea now is to let each codec decide for itself if it wants to use the COP for anything |
16:08:47 | Llorean | Like the SPC currently does |
16:08:52 | Llorean | SPC codec, rather |
16:09:02 | stripwax | preglow - or does the COP have its own? I'm sure you/linuxstb know the architecture far better than I |
16:09:37 | preglow | no |
16:09:43 | preglow | yeah, it's because the codec needs the ram |
16:09:48 | preglow | didn't think of that, thought it was a cop issue |
16:09:49 | stripwax | ok |
16:10:40 | preglow | Llorean: i think that's more of an ad-hoc thing, i think the idea is still to make codecs run on the cop |
16:12:19 | Llorean | preglow: I'm in favour of keeping the codecs as far away from slowing down the UI as possible. :) |
16:12:29 | preglow | Llorean: then we are in agreement |
16:12:53 | preglow | anything using a control interface liks ipods needs to have a glitch-free ui |
16:14:24 | Llorean | And needs to feel responsive. |
16:14:36 | Llorean | It's getting better, but it'd be nice if there was enough overhead that people couldn't tell when it's boosting |
16:14:38 | stripwax | Seems that making the selection highlight bar translucent doesn't slow down the ui much at all ;) I'll submit a patch for that |
16:14:50 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, that's a must |
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16:14:58 | preglow | stripwax: ooooh, cool |
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16:16:18 | stripwax | preglow - I've extended the Gradient option to include an opacity, essentially, although my test was klunky and used a hard coded alpha. Looks nice though |
16:16:30 | preglow | stripwax: and i'd love to see it |
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16:17:28 | Soap | screenshots are demanded. |
16:17:30 | Soap | ;) |
16:17:57 | preglow | hmm |
16:18:04 | preglow | i wonder how common extended id666 tags are |
16:18:30 | stripwax | www.beermex.com/trans.bmp ;) |
16:18:45 | stripwax | wdyt? ;) |
16:19:13 | preglow | that does indeed look kinda sweet, but i'm starting to see why apple split the screen in two for ipod classic :P |
16:19:46 | stripwax | the drop shadow text experiment didn't work out quite so well but I'll maybe have a patch for that at some point too |
16:20:19 | stripwax | preglow - not sure I understand (although I've not seen the ipod classic ui) |
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16:20:45 | Llorean | The iPod Classic UI only draws lists on the left half of the screen, iirc |
16:20:45 | preglow | stripwax: then you wouldn't understand, no. they've split it in two panes, the left is the ordinary menu/list thing, and the right does other stuff, like show album art |
16:22:31 | stripwax | preglow - ok. hm. and what's the 'why' ? |
16:22:59 | preglow | stripwax: because more than half of the screen is unused at these resolutions |
16:23:04 | preglow | it doesn't look very good |
16:23:33 | Llorean | Some people make up for it by using very, very large fonts |
16:23:40 | preglow | yes, some |
16:23:50 | preglow | i don't see that as a solution |
16:24:04 | stripwax | Some filenames / track titles are quite long though, no? |
16:24:06 | preglow | Buschel: here? |
16:24:21 | * | stripwax eeks. his translucency goes crazy when a line is scrolling |
16:24:23 | Llorean | Well, with viewports, maybe we can come up with a use or two for the other half? |
16:24:27 | preglow | stripwax: i don't really see that as a good point to let most of the screen go unused, file names can scroll |
16:24:36 | preglow | Llorean: yup, we'll see |
16:24:41 | Llorean | Though personally, I'd like to steal the bottom 2 lines of the display for "Title" and a progress bar. |
16:24:43 | stripwax | Llorean- fingers crossed :) |
16:25:05 | Llorean | Something that actually could be done even without viewports, now that I actually stop to think about it at all. |
16:25:06 | Soap_ | yea, stripwax, and they scroll. But the majority of track names and menu titles in most people's lives fit quite well in that 160 pixel wide slot. |
16:25:33 | Soap_ | Llorean: Ahh - Sansa Original Firmware got you thinking about that too? |
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16:26:26 | Llorean | Soap_: The Sansa original firmware reminded me of that. Originally my thought was simply "split the screen, top half uses the top half of the WPS, bottom half is the 'list' viewer". |
16:26:49 | preglow | Llorean: the problem is horizontal, not vertical, if you ask me |
16:27:00 | Llorean | preglow: I agree, to an extent |
16:27:07 | Llorean | But my primary players are Portrait now. |
16:27:11 | Soap_ | and you think it can be done w/o viewports in such a manner it isn't reinventing the wheel (duplicating the effort of viewports)? |
16:27:23 | preglow | never even seen one of those |
16:27:35 | Llorean | Soap_: Oh, no, it's *absolutely* duplicating effort. |
16:27:40 | Soap_ | Gigabeat and Sansa = portrait. |
16:28:00 | Llorean | Soap_: But if I'd realized it could be done say, a year 'n a half ago, it wouldn't necessarily have been doing so for quite some time. |
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16:38:00 | JavaMan22 | how do i use the sample.colours in .rockbox/doc |
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17:01:17 | PaulJam | JavaMan22: copy it in the themes folder and put the line "filetype colours: /.rockbox/themes/sample.colours" in your config.cfg |
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17:02:53 | webguest53 | Anybody, what "Sould not MD5 Sum original firmware" means? |
17:03:17 | bluebrother | webguest53: trying to patch the h100 / h300 OF? |
17:03:28 | webguest53 | yep |
17:03:37 | * | bluebrother really likes it when people fail to tell vital information in the first place |
17:04:11 | bluebrother | well, to ensure the OF file is correct / the patching worked fine the files are checked using a hash mechanism called md5 |
17:04:39 | bluebrother | if md5summing the OF didn't work you either used an unsupported OF version or a wrong / broken file |
17:05:17 | PaulJam | i think the fwpatcher doesn't support the most recent h300 firmware (1.31) |
17:05:25 | webguest53 | wait, it's more like i'm trying to update the rockbox firmware, sorry for misleading in the very beginning |
17:05:42 | Llorean | PaulJam: 1.31 is a US version, isn't it? |
17:05:50 | Llorean | I didn't think FWPatcher supported any US versions |
17:05:57 | bluebrother | you don't need to update the bootloader if you have int installed already |
17:05:59 | JavaMan22 | PaulJam: thx |
17:06:37 | PaulJam | Llorean: no, 1.31 is the firmware that has this minesweeper game. it was only relases as korean and japanese version afaik |
17:06:45 | webguest53 | thanks for the info, i'm kinda new with that |
17:06:51 | preglow | bluebrother: oy, what is the proper of converting a qstring to a char* i can pass to the usual fopen() and co functions? |
17:06:55 | Llorean | PaulJam: Hm, I must be thinking of something else. |
17:08:01 | bluebrother | preglow: string.toLatin1() or string.toLocal8Bit() |
17:08:16 | preglow | bluebrother: sounds like the first one would just strip any illegal characters |
17:08:26 | preglow | and i definitely want to preserve them |
17:08:26 | bluebrother | but that returns a QByteArray |
17:09:02 | bluebrother | and data() on a QByteArray returns a char* |
17:09:23 | bluebrother | maybe you want to use toUtf8()? |
17:10:26 | preglow | local8bit sounds more correct, i don't know what character encoding fopen() and co want, but i guess it is the current locale |
17:10:54 | bluebrother | I guess so. |
17:11:47 | preglow | but i don't really know, i can't find much info on what fopen() and co like |
17:11:56 | JavaMan22 | whats the height of the sysfont? |
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17:13:20 | preglow | i like that fact that i just got a voiced segment even though _all_ my voice options are off |
17:13:26 | bluebrother | you could also try to use QFile::open() |
17:13:48 | preglow | bluebrother: if i could modify the code, i wouldn't even bother using fopen() |
17:14:42 | bluebrother | ah, ok ... in that case you can't use that ;-) |
17:14:50 | stripwax | preglow/soap/linuxstb well, that totally works, audio and 20fps on ipod 5g |
17:14:56 | dionoea | Hum. My ipod's been plugged to USB for 2 hours to charge (in rockbox) and it looks like it's discharging instead (acording to the graph in the debug screen) |
17:15:21 | Soap_ | nice stripwax |
17:15:22 | dionoea | I guess that's related to the recent USB stack changes |
17:15:23 | preglow | bluebrother: i think i'm going to integrate rbspeexenc directly into rbutil |
17:15:35 | stripwax | dionoea - rockbox charging still only draws a minimum current over USB, rather than the 500ma that the OF would draw |
17:15:43 | preglow | bluebrother: and i thought that if i could just reuse as much of rbspeexenc.c as possible, all would be good |
17:15:49 | bluebrother | hmm, IIRC rbutil does a similar thing with ipodpatcher / sansapatcher |
17:16:01 | preglow | bluebrother: but perhaps it's smarter to split out the file handling somehow |
17:16:19 | preglow | hmm, yes it does |
17:16:24 | preglow | that's worth checking out |
17:16:31 | dionoea | stripwax: well with older builds it did charge ... |
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17:25:34 | Soap_ | dionoea: in that case I would search flyspray, and if this has not already been reported file a bug. |
17:26:10 | JavaMan22 | ok finally compiling my periodic table port :D |
17:26:26 | Soap_ | It would be cool if you could attach two battery_bench results to the bug report. One with an old build showing a couple of hours of charging while plugged into USB, and one with a current build showing a couple of hours of (no) charging while plugged into USB. |
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17:29:53 | JavaMan22 | noooo |
17:30:00 | JavaMan22 | errors |
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17:36:44 | bluebrother | sooo ... to try UMS, what do I have to do? Add some define? |
17:37:00 | stripwax | Hm, pacbox now hangs when the cop thread brings up the game menu.. I'll try sticking that menu on the main thread instead |
17:37:45 | JavaMan22 | im down to 1 error! |
17:37:50 | JavaMan22 | :) |
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17:40:20 | JavaMan22 | is LCD_WIDTH already used somewhere else |
17:40:35 | stripwax | "else"? |
17:40:43 | stripwax | it's used "everywhere", if that helps? |
17:40:46 | n1s | JavaMan22: yes, it's part of the target configure |
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17:41:43 | JavaMan22 | tru thats why then |
17:42:20 | JavaMan22 | n1s: what about SCREEN_WIDTH |
17:42:32 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Why not just use the existing LCD_WIDTH? |
17:42:39 | n1s | JavaMan22: grep is your friend :) |
17:42:56 | JavaMan22 | true true |
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17:43:33 | JavaMan22 | ok it should be able to compile this time |
17:43:38 | JavaMan22 | :) :) :) |
17:43:57 | bobrules | hey where can I see the version number of the latest current build? |
17:44:11 | JavaMan22 | in rockbox info |
17:44:50 | JavaMan22 | nooo |
17:44:53 | JavaMan22 | MORE ERRORS |
17:45:00 | bobrules | where's rockbox info? |
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17:45:11 | JavaMan22 | ok go to rockbox menu |
17:45:17 | JavaMan22 | then go to the last item |
17:45:19 | bobrules | no like the latest build on the site |
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17:45:25 | bluebrother | *grrr* |
17:45:27 | bobrules | so I can know if I need to update |
17:45:31 | JavaMan22 | it always got the latest |
17:45:34 | Soap_ | hover over the [diff] link on the front page of the most recent SVN commit, or read the small print on http://build.rockbox.org/ (which you get to by clicking on "Current Build" from the front page) |
17:45:38 | JavaMan22 | the website builds everyday |
17:45:38 | bluebrother | something seems to cause lockups with this NIC :( |
17:45:47 | Llorean | JavaMan22: It builds a lot more than daily |
17:45:51 | n1s | bobrules: the r is just under all the links in the "current build" page |
17:45:52 | JavaMan22 | tru |
17:45:55 | bobrules | oh so this r15802? |
17:46:01 | Soap_ | yes |
17:46:17 | goffa | lol.. one way to know if you have latest build is to look at your watch |
17:46:20 | Soap_ | if your build is more than a few hours old, I promise you it is not current. |
17:46:26 | goffa | if 10 minutes has passed you probably don't have the latest :) |
17:46:44 | bobrules | is there like a change log that I can look at? |
17:46:56 | JavaMan22 | periodic.c:(.text+0x488): undefined reference to `lcd_fillrect' |
17:46:56 | JavaMan22 | periodic.c:(.text+0x48c): undefined reference to `lcd_drawrect' |
17:46:56 | JavaMan22 | periodic.c:(.text+0x490): undefined reference to `strcpy' |
17:46:56 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JavaMan22 |
17:46:56 | JavaMan22 | periodic.c:(.text+0x494): undefined reference to `strlen' |
17:47:00 | goffa | on the main page at rockbox.org |
17:47:03 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Please don't spam the channel |
17:47:05 | bluebrother | the front page has a svn log ... |
17:47:06 | JavaMan22 | ok |
17:47:14 | bobrules | ok thx |
17:47:23 | JavaMan22 | i thought lcd_fillrect was already in plugin.h? |
17:47:32 | n1s | JavaMan22: use the rb-> pointer |
17:47:36 | JavaMan22 | o i forgot |
17:47:52 | bobrules | SVN is called Subversion right? |
17:48:00 | stripwax | yes |
17:49:23 | bobrules | wow it's been 1 day, and my version is outdated |
17:50:17 | goffa | i really should update and try out the new usb stack |
17:51:07 | PaulJam | goffa: but be aware that it isn't very functional yet. |
17:51:27 | goffa | ah... maybe i should wait then :) |
17:52:25 | bobrules | Should I update once a month or once every week |
17:52:34 | JavaMan22 | every week :) |
17:52:41 | goffa | no |
17:52:44 | JavaMan22 | :( |
17:52:45 | goffa | when you see fit :) |
17:52:51 | bluebrother | if you are satisfied with a build there is no need to update |
17:53:11 | Llorean | bobrules: Update when you see a new feature you want, or a bug fixed that bothers you |
17:53:11 | bluebrother | otoh, if you want to get new features and help finding bugs you should update as often as possible ;-) |
17:53:39 | goffa | yeah... then give reports if you do that |
17:53:54 | bobrules | ok |
17:54:03 | bobrules | nothing new changed in the past 2 days right? |
17:54:38 | JavaMan22 | you can see the changes on the main page |
17:54:55 | goffa | look under subversion rather than project news |
17:54:57 | JavaMan22 | it tells you what change was made and the revision and by whom |
17:55:05 | goffa | project news is major changes |
17:55:09 | goffa | svn is everything |
17:55:22 | stripwax | bobrules - lots of things have changed in the past 2 days |
17:56:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
17:56:02 | * | bluebrother notices the m:robe being part of the svn builds |
17:56:06 | JavaMan22 | what is wrong with this: periodic_tinyfont_draw_string(tx, ty, tt, ((i == periodic_sel)?((LCD_WHITE):(LCD_BLACK)))); |
17:56:28 | JavaMan22 | i know it is the ? comparison part |
17:56:30 | stripwax | JavaMan22 - too many brackets after the ? |
17:56:35 | JavaMan22 | o |
17:56:39 | stripwax | should be ?LCD_WHITE:LCD_BLACK |
17:56:45 | JavaMan22 | thats wat i had tho |
17:56:47 | stripwax | not ?(LCD_WHITE:LCD_BLACK) |
17:56:51 | JavaMan22 | let me try again |
17:57:11 | bobrules | you guys do a great job, keep up the good work |
17:58:22 | JavaMan22 | i found out that this periodic table has a built in font |
17:58:29 | JavaMan22 | so i dont need to wry about it :D |
17:59:32 | bobrules | hey, in the database menu, can you guys put a menu that says play all tracks? and it will auto paly a song at random? |
17:59:49 | JavaMan22 | periodic.c:(.text+0x30c): undefined reference to `strcpy' <<< i clearly include <string.h> why doesnt this error go away |
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18:00:02 | JavaMan22 | bobrules there is a setting for shuffle |
18:00:39 | bobrules | no, when you enter database right, I want to see a choice that says play all tracks |
18:00:43 | stripwax | bobrules - *please* read the manual, as we have suggested to you a couple of times recently |
18:01:01 | bobrules | instead of choosing which song I want to begin with |
18:01:18 | stripwax | bobrules - have you read the manual? |
18:01:23 | bobrules | yes |
18:01:43 | bobrules | I'm not talking about shuffle |
18:02:21 | JavaMan22 | is including other lib not allowed? |
18:02:37 | stripwax | bobrules - and going to "album" and then selecting "<All tracks>" doesn't do exactly what you need? |
18:02:45 | bobrules | too much work |
18:02:58 | stripwax | bobrules - in what way? |
18:03:02 | JavaMan22 | lol youre too much work |
18:03:19 | bobrules | when you click all tracks, you have to then choose a song to start with |
18:03:54 | stripwax | bobrules - how else will rockbox know which track you want to listen to, if you don't select it? |
18:04:07 | Llorean | stripwax: He want absolute random |
18:04:19 | amiconn | preglow: Do you think 'short' should be sufficient for table-ized int setting? |
18:04:20 | Llorean | Which of course can be accomplished by simply "Insert Shuffled"-ing the all-tracks |
18:04:23 | stripwax | Llorean - I thought he said "I'm not talking about shuffle" |
18:04:31 | amiconn | I would think so, and it would save a bit of space |
18:04:42 | Llorean | stripwax: I think he meant "I want a way to do it other than shuffle" |
18:04:52 | stripwax | Llorean - oh |
18:05:02 | bobrules | ok let me make it clearer |
18:05:08 | bobrules | when you click data base |
18:05:19 | bobrules | there are album, track,artist blah balh blah |
18:05:39 | bobrules | why not implement a tab called play all tracks |
18:05:51 | stripwax | bobrules - Can you tell us what that would do when you select it? |
18:06:00 | Llorean | Does "Play Selected Item First: No" not work under database? |
18:06:13 | stripwax | bobrules - tell us exactly what you are trying to do, and we'll tell you how to do it without rewriting or changing anything |
18:06:25 | bobrules | wait let me try it |
18:06:50 | stripwax | bobrules - so I'm guessing here - do you want to listen to a completely random track out of all of your music? |
18:07:09 | bobrules | ok when you click play all tracks right |
18:07:22 | bobrules | it auto matically choose a random song |
18:07:31 | * | Llorean just keeps all his tracks in one folder, and when he wants a random one, chooses "Insert Shuffled" on that folder |
18:07:42 | preglow | amiconn: well, i'd think so, yes |
18:08:13 | goffa | i make a playlist of my music dir |
18:08:15 | sup | i want the chicago font |
18:08:16 | sup | : ] |
18:08:18 | goffa | then randomize that |
18:08:43 | stripwax | bobrules - go to Artist, *hold down* select on "<All Tracks>", and choose Playlist->Insert Shuffled. That work for you? |
18:09:05 | bluebrother | JavaMan22: plugins must not include any other header files than plugin.h |
18:09:16 | bobrules | let me try |
18:09:22 | JavaMan22 | then how do i perform strcpy?? |
18:09:44 | stripwax | JavaMan22 - does rb->strcpy work? |
18:09:52 | JavaMan22 | tru |
18:09:59 | bobrules | then what do I do? |
18:10:01 | stripwax | (that's a guess) |
18:10:10 | stripwax | bobrules - play it? |
18:10:29 | bobrules | I know how to turn shuffle on |
18:10:38 | stripwax | bobrules - huh? |
18:10:41 | bobrules | I'm just saying ok when you click database |
18:10:46 | bobrules | right |
18:10:49 | stripwax | bobrules - did you try what I suggested? |
18:10:49 | JavaMan22 | wrong |
18:10:52 | JavaMan22 | lol |
18:10:55 | stripwax | :) |
18:10:58 | bobrules | you see album artist,blah blah |
18:11:11 | bobrules | Why not put a tab in there that says play all tracks |
18:11:21 | bobrules | and it will auto play any random song |
18:11:27 | bobrules | in all tracks |
18:11:39 | bobrules | it's in the Original firmware too |
18:11:42 | Llorean | bobrules: Because there's a half dozen ways to play a random song from all tracks already |
18:11:44 | stripwax | bobrules - does the suggestion above also work for you i.e. Insert Shuffled? if so, why do we need to make any changes? |
18:11:57 | JavaMan22 | stripwax: rb->strcpy works but not rb->strlen |
18:11:58 | bobrules | what does insert shuffled do? |
18:12:10 | stripwax | bobrules - Rockbox is *NOT* the same as the original firmware, because all of the available devices have *different* behaviour in the original firmware |
18:12:31 | bobrules | just a tab called play all |
18:12:33 | stripwax | bobrules - ah-hah. isn't "insert shuffled" described in the manual that you've read? |
18:12:43 | stripwax | bobrules - please stop telling us what we need to add to rockbox |
18:12:57 | bobrules | it's really useful though, |
18:13:18 | stripwax | bobrules - what you want to do can *already be accomplished*. do we really need to add anything? |
18:13:24 | Llorean | bobrules: If it's so very, very useful, why exactly do you think we feel it's not needed? |
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18:13:56 | stripwax | bobrules - so have you tried it yet? (Insert Shuffled from <All Tracks> in database). Did it work? If so, great. thanks. |
18:14:01 | JavaMan22 | nvm stripwax i have more than one strlen thats why |
18:14:35 | bobrules | I have shuffled on |
18:14:44 | bobrules | why would I need to insert shuffled? |
18:15:08 | Llorean | bobrules: Your complaint was "you have to select the first song" |
18:15:10 | Llorean | This way you don't |
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18:15:33 | bobrules | it didn't work |
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18:15:37 | bobrules | when I go in to artist |
18:15:38 | JavaMan22 | YES IT COMPILED |
18:15:41 | JavaMan22 | WOOOOOOOO |
18:15:58 | bobrules | then all tracks, I still have to choose a song first |
18:16:44 | stripwax | bobrules - not if you *hold down* select, like we said |
18:17:07 | bobrules | wait nvm, now when I go into all tracks, when I choose a song, it will play a random song |
18:17:22 | stripwax | does "wait nvm" mean "your advice worked, thanks" ? |
18:17:37 | bobrules | no but I still have to chosoe a song though |
18:17:39 | JavaMan22 | make install doesnt work anymore? |
18:17:59 | Llorean | bobrules: So you're complaining about a half second extra, maybe less? |
18:18:07 | bluebrother | why shouldn't it work anymore? It only worked for the sim anyway |
18:18:19 | stripwax | bobrules - inside, I am screaming. did you try *holding down* the select button when <All Tracks> is highlighted, rather than just clicking on <All Tracks> ? |
18:18:38 | PaulJam | bobrules: if you use the context menu of the <all tracks> entry you do NOT have to chosse a song. |
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18:18:53 | bobrules | yeah i hold it |
18:18:57 | bobrules | ¨ªt game me two options |
18:19:12 | bobrules | insert palylist and insert palylist shuffled |
18:19:16 | bobrules | I chose the second one |
18:19:26 | stripwax | ok, none of the options let you choose a song specifically, so that's why I don't understand why you still have to "choose a song" ? |
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18:20:05 | bobrules | ok can you give me a step by step walkthrough? |
18:20:13 | bobrules | I go into data base now what do I press? |
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18:20:38 | bobrules | now when I click data base it shows me all my songs |
18:20:42 | bobrules | but I still have to choose one |
18:21:03 | stripwax | bobrules - what steps did *you* do just now? |
18:21:09 | stripwax | you went into database, and then what? |
18:21:14 | amiconn | Hmm. Looks like that when the conversion to table settings is done, another settings type might become removable |
18:21:25 | bobrules | I went into database, then I click artist |
18:21:30 | stripwax | bobrules - then what |
18:21:31 | bobrules | then all tracks |
18:21:40 | bobrules | now I have to choose a song |
18:21:41 | stripwax | did you *hold down* select on "all tracks" or just click it |
18:21:53 | stripwax | it sounds like you just clicked it, which is what we have kept telling you not to do |
18:21:57 | bobrules | I hold it yes |
18:22:01 | bobrules | it brought me to context menu |
18:22:07 | bobrules | i choose insert shuffled |
18:22:11 | stripwax | bobrules - right. |
18:22:19 | stripwax | so where/how do you have to choose a song? |
18:22:24 | stripwax | that menu doesn't give you a choice of song |
18:22:27 | bobrules | ok now what do I do? |
18:22:31 | stripwax | bobrules - press play? |
18:22:42 | bobrules | where? |
18:22:50 | stripwax | the play button |
18:23:21 | bobrules | I restarted my palyer |
18:23:25 | stripwax | why? |
18:23:27 | bobrules | giveme exactly what I do |
18:23:36 | bobrules | sans btw |
18:23:42 | bobrules | sansa e200 |
18:24:00 | bobrules | it shows me the rockbox menu |
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18:24:23 | stripwax | bobrules - you make a playlist, and then you play it. instructions on how to do that are in the manual |
18:24:37 | stripwax | bobrules - I'm afraid I don't think we can be any clearer than that |
18:25:09 | bobrules | you guys are not getting it |
18:25:43 | bobrules | when I start the player, I just want to hit a button that plays all my tracks, without me choosing what song to paly first |
18:26:03 | stripwax | bobrules - there is no button that does that, sorry. you can make a shuffled playlist, and play that, if you like. |
18:26:05 | Llorean | bobrules: Then create a playlist of all your tracks, put it in the root folder, and when you boot up, simply click on it. |
18:26:17 | moos | or resume it |
18:26:36 | bobrules | can I do that on the player? |
18:26:39 | Llorean | bobrules: Seriously, a "Play a random song, then continue playing shuffled" button is a very special-case button, over all, and there's a good half dozen other ways to accomplish the same thing as we've explained to you. |
18:28:55 | bobrules | I don't see any palylist in the database mnu |
18:29:09 | Llorean | bobrules: Read the manual. |
18:29:22 | Llorean | bobrules: You've claimed to have done it, yet show absolutely no familiarity at all with the most basic Rockbox functionality. |
18:29:43 | stripwax | bobrules - right, you've already *used* the playlist from the database menu, so I don't understand you |
18:29:47 | bobrules | OH I think i got it |
18:30:05 | bobrules | this is what I did |
18:30:14 | bobrules | GO into the FILES menu |
18:30:23 | bobrules | click root.m3u8 |
18:30:28 | bobrules | it will auto play a song |
18:30:43 | stripwax | bobrules - root.m3u8 is a playlist that you have created, yourself, already |
18:31:16 | bobrules | yeah I saved all my songs in a play list |
18:31:19 | stripwax | bobrules - only you know if that playlist has all of your music in it |
18:31:39 | bobrules | but I can only choose it in the file mnu |
18:31:52 | stripwax | bobrules - so yes, if you load a playlist, it will play that playlist |
18:32:08 | bobrules | can i load the playlist in the database menu? |
18:32:19 | bluebrother | no |
18:32:42 | PaulJam | bobrules: no, the database lists only audio files, and playlists are no audio files. |
18:32:49 | stripwax | bobrules - you can create a new playlist from the database menu. there would be no point in loading a presaved playlist from the database menu |
18:33:28 | bluebrother | and why can't you just create a playlist containing all tracks from the database? |
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18:34:51 | bobrules | so from now on I will just go into file and choose that playlist |
18:35:13 | stripwax | bobrules - if you do that, you will need to remember to update your playlist whenever you add/remove music from your sansa |
18:36:48 | bobrules | but a basic play all button should really be implemented in the database menu |
18:36:51 | bluebrother | bobrules: go to the database view. Hover the "Artist" item. Enter the context menu, select Playlist / Insert. |
18:36:56 | bluebrother | and you're done. |
18:37:10 | stripwax | bobrules - for the n'th time, no it shouldn't |
18:37:11 | * | bluebrother doesn't think such a "button" should get implemented |
18:38:09 | bobrules | bluebrother, I hover the artist item, why not the all track item? |
18:39:23 | Llorean | bobrules: Why add a new button that doesn't even let you do anything new? |
18:39:25 | bluebrother | because you only see that item if you _changed_ to the Artist view. |
18:39:56 | bluebrother | but you can invoke the context menu from that item too |
18:41:29 | bobrules | Ok I got the basic hang of creating playlists and dynamic playlists |
18:41:47 | PaulJam | hey, if i click on the tasklist link in flyspray i get an error page, does this work for anyone else? |
18:41:49 | Llorean | It's not like you can't add your own "All Tracks" entry to tagnavi anyway, but it would work just the same. |
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18:42:50 | bobrules | llorean why wouldn't it do anything? |
18:43:12 | Llorean | bobrules: It wouldn't do anything *new* |
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18:43:26 | bobrules | now I'll make that playlist a shortcut |
18:43:27 | Alexxx | I have problem with my e200.... when i choose theme, in the music player the theme is not enabled...what can i do? |
18:44:15 | Soap_ | which theme, Alexxx, and where did you get it? |
18:44:17 | PaulJam | Alexxx: which theme? is it supposed to work with an official build? |
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18:45:01 | Alexxx | yes it supported ...the theme is Bold Aqua |
18:45:08 | Soap_ | Alexxx: it is a feature of Rockbox that upon trying to load a broken WPS Rockbox will default to the built-in WPS. |
18:45:14 | bobrules | hey can I rename the root.m3u8? |
18:45:36 | Alexxx | so what can i do? |
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18:46:02 | stripwax | bobrules - it is just a file, and you can rename files. From now on I shall not respond to any question that can be answered clearly from the manual |
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18:46:18 | bobrules | ok |
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18:46:25 | stripwax | Alexxx - I'm afraid you will need to use a theme that is definitely supported by the official build |
18:46:33 | Soap_ | that one is |
18:46:47 | preglow | amiconn: what's with the video/mini/4g deltas? |
18:46:49 | Soap_ | it does not have trailing |'s after the coordinates when the images are loaded. |
18:46:58 | amiconn | preglow: I dunno... |
18:47:05 | Soap_ | This was never correct, but ignored by the WPS parser (to the best of my understanding.) |
18:47:12 | preglow | amiconn: very varying deltas, if you ask me :) |
18:47:13 | amiconn | I have to fix a couple of 64 bit warnings, it seems |
18:47:25 | preglow | amiconn: probably that good old "delta was held back one round" bug |
18:47:34 | preglow | hmm, doesn't look like it |
18:47:47 | Soap_ | Alexxx: open the .wps file for your theme in the .rockbox/wps directory and fix all the "%xl|b|bat2.bmp|8|191" type lines to "%xl|b|bat2.bmp|8|191|" |
18:47:58 | amiconn | That problem is gone... but I observed "gradual" delta delay the last days as well |
18:48:16 | amiconn | I guess this has to do with system time differences |
18:48:43 | Soap_ | Alexxx: I'm not sure (perhaps a better WPS person than me will speak up) but I think you also need to close in lines such as "%s%ac%?ia<%ia|Artist Unknown>" to "%s%ac%?ia<%ia|Artist Unknown>|" |
18:49:12 | Llorean | Soap_: I'm _pretty_ sure that's wrong. |
18:49:32 | Alexxx | it's first time touble... |
18:49:44 | Alexxx | coz i "foramtted" my device |
18:50:01 | Alexxx | and reinstall |
18:50:01 | bobrules | can I place a playlist on the rockbox main menu? |
18:50:12 | Soap_ | Llorean: which suggested correction? The first and/or the second? |
18:50:14 | Alexxx | and i never saw this problem |
18:50:24 | n1s | bobrules: not without programming a bit |
18:50:24 | stripwax | Soap_ : - hmm, would it be possible to add checkwps to the build servers, to run over the rockbox themes and report errors? |
18:50:25 | Llorean | Soap_: Second is wrong, First is right if I understand correctly |
18:50:34 | Alexxx | how i can do recover mode? |
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18:50:57 | Soap_ | Alexxx: the WPS parser just got stricter again, that is why you didn't see the problem before. The WPS has been broken since the day it was made - Rockbox just now does a better job of "enforcing WPS rules" |
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18:52:59 | Alexxx | also some buttons reacting wierd when i push them... |
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18:54:33 | Alexxx | omg i just noticed |
18:55:03 | Alexxx | my version of rockbox is r15802 |
18:55:42 | Soap_ | Alexxx: the keymap for the Sansa has changed since you last updated. |
18:55:47 | bobrules | thank you to everyone who helped me |
18:56:11 | bobrules | cough * maybe look into the playall button |
18:56:33 | Alexxx | ohhh thanks |
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18:58:19 | bobrules | if I have time, maybe I'll read the menu |
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18:59:25 | * | stripwax coughs |
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18:59:30 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
18:59:34 | bobrules | hi |
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19:00:08 | preglow | amiconn: backlight fade times next? :> |
19:00:09 | mrkiko | Is someone having an H340 enough patient to test a rockbox snapshot with my config.cfg file? |
19:01:42 | preglow | amiconn: i think perhaps having the backlight timeout menu immediately switch to the new value when selected is a bit much, especially considering there is an "off" item |
19:01:55 | preglow | amiconn: people might be confused when their display suddenly switches off when browsing the list |
19:02:04 | amiconn | It always worked like this... |
19:02:12 | preglow | maybe, perhaps it can be changed? |
19:02:25 | preglow | i don't really care if it's always been like it, i don't think it makes sense for this menu |
19:03:00 | preglow | i don't want my backlight to switch to off just because i'm currently hovering over the "off" item, it doesn't make sense |
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19:05:16 | linuxstb | Nico_P: You pinged? |
19:05:25 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I did |
19:05:28 | bobrules | hey can rockbox make receave am radio waves? |
19:06:14 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I saw you discussion with aliask... interesting but it's a shame you got no results. I finally managed to get a proper recursive dir listing and the file I sent was nowhere to be found |
19:06:52 | PaulJam | bobrules: i don't think there is a target with the necessary hardware to recieve AM. |
19:06:57 | Nico_P | so I was thinking... would it be possible to compile zagor's usb stack into the bootloader? |
19:07:45 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I haven't given up with dual-boot - I think that's the most important thing to do, so we can reliably run our code without having to go through the recovery process. |
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19:08:53 | stripwax | bobrules - my iRiver H120 has a built in radio, which rockbox can control, if that answers your question. if your device does not have built-in radio hardware, rockbox can't pick up any radio signals. |
19:09:03 | amiconn | PaulJam: The archos FM recorder and old Ondio FM *might* be able to receive AM |
19:09:20 | amiconn | The old samsung tuner chip is actually an AM/FM tuner |
19:09:22 | stripwax | PaulJam/amiconn - I thought H120 could do AM but could be mistaken? |
19:09:23 | bobrules | I can only receive fm |
19:09:25 | bobrules | but not am |
19:09:30 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I agree |
19:09:47 | Nico_P | linuxstb: but if we can't find files we sent, the usb could come in handy |
19:10:12 | preglow | amiconn: how? |
19:10:17 | stripwax | bobrules - can you receive am using the original sansa firmware? |
19:10:21 | webguest30 | where i can find the old version of sansa? |
19:10:24 | Buschel | preglow: you searched for me? |
19:10:28 | webguest30 | r15801 |
19:10:29 | amiconn | How what? |
19:10:33 | bobrules | no |
19:10:43 | stripwax | bobrules - then it is unlikely rockbox will be able to |
19:10:56 | preglow | Buschel: indeed i did, just looking at the "lcd speed up" patch in the tracker, do you want that closed, or? |
19:11:03 | preglow | amiconn: how can they receive am? |
19:11:20 | amiconn | The tuner is an am/fm tuner |
19:11:38 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Sure, but they _must_ be somewhere... |
19:11:45 | preglow | amiconn: then why the "might"? sounds obvious it can if the tuner supports it |
19:11:54 | Buschel | preglow: only if it is committed :o) I only dropped idea to further optimize it |
19:11:55 | amiconn | It would need to be configured for am, but it would only work if there are no components for am reception missing |
19:12:02 | preglow | Buschel: oh, right |
19:12:03 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yeah, probably... I'll try looking again |
19:12:09 | amiconn | Nobody tried that |
19:12:16 | preglow | amiconn: any new thoughts on #8075, then? |
19:12:26 | amiconn | Buschel: I woul dlike to commit the yuv speedup part only |
19:12:30 | Nico_P | linuxstb: do you know what kind of work is needed to use the usb stack, and if the current state allows dir listing? |
19:12:49 | * | stripwax was wrong about h120 am reception, whoops |
19:12:54 | Buschel | amiconn: that's ok. the other one doesn't speed up too much |
19:13:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
19:13:09 | bobrules | so it's a hard ware issue eh |
19:13:12 | stripwax | yes |
19:13:44 | Buschel | amiconn: I get much more speed up via overclocking ;) |
19:13:45 | bobrules | someone Fix 64 bit warnings. |
19:13:59 | bobrules | it's neat how rockbox cahnges every day |
19:14:08 | stripwax | every minute of every day |
19:14:53 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Firstly we need a working USB stack ;) After that, I don't know - didn't aliask try to read some USB registers but they gave unexpected values (or zero) ? |
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19:14:58 | webguest30 | WHERE I CAN FIND e200 r15801 ... the link not working |
19:15:05 | * | amiconn is kinda puzzled about the ipod deltas |
19:15:09 | stripwax | webguest30 - specifically why do you need that version? |
19:15:22 | linuxstb | Nico_P: BTW, this recovery process makes me very nervous - I don't have any confidence in it... |
19:15:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: really? why? |
19:16:04 | webguest30 | coz this version supports WPS |
19:16:07 | webguest30 | most of them |
19:16:16 | Nico_P | and I thought the USB stack was already doing UMS but slowly |
19:16:29 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I guess because it kept failing the first time I tried it.... |
19:16:38 | webguest30 | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/rockbox-sansae200-20071125.zip −−- it's not working |
19:17:02 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what failed? is it was you said in the logs? |
19:17:48 | stripwax | webguest30 - I don't understand what you mean by 'supports WPS'. Can you try installing the latest current build and see if it works for you? |
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19:18:04 | * | stripwax shrugs again |
19:18:33 | n1s | me wonders what in r15802 would brak wps support... |
19:18:38 | n1s | breake* |
19:18:40 | Llorean | stripwax: I think he's referring to how the WPS parser got stricter, and now a lot of WPSes that were technically broken but still displayed don't load. |
19:18:47 | Llorean | Though I'm not sure which revision that came in |
19:19:03 | stripwax | Llorean - right, I don't see the connection between 15801 and the link he posted |
19:19:04 | amiconn | preglow: Hover over the deltas - the actual binsize deltas are very similar, but for dualcore targets, the ram delta is either 0 or 2048, while for the other targets, ram delta ~ bin delta |
19:19:08 | amiconn | Weird, eh? |
19:20:13 | bobrules | is the sansa powerful enough to handle snes? |
19:20:30 | Llorean | bobrules: No |
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19:22:51 | bobrules | most changes are bug fixes right? |
19:23:28 | stripwax | bobrules - no |
19:24:06 | n1s | hmm, somethink in FS is broken, when I try to sort tasks when viewing all tasks i get a 10 line error message... |
19:24:27 | n1s | Bagder, Zagor: ping? |
19:24:53 | bobrules | you know custom builders right, why won't they develop for the current build? |
19:25:09 | n1s | bobrules: you'd have to ask them |
19:25:21 | bobrules | I see |
19:25:45 | stripwax | bobrules - all developers are encouraged to develop for the current build and patches stand a chance of being accepted in one form or another. |
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19:26:50 | Llorean | bobrules: Many custom builds aren't actually handled by developers, but rather by people who just merge a lot of work-in-progress patches that aren't "done" yet. |
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19:27:47 | bobrules | I'll stick with current build, custom build sounds confusing |
19:29:10 | bobrules | btw the SVN is all monitored right? |
19:29:16 | bobrules | so no one can put harmful codes on there |
19:30:56 | stripwax | bobrules - correct, only a select group of individuals have update access to SVN |
19:30:56 | Llorean | Only people with permission can modify SVN |
19:31:44 | * | stripwax has got pacbox cop + audio + game menu working w/o crashing now - just need to implement an Audio menu then I'll post a patch |
19:35:18 | stripwax | This works on ipod 5g, can I assume it would work on nano also? anything else? |
19:35:57 | bobrules | I have a question, the patches auto matically gets patched into the current build right? |
19:36:44 | Llorean | bobrules: I'm not sure what you're asking, but the answer is probably "no" |
19:37:06 | PaulJam | stripwax: does the game still run with the same speed when runnung on the cop and not using iram? |
19:39:20 | bobrules | oh so if people made patches, I would have to manually patch my rock box with it |
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19:39:29 | Llorean | yes |
19:39:44 | Llorean | That's what custom builds are, Rockbox Current(ish) + Patches |
19:39:52 | Llorean | Once a feature is included in Rockbox, a patch isn't needed any more |
19:40:34 | bobrules | when people design a good patch, rockbox includes it in the current build? |
19:41:43 | Llorean | It can be, yes |
19:42:35 | bobrules | any plan for wmv support? |
19:42:51 | Llorean | No real reason to |
19:43:03 | Llorean | You have to convert your movies to fit the screen size anyway |
19:43:32 | stripwax | PaulJam - it was limited at 20fps before, and still runs at 20fps now |
19:43:44 | donutman25 | hey guys when i try to sort flyspray in descending order according to date i get an error |
19:43:49 | bobrules | ok |
19:44:54 | stripwax | PaulJam - nano I haven't tried however (as I don't have one) - and the nano was limited at 30fps before. In my patch I'll just enabled this for video ipods and someone with a nano can confirm it doesn't run slower? |
19:46:03 | donutman25 | also happens when i try to sort by name order |
19:46:26 | donutman25 | is this error server side or pc side? |
19:46:37 | n1s | donutman25: I get the same, our webmasters/admins are awol though |
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19:47:08 | donutman25 | n1s: true |
19:48:07 | bobrules | true or false, daily builds are more current than current build |
19:48:37 | n1s | currtent is always current and daily are built on a fixed time every day |
19:48:56 | bobrules | I see |
19:49:10 | n1s | so current is either newer or the same as dily |
19:49:15 | n1s | daily* |
19:50:09 | bobrules | is it possible to make a music quiz game? |
19:50:12 | bobrules | like on the ipod |
19:50:31 | n1s | bobrules: yes, you just need to learn to program |
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19:51:04 | webguest30 | Where i can find the old version of Rock for e200 device |
19:51:07 | amiconn | That idea was already brought up several times, but nobody did it |
19:51:23 | bobrules | will it lag on rockbox? |
19:51:28 | amiconn | I think that such a quiz might not be too difficult to implement using the database |
19:51:40 | Llorean | amiconn: I was gonna say, it'd almost have to depend on the presence of the db |
19:51:49 | Llorean | webguest30: If it's older than one month, you must compile it yourself |
19:52:02 | webguest30 | no |
19:52:06 | amiconn | Well, it could call the database init (after confirmation) when the database isn't ready |
19:52:07 | webguest30 | not that older |
19:52:17 | Llorean | webguest30: Then simply use the links on the archived builds page |
19:52:24 | Llorean | amiconn: True. |
19:52:39 | webguest30 | i know but r15801 link doesn't seem to work |
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19:53:21 | webguest30 | do u know which rev supports most of WPS |
19:53:23 | amiconn | Like "The music quiz requires the database, but the database isn't ready. Init the database now (may take several minutes)?" |
19:54:04 | Llorean | amiconn: And of course, ours could offer modes for "Which artist is this?" and "Which album is this?" rather than just "Get the track name right" |
19:54:10 | bobrules | but everyone should have a database right? |
19:54:20 | preglow | bobrules: hell no |
19:54:22 | amiconn | bobrules: No, why? |
19:54:23 | Llorean | webguest30: Any WPS without errors should work with the current one. |
19:54:23 | webguest30 | ? |
19:54:36 | webguest30 | with r15804? |
19:54:40 | Llorean | bobrules: Most of us have properly organized files and feel no need for a database |
19:54:52 | Llorean | webguest30: Any WPS without errors should work with the current version. |
19:54:52 | webguest30 | i still have problems with DockPodAA |
19:54:56 | stripwax | webguest30 - if the WPS doesn't work, it is the WPS at fault, not rockbox, and the WPS should be fixed |
19:54:58 | Llorean | webguest30: The key word is "without errors" |
19:55:05 | Llorean | words, rather |
19:55:08 | webguest30 | ok |
19:55:09 | webguest30 | thanks |
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19:55:14 | stripwax | webguest30 - are you able to investigate yourse .... |
19:55:20 | bobrules | my music is organized into artist-> album-> track, is this called a database? |
19:55:23 | stripwax | oh well |
19:55:44 | stripwax | bobrules - I don't use the database, I just use "Files" to access my music usually |
19:56:25 | bobrules | oh I see |
19:56:31 | bobrules | I sync with Windows media player |
19:57:18 | bobrules | but anyways music quiz would be cool |
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20:02:09 | bobrules | anyone here developed the snake game on rockbox? |
20:05:13 | bobrules | do develoeprs use their real name on irc? |
20:05:36 | stripwax | bobrules - not usually. but all code in rockbox is ultimately attributed to the developer's Real Name |
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20:11:29 | JavaMan22 | i downloaded the prebuilt ui sim 2 days ago and i placed periodic.rock in apps and it crashes |
20:11:43 | JavaMan22 | anyone know why? |
20:12:10 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Because the simulator can't run code made for a player. |
20:12:15 | Llorean | Why didn't you just compile it as a simulator? |
20:12:50 | JavaMan22 | if i compile for simulator will i still be able to make zip and place in my ipod |
20:13:06 | Llorean | No. |
20:13:09 | JavaMan22 | lol |
20:13:15 | Llorean | You'll have to compile twice, once for the computer and once for the iPod. |
20:13:37 | PaulJam | just use 2 different build directorys, one for the targe and one for the uisim |
20:13:46 | JavaMan22 | ok |
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20:20:10 | JavaMan22 | who is working on mpeg player now? |
20:20:47 | donutman25 | JavaMan22: it might be me. what do you want with it? |
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20:20:57 | JavaMan22 | nothing just wanted to know :/ |
20:21:14 | JavaMan22 | what are you working on with it? |
20:23:02 | donutman25 | nothing right now. I had a really dirty patch that covered 2 months of work me and some friends did on it but i suffered a head crash |
20:23:07 | donutman25 | and lost everything |
20:23:20 | JavaMan22 | .... |
20:24:38 | JavaMan22 | head crash meaning you lost the files??? |
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20:25:58 | donutman25 | yep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_crash |
20:27:23 | JavaMan22 | if that happened to me i dont know if i would ever code again |
20:27:25 | JavaMan22 | 2 months... |
20:27:42 | JavaMan22 | thats why i keep backup on my ipod and flashdisk |
20:27:54 | johnf1911 | question about the Auto-Change Directory random feature; where will it randomly select the directory? from anywhere on the disk, or from the parent folder of the last chosen album, or ??? |
20:27:59 | donutman25 | it was really messy and no where near completion |
20:28:30 | donutman25 | since then the main friend that was workin on it pass away |
20:28:50 | Slasheri | donutman25: my workstation suffered from a spindle motor crash a few months ago, fortunately i had backups |
20:29:20 | JavaMan22 | ..... |
20:29:54 | donutman25 | Slasheri: at the time all of us were under 17 years of age and thought that our pc's were indestructible |
20:30:11 | donutman25 | backups never crossed our mind |
20:30:21 | * | johnf1911 adds reconfiguring backuppc to the todo list |
20:30:31 | johnf1911 | RAID5/1 isn't a backup either really :) |
20:30:34 | JavaMan22 | so you are 17 now? |
20:30:43 | JavaMan22 | :) |
20:30:44 | donutman25 | yep |
20:30:54 | JavaMan22 | have you started applying to college |
20:31:10 | donutman25 | yep a few but more in the future |
20:31:11 | * | stripwax suddenly feels very old |
20:31:23 | JavaMan22 | wat schools |
20:31:44 | stripwax | guys, would you mind taking this chat to rockbox-community? |
20:31:54 | JavaMan22 | :( |
20:32:02 | donutman25 | stripwax: ok |
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20:33:14 | PaulJam | johnf1911: you can select which folders are included in the random folder advance function in the random_folder_advance_config plugin that you have to run before |
20:33:36 | Slasheri | donutman25: indeed, but it's good to keep in mind that all hard disks will eventually fail |
20:34:08 | donutman25 | a little older a little wiser |
20:34:10 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: oh, interesting, is that plugin included in the default distribution? |
20:34:21 | Slasheri | :) |
20:34:37 | PaulJam | johnf1911: yes, but not yet documented |
20:34:56 | johnf1911 | yes, I noticed that the function isn't mentioned in the manual either |
20:35:02 | johnf1911 | but I've been waiting for it for a long time :) |
20:35:44 | johnf1911 | a little treat I discovered when I finally took the redo my bootloader to run new versions plunge |
20:35:52 | johnf1911 | it had been a long time since I upgraded |
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20:36:58 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: ok, is there a way I can edit the generated folder list on disk? |
20:37:04 | johnf1911 | there is a lot of stuff I want to exclude |
20:37:30 | PaulJam | johnf1911: you can also control which dirs get included by the plugin with a file called "folder_advance_dir.txt" in the .rockbox dir. see for additional info here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7074 |
20:37:46 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: thanks again |
20:38:07 | stripwax | Pacbox emu-on-cop+audiomenu patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226 |
20:39:42 | preglow | stripwax: can pacbox run nicely on any other single core targets while audio is playing? |
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20:40:23 | Phxcityslick | Hello |
20:40:54 | Phxcityslick | anyone around? |
20:40:57 | linuxstb | preglow: I doubt it can run on Coldfire, apart from CPU usage, it definitely needs IRAM. It works on the Gigabeat though. |
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20:41:51 | Phxcityslick | Can anyone answer me a question |
20:41:58 | preglow | you need to ask it first |
20:42:27 | Phxcityslick | lol true |
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20:42:31 | JavaMan22 | ... |
20:42:35 | JavaMan22 | whats this.... |
20:42:41 | preglow | linuxstb: doesn't pacbox generate any sound of its own? |
20:42:47 | preglow | half the fun with pacman is the sound... |
20:42:49 | JavaMan22 | $ make install |
20:42:50 | JavaMan22 | installing a full setup in your archos dir |
20:42:50 | JavaMan22 | xargs: zip: No such file or directory |
20:42:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JavaMan22 |
20:42:50 | JavaMan22 | /bin/sh: unzip: command not found |
20:42:50 | JavaMan22 | make: *** [install] Error 127 |
20:42:57 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Please don't spam the channel |
20:43:01 | JavaMan22 | o i forgot |
20:43:01 | preglow | JavaMan22: have a guess, man |
20:43:03 | Phxcityslick | Does anyone know if the Creative labs sleek photo or anyo fot he creative labs product be rockbox'd? |
20:43:08 | Llorean | JavaMan22: The channel guidelines are very explicit about what to do with multiline pastes. |
20:43:15 | JavaMan22 | ok sry |
20:43:17 | preglow | Phxcityslick: no creative products are rockboxed |
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20:43:32 | Phxcityslick | and no plans i assume? |
20:43:50 | Llorean | JavaMan22: That's what you said *last* time I told you not to spam the channel |
20:43:50 | n1s | Phxcityslick: we don't plan ports |
20:43:52 | preglow | i don't think so, but there's so much porting going on right now, i can't keep track... |
20:43:54 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Quit being sorry, and just don't do it. |
20:43:56 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: how till it handle spaces in file names? |
20:44:00 | JavaMan22 | ok ok |
20:44:00 | johnf1911 | s/till/will/ |
20:44:07 | JavaMan22 | i didnt say sry last time |
20:44:11 | linuxstb | preglow: No, sound is implemented, although the source emulator (PIE) does have sound. |
20:44:48 | preglow | linuxstb: so you're saying, no, it has sound, but sound is implemented, even though PIE has sound? |
20:44:52 | preglow | that sentence confuses me... |
20:45:01 | Phxcityslick | Preglow Who would i contact or go to find out the website doesn't have any info that i saw |
20:45:02 | PaulJam | johnf1911: i have no idea what you mean. |
20:45:03 | linuxstb | preglow: Remove the first comma ;) |
20:45:09 | JavaMan22 | Llorean do you know why i got that error? |
20:45:17 | preglow | JavaMan22: you don't have "unzip" |
20:45:22 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: I have a directory called Johnf - Albums, do I need to quote it or similar? |
20:45:26 | JavaMan22 | errrr |
20:46:17 | johnf1911 | or will it transparently directory names with spaces |
20:46:20 | stripwax | preglow - sound is not implemented in the rockbox port of the PIE emulator. yet. |
20:46:38 | preglow | Phxcityslick: not too many people you can contact. if the front page doesn't say it's under development and there are no forum threads about it, you can be pretty sure no one is working on it |
20:47:04 | preglow | why don't we have sound, then? hard? |
20:47:06 | JavaMan22 | unzip is not in rockbox website? |
20:47:12 | Phxcityslick | bugger ok thanks i just want FLAC on this badboy |
20:47:21 | stripwax | preglow - no-one has done it yet? doesn't look too hard, to be honest |
20:48:42 | preglow | JavaMan22: linux? cygwin? |
20:48:51 | JavaMan22 | i know |
20:48:59 | JavaMan22 | i have cygwin on |
20:49:07 | JavaMan22 | and i connected to the rockbox website |
20:49:11 | JavaMan22 | its not in devel |
20:49:22 | JavaMan22 | or misc |
20:49:24 | PaulJam | johnf1911: on my player i have no problem with paths containing spaces in the folder_advance_dir.txt |
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20:49:29 | Lear | No, it's in the normal Cygwin repository. |
20:49:37 | JavaMan22 | o |
20:50:01 | PaulJam | johnf1911: no quotes are needed |
20:50:08 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: excellent, thank you very much |
20:50:30 | stripwax | preglow - it's just a simple wavetable, so just resampling+mixing involved |
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20:53:23 | JavaMan22 | Lear: what is the package called? for unzip |
20:53:49 | Lear | Could be part of the normal zip package... Don't remember really... |
20:54:25 | JavaMan22 | err |
20:54:47 | johnf1911 | JavaMan22: distro? |
20:55:00 | Lear | No, it is called unzip. |
20:55:24 | stripwax | unzip is in a package called "Unzip", under "Utils" |
20:55:26 | johnf1911 | oh, cygwin, excuse me |
20:55:34 | stripwax | sorry - under "Archive" |
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20:56:01 | JavaMan22 | THERE IT IS |
20:56:24 | stripwax | JavaMan22 - try using the "Full" view, which shows *all* packages |
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20:56:58 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: ok, if I use either dos or unix file format, if I go to edit the list, it seems to barf up a bunch of text, corrupting even viewing the list; is there a way I can test the feature? advancing through an album doesn't seem to do the trick |
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20:59:10 | Traveler8 | just installed rockbox on my nano and I'm impressed |
20:59:22 | JavaMan22 | good |
20:59:30 | JavaMan22 | because i am impressed too |
20:59:35 | Traveler8 | hehe |
20:59:37 | JavaMan22 | :) |
20:59:50 | JavaMan22 | you must travel a lot |
20:59:54 | Traveler8 | well I had been using ipodlinux legacy for a long time |
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21:00:08 | Traveler8 | hehe nah, just used the default for the java irc applet |
21:00:14 | JavaMan22 | tru |
21:00:17 | PaulJam | johnf1911: i'm not sure i understand. how do you try to edit the list? |
21:01:04 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: vi; then if I use the plugin and choose edit list, it explodes with wierd stuff (like the string wasn't null terminated, or similar) |
21:04:08 | PaulJam | johnf1911: could it be that you have modified the file "folder_advance_list.dat" on your pc? |
21:04:28 | johnf1911 | yes, that's what I did when I edited it using vi |
21:04:43 | johnf1911 | oh, shit |
21:04:46 | johnf1911 | txt versus dat |
21:04:47 | johnf1911 | I see |
21:05:19 | johnf1911 | just a moment, I think I did something stupid |
21:05:24 | Buschel | hmmm, something broken with the patch tracker? |
21:06:18 | n1s | Buschel: yes |
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21:07:23 | PaulJam | johnf1911: first create the "folder_advance_dir.txt" with your custom content, then run the plugin and select "generate folder list" this creates the .dat file. you can open the .dat file with a hex editor, to check the results, but don't edit it. |
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21:13:15 | johnf1911 | hmm, it still isn't working |
21:13:22 | johnf1911 | I've edited the file, it contains two lines |
21:13:26 | johnf1911 | Johnf - Albums |
21:13:29 | johnf1911 | -/Others |
21:13:43 | johnf1911 | when I generate the list, everything shows up, as //Others/[blah] |
21:13:53 | johnf1911 | then //JohnF - Albums/[blah] |
21:14:05 | johnf1911 | currently, the text file is in a "unix" file format |
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21:15:42 | n1s | hmm, something bad id up with the www.rockbox.orf buildserver too... |
21:15:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
21:15:44 | * | amiconn summons Bagder, LinusN or Zagor |
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21:18:47 | bertrik | hmm, always happens on weekends it seems |
21:18:59 | moos | soundays even :( |
21:19:05 | moos | *sundays |
21:19:49 | johnf1911 | PaulJam: wrong file name again, I've got it, it's working, awesome, thanks again!!!! |
21:22:01 | stripwax | As an excuse for the following question I will say that I no longer use C in my day job and haven't for some years, but .. |
21:22:41 | stripwax | how do I define a macro that equates to another macro? does the preprocessor run repeatedly until all macros are expanded, or do I need to expand it myself somehow |
21:23:15 | stripwax | e.g. #define XYZ 123 #if( some condition ) #define ABC XYZ #else #define ABC 9 |
21:23:45 | stripwax | If the preprocessor sees ABC in the code, will it expand it (recursively) into 123, or just get as far as XYZ ? |
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21:24:35 | stripwax | or will the preprocessor actually expand XYZ at the point where it finds #define ABC XYZ? |
21:24:45 | preglow | i think the preprocessor does several passes |
21:25:01 | preglow | but i might be confusing things |
21:25:36 | stripwax | preglow - I think you're right. And I've actually just found my compilation failure is not due to a preprocessor issue but down to a typo of mine |
21:26:27 | stripwax | i'll update my patch in a sec as in its current form nano builds fail |
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21:28:52 | preglow | seems a build server is having trouble |
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21:29:57 | * | stripwax wonders if splitting the pacbox emu into a z80 engine on one cpu and a video emulator on the other cpu would improve framerate |
21:30:20 | stripwax | currently I'd imagine the cop is running full tilt and the main cpu is mostly idle just decoding audio |
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21:33:45 | JavaMan22 | check it out : http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfk7kvb_0dmm55k |
21:33:54 | JavaMan22 | a pic of my periodic table port |
21:35:07 | JavaMan22 | :) :) |
21:35:13 | petur | lacks a bit in the area of readability ;) |
21:36:10 | JavaMan22 | ehehe |
21:36:28 | scorche | JavaMan22: i use http://www.geocities.com/palm_chemtable/ on my palm...you could take some ideas from it |
21:37:21 | JavaMan22 | :o |
21:38:41 | scorche | to force the entire table on one screen on some (most, all?) is really stretching it... |
21:39:15 | Soap_ | I also like how it allows you to view the table by either symbol or number. |
21:39:25 | scorche | i like the program quite a bit |
21:40:02 | scorche | i considered mailing the author about myself porting it to rockbox at one point |
21:40:26 | stripwax | JavaMan22 - would be neat if the currently-highlighted element shows up larger (if you've seen the iphone keyboard you'll know what I mean) |
21:40:37 | JavaMan22 | o i know what you mean |
21:40:54 | stripwax | e.g. as you scroll around the table, that element enlarges, with more details in a larger cell on top of the table. |
21:41:05 | Soap_ | that would be trick |
21:41:08 | stripwax | and with a hint of translucency ;-) |
21:41:18 | stripwax | Soap - trick? |
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21:44:02 | Soap_ | tasty |
21:44:10 | Soap_ | neat |
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21:48:38 | n1s | preglow: it's the www.rockbox.org server and the logs contain a "No space left on device" error for most (all?) builds also incidentally flyspray is acting screwy and "the swedes" as people call them are all gone... |
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21:53:22 | scorche | n1s: you are a swede too...fix it! ;) |
21:54:05 | n1s | scorche: nah, too tired to use my special powers ;) |
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21:56:45 | petur | hmmm... is it known that the gradient selector bar doesn't show in the recording screen? |
21:57:15 | n1s | petur: I think so, all the drawing in that screen is custom... |
21:57:26 | preglow | n1s: they usually are when shit hits the fan :> |
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21:58:48 | petur | n1s: it dosn't do cutom selector bar drawing (that I know of), and I can remember that this worked until some time ago |
21:59:02 | petur | +e |
21:59:10 | preglow | well |
21:59:16 | preglow | /var is almost full |
21:59:18 | n1s | petur: aha, then I'll just shut up :) |
21:59:19 | preglow | but nothing _is_ full |
21:59:44 | preglow | anyone know what server is the master build server? |
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22:02:20 | preglow | yeah, that's probably it |
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22:04:12 | corey | i'm having trouble compiling rockbox, can anyone help? |
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22:04:52 | stripwax_ | right, that's pacbox done for now. i'm going to see if I can dust off my sliding_puzzle patch to work with the new albumart-on-mob |
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22:08:26 | corey | ../tools/configure: 1635: arm-elf-gcc: not found../tools/configure: 1639: arm-elf-ld: not foundWARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path!WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do theWARNING: checks we want now.Using arm-elf-ld Created Makefile |
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22:08:44 | corey | this is the error i get can anyone help me add arm-elf-gcc to my path? |
22:10:48 | n1s | corey: did you build a arm-elf-gcc ? |
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22:13:01 | corey | i ran rockboxdev.sh as was under the impression that is was done for me |
22:13:18 | corey | sorry 'and was' |
22:13:55 | n1s | corey: yes it is, you just have to add it to your path then, try PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf-gcc |
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22:15:26 | corey | arm-elf-dcc doesn't exist, arm-elf? |
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22:17:18 | n1s | corey: what does 'which arm-elf-gcc' tell you? |
22:17:43 | corey | it tells me nothing |
22:17:54 | n1s | PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf |
22:17:59 | stripwax_ | corey - what platform are you building on? |
22:18:01 | n1s | is correct, sorry |
22:18:33 | corey | ubuntu |
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22:19:28 | n1s | or rather, PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-el/bin, /me really should go to bed.. |
22:19:41 | n1s | *elf, gah! |
22:20:25 | corey | i think the /bin might have done the trick |
22:20:34 | corey | which arm-elf-gcc worked |
22:20:59 | corey | thanks for the help |
22:21:28 | n1s | corey: good, if you want thet to happen everytime you log on add that line to your .bashrc file or the corresponding for whichever shell you use |
22:21:29 | corey | do I need to do this every time I compile or just this time? |
22:21:43 | corey | ha, thanks |
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22:34:10 | preglow | n1s: where do you see the no space left stuff? |
22:34:21 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - is there an albumart api to return the largest (existing) bitmap file given a size in pixels? e.g. if I want the sliding_puzzle plugin to load a higher-resolution bitmap than the one used by the wps, then I'd want to load the biggest available bmp smaller than min(LCD_HEIGHT,LCD_WIDTH), for example |
22:34:54 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - (the sliding puzzle patch adds bmpresize to the plugin api anyway) |
22:35:09 | n1s | preglow: in the build logs for the failed builds, for some reasons they are not colored red though... |
22:35:16 | preglow | right |
22:35:29 | preglow | but yeah, /var is almost full, and that's where the build server is run from |
22:35:32 | preglow | so i guess that's the problem |
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22:36:01 | Nico_P | stripwax_: no, currently the func that looks for a bitmap looks for one of the size the WPS uses. It looks for an exact match |
22:36:17 | Shiron382 | Hi.... |
22:36:18 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - ok, ta. |
22:37:08 | stripwax_ | I'll see if I can add a flag to fuzzy the match |
22:39:09 | Nico_P | stripwax_: I think it'll make the searching much more complex... also isn't the plugin using the btmaps that are already in memory? |
22:40:15 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - no because the sliding_puzzle plugin patch reimplements the entire albumart anyway. |
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22:40:32 | Nico_P | why? |
22:40:53 | Owner | hia, newbie to rockbox, need help with getting it installed on ipod 5g 60gb |
22:40:53 | Shiron382 | Why is it that when I try to play my .mpeg movies with the mpeg player that i get an error saying |
22:40:59 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - because otherwise sliding_puzzle would depend on the unofficial albumart patch? |
22:41:05 | Owner | the config is not pivking up ipod |
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22:41:29 | Nico_P | stripwax_: I don't understand... do you know AA is in SVN? |
22:41:47 | stripwax | Nico_P - yes, do you know I am updating http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218 to work with the AA in svn? :-) |
22:42:01 | Owner | anyone? |
22:42:31 | Owner | come on guys am flying on friday and need tunes! |
22:42:51 | Nico_P | well yes, but your saying "the sliding_puzzle plugin patch reimplements the entire albumart anyway" confused me... is that in the current state on the tracker, or in the current state in your tree? |
22:42:59 | stripwax | Currently, the patch will look for cover.bmp, and not care about its resolution, which lets you have a high-res cover.bmp. But with the new AA in svn, I can't do that as cover.bmp will always be 100x100 (or whatever the WPS requires) |
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22:43:12 | stripwax | Nico_P - the current state on the tracker naturally |
22:43:49 | stripwax | I want to make it use the AA already in SVN of course, but in such a way that I can make use of the highest-res bitmap available. Scaling up 100x100 bitmaps to full screen will always look bad. |
22:43:55 | Shiron382 | missing packet start code *next line* Prefix:5246 at 0 |
22:44:07 | stripwax | Owner - you snooze, you loose .. |
22:44:26 | stripwax | darn, 'lose'. |
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22:45:35 | Nico_P | stripwax: I see. svn defaults to cover.bmp is there is nothing available of precisely the right size... but checking the resolution basically requires loading the bitmaps, doesn't it? |
22:46:29 | stripwax | Nico_P - I don't need to check the resolution, I just want to load it and resize as necessary (as I mentioned, the patch adds bmpresize to the plugin api) |
22:47:00 | stripwax | Nico_P - in svn, if cover.bmp dimensions don't match the WPS albumart size, what happens? |
22:47:11 | Nico_P | it's cropped |
22:47:40 | stripwax | I see. |
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22:49:17 | Nico_P | maybe you could make search_files public instead of static and add it to the plugin API... just give it an empty size_string and you have cover.bmp |
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22:50:03 | amiconn | n1s: Using the FOR_NB_SCREENS() macro is even better (if possible) |
22:50:13 | stripwax_ | seems a reasonable starting place anyway. I'll see if I can think of a way to locate high-res art later on |
22:51:05 | n1s | amiconn: that would require much more changes I believe but I'll probably look into it later (not today) |
22:52:04 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - if the track switches while I'm playing sliding_puzzle, will the bmp data that I got from the prior call to bufgetdata get invalidated / free'd / overwritten with junk? |
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22:52:20 | amiconn | The recording screen needs a fundamental rework anyway |
22:52:46 | Nico_P | stripwax_: it probably will still be there but you should never keep the pointer, but always use bugetdata instead |
22:52:57 | n1s | amiconn: yes, I agree, just found this little thing (which gives a nice green delta for archos) while mucking about. |
22:53:03 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - cheers |
22:53:07 | Llorean | Being a plugin, why doesn't the plugin just copy the BMP to its own buffer? |
22:53:12 | Llorean | Especially since it's resizing it? |
22:53:43 | stripwax_ | Llorean - it could |
22:53:56 | Nico_P | stripwax_: if it's resizing, it should |
22:54:22 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - currently, that's what it does. |
22:54:26 | Nico_P | ok |
22:54:27 | pixelma | petur: around? |
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22:54:35 | petur | yup |
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22:56:18 | amiconn | Bagderrrrrr!! |
22:57:10 | amiconn | n1s: w0w! |
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22:58:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do you have an idea where the 2KB steps in ram size delta come from? Almost looks like a dualcore effect... |
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23:03:16 | Tavnos | Hi there :) |
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23:11:47 | petur | Nico_P: can you explain to me recording.c line 868? |
23:12:58 | Nico_P | petur: it defines the gradient style on one line |
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23:13:27 | petur | any ideas why it no longer works? |
23:13:58 | Nico_P | probably because of the patch I comitted a few days ago |
23:14:09 | Nico_P | what's displayed? |
23:14:39 | petur | nothing. just the text in the color of the gradient bar text |
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23:16:04 | petur | ah... commit from 19/11 |
23:17:18 | petur | I see the changes, it needs the height and position now too? In the style? |
23:17:59 | Nico_P | I think so, yes |
23:18:28 | petur | a bit clumsy but I'll manage to adapt |
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23:29:48 | petur | Nico_P: is MAXLN_PACK the numer of lines or the last line? |
23:30:04 | petur | I guess the first |
23:30:22 | Nico_P | petur: yeah I think it's the first |
23:30:48 | petur | I wasn't 100% sure because of the illogical name |
23:31:04 | Nico_P | I agree it's not very clear |
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23:39:52 | preglow | n1s: nice catch :) |
23:41:27 | bobrules | is there a racing game on rb yet? |
23:42:05 | * | safetydan looks at ml |
23:42:17 | safetydan | Now that is a good question. Why is Rockbox so accessible? |
23:42:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn: in what? |
23:43:00 | amiconn | In the binsize table |
23:43:19 | amiconn | Hover over the deltas for the various PP502x targets, and you'll see what I mean |
23:43:26 | safetydan | bobrules: chopper is sort of like a racing game |
23:43:28 | jhMikeS | haven't looked. just got back here. |
23:43:35 | amiconn | Compare that to single core targets (or those running single core) |
23:43:50 | Llorean | safetydan: I assume someone visually impaired saw it as a chance to better use his Archos? |
23:43:54 | hcs | bobrules: several "race against time"... |
23:44:57 | amiconn | Llorean, safetydan: The voice UI was *not* made by someone visually impaired |
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23:45:09 | amiconn | (but iirc some ideas came from visually impaired users) |
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23:45:17 | |sanchez| | hey whats up |
23:45:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn: perhaps something with alignment and pointers? |
23:45:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yeah, but 2KB ?? |
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23:46:45 | amiconn | The initial voice UI was mostly made by [IDC]Dragon (or at least brought to a committable state) |
23:47:06 | |sanchez| | i installed rockbox firmware and ran bootloader on my 3G ipod and i plugged it in to charge the batter, now it turns on brings up the apple icon and then says rockbox and says battery empty RECHARGE shutting down... |
23:47:08 | jhMikeS | only five iPod models. H10 and sansas seems normal. |
23:47:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: No, they don't |
23:48:45 | amiconn | Check the RAM deltas for PP502x targets over the last few commits (starting 14:00 this afternoon): always -2048, 0, or +2048 bytes |
23:48:49 | preglow | amiconn: which reminds me, i got a voice ui clip today, but all my voice ui options are off, does this normally happen? |
23:49:45 | preglow | i think it happened when i started to play a track, i don't know what it said |
23:49:48 | jhMikeS | increase in binsize with no ramsize increase? the overall delta seems slight compared to others. |
23:50:14 | amiconn | The deltas shown in the table are (bisize_delta+ramsize_delta)/2 |
23:50:25 | amiconn | You need to hover to see the details |
23:50:30 | jhMikeS | hmmm...now I'm seeing it |
23:50:56 | |sanchez| | anyone have any suggestions? |
23:51:13 | nanok_ | i am reading the manual, for an overview, and something just occured to me |
23:51:37 | amiconn | |sanchez|: That bug was reported by several G3 owners recently |
23:51:45 | pixelma | |sanchez|: I've heard this a few times recently from Ipod 3rd gen owners, I think there must be something broken... |
23:51:46 | n1s | sanchez: it's a known problem with recent builds on the 3g ipods but we don't know why it happens |
23:51:55 | * | amiconn can't fix as he doesn't have a G3 |
23:52:02 | nanok_ | would it be possible (maybe as an option) to have in menus where it is possible the current value displayed next to the menu entry? |
23:52:13 | |sanchez| | so does the 3g have trouble charging in general ? |
23:52:15 | n1s | iirc jhMikeS is the only active dev with a 3g |
23:52:19 | |sanchez| | like it wont charge at all ? |
23:52:48 | amiconn | n1s: Yeah, as dan_a seems to have vanished :| |
23:52:55 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yeah, I know how it's calced but since I hadn't been watching I had to look a little harder. |
23:53:58 | |sanchez| | amiconn i just got it to the charge screen!!! |
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23:54:32 | * | nanok_ is thinking if that might be in anyway related to that usb stack change zagor submited recently.. |
23:54:36 | safetydan | nanok_: that's been proposed a few times but none of the patches to do it have been committable |
23:54:45 | jhMikeS | obviously that recording.c commit shouldn't cut 2k from the binsize |
23:55:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It actually looks like this effect isn't new. I only discovered it today when I wondered why the red delta from table settings was som much larger for PP502x than for other targets, but for one PP502x target it was significantly smaller (Nano) ... |
23:55:20 | jhMikeS | the buffers do have huge alignment requirements |
23:55:41 | nanok_ | safetydan: hm, strange, it shouldn't be so hard to do.. (non-coder speaking, don't flame me :) ) |
23:56:43 | amiconn | nanok_: It is *very* hard to make it look decent on the broad range of lcd resolutions, with different font sizes etc |
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23:58:38 | nanok_ | amiconn: that's what i thought might be the problem, mainly the range of targets and lcd's on them. i guess without ugly "what player is this, so we know how / if to do it" code it is almost impossible |