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#rockbox log for 2007-11-29

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00:00:39roxfan[zzz]say, is there someone here from eu who can desolder and dump a bga flash chip?
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00:01:49kriim affraid of asking my stupid questions in here. can you browse in 'folder view' have a lot of VA and i just want to se a tree of folders sorted alphabetical(?).
00:02:32stripwaxkri - depends what you mean by "tree". the "Files" menu is sorted alphabetically
00:03:25krii mean, like i open my "/music" folder on my computer.
00:04:11krii have a tracklist of 20 gb and its from a lot of albums
00:04:21iamben_the "files" view lets you just browse the dir structure
00:04:38krithanks.
00:04:41stripwaxkri - if you want to see 'all' your subdirectories at the same time, no, rockbox can't do that
00:04:59kritree was the wrong word for it.
00:05:27stripwaxoh. then I'm not sure I know what you mean ..
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00:06:14safetydankri: what about the Files view doesn't fit with what you want?
00:07:53kriok rockbox folder is marked with a dot that means hidden so i cant find it
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00:08:06krinow im getting it strait
00:08:23safetydankri: you don't want to put your music in the .rockbox folder
00:08:35preglowPaulJam: yes, you can set the timeout to whatever you like, but i bet there are limitations
00:08:40safetydanjust create a music folder on your player and put your music there
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00:09:46kriyeah im pretty sure is quite messed up so i will clean the whole thing and remake it.
00:09:57*stripwax is still a bit lost
00:10:09PaulJampreglow: thanks
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00:12:22toffe82XavierGr: semi faulty ? what was the problem ?
00:12:39scorche|wroxfan[zzz]: i think LinusN is the one you are looking for, but i dont know what type of machine he has
00:12:59stripwaxI understand there is a non-working ipod 5g serial driver available (serial from the dock, rather than serial-over-usb). Is it non-working in the sense that it doesn't actually work with the 5g hardware at all, or is it just buggy?
00:13:14linuxstbroxfan[zzz]: Out of curiousity, what device is that flash chip in?
00:13:23roxfan[zzz]rio karma
00:13:39roxfan[zzz]the chip looks like i28F320C3B
00:13:49linuxstbWhy would you want to physically remove it? Is there no way to run third-party code on the Karma?
00:13:59roxfan[zzz]nope
00:14:03roxfan[zzz]encrypted firmware
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00:14:27stripwaxlinuxstb- nobody decrypted it yet as far as I know (same goes for most other Rio devices)
00:14:43*stripwax remembers taking a look some time ago
00:14:45scorche|wJdGordon: at lostlogic's now?
00:15:07XavierGrtoffe82: the screen was flickering with some white lines, not always visible
00:15:16roxfan[zzz]the binary sorta looks like it's xored with a 32-byte key but i got nothing with standard xor attacks
00:15:23XavierGrtoffe82: but for 30 bucks the 30GB HD is still valuable
00:15:28roxfan[zzz]though i'm not really a crypto guy
00:15:49XavierGrtoffe82: (not to mention that resitting the LCD might just fix the problem)
00:15:58toffe82XavierGr: yes, and perhaps a bad contact too
00:15:59linuxstbstripwax: From what I know, the IPL kernel contains an attempt at a PP502x serial driver, but the IPL devs never got it to work.
00:17:13*linuxstb is surprised toffe82 wasn't the buyer of that $30 Gigabeat S...
00:17:32toffe82:)
00:18:06toffe82linuxstb: I think I didn't look on ebay for 2 or 3 weeks now
00:18:07stripwaxlinuxstb- interesting. should be possible to get some pointers from the diag mode (I think it tests serial..). I've got some bits to make an ipod dock<->ttl rs232 usb cable and fancy something new to play about with..
00:18:51linuxstbstripwax: I think you would make lots of friends if you could get that working...
00:19:05stripwaxwoohoo! more friends! :-)
00:19:48linuxstb;)
00:20:55krihm, can i ask just 1 question not regarding rockbox?
00:21:07roxfan[zzz]ipod serial? afaik it needs some resistor
00:21:23stripwaxroxfan[zzz] - among other things, yes, it does
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00:21:27JdGordonscorche|w: yep
00:21:32linuxstbkri: You already have ;)
00:21:32*JdGordon dead tired
00:22:05linuxstbkri: Best to ask in #rockbox-community
00:22:45stripwaxroxfan[zzz] - here http://www.hardwarebook.info/IPod_Dock
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00:23:29stripwaxalso ordered the (lame) ipod 5g tv out cable to mess about with too.
00:24:49linuxstbDoes the diagmode test the tv-out?
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00:25:44stripwaxlinuxstb - yep
00:26:20stripwaxi'm semi-sorta-secretly wondering if tv-out is enabled by default and we just haven't noticed yet.
00:26:56linuxstbThe TV-Out has a separate framebuffer to the LCD - it won't mirror what's on the LCD.
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00:27:38linuxstbBut I doubt it's enabled, I'm almost certain it isn't on my ipod color (but it's been a long time since I tested)
00:28:01stripwaxoh - that's that scotched then. well, something else to play with anyway, when I get the cable
00:28:30linuxstbYes, TV-out would be nice to get working, even though the CPU isn't really up to doing anything interesting at 640x480...
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00:28:48stripwaxalthough - if we don't know how to control tv out, how do we know it has a separate framebuffer ?
00:29:10linuxstbBecause it doesn't display the same as the main LCD in the Apple firmware
00:29:42stripwaxfair enough!
00:29:57*stripwax hasn't actually ever tried the Apple firmwaer
00:30:00stripwaxre
00:30:36linuxstbI just remember reading lots of questions from people asking if it's possible for the Apple menus to be displayed via the TV-out. On the Color/Photo ipod, only photos are seen via the TV-out, not the menus.
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00:56:59LloreanIs there any reason MoB buffering should be more CPU intensive than the old buffering?
00:57:03preglowlaggy status bar :/
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00:59:03lostlogicLlorean: it shouldn't be, it has an additional thread but I don't see why it would eat more cpu time.
00:59:59Lloreanlostlogic: Well, on and off, I've been seeing people reporting more audio dropouts since MoB was added, and some of them claim it's during disk reads.
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01:00:14LloreanSo, maybe not more CPU intensive, but larger periods of time without yielding perhaps?
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01:01:40safetydanlack of yielding sounds plausible
01:01:41stripwaxI do get audio dropouts on initial buffering after switching on (with resume on startup)
01:02:12stripwaxAt one point it dropped out for almost a minute, filling the buffer, but I wasn't able to reproduce that (unfortunately - sounded like a doozy)
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01:02:41stripwaxturning off database auto update and dircache seemed to help, however. Too much disk thrashing, perhaps?
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01:05:27LloreanEither way, it seems that without changing settings some people are experiencing dropouts now where they wouldn't previously
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01:09:07stripwaxLlorean - according to sim, the same file gets opened repeatedly several times during initial buffering - is that expected?
01:09:17LloreanNo idea
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01:10:36Nico_Pstripwax: yes
01:11:03Nico_Pthere might be room for improvement there
01:11:34stripwaxMight it be more disk-intensive (rather than CPU intensive) than befoer
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01:13:21Nico_Pthat's quite possible, yes
01:13:33*Nico_P will have a look, possibly tomorrow
01:13:46stripwaxfwiw, here's an example http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
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01:14:34stripwaxeach .ogg seems to get opened two or three times
01:14:34Nico_Pstripwax: I doubt that's the link you wanted to paste ;)
01:14:42***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:14:53stripwaxerr.. right!!
01:15:00stripwaxhttp://pastebin.ca/801114
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01:17:17Nico_PATM, files will typically be opened once for metadata loading, once by bufopen (to get the filesize), and once for buffering
01:17:45lostlogicLlorean: we've futzed with the yield codec, that is it's gone now, that's more likely the cause than MoB
01:17:46Nico_Pmaybe dircache could help on getting the filesize
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01:18:56*stripwax needs his beauty sleep
01:18:59stripwaxgood-night
01:19:01*Nico_P too
01:19:06stripwax:)
01:19:08Nico_Pstripwax: gnight
01:19:21Lloreanlostlogic: "the yield codec"?
01:19:31DrCrow_Can anyone see what i am writing?
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01:19:40preglowoooh, boards of canada
01:19:46LloreanDrCrow_: Yes.
01:19:56DrCrow_ok, thanks
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01:23:32PaulJampropably a dumb question, but int is 32 bit in rockbox, right?
01:23:50Nico_Pyes
01:23:59PaulJamthanks
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01:30:39safetydanthere was one target that had 16 bit int at some point wasn't there?
01:30:48preglowPaulJam: rockbox types are what you'd expect on most 32 bit computers
01:30:49LloreanI think the gmini or whatever?
01:30:57preglowgmini at 16 bit int
01:31:02preglowat/had/rofl
01:31:49LloreanAny place you're depending on an int to be 32 bits, shouldn't you be using a type for that purpose rather than just expecting int always to be though?
01:34:52markunpreglow: what about boards of canada?
01:34:56jhMikeSbuffering shouldn't be more CPU intensive. actually it should be doing a better job letting the codec run and irrelevant when the buffer is filled.
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01:37:58preglowmarkun: just saw geogaddi in stripwax' pastebin
01:38:28LloreanjhMikeS: Well then perhaps something's going wrong. I've definitely noticed a significant increase in people reporting audio skipping, and several of them have specifically mentioned it happening while buffering
01:39:34jhMikeSAny report on their setup? I saw no evidence of it being near that even on a 3g ipod which is about as slow a rockbox target as exists.
01:39:50XavierGrwhat's the current status of the Gigabeat S port?
01:40:12preglowXavierGr: going forward, but nothing huge yet
01:40:22preglowwould you people please stop mentioning them? :>
01:40:32FunkyELFhmm, I've never used rockbox before. I'm running Linux right now but I can dual boot this machine into Windows. Should I go for the automated install or manual install on Linux or on Windows?
01:40:59jhMikeSpreglow: gigabeast, gigabeast. why not pick one up? :)
01:41:11LloreanjhMikeS: I've seen reports on 2G and Video iPods that I specifically remember
01:41:30preglowjhMikeS: i think i intend to, when cash comes by
01:41:37FunkyELFis this true?......Release.
01:41:37FunkyELF There has not yet been a stable release for the Ipod Video. Until there is a stable release for Ipod Video, use a current build.
01:41:42preglowjhMikeS: high time i got a new target now anyway, might as well get a cool one
01:41:43XavierGrpreglow: bootable or it still needs very low level drivers?
01:41:59preglowXavierGr: we're on the bootloader stage yet
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01:42:10Lloreanpreglow: I think we might be past the bootloader stage?
01:42:17XavierGrI wonder if I could help if in the end I get one
01:42:23LloreanLast I heard they had it loading a rockbox binary, which proceeded to logo and freeze
01:42:27preglowLlorean: then do correct me
01:42:32preglowcool, i didn't know that
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01:42:35jhMikeSLlorean: I'll say there seems to be more CPU activity when not buffering at all. A test I ran showed about 39% boost on a particular file before MoB, and about 43% after.
01:42:42XavierGrthough I don't really know if I have the skills...
01:42:56preglowFunkyELF: yes, there is no release yet, but what there is is very usable
01:43:07preglowFunkyELF: we kind of suck at the whole release thing
01:43:10LloreanjhMikeS: Actually, this most recent one is reporting it with FLAC, which honestly can't really run out of CPU...
01:43:24XavierGrbut if I get one of those beauties it is a damn motive to get my hands dirty :)
01:43:26jhMikeSpreglow: precisely. could do nice DSP plugins on that I think.
01:43:47jhMikeSLlorean: FLAC? Flac doesn't even cause boost with tone controls on on e200.
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01:45:12LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, my brain clearly wasn't connecting all the dots. Previous reports had been with MP3 and AAC and other lossy formats
01:45:44FunkyELFpreglow, would you go with the Manual or Auto install and on which OS, Linux or Windows?
01:45:54*psycho_maniac currently has a Gigabeat F80 ! :D
01:46:07LloreanjhMikeS: FLAC could just be a bad low watermark, but there's still the issue that I've seen several people reporting that, supposedly without changing anything, audio has become skippy and all the reports have been varying lengths of time after the MoB commit. Doesn't mean it was MoB, just thought that was the most likely candidate.
01:46:25LloreanFunkyELF: Auto if it works. Manual if auto says it can't find your iPod
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01:48:21jhMikeSLloreaN: I dunno, FLAC PCM stays pegged at the top with 0% boost. I think about the only lighter to decode format is WAV or AIFF. I think more info is needed about when and how.
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01:49:06LloreanjhMikeS: Most recent person reporting something: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14058.msg105232;topicseen#msg105232
01:49:40*jhMikeS proceeds to try to play FLAC with all DSP effects enabled
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01:50:24LloreanjhMikeS: Try watching the PCM buffer on flac during rebuffer maybe?
01:51:49jhMikeSok about 47% boost with literally everything on. :)
01:51:57FunkyELFhmm, I'm using the auto installer. When it says to select my device in the filesystem is it /dev/sdc or is it /media/myIpod ?
01:52:14LloreanFunkyELF: /media/blah
01:53:33FunkyELF"It seem your Bootloader is already up to date. Do you really want to install it?"
01:53:45jhMikeScodec way dominates and fills the PCM buffer within a couple seconds when playback is starting (everything still on)
01:53:48FunkyELFI've never installed rockbox before, is it talking about the ipod bootloader?
01:54:05preglowFunkyELF: it shouldn't claim that...
01:54:21FunkyELFpreglow, I said cancel
01:54:26FunkyELFpreglow, ignore rather
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01:54:43preglowthere's never any real danger of bricking an ipod, so you could try
01:54:55FunkyELFNetwork error. Request aborted. Please check your network and proxy settings
01:54:55preglowbut as far as i know, it shouldn't claim you have an up to date bootloader if you've never installed rockbox
01:55:02*FunkyELF will try the manual installation method now ;-)
01:55:45jhMikeSthe entire file buffer fills in about 4 seconds with nothing on, PCM approx. 1
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02:02:30jhMikeSLlorean: these are dailies being dicussed? 15550 was a swedish .lang update.
02:02:41LloreanjhMikeS: I'm sure they're dailies.
02:02:52LloreanjhMikeS: People in the forums almost always refer to dailies.
02:03:43LloreanjhMikeS: 15550 is well after MoB though, isn't it?
02:04:37jhMikeSthe yield_codec removal (my variation) was 15724
02:05:03LloreanAh
02:08:21FunkyELFhmm, i installed rockbox but now I can't seem to get back into the original ipod firmware....i thought that following the directions would give me a "dual boot" installation
02:09:28LloreanFunkyELF: It does. Are you following the steps in the manual for booting the original firmware?
02:09:42psycho_maniacwhen you boot the player when the apple logo turns on switch the hold button on and it will load the Original firmware.
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02:20:23*jhMikeS begins the revision checkout process to find the pp5002 oddness *yawn*
02:20:49LloreanSee you in a few weeks then. :-P
02:21:12jhMikeSit's been widdled down to some time around Oct. 16
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02:22:06jhMikeSso I'll seach by month, week, then revision for the datestamp.
02:22:43jhMikeSLast Oct. 1 revision seems good
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02:23:41jhMikeShow many bloody source files are in rockbox anyway? I haven't done a full co in some time and it's definitely quite a number now.
02:24:13hcsyou just want to count the bloody ones?
02:24:14Llorean"A lot"
02:24:51jhMikeSyeah, probably some fancy "find" expression that skips .svn dirs
02:25:29LloreanOhloh says 480,500 lines
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02:25:48safetydanfind . -type f maybe?
02:26:05safetydanhrm, lousy .svn directories
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02:30:59preglowLlorean: i wonder how many are codecs
02:32:55preglowa quick find|xargs cat|wc -l suggests about 280k lines
02:32:56jhMikeSdamn, a huge number are bitmaps, more than half
02:33:01FunkyELFtrying to look through these docs....you'd think the quickstart would tell you where to put the music
02:33:38preglowjhMikeS: those are generated build time, not counted by ohloh
02:33:47jhMikeSalmost half rather
02:33:51safetydanFunkyELF: you put it where ever you want. Generally people create a music folder in the root (i.e. e:/ or whatever your drive letter is) and put their music there
02:34:00jhMikeSI haven't built anything in that tree
02:34:19pregloworly? i thought the bitmap source files were generated from headers
02:34:37preglowehh
02:34:40preglowfrom bitmaps.....
02:34:42*preglow needs sleep
02:35:36jhMikeSc, h, S = 1816 add bitmap and it's 3042
02:35:42preglowdamn, we're pretty close to being able to just eliminate the malloc buffer
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02:36:50preglowthe only two major annoyances left are vorbis and aac, the rest is contained container handling
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02:37:25jhMikeScontained containers? so much packaging these days. :)
02:38:03Lloreanpreglow: How big is the malloc buffer?
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02:38:40preglow512kb, afaik
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02:39:49Llorean512k for malloc, and another 512k for codecs?
02:39:53preglowaac should be easy enough to demallocify
02:39:56preglowtremor is going to be a bitch
02:39:58preglowLlorean: yes, afaik
02:40:42hcspreglow: I tested spc without the tag writing in spc.c, seems like that was the problem
02:40:51preglowhcs: good, like i expected, then :)
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02:41:06preglowwe should retain the possibility to have a malloc buffer in some way, though, to ease porting codecs
02:41:10preglownot that we have many left to port...
02:41:20hcspreglow: I'm going to check over other codecs, and commit that fix
02:41:35preglowhcs: don't think there are many that do that stuff anymore, but please do
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02:42:05jhMikeScodecs used to be responsible for all the meta fillin?
02:42:06preglownsf.c does
02:42:17preglowjhMikeS: don't think so, no, just hacks 
02:42:20Lloreanpreglow: Maybe just a #ifdef NEED_MALLOC or something?
02:42:27LloreanGet rid of it, but make it easy to bring back?
02:42:33preglowand nsf doesn't have a metadata parser, that's bad
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02:43:08jhMikeSpreglow: you mean in the core?
02:43:21preglowjhMikeS: aye, it does have its own, in the codec, but that's nasty
02:43:55preglowouch, speex has one
02:43:56jhMikeScodecs frankly shouldn't need to do any of their own looking anyway
02:43:58hcspreglow: ok, ok, I'll fix it
02:44:04preglowi'll fix that, at least
02:44:24hcs(nsf and spc, as they're my fault)
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02:44:45preglowhcs: yep, add a parser for nsf in apps/metadata
02:45:16hcsblah, it's a big nasty thing that has to deal with chunks and potentially read the whole file
02:46:04preglowlucky you, then :)
02:46:10preglowbut please do try to make it as small as possible
02:46:19*preglow thinks we might want metadata plugins some day
02:46:43*Llorean thinks so too
02:46:45jhMikeSsplice them onto the codecs as a separately loadable program
02:47:05preglowjhMikeS: i'd love the chance to compile a selection statically, though
02:47:12preglowjhMikeS: like mp3, etc, which always everyone will want to have
02:47:19preglowjhMikeS: but stuff like xm loaders should be plugins
02:47:29preglowjhMikeS: or, again, statically linked, if you happen to like the format
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02:47:46preglowi wonder how hard that'd be to pull off
02:48:10FunkyELFso, can anyone tell me what a virgin iPod directory listing looks like?....what are these ._.Trashes ._.VolumeIcon.icns .ColumeIcon.icns .Trashes and .Spotlight-V100 ?
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02:49:29safetydanFunkyELF: those are all files created by Mac OS X
02:49:36jhMikeSall you need is a loadable section directory in the header and it be contained in the codec...load the desired file section. I've been pondering this to have a system to allow mpegplayer itself to be larger than the plugin buffer and support multiple formats in a self contained file.
02:49:42RonOverdriveheya, does anyone know how to sync FLAC files to a rockbox enabled iPod?
02:49:53safetydanFunkyELF: actually one of them is from a Linux box I think
02:50:25FunkyELFokay...I'm about to boot into windows and erase all of my music from there to free up some space to make music available to rockbox. I wanted to go back to a virgin install....
02:50:28safetydanRonOverdrive: copy it? there's nothing to sync
02:51:19RonOverdriveit'll play normally if I just copy the files over manually?
02:51:25safetydanyup
02:51:58FunkyELFdoes iTunes have that functionality to wipe it clean and have it "virgin" ?
02:52:14safetydanFunkyELF: I think a "restore" will do what you want
02:52:21safetydanbut then you'll have to reinstall Rockbox
02:52:43FunkyELFsafetydan, thats fine....it was nothing
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02:54:24preglowjhMikeS: shouldn't be hard at all, no, nor should allowing #idef based conditional static compilation of them, now that i think about it
02:56:42*jhMikeS just installed an oct 1 build...no change...then built an oct 1 bootloader...bingo...works fine
02:57:07preglowi'll leave you to your fun
02:57:09preglowgnight
02:57:27jhMikeSlater
02:58:03kfazzhow can i disable sansa e200 OF db refresh? OEM Ver.: S301.02.18A-D
02:58:20kfazzi already updated the bootloader and connected usb to turn it on, it doesn't work
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03:02:14kfazzbootloader text mentions diasbling it too
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03:04:43rayjgu3hello all
03:05:01rayjgu3i got me a e280 sansa
03:05:12Mouser_Xrayjgu3: I'm sorry, but there's no "all" here right now. :P
03:05:25rayjgu3im running a 64 bit linux
03:05:35rayjgu3ok
03:05:42rayjgu3hey you
03:05:54rayjgu3mouser_X
03:06:24Mouser_X?
03:06:35rayjgu3im following the directions here
03:06:38rayjgu3http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html
03:07:05rayjgu3under installation
03:07:12jmworxpreglow: speex has one what?
03:07:38rayjgu3im clicking on bianary for 64 bit linux but page is not active
03:08:05rayjgu3page not found
03:08:06RonOverdrivedid you chmod +x it?
03:08:17rayjgu3i cant get file
03:08:23rayjgu3to chmod it
03:08:25RonOverdriveoh that binary
03:08:56rayjgu3yeah this one
03:08:59rayjgu3http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux64amd64/sansapatcher
03:10:54rayjgu3i got a laptop with windows but windows dont recognize it properly
03:11:34Mouser_Xrayjgu3: Can you use the 32 bit version?
03:11:43Mouser_XThe Linux 32 bit version, that is?
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03:11:58Mouser_Xhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux32x86/
03:13:45rayjgu3ok so i chmod this ?
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03:14:04safetydanjmworx: preglow was talking about the Rockbox speex.c which has it's own Ogg metadata parser. Nothing to do with libspeex
03:14:30jmworxah
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03:14:46Mouser_Xrayjgu3: I have no idea. I don't use Linux. I was wondering if that was useable for you.
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03:16:28rayjgu3well further investigating its for a 32 bit
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03:16:41rayjgu3the link for the 64 bit is dead
03:16:54rayjgu3http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/
03:17:11rayjgu3click on [DIR] linux64amd64/
03:17:13Mouser_Xrayjgu3: Indeed it is. That's why I lead you to the 32 bit one, and asked if it worked.
03:17:26mathowcan anyone offer help w/ full-screen album art on toshiba f40?
03:17:41rayjgu3yeah
03:17:43*Mouser_X doesn't use album art.
03:17:51Mouser_X(I
03:17:56rayjgu3ok ill give it a go
03:17:58Mouser_X'd rather use the space for music.)
03:18:14rayjgu3try to get a 32 bit going
03:18:17rayjgu3thanks
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03:18:40mathowme too but it can only be a few megs... not much lost
03:18:54mathowtnx anyway... anyone else?
03:18:55Soap224KB at the most
03:19:19Soap400 albums worth of art = 1 album of music.
03:19:54*Mouser_X has over 60,000 songs on his Gigabeat... Album art might collect in size quickly...
03:19:55Soap(at HA recomended lossy bitrates)
03:19:55*jhMikeS gets scared he's gonna get banished but is willing to repent if it turns out his fault :p
03:20:17Soapyou have 60,000 songs - but they're all chip music aren't they?
03:20:42Mouser_XAbout 40,000 or so.
03:20:56Mouser_X(Quite possibly more, I didn't keep accurate count.)
03:21:15safetydanmathow: what's the problem?
03:21:18Mouser_X32,000 are SIDs. That I know for sure.
03:21:32mathowright... 167mb of art... anyway =P
03:21:37mathowOK here it is
03:22:45mathowI'd love to be able to flick the hold switch and have only album art, nothing else... I tried w/ conditional tags for the hold sw and it will not work... any ideas?
03:23:04safetydanah, so it's a wps problem, have you looked through the forums?
03:23:09safetydanI'm sure this topic has come up before
03:23:24mathowtried like hell and couldn't find anything useful
03:23:49psycho_maniacwhen does LambdaCalculus379 usually come on?
03:23:49mathowI thought i read something about it the other day but if i did i sure can't find it again
03:27:15mathowhmm... does this mean nobody can help? =(
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03:28:09safetydanmathow: http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 one of the ipod themes does what you want, though it seems to require a custom build. Maybe it can be modified for the album art in SVN
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03:28:31safetydanlook for the one called "Hidden Info"
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03:29:15mathowthanks. I'll see what I can do though anything more than html or a wps is out of my league. appreciate it!
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03:35:34koideranyone knows where i can get ipodpatcher source code?
03:36:10koideri've looked in the source archive, tools/ipodpatcher is empty :(
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03:36:18Lloreankoider: Download via SVN then
03:36:38koidertrying to find the url or something on the website...
03:37:10jhMikeSsvn co -r 12345 over an existing checkout will work correctly?
03:37:41Lloreankoider: What URL? Check out the sources using SVN...
03:37:53Lloreankoider: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN
03:38:01LloreanjhMikeS: What are you trying to do?
03:38:13jhMikeSbinary search this pp5002 problem
03:38:16koiderrunning on openbsd
03:38:23LloreanjhMikeS: svn update -r 12345, I think
03:38:34Lloreankoider: There's no subversion client for openbsd?
03:39:01koideryup there is, didn't see you were talkin to jhmikes, ignore me ;-)
03:39:25jhMikeSyeah, but I'm doing it over a checkout without deleting the previous one. seems to have lots of U's and A's and D's so it must be doing something
03:39:45safetydanjhMikeS: yeah update to revision (i.e. update -r) is what you want, you can even use dates instead of revisions
03:40:37jhMikeSthen I'm doing it right :). I'm picking the last -r on a particular date since and problem on that date would include it.
03:40:48jhMikeS*that problem
03:43:55jhMikeSblah, everything's fine up to 15 Nov
03:44:10Soap-BarThat recent forum post regarding Nano glitching sure sounds like the ATA issue's symptoms
03:44:59LloreanSoap-Bar: Well, it's still true that we don't know *why* the "fix" works, so its entirely possible we've only half solved it.
03:45:22LloreanWe're back to the pre-80mhz state where only a very few will still experience symptoms, maybe?
03:45:42Soap-Baryea - since mine was so easy to make glitch I really need to play with it again.
03:49:41jhMikeS11-22 is a bust
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03:50:31funkyelfhey guys, I just booted into windows and plugged my iPod in. Now it says new hardware detected rockbox media player, but the drive didn't get mapped....any ideas?
03:51:48karashatafunkyelf: the USB stack doesn't fully work yet, at the moment all it does is request full power from the USB port for charging purposes
03:52:24XavierGrjhMikeS: I admire your patience, I remember how painfull it was to find which revision broke the iriver bootloaders...
03:53:00funkyelfkarashata, it gets mounted under Linux though right?
03:53:10karashatafunkyelf: not that I'm aware of
03:53:34karashatathough I don't use Linux so I can't check myself to prove anything right or wrong
03:53:37funkyelfkarashata, so you need to boot into the original apple firmware to hook it up and transfer files?
03:53:43karashatayes
03:53:58karashatauntil the USB stack is fully incorperated and operational
03:54:50*funkyelf needs to reboot
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03:55:47jhMikeSXavierGr: this is indeed painful. I know it within the week now. A few more iterations should get it.
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03:57:03nanokfunkyelf: nope, it doesn't get mounted. no usb mass storage stuck on the rb yet, so no way to mount it (nothing to mount, to be more precise)
03:57:27nanokfunkyelf: but i think it will be just a matter of time. with any luck we'll have it for christmas :)
03:57:46karashatathat would turn out to be a nice christmas gift
03:57:54karashataworking UMS connectivity in Rockbox
03:58:01karashatano more having to boot the OF
03:59:15funkyelfsorry, I left and came back....so it doesn't work in Linux either right?
03:59:30Soap-BarWorking UMS mode on PP targets and PP power issues fixed = the day the devs need to get together and take a finger up photo and mail it to PP.
03:59:30nanokjhMikeS: i was thinking: is it possible to change the bootloader a bit so you can have multiple instances of rb an load them alternatively as you wish? maybe it would be easyer for you than to keep replacing the rb every time (like backup the music, put all the versions you want on at once, and than reboot the player untill you find the guilty one)
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04:00:07karashatafunkyelf: according to nanok there's nothing to be mounted yet as UMS isn't incorperated into the current USB stack
04:00:55nanokkarashata: funkyelf afaik, there is not difference from this point of view, there just is now working mass storage stack on the player yet
04:01:37nanokbut, if i understood correctly from zagor, at least a limited version even of ums was allready tested and seems to work fine
04:02:07nanokso, all hope is not lost ;)
04:02:27nanok(no difference between linux and windows, i mean)
04:03:18jhMikeSnanok: No doubt it's possible, but is it wanted widely enough to bother or is it even not wanted in general? Rockbox would have to be able to run from different .rockbox directories (which isn't possible now)
04:03:44nanokSoap-Bar: no idea about the power issues, but ums i think (read: hope) is close
04:04:47psycho_maniacwould the exit button be considered a control on a plugin?
04:05:22nanokjhMikeS: uhm, okay. it was more like a shot in the dark, admitedly. i only used rb for about a month or two i guess, now, and all i can say is i wouldn't use such a feature, i allways put the current one in, and i never find it lacking compared to the previous one
04:05:30psycho_maniacin other words. you have a list of controls for the plugin. would you think of seeing exit under that list?
04:05:37nanokyeah, maybe there are some bugs, but that's not so bad usually
04:05:53jhMikeSThought it would be possible to copy trees to the .rockbox directory on startup to hack around the issue :)
04:06:00jhMikeS*Though
04:06:04rayjgu3ok so rbutil says bootloader is installed but it still boots up sansa?
04:06:12nanokpsycho_maniac: if i understand you correctly, yes, i would :)
04:06:22psycho_maniacthank you nanok
04:07:02karashatarayjgu3: did you install the actual firmware files? is there a .rockbox directory on your sansa somewhere?
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04:07:26rayjgu3yes .rockbox is in root of dir
04:07:30nanokjhMikeS: it was just a thought to help developers pinpoint issues like you are trying now (traceback would be the correct word). i was thinking about that, if it would be linux i would have mentioned it, but rb internals are too foreign to me
04:07:46nanoks/that/copying over to .rockbox on boot
04:07:56nanokhm, rather on shutdown
04:08:46nanokpsycho_maniac: mind you, that is just my user view, i have no idea what the rb "best practice" about this is, if there is one
04:10:32psycho_maniaci added this to a wiki page because i thought it would be necessary. when you enter a plugin you usually want to know how to exit it. so i added it.
04:11:52nanokpsycho_maniac: in my humble dumb user oppinion, it is a good idea
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04:20:32jhMikeSnanok: by far most of the time is spent building the revisions anyway. copying is the least of it.
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04:22:57nanokjhMikeS: uhm, okay. i kind of assumed there was a way to "bulk-build" them
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04:24:52jhMikeSI'm doing binsearch so which ones I need varies by the results otherwise I might need 1000 ahead of time instead of just a few
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04:51:18FunkyELFare there any games for iPod Video besides doom?
04:51:30hcsplenty
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04:54:01FunkyELFhcs, just not linked to from rockbox.org?
04:54:12safetydanFunkyELF: have a look at the plugin menu on your ipod
04:54:16safetydanor even the friendly manual
04:54:43FunkyELFoh....it comes with it...I thought it'd be a separate download since doom is
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04:55:41safetydandoom's not a separate download, just the data files it uses are
04:56:25james01also pacman
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05:02:29preethey all... I just used the arm-elf-objdump command to disassemble a BL.rom file. I used terminal, so I got a bunch of output, I wanted to ask how I can copy the output to a file so I can go through it, because the content gets cut off after awhile in terminal (ie I can't see what was at the beginning of the output)
05:03:48FunkyELFany resources for creating themes? I just downloaded the simulator. I took a look at some of the theme files....whats with the bitmaps in the icons directory? They all have a pink background?
05:04:24LloreanFunkyELF: See the CustomWPS wiki page
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05:05:38FunkyELFLlorean, tried searching for wps, then customwps...
05:05:47*FunkyELF doesn't know how to use twiki apparently, just mediawiki
05:06:14FunkyELFnevermind....I used the "go", not the "search'
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05:10:40safetydanpreet: something like arm-elf-objdump BL.rom > dump.txt
05:10:41FunkyELFLlorean, I'm looking at a Pen&Paper.cfg and it has stuff like "iconset: /.rockbox/icons/penpaper.24x24x16.bmp" but that wiki page doesn't mention anything about iconset
05:11:12LloreanFunkyELF: The iconset has nothing to do with the While Playing Screen.
05:11:16safetydanpreet: basically redirects stdout of the command to a file
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05:11:50LloreanFunkyELF: For iconset information, see the CustomIcons page.
05:14:39preetI figured out my previous question... now, I guess this is really general but how can I start interpreting/understanding the output of arm-elf-objdump -D. There are four columns, with different data. Is there a book/guide somewhere this is covered?
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05:15:57preetlike I'd probably be looking for some sort of guide for the ARM processor?
05:16:34safetydanpreet: not exactly a small topic.
05:16:49safetydanhave you identified which arm processor? are you familiar with arm assembler at all?
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05:17:55preetI can probably identify the arm processor from the rockbox wiki, It's whatever is inside the Olympus MR-100. I know it's no small task but I'm willing to spend the time and effort reqd in learning... I'm not familiar with arm assembler but I know C/C++.
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05:27:38safetydanisn't there already work going on to support that? or is the mrobe different?
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05:27:46eigmamrobe? what what?
05:27:54*eigma goes to read the logs
05:29:29safetydanah, I see the mrobe is the mr:500
05:30:34eigmaOlympus m:robe 500i == mr500 == the one with the big screen and touch
05:31:25eigmaI believe it's also the one with the HDD (versus flash for the 100)
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05:32:01safetydanpreet: your best bet is look at the existing portal player targets bootloader and try and understand what they're doing. Then compare to your dissasembled code. Are you sure the file you're looking at isn't encrypted though?
05:32:03eigmaerm, rather, I believe the 100 uses flash. I know for sure the 500 has a HDD. :-)
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05:35:43webguest77Hi!
05:35:57Mouser_X!!
05:36:00webguest77I have a little problem!
05:36:03eigmaomg zombies
05:36:40webguest77I want to change the behavior of the keys in my GIGABEAT F40 as the way is working
05:38:24safetydanIs there a question?
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05:39:18webguest77sorry, some interruption here!
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05:40:55webguest77As I was saying I usually put my Gigabeat in a jackets/pants pocket and go through the playlist using the forward/backward button *without* getting it out of the pocket as I don't other people checking it out ...
05:41:27*Mouser_X *wants* people to see his Gigabeat, in the hopes that they'll get one...
05:41:50Mouser_X(But not from me. I prefer my Gigabeat to stay in my possession.)
05:42:11safetydanwebguest77: and?
05:42:30preetI went afk for a little bit. I want to help the port for the MR100 along. Some work (by lowlines) has already been done on it, I think the LCD works, and the part that lacks support right now is the synaptics touch sensitive buttons. I'm pretty sure the file I'm looking at is decrypted, I didn't take it off my device, I got it off a specific site.
05:43:07webguest77The problem is that with the change of the behavour of the A button and central button of the navigator, I keep pressing unvoluntarily the central button with change/*messes* completely eith my usually carefully prepared playlist as it show the last folder used and activates one fthe files in the folder...
05:43:51safetydanwebguest77: you'll have to make your own build with the keymap changes you want
05:44:11webguest77So i lost my playlist and have to get out the Gigabeat from the pocket and start preparing the playlist again...
05:45:27safetydaneither that, or try setting "Warn on erase of dynamic playlist" on
05:45:37webguest77so... is there a way to tell Rockbox to not use at all the central button (short touch), or to use it to pause or something less modifying (like playpause or resturn to the main menu, etc)?
05:46:18webguest77Safetydan : Where is that setting?
05:47:15Mouser_Xwebguest77: It's not a setting. You'd have to modify the sourcecode to Rockbox, and build/compile your own version.
05:47:20safetydanwebguest77: somewhere in there. Search the manual.
05:47:42safetydanif that doesn't work, then yes you'll have to modify the source to make your own keymap
05:47:42Mouser_XThough, I guess it could be considered a setting within the source.
05:47:54webguest77Is there a way to use some sort of .CFG to change this or an option within the settings?
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05:48:26safetydanwebguest77: the warning on playlist erase is a setting you can change through the settings menu.
05:48:47safetydanThe actual behaviour of the buttons you'll have to change in the source code of Rockbox and make your own build.
05:48:52webguest77I think is more straightforward for anyone who want to change the keymap not to compile private version, or am I wrong?
05:49:16safetydanno, there's no easier way to do it
05:51:00webguest77Perhaps can it be considered for a future build? as I don't think I'm alone with this, with many people having similar situations ...?
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05:52:35safetydancustom keymaps are not likely to ever be supported
05:52:41webguest77For now, I'll check the settings for the 'Warn before playlist erase' although I think is possible that I also unvoluntarily press the central button which would confirm the warning, but I'll try it out
05:52:56webguest77Thanks SafetDan and MouserX
05:53:32webguest77See you!
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05:58:13preetHey... I'm sorry to keep bugging you. SafetyDan, I think your suggestion about following another portalplayer target is great, but where can I find something like this? Archived forum posts? The portalplayer chip the MR100 uses is the same one in the iPod mini, which I think rockbox supports... I just want some direction.
05:58:56safetydanpreet: have you checked out the rockbox source code?
05:59:30preetnope... '
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06:01:19safetydanthen you should start by doing that and looking it over
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06:18:38FunkyELFwho was saying before that you had to go into the original firmware to mount the ipod? I'm in Linux right now and its mounted
06:22:10LloreanFunkyELF: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on iPods
06:22:14LloreanYou're in the original firmware
06:22:38LloreanIs there a bit circle with a line diagonally through it in the middle of the screen, and the words "Do not disconnect" on your iPod?
06:26:13psycho_maniacwho was saying that FunkyELF? everybody
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06:30:15FunkyELFit was saying do not dissconnect but it was't apple's usual logo saying it
06:31:08ChrononIt's code that is stored in flash ROM rather than in the main firmware.
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06:31:31ChrononThat's definitely Apple's code that's running.
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06:33:09FunkyELFwhoseever code it is you don't have to manually boot into it, it happens automatically
06:33:36psycho_maniacthis has been known
06:34:00FunkyELFnot to me ;-)
06:34:05FunkyELFanyhoo....I'm going to bed
06:34:24FunkyELFI just told my brother to go ahead and trade his ipod with his buddy
06:34:46FunkyELFhe'll be trading an 80Gb classic for an 80Gb video iPod just so he doesn't have to use iTunes
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06:35:15psycho_maniacgreat deal.
06:36:13FunkyELFI've been using inkscape a lot now for graphics and I think I'll try to make a theme this weekend or something
06:38:34*Mouser_X needs to stop being lazy, and make a theme...
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06:40:43psycho_maniacwith the keyclick patch is there a setting in the menu to turn this on?
06:40:57psycho_maniaci found it
06:41:54psycho_maniacok the keyclick pattch is very helpful on the gigabeats
06:43:03Mouser_XBecause it gives you feedback when you push the "buttons?"
06:43:27psycho_maniacyes
06:43:39psycho_maniacwhen you press up,down.left, and right
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06:43:57LloreanI've never felt I needed feedback for those, but I think I'm the only person who feels that way
06:44:20LloreanLaying my fingers on them lightly gets no response, pushing does, and I've gotten used to just how much pressure I need to feel on my thumb/finger to know I'm pushing
06:44:45Joannahey
06:44:47psycho_maniacim starting to get used to the cross. im used to the scroll pad with the ipods.
06:45:46psycho_maniaci just got the patch to test it.
06:45:51Mouser_XLlorean: You're not the *only* one. I'm fine with my Gigabeat the way it is. If the keyclick were in SVN would I use it? Only if it was on by default, since I'd be too lazy to turn it on otherwise (and probably to lazy to turn it off).
06:46:03Joannaquestion. I downloaded the rockbox installer and installed the bootlander + rockbox etc.. now how do I get files and music on there also?
06:46:21Joannaim using the nano version btw
06:46:22LloreanJoanna: Just copy them over, using whatever method you want
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06:46:26psycho_maniacto get music on your player. just drag and drop
06:46:38Joannawow I can do that?
06:46:39Joannasweet
06:46:41Joannathanks :D
06:46:55Mouser_XIndeed you can. It's one of the main reasons I use Rockbox.
06:47:25Mouser_X(A directory structure makes *far* more sense than the gobbdly-gook that other players use. At least, for the music I have...)
06:47:58Joannawooohoo!
06:48:00psycho_maniacafter awhile i just turned the keyclick feature off. so i think im with you Llorean and Mouser_X
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06:49:30Joannaso in the rockbox folder in my ipod, I can delete and make new folders as much as i want? =o
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06:49:51Mouser_XJoanna: Don't use the Rockbox folder.
06:50:12Joannathen
06:50:17Mouser_XThe .rockbox folder is for the Rockbox firmware. You *can* put stuff in it, but it's not recommended.
06:50:24Joannaoh.
06:50:31Mouser_XJust make a new folder on the root called "My Music" or something.
06:50:37Joannakk
06:50:38Mouser_XAnd put everything in there.
06:50:45Joannathanks
06:51:28Mouser_XGlad to help. Personally, I have a "Music" folder, a "Books" folder, a "ROMs" folder (for Rockboy), and a "Videos" folder.
06:53:24Joannayou can just drag and drop roms?
06:53:36Joanna0.o
06:54:36scorcheJoanna: just think of your ipod as an external hard drive...
06:54:42Joannayeah
06:54:43Mouser_XPretty much.
06:54:44Joannabut
06:54:50Joannayou can play the roms
06:54:52Joannajust like that
06:55:05Mouser_XJoanna: The enter key is not the spacebar. And yes, you can.
06:55:15Joannawow....
06:55:29JoannaI am thouroughly impressed
06:55:32Joannawow
06:55:33JoannaYAY!
06:56:38LloreanJoanna: Please, try to type in full sentences, and don't just fill the channel with short lines. The IrcGuidelines mentioned in the topic are expected to be followed, as this channel is logged.
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07:00:05psycho_maniacLlorean: you scared him away
07:01:39amiconnjhMikeS: Everything okay up to Nov 15? That's in fact weird....
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07:02:09amiconnDid you replace both bootloader and build each time? And are you doing a full rebuild after checking out a new revision?
07:02:10Joannahey
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07:10:21jhMikeSamiconn: not that I can determine for sure. this is really bad
07:10:57amiconnYeah, the problem is that a binsearch won't work reliably because not all builds will show the problem
07:11:59jhMikeSamiconn: I only do a rebuild of x if the change could possible affect x. Doing that if pacbox changes is obviously not needed.
07:12:47amiconnIf you don't find anything, I'll probably do a walk through r14000...r15800 in steps of 10
07:12:56amiconnThat'd make 180 builds to try :/
07:13:08jhMikeSthat batt low-problem seems to have come in during the 18th. I haven't seen in on any revision from the before that.
07:13:08Mouser_XOuch.
07:13:27amiconnWhic 18th?
07:13:30amiconn*Which
07:14:13jhMikeSI didn't check that far. I'm trying to sample enough builds from any date since the probability of a crashing one appears to be around 50%
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07:14:52psycho_maniacglad i dont have my headphones fully on for the keyclick patch on the ipods very long beeeeeeeeeeeeeep :(
07:16:11jhMikeS18th of Nov since I think that's what you meant
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07:25:56Joannahey does rockbox support flv files?
07:26:00krazykitno
07:26:10Joannaohh ok
07:26:12Joannathanks
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07:43:44Joannahey
07:43:54JoannaI keep having these weird problems with rockbox
07:44:17Joannamy ipod would automatically disconnect and my comp would freeze up
07:44:26Joannarandomly
07:44:40Joannaand sometimes my ipod wont turn on unless i plug it into the comp
07:44:50Joannawould it be because of the new firmware?
07:45:05Joanna1.3
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07:54:36Joannahey anyone?
07:55:02psycho_maniacthe enter button is not a space bar you have been warned already
07:55:59Joannaoh. sorry
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07:58:37Joannak well quick question then, does the new ipod firmware 1.3 mess up rockbox in any way? because its acting very strangly right now
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08:10:03jhMikeSamiconn: think I cut the search parameters. r15142 (10/16) crashes. interestingly, it happens later than more recent SVN.
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08:20:57*Bagder got a pdf
08:21:25Bagderfrom Austria
08:21:36scorchedid you mail them?
08:21:41Bagderyeps
08:22:16scorchedid this pdf come in an NDA?
08:22:22scorches/in/with
08:22:51Bagdernope
08:23:26scorcheis it as good as one that would?
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08:23:53*scorche ends the guessing game
08:24:01Bagderit is the 192 page AS3525 data sheet
08:24:11LloreanJust like that? Wow.
08:24:17scorchefree of NDAs?
08:24:20scorchewow indeed
08:24:24Bagder"I see your initiative increasingly successful and I just read a good
08:24:30Bagderreview on PC Magazine. My compliments, an outstanding job!"
08:24:44*scorche thinks he likes AMS
08:24:48Bagderpdf AND compliments ;-)
08:24:55LloreanFirst TI releases a compiler. Then a datasheet. Then an email gets responded to with another previously unfound-elsewhere datasheet.
08:25:02scorchea glimmer of light in a sea of darkness..
08:25:19LloreanI'm wondering where I am, and how I got here.
08:25:36GodEater_I'm just wondering where Bagder will publish said data sheet :)
08:26:32BagderI'll treat it like the other AMS data sheet, it is not for public hosting
08:26:33GodEater_<Matrix mode>Llorean: Welcome....to the real world</Matrix mode>
08:27:05GodEater_oh - so they didn't make you sign an NDA, but still asked you nicely to keep it private ?
08:27:19LloreanBagder: Probably wise, as long as we don't have explicit permission to post it.
08:27:41scorcheGodEater: i see it more of a bit of respect, not posting it publicly
08:27:43Bagdernot exactly, but in my mail I mention our previous good cooperation with the AS3514 data sheet and how we have kept our end of the deal
08:27:45GodEater_yeah I guess so
08:28:16Bagderit is marked "confidential"
08:28:27scorchewell, that settles it
08:28:28GodEater_fair enough then
08:29:46*GodEater_ laughs at an email he sees from his project manager going to some users apologising for "the incontinence". Way to go spell checker :)
08:30:13Bagder*g*
08:30:29GodEater_I had to email her back and ask if she was unwell...
08:31:43scorcheGodEater: the template (blank document they fill in for service requests) they use at work says "Requestor" multiple times on it...it drives me mad
08:32:53GodEater_make them change it ? :)
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08:36:01*GodEater_ sees zajacattack still doesn't seem to get it
08:36:41LloreanI really, really hate issuing ultimatums like that.
08:37:35GodEater_I didn't get to join in the original discussion - but he really just seemed to want to shout at people
08:37:36LloreanThat's really only maybe the second or third time I've had to say "Look, I'm in charge here, this is the way it's going to be" rather than simply enforcing pre-written rules.
08:38:21GodEater_maybe someone should have pointed out that the "helper" people he's talking about ARE the rockbox experts - and they've all been brought up from "the ranks" of normal forum users
08:38:38GodEater_there's not this little clique going that he thinks there is
08:38:39scorcheGodEater_: well, i did, but i deleted my post
08:38:52GodEater_wuss ;)
08:38:55LloreanGodEater_: He either wouldn't have believed it ("you just picked your friends / conspirators / whatever") or he would've said that they've all become corrupt already
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08:39:13GodEater_Llorean: I guess. There's none so blind as won't see etc. etc.
08:39:19LloreanThere's no doubt in my mind that he wasn't thinking clearly.
08:39:37LloreanHe found flaw in Chronon asking for more information, or the fact that we couldn't answer questions completely unrelated to Rockbox.
08:39:37*GodEater_ likes the idea that there's a "Rockbox conspiracy" :)
08:39:58GodEater_indeed
08:41:13LloreanClearly our primary goal is to keep the inner working secret, and keep good intentioned contributors down!
08:41:28GodEater_yep
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08:41:52jhMikeSConspiracy theories about you are a sign that you're important. :)
08:42:00Bagderyay!
08:42:04GodEater_hehe
08:42:09*scorche places the tinfoil hats out of reach
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08:43:05GodEater_I'd like to congratulate all those who managed to refrain from telling zajacattack that the reason we deleted all his posts is because he is clearly as dumb as a tree stump.
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09:02:53GodEater_http://www.mishare.com/index.html <−− interesting :)
09:03:19GodEater_wonder (if)/how it copes with DRM'd tracks
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09:10:55amiconnjhMikeS: I am puzzled comparing your r15139 commit and the irc log of Oct 16
09:11:51amiconnI tested and it started working again - but that section in thread.h could not have been the problem, because SW_CORELOCK wasn't defined for PP5002 until you enabled dualcore for PP5002 recently
09:12:40amiconn(note that there is a 2 hour difference between the irc log (it's CEST == GMT+2) and http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html (that's GMT)
09:13:58jhMikeSr15139 works
09:14:26amiconnSo to me it looks like the new scheduler commit was when the problem started, and since then has always been there. I know that it doesn't affect all builds
09:14:41*LinusN lost his powerhour source code :-(
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09:15:08jhMikeSI'm going back down to r15133 that and 10 before it show no ills
09:15:09amiconnBut why PP5002 only? Maybe some data is cached which shouldn't?
09:15:09*Bagder tears his hair. no powerhour!
09:16:03amiconnDo we cache iram by accident? Is that at all possible?
09:16:10jhMikeSamiconn: shouldn't matter since having the COP never run makes no difference
09:16:27jhMikeSno, the controller should never cache addresses above 0x3fffffff
09:16:44GodEater_wth is power hour anyway ?
09:17:21BagderGodEater: a weird (beer) drinking game thing
09:17:44*petur is not triggered
09:18:00Bagderhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour
09:18:50Bagder"Several alcohol poisoning deaths related to this activity have lead to legislation in Minnesota, North Dakota and Texas"
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09:19:46GodEater_ah
09:20:02GodEater_so a RB plugin for this would switch the tune being played every 1 minute
09:20:39GodEater_<5 pints in an hour has caused alcoholic poisoning ?
09:20:46GodEater_what the hell is in the beer they use there ?
09:24:54LinusNwell, meybe they drank a pint every minute? :-)
09:25:00*LinusN can't spell today
09:25:46peturtoo many drinks? :P
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09:27:33jhMikeSthe first build that has a problem that changes the core is r15140
09:28:04jhMikeSr15134/5 are sim only updates
09:28:42jhMikeS11 samples from r15092 to r15133 are ok
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09:31:38LinusNpetur: i had a hard time when testing that plugin
09:32:05*petur thought it was a joke...
09:32:07jhMikeShehe, if I type in r15140 from trunks/firmware, I get an exception and Python Traceback
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09:37:25LinusN"Vomiting or abandonment of the goal usually result in elimination. In some cases the re-drinking of vomited liquid is acceptable behavior to stay in the running." :-)
09:38:14jhMikeSthat's just nasty
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09:38:34LinusNhaha
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09:40:23*GodEater_ has played a game with similar rules, but it's called "pub golf"
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09:58:42markunGodEater_: does it involve a pingpong ball and beerbottles (for the goals)?
09:59:15GodEater_not quite no
09:59:49markunyet another nice game then :)
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10:00:09markun(this one is called "balletje balletje" in dutch :)
10:00:18GodEater_it involves a "golf course" consisting of a number of pubs. Each pub or "hole" has a par (number of drinks to be consumed whilst there) and a time limit in which to consume them.
10:00:44GodEater_the game is played in pairs - a "pro" and an "amateur". The pro has to drink pints, the amateur has to drink shorts with mixers.
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10:01:24markunbefore people start complainging: I think beer is very on topic for rockbox :)
10:01:31GodEater_any visit to the toilet during a hole is counted as having removed one from your score for that hole (so you need to drink an extra drink). Similar rules for vomiting, except each heave counts as one off your score.
10:01:54markunWhat a rediculous game :)
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10:02:08*jhMikeS find out swp(b) may be fine on PP5002 afterall which is a darn good thing for it
10:02:08GodEater_any unconsumed drinks still in your hand when the time limit for the hole is reached must be poured over your own head...
10:02:16GodEater_um - that's about all I remember :)
10:02:26aliaskThere's a very similar variant that we play in Australia, where the number of sips it takes to finish a pint is equivelant to the number of swings.
10:02:51aliaskSkulling the pint is a hole in one.
10:03:13GodEater_I feel ill just thinking about it :)
10:04:13GodEater_the one and only time I played it, my partner (he was the pro in our pair) managed a "tactical" vomit outside the third pub (by which time I think he'd consumed 9 pints), where he managed to let the whole lot go outside the pub in one go.
10:04:16GodEater_so we only lost one point.
10:04:35safetydanhrm, anyone agree that most sound related settings should wrap?
10:04:57*safetydan reads up
10:05:03markunsafetydan: like volume?
10:05:06*safetydan wonders if he's wandered in to the wrong channel?
10:05:24peturor in the wrong pub?
10:05:33safetydanmarkun, volume is already taken care of, I'm thinking of things like the equalizer settings which isn't strictly a SOUND_SETTING in the macro sense
10:06:02peturbass and treble already wrap too, no?
10:06:03jhMikeSsafetydan: if they wrap in a similar way to lists (only if not repeating), I wouldn't mind
10:06:19markunsafetydan: why should they wrap? Do you have an example of settings which should?
10:06:24peturand volume should never wrap imho
10:06:43jhMikeSOf course going mistakenly from -74db to +6 would be bad
10:07:00markunI'd rather prefer the colour picker to wrap for example
10:07:01ShaidI've done that.
10:07:06Shaidit uh, wasn't fun.
10:07:13safetydanmarkun, woops, *shouldn't* wrap is what I meant to write
10:07:17pixelmasafetydan: just read the logs - there is also work done for porting Rockbox to the mrobe100, mostly by low_light. Pitily he didn't commit his stuff yet. The best place of information is the new ports forum thread IIRC
10:07:35jhMikeSlow_light = port machine?
10:07:37safetydanpixelma, ah yeah, I forgot about the new ports forum
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10:08:08markunsafetydan: well, in that case I agree that they shouldn't wrap :)
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10:08:56jhMikeSyeah, maybe they shouldn't...too may awful suprises for your ears
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10:09:13safetydanprecut for example wraps
10:09:46safetydanwhich would be bad since that's still a 24 dB change in volume
10:11:28Zagordoes anyone know the difference between "wide mode" and "word wrap" in the text viewer plugin?
10:12:27jhMikeSwide mode = no wrap? :p
10:12:48jhMikeSI mean it's wider if it doesn't wrap, right?
10:12:53*safetydan adds yet another macro to the settings code
10:13:26*linuxstb_ points Zagor to the manual ;)
10:13:26ZagorjhMikeS: but they are two different options. I can't see the difference between them.
10:13:35Zagorlinuxstb_: haha, good idea :)
10:13:37safetydanhrm, should the crossfeed gain settings wrap? I'm not sure how dangerous that is to your ears if it wraps.
10:14:52markunZagor: with word wrap on the words are cut off only at spaces I think
10:14:52linuxstb_safetydan: No, IMO no gain settings should wrap.
10:15:10safetydanright, that's easy then
10:15:28*linuxstb_ reads the manual and is quite impressed at the huge number of text viewer settings...
10:15:43Zagorafter reading the manual I still don't get it... maybe it's obvious on larger displays than the c200
10:16:42markunZagor: maybe the settings could be combined: "wide, narrow (normal wrap), narrow (cut off)" or something
10:17:38pixelmalinuxstb_: and that even though the manual is quite outdated there? (e.g. it's missing the "encoding" settings and how to enter the settings and it's wrong in saying that settings won't be stored etc...) ;\
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10:18:53linuxstb_pixelma: I almost never use the text viewer, so didn't notice...
10:19:06markunWhat do you guys think of changing the behaviour of the left and right buttons in the viewer?
10:19:38pixelmawe'll probably need a manual-update-week...
10:19:47ZagorI think all buttons other than up/down are confusing in the viewer, so it can't get any worse :)
10:19:50markunPaulJam (I think) suggested: left/right could page up/down
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10:21:11markunhitting right by accident and jumping to the end of the file can be very frustrating
10:21:38markunif you are crazy enough to be reading a book on a Gigabeat for example :)
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10:31:30leftrightI read txt books on my H140 often, and its very frustrating to have the left/right keys assigned to End/Start of txt book, most frustrating because there is no way of finding ones place quickly again
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10:36:18markunleftright: yes, let's change it
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10:39:30leftrightif I had to change code nothing would work, :-)
10:40:50leftrightthanks for looking into it.
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10:57:19safetydanI'm surprised no one seems to have complained about the iPod Video hardware equalizer settings going away.
10:58:56pondlifeIt tends to take a week or 2 after a commit before the complaints flood in.
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11:03:35Bagdertwo fiiiine weeks ;-)
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11:17:00LinusNperhaps this is old news, but the ipod video OF finds out if it has 64MB memory by checking if the memory is aliased at > 32MB
11:18:49amiconnI don't think that checking the amount of RAM is a problem
11:18:55amiconnOur memory layout is
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11:20:24LinusNamiconn: i know
11:21:02LinusNi just found the 32/64MB check in the OF ROM, so i thought i should chare the info
11:21:08LinusNshare even
11:23:17aliaskI wish I could work out what this function is... stupid assembly.
11:24:55aliaskIt's called by something like 10-15 other subroutines, so it might help fill in a bit of the picture. At least IDA is better than objdump :P
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11:37:16preglowsafetydan: i don't think any volume related options should wrap
11:37:33preglowBagder: 250 pages? sounds a bit thin for a soc
11:37:40safetydanpreglow, well good, because now they shouldn't :)
11:38:31nanokhm, is charging on the sansa e200 really working?
11:38:50nanoki have tryed it several times now, and with the same result: nope :(
11:39:37Zagornanok: windows, linux or separate charger?
11:41:01linuxstbLinusN: I've been thinking about adding a 32MB/64MB check to the start of the 64MB Rockbox build - so it can tell the user that he/she has installed the wrong build. Although we don't seem to get many problems with that any more...
11:41:51nanokZagor: linux
11:42:01preglowwhat about implementing the plugin and codec relocation stuff so we can use the same build for both?
11:42:15Zagornanok: is the battery animation running?
11:42:15preglowthat would be neater :>
11:42:20nanokZagor: separate charger i don't have yet, but i guess that should work regardless of the usb code (the new one or the old one)?
11:42:44nanokwell, it says charging, the level goes up to 100% very quick..
11:43:28nanokafter a while, after a few hours, i dissconnect it and after a reboot or a short while of usage, the level drops to around what it was before charging
11:43:37Zagornanok: leave it in a couple of minutes, then look at debug->view battery
11:43:40nanok(like, in this particular case now, about 60%)
11:44:10advcomp2019Zagor, i have the same problem with the newer builds
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11:45:08Zagoradvcomp2019: are you running windows or linux?
11:45:20Zagor...or separate charger?
11:45:40advcomp2019Zagor, tried both but do not have a separate charger
11:46:05Zagortesting with a separate will help determining if it's a usb power issue or a charging issue
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11:46:13pixelmaI also don't trust in charging yet because of what it's shown in the status bar (going up to 100% real quick) haven't checked battery status so far though
11:46:35pixelma*is
11:46:41Zagorlunch
11:46:44advcomp2019Zagor, i have tried both vista and xp
11:51:17nanokZagor: seems to me like it's reading from the wrong place somehow (the voltage)
11:51:53nanokeven in debug, right now i have 4.6xx V displayed (it varies quickly, but around there)
11:54:11advcomp2019Zagor, one thing i know is r15801 does charge the battery fine
11:54:58barrywardellZagor: why does the USB_CHARGING_ONLY still have bulk endpoints?
11:57:07barrywardellalso, shouldn't ep1_fs_in_descriptor and ep1_fs_out_descriptor have a wMaxPacketSize of 512?
11:58:55nanokhm, the voltage "average" does seem to sllowly rise..
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12:00:52pixelmayes, same here but 4,6+V sound... unlikely
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12:05:01n1ssafetydan: was there a reason you invented a whole new macro instead of steeing the nowrap flag for the settings that shouldn't wrap?
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12:12:27advcomp2019nanok, could you try r15801 and see if that does the same thing or not because it seems to me it does charge the sansa fine
12:13:31nanokadvcomp2019: hm, i see i don't have that one, so i never tryed it
12:13:42nanokadvcomp2019: but i need quite some time to figure it out
12:13:55nanokadvcomp2019: i will try, thanks for the hint
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12:16:01advcomp2019nanok, look at the daily builds.. i see it is there.. i am going to try r15806 myself
12:17:17pixelmathe battery readouts seems a bit fishy in general to me - in a battery_bench it jumps around a bit too much for my taste (that's just my impression though)
12:22:50nanokadvcomp2019: wild guess: 27 Nov 01:35Mike Sevakis firmware/target/arm/ipod/adc-ipod-pcf.c [diff] Further lockdown of multipart i2c operations that must be done without intrusion.
12:23:01nanokmaybe this is the cullprit
12:23:20nanokadvcomp2019: i will try 15801 now and see if i can notice a difference
12:28:49pixelmawhat should an ipod commit have to do with the Sansa(s)?
12:29:38advcomp2019nanok, i was wondering that same thing
12:29:42nanokpixelma: mhh, silly me
12:29:57nanoksorry, was not paying enough attention
12:30:05nanoktrying 15801 now
12:30:37nanokdissregard my remark. my chance at figuring out what might have broken it is very slim anyway, i shouldn't even try ;)
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12:38:32barrywardellDo LiIon batteries degrade with the number of charges (regarding FS #8147)
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12:39:03advcomp2019barrywardell, as far as i know, no
12:39:45nanokhmm, i think they do have a limited cycle count
12:40:15nanoki don't know how rb is reading the voltage, but it seems really strange..
12:40:40nanokthe variations are quite inconsistent, and the value itself is not very realistic at first glance
12:42:37barrywardellthe wikipedia page says their life depends most on their age. no real mention of number of recharges
12:42:43advcomp2019barrywardell, as far as i know if you keep an Li-Ion battery charged and not let it die it can last a long time
12:43:01barrywardellyeah, that's what I thought. best to charge it often
12:43:52advcomp2019barrywardell, Li-Ion batteries does not have a memory like Ni-Cd batteries had
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12:46:20amiconnLiIon doesn't exactly like to be fully charged all the time
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12:47:17pixelmaafter disconnecting USB, the voltage quickly dropped to a realistic value of 3,8V
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12:52:21nanokpixelma: yes, that's what i see also
12:53:18Zagormy c200 battery voltage (debug->view battery) doesn't jump around at all. it sits very stable at 4.734V
12:53:32Zagor(with usb connected)
12:53:41nanokhm. voltage delta's in the last 5 minutes or so are around 0mV (occasionally -1mV, +1mV)
12:53:51amiconnYeah, and that means this can't be the battery voltage
12:54:26nanokamiconn: i think it is something else also, it is read "too far" from the battery or something, i don;t really know
12:54:30amiconnAnything above 4.2V would make the battery explode
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12:55:45advcomp2019amiconn, mine reads with the usb cable plugged in 4.5v
12:55:48Zagorthe scale started at 3.997
12:55:56nanokamiconn: well, maybe that is the voltage applyed to the battery, but not what the battery actualy gets, thanks to the internal circuit which protects it
12:56:32Zagorah, 4.7 is the input voltage. as soon as I disconnect usb it's back to 3.9V
12:56:53nanoki could understand that. but than how does the OF figure out when it is charging and when it is "done" (delta's?)
12:56:55pixelmaZagor: did you have a look at a battery_bench.txt? There is one in the tracker (even though battery_bench doesn't work _correctly_ anyways) and 1000 voltage changes which are logged in 5 hours don't sound right, especially since the go up and down a bit
12:57:10amiconnIt's probably the voltage the main circuit is running from
12:57:31amiconnDoes the ADC have multiple channels?
12:57:45pixelmaZagor: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8070?getfile=15253
12:57:45Zagoramiconn: "as soon as I disconnect usb it's back to 3.9V"
12:59:05advcomp2019mine jumps down to 4.0V when i unplug my usb cable
12:59:05Zagorpixelma: that looks like a perfectly fine discharge to me. what is the problem this file intents to show?
12:59:36pixelmait should show the "jumpiness"
12:59:40barrywardellamiconn: it has loads of channels
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13:00:40pixelmaZagor: because the values are only logged if a voltage change is measured
13:01:31Zagorpixelma: I wouldn't say 1-3 mV reading differences qualify as jumpiness
13:01:39barrywardellZagor: I see. thanks for clearing that up. So, we could probably have "full speed" working since it's only 64 bytes?
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13:02:59nanokZagor: btw, i noticed a commit in a recent changelog which mentioned usb-storage. is it allready in, at "fs" (64B)?
13:03:03barrywardellamiconn: see debug_menu.c:1186
13:04:54Zagorbarrywardell: yeah, I've been working on that a few nights. I get less problems than with high speed, but still problems.
13:05:26Zagornanok: no, it was just a commit to correct some test code
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13:06:43Zagorbarrywardell: but I some of the problems are due to USBs very strict demands on protocol implementation. one fault and you're out.
13:06:43nanokZagor: okay. just checked now, no usb mass storage kicking in on connect, indeed
13:08:17ZagorI guess using a better sniffer could help with the protocol bugs
13:08:41barrywardellZagor: also, is the code inside the if(send) in prime_transfer() just for debugging? surely usb_drv_int() will handle that?
13:09:44nanokadvcomp2019: it seems the behaviour is the same with 15801 for me..
13:10:12preglowlinuxstb: what shape is the alac decoder in?
13:10:13nanokadvcomp2019: but i will leave it for an hour or two and see after
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13:10:58Zagorbarrywardell: yeah it's test code since I felt I didn't get all the interrupts I was expecting.
13:11:58advcomp2019nanok, i think i made a small mistake on the numbers because now i cant with r15801 too
13:12:26Zagorotoh having that, or a separate usb_drv_wait(), is rather nice since it makes the transfer synchronous and thus much simpler high-level code
13:12:56barrywardelltrue
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13:15:08preglowlinuxstb: seen that the alac decoder we use has been updated?
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13:49:33safetydann1s, it was done often enough that i thought it justified a macro
13:50:14LinusNthe apple OF seems makes a lot of decisions in the code based on the 64 vs 32 meg memory
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13:58:50linuxstbpreglow: I'm not really sure how to describe the state of the ALAC deocder - no-one seems to complain about it... Are you talking about the standalone ALAC decoder being updated, or the version in ffmpeg?
13:58:54preglowLinusN: what kind of decisions?
13:59:09preglowlinuxstb: standalone, but aren't they really the same?
13:59:28LinusNpreglow: like charging current measurement for instance
13:59:45preglowLinusN: wow...
13:59:57preglowi wouldn't have expected that
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14:00:08Zagorso it's rather like a board revision check
14:01:15aliaskHrm. I've found a function in the S' OF bootloader which "does stuff" to certain hardware addresses. From experience, all the addresses it touches are read only in RB. And to think I thought RE was useless!
14:01:40linuxstbpreglow: The last release I can see for the alac decoder is September 2006 (0.1.3) - is that what you're talking about?
14:02:00LinusNZagor: looks like it
14:03:19Nico_Paliask: nice
14:04:33aliaskNico_P: One of the addresses is ATA
14:04:43aliaskSo writing probably won't work
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14:06:00preglowlinuxstb: aye
14:06:01linuxstbaliask: I'm not sure where I got it from, but I have a file called gigabeat-research.zip, and inside there is a file describing how the OF bootloader remaps memory addresses - have you seen that?
14:06:21aliasklinuxstb: No, but I would be VERY interested in that
14:06:28preglowwhy are you reing a platform that has docs? :>
14:06:51aliaskBecause I don't want to wade through the 1600+Page datasheet :P
14:07:14aliask2300*
14:07:24preglowhaha
14:07:28preglowmost of that stuff isn't interesting just for booting
14:07:47linuxstbaliask: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/gigabeat-research.zip
14:08:12aliasklinuxstb: Thanks
14:08:19Nico_Plinuxstb: isn't this on the wiki?
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14:08:58linuxstbe.g. it says that the OF bootloader is remapping RAM from 0x80000000-0x83ffffff to 0x88000000-0x8bffffff, but also mentions a whole load of other addresses.
14:09:12linuxstbNico_P: I couldn't find it there the other day - maybe it was in the forum thread...
14:10:32*preglow reminds people not to care too much about what the of does when we have docs
14:10:38preglowor are there any components we don't have docs for?
14:11:03linuxstbpreglow: I agree. It's helpful to know what state the bootloader leaves things in though...
14:11:42preglowah, yes
14:11:49preglowso we're not going to replace the bootloader? :)
14:12:00linuxstbOnly when Slasheri gets his S...
14:12:16linuxstbOr someone equally adventurous...
14:12:27preglowwell, jtag should make it fairly safe
14:12:34preglowyou don't have to be mad to do it :)
14:12:50GodEater_I'm not certain we've gound the jtag on it have we ?
14:13:09preglowi don't know, i just magically assume it's there
14:13:25preglowif even ipods have them, everything will have them
14:14:13aliaskOh, it has it
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14:14:20aliaskBut we don't know if it's been disabled in hardware
14:14:39linuxstbaliask: Did you try reading the S's USB registers in Rockbox?
14:14:40aliaskThere's some security feature of the chip where some fuse can be shorted to disable JTAG
14:14:55aliaskI did again today, it freezes when you try to read them
14:15:00aliaskLike it did before
14:15:03linuxstbWhat address are they?
14:15:05preglowaliask: that sucks...
14:15:19preglowwhat socket is the chip?
14:15:22aliask0x43F88000, 0x43F88120 and 0x43F88124. all are 32-bit words.
14:15:29aliaskpreglow: BGA
14:15:32preglowbah
14:15:47linuxstbaliask: The OF bootloader remaps those addresses...
14:16:03GodEater_to....
14:16:14aliaskAh!
14:16:19aliasklinuxstb: Nice spot
14:16:19linuxstbIt looks like they should be at 0x9bf88000 etc (replace 0x43 with 0x9b)
14:16:38preglowargh
14:16:51aliaskBy the way, I have a Gigabeat S motherboard with corrupt flash
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14:16:55preglowswitching tracks near the end of a directory has such a high failure rate
14:17:01aliaskMotherboard and casing, and a cracked LCD
14:17:14aliaskSo if anyone wants it...
14:17:16preglowi just now ended up in the middle of wps/ when trying to play an .ogg file
14:17:37linuxstbpreglow: Have you checked your disk for errors?
14:17:57preglowyes, and there are some bad sectors, but they've been mapped away
14:18:02preglowlinuxstb: and it didn't do this before mob
14:18:10GodEater_how did interrupt work go with the S yesterday? I've not caught up...
14:18:30linuxstbaliask: Can you try reading the USB registers again?
14:18:38aliaskBuilding now
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14:20:41linuxstbGodEater_: I don't think there was any progress.
14:21:29GodEater_do we not need them working for the usb stuff to be useful ? Or have I missed something (very likely I admit) ?
14:22:46linuxstbpreglow: Looks like I already checked out 0.1.3 (I have a copy on my hard disk) - a diff with the earlier versions show the changes were just in the mp4 parsing, not the decode itself (apart from a few optimisations, which are in Rockbox already).
14:23:06preglowright
14:23:15preglowthe opts were mainly what i was thinking about
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14:23:42linuxstbAt last we can implement the count_leading_zeros function with the ARM CLZ instruction though...
14:23:50preglowlinuxstb: btw, any chance of clearing out libm4a of mallocs?
14:24:07preglowlinuxstb: well, sure, on gigabeat s, none of our other targets are arm5
14:25:23linuxstbDM320 is, and so is Telechips
14:25:33preglowsure, then those can have it
14:25:41preglowbut gigabeat f and sansas can't
14:25:47preglows/sansas/ppS/
14:26:55preglowlinuxstb: but yeah, what about libm4a?
14:29:40linuxstbWhat should we do about the seektable? It could be nice to be able to store it on the audio buffer.
14:30:02aliasklinuxstb: I just noticed - the framebuffer address we're writing to is... in flash?
14:30:23linuxstbWhat address is that? Have you checked the remapping?
14:30:42preglowlinuxstb: it sure would be, but that would also be a waste of codec plugin buffer free space
14:31:00aliask0x80100000. According to the mapping 0x80000000 -> 0x84000000 is flash
14:31:50linuxstbaliask: 0xa0000000-0xa4000000 is the physical address of FLASH?
14:32:12aliaskYes
14:32:38aliaskAlso, this agrees with the fact that recovery.bin has records in it pointing to 0x80000000
14:32:54preglowlinuxstb: but i'm more curious about the non-seektable stuff that gets malloced
14:33:14aliasklinuxstb: Wait, it looks like flash is only 1mb.
14:33:15preglowthe seek table is potentially huge and will need special treatment, but i don't know about the other stuff
14:33:18aliask*2mb
14:33:48linuxstbpreglow: I think the codecdata is just very small, and can probably just be put in the normal metadata struct (which is how I handle the same thing in ASF - it's about 16 bytes or so)
14:34:06aliaskStill doesn't explain why this address writes to the LCD
14:34:19preglowlinuxstb: i might go on a small crusade to remove mallocs altogether, lord knows what i'll do about tremor, though
14:34:49preglowtremor is the only real showstopper
14:35:17linuxstbBTW, regarding your earlier suggestion of metadata plugins, I've been thinking the same recently, but am wondering what effect that would have on database building...
14:35:57preglowlinuxstb: ouch...
14:36:00preglowlinuxstb: very nice point
14:36:40preglowthat wouldn't be a problem with a proper plugin format
14:36:45preglowanother of my pet annoyances
14:36:49preglowof which i will never do nothing
14:36:55linuxstbYou mean relocatable plugins?
14:36:57preglowaye
14:37:19linuxstbBut where would the database put all the metadata parsers?
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14:37:55linuxstbGiven that they're potentially all needed every time Rockbox boots (and the database doesn't know which ones are needed until a full disk rescan is done)
14:38:16preglowlinuxstb: well, at boot time it's simple, load them all into some free space of the buffer
14:38:37linuxstbAnd leave them there forever?
14:38:40preglowscanning while playing stuff is worse, but also doable, but we'd need to implement the "dynamic" buffer_alloc stuff
14:39:18preglowwe could also offload the scanning to a computer :>
14:39:28*linuxstb slaps preglow
14:39:48linuxstbOr just remove the database completely.
14:40:09peturor stick to using the OF
14:40:21peturand only talk about beer here :P
14:40:32linuxstbDo you think we'll still get donations?
14:40:49peturdo they buy us beer at the moment?
14:41:08linuxstbI don't know, I've never attended an official devcon...
14:41:27*petur brought his own last time ;)
14:42:56preglowmy oh my, it actually seems like my one wma file is going to play all the way through!"1
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14:47:44aliasklinuxstb: Using the 9b____ addresses for the USB just make the player have a black screen - even worse than freezing..
14:51:39linuxstbpreglow: Why is that surprising?
14:52:18preglowlinuxstb: because it previously didn't :)
14:52:42preglowlinuxstb: the file has errors, i think, or hit upon some decoder bugs
14:52:53preglowbut after my error recovery stuff it now decodes all the way through, it seems
14:54:20preglowand it does punch out a few funky glitches from time to time
14:54:45preglowi guess we should perhaps reset some state when an error occurs
14:55:29GodEater_a
14:55:35GodEater_scuse me
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15:04:12*XavierGr just pressed the "Buy Now" button for a Gigabeat S (60GB)! :D
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15:06:31mrfreehi all
15:06:41mrfreedoes rockbox shows album covers?
15:06:57Nico_Pyes
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15:08:25mrfreeNico_P, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt this?
15:08:34Nico_Pmrfree: that's it
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15:16:06linuxstbXavierGr: Where did you buy it from?
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15:20:23XavierGrlinuxstb: ebay 150USD
15:22:00XavierGrthere is another one in auction but doesn't have a buy now option (ends on 4 days)
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15:33:48linuxstbXavierGr: Not a bad price - I paid 200USD for a refurbished S60
15:34:17linuxstbIf any UK people are looking for an S, this auction looks promising - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toshiba-Gigabeat-S60-60GB-MP3-PLAYER-IPOD-ZUNE-MES60_W0QQitemZ110200115720QQihZ001QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
15:34:23linuxstb(but the seller only ships to the UK)
15:35:31peturno cradle?
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15:36:01peturhmmm and uk wallcharger probably :(
15:36:08XavierGrgigabeat S has a cradle?
15:36:22peturno idea - the F has iirc
15:36:27XavierGrpetur: S uses the same charger as H300
15:36:34peturah
15:37:44Nico_Pthe S doesn't come with a cradle
15:37:58mrfreerecording feature doesn't seem to work on iPod nano, is there a way to disable it?
15:38:51linuxstbmrfree: It works via the line-in pins hidden in the dock connector - you need a custom cable. To disable it, just remove the "HAVE_RECORDING" line from firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h and compile your own build.
15:39:21Nico_Pwhy is it enabled by default?
15:39:27linuxstbHuh?
15:39:39linuxstbBecause the nano supports recording...
15:39:59Nico_Pyeah but only with a custom cable, how many people have built one?
15:39:59linuxstbOr do you consider a custom cable to be a hardware mod?
15:40:09linuxstbYou can also buy them ready-made.
15:40:20amiconnWouldn't it need just an ipod dock?
15:40:31linuxstbNo, the docks only contain line-out.
15:40:43Zagoris having it enabled somehow causing any inconvenience, other than possible confusion?
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15:41:29mrfreelinuxstb, great news! where I can find schematic?
15:41:37Nico_PI would've thought people who know about the capability are far less than people who don't and wonder why the recording screen is there
15:41:51linuxstbThere's currently a bug which means playback after recording doesn't work, which would be an inconvenience if you accidentally enter record. (fixing is on my to-do list)
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15:43:26linuxstbmrfree: http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector (plus other places if you google) Somewhere that sells them is here - http://home.swipnet.se/ridax/connector.htm (I have no experience of that seller though)
15:43:34ZagorNico_P: yeah but that could easily be handled in the manual. people noticing the capability, reading about how to use it and then thanking rockbox for a new feature are more important than those few who just gets confused and/or annoyed imho
15:44:23Nico_Pprobably, yes
15:44:42mrfreelinuxstb, ok thanks... hey it support stereo recording!
15:48:52amiconnThere's another feature on Nano that Rockbox supports but the OF doesn't :)
15:50:01preglowamiconn: if i start of now, it just stays in dim mode from the bootloader...
15:52:38ZagorI just saw "accepts all music formats" claimed on an ad for Nokia 5310. somehow I doubt it does...
15:53:22linuxstbCountry _and_ Western?
15:53:48Zagor:)
15:54:59mrfreeamiconn, which feature??
15:55:51preglowmrfree: backlight dimming
15:56:28linuxstbDoes the Apple OF have a wake-up alarm?
15:56:56Zagorgosh, it doesn't even support ogg or flac
15:57:36ZagorI wonder if the ad people are ignorant, or simply count on the viewers being so...
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15:58:12linuxstbZagor: Was this advert online?
15:58:21mrfreepreglow, what do you mean?? on the apple fw one can't adjust display light?
15:58:50Zagorlinuxstb: I saw it in a paper magazine, which is downloable as a pdf. so not really, but almost :)
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16:00:22linuxstbmrfree: Correct.
16:01:37mrfreeI never noticed this :) ... ahhhh rockbox simply rocks ;)
16:01:48preglowmrfree: exactly, apple firmware can't, we can
16:02:04preglowmrfree: and don't ask us why they don't, the feature is in hardware
16:03:30Zagorapple has feature fobia
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16:04:01amiconnpreglow: Hmm, what do you mean?
16:04:16preglowamiconn: why apple doesn't do dimming
16:04:41amiconnThe bootloader sets brightness = 1. Rockbox should start with brightness = 1 as well, then switch to your configured brightness
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16:05:31preglowamiconn: i'm talking about retailos, not rockbox
16:05:59amiconnAh, 'of'
16:06:01preglowit seems to ignore dimming completely and just sits around in the dark until it switches its backlight on again
16:06:11amiconnhehe
16:06:13preglowat which point full brightness is back
16:06:50amiconnMaybe the bootloader should swutch to full brightness when booting OF?
16:06:59preglowshould we care= :D
16:07:17amiconnNot really, imho
16:07:21preglowi surely don't
16:07:30preglowdoesn't cost us much to do it, but i just can't be bothered
16:07:39preglowso at least wait until someone comes nagging
16:08:01linuxstbIs the current bootloader good to release?
16:08:29preglowworks for me
16:09:54linuxstbCould be worth finding someone with the troublesome Nano to make sure the IDE0CONFIG changes work in the bootloader. IIRC, they changed how things were configured in the bootloader.
16:10:08preglowyeah, mine always worked
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16:12:18mrfreeI noticed both OF and rockbox that when ipod is connected via usb the light cannot be switched on
16:12:30LloreanjhMikeS: Were you the one who was seeing battery strangeness on the 3G?
16:14:14pixelmaDerPapst also reported it here
16:15:18LloreanAh.
16:15:38LloreanIt looks like something similar happens on the 1G (which is problematic since they can't then shut down)
16:16:10pixelmaspeaking of backlight brightness on Nano - did someone do comparison battery_benches with full brightness vs. a lower level (maybe what they would use)?
16:16:26pixelmathe same question for the Video
16:17:33pixelmaLlorean: I know that amiconn has problems on his 1st/2nd gen Ipods but don't know all the details - jhMikeS and he are investigating I think
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16:21:23linuxstbmrfree: When the ipod is connected via usb, it's not running Rockbox any more...
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16:30:36mrfreelinuxstb, gotcha
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16:48:09mrfreeafter how much time rockbox automatically shutdown?
16:49:58GodEater_mrfree: depends what you have it set to
16:50:49mrfreeyes sorry I'm so excited for my new ipod+rockbox I'm reading the manual :P
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17:03:12pondlifeBagder: So you already had coffee with AMS ;)
17:05:13markunBagder: nice reply from AMS!
17:06:27pondlifeIf only Nvidia and Samsung would be so helpful.
17:06:47markunpondlife: which one from Samsung?
17:06:55pondlifeApple's new stuff
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17:07:15austriancoderAMS is a very friendly company
17:07:18pondlifeA mystery Samsung SoC, last I heard
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17:10:32austriancodermarkun: maybe.. but now the are friendly.. :)
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17:14:57markunwould this be a nice device to port rockbox to? http://cgi.ebay.com/New-ainol-V2000-4G-3-1600w-LTPS-4-3-PMP-MP4-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ320188237640QQihZ011QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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17:15:57preglowall devices are :>
17:17:19markunpreglow: I still don't know if I should accept ADI's offer to give me a Blackfin development board
17:17:53markunif we don't find enough Blackfin powered DAPs it's a bit useless
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17:19:02markunpreglow: so far I've found these: http://130.89.160.166/blackfin-players.txt
17:20:21Lloreanmarkun: The real question is, are more players likely to use Blackfin going forward? How new is it?
17:20:26*Llorean has only really heard you mention it, mostly
17:22:27elinenbemarkun: the better question is why wouldn't you mention it?
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17:22:34elinenbesorry, why wouldn
17:22:38elinenbe't you take it?
17:22:49markunelinenbe: guilt? :)
17:23:23elinenbemarkun: but it could always be useful in the future...
17:23:24markunit costs almost $1000 (well, probably not for them)
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17:26:51peturit's ok, if it mentions beer it's on topic
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17:54:00TheSandmanhello
17:54:10TheSandmani would like some help on installing rockbox
17:54:23TheSandmani have an ipod 5.5G 80GB
17:55:23TheSandmanboth manual installer and utility can't find it
17:56:37PaulJamdoes it appear under "my conputer" as a drive?
17:57:26TheSandmanit does
17:57:35TheSandmanbut the installer says it can't locate it
17:57:51TheSandmanon the other hand i never started it with iTunes
17:58:38TheSandmancould you help me out?
17:59:50TheSandmanbrb
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18:02:52TheSandmani'm back
18:02:56TheSandmanhad to reboot
18:04:13TheSandmanso can anyone please help me out?
18:04:32TheSandmani really can't install bloody iTunes because i'm pre SP 4
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18:04:55krazykitplease have patience. IRC doesn't stand for Instant Reply Chat, you know.
18:05:17TheSandmanokay
18:05:24TheSandmani just wanted to see a reaction or something
18:06:29krazykityou've sort of hit a lull in the day. the aussies are asleep, america is mostly at work, and europe is either at work or just getting home. have you done a search on the forums and mailing list? if not, i recommend doing so
18:08:24pixelmaSP4? I'm off shortly but asking this question because it might help others - what operating system are you on?
18:09:06TheSandmanwin 2000
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18:09:38TheSandmanthe point is
18:09:44TheSandmanthat if i manually install
18:09:58TheSandmanthe ipodpatcher.exe can't find it
18:10:06TheSandmanand if i automatically install
18:10:12TheSandmanagain, it can't be found
18:11:04PaulJamdoes the apple firmware still run fine?
18:11:09TheSandmanno
18:11:20TheSandmani mean the OS on the ipod is okay
18:11:28TheSandmanonly i can't acces it through itunes
18:11:37TheSandmancause i can't install the last version
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18:14:41PaulJamhave you tried if it maybe works in the emergency disk mode?
18:15:12TheSandmanwhat is that?
18:15:26PaulJambtw, you are sure this is a G5.5 ipod? not a classic?
18:15:49TheSandmanwell it's a 80GB ipod
18:15:59TheSandmani assumed it's a G5.5
18:16:30krazykithttp://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Fifth_Generation_.285G.29_.2F_Fifth_Generation_Enhanced_.285.5G.29
18:16:36krazykitis it this one, or the one underneath?
18:17:54TheSandman80GB iPod: This is a 5.5G (Fifth Generation Enhanced) iPod only.
18:17:57TheSandmanthis is it
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18:19:48digger__hi
18:20:36digger__does the sansapatcher tool run on freebsd, too? or do i have to boot linux?
18:20:57PaulJamTheSandman: chapter 2.2. if the manual explains how to enter diskmode manually (but i don't really think it'll make a difference).
18:21:13TheSandmani see..
18:21:20TheSandmanbut what should i do?
18:21:22TheSandmani mean
18:21:32TheSandmando i have to format it with itunes first?
18:21:34TheSandmanor smth??
18:22:11PaulJamyou shouldn't need to reformat (unless it is a hfs formatted ipod)
18:22:15krazykitdigger__, it *might* run via the compat. layer, but you may have to build it yourself for bsd, should you not want to boot linux.
18:22:30linuxstbdigger__: It will run on BSD, but you'll have to compile it yourself.
18:22:49mrfreeafter the first boot I told rockbox to use my existing itunes db now I added mp3s as files I run update database but they aren't listed
18:23:04mrfreecan I use both files and itunes db?
18:23:06digger__thx, i'll give it a try.
18:23:23linuxstbTheSandman: So are you sure you have an ipod 5.5g, not a classic? When did you buy it?
18:23:37TheSandmani just received it from someone
18:23:50TheSandmanand it's surely a 80gb, thus a 5.5G
18:23:52krazykitlinuxstb, i already pointed him at the ipodlinux generation page. he confirmed it was a 5/5.5
18:24:05linuxstbTheSandman: No - 80GB does not imply 5.5g.
18:24:14linuxstbThe Classic comes in 80GB and 160GB models.
18:24:24TheSandmanthen that might be it..
18:24:30PaulJammrfree: it could be that you need to restart after manually updating the database.
18:24:56mrfreePaulJam, ah ok
18:24:57linuxstbTheSandman: That sentence you quoted is just for distinguishing between a 5g and 5.5g.
18:25:21TheSandmanbut still, the rockbox utility is unique
18:25:28TheSandmanshould work for any model
18:25:35TheSandmanright?
18:25:40krazykitTheSandman, for any *supported* model
18:25:50linuxstbTheSandman: What colour is your ipod?
18:25:55TheSandmanblack
18:26:03PaulJammrfree: if you keep the database in RAM and/or enable autoupdate then a reboot isn't required afaik.
18:26:08TheSandmanand metallic silver back
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18:26:33*krazykit thinks TheSandman didn't look at the pictures on the page i sent him.
18:26:39mrfreePaulJam, ok thanks for the info
18:26:42TheSandmani did
18:26:53Slasherireboot is always required unless dircache is enabled or database is loaded to ram
18:27:00linuxstbTheSandman: If you go into the Apple firmware, and go into "Settings" then "About" (I think...) what firmware version does it show?
18:27:20Slasheristill it might be sometimes necessary to reboot if adding large collection of files at once
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18:28:26mrfreenow I put a cover.bmp file in an album dir but the image doesn't appear in wps... I suppose my current theme doesn't support it or what?
18:28:55TheSandmanomg you're right :|
18:28:59TheSandmanit's classic
18:29:00TheSandmansorry :|
18:29:49krazykityou don't have one of the supported devices then.
18:29:57mrfreeI'm using Clix_IriverBlack and it hasn't any %Cl tag in .wps file
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18:31:36TheSandmanoh..
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18:33:11Hammer89this is a question totally unrelated to rockbox... so sry in advance... but does anyone know how to register a nickname w/ freenode?
18:33:58PaulJamlinuxstb: would it be possible/desired that ipodpatcher and rbutil recognize unsupported devices?
18:34:11SlasheriHammer89: /msg nickserv help
18:34:25linuxstbPaulJam: Yes, I've been thinking the same. All I need is someone to send me some ;)
18:34:33mrfreemhhh strange... when I switch from a theme like iriverblack (for example) to the default theme background and icons remains... I think it isn't normal
18:34:55digger__little ot: my sansa e280 came with fw 1.02.18E installed (europe, no fm). what is the latest recommendable fw?
18:35:11linuxstbPaulJam: I agree it would make things easier. We should also see if it's possible to do the same with the v2 Sansas which are now appearing.
18:35:14digger__i need the fw to build sansapatcher anyway, it seems.
18:35:31linuxstbdigger__: No, you need the Rockbox bootloaders. One moment, and I'll give you the links.
18:36:03linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/c200/firmware.mi4 and http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4
18:36:23linuxstb(they have the same names as the original firmwares though...)
18:36:33Hammer89Slasheri: thanks
18:36:37digger__ah, ok, thx!
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18:39:19digger__build successful. however, does it make sense to upgrade the orig fw to 1.03.something?
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18:39:50krazykitdigger__, no, i would leave it. not like you'll be using it that often anyway.
18:40:22digger__alright, sounds reasonable. *g*
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18:43:49digger__it's alive! *bg*
18:44:58digger__painless −− kudos to the rb team!
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18:53:08mordovhello. I have a bug report abaout the Automatic instaler for Ipod nano. can anyone tell me where to put it?
18:54:03krazykitlook on the left of rockbox.org for Bug Reports
18:54:22rasherHoly crap, docs from AMS!
18:55:27rasherNow let's hope this is rewarded with a port
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18:56:42mordovah I have to registre and stuff... the thing is: the installer only works when I have it in ipod mode and not with the rockbox mode. do with it as you wish
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18:57:16krazykitmordov, oh, that's known. there's no USB (other than charging) for iPods and Sansa right now.
18:57:57mordovit works when it's conected and shows normal ipod window, then rockbox updates :)
18:58:43mordovseems like the instaler likes aple btter than it's own creator :D
18:59:53Lloreanmordov: As krazykit said, Rockbox has NO USB mode on iPods right now.
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19:00:03LloreanAnd bug reports belong in the tracker.
19:00:46mordovsorry for spamming then, just thought you would liek the info
19:01:27LloreanIf you think we'd like the info... post a bug report documenting which version of Rockbox you have, and how to reproduce it.
19:02:36LloreanThere's no way to know how many of the dozens of people who can make changes to the code are awake and looking at the screen right now. Meanwhile, bug reports actually stick around, and are useful
19:03:09PaulJamwell, it turned out not to be a bug as it seems.
19:03:10mordovBut I guess it's not a bug report since it's not suposed to work... it's just that it's working for me :)
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19:03:34Lloreanmordov: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode. Whatever you're doing is using the Apple USB mode.
19:04:33LloreanWell, Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on _iPods_ rather
19:04:39mordovwhen I conect the nano I get to different kinds of conect screen. one looks like rockbox and the other is the apple one I guess
19:04:45LloreanNo
19:04:48LloreanThey're two different Apple ones.
19:04:53mordovah ok
19:05:04LloreanI was not lying when I said Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on iPods...
19:06:01LloreanIf you can connect it to the computer and put files on it, you're in the Apple firmware. If there's a big USB plug on your screen, and you're charging, but you can't connect, you're in the "not finished yet" portion that will one day be Rockbox's USB mode
19:06:05mordovso the report is like this then: the autoinstaler works only with one of the iPod modes
19:06:28mordovcause I can move files in both
19:07:04mordovmay it be I have two different ipod botloaders on my ipod?
19:07:16krazykitno. reread what Llorean said.
19:08:16mordovah seff sorry ...
19:09:08mordov guess you got the thing I wanted to report.. and I learned something :) thanks have a nice day
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19:26:25digger__hmm... i'm wondering why the "music" folder is not being displayed in the file browser...?
19:26:47bertrikdigger__: i think the OF hides it
19:26:49scorche|ware you using a sansa?
19:27:02digger__scorche|w: yes.
19:27:15Crash91digger__:
19:27:17scorche|wthen yes...the OF marks that folder as hidden
19:27:20Crash91oops,
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19:27:38digger__so i need to run some kind of msdosfs attrib tool?
19:27:56Crash91digger__: goto WPS, press and hold submenu, then in quickscreen, press play until "All Files" appears
19:28:12Crash91on the bottom of the screen
19:29:07digger__Crash91: works! :) thx.
19:29:13Crash91np :)
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19:30:40digger__now i need to get rid of the included earphones... *shudder*
19:31:08digger__will get my sennheisers back tomorrow. :)
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19:32:47Crash91:)
19:32:58Crash91the bundled earphones are still better than the ipods
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19:34:41gryzorgreetings. is there a rockbox Changelog somewhere on the website ?
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19:35:11bertrikgryzor: there is a wiki that mentions the major changes
19:35:15gryzor(i run r15290 on my sansa e200 and would like to see what's new before upgrading)
19:35:20gryzorah, that should be fine
19:35:50gryzorty
19:35:58bertrikyou could also do a svn log, but that's probably too detailed
19:36:29bertrikthe major changes are at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
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20:35:36amiconnPaulJam: Now I am
20:38:23PaulJamhi, i noticed that if you set a custon value via a .cfg file for the backlight timeout, it seems to only appear in the list if it is below 120 seconds. and i was wondering if this is a limitation or a bug.
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20:41:13amiconnThe table settings use the minimum and maximum list values as global minimum/maximum
20:41:38amiconnThis is by design
20:42:18PaulJamok, thanks.
20:42:47amiconnIn theory we wouldn't need a maximum for the backlight timeout, but the minimum must be enforced
20:43:01amiconnFor other settings of that type, requirements might be different
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20:48:39PaulJamamiconn: but the setting itself worked fine, so setting the timeout to 200 seconds via cfg made the backlight turn off afer 3:20. so there doesn't seem to be a check of the setting itself for min/max.
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21:07:03LloreanNo reserve, ooooh.
21:09:38peturhas rockbox installed - but a very old build...
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21:10:53scorche|w80gig too
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21:45:22KleviFor the sansac200 will sansapatcher.exe always work regardless of firmware?
21:45:43KleviFirmware version*
21:46:04linuxstbIt's always possible Sandisk could radically change things, but I think it's unlikely.
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21:46:31Kleviversion *simplified* 1.4A
21:47:31KleviIts possible then that it can brick my sansa?
21:47:42Kleviby using the patch?
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21:50:01KleviWorked.
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21:50:26KleviSomeone.. forward that to him, I should be back later tonite
21:50:26markunKlevi: lucky you :)
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22:28:28preglowis it just me, or does the backlight animation stop when you're in a list?
22:29:30LloreanAnimation?
22:29:39LloreanLike, the fade?
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22:31:17Schinkenhi there!
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22:31:54preglowLlorean: yeah
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22:32:40SchinkenFrom which game is this skin? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/RockSki.png
22:32:50Schinkeni know this game from my childhood... but can't remember the name
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22:34:28krazykitSchinken, skifree
22:35:00SchinkenTHANKS a lot ;)
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22:41:53fxboh, it's just a skin. thought it was the game.
22:41:58fxbhttp://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27892
22:42:23fxb:) i should probably add colors.
22:43:37*petur briefly mentions http://rockbox.plaxogroups.com for plaxo members....
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22:47:07SchinkenDoes Rockbox still work with my IPOD Docking Station in my Car?
22:48:52peturdepends on what the docking station does I guess
22:49:07peturdoes it offer rmote control?
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22:49:15petur*remote
22:49:24Schinkenno
22:49:28Schinkenonly Line output to my radio
22:49:39peturshould be ok then
22:49:43Schinkenand of course.. charging my ipod ;)
22:50:13Schinkenremote controls doesnt work with rockbox?
22:50:50SchinkenControls on my steering wheel should be cool to control the ipod :D
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22:52:37peturif it uses the serial protocol then it will not work
22:52:47Schinkenhm k
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22:55:10Schinkenpetur is there something like.. font antialiasing?
22:55:18peturno
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22:55:54Schinkenany future plans? ;)
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22:56:34peturno
22:57:01peturunless maybe on those 400MHz arm targets ;)
22:57:28Schinkenat my work i programm on 24mhz controllers... 400mhz is a dream ;)
22:57:36Schinken-m
22:57:50Bagderwell, you probably don't have super-huge color LCDs to fill with stuff ;-)
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22:58:08rayjgu3hello
22:58:10amiconnpetur: Isn't the S 533MHz,?
22:58:16Bagderit is
22:58:21peturhmmm
22:58:22pixelmaI want font antialiasing on my Ondio's display with backdrop! ;P
22:58:29rayjgu3anyone here have a sansa e280
22:58:44rayjgu3cant seem to get rockbox onto it
22:59:03Bagderrayjgu3: is it possibly a v2?
22:59:27SchinkenBagder jeah .. but a 16bit grayscale display with touch! ;)
22:59:43rayjgu3v03.01.11a
22:59:49Bagderrayjgu3: that's v2
23:00
23:00:00rayjgu3what to do?
23:00:11Bagderrayjgu3: it doesn't run rockbox
23:00:17Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html
23:00:21rayjgu3NNNOOOO
23:00:22desowinport rockbox!
23:00:31Bagderstart working on the port!
23:00:38safetydanhrm, more settings that possibly shouldn't wrap
23:00:40amiconnSchinken: 16 bit grayscale?? Do you mean 16 shades perhaps (that'd be 4 bit)
23:00:50Schinkenjeah 4 bit per pixel
23:01:02Schinken16 shades.. sry jeah ;)
23:01:52safetydanLooks like backlight settings might need to not wrap as well.
23:01:55Schinkenis it hard to create my own skin? (the graphics wouldnt be the prob)
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23:02:42Lloreansafetydan: I think the real problem with the backlight setting is people panicking and not just hitting "up" or "down" again when the screen goes black.
23:02:45linuxstbSchinken: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
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23:03:15Schinkenokay thx
23:03:35Schinkenfor a programmer using C wouldnt it be a big prob., right? ;)
23:03:39sup: ]
23:03:44Schinkennormaly programming c ;)
23:04:01BagderSchinken: see the page please
23:04:21safetydanLlorean: true. But it wouldn't hurt to stop that one wrapping.
23:04:59pixelmasafetydan: the scale in the backlight settings is not (off > increasing time > on) but (off > on > increasing time)
23:05:08bertriknice to read the good news about the sansa v2
23:05:36Lloreansafetydan: I'm not so sure. If "Off" is on one of the ends, wrapping means either direction gets you light back. Not wrapping means that there's a 50/50 chance they'll press a button, not get light back, and think they're stuck.
23:06:03Bagderbertrik: yes, getting docs for a target feels like luxury these days!
23:06:15Schinkenno png's? no alpha channel? (except for pink?) :(
23:06:17amiconnI think *all* settings should wrap except volume
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23:07:22safetydanLlorean: you have won me over :)
23:07:41safetydanamiconn: what about eq band gain and precut?
23:07:45Lloreanamiconn: I'm not sure I'd go that far. EQ bands shouldn't, I think, for example. Or any setting that defaults to the "middle". But the vast majority should imho.
23:07:48BagderSchinken: correct
23:08:03BagderSchinken: we rather have long battery life
23:08:03Schinken.. same question again.. any future plans? ;)
23:08:09Schinkenoh okay
23:08:13BigBambiOnly if someone does it
23:08:26BagderSchinken: in general: we don't plan
23:08:33BigBambiSchinken: Keep in mind we have big colour lcds with limited processors
23:08:37Schinkenjeah if it saves battery live
23:08:45amiconnReal alpha would be really slow. Rough estimation: a factor of 10
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23:08:54Schinkenokay
23:08:56pixelmaLlorean: what do you think about the "Julius" build(s)?
23:09:03Schinkenhm is see... makin' skins is quite easy
23:09:06amiconnMaybe on the gigabeast (aka Gigabeat S)
23:10:59Lloreanpixelma: I think that thread needed to be removed a long time ago, and I never got around to it. I'll lock it for now, and move it to trash in a few days
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23:12:19pixelmaLlorean: great, it's way too old and it only seems to cause trouble now
23:12:40LloreanYeah, agreed
23:12:42LloreanIt's locked now
23:14:15pixelmathanks
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23:14:45jhMikeSLlorean: I'm seeing battery strangeness on 3g but I'm not the only one. Problems from 10/16-11/17 were just hangs/aborts. Battery problems started on 11/18.
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23:15:31LloreanjhMikeS: I just wanted to mention that someone in our forums is reporting battery strangeness (reporting "too low" on a nearly full battery) on a 1G, where the constant attempts to shutdown result in an endless loop due to no shutdown
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23:16:42jhMikeSI just the the "battery low" message and it shuts down. I've had the loops but those turned out to be settings related and resetting them stopped it.
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23:17:34markunsafetydan: 12.05.01 <n1s> safetydan: was there a reason you invented a whole new macro instead of steeing the nowrap flag for the settings that shouldn't wrap?
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23:18:23LloreanjhMikeS: The 1G can't shut down, which is why it loops
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23:19:00jhMikeSLlorean: What does "can't shut down" mean? I thought 3g technically never shut down either.
23:19:39LloreanjhMikeS: As far as I know right now the 1G can't even "shut down" as much as the other iPods do. The only solution is to reboot into the apple firmware first, and use its sleep
23:19:48*Llorean doesn't remember hearing that this got fixed, at least
23:21:27jhMikeSSo if rockbox turns off automatically for any reason, the bootloader still tries to boot rockbox again?
23:21:35pixelmaI think it's not, IIRC amiconn said the only solution would be an own suspend to RAM
23:22:05amiconnThe G3 *can* shut down like all other ipods
23:22:12amiconnOnly the G1 and G2 can't
23:22:37LloreanjhMikeS: If I understand correctly, yes, which is frustrating for those experiencing the problem because they're more likely to say "Infinite loop, I should panic" than "Infinite loop, I should turn on hold"
23:22:52jhMikeSI think to reason I got the loops was that the auto shutdown timeout was too short and that's why resetting settings fixed it.
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23:23:15amiconnThe G1/G2 system_shutdown() just resets, that's all we can do atm
23:23:47amiconnAnd yes, you need to enable hold after triggering "shutdown", in order to make it boot the OF, which will then suspend
23:24:05jhMikeSamiconn: btw, swp(b) doesn't seem to be broken at all on pp5002 in fact it seems as good to use it there as for PP5022+
23:24:18amiconnIntersting...
23:24:42jhMikeSwhich is good because that kernel flavor is definitely faster
23:24:44amiconnAny news on the crash issue?
23:25:23safetydanmarkun, n1s, I did answer that. The reason was that the code was repeated often enough that i thought it justified a macro.
23:25:44jhMikeSI know that it coincides with the dualcore commit, but nothing says why it does.
23:25:47markunsafetydan: sorry, didn't see your reply
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23:26:19*Soap is here now if someone wants to discuss the recent RBUtil issues with downloading themes.
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23:29:10jhMikeS11 samples from just before it are fine. The first revision that hanged on 3g is r15140. Some builds that work or don't work seem to make no sense at all.
23:29:49stripwax_So, pretty quiet on the svn front.. Anyone fancy committing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226 or http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218?histring=sliding_puzzle? :-)
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23:30:12linuxstbSoap: Why have you hijacked the theme site?
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23:30:49jhMikeSr15636-r15639 vary in whether they work or not but makes no real sense.
23:30:57Soapredbreva has been going way over his bandwith limit. I wouldn't consider it hijacking - I'm just hosting while a more permanent solution is found.
23:31:00scorche|wlinuxstb: bandwidth
23:31:19scorche|wbah...cgi:irc lag
23:31:22SoapWe /assumed/ the redirect wouldn't cause any issues with RBUtil.
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23:33:00scorche|wi didnt even think of RButil...
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23:33:57jhMikeSamiconn: look at the diff from r15636 to r15638. Why is r15636 ok but not r15638? This is making me insane.
23:34:02Soapwhy can't rbutil handle a redirect?
23:34:03jhMikeSpcmbuf.c
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23:34:43scorche|wdepends how it accesses the tubes
23:34:46linuxstbSoap: I guess the http library doesn't support it - but I guess Domonoky or Bluebrother are the people to talk to...
23:34:59safetydanmarkun: no worries.
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23:35:47safetydanSoap, some HTTP libraries require you to tell them to follow redirects. Maybe that's not been done.
23:35:51Schinkenhm im missing something like "all files" in the filexplorer
23:36:03SchinkenI want to shuffle a Band-Folder with Albums inside
23:36:36scorche|was well, it may just be resolving the name and following the IP
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23:38:30Bagderscorche|w: how else would it do it?
23:38:37webguest15what is the difference between daily build and 2.4 of Rockbox?
23:38:56Bagderwebguest15: just about everything
23:39:16jhMikeSamiconn: This reminds me of the sort of thing that happened on PP5020 where the real issue was a problem in handling something else.
23:39:17Bagder2.4 was a hundred years ago
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23:40:03bobrulesMy rockbox version is 1 week should I update? Any major bug fixes or features?
23:40:08scorche|wBagder: well, i am trying to think of a way to say it properly, but it doesnt really matter anyway..
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23:40:20safetydanSchinken: create a playlist and shuffle that. Rockbox is playlist based.
23:40:21linuxstbwebguest15: Here are some of the changes since 2.4 - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
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23:40:38Schinkensafetydan damn.. so i have to create a playlist first :/?
23:40:39bobrulesthx
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23:41:07safetydanSchinken: yes, but it's not very hard and you don't have to save it anywhere. The manual has more.
23:43:08linuxstbLooking at the rbutilqt source (httpget.c), it seems to have code to handle 302s...
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23:43:51bobrulesif I update my rockbox will my settings be kept the same?
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23:44:27safetydanbobrules: yes
23:44:38VDSGwhat is the diff between revisions?
23:44:42scorche|wbobrules: yes, but you can always save your settings to a file just in case
23:44:43bobrulesthank you
23:44:48bobrulesyeah
23:44:53bobrulesthat's what I was thinking
23:45:02scorche|wVDSG: look at the changelog..
23:45:13scorche|wcommit log, i should say..
23:45:40SchinkenHm.. the menupoint "debug" is more interesting with the notice "Keep Out!"
23:46:18bobrulesyeah I'm scared to enter
23:46:37safetydanwhich is pretty much the point of that warning :)
23:47:10bobrulesthe person who hired JFJ should go too
23:47:18bobrulesoops wrong section
23:47:20*karashata has hopped into the debug menu several times, not too much in there to be afraid of really, but nothing most normal users would care about
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23:47:51amiconnjhMikeS: Hmm, strange. r15638 shouldn't change anything in the binary vs r15636. Did you compare maps?
23:48:13bobrulesif I want to backup my settings, All I do is backup the folder .rockbox right?
23:48:47Schinkenhm.. what was reboot on a ipod video 30gb again?
23:48:54safetydanbobrules: you can back up your settings in the Manage Settings menu on rockbox. The manual will tell you more.
23:48:59SoapMenu+Select is a hard reboot, Schinken
23:49:07jhMikeSamiconn: haven't yet.
23:49:11bobrulesoh I see
23:49:29SchinkenSoap select is.. which? right one? bottom one?
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23:50:11SoapSchinken: center
23:50:21Schinkenhehe thx
23:50:24Schinkenim an idiot
23:50:32bobrulessafetydan .cfg right?
23:50:32Schinkenbut.. i wasnt far away :D
23:50:34Soapright would be FF, left would be REV, bottom would be play/pause
23:50:47*jhMikeS spent enough time yesterday trying 43 different revisions and got tired
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23:51:50Schinkenhm the database is right this what i want.. i think so ;)
23:52:09SoapI gotta pack up and move to the next town. If anyone knows something redbreva or I can do to fix the rbutil issue (for the current install base would be really nice) please PM me on the forums and I'll do what I can in a few hours.
23:53:02safetydanbobrules: sure
23:53:08Schinkenhm rockbox is reaaally nice
23:53:17Schinkenwith my own theme i wont use anything else...
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23:55:47linuxstbSoap, scorche|w: Is the problem that rockbox-themes.org always redirects to the home page on rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org, rather than the same page? e.g. http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=112x64x1 goes to http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/
23:56:36Soapthat sounds very plausable
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23:58:35preglowamiconn: speex is realtime on all profile on ipod 1-3g, yeah?
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