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#rockbox log for 2007-12-11

00:00:46 Join H10_007quick [0] (n=chatzill@mnet-ki-244-78-181.monarch.net)
00:01:09H10_007quickDoes anyone know if the Cowon D2 would be a good player to get?
00:01:25LloreanIt doesn't run Rockbox.
00:01:26H10_007quickIs it possible that rockbox will support it in the future?
00:01:41H10_007quickI see that many other cowon devices support rockbox
00:01:53LloreanIt's possible if people buy them and work on it.
00:02:01 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:02:11H10_007quickI see but do you happen to know if its a good player?
00:02:13pixelmaNico_P, jott: somehow the "Better support for small displays" made it look worse on my c200
00:02:46jottpixelma: in what regard?
00:02:47H10_007quickmy H10 is bricked so...
00:02:48LloreanH10_007quick: Good is very subjective. Do some googling and read about it...
00:03:02H10_007quickfrom droping it one too many times
00:03:17jottpixelma: i tested it in the c200 sim :/
00:03:22krazykitH10_007quick, that isn't "bricked", that's "broken". the terminology is important.
00:03:46H10_007quickok and do you think that anyone would want my "broken" H10 for develepment purposes?
00:03:54H10_007quickI think its just the harddrive
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00:04:06LloreanIt's pretty useless at this point unless it's recoverable.
00:04:43H10_007quickMaybe barry has a spare harddrive he could stick in it and then he would have a player
00:04:47H10_007quickI will have to ask him
00:04:48jott...and the nano sim..both looked "good to me"
00:05:06pixelmajott: it even looks "bigger" than before (I think it is the previous and next covers that you see in perspective view) and it doesn't look as smooth as before
00:06:02pixelmathat impression is most visible when there is only the ? cover
00:06:55jottpixelma: the next/prev covers should be 50x50 now on smaller screens..
00:07:29jott(as in LCD_WIDTH < 200 for now)
00:08:00pixelmabut it looks like 100x100 (and I did a full build with a "make clean" before) but I'll try again
00:08:17peturoh fun... building database on my h380 and it just froze :(
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00:09:17pixelmathere seem to be issues with random freezes on coldfire (pun ?) again. I had 2 the last days when browsing files or menus
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00:10:55jottpixelma: make sure you rebuild the cache (it's in the settings menu now)
00:12:32pixelmaurgh... that somehow reminds me of windows reboots that magically fix for no reason broken things :\ ...but now that I can enter the menu on c200, I can do that...
00:12:37 Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?")
00:12:50kugeljust a question, did any user report pf plugin not working while music playing?
00:13:48pixelmajott: and now I can also see the "preparing album artwork" and the progress bar... ;) That fixed it by the way
00:15:16jottkugel: yes it is troublesome atm as the audiobuffer may uses ram pf wants to have :)
00:15:31kugeloh
00:15:51kugelI have this issue, but I thought it caused by the bmp_resize, so that I didn't bother to report
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00:17:01kugelis there any workaround for this?
00:17:07pixelmaone of my 5 cover.bmp looks odd in pf because it is almost all black at the borders...
00:20:27pixelmabut I wouldn't want to use pf for everyday browsing because it's slower as you can only see 3 items maximum at once and this only if you have all the art and recognise it, a list does a better job there but isn't that fancy (of course...)
00:20:29kugelso sad, i wanted to try roolkus patch
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00:21:03peturhmmm I loaded lots of cover.bmp files on my h380 (100x100, 24bit) but none of them show up. Must try a WPS with AA to see if that works
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00:25:31*petur spots a new menu item called rebuild cache :)
00:25:49kugelpixelma: I would use it, if scroll wheel accleration would work
00:26:42peturI have too many albums on my device to make it usable, but it is fun to look at ;)
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00:27:03kugelit's very usable on itunes imo
00:27:13kugelso, it would be usable for my sansa as well i gues
00:27:15kugels
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00:28:39Nico_Pkugel: are you aware of the fact that you can't view a big JPEG while music is playing? well it's exactly the same problem here
00:28:42pixelmato me it's not handy enough, just something that looks nice (hence I'm fine with it being a plugin) and to stick out the ongue into apple's direction ;)
00:29:14pixelmaerr... *tongue :P
00:29:38kugelNico_P: what are you refering too?
00:29:55Nico_P[00:12] <kugel> just a question, did any user report pf plugin not working while music playing?
00:30:08peturpreparing album artwork takes ages... - too many albums :)
00:30:21kugelI saw no bug report reporting this
00:30:31Nico_Pbecause it's not a bug
00:30:42kugeloh I think it is
00:31:05jottpetur: have you db in ram and dir cache on? this speeds up everything :)
00:31:09Nico_Pthen what about the jpeg viewer?
00:31:23pixelmaprobably it would be nice if you could chose the album to play through it but what would happen - can I only chose the whole album to listen too (I'm not familiar with the original thing)?
00:31:29kugelBug too
00:31:31Nico_Pkugel: also we know it very well, no need for a bug report
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00:31:51kugelJust because it's not fixable atm this doesn't mean it's not a bug for me
00:32:31kugelI never had this issue with the jpeg viewer btw
00:32:45kugelI'm not viewing pictures on my dap
00:33:04Lloreankugel: If things work as WE intend it at the moment, it's not a Bug
00:33:22LloreanA bug is something that's *broken*, not something that works in a way you don't like, but works how we made it work.
00:33:29safetydankugel: the issue is that all the RAM apart from a small part is allocated to playing audio. This is by design an not a bug.
00:33:40kugelThere's absolutely no reason to argue about that now
00:33:46kugelfor me, it's a bug
00:33:51kugelfor you, it's not a bug
00:33:53Lloreankugel: Yes, but for Rockbox it's NOT
00:33:54kugelperiod
00:34:00*jott still wonders if there are any real statistics on battery life increase in relation to buffer used
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00:34:13Lloreankugel: and you do NOT get to make the decision. You file it as a feature request if it's "Working as we intend it, but not how you want it to be"
00:34:14safetydanjott: no, but it'd be nice to know
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00:35:04jotti suppose in some cases it could actually decrease the battery life
00:35:26Nico_Pjott: the main issue is that if you're not using a plugin it's wasted memory
00:35:43Nico_Pbut the new buffering API offers possible solutions
00:35:49safetydanIt would be easy to test I guess. Do a battery bench on a normal build, then do a battery bench on a build with say, half the ram available?
00:35:49jottNico_P: yes..
00:36:23jottsafetydan: yeah this would atleast be one refrence value..
00:36:40Nico_Pkugel: btw, this limitation is mentioned on the wiki page
00:36:49pixelmasafetydan: if you have a 80GB Video this should be easy...
00:36:53kugeloh there's a wiki page now?
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00:37:13Nico_Phttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginPictureFlow
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00:37:49jotti guess a "real" test would also involve random skip of tracks (which in turn refills the buffer with previously cached stuff that needed hdd access etc.)
00:38:23pixelmahow "real" this test would be depends on your usage pattern
00:38:23jottof course spin up times cost much..
00:38:31jottpixelma: indeed..
00:38:34safetydanpixelma: true, but I don't have an iPod Video :)
00:38:44LloreanLarger buffers are going to hurt people who skip a lot, and help people who listen continuously, it's pretty much just expected.
00:38:57roolkuNico_P: did you see my patch?
00:39:02kugelWhy is the main buffer used? I've read somewhere, that plugins have it's own memory
00:39:11FunkyELFso whats the deal with the battery life when using rockbox on the iPod? I heard the bad battery life is because it is using software to decode mp3 rather than the dedicated hardware on the iPod....is that true?
00:39:13Nico_Proolku: I saw the tracker entry, but not the patch yet
00:39:15Lloreankugel: And that memory is a lot smaller than the main buffer.
00:39:21pixelmakugel: then you couldn't use it at all
00:39:26LloreanFunkyELF: Not true at all
00:39:29kugelDidn't know that
00:39:58FunkyELFLlorean, is it because it is just not as optimized as the original firmware as far as caching goes?
00:40:06LloreanFunkyELF: The iPod doesn't have dedicated MP3 hardware. Whoever told you that didn't do their research into the actual reasons. It's because we don't have enough hardware information to be sure we're properly disabling things not in use, and otherwise getting the most efficiency out of the hardware.
00:40:07jottLlorean: yes.. that's what i would think too (with the skipping)
00:40:30LloreanFunkyELF: Our caching of audio is actually better than Apples, as is shown by our better runtime on the 1st through 3rd generation iPods.
00:40:42kugelI wonder if the space between the images can be reduced, so that we can see 5 at a time
00:40:42amiconnLlorean: Large buffers would only hurt when skipping *backwards* a lot, or way forward, i.e. outside the buffered stuff
00:41:01FunkyELFLlorean, ah, okay that was going to be my next question about caching
00:41:12FunkyELFLlorean, what kind of things are you talking about disabling?
00:41:14Lloreanamiconn: Most of the people I know who are compulsive skippers listen to less than a minute, then next, then next frequently until they get a "good" song. They just shuffle everything, and skip and hope. =/
00:41:33safetydanFunkyELF: generally disabling hardware we're not using on the iPod.
00:41:44amiconnOdd method.... why don't they just delete the music they don't like?
00:41:58pixelmainteresting in one of the folders there were 2 bmps - and it pf picked the one with the right resolution (it was named albumname.50x50.bmp - the other doesn't have the 50x50 part)
00:41:59LloreanFunkyELF: Don't really know, honestly. Part of the problem is that we aren't 100% sure where whether we're doing everything right, and not doing enough, or whether a few things aren't being done right yet.
00:42:03safetydanamiconn: it's more about mood. Sometimes you don't know what you want to listen to until you hear it.
00:42:08FunkyELFsafetydan, yeah, I wanted a specific example....I know theres a screen and a disk, what else could be shut down?
00:42:20safetydanFunkyELF: if we knew that we could shut it down :)
00:42:30Lloreanamiconn: People are crazy. Maybe just not in the mood, but I don't understand why they don't playlist up what they want to hear instead of treating it like an extremely finite radio with a next button
00:42:46amiconnLlorean: Btw, the "next, next" method should be buffer size indifferent, especially if it's done fast enough that the disk doesn't spin down in between
00:43:08safetydanFunkyELF: but seriously, I'd say it's more to do with parts we've got powered up but not using like say, the recording part of the audio chips in the iPod.
00:43:23Lloreanamiconn: 's always buffer size dependent, yeah. but if they stop long enough for buffering to complete, then they get to trigger another spinup next time they fall in love with the next button.
00:43:23jottamiconn: no it will fill up the buffer as soon as the song starts with probably "unwanted" songs..
00:43:26roolkupixelma: it tries the one with the preferred resolution first and uses it when found, same as wps
00:44:09FunkyELFahh....here's another question not related to battery life. I have this problem with the original firmware as well. When I'm at work and it is quiet I put my iPod with my Shure in-ear head-phones and the very first step above mute is too loud. Is there anything I can do without re-encoding the music?
00:44:38pixelmaroolku: yesterday I was told that it wouldn't pick the ones up that had the resolution in the file name - but today changed a lot I guess... :)
00:44:39safetydanFunkyELF: try replaygain and eq precut
00:44:49LloreanThe iPod Video's minimum volume is pretty high. :(
00:44:56*FunkyELF goes and grabs his iPod
00:45:24***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:45:30amiconnFunkyELF: Use different (less sensitive) earphones, or a dap with better volume control ;)
00:45:58roolkupixelma: it uses the same function as the core for wps, so it uses the preferred/specified size. I believe that size was changed from 100x100 to 50x50 with the "improvement for small screens" commit
00:46:32pixelmaspeaking of battery_benches and Ipods - did someone ever see results of runtime tests comparing different brightness settings?
00:46:47*amiconn is annoyed by the pictureflow plugin :(
00:47:04FunkyELFfound precut, where is the replaygain?
00:47:16pixelmawith the current implementation I mean, not the old one that was in a lot of unsupported builds
00:47:20Lloreanamiconn: On its own, or the fact that there's now a bunch of clamoring people saying "I hope this is a new direction for Rockbox"?
00:47:37Nico_Proolku: you got it right ;)
00:47:44peturamiconn: I'm already on the been there, seen it, move on point ;)
00:47:56Lloreanpixelma: The new one is almost certain to offer equal, if not better, improvements to battery life, right?
00:48:01*petur removes database files again...
00:48:39pixelmaLlorean: yes, I would think so but it would be nice to have some numbers ;)
00:48:47amiconnI dislike that this useless gimmick draws so much developer attention away from important things like fixing nasty bugs :(
00:49:15peturor viewports... :P
00:49:28Lloreanpixelma: Numbers are always nice to have, yeah.
00:49:39safetydanFunkyELF: the precut should be sufficient for your needs, but you might want to google Replay Gain and how it will help you.
00:50:36preglowamiconn: people work with what they enjoy, there's not much to be done about that
00:50:51Nico_Pamiconn: I needed a break from playback code... and jott did most of the work. IMO a new contributor with a nice concept should always be welcom
00:51:02*safetydan wonders when the database gets sophisticated enough to integrate something like sqlite :)
00:51:30pixelmapreglow: if Rockbox becomes unusable because of this there will be no joy to work on anything... ;)
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00:51:39*petur slaps safetydan with a tiny microcontroller
00:51:50Nico_PI think Rockbox repels potential contributors a bit too much
00:52:18preethey... maybe I'm just overlooking something, but I was browsing the Rockbox source and I see header files in some files (bootloader/common.c for example), included like #include lcd.h ... but I can't find any 'lcd.h' in the source tree?
00:52:31LloreanNico_P: Should things be accepted just for the sake of garnering attention then? I'm not sure what you're saying.
00:53:02peturpreet: look again
00:53:24Nico_PLlorean: no, I'm thinking in terms of spirit and welcome in here... not really in terms of code. Being demanding on code quality is good
00:53:34peturpreet: firmware/export/lcd.h
00:53:43preetthanks!
00:54:03amiconnpreglow: Yeah I know... still I really don't get it
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00:54:22amiconnWhat use is a firmware that crashes and freezes during normal use?
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00:55:11Nico_Pamiconn: it's working perfectly fine for me... no crashes at all
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00:55:27Nico_Pit's hard to fix bugs you don't see
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00:55:35scorche|wNico_P: specifically, how do you think things could be improved?
00:55:36Nico_Ps/hard/harder
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00:56:10safetydanwow, who knew that there are actually SQL database systems targeted at embedded systems?
00:56:14preglowi get the bug when skipping tracks near the end of another track pretty consistently
00:56:18Nico_Pscorche|w: honestly I don't really know but sometimes I get the feeling we might be a little too conservative
00:56:49scorche|wNico_P: do you have any specific examples to offer up to clarify a bit?
00:57:17LloreanWell I think we do come down on "broad" ideas a little hard.
00:57:35LloreanA contributor can get the feeling that if you don't like his "shiny" new ideas, you don't like him.
00:57:40Nico_Pone that comes to my mind is gregj. It's true he wasn't making much real propositions, but IMHO he did make some valid points
00:58:14Nico_Pand he also did try to defend them
00:58:21preglowgregj?
00:58:56Nico_Ppreglow: yeah, remember him?
00:59:08Nico_Pmaybe not the best example though
00:59:28preglowno, i don't
00:59:57LloreanWhat was he proposing?
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01:01:23Nico_PI'm trying to find the logs
01:01:40pixelmawasn't he proposing some load balancing dual core stuff on portalplayer or something (excuse my non-technical vocabulary here)
01:02:12preglowwell, ok, in that case we did right in telling him off, then :>
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01:02:40pixelmaat least I think he mentioned it, not sure if that's what he was proposing - don't remember details
01:03:39LloreanI think there's a fine line in explaining the constraints we expect contributors to try to work within, and discouraging people by sounding like we don't want change.
01:03:55LloreanWord choice can make a pretty big difference to some people, because they assume inflection rather than just reading what you're saying
01:04:09preglowsure, but these are issues we really can't do much about...
01:04:16preglowRockbox IRC Wording Specification
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01:04:53preglowi think we're doing pretty well in that regard compared to other projects, actually
01:05:27preglowat least you seldom to see outright hostility here
01:05:55jottin the end it's often a matter of individuals (and as llorean says in "misunderstandings")
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01:06:09Nico_Pwell I can't seem to find the precise log I was looking for, but gregj suggested some things like releasing and roadmaps
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01:06:19LloreanA lot of times people do see you asking them to justify either their feature, or the way they implemented their feature, as mere unwillingness, too.
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01:06:24preglowaaah, sufficiently thorny field :>
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01:07:53Nico_Pbut my point is we can sometimes come off as discouraging to people who could be potential contributors
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01:08:03Nico_Pas you said, mostly a matter of misunderstanding
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01:08:45Nico_Pamiconn: btw, I have no intention of abandoning playback.c now that I know it rather well
01:09:20preglowNico_P: but really, what can be done about that? it's often just a case of single people replying to some person in their own manner
01:09:29handmademattersHmm... sitting here with bleeding-edge build (clean install) picture flow not working... Any others with that experiance?
01:09:36preglowwe can't go around giving people guidelines on how to behave
01:09:43preglowhandmadematters: database initialized?
01:10:11handmademattersups
01:10:32preglowno ups, we don't really advertise that fact very widely yet...
01:10:41preglowi think it's going to be updated to tell you that very soon
01:10:43Nico_Pyeah a message needs to be added
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01:11:25jottpreglow: yeah as i said it's often a matter of individuals, but for a project as a whole, the question is how "representative" individuals behave..
01:11:30handmademattersHeres a guy thankfull that i didnt get slapped for that ;-)
01:11:46Lloreanpreglow: Also, if being critical of their idea causes them not to want to contribute, then they're sure to run into problems at some point anyway, whether you use good language or not, because everyone runs up against the goals of the project one day, and disagrees with one of 'em.
01:11:47preglowhandmadematters: we try not to make a habit of slapping people for things which is our fault :>
01:11:57preglowsure
01:11:58preglowlike i said
01:12:03preglowi really don't think we're doing too bad
01:12:56midkayhey Nico_P?
01:13:14Nico_Pyes?
01:13:18preglowespecially considering rockbox has a slightly higher threshold with regards to skill
01:13:53Nico_Ppreglow: I don't really know how it is with other projects, but I know I liked how I was welcomed in my time
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01:14:49midkayNico_P: about a month ago %s|margin| was introduced to make aligning scrolling lines possible on album art WPS designs.. and it worked fine for me. then shortly after you commited %m|margin| which also sounded useful, but my WPS never worked since then and i finally figured out why: rather than just adding %m|margin| you actually got rid of %s|margin| as well?
01:14:54midkaythat's what it looks like from the diff.
01:15:31LloreanYes
01:15:32Nico_Pmidkay: yes, %s|margin| was a bad idea
01:15:40jottLlorean: speaking of.. are the "goals of the project" written somewhere?
01:15:41Nico_P(mine, IIRC)
01:15:45Llorean%s|margin| was also in for something less than a day, right?
01:15:45midkaybut um.. i need it..
01:15:53Lloreanmidkay: You can do %s%m
01:15:55midkayyeah, but it was really useful. what's the problem with it?
01:16:00midkayoh and that works the same?
01:16:04Nico_Pmidkay: yes
01:16:10midkaywhew. okay. fair enough. that was really confusing..
01:16:18LloreanWe didn't remove functionality, we expanded it further by making them indepedent.
01:16:18preglowbut now that we were speaking about releases...
01:16:23preglowi'd really like to see one of those :>
01:16:30midkayyou didn't say you removed %s|margin| in the commit message, nor that %s%m|margin| could be used that way..
01:16:37Nico_Ppreglow: I'd like it too
01:16:38midkaymakes sense now, it was just really unclear to me.
01:17:04Nico_Pmidkay: yeah, the commit message could've been clearer
01:17:13preglowi really think the time is getting better for a release now
01:17:19Nico_Pbut the wiki page explained both the tags independantly
01:17:24Lloreanjott: I don't think there's a specific list. It's more ideals. The core should be KISS where possible, lean when able, don't sacrifice functionality for flash, things like that
01:17:25*amiconn thinks that applies to a lot of commit messages
01:17:43preglowmost features we want are in
01:17:44amiconnThungs like 'fix yellow' aren't really descriptive...
01:17:48amiconn*things
01:17:55Nico_Pjott: "music before the rest" too
01:18:08Lloreanamiconn: Especially since the build table gets rid of the yellow, so you don't have a log of the warning to look back on
01:18:09midkayamiconn: yeah, i can usually figure them out fine.. i think this one was flat-out misleading..
01:18:17midkaybut it's okay..
01:18:18Lloreanjott: Oh, right, "Rockbox is a MUSIC player" is a pretty big goal
01:18:29pixelmaand to me: as multi-platform as possible
01:18:55Lloreanpixelma: and platform independent interface?
01:19:11amiconnpreglow: Imo we're pretty far from releasable state still
01:19:22Lloreanpreglow: I'd say if we could shape up the remaining playback bugs, and put voice through some testing, we'd be pretty close.
01:19:26preglowamiconn: i think bugs are pretty much what is between us and a release
01:19:35amiconnYes, but pretty nasty bugs
01:19:42preglowwell, sure, but that's what a feature freeze is for
01:19:47pixelmaLlorean: maybe it's the night time here, but I can't imagine atm what you mean by that
01:20:18preglowi didn't say i want a relase _now_, i said i'd like it if we were to try entering a release cycle again
01:21:02Lloreanpixelma: Try not to change "the way it works" from player to player. When someone uses a Rockbox gadget, they're using Rockbox, though on a screen and with buttons defined by the hardware.
01:22:11Nico_Pamiconn: I'd really appreciate a bug report in FS for the end of playlist issue
01:22:13amiconnLlorean: There are those spurios crash/freeze bugs (had several occasions both on coldfire and PP502x), the nasty crash bug on PP5002 (okay, we could leave out PP5002 from the first swcodec release), several powermanagement issues, bugs in playback/wps behaviour, plugin button mess...
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01:22:36Nico_Pamiconn: for any playback issue that is not the playlist index thing, actually
01:22:44Lloreanpreglow: Well the best way would to arbitrarily pick a date for feature freeze, and start publicizing it now, with the honest hope that as it approaches people start preparing for it.
01:23:04preglowamiconn: i really think we should drop pp altogether
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01:23:16amiconnpreglow: Uh? why that?
01:23:21preglowthe power issues would be one of those bugs that made our previous release attempt futile
01:23:27Lloreanamiconn: I don't think PP fits in the first Swcodec release, or at least PP5022
01:23:36LloreanIf the PP5002 thing can be fixed, I think those are more okay
01:23:49preglowand i don't think we should do a release with such a severe bug
01:24:02amiconnG3 would be okay then... G1/G2 needs working suspend first
01:24:11preglowbtw, how is the gigabeat f port doing? would one be able to call it complete with a straight face?
01:24:23LloreanI don't know if the plugin button mess is relevant to a release though. As long as the plugins work from a user side, how their buttons are mapped internally is irrelevant to a release at least
01:24:29Lloreanpreglow: Easily
01:24:51amiconnI don't think the power issue should stop us from releasing for PP if the port is stable
01:24:51pixelmaLlorean: then yes but only as far as "if button A does x and y on one target, those x and y should be the same button on another target too"
01:24:59Nico_Ppreglow: it lacks RoLo but that's pretty much all
01:25:06Lloreanpreglow: The Gigabeat F port is damn solid. The only OF feature it's missing is USB host afaik, and the only "Rockbox" features it's not got working are ROLO and dual boot, iirc.
01:25:31amiconnDual boot isn't working on the cf iaudios either
01:25:36preglowamiconn: but yeah, i just think pp has too many bugs we can't count on fixing soon, no usb, power, crashing pp5002...
01:26:01preglowNico_P: would rolo be hard to implement?
01:26:13Lloreanpixelma: Yeah. And there are special cases like the Ondio of course. I just meant that the Rockbox shouldn't have more features for some hardware than others, except where hardware limits it. It's one program running on different players, not a different program for each player. :)
01:26:22Lloreanamiconn: there's a patch for that now, isn't there?
01:26:30Nico_Ppreglow: kkujburn seems to says it's not easy
01:26:33Lloreanamiconn: Rather, there's a *new* patch that removes the old "bad" dependency
01:26:38pixelmaamiconn: there still is a "new" patch for the bootloader which says it doesn't rely on OF things anymore, no-one looked into...
01:26:42preglowNico_P: i wonder why it wouldn't be easy
01:26:49pixelmaeh
01:27:05amiconnYeah, I heard about the new patch... not really motivated to try it
01:27:26Nico_Ppreglow: ask him... he made a change to the boot.lds (or something like that) once, to ease implementatio, but the change had to be reverted
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01:27:52Nico_PJdGordon seemed to know what was wrong at the time
01:27:55amiconnImo dual boot is not a must-have unless there's a special reason mandating it
01:28:01preglowagreed
01:28:14preglowi wouldn't call that a release blocker at all
01:28:25Nico_Psame here
01:28:42pixelmaI think USB host on the X5 could qualify as a "good reason" though
01:28:47krazykitthe only thing from the gigabeatF OF would be USB-OTG support, but only because it sounds nifty
01:28:59pixelmabut I don't need dual boot on M5 :)
01:29:06preglowwhat chip does the gigabeat f use again?
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01:29:43Lloreanamiconn: Interestingly enough the players significantly lacking it are also players that USB host, a feature we can't replace yet.
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01:30:08*Lars_G jumps around and headbangs
01:30:17preglowsounds fun
01:30:22Lars_Gnp: Primus - American Life (1:24 / 0:00)
01:30:33preglowno scripts, please
01:30:45*Lars_G nods
01:31:10Lars_GModifying my tagnavi :D
01:31:38preglowthat does not sound like fun, however
01:31:45Lars_Git's not so bad
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01:32:01Lars_GI decided I wanted it my way a little, so I'm getting what I need.
01:32:02roolkukrazykit: you can't use USB-OTG without the cradle (and external power) so it is pretty useless
01:32:06Lars_Gat least it's not the static OF
01:32:28Lloreanroolku: Did they ever determine that it was impossible even with a dock-port adapter?
01:33:35krazykitroolku, i knew about the cradle, but not about needing external power.
01:33:52handmadematterspictureflow works as expected on H10 (5GB) after database installation and with known bugs
01:34:14pixelmaLlorean: then: yes of course - and the Ondio is pretty much intuitive to operate (IMO). I think XavierGr was it who got an Ondio later and confirmed that too :)
01:34:14amiconnLlorean: I'm not sure about the order in which things happened back in archos-only times even before I discovered rockbox, but afaik the first releases also didn't support all features of the OF (e.g. recording on recorders, or the fm radio on fmrecorders), and there was no dual boot
01:34:22Lars_GOk let's try it out
01:34:26amiconn...and rolo was also invented later afaik
01:34:35roolkuLlorean: not sure
01:34:50zei remember trying one of the 1st releases that did nothing but link an LED
01:34:58Lloreanamiconn: I certainly don't mind to a release without dual boot or all features. I was just pointing it out. :) But I still think the 5022 battery life means they shouldn't be in the release.
01:35:02zeer BLINK
01:35:08Nico_Phandmadematters: I added an error message for when the DB isn't reayd
01:35:21amiconnze: That was not a *release* for sure ;)
01:35:53roolkuLlorean: the signals are there, but they may need to converted to the proper voltage levels
01:35:54amiconnLlorean: 5022 battery life is okay even if it's not as good as OF... 5020 is worse
01:36:24roolku*need to be*
01:36:37Nico_Proolku: I took a quick look at your patch... looks nice and simple :)
01:36:40Nico_PI'll test tomorrow
01:36:41LloreanIt just doesn't feel "release quality" to me. Personal opinion obviously, but I think a release should mean "things work how we want them" not "things work the best we can get right now"
01:36:57LloreanAnd while you may have to settle for "the best we can get", I don't think you should plan to use it in advance.
01:37:44LloreanOtherwise, we could just call today's daily the 3.0 release, and ship it with a known bugs .txt. Enough people use it anyway that it's "good enough" and it's surely "the best we can get in the next 5 minutes" :)
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01:38:56amiconnI agree that current svn isn't release quality... but not due to the battery runtime issue
01:38:57roolkuNico_P: okay. Just wanted to know if you agree to the approach before I invest more time. I have a stupid business meeting tomorrow though, all day and evening. :(
01:38:58preglowLlorean: agreed
01:40:38amiconnIt's something that needs fixing, but it's not a show stopper like crashes, freezes and unexpected behaviour
01:40:59preglowi think lousy battery time is a showstopper, really
01:41:01Nico_Proolku: I don't know the DB code well enough to agree or disagree, really
01:41:16Nico_Ptbh, I don't know it at all
01:41:35LloreanI think it's a show stopper for a release, because putting that release "stamp" on it is like saying "We find this acceptable", and I really don't at least
01:41:46LloreanIt's something we *have* to accept, for now, but it's not something we *want* to accept
01:42:08Nico_Proolku: all PF needs is to be able to get a list of unique AA pics and the associated tracklist for each pic
01:42:28amiconnLlorean: Well, we call PP502x targets supported...
01:43:06roolkuNico_P: I don't think it will need the list. It can just return the index to the selected cover and the db can do the rest
01:43:25Lloreanamiconn: Because Rockbox is "usable" on them.
01:43:32Nico_Proolku: yeah, I meant under the form of db queries, kinda like we get the albums list ATM
01:43:50LloreanI just don't see why we should shoehorn targets into a release.
01:44:20roolkuNico_P: at the moment I am debating how to pass the list if coverimages which can be potentially quite long
01:44:22LloreanIf we swcodec release, we add X5/X5L/X5V, M5/M5L, H1xx, H3xx, and Gigabeat F/X even if we leave off all PortalPlayers
01:44:26LloreanI don't see any urgency to add them in
01:45:12Nico_Proolku: for the albums we do it iterator-style ("rb->tagcache_get_next(&tcs)")
01:46:11preglowLlorean: agreed completely, release to means the target is in the state i meant it to be
01:46:15preglowto me
01:46:41amiconnX5s and M5s aren't, and the irivers also have problems still
01:46:57LloreanI'm not talking about today, for those
01:47:19LloreanBut they have "fixable" problems, while the battery issue is too unknown to say "Hard work and good testing can get it done"
01:47:52roolkuNico_P: I am not sure if the api for filter results is accessable in a similar manner (yet), but will check it out
01:48:09preglowamiconn: i'm not saying they're ready now, i'm just saying those bugs are just a matter of debugging
01:48:33preglowfixing the pp bugs are a matter of disassembling, reverse engineering and hooking shit up to ampere meters
01:48:38preglownot all developers are into that
01:48:42preglowas a matter of fact, very, very few are
01:48:44amiconnX5 and M5 need usb/power management related work
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01:49:49*Nico_P is off to bed... gnight all
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01:50:00amiconnThey charge only slowly from usb in rockbox (100mA), as we need to use special trickery to make the PCF charge at 500mA
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01:50:17preglowhow special? is the procedure documented?
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01:50:47amiconnAnd I'm not even sure whether charging with the dedicated charger uses the full current... I don't trust it
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01:51:32*amiconn always charges his X5 using the cowon loader
01:51:49amiconnWe also don't use the X5/M5 LED(s) yet, btw
01:52:03preglowwhat should we use them for?
01:52:31amiconnIf we have no other use, they should probably work the same as in the OF, as charging indicator(s)
01:53:30preglowi can't think of any other use
01:53:40preglowhd activity?
01:53:43amiconnDisk activity, perhaps
01:53:48preglowyeah
01:54:31safetydanHow big is the plugin stack?
01:54:36safetydanor does it not have its own?
01:54:43amiconnPlugins use the main stack
01:54:52preglowso it's pretty big
01:54:53amiconn...which is 8KB on all targets
01:55:04preglowamiconn: is such a big stack needed, btw?
01:55:13amiconnBut of course it's already uses somewhat when entering the plugin
01:55:18amiconn*used
01:55:33safetydanhah, so much for fitting sqlite in as a plugin then
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01:56:04preglowsafetydan: how much does it need?
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01:56:29preglowsafetydan: you could spawn your own thread in the plugin, using as much stack space as you want
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01:56:46safetydanpreglow: it's 180 KB compiled, needs 16 KB of stack, and around 100KB of heap and that's with everything optional removed apparently
01:57:10amiconnAnd that's called 'lite'? :>
01:57:14preglowsounds doable
01:57:36safetydanapparently it's used by Philips MP3 players for their metadata database
01:58:25safetydanoo, but it can be compiled without malloc
01:58:37scorcheLlorean: was "Greg Wright" the person you spoke with?
01:59:40Lloreanscorche: No. Scott Nelson
01:59:51LloreanAssuming we're talking Real here
01:59:55scorcheyup
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02:00:35scorchei got 2 replies to my inquiry to the Helix media activity on the XO because he CCed a Real person ont he mail..
02:01:02scorchelet me pastebin them..
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02:03:11scorcheLlorean: preglow: others concerned: http://pastebin.ca/811554
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02:08:04preglowwell, that didn't make me any less confused
02:08:13LloreanI was about to say almost the same thing
02:08:43LloreanSaying their AAC fixed point codec is open sourced doesn't mean it's under a GPL compatible license still
02:09:00*scorche deletes his similar comment
02:09:22LloreanIt's probably that RPSL thing again, so that they can keep themselves covered for patent liability or something.
02:09:57saratogathat whole patent thing makes no sense anyway
02:10:09saratogaseems like no one at real knows what or how they're releaseing
02:11:00scorchesuggested reply?
02:11:52saratogawell it sounds like neither of them knows the answer, so maybe try that licsening list they mention
02:12:05scorcheisnt that where Llorean went to?
02:12:08LloreanNo
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02:12:26LloreanI went directly to licensing@helixcommunity.com or whatever. The "For license questions, ask" link on their site. Not a list, afaik
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02:13:01pixelmaLlorean: something else, are you on the users' ml?
02:13:22LloreanBut I'd mention that we need the code under a license that's GPL compatible, and we can't seem to find the code he's mentioned that would be, and if they can point us more precisely in the right direction.
02:13:28Lloreanpixelma: For Rockbox? Yes.
02:13:41scorcheLlorean: sounds good
02:15:04pixelmawell, Rockbox is implied in this channel. :) Did you see the latest replies in the "Sansa e200 & flash card"? I'd like to comment but I'm not (yet) registered in this ml and am not even sure if I could join threads that are already started...
02:15:29pixelmaif I would register now
02:16:34LloreanAny specific response?
02:16:38LloreanI haven't been following that thread.
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02:18:26pixelmayou mean what I would response or the mail I'm referring to?
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02:18:46LloreanWell I'm more than happy to respond
02:19:16LloreanShould I just summarize? MicroSD works on e200 and c200, MicroSDHC works on e200, we need someone with a c200 and the SDHC card to come and communicate with devs to see what the case is there?
02:19:39pixelmayes, something along that lines
02:20:12LloreanOkay
02:20:19pixelmanice, thank you in advance :)
02:20:30LloreanNo worries.
02:20:35pixelmaI'm off to bed, gnight
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02:54:21arken0493I need help. My MP3 Player (Sansa E280R) Won't work now
02:54:46advcomp2019arken0493, what is happening
02:54:46arken0493I installed rockbox on it, and It worked on the computer I originally plugged into
02:55:21arken0493But I plugged it in on a different computer, and now it has issues. After about 30 seconds or so, it doesn't read anything on the drive, no matter what computer I plug it into
02:55:39advcomp2019arken0493, are you in rockbox or OF
02:55:46arken0493What's OF?
02:56:20psycho_maniacoriginal firmware meaning the sansa operating system
02:56:28advcomp2019arken0493, OF is the sansa firmware
02:56:56arken0493ooh.
02:57:05arken0493How do I get to that without booting rockbox?
02:57:15arken0493Rockbox works fine. But I can't hook it up to a computer.
02:57:22psycho_maniacwhen it boots up hold left
02:57:30advcomp2019arken0493, turn it off then plug it in
02:57:33arken0493Okk..
02:57:48arken0493its plugged in.
02:57:50arken0493It works fine.
02:58:01arken0493*boop beep*
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02:58:34psycho_maniacthe enter button is not a space bar. meaning you could of typed all that in one line with periods and such.
02:59:12arken0493My bad. =P. Anyhow, it seems to be working fine now.
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03:01:16arken0493I think the issue may have been trying to unlock the music folder.
03:01:20psycho_maniacarken0493: you have to do that every time you want to plug it into a computer. just like the way you did.
03:01:35arken0493I know
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03:01:53arken0493I've had rockbox for about a month know (I love it). This was a random issue
03:02:46psycho_maniacoh thats strange.
03:03:17arken0493Yeah. It was kinda weird.
03:05:23psycho_maniacpictureflow kinda sucks on the 5.5g ipod 80gig
03:05:42Shaidslow?
03:06:33arken0493rockbox seems to be quite buggy >_>
03:07:35safetydanarken0493: if you find any bugs please add them to the bug tracker
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03:09:22arken0493I have to log in for this?
03:11:46psycho_maniacyou have to register first.
03:11:50safetydanyou have to create a flyspray account first yes
03:12:21arken0493That's stupid. I guarrentee you would have more people want to report bugs if you didn't make that rule.
03:12:49Lloreanarken0493: We tried it like that, and just got a lot more crap.
03:13:02psycho_maniacwhy is that stupid? when you register its easier to keep track of your bugs and patches you made.
03:13:08LloreanPeople asked to sign up first actually stop and think, rather than just posting the first thing that comes to mind.
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03:13:29LloreanWe used to get dozens of repeats of the same thing, now it's usually down to two or three
03:13:31arken0493Alright. My brothers getting on.
03:13:38DrewHello, I have a question.
03:13:38arken0493He can tell you what's wrong.
03:13:42arken0493That's him
03:13:54DrewI'm having trouble editing tags on .mp3 files.
03:14:11DrewWhen I plug the device in and then edit tags, Rockbox doesn't recognize that I've done so.
03:14:20DrewEven after updating the database.
03:14:31psycho_maniacthe enter button is not a space bar. meaning you could of typed all that in one line with periods and such.
03:14:33Lloreanre-initialize the database
03:14:42DrewNice macro, psycho.
03:14:44LloreanThe database won't scan for changed tags.
03:14:53LloreanDrew: We have channel guidelines. Read them.
03:15:40LloreanYou want people to spend time to help you with your problem, spend time to show them a little respect and follow the guidelines they put in place. It's a simple formula.
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03:17:17DrewWhat rules have I violated?
03:17:46psycho_maniachttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines
03:18:23DrewI have read that. I fail to see what rules I have violated.
03:18:57psycho_maniaci noticed that "The enter button is not a spacebar" is not on there :S
03:19:17DrewExactly.
03:19:28krazykitthat can fall under spamming the channel.
03:19:56psycho_maniacpasting a large multi-line snippet of text
03:19:57LloreanThe idea is that you should write out full ideas. Scrolling the channel needlessly is frowned upon.
03:20:03DrewAnd for the record, I find long chains of text that aren't line broken incredibly hard to read.
03:20:25LloreanDrew: You can use line breaks. But it's also not necessary to do one every single sentence.
03:21:16DrewI separate my lines by thought pattern; it's just my typing style. I've never been yelled at it before. It's not my intention to spam, so I don't understand why it's so awful.
03:21:54LloreanIf you separate your lines by thought pattern, why did you type three separate lines on one thought, that being "When I edit tags, they don't update in the database"
03:22:20DrewBecause everyone thinks differently.
03:22:25advcomp2019Drew, some channels allow it and other channels do not allow it
03:22:31LloreanThis channel is logged, and it's a LOT easier for those of us who go back through the logs to catch up on development discussion to skip over irrelevant parts if they're on less lines.
03:23:16psycho_maniacthis is just a thought but how would you like it if i typed 100 thoughts each on seperate lines. while others are talking about developing a new plugin or something for rockbox.
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03:23:32LloreanSo if your sentences are short, please double or triple up. Go with "A thought, idea, or topic per line" rather than simply "Hit enter every time I hit period, or might hit period"
03:23:59Lloreanpsycho_maniac: Frankly, you're not helping the point by exaggerating cases.
03:24:16Drew@ adv: I don't understand why that is. @ Llorean: I understand your logic there, and it's for a good reason. @ psycho: No one else was talking.
03:24:19psycho_maniacwell i thought it would help. im sorry
03:24:32LloreanWe have guidelines, but there's no reason not to be polite when asking someone to follow them. He wasn't egregiously violating anything, just showing a lack of awareness of what we consider decent behaviour here.
03:25:25LloreanDrew: We have different requirements from other channels. It makes perfect sense that unlogged channels, logged channels, and channels that focus on development vs channels that focus on support have a vary disparate set of expectations and requirements.
03:25:41DrewI know that spamming is right out, and I don't do that. I didn't realize line breaking was considered spamming here. And you are right, Llorean.
03:26:30LloreanIt's not considered spamming. But it's considered best to type your whole thought / question / etc out. This also makes a conversation much easier to follow. For example, it's less likely someone will respond before you've said all relevant information.
03:28:27DrewI don't see how you figure that, but for the sake of saving your poor log I'll agree to make an effort not to breach the rules again, and we'll get off this subject, and back onto the old one.
03:28:40LloreanDrew: I already answered your question.
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03:29:26DrewYou did, and I followed through with it. But it solved only one issue. The database did reinitialize, but a new problem arose with that.
03:30:07DrewNow the files that I retagged are tagged oddly: instead of the artist being MxPx, it is MxPx/MxPx. I don't know why that is.
03:30:32LloreanHave you verified the tags in another application on your PC?
03:31:10DrewI thought of that; I'm doing that now. Perhaps it is the "Contributing Artist" tag.
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03:32:54DrewOh, and as I was just working in Explorer with the device, it stopped reading all the files again. Very peculiar.
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03:38:20ballCan Rockbox play Ogg/Vorbis files?
03:38:47DrewI'm pretty sure it can.
03:38:56karashatayes
03:40:52ballThanks
03:41:25karashatano problem. if you want a good overview of all the currently supported audio formats, look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=SoundCodecs
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03:42:38DrewI have edited the mp3s in another application, and I'm going to try now.
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03:43:45ballThanks karashata
03:43:52karashatayou're welcome
03:44:31ballhttp://potchery.blogspot.com/
03:45:00ballI posted this before you gave me that link. Now I'm wondering whether to add it.
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03:46:45DrewEverything fixed. Thank you for your time and patience.
03:46:50m4cWhat is the main purpose for the cover flow plugin going to be?
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03:47:56krazykitm4c, for now it seems to be simple eye candy.
03:49:43m4cWhat is it meant to be though?
03:50:01m4cIs it meant to be eye candy?
03:50:11m4cOr is it going to be something more?
03:50:41psycho_maniacits just for looks as of now. who knows what it will turn into
03:50:53karashatam4c: mainly eye candy, though the people working on it would like to make it able to play the album selected from the plugin
03:51:14karashataafaik it's not going to be put into the core or made a default browsing method
03:52:18m4cYes I know
03:53:32crzyboysterdoes anyone have a general idea as to when album art resizing will be commited? or has it even been started to be written right now?
03:53:59LloreanNo general idea.
03:54:13crzyboysteris it being written?
03:54:13LloreanWe don't do ETAs.
03:54:26crzyboysterETAs?
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03:54:34LloreanEstimated Time of Arrival
03:55:30LloreanAs for whether anyone's working on it. Rockbox is a project composed of a lot of individual volunteers. There's no central authority who knows who's working on what.
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03:55:39crzyboysterhmm
03:55:40LloreanSo it's really impossible to answer definitively whether or not anyone's working on it.
03:55:51crzyboystercan i ask on the forums?
03:55:57crzyboysterscratch that
03:56:02crzyboysterbaddd idea
03:56:08LloreanWhy not just start working on it yourself.
03:56:19LloreanIf you want something done, the only way to ensure it gets done is to do it.
03:56:29crzyboysterthat's a good point
03:56:35crzyboystermajor point of rockbox
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04:00:06crzyboysterdoes the pictureflow plugin still have work to do on it and what will the next update include?
04:00:48psycho_maniacupdates are not planned either.
04:01:15psycho_maniacit depends on the person making it
04:01:29crzyboysterthat would be NicoP, correct?
04:01:56krazykitor anyone else contributing code to it.
04:02:40crzyboysterwell, see you all later
04:02:40psycho_maniacso far i think NicoP and Jonas Hurrelmann have worked on it.
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04:05:11psycho_maniacis the mailing list offtopic here?
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04:06:47psycho_maniaci cannt get myself to unsubscribe
04:09:16ballpsycho_maniac: is it a majordomo list?
04:09:46psycho_maniacwhat do you mean?
04:14:56ballpsycho_maniac: what address do you post to?
04:15:19psycho_maniacuhh the rockbox dev mailing list.
04:16:06ballpsycho_maniac: what address do you post to?
04:16:32Lloreanball: how is the address supposed to be indicative?
04:16:59Lloreanif it's not at the domain you expect, it could just as easily be because it's just a relay forwarding it, as it could be being completely independent.
04:19:04psycho_maniaci put my email address in and clicked unsubscribe and it said email fowarded but i never got one. ill get the address in a second .
04:19:44LloreanConsidering it's at haxx.se, it's not a standard mailing list domain.
04:20:27ballLlorean: fair enough, I was just going to try mailing majordomo@ with "help"
04:20:35psycho_maniacrockbox-dev @ cool.haxx.se
04:20:45*ball tries it
04:21:52safetydanball: it's not majordomo it's mailman
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04:23:24psycho_maniaci think i was removed as i cannot log in anymore but i never got the confirming email
04:23:27ballsafetydan: thanks
04:24:02safetydanpsycho_maniac: maybe the response is in your spam folder? Or sometimes these things just take a while.
04:24:32psycho_maniacalready checked. should be spam because i set up a label with anything having to do wirh rockbox. im using gmail.
04:24:43*ball doesn't know how to drive mailman
04:25:16psycho_maniacmaybe it does take awhile. i hope soon :/
04:26:14psycho_maniacI couldnt find it in the manual but what does LCD Power off: do in the debug menu on the gigabeats?
04:26:34LloreanCauses the LCD to turn off when the backlight fades.
04:26:39LloreanIt's glitchy though
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04:31:16countrymonkeyWhich format is the best for books (small, speech-quality)?: wma, mp3, ogg, or wav
04:31:30krazykitcountrymonkey, vorbis or speex
04:31:49Lloreanspeex, almost certainly
04:31:57countrymonkeyYeh right, like I can find a mp32spx converter for windows
04:32:17krazykitwell, transcoding is going to kill your audio quality anyway, you may as well keep them mp3
04:32:54LloreanConverting to speex is easy
04:32:56countrymonkeyI don't care about audio quality since it is all audiobooks. I got a hold of some cds that need to turn into rockboxable files.
04:33:03LloreanGet the speex command line converter and use foobar2000
04:33:16countrymonkeyand do it 1 file at a time?
04:33:22LloreanNo
04:33:34countrymonkeyIs this all free?
04:33:36LloreanYes.
04:33:48countrymonkeyWhere do I get this stuff?
04:33:50LloreanGoogle
04:34:11LloreanNo offense, but these questions no longer have anything to do with Rockbox itself.
04:34:20countrymonkeyAm I looking for a command line thingy or fubar2000?
04:34:39LloreanNotice the use of the word "and" suggesting quite strongly that you're looking for both.
04:34:44LloreanNow, please take off topic questions to another channel
04:34:58psycho_maniacalso for the battery problem. should i totally empty the battery and recharge it? maybe then i can get over 15hours out of it?
04:35:27scorchepsycho_maniac: what is that supposed to do?
04:35:31safetydanpsycho_maniac: li-ion batteries don't tend to like deep discharges
04:35:44scorchenor do they have memory where that would metter
04:35:48scorchematter
04:36:01psycho_maniaci didnt know that thats why i asked
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04:37:19crzyboysterdoes anybody else think that pictureflow needs a better logo (when it starts up)?
04:37:35safetydanthat's probably the least of its problems :)
04:37:50crzyboysteri know, but i hate logos/images like that
04:38:16psycho_maniacthats the logo that came with the original program i think.
04:38:21crzyboysterwouldn't it be EXTREMELY easy to change it to something a bit more flashy looking and then commited next time around?
04:38:34Lloreancrzyboyster: Submit a patch.
04:38:46crzyboysterreally?
04:38:55crzyboysterto pyscho_maniac i mean
04:39:08crzyboysternice idea, llorean
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04:40:00crzyboysterwould the logo have to be made using open source fonts? like arial/trebuchet ms or what?
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04:41:39safetydancrzyboyster: neither of those fonts are opensource, but I don't think that's relevant for logo production
04:41:56ballWould be nice if they were open source though.
04:41:59ball(I think)
04:42:05crzyboysterok, so a patch is going up today (probably)
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04:43:51crzyboysteri managed to find something interesting, though http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8295?histring=pictureflow database integrated with pictureflow?
04:44:50LloreanIt's more 'the beginnings of the framework that could eventually become the integration of pictureflow into the database'
04:45:07crzyboysterstill, it's there!
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04:48:17safetydanI just don't see the appeal of the picture flow for navigation. Is this one of those visual vs textual thinking things?
04:48:35psycho_maniaci think so
04:50:23Lloreansafetydan: There are people who change themes once a day. Or more.
04:50:39LloreanSome people value the shinies over what their player can actually do.
04:51:36ballI have to go.
04:51:39crzyboysterpatch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8297 i have to make the logo now
04:51:42ballThanks for your help though.
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04:51:50crzyboysterthe hard part...
04:52:09crzyboysteri have to go, too.
04:52:09LloreanWhy the heck did you post a task?
04:52:23LloreanYou don't post a "Patch" task without an actual past...
04:52:24Lloreanpatch
04:52:53crzyboystersorry, I'm new to all of this
04:53:00crzyboysterwhat should I have done?
04:53:08LloreanIf the task type is "Patch", then it's expected the task *is* a patch.
04:53:19LloreanIf you're working on it, post the patch when it's done.
04:53:28crzyboystersorry about that!
04:53:30LloreanIf you're requesting someone else do it, it's a "Feature Request" because you're requesting a feature.
04:53:37psycho_maniacif i was you since you seem like good designer post a feature request and then upload some art.
04:53:38crzyboysteri got a bit ahead of myself there
04:54:14psycho_maniacthat one will get rejected pretty fast. 8297
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04:55:03psycho_maniacwhy do people leave right away/ they end up coming back to ask another question
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05:01:55psycho_maniaci dont mind it. i mean i have other things to do then to stare at the logo
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05:03:45mcrlsnGood evening everyone.. Having read the FAQ and Manual.. also having gone through the mailing list archive I am still unable to get .talk files to work. Are they broken in the current build?
05:04:20LloreanWhen did you generate your .talk files, and using what?
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05:04:51mcrlsnI've generated them several times this evening using both lame and speexenc (for mp3 or spx files). neither worked
05:05:37LloreanWell lame ones won't work on anything but the archos targets, and speex ones only work on all the other targets
05:05:50LloreanAs well, you must have the option to use them enabled within rockbox
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05:06:02LloreanAnd they only function within the filetree browser
05:06:23mcrlsnRockbox seems to see the file (it doesn't try to spell those files) but doesn't say anything (ie play the .talk file)
05:07:33mcrlsnThis tells me that I have the settings in Rockbox correct, but possibly have something else wrong. BTW I'm using a Sansa e260.
05:08:21mcrlsnI was curious of there is a specific format the speex files need to be (such as 8bit mono or something)
05:08:23LloreanAre you sure you have the speex encoded .talk files on the player, and not the lame ones?
05:08:38LloreanThe script you use for talk file generation should have sane defaults...
05:09:58mcrlsnI'm checking to make sure the correct files are on the Sansa
05:10:09mcrlsnAnd yes.. they are (just checked with mplayer)
05:10:32LloreanWait, I see you used speexenc
05:10:33LloreanThat won't work
05:10:41LloreanYou need to be using the rockbox tools for generating talk files
05:10:47mcrlsnOh.
05:10:59countrymonkeyWhat is the difference between speexenc and rbspeexenc?
05:11:01Llorean.talk files are a raw speex stream, if I understand correctly
05:11:08LloreanThey are not encapsulated in an ogg container
05:11:24mcrlsnAhhh! that would be my problem. Thank you!
05:12:08countrymonkeyI suppose the ogg container wastes space?
05:12:19LloreanAnd adds unnecessary complexity
05:12:26mcrlsnHmm.. I don't have a windows machine available, so I was unable to figure out how to use the tools
05:12:37LloreanThey can be compiled and used on linux or OSX too
05:12:51Lloreanrbspeexenc is provided as source in the /tools folder of the Rockbox source
05:12:53mcrlsnReally? they looked like VB scripts to me
05:13:07LloreanThe VoiceBox+ script is a VB script, I believe
05:13:10mcrlsnI'll take another look
05:13:14LloreanBut the encoder certainly is not
05:13:33countrymonkeyencoder=no vbscript, voicebox+=vbscript
05:13:55mcrlsnThank you for the help. I'll go do some more digging
05:14:19countrymonkeyIt is in the tools dir of the rockbox source
05:14:51countrymonkeyunder rbspeexenc
05:15:29mcrlsnAgain, thank you. Have a good evening. BTW: I'm really enjoying Rockbox. Good work
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05:27:59uskiwow... i was using rockbox 3-4 years ago on my Archos Recorder... now i just received a Sansa e260 and put rockbox on it... haha
05:28:35uskii'm wondering where i could find the so-called ROMs for pacbox plugin
05:29:06krazykituski, please don't ask about that here. it's not freely redistributable. legally, you'd need to rip the rom from an arcade machine that you own
05:29:16uskii didn't know
05:29:20uskithanks
05:29:25krazykitjust letting you know :-)
05:29:28uskiyea
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05:40:34ShaidI just whacked the latest build on my 5.5g ipod and the backlight doesn't come on when I use the scrollwheel
05:40:37Shaidis this normal?
05:40:56ShaidI haven't updated since 071111 so I don't really know whether it's a new thing or not.
05:41:06LloreanTry resetting your settings
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05:42:52Shaidthat fixed it.
05:43:22Shaidprobably came down to the brightness setting.
05:43:46safetydanyeah there were some changes to the way brightness settings worked
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06:11:24LunarCrisisIs discussion of music-syncing programs considered off-topic in this channel?
06:11:40LunarCrisis(To use with my Rockbox player of course =)
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06:17:08briantumorhow do i force rockbox to refresh the database?
06:17:30alienbiker99setting
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06:17:42briantumor:)
06:18:38briantumorsettings > general settings?
06:18:56briantumorgot it
06:18:58briantumorthanks
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06:27:11uskihmmm... it seems like some folders came with the flag Hidden on my e260, and it seems that rockbox honors this flag and does not show these folders... the problem is that i do not have a windows box to remove that Hidden flag, and i can't find a way to do that on Linux. Any way to do it from Rockbox ?
06:27:26uskii.e. I can't see my "MUSIC" folder and I have to use the database...
06:27:55scorcheuski: the original firmware will just re-apply the flag...either rename your music folder, or change your "show files" option
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06:30:50uskithanks ! :) i'd be nice to have a "Supported (+ hidden folders)" in addition of the "Supported" setting for that menu so that I don't have to display absolutely everything
06:31:00uskithis makes sense because of the original firmware which hides the MUSIC folder
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06:34:24briantumorsame with mine
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06:34:36briantumori have a c250
06:36:15briantumorthe original firmware doesn't seem to set it back as hidden though
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06:46:56uskii'll try to remove that flag just to see what happens. But it'd make more sense to ignore the flag, at least on these folders
06:47:34uski(i'll have to find a windows box first)
06:47:44LloreanWhy not just keep your music in folders the original firmware never hides.
06:47:57LloreanWe shouldn't automatically ignore the flag, because some people might want that folder hidden.
06:48:25uskii'd like to be able to use the original firmware too, and i assume that it won't look for files in other places
06:48:30LloreanWhen Rockbox has its own USB mode, it'll be irrelevant anyway, because you don't need to boot the original firmware for anything, and Rockbox of course won't do things you don't instruct it to.
06:48:35Lloreanuski: faulty assumption
06:48:40uskiok
06:48:42LloreanPeople report that it'll find mp3 audio anywhere on disk
06:48:50uskiok, great
06:49:11uskias for rockbox not having its own USB, is it because the entire USB mass-storage device stack is implemented in software ?
06:49:17LloreanAs well, if you want to use the original firmware for music too, it's your choice then, and hardly our responsibility to create extra hacks relating to the filesystem so that users can use the original firmware and not have to worry about its faults
06:49:21uskii know by experience implementing an USB protocol stack is... a mess :)
06:49:26LloreanYes, it's entirely in software
06:49:32LloreanWe're having problems with bulk transfers still
06:49:58uskiI see you point about not ignoring a filesystem flag, and i tend to agree with it anyway
06:50:44uskiwhat sort of problems ? is there a page about it somewhere on the wiki ?
06:50:50uskii might take a look at it someday
06:50:52LloreanI don't know the details myself.
06:50:58LloreanThere's a task in the Patch Tracker for it
06:51:05LloreanAnd Zagor would have more information when he's around
06:51:14uskiok, ty
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06:52:57uskiis there a way to disable the auto reboot when the USB gets connected ? i'd love to be able to charge the battery while listening to music
06:53:08LloreanHold down the select button while inserting the cable
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06:54:03uskinice, thanks
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07:15:57LunarCrisisCan I make the playlists and music directory appear in the file browser?
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07:29:46jhulstHas anybody had a problem where the fonts and eq directories are marked as read-only under linux? Any solutions?
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07:31:50Lloreanjhulst: c200?
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07:31:58jhulstLlorean: Gigabeat
07:32:17LloreanThen no. I've heard various strange reports about the refurbished c200s from woot, with symptoms similar to that.
07:33:04jhulsthmm, I guess a disk format may be in order then
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08:19:38mrkikoHi all!
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08:42:20mrkikoDoes someone know the iRiver iHP-1xx ?
08:42:56GodEater_just ask your actual question
08:43:58mrkikoIs saying "iHP-1xx" equivalent to "H1xx" ?
08:44:04GodEater_yes
08:44:11mrkikook...
08:44:17mrkikothank you for the reply!
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08:55:49nerochiarohi, does anyone know after how long an old build is removed from the builds page ?
08:56:29nerochiaroactually, i mean removed completely from the download server
08:57:06GodEater_you mean a daily build ?
08:57:23nerochiaroyes, http://www.rockbox.org/daily/source/rockbox-*.tar.bz2
08:57:36LloreanThe daily builds go back one onth
08:57:38Lloreanmonth
08:58:19GodEater_it looks like you're after the source archive there though
08:59:05nerochiaroGodEater_: ah, yes, that's probably what i need
08:59:15GodEater_in which case, why not use svn ?
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08:59:23GodEater_which goes back to forever
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09:00:14nerochiarobecause i used to use a script that wgets a certain version and builds that, and i didn't want to add svn as a dependency to that system
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09:00:34nerochiaroof course if there's no other way, i'll do that
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09:00:52LloreanWhy do you repeatedly get the same version? That's kinda pointless.
09:01:02LloreanIf you've already got that version, keep a clean copy of it somewhere...
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09:01:59nerochiaroLlorean: rebuild on demand, 90% of the time i just use pre-built binaries and i don't need it. but yes, the other option is to keep my own copy of the version i need somewhere
09:02:25LloreanIf you're getting the exact same version, why do you ever need to rebuild?
09:03:00nerochiarobecause i need to create and add a new patch to it, for example
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09:03:17LloreanWell then why do you need a specific ancient build?
09:03:33GodEater_because the patch hasn't been sync'd I guess
09:03:34nerochiarobecause i know it works and my patches work with it
09:03:48LloreanThen yeah, your only good option is to keep your own clean copy of the source
09:03:58LloreanThat way you don't have to waste bandwidth either
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09:06:07nerochiaroLlorean: as i said, it almost never happens, but i'll do that
09:07:31*Llorean can't imagine using an outdated build in preference to updating a patch.
09:07:40LloreanThen again, there aren't any patches that even interest me enough to use rightn ow
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09:14:02GodEater_http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/10/colossal-mp3-player-stays-true-to-its-name/ <−− when we porting to this ? :)
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09:15:04LloreanAnd a whole 256 MB!
09:15:10GodEater_yeah - masses!
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09:54:11CasainhoBagder: Hello! are you there?
09:54:27GodEater_he's still marked away Casainho
09:54:49Casainhoah, okok - I am trying to talk with him.
09:55:07CasainhoGodEater, where can I read information, guideline about Twiki?
09:56:21GodEater_you mean for editing it ?
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10:01:17Casainhowell, I did edit an put a page with a category
10:01:26Casainhoat It apeared at principal page
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10:01:45CasainhoBadger removed the category and page is not now listed in anywhere
10:02:01CasainhoI would like to know where should I list the page....
10:02:01GodEater_then I guess he did it for a good reason
10:02:16LloreanWhat was the category?
10:02:21Casainhoyes, I would like to know where should I list the page
10:02:30LloreanAnd in fact what was the page?
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10:02:55CasainhoCategoryFrontpage: Tower of Rockbox Gallery Page [Misc]
10:03:04CasainhoRockBoxPlayer page
10:03:31Casainhonot that Tower RB gallery - just FrontPage category :-)
10:04:16LloreanWell, first off, the b in Rockbox isn't capitalized.
10:04:58LloreanSecondly, it probably doesn't need to be listed on the front page as it may even be debatable as to whether it belongs in the wiki
10:05:06LloreanRockbox is a software project.
10:05:34LloreanA hardware design project is probably far enough from it that it may be better suited to its own site, since among other things it would pollute searching of the wiki.
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10:09:03Casainhowell, I asked
10:09:31Casainhoto people at here IRC channel If I could write a Twiki page for this project
10:09:43Casainhosince It's hardware for Rb
10:09:52markunI personally think it's no problem
10:09:59CasainhoTWiki also have pages for hardware!
10:10:03LloreanI'm just stating why it might have been removed.
10:10:22LloreanCasainho: Please try not to split your sentences across lines.
10:10:32Casainhowell, I would like to know where should that page be listed...
10:10:37Casainhocan someone sugest?
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10:11:52ZagorCasainho: it doesn't have to be listed anywhere to be valuable. it will always be listed in the index page and you can list it from your username page if you want extra links
10:12:01Zagorgoogle will find it
10:12:37Zagorthe front page is special, we try not to clutter it. I think that is why Bagder removed it.
10:13:14markunCasainho: if you want you can make a HardwareProjects page and also link to the projects we have allready
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10:15:36LloreanCasainho: Have you read the forum guidelines?
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10:41:33Bagderyeah, that's why I removed it
10:41:48Bagderand I removed the korean page too from it yday
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10:42:49pickerHello. There are a couple of typos in pictureflow.c. "Could allocate temporary buffers": 'not' is missing
10:43:15picker"Could note free temporary buffers": it should read "not", not "note"
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10:45:58pradinpicker: Why don't you submit a patch?
10:48:08pickerpradin: not worth the effort IMHO. Either a developer with commit rights picks this up or it can remain as it is. Not a critical issue.
10:49:29CasainhoLlorean: no. sorry
10:50:27rasherpicker: fixed
10:50:55Casainhomarkun: HardwareProjects seems ok!
10:51:09Casainhowhat hardware projects are in RB?
10:51:15Casainhojust RBplayer, right?
10:51:32Bagderthere have been numerous over the years
10:51:36rasherCasainho: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Hardware
10:51:58rasherIn fact, I'd say that's where your page belongs as well
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10:53:24Casainhoehehe - someone puted that page already there!! :-) :-)
10:53:30Casainhonice :-)
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11:02:12markunCasainho: yes, I'm working on it
11:02:42Casainhomarkun: thank you ;-)
11:05:06markunCasainho: just 2 projects so far :) Did you find some more?
11:05:35Casainho?? what 2 projects? send me links please
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11:06:55markunCasainho: 3 now
11:07:01markunthey are in the wiki
11:08:52LloreanCasainho: Why did you start a new thread when you already had a thread?
11:10:07Casainhobecause I wanted a specific thread for this project! other is not specific. IMO
11:11:09Bagderit was
11:11:14LloreanI've merged them
11:11:17Bagdernow there's two and thus more confusion than less
11:11:41Bagderand now there's one ;-)
11:11:49LloreanAs nobody was actually working on anything, it was all entirely discussion. If you start actually making yours, and someone starts making separate hardware, they can start a second thread.
11:13:32CasainhoThank you Llorean, I didn't know that could be merged :-)
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11:14:00BagderCasainho: so you're leaning towards the AVR32 based one?
11:14:12uskii'd like to download the source code of the Sansa e200 port, but i can't find a way to do so; i expect i have to do some SVN checkout; any clue ?
11:15:04Bagderuski: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN
11:15:14Bagderor you can download a tarball
11:15:24CasainhoBagder: I and scharkalvin are the ones that want to make the project(until now), and both of us like the AVR32
11:15:34uskity Badget; wow, at least a nickname i recognize :D (i was spending lots of time here a few ... years ago, back to the Archos Recorder era)
11:15:36Casainhoalso because of the dev board
11:17:11Casainhofor me, the important is free/open dev tools and a good board to start, as future continuity of that microcontroler and others ICS
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11:17:39Bagderand btw, my experience tells me the final product _never_ looks exactly like the dev board
11:17:55uskii'm not sure Atmel is known to offer long availability of their chips; they keep rotating their AVR microcontrollers
11:18:01CasainhoBagder: so, what you advice?
11:18:13BagderI'm sure they rotate their products about as fast as all others
11:18:35uskiyea but for instance microchip still provides the 16C54 which is one of the very first IC they offered
11:18:40BagderCasainho: nothing, just mentioning it since I got the impression you were planning to use the exact design from the board
11:18:45uski(i'm not a microchip fan it's just an example)
11:18:54uskia big problem with atmel is that they do not manufacture themselves their ICs
11:19:07Bagderyeah, I know the big fpga guys tend to claim to provide very old stuff too
11:19:15uskithis creates a need for them to stop producing ICs which are not sold well
11:19:22Bagderbut I don't know of any serious SoC manufacturers that do
11:19:32Bagderand I don't think it is a real issue for this project anyway
11:19:37uskimicrochip have their own production facilities, so they don't mind just running a new batch of old ICs just to have them in stock
11:19:39uskiyea
11:19:56uskii was just pointing that out, and as you say the final project never looks like the dev HW so..
11:20:03Bagderyeah
11:20:18markunBagder: too bad that fpga's are not power efficient enough, would be fun to use a open-cores based DAP :)
11:20:23Bagderthe involved people need to be prepared to phase out hw as they go end of life
11:20:38phri think 16c54 etc. are designed into industrial devices, mil, medical, etc. that would have to be requalified if anything changed, so there's requirements to keep the old parts available. nobody cares if last year's mp3 soc is still around
11:21:10Bagderheck, in one of my recent projects the SDRAM circuit went out of life before the product even reached the first customer
11:21:37LloreanOuch
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11:22:10Bagderand I've been in many projects where the guys "just take the dev board design"
11:22:19Bagderand then we sit for months to get the first pcb running
11:22:47Bagderand then I speak of full-time months...
11:23:25Bagderhw guys are just like us sw guys, confident that it is easy to get things right :-)
11:23:34Zagorheck, how else would rockbox ever develop? :)
11:23:48peturhmmm here at work we never do this, always own prototype and get sw running on it ;)
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11:24:23Bagderpetur: right, but how functional is the first (ever) pcb manufactured of a product?
11:25:40Bagderpossibly I'm involved in first-generation products made by small companies a bit more often than the average guy
11:25:48peturMost of the time the second prototype is ok
11:27:01peturtoo bad most hw devs here already have spare time projects (most in domotica), I should bug them about creating an mp3 player :)
11:27:29uskiphr: i totally agree with you that noone cares about the future availability of some MP3 player chip; the point of my remark was to show that saying that the AVR32 is a good choice for future availability is not correct; i never said it matters for that application
11:27:35uskidamn on what sort of projects are you all working
11:27:48uskiusually it works correctly on the first PCB where i've worked
11:28:56*petur is working on big telecom cards with PQI or PQII processors...
11:29:08phri think the avr32 will stay around for a while, maybe not in some particular soc, but in one form or another, so it's worth targeting code to
11:29:30Bagderlunch!
11:29:35uskipetur: i see :)
11:30:03uskiwhere do i change the FM region setting on my sansa e200...
11:30:03Zagormy experience is similar to Bagders'. with the addition that it's not rare that the chips used contain bugs that we painstakingly find and report to the manufacturer...
11:30:05uskican't find it
11:30:11uskiOH YES
11:30:21Zagorbleeding edge sucks :)
11:30:26peturZagor: very true!
11:30:35uskii did a quick hack^H^H^Hproject with a PIC24 from microchip
11:30:37uskibuggy as hell
11:30:56peturI have very frequent interaction with Maxim support (which is very good)
11:31:03uskithey actually designed these chips for JTAG programming/debugging, hence the J in their full names (PIC24HJ128GP306) for me
11:31:10uskiin their errata you can read:
11:31:12uskiModule: JTAG
11:31:15uskiProblem: it doesn't work
11:31:17uskiWork around: none
11:31:21peturlol
11:31:22GodEater_hahah
11:31:24uskipretty funny if you ask me
11:31:36uskihow can they release a chip like that
11:31:55uskialso we had some issue with the SPI and it was veeery suspicious
11:32:03Zagorlunch
11:32:22uskii wanted to send 9bits stuff to a LCD display, so i just disable the SPI, send one bit manually, and reenable the SPI... doesn't work
11:32:29*petur gets hungry but has to wait another hour :(
11:32:31uskiseems like you can't use the SPI for some time after you activate it
11:32:49uskiand this wasn't in the errata
11:33:17uskii HATE these new ICs
11:33:28uskiespecially when i'm the tester :)
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11:44:30CasainhoAVR32, maybe 6 years of life?
11:48:19amiconnmarkun: The 8MB mod for archoses and the backlight mod for Ondios are 2 more hardware projects
11:49:38amiconnOh, and the alarm mod for recorder v1
11:49:57LloreanAre RTC mode for H100 and CompactFlash drives in various players already there?
11:50:47Lloreanmod
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11:54:07pixelmaI think there is a wiki page for a cf mode on Mini
11:54:12pixelma*mod
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11:55:40*petur is going to convert his h320 into an h308 or h316 using a CF crad :)
11:55:45petur*card
11:55:56Lloreanpetur: I'm considering that for my H120
11:56:10uskiamiconn: by alarm mod, do you mean the mod consisting of connecting the alarm output of the RTC to the ON button ?
11:56:27peturthe adapter is oreder, looking for a CF card right now
11:56:31uskithere was also a mod consisting of replacing the SST39VF020 by a SST39VF040 i think
11:56:39*petur goes to typing class
11:56:58Lloreanpetur: Does CF go up to 32/64?
11:57:20peturhave not seen anything above 32GB and way too expensive
11:57:25LloreanAaah
11:57:35peturup to 16GB the price is reasonable
11:57:38LloreanGotcha
11:57:45LloreanWell, it's planned for when the HD finally gives up
11:57:47LloreanSo there's time
11:58:08peturI'm probably going 8GB and upgrade when 16/32/62 is affordable
11:58:46petur*64
11:59:16LloreanBasically I just want to do everything I can to increase the odds of my H1xx living forever
11:59:42uskiLlorean, you should start thinking about buying 1 or 2 off ebays so that you have parts if you break something
11:59:47uskithey should be cheap now shouldn't they ?
11:59:48peturguess why I now have two h300's ;)
11:59:52uski^^
11:59:59Lloreanuski: They really aren't as cheap as you'd hope
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12:00:04uskiok
12:00:15Lloreanthe h100 series is an incredible recording device with Rockbox.
12:00:29LloreanI need to watch for already broken ones.
12:01:14pixelmauski last I looked (about half a year ago though) they weren't cheap - H140 went for 200 and a bit above when in working condition
12:01:15peturLlorean: do you monitor MR? There are some sales there some times
12:01:45uskiMR ?
12:01:49Lloreanpetur: I haven't been to MR in a long time. It's a good idea though
12:02:03LloreanI eventually just stopped being able to read Rockbox related posts there.
12:03:22joey1Hi there. could someone with the rights allow me to upload my version of the default theme to the wiki for the iriver h10 5&6GB pretty please
12:04:06pixelmawhat's your wiki name?
12:04:33joey1um, JosephChesterton
12:05:53pixelmayou should be able to edit pages now
12:06:53joey1thanks!
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12:10:34amiconnuski: yes
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12:26:22roolkuhm, when I use the pictureflow for a while I reproducably get a Data Abort at 0007c6bc which according to my map file seems to be in memcpy? http://pastebin.ca/811948 Any idea what could be causing that? Something like a wrong pointer perhaps?
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12:27:53GodEater_http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=305006#Post305006
12:28:38LloreanAh yes, we have a long standing habit of asking people to violate NDAs, surely. Wonderful.
12:28:43*Bagder can't figure out how to use rbutil...
12:28:56LloreanI haven't used it yet either.
12:29:11mrkikoBagder: follow the manual way - it works
12:29:13BagderI wanted to just replace my bootloader but...
12:29:30Bagderthe manual doesn't describe for example "select your device in the file system"
12:29:46Bagderand neither why the audio player list got blank all of a sudden
12:29:59Bagderso I can't select my type anymore and then the install procedure goes nuts
12:30:27Bagderah
12:30:35Bagderthe autodetect worked!
12:30:44Bagdernow the download fails...
12:31:13Zagorwhat a bag of ...
12:31:14Bagderdownload error: received HTTP error -328392559
12:31:19LloreanI'd love an all purpose command-line installer to parallel RBUtil. "rbtool -bootloader -build -target=NANO /media/IPOD"
12:31:38Bagderthis "in file system" is not really clear
12:31:45Bagderit wants the device name
12:31:51LloreanIt shouldn't
12:31:56LloreanIt should want the mount point
12:32:05Bagderfor bootloader it needs the device
12:32:16LloreanYeah, but for the bootloader you shouldn't be locating it in the file system.
12:32:45Bagderhehe, that http error number looks totally random
12:32:49BagderI get a new one every time
12:32:58LloreanAt least, that's what I thought the reasoning behind the "in the file system" was, that we avoided "mount point" on the basis that some of the shinier modern distros are so friendly about automounting that people might not actually know what was meant by mount point.
12:33:34Bagder"Object::connect: No such signal HttpGet::downloadDone(int,bool)" in the console doesn't look really smooth either
12:34:03LloreanAre you using the most recent binary from the download. server or building yourself?
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12:34:17Bagderthe download one
12:35:27LloreanI think the download version may have broken auto-detect at least. I *think* I heard that
12:35:30Bagdersansapatcher "just works"
12:36:16Bagderwell, I got output in my terminal saying
12:36:23Bagder"[INFO] e200 found - /dev/sdc"
12:36:33Bagderwhich is entirely correct
12:37:42LloreanYeah
12:37:44Bagdernow I skipped the bootloader part and it worked
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12:37:52LloreanSansapatcher and Ipodpatcher both work rather well
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12:38:04LloreanBut the same code in the Utility don't, and I thought that was fixed in SVN
12:38:12*Llorean hasn't played with RBUtil nearly at all
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12:41:25*mrkiko will never do it, aniway
12:41:41BagderI just felt like trying it out ;-)
12:41:47Bagderit was my first
12:42:59LloreanIt'll be nice when it works reliably
12:43:32Bagderindeed, it is the way forward
12:43:48LloreanThough as I said, I'd like a CLI option.
12:43:57BagderI agree completely
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12:57:03*Bagder volunteers!
12:57:06Bagder:-)
12:57:23mrkiko:) thank you so much ! :)
12:58:43supyoure welcome
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13:19:19markunCan anyone make sense of the link in here? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13600.msg107226#msg107226
13:21:24BagderI guess he means that due to that flac playback test did fine, people will like flac better
13:21:49BagderI would say that's just another test to add to the pile
13:21:51markunmaybe my browser is acting weird because I didn't see a flac playback test
13:22:08Bagderhttp://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=33226&st=175&p=316496&#
13:22:17Bagdercontains a playback test with several lossless codecs
13:22:23Bagderwith his modified files
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13:23:13markunwow, looks very very different in IE compared to FF. Maybe something else I'm doing wrong.
13:23:32Bagderthe test is of course not very telling since its hard to tell if it is the format or the actual implementation of the codec that is bad
13:23:46BagderI would guess the latter in most cases
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14:08:32jac0b-workdo I need to do anything special to compile on kubuntu
14:09:05LinusNjac0b-work: well, you need to install the compiler(s)
14:09:22jac0b-workyeah the rockbox.sh
14:09:33jac0b-workthat does it all right
14:09:45GodEater_and install build-essential too
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14:09:51GodEater_otherwise you won't have make/perl etc
14:09:59LinusNthen you need to setup the path variable
14:10:15GodEater_that's after running rockboxdev.sh
14:10:23GodEater_although I guess it doesn't hurt to do it first :)
14:10:48jac0b-workso install build-essential then do the rockbox.sh
14:13:37GodEater_rockboxdev.sh
14:13:45GodEater_I don't believe there's anything called rockbox.sh
14:14:09jac0b-workoh okay
14:14:15jac0b-workone more thing
14:15:20jac0b-worksay I make the PATH permanent if I go to build a program will it use that PATH also
14:16:34GodEater_everything uses the PATH
14:16:54GodEater_but if you mean "will trying to build a program for my PC" use the rockbox compilers, then the answer is no
14:17:13GodEater_they don't replace the system gcc
14:17:18jac0b-workyeah that it
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14:17:50jac0b-workbut doesn't the rockboxdev.sh don't and build another gcc
14:18:20jac0b-workbut doesn't the rockboxdev.sh d/l and build another gcc*
14:18:33jac0b-workon top of the existing gcc
14:18:37LloreanNo
14:18:53GodEater_it builds different compilers, with different names
14:18:53LloreanIt builds arm-elf-gcc and sh-elf-gcc and m68k-elf-gcc depending on which you pick
14:19:44jac0b-workoh okay so it just adds to the existing gcc
14:20:05GodEater_well - the new gcc files have nothing to do with the existing one
14:21:03jac0b-workwhere does the new gcc files go?
14:21:31GodEater_/usr/local unless you specify elsewhere
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14:22:16jac0b-workbut the rockboxdev.sh will do all that right?
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14:22:25GodEater_yes
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14:23:02krazykitjac0b-work, you may need to manually edit your $PATH though
14:23:22jac0b-workI am asking all this b/c I have switched to linux fully
14:23:45jac0b-workkrazykit: yeah I know thanks
14:23:51webguest69My CD has a 7-second gap between songs that I want to use rockbox features to remove. Which ones do I use and what do I do? Maybe not remove the gap from the file, but just not play that part of the file.
14:24:15GodEater_If the CD has the gap, there's little Rockbox can do about it
14:24:30jac0b-workcan't he do a crossfade
14:24:53jac0b-workto the next track
14:25:02GodEater_that's not the same as not playing the gap
14:25:06webguest69I would imagine crossfade could do it but I know very little about that stuff coming from ipod-os land. Just what settings would I use?
14:25:09jac0b-worktrue
14:25:26webguest69There
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14:25:33GodEater_also 7 seconds is a long crossfade time
14:26:02webguest69I got this from the itunes music store, so...
14:26:04jac0b-workwebguest69: do you really want to keep that big of a gap on the beginning of your track?
14:26:16GodEater_webguest69: I thought you said it was from a CD ?
14:26:18webguest69I hate it.
14:26:42GodEater_I'd just use an audio editor to remove it
14:26:48webguest69It is. It was the only way I could get rb to play it. I burned it and ripped it again.
14:26:57GodEater_ah I see
14:27:08GodEater_well I'd still use an audio editor on it
14:27:14webguest69Anyway, what would the crossfade settings be?
14:27:18GodEater_that's a better idea than trying to cross fade such a large gap
14:27:23GodEater_webguest69: they're detailed in the manual
14:27:29GodEater_which you're supposed to read
14:28:01webguest69I have already checked there but I cannot figure out which setings need to be where
14:28:34GodEater_what was hard to understand about the crossfade section ?
14:28:37GodEater_maybe we can improve it
14:29:08LloreanGodEater_: The crossfade function options themselves are kinda bad.
14:29:10webguest69I know what the settings do, but it was difficult to figure it out. I don't know. Does the fade out delay need to be 0 and the fadeout duration 7 or are those the fade in settings or what
14:29:35LloreanThere's one more option than necessary, I think
14:30:24GodEater_really ?
14:30:35GodEater_they seem ok to me
14:30:36jac0b-workwebguest69: what player are you using
14:30:53webguest69No. Where do the fade in duration, fade in delay, fade out duration and fade out delay settings need to be? ipod4g
14:32:05LloreanGodEater_: Couldn't Fade In/Out Delay/Duration be replaced with "How many seconds of the ending song to use" "How many seconds of the new song to use" and "Total time spent crossfading"?
14:32:19LloreanWith of course shorter names
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14:32:50webguest69What I think is, "ending song cut" "next song cut" and "crossfade duration".
14:33:20GodEater_perhaps so
14:33:25ed2hello every1. Anyone knows something about the M:robe 500i port status ?
14:33:32GodEater_in any event, I still think it's the wrong way to remove this gap
14:33:48LloreanIt's absolutely the wrong way to remove the gap
14:33:55jac0b-workwebguest69: Fade In Delay. I would set maybe at 8 seconds
14:33:57Lloreaned2: The code as far as it is, is in SVN.
14:34:21webguest69How about the other 3?
14:34:50jac0b-work Fade In Duration. Fade Out Delay. maybe both at 0
14:34:51ed2Llorean do you know something about playing video ?
14:35:31jac0b-workFade Out Duration. maybe 7
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14:36:21webguest69thanks.
14:36:48Lloreaned2: If you're asking about playing video on the m:robe 500 port, THAT PORT IS NOT SUPPORTED. It's not listed on the front page of the site, and things don't work yet. Many things.
14:37:17jac0b-workwebguest69: or maybe try the Fade In & Out both at 7 seconds
14:37:38webguest69You mean delay or duration
14:38:04jac0b-workyeah
14:38:14webguest69which one?
14:38:16ed2Llorean k thanks man i hope it gets availlable soon
14:38:49jac0b-workwebguest69: or maybe try the Fade In Delay & Out Duration both at 7 seconds
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14:39:37LloreanMy suggestion would just be to use Audacity to cut out the silence, and be done with it.
14:39:42webguest69thanks
14:40:05webguest69Problem... there are 11 tracks
14:40:08LloreanI can't imagine that crossfade sounding particularly good on any songs that aren't horribly crippled by strange silence.
14:40:21jac0b-workthats true
14:40:24Lloreanwebguest69: 11 is not a large number.
14:40:38jac0b-workif it was me I would just edit out the silence
14:40:49LloreanWith how long you've been in here, you probably could've done all 11. :)
14:41:07webguest69Another thing... I don't have audasity
14:41:20jac0b-workits free just google it
14:41:41webguest69Thanks.
14:42:10jac0b-workyou might want to get the mp3 plugin also if you want to export as a mp3
14:42:32webguest69Oh. I am not sure my computer can handle audasity. I am running a 1.2. This sound editor looks power-hungry to me.
14:42:47jac0b-work1.2Ghz
14:42:54freqmod_nxdoes anybody know why rockbox on sansa sometimes takes half a minutte to enter a folder in the menu, and then works fast before and afterwards?
14:43:21webguest69How many files are in the folder?
14:43:32freqmod_nxless than 20
14:43:56jac0b-workwebguest69: 1.2Ghz
14:44:01webguest69Oh... I have this problem but only on a folder with 4700 files.
14:44:14webguest69I understand. yes.
14:44:36jac0b-workaudacity should be fine for you
14:45:06webguest69All right. GOt to do my workout. (P.S. Rockbox is a good workout companion)
14:45:26Crash91freqmod_nx: were you listening to music at the time? It is possible that the music is loacted in a directory with many other files, which would probably slow the browser down
14:45:34freqmod_nxno
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14:45:59*freqmod_nx tries to reproduce more
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14:48:17Crash91freqmod_nx: eh...the phrasing was suggestive....
14:48:35freqmod_nx*reproduce the bug
14:49:52freqmod_nxhmm seems that i have to wait in the directory for a bit before i change to another
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14:51:34freqmod_nxyupp, start the sansa, select file view, wait for 5-10 sek and select a folder
14:52:28freqmod_nxthe first time the entering of the folder took a while, the secound when i exited from the folder i had entered
14:52:41freqmod_nx(5-10 sec= until the screen turns off)
14:52:50jac0b-workthanks for the help everyone
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14:53:41*freqmod_nx tries with default settings
14:56:23sandsmarkcaching?
14:56:45freqmod_nxthe "bug" has dissapeared
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15:05:44preglowjhMikeS: is this related to talk clip bugs?
15:05:55preglowlooks like no
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15:08:41LinusNpreglow: no, it is related to my problems with getting the flanger plugin work on the x5
15:09:00preglowahh, i was planning on having a look at that today :>
15:09:08LinusNworks fine on the h100 :-)
15:09:24preglowperhaps it's time to expand that plugin a bit
15:09:34Crash91does rockbox automatically scale AA or doe sit crop it?
15:09:36*LinusN imagines effectpedal.rock
15:09:44preglowwould be cool with a couple of more effects and possibility to cascade them
15:10:19LinusNzoombox
15:10:25LinusN:-)
15:10:26preglowhaha
15:10:40preglowi think "stompbox" would be perfect :P
15:10:47LinusN"rockbox" :-P
15:10:53preglowahahah
15:10:53preglowyeah
15:11:13preglowbut no, a delay begs to be made, the flanger pretty much has all the needed code
15:11:19preglowautowah would be a no-brainer
15:11:30preglowsome nice distortion
15:11:43LinusNwould be awesome
15:11:44preglowreverb, of course
15:11:50LinusNnaturally
15:11:54*GodEater_ thinks we should change the .rock extension to .pebble
15:12:02preglowLinusN: could you post that flanger source some place now?
15:12:10LinusNsure, hang on
15:13:12Crash91GodEater_: does that mean we'll be using pebblebox in the future?
15:13:35Bagderin the forum, blackhawk is mentioned as "posts: 1" even though we can read at least 5 of them in the motorola ezx thread...
15:14:17Crash91Badger: then what do you suggest/
15:14:37Bagder?
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15:15:25Crash91oh nvm....i so badly wanna listen to the razor's edge by ACDC....
15:15:33BagderI'm just saying that quite clearly the posts counter is wrong
15:15:51jhMikeSpreglow: that final queue_post would make voice stop the pcm so the NULL just makes things wait until all async messages have been processed first
15:15:58Crash91but where do i get it lol? there are no good music shops near me and i probably think virgin megastore wont have em
15:17:52BagderI don't understand what you're talking about or how it is rockbox-related
15:18:17Crash91well yes, it should be in -community and anyway...i want to get my handson that album
15:18:37LloreanCrash91: If you admit it should be there, why do you go on about it here?
15:18:50markunBagder: I believe that Llorian mentioned yesterday that posts in Unsupported Builds don't count
15:18:59Crash91Llorean: sorry
15:19:04markunLlorean of course..
15:19:33LloreanBagder: True, "unsupported builds" post counts don't count. I seem to recall I had a reasoning for that at some point.
15:19:42Bagderaha
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15:41:11LloreanLinusN: It's not a bug, at least the function still works on mine. I suspect he's not doing a long press.
15:41:44preglowwhy wouldn't unsupported builds posts count?
15:41:51preglowsounds kind of silly
15:43:01Lloreanpreglow: When I first did that, there were little builtin stars for post counts
15:43:49LloreanAnd I was worried that people who constantly posted and discussed unsupported builds would then have like, 500 posts, and then try to provide an answer in the main section, and have more "weight" with the reader over someone with 40 posts, just because of their largely irrelevant count
15:43:54LinusNLlorean: you mean that there is a separate "settings" button on the sansa?
15:44:01LloreanLinusN: No.
15:44:16LloreanLinusN: The button that goes to the Root menu now used to go to the Context menu on a short press
15:44:34LinusNaha
15:44:42preglowLlorean: unsupported builds are still rockbox builds, i hardly think their answers would be irrelevant
15:44:45LloreanI think he's pressing it, getting the main menu, and not realizing we're telling him it's now on a different button, Long Select instead of "Down" (or "Menu" depending on what you want to call it)
15:44:58LinusNprobably
15:45:09preglowhow do plugin categories work? i can't find any file that decides where stuff goes
15:45:10Lloreanpreglow: Most of the time they aren't, but you do get a decent amount of people telling people to use a menu option that doesn't exist.
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15:45:23LinusNpreglow: apps/plugins/CATEGORIES
15:45:36LloreanI could remove the post count restriction now, I suppose. But I also don't consider the "Unsupported Builds" section really a part of our forums.
15:45:41preglowcool
15:45:46LloreanIf I could I'd remove it from the default search, too.
15:45:57LloreanNot disable searching entirely, but require a user to explicitly add it to a search
15:46:06preglowok by as, long as it's clear it's not included
15:46:10preglowwe don't want to be counter-intuitive
15:46:17preglows/as/me/ ...
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15:46:40Lloreanpreglow: Yeah, I'd make it clear.
15:46:52LloreanBut I don't have a good way to do it yet.
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15:48:36*jhMikeS is glad someone will finally put the full-duplex/pcm recording APIs to use outside the core :)
15:48:56preglowi've put them to use for over a year, now, just not publicly :>
15:49:19jhMikeShaha...I'll qualify that with "publicly" then :)
15:49:27DefineByteI've been away for a while so I might have missed this but has anything happened to the wps code or fonts that would make a wps that used to display properly before now run off the screen by one line at the bottom?
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15:51:54LloreanDefineByte: Status Bar on/off?
15:52:00preglowbah
15:52:06preglowlots of stuff needs to be implemented for it to be usable
15:52:56LinusNyes, like source selection and gain control
15:53:00DefineBytethe status bar was always there
15:53:13preglowLinusN: yeah, and parameter control of the flanger
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15:53:22LinusNpreglow: of course
15:53:24preglowand a way to chain effects
15:53:35preglowi hate all that gui work :/
15:54:24jhMikeSpreglow: thought you made a menu for it right after implementing it.
15:54:34DefineBytesomething must be bigger I guess, whether it's the font or the progress bar, I don't know
15:55:46preglowjhMikeS: nah, did that for phono.c, though
15:55:48preglowshould just rip that code
15:57:13jhMikeSspeaking of phono.c, I had crappy recording from line-in on H120 (tinny) but hooking it to the speaker out in stead of line-out fixed it. (big wtf).
15:58:13preglowsounds the same here
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15:59:20DefineByteon another topic, can anything be done about the rather loud pop when rockbox starts on the iPod Video? Anyone else get that?
15:59:24*preglow turns up the feedback
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16:00:00DefineByte\this is through the headphone out
16:00:12*freqmod_nx gets that too AFAIK
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16:00:24jhMikeSDefineByte: if the the delayed audio postinit is implemented it probably won't pop
16:00:56*jhMikeS notices too much code is cut and pasted from one WM driver to another usually.
16:00:58DefineByteis that a big 'if'? :D
16:01:34markunjhMikeS: going to integrate them?
16:02:10freqmod_nxs/AFAIK/IIRC/
16:02:20jhMikeSmarkun: I was rather thinking the opposite. The ones without recording capability can also be much simpler.
16:04:39jhMikeSWM8721 should be cut down and use the same procedures as WM8731 but without shadow reg use (like WM8751). The gigabeat driver is trivial but WM8751 and WM8721 are hardly alike.
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16:07:46preglowi wonder why this plug has no dry output, it should have 50%
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16:08:39preglowrighty
16:08:44preglowthe latency was so low i didn't hear it...
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16:19:53preglownothing like a subtle echo to liven up my computer user experience
16:23:19jhMikeSdepends on what gets echoed back ;)
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16:25:46preglowdo SOUND_LEFT_GAIN and SOUND_RIGHT_GAIN describe line in recording volume?
16:26:24jhMikeSmy officially sanctioned resync :p http://www.pastebin.ca/812138
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16:26:40jhMikeSpreglow: I believe so
16:27:12preglowdescriptive names, then
16:27:59jhMikeSbeh...SOUND_XXX_GAIN should perhaps be named after audio sources
16:28:04DefineBytein the sim, when I change the repeat type from 'All' to 'Off' the next track info (title, artist) is still there. A conditional checking the next filename does work though. Is this somwthing to do with the new metadata on buffer stuff?
16:28:22preglowjhMikeS: what's new here?
16:29:18DefineByte\this is regarding the wps again
16:29:19jhMikeSsome threading junk, up to date use of names. just a resync to conform to the latest APIs.
16:29:34preglowok, will sync it
16:30:07preglowgot a menu going now
16:30:11preglowadding flanger params
16:31:22*jhMikeS supposes any effects thread should run on COP too :)
16:31:24preglowwhy ssize_t ?
16:31:35preglowi don't have any pp targets i can test shit like that on
16:31:36preglowthat is, no recording
16:32:51jhMikeSDuplex is not really implemented on PP but should be doable without much trouble. Haven't had the urge to bother myself yet.
16:33:05preglowjhMikeS: when a thread function exits, the thread gets removed?
16:33:16jhMikeSyep
16:33:35jhMikeSwhich makes it signaled so that thread_wait doesn't block
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16:34:56jhMikeSit does little more than remove_thread(NULL) in the core. remove_thread(NULL) would be just the same but letting the kernel do it for you lets you return from arbitrary places in the routine wihtout worrying about it.
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16:37:05przemhbcould someone be so kind and take a look on FS #8205 - a very simple patch correcting a translation that does not make sense in polish.lang file?
16:38:43przemhbthe patch waits on a tracker quite a long time...
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16:39:34markunprzemhb: I'll commit it
16:39:42przemhbthank you
16:41:19przemhbpreviously polish translation of "Alarm's wake-up screen" was sth like "Alarm's picture" which is obviously incorrect
16:43:26preglowahah, i need to make this thing reset the idle timer too
16:43:44markunprzemhb: done
16:44:14przemhbmarkun: thanks a lot!
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16:46:19BoD[]Hello, world!
16:47:04preglowjhMikeS: sound_set doesn't seem to work too golden with line in
16:47:28DefineByteis no-one else seeing this issue?
16:47:48BoD[]I have a question... Is there a log file or something, that could allow an external program (running on the computer where my ipod is attached) to know that I played a certain file?
16:48:05jhMikeSDefineByte: Haven't noticed personally
16:48:18preglowjhMikeS: sound_get_fn doesn't even have a case for any recording gains....
16:49:14jhMikeSpreglow: I think I tried to address that once but some real work needed doing in the sound code
16:49:31preglowok, i'll just change back to the old gain setting functions, thebn
16:49:55peturBoD[]: check out Last.fm support
16:49:57jhMikeSuse audio_set_recording_gain which I think is a hack around the problem
16:49:59DefineByteokay, i'll check on my iPod and report if i find anything
16:50:06scorche|wBoD[]: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog
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16:51:29BoD[]petur, scorche|w: thanks a lot
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16:52:34BoD[]according to this page http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging I would have artist and track names, but not the file location?
16:53:31przemhbjhMikeS, preglow: as I have found out H10's OF uses 12dB gain for tuner; what do you think about increasing RB gain for playback and recording from radio?
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16:55:38preglow*shrug*
16:55:59preglowif it's low, increase it, i've never used an h10
16:57:47preglowi see no reason to blindly mimic of, but if the radio could use some more gain to have an acceptable level, just add more gain
16:58:06BoD[]the scrobbler thing didn't work :(
16:58:29BoD[]now when I play a song... it doesn't play, and also the file was not created
16:59:30przemhbcurrently default radio gain is 0dB
16:59:44jhMikeSprzemhb: you mean for the philips chip? I'd usually prefer it to be set as loud as possible as long as it matches playback volume.
16:59:52przemhbat least for recording it would be good to increase it
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17:00:17przemhbjhMikeS: yes, from Philips chip
17:00:22jhMikeSIt can clip the recording already...perhaps a way to combine the gains would be better :)
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17:00:49przemhbjhMikeS: OF has set rec gai to +12dB
17:00:58przemhb(playback too)
17:01:37przemhbI think they knew what they were doing, but RB could use for example 9dB for safety
17:01:43BoD[]actually... nevermind :)
17:01:50BoD[]thanks!
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17:02:05przemhbI do many recording from the radio
17:02:12przemhb4h/day
17:02:23jhMikeSI was just thinking it could have the input range be -34.5dB to +24dB
17:02:41przemhbI scanned 4 such 4h recs and noticed peek level of 0.24
17:03:31jhMikeSI think for FM playback it should have the same listening levels as PCM playback though.
17:03:57przemhbsimultaneous recording of the same station on small and big H10 one boot in OF second using RB gave 11.77dB RMS difference in the volume level
17:04:32jhMikeSSo small H10 doesn't need the +12dB boost
17:04:36jhMikeS?
17:04:42przemhbno
17:04:44LloreanjhMikeS: Well, considering the wide range of recorded audio levels, what would you do? Assume replaygained audio of 89, and attempt to match the radio to approximate that?
17:04:51preglowjhMikeS: any idea how i make the idle timeout just go away?
17:05:06przemhbI have used small H10 to record using iriver's OF
17:05:57jhMikeSLlorean: no, assume unamplified PCM at 0db and radio playback should match that level. Actually, setting gains on x5 and H10 to +12 both result in the level being at +0dB
17:06:24jhMikeSpreglow: idle timeout?
17:06:30LloreanjhMikeS: Ah, okay.
17:07:09preglowjhMikeS: like this thing switches off after 10 minutes of dsp use if i don't touch keys
17:07:25Lloreanpreglow: Does mpegplayer do something special for idle timeout prevention?
17:07:32preglowahh, probably
17:07:33jhMikeSoh, hmmm.
17:07:47jhMikeSLlorean: that's what creeps me out...it doesn't :)
17:07:51LloreanOr is it still just based on "if idle timeout happens *after* rebuffering, you're fine. If rebuffers are further apart than your idle timeout, it shuts down."
17:07:52preglowreset_poweroff_timer
17:07:53preglowfound it
17:07:54jhMikeSanything to do with the backlight?
17:09:13przemhbcurrently tuner uses only 1/4th of the ADC full scale; from an engineering point of view it is not a good situation
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17:10:37jhMikeSprzemhb: on x5 and H10 I'd go right ahead and use the boost actually. On H100 I'm not sure yet, that has massive gain range.
17:11:35*jhMikeS does some checking
17:12:39jhMikeSyeah, it needs it on H100 too. setting recording gain to +12 normalizes to +0dB RMS with radio on.
17:13:39amiconnI'd think it depends massively on the radio station
17:13:51amiconnUnfortunately not all of them use the same modulation level
17:14:44jhMikeSIt's a consistent thing to have to set recording gain to +12 around here to get 0dB at the ADC. They vary but not that much.
17:14:53przemhbamiconn: yes, but the more quiet won't be normalized
17:15:54jhMikeSTo bring it just to clip, +13.5 to +15 is needed normally
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17:18:33przemhbI sure iriver's engineers designed H10 and H100 assuming 12dB
17:18:46jhMikeSodd thing is, e200 needs the +12 dB gain to do the same, but the boost should already be on for the sanyo chip :\
17:19:59preglowperhaps i should use 32 bit arithmetic in flanger.c to make clipping easier
17:20:03preglowoverflows like hell now...
17:21:02jhMikeSpreglow: getting wrapping was never too hard with it.
17:21:17preglowsure, i don't do anything to prevent it
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17:21:37preglowjhMikeS: i should probably convert to a 32 bit buffer internally
17:21:44preglowat least i can reuse the eq routines that way...
17:22:05jhMikeSsounds like 1-billion mad Dorito munchers :p
17:22:35preglowhaha
17:22:41preglowyeah, it's not exactly stellar
17:22:49preglowwhat would be a nice amount of headroom? 24 frac bits?
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17:26:34Crash91will pictureflow work when music is playing? in the future
17:28:09jhMikeSpreglow: 42dB headroom? I'd hope so.
17:29:40GodEater_Crash91: currently as I understand it - it uses the audio buffer - so it'll take quite some re-working to manage that I think.
17:30:43Crash91GodEater_: well it took quite some work to port it to the sansa :) i can wait
17:30:56Crash91(rockbox i mean)
17:31:00*jhMikeS 's crystall ball says "Better not tell you now "
17:31:31*Crash91 doesnt have a crystal ball....but now he wants one!
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17:32:26jhMikeS"Reply hazy, try again"
17:36:56preglowthink i'll just ignore these threading issues for now and access variables directly
17:37:37preglowcool, rockbox hangs on the usb logo with "scanning disk"
17:37:41preglowcan't access logf either, since it hangs...
17:37:51jhMikeSthreading issues?
17:38:06GodEater_someone just kicked jhMikeS's puppy
17:38:10preglowahh, i might have forgot to exit my plugin...
17:38:21preglowbackground disk access is very slow in it
17:38:59jhMikeSpreglow: background on what?
17:39:30*jhMikeS preps for surgery if needed
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17:40:07preglowjhMikeS: if i enter my plug while there's disk activity going on in some thread, it almost stalls
17:40:12preglowi don't yield enough, ig uess
17:40:48peturpluging USB while rockbox is still booting also hangs it...
17:42:11jhMikeSpreglow: which background stuff? dircache or something?
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17:43:33preglowjhMikeS: dircache, yeah
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17:49:59Crash91will album art that has been resized to 150x150 work on a WPS that supports only 100x100? Does it crop?
17:50:44LloreanRockbox has no resizing algorithm at this time
17:50:48LloreanSo I believe it will crop
17:51:03przemhbcould someone be so kind and take a look at FS #8273? (it fixes some bugs of E8564 RTC)
17:51:10Crash91ok, thats fine...i was worried that it wouldnt work at all
17:51:35Crash91so 100x100 is the resolution best for pictureflow?
17:53:07jottCrash91: at the moment.. there are some patches in the queue..
17:53:35jhMikeSpreglow: I _really_ have to implement priority inheritance so that stuff works right and inversion issues are gone. I suppose I can do a quick switck back to the previous way of yielding with priority (I did change the details in there) which worked for the time being.
17:53:59Crash91i dont think any bigger art would look nice on the sansa
17:54:14Crash91(with pictureflow)
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17:55:49preglowwhat is set_int supposed to return?
17:56:13preglowjhMikeS: preemptive threading...
17:56:37preglowpeople should start documenting what the hell functions do
17:56:46preglowi'm tired of having to read code to find out what something returns
17:58:12jhMikeSpreglow: still subject to priority inversion. I also have some ideas about having preemptive threads which I guess would initially just be treated like COP threads for use in background tasks.
17:59:17preglowdeed
17:59:35preglowok, return true obviously doesn't signify any kind of success...
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18:06:45preglowgot basic flanger control now
18:07:15RyoSmay i ask if anyone still works on iAudio X5
18:07:32RyoSbattery usage could need some work still :)
18:09:13LloreanRyoS: The X5 already gets better battery life than the original firmware under Rockbox...
18:09:14preglowwhat kind of battery usage? i thought x5 got long battery times on all iaudio
18:09:23RyoSuhm
18:09:33RyoSmy only gets 7h out of a full charged battery :/
18:09:36RyoS*mine
18:09:41preglowprobably the battery's fault, then
18:09:48preglowtried a run with the default firmware?
18:09:55RyoSnot yet actually
18:10:00preglowyou should
18:10:04RyoSi will do that next
18:10:10preglowwe have no other complaints on battery usage on x5
18:10:17RyoSalright
18:10:34RyoShows about getting another battery for me, in case that this ones sucked out..
18:10:52RyoSis it 'easy' to change it or will i need some skilled hands?
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18:15:10jhMikeSpreglow: hmmm...something is changed now since the old method seems to act like the new. This was originally brought up with recording during dircache scans and the fix worked. Nothing else has changed in the kernel on that note.
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18:39:37JetonWith the last improvements of Picture Flow, i'm seeing picture "popup" issue. Anyone else having this?
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18:41:29pixelmanot entirely sure what you mean but try to "Rebuild cache" from the plugin's menu, worked wonders for me yesterday...
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18:42:10matt__It seems that I need to compile rbspeexenc on my Ubuntu machine before I can make the .talk files I need. Is there a good HowTo that I'm missing for this?
18:42:29Jetoni tried that
18:42:56jhMikeSpreglow: I can't seem to reproduce what you're talking about. The recording screen seems to act differently but I can't say why yet but that's it.
18:43:00preglowmatt__: it's just a matter of downloading the rockbox source and doing "make tools"
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18:43:31matt__preglow: Thank you. I tried that quickly last night and failed.
18:43:35*jhMikeS wonders if dircache updates actually prevent file creation or something.
18:43:39matt__preglow: I'll try again
18:43:41preglowmatt__: failed how?
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18:43:52pixelmaJeton: then I don't know, maybe Nico_P or jott do
18:43:54matt__preglow: Most likely wrong compiler (gcc)
18:43:56preglowmatt__: if you're on 64 bit ubuntu, i can just give you a binary
18:44:05matt__preglow: 32bit
18:44:08preglowthen sorry :/
18:44:13Jetonbut still the issue is there. I hope this makes sense: When i scroll the images, and then the image that stands in the center, doesn't show fully, only when the scrolling stops, then the 'half' part of the image pops up.
18:44:14Nico_PJeton: the popping will be fixed in the next commit
18:44:22Nico_Pand it's already been reported on FS too
18:44:45JetonNico_P: dang, i wish you wrote that 2 sec before, i tried so hard to explain it :P
18:44:53Jetonok then.
18:45:01Nico_Ppixelma highlighted me :)
18:45:26Crash91i have decided to make a program that lists all the audio files on your DAP, and lets you drag AA onto, it will then convert it and put it in the directory as cover.bmp
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18:45:46jhMikeSaha...block_until_ready.
18:45:48Crash91but the downside is - Visual Basic in .NET 2, so only for windows...
18:45:51matt__preglow: It seems that the build system is setup to run a cross compiler to build for the target (such as my Sansa). I didn't have a lot of time, but I couldn't figure out how to make it must use gcc to build rbspeexenc
18:46:01Crash91and its probably gonna take me a long time
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18:46:09Crash91due to my extremely lazy nature
18:46:31JetonCrash91: to save you time, you should check this app on ABi, it does wonders ;) http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14961
18:46:54Crash91i was guessing someone made something like that before
18:48:06Jetonit can save also for filenames like Artist-Track.bmp and you can select multiple files and all the album art get named with the songs name (this feature is to be released soon) .
18:48:07*jhMikeS thinks dircache needs to allow concurrent entry creation during scan or it's dangerous to recording
18:48:17matt__preglow: considering it's a stand alone tool that is now needed to make the .talk files, I'd like to know how to build it without all the overhead of building the rest of rockbox
18:48:27Crash91Jeton: i already have all my AA, it is just the tedious question of resizing (irfanview) and manually pasting them as cover.bmp
18:49:11JetonCrash91: yeah, i know that process :( , But this tool comes handy for someone begining from scratch.
18:49:35Crash91well, album aggregator is nice, and i used google images...
18:50:21jhMikeSpreglow: were you creating a config file or anything when starting the plugin?
18:50:21matt__preglow: I guess now is as good a time as any to learn the joys of Makefiles :-)
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18:50:45preglowmatt__: we're working on including the encoder in rbutil
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18:50:52preglowwhich is going to become the new standard talk clip tool too
18:50:58preglowjhMikeS: no
18:51:03preglowjhMikeS: dircache scanning, that's that
18:51:16matt__preglow: is that going to be a windows only (VB script) app?
18:51:37*Domonoky has already linked rbspeex into rbutil locally, but it isnt ready.. :-)
18:52:06jhMikeSit does block anything trying to write to it while its still scanning
18:52:37jhMikeSI think recording bypassed the system before so it would work during scan but it can't flush now during scan
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18:52:48matt__Well.. back to work. Thanks everyone.
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18:53:12jhMikeSother things that only read the disk run fine such as playback or just loading a plugin...so hmmm
18:53:30Crash91Jeton: does it autodetect my sansa or something?
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18:55:37preglowDomonoky: can the encode_file() interface be used?
18:55:52Domonokyyup
18:56:04Crash91Jeton: nvm...its useles for me...
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18:57:02Domonokyi made a rbspeexenc_lib.c and .h and put all functions into it, built a rbspeex.a lib and linked it to the main programm in rbspeexenc.c and into rbutil..
18:57:33preglowyeah, qt should be able to give you FILE* handles
18:57:53preglowjust use fdreopen() on QFile.handle
18:57:55*Domonoky just used fopen() :-)
18:58:08preglowwell, just make sure there are no charset issues
18:58:49Domonokyyes, as its still not ready, is will go again over this and make sure it works also for strange chars.. :-)
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19:01:01Domonokyi mean, generating .talk files with the builtin rbutil is now possible, but i need to rework the configuration of encoder (and tts) enignes
19:01:57preglowi'd love a separate dialog for each encoder
19:02:15jhMikeSpreglow: things were changed to go through dircache by default rather than explicitely in r13943 iiuc
19:02:26Domonokypreglow: i am working on this.. :-)
19:02:34preglowDomonoky: wow, excellent!
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19:03:30jhMikeSpreglow: so I'm guessing some "hidden" write is taking place somehow and holding things up. the threading behavior itself seems fine.
19:03:40preglowthere, most flanger stuff can be controlled now
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19:07:19jhMikeSpreglow: so flanger in SVN soon :)
19:08:00preglowsoon and soon
19:08:06preglowneed to fix it to use good math first
19:08:36preglowyou just can't beat 100% feedback
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19:09:09preglowadd a lowpass in the feedback path too
19:09:11preglowstereo support
19:09:11preglowetc
19:09:15preglowplenty to do
19:10:03preglowjhMikeS: i'm going to want some other way of controlling the parameters too, this list view shit isn't cutting it
19:10:11preglowit needs good accelerated control
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19:13:40Crash91what is the extension for speex? .speex?
19:13:50preglow.spx
19:13:56preglowor .ogg
19:14:05Crash91okay, thanks
19:14:09preglowusually .spx
19:15:10Crash91so, is this a comprehensive list of all the files rockbox supports?
19:15:11Crash91Dim files As IO.FileInfo() = dirinfo.GetFiles("*.mp3, *.ogg, *.flac, *.wma, *.alac, *.wv, *.mp1, *.mp2, *.aiff, *.wav, *.mpc, *.ac3, *.shn, *.sid, *.adx, *.nsf, *.spc, *.ape, *.spx")
19:15:38jhMikeSpreglow: guess you have to author it =)
19:16:45preglowjhMikeS: lets see how far my interest stretches, heh
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19:16:50jhMikeSCrash91: not quite. see id3.c for that
19:16:52preglowtoo much gui shit and interest soon wanes
19:17:26Crash91jhMikeS:hmmm i dont have it...could you post it in a pastebin? (or the relevant part of it anyway?) thanks
19:18:09jhMikeShttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/id3.c?revision=15364&view=markup
19:18:46Crash91jhMikeS: thanks, the CustomWPS pages says to see id3.h, not id3.c
19:19:26jhMikeSI think only id3.c contains the all the various extensions used
19:19:37Crash91okay, thanks for your help
19:20:33*jhMikeS thinks all this "id3" stuff needs renaming
19:21:09Crash91wait...isnt mp4 video? isnt m4a the standard extension for that
19:21:31Crash91and also, i didnt see .AAC in there, should i add that?
19:21:43preglowjhMikeS: i'm thinking just a vertical list of settings you can adjust, then using left/right to change that setting without entering another screen, and the adjustment being very based on accaleration
19:21:53preglowjhMikeS: spending half an hour in scrolling from min setting to max setting isn't cool
19:22:16preglowCrash91: mp4 is, like ogg, just a container, it can have video/audio/subtitles/etc
19:22:25jhMikeSpreglow: not settings on the same line as the names! :p what are you thinking? :)
19:22:43preglowjhMikeS: well, subline or whatever, i won't know until i see how much space i have
19:23:51jhMikeSUp/Down = select. Move right = adjust mode...up/down to adjust. Move left to exit adjust mode and enter select mode. Pretty much like any TV or whatever.
19:24:19preglowi just want there to be as few key presses involved as possible
19:24:27preglowi really want to gear it for live use, heh
19:24:52jhMikeSOk = hit select to adjust, left to cancel, select again to keep it
19:24:57preglowi just sat here dubbing some music i recorded from the ipod nano headphones with the delay send level
19:25:19preglowutilizing wrapping from 0% to 100% to get fast enough changes
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19:26:59jhMikeSI think if needs that level of control, you'll need a board with knobs
19:29:09preglowindeedd
19:29:09preglowbut would be cool to make it as efficient as possible without it as well
19:29:39preglowi could make a midi->spi interface and connect my keyboard to it via the remote port :>
19:30:48jhMikeSPerhaps the world should not look upon it until it has that feature :p
19:30:56preglowhaha
19:31:10preglowbut nah, the only real thing i want done before commit is proper saturating math
19:31:24preglowit's a work in progress anyway
19:32:13jhMikeSthen an emac implementation is mandatory first
19:34:06preglownot really, no, could just do it in c
19:34:16preglowbut emac is of course coming
19:34:39preglowbut at start, just FRACMUL kind of thing
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19:47:59*jhMikeS needs to get it together on the "anti-quantizer" DSP stage
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19:49:39jhMikeSbut for now, efficiently locating MPEG GOPs by timecode will be satisfying enough
19:51:16preglowhmm
19:51:23preglowi wonder how to add stereo to the flanger
19:51:32preglowperhaps just adding another tap to the delay line will be ok
19:53:06*jhMikeS gets ticked that a google search for much MPEG-related info is just a patent list and few real tips exist. :\
19:53:43jhMikeSpreglow: what makes it not stereo? it mixes the audio down?
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19:59:42mrkikojhMikeS: ... have you looked at mencoder sources? Or mpgtx?
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20:00:47jhMikeSI've had some spying around mplayer. This thing seeks fast enough now it's pointless to show a "loading" splash. I also just found something interesting.
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20:05:25preglowjhMikeS: beh, of course, we're doing stereo
20:05:44preglowjust do everything in parallel, then
20:05:45jhMikeSAll I need is clarification on things. The ISO docs suck to find thing on a moments notice.
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20:05:59jhMikeSpreglow: what about some interation of channels?
20:06:03jhMikeS*interaction
20:12:41markunso many jerks in the forums these days :(
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20:15:04amiconnpreglow: Isn't midi just rs232 with an unusual bitrate?
20:15:26amiconn31250bps iirc
20:16:06Slasherihehe, just installed a little bit of electronics into my old car :D http://ihme.org/~miipekk/auto/
20:17:29preglowamiconn: nah, in a way, with different voltage levels
20:17:35preglowit's not voltage based at all, really, it's current loop
20:17:42preglowso it's not like rs232 at all in some ways
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20:17:53toffe82Nico_P: I try to use pictureflow and I have an error message "could allocate temporary buffer" then plugin returned error
20:18:07Nico_Ptoffe82: is music playing?
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20:19:10toffe82Nico_P: no
20:19:43Nico_Phmm are you up to date?
20:20:20toffe82Nico_P: if music is playing there is no error
20:20:29jhMikeStoffe82: see my PM?
20:20:31toffe82but I don't get the picture
20:20:49Nico_Phmm strange
20:22:28toffe82Nico_p : if I use a wps with album art I see the picture perhaps too big
20:22:52*amiconn spots ugly scaling in svn :(
20:22:58amiconnWhy not bilinear?
20:23:02pixelmaisn't that the typo that got fixed earlier today (meaning it's an older version)?
20:23:51Nico_Pamiconn: we'll probably do bilinear too and give a choice
20:24:01Nico_Ppixelma: yeah sounds like it
20:24:48amiconnWho would prefer nearest neighbour over bilinear filtering??
20:24:52pixelmabilinear gave me the best results on PC preparing the few albumart.bmps
20:25:27Nico_Pamiconn: isn't bilinear slower?
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20:25:52amiconnYes, somewhat.
20:26:20amiconnBut nearest neighbor looks so crappy especially when scaling down that I'd never use it
20:26:21Nico_Pwell maybe bilinear can replace nearest neighbour when it's implemented
20:26:45amiconnThe only exception is when scaling up by integer multiples, then it's okay
20:30:07amiconnThe old bitmap scaling patch did also use nearest neighbour only - one reason why I did not like it
20:37:16Nico_PI'll probably give bilinear a go tomorrow if jott doesn't do it before
20:38:43jhMikeShttp://scien.stanford.edu/class/psych221/projects/06/imagescaling/index.htm
20:38:48amiconnI think bilinear can be done without excessive buffering and with decent speed, provided the algorithm avoids division (use suitably scaling and right shifts instead)
20:39:05amiconn*suitable
20:39:24Nico_PjhMikeS: thanks :)
20:40:29jottamiconn: yes.. actually the nn scaling was just written because i needed it in pf .. didn't expect it get to the libs..
20:41:20jotti would propose using/porting the imlib2 scaling code is a good idea.. it seems to be robust and fast
20:41:54jhMikeSNico_P: covers stuff regarding edge detection and preservation if we want to be fancy about it
20:42:46amiconnNah, it still needs to be fast enough for embedded use
20:42:57amiconnPerhaps the gigabeast could handle such fancy stuff
20:43:39Nico_Pthat's why it makes sense to have several different methods available in the pluginlib
20:43:53Nico_Pof course in the core we'll have to find a compromise
20:43:58pixelmathat reminds me...
20:44:02jottthe imlib2 code is probably the fastest implementation under a free license
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20:46:59Nico_Ppixelma: what are you reminded of?
20:47:35*amiconn changed his opinion about linux usb support somewhat
20:49:03jhMikeSI think some kernel-based filter could be fast enough just to load something
20:50:01amiconnYou mean scale-on-load?
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20:51:30jhMikeSor scale on first use...if it's in the buffer it should be possible.
20:52:21amiconnScale-on-load would be better, as that would allow loading images which are larger than the buffer
20:52:37pixelmaNico_P: re. the lib and external bitmap loading in pf...
20:52:49amiconn...and the internal format is lcd native, i.e. less suitable for scaling
20:52:58toffe82Nico_P: I fix it :)
20:53:07Nico_Ptoffe82: what was the problem?
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20:56:54toffe82Nico_P: I resize the files to 100x100 and update to the last version ( I had the one of yesterday)
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20:57:37JetonNico_P: if you could add an option to have text on top of screen or bottom, since on the bottom it 'interferes' during fading.
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20:58:20Jetonat least on my Sansa it does.
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21:04:03jpt9does rockbox have any sort of official album art support? i noticed there was pictureflow...
21:05:43pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
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21:06:26pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPictureFlow
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21:10:26faemirIs the iaudio X5L the player that supports rockbox that has the most battery life?
21:11:05preglowno
21:11:09preglowm5l, afaik
21:11:44amiconnYes, M5L is a bit better than X5L (same cpu, hdd and battery, but monochrome lcd, no radio and no usbotg chip)
21:12:09amiconns/monochrome/greyscale/
21:17:04faemirIf only it wasn't discontinued :(
21:20:39n1sall players supported by rockbox are discontinued...
21:22:08pixelmafaemir: I could also only find one on ebay. There is an UK ebay-store that sells (sold?) a bunch from time to time, called "mp3-direct"
21:22:45pixelmacurrently I could find one offer on ebay.de
21:22:48faemirOh getting hold of one is not an issue
21:23:21faemirIt's more I would rather one that isn't discontinued, but I guess that's kind of hard to do - getting a working version before the next version comes out
21:25:30faemirI don't suppose someone could do me a favour and post that page from the rockbox site that have different battery performance results? I've looked for /ages/ and can't find it >_>
21:26:21*n1s whispers BatteryRuntime
21:26:45faemirheh thanks
21:28:09faemiroh wow. gigabeat f40s look like a bargain.
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21:41:24toffe82there is a lot of new F40 for 110$ actually
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21:46:34preglowwhat chip does the Fs use, again?
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21:48:13toffe82preglow: samsung s3c2440
21:49:06preglownice docs?
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21:56:22RyoShow up to date is the IaudioPort page?
21:56:43RyoSit says power handling 10% done but if its said to run better?
21:58:14RyoSand is there any work done for the usb on the go function? :)
21:59:18*scorche|w has always hated those arbitrary numbers
21:59:30RyoShehe ^^
21:59:37scorche|wno...Rockbox does not support USBOTG
21:59:44scorche|wso far, anyway
21:59:48RyoSalright.
21:59:59RyoSand the battery runtime says for the X5 on the wikipage it has 7hours
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22:00:22RyoSwhich matches mine and matches my batterybench too.. :^
22:01:16preglowthe wiki has plenty of outdated shit
22:01:16RyoSbut as i read and also got told here it should get more than original firmare out of the lifetime
22:01:33preglowthe x5 runs for more than seven hours
22:01:41scorche|wyes...you should get more than the OF
22:01:45RyoSmarch this year is that result i relay on
22:01:50RyoSmh weird..
22:01:59RyoSi will check it once again with the original firmware soon
22:02:11RyoSbut its so hard to dismiss rockbox even if its only for some days :p
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22:06:06rufus80Hi all
22:06:31rufus80is anybody here?
22:07:11Bagderyes
22:07:14Zagoronly 154 people
22:08:35rufus80Please help... I have a problem with my ipod video (80gb) and it dos not work, it has a fat32 file system and i don't make a bootloader with rbinstall (ni ipods found)
22:09:07scorche|ware you sure it is an ipod video and not a classic?
22:09:14rufus80yes
22:09:18rufus80not classic
22:09:34scorche|wwhat have you done to it so far?
22:09:49rufus80the ipodpatcher displays too (no ipods found)
22:10:21RyoSok just reflashed the original firmware for the iaudio x5
22:10:21rufus80the only ipod with 80gb winchester is an ipod video
22:10:33RyoSit seems to charge more now but i had it fully charged some minutes ago..
22:10:38rufus80iaudiox5?
22:10:44scorche|wwinchester?
22:10:57RyoSrufus80: yes
22:11:10rufus80ok
22:11:24RyoSrufus80: its another "problem" if you want to name it that way :p i want to check battery lifetime with and without rockbox :)
22:11:49preglowshould usb inserting work ok in plugins? :/
22:11:54rufus80the battery is full
22:12:38pixelmawhat winchester?
22:12:50scorche|wrufus80: what did you mean by "winchester"?
22:13:19rufus80i dont know maybe samsung or something like that, but im sure that is a 80gb
22:13:28rufus80hard drive
22:13:53jottis the tracker broken? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 gives me an sql error
22:14:03scorche|wrufus80: yes, but what i was saying is that both the ipod video 5.5gen and the ipod classics come in 80GB versions
22:14:19rufus80ok
22:14:23rufus80this is an ipod 5.5
22:14:55Bagderjott: it looks that way, zagor you seen it?
22:15:21Zagorhmm
22:15:29scorche|wrufus80: and what did you do before trying ipodpatcher?
22:15:38rufus80this ipod has a rockbox in the past and it was a problem: the macosx boot sometimes and i didn't quit
22:15:45RyoSpreglow: can i run a batterybench with the OF too or should i just run it?
22:16:09RyoSand what about the battery settings under rockbox, its set to 950 mAh IIRC but I have no clue if thats right..
22:16:37rufus80i deleted the first, macosx partition and format all the 80gb partition to fat32
22:17:00n1sRyoS: afaik it is correct for an x5 but it also only affect the displayed estimated battery time left
22:17:18RyoSn1s: ah ok got it.
22:17:28n1srufus80: that's not how you do it, there's a guide in the wiki
22:17:32amiconnpreglow: If they are coded properly, yes
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22:18:50rufus80i already watched the guide
22:19:32jottanyway, i just ported the imlib2/qt scaling algorithm to rb... maybe someone gives it some stresstest and or some comments... http://sse2.net/rb/0040-First-proposal-for-imlib2-based-image-scaling.patch
22:19:48jott(plugin based atm)
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22:23:29Nico_PBagder: would you agree to show me the SVN post-commit hook script that is used for rockbox? I'd like to add a similar one for a school project I'll be working on soon
22:23:59Bagderafaik, we don't have any post-commit hook...
22:24:16Nico_Phow are the commit emails sent out then?
22:24:23Bagderoh those...
22:25:27Bagderwe use commit-email.pl for that
22:26:09jottshould i open a new patch ticket for this scaling thingie or add it to the bmp scale "thread"?
22:26:22BagderNico_P: http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/tools/hook-scripts/
22:26:54Nico_Pcommit-email.pl.in?
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22:27:45Bagderyeah, that one gets "@SVN_BINDIR@" replaced when you install it normally
22:27:58Bagderand is then called commit-email.pl
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22:28:02Nico_Pthanks :)
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22:30:18zajacattackso, what is happening with the default wps?
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22:32:06amiconnGah, 2 freezes within 5 minutes :(
22:33:04scorche|wzajacattack: read the 22 page thread and you will know...
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22:36:12amiconnFreeze #3
22:36:41DM|what is wps?
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22:52:15Nico_PBagder: adding the commiter's username in the subject seems a bit nonstandard... any pointers on how it is done?
22:52:51ZagorNico_P: I have patched the perl file a bit
22:53:35Nico_Pah
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22:55:16preglowjhMikeS: got all parameters controllable now
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23:01:20markunpreglow: what are you working on?
23:01:33preglowmarkun: audio effects box plugin
23:02:18markunfun
23:02:34preglowindeed
23:02:45preglowjust brushed up the flanger i had already coded for now and added a menu
23:02:50preglowbut now that that's done, more effects will follow
23:03:37Nico_Ppreglow: how's the EQ plotter doing?
23:04:20preglowNico_P: lousy, can't make it work with enough precision
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23:05:16Nico_Ppity
23:05:25preglowyeah, indeed
23:05:40preglowit's just a hard problem using fixed point
23:06:08preglowi pretty much gave up a couple of days ago and decided to instead see if i can calculate some formulas that are hardwired to the filter types we use
23:06:36preglowbut that approach has two problems: 1. i have to do the math..., and 2. the formulas will probably have sqrt/asin/atan/etc in them
23:07:53jottpreglow: you may have to shift around the fractional part at some point to stay in range
23:08:31jottbut fixedpoint arithmetics can get quite messy, you are right ;)
23:08:31preglowjott: the problem right now is that the numerator and denominator of a fraction i need to calculate are too close
23:08:49preglowat the start of the filter response
23:09:00preglowthe higher frequency parts of the filter i can plot fine, not the lower parts
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23:09:22Olofhello, im currently trying to convert my albumart to bmp 100X100 so rockbox can display it
23:09:39Olofi have 1500albums so converting them one by one isnt an option
23:10:00Olofi searched the forums and alot of people said that irfanview could handle it
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23:10:28Olofirfanview converts them to 100X100 bmp without any problems but i want to maintain the directory structure
23:10:40Olofdoes anyone know a simple solution to this problem?
23:10:45Olofrunning windows xp btw
23:11:57jottpreglow: pictureflow uses a long long based division, this will impact perfomance but gain precision/numerical stability..
23:12:32preglowwell, as long as you don't do so too often you're ok
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23:12:39preglowi use 64 bit divides a lot in the eq coef calculations
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23:14:59SoapOlof, you need to write a batch script to manually traverse your directory structure, and perform the convertion operation one-by-one with the command-line version of irfanview (if that is the program you want to use)
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23:16:26SoapSomeone here once gave me the excellent program fae.exe for doing this within windows. I forget who gave me this traversing program - or under what terms they gave it to me - so I don't feel good about redistributing it. If they see this and want to PM me I would be gracious.
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23:17:47OlofSoap: well i want to use irfanview if it can do what i want
23:18:01OlofSoap: if you know any program that is better than that would be great :)
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23:19:37preglowimagemagick works just fine
23:19:40preglowyou still need the batch part
23:20:08Olofpreglow: i dont mind using a non-gui program at all and ive used imagemagick before :)
23:20:09*jott throws bash one-liners around
23:20:21Olofbut im not sure how i can achieve this under windows xp
23:20:30Soapregardless of what converter you use - you need one which performs the same operation (convert folder.jpg to cover.bmp, scale cover.bmp) in every directory in your tree while dumping the result in the folder the folder.jpg was found it. The only way _I_ found to do this was to run the operation in each and every directory - which is where FAE comes in as it navigates up the tree repeating a windows command.
23:20:58Olofah
23:21:17OlofSoap: what does FAE stand for? got any more information on where to find it etc
23:21:19Soappreglow, how do you use imagemagick from the command line in Windows - and have it work in multiple directories - I looked into it but was unable to figure out a batch script to do so.
23:21:40Bagderusing cygwin+imagemagick, it should be fairly easy
23:21:59Bagderfind . -name "*.jpg" ...
23:22:02preglowOlof: no, the windows part would be what i'm not sure about
23:22:07preglowit's trivial if you've got a proper shel, though
23:22:12preglowor a port of "find"
23:22:14Olofpreglow: ok :/
23:22:19Olofyea, i just thought of that
23:22:26zei'd just do a for f in $(find -iname '*.jpg');do convert -sample 100x100 "$f" "${f/\.jpg/.bmp}";done or such
23:22:31Soapdidn't think about looking for a port of 'find'
23:23:04Oloffind seems to be included in windows
23:23:14Soapis it?
23:23:23OlofC:\Documents and Settings\Olof>find
23:23:24OlofFIND: Parameter format not correct
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23:24:25preglowhmm, now how much delay would a flanger need
23:25:17zepreglow: more than a chorus but less than a phaser? or something :p
23:25:38toffe82Olof: try xnview, I just use it and it works fine
23:25:39zeor is it more than a phaser too, i forget
23:25:46preglowze: well, it'll double as a chorus
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23:25:55preglowze: right now i've got about 250ms, which should be plenty, really
23:25:55Oloftoffe82: thanks for the tip :)
23:26:20Oloftoffe82: isnt it freeware?
23:26:22Olofor oss
23:26:25toffe82Olof: yes
23:26:31zepreglow: seems likely plenty
23:26:32Olofah, saw now
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23:26:40toffe82I prefer this one to irfanview
23:27:08Oloftoffe82: do you use nconvert?
23:27:16OlofCome to discover NConvert, a batch utility to convert graphic files! Support of more than 400 graphics formats!
23:27:28Oloftoffe82: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/en_nconvert.html
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23:27:59toffe82Olof: I did everything form the interface
23:28:06Olofok
23:28:52toffe82Olof: first search the files you want to convert, then select then all and then in tools, select batch conversion
23:29:17Oloftoffe82: ok, ill try the nconvert first and if it doesnt work ill download xnview
23:29:24toffe82don't forget to select resize in the transformation
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23:34:17Oloftoffe82: ahh, it worked :)
23:34:58Oloftoffe82: i got my hi-quality covers named front.jpg and low-quality cover.jpg
23:35:10Olofknow any solution within xnview to rename them all to cover.bmp
23:35:18Olofotherwise i can just use another program for that
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23:45:48preglowand stereo support
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23:54:14toffe82Olof: I tried but did find so I used an external prog
23:55:04Oloftoffe82: okey, thanks
23:55:11Olofim converting my whole collection now
23:55:17Olof60% done, 2800images.. ^^
23:55:19toffe82Olof: or perhaps making a conversion and changing the name of the output file
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23:55:44toffe82Olof: I transform mine from folder.jpg to cover.bmp
23:55:54Olofwith what application?
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23:56:59toffe82Olof: sorry I convert the image from within xnview and then rename with lupas rename software
23:57:06Olofokey
23:58:20toffe82Olof: but I think you can change the output name when convert in xnview
23:58:55Oloftoffe82: im not sure its possible for me

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