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#rockbox log for 2007-12-08

00:00:18preglowwhat's the framerate on a g5?
00:00:28preglowit's quite snappy at 50++ on nano
00:01:38linuxstbI've only tried on the gigabeat - around 90-100fps
00:01:59Nico_PI think it's around 20 fps on the G5
00:02:06preglowlinuxstb: you have both gigabeat f and s? :>
00:02:17linuxstbYes ;)
00:02:19preglowNico_P: looks like it can be optimized more
00:02:43linuxstbEnough for the Archos with greyscale lib? ;)
00:02:54Nico_Ppreglow: yeah, jott was syaing that too... I think the original writer has a few improvements in store
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00:03:04preglowbut anyway, this rocks firmly
00:03:19preglowthis is definitely svn material
00:04:21scorche|wnext thing we know, he is going to be getting an iphone... ;)
00:05:39preglowit is kinda glitchy, though
00:05:43preglowit sometimes gives me black albums
00:05:49preglowand i'm certain i don't have the actual one in here :)
00:05:58Nico_Pyeah there is still room for imrpvements
00:06:31*preglow wonders how the textures would look with bilinear filtering...
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00:08:13|NSA|hmm, well i just tried deleting the currently playing file on my sansa, and the thing froze and seems dead now
00:08:17|NSA|what should i do?
00:08:37pradinAny reason why I'm getting "Changes Not Saved" error in the text_editor?
00:09:09linuxstb|NSA|: Hold POWER for about 10-15 seconds
00:09:40|NSA|yay
00:09:49|NSA|worked thanks
00:11:35|NSA|is there a bug number somewhere about getting usb mass storage device drivers working?
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00:19:45webguest48hi. i have some general questions regarding rockbox and a specific question regarding identifying sansa e280 as v1 or v2. could I ask them here?
00:20:40advcomp2019webguest48, what firmware version do you have
00:20:49pixelmadon't ask to ask, just ask (as long as it has something to do with Rockbox ;)
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00:21:57webguest48okay. am I correct in interpreting that I can play flac truly gapless on a rockboxed sansa e280?
00:23:55bertrikI have not much experience with the flac codec, but generally: yes does gapless playback
00:23:59webguest48advcomp2019: I haven't got the player yet, so I don't have any firmware at all :)
00:24:12webguest48nice
00:24:26advcomp2019webguest48, o ok
00:24:56webguest48do you know how to identify a sansa e280 v1 from a e280 v2 (as rockbox is supported on v1 and not on v2)?
00:25:13bertrikrockbox has a buffering mechanism which decodes the next track to be played in advance
00:25:31advcomp2019webguest48, the easiest way is with the firmware
00:25:57webguest48I am looking to buy from a webshop and their e280 has a manufacturer id SDMX4-8192-E70. is this v1 or v2?
00:26:05n1sor looknig for "v2" printed on the back...
00:26:27webguest48okay. so I need to buy the player before I know?
00:26:48scorche|wyou cna check if the packaging says "audible support" or not
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00:27:06n1swebguest48: if it claims to support "audible" drm audio books it's a v2
00:27:21webguest48okay. let me see
00:27:29manlighthow do you boot the stock fimware on a sansa e260
00:27:40bertrikhold left while booting
00:27:58advcomp2019webguest48, is it new or refurbished
00:27:58bertrikor plugin USB while it is off
00:28:05manlightthanks
00:30:47manlightwhen i start rockbox and go to plugins the viewer folder dooesnt show up. Why?
00:30:56manlighton a sansa e260
00:31:05webguest48advcomp2019: I'm not sure what you mean. I haven't bought it yet :)
00:31:16bertrikviewer folder?
00:31:25n1smanlight: you are not supposed to launch the vieweres, read the manual
00:31:34manlightwhat?
00:31:39n1smanual
00:31:42manlighti want to use rockboy
00:32:25manlightin the manual it shows rockboy under viewers
00:32:51manlightwait
00:32:52n1syes and it tells you how to play a rom too
00:33:01manlightalright i missed it
00:33:14manlightit starts it when u select it
00:34:21advcomp2019webguest48, some places have new e200s and some place have refurbished e200s.. sometimes you can find that on the page too
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00:35:40webguest48advcomp2019: any idea about how new the v2 is?
00:37:17bobruleswhat's next on the rockbox agenda?
00:37:41scorche|wrockbox doesnt have an agenda
00:37:57bobrulesI know
00:38:22scorche|wif you know rockbox doesnt have one, then why ask what is next on the nonexistent object?
00:38:44advcomp2019webguest48, not really but they are starting to pop out on the market tho.. most refurbished e200s as far as we seen are the v1 so far
00:40:18|NSA|i cant get the dict plugin to detect the dictionaries
00:41:12|NSA|desc and index files into .rockbox?
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00:42:24Workaphobi1I find the comment above plugin_api in plugin.h a little confusing. It says to preserve backwards compatibility, add new plugin functions to the end of the structure. Why is the order in the struct important? Won't any dependent code get recompiled?
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00:42:40Workaphobi1gah.. darn ghosting.
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00:43:52n1sWorkaphobi1: it's meant to provide backwards compatibility with compiled binary plugins
00:45:28Workaphobi1but a lot of the functions there are in order - were they all just added at the same time, or are they periodically regrouped, breaking compatibility?
00:48:44linuxstbThe latter.
00:49:53Workaphobi1Ah, ok.
00:50:47webguest48advcomp2019: thank you! I'll look around for a v1 of the product. If I find it I'll get it, install Rockbox and finally enjoy my flacs at gapless playback. :)
00:51:45|NSA|where can i et dictionary fikes for the dict plugin and where should i put them?
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01:04:36webguest48oh. one last question: will a sansa e200 work as a usb mass storage device (ie. i don't have to install any specific software to get my files onto the device: just drag'n'drop the flac files onto the device once it is hooked up to a usb port)?
01:05:08linuxstbYes
01:05:39jottfor which parts of the tagcache api, it is reasonable, to make them accessible in the plugin api? i currently only use ..._search, _search_set_uniqbuf, _get_next and _search_finished, but made every method in tagcache.h "public" (which seems too much to me)
01:07:16linuxstbThe general principle is to add functions to the plugin api as and when they're used by plugins.
01:07:22webguest48linuxstb: was that "yes" relating to my question about sansa e200 acting as a usb mass storage device?
01:07:36linuxstbwebguest48: Yes.
01:08:21webguest48linuxstb: thanks :)
01:08:28|NSA|webguest48: you need to reboot into the original firmware though i think
01:09:01jottlinuxstb: so just add those 4 methods i use to it?
01:09:18linuxstbjott: Yes.
01:09:18webguest48advcomp2019: thank you for your kind assitance!
01:09:24jottthanks
01:09:33webguest48|NSA|: ok. thanks! :)
01:09:48advcomp2019webguest48, your welcome
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01:30:05preglowthere are quite a few decibel formatters in rockbox...
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01:37:46Workaphobi1Any chance the current svn's broken? Or is it more likely my problem?
01:38:17preglowwhat problem?
01:38:41Workaphobi1something related to compiling solitaire
01:38:51Workaphobi1for the simulator
01:39:44preglowprobably your problem, i can compile it fine
01:39:53Workaphobi1ok, thanks.
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01:53:05manlightwhen ever i put files onto my e 260 and start rockbox they dont show up. Can anyone help
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01:53:56|NSA|manlight: where do youput them?
01:54:08manlightinto the video folder
01:54:12manlightand on the root
01:54:46preglowwhat kind of files?
01:54:50pixelmavideo files? What format are those?
01:55:02manlightan .mpg and a gbc
01:55:32psycho_maniacmaybe you just have only "music" to show in your directories?
01:55:47pixelmawhat is your "show files" option set to?
01:56:15manlightlet me check
01:56:39psycho_maniacsupported
01:57:35manlightthanks
01:57:40manlightit works now
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01:58:45psycho_maniacwhoops. i thought manlight asked that question pixelma
01:59:22Workaphobi1I'm using rb->splash, which is supposed to use printf formatting, and am somehow getting a letter for %i and %d
01:59:51Workaphobi1"Gotoline: %d" as a format string turns into "Gotoline i" when displayed
02:00
02:00:11preglowWorkaphobi1: are you sure that wasn't %i?
02:00:15preglowrockbox doesn't do %i, just %d
02:00:57Workaphobi1then I suspect I didn't rebuild between them right.
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02:01:09^^^ADAM^^^Hey.. can someone help me ??
02:01:16preglowask
02:01:22^^^ADAM^^^I just installed rockbox on my ipod nano
02:01:27preglowcongrats
02:01:31^^^ADAM^^^ty
02:01:36^^^ADAM^^^got the games working
02:01:39manlight i just installed today too.
02:01:42^^^ADAM^^^doom..
02:01:50^^^ADAM^^^but i cant figure out how to get videos on there
02:01:59^^^ADAM^^^i did the .bat files to convert them
02:02:04^^^ADAM^^^but they dont show the video
02:02:08^^^ADAM^^^just sound
02:02:19linuxstbHow did you encode them?
02:02:38^^^ADAM^^^i used.... the drag and drop into the vlc media player into the .bat file
02:02:50^^^ADAM^^^got a better way ?
02:02:58linuxstbAre you using the official Rockbox bootloader?
02:03:03^^^ADAM^^^yes
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02:03:11^^^ADAM^^^i put the rockbox bootloader on there 1st
02:03:14^^^ADAM^^^then rockbox
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02:03:27linuxstbDo the video files play on your PC?
02:03:30^^^ADAM^^^no
02:03:37^^^ADAM^^^after i convert them
02:03:38^^^ADAM^^^just the sound
02:03:55^^^ADAM^^^how do you convert them ?
02:04:09psycho_maniacso they DO NOT play on your computer OR your player?
02:04:15^^^ADAM^^^exactly
02:04:18^^^ADAM^^^correct
02:04:22linuxstbI don't use mpegplayer.... I've heard that winff works well though.
02:04:32psycho_maniacwinff works great
02:04:39^^^ADAM^^^got a link for me for winff ?
02:04:49^^^ADAM^^^ill try it
02:04:52linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
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02:05:39^^^ADAM^^^it says that the mpegplayer comes with rockbox..
02:05:43^^^ADAM^^^automatically
02:05:58psycho_maniacyou are correct.
02:06:00linuxstbYes, it does - that page describes how to encode videos.
02:06:09linuxstb(including a link to winff)
02:06:25preglowhrm, now that we have a text based config format, we have the additional bother that we can't invalidate settings when we change their format :/
02:07:04linuxstbI've been thinking about that. You could change the name of the setting...
02:08:24preglowhmm
02:08:38lemurso rockbox is pretty much the best OS ever
02:08:39preglowi really want to fix the crossfeed settings being positive when they should be negative
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02:08:45preglowand get rid of a few db formatters in the process
02:09:08preglowbut everyone will end up with completely wrong crossfeed settings and no warning
02:09:14amiconnpreglow: Well, if the settings are range-checked, there should be no problem
02:09:25preglowamiconn: there is, all crossfeed settings end up at 0 db
02:09:38preglowwhile this is no biggie, it will be confusing for some people
02:09:39amiconnOut of range -> default
02:09:54preglowamiconn: really? i just did a test, all settings ended up at 0 db
02:10:38markunpreglow: I use the defaults, so nothing should change, right?
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02:10:44preglowmarkun: correct
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02:11:32*preglow hates the big arm binaries...
02:11:34amiconnThen the settings are either not range-checked... or the range-check chooses the appropriate limit
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02:12:12preglowamiconn: the range checking happens for all settings, yes?
02:12:17^^^ADAM^^^or after i convert using winff.. where do i put the file... rite in the ipod home directory or do i make a new dir called movies or videos.. /
02:12:18preglowit's not implemented per setting?
02:12:23amiconnpreglow: I don't know
02:12:44amiconnI said _if_ they are range checked, not _as_ they are range-checked
02:12:56preglowright, right
02:13:11preglowwell, what do you think? should they be reset to default when out of bounds?
02:13:13amiconnFor instance, backlight is not range checked other than for the low limit (in the backlight driver)
02:13:16preglowdoesn't sound too silly to me
02:14:04amiconnSo you can set a longer timeout than the GUI allows via .cfg file, but if you then enter the setting in the GUI, it's limited to the upper limit
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02:16:27amiconnIt seems the settings GUI does range-checking for numeric settings, applying clamping instead of reverting to default
02:16:52preglowwell, what is the more logical behaviour?
02:16:54amiconnBut loading the .cfg does no range-checking itself
02:16:58preglowok
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02:17:43preglowbut does the settings stuff go through the layer that clamps at all, or does config loading call the set_ functions directly?
02:17:45*amiconn thinks a little more consistent behaviour would be good
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02:18:35amiconnThe latter.
02:19:27preglowouch
02:19:37preglowso it calls the crossfeed setters with a big positive gain
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02:19:41preglowwell, they seem to handle it ok...
02:19:51preglowsounds crap, but doesn't explode
02:20:31amiconnThe crossfeed set_ functions don't check themselves?
02:21:23preglowi saw no reason for them to check
02:21:41preglowi knew gui settings clipped, and i assumed settings loading did too
02:21:45preglowat the time it was binary anyway
02:22:25amiconnAtm it does not, and it also didn't in binsettings time iirc
02:22:37preglowno, but then you couldn't go very far out of range
02:22:46preglowand in crossfeeds case, you could only go more negative, and that didn't matter
02:23:13amiconnPerhaps it would be good if cfg loading would clamp too
02:23:22preglowi kinda of think it should
02:23:39preglowit would save us from having to clamp all over the place
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02:24:28preglowseems i save 200 bytes on arm from removing two formatters
02:24:49amiconnIt depends. Calling the set_* functions directly from a plugin could still put them out of range
02:25:14amiconnNot very likely for crossfeed settings though
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02:28:04preglowwell, screw it, i think i'll just commit stuf with a warning that it'll break crossfeed settings
02:28:46amiconnMeh. This PP5002 crash bug is annoying :(
02:28:52preglowi can imagine
02:29:23*amiconn now keeps a last-known-good zip for 1st/2nd Gen
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02:30:02amiconnCurrntly this is r15871
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02:32:59preglowmeh
02:33:05preglowwe need to be able to voice fractional numbers
02:33:22preglowthere are tons of decibel values around that need it
02:33:36preglowthen again, i personally don't really see the value in being able to adjust in half decibels
02:33:45preglowbut some other people probably do
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02:52:02preglowthat certainly is red
02:53:16preglowwhat the HELL ?
02:54:44preglow262k points! \o/
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02:55:37berlinbullethello all
02:55:44XavierGrgrats to preglow
02:56:04XavierGrtoo bad that most are asleep and we can't celebreate for it :P
02:56:23XavierGrwhat's the highest score again?
02:56:41preglowi don't know, but this must be some kind of record :)
02:57:07preglowi don't really understand how lang.h got involved, though
02:57:23berlinbulleti had a quick question regarding a theme not loading right on a gigabeat.. if anyone happens to know about that
02:57:32berlinbulletsorry to interupt :S
02:57:56preglowhow not loading right?
02:58:45berlinbulletWell, its the jsunu theme.. and instead of the nice now playing screen, everything crams to the top of the screen and just shows two bars with my left/right audio levels displayin
02:59:04preglowyou're using an offical rockbox build?
02:59:09berlinbulletyup
02:59:12preglowhmm
02:59:14preglow*shrug*
02:59:17preglowdon't know too much about themes
02:59:45berlinbulletyeah, i wasnt too sure either... that and Slant both do the same thing for the now playing
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03:01:45preglowi wonder why the hell this shit doesn't happen here
03:03:24preglowpfew, back to normal
03:03:25preglowbedtime
03:04:34|NSA|how do i refresh the database
03:08:38berlinbulletyou should be able to refresh it by going to database in settings
03:09:41|NSA|found it thanks. i think there should be a option for it within the database menu though. /me goes to see if there is a bug about that
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03:41:26amiconn-= ?? :>
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03:42:40AK-47hello
03:43:14psycho_maniachi
03:43:18AK-47Would java support be good for rockbox?
03:44:53Mouser_XNot really.
03:45:28Mouser_XYou could do it if you wanted, but I don't know how well it would be handled on low-powered CPUs.
03:45:58AK-47what about flash support?
03:46:10psycho_maniacwhy do you want java and flash
03:46:19Mouser_XIndeed.
03:46:25AK-47to make it....better?
03:46:45AK-47nvm
03:47:11psycho_maniachow would java or flash make it better?
03:47:51AK-47You could have more people develop apps for it.
03:48:20psycho_maniacwhy not just have them learn c
03:48:38|NSA|"lets run counterstrike and half life on an mp3 player with a 2 in screen"
03:49:02psycho_maniacthat would look great not
03:49:07AK-47Good idea....
03:49:14Mouser_XOooh! Finally! My prayers would be answered!
03:49:36Mouser_XWould it have multiplayer and network support?
03:49:42Mouser_X:P
03:49:55AK-47Use a usb to usb cable for that!
03:49:58|NSA|oh, and while we are at it, lets add photoshop and a web server
03:50:08AK-47Yay! Really?
03:50:39AK-47Use apache in it.
03:51:06psycho_maniacwhy not also make it a universal remote control
03:51:13AK-47Or a usb mic!
03:51:45Mouser_XProblem with USB stuff, is that you need a device that can do USB hosting.
03:51:54|NSA|i wish it did have usb support so i dont have to keep rebotting it to browse files
03:52:02Mouser_XMost of the Rockbox targets are not capable of this, if I'm not mistaken.
03:52:11AK-47Mine does :0
03:52:20AK-47My rockbox dualboots with the OF
03:52:29AK-47with sansapatcher
03:52:43|NSA|yeah, but you have to reboot it to the OF, i mean usb support directly from RB
03:52:53AK-47I see....
03:52:59Mouser_XUSB support != USB host
03:53:17AK-47You should put linux on rockbox to make apache work!
03:53:18Mouser_X(If you were talking to me.)
03:54:12AK-47YOU FORGOT THE ; !!!" USB_support != USB_host";
03:55:06AK-47Have they integrated the demos as screensavers yet?
03:55:15psycho_maniacno
03:57:51|NSA|whats the bug number for the usb thing o you dont have to reboot into the OF?
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04:11:15coreyi'm having trouble compiling rockbox using ubuntu. it says : ../tools/configure: 1635: arm-elf-gcc: not found../tools/configure: 1639: arm-elf-ld: not foundWARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path!WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do theWARNING: checks we want now.
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04:12:28coreycan anyone help?
04:12:32B|utEngeli have a 30gb ipod and when running rockbox I would like to know how to turn the ipod off and boot into the apple OS ?
04:13:07B|utEngelrockbox bootloader is installed
04:14:17bobrulespress left while powering on?
04:14:43bobruleshold left* f it's the same for every player
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04:18:30coreyhow do i get rockbox to find arm-elf-* ?
04:19:44B|utEngelnow my ipod will not power on :()
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04:20:09B|utEngelholds play button to no end
04:20:23psycho_maniactry menu+select
04:20:29psycho_maniachold it for a couple seconds
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04:21:11B|utEngelworked
04:21:15B|utEngel;;p
04:21:17B|utEngelty
04:23:45B|utEngelis ther a rockbox media player driver for windows ? cuzz windows wants a driver
04:25:33psycho_maniacjust ignore that forever
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04:28:18sqgl_SydneyAnyone here can vouch for audio quality on thomson mp3 players? (am thinking to buy one)
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04:28:34sqgl_Sydneyi know thomson developed mp3 standard with Frauhoffer, and they make decoder chips for the industry
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04:29:14psycho_maniacthis does not seem like a rockbox related question. non rockbox related questions can be asked at #rockbox-community
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04:31:26coreycan anyone help compile?
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04:32:53psycho_maniacwhat is wrong corey?
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04:33:59coreywhen i run configure it says it cant find arm-elf
04:34:04sqgl_Sydneyok psycho_maniac thanks. i'll got to community,
04:34:43coreyi did install it
04:35:11psycho_maniacthe only way i got around that problem was i had to redownload the source :S
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04:37:02coreyi have to redownload the rockbox source? or install everything again?
04:37:56psycho_maniacjust the source. do you have vmware?
04:38:00Lloreancorey: Did you also add it to your path?
04:38:18LloreanSpecifically if you type "arm-elf-gcc −−version" do you get a version or do you get a command not found type message?
04:39:09coreyi get a command not found message
04:39:18coreyhow do I add it to my path?
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04:41:09LloreanThat depends entirely on what linux distro you're using, etc. Something you should be able to google up instructions for fairly easily
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04:54:36Lloreancorey: I just googled "add to path ubuntu" and got results that are relevant...
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05:04:05psycho_maniachow does a theme get into the current rockbox builds?
05:07:36LloreanThere used to be a submission process
05:07:56psycho_maniacman if there is some documents on how they get put in the current builds. imagine if a lot of people did this. we would really have to have a "lite" version of rockbox then
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05:08:51LloreanI'd imagine themes would be available as a separate, daily built package much like voices.
05:10:09psycho_maniacthat is a feature request on the wiki. been there for a long time.
05:11:17LloreanThe lite version of Rockbox? I thought that'd be rejected long ago
05:12:17psycho_maniachmmm. maybe just the wiki is old?
05:12:37psycho_maniachttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo#Other_goals_for_release
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05:13:30Lloreanpsycho_maniac: Anyone can edit the wiki. I wouldn't be surprised if the person who added that is not someone who actually gets to determine release goals
05:14:04psycho_maniacdo you know why the lite versions or rockbox was rejected?
05:15:24LloreanBecause it's silly?
05:15:51LloreanWe already strip out the fonts, and only include a few bare WPSes which could also readily be stripped out if we start providing a lot
05:15:57LloreanEverything else needs to be "up to date" to work
05:16:28LloreanWhat exactly would a "lite" version be theN?
05:16:58psycho_maniacim not sure. im actually trying to see how much smaller my rockbox build would be without the thems in it
05:18:07psycho_maniacalthough the thing i do is i have zip preview and i tell it not to download the themes and wps folders. how cool
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05:55:37Mouser_XI didn't look excessively thoroughly, but I couldn't find this in the manual. When I plug a USB cable into my Gigabeat, how to I stop it from going into USB mode? I want to charge it, while still using Rockbox.
05:55:47*Mouser_X shouldn't be asking this...
05:56:03Mouser_X(I've just never had the need to use the feature before.)
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05:59:11LloreanHold Menu, iirc
05:59:21Mouser_XThanks.
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06:00:10psycho_maniaci should of known that. i remember recently reading a patch that switched this function
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06:04:16Mouser_XYay. Works. Thanks. I was reading a book (as a TXT) on my Gigabeat when it shut down...
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06:07:45antixoghdoes any one know any thing about the sansa e2x0 v2 series? aside from not being supported by rockbox.
06:08:12LloreanI know things about it.
06:08:23LloreanBut obviously until you start asking questions, we can't tell you if we know the answers to any of them
06:08:30LloreanOr should I spurt out random facts and hope they're the right ones?
06:08:57antixoghI would like to mount the "hidden" partiton
06:09:37LloreanDoes the hidden partition show up anywhere, first? For example, on the e200R it can't be accessed from the PC side
06:10:13psycho_maniacis there any work around to having a larger battery in the gigabeat?
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06:10:43Lloreanpsycho_maniac: Just the usual "put a bigger one in"...
06:11:27psycho_maniacno no sorry i wasnt a specific. i ment inside rockbox. the time remaining is probably off.
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06:11:44antixoghI don't really know much of anything about the e2x0 v2, other than I have a v1 and sansa rma'ed me a e260 v2
06:12:00Mouser_XI've never payed attention to the "time remaining," ever...
06:12:10Lloreanpsycho_maniac: Well I mean, you're not looking for a workaround then. You need to calibrate it, and add a setting for your higher capacity battery.
06:13:09psycho_maniacso i couldnt just increase the "battery capacity" ?
06:13:38LloreanYou can always just set it to some arbitrary number that makes it estimate a time remaining that is near what you get.
06:14:16psycho_maniacwhat did you mean when you said i need to colibrate it?
06:15:53LloreanI don't know how it's done properly. It require a full battery bench log to create some sort of voltage curve.
06:16:38psycho_maniacthat is what im doing now :) battery bench
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07:50:01raulhis trhere any other games u can add to rockbox?
07:50:04raulhlike diffrent roms
07:51:04LloreanIt plays any Gameboy and Gameboy color ROMs. Homebrew ones are all over the place.
07:52:39raulhi also noticed it like EATS the battery on a nano is this only to me or over all?
07:52:55LloreanYes, battery life is bad on all Portalplayer targets.
07:53:01LloreanAnd of course if you're playing games, it's much, much worse
07:53:02Soapthe nano should get 70-75% of Apple runtime when running Rockbox
07:53:27Soapthus 10 or 10.5 hours on a brand new battery.
07:53:45raulhwow.. so it destroys the battery 0_O???
07:53:52LloreanNo, it doesn't destroy the battery.
07:54:01Soap(and ditto the games (backlight) issue, which isn't Rockbox, but your useage pattern)
07:54:06LloreanIt just uses more power right now, there's nothing inherently damaging in that fact.
07:56:28raulhk thnx have good night :)
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09:20:53pixelmais this a new record in the build table? At least a nice score... ;)
09:22:42scorchenot bad...i wish i remembered kkurbjun's high scorche
09:24:34scorcheerrr....high scorche
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09:24:41scorchescore!
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09:47:20markunpreglow: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.ffmpeg.soc/1321
09:58:28Lloreanmarkun: Do you know, can we set the volume on the left and right channels independently on the Gigabeat?
09:58:58markunyes, we can
09:59:18LloreanI think there may be a bug with the volume adjustment then
09:59:32LloreanMinor, but noticeable, installing a current build to test, since it's in 12/01 at least
09:59:41markunthat's what the balance option does
09:59:55LloreanI didn't know if that was digital or analog
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10:00:19markunwhat kind of bug?
10:00:36LloreanAlright ,still there
10:00:48LloreanIf you hold down vol up or down, sometimes only one channel changes while the other stays the same.
10:01:12LloreanThen, after a second or two, the other channel will pop to the same level as the one that was actually changing, sometimes with a slight click
10:01:29markunthat's strange
10:01:36LloreanVery
10:02:31LloreanThe left and right channel never stay at separate levels, as far as I can tell, but they'll be there temporarily while the volume is changing. And it's a significant amount different, as much as 10-15db can go by before they pop back into sync
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10:27:46pixelmaany objections to closing this task http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6849 ?
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10:29:54preglowthat's not the right way to fix it
10:29:57preglowso i'd say just close
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10:36:03amiconnLooks like several plugins are in need of proper speed regulation / frame drop on targets with variable cpu clock
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10:37:11amiconnShould probably be done for all targets, as music playback also influences available cpu power and hence drawing speed
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10:39:07preglowindeed
10:39:16preglowi'm surprised so few games do it correctly
10:39:57preglowespecially considering how easy it is
10:40:19amiconnWell, for old ones it's understandable
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10:40:36amiconnOn archos, cpu clock is fixed and load doesn't vary much either
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10:41:11amiconnThe cpu hasn't got that much to do
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10:53:32preglowsure, but most of the games are "meant" for newer targets
10:53:50preglowso should have had this dealt with from the start
10:54:45preglowyou can't develop games that handle like this on any ordinary computer and have them be playable, so i don't see why people do so for rockbox
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11:46:55leftrightwith regards to the usb implementation; The Archos Recorder series requires a USB softwarer driver, wouldn't it help to take a peek at how they do it ?
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12:18:53hanseatichello people
12:21:51hanseatici v read about the patch(es) for dict and would like to try them out, however i don't know what to do with the dict.patch file
12:24:34mud-rbpatch files are a list of changes to the source. you need to set it up so you can build rockbox from source, then apply the patch file you desire
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12:25:17mud-rbthere're instructions in the wiki for how to set that all up, but it tends to take some work (especially if this is all new to you)
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12:27:53hanseaticthnx, i see
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12:29:10hanseaticso this is no simple plugin ready to be replaced (e.g. like a *.deb for debians)
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12:31:28mud-rbno, there's really not much you can do except set it up to build. someone else can do it for you, but it'd be rather difficult to find someone willing
12:31:46hanseatici guess
12:32:23hanseaticbut rb-plugins generally can be prepuilb binaries?
12:32:59mud-rbsorry?
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12:37:44bertrikhanseatic: you can install a 'custom' build. Several people make a binary available of their own build with their own selection of patches. If you have a problem with such a build you can't ask questions about it here though.
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12:43:23hanseatici see
12:43:27hanseaticthnx
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12:45:31hanseaticcomments about the alternativ dict plugin in terms of usability are appreciated, if someone has experiences in that
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14:14:32J-23Hello!
14:14:37Crash91hi
14:14:47J-23Why m200 Sansas are unsupported?
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14:19:06DarkStylistbeats me maybe no hackers care
14:19:20DarkStylistor sansa refuses to give hardware info
14:19:27DarkStylistor nobody likes em
14:22:36hanseatichi i just extracted a rockbox.zip to my e280 's directory root, however without making/updating new folders. now i have tons of files in the root. is there any file that may not be deleted?
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14:23:02hanseaticor belongs there
14:23:04hanseatic?
14:24:24stripwaxhanseatic - when you extract rockbox.zip there should be no files in the root. delete them all and start over
14:24:34hanseatick
14:24:36hanseaticthnx
14:25:31stripwaxwhen you extract, your extracting program should use the right folders (or you need to tell it to make them). When it's extracted, if it worked correctly, you should just end up with a .rockbox folder in the root, and then everything in folders inside of that
14:26:17stripwaxJ-23 - maybe, none of the rockbox developers actually have a sansa m series? it's more or less impossible to support rockbox for a player that the developers don't actually have
14:26:39J-23hmm...
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14:27:51hanseatici understand, was just a misunderstanding using the gnome unzipper
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15:31:56Crash91=S how far has rockbox support progressed for nano 2nd gen?
15:32:18Soapnobody is working on it
15:32:25Soapso therefore progress has not progressed
15:32:30Soap:(
15:32:58Crash91:(
15:33:21Crash91my friend jsut asked me and i was about to tell him to ipodpatch when i noticed the "1st gen"
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15:42:44hanseatichello
15:42:47Crash91hi
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15:45:23hanseatici messed something up while updating my .rockbox directory. now when i plug the sansa e280 in, nothing happens, it does not automount on the computer and does not appear to reboot into original FW. when i boot into org.FW the sansa mounts, but the .rockbox folder appears to be a write protected file system
15:45:29hanseaticwhat cfould i do?
15:49:00Crash91ok
15:49:08Crash91goto settings>usb mode
15:49:14Crash91and make sure its MSC, not MTP
15:50:04Crash91and as for the rockbox not rebooting, well thats known
15:52:05hanseaticit did not do this before i tried to unzip some "unofficial" build which is not supported here, i know
15:52:18hanseaticmsc mode is active
15:52:37*Soap will now start heading to the german rockbox bar night.. :-)
15:52:39Crash91which build would that be?
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15:53:28Crash91bertrik: any idea? i dont use linux muc with my sansa
15:53:48hanseaticdrwx−−−−−− 15 myself root 4096 2007-12-08 14:30 .rockbox
15:54:10Crash91damn ohw the hell did than happen
15:54:23Crash91copyuing files shouldnt do anything to permissions
15:54:45Crash91have you tried chmod as su? (not sure itll help but no harm in trying)
15:54:54bertrikI don't have much linux experience with the sansa either
15:55:16bertrikhow big is the partition you're seeing? and is it mounted read-write?
15:55:49hanseatickugel.'s build
15:55:51bertrikdoes the rockbox bootloader work correctly?
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15:56:32hanseatichttp://www.rockbox-lounge.com/viewtopic.php?t=1436&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
15:56:45hanseaticthe fat32 is mounted rw
15:57:11hanseatic/dev/sdb1 on /media/Sansa e280 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree)
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15:59:26hanseatichow would i know about the bootloader?
15:59:31bertrikthen i have no idea how it could end up as read-only
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16:00:10hanseaticcan i savely remove the .rockbox dir by rm -rf .rockbox ?
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16:00:46bertrikyes, even if you completely remove .rockbox you should still be able to boot into the original firmware
16:00:51hanseatica chmod +w .rockbox has let the write protect icon disappear
16:00:56hanseatick
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16:02:06hanseatici do not understand why my OS sees the rockbox folder as a filesystem
16:02:43hanseatica rm -rf .rockbox errored with could not remove * Read only FS
16:04:04hanseatici also tried to uninstall rockbox with the rbutil as root and as normal user
16:04:34hanseaticis there a way to set the device to factory default?
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16:04:58Crash91yes
16:05:04Crash91recovery mode
16:05:17Crash91tswitch on with hold switch and hold record
16:05:39bertrikhanseatic: the read-only part baffles me, could it actually be a zip file that your OS exposes in the UI as a read-only FS?
16:06:03hanseatichmm... would be odd
16:06:38bertrikis your partition about 20 MB or is it several GB?
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16:07:22hanseatici reswitched it on now, and it boots right away into the org.FW
16:07:52hanseatici pressed record, but it also does this without pressing rec now
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16:09:06hanseaticok, now i was able to delete .rockbox
16:09:07Crash91hold switch.
16:09:18hanseatici for some reason
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16:10:16hanseaticno, it did not, sry
16:10:45hanseaticjust saw the error after i tried to unmount
16:11:03hanseaticwould it help to hook it up on some windows mashine
16:11:19hanseatic?
16:12:14Crash91porb
16:14:11hanseaticwell the bootloader seems to be gone now
16:14:34hanseaticat least rockbox boots into org.FW right away
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16:16:12hanseaticonly thin is, i do have a folder called .Trash-myself
16:16:12Casainhohello :-)
16:16:38hanseaticand .rockbox is gone
16:17:05hanseaticso i could give it another try with rbutil
16:17:16CasainhoI would like to talk with "scharkalvin"(nick from the forum) - anyone knows is contact? - thank you.
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16:17:29hanseaticis it possible that i am still in recovery mode?
16:17:59bertrikrecovery mode only shows some text on the screen (saying "recovery mode" IIRC)
16:18:07hanseaticthnx
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16:35:18hanseatici just reinstalled rockbox
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16:36:40hanseaticwith current build
16:37:07hanseatichowever, when i plug it in, it does not reboot into orgFW
16:37:15hanseaticwhat do i do wrong?
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16:38:18hanseaticand i need to hard-reset the e200 by holding down menu for 20 sec
16:39:16Tuplanollahanseatic: hold the left button when plugging it in
16:39:22Tuplanolladunno if it will help
16:39:45Tuplanollaotherwise hold left button when starting it up, then it'll start OF
16:39:49Tuplanollathen plug it in
16:40:42hanseaticthats how i boot into orgFW, but rb/e200 used to reboot into orgFG automatically when pluged in, and showed some usb plug on the screen for a moment
16:41:04Tuplanollayeah, that's what my e280 does.
16:41:15hanseatice280 here too
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17:01:53hanseatici' ll boot windows
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17:46:40hanseaticbooted into windows
17:48:22hanseaticunder linux i tried to delete the .rockbox folder, but it created only a .Trash-username folder
17:48:50hanseaticnow i cannot remove the .Trash-username folder
17:49:13hanseaticunder linux it tells me it cant because of a readonly filesystem
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17:49:27hanseaticthe however the vfat is mounted rw
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17:49:51hanseaticunder windows i cannot delete anything within .Trash-username
17:50:33hanseaticeither it tells me the folder is not empty, or if i delete a file it does not disappear without any error
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17:51:06hanseaticthe files and folders have the write-protect flag set, and it cannot be removed
17:51:19percentAny ideas when the Sansa e280v2 might be supported? If I wanted to, how could I shut my big mouth and help with development?
17:53:00hanseaticiirc there is some hardware issue that makes it impossible
17:53:25percentI know it's a completely new hardware. Oh, and by the way, I have access to an oscilloscope, which might help if the firmware is encrypted.
17:53:35percentWhat's the issue?
17:54:29bertriknot impossible, just a lot of work i think
17:54:31hanseaticdon't remember, only stuff i think i saw googeling for e280
17:54:31Mouser_XThe issue is that it's all new hardware. For a port to be made, they need to know what the hardware is, and how to handle it.
17:54:48bertriki read that some rockbox members already have a datasheet of the main controller
17:54:49Mouser_XThe "how to handle it" is the hard part.
17:55:15percentExplain.
17:55:43hanseaticwikipedia reverse engeneering
17:55:55hanseaticengineering
17:55:58hanseaticor so
17:56:06percentI've done it before.
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17:56:17Mouser_XIf it's entirely new hardware, they don't know how to handle it, how to run programs on it, how to use it, what it does, and why some things work, and others don't.
17:56:46percentI only know x86 asm, and I think I'm correct in assuming that the e280 has an ARM processor?
17:57:25Mouser_XI have no idea.
17:57:30percentsomeone write a C compiler for the sansa, i'm far too lazy
17:57:34percentand incapable.
17:57:42krazykitpercent, gcc
17:57:49bertrikthere already is a C compiler
17:57:57krazykitthe sansas are ARM, both the v1 and the v2
17:58:08Mouser_XYou can look on the Rockbox wiki. There's a page for the e200v2.
17:58:22Mouser_XI think it says some info on the hardware.
17:58:25hanseatici am totally stuck here
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17:59:09hanseaticone issue is, that i can't delete my trashbox, which should not be this complicated
17:59:42krazykithanseatic, that sounds more like an OS issue, to be honest. try running fsck.
17:59:51hanseatick
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18:00:30Mouser_Xhanseatic: While not necessarily the desired method, is reformatting your player an option? Or is there data on there that you don't have somewhere else?
18:01:19hanseaticfsck.vfat /etc/sda1 ...
18:01:34percentwow, this stuff is really useful
18:01:38krazykithanseatic, you may need to do that with root permissions
18:01:39percentthanks, Mouser_X
18:01:49hanseaticthere are differences between boot sector and its backup
18:02:18krazykithanseatic, what device are you using?
18:02:25hanseatici chose to take no action
18:02:39hanseatice280 (v1)
18:02:52krazykitif there are filesystem errors, let fsck fix them. you can't do anything that will permanently disable your device.
18:03:02hanseaticFAT differs but appears to be intact
18:03:15hanseaticuse first fat or second?
18:03:32krazykitflip a coin.
18:04:24krazykithanseatic, really, if there are FAT errors, i recommend going into recovery mode and making an empty file called "sansa.fmt". this will remake the partitions and you can then reload music to your player.
18:04:29*bertrik takes heads
18:04:39hanseatici thought of using the recovery mode, but the sandisk recovery tool for windows said that would kill free subscription to some music download site, and the samples that where shipped with the device.... and i suppose also the warranty
18:05:27krazykithanseatic, it shouldn't affect the warranty, and do you really want a subscription to some music site if you're planning on using rockbox?
18:05:51hanseatici have no fat error experience
18:07:49hanseaticthing is, it's my girlfriends, and i have a couple of weeks until she needs the device for a long jouney, so i check out if rockbox is somehow useful for her (im getting a little of topic here, sorry ;o))
18:08:40hanseatichowever i still want to be able to get the thing into shipping conditions
18:09:26krazykitoh, certainly. it's actually very easy to get it back into factory condition.
18:10:16hanseatichow?
18:10:42hanseaticshipping as it was cond ;o)
18:11:18krazykityou go to recovery mode and drop in an mi4
18:11:45hanseaticyeah, i came across mi4
18:11:52krazykitwell, factory condition minus the crummy music that's preloaded.
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18:12:57hanseaticwell preloaded music could still be backuped and recopied
18:14:19hanseaticif this subscription to whatever data-collecting-commercial-download-site is gone it also looses reselling worth
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18:15:16krazykithanseatic, the only subscription you lose is a trial. you can still buy a new one and it will work
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18:19:13hanseaticnever mind this subscription, for recovery mode will i need the sansa connect device recovery?
18:19:53krazykitnope. you can put it into recovery mode as per the rockbox wiki's instructions
18:20:11hanseatick...
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18:22:39hanseatici may be dump, but i cant find the recovery page
18:23:17krazykithttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
18:23:25hanseaticthnx
18:24:01krazykityou want an mi4 for your device from here: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
18:24:32hanseaticthnx again
18:25:01hanseatici came across daniel haxx too
18:26:02hanseaticthis approach seems dangerous, well
18:26:27krazykitlike i said, nothing that cannot be fixed.
18:27:47hanseaticdifferent issue does the american FW support I18N?
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18:29:49hanseaticand another one: after i installed RB the first time, auto-reboot into orgFW after plugging USB-connection in worked... i read about the issue, and that does not. is there any way/reason making it work?
18:30:40krazykitusb is a work in progress for Sansas and iPods right now
18:30:41Mouser_Xhanseatic: When the Sansa is off, and I plugin the USB cable, it boots into the OF for me.
18:31:45hanseatici used this workaround too... however auto-reboot DID work, and i wonder why
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18:46:14hanseaticthe e280 swallowed the mi4
18:46:24Mouser_XYum!
18:47:09hanseaticso, i'll need to reboot to linux now for the rbutil
18:47:14hanseaticcu soon
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18:57:50zlpI mean, vbr, fps, muxer...
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18:59:56hanseatici used the SanDisk Sansa e200 (American) OK matzeregular BL1.02.15a"
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19:00:09hanseaticfrom http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
19:00:34hanseatichowever my e280 does not automount any mor
19:00:43hanseatice
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19:07:46hanseatici Still have a .Trash-username directory on my e280
19:08:21hanseaticis there no way to really empty/format the e280?
19:09:06Doomed_just got another e200, a 4gb this time =)
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19:10:06Mouser_Xzlp: Check the PluginMpegplayer page.
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19:11:12hanseaticshould i format the e280's main partition, and then "unbrick" it?
19:11:31Mouser_Xhanseatic: It's what I'd do.
19:11:39hanseatick...
19:12:28hanseaticare there any special options to the fat? e.g. windows format, or mkfs.vfat?
19:12:41Mouser_XNo idea.
19:12:59hanseaticgreat... anyway, many thanx
19:14:31hanseaticrebooting windows, c ya
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19:19:51hanseaticre
19:24:01hanseaticbtw the does sansa firmware update utility generate all the necessary folders and files on the main partition?
19:24:42hanseatic... if they are not there
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19:24:44hanseatic?
19:25:35Mouser_XI would assume so, but I have no idea.
19:25:43hanseatick...
19:26:10hanseaticim backupping anyway
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19:26:45advcomp2019hanseatic, the sansa firmware will build what it needs
19:27:17Crash91hanseatic: nonono, dont remove the tw files..that tell you not to remove them
19:27:30Crash91version.txt and version.sdl i think
19:27:33hanseaticif it is not already there
19:27:47Crash91version.sdk
19:28:01Crash91dont remove that
19:28:04hanseaticwhere would these files be?
19:28:17Crash91root
19:29:08hanseatic no, these files are not there
19:29:17Crash91thats weird
19:29:28Crash91try hshowing hidden files
19:29:44hanseaticsorry, there is a version.sdk and a version.txt
19:30:04Crash91yeah
19:30:11Crash91delete the text if you really want
19:30:15Crash91but not the SDK
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19:30:31Crash91if you see it with gedit or something it tells you not to remove
19:30:47hanseatichowever thing is, i do not know how to delete some folder without formatting the partition
19:30:54Crash91and it can be easily reproduced as its padded with blanks to make it exactly 512 bytes
19:30:58Crash91cannot*
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19:31:25advcomp2019hanseatic, you could use the sansa.fmt file
19:31:44Crash91advcomp2019: good idea
19:32:21advcomp2019hanseatic, it is lot safer
19:32:45hanseaticwhat would that be? >googleing<
19:33:46Crash91IIRC, a blank text file renamed as sansa.fmt
19:34:01advcomp2019hanseatic, here is a little info.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick#Sansa_Reformat
19:34:28hanseaticthnx
19:34:47hanseaticknow that page...
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19:37:46hanseatick... so it's just booting into recovery, copying *mi4, sansa.mft and what bin`?
19:37:52hanseatic*.bin?
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19:38:46hanseaticpr÷sterchen
19:39:00Crash91was?
19:39:08hanseaticcheers
19:39:18Crash91oh :),
19:39:22Crash91im learning atm
19:39:57hanseatic"prost" in the form called "verniedlichung"
19:40:06hanseatica small cheers
19:41:26Crash91ich verstehe nicht, es ist sehr komplitziert fur mich (excuse the bad spelling)
19:41:55hanseaticno prob...
19:42:23*joshin thinks that reads: "I am a jelly donut."
19:43:06*Crash91 wonders how joshin knew that
19:43:58Crash91actually that would be ich bin ein jelly Berliner (from kennedy's speech)
19:44:30Crash91hanseatic: wie kann mann "jelly"in deutsch sag?
19:45:20hanseaticjelly afaik means something between liquid and solid, right?
19:45:28Crash91yes
19:45:31hanseaticlike toothpaste?
19:45:43Crash91well..like jelly...lol
19:45:43joshinOr my P4.
19:45:51Crash91uhm..like yoghurt
19:45:53hanseaticwe say gel
19:45:59hanseaticsame word origin
19:46:10Crash91joshin: get with the new and get a C2D :)
19:46:46hanseatici ve just read through the unbrick page again, what *.bin file are they talking about?
19:46:52joshinCrash91: Its not my only computer. Actually, it is my 3.5 year old daughter's computer. I have a couple A64x2 desktops and a C2D laptop.
19:46:55Crash91OF.bin?
19:47:10Crash91hehe im on a C2D lappy right now
19:47:17joshinAnyhow, way off topic. /me returns to lurking
19:47:31hanseatick...
19:47:54*Crash91 wonders why there are so many lurkers, therefore making it very few talkers
19:47:56hanseaticthought the original FW is the MI4
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19:48:08advcomp2019hanseatic, i think you do not need the bin file
19:48:25axionixlike /last
19:49:28hanseaticwhere would i get it from? sandisk.com?
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19:50:32advcomp2019hanseatic, what do you need.. the mi4 file?
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19:50:47hanseaticno, as you said the bin
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19:51:45advcomp2019hanseatic, you must have misread it.. i said "i think you do not need the bin file"
19:52:31hanseaticmy prob is, i have a .trash-username folder i cannot delete, just like the rockbox folder. it was generated by by linux dist when i tried to delete .rockbox
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19:57:16advcomp2019hanseatic, i would try transferring the mi4 firmware and the sansa.fmt file and then unplug the cable
19:58:04advcomp2019hanseatic, i have to leave to someone else might help you or you can wait for me to get back
19:58:19hanseaticthnx a lot anyway
19:58:26hanseaticl'll try so
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20:07:02webguest84Hello all
20:07:05webguest84question
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20:07:19Crash91fire
20:07:20webguest84IS there a way to make ROCKBOX the DEFAULT firmware?
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20:07:31webguest84Rather than have the ipod one as it?
20:07:36Crash91nope
20:07:49webguest84No way at all?
20:07:56Mouser_XDoesn't it boot into Rockbox by default already?
20:07:56Crash91nope
20:07:58webguest84It can't be impossible
20:08:03hanseaticformatting with sansa.mft and without the OF.bin worked
20:08:07PaulJamIsn't it already the default on the suppoted devices?
20:08:08webguest84Exactly I want it to boot into the apple one
20:08:12Crash91he means to obliterate apple completely i think
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20:08:24Crash91wait a sec
20:08:32PaulJami think this is possible too
20:08:35Crash91you just said that you want to make it the default
20:08:36Crash91and it is
20:08:45Mouser_XOh, then no. It boots into Rockbox by default. If you want to boot to Apple OS, you need to use the button combo.
20:08:47webguest84Oops
20:08:59webguest84Yes I want it to boot intall apple normally
20:09:05webguest84then when i press button combo into rockbox
20:09:22webguest84no impossible?
20:09:30Crash91restart (select+menu) and then flick the hold switch while booting
20:09:33Crash91not impossible
20:09:45Crash91you will need to compile your own bootloader
20:09:51webguest84:|
20:09:56webguest84I see
20:10:31Crash91unless you find on thats been precompiled and you can donwload the binary and run it
20:10:46webguest84I see
20:10:51thoutersas there are no formal releases, is there someplace I (the user) can get a good idea of what current developments are, 'Changelog' style?
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20:11:49spastic_teapotI've got a Sandisk C240 mp3 player, of the C200 series, which seems to be pretty similar to the E200 series.
20:11:53webguest84Mabye I could ask on the forums for some help
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20:12:03spastic_teapotDo I need to use Rockbox on it if I want to be able to, say, import playlists?
20:12:10spastic_teapotAnd how well does Roxbox play with Exaile?
20:12:23PaulJamthouters: see the MajorChanges wiki page.
20:12:24webguest84..?
20:12:38thoutersPaulJam: thank you
20:12:43Crash91webguest84: try
20:12:53bertrikthouters: there's a MajorChanges entry on the wiki, and a log of the last 10 changes (or so)in subversion and that's it I think
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20:19:32Crash91bye everyone
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20:21:19spastic_teapotAnyone here?
20:23:05Mouser_Xspastic_teapot: There's *always* someone here.
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20:23:32spastic_teapotAnyone here willing to help me? :)
20:23:38spastic_teapotThat's likely a more useful question.
20:24:51Mouser_XNo, a more useful question would be one that actually tells us what the problem/question is.
20:26:28spastic_teapotHeh.
20:26:36spastic_teapotI've got a Sandisk C240 mp3 player, of the C200 series, which seems to be pretty similar to the E200 series.
20:26:40spastic_teapotDo I need to use Rockbox on it if I want to be able to, say, import playlists?
20:26:50spastic_teapotPlease do not tell me "Organize them by genre".
20:26:58spastic_teapotThat's like asking for sushi, and getting Lutafisk.
20:28:26spastic_teapotAlso, how do I tell if I've got the V1 or V2 of the C200 series?
20:28:43spastic_teapotI'm thinking I may need to just load up Rockbox.
20:28:58PaulJamI don't understand the question, what do you mean by "import playlists"?
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20:30:06spastic_teapotWell, I have the playlist "Bad pop songs of the late 90's" in Exaile.
20:31:01spastic_teapotI'd like to be able to download the playlist, and the songs it references, to my C240 so that I might later select said playlist and hear the songs, rather than selecting them one by one.
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20:33:07PaulJamrockbox supports m3u and m3u8 playlists and as long as the paths in the playlist point to the files on the player i don't see a problem. maybe tha chapter in the manual about "working with playlists" has some anwers for you.
20:33:20vmxhi
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20:34:57spastic_teapotI presume I'm shafted if I want to keep the stock firmware.
20:35:13vmxi just bought a sansa e250. i'd like to know if it's a v1 or v2. the wiki page says there will be a "v2" if it is one. where exactly? would it say "model: e250v2" instead of "model: e250"?
20:36:42PaulJamvmx: on the back of the device
20:37:29PaulJamvmx: does the package mention audible support?
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20:38:56vmxno it doesn't mention audible. but i'm anxious that i oversight it
20:39:19vmxon the bacl there's only a "model: e250" without v2. so it is probably a v1
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20:40:41spastic_teapotI have a simlar question, except for my C-series player.
20:40:43spastic_teapotAlso, what happens if you DO install it on a V2? Instant brickage?
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20:42:12PaulJami think the sansapatcher or rbutil will refuse to install rockbox on a v2
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20:42:32PaulJamat least the bootloader
20:43:14rayjrbutil will say bootloader is already installed
20:43:33rayji had a v2 i sold it
20:43:34vmxit's a v1 (firmware 01.02.18f) :)
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20:43:59rayjyou should work just fine then
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20:44:26rayjjust be sure to follow manual
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20:46:10rayjwhat id like to know is the proper way to convert a video to play properly on an e280
20:46:52rayjwhat i get is audio out of sync & jumpy video
20:48:21PaulJamrayj: have you changed any of the video options? (skip frames and limit framerate should be enabled)
20:48:43rayji messed with that a bit
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20:49:00rayjit seemed to make it worse
20:49:23rayjim using mencoder in linux
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20:50:16spastic_teapotSo...I'm installing Rockbox, I guess.
20:50:28rayjmencoder VIDEO.avi -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=192 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=29 -vf scale,harddup -ofps 15 -zoom -xy 128 -o VIDEO.mpg
20:50:52thoutersi see there coverart is now in the nightly build, is there a wps theme for ipod video that plays nice with it?, none of the wps'es i find work (they don't load - because they expect scrolling margins patch i think). I put cover.bmp's in all my folders though
20:52:16PaulJamrayj: you could try if it works better when you add vmax_b_frames=4 to the vcodec part.
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20:52:22rayjspastic_teapot sansa v2 will not accept rockbox
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20:54:38rayjPaulJam just tried it >>>Option vf: vmax_b_frames doesn't exist.Exiting... (error parsing command line)
20:56:28PaulJamchange the vcodec part, so it looks like vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=29:vmax_b_frames=4 . btw, isnt a bitrate of 29 a little bit low?
20:58:40PaulJamrayj: does the elepantsdream example video work ok on your player?
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20:59:05spasticteapotI get an "unsupported install method" error when trying to install the bootloader on my C240.
20:59:09spasticteapotCan I assume it's a V2?
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20:59:58bluebrotherwe have a picture: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TowerOfRockbox
20:59:59bluebrother:)
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21:00:22rayjPaulJam where might i find elepantsdream
21:00:36bluebrotherrayj: on the download server :)
21:00:43bluebrotheryou might also try the wiki
21:00:49PaulJamhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#MPEG_movies
21:01:27pixelmayay, nice. I like the beer tower part too. :)
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21:01:37spasticteapotI get an "unsupported install method" error when trying to install the bootloader on my C240.
21:01:37spasticteapotCan I assume it's a V2?
21:01:53pixelmabluebrother: and "Prost" to all as well :)
21:02:02bluebrotherpixelma: greets back :)
21:02:29pixelmaspasticteapot: what's your original firmware's version number?
21:02:39spasticteapotHmm.
21:03:47spasticteapotVersion Info: Product Rev.: PP5022BF-06.10-S301-06.10-S301.01.05PRT
21:05:42pixelmaok, looks like you have a v1 model with fw version 1.01.05P. That means you need to either find a linux computer or downgrade your firmware because 1.01.05 has the MSC setting removed
21:06:24spasticteapotI have a Linux box.
21:06:28spasticteapotUbuntu Feisty.
21:06:28pixelmaspasticteapot: see here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#No_MSC_Mode_Firmware_Downgrade
21:07:47spasticteapotHuh.
21:07:54pixelmais that the box you tried on?
21:07:58spasticteapotYah.
21:08:39pixelmayou running sansapatcher with administrative rights? (Don't know how this is called in linux exactly)
21:08:41*bluebrother goes to battery saving mode and turns of the "evil" os :)
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21:08:55spasticteapotSansapatcher?
21:09:05pixelmaor rbuti÷
21:09:08spasticteapot????
21:09:10pixelma*rbutil
21:09:14spasticteapotAh, tried that.
21:09:37krazykitspasticteapot, you may need to run it with root permissions by using sudo
21:09:42spasticteapotOh.
21:09:57pixelmakrazykit: thank you, that's what I meant :)
21:10:41spasticteapotNo good.
21:11:19pixelmadoesn't work?
21:11:19spasticteapotIt says "unsupported install method".
21:11:51spasticteapotHuh.
21:12:02spasticteapotOkay, it says the bootloader is up to date...forget that.
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21:12:08spasticteapotI just pressed "Install Rockbox".
21:12:18spasticteapotAnd now it's downloading, which it did NOT do before.
21:12:23spasticteapotThanks for the tip...
21:12:30spasticteapotApparently, running as root fixed it.
21:12:32spasticteapot(I hope).
21:13:22pixelmayeah you need to do that, hopefully I'll find the time soon to put it in the manual
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21:14:36spasticteapot...You know you're an audio geek when you look at the earbuds in the picture on the "Install Rockbox" wizard and you find that you recognize not only that those are Etymotic ER4s, but they're the old version that are color-coded left-right.
21:14:56spasticteapotYours, perhaps?
21:15:52pixelmanope, I even wouldn't have recognised those... :)
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21:19:37spasticteapotWell, something's wonky.
21:19:47spasticteapotIt said it installed properly, so I disconnected the player and rebooted.
21:19:54spasticteapotLo and Behold....nothing bleeping happened.
21:20:07spasticteapot@#$@$@#$
21:20:25spasticteapotNow, when I try to run Rockbox, it gives me a "Configuration Error".
21:20:34spasticteapotEr, rbutil.
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21:22:41spasticteapotpixelma: Is this a bug? Or did I do something stupid?
21:23:54thoutersare there any ipod wpses that display cover art but don't require bmp resize patches
21:25:12pixelmaspasticteapot: nothing happens as in "still boots the OF?"
21:25:24thoutersi don't have the time to set up a crosscompiler on this ubuntu or reboot into gentoo and fiddle with patches right now
21:26:00pixelmaLlorean: around?
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21:41:44Dan_test
21:41:46spastic_teapotI really hate this X61.
21:41:46Dan_?
21:42:05spastic_teapotI was about to bid on a studio monitor...and then the wifi driver crashes.
21:42:06spastic_teapotAGAIN.
21:42:25krazykitwe see you Dan_
21:43:41Dan_hello, I have a very simple stupid question. I've just installed rockbox on a sansa e260. Everything looks okay, except the next time I plug the mp3 player into the computer (win XP), the add hardware wizard comes up, and cannot add the hardware, so I can't see the drive letter of the mp3 player.
21:43:47Dan_how should I proceed?
21:44:23Dan_by "everything looks okay" I mean rockbox is clearly on the mp3 player now, and seems to function well
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21:45:06krazykitDan_, the front page states that USB functionality on the Sansa is charge-only. turn off the sansa then plug in the USB cable to transfer files
21:45:15pixelmaignore the driver popups from windows, after closing them you should still be able to find your sansa in the explorer
21:45:36pixelma(if the original firmware started
21:46:01spastic_teapotI'm going to go and try and install Rockbox from the Windows machine.
21:46:04spastic_teapotMaybe that will work.
21:46:06pixelmajust do as krazykit says
21:46:12Dan_okay thanks
21:46:31spastic_teapotOh, fnord...that means I need to reset the firmware.
21:46:39spastic_teapot@#$@$@$
21:47:00spastic_teapotIt keeps saying my configuration is invalid.
21:47:22pixelmaspastic_teapot: when, what it?
21:47:52spastic_teapotpixelma: I run rbutilqt, and press "configure", then "autodetect".
21:47:57spastic_teapotIt finds the C240 just fine.
21:48:11spastic_teapotHowever, when I actually try to DO something, it says my configuration is invalid.
21:48:40spastic_teapotIt used to detect it just fine; however, after running the "install rockbox" wizard, nothing happened, and now I'm left where I am now.
21:49:00pixelmahmm, haven't used rbutil much, I admit
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21:52:49thoutersi inserted a %C at the end of the dockpodremix theme, and with the evilg build i get a coverart image, however, NOT with the current build from rockbox.org, is this to be expected?
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21:59:02thoutersto elaborate, the cover image only shows if i switch from another theme to the dockpodremix with %?C<%C|> inserted at the EOF
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22:00:31thoutersseems i forgot to first define picture size
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22:11:22spastic_teapot_oI am back.
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22:12:02spastic_windowsFor the latest revision of the C240, it's necessary to do a firmware rollback, the procedure for which is detailed on part of the Rockbox webpage.
22:12:05spastic_windowsI just can't remember where it is.
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22:14:31spastic_windowsHow do I figure out which version of the Sansa firmware I need to download if I want to downgrade?
22:14:35spastic_windowsAnd where do I get it from?
22:14:40spastic_windows(I have a C240.)
22:14:46pixelmaspastic_teapot: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#No_MSC_Mode_Firmware_Downgrade
22:14:49Zero_ChaosI had a question about Sansa e200 series. Is the v2 support planned for the not to distant future, or is it a massive issue?
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22:15:37spastic_windowsProduct Rev.: PP5022BF-06.10-S301-06.10-S301.01.05PRT - which version of the firmware do I need, again?
22:15:40spastic_windowsHelp is much appreciated.
22:15:43pixelmaZero_Chaos: some people are investigating but no-one can give an estimate how long it'll take
22:16:08pixelmaspastic_windows: it's all in the link I gave you
22:16:08spastic_windowspixelma: Were it not for you, I'd probbably have flung this thing out the window by now. :)
22:16:24Zero_Chaospixelma: I am not looking for an estimate so much as a "we are planning to support it"
22:16:49Zero_Chaospixelma: I hear the e280v1 doesn't support sdhc, and it is also hard to find... hence, if I buy it, it would likely be a v2
22:17:16pixelmaZero_Chaos: maybe the related threads in the new ports forum are an interesting read
22:17:25krazykitZero_Chaos, actually, Rockbox supports microSDHC while the OF doesn't on the v1
22:17:37Zero_Chaospixelma: I'll check it out
22:17:39pixelmaand with Rockbox even...
22:17:48pixelmawhat krazykit said :)
22:17:50Zero_Chaoskrazykit: i noticed that actually, the issue is more getting the v1
22:18:31spastic_windowsHow do I figure out which version of the firmware I have?
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22:19:24pixelmain the original firmware go to settings > system info (or sth. like that)
22:19:34spastic_windowsOh. Duh.
22:19:44Nydomosi need some help... i just installed rockbox on my sansa e260, and it works, but now windows does not recognize it as a drive (find new hardware wizard comes up) I am using Win XP Sp2
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22:20:22safetydanNydomos, reboot in to the original firmware to use it as a drive.
22:20:34Nydomosoh, ok
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22:21:19pixelmaor just turn the player off and then plug USB, the original firmware should start automatically
22:21:45spastic_windowsIt says 01.01.05P. Hence, I should download the SansaC200P1_01_00.7z firmware?
22:23:02pixelmayes, the "P" one
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22:26:41Zero_Chaoscomparing hardware wise, is the sansa e280v1 or v2 superior?
22:26:46Zero_Chaosor about the same?
22:27:26spastic_windowsHow do I unzip the files? They're in .7z format.
22:27:31webguest62spastic_windows: there is ofcourse the manual as well http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
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22:28:09webguest62get the 7zip program its freeware
22:28:35pixelmawebguest62: unfortunately it doesn't mention the problem with some firmwares on c200 and how to deal with it yet...
22:28:52captmorganhey, just got an iriver h10 yesterday and have a question, will rockbox make it UMS over MTP?
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22:29:09lymecaSo I have a 4th gen 20GB monochrome with Rockbox
22:29:16webguest62the manual "bot" needs to be flogged ? :-)
22:29:24lymecaTHe problem it that it completely shuts off when the battery life reaches ~10%
22:29:27lymecaIt's very sad.
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22:29:44lymecaI would love to listen to music until 1%
22:29:46Zero_Chaospixelma: so no idea if v1 or v2's hardware is better in any way? more/less ram, cpu?
22:29:53lymecaIs this a hardware problem or a ROckbox problem?
22:31:03pixelmaZero_Chaos: I only know that there is a different CPU, if that one is better/worse - no idea. Would have to read the threads too...
22:31:22Zero_Chaospixelma: I did ;-) doesn't seem to have gotten too far.
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22:33:44pixelmawell, the v2s are quite new
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22:35:00captmorganA little off topic, anyone know how I can use Ubuntu to update the firmware of my irIVER H10? or a better channel for that?
22:35:22spastic_windowsSansapatcher does not "see" my mp3 player.
22:35:43spastic_windowsI should have it connected in standard mode, not in "upgrade the firmware" mode?
22:35:56Nydomosis in in msc usb mode?
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22:36:08safetydanlymeca, running a li-ion battery like the one in your iPod too low will damage it.
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22:36:20pixelmaspastic_windows: you downgraded the firmware and alsp set the now present "USB" option to MSC in the original firmware?
22:36:26pixelma*also
22:36:37Zero_ChaosBagder: ping [when you have a moment]
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22:37:16spastic_windowsD'oh!
22:37:21spastic_windowsForgot that got changed back.
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22:43:36bubba1121Can i ask somebody a question about a database issue on the Sansa C240?
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22:45:12pixelmabubba1121: just ask and someone who knows will answer you
22:45:22desowinbubba1121: in guidelines, there's something about asking to ask...just ask, and maybe someone answers you
22:46:56bubba1121The database stays stuck at the building state. I've wiped the unit and started from scratch by just adding one song and it still has this issue. When building it says that it found 35 items even though there is only 1 song. Any pointers?
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22:50:33pixelmaBagder: maybe you could tell Zero_Chaos a bit more about the v2 sansas?
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22:50:50BagderZero_Chaos: any in particular you're interested in?
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22:51:05spasticteapotHa! I got it installed!
22:51:27spasticteapotWhat media player program is reccomended for use with Rockbox?
22:51:47spasticteapotI like Exaile!, but I'm not sure if it works well with it.
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22:55:41Zero_ChaosBagder: yeah, I saw your page talking about a few of the differences between v1 and v2 for sansa e280; I was wondering, either one stand out as better hardware (despite incomplete support for v2)
22:55:53spasticteapotAnyone?
22:56:48BagderZero_Chaos: I don't know as I haven't seen nor touched any of the v2s in real life and I don't think they've been around long enough to be proven hw-wise.
22:57:17Zero_ChaosBagder: spec wise perhaps? less ram, more ram, faster clock. ?
22:57:34BagderI think the main differences seem to be flash size and lcd
22:57:55Bagderwe don't know much about ram sizes yet
22:58:00Bagdernor clock
22:58:04Zero_ChaosBagder: flash size, ie the e280v1 and the e280v2 have different amount of flash?
22:58:22Bagderah you mean between v1 and v2
22:58:28Zero_ChaosBagder: yeah
22:58:52Bagderthen the basic diff is the SoC which is a (up to) 250MHz ARM9 in the v2 but a dual 100MHz core in the v1
22:59:06spasticteapotWhat music programs do people here use? Amarok? XMMS? Rythmbox? Exaile?
22:59:12Bagderwhich gives the v2 more horse power used easier
22:59:19Bagderand we have docs for it
22:59:28Bagderwhich we don't for the portalplayer in the v1
22:59:49Zero_ChaosBagder: I want to buy an e280 and the v2's are the only ones I can find new. So I will go for the v2 and wait for some fun testing in my future ;-)
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23:00:17dak0taSo has anybody seen the issue i'm experiencing with the c240? Thanks.
23:01:01desowinZero_Chaos: just to let you know...sansa OF is unuseable imo
23:01:55Zero_Chaosdesowin: from what I hear it sucks major ass but is not "unuseable" if I just wanted to listen to some music on the plane. And I have little issue testing alpha code as long as I have a low danger of bricking the device.
23:02:27pixelmadak0ta: usually the database only gets stuck on errors in the tags, did you try with another file?
23:02:30Lloreanspasticteapot: Choice of music program really has nothing to do with Rockbox
23:03:10dak0tayes. i've tried with multiple files but I did use the same tool to create all of my tags.
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23:05:45pixelmawhat type of files and what kind of tags do they have (like mp3s with ID3 tags)?
23:07:17spasticteapotWhen I plug my Rockbox'd C240 into my PC via USB, it's supposed to go back to the old firmware???
23:09:55dak0taare there any known tag properties that I may need to exclude from my files? I've just been using the default settings in the application Tag & Rename. Thanks.
23:10:15spasticteapotI think that my mp3 player has gone loopy.
23:11:21pixelmaspasticteapot: yes, it still needs the original firmware for data transfers
23:11:34spasticteapotI read through the manual, and still I'm confused: How am I supposed to put music on it?
23:11:45Mouser_XDrag+drop
23:11:52spasticteapotAll the folders are locked.
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23:11:55Mouser_XPut it wherever, and however, you want.
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23:12:01Mouser_XSo create new ones?
23:12:12|NSA|any way to whitelist directories that the database thingy should scan?
23:12:12Mouser_XUnlock them?
23:12:21dak0tathey are mp3 files with ID3 tags.
23:12:21|NSA|instead of blacklisting
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23:13:38pixelmadak0ta: check if there are also ape tags - if so get rid of them
23:13:45spasticteapotMy C240 is now a "read only file system."
23:13:46spasticteapotWTF?
23:14:13|NSA|spasticteapot: is it one of those woot ones?
23:14:13Llorean|NSA|: If you have more folders that the database shouldn't scan than folders that it should, perhaps you should reconsider whether you want a DAP or a portable HD.
23:14:19dak0tapixelma: excuse my ignorance, but how would i check to see if they have those tags?
23:14:51Mouser_XLlorean: Perhaps he just has tons of audio formats that he doesn't want in the database?
23:15:15pixelmadak0ta: I don't know tag&rename - the tag tool I use tells me
23:15:26dak0tawhich one do you use?
23:15:46LloreanMouser_X: If I recall the database ignore flag includes subfolders too, right?
23:15:55pixelmaalso some pc music players. I use mp3tag most of the times
23:16:00|NSA|and what is the url of the page talking about qtuutil
23:16:30Mouser_XLlorean: I think so. I need to readup on it. It's something that I should use.
23:17:03dak0tai'll snag it now and check.
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23:18:25spasticteapotNSA: Yup.
23:18:33pixelmaah Llorean, just wanted to ask you about how to proceed with attached patches or plugins... do you usually just delete them?
23:18:46spasticteapotIt worked before I installed Rockbox.....for a very limited definition of "worked".
23:19:26spasticteapotApparently, to get an mp3 player to work with playlists, I will have to scribe them on stone tablets, take them to the temple mount, and grind them up with the entrails of no less than three lemurs.
23:19:42Mouser_XHuh?
23:20:09Mouser_XPlaylists work fine in Rockbox. You just need to know how to convert them, if they're not in M3U format.
23:20:13dak0taOk, the properties of one of my tested files shows this: ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3)
23:20:17spasticteapotHmm.
23:20:37Mouser_XI've used Winamp to create playlists for Rockbox.
23:20:38spasticteapotProblem is, no drag-and-drop.
23:20:50spasticteapotIt's write-only now.
23:21:05Mouser_XShouldn't be. It sounds like there's a problem.
23:21:20spasticteapotI'm pretty sure there is.
23:21:21Lloreanpixelma: Yes, if a file is attached like that, where the extension isn't allowed, simply feel free to delete it.
23:21:33Mouser_XAre you in Windows, or Linux?
23:21:36pixelmadak0ta: hmm, sounds ok
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23:21:48spasticteapotLinux.
23:21:52Mouser_Xspasticteapot: And, what permissions do you have?
23:21:56Mouser_XAre you root?
23:21:57pixelmaLlorean: and the patch itself?
23:22:02Mouser_X(Or whatever it is.)
23:22:08spasticteapotMouser_X: Nope.
23:22:12*Mouser_X doesn't use Linux.
23:22:12dak0tathat's what i thought....hence my confusion. :)
23:22:26|NSA|its not possible to edit playlists from within rockbox?
23:22:46Mouser_X|NSA|: Sure it is. You'd need to open it in the text_editor plugin though.
23:23:08Mouser_X(Which can be a slight pain...)
23:23:39Lloreanpixelma: Well, in that case, I'm almost positive that what that .C is is more a demonstration, than a patch submitted for inclusion, or even a patch that does what the user wanted. So I kinda left it as I think it's more "here's some sample code" (which could't been done in a [code][/code] block) than a patch
23:23:51spasticteapotWell, even under root, I STILL can't put anything on the rockbox.
23:23:59LloreanMouser_X: What's wrong with the playlist editor?
23:24:04|NSA|Mouser_X: how? i cant find a "file open" in the text editor plugin
23:24:13spasticteapotI think it's bricked.
23:24:16amiconnMouser_X: Eh? There are more comfortable methods than the text editor...
23:24:19|NSA|and opening it from files just plays the songs
23:24:38Mouser_XI was refering to editing a non-active playlist. If there's other means, then I didn't know of them.
23:24:56Mouser_X(Active being the one you're currently listening to.)
23:24:57|NSA|amiconn: how?
23:25:00Llorean|NSA|: Yes, and then pause, and go to the playlist viewer.
23:25:11pixelmaLlorean: ah, thanks. Next time I'll be able to react quicker :)
23:25:36|NSA|yeah but how do i edit them, how can i for example remove an item?
23:25:53Llorean|NSA|: Use the context menu on an entry in the playlist viewer.
23:26:00LloreanThe manual might refer to it as the "File Menu"
23:26:32spasticteapotLlorean: Any chance you know why I can't access my mp3 player?
23:27:26Lloreanspasticteapot: What original firmware version?
23:27:32|NSA|Llorean: how do i access the context menu on a c200 sansa, i just ranomly press buttons and sometimes it comes up. but i dont know how i get it tocome up
23:27:34spasticteapotHmm.
23:27:38spasticteapotI downgraded it first....
23:28:09spasticteapotFor what it's worth, it's the one on your website it told me to downgrade to.
23:28:11|NSA|hmm, it seems to be the combo "select" + down
23:28:18Mouser_XIn some instances, using the text_editor plugin is better than the playlist editor. For example, I wanted to remove a very large segment of the playlist. In the PL editor, I would have had to do a long select, then remove, many times. In the text_editor, I simply selected a line, then cut it. Select the next line, cut it, and keep doing that. It was much faster, and I didn't need to worry about accidently playing the selected file.
23:28:20Llorean|NSA|: Is it not in the manual yet?
23:29:01Lloreanspasticteapot: I've noticed some difficulty with my c200 too, and it's a problem with the OF as it's their USB mode. I don't know how to fix it yet.
23:29:10spasticteapotWell, fnord.
23:29:37spasticteapotHow do I unbrick the silly thing?
23:29:50spasticteapotAt least under the OF, I could play music.
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23:31:22LloreanWell, all I did was reinstalled the OF and had it reformat my player. Version 1.01.06P of the OF seems to be working fine for me, and installing Rockbox over it was no problem
23:32:16spasticteapotHmm.
23:32:39spasticteapotHow do I go about reinstalling the OF?
23:32:42spasticteapotI'd like to try that, now.
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23:34:28samwichsehello, is there such a thing as a script to transfer Amarok album art to my rockboxed Sansa without manually copying/renaming/reformatting each image?
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23:35:51Lloreanspasticteapot: Same process as the downgrade, but with a current firmware file
23:36:08spasticteapotHmm.
23:36:13spasticteapotWhere do I get one of those?
23:36:20spasticteapotAnd how do I load it on to the now-bricked mp3 player?
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23:37:28Mouser_XCan you get it into recovery mode? Can the OF file be loaded onto it in recovery mode?
23:38:27Lloreanspasticteapot: Recovery mode should still work.
23:38:40spasticteapotHow do I engage that?
23:39:28pixelmasame steps as when you downgraded
23:39:36spasticteapotHmm.
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23:43:19dak0taok....now the unit has no songs on it all. When i select database, it tells me it's not initialized so I initialize it. It then tells me it's updating the database with 27 found (PREV to return). Am I missing something here? lol
23:43:49dak0taerr...building database, not updating...sorry.
23:44:21pixelmaafaik the database has a bug that it doesn't update when it finds no music
23:44:29pixelmaor initialise
23:45:33safetydandak0ta, you don't have files in your recycle bin/.trash do you?
23:45:52dak0tasafetydan: on the unit?
23:45:57safetydandak0ta, yes
23:46:07dak0tawhere would i check for that at?
23:46:23Mouser_XDo you have "hidden" files showing?
23:46:55Mouser_XIf the hidden files aren't showing up, then you wouldn't be able to see the recycle bin (Note: This is if you're using Windows.)
23:46:55dak0taumm...i don't know...ll
23:47:06safetydandak0ta, are you using Windows?
23:47:08dak0taye
23:47:12dak0tayes
23:47:37dak0taThe recycle bin in windows is empty
23:47:55safetydanyou'll need to enable "show hidden files" and actually check that the recycle bin on your player is empty
23:48:38dak0taahh..gotcha. I was looking through the unit, not in Windows. Let me check.
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23:51:08dak0ta12I don't see a recycle bin/.trash folder on my c240.
23:51:40safetydandak0ta12, is there a recylce bin folder at all?
23:52:13dak0ta12should it be on the root of the unit? I don't see one. I did format the drive before installing rockbox on it.
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23:55:42dak0ta12I see the following folders at the root: .rockbox, music, photo,playlists, record, system, tmp
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23:57:28KleviHow can i make my Micro SD card rewriteable... somehow it got changed to readonly (sansa c200 is my player)
23:57:56BagderKlevi: using linux?
23:58:30KleviNay Windows
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