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#rockbox log for 2007-12-12

00:00:14*scorche|w wonders how much this has to do with rockbox at this point
00:01:11amiconnhmmmmrmmmm
00:01:44Olofscorche|w: nothing at all
00:02:02*scorche|w nudges a bit towards #rockbox-community
00:02:26Olofits ok, were done
00:05:08 Part jpt9
00:06:21pixelmathe pf scrolling album title looks /very/ weird when it only has to scroll a few pixels, it looks almost as if it bounces
00:07:39 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat")
00:07:47jottpixelma: any ideas how to improve this?
00:08:14jott(and it actually does bounce ;)
00:09:32pixelmathe bidirectional scroll in the file browser/menus stops for a short while before it starts scrolling into the other direction
00:10:27pixelmaI think that looks better
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00:11:09amiconnWhy doesn't the plugin just use lcd_puts_scroll()?
00:11:17*amiconn would have expected that
00:12:38jottamiconn: because 1) the threaded rendering needs too much workarounds while rendering 2) it does not allow easy fade out 3) it's just 3 lines of code
00:13:01amiconnfade out? :>
00:13:26jotthey bling to the extreme ;).. the names fade out while scrolling
00:14:19preglowand yet are still not alpha blended!
00:14:19preglowhaha
00:14:32amiconngfx overkill flash ;)
00:14:52amiconnNm, shouldn't matter to me, I'll probably never try it myself
00:15:52jottpreglow: hehe well if lcd_putsxy would do this i would be happy ..
00:16:45pixelmaI'm just toying around with it a bit, as I said it's something to show off but I don't find it handy enough to build my playlists...
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00:17:53*amiconn can't be bothered to make tiny BMPs from his (few) album art images just to try something he would never actually use
00:18:18jottpixelma: yeah it has its own purpose.. and generating playlists is probably not the main use case ;)
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00:18:36amiconnI rather keep these few images in decent resolution as jpg
00:19:17jottwhy not both? ;)
00:19:30amiconnThe advantage being?
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00:19:44amiconnNothing for me, but additional work, and diskspace taken
00:19:44jottif you're bored you can flick around ;)
00:20:03stripwaxwhat's the advantage of keeping the albumart in jpg?
00:20:31Olofstripwax: smaller space
00:20:33pixelmaI already made a few to try album art in the WPS. this is what you get for curiosity. But at least I have an opinion that's based on something that I really tried. :)
00:20:55stripwaxOlof - no, I mean, since albumart doesn't support jpg, why keep high-res (or any res) jpgs at all?
00:21:12Nico_Pstripwax: have you seen there is now resizing in the pluginlibs?
00:21:17pixelmato watch it in the jpg viewer?
00:21:21Olofstripwax: im using foobar2000
00:21:24amiconnstripwax: I can display them and zoom in to see the details. And it takes less diskspace
00:21:24stripwaxNico_P - I'm rebuilding sliding_puzzle as I type :)
00:21:26Olofstripwax: there i can view album art
00:21:27stripwaxyep
00:21:29Nico_Pcool :)
00:21:43Olofstripwax: then i dont want 100x100 bmp, id rather view 500x500jpgs
00:21:46Olofbut i got both now
00:21:50stripwaxOlof - ok cool. actually my 'what's the advantage' question was originally for amiconn
00:21:51Olofdoesnt consume much extra space
00:22:05Olofoh ok
00:22:18stripwaxOlof - but do you put your 500x500jpgs on your dap?
00:22:32Nico_Pstripwax: and smooth resizing is on its way
00:22:35Olofstripwax: well i just copy the folders, then i do a *.jpg search and delete them
00:22:48stripwaxNico_P - awesome!
00:22:50stripwaxOlof - :-D
00:22:58Olofstripwax: as i got most in high resolution i can save about 200mb then ^^
00:23:04Oloffor fitting more music :D
00:23:14amiconnstripwax: There's the jpeg viewer - imho it's 100 times more useful to keep album cover images as high-res jpeg than as thumbnail bmp
00:23:17stripwaxheh. amiconn, do you keep the jpgs on your dap?
00:23:22stripwaxah.
00:23:23amiconnYes, a few
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00:23:38Olofi cant see anything negative with keeping both
00:23:44Olofbmp's takes 30kb each, thats nothing
00:23:58pixelmastripwax: you can even view them on the Archoses as jpg (although not when music is playing) :)
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00:24:47stripwaxamiconn - right, and that's a separate app (at least for the time being), and while I can see the general usefulness of a jpeg viewer, is it useful for viewing albumart?
00:25:12amiconnDefinitely.
00:25:14uskiif it's in the code, why not use it..
00:25:18stripwaxheh, true
00:26:48 Quit ender` (" Some people have one of those days. I've had one of those lives.")
00:27:06stripwaxamiconn - cool then
00:29:20stripwaxOlof - true, although if wps supported jpgs it wouldn't be necessary
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00:30:27jotthttp://sse2.net/rb/imlib2-based-scaling.diff here is the first proposal for integrating the smooth scaling into lib/bmp ( @ Nico_P )
00:30:56Nico_Pjott: thanks :)
00:31:04Olofstripwax: yea, i would love that feature
00:31:20Olofstripwax: but still rockbox is amazing
00:31:29jottstripwax: and smooth scaling ;)...
00:31:31Olofso making that small effort to convert em to get all the other features
00:31:36Olofits worth it, for me at least
00:32:22stripwaxjott :)
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00:33:30jottyeah and when you are used to scripting, converting all images you have is a matter of seconds up to a few minutes ;)
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00:35:14stripwaxand there's plenty of other apps to bo that batch conversion too
00:35:32stripwax^bo^do
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00:36:12amiconnBatch conversion would require a consistent naming scheme of the source images
00:36:15jottyeah.. actually i wrote a 15 line ruby script to extract the aa embedded into my mp3s and convert/resize it to "album name.bmp".. took a few minutes ;)
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00:36:38jottor was it python? .. don't remember..
00:38:14jottanyway.. everbody is welcome to stress test my scaling patch (to go back ontopic ;-)
00:38:15stripwaxamiconn - something like Album Art Aggregator can download the source images and resize in one go, I think
00:38:58stripwaxjott - I'm rebuilding sliding_puzzle to use the new simple resizing, and then will give your patch a whirl too
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00:39:51Nico_Pjott: very nice :)
00:39:59jottyeah you can just drop-in replace simple_resize_bitmap with smooth_resize_bitmap
00:40:31stripwaxyeo
00:40:33stripwaxyep
00:41:55Nico_Pjott: maybe it would be worth putting the smooth resize in its own file and make all the provate functions static
00:42:11Nico_Pstill using bmp.h though
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00:47:08pixelmastripwax: ah, it was the resize that was missing. A few days ago JdGordon asked what was keeping it from committing and I only remembered that there was one open issue...
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00:48:14stripwaxpixelma - right, sliding_puzzle (re)implements bitmap resizing but now that simple_resize_bitmap is in svn I'm switching to that instead
00:50:41amiconnDoes the new sliding_puzzle work for bitmap targets without aa?
00:50:55stripwaxyes
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00:52:44stripwaxFor mono targets, it does no more or less than it does today, however.
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00:54:06amiconnHmm, I didn't check how sliding_puzzle works now, but the mono targets also have read_bmp_file()
00:54:49amiconnSo they could (and imho should) also support loadable puzzle images
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00:57:49stripwaxYep, arguably they could and should. I'll see how straightforward that would be (mono targets wouldn't be able to resize meaningfully, for example). Up to now I've been using the *same* default puzzle bitmap for all targets, in fact, but with the resize changes it makes sense to ship the puzzle bitmap that fits the target without needing resizing
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00:59:51amiconnMono targets could also resize, but I don't think that's necessary
01:00
01:00:05amiconnAnd heck, you could even make it use the grayscale lib
01:00:18amiconn(hopefully soon the all-new greyscale lib) :)
01:00:25Nico_Pamiconn: is smooth scaling useful on non colour targets?
01:02:00stripwaxamiconn - hm.. maybe ..
01:02:40amiconngrayscale lib couldn't use too many shades though, or the plugin wouldn't be usable during playback on archos
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01:02:57amiconngreyscale lib will be all-or-nothing in that respect...
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01:04:50Nico_Pamiconn: have you seen my question above?
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01:06:44amiconnNico_P: Why not?
01:07:02amiconnDoesn't make sense for *mono* targets as a core function though
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01:08:21Nico_Pamiconn: don't know... I thought maybe with few shades of gray the difference between smooth and nearest neighrbour could be minimal
01:09:02amiconnThere's dithering. And there might be targets with more than 2 bit greyscale
01:09:08Nico_Pok
01:09:25amiconnGmini 2xx would have been an example (4 bit greyscale)
01:11:24Nico_Pwould it make sense to aim towards implementing the smooth resizing directly in the core?
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01:15:32saratogaLlorean: around?
01:15:39preglowman, these lang files are getting big
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01:23:32preglowrasher: here?
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01:38:35preglowwhat's up with all the duplicate SYSFONT entries in the lang files?
01:41:13*amiconn wonders whether that's a serious question
01:42:13preglowit surely is
01:42:16preglowwhy wouldn't it be?
01:43:10amiconnBecause we already had that question many times...
01:43:40amiconnThey are for screens which use the sysfont, because the sysfont only supports latin1 characters
01:44:08preglowwe != me
01:44:27amiconnThey can go as soon as all localised screens (i.e. all user screens) are converted/ fixed to work with the user font
01:45:31preglowrequiring sysfont is nasty :/
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01:45:37amiconnyup
01:46:00amiconnBut the recording screen still does, and probably others
01:46:42amiconn(not sure which ones - the more features rockbox gets, the less I am using, at least it seems so)
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01:47:36preglowi'm on a fairly constant level no matter what rockbox has
01:47:44preglowi select files in the browser and play them, that's about that
01:48:04preglowthe recording screen sins bigtime, yes
01:48:05amiconnButton bar is another example
01:48:10JdGordonrec screen, quickscreen(?) and pitch screen are the last ones i tinhk
01:48:20amiconnQuickscreens use the user font
01:48:42amiconn(but are ugly due to layout - need viewports for a nice fix)
01:49:05JdGordondoesnt it fallback on sysfont if it doesnt fit?
01:49:11*JdGordon tired and probably wrong
01:51:54preglowman, i hate options like "Disable resume on startup if phones unplugged"
01:52:07preglowbecause they're a bitch to translate without using a zilliong words, and because they're bloat
01:57:29Aloneapreglow: awww, poor dear. glad I don't do any translations, though I wouldn't be much help anyway since I am only so so at japanese
02:00
02:00:39preglowwell, it's quite self-inflicted, for some reason i decided to sync a language i never use...
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02:03:53Aloneapreglow: ^__^. its ok. we can't help it.
02:05:22preglowi think most of these headphone options are bloat...
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02:17:21Aloneapreglow: yeah, pretty much. you would not happen to know if anyone was going to add options for the textviewer to turn off the left and right buttons going to the end or beginning of a document?
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02:18:05preglowAlonea: not at all
02:18:09Aloneapreglow: I have accidentally pressed them a bajillion times already, and its a pain to get back where I was.
02:18:15preglowamiconn: norsk.lang seems to be badly ordered, any way to fix that?
02:18:28Aloneapreglow: safetydan was saying he thought someone was, but wasn't sure.
02:19:17Aloneapreglow: i've been meaning to possibly make a patch for it, but my knowledge of c is pretty lacking. I might try after finals are over.
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02:23:04ZeekDaGeekHey.
02:23:12Aloneaallo ZeekDaGeek
02:23:26ZeekDaGeekI got a little problem...
02:24:10ZeekDaGeekI installed rockbox a while ago when you use to have to use the command prompt bootloader version
02:24:20ZeekDaGeekand now I cant uninstall the bootloader. :\
02:24:49AloneaZeekDaGeek: which player?
02:25:01ZeekDaGeekiPod 5th generation.
02:25:26ZeekDaGeekI dont want to back date it because I dont have the room on my computer to store anything...
02:25:33AloneaZeekDaGeek: ah, sorry. don't know anything at all about ipods. on mine, I just drag a file over.
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02:25:39ZeekDaGeekJust wondering if you guys have a file database...
02:25:49ZeekDaGeekof your old stuff.
02:25:57ZeekDaGeekArchive, thats the word.
02:26:47AloneaZeekDaGeek: archive of older bootloaders? I think so. also, you can download older versions of rockbox with svn as well.
02:27:17ZeekDaGeekWhere would that be at...
02:27:50preglowbtw, shouldn't "optical output" have on/off instead of yes/no ?
02:28:25AloneaZeekDaGeek: try here http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/
02:29:01AloneaZeekDaGeek: there is also an archive folder under there too if you look
02:29:40AloneaZeekDaGeek: hopefully you will find what you are looking for.
02:30:55ZeekDaGeekThanks :D
02:31:12ZeekDaGeekNow for trial and error to find out which one I have.
02:33:14ZeekDaGeekWhats the cmd prompt thing to run a file...
02:34:10AloneaZeekDaGeek: umm, windows or linux? also can depend on filetype. are you looking for ./file.extension ?
02:34:31ZeekDaGeekWindows, ipodpatcher.exe
02:35:06AloneaZeekDaGeek: hmm, I though in windows you just typed in ipodpatcher or ipodpatcher.exe while in the directory to load it.
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02:36:12AloneaZeekDaGeek: its what we did in the ole dos days to load exes
02:36:15ZeekDaGeekNot recognized as a command...
02:36:25ZeekDaGeekIt loads and all when i double click
02:36:32ZeekDaGeekbut doesnt stay open long enough to read
02:36:47AloneaZeekDaGeek: hmm, does it say in the manual how to do this or no?
02:37:20ZeekDaGeekI remember last time i just typed the full path somewhere
02:37:26ZeekDaGeekthen it gave me a bunch of commands
02:37:29ZeekDaGeeklike -i for install
02:37:31ZeekDaGeekand stuff
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02:38:04ZeekDaGeekAhh
02:38:05ZeekDaGeekthere we are
02:38:07ZeekDaGeekFound it
02:39:07AloneaZeekDaGeek: good.
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02:40:26ZeekDaGeekStart -> Run -> Path\ipodpatcher.exe if anyone asks.
02:41:52AloneaZeekDaGeek: ah, ok. basically same thing as dos. but then in msdos things are reaaaal finicky.
02:42:16ZeekDaGeekYeah i figured i could go into cmd and run it from there...
02:42:23ZeekDaGeekBut it doesnt like that idea
02:42:52ZeekDaGeekand if you just double click it desides that you dont need to keep the window open to type.
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02:43:05AloneaZeekDaGeek: figures. bloody msdos...at least run command works
02:43:53ZeekDaGeekNow to never get RockBox again untill they fix their battery issues >:
02:44:13ZeekDaGeekBasicly the only thing thing that ever turned me off of it :\
02:44:36psycho_maniacwhat player?
02:44:50ZeekDaGeekThen reading about them knowing and being like "Oh we havnt even started working on that"
02:44:53ZeekDaGeekiPod.
02:45:17ZeekDaGeek5g 30gig.
02:45:23ZeekDaGeekVideo
02:45:29psycho_maniaccoding for rockbox takes time and they do it as a hobby pretty much. they have lives too.
02:45:32ZeekDaGeekI want to get the ipod touch. *drewls*
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02:46:09ZeekDaGeekExcept i think it must have a billion problems with scratches on the screen
02:46:35psycho_maniacHave you checked flyspray for patches or bugs for your battery problem.
02:47:08ZeekDaGeekFlyspray for rockbox problems?
02:47:22psycho_maniacthe patch tracker
02:47:48psycho_maniachttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4
02:48:11ZeekDaGeekNope.
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02:48:40psycho_maniacby the way. what do you have problems with your battery?
02:49:36preglowwe've never said we're not even working on the battery issue
02:49:54ZeekDaGeekRock box just drains it faster
02:50:05preglowfeel free to just sit down and start disassembling the retailos and help us along with fixing it, it's a bloody complex issue when you have no hardware documentation, as you'll discover if you try
02:50:10ZeekDaGeekand preglow, it says that you guys know about the problem and arnt even planning on addressing it any time soon
02:50:33preglowwe know about it, and we have no idea why it happens, because we have no documentation on the hardware
02:50:46preglowwe basically have to plow through the disassembled code of apple's os to find out what they do, then duplicate that
02:51:04preglowit's not something everybody knows how to do, and it's a big job even for those who do
02:51:06ZeekDaGeekDefensive. o.o
02:51:20preglowyes, since you claim we say we're not even working on it
02:51:35ZeekDaGeekBecause you say you have no plans on even addressing it right on the website!
02:51:41preglowwhere?
02:51:53psycho_maniaci have the 5.5g 80gb ipod video and i get pretty good battery life.
02:53:31preglowwe'd love nothing more than fix the pp502x power issue, so i can't imagine where on the web site it says we have no plans on fixing it
02:53:41ZeekDaGeekhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus
02:53:42ZeekDaGeekIt said right there
02:53:46ZeekDaGeekpreviously
02:53:49ZeekDaGeekwhen i use to use rock box
02:53:51preglowwe've already fixed it on 1-3g ipods, newer ones are more complex
02:53:56ZeekDaGeekthat you guys werent working on the power issues
02:55:12preglowi don't see where it says we have no plans on addressing it...
02:55:22ZeekDaGeekPerviously it did.
02:55:26psycho_maniacoh i only got 12 hours on my ipod. i did a battery benchmark
02:55:38ZeekDaGeekAnd thats when i stopped using it
02:55:57ZeekDaGeekI got like 6 or 7 hours before :\
02:56:10ZeekDaGeekIt would be way low by the end of the day.
02:56:12preglowyou'll still only get something around that
02:57:02ZeekDaGeekShould make it so the screen goes off if after so long and just have it play without displaying anything.
02:57:05ZeekDaGeekThat'd save power
02:57:15preglowthat'd save almost nothing
02:57:20preglowthe lcd uses very little power
02:57:27preglowthe backlight is what sucks it down, but we've got that covered
02:57:46ZeekDaGeekyeah i know that.
02:58:37ZeekDaGeekAnd little power adds up still... and what about all the calculations the cpu needs to do on displaying current proccess persents and stuff... i'm thinking thats where it would save
02:58:55preglowthe problem is almost certainly that somewhere inside the portalplayer chip, there are some unused components we don't shut down
02:59:03preglowbut since we don't even know they exist, we can't shut them off
02:59:17ZeekDaGeekI got an idea! :D
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02:59:27preglowthe ipods run the same code as our other targets, and on most other targets, rockbox has better battery life than the default firmware
02:59:30ZeekDaGeek*steals psycho's ipod and takes it appart*
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03:00:03psycho_maniaci wouldnt care. i love my gigabeat
03:00:24ZeekDaGeekOkay, mail it to the following address....
03:00:47psycho_maniacheh
03:01:28ZeekDaGeekHrm. iPod linux is an evil system... trying to format stuff >:O
03:02:33ZeekDaGeekHave to make a portal though that way you could have ipod linux, rockbox and default installed then pick between which ever
03:03:45ZeekDaGeekSo defragged, completely removed rockbox bootloader which seemed to be the source, and cleaned up my ipod... maybe now it'll work faster...
03:04:11ZeekDaGeekI really should of cleaned up before i defragged...
03:04:12ZeekDaGeek>:
03:06:48ZeekDaGeekI'm going to miss rockbox's solitare. ;-;
03:07:07psycho_maniacNobody is stopping you from uninstalling it.
03:07:18ZeekDaGeekalready did.
03:07:20ZeekDaGeek:D
03:07:59ZeekDaGeekAnd i think you mean no one is forcing you to uninstall o.o makes more sence in my head atleast.
03:08:20psycho_maniacheh your right.
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03:12:30ZeekDaGeekThere can be only one. *kicks thegeeks peer'd corpse*
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03:19:07tate_Hey all, I've got a Sansa E260 that I'm trying to install rockbox on, but the utility can't seem to detect it.
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03:19:19tate_I've tried it in linux and then VISTA
03:19:54tate_It definetely works; it powers up when plugged-in to my computers
03:20:03tate_so it works.
03:20:50psycho_maniachaybe its an R series?
03:21:09advcomp2019tate_, you might even have a v2
03:21:19psycho_maniacoh did you select the correct usb setting in the original firmware?
03:22:53ZeekDaGeekDid you try jumping up and down and yelling at the device untill it stopped sleeping on the job?
03:23:25ZeekDaGeekI think I'll just go, my problem is fixed and my random comments are lame :D
03:24:08psycho_maniachow do you add a checkmark in a wiki page?
03:24:10tate_I tried the two different modes
03:24:20tate_There's MTP and the other one
03:24:23tate_neither works
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03:25:11ZeekDaGeekNot knowing much about the structure but I think its a normal Wiki image linked to the checkmark image.
03:27:03ZeekDaGeekOh oh oh
03:27:10ZeekDaGeekWheres the guy i was fighting with...
03:27:44ZeekDaGeekprelow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus?rev=61 −− Quote: " Battery Life Not started"
03:28:11ZeekDaGeekWell automatic update tells me to restart so i must obay
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03:30:50advcomp2019tate_, you need to have in MSC mode but that is weird that it does not work
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03:41:04countrymonkeyI'm just watching, I am bored, I want to see what you all are up to.
03:43:20countrymonkeyHow come nobody is talking?
03:44:17Aloneawell, we would talk, but your here. *wink*
03:44:53countrymonkeyHey, is there a way in which you can get 1 cfg file to be used for 1 dirrectory of files and another to be used in another dirrectory without manually changing them?
03:45:18countrymonkeySo what if i'm here
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03:46:00psycho_maniacyou mean for like sorting files?
03:46:16Aloneacountrymonkey: just taking the piss hun. sure the chatter will start back up eventually.
03:46:32countrymonkeyOh no. I want one cfg file for 1 dir and another cfg file for another dir.
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03:47:34psycho_maniacwhat settings do you want in them?
03:48:33countrymonkeymI want shuffle on and play selected first off and crossfade always in my music dirs, and I want all those settings in reverse for my audiobook dirs
03:49:34mister_pinkHi, I've just finished reinstalling my linux setup, run the script to set up my build environment and tried a build to test it and I get loads of errors along the lines of "warning: pointer targets in initialization differ in signedness". Any ideas why?
03:50:38psycho_maniacthe only think i can think of is to make these cfg files WITH JUST THESE settings and save them with # on top and then when you enter that folder click on that to load these settings.
03:51:12countrymonkeyThanks. But could this be automatic?
03:52:31psycho_maniacas of now, no. check the patch tracker.
03:53:02mister_pinkcountrymonkey: I'm sure it could be, and it's not actually a terrible idea so someone might take it up and write a patch.
03:53:38countrymonkeyI'm adding a feature request. When I come back from the bathroom.
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03:57:33mister_pinkMore info on my build problem (although I say problem, it does actually build just with a truck load of warnings): the sim builds fine. I'm going to bed now but I'll check the logs in the morning so thanks in advance!
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04:02:25countrymonkeyThere. I added 8304.
04:08:57psycho_maniacanybody know the wiki page that show syou how to use images just by doing something like %Y% ?
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04:26:21McEnroewhat filesystems does rockbox support?
04:26:30karashataFAT32
04:26:37McEnroeonly?
04:26:42karashatayes
04:26:42scorcheyes
04:27:00psycho_maniacand it will NEVER support anything else.
04:27:11scorcheofficially at least
04:27:42McEnroebut not very good, does it? at least windows wants to format my ipod because it can't find a filesystem. linux can't repair it, but at least mount it
04:28:19scorchewhat does that have to do with rockbox?
04:29:27McEnroebecause rockbox kills the filesyste,
04:29:41scorcheno it doesnt
04:29:57*karashata has been using Rockbox for several months now and never had *any* issues with file system corruption or the like
04:30:46McEnroei had this kind of stuff 3 times. once under windows once under linux and once both. i _always_ umounted it correctly
04:31:07scorcheRockbox does not kill the filesystem
04:31:43scorchei very much doubt a bug like that would show up on only one (that we have heard about) out of thousands of users
04:32:01scorchehave you run the disk under a diagnostic?
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04:37:12McEnroescorche: like what
04:41:03DogBoyheh, I'd be more inclined to blame windows
04:41:30DogBoywithout any evidence it's a mute point
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05:33:19psycho_maniacanybody know a wiki page that has a table with multiple comments in it ?
05:36:02psycho_maniaci wanna know the best way to put multiple comments on a table
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06:03:51tkoodamy F40 w/rockbox appears to be hung and I can't turn it off?? -hitting any buttons wakes up the lcd for a few seconds and lights up the side buttons, but tapping/holding any* of them (or even the "hold" switch) have zero affect??
06:04:14Mouser_XTurn it off with the battery switch?
06:04:25Mouser_X(That's on the bottom, by the serial port.)
06:04:56tkoodaaah, yah. success. forgot about that switch. worked. odd though.
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06:05:24Mouser_XWhat were you doing at the time to cause this?
06:05:51Mouser_XI've had it happen on mine occasionaly, but it's pretty rare.
06:05:58tkoodawas in usb mode, and might have unplugged usb before unmounting it
06:06:24Mouser_XThat might do it. Though, I can't say I've had that problem.
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06:10:37tkoodathanks.. later
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07:03:39pezzhey. i was wondering if the ipod nano version had a sleep timer feature
07:04:39Mouser_XI don't know, I don't have an iPod. However, I'm of the impression that it does. But I'm probably wrong. Check the manual, I would assume that information could be found in there.
07:05:19pezzWould it be a plugin?
07:05:44Mouser_XI have no idea on that one at all... Sorry.
07:06:02Mouser_XPersonally, I'd assume it'd be in the settings somewhere, but I really don't know.
07:06:25scorchepezz: it does have that feature
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07:06:33pezzActually thanks I found it
07:06:53Mouser_XYay. (@ pezz finding it, and me being right that it does have that feature.)
07:07:35pezzI thought it was called something else. But thanks for directing me to the manual.
07:08:21pezzNow I could go to sleep worryfree. Good night!
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07:13:17ptwwhere in the trunk is sendfirm.c for the gigabeat S?
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07:15:10Mouser_Xptw: check the commits 4 weeks back? It might still be there?
07:15:18Mouser_X(I really don't know.)
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07:16:06ptwi found it
07:16:13ptwlots of progress
07:16:21Mouser_XGood.
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07:34:02LucidI've found that the server of IRC logs of #gigabeat(http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/) has been down for few days
07:35:16scorcheLucid: it would be better to ask in there
07:37:15Lucidscorche: OK, thanks.
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08:02:14Mr_Ti have a quick question, does an iriver h10 have to be in ums mode to use rockbox?
08:04:25Mr_Tanyone?
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08:04:48Mr_Thello?
08:04:58karashatato put it simple, yes
08:05:06Mr_Tcool thx
08:05:10karashatano problem
08:05:12Mr_Twill change it over:D
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09:58:22karl__I want to put puzzle bobble / frozen bubble on my iriver h10 20gb model; i already have the latest build, but I don't see it listed in the games menu. How can i get it on?
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10:01:53GodEater_karl__: the rockbox plugin is called "bubbles"
10:02:05karl__ahh
10:02:08karl__thanks a bunch
10:02:12karl__i guess i just skipped over it
10:02:14karl__seeing it now
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10:03:54karl__i appreciate the help
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10:15:40phrdoes anyone know if the sansa c240 is supposed to automatically recharge (with the stock firmware, i haven't loaded rockbox yet) when i plug it into a powered usb port with no computer at the other end?
10:18:07karl__it should if it normally charges via usb
10:18:13karl__having a computer at the other end doesn't matter
10:18:21karl__as long as the power is flowing
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10:19:35phrhmm, i let it "charge" overnight and the battery meter is still at 1 bar
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10:20:30karl__you're sure the port is powered?
10:21:02karl__have any usb toys you can plug in to test it, like a light or something?
10:21:14phryeah, when i plug it in the screen lights up, and if the player is turned on when i plug it in, the battery icon starts pulsing up and down indicating that the thing is charging
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10:21:27karl__bad battery maybe
10:21:27phri don't have any other usb gadgets
10:21:36karl__it is definitely charging
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10:21:39karl__your battery might be bad
10:22:07phrpossibly bad battery, i just got the player as a refurb, is it likely they don't test or replace the battery when they refurbish?
10:22:26karl__i don't refurbish them myself, but i would say that there is a good chance
10:22:28phri bought 3 of the players (16 usd each) so i guess i'll open another one and try it
10:22:35karl__give it a go
10:22:36phri just hate lithium rechargeable batteries
10:22:48karl__i haven't used them much
10:23:01karl__i've had good luck so far
10:23:07phri hope there's an m200 rockbox port soon and that they make an 8 or 16 meg m200, it's my favorite player from a hardware point of view
10:23:17karl__if you have a warranty i would return it
10:23:34GodEater_ports to new targets only happen when people that own the hardware choose to do a port
10:23:35phrwell i'll try a different c240
10:23:45karl__or just let the battery die and ship it back saying it won't stay on for more than a few minutes
10:23:52phrgodeater, yeah, it looks like there's some active work being done on the m200
10:24:29phractually my other favorite player is the completely obscure frontier lab nex 3, but i gave mine to someone, i'd have to buy another one before i could try a port
10:24:30karl__what brand is that? I'm only seeing sony protoges
10:24:39phrwhich, frontier lab?
10:24:47karl__m200
10:24:50phrsansa
10:24:52phrsandisk
10:24:55phrgreat little player
10:25:13karl__the frontier labs one is minidisc or mp3?
10:25:24karl__ah
10:25:25phrfrontier labs = mp3
10:25:25karl__i see it
10:25:28karl__little orb thing
10:25:33phrwhich?
10:25:38phrhttp://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sandisk-Sansa-m260-4GB-Expandable-MP3-Player/2589221/product.html?cid=25608&fp=F
10:25:39karl__the nex 3
10:25:41phrthat's the m260
10:25:46phrnex3 looks like a belt pager, sort of
10:25:56karl__yeah, that's what i meant
10:25:57karl__ahh
10:26:06karl__a neighbor of mine has that one
10:26:11karl__we have a problem with it
10:26:12phrit's way underrated
10:26:19phri'd love to run RB on it
10:26:31phrthe firmware they ship with it isn't so great, i guess
10:26:34karl__you open the directory and it says there isnt enough space to open the directory
10:26:43phrbarf! i never saw that happen when i had one
10:26:44karl__says it needs 4mb free
10:26:50karl__even though there is nothing on it
10:26:57phrweird
10:26:58karl__i haven't fiddled with it much
10:27:03phrtry reformatting or something
10:27:04karl__possible i could reformat it and solve issues
10:27:04karl__yeah
10:29:02phrhere's my big rant about mp3 player hardware
10:29:03phrhttp://forums.neurostechnology.com/index.php?topic=7189.msg39414#msg39414
10:30:51karl__not in the mood now, but thanks
10:32:14phrnp :)
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10:34:00GodEater_I thoroughly disagree with your battery sentiments.
10:34:49karl__oh?
10:35:02karl__please offer your opinion then
10:35:14GodEater_and noise cancellation too
10:35:30ZagorAA/AAA batteries are only nice if you don't care about size
10:35:35GodEater_I'm not interested in having to swap the batteries out ever. Li-Ion is a perfectly good solution.
10:35:43GodEater_and noise cancellation is just rubbish.
10:35:58phri use noise cancellation headphones all day at the office, i couldn't live without them
10:36:01GodEater_get decent earbud headphones with around 15dB of isolation and it's WAY better
10:36:14karl__uh oh
10:36:14Zagorin the old archos units, AA cells made perfect sense. they were so bulky anyway. but for newer smaller players, it's impossible.
10:36:16karl__headphone wars
10:36:20phrand li ion is great if you want to throw out your player once your battery stops holding a charge, like mine the first day i got the player :)
10:36:26phrzagor, the m200 is smaller than the c240
10:36:31karl__Zagor: the iriver AA models work great
10:36:32phror at least weighs less
10:36:32GodEater_don't be daft - get a new Li-Ion battery
10:36:44GodEater_my iRiver's lasted for two years, and then I got a new one.
10:36:44phrweren't you saying you don't want to swap them out?
10:36:46karl__small enough
10:36:55GodEater_not every other day no
10:37:01GodEater_I don't mind doing it once every two years
10:37:17karl__the old archos units blew
10:37:30karl__just die out half way through a song
10:37:33karl__took all night to charge
10:37:48karl__good for the time
10:37:55karl__but thumbs down
10:38:03phrshrug. i swap out my m200 battery about once a week, don't see what the big deal is. i have a 4-pack of them on my desk (nimh) and eventually get around to taking the flat ones home to recharge
10:38:11Zagorkarl__: I still use my archos every day
10:38:24karl__Zagor: which model?
10:38:30Zagorrec20
10:38:33phryeah, the archos is pretty useless by today's standards
10:38:37phrrec20 is the one you want
10:38:44GodEater_phr: you're saying (in that post) that having it use AA batteries is the killer feature - I'm just saying I disagree with you, and wouldn't buy a player like that.
10:39:12karl__i had the studio i think
10:39:56phrgodeater, sure, i understand there's lots of folks out there who don't understand that simple truth, i've given up on trying to convince them, i just don't see why anyone likes lithium. it's just awful. it's perfectly ok to build a nimh charger into a player to charge internally, if you don't want to swap the cell out in order to charge it.
10:40:07karl__i really liked my iriver h100 but the headphone jack only works in one channel unless i press down on the jack, and the line out is noisy
10:40:32Zagorphr: it's not a "truth", it's your opinion.
10:40:36GodEater_if people require "convincing" then it's not a simple truth - it's simply your opinion
10:40:45GodEater_heh - beat me to it Zagor
10:41:12karl__i liked my little iriver
10:42:01ShaidI have a set of sennheiser in-ear isolating earphones. best investment for public transport music listening I've ever made.
10:42:09GodEater_Shaid: me too
10:42:37GodEater_and mine are the cheap ones that Sennheiser do too - only around 10dB isolation
10:42:41Shaidnoise isolation + not looking like a cyberman = win
10:42:47GodEater_yep
10:43:18GodEater_I tried out Febs uber Shure ear buds and the isolation on those was fantastic
10:43:33GodEater_couldn't hear a damn thing from the outside world, even with the music off!
10:43:44karl__aa powered
10:43:44karl__great battery life
10:43:44karl__light weight
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10:43:44karl__i don't have money to spend on the ipods
10:43:44karl__as far as smaller lithium players
10:43:44phrshrug
10:43:44phrgodeater what don't you like about the m200? have you used one?
10:43:44phrkarl, the m200 is smaller/lighter than the c240 and the ipod nano. it's bigger than the shuffle but the shuffle has no display, no ui etc.
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10:43:44karl__phr: i've held one
10:43:44***Alert Mode level 2
10:43:44karl__the nano plays video.
10:43:44DBUGEnqueued KICK phr
10:43:44phri just haven't felt any desire to make the m200 smaller and i'd be perfectly happy with it if it were slightly bigger
10:43:50karl__woa
10:43:51phrif i want to watch video i'll buy a tv set
10:43:52GodEater_not sure I'm about to drop $500 on earphones though
10:43:53karl__i must be lagged
10:43:57Shaidfunny
10:44:02ShaidI think one of the servers is lagged
10:44:07GodEater_phr: where did I say I didn't like the m200 ?
10:44:13karl__i connected to mesra.kl.my.dal.net
10:44:15karl__er
10:44:16karl__not
10:44:26karl__cause this is freenode durr
10:44:46Zagorwhat are the biggest AAA batteries these days? 1150mAh?
10:45:27GodEater_aren't all those AA/AAA batteries still using NiCad ?
10:45:28phrzagor i dunno, probably more like 1000, i'm using 800 mah eneloops and they run the player for dunno, 12+ hours at least
10:45:30phrnimh
10:45:35GodEater_i.e. suffer from memory effects ?
10:45:36Zagorthat's 1.72 Wh. the stock sansa c240 battery is 2.0 Wh, with replacements available at 2.4 Wh
10:45:59phryeah, replacements at 20 bucks each vs replacement aaa nimh at 2 bucks each
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10:46:20karl__i think the lithium is probably cheaper
10:46:31karl__how often do you have to replace a lithium?
10:46:40phrwell it sounds like i need a replacement right now...
10:46:52GodEater_karl__: see above - 2 years for me
10:46:53phrand this is with a player i bought last week
10:46:58Zagorkarl__: i've never replaced any of my lithiums
10:47:13karl__Zagor: i've never had to replace them in my jukebox players
10:47:22phri also need replacement lithiums for each of my 2 cell phones, and for my laptop
10:47:27phrlithium just sucks
10:47:32Zagorkarl__: I have
10:47:45Zagorthose original green ones don't last forever
10:47:47karl__i've only used one frequently for about two years though
10:47:49karl__ahh yeah
10:47:50karl__in the archos
10:47:57karl__i bought mine on ebay and it came with extras
10:47:59phralso i had a compaq pda, and the internal lithium crapped out about a month after i bought it
10:48:13karl__phr: i think you just have a bad track record
10:48:35CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:48:35*markun thinks the same
10:48:39karl__buying stuff and it just dies on you
10:48:39phrand i had a canon digicam that i gave away after replacing the lithium cell for about the 3rd or 4th time at 15+ bucks a pop. i replaced it wiht an AA powered model
10:48:59phrand every other cell phone i've had over the years also ate batteries
10:49:03Zagorin summary, replacement cost isn't an issue because neither type requires replacement within the first several years. which is about as long as 90% of people keep one player anyway.
10:49:12GodEater_yep
10:49:16phr1 week = several years???
10:49:22markunphr: yes
10:49:24phrmy c240 already needs a replacement
10:49:30karl__it's a trick with quantum theory
10:49:33GodEater_you're citing only your own experience here
10:49:33phrhehe
10:49:40GodEater_90% of uses don't have your issues
10:49:41phrwell in my experience, lithium sucks
10:49:47GodEater_you're one person
10:49:50Zagorphr: oh for hecks sake, you got a dud. get over it.
10:49:52phr90% of users throw away their players when the battery dies
10:49:59karl__phr: it's pretty cool if you throw it in water though
10:49:59markunphr: what lasts several years for normal people lasts about 1 week (or at most a few months) for you
10:50:04GodEater_you already said it was a refurb anyway
10:50:05Zagorphr: no, they throw it away before the battery dies
10:50:19Zagorbecause they bought a new shiny toy instead
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10:50:31karl__I'm more familiar with hand-me-down players
10:50:35karl__vs dumpster
10:51:05phrwhy should anyone have to buy a new mp3 player once they have one that works? it's not like a laptop where there's serious technical advances. my sony cassette recorder from the 1980's is just as good as the ones they make now
10:51:23karl__my headphone jack is dying on an iriver
10:51:31GodEater_it's not about "having" to - it's about "wanting" to
10:51:32karl__if you have a hard drive player, it is a working part
10:51:33Zagorphr: what world are you living in?
10:51:46karl__if you have a flash player, flash goes bad after so many writes
10:51:47ShaidI dunno, does it take those 'newfangled' metal cassettes?
10:51:53phrkarl, yeah, flash is a huge advance over hard drives
10:52:03phrshaid, yeah the tc-d5m uses metal
10:52:03karl__still wears thin
10:52:14phrkarl, the nex 3 uses an SD card that's why it's my favorite
10:52:25karl__that's kinda cool
10:52:28phrthough nobody is likely to ever overwrite flash in an mp3 player millions of times
10:52:51markun... because the battery dies, right?
10:53:22karl__zing
10:53:27phrkarl the nex 3 is practically perfect, it uses one AAA cell and an SD card, its only probs are sucky firmware and inability to use SDHC. but both of those can be fixed with rockbox
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10:53:58markunphr: do you think there are enough users interested to work on a rockbox port?
10:54:10markundo you know what's inside? ARM?
10:54:20phrkarl, no really, i mean i don't write stuff on my m200 very often, i listen to the stuff that's on it and once in a while delete old stuff and add new stuff. and if it had more flash i'd just add stuff instead of deleting
10:54:28GodEater_I'm also not interested in flash as storage until I can get upwards of 50GB of storage
10:54:33phrmarkun, i think it has an arm inside. afaik nobody is really interested in it except me
10:54:49karl__GodEater: for sure
10:54:57phrgodeater, there are 32gb sdhc cards announced, to be available in a few months. two of them and you've got 64gb
10:55:13karl__makes nice boot disks though
10:55:29phri sort of think of getting a nokia n800 on closeout (it has two sdhc slots)
10:56:08phrmarkun, i have a nexblack now (frontier's bigger and clunkier player) so i might open it up and take some photos
10:56:19karl__nokia e70 is where it is at
10:56:22phre70?
10:56:27karl__for sure
10:56:43GodEater_phr: Sure - and how much is that going to cost me ?
10:56:50markunfor me "why should anyone have to buy a new mp3 player once they have one that works?" also applies to phones
10:56:51phrwhich, the nex3?
10:57:03karl__i haven't found a phone i really like
10:57:05Shaidthe 2x 32gb sdhc cards.
10:57:18*markun likes his nokia 1100
10:57:19karl__...i guess i need something like rockbox for my phone
10:57:21phrmarkun, yes, i liked my old nokia 5185 just fine but lost it
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10:57:41phrshaid, 16gb sdhc cards are about 135 bucks right now
10:57:41karl__software/firmware on phones sucks
10:57:48phrso about 8 bucks/gb
10:57:48karl__hopefully android will be slick
10:57:57phr64gb will set you back about as much as an iphone
10:58:10phrand it will keep getting cheaper
10:58:18phrfor audio i'm satisfied with 16gb for the time being
10:58:18markunor a really crappy car
10:58:51phryou ever see that iphone vs nokia review? i think it's that same nokia phone
10:58:57karl__yeah
10:58:58phrmaddox
10:59:02karl__on thebestpageintheuniver
10:59:06phryeah that guy
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11:00:27phri still have an old motorola flip phone in my drawer
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11:00:42ZagorGodEater_: toshiba plans mass production of 32-128GB 1.8" flash drives in may 2008. http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2007_12/pr1001.htm
11:00:50phrkewl
11:01:14phrmlc? sheesh
11:01:27Zagorprobably not cheap though :)
11:02:00phryeah, they're charging more for those things since they're considered high end
11:02:09phrbut using MLC sort of defeats the purpose
11:03:05Zagoryou prefer SLC?
11:03:06*GodEater_ is none the wiser. I have no idea how much an iphone costs
11:03:24phrSLC=fast and expensive, MLC=slow and cheap
11:03:32phrif you want slow and cheap, use a hard drive :)
11:03:38phrfor audio players MLC is fine
11:03:42markunor MLC
11:03:45Zagorslow is relative
11:03:54Zagorit's still a heck of a lot faster than a harddrive
11:04:02markunphr: what's the advantage of a HDD over MLC?
11:04:12Zagorprice
11:04:14GodEater_cost ? :)
11:04:16phrfaster transfer rates and cheaper
11:04:21phrMLC has quite slow transfer rates
11:04:55phri broke down and bought an SLC pen drive and it's at least 5x faster than the MLC one that i used to have
11:05:10phrbut i'm mostly interested in SSD's for servers
11:05:18phrand the idea there is to get max speed
11:05:18*GodEater_ wonders why this super speed is so important
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11:05:36phrwell for audio it's not important and mlc is great
11:05:40GodEater_presumably you're copying content from a hard drive somewhere - which will limit the speed of the data arriving in the first place
11:06:05karl__you're going to get choked there or at the bus
11:06:07phrgodeater, flash is MUCH SLOWER than hd for data transfer
11:06:14Zagorphr: the idea is to get a floppy the size of your fingernail for pocket change. speed is very distant second.
11:06:18phrit's faster at seeking (it has no seek delay)
11:06:41GodEater_most of the data I use is on a network anyway - which is slower still
11:06:58phrzagor, the main ssd application up til recently has been to replace the hard drives in high-end servers in order to get rid of the seek delay
11:07:12*GodEater_ wonders who uses such servers
11:07:21Zagorphr: again, what world are you living in?
11:07:32Bagderssd drives tend to not be good in servers
11:07:41Bagderthey write too much
11:07:43GodEater_I've never heard of such a thing, and we have some pretty high end toys here
11:08:28phrbagder, see this page http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/20/conventional_hard_drive_obsoletism/page7.html
11:08:30*markun turned 28 today and feels old
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11:08:38GodEater_markun: get real :)
11:08:41Bagdermarkun: congratulations!
11:08:51markunyes, nothing compared to you guys ;)
11:08:54*GodEater_ passes virtual beer around
11:09:15markunGodEater_: I'll save some for after (or during the last part) of work :)
11:09:32Bagderphr: well, several tests have shown server-use to not gain from ssd
11:09:32GodEater_phr: that page doesn't show real world usage though - no-one would be mad enough to run a production web server on such a system
11:09:51phrwell i may be trying it soon :)
11:09:55Bagderand the database tests there agree with me ;-)
11:10:04Bagdernot that it matters
11:10:30phryeah, the sata version of that drive is supposed to be even faster
11:10:34*Bagder returns to poking code
11:10:41phrand there are some much more expensive ones that are supposedly faster still
11:11:48phranyway at least for my application (search engine) there's a tremendous read seek load and not too much writing, so the ssd seems very promising and i definitely want to try one
11:13:02Zagorthe read and write speeds of Toshiba large block MLC NAND are 13.55 MB/s and 2.5 MB/s, respectively −− http://www.toshiba.com/taec/news/press_releases/2004/to-420_2.jsp
11:13:04phralso until recently, ssd's have been made from ram, rather than flash
11:13:25phrzagor, maybe with enough parallel mlc chips they can compete with hd's
11:13:33Zagori.e. more than usb2 speed. so your thumbdrive experience is rather due to controller differences rather than mlc/slc
11:13:53phrzagor 2.5MB/s is way slower than usb2 speed
11:14:02Zagorthat's writing
11:14:19Zagornobody ever said writing flash was fast
11:14:20phryeah, writing is where my older pen drive was pathetic
11:14:27phrzagor, the new one i got is fast :)
11:14:59Zagoreverything is relative
11:15:10phrwell, it's 5x faster than the old one
11:15:14phrmaybe more than 5x
11:15:27Zagorthe point we started with is, OF COURSE the 128GB disk is mlc. anything else would be silly.
11:15:27phrbut still much slower than a hd
11:15:38phrwhat's silly about 128gb of slc?
11:15:42Zagorthe cost
11:16:01phr128gb of slc would cost less than 2k today
11:16:18Zagoryeah, and that's silly
11:16:36phrmlc would be maybe half that
11:17:21phrthese ssd's are way overpriced because of their exoticness is all i can guess
11:17:30phrbut a 128k drive retails for around 4k
11:17:33phrnow THAT's silly
11:17:41phroops 128gb
11:17:59phrhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609245
11:18:03Zagorwell it's not like it's a huge market
11:18:07phr3.3k
11:18:35phryeah, i have a 16gb CF card with an ide adapter that i haven't gotten around to trying in a server
11:18:46phrbut it was around 220 bucks iirc
11:18:54phrand that was around 6 months ago
11:19:36karl__don't you max out your ide bus?
11:19:39karl__so what is the point?
11:19:54phrno i think the xfer speed will still be much slower than a hard drive
11:20:00phrthe idea is to get rid of seek latency
11:20:35karl__ah
11:20:44karl__what kind of servers are you deploying these in?
11:20:50phrsearch engine
11:21:03karl__ah
11:21:07karl__makes more sense
11:22:12phryeah, for general purpose file storage the cost is ridiculous
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11:25:22phrre mp3 players, one nice thing about the nexblack is it has a fairly powerful analog output stage with good sound. i dunno if the nex 3 really compares
11:25:24amiconnide bus? in a server??
11:25:40phramiconn yeah, most boards still have ide connectors
11:25:43karl__well, fsb
11:25:47karl__depending
11:26:19phri'd only be using the cf card to experiment with. if it works then my boss would probably buy some sata ssd's
11:27:21Zagorhttp://www.rawimages.org/stuff/harddisk.jpg :-)
11:27:21phri'm reading the woot thread about headphones and all these nerds are praising the 1980's era sony mdr-v6 which is funny because i have one of those on my desk too
11:27:34phrhahahaha
11:31:03phrhttp://www.tebbo.com/pix/thelastone/TLO01.html
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11:36:18phrso has anyone here actually worked on porting rb to a new player? i'm interested in the nex 3 but don't have a clue how i'd get started
11:38:23Avedo you know what platform the nex3 is using
11:38:29Avelike portalplayer or so
11:39:14phrave, i don't know, i gave away my nex3 but am now thinking of buying another one. i do have the impression it's an arm core of some sort
11:39:30Avepp has arm core afaik
11:39:38Avebut..
11:42:33phr?
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11:43:51phrhah, ipod nano spies on you
11:43:52phrIf you enhance your workout with the new Nike+ iPod Sport Kit, you may be making yourself a surveillance target.
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11:45:29webguest03anyone with a H120 and H140 here ?, are the tiny screws which secure the side panels identical on both models ?
11:45:30jottstupid(?) question: how to i add a "Related task" to a tracker entry? (The tab just shows a "Remove" button but no "Add" button)
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11:49:40Nico_Pjott: ah you may not have the right to
11:49:53Nico_PI'll do it
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11:50:12Nico_Pthanks :)
11:50:15webguest03info about the screws would be much appreciated and I do apologise for the OT'ishness
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11:55:02jottNico_P: thanks too :)
11:56:09peturwebguest03: the only difference between h120 and h140 is the hdd and the size of the back panel
11:56:24petur(afaik)
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12:22:32GodEater_does anybody know if building the Gigabeat S bootloader produces an nk.bin file which is ready to be transferred, or whether is still needs processing with mknkboot ?
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12:30:58markunCasainho_: from RockBoxPlayer: "... for lossy audio decoders like FLAC, ..."
12:31:10Casainho_yes?
12:31:23Casainho_what worng?
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12:31:29markunFLAC is not lossy
12:32:22BagderI also find the "ARM9 development boards are expensive" funny since I really don't think so
12:32:26Casainho_ah, okok :-) - can you rectifyu that?
12:32:46Bagderit all of course depends on your personal view of what expensive is
12:32:47Casainho_Bagder: can you say a price of one?
12:32:56markunWhat will SPI be used for?
12:33:01Casainho_well, I was comparing with $90
12:33:12Bagder90 is dirt cheap
12:33:21BagderI consider everything up to 500 cheap
12:33:27Bagderroughly
12:34:31Casainho_sorry, I live in Portugal, I have very low budget...
12:34:31markunCasainho_: do you know this project? http://www.lartmaker.nl/
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12:37:27BagderCasainho: a player doesn't _need_ RTC
12:38:01Bagderif your aiming for low cost, you should leave that out I guess
12:38:22markunOr put it in a nice-to-have list
12:39:18markunBagder: does FLAC require 32MB or RAM? Also just nice to have for battery time, right?
12:39:28Bagderor even make a list for a high-end player as a comparison...
12:39:35BagderFLAC hardly requires 32mb
12:40:08Bagderafaiu, Casainho aims for a flash player and then I suppose a player can have less memory without much badness happening
12:40:34LloreanWith a flash player, Rockbox ought to be able to get by with <4MB of RAM right?
12:40:45LloreanI know that the compressed buffer is often >28
12:40:46BagderI didn't say flac needs 32 mb, that's not correct in the page
12:41:19mrkikoWhat is the name of the player having the most big capacity, hard-disk based and available again on the market supported by rockbox
12:41:24Bagderthe page also mentions "usb hard disk" which is confusing to me
12:41:25mrkiko?
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12:41:45Bagdermrkiko: available as in manufactured still?
12:41:50Bagderis there any?
12:42:00mrkikoyes, manifactured...
12:42:14LloreanThere's not one, then
12:42:26Bagderis there a single rockbox-target still being made?
12:42:29LloreanCurrently all known Rockbox targets aren't being manufactured.
12:42:38LloreanThe v2s phased out the last of them with the Sansas
12:43:36mrkikoiPod videos are being made again...
12:43:45markunare they?
12:43:48Bagderreally?
12:44:06*Bagder detects that the "RockBoxPlayer" lacks NOR flash
12:44:09markunmrkiko: do you have any proof for this?
12:44:20markunBagder: it's a wiki :P
12:44:26Bagderyeah
12:44:56mrkikomarkun: ... I was thinking what player I will buy when my iRiver will leave me - I hope this will nver happen
12:45:32markunmrkiko: I was talking about proof that the ipod video is being made again
12:45:57mrkikomhm...
12:46:05mrkikoI don't know the meaning of "proof"
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12:46:22Bagderall we know is that the ipod classic is made
12:46:29mrkikoNo: it's a supposition. I can find it in many shops here...
12:46:50Bagdermany of these players can still be found in shops...
12:47:11Bagdermarkun: so I edited it ;-)
12:47:32mrkikomh... it's a sad thing ...
12:47:57GodEater_also, the ipod classic is easily confused with the ipod video
12:48:17GodEater_a lot of people keep thinking that the classic is a video, and wondering why Rockbox does not work on it
12:49:01*pondlife wonders why the H300 Cabbie 2 theme zip contains several "thumbs.db"
12:49:05markunBagder: is the SPI controller used tot talk to the flash memory?
12:49:17GodEater_pondlife: because the author wasn't careful when he zipped it ?
12:49:25pondlifeIndeed.
12:49:30Bagdermarkun: yes, for the 8MB serial flash
12:49:42Bagderthere's also a 8MB parallell flash on that dev board it seems
12:50:14markunBagder: but that's not needed in a MP3 player, is it?
12:50:22markunat least not both I would think
12:50:27Bagdernot at all
12:50:42Bagderit would only need some for the bootloader
12:51:30BagderI believe the biggest ones in our existing targets have 4MB
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12:53:14markunthe Gigabeat has 1MB
12:53:58Bagderh300 has 4MB
12:55:20GodEater_hmm
12:55:23GodEater_I must be stupid
12:55:40GodEater_I can't make Nico's "dual boot" feature on the Gigabeat S work
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12:59:41preglowcould someone tell me how to automatically reorder a lang file to be correct in comparison to english.lang? :/
12:59:47preglowor doesn't it matter?
12:59:53Bagderit doesn't matter
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13:01:14preglowi wonder how it ended up so randomly ordered it the first place
13:01:24pondlifeHmm, just hard-locked my H300 by skipping backwards :/ I'll see if I can repro.
13:01:41LinusNpreglow: we reordered english.lang but not the others
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13:05:25pixelmapreglow: reordered by langV2
13:06:07pondlifeWhy don't we have a default viewer for bmp files? rockpaint, at least..?
13:07:28pixelmathe problem is that genlang doesn't mark differences in the dest and voice part (at least not if "featerexyz:" is missing and it's hard to find all differences if the order is not the same as in english.lang
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13:08:06Bagderwe should probably switch to rasher's xml-based thing and then fix that bug
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13:10:28preglowyes indeed
13:10:42preglowi did my yesterday sync with his webtool
13:10:46preglowcool thing, made it quicker too
13:10:55preglowi definitely think tools are the way to go for lang files in the future
13:11:36BagderI agree
13:12:12preglowmuch easier to pick up differences that way, even subtle ones, and the editing itself is much, much quicker
13:12:33Bagderdoes it support saving half-baked works?
13:13:05markuna friend told me about a BGA socket they are using in their project. A shame they are so expensive.
13:13:19preglowi think it does, it just gives you a patch when you say you're done
13:13:53Bagderbga socket is kind of a fun oxymoron ;-)
13:14:01markunhttp://www.chipscalereview.com/issues/0403/f2_01.php
13:14:37markunbut they use this one: http://www.ironwoodelectronics.com/catalog/Process/GHz_BGA_Sockets.html
13:17:01Bagderin my projects, they just nail the bga there and then you live with it ;-)
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13:17:21markun:)
13:17:51Bagderthe joy of being sw-guy: you get to whine on the hw
13:18:00pondlifelol
13:19:07dexhi, is there a need to buy expensive hardware to port rockbox (besides a computer and the target)? do i need a development kit?
13:19:30Bagderdex: it totally depends on your target, but most often you just download free software and use that
13:19:43LinusNdex: you most often only need a target device
13:21:46dexno need for JTAG?
13:22:22LinusNnot always
13:22:43LinusNwe have only used jtag for 2 targets, to my knowledge
13:25:56pondlifeamiconn: You were saying how unstable the current playback engine is, and I think I agree with you. Do you have any reproducible crash recipes?
13:27:36amiconnColdfire freezes a lot, even without playback
13:27:48pondlifeI'm on H300, so that fits.
13:28:02pondlifeI suspect dircache.
13:28:11amiconnI got at least 5 freezes during the last few days, just by browsing the menu or plugins etc
13:28:20pondlifeVoice enabled at all?
13:28:25amiconnyes
13:28:25pondlifeI don't...
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13:28:54amiconnVoiced menus + dirnames incl. talk clips
13:28:55pondlifeBut no reproducible method, just random hard locks?
13:29:00amiconnyes
13:29:11pondlifeAh, .talk clips are known broken, no?
13:29:15amiconnPaperclip required on irivers
13:29:23pondlifeYes, that's what I see
13:29:26pondlifeBut no voice enabled
13:29:30amiconnNo, they are working fine
13:29:36pixelmasame on my M5
13:29:55pondlifeHmm, I thought you said you had a reliable lock-up using .talk on PP
13:30:04*pondlife is probably out-of-date though
13:30:08DefineByteregarding the manual: can someone clarify what \index{foo} is used for. Is it merely what the index will use as a heading for that section?
13:30:34pixelmabut I only recently started using .talk clips (on M5). I wonder if that's related...
13:31:02amiconnAtm I don't use non-cf swcodec enough to know whether random freezes happen there too
13:31:09pondlifeI wonder if http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6239 helps?
13:31:14amiconnPP5002 is broken, but that's a different problem
13:32:17LinusNi use my x5 regularly and i haven't seen any hangs or crashes, but then i don't use voice
13:32:17pondlifei.e loading a talk clip while the previous one is still being output to PCM
13:32:44pondlifeMy H300 has crashed twice today, and about 6 times in the past week
13:32:58pondlifeNot using voice, but always during playback
13:33:04pondlifeNormally when skipping
13:33:13pondlifeAlthough once for no good reason
13:33:38pondlifeSeems to be mainly when it's just started up and dircache is scanning
13:34:14pondlifeI'm running with a silly playlist of 35000 entries
13:34:55Zagorgosh, iphone runs at 620MHz
13:35:27pixelmahmm... the freezes I see are just during browsing, not during letting it play
13:35:32DefineByteanyone here familiar with LaTeX?
13:36:04pondlifepixelma: But only if you have .talk clips enabled? Maybe you could experiment...
13:36:37pixelmacan't answer this question just now, it really needs some experimenting, yes
13:36:46pondlifeIndeed.
13:37:57preglowDefineByte: somewhat
13:38:14peturamiconn, pondlife: I don't use any voice functions and have not had any hardlocks recently
13:38:27pondlifepetur: Do you use dircache?
13:38:31peturyes
13:38:49pondlifeOK, so you're in a similar setup as me, except mine crashes :/
13:39:14TuplanollaEww, Rockbox stopped working on my Sansa e280. :/
13:39:34peturI'll have to double-check the dircache setting then but haven't got my h380 with me here, will check tonight
13:40:00TuplanollaI'm using the latest cpchan rockbox. I was just browsing the database when some error message came.
13:40:16pondlifeTuplanolla: We only support the normal build here
13:40:21DefineByteis \index{foo} used just when building the index? i.e. I can rename '\index{Boot loader}' to '\index{Bootloader}' and all that will happen is the heading in the index will change? There'll be no dead links anywhere?
13:40:26Tuplanollapondlife: Ok, thanks.
13:40:32pondlifeTry with that and report back
13:40:33amiconnI got those freezes both on H180 and H340. Not on X5, but I use that one a lot less than the irivers
13:41:22Tuplanollapondlife: The cpchan build worked like a week, then crashed.
13:41:44TuplanollaI'll try to reinstall that anyway.
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13:44:36DefineByteokay, I found the not so short introduction to LaTeX. I guess that answers my question. x)
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13:44:49Casainho_sorry - I was working busy
13:44:57Casainho_I did read all that you wrote
13:45:29Casainho_Bagder: please rectify the information that is not correct!! :-)
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13:45:40Casainho_leave a comment on the forum, If you want
13:46:19pondlifeCasainho_: Looks like Bagder just edited the wiki page ;)
13:46:31Casainho_:-) - I will see the changes :-)
13:47:30Casainho_hmmm... I talk at my company, later I can ask for a price to cosntruct this player - I will not get a positive answer since I don't have money to invest, however I will get one idea of the price :-)
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13:55:09Casainho_markun: no, I didn't know http://www.lartmaker.nl/
13:55:45Casainho_markun: what do you think are the advantages of that board? for this project?
13:57:08markunCasainho_: nothing really, maybe just for inspiration
13:57:52Casainho_do you know the price of her?
13:58:27markunCasainho_: nope, sorry
13:58:36Casainho_okok
13:59:08Casainho_I saw that ARM boards are very expensive, much more than the $90 of that chosed
13:59:53Casainho_however, I would like to know what is the minimum hardware to have a cheap player
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14:00:06Casainho_I will ask ideas in forum
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14:16:04GodEater_I wish Twiki had the "discussion page" feature that mediawiki does =/
14:25:38CaptainSquidwhy not using mediawiki then?
14:26:15GodEater_not my call
14:26:28GodEater_and there maybe a plugin for twiki which mimics that feature
14:34:48Casainho_It would be nice if Twiki have a log feature for edits, and also a discussion...
14:34:56Casainho_but discussion can hapen on forum
14:34:56GodEater_it already has a log
14:35:04GodEater_that what the revision history is at the bottom
14:35:24Casainho_I must starting use log funciton :-) :-) - thakno you
14:35:52GodEater_and imo have a discussion relating to a wiki page in the forums is a bit disjointed
14:36:12GodEater_having this feature of mediawiki is nice because it keeps the discussion right next to the page you're discussing
14:36:37Casainho_yes, yes, about discussion you are right
14:37:03Zagorthe main twiki site uses <topic>Discussion topics for that. not terribly elegant imho
14:38:21GodEater_shame =/
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14:57:44GodEater_anyone know where linuxstb has got to lately ?
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15:00:06kugelI wonder if the resize algorithm of pictureflow plugin can be ported to the WPS for AA resizing
15:02:16jottkugel: also see ticket 8308 .. i ported the imlib2 code to rockbox
15:02:26kugelI've read that
15:03:03kugelI've added a comment, I'm a bit confused o that task
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15:07:37kugeljott: can you explain that patch a bit for me?
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15:12:22jottkugel: ticket..
15:12:36jott(reply ;)
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15:13:42kugelthanks
15:14:06kugelwhen I compile that, can I remove bmp_resize patch from my build?
15:14:53jottno not exactly.. atleast not for now
15:15:24kugelSo, this can be used to resize the AA, but not at the moment?
15:15:47jottwell it can be used to resize any given "struct bitmap"
15:16:13jottit's not integrated anywhere for now, just the method and a test case
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15:16:57Lloreanjott: Scaling up, down, or either way, and is it better suited for either specifically?
15:18:03jottit's not agnostic, as it compares the sizes and uses different algorithms
15:18:18jottfor scaling up and down
15:19:18LloreanGotcha. Just thinking. If BMP resizing were in the core, scaling iconsets to font size might (at least in some cases) look nicer.
15:20:00jottpossibly. it would be nice to investigate indeed.
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15:31:03kugelAre the devs keen on a resize feature (maybe even in the core) or is it unlikely that any resize algorithm gets committed (i.e. Llorean doesn't like that since resizing pictures on a pc is much more efficient)
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15:33:26peturI'm for it. I have album art twice now, both big for the PC and small for rockbox. But I just got the album art to check it out, I don't really need it.
15:34:26pondlifeIt's not difficult to batch resize/convert
15:34:34pondlifeI vote for small core
15:34:43LloreanI think as long as the algorithm is small and fast enough, it should be okay
15:34:59LloreanI don't like asking people to have album art multiple times for various themes.
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15:35:37peturI'm not saying it is hard to batch resize, I'm saying it is stupid to have it in multiple sizes
15:35:45pondlifeI don't like the buffer size reductions I seem to have seen recently. Seems to be down from 29 to 25MB for some reason.
15:35:52LloreanOuch
15:35:52peturas I sync my whole music tree between pc and dap
15:35:55LloreanWhere'd we lose 4mb?
15:36:22pondlifePossibly quite a bit was my HD upgrade. 80GB and I usethe database.
15:36:38LloreanAaaah
15:36:41pondlifepetur: What about multiple formats? BMP/JPG.
15:36:44GodEater_and you filled the whole disk ?
15:36:50pondlifeNot yet :)
15:37:03pondlifeI could do
15:37:24peturpondlife: I could live with using BMP on the PC, diskspace is not a problem there
15:37:28pondlifeNice to have as a backup if nothing else.
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15:38:17pondlifeOK, I just find I normally obtain AA in JPG, so would need to convert it once at least
15:38:38pondlifeTypically, my PC copy is in "original" format/size
15:38:52pondlifei.e. as good a quality as I have managed to obtain
15:39:48pondlifeAnyway, yes, resize is ok as long as it's a small bit of code.
15:39:55pondlifeNo big buffers!
15:40:44peturjpg->bmp does not degrade quality I think
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15:40:58Lloreanjpg->bmp is just a waste of HD space, nothing more.
15:40:58pondlifeNope
15:41:07Lloreanpondlife: Agreed on the big buffer thing
15:41:30*GodEater_ wills Nico_P to reappear
15:41:33LloreanBut since we're using MOB anyway, you aren't wasting space unless you have album art already.
15:41:43pondlifeYes
15:41:52LloreanAnd I think what we were wanting was "resize on load, and resize in place in the buffer"
15:41:52pondlifeBut the resize must work inside that memory
15:42:35jottthe imlib2 currently uses approx ( LCD_WIDTH * 2 + LCD_HEIGHT ) * sizeof(fb_data) + LCD_HEIGHT * sizeof(fb_data*)...
15:42:44Lloreanjott: That's a lot.
15:43:02LloreanWell, not a *lot*
15:43:05jott:)
15:43:15jottit's a bit, yeah more than nothing ;)
15:43:20LloreanBut the kind of amount we'd like to avoid if possible.
15:43:56jottwell it's a tradeoff between memory footprint and performance
15:44:29LloreanWell within a plugin, memory footprint hardly matters.
15:44:38pondlifeBut in the core...
15:44:41jottand the buffer space user-allocatable..
15:44:46jott..could be..
15:45:00LloreanWithin the core, where most bitmaps should be resized once upon load, performance probably takes a back seat to footprint in some cases
15:45:08jottbut it would decrease the ease of use of such a method
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15:45:45LloreanA single resize of a 200x200 or less bitmap something like 5 or less times in a full buffer fill is not going to be a significant delay almost no matter how slow you're talking.
15:46:45lazerhello
15:47:31jottLlorean: yes it really depends on the use-case..
15:48:51Lloreanjott: If it were to be used within the core, though, the use case is almost entirely going to be on bitmaps loaded for themes such as icons (in a hypothetical future), or album art.
15:48:52markunpreglow: did you see the codec jmspeex is working on? http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis-dev/2007-December/019109.html
15:49:01jottbut as said the lookup table currently used could be put in a user-definable area..
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15:51:53preglowmarkun: yeah
15:51:55preglowmarkun: even tried it
15:52:53preglowbbl
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15:53:13lazeri`ve a question to rockbox-firmware. i have an ipod nano 1st generation. is it possible to control the ipod via my alpine full speed radio if rockbox is installed? or does this only work with orginal apple firmware? thanks
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15:56:50PaulJamLlorean: you mentione the possibility to resize icons to the fontsize. Would theis even work for icons that use transparency?
15:56:58GodEater_lazer: it's fairly probable that you'll only be able to do that in the original firmware
15:58:10markunPaulJam: with nearest neighbour it should work (and look pretty bad I think)
15:58:15LloreanPaulJam: I'm sure special cases would be needed both for the transparent and foreground colors
15:58:34lazerhm...
15:59:29markunlazer: we don't have support for the serial protocol used by a lot of ipod accesories
15:59:46markunlazer: here's some info about the things we do support http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
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16:00:04lazerok.thanks
16:00:10lazer:)
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16:02:32LloreanI'd imagine you'd have to do something like take a mono mask of the transparent color, scale that mono mask, replace the transparent color in the original image with something, scale it, then use the scaled mask to draw in new transparent pixels. (Note: I know very little about image scaling, just a wild guess)
16:03:23webguest27What is MoB? - it's not listed in IRC slang.
16:03:42GodEater_Metadata On Buffer
16:03:51markunwebguest27: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBuffer
16:04:02webguest27ok, thanks.
16:04:36GodEater_it's not really IRC slang, it's very specific to Rockbox
16:04:37jottwithout alpha-channel you will always get aliasing artifacts on the edges...
16:05:09Lloreanjott: But if you don't have alpha channel, aliasing artifacts are better than nothing.
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16:06:24jottthe easiest approach would probably be to just ignore pixels with the key-color..
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16:06:44LloreanIgnore them in what sense?
16:06:49jottand then either prefer them or neglect them
16:07:07LloreanAh
16:07:13jottignore them when interpolationg
16:07:49LloreanYeah, there are two key colors for bitmaps in Rockbox, generally. One for "Transparent" and the other for "Use the foreground color instead"
16:07:51*jott wonders if there is any kind of research papers about this :)
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16:09:43PaulJamdoes the special foreground colour work in the whole firmware? so could i use it for example in the wps or is it only for iconsets?
16:09:52LloreanPaulJam: I believe it works everywhere
16:10:07PaulJaminteresting. i didn't know that
16:10:08LloreanExcept backdrops, since special colors don't apply for them at all
16:10:54LloreanI suppose I might be wrong, it's a quick test. ;)
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16:14:19PaulJamit works (even though not for the backdrop as you already pointed out).
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16:31:11kugelis it due to my custom build, or does the spacing option in the pf hardly anything?
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16:34:25jottkugel: it does only scale the "empty slide" for now..
16:34:45kugelWhat do you mean with scale?
16:34:56jottarg sorry read scale not space :)
16:35:16jottno the spacing influences the space between the albums on the left and the right
16:36:07jottso settings this to 0 would make the stacks on the sides appear to be one single cover :)
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16:38:22kugelI've set it to 0, and to 100
16:38:25kugelno difference
16:38:38kugeltried it with centermargin 0,-50 and 50
16:38:40jottcould you post a screendump?
16:38:57kugelnote that I'm using a custom build
16:39:16jottwell as long as you did not patch pf it should not matter i suppose..
16:40:06kugelI patched it, in 1 line (bmp_read_file) to make it work with bmp_reisize. However I doubt that it affects the spacing settings
16:40:23kugelif you wait a few min, I'm gonna try a current build
16:40:23jottno, i don't think so ;)
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16:44:23kugelsame issue with a current build
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16:46:14jotthow big are the covers used and your screen?
16:47:07kugel100x100
16:47:31kugelscreen is 176x220
16:47:39kugel(e200)
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16:51:40kugelhttp://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump 071212-164438.bmp
16:52:20kugelhttp://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%20071212-164438.bmp
16:52:41kugelhttp://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%071212-164827.bmp <−− first one, just to be clickable
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16:52:56kugelno wait
16:53:21kugelhttp://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%071212-164438.bmp
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16:53:41kugelwtf
16:53:50kugelthe file name on my server is starting with 07
16:53:59kugelbut you have to have 2007 instead
16:54:03kugelOo
16:54:28DefineBytewill anyone commit FS #8309 for me?
16:54:40kugelhttp://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%20071212-164438.bmp
16:55:08kugelhttp://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/dump%20071212-164827.bmp
16:55:11kugelfinally
16:55:30kugeljott: the first one is with 0 spacing, the second with 100
16:55:41jottwell you only have one cover to the left and to the right visible :)
16:55:53kugelsure
16:55:56jotthence the parameter has no visual effect
16:56:15kugelso waht's spacing doing?
16:56:16jottas it defines the space of multiple covers to the left&right
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16:56:35kugelI thought it's the space between the center cover and the two next it it
16:56:45jottno thats center margin..
16:57:07kugelah
16:57:09jottit probably needs better titles..
16:57:15kugelI think I got it
16:57:22kugelquite confusing though
16:57:31kugeldefinetely
16:57:39jotta bit.. yes but hard to explain i guess ;)
16:57:51kugeltrue
16:57:52jottif you have ideas for better description you are welcome ;)
16:58:21kugelhmm
16:58:31kugelmaybe, since the one is center margin
16:58:42kugelthe spacing could be named to other margin or something :)
16:59:02jotthehe the "Other margin or something" setting ;>
16:59:09kugel^^
16:59:55kugelmargin between non-active covers
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17:00:19kugelthat fits imo, but it's a bit too long, isn't it?
17:00:25jottyeah rather long..
17:00:50jottyou see it's not that easy to find a catchy phrase :)
17:01:06kugelyea, I see
17:01:32kugelactive margin, and non-active margin maybe?
17:02:22kugelor center, non-center
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17:02:27jotthm maybe.. though the other setting is indeed more of a spacing than a margin ;)
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17:03:06kugeltrue, but most users won't discover the difference between the terminology in this case
17:03:12kugeli guess
17:03:22jottand those who do will complain :P
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17:03:31DefineBytespacing :)
17:03:52kugelthen change margin to spacing?
17:03:53kugel:D
17:04:11kugelindeed not easy, but just spacing is worse imo
17:04:34jottyeah i agree.. it's a bit misleading if you don't know what it's supposed to do..
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17:05:06jottwell anyway i'm off for a bit.. maybe you have a brilliant idea usability wise ;)
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17:05:42jott(maybe interactive settings so it is rendered while changing values?! ;-)
17:06:10kugelthe menu must be transperant for that, doesn't it?
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17:06:41Crash91theres a problem for me with pictureflow...i just wanna check if its documented
17:07:04DefineByteSomeone have a heart and commit FS #8309 for me. >.< It only changes folder/folders to directory/directories in the manual
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17:07:35Crash91if an album doesnt have an album cover, it displays the AA of the previous one
17:08:20DefineBytedoes rockbox have a default 'no cover' cover?
17:08:33kugelit does
17:08:40DefineBytegood good :)
17:10:56GodEater_it does ?
17:12:30kugelthere's a default cover
17:12:35GodEater_where ?
17:12:43kugelit's anywhere
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17:12:54GodEater_it has to be stored somewhere
17:12:58kugelit gets shown when there's no cover found for an album
17:13:01GodEater_RB can't summon it from thin air
17:13:18GodEater_that surely depends on the theme
17:13:30GodEater_the new "default" theme shows no cover at all if there's no AA for example
17:13:54kugelGodEater_: sure it's stored somewhere. I meant that there's no specific interaction needed to get it shown
17:14:04GodEater_so again, where is it ?
17:14:10Crash91kugel: what does it look like? ive never seen it?
17:14:31kugelGodEater_: In the pictureflow.rock? Dunno
17:14:40GodEater_so it's not in rockbox - it's in a plugin
17:14:59kugelwow
17:15:02kugelmr. picky
17:15:03GodEater_which also implies it can't be used in a WPS...
17:15:12Crash91aha, pictureflow has the default cover, we are talking about WPS
17:15:32Crash91there is no default cover for that, it just leaves it blank
17:15:33GodEater_also Crash91 just said it didn't do that in pictureflow
17:15:33kugelyou should blame DefineByte for saying rockbox instead of me
17:15:56Crash91GodEater_:sorry, i was talking about WPS, it does have a "?" thing
17:15:57GodEater_er - he asked "Does Rockbox have a default "no cover"
17:16:01GodEater_and you said "it does"
17:16:03GodEater_how is that his fault ?
17:16:05kugelCrash91: you were talking about pictureflow
17:16:17Crash91no i wasnt
17:16:46Crash91i thought that you were talking about some mysterious rockbox-default thing that was shown in WPS when AA isnt present
17:16:50kugelI thought, since you said: "theres a problem for me with pictureflow...i just wanna check if its documented" before you asked that question
17:17:14DefineBytepictureflow_emptyslide.#x#x16.bmp I guess would be it
17:17:53DefineBytethere should just be a standard one, which can be overridden by a theme. pictureflow could use that too
17:18:16Crash91=/ that isnt ideal
17:18:24DefineBytewhy is that?
17:18:37Crash91firstly, what if the theme uses 176*176 AA, pictureflow needs only a 100*100
17:18:47Crash91and there is no scaling, so therefore it wouldnt work..
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17:18:57DefineBytethen you get the default 100x100 aa
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17:19:33Crash91=/ well it isnt really that crucial, personally i dont care at all about that
17:19:46DefineByteit would be up to theme authors to provide aa compatible with pictureflow
17:19:57Crash91yeah
17:20:14GodEater_eh ?
17:20:17GodEater_how would they do that ?
17:20:23GodEater_they're supposed to know what music you own ?
17:20:39krazykitDefineByte, no, it would be up to the user to provide pictureflow-compatible aa. you can have multiple sizes.
17:20:59Crash91say the location for the "unknown" cover is /.rockbox/wps/themename/unknowncover.bmp
17:21:17DefineBytehuh? i'm only talking about the default 'no cover found' image
17:21:33Crash91the ? with a greyscale gradient..
17:21:36GodEater_there should be only one of those
17:21:42GodEater_it shouldn't have to be in multiple themes
17:21:49GodEater_waste of disc space otherwise
17:21:56DefineBytei'm not saying it 'has' to be
17:22:13DefineBytejust if you want to match the look of the theme you could include it
17:22:22Crash91GodEater_: isnt "disc" the US version?
17:22:22GodEater_I suppose....
17:22:31GodEater_don't think so
17:22:56krazykiti've always thought of hard drives and floppies as disks and CDs as discs...
17:23:04DefineBytesame
17:23:36GodEater_US is disk
17:23:51Crash91=/ i always thought of them as disks, and when i saw linux and mac, i saw disc..
17:23:57GodEater_according to the Oxford english dictionary
17:24:02DefineByteyeah but everyone uses disk for hdds so i go with the 'flow' :)
17:24:11Crash91krazykit: yeah, same here too
17:24:47*GodEater_ refuses to bow to pressue from the US on this ;)
17:25:05GodEater_pressure too
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17:26:11GodEater_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc
17:26:29Crash91lol
17:27:05GodEater_apparently I should use disk when talking about magentic media, and disc when speaking of optical media
17:27:09GodEater_you live and learn eh /
17:27:37Crash91hmmm, that is what ive been doing....but unconciously
17:27:55Crash91anyway...we say compact disc and hard disk
17:28:43krazykitbut now that we've successfully derailed the channel into off-topic land...
17:28:45Crash91s/we/i
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17:29:08zejust say HD and OD (who wants to specify cd, dvd, hddvd, bluray, etc?)
17:29:20ze:p
17:29:59Crash91krazykit: off-topic land saves us from the regular monotony of the rockbox channel
17:30:00DefineBytethere's too many OD formats for that
17:30:08Crash91its our "happy place"
17:31:31GodEater_escape from the "monotony" to -community
17:31:37GodEater_it's what it's there for
17:32:08DefineBytei'd go there but i'm using pidgin for the first time and I can't work out how to open another channel xD
17:32:34GodEater_/join #rockbox-community doesn't work ?
17:33:02DefineByted'oh
17:33:15DefineBytethe tabbed interface threw me
17:33:46Crash91lol
17:35:56markunkrazykit: the channel has been pretty off topic today anyway
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17:48:51kugelDid anyone try roolku's patch, which makes the pf plugin usable for the database?
17:48:57kugelhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8295
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18:05:46Lloreankugel: What stops you from trying it?
18:07:18LloreanFrom the tracker it sounds very much like it's merely the beginning of work on that
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18:21:00DefineByteany peeps familiar with the manual here?
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18:24:49pixelmaa bit
18:27:07DefineBytewilling to commit a small patch?
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18:34:02pixelmawhat patch?
18:39:25DefineBytepixelma: FS #8309
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18:41:43kugelLlorean: Nothing, I'm trying it, but I can't get it to work
18:42:12Lloreankugel: Well the task says it's the beginnings of integrating it. What are you expecting it to do?
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18:43:15kugelI'm expecting that I can either use the pf plugin or the database menu to get to the pictureflow screen, where I can click a cover to play the album
18:43:37kugelI have a cover by item in the database, but there is no pictureflow
18:43:55kugelI guess, it's because I can't use the plugin while playing music
18:44:26Lloreankugel: Read the task, I'm pretty sure he says that it can't actually *launch* pictureflow yet
18:45:24kugeloh yea
18:45:27pixelmaDefineByte: will look into it. Are you sure "directory" was the preferred one - but consistency is welcome...
18:45:35kugelmy bad, didn't see that paragraph
18:46:48DefineBytethat's what we decided on i think :)
18:47:11DefineBytei think directory appears more often too
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18:54:01Crash91would it be easy to code
18:54:24Crash91would it be easy to code a WPS tag which determines the transparency of an image?
18:54:34preglowshould "PCM Wave" in the recording format menu be just "WAV"? .aif is just AIFF, after all
18:54:40Crash91(sorry for the first part, i pressed neter by mistake =/)
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19:37:24webguest92hi guys, need a bit of assistance clearing rockbox off my ipod properly
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19:39:19webguest92i just uninstalled it, but when i turn off my ipod and go to turn in back on again, it clearly hasn't shut down properly, its more like a hibernation and will probably drain my battery if i leave it
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19:40:05webguest92could someone possibly give me a hand making sure i've done everything properly?
19:40:42LearSounds like normal behavior, from what I understand (don't have any ipod myself)...
19:41:08webguest92really? cos when i turn it on again theres no apple boot screen
19:41:19LloreanRockbox doesn't have a hibernation.
19:41:23LloreanWhy do you think it's not shutting down?
19:41:33Crash91webguest92: ipod never shut down, i thought every ipod user knew that
19:41:47webguest92because my ipod starts up again very fast, much faster than it used to
19:42:01LloreanCrash91: They do with Rockbox...
19:42:16Crash91they hibernate, and unlike rockbox, do not shut down, the only advantage is that it doesnt need to boot, and can load quicker
19:42:26Crash91Llorean: well i meant apple OF :P
19:42:31webguest92yea, but i uninstalled rockbox
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19:42:55Lloreanwebguest92: In the original firmware, there's no "off", just "sleep", yes.
19:42:57Crash91yeah and? it doesnt shutdown...its not meat to with apple software
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19:43:13Crash91it "hibernates"
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19:43:36webguest92ok... just seems to be behaving very differently than it used to, i.e. before i installed rockbox
19:43:56amiconnThe apple firmware will eventually shut down after a day or so... not sure at all because I never used the OF
19:44:14webguest92it used to require removing hold, then pressing a button to boot
19:44:49Crash91webguest92: are you sure its not some kind of new firmware "feature"?
19:45:45webguest92well, maybe, but its not one i used to experience under apple firmware, which leads me to believe the rockbox firmware wasn't completely removed
19:46:05webguest92although i can't find the .rockbox folder when i boot to disk mode, which leads me to believe it was removed
19:46:23Crash91nope, that is perfectly normal ipod behaviour...how long did you use your ipod before rockboxing it?
19:46:24Domonokywebguest92: its completly removed, trust us... ! :-)
19:46:38webguest92about 6 months
19:46:45webguest92its a 5.5g 30gb
19:46:58webguest92just thought i'd check before i come to use it and its drained :)
19:47:26Crash91:) well be careful....a girl in my class "borrowed"my friends ipod connector...and never gave it back
19:47:41Crash91so in effect stole it, lol
19:47:43Domonokywebguest92: thats really the normal Apple os behavior... and it will drain the battery slowly.. :-)
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19:48:17webguest92ok, so long as you're sure
19:48:46webguest92one other thing, when i do a reboot (select + menu) it attempts to load rockbox still and tells me to boot to disk mode
19:48:57LloreanThen you didn't remove the bootloader
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19:49:32webguest92oh ok, thought when i did "uninstall rockbox" it did everything
19:50:17Domonokythis sounds like rbutil... there is a seperate button to remove the bootloader..
19:50:28webguest92ok ty, will give that a go
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19:52:01webguest92one of the main reasons i installed rockbox was becuase of pictureflow
19:52:14webguest92but it wouldn't load
19:52:57GodEatergood god
19:53:08GodEateryou're uninstalling because a mere days old features isn't stable yet ?
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19:53:33Domonokyhehe, i think pictureflow will be a thing like our doom plugin.. :-)
19:53:57Crash91lol
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19:54:09webguest92i know coverflow is just a gimmick, but its a feature of itunes, and one of new gen ipods i like
19:54:35Crash91i had a friend who uninstalled RB 'cause he didnt like the look of "apple disk mode" and it sucked....and hes jealous of my sansa with coverflow now
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19:54:42Crash91and said*
19:55:08Crash91webguest92: wasnt it made available to the ipods in a FW update?
19:55:13Crash915.5gens i mean
19:55:15webguest92nope
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19:55:36Crash91why did you uninstall RB btw?
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19:55:47webguest92similarly with search for 5.5g, i don't believe that was made available for 5g
19:56:02Crash91search?
19:56:11krazykitthis is offtopic, you two.
19:56:14webguest925.5g ipods have a search feature
19:56:18Crash91to - community!
19:56:32Crash91ah, webguests cant join it....the client restricts
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19:56:44Crash91webguest92: and how would one type the word in?
19:56:45webguest92and 60% brighter screen, i think they were tjhe only differences
19:57:02webguest92it brings up a keypad and u select letters with the clickwheel
19:57:04Domonokywebguest92 unistalled rockbox, so he is now offtopic :-)
19:57:10webguest92lol :)
19:57:11Crash91:)
19:57:34Crash91lol...hes offtopic because he is simply living
19:58:19webguest92anyway, partway through after it had scanned my ipod's db it wouldnt startup, was concerned i'd bricked it. after about 5 minutes i got it booted again
19:58:30webguest92it was a graduation gift so i decided i'd leave it alone :)
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20:00:00Crash91:)
20:00:13webguest92anyway cheers for your help guys
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20:33:14decaturhi there, I've just registered to the wiki to submit something totally new
20:33:33desowinwhat's your name?
20:33:41decaturah, KaiHelbig
20:34:02decaturit will be an iconset for gray scale players
20:34:17Domonokydecatur: sounds nice :-)
20:35:02decaturi hope it will be nice
20:35:13desowindone
20:35:23decaturok, so now i can submit it?
20:35:50desowinby done I mean, you have edit access to wiki
20:36:00decaturok, thanks
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21:02:31decaturediting the wiki was quite confusing, but now it's done
21:02:52decaturthe first usable iconset for grayscale players
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21:03:44Domonokydecatur: looks nice... i will try it on my iriver :-)
21:04:24decaturwould be nice if other people share my taste ;-)
21:06:07Domonokythe icons are nice... but they are little bit to big for my taste of font size :-)
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21:07:05decaturhm, might be ... but i wanted it to fit to the theme i use
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21:07:42decaturand i could use the colored ones in that size
21:08:17decaturrescaling them would be quite difficult
21:08:50Domonokysure.. no problem.. at least we have now a nice grayscale iconset .-)
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21:09:50decaturthats true ...
21:10:12decaturbut if there should be a great interest in smaller icons, i could try to make some ...
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21:20:58decaturbtw, is there some way to contact other registered members in the wiki?
21:22:12decaturi wanted to ask christophreiter whether i could reuse his icons for grayscale
21:22:29scorche|wyou can go to their member page and see fi they list an email address
21:22:44decaturand if there is none?
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21:36:44bjorn`Good evening folks
21:37:46bjorn`If I may ask, what's the status on the rockbox firmware port for the Zen Vision:M?
21:38:39scorche|wthe latest information should be routed to the forum thread under the "new ports" forum
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21:57:51pixelmaurgh, just had a weird effect on my Ondio. I edited a file with the text editor while playing music, suddenly all characters turned into cryptic and the Ondio froze - could only hard power it off. I think (but didn't pay too much attention) that it was during a track change and I have "follow playlist" on...
21:58:46pixelmashould probably try if it's reproducible
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22:03:09pixelmadoesn't seem to be :\
22:05:24*preglow tried an ipod touch today
22:05:27preglowboy, are those bastards pretty
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22:05:51preglowi love the display
22:06:10preglownot overly fond of touch controls, but i guess you get used to it
22:09:03scorche|wfirst coverflow, now an itouch....we may be losing him ;)
22:09:58preglowhaha
22:10:08preglowwhen you see my coding touch based guis, then you can say you've lost me
22:11:22scorche|wi said losING...not lost yet =P
22:11:51scorche|wactually...isnt JdGordon coding touch based guis? ;)
22:12:21preglowyeah, he is, but he always did have tendencies toward the darker aspects of programming :P
22:13:35scorche|weven now, he is too busy at microsoft to quip back!
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22:13:47preglowat microsoft? :>
22:13:54scorche|wheh...you didnt know?
22:14:01scorche|winternship
22:14:16preglowwhat in the fuck
22:14:18preglowwell
22:14:21preglowmake him get us zune info :>
22:14:47scorche|walready working on it, but he said the repositories are pretty locked down!
22:15:22preglowfor some reason i'm less than surprised
22:16:49preglowi don't think you've got access to much but what you're working on
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23:03:06fraaayhalli hallo
23:03:38fraaayjemand da, der mir vllt kurz helfen kann? / anyone here to help me out real quick ? ;)
23:03:59Bagderif you ask your question (in English) we can try
23:04:26fraaayok, i installed rockbox on my sansa c250 - works great
23:04:41fraaaybut cant i set the usb mode somewhere ? i just want it to connect as a storage device
23:05:18Bagderrockbox has no usb support yet on this device
23:05:42fraaayah, ok - how can i start original firmware ?
23:06:11Bagderdoesn't the manual say?
23:06:25fraaayi havnt found anything
23:06:30fraaay..in the manual
23:07:54PaulJamhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3
23:08:28fraaayoh, kinda missed that - im sorry for bothering you guys - thx a lot!!
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23:11:29smartmindhello
23:11:58smartminddo you know whether the albumart resize patch already is implemented in the current build?
23:12:42peturI think not
23:12:53smartmindthought so
23:13:03smartmindbut album art is implemented?
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23:13:08stripwaxyes
23:13:37smartmindbecause in the patch history of the album art patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045) theres written something about a resizing patch
23:13:48stripwaxsmartmind - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
23:14:19stripwaxfrom that page - "it is planned but no time estimate is available"
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23:18:26smartmindok so ill have to add it on my own :(
23:18:29Bagderhaha, nokia retracts their statement seen in Swedish ads: "plays all audio formats" ....
23:19:01ZagorBagder: haha, I wondered how they thought they'd get away with it
23:19:11Bagderyeah, they claim it was a mistake
23:19:15Bagderit should say "almost all"
23:19:26Bagderand that too is not really true
23:19:30Zagormistake, yeah right
23:19:35Bagder"MP3, MP4, AAC, eAAc+ and WMA"
23:19:37Zagor"almost" is such good marketing
23:19:46Bagderdoes that look like almost all you can think of+
23:19:47Bagder?
23:20:00smartminduhm
23:20:02smartmindof course ;)
23:20:13jott"plays all audio formats we paid for" ;)
23:20:14smartmindtheres nothing else then mp3 and wma ;)
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23:20:50Bagder"it doesn't seem any customer has bought the phone believing it actually can play all formats" they say...
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23:22:39SoaaHello everyone.
23:22:56preglowBagder: oy, what charset are commit messages supposed to be in? :>
23:23:13Bagderus ascii ;-P
23:23:21preglowhaha
23:23:25mrocHello. I'm attempting to install Rockbox manually on my iPod Video. I downloaded and extracted the current build and it created a folder ".rockbox" which I put in the root folder of the iPod. I followed the instructions in the manual for installing the fonts and after extracting that, I get a second ".rockbox" folder. Am I supposed to have ".rockbox" and ".rockbox (2)" in the root of the drive? Thanks in advance for your help.
23:23:28preglowit did weird shit to my
23:23:46Bagderactually, I don't think we have decided at any time, we just... play by ear
23:23:54Soaamroc, move whatever is in .rockbox (2) into .rockbox.
23:23:57preglowthoms advice: utf8 for everything
23:24:07BagderI figure utf8 is the most sensible
23:24:09preglowthen play by ear on that
23:24:18preglowi really just do utf8 for absolutely everything these days
23:24:23preglowso i perhaps one day can not bother about it
23:24:24mrocSoaa: Thanks.
23:24:27*preglow hates charsets
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23:24:45SoaaNo prob.
23:24:58SoaaHey, anyone checked out my patch for PictureFlow?
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23:26:21Soaahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8307
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23:27:47jottSoaa: yes looked into it.. it might be the best way to fade in&out otherwise it will always look choppy..
23:28:22SoaaNot only that, it just seems more intuitive to me.
23:28:33SoaaHope it gets comitted.
23:28:39Soaacommitted*
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23:29:18SoaaI hope my patch isn't too messy? It's my first time coding something in C that actually works.
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23:30:54jottSoaa: well could be optimized a bit, but i think i'll do something similar...
23:31:58SoaaCool. How about the bug I filed? That one's nasty.
23:32:40Soaahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8306
23:32:41jottyes not really sure how to reproduce it..
23:33:11SoaaQuite easy, just press the opposite direction while it's animating
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23:40:07manlight435would it be possible to emulate nes on rockbox?
23:40:18SoaaThere has been talk for something like that.
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23:40:40SoaaNot sure about progress though. Last time I checked, they were looking for an emulator that's GPL'd.
23:40:45manlight435what are the proccessing powers of most mp3 players
23:41:08scorche|wmanlight435: they can vary quite a bit...
23:41:29manlight435what do ipods have?
23:41:44manlight435and sansa e200?
23:42:17scorche|wwe run both cores at 80MHz, although we dont make full use of both cores yet
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23:42:33scorche|wbut an NES emulator is certainly doable if someone puts the effort into it
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23:43:39manlight435does the GBC have a faster processer than the nes/
23:43:52krazykitmanlight435, why don't you search google to find out?
23:44:22manlight435already here
23:44:25manlight435ok
23:45:32Soapgoogle is a machine - these are people - with other things to do besides google's work.
23:46:35manlight435it says it has about the same power as an snes
23:46:51manlight435so it is definetly doable
23:47:08scorche|wdidnt i just say that?
23:47:19manlight435yea
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