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#rockbox log for 2007-12-07

00:00:09amiconnImho we should not support drm, independent of any license or technical problems
00:00:34 Join J3TC- [0] (n=jetc123@wlrsvd-170.njit.edu)
00:02:11dan_aMy feeling would be that it might not be a bad thing to have a stable codec API once there is a new stable version of Rockbox. If it's technically and legally possible, I think we should allow people to listen to the music in the format that they choose. I don't have particularly strong views on the subject, though.
00:03:06 Part przemhb
00:04:53*amiconn is in strong favour of rockbox going gpl v3, if that is possible
00:04:58scorche|wBagder: do you think logbot's feelings will get hurt if i make another bot for the channel?
00:05:33Bagderyes, he will come after you with a very large pitchfork. and make your nick light yellow in the log page!
00:06:08n1snooo, not the light (unreadable) yellow!!
00:07:16n1samiconn: did we ever come to a conclusion if we are "or later" or not?
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00:08:43amiconnNot that I know of :(
00:09:44scorche|wBagder: planned features include an enhanced seen script, !commonissuehere to prevent people from typing responses over and over again (such as irc guidelines, RTFM, broken themes, incompatible version, .rockbox, etc), a message system that will hopefully cut down on "ping: xxxx" and "for the logs...", learning/modifying/searching factoids, etc ...is this desired/worth my time?
00:10:09preglowplease no...
00:10:13Bagderdancer (logbot) has all those already
00:10:16preglowi hate it when bots become a strong presence in a channel...
00:10:40scorche|wBagder: heh...can i modify him then? =P
00:10:56amiconnscorche: Why yet another message system?
00:11:03amiconnfreenode already has one itself
00:11:27scorche|wone that is actually useful and used
00:11:54amiconnI can't see how another system would be more useful
00:11:58scorche|wsuch as "bot: tell xxx to kick the build servers", then when that person next speaks, it relays the message as it knows they are there
00:12:21scorche|wor "xxxx: for the logs, yyyyy"
00:12:48amiconnThe message system does its job - but in almost all occasions of 'ping', I don't want asynchronous communication, that's why I don't use it
00:13:03scorche|wand "for the logs..." ?
00:15:17amiconnAnd the (for the logs) lines have an advantage over messages too - others are able to follow the communication, even months later thanks to the logs
00:15:41pixelmaI doubt I would use these premade common issue answers, even though this sounds handy but the situation is always so slightly different...
00:16:33*amiconn still misses the 'describe' feature logbot once had ;\
00:16:39preglowand there's nothing cooler than being met by a bot...
00:16:52scorche|wpixelma: i can think of several common questions that rarely have variation...such as broken themes, where can i put my music, etc
00:17:16amiconnHow fast can you type 'rtfm'?
00:17:37*amiconn actually considered just typing those letters several times
00:18:24pixelmascorche: but it's also a question of my impression of the person
00:18:39scorche|wamiconn: ah, but that can be rude...also, a bot tends to be able to get away with being much more blunt than a person usually can
00:18:48pixelmahow I would answer him/her, I mean
00:19:37preglowi can even type "read the manual" quite quickly
00:20:39Lloreanscorche|w: Yes, but that just transfers the rudeness to whoever manually triggered the bot.
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00:27:49dan_aLlorean: Not necessarily. When I first started using Rockbox, there were a lot of people who didn't know that the Database feature existed. It wasn't possible to do a sensible search through the documentation because until you knew about it you didn't know what it was called. I wouldn't think that triggering a bot to point someone towards helpful information in the manual was rude.
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00:29:35dan_aSomething like we say "bot: show Llorean the Database manual" and the bot replies with "Llorean: Have a look at http://whatever.the.link.is/"
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00:30:42preglowso you saved yourself ten keystrokes, and whoever just joined now has the pleasure of conversing with a bot
00:31:31dan_aI just saved myself looking up the link to the right place in the manual.
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00:33:25J-_Is there support for the creative zen vision:m yet?
00:33:33LloreanNo
00:33:40LloreanThat's why it's not in the list.
00:34:02J-_hehe
00:34:13BagderJ-_: join the people in the new ports section in the forum that work on it
00:34:52J-_Bagder: what could I do to contribute?
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00:35:27BagderJ-_: that depends on what you know and what they've found out and similar
00:35:58J-_Yeah, exactly. I don't know much in reference to writing code
00:36:05J-_=(
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00:44:04meoblast001hello
00:44:08meoblast001im having a problem
00:44:35meoblast001my rockbox firmware on my Sansa c240 fails to access the original firmware when i plug it into my computer
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00:45:13*petur looks at non-existing bot :)
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00:45:40pixelmameoblast001: do you connect it while it's running Rockbox or while it's turned off?
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00:46:00meoblast001both
00:46:02meoblast001they both fail
00:46:35pixelmawhat exactly happens, do you get an error message?
00:46:56meoblast001it ends halfway through switching firmware
00:47:08mud-rbends in what manner?
00:47:17meoblast001i think its because my MP3 player successfully made it through the fill cycle of my wash load
00:47:42stripwaxso.. probably not a 'rockbox' problem then
00:47:47meoblast001im going to rename or delete .rockbox so the bootloader backs up to the original firmware
00:47:50meoblast001then ill fix it there
00:48:19mud-rbif the bootloader can't boot to the OF, that might not be a great idea
00:48:32mud-rbyou still didn't say exactly what happens
00:49:37meoblast001im really confused now
00:49:52meoblast001rockbox failed and now it just says SanDisk on my screen
00:50:03J-_Looks like you haven't given up hope for the ZVM which is awesome =D Can't wait to throw rockbox on the ZVM, probably will be a while yet. =) dunno though
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00:50:08meoblast001i have to keep taking my batery out every time i get a new error
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00:51:04meoblast001screw it
00:51:18meoblast001my processor probably blew out
00:51:33meoblast001and Gnome's f*&^ing up
00:51:47meoblast001it has a very large sized XChat icon in my tray
00:52:05scorche|wmeoblast001: why do you have to keep taking the battery out?...hold power for around 15 seconds
00:52:26scorche|wand if your "processor" "blew out", the device wouldnt function
00:52:29meoblast001doesnt work
00:52:37meoblast001i think something messed up on it
00:52:44meoblast001i get a new problem every time i try
00:53:03meoblast001plugging it in gives the error CRC32: 3CCE175A
00:53:10meoblast001that is where it gets stuck
00:53:16mud-rbi assume you've waited quite a while since it came out of the washer, correct?
00:53:26mud-rbas in, it is well and fully dry?
00:53:37meoblast001i dried it and discharged it
00:53:49meoblast001i got it midway through aggetate
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00:54:27meoblast001ok rockbox is deleting itself
00:54:36meoblast001now my system died
00:55:18meoblast001its living longer after this failed deletion of rockbox
00:55:35meoblast001now it froze while in the file browser
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00:55:55mud-rbyou really need to be more specific about what you're talking about. remember, we can't see what you see
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00:56:07mud-rband have almost no idea what you're doing
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00:56:34meoblast001it locks up to where i cant do anything
00:56:39meoblast001at random moments
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00:57:01mud-rbit still runs rockbox after you deleted the .rockbox folder?
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00:57:33meoblast001"Data abort at 00600072 (0)" while deleting the .rockbox folder
00:57:39meoblast001how do i delete rockbox?
00:57:44meoblast001i want to reinstall it
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00:57:54meoblast001and see if my original firmware still runs
00:58:06scorche|wrockbox is dual-boot
00:58:21scorche|whold << while you boot the device
00:58:51meoblast001it still boots rockbox
00:59:07mud-rbdeleting the .rockbox folder isn't going to help much iiuc. it will probably just make it fail when it attempts to boot rockbox
00:59:23meoblast001dang it
00:59:29meoblast001i think its my memory
00:59:33meoblast001i think it keeps failing
00:59:37mud-rbdo the keys work correctly as far as you can tell?
00:59:43scorche|wmeoblast001: shut the device off, then push power, then immediately hold <<
00:59:51scorche|wstop guessing at what it is
00:59:52meoblast001k
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01:00:20meoblast001it gets stuck at "CRC32: 3CCE175A
01:00:40meoblast001its broke
01:00:47mud-rbdoes it give an error message or freeze?
01:00:54meoblast001it just freezes
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01:01:07meoblast001if i let rockbox run... it freezes at random moments
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01:02:26meoblast001ill call sandisk
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01:06:18meoblast001i dont have a reciept
01:07:04peturand probably no warranty either
01:08:24n1shmm, I get a fatal error from the tracker, does it work for anyone?
01:08:46n1shm, now it works again just took 3 minutes to loadf
01:09:16mud-rbseems to work for me
01:09:25meoblast001im putting it through rehab
01:10:03meoblast001im slowly teaching it how not to freeze
01:10:07meoblast001by traversing menus
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01:11:30meoblast001i believe if you hit electronics... they start to work
01:12:48peturif you hit it and it starts to work, there's either a bad contact inside or (most probably) it isn't dry enough
01:12:56meoblast001ok i just slammed it against the floor
01:13:06meoblast001then i was told that only waiting 1 day isnt enough
01:13:08meoblast001crap
01:13:27peturway to go... now hit it with a big hammer....
01:13:51meoblast001i hate electronics
01:14:07meoblast001next ill accidently leave my server in my pocket and it will get a ride in the washer
01:14:43meoblast001i have bad luck with MP3 players
01:14:47meoblast001maybe i shouldnt buy them
01:14:52meoblast001and get cassette players
01:14:58peturor treat them better
01:15:17meoblast001my first one was broken by my friend when he dropped it
01:15:28meoblast001my sister lost the battery back to my other
01:15:35meoblast001and this one got a ride in the washer
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01:15:55meoblast001does it have a chance at life?
01:16:47mud-rbwell you should probably stop spiking it at the ground and let it dry more
01:16:58meoblast001im letting it
01:17:06meoblast001i got angry
01:17:17stripwaxnight all
01:17:17meoblast001i think i have hidden anger issues
01:17:22meoblast001night
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01:43:07RamlaHey hum. I've got an iriver h340, installed rockbox a few hours ago. I like the whole deal a lot except for just one thing compared to the official firmware
01:43:21Ramlai mean the playlist system.
01:44:35mud-rbwhat don't you like about it?
01:44:49Ramlarockbox's system is just how i use playlists when i listen to music on my computer
01:45:06Ramlabut with the player's controls it just doesn't work for me
01:46:01mud-rbi'm not sure i get your meaning, but if you think you have a better way, feel free to describe it fully in a feature request (on the web page), or better yet, make a patch
01:47:05Ramlais there a way to have all my files in one playlist, but so that i could navigate in it with either the file browser or database browser?
01:48:04mud-rbi'm not sure exactly what that would mean. you already can view all of the music with the file viewer or database view...
01:49:24Ramlai just don't find it smooth somehow. i did manage to turn repeat off so it can now jump to the next folder, which is improvement
01:51:41Ramlai also used to jump between normal play and shuffle all on the original firmware
01:51:58pixelmayou have a few possibilities - make one big playlist of all your music and use "view playlist", you can turn "auto-change directory" on, I think there are some more. Did you have a look into the manual?
01:52:19Ramlayes, i've read chapter 4.4 :)
01:52:45mud-rbRamla: you can turn shuffle on and off in the context menu of the while playing screen
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01:54:23Ramlamud-rb: mm, do you mean c-menu/playlist/reshuffle?
01:55:44mud-rbRamla: i don't know the name of the buttons out of the manual, but on mine while you're at the WPS screen you hold "menu" and a screen comes up that allows you to turn shuffle on and off (along wiht a couple of other options i never use)
01:55:57mud-rbthe manual explains it better i'm sure
01:57:18Ramlais this a new feature? i'm using current build, not a daily one
01:58:23mud-rbunless you're using the "release" version, which i think is only for one type of player and is really really old, you're using a version that's built after every SVN commit
01:58:25amiconnThe quickscreen is an ooold feature
01:58:33amiconnIt's been there for years
01:58:47Ramlathere is no release version for iriver h300 series
01:59:14Ramlaalso, the manual's chapter 'the wps context menu' doesn't list anything about shuffle
01:59:47amiconnThe quickscreen is not the context menu
01:59:47Ramlamy menu has sound settings, playlist, playlist catalog, bookmarks, show track info, delete, pitch, graphical eq, browse eq presets
01:59:52mud-rbsorry, it's a different menu than the actual context menu, i just never knew what it was called
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02:00:22Ramlaoh
02:01:30Ramlaok, i see :)
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02:03:31Ramlanow that's still shuffle within playlist. is there a way to navigate within playlists contents as if through file browser, so that i would have my directory structure there?
02:05:03mud-rbnot as far as i know
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02:07:46Ramladamned.. and no faster way to scroll through a list than by page?
02:08:07amiconneh?
02:08:12Ramla(play+up/down on my player)
02:08:31mud-rbyou can search in playlists i suppose, but the keyboard tends to be slow
02:08:38amiconnEver tried buttonrepeat?
02:09:11amiconnJust hold the button(s) for the desired direction...
02:09:32Ramlaamiconn: would be nice, but it seems my player runs out of juice with the fast scrolling :p
02:10:16Ramlanot in the file browser, just when scrolling the playlist
02:12:49amiconnOut of juice? How?
02:13:06*amiconn never uses the playlist viewer during normal usage
02:13:17mud-rbyeah, me neither...
02:13:24Ramlaall processing power seems to go to the scrolling, music playback pauses
02:13:43Ramlahow do you navigate in huge playlists?
02:14:06mud-rbi never use huge playlists...i just choose an artist i want usually and let it shuffle
02:15:21amiconnI don't
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02:15:40amiconnI mostly play albums, selecting one album at a time
02:16:03amiconnSometimes I play 'various tracks' folders, shuffled
02:16:15mud-rbi guess a file type view of playlists might be useful if you have huge ones, not sure how hard it would be to add.
02:16:56mud-rbthere would probably be a lot of annoyances with it, especially if the player has trouble scrolling without the music pausing/skipping/whatever
02:18:07pixelmaI usually also play a folder (album or various tracks) or "click" a playlist of a few of them together - most of the time less then 100 tracks in one playlist
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02:18:26Ramlano problems scrolling in the file browser. must be some difference in how rockbox handles scrolling playlists and files in file browser
02:19:15Ramlaor maybe it's just the sheer size of the playlist i'm trying to scroll
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02:24:58Ramlawell, i got past most of my problems
02:26:12Ramlajust missing the fast way of switching between shuffle all and normal play
02:27:51mud-rbif you really switch between them enough that the quickscreen or whatever isn't fast enough, you could /probably/ make a change to the WPS and have it toggle
02:28:58Ramlaquickscreen would be good enough, but because in normal play i want to browse for the next file/album with the file browser, it means each time i would like to shuffle all, i'd need to load the playlist containing all.
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02:35:11Ramlaperhaps i'll just have to adjust to the rockbox way :p
02:35:32Ramlabed calls.
02:35:39amiconnYou might want to check out the power of bookmarks
02:36:10BKcoming from a "noob", if you will, does anyone know how the Gigabeat S port is progressing?
02:37:15Ramlaamiconn: maybe they'll provide the answer.
02:38:51Ramlarockbox experience seems to be like the game Portal, such new environment to digest :p maybe i'll just get the hang of it slowly
02:38:59Ramlaanyways, to the bed now.
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02:59:11Lars_GQuestion, I have about 3 days old build... and it's not saving the place it was in when it shuts down (I power it on, and wps starts from the beginning of the song/podcast not where it was left).. is this known? I saw nothing about this on the flyspray
02:59:58krazykitLars_G, upgrade to the current version and try again.
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03:00:16Lars_Gkrazykit: yeah I just built it.
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03:04:22Lars_GEffectively bug's gone. thanks krazykit
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03:56:44zoexiihi, I am having installation issues (Bad Checksum) on 4G grayscale ipod. I have reinstalled several times, but the problem persists. I used the automated installer on Mac OS X, tried replacing .rockbox directory, then uninstalled and reinstalled twice. I am beginning to suspect an error in the rockbox.zip file available on the server. Does anyone know anything about this? is this the right place to ask?
03:57:48safetydanare you sure you're installing the correct version?
03:59:45zoexiiwell, I've selected 4G in the automated installer, and downloaded the rockbox.zip that's linked to the picture of the 4G grayscale ipod,
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04:00:19zoexiiand my ipod is a 4g grayscale ipod. I haven't tried installing the WRONG version yet...
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04:00:37safetydanso it doesn't have four buttons in a row under the screen?
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04:00:55zoexiino, it has clickwheel.
04:01:46safetydanwell the next step would be to try manually installing the build
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04:01:58zoexiiok.
04:03:57zoexiiisn't it easy as copy .rockbox directory to root level of ipod?
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04:09:20zoexiiok.. so I just tried again this time with the latest daily build, and it does the same thing. is it possible that I have a hardware problem?
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04:15:45safetydantry a current build rather than a daily build
04:22:57zoexiisafetydan, at this point I've tried both. There shouldn't be any special installation beyond copying the directory, yes?
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04:25:26safetydanzoexii: well no, assuming you have the bootloader installed. Rather than copying the directory, try unzipping the file directly on your iPod. Be sure to overwrite anything that was already there.
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04:31:01zoexiiok, now I've tried unzipping the directory in the root level of the ipod, and the same thing happens. Is it possible that there is something wrong witht the bootloader?
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04:31:43safetydanwell there's no harm in reinstalling the bootloader
04:31:50safetydanbut what is the exact message you're getting?
04:32:06zoexiican't load rockbox.ipod:
04:32:10zoexiibad checksum
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04:32:31zoexiiHold MENU+SELECT to ....
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04:35:58safetydanthere's not many ways to get that message
04:36:02zoexiiwait, does this really not work over firewire?
04:36:15safetydanI've no idea
04:36:51safetydanyou can get the checksum message when you're using the wrong build for your target or the file is corrupt somehow (i.e. bad copy, bad unzip, filesystem issues)
04:40:28safetydanzoexii: the boot loader should also print out a model name. What does it say in your case?
04:41:05zoexiiip4g
04:41:18zoexiiis the model number.
04:43:19safetydanzoexii: and you're using the build from here? http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipod4gray/rockbox.zip
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04:45:20zoexiiyeah, that looks right.
04:47:29safetydanzoexii: can you try redownloading a build from that exact URL and see if it works?
04:48:35zoexiiI'll try that now.
04:51:59zoexiiyes!
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04:52:03zoexiifinally worked.
04:52:44safetydanSo it sounds like you were using the wrong build then?
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05:34:56zoexiioh,
05:35:00zoexiiwell, maybe,
05:35:08zoexiior coyping to the wrong place.
05:35:12zoexiimaybe,
05:35:44zoexiither was an "IPOD" and and "IPOD 1" in my /volumes/
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06:04:24jturekhey guys
06:04:48jturekQuick question: I have a newly installed rockbox on my Ipod 30gb black video
06:05:10jturekNow when I plug my ipod into USB to the computer, it comes up with a new device found "RockBox media player"
06:05:14jturekwhich I don't have a driver for.....
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06:08:45safetydanjturek: ignore it.
06:09:01safetydanif you need to mount the device, boot in to the original os or go in to disk mode
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06:10:48jtureksafetydan: whats the easiest way to switch back and forth between the ipod os and roxbox?
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06:15:06safetydanjturek: I'm sure that's covered in the manual.
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06:17:42safetydanbut basically turn off your ipod, then turn it on again and immediately put the hold switch on.
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06:21:53jturekthanks guys
06:21:57jturekgreat work by the way!
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06:32:41JdGordonanyone have an idea how to position the selected item more smartly in the screen than currently (specifically when the selected item changes)
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06:36:50JdGordon... probably going to change the code back to how it was a fw months ago before my last fiddling....
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08:36:58GodEater_some of us....
08:37:31rayjhopefully you can help
08:37:43rayji got me a sansa e280
08:37:53rayjinstalled rockbox
08:38:28rayjnow when i plug it in it reboots & says cant find OF.bin
08:38:39rayjthen turns off
08:39:18GodEater_unfortunately I know nothing about the sansa models we run on
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08:39:35rayjhm ok
08:40:01GodEater_hang around - someone will turn up that does
08:40:02rayjthanks anyway
08:40:08GodEater_or post in the forums
08:40:12Mouser_Xrayj: So what happens? I might be tired, but it didn't quite make sense to me.
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08:40:48Mouser_XDoes it boot into Rockbox fine though?
08:41:04rayjyes it boots rockbox
08:41:19rayjbut how do i get files onto device
08:41:25Mouser_XHow about dual-booting? I don't know which key to hold down, but it's in the manual...
08:41:32rayjwhen i plug it in it reboots
08:41:53Mouser_XHave you tried plugging in the USB when it's turned off? What happens then?
08:41:55GodEater_I thought you had to turn them off, *then* plug them in to USB ?
08:41:57rayj& says cant find /system/OF.bin
08:43:14Mouser_XSo, that didn't answer my question. Have you tried it when it was off?
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08:43:37rayjok from off state powers up it displays sansa then rockbox
08:44:01rayjwhere it ends with cant load /System/OF.bin
08:44:21advcomp2019rayj, you need to recovery the sansa firmware then add the OF.bin file then put the rockbox bootloader back one
08:45:15rayjadvcomp2019, is there a link you can shoot at me
08:46:19rayjis this it
08:46:22rayjhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10766.msg82440
08:47:28advcomp2019rayj, no.. the recovery mode on this page.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
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08:49:02GodEater_rayj: as a matter of course, never follow instructions in a random forum post.
08:49:39rayj :-d thanks
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09:01:56rayjback in business thank you all
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09:05:25peturI fail to connect to freenode on port 8000 - anybody know what's up?
09:05:41GodEater_didn't even know they offered IRC on that port
09:06:05peturit worked until yesterday - nice way to pass our firewall :)
09:06:06scorchethey offer it on MANY ports
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09:06:18scorche6667, 6668, 6669, 8000, 8001, etc
09:06:26peturaha now it's working
09:06:48advcomp2019puter, there was a system wide notice earlier
09:07:07scorchethat was a server...not a port though
09:07:49peturI use the address of the rotation server, not a specific one. but anyway, it seems to work again
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09:15:59mrkikoHi LinusN!
09:16:15mrkikoHave you red my considerations about the H300 boot-loader?
09:20:49LinusNwhat considerations?
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09:24:09mrkikoLinusN: oh.. nothing important.. .I can explain this now - it's very brief so I'll not make you lose time.
09:25:02LinusNshoot
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09:25:59mrkikoLinusN: the H3xx boot-loader is not acting as described on the manual, so it may be fixed. The manual says the boot-loader will boot the OF if .rockbox is missing. The boot-loader, if .rockbox misses, actually will not boot the player, telling you no fw has benn found. Pressin play+rec will boot successfully the OF, aniway.
09:26:08mrkikoand yes: I'm using the svn boot-loader
09:27:59LinusNdoes it say "No firmware found on disk"?
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09:28:12mrkikoI think it should be not so difficult to fix the problem, but I don't have a BDM interface ... so I will not be able to recover my player. (so told me amiconn)
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09:28:27mrkikoMm...
09:28:32LinusNdoes it say "No firmware found on disk"?
09:28:58mrkikoI'll report you the message later - now I'm in the clas-room...
09:29:11mrkikobut it seems tat message
09:29:28LinusNthen it is a bug in detect_original_firmware()
09:30:01mrkiko...
09:30:16mrkikoI don't know what to say regarding this - pressing play+rec will boot the OF correctly
09:30:27LinusNso?
09:31:31mrkikowhat does "so" mean in this context?
09:32:02LinusNit means that play+rec is not the same thing
09:32:24peturLinusN: I saw on http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,95239.0.html that somebody swapped the HDD in his h120 with a CF card, but his initial attempt failed, with another card it worked. Any ideas on why? Does CF speed matter (timing constraints) and are those in the controller or the firmware?
09:32:32LinusNby looking at the code, it looks like detect_original_firmware() works like it should
09:33:38LinusNpetur: timing might very well be the problem (which can be changed by software), but also the device reset
09:33:54mrkikoLinusN: aniway the problem is simple to reproduce. G on the directory browser, remove .rockbox, then shutdown the player and thenup again...
09:33:55LinusNCF cards can be sensitive to device reset
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09:34:30peturI have a h320 with broken drive here - I'm tempted to install a CF in it :)
09:35:00listerGodEater: hello. In one of your posts on the forums you said that RB on iRiver never crashes. Waht build do you use? Pre or post MOB?
09:35:07LinusNmrkiko: there is another issue here: the original firmware checks the ON button when it starts, so it may very well be that the bootloader restarts the original firmware, but it turns off immediately because the ON button isn't pressed
09:35:38LinusNpetur: try to remove the ata reset code
09:36:08peturLinusN: if I get the adapter and have issues, I'll try :)
09:36:16LinusNgoddie
09:36:20LinusNgoodie
09:38:56mrkikoSo I should try the next time keeping "play" pressed even when the message appears ...
09:39:19mrkikorockbox never crashes on iRiver? ... :)
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09:44:37LinusNmrkiko: yes, try that
09:53:12GodEater_lister: I think it's pre-MoB - I've not updated it in a while
09:53:18GodEater_don't have it here with me to check though
09:53:22GodEater_it mainly sits in my car
09:53:28listermrkiko: actually, RB never crashes on my irivier as well. But I use a quite old build.
09:53:53listerGodEater: ah, you are here with the same thoughts! :-)
09:54:49listermrkiko: just don't use some plugins! :-)
09:55:00GodEater_same thoughts ?
09:55:13listerGodEater: same build
09:55:22listerGodEater: i.e. pre MOB
09:55:39GodEater_I don't expect post-MoB to be any worse though
09:55:44GodEater_I just haven't got round to upgrading
09:56:32GodEater_godeater.cream.org/usb_pole_dancer.avi">http://godeater.cream.org/usb_pole_dancer.avi <−− my secret santa gift from my colleagues. Bless 'em.
09:57:09listerbtw: has the issue with "playback got confused at the end of the track" been resolved with MOB? I.e. if you jump to the start of the song while in the last two seconds of the song?
09:57:26LinusNi don't think it is completely solved
09:59:28listerLinusN: is it a general playback engine flaw? I.e. how the playback engine interacts with codecs?
09:59:39LinusNlister: kind of
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10:00:11LinusNthe playback buffering engine switches to the next track before the codec has played the last data from the current one
10:00:53LinusNso when you jump to the start, there is some confusion regarding which track it is playing
10:01:43listerLinusN: but I've seen (or believe so) that some extra state vars were added for separately tracking the pcm playback and codec position. Am I mistaken?
10:02:39GodEater_just because the variables are there, doesn't mean we're using them right yet ;)
10:02:56listerGodEater: good point! :-)
10:03:03markunGodEater_: was that you in that movie?
10:03:09GodEater_markun: nope
10:03:15GodEater_that was my "secret" santa :)
10:05:08LinusNlister: there was an attempt to fix this issue, but i believe that there still is a problem
10:06:21listerLinusN: so the playback engine still waits for an overhaul?
10:06:34LinusNnot an overhaul, but a fix
10:08:55GodEater_I thought the plan was to completely re-write the playback engine at some point ?
10:08:58listerThere were some talks about playback again getting too tricky (after it has been simplified some time ago)
10:13:51LinusNyes, that happens over and over
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10:14:15LinusNthe problem is that we have so many requirements that create special cases
10:14:35LinusNlike crossfade, for instance
10:15:24LinusNcrossfade is an excellent example when it comes to track change; when has it changed track?
10:15:46LinusNwhen it starts to fade, in the middle of the fade, or when the previous track has faded out?
10:15:56LinusNthose things make the playback complicated
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10:29:04listerLinusN: yes, those are the questions! About fade: I'd say the track has changed when the "weight" of the new track is higher than the weight of the old track. But I could also live with "when the old track has faded out". Since I actually never use crossfade :-)
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10:30:02LinusNthat is only one example of how complicated it can get
10:30:27LinusNthe next is the buffering requirements; we want as little disk access as possible
10:31:01LinusNbut we still want to buffer huge amounts to reduce lag when skipping etc
10:31:15LinusNand not load the same track twice
10:31:18LinusNetc etc
10:31:40LinusNand then we want to mix that with voice playback
10:33:14LinusNand low latency dsp effects, like eq and crossfeed
10:33:44LinusNand then comes the additional complexity of handling multiple codecs and metadata
10:33:48listerYes, some things are just complicated. I wouldn't say the code is too complicated for a rather simple thing since the thing itself is rather tricky
10:33:57LinusNexactly
10:34:41LinusNthe problem is that many of the special cases we have really shouldn't be special
10:35:02CirqueHi everybody. I just bought a docking port for my ipod with speakers etc, and plan on using it as my desktop clock also. Going into plugins > applications > clock every time I change song/redock is very hastly, so is there a way I can either put a link to the clock function on the opening page (where database etc is) or make it appear by default/on a timer somehow?
10:35:03listerHas an attempt been made to draw it all as a state machine? What would be the states? And what would be the state variables (they might vary for different states)?
10:35:20LinusNlister: not sure if lostlogic did that once
10:36:06listerLinusN: e.g. "normal playback", "playback with crossfade", "playback with voice" etc. There will be many of course
10:36:08LinusNCirque: not without building your own version of rockbox
10:36:17CirqueOh, alright. Thanks =)
10:36:51listerBut then we could have a graph an thus an tool to visually analyse behaviour and (possibly) problems
10:37:02LinusNlister: yes
10:37:22LinusNwe should start with listing all the requirements
10:37:50listerAnd then listing all possible combinations
10:38:11listerand events. And state transitions triggered by them
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10:39:31LinusNlister: oooh, now you make it sound a lot like "work"....yuck! :-)
10:40:22listerLinusN: oh, no, no! Sorry for that! :-)
10:40:55LinusN:-)
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11:17:24safetydandoes rockbox support flac encapsulated in Ogg?
11:21:40GodEater_I don't believe so
11:21:42GodEater_I think we only support vorbis in ogg
11:22:34safetydanwell vorbis and speex
11:23:12Simon_cHi, Quick question on rockbox. Does it support bookmarking audio files at all ? What I want to do is quit playing an audio file, and the next time I go back into it, (even if I've played other files between then and now) I want it to resume where it left off.
11:24:09safetydanSimon_c, yes. This is detailed in the manual.
11:24:14GodEater_I didn't even think we supported speex in ogg - news to me!
11:24:30Simon_csafetydan: Thanks. I'll try to look harder next time.
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11:24:47safetydanGodEater, speex only comes in ogg files except for our wacky talk clip format format
11:24:53safetydanoh, and rtp but that doesn't count
11:24:58magicthreei was wondering, does rockbox have an address book plugin?
11:25:09safetydanmagicthree, no
11:25:20magicthreeah, shame
11:25:32safetydanfeel free to write and submit one though :)
11:25:32GodEater_magicthree: write one!
11:26:19magicthreesure, how hard could it be
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11:27:42magicthreeno really, how hard could it be?
11:27:58magicthreei have no idea how to write plugins for rockbox
11:28:06GodEater_luckily we have a wiki with details
11:28:30GodEater_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
11:29:00Simon_cDoes anyone have any idea of the cheapest currently available hardware that will support rockbox ?
11:30:08magicthreeGodEater_: thanks
11:30:57GodEater_Gigabeat F is available on ebay for around $90
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11:38:33markunSimon_c: what kind of player are you looking for?
11:39:16Simon_cmarkun: A cheep one, available in the UK. I mainly want it for listening to podcasts, which was why I was asking about bookmarking.
11:39:30markunflash, hdd?
11:39:50Simon_cmarkun: flash.
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11:40:00GodEater_ah - forget the Gigabeat then
11:40:04GodEater_although it is the cheapest
11:40:05Simon_cmarkun: I should have said, cheep and small.
11:40:17GodEater_I think I paid £76 in all for mine, including shipping from the USA
11:40:25markunsandisk e200 v1 maybe?
11:40:40markunsandisk sansa ...
11:41:27Simon_cWell, I recently got an ipod nano 3g, but the other half seems to think she should have it, so I'm trying to find something else cheep to replace it for the main thing I use it for which is podcasts. Cheep would be < £50
11:41:37markunSimon_c: might be useful: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
11:42:13markunlooks like the c200 is the cheapest option
11:42:31markunbut version 2 of those players is not yet supported by rockbox
11:42:33pixelmathe c200 is probably even cheaper (and smaller) than the e200, just pay attention to not get a "v2"
11:42:44Simon_cAhh, that's the link I want.
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11:46:15Simon_cAhh, trying to find a supplier who can tell me if it's a v2 will be tricky....
11:46:28Simon_cAre there plans to support v2 in future ?
11:49:09GodEater_only if someone decides to do the work
11:49:17GodEater_no port is ever planned
11:49:35Simon_cGodEater_ OK. I understand. thanks.
11:50:06Simon_cporting requires person with coding skills, hardware, time, and motivation all at the same time :-)
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12:00:29Simon_cdoes anyone know if it's only the C200 that has the v2 versions around that don't work ? Do all e200 series ones work (obviously, just to the best of anyone's knowledge :-) )
12:01:45pixelmathere are also e200v2s
12:01:55Simon_cpixelma: Thanks :-(
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12:06:33markunSimon_c: here you can check for progress on the various v2 players: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=16.0
12:07:08Simon_cmarkun: Thanks.
12:08:57safetydandang it, where's my updated delta table?
12:10:29pixelmait's always a bit behind the build table
12:10:57pixelmai.e. it's updated now :)
12:11:45safetydangood lord! That saved 1222 bytes on ipod color?
12:12:18pixelmawell, if you compare to petur's commit of yesterday...
12:13:04safetydanah, it seems something weird is going on with deltas
12:13:10peturno idea why it used that many bytes for my commit, as if something that needs a certain boundary got shifted around and left a gap
12:13:21peturthe delta is in RAM usage only
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12:13:49petursee the +2048/-2048 for ram
12:13:54pixelmayes, I believe this effect is there since the new USB stack or something
12:14:10peturah yes, that has some aligned structs
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12:25:43linuxstbI'm just reading the logs about the phone conversation with Real - am I right in thinking that he was basically saying "You can't use our AAC codec due to the license but we would like you to implement RealAudio/Video and Rhapsody DRM without giving you the source code" ?
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12:30:28B4gderthat's how it sounded to me
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12:32:14markunThey asked us to RE their DRM?
12:32:49linuxstbMaybe they would like to help port the ffmpeg Real codecs to Rockbox ;)
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12:51:47GodEater_I agree with amiconn on this - I wouldn't like to see Rockbox supporting any sort of DRM.
12:52:54Nico_Pmarkun: I think they'd like us to add support for binary blobs
12:53:21Nico_Pit's a pity that they can't GPL the AAC decoder for silly patent reasons
12:53:48linuxstbI don't understand that - Nero don't seem to have the same view...
12:54:31markunwhich view?
12:54:32Nico_Pwhy? they've GPL'd AAC code?
12:54:56linuxstbYes, Rockbox's AAC codec is written by Ahead/Nero
12:55:30Nico_Pah. then maybe Llorean could mention that next time he speaks to real...
12:55:40Nico_Pbut maybe they just hide behing the patent excuse
12:56:07linuxstbI can't see why they would need to care about patents - it's the responsibility of the people using the code.
12:59:06markunlinuxstb: I thought the nero acc code was written by Coding Technologies
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13:01:17markunmaybe not. I only find press releases about ahead licensing stuff from Coding Technologies
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13:10:09Nico_Pspeaking of patents, I've been working on the pictureflow port with jott. Do you think there are potential issues regarding this?
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13:14:20linuxstbProbably in the US...
13:15:35linuxstbNico_P: How are you planning on accessing the bmps?
13:18:01Nico_Pthat's one of the main issues... currently we read them from a fixed dir and store them in the main buffer through the buffering API
13:18:16Nico_Pof course, we'd like to use the existing AA bitmaps
13:18:56linuxstbDoesn't that take a long time to load?
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13:20:38linuxstbWhat about trying to incorporate them into the database, and create a single database file with all bmps in it (which obviously wouldn't be loaded to RAM) ?
13:20:54linuxstbIIUC, Apple put album-art in their database.
13:21:15Nico_Pthe bitmaps are loaded in background by a worker thread
13:21:40Nico_Pyeah I wanted to tie AA into the database, but I hadn't though of storing it as a single file
13:21:53Nico_PI was thinking of storing the AA path for each album
13:22:42linuxstbDon't you just need to store the type of filename match - "cover.bmp in same folder", "trackname.bmp", "album name.bmp" etc?
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13:23:51Nico_PI'm not sure... I doubt any kind of path info is stored with a DB album
13:24:03Nico_Pso you wouldn't know where to look
13:24:05linuxstbIt must store the track filenames.
13:24:46Nico_Pyeah, but we'd like to associate a pic with an album
13:24:52linuxstbBut Rockbox's album-art isn't based on albums - each track can potentially have its own art.
13:25:54Nico_Pyeah I know... I was thinking of trying to associate an AA to each album where possible
13:26:10Nico_Pit could also allow a nice album list in the database manus
13:26:53linuxstbWouldn't you want to browse all cover artwork, and then when you select an image, you play all tracks associated to that image?
13:27:50Nico_Pyes, that's pretty much what we'd want
13:28:16Nico_Pthough it would also be nice to display a bit of metadata along with the art
13:28:21linuxstbSo yes, I think that would mean storing the bmp filename in the database.
13:28:49linuxstbYou made album-art too flexible ;)
13:30:35Nico_Phehe :)
13:30:57Nico_PI'd like to talk to Slasheri about that, but I never see him online
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13:38:16DarkStylistquesdtion : on the sansa when im inside rockbox and connect to usb it wants some kinda driver , anyway to turn that off so i can browse my mp3 from rockbox?
13:39:42DarkStylistor must i charge/load usb on original firmware?
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13:44:59peturDarkStylist: until the usb stack is complete, reboot into OF for USB
13:45:24pixelmaDarkStylist: hold "select" when you connect to USB to stay in Rockbox
13:45:50pixelmabut you won't be able to access the files from your computer then
13:45:54peturah, to charge
13:47:51DarkStylistah i see thats no biggie then :)
13:48:28DarkStylisti guess i'll dualboot btw i only use sansa firmware for browsing and charging the player :)
13:48:55DarkStylistoriginal firmware playback is quite crappy i might add
13:50:30markunbut browsing is better than in rockbox?
13:51:24DarkStylistyeah usb browsing
13:51:29DarkStylistu browse from pc
13:51:33markunah, ok
13:51:51DarkStylistthe rockbox file browser rules
13:52:10DarkStylisti dont have to go through each song 1 by 1 :)
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14:04:04preglowjhMikeS: what're you gonna do to libmpeg2?
14:05:36jhMikeSpreglow: whatever I need to. the code formatting was just awful. some memory alloc stuff needs working on as well not to mention removing chroma decoding for grayscale.
14:06:42jhMikeSand if it pisses me off enough we'll just have our own decoder :)
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14:28:51markunjhMikeS: any speed changes after your last commit?
14:31:53jhMikeSmarkun: not much that I noticed if any. it was really intended to simplify it.
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14:47:26jhMikeSshould probably blast all the "convert" stuff too
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14:55:24preglowhmm
14:55:39preglowvoice can't handle numerals with fractions, no?
14:56:21jhMikeSIt doesn't really handle much with numbers afaict
14:56:51preglowcrossfeed voice is off
14:57:02preglowplus one hundred fifteen decibels
14:57:08preglowthat's the internal representation...
14:57:59*petur puts fingers in ears
14:58:19jhMikeSpreglow: you made x-feed louder even?
14:58:20preglowhrm
14:58:50preglowjhMikeS: no, the internal representation is positive, for legacy reasons, namely saving one bit in the days of binary configs
14:59:13preglowi'd love to change that around now, but that'd break user settings
14:59:26jhMikeSthey'll adjust I think
14:59:30preglowthen again, it's not like we've released anything...
14:59:39preglowjhMikeS: hmm, maybe i should give it a try
14:59:49preglowjhMikeS: config values will suddenly be negatiev when they were positive :)
14:59:50jhMikeSjust say how to convert the settings
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15:00:10preglowi might be able to kill a formatting function too
15:00:12jhMikeSnothing user visible?
15:00:13preglowjust share the eq one
15:00:30preglowjhMikeS: well, it will be user visible depending on how the config reader copes
15:01:27jhMikeSfunny, I added range checking when I did recording menus for JdGordon and I don't think that made it into SVN. :p
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15:04:35*jhMikeS sees an older mpegplayer commit commenting on accomodating slow disk access on the Sansa
15:13:58preglowsansa has slow disk access? :/
15:15:24jhMikeSwell, that was then :)
15:18:46*jhMikeS seems to recall some bloody RGB conversion code in libmpeg2 somewhere but can't locate where it used to be :\
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15:22:26jhMikeScould also be a mental image from another project that used it that was seen one time
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15:30:14linuxstbjhMikeS: It's in convert/rgb.c in the original libmpeg2 source
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15:36:55jhMikeSlinuxstb: I knew I saw something somewhere :)
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15:44:35linuxstbjhMikeS: Are you close to committing your pending mpegplayer changes?
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15:46:46jhMikeSgetting closer. I want to pare the decoder down to a minimum needed.
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15:47:54jhMikeSthe slow thing here is 1) video players are complicated and not even light can escape that 2) ensuring each change is bug-free as you move along (and there's lots of those)
15:48:22linuxstbWouldn't it be better to commit changes incrementally? It seems you have a big patch pending...
15:48:50Crash91In featurecomparison in the wiki it says the sansa(OF) has no AA support...which is untrue
15:49:52jhMikeSwould be better but not really workable since the basic layout is refactored
15:49:54DarkStylistwhat program opens .mod in rockbox?
15:50:16Crash91DarkStylist: what file type is that/
15:50:44DarkStylistmodule
15:50:51Crash91oh
15:51:08Crash91i dont know if rockbox supports that format
15:51:19DarkStylistcustom codec
15:51:42DarkStylisti need to load it with the program that loads mp3
15:52:12linuxstbCrash91: Are you registered on the wiki?
15:52:31Crash91linuxstb: no, but can i register?
15:53:01Crash91okay, found link
15:53:01DarkStylistso what program in rockbox opens mp3 by default any way i could check that?
15:53:15Crash91DarkStylist: i doubt rockbox supports MODs
15:53:44DarkStylisthow about if i try?
15:53:52Crash91may i have wiki write permissions?
15:53:55DarkStylistits a custom codec
15:54:22Crash91DarkStylist: well, i have no idea, how to open it, maybe try to rename it to .mp3?
15:54:30Crash91and see if rb will decode
15:54:46DomonokyDarkStylist: take a look a viewers.config, i think this configures the binding of file endings with plugins..
15:55:08DarkStylistthx
15:55:48amiconnDarkStylist: Iirc you asked for mod support a dozen times already
15:56:28amiconn...and you were told that it's not supported in svn, but there is a patch
15:58:52Crash91how would i be able to get write permissions fo rthe wiki?
15:59:12GodEater_Crash91: give us your wikiname
15:59:49Crash91ArchitTamarapu
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16:00:21DomonokyCrash91: and thats really your real name ?
16:00:39Crash91yes,
16:00:51Crash91why would i make it up?
16:00:52GodEater_Crash91: done
16:01:00Crash91i read the rule about NinjaBoy...
16:01:05Crash91GodEater_:thanks!
16:01:23DomonokyCrash91: it just sounds unfamiliar... where are you from ?
16:02:14Crash91India
16:02:22Crash91and well, yeah i even have a queer name there
16:02:31Bagder:-)
16:02:34Domonoky:-)
16:02:48Crash91:-) < make it three
16:03:00GodEater_:-) < joining in
16:03:13Crash91:-) < Just for the hell of it
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16:03:42DarkStylistand now a friend sent me a customized codec for current sansa build
16:03:44jhMikeS(-: < just to be different
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16:04:46GodEater_DarkStylist: it's extremely unlikely that a single codec file will work with the build of Rockbox you have on your sansa at the moment. You will *need* to get an entirely customised build.
16:05:51Crash91haha: http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
16:06:14Crash91wow ...people actually thumb it up...
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16:07:40DarkStylistmaybe he's running an older build
16:07:46TheCompWizanyone thought about implementing voice-activation on some of the devices that have mics?
16:07:53GodEater_DarkStylist: that is entirely irrelevant
16:08:24BagderTheCompWiz: yes http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5188
16:08:33TheCompWizah. spiffy ;)
16:09:02Bagder"20 April 2006" and not a single comment on it ;-)
16:09:08TheCompWizLOL
16:09:26TheCompWiztypically... how much processing power is in these devices?
16:09:34TheCompWiz(I havn't done a lot of research on 'em yet)
16:09:36Crash91well, that varies
16:09:51Crash91AFAIK, the gigabeat tops it with 300MHz
16:09:59Crash91my sansa is 80MHz
16:10:08Crash91and i dont really know about the rest
16:10:11markunbut the Gigabeat has no mic
16:10:23Crash91markun: never, knew that,
16:10:27TheCompWizon a sansa... while in use... how much cpu is consumed?
16:10:43GodEater_TheCompWiz: most of it
16:10:46markunTheCompWiz: depends on what you are using it for
16:10:47GodEater_although it depends on the codec
16:10:51TheCompWizLOL
16:11:16TheCompWizI was thinkin' typical mp3... (no video)
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16:11:37Crash91^−− What GodEater_ said
16:11:54TheCompWizfigures.
16:12:16TheCompWizso... guess a voice-analysis type setup... is pretty much out of the question...
16:12:59GodEater_you wouldn't do voice analysis anyway
16:13:14GodEater_you do it how mobile phones do - which is a comparison to a pre-recorded sample
16:13:19GodEater_much less work
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16:13:52GodEater_doesn't really appeal to me though
16:14:03DarkStylistwhy is rockbox so locked to codecs ?
16:14:12GodEater_I don't really want people staring at me while I'm on the bus as I shout "play" into my mp3 player
16:14:20GodEater_DarkStylist: what on earth do you mean ?
16:14:57DarkStylistwell on older builds dropping codec would work but not on newer
16:15:10GodEater_I still have no clue what you mean
16:15:19GodEater_what does "dropping codec" mean ?
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16:16:06DarkStylistmeans dropping a codec in the codec dir
16:16:20linuxstbDarkStylist: For efficiency reasons, part of a codec is in core Rockbox - the ".codec" file is just part of it.
16:16:20GodEater_what makes you think it would work on an older build ?
16:18:49Crash91i corrected FeatureComparison to show AA on the sansa
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16:22:31hanseatichi
16:22:42hanseatici have a sansa e280 here
16:23:03hanseatichow can i see wether it's version ! or 2?
16:23:24preglowjhMikeS: i'm trying out that other noise shaping now
16:23:43Tuplanollahanseatic: turn it around and check lower right corner, OF version
16:23:52pixelmahanseatic: what is the original firmware's version number?
16:23:55Crash91hanseatic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200v2
16:24:45hanseaticmade in china
16:24:48hanseaticmodel e280
16:24:52hanseaticnothing bout v2
16:24:54Crash91mine too
16:25:06Crash91ok load up the OF
16:25:21Crash91settings>info , click until FW version shows
16:26:14hanseaticthnx
16:26:22hanseaticso it is not a v2
16:26:24hanseaticgood
16:26:28Crash91hanseatic: what version is it?
16:27:29hanseaticmodel: E280
16:27:57Tuplanollaif the version is something 3.xx then it's v2
16:28:09Crash91hanseatic: i mean firmware
16:28:46hanseaticit is still sealed
16:29:01Crash91if anyone uses windows with their e200, unzip this onto it :) enjoy the nice icon
16:29:03Crash91http://files-upload.com/files/664921/e200.zip
16:29:03hanseaticcovered in some plasic foil
16:29:15Crash91oh that, yeah well remove it
16:29:25Crash91you can still return it after checking it out
16:29:33hanseatick
16:29:42linuxstbDon't v2s have "audible support" written on the packaging?
16:29:57Tuplanollayea, they do have it
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16:31:08preglowjhMikeS: might say it's an improvement, but it depends how much you like hf noise
16:31:11preglowjhMikeS: got some samples if you want
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16:33:00hanseatic01.02.18e
16:33:07pixelmalinuxstb: there were reports that some refurbished players had the wrong back, labelling that it would be a v2. If it's one in the original package I think it will be indicator enough.
16:33:26Crash91hanseatic: To recognize a v2 of these devices, carefully look for the “v2? text on the backside or for “audible.com support” on the box.
16:33:33hanseaticis there a way to tell, if it has a radio tuner?
16:33:34preglowjhMikeS: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/dither/, the unmarked ones are 8 bit, the other ones are 4 bit. as you can hear, the lipshitz one clips a bit in the 4 bit case
16:33:45Crash91ok that check out, you have the lastest firmware and its a v1
16:33:47hanseatici bought it in europe
16:34:00Crash91thats why the e is presenrt
16:34:25jhMikeSpreglow: you're working on that now?
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16:34:50preglowjhMikeS: not working on it, just testing it out
16:34:55jhMikeSpreglow: afa hf noise, depends. too high and it gets that piercing quality
16:35:09*jhMikeS will listen to the examples
16:35:14preglowjhMikeS: and this is quite high, but 8 bits and 4 bits are hardly realistic...
16:35:45jhMikeSyou're dithering to 8 and 4 bits...lol
16:36:13preglowsure
16:36:19hanseatic@crash k..
16:36:35preglowi haven't got a chance in hell to hear the difference at 16 bits, and i like to hear a pronounced effect
16:36:40jhMikeSI don't think I've ever knowingly listened to 4-bit audio depth before
16:37:12hanseaticis there a way finding out about radio tuner hardware in it, without voiding the warranty?
16:37:50Crash91hanaseatic: yes, there wil;be a radio option in the menu, and if it plays, it has the hardware
16:38:52preglowjhMikeS: i do that all the time :)
16:39:09preglowjhMikeS: you get quite nice dynamic range at lower freqs qith this noise shaper, even at 4 bits
16:39:17jhMikeSpreglow: I have your earilier 8-bit demo and I can say the FIR filter is much, much better sounding
16:39:32preglowyeah, i agree completely
16:39:45preglowand at lower bit depths, it'll be even better
16:39:57preglowso i think i'll try to hack in support for this bugger
16:40:08hanseaticCrash1: it doesn's say anything about radio in the main menu, are you shure on that?
16:40:09jhMikeSthe audibility of the noise in the current one is might higher for the same depth
16:40:13preglowperhaps add an extra option to dithering: Off, normal, high-quality
16:40:22preglowthen again, that'd add an extra codepath...
16:40:26jhMikeSs/might/much
16:40:32jhMikeSwhy?
16:40:50Crash91hanaseatic: yes im sure, IIRC the RIAA banned the FM in europe
16:40:54jhMikeSyou add another function to the pointer table for outputs
16:41:04preglowjhMikeS: well, another function, then
16:41:11hanseaticCrash: even on the european firmware? the guy i bought it from @ ebay offered a radio "feature" for 10euro extra
16:41:15preglowjhMikeS: to not impact performance we'd have to duplicate the rest of the dithering code
16:41:24hanseaticdon't think he has different models
16:41:31Crash91hanseatic: -.- obviously that was a scam
16:41:58pixelmaCrash91, hanseatic: currently there are models with and without radio available
16:41:59markunCrash91: some sansas only have FM disabled in software iirc
16:42:01Crash91hanseatic: you wasted 10 euro, as you can either have it with radio or without, european onse dont have it
16:42:48Crash91oh didnt realise that pixelma
16:43:01hanseatici obviously did not spend the 10 € since i will be able to switch this feature on myself, if the hardware supports it
16:43:29pixelmaas markun said, you'll find out if you install rockbox (or install an american version of the original firmware - I know of at least 2 cases for the c200)
16:43:33Crash91hanseatic: well, you can downgrade the firmware to see if there is any
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16:43:37hanseaticonly thing is, how to tell, if the hardware does it?
16:43:52hanseaticwithout voiding warranty ;)
16:43:53markunhanseatic: what pixelma says
16:44:18markunjust remove rockbox if you ever send it in for repair
16:44:31markunand don't tell them you voided the warranty :)
16:44:48Crash91hanseatic: it would be easier if you use an american version..
16:44:52hanseaticokay :)
16:44:54Crash91quicker as well
16:45:32Crash91here: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
16:45:40jhMikeSpreglow: didn't look like much needed duplication, the differences outweight the similarities I think.
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16:46:36Crash91hanseatic: simply drop the file onto your e200 and it will install it when you turn on, to upgrade, use sansa updater from the sandisk website
16:48:18Crash91i like this...looks cool :) http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41YeuYU6f1L._AA160_.gif
16:48:20jhMikeSpreglow: ideally I want ASM optimized mono/stereo functions
16:48:43preglowideally i'd want that too, but gej...
16:48:48preglowgeh
16:49:03hanseaticre, sry afaik i just need to install the american FW
16:49:05jhMikeSnah, no geh :)
16:49:15preglowduplicated code all over
16:49:22pixelmaand I thought hanseatic was here because he wanted to install Rockbox anyways :)
16:49:28preglowone for mono, one for stereo, one for each dithering case
16:49:33hanseaticbut i'll probably go for rockbox immediately
16:49:41jhMikeSpreglow: I have an idea though
16:49:58Crash91pixelma: oh yeah...god point :P forgot this was rockbox,
16:49:59preglowjhMikeS: you think we can use the same noise for both channels, though?
16:50:08Crash91good*
16:50:36jhMikeSpreglow: you can wrap an inline function in a non-inlined function passing some params as constant, and it will be pruned
16:51:13jhMikeSpreglow: you mean the same random output? hmm
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16:52:07preglowjhMikeS: aye
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16:52:24preglowjhMikeS: basically just looking for things that'd justify writing a separate stereo version
16:53:01jhMikeSpreglow: like I said, wrap an inline that takes a channel count parameter as a constant
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16:54:02jhMikeSit work like a charm...did it in thread.c to avoid just this sort of duplicating of effort
16:54:42preglowyeah, but in asm...
16:55:05jhMikeSASM has macros, no?
16:55:13preglowindeed
16:55:15preglowtrue enough
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17:12:43*Crash91 goes off to see whether he can make a good enough theme for the theme contest..
17:13:54Crash91does anyone think there is anything that should go in there?
17:16:44*jhMikeS wonders if any techniques exist for improving the sound of low-depth input
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17:24:01preglowjhMikeS: where do you see low depth input?
17:25:21jhMikeSpreglow: if you have say, an 8-bit wav file and wish to help it sound a bit better...sort of an "anti-quantizer" thing. I'm thinking dither could still be used but is a different manner.
17:26:30jhMikeScome to think of it, I'm going to just do something in an audio editor real quick
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17:27:14Traveler8can others upload plugins to rockbox's source?
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17:31:49pixelmayou submit it to the tracker and hope that someone with commit access takes care of it
17:31:54preglowjhMikeS: i think there's little to be done about that
17:32:50Traveler8alright, nothing fancy but have a real basic rts in the making, kinda like starcraft or age of empires
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17:34:46Traveler8still need to add enemy ai, but I'd like to see what others can do with it
17:36:19preglowjhMikeS: the information thrown away from the quantizer is lost, with no prior knowledge about what produced the sound. all you can do is shape the noise that is there, and you don't really know where that noise is
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17:39:15jhMikeSpreglow: and yet it's visually striking when looking at it expanded
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17:44:20linuxstbTraveler8: If you want your plugin to be committed to SVN and included in the official builds, you need to make sure it works on as many different devices as possible - preferably all that Rockbox supports. You should also read the CONTRIBUTING guidelines - in the docs/ directory in the Rockbox source.
17:45:54DomonokyTraveler8: also put a patch on the tracker, then others can help, especially for porting to other devices...
17:48:40Traveler8okay, should work on all platforms that rockbox's pong was made for
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17:55:05hanseatici have installed rockbox, and bootloader on the E280. apparently successful, but the original FW keeps booting?
17:56:30hanseaticit boots with the message "updating database"
17:58:23hanseatici used the rockbox utility on ubuntu gutsy
17:58:29hanseaticany ideas
17:58:42hanseaticmountpoint was correct, device too
17:59:54linuxstbDo you still have the USB cable plugged in?
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18:00:19hanseaticwhen i unplug it after install it reboots
18:00:41linuxstbThen it sounds like the bootloader install didn't work.
18:00:57hanseatici ve also tried sansapatcher
18:01:17hanseaticthe e200 is connected, but nut mounted
18:01:25linuxstbAnd sansapatcher worked?
18:01:25hanseaticusb mode is msc
18:01:26pixelmaand it also starts the original firmware if you just turn it on?
18:01:39hanseaticsansapatcher ended with success
18:01:45hanseatici'll redo it
18:02:14hanseaticdo i need to have root privs?
18:02:36krazykityes, run it with sudo
18:03:19hanseaticthen unplug?
18:03:34hanseatici used rockbox utility in userspace
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18:04:17krazykithanseatic, it might prompt you to hit "i" to install, but after sansapatcher sends you back to the prompt, it should be safe to remove
18:04:17hanseaticyeah, rockbox boots now
18:05:45hanseaticstill the menu i see does not look like a "theme"
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18:08:49odb|fidel_hello. any chance that there will be a rockbox release for the ipod classic ?
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18:10:15SuleetoGood morning (or evening if you're on the other side of the world from me)
18:10:17linuxstbodb|fidel_: No-one is working on it...
18:10:26odb|fidel_actually the ipod is only interesting for me with rockbox hehe
18:10:33linuxstbSuleeto: Good afternoon. ;)
18:10:46odb|fidel_linuxstb: missing hardware ?
18:10:50TuplanollaSuleeto: good evening :)
18:11:01odb|fidel_or just ouf of interest for the project-devs in general
18:11:17linuxstbodb|fidel_: Brand new (undocumented) hardware and strongly encrypted firmware preventing third-party code being run.
18:11:24SuleetoI'm requesting write access to the wiki... it seems I've stirred the pot a bit at ABi and the result is a chunk of information on the Sansa Express.
18:11:43SuleetoI want to set up a formal page there and contribute the bare essential data as described in the wiki guidelines
18:12:02SuleetoI'm working on obtaining the scans of the PCB next
18:12:12odb|fidel_linuxstb: ok thank you very much for the quick response
18:12:31pixelmaSuleeto: you're Jason Arro?
18:12:37SuleetoYes.
18:12:48*Suleeto grins
18:13:21Suleetonot much of an engineer, but i'm a reasonably skilled facilitator ;)
18:14:00pixelmayou should have write access now
18:14:28Suleetothank you :D
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18:18:48Suleetonow I just have to figure out how to update the thing lol.
18:18:59Suleeto(without boggling it up)
18:19:10*Suleeto is thankfully cautious
18:19:45krazykitSuleeto, there is a preview button for whatever you post, and there should be some information on twiki wiki syntax
18:20:13SuleetoIes the syntax is what I'm looking for
18:20:16Suleetoyes*
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18:28:45Suleetook, i'm going to swallow some pride here and ask for some guidance to point me in the right direction for starting a port page in the wiki
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18:29:06SuleetoI'd like to get the info up there as soon as possible to motivate others to send me more info.
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18:29:08BagderSuleeto: www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
18:29:20Bagderoh
18:29:24Suleetoperfect, thanks :D
18:29:58Suleetooh no I have some info, I'm strickly talking about the wiki entry
18:30:02Suleetosice now I have write access
18:30:09Bagderyeah, that struck me ;-)
18:30:14Suleetolol ;)
18:30:22Bagdercreate one in the same manner as the existing ones I'd say
18:30:25Suleeto(see? I'm doin! I'm doin! :P )
18:30:45Bagderwhat target btw?
18:31:49SuleetoSansa Express, which has no page. That's the confusion I'm running into, I can't find the "ports" document that apparently contains the list of ports
18:31:53Suleetospeakig of which,
18:32:12Suleetodo you guys want it directly on Ports, or in OtherTargets?
18:32:38Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus is pretty much all ports
18:33:05Bagderthere's no hierarchy really, just create a page with a suitable name
18:33:19Bagderbbl
18:33:39Suleetok thanks
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18:43:32SuleetoWhere on the TargetStatus wiki page would you guys prefer the Sansa Express new data?
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18:43:52Suleetoit's not exactly an active project, nor an inactive development.....?
18:44:25SuleetoI'm not sure of the preference of the community about this
18:44:30krazykit"information gathering" or something.
18:44:47Crash91or "newly started port"
18:46:10SuleetoOk, I'm going use "Newly Started Ports" as a new section and put the Express there, thanks
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18:58:05Crash91does rockbox switch off the charger current after the battery is charged?
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18:58:45DomonokyCrash91: on most devices charging is controlled by hardware
18:59:06Crash91ok, thats good
18:59:08Crash91sansa?
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18:59:15Suleetook take a look and tell me what you think: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus
18:59:25Suleeto(hint: the section is added after "new ports"
18:59:32Crash91good subheader :)
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19:01:07SuleetoSo the Sansa Express page is going to be off of Main I take it
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19:19:29jhMikeSpreglow: actually it seems possible to pull off
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19:27:05preglowjhMikeS: how?
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19:28:46Suleetook I added the section there: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus
19:28:48jhMikeSpreglow: I know I'm cheating a bit by using my own artificially generated profiles in the noise reduction but it is proves some reconstruction is possible.
19:28:54Suleetoand the link to the other page I added, for the Express
19:29:39Suleetosomeone on ABi already broke apart an Express and took pictures, I'm trying to contact him to get him to scan the PCB for us
19:29:52Suleetothen i can hunt down the components
19:31:58preglowjhMikeS: how?
19:32:11jhMikeSbrown noise
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19:36:12advcomp2019Suleeto, you could head over to #anythingbutipod and ask him
19:37:42jhMikeSpreglow: jhmikes.cleansoap.org/anti_8-bit.flac">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/anti_8-bit.flac <= 1st is untouched, 2nd just me messing around
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19:43:57Suleetoadv really what server is that hosted on?
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19:48:20advcomp2019Suleeto, freenode like rockbox.. sorry about being off topic a little
19:52:47Suleetono that's fine, it's of use. I am trying to hunt down the guy, whoever he is, anyways
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20:09:05Davide-NYCis anyone else getting a build errors?
20:10:26Davide-NYCWinXPSP2 with Cygwin error:
20:10:28Davide-NYCrecorder/recording.c:524: warning: 'fmt_gain' defined but not used
20:10:29Davide-NYCmake[1]: *** [/home/Administrator/rockbox/h1x0.build/apps/recorder/recording.o]
20:10:31Davide-NYCError 1
20:10:32Davide-NYCmake: *** [build] Error 2
20:10:55Davide-NYCafk
20:11:02bertriknope, builds fine here
20:11:23jhMikeSthe warning shouldn't matter. what's with the error?
20:11:49jhMikeSa 'make clean' doesn't fix?
20:12:00Davide-NYCnope
20:12:06Davide-NYCneither does a reconfigure
20:13:05Davide-NYC*actually that's only true for and advanced configure using rtc and sim
20:13:24Davide-NYCI'm doing a reconfig + clean on a regular build now
20:15:54Davide-NYCoh boy, now I get a massive error. All of it having to do with 'recording.c'. And that's my favorite file. (everytime it'stouched I update and test.
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20:16:42jhMikeSbut not if say, pcm_record.c is touched? :)
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20:17:06Davide-NYCHaha, yeah anything that has to do with recording. Check out the error: http://pastebin.com/md1c84f4
20:17:25bertrikoh it's a botched patch
20:17:42bertrikI thought, because of the <<
20:17:55bertriksorry, wrong diagnosis
20:18:00Davide-NYCBotch was a mathcore band.
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20:18:28jhMikeSwell, the compiler can throw tons of errors if some char is missing like a ";" or whatever
20:19:05Davide-NYCWhat should I do?
20:19:26*jhMikeS goes to line 1481 and sees no <<
20:19:48jhMikeShave any "<<<<<<<" stuff there?
20:20:05bertrikI see no << in the file at all
20:20:17*jhMikeS neither
20:20:26jhMikeSlooks like conflict markers indeed
20:20:30Davide-NYCthat's the entire error
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20:20:54jhMikeSsvn revert apps/recorder/recording.c
20:23:16Davide-NYCack, I just found some ancient code that I put there, was commented but I guess the recent changes exposed soem of it. I'm an idiot sorry
20:23:26Davide-NYC*it was commented out
20:23:49Davide-NYCwaiting for make...
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20:28:08jhMikeSok, I'm just getting reeeeaaaally tired of waiting through "CC codec_crt0.c".
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20:29:09Davide-NYCis there a "no games" switch for make?
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20:29:20Davide-NYCsuccess!
20:29:34Davide-NYCThanks jhMikeS (again).
20:29:47jhMikeSwell there's "make rocks" but that makes codecs too :\
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20:30:32alsafa chap over at abi has posted the results of fdisk on a sansa express
20:30:56alsafIt displayed the following:
20:31:08alsaf /dev/sda1 * 1 3619 998532+ 6 FAT16
20:32:27alsafI've posted all the results on the sansa v2 forum, does that mean the firmware is stored on the 20MB hidden partition and be easier to access than the m200 where it doesn't display anything when doing fdisk?
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20:40:15Suleetohah alsaf
20:40:18SuleetoI'm here' too :P
20:40:23Suleetoand on #anythingbutipod
20:40:32Suleetoguesswhat, the guy reassembled the express :(
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20:44:13bertrikwithout taking pictures?
20:45:03Suleetohe took pictures, but i dont think or know for sure if he took *scans* of the PCB
20:45:08Suleetowhich is what I am after
20:45:55Suleetohe took it apart for an ABi article to evaluate the guts
20:46:19Suleetoon a purely superficial level, not for what I want to do, which is pre-development on a port
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20:55:22preglowjhMikeS: well, that's way better
20:55:27preglowjhMikeS: exactly what do you do?
20:57:54jhMikeSpreglow: create a brown noise profile (actually a bit darker than that). use that for the noise reduction profile. the settings aren't too important, just set it till it sounds right. after that, add some filtered white noise (filtered using recursive mix paste) to mask things a little. I probabaly overdid the level a bit.
20:58:38preglowwell, it does sound nice
20:58:45preglowi just hope i don't find any audio where i'll need that process :>
20:59:38jhMikeSI just wanted to see if I could actually extract something decent from already quantized material.
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21:05:57jhMikeSIn the past I had plenty of crummy sounding audio clips I wanted to make decent to use as sound effects in movies or music or whatever.
21:06:30jhMikeSNever tried that one though
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21:15:50preglowso you've never sampled kraftwerk to put in a movie before? what kind of person are you :P
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21:39:36webguest65hi i have a queastion i have a lot of video converters that i use to convert my movies to mpeg so rockbox can play them but they wont play. do you guys know of a free converter i can use to convert my movies to a format that rockbox can play?
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21:42:39linuxstbwebguest65: The PluginMpegplayer wiki page lists lots of encoders that are known to work with Rockbox
21:43:14webguest65ok thank you i'll look at it right now. :)
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22:49:11etedorhellooo rockbox people who should help me please :(
22:49:12Bagderwow, during dec so far, e200 is the most downloaded build from the build page
22:49:35etedorall the more reason to help me 8(
22:49:53n1setedor: it's a lot easier if you tell us what the problem is
22:49:56advcomp2019etedor, what is the problem
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22:50:13wippeouthello
22:50:20etedore250 with rockbox doesn't show up under drives
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22:50:29etedorand i don't see anywhere to turn on msc mode in settings
22:50:31n1setedor: rebbot it to the OF
22:50:36wippeoutsome news about rockbox ?
22:50:44etedororiginal firmware?
22:50:45Bagderwippeout: always
22:50:51wippeoutoups
22:50:55wippeoutzen vision
22:51:01Bagdernever
22:51:02n1setedor: yes, rockbox doesn't support usb transfers on sansas yet
22:51:03Bagder;-)
22:51:19etedor... oh
22:51:23Bagderwippeout: check the forum thread, that's about the only place where vision m things happen
22:51:35etedorwhat does it use then? i just got a refurb that came with no software
22:51:38wippeouti seen
22:51:47scorche|wetedor: you can use the OF
22:52:03advcomp2019etedor, it uses the sansa firmware or OF
22:52:23wippeouti just want to know the missing part to have a fully new version for zen vision
22:52:27scorche|wthe sansa firmware *is* the OF...
22:52:45Bagderwippeout: yes, and... "the forum thread, that's about the only place"
22:53:05etedor... so what exactly do i do with it. i downloaded the firmware updater but it doesn't do anything. i didn't get any software cd with it
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22:53:30scorche|wetedor: hold << while booting it
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22:54:31advcomp2019etedor, why do you need the updater.. when the OF is on the sansa if you did the steps right
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22:55:03etedorok to be sure, of = original firmware?
22:55:13scorche|wyes
22:55:14advcomp2019etedor, yes
22:55:33etedorok. i got a refurb e250. it came with no software. you say rockbox doesn't support usb transfer
22:55:38etedorso what am i supposed to use to transfer?
22:55:45Bagderetedor: so it didn't work?
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22:56:09Bagderyou bought a broken player?
22:56:18etedorit came with the original firmware
22:56:22etedorbut it's not reading id3 tags or something
22:56:28n1setedor: the sansa OF can connect over msc or mtp no need for any special software
22:56:31Bagderso then you have the OF
22:56:53etedorso are people rebooting into of when they want to transfer music?
22:56:57n1syes
22:57:01advcomp2019etedor, yea
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22:57:29etedorok. any chance you guys know why my tags aren't being read in the OF?
22:57:52scorche|wthis channel is about rockbox...just about rockbox ;)
22:58:16advcomp2019etedor, that is offtopic for this channel
22:58:22safetydanetedor, life will be easier if you only use the of to transfer files over USB and Rockbox for everything else.
22:58:43etedorwell. the music i transferred in msc mode doesn't even show up in rockbox under files
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22:59:13advcomp2019etedor, the music folder is hidden
22:59:31etedori unhid it. i've already transferred music into there
22:59:40Bagderthe OF rehides it
22:59:49Bagderrename it and smile
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23:01:20etedoralright... is there an eta on actual usb transfer support?
23:01:26Bagderno
23:01:32Bagderwe don't do etas
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23:02:36Bagderyou can make it happen sooner by joining in and helping out
23:03:25etedorheh i have no coding ability
23:04:25scorche|wnever a time like the present to learn!
23:04:51etedori've tried. didn't enjoy it
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23:20:30Bagderhehe, busybox sues verizon on license violation
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23:23:22pixelmapeople interested in Llorean's talk with real might also be interested in this post by him: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14244.msg106624#msg106624. Just thought I could point there in case no one else saw it...
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23:27:33scorche|winteresting...i might have a go at finding out more of that since i have been lurking in the OLPC community for a bit lately
23:27:35preglowBagder: hah, sues
23:27:37preglowthat's nice
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23:28:08Bagderyeah, talk about david and goliath ...
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23:29:24Bagderis that cover flow plugin for real?
23:29:43preglowwell, i wouldn't know
23:29:46preglowif it is, it's way cool
23:29:50preglowdunno why he hasn't talked to us yet
23:30:02Bagderit looks stunning
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23:30:55preglowi think someone mailed him
23:31:17linuxstbNico_P is apparently working on it...
23:31:25XavierGrI think I saw him here too
23:31:27linuxstb(he's in contact with the author)
23:31:34preglowwhy, leet
23:31:37Nico_Pyeah, I am
23:31:39preglowi'd love that thing in rockbox
23:31:45linuxstbNico_P: Got a patch? ;)
23:31:56preglowNico_P: know anything about the specific?
23:31:57preglows
23:32:24Nico_Plinuxstb: yeah, just a sec
23:32:32Nico_Ppreglow: what kind of specifics?
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23:33:20preglowas how the current plugin works
23:33:31XavierGron a sidenote, will a debian compiled binary work okay on ubuntu (sendfirm.c)
23:33:39preglowshould
23:33:56preglowif a linux binary uses no fancy libs, it should run on most linuxes
23:34:06preglowbut sometimes people can't agree on library naming/versioning
23:34:58XavierGrI will try again upgrading S's binary with the rockbox bootloader, I failed to do so from windows so I will have to try with ubuntu
23:35:15linuxstbsendfirm needs libmtp installed though.
23:35:33XavierGryeah I will ahve that in mind
23:36:21XavierGrlinuxstb: do you have the 30gb or 60gb model?
23:36:29Nico_Plinuxstb, preglow: http://pastebin.ca/808807
23:36:31linuxstb60
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23:36:39Nico_Pshould apply with -p1
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23:38:19linuxstbNico_P: Where does it get the bmps from?
23:38:46Nico_Plinuxstb: /pics/coverx.bmp
23:38:52Nico_Pwhere x is a number
23:39:10linuxstbSo cover1, cover2, cover23 etc?
23:39:22Nico_Pyes
23:39:31linuxstbIs there a limit to the number?
23:39:46linuxstbAnd what size should they be?
23:40:02Nico_Pthey shouldn't be bigger than 100x100
23:40:25preglowNico_P: did you have script for resizing things, you say?
23:40:25Nico_Pand I think no more than 100 pics will be loaded
23:40:36preglowi can't be bothered to find out how imagemagick does stuff again...
23:40:37Nico_Ppreglow: yes, look at the AA wiki page
23:40:45preglowNico_P: leet
23:41:08linuxstbDo you have a script for creating the coverx.bmp files, or did you just do it by hand?
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23:42:19Nico_Plinuxstb: I ran the follwing in the pics dir
23:42:21Nico_Pj=0; find /home/nicolas/musique/Albums/ -iname "cover.jpg" | while read file; do echo $file; j=$((j+1)); convert "$file" -thumbnail 100x100 "cover$j.bmp"; done;
23:43:06linuxstbPerfect ;)
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23:47:45preglowahaha
23:47:45preglowthis rocks
23:48:37preglowi need to start collecting album art :)
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23:52:34linuxstbNico_P: How many covers is it storing in memory ? It seems to be forgetting them...
23:53:23Nico_Pyeah it's not keeping them all although it could, and there's a delay between each loading for debugging
23:55:49preglowamiconn: with a voice file loaded, the status bar lags on nano...
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23:56:50pixelmanot that I would care much but 100x100 would be too big for at least on colour target... ;)
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23:57:41Nico_Pthe aim is to use any size available
23:57:55linuxstbShould it work whilst music is playing?
23:58:19Nico_Plinuxstb: no. it could if we made room for the bitmaps in the main buffer
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23:58:34Nico_Pit will work if the buffer isn't full

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