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#rockbox log for 2007-12-01

00:04:29bobruleswill rockbox support lyrics in the future?
00:05:01bobrulesor something that will auto open a txt file with the lyric in it
00:05:07DerPapstprobably...
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00:07:47LloreanI wonder if the current patch has been adapted to MoB
00:08:17DerPapstah.. there is already a lyricspatch?
00:08:36LloreanThere's an snc viewer
00:08:45LloreanWhich I believe is a sort of lyrics thingy
00:09:04DerPapstheh.. no idea what snc is ;)
00:09:34LloreanI believe they're synchronized lyrics files
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00:09:39*jhMikeS wants a lyics patch with the bouncing ball that follows the words (since it's only proper :)
00:09:43roolkuit also plays lrc, lrc8 and embedded (in mp3) lyrics
00:09:56DerPapstwow
00:10:05Lloreanroolku: Why's it restricted to MP3?
00:10:06DerPapstsounds nice ;)
00:10:13Lloreanroolku: And has it been updated to use MoB?
00:10:14roolkuit is nice :)
00:10:21bobrulesdo I have to patch my rockbox manually?
00:10:55pixelmaIIRC there are even 2 lyrics patches
00:10:56DerPapstbobrules: you have to get the rockbox source, patch it and compile it yourself
00:11:37bobrulesno thanks
00:11:44pixelmathe other one is older and probably not mainted but if I'm not confusing something it supports embedded lyrics
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00:12:19bobrulesmy windows player reads a .lrc file
00:12:26bobrulesI have one for all of my songs
00:13:23roolkubobrules: well, then you definitely need sncviewer :)
00:14:00DerPapstis it a plugin or actually displayed in the wps?
00:14:29roolkuit probably needs some adjustments to work properly after mob
00:14:36roolkuDerPapst: plugin
00:14:44DerPapstaha
00:14:58bobrulesso I don't have to compile myself?
00:15:14roolkubobrules: unless you find someone to do it for you
00:15:49DerPapstbut before someone has to sync the patch or am i wrong?
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00:16:19roolkublimey, it has already been updated...I wonder if I should commit it (FS #7432)
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00:16:50*DerPapst looks
00:17:05Lloreanroolku: It's restricted to MP3 metadata for embedded tags?
00:17:37Lloreanand does it use metadata on buffer?
00:17:42Rilesanyone know why an iriver iHP-140 would load the rockbox boot loader and then just sit there? its got the .rockbox dir... perfect directory structure... any ideas?
00:17:55RilesI did however buy this iriver in korea.
00:17:57RilesFYI
00:18:49D|STORT|ONi got ipod classic fimware on my 5.5g :p
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00:19:03D|STORT|ONorange text / icons in the main menue
00:19:13LloreanRiles: Is it definitely FAT32 formatted?
00:19:24LloreanD|STORT|ON: That has nothing to do with Rockbox, at all.
00:19:25Rilesyes thing works just fine in regular mode
00:19:51D|STORT|ONwhy dose rockbox eat my battery like as if i was watching a movie ?
00:20:14LloreanD|STORT|ON: The hardware is undocumented, which means we aren't using things as efficiently as would be ideal.
00:20:27LloreanRiles: And what's the last line on the bootloader screen?
00:20:48roolkuLlorean: yes, and there is a lot of scope of using MOB for storage of lyrics - currently it accesses the disk for every track
00:20:48Rilesi think its the voltage
00:20:51D|STORT|ONeh
00:20:55Rilesreading
00:21:05roolkuLlorean: but then I am not sure if we want all this functionality in the core
00:21:22Lloreanroolku: Well, better to discuss it with some people before committing, either way
00:21:36Lloreanroolku: Embedded lyrics can surely at least be stored on buffer when normal metadata is parsed, at the very least.
00:22:19LloreanRiles: No, I mean "Turn it on, and tell me exactly what the last line says"
00:22:31roolkuroolku: yeah, but this would mean all the parsing code would have to go to the core
00:22:36bobrulescan rockbox open .lrc files as txt right now?
00:22:45*roolku talks to himself
00:22:48Rilesk 1 sec
00:23:04linuxstbroolku: Not necessarily the parsing code, just enough code to load them into the buffer. I've no idea what the format is though.
00:23:07roolkuLlorean: also it would castrate the editing functionality
00:23:09RilesRockbox boot loader
00:23:11Rilesversion 6
00:23:24Rilesbatt: 4.03V
00:23:31Rilesthats it
00:23:42Lloreanroolku: At the same time, it'd open the way to having Lyrics in the WPS, which might be preferred.
00:23:44roolkulinuxstb: it supports a various formats in various encodings
00:24:03Lloreanroolku: I'm just saying, get some feedback all around. Maybe post to the -dev mailing list about it.
00:24:12Llorean"Is this how we want lyrics done in Rockbox?" etc.
00:24:22LloreanRiles: And yet you say dual boot works fine?
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00:24:36Rilesyup
00:25:02LloreanRiles: And you've tried actually playing music in the original firmware after dual booting?
00:25:09Rilesyup
00:25:12Rilesworks fine
00:25:33LloreanAnd what format and type exactly is the partition?
00:25:49Rilesfat32 I would assume.. i would have to check
00:25:53Riles1 sec
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00:26:39roolkuconsidering that we definitely don't want editing of lyrics in the core, the plugin would still be justified as an editor
00:26:56Lloreanroolku: Can't the files simply be opened in the text editor for that/
00:26:57Llorean?
00:26:59RilesLlorean: its fat32
00:27:02Rilesfor sure
00:27:03LloreanRiles: And type?
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00:27:20roolkuit wouldn't impact whether there were provisions for (limited) lyrics display in the core
00:28:01roolkuLlorean: no, I am talking about synchronising the lyrics to the music
00:28:04RilesLlorean can you be more specific? Oh its a logical disk it says.
00:28:11DerPapstroolku: and how would you save the modified lyrics back to the metadata if that isn't in the core? can the plugin handle that?
00:28:29LloreanRiles: 0x0b or 0x0c. If you're on linux, fdisk -l should show them, I think.
00:28:35Rilesk
00:28:37Riles1 sec
00:28:48DerPapstiirc ipodpatcher can that too
00:28:54roolkuDerPapst: that exactly is the problem - it only works if the lyrics are stored on disk and read from disk
00:29:16jhMikeSamiconn: now I'm getting really interesting stuff. r15637 (which ran) and r15637 (which crashed) now both show the battery low problem (those are before the LCD update). This happens using the latest SVN bootloader. Now if I run them using the bootloader from that time, they're both starting. :\
00:29:32roolkuone could in theory extend the plugin api to allow this kind of manipulation, but it certainly isn't kiss
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00:29:38DerPapst./ipodpatcher −−list if i'm not wrong
00:30:36Lloreanroolku: Does it have button mappings for all targets, at least?
00:30:41amiconnjhMikeS: Yeah, they don't have that extra delay, and the current bootloader is faster due to the lcd speedups
00:30:51jhMikeSchange that to r15638 (which crashed)
00:30:58DerPapstroolku: hmm... then the user has to deal with it ;)
00:30:59linuxstbroolku: Llorean just beat me to it, but what targets does it run on? Does it work on hwcodec?
00:31:31LloreanI really don't like the idea of it being restricted to MP3 for embedded lyrics though
00:31:41D|STORT|ON›› WinAmp 5.0.5.0 ::: Trivium - Becoming The Dragon ::: >x< ::: 00:17/04:43 ::: Bitrate: 224Kbps ::: PlayPos: 7/13 ::: Repeat/Shuffle: off/on
00:31:42LloreanIf it's going to go in, it either shouldn't support them, or it should support all of the metadata we do.
00:31:48LloreanD|STORT|ON: Do NOT do that.
00:32:03jhMikeSbut now they're both running? I have a carefully compiled list of which builds started and which didn't and notes about what happened. Repeated checks were made.
00:32:06roolkulinuxstb: I don't think it works on HWCODEC, but afaict on most SWCODECs
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00:32:15D|STORT|ONlol ok
00:32:44*jhMikeS also keeps forgetting the older build didn't set that register
00:32:47D|STORT|ONso is there away to improve the battery life with rockbox ?
00:32:56D|STORT|ONcuzz i like idoom
00:33:15bobrulesuse lowest brightness
00:33:26LloreanD|STORT|ON: Rockbox doesn't have iDoom.
00:33:36D|STORT|ONthe rockbox i installed did
00:33:38LloreaniDoom is a part of iPodLinux. Rockbox has a Doom plugin, but they're two different things.
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00:33:42D|STORT|ONsome rock box loader .exe
00:33:56D|STORT|ONi used
00:33:57*jhMikeS tries r15635 which gave an undefined instruction
00:34:07DerPapstyes. get an arm decompiler and dive though some disassembled formwares for portalplayer tragets and try to figure out how to switch of not needed hardware and how to init it again.
00:35:54bobrulesanyone notice that crossfade is buggy?
00:36:02jhMikeSno ;)
00:36:23bobrulesit doesn't always work smoothly for me
00:37:38jhMikeSok, r15635 indeed still crashes
00:39:02bobrulescan anyone explain how the VU demo works?
00:39:11bobrulesVU meter
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00:40:35bobrulesnvm
00:40:38bobrulesit's in the manual
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00:42:18roolkuI am tempted to market sncviewer as a lyrics editor that can import various lyrics files and always writes standard lrc8 files (lrc in utf-8)
00:42:56bobruleslyric is always useful, I sing a lot
00:43:01DerPapstwithout putting anything n the core?
00:43:14roolkuin the future there could be limited lyrics functionality in the core that reads these lrc8 files (only?) and displays them in the WPS
00:43:46DerPapstwithout loading them from the metadata?
00:43:52DerPapst:P
00:44:31roolkuthere are still a few undecided problems - the text needs to be wrapped to screen width and the line length can be potentially quite long
00:44:59roolkuDerPapst: depends what you mean by metadata - it would work like album art currently
00:45:06pixelmasomeone also had a look at the other lyrics patch?
00:45:47DerPapstroolku; i mean the lyrics embedden in the song file (e.g. mp3)
00:45:57roolkupixelma: the only other one I know just reads the unsynchronised lyrics from mp3 and displays them as text
00:46:29pixelmayes, that's the one I mean
00:46:36roolkuDerPapst: hence the (only?) - I am quite happy with lrc(8) files
00:47:22roolkupixelma: that is a niche marked that sncviewer doesn't cater for (yet) ;)
00:47:56DerPapstroolku: i would probably happy with that either... since i don't have much lyroics anyways ;)
00:48:40DerPapstadd 'be' where it fits
00:49:20*DerPapst 's grammer and spelling mistake ratio increases dramatically past midnight :P
00:49:22roolkuhave a quick look at the documentation: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7432?getfile=14790 no way this would get into the core
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00:53:56linuxstbroolku: My first reaction is that the plugin is very bloated - which makes it hard to maintain. Does it _really_ need all those features, including cuesheet editing?
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00:55:19roolkulinuxstb: well cue sheets are only a special case of lyrics for the plugin and I think it is quite handy if you have a cue sheet that doesn;t quite match your audio file
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00:55:51linuxstbI would love a cuesheet editor, it just doesn't feel right in a lyrics viewer...
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00:56:23linuxstbIt more like the spliteditor plugin in my mind.
00:56:25jhMikeSamiconn: perhaps of interest -> jhmikes.cleansoap.org/diff.txt">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/diff.txt
00:56:28linuxstb^It's
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00:57:27roolkuroolku: well, it is really exactly the same functionality as editing lyrics - edit text and set time points
00:57:41*roolku must stop talking to himself
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01:00:35roolkulinuxstb: it has evolved quite a bit (I am using a heavily modified version of an older revision) and some of the functionality that replicates the WPS might be over the top
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01:00:41linuxstbroolku: OK, I'm convinced cue editing and lyric editing are very similar.
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01:01:47roolkubut it is easy to get used to it - when I am using the gigabeat in the cradle, I almost always run the plugin instead of the wps
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01:05:55pixelmaroolku: the patch I find more interesting (since 95% of the lyrics I have are stored in plain txt anyways) and which ypi seem to maintain recently is the mod plugin. IIRC amiconn was also interested in committing it but found out that there could be licence problems (don't remember the details). Do you know anything about it?
01:06:09pixelmas/ypi/you
01:07:23roolkupixelma: iirc it is based on mikimod - I'll have a quick look
01:08:37roolkupixelma: but I though the consensus was that a module player that could play all the other formats it and xm and whatnot was preferable
01:09:07amiconnIt's not mikmod based afaik
01:09:48roolkupixelma: regarding your plaintext lyrics files - with sncviewer you could change that quickly ;)
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01:10:58pixelmaroolku: I didn't know there was a consensus - just remember that amiconn said this is simple enough code that there is a /possibility/ to make it work on hwcodec
01:11:03roolkuamiconn: yep. it says "an old open source module player for gravis ultrasound"
01:11:05amiconn"It is based on an old open source module player for gravis ultrasound (unfortunately I forgot the name, if anyone finds out please inform me)."
01:11:27*amiconn actually prefers lyrics in plaintext
01:11:28pixelmadid I mention gravis ultrasound? :P
01:12:02DerPapstyep... gravis ultrasound
01:12:22DerPapstand it only plays mod files up to ~480kb?
01:12:31amiconnAn old open source mod player with no name is not specific enough to find out which license it is under, and hence whether it's gpl compatible
01:12:53roolkuDerPapst: this could be changed now that we have MOB
01:13:01amiconnDerPapst: That's due to _where_ it loads the mods, and should be solvable
01:13:05bobruleswhat is MOB?
01:13:43linuxstb_bobrules: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBuffer
01:13:47roolkuamiconn: I shall google a little...
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01:14:37DerPapstthough no s3m, xm, it and stuff...
01:14:48amiconnroolku: The name "Tammo 'kb' Hinrichs" popped up the last time this patch was discussed, and I googled a bit
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01:16:17DerPapstgoogle code knows more :-) http://tinyurl.com/2pno38
01:16:55DerPapstit's GPL
01:17:30roolkucool :)
01:18:19DerPapstigore me... the dude who modified it doesn't seem to know the licence either but re-released it under gpl :-/
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01:19:09DerPapsthttp://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=de&q=show:PXra8n68LLg:e0Ejuy_Lx9I:U9hA0u_Hk7c&sa=N&ct=rd&cs_p=http://membres.lycos.fr/matkeupon/src/smash/SmashGp2xsrc.zip&cs_f=SmashGp2xsrc/c/Source/modplayer.c&start=1
01:19:31DerPapstif you read the comment..
01:19:43DerPapstsome old demo code he found
01:19:58roolku:(
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01:26:40roolkuDerPapst: I don't think it is the same code or it has been at least *heavily* modified
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02:05:11psycho_maniacFor those of you intrested. I added my ExampleWPS to the ipod5g and gigabeatF wps wiki page just now.
02:06:32linuxstbpsycho_maniac: Wouldn't it be better on either the CustomWps or SimpleGuideToWpsMaking pages, as it's aimed at WPS authors, rather than users?
02:07:02psycho_maniacyeah. I really didnt know where to put it first off hand.
02:10:23linuxstbpreglow: Are you around?
02:10:28psycho_maniacin the CustomWPs page would it be a good idea to place it under the "Example File" header?
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02:12:05PaulJampsycho_maniac: if you are going to edit CustomWPS, i noticed a littel error. in the example line for the %?fc (codec) tac there is the conditional for SPC missing. it would be nice if you could add taht.
02:12:15linuxstbpsycho_maniac: Yes, I think so.
02:15:11psycho_maniacok PaulJam i see what your saying. ill fix that.
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02:15:50psycho_maniacshould i have a picture also under "example files"? or would make make it seem cluttered?
02:16:38linuxstbI've just fixed the %fc description (and reverted the WMA->SoundCodecWMA change)
02:17:30psycho_maniacYeah I just noticed then when i clicked edit.
02:17:59PaulJamthank you.
02:18:10psycho_maniacshould i post a link and picture or just the link to my example wps?
02:18:33linuxstbIMO the picture would be useful.
02:23:08Soapcan you make every line a conditional to the hold button status so you can display twice the info?
02:23:09SoapOR
02:23:54SoapCan you have the WPS show data when hold is off, and tags when hold is on? As in "Here's the WPS" (switch hold) "Here's how it works!" ;)
02:24:25SoapJust firing off ideas, not trying to detract from the work you've already done.
02:25:12psycho_maniacoh thats a good idea
02:26:26psycho_maniacwell at least this is a start.
02:26:42SoapMakes me think there should be a conditional on backlight status. You could have a tease of a WPS where there is a pretty girl in a bathing suit as a background, and when the backlight goes out, her clothes disappear.
02:28:59PaulJamSoap: you can't have the backdrop in a conditional.
02:29:54Soapthen make the bikini an overlay image
02:32:21DerPapsthaha
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02:35:12ddaltondoes anyone know why id3->elapsed is not declared for the quick screen in screens.c? but furtherdow the file for the id3 list "track info" it is. why is this?
02:35:17ddaltonits all in the same file
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02:38:46linuxstbddalton: I'm not sure what you mean - id3->elapsed isn't used anywhere in screens.c
02:39:51psycho_maniacadded both example wps's to the CustomWPS page :)
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02:43:02Klevi.. i had a question... but dropped it entirely... >.<
02:44:09KleviVLC can encode.. can it encode a ripped dvd movie to Mpeg2?
02:44:23Klevi*assuming Winff wont handle it*
02:47:15Klevioh... well the wiki pointed at something that may work (Vlc auto transcoding) I'll try it.
02:47:54Soapffmpeg is so much more flexible than VLC. If you can get Winff working, I strongly suggest it.
02:48:29LloreanWinFF accepts decrypted VOBs as input.
02:48:50LloreanI recommend using a tool to merge them and strip out all non-movie data such as trailers, special features, etc, though
02:50:37psycho_maniacon some dvds those non movie stuff are seperate vob files
02:50:50ddaltonwhat about in the track info menu. ok id3->length then
02:50:58ddaltonthat fails with the quick screen part...
02:52:03psycho_maniacdo vob files include sound?
02:52:09linuxstbddalton: I'm not sure how the track info menu relates to the quick screen - what are you trying to do?
02:53:16linuxstbpsycho_maniac: Yes. VOB files are basically the same format as mpegplayer files - multiplexed audio and video streams in an MPEG Program Stream, but with extra DVD-specific packets as well.
02:54:33Klevihm sadly in this i cant find just the whole movie... just split sections of it.
02:57:22linuxstbKlevi: This isn't really on-topic for this channel. You could try visiting the specialist video-encoding websites/forums, such as doom9.org and reading their guides to DVD ripping/converting. Or try searching for help with winff - it's not a Rockbox specific tool.
02:57:35KleviMmkay, thanks
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03:07:32ddaltonlinuxstb: ok sdoyon and I have this patch which changes the quick screen to a voice one. That has stuff like speaking battery level as an option time clips on/off tracklock etc. I want to simply voice the elapsed variable if playback is playing when left is pressed in the quick screen. I think I have it worked out ok. But my only error is that id3->elapsed isn't declared.
03:08:02ddaltonif I go down the file and type talk_value(id3->elapsed, UNINT_TIME_EXACT, true); in the id3 viewer stuff it works.
03:08:08ddaltonIll double check that actually
03:09:07psycho_maniacanybody see the new rockbox towers wiki page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TowerOfRockbox
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03:14:22linuxstbddalton: There is no reason why it shouldn't work. You just need to add the line " struct mp3entry* id3 = audio_current_track();" at the start of the function, and you can then access the id3 struct for the current track.
03:15:00linuxstbI would expect that function to return NULL if playback isn't playing.
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03:19:19ddalton talk_value(id3->elapsed, UNIT_TIME_EXACT, true);
03:19:33ddaltonoops
03:19:56ddaltonwell the patch has the quick screen in a function and I am putting the line talk_value(id3->elapsed, UNIT_TIME_EXACT, true);
03:20:35ddaltonin that function. So how come 100 lines down id3->elapsed works fine but it doesn't in a function 100 lines up?
03:21:14linuxstbIs "id3" declared in your function?
03:21:25ddaltonno
03:21:52ddaltonisn't id3 a struct and it works in lots of places in rockbox id3->elapsed
03:22:21linuxstbNo, it's not a global variable.
03:22:47linuxstbYou need to do what I said a few lines ago - call the audio_current_track().
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03:23:35ddaltonoh so how do I get the elapsed playing time from say the menus?
03:24:23ddaltonin
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03:24:46linuxstbYou need to do what I said a few lines ago - call the audio_current_track() function...
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03:27:43ddaltonok so why can playback.c use id3->elapsed and why could I use it in case 10 for the id3 viewer?
03:27:59ddaltonif its not global?
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03:31:38KleviRadio problem, recently noted that either my Sansa's Antennae is broken... or that the Radio isnt being tuned properly.
03:31:47KleviI cant pickup and stations at all
03:32:18Klevier, any rather.
03:33:15linuxstbddalton: Because the functions in playback.c declare it (and get its value from somewhere) before using it. Which is what I'm trying to explain that you need to do...
03:33:58pixelmaKlevi: as I said, the radio support is a bit unstable on c200 still
03:34:12Klevi. how do I get to "scan" mode
03:35:11pixelmawhat I do - either reboot or if that doesn't help, booting the sandisk OF and starting the radio once there does
03:35:15KleviI can only flip between presets ive made.
03:35:40KleviPixelma.. actually i just tried that... and now the radio works at least.
03:35:58pixelma"Rec" changes between preset and scan mode
03:36:04Kleviah
03:36:05Kleviok
03:36:19Klevidanke =
03:36:23Klevi*=)
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03:36:51pixelmamaybe that can be improved later, don't know it's not easy to find proper keybindings
03:36:54pixelma:)
03:37:44Lloreanpixelma: "Rec" is a very bad button for this, I think
03:37:45Klevihow about RDS support
03:37:53Klevi;)
03:38:26KleviShouldnt record, thinking logically, be used to capture from the radio? lol
03:38:42pixelmaLlorean: yes maybe, but currently you can't record from the radio screen anyways (on swcodec)
03:38:47KleviIm kidding with the sarcasm.
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03:39:21Lloreanpixelma: Yes, but the Record button could shortcut to the recording screen. Either way, it should be kept free for future use (if possible)
03:39:42pixelmaLlorean: and that mapping wasn't thought through much just getting it to work, I admit
03:40:09LloreanWell the e200 had "Rec" to switch modes too, for a while at least.
03:40:34KleviIt works as it is.. heh.
03:43:40pixelmaLlorean: if it is possible on the Ondio to have a button for recording in the radio one should think that it is possible on the c200 too - though you switch preset/scan mode through the menu there but 3 more buttons on the c200...
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04:20:37blkthndrI have a problem with my H10, I booted into the original firmware and my music folder became hidden. I'm not running windows so I cannot unhide the folder. I know I can view it using the view all files option, but there are other folders I would like to remain hidden, is there any way I can fix this without creating a new folder?
04:24:29blkthndrI'm using ubuntu as my os, but also have access to a mac, if either of these can change the hidden status of the folder
04:24:52krazykitblkthndr, they should be able to. consult their documentation on how to unset the "hidden" attribute.
04:25:48blkthndrthe problem is they do not register as hidden to either of them, only to windows and rockbox
04:28:17krazykitblkthndr, install mtools, and check out the man page for mattrib. you should be able to fix it that way.
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04:30:19blkthndrthanks krazykit will try this
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05:15:48DrCrowThe original firmware on the the zvm uses blowfish encryption, i wanted to look at the file.
05:16:45DrCrowI'm trying to use the command line tool
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08:33:29ddaltonanyone see anything wrong with my patch?
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08:34:35ddaltonhey can someone commit a very simple patch?
08:34:57ddaltonif everyone is happy with it of course
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08:39:16ddaltonhow do I install sdl properly?
08:39:31ddaltonwhen I try to build my simulator build it says that...
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09:19:45Liborhi
09:23:26Libori want download svn, used command ../cygwin/bin/svn.exe co svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk (command svn no work for me) a it say svn: no repository found in 'svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk'
09:23:59ddaltonLibor: is svn installed?
09:24:09ddaltontype svn to check
09:24:25Liborcommand not found
09:24:34psycho_maniacyou have to do the whole command "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox"
09:24:39ddaltonyou don't have svn installed.
09:24:44Liborbut in directory bin i have svn.exe
09:24:56ddaltonyou typed exactly what I said the same case and all? "svn" with out the quotes?
09:24:56psycho_maniacare you uisng vmware or cywgin?
09:25:09Liborcygwin
09:25:23Liborddalton yes
09:25:31ddaltonoh not linux... um ok so you can't just grab it from the repo
09:26:09ddaltonLibor: when you ran the cygwin package installer could you choose what to install somewhere?
09:26:36ddaltonlike different unix software. eg. emacs, nano etc
09:26:49Liboryes
09:27:37ddaltonLibor: ok enter that screen. (Not the rockbox packages but the normal ones that you can get from cygwin)
09:27:53ddaltonsorry im not on windows so can't help you with that.
09:27:57ddaltonhang on one sec
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09:28:34ddaltondid I miss something?
09:29:16Libori don´t know what exactly you want
09:29:28psycho_maniacddalton: after you said "hang on one sec" ?
09:29:29ddaltonim trying to help you...
09:29:38Liboryea
09:29:43ddaltonyeah
09:29:47Liborbut what screen you want?
09:30:02psycho_maniacDiDjCodt: you didnt miss anything
09:30:10ddaltonoh the one where you can install packages. I think you choose a nearer from memory
09:30:24ddaltonso not the rockbox one...
09:31:10psycho_maniacddalton: you didnt miss anything *
09:31:11ddaltonlet me read the instructions or do you know?
09:31:45Liborfrom cygwin setup?
09:31:52ddaltonyep
09:33:34Liborthis http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/788/rockboxjg8.jpg ?
09:33:48ddaltonI am blind
09:33:53ddaltonsorry
09:34:04ddaltonI can't exactly look at it...
09:35:08ddaltonanyway tell me some of the things on your screen
09:35:33Liborarchive, audio, base, devel
09:35:54ddaltonoh sounds good to me and your didn't choose the rockbox nearer?
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09:36:00ddaltonyou
09:37:13LiborI add url http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ and download what I need (i hope)
09:38:24ddaltonno.
09:38:26ddaltonthats wrong.
09:38:44ddaltonyou need to choose any nearer except that one from the list...
09:39:15ddaltondid you follow the instructions on setting up the base or whatever before proceeding with installing the rockbox compilers?
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09:40:29LiborI did exactly like this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
09:43:24Liborfirst install cygwin from url (with add thins what rockbox need) and then I install next things from http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ (but it doesn´t view in list, but i hope i install it, because in install directory there is directory with http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ and there are things what i needed to install)
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09:44:07ddaltonI don't have time to read it but did you first just choose a random nearer from the list. Basically have you ever chosen a different nearer to down.rockbox.org/cygwin?
09:44:19ddaltondownload
09:44:24Liboryea
09:44:55ddaltonok go to the first one. a non rockbox nearer. do that now
09:45:13Liborok
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09:52:43Libor?
09:52:50Liborwhat now?
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09:57:34Liborddalton
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10:02:30ddaltonwhat?
10:04:02Liborwhat next?
10:04:21bertrikIt looks like the reboot on USB plug-in is doing something nasty on my sansa e200
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10:04:51bertrikIt only works about half the time, but when it works, it causes some ADC values to change
10:05:57bertrikFor example, the ADC_CVDD value is 460 instead of the normal 480, suggesting that the core voltage is somehow lowered
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10:08:03bertrikI'm now monitoring the charger configuration register in one of the debug screens, and this one also gives an weird reading after a reboot
10:08:07pixelmacould the weird/wrong battery voltage that is shown when you get into USB charging be related
10:08:09pixelma?
10:08:30bertrikSomehow it's now configured to charge with 200 mA up to 4.25V, while the OF never charged further than 4.0V
10:09:01bertrikpixelma: weird/wrong battery voltage?
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10:10:15bertrikI do see that the ADC_BCDD voltage is about 0.5V higher than the actual expected battery voltage during charging
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10:10:32pixelmaif you monitor the battery voltage in the debug screen when charging in Rockbox (holding select on USB plug) it shows 4,6V and up
10:10:51pixelmathat must be wrong
10:11:42bertrikI agree
10:12:31bertrikPerhaps sandisk put a diode between the charge input and the battery and we're seeing the drop across the diode
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10:25:38bertrikWeird, the system_reboot function tries to turn the backlight off before rebooting, but it remains on
10:26:13bertrikPerhaps the i2c transfer is aborted and leaving the i2c in a confused state causing the weird values to be written to the AS3514
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11:39:55linuxstbXavierGr: Are you around?
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12:03:28XavierGrlinuxstb: just a little bit
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12:15:14linuxstbXavierGr: I noticed that you added a note to WMA in the wiki saying that seeking was buggy. I was wonder what bug(s) you found.
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12:17:25XavierGrehm I asked preglow about it (because the tick on seeking was missing), and he told me that wma seeking was buggy
12:18:51linuxstbAh, OK. I told preglow that I had problems seeking in long files, so that's probably what he meant. It still doesn't work properly after saratoga's latest change, but at least it's not crashing now...
12:18:51XavierGrit's true though that I didn't test it myself, so if there are no bugs it should be corrected
12:19:14linuxstbI'm trying to debug it now.
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12:49:36bughunter2hey, anyone here?
12:49:45bughunter2i'm thinking about a new mp3 player, can rockbox run on archos 204?
12:50:09Soapno
12:50:14bughunter2ouch
12:50:41bughunter2i'm looking for a normal mp3 player that can browse for files by files, not by tags
12:50:46bughunter2are those still for sale? real good ones?
12:51:03bughunter2and easy file copying by using windows explorer instead of things like iTunes etc?
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12:51:33Domonokybughunter2: all rockboxable players can do this, with rockbox of course :-)
12:51:50bughunter2heh ;)
12:51:52Domonokytake a look at the main page for supported players
12:51:58bughunter2look
12:52:04bughunter2two years ago i bought iriver h340se
12:52:15bughunter2one year later the battery didn't work quite well anymore
12:52:25bughunter2when rockbox boots, i have like 4.12v
12:52:32bughunter210 minutes later it can suddenly drop to 3.55
12:52:38Soapthen buy a new battery
12:52:40bughunter2and rockbox turns itself off, while other days it just works fine
12:52:58bughunter2but the batteries are dead really quick on this iriver >_<
12:53:05Soapand stop using the Enter key as a comma, please.
12:53:12Domonokybuy a new battery, they are really cheap..
12:53:13bughunter2okay :)
12:53:36bughunter2special iriver batteries or .. ?
12:54:15Domonokybughunter2: search the wiki, there is some info about the batterys for iriver hxxx
12:54:25bughunter2great, thank you
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13:01:24bughunter2Domonoky: maybe i'm looking in the wrong place but i can't find anything about batteries and replacing them?
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13:05:39webguest46bughunter2: you might also find some info on replacing the battery here: http://www.misticriver.net/forums/h3xx-series-320-340/
13:06:33bughunter2thanks
13:06:50n1sNico_P: care to answer some stupid questions about bufferin? :)
13:06:56Nico_Psure
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13:08:23n1sI was thinking and fiddeling a bit with the midi codec idea and realised that I really didn't know how this works... where should I call the file parser/loader? is it ok in the metadata reader or will that be called more than once for a file?
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13:09:23Nico_Pthe playback code only uses get_metadata once per file, but the database also uses it
13:10:14n1sNico_P: do you have a suggestion from where it should be called?
13:10:24Nico_Pit might be better to sparate that from get_metadata though... and call it from audio_load_track
13:11:59n1sok, another thing I thought about was the bufalloc function, if I understand correctly it want's a pointer to the data to load but I really can't load all those patches into memory, they should go directly to the buffer...
13:12:32Nico_Pthen git bufalloc a NULL pointer and then write to the buffer it gives you
13:12:38Nico_Ps/git/give
13:13:03Nico_Pyou need to know the size in advance though
13:14:25Nico_Pn1s: are the patches individual files?
13:14:36n1sNico_P: yes
13:14:45Nico_Pthen maybe you could use bufopen on each ofthem
13:15:02Nico_Pthere is a small overhead for the handles though
13:15:52n1swould i just pass the handle id from bufalloc to bufgetdata to get a pointer?
13:16:19n1s(as there are other things than patches to load...
13:16:36Nico_Pyes
13:17:17Nico_Pbut be careful of the wrapping... you might want to use a nonwrapping data type
13:17:40n1sand then how would i give the handle ids to the codec? (did i mention that i don't know how this works :))
13:17:47Nico_Phmm actually bufalloc doesn't allow wrapping
13:18:46Nico_PI think it would be best to write a callback func in playback.c and add it to the codec API
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13:19:38linuxstb_Nico_P: Can I also ask a basic question about MoB? I understand that the metadata is stored in the buffer when the track is initially buffered. But what happens when the track is being played? Must the metadata be copied to static structs, or can it be left in the buffer?
13:20:52ZagorI see a usb serial driver committed. has anyone tried it yet (I'm on a train without my sansa for a few more hours)
13:21:14linuxstb_Zagor: I don't think anyone has mentioned it in IRC.
13:21:14Nico_Plinuxstb_: currently it is copied to a static struct because the codec needs a pointer to it, so we can't make it use the metadata from the main buffer... without this limitation we could use only the on-buffer metadata quite fine
13:21:36Nico_Pactually I think austriacoder said something about it
13:21:47linuxstb_Nico_P: Sure - he committed it...
13:22:02Nico_Pyeah but I think he said something about it in IRC too
13:22:15n1sNico_P: sorry for being dense but how would this callback work?
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13:22:45linuxstb_Nico_P: I know, I assumed Zagor was asking about people other than austriancoder.
13:23:01Nico_Plinuxstb_: ah;, ok :)
13:23:34Nico_Pn1s: the codec API has a pointer to it, so the codec doesn't call it direclty but still uses it... the callbacks are defined in playback.c as codec_*_callback
13:24:00Zagorlinuxstb_: thanks for translating :-)
13:24:36Nico_Pn1s: they are executed on the codec thread and have access to the playback.c code
13:24:50linuxstb_Nico_P: Going back to the metadata, am I right in thinking that it can potentially be moved around the buffer to prevent holes appearing?
13:25:01Nico_Plinuxstb_: it is
13:26:01Nico_Pthe sequential order of handles in memory is always kept the same though, so maybe it's not exactly what you were suggesting
13:26:53n1sNico_P: would this callback be called (indirectly) by the codec and would return relevant handle ids, which playback.c would have to remember then?
13:27:52Nico_Pn1s: yes, except I think it would be even better if it returned something like a pointer to the patches the codec can use directly... the callback would do the hID->pointer translation
13:28:22bertrikZagor: I'll try it tomorrow
13:28:30Nico_Pthat way the codec completely abstracts itself from the way the patches are stored
13:30:03Zagorbertrik: yeah me too
13:30:18Nico_Pn1s: look at codec_filebuf_callback and codec_request_buffer_callback for examples
13:30:33n1sNico_P: i think I'm slowly getting this... to check 1) audio_load_track calls the file loader which uses buffalloc (for structs) and bufopen (for patches) and saves handle ids somewhere 2) codec calls callback which retrieves handle ids from that same somewhere and gives the codec pointers
13:30:50Nico_Pn1s: yes
13:31:14Zagor I read in the log that austriancoder wants the driver settings back. I wonder if multiple configurations would be a better solution than switching manually. that way the stack would be storage until you start logf_reader (or whatever) on the host
13:31:27Nico_PI'd say the biggest problem left is where to store the handle IDs :)
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13:32:35n1sNico_P: well if they are just ints a static array of 10 or so wouldn't be too bad (but nasty of course)
13:33:08Nico_Pno, it would be fine I guess... I'm afraid there aren't many other ways
13:33:25Nico_Pmaybe the buffering API should provide a way to get the handle IDs
13:33:42linuxstb_Zagor: How would that work? Are you saying that you could attach your device to a computer, and it would connect as a UMS device, but then starting logf_reader on the host would switch the device to Serial?
13:34:12*Nico_P is off for a few mins
13:34:26n1sNico_P: thanks for the answers :)
13:34:46Nico_Pn1s: you're welecome :)
13:35:05Zagorlinuxstb_: yes, possibly. I need to read up more about multiple configurations. or perhaps bertrik already knows?
13:35:26linuxstb_Is it possible for both to be active at the same time?
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13:58:38Robin_Wattspreglow: You about ?
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14:09:28Zagorlinuxstb: no, the controller (at least on the sansa) doesn't have enough endpoints to have both at the same time
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14:32:13Robin_WattsAny devs here at all?
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14:38:33donTommazohello. I have a question about Rockbox on iRiver H120. anyone willing to help?
14:39:04Robin_WattsI'm also looking for a dev at the moment, but it seems quiet on here...
14:39:06DerPapstno. because you haven't asked a question
14:39:56donTommazois it possible to install Rockbox just to try it out, and go back to the retail iriver firmware if I don't like it.
14:40:04DerPapstyes
14:40:17PaulJamdonTommazo: you can even dual boot
14:40:32*Robin_Watts asks a question then... I've got some optimisations for the central speex qmf_synth routine on ARM. Anyone interested ?
14:40:54donTommazooh, really? dual boot would be fine! why I would like to try Rockbox is because I don't like the firmwares way to handle recording.
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14:41:12DerPapstRobin_Watts: i bet a lot of people are interested :)
14:41:22DerPapsthave you put the patch on the tracker already?
14:41:27jmspeexRobin_Watts: I am. preglow might be as well
14:41:38moosdonTommazo: you will see, Rockbox is another world
14:42:05Robin_Wattsjmspeex: Cool. I was going to do an optimised ARM version of speex, but someone pointed me at Rockbox. Looks like you've done most of the work already.
14:42:20donTommazomoos: how does Rockbox handle recording? how does it do the file naming etc?
14:42:21Robin_WattsI've just got a few tweaks that should improve the central routine.
14:42:42jmspeexRobin_Watts: Actually, preglow did most of the recent work. I did the original ARM work though
14:43:00jmspeexRobin_Watts: what did you optimise exactly?
14:43:07moosdonTommazo: try it out and see, another world like I say you, you can already check the manual for more informations
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14:44:35donTommazothank you very much. is the dual boot option activated by default when installing from rbutilqt?
14:44:43DerPapstyes
14:45:24donTommazookey. fine. again, thank you. If I get problem I'll come back.
14:45:34moosno problems
14:45:39DerPapstbut check the manual first
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14:45:44moosyeah
14:45:46jmspeexRobin_Watts: better move to #speex
14:45:51DerPapstit has some troubleshooting as well
14:45:58Robin_Wattsok
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15:07:46donTommazohello. now I
15:08:52donTommazonow I'm back. I installed the Rockbox firmware with rbutilqt, but when I power on the iRiver, I end up with the original firmware.
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15:09:35donTommazothe installer says that the bootloader is installed, and I have a .rockbox directory in the iRiver.
15:10:03donTommazodoes I have to do any tricks to get the boot loader activated?
15:10:04DomonokydonTommazo: you have to use the firmware upgrade in the OF to install the bootloader rbutilwt put on your player
15:10:23donTommazoah, of course. :-) thanks!
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15:31:15donTommazoDomonyky: now things works just fine. Thank you!
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16:30:24webguest38I'm trying to do a USB charge/connect patch, I've done the config side (made it an enum rrather than a bool and all the menu stuff) but can't get access to the global_settings structure from within firmware/usb.c can someone please point me in the right drection
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16:47:05donTommazohello dear rockboxers. I installed Rockbox to my iRiver H120 earlier today and everything worked fine.
16:48:16donTommazobut some minutes ago, the iRiver hanged up totally and doesn't respond eather to button pushes or USB connection. is there any way to reboot the player?
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16:49:37PaulJamdonTommazo: at the bottom of the device should be a reset button.
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16:50:42webguest38Use a paper clip in the small hole - a pin might damage the switch inside
16:51:12donTommazothat's right. I didn't notice it since it was so small.
16:52:58webguest38is there anyone on on who can help me developing a patch ?
16:53:00Skailyou're lucky you have the reset button at all.. mine doesn't :)
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17:03:23n1swebguest38: you shouldn't access apps code from firmware, make some sort of toggle function that is called as a callback when changing the setting
17:06:37webguest38n1s: Ah, that makes sense, I should declare something in usb.h and mosify it using the callback in the settings_menu.c - right ?
17:07:55n1swebguest38: that would probably work, or you can put the callback function in usb.c whichever you like, (it is done for a couple of other settings, such as backlight timeout)
17:09:03webguest38Backlight timeout is probably a good pointer, thanks. I'll go and see how that is done
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17:18:31webguest38nls: Backlight was an excellent pointer - thanks... it's obvious once you see it! off to play some more (then I have to decide how many differnt combinations of connect/charging/button presses etc we want
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17:56:15XavierGrwow cool, Tower of Rockbox wiki page :)
17:57:27Soapin related news, the link from http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/ to tower.jpg is broken
17:58:14Soaphttp://download.rockbox.org/tower.jpg needs changed to http://download.rockbox.org/device-pictures/tower.jpg
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18:38:57magixwhere can i find the ipod boot loader?
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18:45:25magixwhere can i find the ipod boot loader?
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18:48:44linuxstbmagix:The install instructions in the manual tell you how to install the bootloader (with download links). or are you looking for something else?
18:49:50magixis there anything u can add to the 2nd generation nano?
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18:51:32magixis there anything u can add to the 2nd generation nano?
18:52:03iamben_i dont understand your question
18:52:07magixok
18:52:27magixi have a ipod nano 2nd generation. i did some reading saying i cant play videos if its second generation
18:52:46magixis there anything i can do on my 2nd generation nano?
18:53:40LloreanRockbox does not support the 2nd generation nano
18:53:46LloreanAs is clearly stated on the front page of the site
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18:54:03magixare there any other plugins i can install tho?
18:54:24LloreanThis is #Rockbox, frankly, we don't know, and it's off-topic here anyway. But probably not.
18:54:45magixok
18:54:58magix2nd generation nanos suck then lol
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19:17:05countrymonkeyCan somebody check out 8219 and 8244?
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19:17:43countrymonkeyCan somebody check out 8219 and 8244?
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19:21:29countrymonkeyCan somebody check out task #8219 and 8244?
19:21:59krazykitcountrymonkey, you don't need to spam the same thing over and over. when somebody checks them out, they'll tell you
19:23:27countrymonkeySory, usualy irc is fast so I thought it didn't go through.
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19:27:09zecountrymonkey: irc is only as fast as its users
19:27:52Lloreancountrymonkey: There's no need to come in here and ask about flyspray tasks anyway.
19:27:53countrymonkeyI remember fast-passed discussion on this channel. I guess I was on in one of those fast times.
19:28:07LloreanThe people who are likely to commit them do watch Flyspray.
19:28:47LloreanThe only time there's really a good reason to come in and ask about one is if it's a patch to code, and you're the person working on it and want to know if there's something about it that would keep it from getting in.
19:29:16LloreanOr if it's been on there long enough that it seems like it's getting lost. Which is more than just a few days
19:30:49LloreanThe entire *point* of flyspray is to notify us "Have a look at this patch", so coming in here every time you're interested in one of them is just a good way to get people annoyed with you in the long term.
19:32:22countrymonkeyIt is just since they are language updates, (and czech hasn't been updated in a long time) and those kind of patches can get quickly out-of-date, I thought maybe...
19:32:52n1sAnd since they are translation updates basically only people who understand the language commits them
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19:54:16roolkudoes anyone know why ab_repeat is not enabled for gigabeat ? It works fine.
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20:45:43matmat07How do I install the patch i find on flyspray?
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20:48:06BigBambimatmat07: You need to apply it to the source code then compile
20:48:25matmat07thanks
20:48:32BigBambiTo do that you need a development environment
20:48:41BigBambiI assume you use windows not linux?
20:48:44matmat07yes
20:49:00BigBambiIn which case you can use VMWare or cygwin
20:49:05BigBambiI would recommend VMWare
20:49:26matmat07i'll see what i can do, thanks
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20:49:53BigBambiCheck out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
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20:56:31hanseatichello people
20:58:26hanseaticjust googled for the right mp3 device and found the rockbox project, and it sounds really awsome
20:59:05matmat07so far I have used it its good
20:59:11hanseaticnow i am looking for the right hardware to buy
20:59:32_jzSansa E2xx serie is cheap is good but has a few flaws
20:59:45n1shanseatic: it depends a lot on what is important to you
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21:00:05hanseaticthnx, it should have a "line in" port, a usb host, hd >=20GB
21:00:05n1severy player has it's pros and cons
21:00:12_jz- prioprietary USB connector / micro-SD instead of real SD / open design which leads dust to enter into the device and under the screen
21:00:30_jzhanseatic: sansa is not what you're looking for :)
21:00:32n1shanseatic: rockbox doesn't support usb host on any targets (yet)
21:00:37_jzi'd say Iaudio or iRiver
21:00:45matmat07what would be wrong with the sansa e200?
21:00:58_jzhanseatic: but you can boot the original firmware to use it as a USB host, don't run away scared :)
21:01:08n1shanseatic: however a iriver h300 has those features and the hw for usb host
21:01:12hanseaticok, but i read something that rockbox can boot beside the original firmware
21:01:14_jzmatmat07: like i said : prioprietary USB connector / micro-SD instead of real SD / open design which leads dust to enter into the device and under the screen
21:01:45matmat07oh, sorry, missed that line
21:02:03BigBambihanseatic: If you want a line in on the unit and not through a dock, and usb host, then you want an iriver H300
21:02:05_jznp :)
21:02:10n1shanseatic: on most targets it can (not iaudio without an unofficial patch though)
21:02:12BigBambiBut it'll have to be second hand
21:02:19hanseaticso, there should be the possibility to host other usb devices for casual copy-sessions
21:02:31_jzwhat?!
21:02:38_jzdon't you know that copying is morally wrong ?! :)
21:02:41BigBambiIf you want better recording (optical + line in + out) but no usb host, that'll be the iriver H100
21:02:57_jzonly buying will lead you to the path or righteousness !
21:03:06n1s_jz: pleas stop it
21:03:09n1se
21:03:19BigBambihanseatic: look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
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21:03:35hanseaticthnx, bambi
21:03:37hanseaticthnx all
21:03:38_jzn1s: what should I stop first ? humor or irony ? you tell me and I obey
21:03:59_jzn1s: you know about those two words, right ?
21:04:03BigBambi_jz: I believe he is requesting on-topicness
21:04:05n1s_jz: how about comments that don't add anything to the discussion?
21:04:09Llorean_jz: Both, this is an on topic channel about Rockbox, and for technical discussion
21:04:18BigBambi_jz: And don't be rude please
21:04:25_jzwow
21:04:33hanseaticthe thing is, it should be for a half year trip to afrika, a pc will not travel along
21:04:40_jzok i'll look somewhere else for humorous people
21:04:49_jzsorry for the noise
21:04:49BigBambi_jz: good
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21:05:07hanseaticso it should also store some fotos, and record / copy data given from met friends
21:05:32BigBambihanseatic: You won't get that with rockbox, but most units will duual boot
21:05:47n1shanseatic: well if you really need the usb host thing iriver h300 or iaudio x5 with unofficial patch is probably the way to go
21:05:48BigBambiFor what you want I strngly recommend the iriver H300
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21:06:09hanseatici understand, well the copying part wont be an everyday thing, but it should be possible
21:06:12BigBambin1s: Doesn't the X5 need cradle for line in?
21:06:48n1sBigBambi: possibly it needs the "subpack" thingy, not sure
21:06:57BigBambihanseatic: The H300 officially dual boots, you would need an unofficial patch to do that on the X5 (and as I say I think you need the subpack for line in)
21:07:08BigBambin1s: That's what I thought
21:07:22BigBambiBut I'm not certain
21:09:05n1syep, line in requires the subpack
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21:09:26BigBambiWhat about the usb host?
21:09:43BigBambin1s: Do we have a wiki page for this or are you googling?
21:09:50n1sBigBambi: usb host doesn't however it requires an adapter similar to the h300
21:09:54n1sBigBambi: google
21:09:56BigBambiOK
21:10:02BigBambiCheers
21:10:36n1salthough I'm sure it can be found somewhere in our wiki or forum :)
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21:10:47BigBambiyeah, no doubt :)
21:11:05hanseaticthe x5 sounds good, anything i could stumble over there?
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21:11:28BigBambiDoes the subpack need power, as it just like an adaptor?
21:11:37hanseatich300 doesn't look affordable
21:11:52BigBambiebay?
21:12:04peturI have not heard good comments about the x5 as a recording device. Toki even switched to an iriver...
21:12:11hanseaticnope... there's only one auction
21:12:24BigBambiThey (and even more the H100) are in big demand as they are excellent recording hardware
21:12:27peturcheck the trade area of MR as well
21:12:30n1sBigBambi: iiuc the subpach is basically an adapter needed for line in and regular usb and maybe other things...
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21:12:47BigBambin1s: Cool
21:12:48hanseaticthing is, the market is full of players
21:12:56LloreanThe x5 only has two gain levels, -20 and 0, if I Recall correctly
21:13:07peturno, that is H10
21:13:17peturbut the gain steps of X5 are big
21:13:36peturso big they make AGC unusable
21:13:41LloreanAh
21:13:45LloreanThat must've been what I was thinking of
21:13:53BigBambiMy general recording order goes H100 > H300 > X5 > the rest
21:14:11BigBambiBut that isn't really through experience, just what I seem to have picked up
21:14:15hanseatici see, well i am a professional sound recordist, for filmproduction, but the device will be for my girlfriend, who wants to record stuff from MCs, yes music casettes they use there
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21:14:36mrkikoH300 has been totally discontinued! So sad, all of you may already know this
21:14:41BigBambiWe do
21:14:44peturwe need a new port to a device with good quality line-in that is still available ;)
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21:14:51BigBambiSo have all players rockbox runs on
21:14:57BigBambiNow there are V2 sansa
21:15:03LloreanBigBambi: If gain doesn't matter, the X5 might be preferred to the H300 because, if I understand correctly, if it were implemented the X5 would allow a wider range of sample rates for input
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21:15:15BigBambiLlorean: Ah yes, that is true
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21:15:29BigBambiBut a potential future rather than now, right?
21:15:39BigBambiAs in, it hasn't been implemented
21:15:42peturLlorean: Toki said he has lots of noise on his recordings - it may be a faulty unit though
21:15:53petur(and he has an X5)
21:16:03mrkikoMC
21:16:09Lloreanpetur: I haven't heard that report elsewhere, then again, that might just mean that nobody else is paying that much attention. :)
21:16:19LloreanBigBambi: Yes, potential feature iiuc.
21:16:25petur... or using it for recording
21:16:47BigBambihanseatic: Which country are you looking in?
21:16:50petur... of low SPL sound
21:16:56hanseaticde
21:17:10hanseaticgermany
21:17:14BigBambi:)
21:17:19BigBambiI got de :)
21:17:22peturif looking for h100, also search for iHP120/140
21:17:36BigBambiNo usb host on h100 though
21:17:38hanseatici am also thingking of Archos Jukebox Recorder 20
21:17:55hanseaticor iRiver_iHP-120
21:17:57peturand if you need plug power: h110 doesn't have that iirc
21:18:19BigBambihanseatic: Check out also US auctions - the weak dollar makes it very attractive for us Europeans, and many US ones will ship to EU
21:18:19Lloreanroolku: What button combination does A-B repeat on gigabeat use?
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21:19:53hanseaticus auctions will ship too long
21:20:01mrkikoregarding A-B key: in rockbox what does it actually do?
21:20:08BigBambihanseatic: What is your limit?
21:20:17hanseaticalso hussle with import taxes and paperwork
21:20:22BigBambimrkiko: Repeats between two points
21:20:24hanseatic130€
21:20:27BigBambihanseatic: not normally
21:20:35BigBambihanseatic: I meant time :)
21:20:39hanseatici've had that at least
21:20:49hanseaticstill shipment will take too long
21:20:58hanseaticshould be here on the 11th
21:20:58Lloreanmrkiko: Look at the manual...
21:20:59BigBambihanseatic: It is just pot luck, but I've had a few things from the US with no issues
21:21:30LloreanBigBambi: He asked what the A-B button does, not what A-B repeat is, at least if I read his question right
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21:21:46LloreanBigBambi: The iRivers (or at least the H100 series) have an A-B button
21:21:46BigBambiOh, I misunderstood then
21:21:55BigBambiI know - I'm a proud father
21:21:59BigBambi*owner :)
21:23:27BigBambihanseatic: There are currently 6 H340's on ebay.co.uk
21:24:00BigBambiand 5 h320s
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21:26:05hanseaticbigbambi the 340 looks far over budget
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21:27:12mrkikosomone can tell me where I should go (if any place exist on internet for this) to buy an H340 Remoter Controller? In eBay I can't find it
21:27:36mrkikoI know this is a little OT but probably we will not take so much to "complete" this :)
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21:29:40SHXwhat can i do if my e200 device freezing?....(fixing the problem-not turning off)
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21:31:53SHX?
21:32:01BigBambiSHX: Any error messages? Up-to-date build? What were you doing at the time? Details?
21:34:03SHXwithout errors, rev15447, listening to music and freeze after 10 min...
21:34:43Nico_PSHX: update your build
21:35:03Nico_Plots of bugs have been fixed in MoB since the one you have
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22:01:20hanseaticcu, and thnx 2 all
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22:11:42pixelmaLlorean: just read back a bit, the M5/X5 has recording gain levels of only 0 and 20dB if you record from the internal microphone, for line-in recording there are more (-34.5dB up to 12dB in 1.5dB steps) - not as fine grained as the H100/300 of course
22:14:18LloreanAh, okay
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22:15:43pixelmaand I haven't noticed any noise in my recordings but haven't tried much so far - only got a subpack about 2 weeks ago, because on M5 you don't need it for USB and charging ;)
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23:05:24webguest31i need help e260
23:05:38webguest31hi
23:05:50pixelmajust explain your problem
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23:06:29webguest31how can i switch to ums mode
23:06:30ddaltoncan someone tell me how to generate talkclips with voice.pl or on linux?
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23:07:59webguest31pixelma? help?
23:08:30advcomp2019webguest31, what firmware version
23:08:44pixelmawebguest31: there should be an option in the original firmware (in "system") if there is none it is possible you have a "v2" type of e200s and Rockbox won't work on it
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23:09:00ddaltondo I just need to run voice.pl with -c -e -E -s -S -l anything else?
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23:09:19pixelmawebguest31: and please be a little more patient...
23:09:26webguest311.02.18e-d (???)
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23:10:13pixelmathen you should be able to find the setting...
23:10:27webguest31but i don't
23:11:04advcomp2019did you look in the settings for usb mode
23:11:19webguest31rockbox is already installed
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23:13:09pixelmaerr... then your e200 should be in MSC mode (or at least should have been once)... what happens?
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23:14:04webguest31i already installed rockbox but when i'm trying to connect it with my pc (via usb) he just can't find my e260
23:14:23advcomp2019webguest31, you need to go into OF
23:14:50webguest31what is OF I'm a n00b
23:15:50advcomp2019webguest31, that is the sansa firmware.. turn off the sansa then plug it in
23:16:00pixelmaeasiest would be to turn your player off before connecting, on USB plug it will load the Original Firmware and you can use it to copy files over
23:18:37webguest31woooooooooooow pixelma - it worked. thank you i love you ;) *g*
23:19:50webguest31advcomp you rule, too
23:20:38webguest31tschös
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23:23:59kugelguys, I have a question
23:24:05kugellicensing stuff
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23:24:24kugelas you might know, I offer my custom build to download
23:24:39kugelcan I include a font, that's not GPL'd?
23:25:32LloreanFonts don't have to be GPL licensed if they're not compiled in. They just need to be licensed in a way that allows you to distribute.
23:25:44kugelOk, thanks
23:25:46LloreanYou ARE keeping a full copy of the source for each of your builds in case someone requests it, right?
23:26:16kugelnot the full copy
23:26:21kugeljust the diff
23:26:23LloreanYou're required to by the GPL.
23:26:41kugelbut if someone asks for it, and he needs the full source, I will give it to him
23:26:51LloreanHow can you do that if you're not archiving a copy of it?
23:26:59LloreanYou need to be able to give it to him, even if our site is no longer available.
23:27:03kugelI have a copy of the source
23:27:29LloreanA copy that's kept at the same version as the binary you're making available for download?
23:27:38kugelyes of course
23:28:25kugelI build my build of that source code, and I don't delete it after compiling, so I guess I have a copy of the source
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23:30:10kugelI meant, I offer the diff to be downloaded directly
23:30:21kugelfor the full source the one needs to ask me
23:30:51LloreanJust making sure you're compliant.
23:31:02LloreanWe've had a few unsupported build authors who don't keep their source around.
23:31:14kugelI wouldn't ask if I wouldn't care about licensing
23:32:18kugelbtw: is there a way to make svn diff include files with were added by a patch?
23:33:34pixelmayou need to "svn add" the files before
23:34:14pixelmamaking the diff I mean
23:34:52kugelSo, I need to do something like "svn add <(?) apps/plugins/dict2.c"
23:34:54kugel?
23:35:14pixelmawithout the <
23:35:21kugelok cool, thank you
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23:44:46PaulJamwould you still have to provide the source even if you don't offer the binary anymore? if yes, how long would you have to provide the source after stoppiing to offer the binary?
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23:47:19amiconnI remember having read something like at least 3 years.
23:47:53amiconnNot sure whether this is specified somewhere
23:48:23PaulJamwow, thats a long time...
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23:51:45scorchePaulJam: section 3b of GPL 2.0
23:52:01PaulJamthanks, i'll look.
23:58:21rasherPaulJam: well, just add a written offer, and you only have to deal with anyone who emails you, which should be effectively no one

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