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00:00:39 | roxfan[zzz] | say, is there someone here from eu who can desolder and dump a bga flash chip? |
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00:01:49 | kri | im affraid of asking my stupid questions in here. can you browse in 'folder view' have a lot of VA and i just want to se a tree of folders sorted alphabetical(?). |
00:02:32 | stripwax | kri - depends what you mean by "tree". the "Files" menu is sorted alphabetically |
00:03:25 | kri | i mean, like i open my "/music" folder on my computer. |
00:04:11 | kri | i have a tracklist of 20 gb and its from a lot of albums |
00:04:21 | iamben_ | the "files" view lets you just browse the dir structure |
00:04:38 | kri | thanks. |
00:04:41 | stripwax | kri - if you want to see 'all' your subdirectories at the same time, no, rockbox can't do that |
00:04:59 | kri | tree was the wrong word for it. |
00:05:27 | stripwax | oh. then I'm not sure I know what you mean .. |
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00:06:14 | safetydan | kri: what about the Files view doesn't fit with what you want? |
00:07:53 | kri | ok rockbox folder is marked with a dot that means hidden so i cant find it |
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00:08:06 | kri | now im getting it strait |
00:08:23 | safetydan | kri: you don't want to put your music in the .rockbox folder |
00:08:35 | preglow | PaulJam: yes, you can set the timeout to whatever you like, but i bet there are limitations |
00:08:40 | safetydan | just create a music folder on your player and put your music there |
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00:09:46 | kri | yeah im pretty sure is quite messed up so i will clean the whole thing and remake it. |
00:09:57 | * | stripwax is still a bit lost |
00:10:09 | PaulJam | preglow: thanks |
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00:12:22 | toffe82 | XavierGr: semi faulty ? what was the problem ? |
00:12:39 | scorche|w | roxfan[zzz]: i think LinusN is the one you are looking for, but i dont know what type of machine he has |
00:12:59 | stripwax | I understand there is a non-working ipod 5g serial driver available (serial from the dock, rather than serial-over-usb). Is it non-working in the sense that it doesn't actually work with the 5g hardware at all, or is it just buggy? |
00:13:14 | linuxstb | roxfan[zzz]: Out of curiousity, what device is that flash chip in? |
00:13:23 | roxfan[zzz] | rio karma |
00:13:39 | roxfan[zzz] | the chip looks like i28F320C3B |
00:13:49 | linuxstb | Why would you want to physically remove it? Is there no way to run third-party code on the Karma? |
00:13:59 | roxfan[zzz] | nope |
00:14:03 | roxfan[zzz] | encrypted firmware |
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00:14:27 | stripwax | linuxstb- nobody decrypted it yet as far as I know (same goes for most other Rio devices) |
00:14:43 | * | stripwax remembers taking a look some time ago |
00:14:45 | scorche|w | JdGordon: at lostlogic's now? |
00:15:07 | XavierGr | toffe82: the screen was flickering with some white lines, not always visible |
00:15:16 | roxfan[zzz] | the binary sorta looks like it's xored with a 32-byte key but i got nothing with standard xor attacks |
00:15:23 | XavierGr | toffe82: but for 30 bucks the 30GB HD is still valuable |
00:15:28 | roxfan[zzz] | though i'm not really a crypto guy |
00:15:49 | XavierGr | toffe82: (not to mention that resitting the LCD might just fix the problem) |
00:15:58 | toffe82 | XavierGr: yes, and perhaps a bad contact too |
00:15:59 | linuxstb | stripwax: From what I know, the IPL kernel contains an attempt at a PP502x serial driver, but the IPL devs never got it to work. |
00:17:13 | * | linuxstb is surprised toffe82 wasn't the buyer of that $30 Gigabeat S... |
00:17:32 | toffe82 | :) |
00:18:06 | toffe82 | linuxstb: I think I didn't look on ebay for 2 or 3 weeks now |
00:18:07 | stripwax | linuxstb- interesting. should be possible to get some pointers from the diag mode (I think it tests serial..). I've got some bits to make an ipod dock<->ttl rs232 usb cable and fancy something new to play about with.. |
00:18:51 | linuxstb | stripwax: I think you would make lots of friends if you could get that working... |
00:19:05 | stripwax | woohoo! more friends! :-) |
00:19:48 | linuxstb | ;) |
00:20:55 | kri | hm, can i ask just 1 question not regarding rockbox? |
00:21:07 | roxfan[zzz] | ipod serial? afaik it needs some resistor |
00:21:23 | stripwax | roxfan[zzz] - among other things, yes, it does |
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00:21:27 | JdGordon | scorche|w: yep |
00:21:32 | linuxstb | kri: You already have ;) |
00:21:32 | * | JdGordon dead tired |
00:22:05 | linuxstb | kri: Best to ask in #rockbox-community |
00:22:45 | stripwax | roxfan[zzz] - here http://www.hardwarebook.info/IPod_Dock |
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00:23:29 | stripwax | also ordered the (lame) ipod 5g tv out cable to mess about with too. |
00:24:49 | linuxstb | Does the diagmode test the tv-out? |
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00:25:44 | stripwax | linuxstb - yep |
00:26:20 | stripwax | i'm semi-sorta-secretly wondering if tv-out is enabled by default and we just haven't noticed yet. |
00:26:56 | linuxstb | The TV-Out has a separate framebuffer to the LCD - it won't mirror what's on the LCD. |
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00:27:38 | linuxstb | But I doubt it's enabled, I'm almost certain it isn't on my ipod color (but it's been a long time since I tested) |
00:28:01 | stripwax | oh - that's that scotched then. well, something else to play with anyway, when I get the cable |
00:28:30 | linuxstb | Yes, TV-out would be nice to get working, even though the CPU isn't really up to doing anything interesting at 640x480... |
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00:28:48 | stripwax | although - if we don't know how to control tv out, how do we know it has a separate framebuffer ? |
00:29:10 | linuxstb | Because it doesn't display the same as the main LCD in the Apple firmware |
00:29:42 | stripwax | fair enough! |
00:29:57 | * | stripwax hasn't actually ever tried the Apple firmwaer |
00:30:00 | stripwax | re |
00:30:36 | linuxstb | I just remember reading lots of questions from people asking if it's possible for the Apple menus to be displayed via the TV-out. On the Color/Photo ipod, only photos are seen via the TV-out, not the menus. |
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00:56:59 | Llorean | Is there any reason MoB buffering should be more CPU intensive than the old buffering? |
00:57:03 | preglow | laggy status bar :/ |
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00:59:03 | lostlogic | Llorean: it shouldn't be, it has an additional thread but I don't see why it would eat more cpu time. |
00:59:59 | Llorean | lostlogic: Well, on and off, I've been seeing people reporting more audio dropouts since MoB was added, and some of them claim it's during disk reads. |
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01:00:14 | Llorean | So, maybe not more CPU intensive, but larger periods of time without yielding perhaps? |
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01:01:40 | safetydan | lack of yielding sounds plausible |
01:01:41 | stripwax | I do get audio dropouts on initial buffering after switching on (with resume on startup) |
01:02:12 | stripwax | At one point it dropped out for almost a minute, filling the buffer, but I wasn't able to reproduce that (unfortunately - sounded like a doozy) |
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01:02:41 | stripwax | turning off database auto update and dircache seemed to help, however. Too much disk thrashing, perhaps? |
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01:05:27 | Llorean | Either way, it seems that without changing settings some people are experiencing dropouts now where they wouldn't previously |
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01:09:07 | stripwax | Llorean - according to sim, the same file gets opened repeatedly several times during initial buffering - is that expected? |
01:09:17 | Llorean | No idea |
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01:10:36 | Nico_P | stripwax: yes |
01:11:03 | Nico_P | there might be room for improvement there |
01:11:34 | stripwax | Might it be more disk-intensive (rather than CPU intensive) than befoer |
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01:13:21 | Nico_P | that's quite possible, yes |
01:13:33 | * | Nico_P will have a look, possibly tomorrow |
01:13:46 | stripwax | fwiw, here's an example http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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01:14:34 | stripwax | each .ogg seems to get opened two or three times |
01:14:34 | Nico_P | stripwax: I doubt that's the link you wanted to paste ;) |
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01:14:53 | stripwax | err.. right!! |
01:15:00 | stripwax | http://pastebin.ca/801114 |
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01:17:17 | Nico_P | ATM, files will typically be opened once for metadata loading, once by bufopen (to get the filesize), and once for buffering |
01:17:45 | lostlogic | Llorean: we've futzed with the yield codec, that is it's gone now, that's more likely the cause than MoB |
01:17:46 | Nico_P | maybe dircache could help on getting the filesize |
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01:18:56 | * | stripwax needs his beauty sleep |
01:18:59 | stripwax | good-night |
01:19:01 | * | Nico_P too |
01:19:06 | stripwax | :) |
01:19:08 | Nico_P | stripwax: gnight |
01:19:21 | Llorean | lostlogic: "the yield codec"? |
01:19:31 | DrCrow_ | Can anyone see what i am writing? |
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01:19:40 | preglow | oooh, boards of canada |
01:19:46 | Llorean | DrCrow_: Yes. |
01:19:56 | DrCrow_ | ok, thanks |
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01:23:32 | PaulJam | propably a dumb question, but int is 32 bit in rockbox, right? |
01:23:50 | Nico_P | yes |
01:23:59 | PaulJam | thanks |
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01:30:39 | safetydan | there was one target that had 16 bit int at some point wasn't there? |
01:30:48 | preglow | PaulJam: rockbox types are what you'd expect on most 32 bit computers |
01:30:49 | Llorean | I think the gmini or whatever? |
01:30:57 | preglow | gmini at 16 bit int |
01:31:02 | preglow | at/had/rofl |
01:31:49 | Llorean | Any place you're depending on an int to be 32 bits, shouldn't you be using a type for that purpose rather than just expecting int always to be though? |
01:34:52 | markun | preglow: what about boards of canada? |
01:34:56 | jhMikeS | buffering shouldn't be more CPU intensive. actually it should be doing a better job letting the codec run and irrelevant when the buffer is filled. |
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01:37:58 | preglow | markun: just saw geogaddi in stripwax' pastebin |
01:38:28 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well then perhaps something's going wrong. I've definitely noticed a significant increase in people reporting audio skipping, and several of them have specifically mentioned it happening while buffering |
01:39:34 | jhMikeS | Any report on their setup? I saw no evidence of it being near that even on a 3g ipod which is about as slow a rockbox target as exists. |
01:39:50 | XavierGr | what's the current status of the Gigabeat S port? |
01:40:12 | preglow | XavierGr: going forward, but nothing huge yet |
01:40:22 | preglow | would you people please stop mentioning them? :> |
01:40:32 | FunkyELF | hmm, I've never used rockbox before. I'm running Linux right now but I can dual boot this machine into Windows. Should I go for the automated install or manual install on Linux or on Windows? |
01:40:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: gigabeast, gigabeast. why not pick one up? :) |
01:41:11 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I've seen reports on 2G and Video iPods that I specifically remember |
01:41:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: i think i intend to, when cash comes by |
01:41:37 | FunkyELF | is this true?......Release. |
01:41:37 | FunkyELF | There has not yet been a stable release for the Ipod Video. Until there is a stable release for Ipod Video, use a current build. |
01:41:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: high time i got a new target now anyway, might as well get a cool one |
01:41:43 | XavierGr | preglow: bootable or it still needs very low level drivers? |
01:41:59 | preglow | XavierGr: we're on the bootloader stage yet |
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01:42:10 | Llorean | preglow: I think we might be past the bootloader stage? |
01:42:17 | XavierGr | I wonder if I could help if in the end I get one |
01:42:23 | Llorean | Last I heard they had it loading a rockbox binary, which proceeded to logo and freeze |
01:42:27 | preglow | Llorean: then do correct me |
01:42:32 | preglow | cool, i didn't know that |
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01:42:35 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I'll say there seems to be more CPU activity when not buffering at all. A test I ran showed about 39% boost on a particular file before MoB, and about 43% after. |
01:42:42 | XavierGr | though I don't really know if I have the skills... |
01:42:56 | preglow | FunkyELF: yes, there is no release yet, but what there is is very usable |
01:43:07 | preglow | FunkyELF: we kind of suck at the whole release thing |
01:43:10 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Actually, this most recent one is reporting it with FLAC, which honestly can't really run out of CPU... |
01:43:24 | XavierGr | but if I get one of those beauties it is a damn motive to get my hands dirty :) |
01:43:26 | jhMikeS | preglow: precisely. could do nice DSP plugins on that I think. |
01:43:47 | jhMikeS | Llorean: FLAC? Flac doesn't even cause boost with tone controls on on e200. |
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01:45:12 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yeah, my brain clearly wasn't connecting all the dots. Previous reports had been with MP3 and AAC and other lossy formats |
01:45:44 | FunkyELF | preglow, would you go with the Manual or Auto install and on which OS, Linux or Windows? |
01:45:54 | * | psycho_maniac currently has a Gigabeat F80 ! :D |
01:46:07 | Llorean | jhMikeS: FLAC could just be a bad low watermark, but there's still the issue that I've seen several people reporting that, supposedly without changing anything, audio has become skippy and all the reports have been varying lengths of time after the MoB commit. Doesn't mean it was MoB, just thought that was the most likely candidate. |
01:46:25 | Llorean | FunkyELF: Auto if it works. Manual if auto says it can't find your iPod |
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01:48:21 | jhMikeS | LloreaN: I dunno, FLAC PCM stays pegged at the top with 0% boost. I think about the only lighter to decode format is WAV or AIFF. I think more info is needed about when and how. |
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01:49:06 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Most recent person reporting something: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14058.msg105232;topicseen#msg105232 |
01:49:40 | * | jhMikeS proceeds to try to play FLAC with all DSP effects enabled |
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01:50:24 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Try watching the PCM buffer on flac during rebuffer maybe? |
01:51:49 | jhMikeS | ok about 47% boost with literally everything on. :) |
01:51:57 | FunkyELF | hmm, I'm using the auto installer. When it says to select my device in the filesystem is it /dev/sdc or is it /media/myIpod ? |
01:52:14 | Llorean | FunkyELF: /media/blah |
01:53:33 | FunkyELF | "It seem your Bootloader is already up to date. Do you really want to install it?" |
01:53:45 | jhMikeS | codec way dominates and fills the PCM buffer within a couple seconds when playback is starting (everything still on) |
01:53:48 | FunkyELF | I've never installed rockbox before, is it talking about the ipod bootloader? |
01:54:05 | preglow | FunkyELF: it shouldn't claim that... |
01:54:21 | FunkyELF | preglow, I said cancel |
01:54:26 | FunkyELF | preglow, ignore rather |
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01:54:43 | preglow | there's never any real danger of bricking an ipod, so you could try |
01:54:55 | FunkyELF | Network error. Request aborted. Please check your network and proxy settings |
01:54:55 | preglow | but as far as i know, it shouldn't claim you have an up to date bootloader if you've never installed rockbox |
01:55:02 | * | FunkyELF will try the manual installation method now ;-) |
01:55:45 | jhMikeS | the entire file buffer fills in about 4 seconds with nothing on, PCM approx. 1 |
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02:02:30 | jhMikeS | Llorean: these are dailies being dicussed? 15550 was a swedish .lang update. |
02:02:41 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm sure they're dailies. |
02:02:52 | Llorean | jhMikeS: People in the forums almost always refer to dailies. |
02:03:43 | Llorean | jhMikeS: 15550 is well after MoB though, isn't it? |
02:04:37 | jhMikeS | the yield_codec removal (my variation) was 15724 |
02:05:03 | Llorean | Ah |
02:08:21 | FunkyELF | hmm, i installed rockbox but now I can't seem to get back into the original ipod firmware....i thought that following the directions would give me a "dual boot" installation |
02:09:28 | Llorean | FunkyELF: It does. Are you following the steps in the manual for booting the original firmware? |
02:09:42 | psycho_maniac | when you boot the player when the apple logo turns on switch the hold button on and it will load the Original firmware. |
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02:20:23 | * | jhMikeS begins the revision checkout process to find the pp5002 oddness *yawn* |
02:20:49 | Llorean | See you in a few weeks then. :-P |
02:21:12 | jhMikeS | it's been widdled down to some time around Oct. 16 |
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02:22:06 | jhMikeS | so I'll seach by month, week, then revision for the datestamp. |
02:22:43 | jhMikeS | Last Oct. 1 revision seems good |
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02:23:41 | jhMikeS | how many bloody source files are in rockbox anyway? I haven't done a full co in some time and it's definitely quite a number now. |
02:24:13 | hcs | you just want to count the bloody ones? |
02:24:14 | Llorean | "A lot" |
02:24:51 | jhMikeS | yeah, probably some fancy "find" expression that skips .svn dirs |
02:25:29 | Llorean | Ohloh says 480,500 lines |
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02:25:48 | safetydan | find . -type f maybe? |
02:26:05 | safetydan | hrm, lousy .svn directories |
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02:30:59 | preglow | Llorean: i wonder how many are codecs |
02:32:55 | preglow | a quick find|xargs cat|wc -l suggests about 280k lines |
02:32:56 | jhMikeS | damn, a huge number are bitmaps, more than half |
02:33:01 | FunkyELF | trying to look through these docs....you'd think the quickstart would tell you where to put the music |
02:33:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: those are generated build time, not counted by ohloh |
02:33:47 | jhMikeS | almost half rather |
02:33:51 | safetydan | FunkyELF: you put it where ever you want. Generally people create a music folder in the root (i.e. e:/ or whatever your drive letter is) and put their music there |
02:34:00 | jhMikeS | I haven't built anything in that tree |
02:34:19 | preglow | orly? i thought the bitmap source files were generated from headers |
02:34:37 | preglow | ehh |
02:34:40 | preglow | from bitmaps..... |
02:34:42 | * | preglow needs sleep |
02:35:36 | jhMikeS | c, h, S = 1816 add bitmap and it's 3042 |
02:35:42 | preglow | damn, we're pretty close to being able to just eliminate the malloc buffer |
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02:36:50 | preglow | the only two major annoyances left are vorbis and aac, the rest is contained container handling |
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02:37:25 | jhMikeS | contained containers? so much packaging these days. :) |
02:38:03 | Llorean | preglow: How big is the malloc buffer? |
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02:38:40 | preglow | 512kb, afaik |
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02:39:49 | Llorean | 512k for malloc, and another 512k for codecs? |
02:39:53 | preglow | aac should be easy enough to demallocify |
02:39:56 | preglow | tremor is going to be a bitch |
02:39:58 | preglow | Llorean: yes, afaik |
02:40:42 | hcs | preglow: I tested spc without the tag writing in spc.c, seems like that was the problem |
02:40:51 | preglow | hcs: good, like i expected, then :) |
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02:41:06 | preglow | we should retain the possibility to have a malloc buffer in some way, though, to ease porting codecs |
02:41:10 | preglow | not that we have many left to port... |
02:41:20 | hcs | preglow: I'm going to check over other codecs, and commit that fix |
02:41:35 | preglow | hcs: don't think there are many that do that stuff anymore, but please do |
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02:42:05 | jhMikeS | codecs used to be responsible for all the meta fillin? |
02:42:06 | preglow | nsf.c does |
02:42:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: don't think so, no, just hacks |
02:42:20 | Llorean | preglow: Maybe just a #ifdef NEED_MALLOC or something? |
02:42:27 | Llorean | Get rid of it, but make it easy to bring back? |
02:42:33 | preglow | and nsf doesn't have a metadata parser, that's bad |
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02:43:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: you mean in the core? |
02:43:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: aye, it does have its own, in the codec, but that's nasty |
02:43:55 | preglow | ouch, speex has one |
02:43:56 | jhMikeS | codecs frankly shouldn't need to do any of their own looking anyway |
02:43:58 | hcs | preglow: ok, ok, I'll fix it |
02:44:04 | preglow | i'll fix that, at least |
02:44:24 | hcs | (nsf and spc, as they're my fault) |
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02:44:45 | preglow | hcs: yep, add a parser for nsf in apps/metadata |
02:45:16 | hcs | blah, it's a big nasty thing that has to deal with chunks and potentially read the whole file |
02:46:04 | preglow | lucky you, then :) |
02:46:10 | preglow | but please do try to make it as small as possible |
02:46:19 | * | preglow thinks we might want metadata plugins some day |
02:46:43 | * | Llorean thinks so too |
02:46:45 | jhMikeS | splice them onto the codecs as a separately loadable program |
02:47:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'd love the chance to compile a selection statically, though |
02:47:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: like mp3, etc, which always everyone will want to have |
02:47:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: but stuff like xm loaders should be plugins |
02:47:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: or, again, statically linked, if you happen to like the format |
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02:47:46 | preglow | i wonder how hard that'd be to pull off |
02:48:10 | FunkyELF | so, can anyone tell me what a virgin iPod directory listing looks like?....what are these ._.Trashes ._.VolumeIcon.icns .ColumeIcon.icns .Trashes and .Spotlight-V100 ? |
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02:49:29 | safetydan | FunkyELF: those are all files created by Mac OS X |
02:49:36 | jhMikeS | all you need is a loadable section directory in the header and it be contained in the codec...load the desired file section. I've been pondering this to have a system to allow mpegplayer itself to be larger than the plugin buffer and support multiple formats in a self contained file. |
02:49:42 | RonOverdrive | heya, does anyone know how to sync FLAC files to a rockbox enabled iPod? |
02:49:53 | safetydan | FunkyELF: actually one of them is from a Linux box I think |
02:50:25 | FunkyELF | okay...I'm about to boot into windows and erase all of my music from there to free up some space to make music available to rockbox. I wanted to go back to a virgin install.... |
02:50:28 | safetydan | RonOverdrive: copy it? there's nothing to sync |
02:51:19 | RonOverdrive | it'll play normally if I just copy the files over manually? |
02:51:25 | safetydan | yup |
02:51:58 | FunkyELF | does iTunes have that functionality to wipe it clean and have it "virgin" ? |
02:52:14 | safetydan | FunkyELF: I think a "restore" will do what you want |
02:52:21 | safetydan | but then you'll have to reinstall Rockbox |
02:52:43 | FunkyELF | safetydan, thats fine....it was nothing |
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02:54:24 | preglow | jhMikeS: shouldn't be hard at all, no, nor should allowing #idef based conditional static compilation of them, now that i think about it |
02:56:42 | * | jhMikeS just installed an oct 1 build...no change...then built an oct 1 bootloader...bingo...works fine |
02:57:07 | preglow | i'll leave you to your fun |
02:57:09 | preglow | gnight |
02:57:27 | jhMikeS | later |
02:58:03 | kfazz | how can i disable sansa e200 OF db refresh? OEM Ver.: S301.02.18A-D |
02:58:20 | kfazz | i already updated the bootloader and connected usb to turn it on, it doesn't work |
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03:02:14 | kfazz | bootloader text mentions diasbling it too |
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03:04:43 | rayjgu3 | hello all |
03:05:01 | rayjgu3 | i got me a e280 sansa |
03:05:12 | Mouser_X | rayjgu3: I'm sorry, but there's no "all" here right now. :P |
03:05:25 | rayjgu3 | im running a 64 bit linux |
03:05:35 | rayjgu3 | ok |
03:05:42 | rayjgu3 | hey you |
03:05:54 | rayjgu3 | mouser_X |
03:06:24 | Mouser_X | ? |
03:06:35 | rayjgu3 | im following the directions here |
03:06:38 | rayjgu3 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
03:07:05 | rayjgu3 | under installation |
03:07:12 | jmworx | preglow: speex has one what? |
03:07:38 | rayjgu3 | im clicking on bianary for 64 bit linux but page is not active |
03:08:05 | rayjgu3 | page not found |
03:08:06 | RonOverdrive | did you chmod +x it? |
03:08:17 | rayjgu3 | i cant get file |
03:08:23 | rayjgu3 | to chmod it |
03:08:25 | RonOverdrive | oh that binary |
03:08:56 | rayjgu3 | yeah this one |
03:08:59 | rayjgu3 | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux64amd64/sansapatcher |
03:10:54 | rayjgu3 | i got a laptop with windows but windows dont recognize it properly |
03:11:34 | Mouser_X | rayjgu3: Can you use the 32 bit version? |
03:11:43 | Mouser_X | The Linux 32 bit version, that is? |
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03:11:58 | Mouser_X | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux32x86/ |
03:13:45 | rayjgu3 | ok so i chmod this ? |
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03:14:04 | safetydan | jmworx: preglow was talking about the Rockbox speex.c which has it's own Ogg metadata parser. Nothing to do with libspeex |
03:14:30 | jmworx | ah |
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03:14:46 | Mouser_X | rayjgu3: I have no idea. I don't use Linux. I was wondering if that was useable for you. |
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03:16:28 | rayjgu3 | well further investigating its for a 32 bit |
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03:16:41 | rayjgu3 | the link for the 64 bit is dead |
03:16:54 | rayjgu3 | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ |
03:17:11 | rayjgu3 | click on [DIR] linux64amd64/ |
03:17:13 | Mouser_X | rayjgu3: Indeed it is. That's why I lead you to the 32 bit one, and asked if it worked. |
03:17:26 | mathow | can anyone offer help w/ full-screen album art on toshiba f40? |
03:17:41 | rayjgu3 | yeah |
03:17:43 | * | Mouser_X doesn't use album art. |
03:17:51 | Mouser_X | (I |
03:17:56 | rayjgu3 | ok ill give it a go |
03:17:58 | Mouser_X | 'd rather use the space for music.) |
03:18:14 | rayjgu3 | try to get a 32 bit going |
03:18:17 | rayjgu3 | thanks |
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03:18:40 | mathow | me too but it can only be a few megs... not much lost |
03:18:54 | mathow | tnx anyway... anyone else? |
03:18:55 | Soap | 224KB at the most |
03:19:19 | Soap | 400 albums worth of art = 1 album of music. |
03:19:54 | * | Mouser_X has over 60,000 songs on his Gigabeat... Album art might collect in size quickly... |
03:19:55 | Soap | (at HA recomended lossy bitrates) |
03:19:55 | * | jhMikeS gets scared he's gonna get banished but is willing to repent if it turns out his fault :p |
03:20:17 | Soap | you have 60,000 songs - but they're all chip music aren't they? |
03:20:42 | Mouser_X | About 40,000 or so. |
03:20:56 | Mouser_X | (Quite possibly more, I didn't keep accurate count.) |
03:21:15 | safetydan | mathow: what's the problem? |
03:21:18 | Mouser_X | 32,000 are SIDs. That I know for sure. |
03:21:32 | mathow | right... 167mb of art... anyway =P |
03:21:37 | mathow | OK here it is |
03:22:45 | mathow | I'd love to be able to flick the hold switch and have only album art, nothing else... I tried w/ conditional tags for the hold sw and it will not work... any ideas? |
03:23:04 | safetydan | ah, so it's a wps problem, have you looked through the forums? |
03:23:09 | safetydan | I'm sure this topic has come up before |
03:23:24 | mathow | tried like hell and couldn't find anything useful |
03:23:49 | psycho_maniac | when does LambdaCalculus379 usually come on? |
03:23:49 | mathow | I thought i read something about it the other day but if i did i sure can't find it again |
03:27:15 | mathow | hmm... does this mean nobody can help? =( |
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03:28:09 | safetydan | mathow: http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 one of the ipod themes does what you want, though it seems to require a custom build. Maybe it can be modified for the album art in SVN |
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03:28:31 | safetydan | look for the one called "Hidden Info" |
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03:29:15 | mathow | thanks. I'll see what I can do though anything more than html or a wps is out of my league. appreciate it! |
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03:35:34 | koider | anyone knows where i can get ipodpatcher source code? |
03:36:10 | koider | i've looked in the source archive, tools/ipodpatcher is empty :( |
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03:36:18 | Llorean | koider: Download via SVN then |
03:36:38 | koider | trying to find the url or something on the website... |
03:37:10 | jhMikeS | svn co -r 12345 over an existing checkout will work correctly? |
03:37:41 | Llorean | koider: What URL? Check out the sources using SVN... |
03:37:53 | Llorean | koider: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
03:38:01 | Llorean | jhMikeS: What are you trying to do? |
03:38:13 | jhMikeS | binary search this pp5002 problem |
03:38:16 | koider | running on openbsd |
03:38:23 | Llorean | jhMikeS: svn update -r 12345, I think |
03:38:34 | Llorean | koider: There's no subversion client for openbsd? |
03:39:01 | koider | yup there is, didn't see you were talkin to jhmikes, ignore me ;-) |
03:39:25 | jhMikeS | yeah, but I'm doing it over a checkout without deleting the previous one. seems to have lots of U's and A's and D's so it must be doing something |
03:39:45 | safetydan | jhMikeS: yeah update to revision (i.e. update -r) is what you want, you can even use dates instead of revisions |
03:40:37 | jhMikeS | then I'm doing it right :). I'm picking the last -r on a particular date since and problem on that date would include it. |
03:40:48 | jhMikeS | *that problem |
03:43:55 | jhMikeS | blah, everything's fine up to 15 Nov |
03:44:10 | Soap-Bar | That recent forum post regarding Nano glitching sure sounds like the ATA issue's symptoms |
03:44:59 | Llorean | Soap-Bar: Well, it's still true that we don't know *why* the "fix" works, so its entirely possible we've only half solved it. |
03:45:22 | Llorean | We're back to the pre-80mhz state where only a very few will still experience symptoms, maybe? |
03:45:42 | Soap-Bar | yea - since mine was so easy to make glitch I really need to play with it again. |
03:49:41 | jhMikeS | 11-22 is a bust |
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03:50:31 | funkyelf | hey guys, I just booted into windows and plugged my iPod in. Now it says new hardware detected rockbox media player, but the drive didn't get mapped....any ideas? |
03:51:48 | karashata | funkyelf: the USB stack doesn't fully work yet, at the moment all it does is request full power from the USB port for charging purposes |
03:52:24 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: I admire your patience, I remember how painfull it was to find which revision broke the iriver bootloaders... |
03:53:00 | funkyelf | karashata, it gets mounted under Linux though right? |
03:53:10 | karashata | funkyelf: not that I'm aware of |
03:53:34 | karashata | though I don't use Linux so I can't check myself to prove anything right or wrong |
03:53:37 | funkyelf | karashata, so you need to boot into the original apple firmware to hook it up and transfer files? |
03:53:43 | karashata | yes |
03:53:58 | karashata | until the USB stack is fully incorperated and operational |
03:54:50 | * | funkyelf needs to reboot |
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03:55:47 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: this is indeed painful. I know it within the week now. A few more iterations should get it. |
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03:57:03 | nanok | funkyelf: nope, it doesn't get mounted. no usb mass storage stuck on the rb yet, so no way to mount it (nothing to mount, to be more precise) |
03:57:27 | nanok | funkyelf: but i think it will be just a matter of time. with any luck we'll have it for christmas :) |
03:57:46 | karashata | that would turn out to be a nice christmas gift |
03:57:54 | karashata | working UMS connectivity in Rockbox |
03:58:01 | karashata | no more having to boot the OF |
03:59:15 | funkyelf | sorry, I left and came back....so it doesn't work in Linux either right? |
03:59:30 | Soap-Bar | Working UMS mode on PP targets and PP power issues fixed = the day the devs need to get together and take a finger up photo and mail it to PP. |
03:59:30 | nanok | jhMikeS: i was thinking: is it possible to change the bootloader a bit so you can have multiple instances of rb an load them alternatively as you wish? maybe it would be easyer for you than to keep replacing the rb every time (like backup the music, put all the versions you want on at once, and than reboot the player untill you find the guilty one) |
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04:00:07 | karashata | funkyelf: according to nanok there's nothing to be mounted yet as UMS isn't incorperated into the current USB stack |
04:00:55 | nanok | karashata: funkyelf afaik, there is not difference from this point of view, there just is now working mass storage stack on the player yet |
04:01:37 | nanok | but, if i understood correctly from zagor, at least a limited version even of ums was allready tested and seems to work fine |
04:02:07 | nanok | so, all hope is not lost ;) |
04:02:27 | nanok | (no difference between linux and windows, i mean) |
04:03:18 | jhMikeS | nanok: No doubt it's possible, but is it wanted widely enough to bother or is it even not wanted in general? Rockbox would have to be able to run from different .rockbox directories (which isn't possible now) |
04:03:44 | nanok | Soap-Bar: no idea about the power issues, but ums i think (read: hope) is close |
04:04:47 | psycho_maniac | would the exit button be considered a control on a plugin? |
04:05:22 | nanok | jhMikeS: uhm, okay. it was more like a shot in the dark, admitedly. i only used rb for about a month or two i guess, now, and all i can say is i wouldn't use such a feature, i allways put the current one in, and i never find it lacking compared to the previous one |
04:05:30 | psycho_maniac | in other words. you have a list of controls for the plugin. would you think of seeing exit under that list? |
04:05:37 | nanok | yeah, maybe there are some bugs, but that's not so bad usually |
04:05:53 | jhMikeS | Thought it would be possible to copy trees to the .rockbox directory on startup to hack around the issue :) |
04:06:00 | jhMikeS | *Though |
04:06:04 | rayjgu3 | ok so rbutil says bootloader is installed but it still boots up sansa? |
04:06:12 | nanok | psycho_maniac: if i understand you correctly, yes, i would :) |
04:06:22 | psycho_maniac | thank you nanok |
04:07:02 | karashata | rayjgu3: did you install the actual firmware files? is there a .rockbox directory on your sansa somewhere? |
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04:07:26 | rayjgu3 | yes .rockbox is in root of dir |
04:07:30 | nanok | jhMikeS: it was just a thought to help developers pinpoint issues like you are trying now (traceback would be the correct word). i was thinking about that, if it would be linux i would have mentioned it, but rb internals are too foreign to me |
04:07:46 | nanok | s/that/copying over to .rockbox on boot |
04:07:56 | nanok | hm, rather on shutdown |
04:08:46 | nanok | psycho_maniac: mind you, that is just my user view, i have no idea what the rb "best practice" about this is, if there is one |
04:10:32 | psycho_maniac | i added this to a wiki page because i thought it would be necessary. when you enter a plugin you usually want to know how to exit it. so i added it. |
04:11:52 | nanok | psycho_maniac: in my humble dumb user oppinion, it is a good idea |
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04:20:32 | jhMikeS | nanok: by far most of the time is spent building the revisions anyway. copying is the least of it. |
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04:22:57 | nanok | jhMikeS: uhm, okay. i kind of assumed there was a way to "bulk-build" them |
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04:24:52 | jhMikeS | I'm doing binsearch so which ones I need varies by the results otherwise I might need 1000 ahead of time instead of just a few |
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04:51:18 | FunkyELF | are there any games for iPod Video besides doom? |
04:51:30 | hcs | plenty |
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04:54:01 | FunkyELF | hcs, just not linked to from rockbox.org? |
04:54:12 | safetydan | FunkyELF: have a look at the plugin menu on your ipod |
04:54:16 | safetydan | or even the friendly manual |
04:54:43 | FunkyELF | oh....it comes with it...I thought it'd be a separate download since doom is |
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04:55:41 | safetydan | doom's not a separate download, just the data files it uses are |
04:56:25 | james01 | also pacman |
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05:02:29 | preet | hey all... I just used the arm-elf-objdump command to disassemble a BL.rom file. I used terminal, so I got a bunch of output, I wanted to ask how I can copy the output to a file so I can go through it, because the content gets cut off after awhile in terminal (ie I can't see what was at the beginning of the output) |
05:03:48 | FunkyELF | any resources for creating themes? I just downloaded the simulator. I took a look at some of the theme files....whats with the bitmaps in the icons directory? They all have a pink background? |
05:04:24 | Llorean | FunkyELF: See the CustomWPS wiki page |
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05:05:38 | FunkyELF | Llorean, tried searching for wps, then customwps... |
05:05:47 | * | FunkyELF doesn't know how to use twiki apparently, just mediawiki |
05:06:14 | FunkyELF | nevermind....I used the "go", not the "search' |
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05:10:40 | safetydan | preet: something like arm-elf-objdump BL.rom > dump.txt |
05:10:41 | FunkyELF | Llorean, I'm looking at a Pen&Paper.cfg and it has stuff like "iconset: /.rockbox/icons/penpaper.24x24x16.bmp" but that wiki page doesn't mention anything about iconset |
05:11:12 | Llorean | FunkyELF: The iconset has nothing to do with the While Playing Screen. |
05:11:16 | safetydan | preet: basically redirects stdout of the command to a file |
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05:11:50 | Llorean | FunkyELF: For iconset information, see the CustomIcons page. |
05:14:39 | preet | I figured out my previous question... now, I guess this is really general but how can I start interpreting/understanding the output of arm-elf-objdump -D. There are four columns, with different data. Is there a book/guide somewhere this is covered? |
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05:15:57 | preet | like I'd probably be looking for some sort of guide for the ARM processor? |
05:16:34 | safetydan | preet: not exactly a small topic. |
05:16:49 | safetydan | have you identified which arm processor? are you familiar with arm assembler at all? |
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05:17:55 | preet | I can probably identify the arm processor from the rockbox wiki, It's whatever is inside the Olympus MR-100. I know it's no small task but I'm willing to spend the time and effort reqd in learning... I'm not familiar with arm assembler but I know C/C++. |
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05:27:38 | safetydan | isn't there already work going on to support that? or is the mrobe different? |
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05:27:46 | eigma | mrobe? what what? |
05:27:54 | * | eigma goes to read the logs |
05:29:29 | safetydan | ah, I see the mrobe is the mr:500 |
05:30:34 | eigma | Olympus m:robe 500i == mr500 == the one with the big screen and touch |
05:31:25 | eigma | I believe it's also the one with the HDD (versus flash for the 100) |
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05:32:01 | safetydan | preet: your best bet is look at the existing portal player targets bootloader and try and understand what they're doing. Then compare to your dissasembled code. Are you sure the file you're looking at isn't encrypted though? |
05:32:03 | eigma | erm, rather, I believe the 100 uses flash. I know for sure the 500 has a HDD. :-) |
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05:35:43 | webguest77 | Hi! |
05:35:57 | Mouser_X | !! |
05:36:00 | webguest77 | I have a little problem! |
05:36:03 | eigma | omg zombies |
05:36:40 | webguest77 | I want to change the behavior of the keys in my GIGABEAT F40 as the way is working |
05:38:24 | safetydan | Is there a question? |
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05:39:18 | webguest77 | sorry, some interruption here! |
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05:40:55 | webguest77 | As I was saying I usually put my Gigabeat in a jackets/pants pocket and go through the playlist using the forward/backward button *without* getting it out of the pocket as I don't other people checking it out ... |
05:41:27 | * | Mouser_X *wants* people to see his Gigabeat, in the hopes that they'll get one... |
05:41:50 | Mouser_X | (But not from me. I prefer my Gigabeat to stay in my possession.) |
05:42:11 | safetydan | webguest77: and? |
05:42:30 | preet | I went afk for a little bit. I want to help the port for the MR100 along. Some work (by lowlines) has already been done on it, I think the LCD works, and the part that lacks support right now is the synaptics touch sensitive buttons. I'm pretty sure the file I'm looking at is decrypted, I didn't take it off my device, I got it off a specific site. |
05:43:07 | webguest77 | The problem is that with the change of the behavour of the A button and central button of the navigator, I keep pressing unvoluntarily the central button with change/*messes* completely eith my usually carefully prepared playlist as it show the last folder used and activates one fthe files in the folder... |
05:43:51 | safetydan | webguest77: you'll have to make your own build with the keymap changes you want |
05:44:11 | webguest77 | So i lost my playlist and have to get out the Gigabeat from the pocket and start preparing the playlist again... |
05:45:27 | safetydan | either that, or try setting "Warn on erase of dynamic playlist" on |
05:45:37 | webguest77 | so... is there a way to tell Rockbox to not use at all the central button (short touch), or to use it to pause or something less modifying (like playpause or resturn to the main menu, etc)? |
05:46:18 | webguest77 | Safetydan : Where is that setting? |
05:47:15 | Mouser_X | webguest77: It's not a setting. You'd have to modify the sourcecode to Rockbox, and build/compile your own version. |
05:47:20 | safetydan | webguest77: somewhere in there. Search the manual. |
05:47:42 | safetydan | if that doesn't work, then yes you'll have to modify the source to make your own keymap |
05:47:42 | Mouser_X | Though, I guess it could be considered a setting within the source. |
05:47:54 | webguest77 | Is there a way to use some sort of .CFG to change this or an option within the settings? |
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05:48:26 | safetydan | webguest77: the warning on playlist erase is a setting you can change through the settings menu. |
05:48:47 | safetydan | The actual behaviour of the buttons you'll have to change in the source code of Rockbox and make your own build. |
05:48:52 | webguest77 | I think is more straightforward for anyone who want to change the keymap not to compile private version, or am I wrong? |
05:49:16 | safetydan | no, there's no easier way to do it |
05:51:00 | webguest77 | Perhaps can it be considered for a future build? as I don't think I'm alone with this, with many people having similar situations ...? |
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05:52:35 | safetydan | custom keymaps are not likely to ever be supported |
05:52:41 | webguest77 | For now, I'll check the settings for the 'Warn before playlist erase' although I think is possible that I also unvoluntarily press the central button which would confirm the warning, but I'll try it out |
05:52:56 | webguest77 | Thanks SafetDan and MouserX |
05:53:32 | webguest77 | See you! |
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05:58:13 | preet | Hey... I'm sorry to keep bugging you. SafetyDan, I think your suggestion about following another portalplayer target is great, but where can I find something like this? Archived forum posts? The portalplayer chip the MR100 uses is the same one in the iPod mini, which I think rockbox supports... I just want some direction. |
05:58:56 | safetydan | preet: have you checked out the rockbox source code? |
05:59:30 | preet | nope... ' |
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06:01:19 | safetydan | then you should start by doing that and looking it over |
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06:18:38 | FunkyELF | who was saying before that you had to go into the original firmware to mount the ipod? I'm in Linux right now and its mounted |
06:22:10 | Llorean | FunkyELF: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on iPods |
06:22:14 | Llorean | You're in the original firmware |
06:22:38 | Llorean | Is there a bit circle with a line diagonally through it in the middle of the screen, and the words "Do not disconnect" on your iPod? |
06:26:13 | psycho_maniac | who was saying that FunkyELF? everybody |
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06:30:15 | FunkyELF | it was saying do not dissconnect but it was't apple's usual logo saying it |
06:31:08 | Chronon | It's code that is stored in flash ROM rather than in the main firmware. |
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06:31:31 | Chronon | That's definitely Apple's code that's running. |
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06:33:09 | FunkyELF | whoseever code it is you don't have to manually boot into it, it happens automatically |
06:33:36 | psycho_maniac | this has been known |
06:34:00 | FunkyELF | not to me ;-) |
06:34:05 | FunkyELF | anyhoo....I'm going to bed |
06:34:24 | FunkyELF | I just told my brother to go ahead and trade his ipod with his buddy |
06:34:46 | FunkyELF | he'll be trading an 80Gb classic for an 80Gb video iPod just so he doesn't have to use iTunes |
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06:35:15 | psycho_maniac | great deal. |
06:36:13 | FunkyELF | I've been using inkscape a lot now for graphics and I think I'll try to make a theme this weekend or something |
06:38:34 | * | Mouser_X needs to stop being lazy, and make a theme... |
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06:40:43 | psycho_maniac | with the keyclick patch is there a setting in the menu to turn this on? |
06:40:57 | psycho_maniac | i found it |
06:41:54 | psycho_maniac | ok the keyclick pattch is very helpful on the gigabeats |
06:43:03 | Mouser_X | Because it gives you feedback when you push the "buttons?" |
06:43:27 | psycho_maniac | yes |
06:43:39 | psycho_maniac | when you press up,down.left, and right |
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06:43:57 | Llorean | I've never felt I needed feedback for those, but I think I'm the only person who feels that way |
06:44:20 | Llorean | Laying my fingers on them lightly gets no response, pushing does, and I've gotten used to just how much pressure I need to feel on my thumb/finger to know I'm pushing |
06:44:45 | Joanna | hey |
06:44:47 | psycho_maniac | im starting to get used to the cross. im used to the scroll pad with the ipods. |
06:45:46 | psycho_maniac | i just got the patch to test it. |
06:45:51 | Mouser_X | Llorean: You're not the *only* one. I'm fine with my Gigabeat the way it is. If the keyclick were in SVN would I use it? Only if it was on by default, since I'd be too lazy to turn it on otherwise (and probably to lazy to turn it off). |
06:46:03 | Joanna | question. I downloaded the rockbox installer and installed the bootlander + rockbox etc.. now how do I get files and music on there also? |
06:46:21 | Joanna | im using the nano version btw |
06:46:22 | Llorean | Joanna: Just copy them over, using whatever method you want |
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06:46:26 | psycho_maniac | to get music on your player. just drag and drop |
06:46:38 | Joanna | wow I can do that? |
06:46:39 | Joanna | sweet |
06:46:41 | Joanna | thanks :D |
06:46:55 | Mouser_X | Indeed you can. It's one of the main reasons I use Rockbox. |
06:47:25 | Mouser_X | (A directory structure makes *far* more sense than the gobbdly-gook that other players use. At least, for the music I have...) |
06:47:58 | Joanna | wooohoo! |
06:48:00 | psycho_maniac | after awhile i just turned the keyclick feature off. so i think im with you Llorean and Mouser_X |
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06:49:30 | Joanna | so in the rockbox folder in my ipod, I can delete and make new folders as much as i want? =o |
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06:49:51 | Mouser_X | Joanna: Don't use the Rockbox folder. |
06:50:12 | Joanna | then |
06:50:17 | Mouser_X | The .rockbox folder is for the Rockbox firmware. You *can* put stuff in it, but it's not recommended. |
06:50:24 | Joanna | oh. |
06:50:31 | Mouser_X | Just make a new folder on the root called "My Music" or something. |
06:50:37 | Joanna | kk |
06:50:38 | Mouser_X | And put everything in there. |
06:50:45 | Joanna | thanks |
06:51:28 | Mouser_X | Glad to help. Personally, I have a "Music" folder, a "Books" folder, a "ROMs" folder (for Rockboy), and a "Videos" folder. |
06:53:24 | Joanna | you can just drag and drop roms? |
06:53:36 | Joanna | 0.o |
06:54:36 | scorche | Joanna: just think of your ipod as an external hard drive... |
06:54:42 | Joanna | yeah |
06:54:43 | Mouser_X | Pretty much. |
06:54:44 | Joanna | but |
06:54:50 | Joanna | you can play the roms |
06:54:52 | Joanna | just like that |
06:55:05 | Mouser_X | Joanna: The enter key is not the spacebar. And yes, you can. |
06:55:15 | Joanna | wow.... |
06:55:29 | Joanna | I am thouroughly impressed |
06:55:32 | Joanna | wow |
06:55:33 | Joanna | YAY! |
06:56:38 | Llorean | Joanna: Please, try to type in full sentences, and don't just fill the channel with short lines. The IrcGuidelines mentioned in the topic are expected to be followed, as this channel is logged. |
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07:00:05 | psycho_maniac | Llorean: you scared him away |
07:01:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Everything okay up to Nov 15? That's in fact weird.... |
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07:02:09 | amiconn | Did you replace both bootloader and build each time? And are you doing a full rebuild after checking out a new revision? |
07:02:10 | Joanna | hey |
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07:10:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not that I can determine for sure. this is really bad |
07:10:57 | amiconn | Yeah, the problem is that a binsearch won't work reliably because not all builds will show the problem |
07:11:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I only do a rebuild of x if the change could possible affect x. Doing that if pacbox changes is obviously not needed. |
07:12:47 | amiconn | If you don't find anything, I'll probably do a walk through r14000...r15800 in steps of 10 |
07:12:56 | amiconn | That'd make 180 builds to try :/ |
07:13:08 | jhMikeS | that batt low-problem seems to have come in during the 18th. I haven't seen in on any revision from the before that. |
07:13:08 | Mouser_X | Ouch. |
07:13:27 | amiconn | Whic 18th? |
07:13:30 | amiconn | *Which |
07:14:13 | jhMikeS | I didn't check that far. I'm trying to sample enough builds from any date since the probability of a crashing one appears to be around 50% |
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07:14:52 | psycho_maniac | glad i dont have my headphones fully on for the keyclick patch on the ipods very long beeeeeeeeeeeeeep :( |
07:16:11 | jhMikeS | 18th of Nov since I think that's what you meant |
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07:25:56 | Joanna | hey does rockbox support flv files? |
07:26:00 | krazykit | no |
07:26:10 | Joanna | ohh ok |
07:26:12 | Joanna | thanks |
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07:43:44 | Joanna | hey |
07:43:54 | Joanna | I keep having these weird problems with rockbox |
07:44:17 | Joanna | my ipod would automatically disconnect and my comp would freeze up |
07:44:26 | Joanna | randomly |
07:44:40 | Joanna | and sometimes my ipod wont turn on unless i plug it into the comp |
07:44:50 | Joanna | would it be because of the new firmware? |
07:45:05 | Joanna | 1.3 |
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07:54:36 | Joanna | hey anyone? |
07:55:02 | psycho_maniac | the enter button is not a space bar you have been warned already |
07:55:59 | Joanna | oh. sorry |
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07:58:37 | Joanna | k well quick question then, does the new ipod firmware 1.3 mess up rockbox in any way? because its acting very strangly right now |
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08:10:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: think I cut the search parameters. r15142 (10/16) crashes. interestingly, it happens later than more recent SVN. |
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08:20:57 | * | Bagder got a pdf |
08:21:25 | Bagder | from Austria |
08:21:36 | scorche | did you mail them? |
08:21:41 | Bagder | yeps |
08:22:16 | scorche | did this pdf come in an NDA? |
08:22:22 | scorche | s/in/with |
08:22:51 | Bagder | nope |
08:23:26 | scorche | is it as good as one that would? |
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08:23:53 | * | scorche ends the guessing game |
08:24:01 | Bagder | it is the 192 page AS3525 data sheet |
08:24:11 | Llorean | Just like that? Wow. |
08:24:17 | scorche | free of NDAs? |
08:24:20 | scorche | wow indeed |
08:24:24 | Bagder | "I see your initiative increasingly successful and I just read a good |
08:24:30 | Bagder | review on PC Magazine. My compliments, an outstanding job!" |
08:24:44 | * | scorche thinks he likes AMS |
08:24:48 | Bagder | pdf AND compliments ;-) |
08:24:55 | Llorean | First TI releases a compiler. Then a datasheet. Then an email gets responded to with another previously unfound-elsewhere datasheet. |
08:25:02 | scorche | a glimmer of light in a sea of darkness.. |
08:25:19 | Llorean | I'm wondering where I am, and how I got here. |
08:25:36 | GodEater_ | I'm just wondering where Bagder will publish said data sheet :) |
08:26:32 | Bagder | I'll treat it like the other AMS data sheet, it is not for public hosting |
08:26:33 | GodEater_ | <Matrix mode>Llorean: Welcome....to the real world</Matrix mode> |
08:27:05 | GodEater_ | oh - so they didn't make you sign an NDA, but still asked you nicely to keep it private ? |
08:27:19 | Llorean | Bagder: Probably wise, as long as we don't have explicit permission to post it. |
08:27:41 | scorche | GodEater: i see it more of a bit of respect, not posting it publicly |
08:27:43 | Bagder | not exactly, but in my mail I mention our previous good cooperation with the AS3514 data sheet and how we have kept our end of the deal |
08:27:45 | GodEater_ | yeah I guess so |
08:28:16 | Bagder | it is marked "confidential" |
08:28:27 | scorche | well, that settles it |
08:28:28 | GodEater_ | fair enough then |
08:29:46 | * | GodEater_ laughs at an email he sees from his project manager going to some users apologising for "the incontinence". Way to go spell checker :) |
08:30:13 | Bagder | *g* |
08:30:29 | GodEater_ | I had to email her back and ask if she was unwell... |
08:31:43 | scorche | GodEater: the template (blank document they fill in for service requests) they use at work says "Requestor" multiple times on it...it drives me mad |
08:32:53 | GodEater_ | make them change it ? :) |
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08:36:01 | * | GodEater_ sees zajacattack still doesn't seem to get it |
08:36:41 | Llorean | I really, really hate issuing ultimatums like that. |
08:37:35 | GodEater_ | I didn't get to join in the original discussion - but he really just seemed to want to shout at people |
08:37:36 | Llorean | That's really only maybe the second or third time I've had to say "Look, I'm in charge here, this is the way it's going to be" rather than simply enforcing pre-written rules. |
08:38:21 | GodEater_ | maybe someone should have pointed out that the "helper" people he's talking about ARE the rockbox experts - and they've all been brought up from "the ranks" of normal forum users |
08:38:38 | GodEater_ | there's not this little clique going that he thinks there is |
08:38:39 | scorche | GodEater_: well, i did, but i deleted my post |
08:38:52 | GodEater_ | wuss ;) |
08:38:55 | Llorean | GodEater_: He either wouldn't have believed it ("you just picked your friends / conspirators / whatever") or he would've said that they've all become corrupt already |
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08:39:13 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I guess. There's none so blind as won't see etc. etc. |
08:39:19 | Llorean | There's no doubt in my mind that he wasn't thinking clearly. |
08:39:37 | Llorean | He found flaw in Chronon asking for more information, or the fact that we couldn't answer questions completely unrelated to Rockbox. |
08:39:37 | * | GodEater_ likes the idea that there's a "Rockbox conspiracy" :) |
08:39:58 | GodEater_ | indeed |
08:41:13 | Llorean | Clearly our primary goal is to keep the inner working secret, and keep good intentioned contributors down! |
08:41:28 | GodEater_ | yep |
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08:41:52 | jhMikeS | Conspiracy theories about you are a sign that you're important. :) |
08:42:00 | Bagder | yay! |
08:42:04 | GodEater_ | hehe |
08:42:09 | * | scorche places the tinfoil hats out of reach |
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08:43:05 | GodEater_ | I'd like to congratulate all those who managed to refrain from telling zajacattack that the reason we deleted all his posts is because he is clearly as dumb as a tree stump. |
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09:02:53 | GodEater_ | http://www.mishare.com/index.html <−− interesting :) |
09:03:19 | GodEater_ | wonder (if)/how it copes with DRM'd tracks |
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09:10:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I am puzzled comparing your r15139 commit and the irc log of Oct 16 |
09:11:51 | amiconn | I tested and it started working again - but that section in thread.h could not have been the problem, because SW_CORELOCK wasn't defined for PP5002 until you enabled dualcore for PP5002 recently |
09:12:40 | amiconn | (note that there is a 2 hour difference between the irc log (it's CEST == GMT+2) and http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html (that's GMT) |
09:13:58 | jhMikeS | r15139 works |
09:14:26 | amiconn | So to me it looks like the new scheduler commit was when the problem started, and since then has always been there. I know that it doesn't affect all builds |
09:14:41 | * | LinusN lost his powerhour source code :-( |
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09:15:08 | jhMikeS | I'm going back down to r15133 that and 10 before it show no ills |
09:15:09 | amiconn | But why PP5002 only? Maybe some data is cached which shouldn't? |
09:15:09 | * | Bagder tears his hair. no powerhour! |
09:16:03 | amiconn | Do we cache iram by accident? Is that at all possible? |
09:16:10 | jhMikeS | amiconn: shouldn't matter since having the COP never run makes no difference |
09:16:27 | jhMikeS | no, the controller should never cache addresses above 0x3fffffff |
09:16:44 | GodEater_ | wth is power hour anyway ? |
09:17:21 | Bagder | GodEater: a weird (beer) drinking game thing |
09:17:44 | * | petur is not triggered |
09:18:00 | Bagder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour |
09:18:50 | Bagder | "Several alcohol poisoning deaths related to this activity have lead to legislation in Minnesota, North Dakota and Texas" |
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09:19:46 | GodEater_ | ah |
09:20:02 | GodEater_ | so a RB plugin for this would switch the tune being played every 1 minute |
09:20:39 | GodEater_ | <5 pints in an hour has caused alcoholic poisoning ? |
09:20:46 | GodEater_ | what the hell is in the beer they use there ? |
09:24:54 | LinusN | well, meybe they drank a pint every minute? :-) |
09:25:00 | * | LinusN can't spell today |
09:25:46 | petur | too many drinks? :P |
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09:27:33 | jhMikeS | the first build that has a problem that changes the core is r15140 |
09:28:04 | jhMikeS | r15134/5 are sim only updates |
09:28:42 | jhMikeS | 11 samples from r15092 to r15133 are ok |
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09:31:38 | LinusN | petur: i had a hard time when testing that plugin |
09:32:05 | * | petur thought it was a joke... |
09:32:07 | jhMikeS | hehe, if I type in r15140 from trunks/firmware, I get an exception and Python Traceback |
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09:37:25 | LinusN | "Vomiting or abandonment of the goal usually result in elimination. In some cases the re-drinking of vomited liquid is acceptable behavior to stay in the running." :-) |
09:38:14 | jhMikeS | that's just nasty |
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09:38:34 | LinusN | haha |
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09:40:23 | * | GodEater_ has played a game with similar rules, but it's called "pub golf" |
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09:44:01 | * | GodEater_ is surprised to see no mention of it on wikipedia |
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09:58:42 | markun | GodEater_: does it involve a pingpong ball and beerbottles (for the goals)? |
09:59:15 | GodEater_ | not quite no |
09:59:49 | markun | yet another nice game then :) |
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10:00:09 | markun | (this one is called "balletje balletje" in dutch :) |
10:00:18 | GodEater_ | it involves a "golf course" consisting of a number of pubs. Each pub or "hole" has a par (number of drinks to be consumed whilst there) and a time limit in which to consume them. |
10:00:44 | GodEater_ | the game is played in pairs - a "pro" and an "amateur". The pro has to drink pints, the amateur has to drink shorts with mixers. |
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10:01:24 | markun | before people start complainging: I think beer is very on topic for rockbox :) |
10:01:31 | GodEater_ | any visit to the toilet during a hole is counted as having removed one from your score for that hole (so you need to drink an extra drink). Similar rules for vomiting, except each heave counts as one off your score. |
10:01:54 | markun | What a rediculous game :) |
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10:02:08 | * | jhMikeS find out swp(b) may be fine on PP5002 afterall which is a darn good thing for it |
10:02:08 | GodEater_ | any unconsumed drinks still in your hand when the time limit for the hole is reached must be poured over your own head... |
10:02:16 | GodEater_ | um - that's about all I remember :) |
10:02:26 | aliask | There's a very similar variant that we play in Australia, where the number of sips it takes to finish a pint is equivelant to the number of swings. |
10:02:51 | aliask | Skulling the pint is a hole in one. |
10:03:13 | GodEater_ | I feel ill just thinking about it :) |
10:04:13 | GodEater_ | the one and only time I played it, my partner (he was the pro in our pair) managed a "tactical" vomit outside the third pub (by which time I think he'd consumed 9 pints), where he managed to let the whole lot go outside the pub in one go. |
10:04:16 | GodEater_ | so we only lost one point. |
10:04:35 | safetydan | hrm, anyone agree that most sound related settings should wrap? |
10:04:57 | * | safetydan reads up |
10:05:03 | markun | safetydan: like volume? |
10:05:06 | * | safetydan wonders if he's wandered in to the wrong channel? |
10:05:24 | petur | or in the wrong pub? |
10:05:33 | safetydan | markun, volume is already taken care of, I'm thinking of things like the equalizer settings which isn't strictly a SOUND_SETTING in the macro sense |
10:06:02 | petur | bass and treble already wrap too, no? |
10:06:03 | jhMikeS | safetydan: if they wrap in a similar way to lists (only if not repeating), I wouldn't mind |
10:06:19 | markun | safetydan: why should they wrap? Do you have an example of settings which should? |
10:06:24 | petur | and volume should never wrap imho |
10:06:43 | jhMikeS | Of course going mistakenly from -74db to +6 would be bad |
10:07:00 | markun | I'd rather prefer the colour picker to wrap for example |
10:07:01 | Shaid | I've done that. |
10:07:06 | Shaid | it uh, wasn't fun. |
10:07:13 | safetydan | markun, woops, *shouldn't* wrap is what I meant to write |
10:07:17 | pixelma | safetydan: just read the logs - there is also work done for porting Rockbox to the mrobe100, mostly by low_light. Pitily he didn't commit his stuff yet. The best place of information is the new ports forum thread IIRC |
10:07:35 | jhMikeS | low_light = port machine? |
10:07:37 | safetydan | pixelma, ah yeah, I forgot about the new ports forum |
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10:08:08 | markun | safetydan: well, in that case I agree that they shouldn't wrap :) |
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10:08:56 | jhMikeS | yeah, maybe they shouldn't...too may awful suprises for your ears |
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10:09:13 | safetydan | precut for example wraps |
10:09:46 | safetydan | which would be bad since that's still a 24 dB change in volume |
10:11:28 | Zagor | does anyone know the difference between "wide mode" and "word wrap" in the text viewer plugin? |
10:12:27 | jhMikeS | wide mode = no wrap? :p |
10:12:48 | jhMikeS | I mean it's wider if it doesn't wrap, right? |
10:12:53 | * | safetydan adds yet another macro to the settings code |
10:13:26 | * | linuxstb_ points Zagor to the manual ;) |
10:13:26 | Zagor | jhMikeS: but they are two different options. I can't see the difference between them. |
10:13:35 | Zagor | linuxstb_: haha, good idea :) |
10:13:37 | safetydan | hrm, should the crossfeed gain settings wrap? I'm not sure how dangerous that is to your ears if it wraps. |
10:14:52 | markun | Zagor: with word wrap on the words are cut off only at spaces I think |
10:14:52 | linuxstb_ | safetydan: No, IMO no gain settings should wrap. |
10:15:10 | safetydan | right, that's easy then |
10:15:28 | * | linuxstb_ reads the manual and is quite impressed at the huge number of text viewer settings... |
10:15:43 | Zagor | after reading the manual I still don't get it... maybe it's obvious on larger displays than the c200 |
10:16:42 | markun | Zagor: maybe the settings could be combined: "wide, narrow (normal wrap), narrow (cut off)" or something |
10:17:38 | pixelma | linuxstb_: and that even though the manual is quite outdated there? (e.g. it's missing the "encoding" settings and how to enter the settings and it's wrong in saying that settings won't be stored etc...) ;\ |
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10:18:53 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: I almost never use the text viewer, so didn't notice... |
10:19:06 | markun | What do you guys think of changing the behaviour of the left and right buttons in the viewer? |
10:19:38 | pixelma | we'll probably need a manual-update-week... |
10:19:47 | Zagor | I think all buttons other than up/down are confusing in the viewer, so it can't get any worse :) |
10:19:50 | markun | PaulJam (I think) suggested: left/right could page up/down |
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10:21:11 | markun | hitting right by accident and jumping to the end of the file can be very frustrating |
10:21:38 | markun | if you are crazy enough to be reading a book on a Gigabeat for example :) |
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10:31:30 | leftright | I read txt books on my H140 often, and its very frustrating to have the left/right keys assigned to End/Start of txt book, most frustrating because there is no way of finding ones place quickly again |
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10:36:18 | markun | leftright: yes, let's change it |
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10:39:30 | leftright | if I had to change code nothing would work, :-) |
10:40:50 | leftright | thanks for looking into it. |
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10:57:19 | safetydan | I'm surprised no one seems to have complained about the iPod Video hardware equalizer settings going away. |
10:58:56 | pondlife | It tends to take a week or 2 after a commit before the complaints flood in. |
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11:03:35 | Bagder | two fiiiine weeks ;-) |
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11:07:25 | pondlife | In 2 weeks you can easily skip the country. |
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11:17:00 | LinusN | perhaps this is old news, but the ipod video OF finds out if it has 64MB memory by checking if the memory is aliased at > 32MB |
11:18:49 | amiconn | I don't think that checking the amount of RAM is a problem |
11:18:55 | amiconn | Our memory layout is |
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11:20:24 | LinusN | amiconn: i know |
11:21:02 | LinusN | i just found the 32/64MB check in the OF ROM, so i thought i should chare the info |
11:21:08 | LinusN | share even |
11:23:17 | aliask | I wish I could work out what this function is... stupid assembly. |
11:24:55 | aliask | It's called by something like 10-15 other subroutines, so it might help fill in a bit of the picture. At least IDA is better than objdump :P |
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11:37:16 | preglow | safetydan: i don't think any volume related options should wrap |
11:37:33 | preglow | Bagder: 250 pages? sounds a bit thin for a soc |
11:37:40 | safetydan | preglow, well good, because now they shouldn't :) |
11:38:31 | nanok | hm, is charging on the sansa e200 really working? |
11:38:50 | nanok | i have tryed it several times now, and with the same result: nope :( |
11:39:37 | Zagor | nanok: windows, linux or separate charger? |
11:41:01 | linuxstb | LinusN: I've been thinking about adding a 32MB/64MB check to the start of the 64MB Rockbox build - so it can tell the user that he/she has installed the wrong build. Although we don't seem to get many problems with that any more... |
11:41:51 | nanok | Zagor: linux |
11:42:01 | preglow | what about implementing the plugin and codec relocation stuff so we can use the same build for both? |
11:42:15 | Zagor | nanok: is the battery animation running? |
11:42:15 | preglow | that would be neater :> |
11:42:20 | nanok | Zagor: separate charger i don't have yet, but i guess that should work regardless of the usb code (the new one or the old one)? |
11:42:44 | nanok | well, it says charging, the level goes up to 100% very quick.. |
11:43:28 | nanok | after a while, after a few hours, i dissconnect it and after a reboot or a short while of usage, the level drops to around what it was before charging |
11:43:37 | Zagor | nanok: leave it in a couple of minutes, then look at debug->view battery |
11:43:40 | nanok | (like, in this particular case now, about 60%) |
11:44:10 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, i have the same problem with the newer builds |
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11:45:08 | Zagor | advcomp2019: are you running windows or linux? |
11:45:20 | Zagor | ...or separate charger? |
11:45:40 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, tried both but do not have a separate charger |
11:46:05 | Zagor | testing with a separate will help determining if it's a usb power issue or a charging issue |
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11:46:13 | pixelma | I also don't trust in charging yet because of what it's shown in the status bar (going up to 100% real quick) haven't checked battery status so far though |
11:46:35 | pixelma | *is |
11:46:41 | Zagor | lunch |
11:46:44 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, i have tried both vista and xp |
11:51:17 | nanok | Zagor: seems to me like it's reading from the wrong place somehow (the voltage) |
11:51:53 | nanok | even in debug, right now i have 4.6xx V displayed (it varies quickly, but around there) |
11:54:11 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, one thing i know is r15801 does charge the battery fine |
11:54:58 | barrywardell | Zagor: why does the USB_CHARGING_ONLY still have bulk endpoints? |
11:57:07 | barrywardell | also, shouldn't ep1_fs_in_descriptor and ep1_fs_out_descriptor have a wMaxPacketSize of 512? |
11:58:55 | nanok | hm, the voltage "average" does seem to sllowly rise.. |
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12:00:52 | pixelma | yes, same here but 4,6+V sound... unlikely |
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12:05:01 | n1s | safetydan: was there a reason you invented a whole new macro instead of steeing the nowrap flag for the settings that shouldn't wrap? |
12:05:20 | n1s | s/steeing/setting |
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12:12:27 | advcomp2019 | nanok, could you try r15801 and see if that does the same thing or not because it seems to me it does charge the sansa fine |
12:13:31 | nanok | advcomp2019: hm, i see i don't have that one, so i never tryed it |
12:13:42 | nanok | advcomp2019: but i need quite some time to figure it out |
12:13:55 | nanok | advcomp2019: i will try, thanks for the hint |
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12:16:01 | advcomp2019 | nanok, look at the daily builds.. i see it is there.. i am going to try r15806 myself |
12:17:17 | pixelma | the battery readouts seems a bit fishy in general to me - in a battery_bench it jumps around a bit too much for my taste (that's just my impression though) |
12:22:50 | nanok | advcomp2019: wild guess: 27 Nov 01:35Mike Sevakis firmware/target/arm/ipod/adc-ipod-pcf.c [diff] Further lockdown of multipart i2c operations that must be done without intrusion. |
12:23:01 | nanok | maybe this is the cullprit |
12:23:20 | nanok | advcomp2019: i will try 15801 now and see if i can notice a difference |
12:28:49 | pixelma | what should an ipod commit have to do with the Sansa(s)? |
12:29:38 | advcomp2019 | nanok, i was wondering that same thing |
12:29:42 | nanok | pixelma: mhh, silly me |
12:29:57 | nanok | sorry, was not paying enough attention |
12:30:05 | nanok | trying 15801 now |
12:30:37 | nanok | dissregard my remark. my chance at figuring out what might have broken it is very slim anyway, i shouldn't even try ;) |
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12:38:32 | barrywardell | Do LiIon batteries degrade with the number of charges (regarding FS #8147) |
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12:39:03 | advcomp2019 | barrywardell, as far as i know, no |
12:39:45 | nanok | hmm, i think they do have a limited cycle count |
12:40:15 | nanok | i don't know how rb is reading the voltage, but it seems really strange.. |
12:40:40 | nanok | the variations are quite inconsistent, and the value itself is not very realistic at first glance |
12:42:37 | barrywardell | the wikipedia page says their life depends most on their age. no real mention of number of recharges |
12:42:43 | advcomp2019 | barrywardell, as far as i know if you keep an Li-Ion battery charged and not let it die it can last a long time |
12:43:01 | barrywardell | yeah, that's what I thought. best to charge it often |
12:43:52 | advcomp2019 | barrywardell, Li-Ion batteries does not have a memory like Ni-Cd batteries had |
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12:46:20 | amiconn | LiIon doesn't exactly like to be fully charged all the time |
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12:47:17 | pixelma | after disconnecting USB, the voltage quickly dropped to a realistic value of 3,8V |
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12:52:21 | nanok | pixelma: yes, that's what i see also |
12:53:18 | Zagor | my c200 battery voltage (debug->view battery) doesn't jump around at all. it sits very stable at 4.734V |
12:53:32 | Zagor | (with usb connected) |
12:53:41 | nanok | hm. voltage delta's in the last 5 minutes or so are around 0mV (occasionally -1mV, +1mV) |
12:53:51 | amiconn | Yeah, and that means this can't be the battery voltage |
12:54:26 | nanok | amiconn: i think it is something else also, it is read "too far" from the battery or something, i don;t really know |
12:54:30 | amiconn | Anything above 4.2V would make the battery explode |
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12:55:45 | advcomp2019 | amiconn, mine reads with the usb cable plugged in 4.5v |
12:55:48 | Zagor | the scale started at 3.997 |
12:55:56 | nanok | amiconn: well, maybe that is the voltage applyed to the battery, but not what the battery actualy gets, thanks to the internal circuit which protects it |
12:56:32 | Zagor | ah, 4.7 is the input voltage. as soon as I disconnect usb it's back to 3.9V |
12:56:53 | nanok | i could understand that. but than how does the OF figure out when it is charging and when it is "done" (delta's?) |
12:56:55 | pixelma | Zagor: did you have a look at a battery_bench.txt? There is one in the tracker (even though battery_bench doesn't work _correctly_ anyways) and 1000 voltage changes which are logged in 5 hours don't sound right, especially since the go up and down a bit |
12:57:10 | amiconn | It's probably the voltage the main circuit is running from |
12:57:31 | amiconn | Does the ADC have multiple channels? |
12:57:45 | pixelma | Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8070?getfile=15253 |
12:57:45 | Zagor | amiconn: "as soon as I disconnect usb it's back to 3.9V" |
12:59:05 | advcomp2019 | mine jumps down to 4.0V when i unplug my usb cable |
12:59:05 | Zagor | pixelma: that looks like a perfectly fine discharge to me. what is the problem this file intents to show? |
12:59:36 | pixelma | it should show the "jumpiness" |
12:59:40 | barrywardell | amiconn: it has loads of channels |
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13:00:13 | Zagor | barrywardell: it has bulk endpoints because linux complains if I present an interface without endpoints (or a device without an interface). they could be any type of endpoints. fs_endpoints must be 64. "fs" = "full speed" = usb 1.1 = max 64 bytes |
13:00:40 | pixelma | Zagor: because the values are only logged if a voltage change is measured |
13:01:31 | Zagor | pixelma: I wouldn't say 1-3 mV reading differences qualify as jumpiness |
13:01:39 | barrywardell | Zagor: I see. thanks for clearing that up. So, we could probably have "full speed" working since it's only 64 bytes? |
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13:02:59 | nanok | Zagor: btw, i noticed a commit in a recent changelog which mentioned usb-storage. is it allready in, at "fs" (64B)? |
13:03:03 | barrywardell | amiconn: see debug_menu.c:1186 |
13:04:54 | Zagor | barrywardell: yeah, I've been working on that a few nights. I get less problems than with high speed, but still problems. |
13:05:26 | Zagor | nanok: no, it was just a commit to correct some test code |
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13:06:43 | Zagor | barrywardell: but I some of the problems are due to USBs very strict demands on protocol implementation. one fault and you're out. |
13:06:43 | nanok | Zagor: okay. just checked now, no usb mass storage kicking in on connect, indeed |
13:08:17 | Zagor | I guess using a better sniffer could help with the protocol bugs |
13:08:41 | barrywardell | Zagor: also, is the code inside the if(send) in prime_transfer() just for debugging? surely usb_drv_int() will handle that? |
13:09:44 | nanok | advcomp2019: it seems the behaviour is the same with 15801 for me.. |
13:10:12 | preglow | linuxstb: what shape is the alac decoder in? |
13:10:13 | nanok | advcomp2019: but i will leave it for an hour or two and see after |
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13:10:58 | Zagor | barrywardell: yeah it's test code since I felt I didn't get all the interrupts I was expecting. |
13:11:58 | advcomp2019 | nanok, i think i made a small mistake on the numbers because now i cant with r15801 too |
13:12:26 | Zagor | otoh having that, or a separate usb_drv_wait(), is rather nice since it makes the transfer synchronous and thus much simpler high-level code |
13:12:56 | barrywardell | true |
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13:15:08 | preglow | linuxstb: seen that the alac decoder we use has been updated? |
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13:49:33 | safetydan | n1s, it was done often enough that i thought it justified a macro |
13:50:14 | LinusN | the apple OF seems makes a lot of decisions in the code based on the 64 vs 32 meg memory |
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13:58:50 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm not really sure how to describe the state of the ALAC deocder - no-one seems to complain about it... Are you talking about the standalone ALAC decoder being updated, or the version in ffmpeg? |
13:58:54 | preglow | LinusN: what kind of decisions? |
13:59:09 | preglow | linuxstb: standalone, but aren't they really the same? |
13:59:28 | LinusN | preglow: like charging current measurement for instance |
13:59:45 | preglow | LinusN: wow... |
13:59:57 | preglow | i wouldn't have expected that |
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14:00:08 | Zagor | so it's rather like a board revision check |
14:01:15 | aliask | Hrm. I've found a function in the S' OF bootloader which "does stuff" to certain hardware addresses. From experience, all the addresses it touches are read only in RB. And to think I thought RE was useless! |
14:01:40 | linuxstb | preglow: The last release I can see for the alac decoder is September 2006 (0.1.3) - is that what you're talking about? |
14:02:00 | LinusN | Zagor: looks like it |
14:03:19 | Nico_P | aliask: nice |
14:04:33 | aliask | Nico_P: One of the addresses is ATA |
14:04:43 | aliask | So writing probably won't work |
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14:06:00 | preglow | linuxstb: aye |
14:06:01 | linuxstb | aliask: I'm not sure where I got it from, but I have a file called gigabeat-research.zip, and inside there is a file describing how the OF bootloader remaps memory addresses - have you seen that? |
14:06:21 | aliask | linuxstb: No, but I would be VERY interested in that |
14:06:28 | preglow | why are you reing a platform that has docs? :> |
14:06:51 | aliask | Because I don't want to wade through the 1600+Page datasheet :P |
14:07:14 | aliask | 2300* |
14:07:24 | preglow | haha |
14:07:28 | preglow | most of that stuff isn't interesting just for booting |
14:07:47 | linuxstb | aliask: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/gigabeat-research.zip |
14:08:12 | aliask | linuxstb: Thanks |
14:08:19 | Nico_P | linuxstb: isn't this on the wiki? |
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14:08:58 | linuxstb | e.g. it says that the OF bootloader is remapping RAM from 0x80000000-0x83ffffff to 0x88000000-0x8bffffff, but also mentions a whole load of other addresses. |
14:09:12 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I couldn't find it there the other day - maybe it was in the forum thread... |
14:10:32 | * | preglow reminds people not to care too much about what the of does when we have docs |
14:10:38 | preglow | or are there any components we don't have docs for? |
14:11:03 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree. It's helpful to know what state the bootloader leaves things in though... |
14:11:42 | preglow | ah, yes |
14:11:49 | preglow | so we're not going to replace the bootloader? :) |
14:12:00 | linuxstb | Only when Slasheri gets his S... |
14:12:16 | linuxstb | Or someone equally adventurous... |
14:12:27 | preglow | well, jtag should make it fairly safe |
14:12:34 | preglow | you don't have to be mad to do it :) |
14:12:50 | GodEater_ | I'm not certain we've gound the jtag on it have we ? |
14:13:09 | preglow | i don't know, i just magically assume it's there |
14:13:25 | preglow | if even ipods have them, everything will have them |
14:14:13 | aliask | Oh, it has it |
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14:14:20 | aliask | But we don't know if it's been disabled in hardware |
14:14:39 | linuxstb | aliask: Did you try reading the S's USB registers in Rockbox? |
14:14:40 | aliask | There's some security feature of the chip where some fuse can be shorted to disable JTAG |
14:14:55 | aliask | I did again today, it freezes when you try to read them |
14:15:00 | aliask | Like it did before |
14:15:03 | linuxstb | What address are they? |
14:15:05 | preglow | aliask: that sucks... |
14:15:19 | preglow | what socket is the chip? |
14:15:22 | aliask | 0x43F88000, 0x43F88120 and 0x43F88124. all are 32-bit words. |
14:15:29 | aliask | preglow: BGA |
14:15:32 | preglow | bah |
14:15:47 | linuxstb | aliask: The OF bootloader remaps those addresses... |
14:16:03 | GodEater_ | to.... |
14:16:14 | aliask | Ah! |
14:16:19 | aliask | linuxstb: Nice spot |
14:16:19 | linuxstb | It looks like they should be at 0x9bf88000 etc (replace 0x43 with 0x9b) |
14:16:38 | preglow | argh |
14:16:51 | aliask | By the way, I have a Gigabeat S motherboard with corrupt flash |
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14:16:55 | preglow | switching tracks near the end of a directory has such a high failure rate |
14:17:01 | aliask | Motherboard and casing, and a cracked LCD |
14:17:14 | aliask | So if anyone wants it... |
14:17:16 | preglow | i just now ended up in the middle of wps/ when trying to play an .ogg file |
14:17:37 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you checked your disk for errors? |
14:17:57 | preglow | yes, and there are some bad sectors, but they've been mapped away |
14:18:02 | preglow | linuxstb: and it didn't do this before mob |
14:18:10 | GodEater_ | how did interrupt work go with the S yesterday? I've not caught up... |
14:18:30 | linuxstb | aliask: Can you try reading the USB registers again? |
14:18:38 | aliask | Building now |
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14:20:41 | linuxstb | GodEater_: I don't think there was any progress. |
14:21:29 | GodEater_ | do we not need them working for the usb stuff to be useful ? Or have I missed something (very likely I admit) ? |
14:22:46 | linuxstb | preglow: Looks like I already checked out 0.1.3 (I have a copy on my hard disk) - a diff with the earlier versions show the changes were just in the mp4 parsing, not the decode itself (apart from a few optimisations, which are in Rockbox already). |
14:23:06 | preglow | right |
14:23:15 | preglow | the opts were mainly what i was thinking about |
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14:23:42 | linuxstb | At last we can implement the count_leading_zeros function with the ARM CLZ instruction though... |
14:23:50 | preglow | linuxstb: btw, any chance of clearing out libm4a of mallocs? |
14:24:07 | preglow | linuxstb: well, sure, on gigabeat s, none of our other targets are arm5 |
14:25:23 | linuxstb | DM320 is, and so is Telechips |
14:25:33 | preglow | sure, then those can have it |
14:25:41 | preglow | but gigabeat f and sansas can't |
14:25:47 | preglow | s/sansas/ppS/ |
14:26:55 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, what about libm4a? |
14:29:40 | linuxstb | What should we do about the seektable? It could be nice to be able to store it on the audio buffer. |
14:30:02 | aliask | linuxstb: I just noticed - the framebuffer address we're writing to is... in flash? |
14:30:23 | linuxstb | What address is that? Have you checked the remapping? |
14:30:42 | preglow | linuxstb: it sure would be, but that would also be a waste of codec plugin buffer free space |
14:31:00 | aliask | 0x80100000. According to the mapping 0x80000000 -> 0x84000000 is flash |
14:31:50 | linuxstb | aliask: 0xa0000000-0xa4000000 is the physical address of FLASH? |
14:32:12 | aliask | Yes |
14:32:38 | aliask | Also, this agrees with the fact that recovery.bin has records in it pointing to 0x80000000 |
14:32:54 | preglow | linuxstb: but i'm more curious about the non-seektable stuff that gets malloced |
14:33:14 | aliask | linuxstb: Wait, it looks like flash is only 1mb. |
14:33:15 | preglow | the seek table is potentially huge and will need special treatment, but i don't know about the other stuff |
14:33:18 | aliask | *2mb |
14:33:48 | linuxstb | preglow: I think the codecdata is just very small, and can probably just be put in the normal metadata struct (which is how I handle the same thing in ASF - it's about 16 bytes or so) |
14:34:06 | aliask | Still doesn't explain why this address writes to the LCD |
14:34:19 | preglow | linuxstb: i might go on a small crusade to remove mallocs altogether, lord knows what i'll do about tremor, though |
14:34:49 | preglow | tremor is the only real showstopper |
14:35:17 | linuxstb | BTW, regarding your earlier suggestion of metadata plugins, I've been thinking the same recently, but am wondering what effect that would have on database building... |
14:35:57 | preglow | linuxstb: ouch... |
14:36:00 | preglow | linuxstb: very nice point |
14:36:40 | preglow | that wouldn't be a problem with a proper plugin format |
14:36:45 | preglow | another of my pet annoyances |
14:36:49 | preglow | of which i will never do nothing |
14:36:55 | linuxstb | You mean relocatable plugins? |
14:36:57 | preglow | aye |
14:37:19 | linuxstb | But where would the database put all the metadata parsers? |
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14:37:55 | linuxstb | Given that they're potentially all needed every time Rockbox boots (and the database doesn't know which ones are needed until a full disk rescan is done) |
14:38:16 | preglow | linuxstb: well, at boot time it's simple, load them all into some free space of the buffer |
14:38:37 | linuxstb | And leave them there forever? |
14:38:40 | preglow | scanning while playing stuff is worse, but also doable, but we'd need to implement the "dynamic" buffer_alloc stuff |
14:39:18 | preglow | we could also offload the scanning to a computer :> |
14:39:28 | * | linuxstb slaps preglow |
14:39:48 | linuxstb | Or just remove the database completely. |
14:40:09 | petur | or stick to using the OF |
14:40:21 | petur | and only talk about beer here :P |
14:40:32 | linuxstb | Do you think we'll still get donations? |
14:40:49 | petur | do they buy us beer at the moment? |
14:41:08 | linuxstb | I don't know, I've never attended an official devcon... |
14:41:27 | * | petur brought his own last time ;) |
14:42:56 | preglow | my oh my, it actually seems like my one wma file is going to play all the way through!"1 |
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14:47:44 | aliask | linuxstb: Using the 9b____ addresses for the USB just make the player have a black screen - even worse than freezing.. |
14:51:39 | linuxstb | preglow: Why is that surprising? |
14:52:18 | preglow | linuxstb: because it previously didn't :) |
14:52:42 | preglow | linuxstb: the file has errors, i think, or hit upon some decoder bugs |
14:52:53 | preglow | but after my error recovery stuff it now decodes all the way through, it seems |
14:54:20 | preglow | and it does punch out a few funky glitches from time to time |
14:54:45 | preglow | i guess we should perhaps reset some state when an error occurs |
14:55:29 | GodEater_ | a |
14:55:35 | GodEater_ | scuse me |
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15:04:12 | * | XavierGr just pressed the "Buy Now" button for a Gigabeat S (60GB)! :D |
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15:06:31 | mrfree | hi all |
15:06:41 | mrfree | does rockbox shows album covers? |
15:06:57 | Nico_P | yes |
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15:08:25 | mrfree | Nico_P, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt this? |
15:08:34 | Nico_P | mrfree: that's it |
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15:16:06 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Where did you buy it from? |
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15:20:23 | XavierGr | linuxstb: ebay 150USD |
15:22:00 | XavierGr | there is another one in auction but doesn't have a buy now option (ends on 4 days) |
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15:33:48 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Not a bad price - I paid 200USD for a refurbished S60 |
15:34:17 | linuxstb | If any UK people are looking for an S, this auction looks promising - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toshiba-Gigabeat-S60-60GB-MP3-PLAYER-IPOD-ZUNE-MES60_W0QQitemZ110200115720QQihZ001QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
15:34:23 | linuxstb | (but the seller only ships to the UK) |
15:35:31 | petur | no cradle? |
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15:36:01 | petur | hmmm and uk wallcharger probably :( |
15:36:08 | XavierGr | gigabeat S has a cradle? |
15:36:22 | petur | no idea - the F has iirc |
15:36:27 | XavierGr | petur: S uses the same charger as H300 |
15:36:34 | petur | ah |
15:37:44 | Nico_P | the S doesn't come with a cradle |
15:37:58 | mrfree | recording feature doesn't seem to work on iPod nano, is there a way to disable it? |
15:38:51 | linuxstb | mrfree: It works via the line-in pins hidden in the dock connector - you need a custom cable. To disable it, just remove the "HAVE_RECORDING" line from firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h and compile your own build. |
15:39:21 | Nico_P | why is it enabled by default? |
15:39:27 | linuxstb | Huh? |
15:39:39 | linuxstb | Because the nano supports recording... |
15:39:59 | Nico_P | yeah but only with a custom cable, how many people have built one? |
15:39:59 | linuxstb | Or do you consider a custom cable to be a hardware mod? |
15:40:09 | linuxstb | You can also buy them ready-made. |
15:40:20 | amiconn | Wouldn't it need just an ipod dock? |
15:40:31 | linuxstb | No, the docks only contain line-out. |
15:40:43 | Zagor | is having it enabled somehow causing any inconvenience, other than possible confusion? |
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15:41:29 | mrfree | linuxstb, great news! where I can find schematic? |
15:41:37 | Nico_P | I would've thought people who know about the capability are far less than people who don't and wonder why the recording screen is there |
15:41:51 | linuxstb | There's currently a bug which means playback after recording doesn't work, which would be an inconvenience if you accidentally enter record. (fixing is on my to-do list) |
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15:43:26 | linuxstb | mrfree: http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector (plus other places if you google) Somewhere that sells them is here - http://home.swipnet.se/ridax/connector.htm (I have no experience of that seller though) |
15:43:34 | Zagor | Nico_P: yeah but that could easily be handled in the manual. people noticing the capability, reading about how to use it and then thanking rockbox for a new feature are more important than those few who just gets confused and/or annoyed imho |
15:44:23 | Nico_P | probably, yes |
15:44:42 | mrfree | linuxstb, ok thanks... hey it support stereo recording! |
15:48:52 | amiconn | There's another feature on Nano that Rockbox supports but the OF doesn't :) |
15:50:01 | preglow | amiconn: if i start of now, it just stays in dim mode from the bootloader... |
15:52:38 | Zagor | I just saw "accepts all music formats" claimed on an ad for Nokia 5310. somehow I doubt it does... |
15:53:22 | linuxstb | Country _and_ Western? |
15:53:48 | Zagor | :) |
15:54:59 | mrfree | amiconn, which feature?? |
15:55:51 | preglow | mrfree: backlight dimming |
15:56:28 | linuxstb | Does the Apple OF have a wake-up alarm? |
15:56:56 | Zagor | gosh, it doesn't even support ogg or flac |
15:57:36 | Zagor | I wonder if the ad people are ignorant, or simply count on the viewers being so... |
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15:58:12 | linuxstb | Zagor: Was this advert online? |
15:58:21 | mrfree | preglow, what do you mean?? on the apple fw one can't adjust display light? |
15:58:50 | Zagor | linuxstb: I saw it in a paper magazine, which is downloable as a pdf. so not really, but almost :) |
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16:00:22 | linuxstb | mrfree: Correct. |
16:01:37 | mrfree | I never noticed this :) ... ahhhh rockbox simply rocks ;) |
16:01:48 | preglow | mrfree: exactly, apple firmware can't, we can |
16:02:04 | preglow | mrfree: and don't ask us why they don't, the feature is in hardware |
16:03:30 | Zagor | apple has feature fobia |
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16:04:01 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, what do you mean? |
16:04:16 | preglow | amiconn: why apple doesn't do dimming |
16:04:41 | amiconn | The bootloader sets brightness = 1. Rockbox should start with brightness = 1 as well, then switch to your configured brightness |
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16:05:31 | preglow | amiconn: i'm talking about retailos, not rockbox |
16:05:59 | amiconn | Ah, 'of' |
16:06:01 | preglow | it seems to ignore dimming completely and just sits around in the dark until it switches its backlight on again |
16:06:11 | amiconn | hehe |
16:06:13 | preglow | at which point full brightness is back |
16:06:50 | amiconn | Maybe the bootloader should swutch to full brightness when booting OF? |
16:06:59 | preglow | should we care= :D |
16:07:17 | amiconn | Not really, imho |
16:07:21 | preglow | i surely don't |
16:07:30 | preglow | doesn't cost us much to do it, but i just can't be bothered |
16:07:39 | preglow | so at least wait until someone comes nagging |
16:08:01 | linuxstb | Is the current bootloader good to release? |
16:08:29 | preglow | works for me |
16:09:54 | linuxstb | Could be worth finding someone with the troublesome Nano to make sure the IDE0CONFIG changes work in the bootloader. IIRC, they changed how things were configured in the bootloader. |
16:10:08 | preglow | yeah, mine always worked |
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16:12:18 | mrfree | I noticed both OF and rockbox that when ipod is connected via usb the light cannot be switched on |
16:12:30 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Were you the one who was seeing battery strangeness on the 3G? |
16:14:14 | pixelma | DerPapst also reported it here |
16:15:18 | Llorean | Ah. |
16:15:38 | Llorean | It looks like something similar happens on the 1G (which is problematic since they can't then shut down) |
16:16:10 | pixelma | speaking of backlight brightness on Nano - did someone do comparison battery_benches with full brightness vs. a lower level (maybe what they would use)? |
16:16:26 | pixelma | the same question for the Video |
16:17:33 | pixelma | Llorean: I know that amiconn has problems on his 1st/2nd gen Ipods but don't know all the details - jhMikeS and he are investigating I think |
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16:21:23 | linuxstb | mrfree: When the ipod is connected via usb, it's not running Rockbox any more... |
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16:30:36 | mrfree | linuxstb, gotcha |
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16:48:09 | mrfree | after how much time rockbox automatically shutdown? |
16:49:58 | GodEater_ | mrfree: depends what you have it set to |
16:50:49 | mrfree | yes sorry I'm so excited for my new ipod+rockbox I'm reading the manual :P |
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17:03:12 | pondlife | Bagder: So you already had coffee with AMS ;) |
17:05:13 | markun | Bagder: nice reply from AMS! |
17:06:27 | pondlife | If only Nvidia and Samsung would be so helpful. |
17:06:47 | markun | pondlife: which one from Samsung? |
17:06:55 | pondlife | Apple's new stuff |
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17:07:15 | austriancoder | AMS is a very friendly company |
17:07:18 | pondlife | A mystery Samsung SoC, last I heard |
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17:09:26 | markun | austriancoder: I thought they were less friendly before you payed them a visit |
17:10:32 | austriancoder | markun: maybe.. but now the are friendly.. :) |
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17:14:57 | markun | would this be a nice device to port rockbox to? http://cgi.ebay.com/New-ainol-V2000-4G-3-1600w-LTPS-4-3-PMP-MP4-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ320188237640QQihZ011QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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17:15:57 | preglow | all devices are :> |
17:17:19 | markun | preglow: I still don't know if I should accept ADI's offer to give me a Blackfin development board |
17:17:53 | markun | if we don't find enough Blackfin powered DAPs it's a bit useless |
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17:19:02 | markun | preglow: so far I've found these: http://130.89.160.166/blackfin-players.txt |
17:20:21 | Llorean | markun: The real question is, are more players likely to use Blackfin going forward? How new is it? |
17:20:26 | * | Llorean has only really heard you mention it, mostly |
17:22:27 | elinenbe | markun: the better question is why wouldn't you mention it? |
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17:22:34 | elinenbe | sorry, why wouldn |
17:22:38 | elinenbe | 't you take it? |
17:22:49 | markun | elinenbe: guilt? :) |
17:23:23 | elinenbe | markun: but it could always be useful in the future... |
17:23:24 | markun | it costs almost $1000 (well, probably not for them) |
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17:24:21 | PaulJam | amiconn: here? |
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17:26:09 | desowin | mf0102: read that you have driver license....you could come here and drink beer with me ;-) |
17:26:32 | desowin | oops, sorry, not that channel |
17:26:51 | petur | it's ok, if it mentions beer it's on topic |
17:26:57 | mf0102 | :) |
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17:54:00 | TheSandman | hello |
17:54:10 | TheSandman | i would like some help on installing rockbox |
17:54:23 | TheSandman | i have an ipod 5.5G 80GB |
17:55:23 | TheSandman | both manual installer and utility can't find it |
17:56:37 | PaulJam | does it appear under "my conputer" as a drive? |
17:57:26 | TheSandman | it does |
17:57:35 | TheSandman | but the installer says it can't locate it |
17:57:51 | TheSandman | on the other hand i never started it with iTunes |
17:58:38 | TheSandman | could you help me out? |
17:59:50 | TheSandman | brb |
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18:00 |
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18:02:52 | TheSandman | i'm back |
18:02:56 | TheSandman | had to reboot |
18:04:13 | TheSandman | so can anyone please help me out? |
18:04:32 | TheSandman | i really can't install bloody iTunes because i'm pre SP 4 |
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18:04:55 | krazykit | please have patience. IRC doesn't stand for Instant Reply Chat, you know. |
18:05:17 | TheSandman | okay |
18:05:24 | TheSandman | i just wanted to see a reaction or something |
18:06:29 | krazykit | you've sort of hit a lull in the day. the aussies are asleep, america is mostly at work, and europe is either at work or just getting home. have you done a search on the forums and mailing list? if not, i recommend doing so |
18:08:24 | pixelma | SP4? I'm off shortly but asking this question because it might help others - what operating system are you on? |
18:09:06 | TheSandman | win 2000 |
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18:09:38 | TheSandman | the point is |
18:09:44 | TheSandman | that if i manually install |
18:09:58 | TheSandman | the ipodpatcher.exe can't find it |
18:10:06 | TheSandman | and if i automatically install |
18:10:12 | TheSandman | again, it can't be found |
18:11:04 | PaulJam | does the apple firmware still run fine? |
18:11:09 | TheSandman | no |
18:11:20 | TheSandman | i mean the OS on the ipod is okay |
18:11:28 | TheSandman | only i can't acces it through itunes |
18:11:37 | TheSandman | cause i can't install the last version |
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18:14:41 | PaulJam | have you tried if it maybe works in the emergency disk mode? |
18:15:12 | TheSandman | what is that? |
18:15:26 | PaulJam | btw, you are sure this is a G5.5 ipod? not a classic? |
18:15:49 | TheSandman | well it's a 80GB ipod |
18:15:59 | TheSandman | i assumed it's a G5.5 |
18:16:30 | krazykit | http://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Fifth_Generation_.285G.29_.2F_Fifth_Generation_Enhanced_.285.5G.29 |
18:16:36 | krazykit | is it this one, or the one underneath? |
18:17:54 | TheSandman | 80GB iPod: This is a 5.5G (Fifth Generation Enhanced) iPod only. |
18:17:57 | TheSandman | this is it |
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18:19:48 | digger__ | hi |
18:20:36 | digger__ | does the sansapatcher tool run on freebsd, too? or do i have to boot linux? |
18:20:57 | PaulJam | TheSandman: chapter 2.2. if the manual explains how to enter diskmode manually (but i don't really think it'll make a difference). |
18:21:13 | TheSandman | i see.. |
18:21:20 | TheSandman | but what should i do? |
18:21:22 | TheSandman | i mean |
18:21:32 | TheSandman | do i have to format it with itunes first? |
18:21:34 | TheSandman | or smth?? |
18:22:11 | PaulJam | you shouldn't need to reformat (unless it is a hfs formatted ipod) |
18:22:15 | krazykit | digger__, it *might* run via the compat. layer, but you may have to build it yourself for bsd, should you not want to boot linux. |
18:22:30 | linuxstb | digger__: It will run on BSD, but you'll have to compile it yourself. |
18:22:49 | mrfree | after the first boot I told rockbox to use my existing itunes db now I added mp3s as files I run update database but they aren't listed |
18:23:04 | mrfree | can I use both files and itunes db? |
18:23:06 | digger__ | thx, i'll give it a try. |
18:23:23 | linuxstb | TheSandman: So are you sure you have an ipod 5.5g, not a classic? When did you buy it? |
18:23:37 | TheSandman | i just received it from someone |
18:23:50 | TheSandman | and it's surely a 80gb, thus a 5.5G |
18:23:52 | krazykit | linuxstb, i already pointed him at the ipodlinux generation page. he confirmed it was a 5/5.5 |
18:24:05 | linuxstb | TheSandman: No - 80GB does not imply 5.5g. |
18:24:14 | linuxstb | The Classic comes in 80GB and 160GB models. |
18:24:24 | TheSandman | then that might be it.. |
18:24:30 | PaulJam | mrfree: it could be that you need to restart after manually updating the database. |
18:24:56 | mrfree | PaulJam, ah ok |
18:24:57 | linuxstb | TheSandman: That sentence you quoted is just for distinguishing between a 5g and 5.5g. |
18:25:21 | TheSandman | but still, the rockbox utility is unique |
18:25:28 | TheSandman | should work for any model |
18:25:35 | TheSandman | right? |
18:25:40 | krazykit | TheSandman, for any *supported* model |
18:25:50 | linuxstb | TheSandman: What colour is your ipod? |
18:25:55 | TheSandman | black |
18:26:03 | PaulJam | mrfree: if you keep the database in RAM and/or enable autoupdate then a reboot isn't required afaik. |
18:26:08 | TheSandman | and metallic silver back |
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18:26:33 | * | krazykit thinks TheSandman didn't look at the pictures on the page i sent him. |
18:26:39 | mrfree | PaulJam, ok thanks for the info |
18:26:42 | TheSandman | i did |
18:26:53 | Slasheri | reboot is always required unless dircache is enabled or database is loaded to ram |
18:27:00 | linuxstb | TheSandman: If you go into the Apple firmware, and go into "Settings" then "About" (I think...) what firmware version does it show? |
18:27:20 | Slasheri | still it might be sometimes necessary to reboot if adding large collection of files at once |
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18:28:26 | mrfree | now I put a cover.bmp file in an album dir but the image doesn't appear in wps... I suppose my current theme doesn't support it or what? |
18:28:55 | TheSandman | omg you're right :| |
18:28:59 | TheSandman | it's classic |
18:29:00 | TheSandman | sorry :| |
18:29:49 | krazykit | you don't have one of the supported devices then. |
18:29:57 | mrfree | I'm using Clix_IriverBlack and it hasn't any %Cl tag in .wps file |
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18:31:36 | TheSandman | oh.. |
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18:33:11 | Hammer89 | this is a question totally unrelated to rockbox... so sry in advance... but does anyone know how to register a nickname w/ freenode? |
18:33:58 | PaulJam | linuxstb: would it be possible/desired that ipodpatcher and rbutil recognize unsupported devices? |
18:34:11 | Slasheri | Hammer89: /msg nickserv help |
18:34:25 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Yes, I've been thinking the same. All I need is someone to send me some ;) |
18:34:33 | mrfree | mhhh strange... when I switch from a theme like iriverblack (for example) to the default theme background and icons remains... I think it isn't normal |
18:34:55 | digger__ | little ot: my sansa e280 came with fw 1.02.18E installed (europe, no fm). what is the latest recommendable fw? |
18:35:11 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I agree it would make things easier. We should also see if it's possible to do the same with the v2 Sansas which are now appearing. |
18:35:14 | digger__ | i need the fw to build sansapatcher anyway, it seems. |
18:35:31 | linuxstb | digger__: No, you need the Rockbox bootloaders. One moment, and I'll give you the links. |
18:36:03 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/c200/firmware.mi4 and http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 |
18:36:23 | linuxstb | (they have the same names as the original firmwares though...) |
18:36:33 | Hammer89 | Slasheri: thanks |
18:36:37 | digger__ | ah, ok, thx! |
18:36:57 | * | linuxstb goes to update the sansapatcher README |
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18:39:19 | digger__ | build successful. however, does it make sense to upgrade the orig fw to 1.03.something? |
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18:39:50 | krazykit | digger__, no, i would leave it. not like you'll be using it that often anyway. |
18:40:22 | digger__ | alright, sounds reasonable. *g* |
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18:43:49 | digger__ | it's alive! *bg* |
18:44:58 | digger__ | painless −− kudos to the rb team! |
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18:53:08 | mordov | hello. I have a bug report abaout the Automatic instaler for Ipod nano. can anyone tell me where to put it? |
18:54:03 | krazykit | look on the left of rockbox.org for Bug Reports |
18:54:22 | rasher | Holy crap, docs from AMS! |
18:55:27 | rasher | Now let's hope this is rewarded with a port |
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18:56:42 | mordov | ah I have to registre and stuff... the thing is: the installer only works when I have it in ipod mode and not with the rockbox mode. do with it as you wish |
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18:57:16 | krazykit | mordov, oh, that's known. there's no USB (other than charging) for iPods and Sansa right now. |
18:57:57 | mordov | it works when it's conected and shows normal ipod window, then rockbox updates :) |
18:58:43 | mordov | seems like the instaler likes aple btter than it's own creator :D |
18:59:53 | Llorean | mordov: As krazykit said, Rockbox has NO USB mode on iPods right now. |
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19:00:03 | Llorean | And bug reports belong in the tracker. |
19:00:46 | mordov | sorry for spamming then, just thought you would liek the info |
19:01:27 | Llorean | If you think we'd like the info... post a bug report documenting which version of Rockbox you have, and how to reproduce it. |
19:02:36 | Llorean | There's no way to know how many of the dozens of people who can make changes to the code are awake and looking at the screen right now. Meanwhile, bug reports actually stick around, and are useful |
19:03:09 | PaulJam | well, it turned out not to be a bug as it seems. |
19:03:10 | mordov | But I guess it's not a bug report since it's not suposed to work... it's just that it's working for me :) |
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19:03:34 | Llorean | mordov: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode. Whatever you're doing is using the Apple USB mode. |
19:04:33 | Llorean | Well, Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on _iPods_ rather |
19:04:39 | mordov | when I conect the nano I get to different kinds of conect screen. one looks like rockbox and the other is the apple one I guess |
19:04:45 | Llorean | No |
19:04:48 | Llorean | They're two different Apple ones. |
19:04:53 | mordov | ah ok |
19:05:04 | Llorean | I was not lying when I said Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on iPods... |
19:06:01 | Llorean | If you can connect it to the computer and put files on it, you're in the Apple firmware. If there's a big USB plug on your screen, and you're charging, but you can't connect, you're in the "not finished yet" portion that will one day be Rockbox's USB mode |
19:06:05 | mordov | so the report is like this then: the autoinstaler works only with one of the iPod modes |
19:06:28 | mordov | cause I can move files in both |
19:07:04 | mordov | may it be I have two different ipod botloaders on my ipod? |
19:07:16 | krazykit | no. reread what Llorean said. |
19:08:16 | mordov | ah seff sorry ... |
19:09:08 | mordov | guess you got the thing I wanted to report.. and I learned something :) thanks have a nice day |
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19:26:25 | digger__ | hmm... i'm wondering why the "music" folder is not being displayed in the file browser...? |
19:26:47 | bertrik | digger__: i think the OF hides it |
19:26:49 | scorche|w | are you using a sansa? |
19:27:02 | digger__ | scorche|w: yes. |
19:27:15 | Crash91 | digger__: |
19:27:17 | scorche|w | then yes...the OF marks that folder as hidden |
19:27:20 | Crash91 | oops, |
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19:27:38 | digger__ | so i need to run some kind of msdosfs attrib tool? |
19:27:56 | Crash91 | digger__: goto WPS, press and hold submenu, then in quickscreen, press play until "All Files" appears |
19:28:12 | Crash91 | on the bottom of the screen |
19:29:07 | digger__ | Crash91: works! :) thx. |
19:29:13 | Crash91 | np :) |
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19:30:40 | digger__ | now i need to get rid of the included earphones... *shudder* |
19:31:08 | digger__ | will get my sennheisers back tomorrow. :) |
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19:32:47 | Crash91 | :) |
19:32:58 | Crash91 | the bundled earphones are still better than the ipods |
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19:34:41 | gryzor | greetings. is there a rockbox Changelog somewhere on the website ? |
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19:35:11 | bertrik | gryzor: there is a wiki that mentions the major changes |
19:35:15 | gryzor | (i run r15290 on my sansa e200 and would like to see what's new before upgrading) |
19:35:20 | gryzor | ah, that should be fine |
19:35:50 | gryzor | ty |
19:35:58 | bertrik | you could also do a svn log, but that's probably too detailed |
19:36:29 | bertrik | the major changes are at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
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19:38:39 | bertrik | anti-aliasing, alcoholics anonymous, album art |
19:41:40 | Crash91 | Album Art :P |
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20:35:36 | amiconn | PaulJam: Now I am |
20:38:23 | PaulJam | hi, i noticed that if you set a custon value via a .cfg file for the backlight timeout, it seems to only appear in the list if it is below 120 seconds. and i was wondering if this is a limitation or a bug. |
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20:41:13 | amiconn | The table settings use the minimum and maximum list values as global minimum/maximum |
20:41:38 | amiconn | This is by design |
20:42:18 | PaulJam | ok, thanks. |
20:42:47 | amiconn | In theory we wouldn't need a maximum for the backlight timeout, but the minimum must be enforced |
20:43:01 | amiconn | For other settings of that type, requirements might be different |
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20:48:39 | PaulJam | amiconn: but the setting itself worked fine, so setting the timeout to 200 seconds via cfg made the backlight turn off afer 3:20. so there doesn't seem to be a check of the setting itself for min/max. |
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21:06:45 | * | petur discovers http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330194016064&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:BE:1123 |
21:07:03 | Llorean | No reserve, ooooh. |
21:09:38 | petur | has rockbox installed - but a very old build... |
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21:10:33 | Llorean | I'll be curious to see how much it goes for |
21:10:53 | scorche|w | 80gig too |
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21:45:22 | Klevi | For the sansac200 will sansapatcher.exe always work regardless of firmware? |
21:45:43 | Klevi | Firmware version* |
21:46:04 | linuxstb | It's always possible Sandisk could radically change things, but I think it's unlikely. |
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21:46:31 | Klevi | version *simplified* 1.4A |
21:47:31 | Klevi | Its possible then that it can brick my sansa? |
21:47:42 | Klevi | by using the patch? |
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21:50:01 | Klevi | Worked. |
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21:50:26 | Klevi | Someone.. forward that to him, I should be back later tonite |
21:50:26 | markun | Klevi: lucky you :) |
21:50:31 | Klevi | lol |
21:50:33 | Klevi | Byee for now |
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22:28:28 | preglow | is it just me, or does the backlight animation stop when you're in a list? |
22:29:30 | Llorean | Animation? |
22:29:39 | Llorean | Like, the fade? |
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22:31:17 | Schinken | hi there! |
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22:31:54 | preglow | Llorean: yeah |
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22:32:40 | Schinken | From which game is this skin? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/RockSki.png |
22:32:50 | Schinken | i know this game from my childhood... but can't remember the name |
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22:34:28 | krazykit | Schinken, skifree |
22:35:00 | Schinken | THANKS a lot ;) |
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22:41:53 | fxb | oh, it's just a skin. thought it was the game. |
22:41:58 | fxb | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27892 |
22:42:23 | fxb | :) i should probably add colors. |
22:43:37 | * | petur briefly mentions http://rockbox.plaxogroups.com for plaxo members.... |
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22:47:07 | Schinken | Does Rockbox still work with my IPOD Docking Station in my Car? |
22:48:52 | petur | depends on what the docking station does I guess |
22:49:07 | petur | does it offer rmote control? |
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22:49:15 | petur | *remote |
22:49:24 | Schinken | no |
22:49:28 | Schinken | only Line output to my radio |
22:49:39 | petur | should be ok then |
22:49:43 | Schinken | and of course.. charging my ipod ;) |
22:50:13 | Schinken | remote controls doesnt work with rockbox? |
22:50:50 | Schinken | Controls on my steering wheel should be cool to control the ipod :D |
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22:52:37 | petur | if it uses the serial protocol then it will not work |
22:52:47 | Schinken | hm k |
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22:55:10 | Schinken | petur is there something like.. font antialiasing? |
22:55:18 | petur | no |
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22:55:54 | Schinken | any future plans? ;) |
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22:56:34 | petur | no |
22:57:01 | petur | unless maybe on those 400MHz arm targets ;) |
22:57:28 | Schinken | at my work i programm on 24mhz controllers... 400mhz is a dream ;) |
22:57:36 | Schinken | -m |
22:57:50 | Bagder | well, you probably don't have super-huge color LCDs to fill with stuff ;-) |
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22:58:08 | rayjgu3 | hello |
22:58:10 | amiconn | petur: Isn't the S 533MHz,? |
22:58:16 | Bagder | it is |
22:58:21 | petur | hmmm |
22:58:22 | pixelma | I want font antialiasing on my Ondio's display with backdrop! ;P |
22:58:29 | rayjgu3 | anyone here have a sansa e280 |
22:58:44 | rayjgu3 | cant seem to get rockbox onto it |
22:59:03 | Bagder | rayjgu3: is it possibly a v2? |
22:59:27 | Schinken | Bagder jeah .. but a 16bit grayscale display with touch! ;) |
22:59:43 | rayjgu3 | v03.01.11a |
22:59:49 | Bagder | rayjgu3: that's v2 |
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23:00:00 | rayjgu3 | what to do? |
23:00:11 | Bagder | rayjgu3: it doesn't run rockbox |
23:00:17 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html |
23:00:21 | rayjgu3 | NNNOOOO |
23:00:22 | desowin | port rockbox! |
23:00:31 | Bagder | start working on the port! |
23:00:38 | safetydan | hrm, more settings that possibly shouldn't wrap |
23:00:40 | amiconn | Schinken: 16 bit grayscale?? Do you mean 16 shades perhaps (that'd be 4 bit) |
23:00:50 | Schinken | jeah 4 bit per pixel |
23:01:02 | Schinken | 16 shades.. sry jeah ;) |
23:01:52 | safetydan | Looks like backlight settings might need to not wrap as well. |
23:01:55 | Schinken | is it hard to create my own skin? (the graphics wouldnt be the prob) |
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23:02:42 | Llorean | safetydan: I think the real problem with the backlight setting is people panicking and not just hitting "up" or "down" again when the screen goes black. |
23:02:45 | linuxstb | Schinken: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
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23:03:15 | Schinken | okay thx |
23:03:35 | Schinken | for a programmer using C wouldnt it be a big prob., right? ;) |
23:03:39 | sup | : ] |
23:03:44 | Schinken | normaly programming c ;) |
23:04:01 | Bagder | Schinken: see the page please |
23:04:21 | safetydan | Llorean: true. But it wouldn't hurt to stop that one wrapping. |
23:04:59 | pixelma | safetydan: the scale in the backlight settings is not (off > increasing time > on) but (off > on > increasing time) |
23:05:08 | bertrik | nice to read the good news about the sansa v2 |
23:05:36 | Llorean | safetydan: I'm not so sure. If "Off" is on one of the ends, wrapping means either direction gets you light back. Not wrapping means that there's a 50/50 chance they'll press a button, not get light back, and think they're stuck. |
23:06:03 | Bagder | bertrik: yes, getting docs for a target feels like luxury these days! |
23:06:15 | Schinken | no png's? no alpha channel? (except for pink?) :( |
23:06:17 | amiconn | I think *all* settings should wrap except volume |
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23:07:22 | safetydan | Llorean: you have won me over :) |
23:07:41 | safetydan | amiconn: what about eq band gain and precut? |
23:07:45 | Llorean | amiconn: I'm not sure I'd go that far. EQ bands shouldn't, I think, for example. Or any setting that defaults to the "middle". But the vast majority should imho. |
23:07:48 | Bagder | Schinken: correct |
23:08:03 | Bagder | Schinken: we rather have long battery life |
23:08:03 | Schinken | .. same question again.. any future plans? ;) |
23:08:09 | Schinken | oh okay |
23:08:13 | BigBambi | Only if someone does it |
23:08:26 | Bagder | Schinken: in general: we don't plan |
23:08:33 | BigBambi | Schinken: Keep in mind we have big colour lcds with limited processors |
23:08:37 | Schinken | jeah if it saves battery live |
23:08:45 | amiconn | Real alpha would be really slow. Rough estimation: a factor of 10 |
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23:08:54 | Schinken | okay |
23:08:56 | pixelma | Llorean: what do you think about the "Julius" build(s)? |
23:09:03 | Schinken | hm is see... makin' skins is quite easy |
23:09:06 | amiconn | Maybe on the gigabeast (aka Gigabeat S) |
23:10:59 | Llorean | pixelma: I think that thread needed to be removed a long time ago, and I never got around to it. I'll lock it for now, and move it to trash in a few days |
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23:12:19 | pixelma | Llorean: great, it's way too old and it only seems to cause trouble now |
23:12:40 | Llorean | Yeah, agreed |
23:12:42 | Llorean | It's locked now |
23:14:15 | pixelma | thanks |
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23:14:45 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I'm seeing battery strangeness on 3g but I'm not the only one. Problems from 10/16-11/17 were just hangs/aborts. Battery problems started on 11/18. |
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23:15:31 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I just wanted to mention that someone in our forums is reporting battery strangeness (reporting "too low" on a nearly full battery) on a 1G, where the constant attempts to shutdown result in an endless loop due to no shutdown |
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23:16:42 | jhMikeS | I just the the "battery low" message and it shuts down. I've had the loops but those turned out to be settings related and resetting them stopped it. |
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23:17:34 | markun | safetydan: 12.05.01 <n1s> safetydan: was there a reason you invented a whole new macro instead of steeing the nowrap flag for the settings that shouldn't wrap? |
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23:17:51 | markun | <n1s> s/steeing/setting |
23:18:23 | Llorean | jhMikeS: The 1G can't shut down, which is why it loops |
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23:19:00 | jhMikeS | Llorean: What does "can't shut down" mean? I thought 3g technically never shut down either. |
23:19:39 | Llorean | jhMikeS: As far as I know right now the 1G can't even "shut down" as much as the other iPods do. The only solution is to reboot into the apple firmware first, and use its sleep |
23:19:48 | * | Llorean doesn't remember hearing that this got fixed, at least |
23:21:27 | jhMikeS | So if rockbox turns off automatically for any reason, the bootloader still tries to boot rockbox again? |
23:21:35 | pixelma | I think it's not, IIRC amiconn said the only solution would be an own suspend to RAM |
23:22:05 | amiconn | The G3 *can* shut down like all other ipods |
23:22:12 | amiconn | Only the G1 and G2 can't |
23:22:37 | Llorean | jhMikeS: If I understand correctly, yes, which is frustrating for those experiencing the problem because they're more likely to say "Infinite loop, I should panic" than "Infinite loop, I should turn on hold" |
23:22:52 | jhMikeS | I think to reason I got the loops was that the auto shutdown timeout was too short and that's why resetting settings fixed it. |
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23:23:15 | amiconn | The G1/G2 system_shutdown() just resets, that's all we can do atm |
23:23:47 | amiconn | And yes, you need to enable hold after triggering "shutdown", in order to make it boot the OF, which will then suspend |
23:24:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: btw, swp(b) doesn't seem to be broken at all on pp5002 in fact it seems as good to use it there as for PP5022+ |
23:24:18 | amiconn | Intersting... |
23:24:42 | jhMikeS | which is good because that kernel flavor is definitely faster |
23:24:44 | amiconn | Any news on the crash issue? |
23:25:23 | safetydan | markun, n1s, I did answer that. The reason was that the code was repeated often enough that i thought it justified a macro. |
23:25:44 | jhMikeS | I know that it coincides with the dualcore commit, but nothing says why it does. |
23:25:47 | markun | safetydan: sorry, didn't see your reply |
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23:26:19 | * | Soap is here now if someone wants to discuss the recent RBUtil issues with downloading themes. |
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23:29:10 | jhMikeS | 11 samples from just before it are fine. The first revision that hanged on 3g is r15140. Some builds that work or don't work seem to make no sense at all. |
23:29:49 | stripwax_ | So, pretty quiet on the svn front.. Anyone fancy committing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226 or http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218?histring=sliding_puzzle? :-) |
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23:30:12 | linuxstb | Soap: Why have you hijacked the theme site? |
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23:30:49 | jhMikeS | r15636-r15639 vary in whether they work or not but makes no real sense. |
23:30:57 | Soap | redbreva has been going way over his bandwith limit. I wouldn't consider it hijacking - I'm just hosting while a more permanent solution is found. |
23:31:00 | scorche|w | linuxstb: bandwidth |
23:31:19 | scorche|w | bah...cgi:irc lag |
23:31:22 | Soap | We /assumed/ the redirect wouldn't cause any issues with RBUtil. |
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23:33:00 | scorche|w | i didnt even think of RButil... |
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23:33:57 | jhMikeS | amiconn: look at the diff from r15636 to r15638. Why is r15636 ok but not r15638? This is making me insane. |
23:34:02 | Soap | why can't rbutil handle a redirect? |
23:34:03 | jhMikeS | pcmbuf.c |
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23:34:43 | scorche|w | depends how it accesses the tubes |
23:34:46 | linuxstb | Soap: I guess the http library doesn't support it - but I guess Domonoky or Bluebrother are the people to talk to... |
23:34:59 | safetydan | markun: no worries. |
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23:35:47 | safetydan | Soap, some HTTP libraries require you to tell them to follow redirects. Maybe that's not been done. |
23:35:51 | Schinken | hm im missing something like "all files" in the filexplorer |
23:36:03 | Schinken | I want to shuffle a Band-Folder with Albums inside |
23:36:36 | scorche|w | as well, it may just be resolving the name and following the IP |
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23:38:30 | Bagder | scorche|w: how else would it do it? |
23:38:37 | webguest15 | what is the difference between daily build and 2.4 of Rockbox? |
23:38:56 | Bagder | webguest15: just about everything |
23:39:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: This reminds me of the sort of thing that happened on PP5020 where the real issue was a problem in handling something else. |
23:39:17 | Bagder | 2.4 was a hundred years ago |
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23:40:03 | bobrules | My rockbox version is 1 week should I update? Any major bug fixes or features? |
23:40:08 | scorche|w | Bagder: well, i am trying to think of a way to say it properly, but it doesnt really matter anyway.. |
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23:40:20 | safetydan | Schinken: create a playlist and shuffle that. Rockbox is playlist based. |
23:40:21 | linuxstb | webguest15: Here are some of the changes since 2.4 - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
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23:40:38 | Schinken | safetydan damn.. so i have to create a playlist first :/? |
23:40:39 | bobrules | thx |
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23:41:07 | safetydan | Schinken: yes, but it's not very hard and you don't have to save it anywhere. The manual has more. |
23:43:08 | linuxstb | Looking at the rbutilqt source (httpget.c), it seems to have code to handle 302s... |
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23:43:51 | bobrules | if I update my rockbox will my settings be kept the same? |
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23:44:27 | safetydan | bobrules: yes |
23:44:38 | VDSG | what is the diff between revisions? |
23:44:42 | scorche|w | bobrules: yes, but you can always save your settings to a file just in case |
23:44:43 | bobrules | thank you |
23:44:48 | bobrules | yeah |
23:44:53 | bobrules | that's what I was thinking |
23:45:02 | scorche|w | VDSG: look at the changelog.. |
23:45:13 | scorche|w | commit log, i should say.. |
23:45:40 | Schinken | Hm.. the menupoint "debug" is more interesting with the notice "Keep Out!" |
23:46:18 | bobrules | yeah I'm scared to enter |
23:46:37 | safetydan | which is pretty much the point of that warning :) |
23:47:10 | bobrules | the person who hired JFJ should go too |
23:47:18 | bobrules | oops wrong section |
23:47:20 | * | karashata has hopped into the debug menu several times, not too much in there to be afraid of really, but nothing most normal users would care about |
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23:47:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, strange. r15638 shouldn't change anything in the binary vs r15636. Did you compare maps? |
23:48:13 | bobrules | if I want to backup my settings, All I do is backup the folder .rockbox right? |
23:48:47 | Schinken | hm.. what was reboot on a ipod video 30gb again? |
23:48:54 | safetydan | bobrules: you can back up your settings in the Manage Settings menu on rockbox. The manual will tell you more. |
23:48:59 | Soap | Menu+Select is a hard reboot, Schinken |
23:49:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: haven't yet. |
23:49:11 | bobrules | oh I see |
23:49:29 | Schinken | Soap select is.. which? right one? bottom one? |
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23:50:11 | Soap | Schinken: center |
23:50:21 | Schinken | hehe thx |
23:50:24 | Schinken | im an idiot |
23:50:32 | bobrules | safetydan .cfg right? |
23:50:32 | Schinken | but.. i wasnt far away :D |
23:50:34 | Soap | right would be FF, left would be REV, bottom would be play/pause |
23:50:47 | * | jhMikeS spent enough time yesterday trying 43 different revisions and got tired |
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23:51:50 | Schinken | hm the database is right this what i want.. i think so ;) |
23:52:09 | Soap | I gotta pack up and move to the next town. If anyone knows something redbreva or I can do to fix the rbutil issue (for the current install base would be really nice) please PM me on the forums and I'll do what I can in a few hours. |
23:53:02 | safetydan | bobrules: sure |
23:53:08 | Schinken | hm rockbox is reaaally nice |
23:53:17 | Schinken | with my own theme i wont use anything else... |
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23:55:47 | linuxstb | Soap, scorche|w: Is the problem that rockbox-themes.org always redirects to the home page on rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org, rather than the same page? e.g. http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=112x64x1 goes to http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/ |
23:56:36 | Soap | that sounds very plausable |
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23:58:35 | preglow | amiconn: speex is realtime on all profile on ipod 1-3g, yeah? |
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