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#rockbox log for 2007-12-14

00:02:35preglowi really have no qualms about adding whoever adds something to rockbox in any way to that list
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00:04:30XavierGroogabooga=The secret Rockbox salute. <−− LOL I never encountered that!? It must be way before the iriver era! :P
00:05:07preglowyeah, the rockbox contributors did more drugs in those days :P
00:06:17XavierGramiconn's explain.txt is hilarious indeed :D
00:08:54pixelmanot sure I like the accumulation of "directory" with this patch. While that is also a problem of the phrasing in general, I think a "folder" here and there added some diversion at least...
00:11:20pixelmasome sentences just read weird "Do not try to create a separate directory or directory on your player for the fonts! The .zip already contains the correct internal directory structure."
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00:11:35preglowyeah, but is diversity is the enemy of consistency :)
00:11:41preglowstrike that first "is"
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00:12:24preglowpixelma: i'd rewrite that to "Do not try to create a separate directory on your player for the fonts! The .zip already contains the correct structure."
00:12:40pixelmayeah, I know. It just shows that it needs more work.
00:12:47preglowoh yes
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00:14:38pixelmawhen I read that here, I also thought the same
00:14:56*scorche|w is glad the ffmpeg ML thread didnt get worse
00:14:56pixelmas/also//
00:15:54preglowscorche|w: i might have just misinterpreted the hostility level there, some people are hard to read over mail
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00:16:34preglowi'll just let that thread be, what needed saying has been said
00:16:37scorche|wpreglow: and IRC, and forums =P
00:16:57preglowyeah, but some people tend to be more aggressive on anything not irc, for some reason
00:17:09preglowi think the non-realtime nature of things make people just react differently
00:17:21preglowanyway, it doesn't matter, it's all good
00:18:11*scorche|w nods
00:18:37preglowcan i assume people know what "frequencies" are?
00:18:44preglowi'm too used to the word to be able to tell
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00:23:05handmademattersHmm whats the other choise ;-)
00:23:08handmademattersc
00:23:18Zone-Blazehello
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00:23:40preglowthere's no direct substitue, some small rewriting would have to be done
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00:24:29Zone-Blaze...?
00:24:57krazykitpreglow, frequency is probably ok.
00:25:24handmademattersalso think its common and understandable enough
00:25:33krazykitrather, i can't think of a good, short way to really describe it
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00:30:20preglowamiconn: here?
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00:31:14preglowamiconn: the mas loudness function is the same type of loudness function found elsewhere that is meant to compensate for psychoaccoustic effects when listening at low volumes, yes?
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00:40:19pixelmais it good to describe the player's root as "main directory of your player's drive"? That sounds more confusing to me than what it is trying to replace...
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00:53:49HamelHello?
00:53:58peturyes?
00:54:14Hamelcan you help me set up a database on rockbox?
00:54:36peturexplain rtfm
00:54:45#>>"rtfm" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
00:54:50peturbah
00:55:05Hamelhuh?
00:55:13saratogahe means read the manual
00:55:27peturdon't mind me, I wanted to try something new ;)
00:55:33Hameloh
00:55:35Hamelok
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00:56:24*petur wonders how to make logbot talk in public
00:56:40saratogabut yeah i think you just need to go into the options somewhere and turn on the database, then it scans and asks you to reboot
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00:57:15Shaidwell, if he's an eggdrop, it's fairly easy if you have access to the console on him. :P
00:58:27scorche|wdancer
00:58:36scorche|wi shall play with him when i get home :)
00:58:46pixelmapetur: "logbot explain blah"? Though I'm not sure if someone already fed him with this phrase
00:58:57peturI did ;)
00:59:24*petur also needs to teach logbot about beer :D
00:59:25pixelmablah? ;)
00:59:27Nico_Plogbot explain rtfm
00:59:32Nico_Pno?
01:00
01:00:03#>>"explain rtfm" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
01:00:26peturgotcha
01:00:34saratogahow do you program it
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01:00:59peturprivate messages
01:01:12petursee http://dancer.sourceforge.net/doc/dancerdoc-7.html
01:01:20Nico_Pyou need to be on a list of authorised persons, don't you?
01:01:24peturyes
01:01:40peturseems you aren't (yet)
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01:02:10Nico_Pyeah I'll have to wait before I can join in the fun :)
01:02:24DataGhosteh, does it have to notice the channel?
01:02:24peturhmmm maybe rtfm is a bit harsh...
01:02:52ShaidAtleast you didn't tell it what it all means
01:02:54pixelmapetur: I couldn't read that openly (unlike Zagor's try earlier today)
01:03:29pixelmaI think it was my fault though, nvermind
01:03:34pixelma*nevermind
01:03:40preglowdo we need to include defaults to settings in the manual?
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01:03:46preglowlike for the mdb sound setting
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01:05:01preglowalso, should we use "blabla has the following settings" with a dot or a colon before description lists?
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01:08:58shadonic96hello
01:09:02shadonic96anyone
01:09:08preglowhi
01:09:14shadonic96i need some help with rockbox
01:10:27uskiwhat precisely
01:11:22shadonic96i installed a custom build from someone on the internet, and now the computer wont recognize the ipod when its plugged in, is there anyway to fix this
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01:13:14peturyou will need to tell more, including which device you use it on
01:13:18peturand also...
01:13:35#>>"explain custom" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
01:13:42peturtadaaa...
01:13:48*preglow cries
01:13:55shadonic96its for the ipod 5.5 (video)
01:14:01Shaidboot it into disk mode
01:14:05preglowpixelma: we need to find a way to typeset setting values, currently we use \setting{} for setting names, and a combination of \setting{} and ``'' for setting values
01:14:07Shaidwhich is done uh, somehow.
01:14:11Shaidit's in the manual somewhere
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01:14:42shadonic96i also tried to create an account on the forums, but the email seems to be taking forever
01:15:18pixelmashadonic96: some unsupported builds contain a patch that reverses the behaviour of charging and connecting to USB (usually just plug for data connection and holding "menu" for charging). If that doesn't help you can always put it in disk mode manually
01:15:41pixelmapreglow: I guess...
01:16:02DefineBytethe manual also needs typesetting for PC keyboard keys I've noticed
01:16:10DefineByteif it doesn't already
01:16:15DefineByte>.>
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01:16:48preglowDefineByte: send patches :)
01:17:07pixelmaDefineByte: I'm currently brushing up your folder2directory patch a bit, mostly getting rid of too many "directories" in one place
01:17:17shadonic96so what are the instructions specifically? hold down menu and select, because ive tried that a million times
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01:17:41preglowwhatsoever is spelled like that, yes?
01:17:45DefineByteI noticed that too but I was saving the rewriting for later
01:18:00DefineByteyeah, it is
01:18:04shadonic96also how exactly do you boot it into disk mode
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01:19:26DefineBytewhoever wrote that part used folder and directory interchangeably to avoid too many 'directory's x)
01:19:27preglowshadonic96: press play and select while booting
01:19:37pixelmashadonic96: what happens when you hold "menu" while plugging USB? Disk mode: menu+select and as soon as it reboots select+play (I hope, no Ipod here)
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01:20:13DefineBytedoesn't the Ipod use the hold switch (or was that changed?)?
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01:20:58shadonic96hold on i think i got it
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01:21:11ompaulRichiH, if you are still with us
01:21:13pixelmayeah, that's another option - would boot into the apple OS and then you can connect
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01:22:18shadonic96YES!!! Thank God, im not paying another 250 buck for y ipod video. thank you SO much pixelma
01:22:28pixelmaDefineByte: I'm not doing too much to it, but in some places I just couldn't stand it
01:22:39preglowpixelma: i definitely get the impression there's a lot of finetuning to be done in the manual, yeah
01:22:48JonMikelVUmm - OK. Not used IRC before but I guess I need to introduce myself and request write permissions for the Wiki. I'm JonMikelVanDerWege and would like to be able to update the SansaRuntime page with some MPEG viewing times on an e250.
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01:23:26pixelmashadonic96: bricking an Ipod is very very hard... :)
01:23:43shadonic96i checked the site again and i found out that the build i was using was for the 5 gen, and i have the 5.5
01:25:41DefineByteI've had some rewrites to the installation section sitting on my HDD since October. (#_#)
01:26:23DefineBytewell that would explain it. Any reason why you didn't go for an official build?
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01:30:43pixelmaDefineByte: is it subdirectory, sub-directory or even "sub directory"? I'd go with the former but...
01:31:20DefineByteI went with webopedia
01:32:31DefineByteand Chambers dictionary seems to agree
01:32:42Shaidwikipedia and webopedia both say subdirectory
01:33:12pixelmathanks
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01:42:32shadonic96well, i dont know how to install those plugin things, and i wanted a wps that lets me see album art, and this build said it was already installed
01:46:00shadonic96eh, i downloaded the 5.5 version and it gives me a codec failiure :(
01:46:05DefineBytealbum art is built in now
01:46:23DefineBytebuilt-in /cough
01:47:08preglow"built in" isn't wrong in that context :>
01:48:04DefineBytebuilt-in reads better to me
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01:50:40pixelma"..playback will stop when the current directory or playlist is finished." <- how can a directory finish? ...
01:51:17safetydanand either way it stops when the playlist finishes only
01:51:26***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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01:52:28DefineByteI'm guessing they mean a playlist created by playing a directory
01:52:52preglowin any case it's sufficient to say the playlist finished
01:53:01DefineBytedefinitely
01:53:30pixelmayeah but I don't think it needs that, it's explained often enough before how you can create a playlist
01:53:32DefineByteI was just doing a quick switcharoo with these patches before I settled down for a rewrite :)
01:54:10DefineByteit stood out to me too but I wasn't in the mood to change it. x)
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01:59:12wmpasI'm attempting to install the firmware on a 5th gen ipod vid 30g from windows. When I run the installer, I get the following error: "Error reading from disk: The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error."
01:59:14wmpasCan anyone help me?
01:59:42Shaidreboot the ipod and try agai
01:59:47Shaidagain, even
01:59:58Shaidand by reboot I mean hold select and menu down for around 5 seconds
02:00
02:00:03wmpasok
02:00:34Shaidand by installer you mean ipodpatcher.exe or rbutil?
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02:01:11wmpasipodpatcher
02:01:14DefineByteare you running as admin?
02:01:17wmpasyes
02:01:21scorcheick!
02:01:28wmpasjust restarted it, lets give it a shot
02:01:32#>>"uses notices for his messages? =/" by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
02:01:35Shaidsince it's a read error it may not even be the ipod at fault
02:01:38Shaidscorche: yep.
02:01:41ShaidI'd change that. :)
02:01:44scorcheyeah
02:01:50scorchedefinitely
02:01:58wmpassane errir L=
02:02:02wmpassame error*
02:02:12wmpasany other ideas?
02:02:39DefineBytetry a different usb port?
02:02:53wmpastried that already
02:03:11pixelmaDefineByte: will leave some "directories" to you :)
02:03:45DefineBytehow do you mean?
02:05:29pixelmaif you want to rephrase some things, can't do that all now
02:07:03DefineByteoh, okay. :D yeah, there is a lot
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02:09:09DefineByteI forgot you were changing some of it.
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02:09:50DefineBytetried disabling any anti-virus?
02:10:25countrymonkeyAny chance of the "DJ Feature" patch to be fixed and committed? I would really like the idea of it.
02:11:07DefineBytewmpas: tried a different cable?
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02:12:15wmpasyup
02:12:23wmpasi doubt its the connection.
02:12:27pixelmapreglow: still around?
02:12:29wmpasmaybe i'll try using ktrace :\
02:12:31preglowbarely
02:12:57countrymonkeypreglow, I didn't know you spoke norsk
02:13:02preglowcountrymonkey: well, i am norsk...
02:13:48pixelmare. the system_options.tex: I'll introduce some more options to use for \opt or \opt some of the available settings better
02:14:07preglowpixelma: well, sounds good
02:14:19pixelmajust saw that you excluded some things for the nano...
02:14:25preglowyeah, disk spindown
02:14:43preglowi should do some measurements to see if i should kill dircache as well
02:14:44pixelmabut the Sansas don't have it too and stuff
02:14:54preglowpixelma: ahh, right, just took what i knew of
02:15:03preglowi'm still one of those devs with only two rockbox targets :)
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02:15:59pixelmathe idea was to ideally make it parse the features.txt to these UseOptions that are in the platform files (and use those to exclude and include)
02:16:12preglowthat would indeed be ideal
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02:16:45pixelmabut will start introducing these options manually
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02:19:16countrymonkeyIs it okay for me to make a norsk voice ui?
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02:20:07wmpaswhat are some good alternatives to rockbox?
02:20:47preglowcountrymonkey: what do you mean?
02:20:52preglowcountrymonkey: translate the voice strings?
02:21:06DefineByteI guess you could try Ipod Linux but I wouldn't call it good
02:21:08preglowcountrymonkey: if so, sure, go ahead, i made a very small start when i updated the lang file the other day
02:22:02safetydancountrymonkey: features have been proposed before but little code has come from it.
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02:22:38scorchewmpas: this channel is about rockbox and rockbox only
02:22:42countrymonkeyI mean add the voice strings. Just as a time-killer (since I don't speak norsk). I can use the dest strings and copy them over. It won't be perfect but at least blind norish people will be able to use it.
02:23:17preglowcountrymonkey: norwegian people :P
02:23:31pixelmalast thing... can someone think of an improvement to this blob: "Bookmarks are saved on a per directory basis. In other words, all of the files in the same directory have their bookmarks stored together in the directory where the files are located."?
02:23:34preglowcountrymonkey: but sure, if you see an english voice string that should be norwegian, go ahead
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02:23:57preglowpixelma: damn, that was a bad sentence...
02:24:16preglowpixelma: "Bookmarks are stored in the same directory as the files they reference"
02:24:19preglowpixelma: i'd just use that
02:24:51countrymonkeyI'm sory. I was standing in front of a woman speaking a language. I turned around and asked her what nationality she was and she said she was norish.
02:25:01preglowunless that kick-ass sentence had some extra meaning i couldn't understand :P
02:25:29preglowcountrymonkey: never heard of "norish"
02:25:49pixelmaoi... =)
02:27:12countrymonkeyWell, that's what she called it. But if it is norwegian then it is norwegian.
02:27:23preglowperhaps she was crazy .)
02:27:34DefineBytelose the 'In other words...'
02:27:59countrymonkeyI suppose. Thanks for correcting me. I plan to do both norsk translations.
02:29:30preglowcountrymonkey: might have been she just said "norsk" in a funny way, that might sound like "norish"
02:29:56pixelmapreglow: I tried to figure the meaning out myself, and I think it has to do with bookmarks only working if your playlist consists files in one folder. I think it needs an additional step (saving a playlist first or something?) if you want to have a mixed directory bookmark...
02:30:22countrymonkeyIs there a way "norsk" could sound like "norish"?
02:30:29preglowsure
02:30:52pixelmathat's what I remember but I seldom use bookmarking myself
02:31:13preglowadd a 'k' to norish and it'll sound the same
02:31:20preglowpixelma: and i never use them
02:31:24psycho_maniaci do but with the playlist catalog. save songs i like in the bookmarks.m3u8 hehe
02:31:25countrymonkeyAnd, by the way, how do you say fm radio in norsk? It is untranslated.
02:31:33pixelmabah, my explanation didn't sound much better :|
02:31:48preglowcountrymonkey: fm-radio
02:32:21countrymonkeySo it is translated corectly. I thought this was a mistake.
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02:33:46preglownope
02:34:04preglowi'm pretty sure all strings are translated, i even tried using my translation for a couple of hours :)
02:34:30pixelmahaha, I should try it too ;)
02:37:15preglowi should also try actually going to bed when i say i'm going to
02:37:16preglowgnight
02:39:41countrymonkeyIt is only 5:39 P.M.
02:40:03scorchecountrymonkey: people live in different time zones than PST...
02:40:05psycho_maniactime zones and over seas
02:40:42pixelmait's 2:40 AM in my time zone (and his)
02:41:02DefineByte0140 here
02:41:06DefineBytei should go too
02:41:10psycho_maniacits 7:41 PM here
02:41:41pixelmaDefineByte: I'm off shortly too but would like to kick off the patch before
02:42:16countrymonkeyO.K. Still working on that norsk voice ui. And than I have to do norsk. I won't be so bored anymore this weekend.
02:42:26countrymonkeyI mean nynorsk
02:42:55psycho_maniacAre there any patches needed testing? I have a sansa e260, ipod 5.5g and a gigabeat F
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02:44:20DefineBytedo you think we'll ever get a manual that builds without errors (however minor)? x)
02:44:30countrymonkeyI'm going to have dinner. Will be back.
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03:21:37countrymonkeyDoes anyone know wha the hell is happening with the Summer of Code project realtime text-to-speech?
03:24:05LloreanSummer of Code ended ages ago. It never happened.
03:24:15LloreanReal time text to speech never happened, that is.
03:27:16countrymonkeyUnless you count 7660.
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03:29:48LloreanThat's not from the Google Summer of Code project though
03:30:10countrymonkeyI know.
03:31:04psycho_maniacjust curious when gsoc 08 starts?
03:31:07LloreanNot to mention it's unusable in Rockbox, and nobody seems to be interested in doing the work to get a GPLv2 compatible version
03:32:46countrymonkeyGosh, I wish I knew where to find blind-accessible plugins *hint hint*
03:34:28countrymonkeyDo they even exist?
03:34:37LloreanN.
03:34:38LloreanNo.
03:34:41psycho_maniacdont hint to what you want. just ask
03:34:54LloreanOther than one patch for chessbox, as far as I know, nobody has done the work
03:35:08LloreanRockbox is, and again I repeat this, entirely developed by volunteers.
03:35:13LloreanIf you want to see something happen, work on it.
03:36:00countrymonkeyI understand.
03:36:06psycho_maniacIf I knew how to code i would code up a storm :)
03:36:43countrymonkeyMe too. My old C stuff fell through the roof. Hey, I still remember some things though.
03:40:26psycho_maniacI used to be ablet to code with a program called Qbasic. Is that the code rockbox uses?
03:40:57countrymonkeyNo they use good old C. And I can coad in basic too.
03:45:27countrymonkeyI am trying to get my friends interested in rb but I cannot find a good selling point. What is a good starting point?
03:46:35psycho_maniacOpensource and no iTunes type stuff.
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03:48:12psycho_maniacAlso if you get bored of how it looks you can change the theme or even make your own.
03:48:16countrymonkeyMy friend is not techy at all. He doesn't understand the benefits of opensource vs proprietory coading. I am trying everything: themes, wpses, fonts, sound settings, everything.
03:48:43mokkurkalvegapless
03:48:45psycho_maniacWhy not just show him your rockbox'd player?
03:49:11countrymonkeyHe uses mp3s. Those ain't gapless.
03:49:21psycho_maniaccrossfadding
03:49:34countrymonkeyI tried that, too.
03:50:18alienbiker99hmm mp3s arent gapless?
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03:50:45psycho_maniacJust show him your player and what it all can go. Play the games that come with rockbox.
03:50:56l7hey, has anyone had compatibility issues with e200 players in rockbox?
03:51:07mokkurkalvereplaygain
03:51:07mokkurkalve19 plus format support
03:51:07mokkurkalvenew lame encodings decoded in RB are
03:51:09l7with microsd cards that is
03:51:25mokkurkalveif he uses shit mp3 downloaded from the net he's probably beyond salvation anyway....
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03:51:38psycho_maniacwhat do you mean by "compatibility" ?
03:52:03alienbiker99mokkurkalve thats not true, if you get vbr mp3s, they arent bad
03:52:29l7psycho_maniac: like unexplained problems getting the card to work
03:53:11psycho_maniacNo nothing like that for me, well I dont use msd cards
03:53:35countrymonkeyWe have different targets.
03:55:26mokkurkalvealienbiker99: mp3 is not a gapless format. However, newer lame encoders write info to the lame header that can be utilised by a properly written decoder to make gapless output. Formats like vorbis and musepack are naturally gapless. However, it still takes a properly written decoder, and most DAPs don't give gapless output of any format with original firmware
03:56:37alienbiker99oh i see. i knew that a lot of OF dont have gapless, i was gonna say that my mp3s play gaplessly. now i know why
03:56:40countrymonkeyDoes rb have that "properly written encoder?"
03:57:05countrymonkeyI mean decoder
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04:00:19mokkurkalvealienbiker99: well, if your lucky you might get properly encoded mp3s. However, most of the stuff I've seen floating around the net seems to be encoded by cluless people. For full control, rip and encode yourself from original CD. Eg. lame -V 2 −−vbr-new if your into mp3...
04:00:56countrymonkeyDo the ipod4g and ipod5g differ in features?
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04:01:15mokkurkalveRB decodes everything that can be decoded gaplessly gapless
04:03:35countrymonkeyDo the ipod4g and ipod5g differ in features?
04:03:53psycho_maniacYes by a lot.
04:04:19countrymonkeyWhat is the difference in featureset?
04:04:22psycho_maniacWell maybe not. I jumped the gun. I was thinking of 3g and 5g.
04:04:45psycho_maniacThe info you want should be on the BuyersGuide on the wiki I think.
04:05:00countrymonkeyBecause I have a 4g gray and my friend has a 5g.
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04:06:16AK-Windowshello
04:06:27psycho_maniachello AK-Windows
04:06:29countrymonkeyHey
04:06:55AK-Windowsdo you want an irc server just for rockbox?
04:07:26psycho_maniacI think this is it isnt it?
04:07:34AK-Windows"server"
04:07:45countrymonkeyThis is a channel. openprojects.net is our server.
04:08:21AK-Windowsoh, i'm using the java applet on the rockbox site
04:08:51countrymonkeyme too
04:09:20AK-Windowshow do I change channels?
04:09:53psycho_maniacThese are questions you would want to ask on an actual irc channel ABOUT irc. I would suggest to get an IRC client.
04:10:06psycho_maniacThis conversation is very offtopic also.
04:10:27AK-Windowsk
04:10:35countrymonkeyI would say. What were we talking about before this guy came on?
04:11:18AK-Windowsmeth?
04:11:51countrymonkeyNani? What?
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04:13:56countrymonkeyso what were we talking about?
04:14:20psycho_maniacI have no clue what that was about.
04:14:38countrymonkeyWhat does meth mean?
04:16:16psycho_maniacMaybe he thought we are a bunch of meth heads?
04:21:07countrymonkeyI wish we had something to talk about. Can you think of anything?
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04:24:42countrymonkeyI wish rb could play 2 files at once.
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04:25:23psycho_maniaci wish rockbox would give me money when i won on the jackpot plugin ;)
04:26:30countrymonkeyWhich target do you have? And yes real money would be nice.
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04:26:48countrymonkeybut my wish is more realistic
04:26:55psycho_maniacTechnically it CAN play two files at once. A song and a plugin :)
04:27:49countrymonkeyI mean an mp3 and another mp3. An audiobook and music. You know. And if rb had a timer I would only need my ipod and weight equipment to do workouts.
04:28:10psycho_maniacWhy would you want to play 2 songs at once?
04:28:41countrymonkeysong + audiobook = awesome
04:29:46brian__hello rockboxers
04:30:26countrymonkeyhellow brian. What's up?
04:31:34brian__not much...im interested in developing for rockbox
04:32:06brian__im reading the FAQs for devs on the site right now
04:32:34countrymonkeyDo you know C?
04:33:10brian__it's been a long time since i wrote in C or ASM
04:33:29countrymonkeyDo you know another language?
04:34:39brian__bascially i can say at this point im "familiar with C and ASM" meaning I can certainly read and understand C code but I couldnt develop anything huge with it...yet
04:35:02countrymonkeyDo you know another language?
04:35:47brian__yes...im a web developer...primarily LAMP (lot of PHP and MySQL)
04:35:53countrymonkeyI mean verbal and written language.
04:36:05brian__OH!
04:36:15brian__i only know english
04:38:02countrymonkeynothing much to talk about
04:38:37psycho_maniacThat usually happens in this channel. Its really only for development
04:38:50krazykitpsycho_maniac, er, no it's not. it's a user support channel too
04:38:59countrymonkeyand support questions
04:39:16brian__im reading alot on the site now...i just wanted to pop in and see what was going on and perhaps some inspiration
04:39:27brian__get*
04:39:36krazykitbrian__, you could check out some feature requests and see if you'd be up for tackling one
04:39:53brian__will do
04:40:02countrymonkeyOne good one to start with is 8299
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04:41:25psycho_maniacI would ask the devs what patches they think is good to start working on and maybe get comitted
04:42:00countrymonkeyBut devland is here
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04:44:16safetydanbrian__: yeah take a look at the feature requests. Or find an itch of your own to scratch.
04:44:38safetydanmake sure you can build Rockbox first though
04:44:39countrymonkeyDoes anyone know where I can find "fake language" rockbox lang files?
04:44:52krazykitcountrymonkey, there were two on the wiki.
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04:45:42psycho_maniacLook in the irc log I posted it here last night
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04:49:44brian__safetydan: im compiling my cross-compiler right now...i've done it before on two other machines with no probs
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04:57:51Errant33Hi, everyone was wondering if i could ask some general questions about the channel becuase I am writing a paper for cyberculture on the rockbox community please private message me if you would like to help
04:59:56safetydanErrant33: there is a #rockbox-community channel that you may wish to join to disuss that sort of topic
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05:00:16Errant33thank you very much
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05:29:18hihihiflcl81pigHello, does anyone have any idea when or if rockbox is coming out for classic.
05:29:41psycho_maniacno
05:30:25hihihiflcl81pigOk, thank you.
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05:31:46psycho_maniaccould of saved tiem by looking on the main page
05:32:35DogBoypeople are always thinking there is some secret that's not to be found on the web
05:32:45DogBoybut irc knows
05:35:07psycho_maniac...i guess
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06:20:36psycho_maniacIs there any demand for any Gigabeat S testers?
06:22:17Mouser_XHad I the money, I'd buy a Gigabeat S, because I know Rockbox will eventually get ported to it (since the port is in the process, and they've got code running on it)
06:22:55Mouser_X(It'll just take time.) If I buy one now, then it will probably be easier to find now, than later.
06:23:19Mouser_X(Well, time and coding, and work, by those doing the port.)
06:23:45psycho_maniacthats what i was thinking. Im looking on ebay now, but just looking
06:25:08krazykitpsycho_maniac, i think the demand is for gigabeat s coders.
06:25:29psycho_maniacYeah I think thats the only reason why the port is stopped
06:26:28psycho_maniacThe S series also has fm radio.
06:26:56psycho_maniacwell the 60gb version
06:28:04Mouser_XAnd video out.
06:30:16*psycho_maniac is reading the gigabeat s port on the forums
06:32:55psycho_maniacseems like at one point i see a S port. everybody that can code for the S is busy
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06:33:39BoBisChriSYoooo
06:33:44BoBisChriSim a n00b!
06:33:47BoBisChriShelp meh!
06:34:03BoBisChriSive got a 60 gig 5th gen iPod
06:34:25BoBisChriSand the rockbox utility is up and running on my pc
06:34:28BoBisChriSthe installer that is
06:34:38BoBisChriSnow i select all the stuff right
06:34:49BoBisChriSand it just sits there and doesnt move
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06:38:07krazykitBoBisChriS, is your ipod in disk mode? that is, does it show up as a drive letter (assuming you're using windows)
06:38:14BoBisChriSyeah
06:38:17BoBisChriSit is
06:38:41BoBisChriSwhat option do i pick for the install?
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06:39:32BoBisChriSsoo
06:39:33BoBisChriSwhat option do i pick for the install?
06:39:50BoBisChriSAway aGmIRCc 3.0 Time: 12/13/07@9:42pm Pager: Off Logging: On.
06:39:51BoBisChriSBack aGmIRCc 3.0 I've been away for 1sec
06:40:01krazykitBoBisChriS, please don't use scripts in here.
06:40:06BoBisChriSsorry
06:40:13BoBisChriStrying to get my client in line
06:40:20BoBisChriSok so
06:40:21krazykithave you read the install instructions in the manual?
06:40:26scorcheBoBisChriS: please read the channel guidelines...there are a number that you are violating...
06:40:34BoBisChriSlol ok.. sorry
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06:41:16BoBisChriSok got it
06:41:30BoBisChriSman.. i was violating alot of them wasnt i
06:41:34BoBisChriSsorry about that people
06:41:48BoBisChriSsooo.. yes. it is in disk mode
06:42:02BoBisChriSwhen i click file, it says..
06:42:18BoBisChriSinstall rockbox utility on player
06:42:26BoBisChriSwhat is that? is that the option that i want?
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06:43:04krazykitBoBisChriS, you probably want the "complete installation"
06:43:13BoBisChriSok, when i do that..
06:43:32BoBisChriSit sits there with the blank progress scree
06:43:32BoBisChriSn
06:43:38krazykiti'm not familiar with setting up rbutil on windows.
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06:43:51BoBisChriSwhat are you farmiliar with?
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06:44:09BoBisChriSi figured
06:44:13BoBisChriSsigh
06:44:18krazykitBoBisChriS, it should ask you what player you have and what drive letter it is.
06:44:24BoBisChriSis this better than iPod Linux?
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06:44:37BoBisChriSno actually it didnt, i had to go to configure my self
06:44:42BoBisChriSi did all that
06:45:05BoBisChriSlet me do it agian to be sure
06:45:21krazykitso you should be on the "quick start" tab that has two installation options.
06:45:30BoBisChriSyeah i am
06:45:41BoBisChriSthen i click compleate
06:45:57BoBisChriSand the progress window poppes up
06:46:04BoBisChriSblank as a sheet of paper
06:46:17krazykittry performing a manual install as detailed in the manual
06:46:19Mouser_XPaper isn't necessarily blank.
06:46:23BoBisChriSlol
06:46:25BoBisChriSshush
06:46:45BoBisChriSis it hard?
06:46:51krazykitnot at all.
06:46:53Mouser_XPaper? Not usually.
06:47:01Mouser_X:P
06:47:02BoBisChriSsmart ass
06:47:03BoBisChriSlol
06:47:10BoBisChriSu remind me of em
06:47:11BoBisChriS*me
06:47:32BoBisChriSok ill try that and be back with the results ^_^
06:47:46Mouser_XIt's probably the fact that I've nearly fallen asleep countless times already, and dropped the mouse on the floor once...
06:48:41scorcheBoBisChriS: for future reference, please pay special attention to the 5th guideline...paragraphs are much easier to read than 5 short messages
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07:07:36BoBisChriSok sooo
07:07:39BoBisChriSim in it
07:07:53BoBisChriShow do i go back to iPod Firmware?
07:08:54scorchethe manual tells you
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07:09:43BoBisChriSwould it be so hard to tell me?
07:10:04LloreanWould it be so hard to read the manual?
07:10:08BoBisChriSyes
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07:10:12BoBisChriSbecause i cant find it
07:10:19LloreanSearch for "original firmware"
07:10:28scorcheyou really cant find it from www.rockbox.org?
07:10:38scorchethe link that says "manual"?
07:10:54BoBisChriScan i not boot to original firmware and still have rockbox installed?
07:11:10LloreanYou can. It's in the manual
07:11:14BoBisChriSok
07:11:23BoBisChriSi can not find it in the manual
07:11:29BoBisChriSwhere in the manual is it?
07:11:34LloreanI told you what to search for
07:12:09BoBisChriS..there is no search box in the manual i am using
07:12:15BoBisChriShttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html
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07:12:44advcomp2019BoBisChriS, use ctrl+f
07:12:52Lloreanuse the PDF manual if you need to search the whole manual
07:12:56LloreanOr just read through it
07:13:06LloreanPeople ask us hundreds of questions a day which is why we wrote the manual
07:13:35BoBisChriSyeah.. i feel u... but u should really make an html page with the entire manual on one page
07:13:45LloreanYou don't magically get to be the one person we answer, and we can't be expected to answer all the questions because we have other things to do with our time. If you want help, use *your* time to get it, because no offense, we already donated a decent portion of ours to document everything
07:13:59BoBisChriSyeah
07:14:02scorchethat would be a long page that would take a while to load...as well as being a pain to navigate
07:14:06BoBisChriSi understand compleatly
07:15:11BoBisChriSthanks...
07:15:13BoBisChriSi found it
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07:15:19BoBisChriSthank you for your time
07:16:01BoBisChriSis there a way to change the default boot os?
07:16:11LloreanNot with the rockbox bootloader
07:16:15BoBisChriSok thanks
07:17:06BoBisChriSsorry i was soo needy before
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07:31:06BoBisChriSis this better than iPod Linux?
07:32:20Mouser_XThat depends on what you want.
07:32:50JdGordonmidkay_: come into -community
07:33:01BoBisChriSwell im interested in emulators
07:33:12BoBisChriSlike mame and gameboy and what not
07:33:41Mouser_XRockbox has a Gameboy emulator.
07:33:50BoBisChriSelghaspo!
07:33:53BoBisChriSlol
07:33:56scorcheipodlinux has more of that sort of thing, but if you want to speak about ipl, please join their channel
07:34:05BoBisChriSok thanks
07:34:14BoBisChriSis it on this server?
07:34:24Mouser_XBoBisChriS: Check this link - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#General_Questions
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07:35:18BoBisChriSok i have one question
07:35:43BoBisChriSwhich can play Flac files.... iPod Linux, Or RockBox
07:36:31Mouser_XI would think both. I know Rockbox can, but I can't imagine that iPod Linux wouldn't have an application that could as well.
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07:37:18BoBisChriSGHASP!
07:37:46BoBisChriSwell rockbox wins with me... IF someone can tell me to make the flippin text bigger
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07:37:56scorcheBoBisChriS: ipl isnt suited near as well as rockbox for audio playback
07:38:05scorcheBoBisChriS: that information is in the manual...
07:38:21Mouser_Xscorche is correct on both accounts.
07:38:24BoBisChriSsigh
07:38:27BoBisChriSok
07:38:58BoBisChriSi hate reading
07:39:10scorcheyou would have to read our responses
07:39:40Mouser_XHate reading? What's wrong with you? (It's one of my favorite past-times!)
07:39:48BoBisChriS;p;
07:39:50BoBisChriS**lol
07:40:00Mouser_XThe reception is much better than wathching TV.
07:40:10BoBisChriSi just dont like reading manuals and such
07:40:32BoBisChriSespicially when i know that you guys can tell me the answer off the top of ur head
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07:41:08scorcheyes...and we get asked the question many times a day...this is why we made the manual as has been explained before
07:41:16Mouser_XSome of us can't, and even if we could, it's *far* easier to read the manual, than it is to clog the channel's logs with information that's already covered elsewhere.
07:42:01scorchethe IrcGuidelines page explains our reasoning as well, as lists that you must read the FAQ and manual before asking for help here
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07:42:39BoBisChriSyeah yeah and yeah... sorry agian
07:42:54BoBisChriSi understand ur reasoning but disagree with it
07:42:56BoBisChriSsorry
07:43:03LloreanUnfortunately, it's not your choice.
07:43:06BoBisChriSi know
07:43:16BoBisChriSwhich is why im sorry
07:43:22LloreanDon't be sorry. Just follow the guidelines.
07:43:27BoBisChriSok
07:43:42*Mouser_X isn't sorry. The manual is much more useful than asking everything here.
07:44:14BoBisChriSummm one thing i cant ask the manual
07:44:24BoBisChriSthe fonts for rockbox.
07:44:26BoBisChriSit says this
07:44:49BoBisChriSRockbox can load fonts dynamically. Simply copy the .fnt file to the player and play it in the File Browser
07:44:58BoBisChriSwhere do i get said .fnt file?
07:45:39scorchethat is also said int he manual
07:45:45BoBisChriSsigh
07:45:46BoBisChriSok
07:46:05BoBisChriSWHERE!
07:46:16scorchesearch for fonts
07:46:17LloreanIt was in the installation instructions...
07:48:08BoBisChriSare these fonts in the zip larger than the default ones?
07:48:24scorchetry them and see
07:48:52BoBisChriSnow come on man,,, thats an easy question for someone like you
07:49:00BoBisChriSill do it tho
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07:52:57BoBisChriSwps files are themes?
07:53:16Mouser_XWPS files are While Playing Screens.
07:53:24Mouser_XThemes usually include a WPS.
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07:53:39Mouser_XBut it doesn't actually *have* to.
07:53:40BoBisChriSwhats a while playing screen?
07:53:53Mouser_XWhile Playing Screen. What do you think it does?
07:54:01BoBisChriSis it a picture
07:54:07BoBisChriSor a video
07:54:13Mouser_X(You have a music player... What does it do, While Playing music?)
07:54:16scorcheit is a screen...
07:54:23BoBisChriSsigh
07:54:30BoBisChriSa single screen?
07:54:31scorchespecifically the screen that displays when you are playing audio
07:54:39BoBisChriSwhatever
07:54:44scorchedoes it say while playing screens?
07:54:49BoBisChriSno
07:56:40Mouser_XBoBisChriS: If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. Just think of this as us trying to help you increase your skills in self-sufficiency.
07:57:06Mouser_X*self-reliance
07:57:12Mouser_X(I know how to spell that one.)
07:58:25BoBisChriSyeah
07:59:11BoBisChriSgive a man help,,,, help him with gaining knoledge he only needs to gain once, and he is done, tell him where to find it, and be lazy
07:59:12BoBisChriSlo
07:59:14BoBisChriSlol
07:59:20BoBisChriSthats how im lookin at it
07:59:26BoBisChriSbut i know thats not ur goal
07:59:33Mouser_XThen you're looking at it *ALL* wrong.
07:59:41BoBisChriSi appreaciate ur time
07:59:47BoBisChriSi know
07:59:59BoBisChriSand i said i know thats not it
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08:00:11BoBisChriSsorry im being bitchy
08:00:17BoBisChriSim just kinda havin a bad day
08:00:54Mouser_XPlease don't take it out here, and please don't use the "ENTER" key as a "."
08:01:00advcomp2019BoBisChriS, please read the irc guidelines
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08:01:55BoBisChriSok, sorry about scrolling on you guys like that, thats just a bad habbit of mine, you should see my aim chat logs lol
08:02:05BHSPitMonkeyno, we'd really rather not
08:02:14Mouser_Xlol
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08:04:49BoBisChriSsooo..... is there a way to change the font size?
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08:05:12scorchedidnt we just go over this?
08:05:23BoBisChriSover what?
08:05:30BoBisChriSfont sizes?, no
08:05:58Mouser_XYes, it's in the manual, and the manual *does* tell you how to do it. I remember reading it.
08:06:16Mouser_XYou installed the font pack? Did you, you know, actually try them out?
08:06:32BoBisChriSi did not install the font pack, no
08:06:44Mouser_XThis could be the start of your problems.
08:07:04BoBisChriSlol
08:08:45Mouser_X18 minutes ago, you *said* you were going to install and try them... Or at the very least, this was deeply implied.
08:08:58Mouser_X*20 min. now.
08:11:45BoBisChriSsorry
08:11:48BoBisChriSi did
08:11:53BoBisChriSanyways
08:12:00BoBisChriSwhats ur favorite Wps?
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08:12:26*Mouser_X doesn't have an iPod.
08:12:44Mouser_XThus, the WPS I like will most likely not be available for you.
08:12:51LloreanBoBisChriS: Seriously, you're still doing one and two word lines. Are we going to have to get rid of you to keep you from spamming the logs, or are you going to shape up?
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08:16:12advcomp2019BoBisChriS, the themes are up to you.. so you have to look at them.. plus can you please read the irc guidelines again
08:16:32Mouser_XAnd actually abide by them this time?
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08:18:51BoBisChriSsorry.... sigh... like i said bad habbit
08:19:07BoBisChriSwell... anyways. im off to bed land lol sleep well everyone
08:19:25BoBisChriSthank you very much for your time and help
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08:48:46webguest07u guys know if a webbased irc client exist for other channels like this one ?
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10:38:26GodEater_With Nico_P's current work on the Gigabeat S we can now boot either the OF, or a rockbox.gigabeat image located in the 2nd partition depending on whether the hold switch is either on or off. Some speculation by ptw419 about why we can't make interrupts work on the S is that the OF interferes with the setup of the controller in some way. Nico also told me that we can, instead of using an nk.bin which has had our bootloader/bootloader.bin inserte
10:38:26GodEater_d into it, use the nk.bin which is generated when you compile the bootloader. This is a standalone nk.bin, and does not contain the OF at all. This might make getting the interrupts working properly possible - but will also make life tedious while we try this out, since after sending this file to the S, the OF is no longer available at all - and therefore any sort of USB connection becomes impossible. That means that after trying something out,
10:38:27GodEater_ you have to use the reformat procedure on the device, which aliask said ended up bricking his original S after one too many uses. Would it be possible (perhaps) to strip out the OF from the original nk.bin, and save this as another file on the 2nd partition which our bootloader could then load? This would then make testing new code a lot less painful, and a lot less likely to brick the S (which would be very bad for most of us working on, give
10:38:32GodEater_n how hard they are to come by.) Discuss.
10:40:10LloreanIs it necessary to strip down the of.bin you're keeping as a file on the second partition?
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10:40:42GodEater_I've no idea
10:40:58GodEater_possibly not
10:41:33GodEater_the magic that makes dual booting possible is currently done in mknkboot at the moment
10:41:39GodEater_and I'm afraid I don't really understand it
10:42:19LloreanIt seems to me that if you could keep a spare full nk.bin on hand, that'd be nice. Both for dual boot, and for a "restore the original firmware" function like the Gigabeat F has, in case you realize everything else has gone wrong, and want to make one last attempt before reformatting.
10:42:49GodEater_very true
10:44:04GodEater_it just seemed that this was a natural extension of Nico's original idea of loading the rockbox.gigabeat file from disk, rather than from the hacked nk.bin file
10:44:27GodEater_since (if I understand correctly) doing it this way would mean no part of the OF is loaded before we run our code
10:44:39LloreanYeah, that much makes sense
10:44:47GodEater_because at the moment, the rockbox bootloader runs after a lot of WM code has already run
10:45:32GodEater_and while it's a nice idea - I lack the clue(c) necessary to implement it
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10:52:19notgodhey. I am trying to remove (uninstall) rockbox from my ipod photo. It's uninstalled, but sometimes when I reset my device I get a black on white screen telling me how to go into disk mode. How do I really completely uninstall RB?
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10:52:41Lloreannotgod: you need to uninstall the bootloader
10:52:43GodEater_notgod: did you remove the bootloader too ?
10:52:59notgodI couldn't find instructions on that. I will look again.
10:53:01notgodthanks.
10:54:39GodEater_notgod: the instructions are all in the manual
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11:03:44GodEater_I guess I'll have to wait until jhMikes can have a look (or linuxstb reappears from wherever he's gone)
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11:04:46notgodGodEater_: thanks. I remember I did the uninstall and it said it was safe to leave the boot loader in there. but it's causing me a little grief.
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11:05:05GodEater_that recent ?
11:05:09GodEater_seems I've not seem him for weeks
11:05:15Zagorapparently
11:05:34peturZagor: are you filtering the logbot actions from the irc log?
11:05:57Zagorpetur: only those where I was forced to write a password in plain text (the nickserv commands)
11:06:20BagderI guess most (all?) of the communication with the bot could be cut out as well
11:06:50Zagoryeah, but afaik I'd need to recompile the bot for that
11:07:04preglownot used to recompiling things? :)
11:07:17Bagderperhaps, isn't there something that controls what's logged?
11:07:22preglowit's a bit intimidating at first, but you'll get used to it ;)
11:07:22*Bagder can't remember
11:07:25peturit could be done when copying the log from current to datexxx
11:07:35Bagderyeah, it could be made in the rotation
11:07:36Zagorheh, I try to avoid recompiling 5+ year old binaries. bit rot is real.
11:07:43preglowouch
11:07:44preglowdon't
11:08:38Zagoractually this binary is only a little over three years old. but it sort of fits into the gray zone in my head anyway.
11:09:26preglowyes, it should
11:09:38Zagorhmm, probably it's just three years since I copied it to this location. the compile should be 2001-ish
11:12:27preglowlet's not spend time on the bot
11:12:38preglowthe only function i want it to perform is logging anyway :>
11:12:45BagderI started the curl project on the side when I worked on Dancer...
11:13:03Bagdernow I can hardly remember anything about Dancer ;-)
11:13:20BagderI'm bit rotting!
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11:14:18preglowwe call it brain rot in humans :P
11:14:28Bagderyou're flattering me ;-)
11:14:42preglowand "the way she goes" in swedes ;)
11:14:50GodEater_yeah preglow - how dare you suggest Bagder is human! :)
11:15:22Bagderhey, my wife tends to claim I'm more of a machine. But that's not in a good sense...
11:15:29peturlet's try...
11:15:33preglowwell, machines are good at some tasks!
11:15:44peturBagder explain rockbox
11:15:56preglowautodestruct
11:16:00preglowwell, worth a shot
11:16:05peturhaha
11:16:15Bagderrockbox is a cool gre (segmentation fault)
11:17:13preglowpreglow explain rockbox
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11:30:25Bagder:-P
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11:33:45preglowperhaps this one also has datasheets
11:37:56markunZagor: how's the USB code going? No time to work on it these days or just stuck?
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11:41:42karl_is Frozen Bubble 2.0 ported to rockbox, and if so, is there somewhere i can download an updated version?
11:42:01karl_of bubbles.rock, i mean
11:42:25LinusNi haven't seen any bubbles updates
11:45:52preglowme neither
11:46:22karl_know how to find out who did the port originally so I can ask them nicely to port over the new version?
11:46:42LinusNcheck the name in the source code header
11:47:21LinusNAdam Boot
11:48:02karl_rotator is his nick
11:48:47Bagderasking people for work is most often not working anyway
11:48:58karl_i know
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11:49:41karl_can't hurt to ask though
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11:55:48Rappdoes rockbox support the sansa e260, which you find everywhere in electronic stores?
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11:56:44karl_negative
11:57:09LloreanRapp: The e200 has been replaced by the e200v2 in most stores. If you can find the original version, it's supported, but the v2 is not
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11:57:33RappLlorean: and whats the difference between the e260 and the e200?
11:57:37Bagderand the e200 is still advertised as e200, so its not easy to know the diff
11:57:44Bagdere200 is the series
11:57:46Rappok
11:57:55Bagdere250 e260 e280
11:58:00Rappand IF i had a v1, would rockbox support ogg with it?
11:58:05Bagderyes
11:58:05Rapp(vorbis)
11:58:10Rappok.
11:58:11GodEater_perhaps we should call it e2xx like we do with the old irivers
11:58:32GodEater_Rapp: it would support ALL the codecs which Rockbox has
11:58:38Rappok
11:58:52Rappany chance that the v2 will be supported in the future?
11:59:03GodEater_only if someone does the work
11:59:12Bagdersure, given enough time and effort from people who own v2s
11:59:17LloreanBagder: There's an e270 as well.
11:59:22Rappok, but the hardware is known and possible to support?
11:59:24GodEater_e2x0 then
11:59:39GodEater_Rapp: there's a thread in the New Ports forum
11:59:48BagderRapp: well, there's initial work done but...
11:59:50RappGodEater_: ok.
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12:00:12Rappi wonder why sandisk et al. don't just use rockbox in the first place, and help with development...
12:00:14Bagderit was fun to figure out the checksum anyway ;-)
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12:00:41Rappi mean, other companies also use opensource software (e.g. linux) for their embedded devices...
12:01:02BagderI actually mailed my sandisk guy to see if they can hint on something on the v2, now that they've changed things and we even have the data sheet
12:01:15GodEater_Bagder: any joy ?
12:01:30GodEater_or has the great hardware secrets blackhole swallowed your email ?
12:01:31Bagdernah, I mailed yday so I don't expect any response yet
12:01:36GodEater_ah
12:01:43phr_bagder any hope for the sansa view?
12:01:55Bagderless hope for that I'd say
12:02:00phr_ah oh well
12:02:05Bagdereven though we know the file format
12:02:21LloreanThe View was using the new Nvidia/Portalplayer right?
12:02:22Bagdera fresh new PP to reverse engineeer
12:02:26Bagderyes
12:02:43phr_do you use a hardware analyzer or anything like that, to do the reverse engineering?
12:02:54phr_are there custom gate arrays etc in those players?
12:03:05Bagderthe custom thing is the main SoC
12:03:24phr_hmm they actually customize it per player ?
12:03:32phr_or i guess there's rom code in there
12:03:45Bagderits not custom per player, but a custom chip with no available docs
12:03:57phr_sigh
12:04:01Bagderand it's taken many years for us to even start being decent on the PP502x
12:04:17GodEater_and that was with a fair bit of help from the ipodlinux guys
12:04:18Bagderand now they go with a PP6110, god knows what they did
12:04:26phr_yeah this stuff sounds like an incredible amount of work, my hat is off to you guys
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12:05:22phr_i'm tempted to buy another nex3 just to take it apart but i begin to feel like porting rockbox to it is too big a task for me to really think about
12:05:26Bagderthe v2 series is a much better bet since we have the docs for that chip
12:05:45phr_what about the m200?
12:05:50GodEater_same chip
12:05:51Bagderm200 v2 has the same
12:05:55phr_right
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12:06:05Bagderalthough m200 is even more confusing, since the old and the new m200 has the same name...
12:06:22phr_yeah, i have an old m260 and it's great, i'd buy another one if i could run RB on it
12:06:30phr_especially if they make an 8gb or 16gb version
12:06:52*GodEater_ thinks we aleady had this conversation...
12:07:06phr_yeah
12:07:09Bagderhaha
12:07:21advcomp2019i think it is the m200v4 that has the same chip
12:09:14phr_v4??????
12:09:37Bagderthe firmware is v4
12:09:43phr_oh
12:09:50Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html
12:09:58phr_yeah i'm not sure what version mine is but it's a year or so old so it must have the old hardware
12:10:09phr_right i saw that page
12:11:16Bagderit's now the #1 watched page on my site ;-)
12:11:19phr_hehe
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12:11:43GodEater_people are praying at their little altars to Bagder that he'll magically make it all work
12:12:03Bagderyes, it seems they sit waiting that something will happen. And so do I! ;-)
12:12:19phr_i wonder if there's much hope of being able to upgrade (increase) the amount of flash in these things?
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12:12:44Bagderthe e200 and c200 have microsd slots
12:12:45GodEater_didn't someone do that with the Nano 1G once upon a time ?
12:12:49phr_yeah
12:13:28Bagderphr_: even if you'd find replacement chips, I'm not sure the older m200 has a chip that can work with very large nand flashes
12:13:31advcomp2019because i just looked on the sandisk forums there is a m200v1, m200v2, m200v3, and m200v4
12:13:41phr_well i'd buy a new m200 if i could upgrade it
12:14:15BagderI guess replacing the flash would take some fairly good soldering skills
12:14:37Bagderor magic
12:14:41phr_yeah
12:15:18LinusNi mostly use my soldering skills nad very seldom resort to magic
12:15:37phr_i have a different idea which is taking my c240 apart and stuffing the board into a bigger box, with some aaa cells and a full sized (16gb) sdhc slot, if i can bring out the pins from the microsdhc connector
12:15:46phr_32gb sdhc cards are supposedly coming in a month or so
12:16:16GodEater_this still has echoes of an old conversation...
12:16:18GodEater_:)
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12:16:30GodEater_yay - Nico_P is here!
12:16:44Nico_Pwow what a warm welcome :)
12:16:51Nico_PI guess I have logs to read
12:17:03GodEater_yes please :)
12:17:29GodEater_and then you can say "Great idea! It won't work because : <reasons>" or "Great idea! I can't do it though"
12:17:43GodEater_or better still "Greate idea! I'll get right on it"
12:18:06phr_so i shouldn't buy an ipod mini and put in a cf card?
12:18:12GodEater_Greate is similar to "great" only more so
12:18:49GodEater_but the mini doesn't take AA batteries...
12:19:28Nico_PGodEater_: at 10:38?
12:19:48GodEater_yep
12:20:36phr_godeater, yeah, true
12:20:51phr_and it has a proprietary usb cable
12:20:53phr_iirc
12:21:03Nico_PI guess restoring an original nk.bin might be doable... as of the interrupt setup being changed by the OF, I'm afraid using a plain rockbox nk.bin without the OF in it won't change anything because that setup is probably done before
12:21:07phr_but between using cf and running rockbox, the other stuff becomes tolerable
12:21:08Nico_Pin the parts that are in flash
12:21:11pixelmathe Ondio taks AAAs :>
12:21:17phr_ondio?
12:22:03GodEater_Nico_P: Ah - I asked ptw419 whether he meant it was done by the stuff in flash - but he didn't think it was
12:22:10GodEater_still perhaps worth a try though ?
12:22:10Nico_PGodEater_: but I'm really not the best qualified person about this... linuxstb did the dual boot magic and I didn't even really try to understand it :/
12:22:17GodEater_hehe
12:22:18GodEater_ok
12:22:27pixelmaphr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArchosOndio ;)
12:22:32Nico_PGodEater_: his guess is worth more than mine, so it could be worth trying, yeah
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12:22:39phr_rb site is hanging
12:22:58*GodEater_ wonders where linuxstb has gone
12:23:04LinusNphr_: not for me
12:23:19phr_works now
12:23:26phr_oh that's a real old player with 128mb
12:24:21phr_i wonder how hard it is to build a player. someone on the wiki claims to be doing it but i wonder how serious they are
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12:24:55GodEater_from what I can gather, the "person on the wiki" isn't being realistic about the cost involved
12:25:03GodEater_he's not purchased any hardware yet at all
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12:25:15phr_i don't really care what it costs as long as it does the right thing
12:25:18pixelmait has an MMC slot and with Rockbox 4GB cards are supported
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12:25:42phr_some reason to not use sdhc?
12:25:43GodEater_pixelma: you're referring to the Ondio yes ?
12:25:48pixelmayes
12:25:55phr_oh cool, that helps some
12:26:07phr_still, not sdhc
12:26:15GodEater_I find forcing an sdhc card into an mmc slot rarely works ;)
12:26:23phr_well the signals are different
12:26:27phr_is 4gb the max for mmc?
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12:27:00zooplehello ppl
12:27:06phr_hi
12:27:11pixelmaphr_: unfortunately yes, samsung announced 8GB over a year ago and they aren't available to the public yet
12:27:15Nico_PGodEater_: aliask had started to investigate the setup done by the OF, but I don't know if he found anything interesting
12:27:48GodEater_Nico_P: it's hard to say - it seems the wiki page went unloved for a long time
12:27:55zoopledoes anyone know where u can get more apps and games that work with rockbox?
12:28:16Nico_Pyes, people (including me) don't write enough things down on the wiki paqge
12:28:36phr_i've been thinking of trying to put an ssh client into my c240
12:28:41GodEater_zoople: all the ones which are available for it are included in the zip file which you install
12:29:11zoopleah ok
12:29:19zoopleyeah, they are all pretty good, Sukoku is my fave
12:29:34zooplei got iBoy going too and that's pretty good even tho it's a tad slow
12:29:37phr_hehe
12:30:02GodEater_I think you mean Rockboy
12:30:15zooplei think it was iboy
12:30:27GodEater_I don't think it was
12:30:32zoopleill check
12:30:33LloreanRockbox doesn't have iBoy.
12:30:41zoopleah ok, but i downloaded it
12:30:46zoopleim pretty sure, i could be mistaken
12:30:50LloreanWell, it doesn't run in Rockbox.
12:31:13zoopleok, my mistake then
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12:40:18DefineByteDo we still prefer "bootloader" to "boot loader"?
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12:40:40DefineBytein terms of the manual/
12:40:43LinusNi believe bootloader is better, but then i'm not a native english speaker
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12:41:32DefineBytei prefer it too but I'm not sure it's correct.
12:41:34phr_either is ok
12:41:40DefineByteit may well be though/
12:41:57DefineByteokay, well I've got a patch sitting on the tracker for it.
12:42:03preglowbootloader is better
12:42:13LloreanI think that "bootloader" doesn't qualify as a "real" word, but may as well be a legitimate term within the scope of the project, and see no reason we can't use it.
12:42:21preglowi don't know if it's correct or not, but you only see "bootloader"
12:42:38DefineByteFS #8323 if anyone wants to commit it. :)
12:42:44preglowwhat's boot loading anyway? loading boot?
12:43:00DefineByteHow about "web site" verses "website"?
12:43:19preglowthere i'd be willing to go with what's deemed correct, users will know what either are
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12:43:49DefineByteI'm not sure if there is a 'correct' in computer lingo. :D
12:44:43karashataaccording to Dictionary.com, it should be "boot loader" and "web site" or "web-site"
12:45:04DefineBytebah, dictionary.com is pretty bad
12:45:09DefineByteand it's American
12:45:17karashatathat's true
12:45:20LloreanI think using "bootloader" helps people know it's something we call "the bootloader" rather than some general software concept.
12:45:23phr_web-site looks a bit bogus
12:45:32*karashata shrugs
12:45:40LloreanAlso, my spellchecker (aspell) is happy with "website" at least. :-P
12:45:43phr_boot loader, web site are probably more correct
12:45:43DefineByteand for the eagle-eyed amongst you, I did mean 'versus' back there.
12:45:54phr_i like bootloader ok, website not so much :)
12:46:09karashatapersonally, I know what each is either way
12:46:16phr_yeah
12:46:35*linuxstb missed the debate, but thinks the manual should use "folder" instead of "directory", as less technical users (who are almost certainly using Windows) will be more familiar with "folder", and everyone else will understand both.
12:46:48LloreanAgreed on that one
12:46:54DefineByteI remember reading on the oxford English site that 'website' was generally preferred.
12:47:12LloreanWhile I prefer the term "directory", I usually give instructions with "folder" now because I used to get "What's a directory?" responses.
12:47:17phr_i guess website is ok
12:47:21linuxstbLlorean: Exactly...
12:47:23DefineBytereally? everyone was going with directory last time I asked. xD
12:47:29phr_i think of folder as a windows term
12:47:33*Llorean wasn't here last time you asked.
12:47:35phr_but i can live with it if it avoids confusion
12:47:53Lloreanphr_: It's more of a windows term. But MacOS people are very likely to get it too, and Linux people are generally plenty clueful.
12:48:03phr_yeah mac too
12:48:06GodEater_linuxstb: could you check the logs from this morning please - 10:36 Swedish time
12:48:27DefineByteI say keep it as directory and explain it in a glossary
12:48:39DefineBytewhich I intend to compose at some point
12:48:41GodEater_DefineByte: you get a vote when you do as much support as Llorean ;)
12:48:47linuxstbGodEater: About the Gigabeat S?
12:48:57GodEater_linuxstb: yes
12:49:08GodEater_thanks for the dual boot stuff btw
12:49:11LloreanDefineByte: "Folder" is almost the modern replacement for "Directory" anyway
12:49:15linuxstbDefineByte: Why not simply use a word _everyone_ will understand?
12:49:22DefineByteI'm happy to go with whatever the consensus is. :)
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12:50:59GodEater_jhMikeS: did you get your S yet ?
12:51:03DefineByteso "website" and "bootloader" aren't that important but we really should go with "folder"? Is that what we think?
12:51:24DefineByteI'm happy to go with that
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12:52:44linuxstbGodEater_: I don't think using a "bootloader-only" nk.bin will help - IIUC, our bootloader code is executed _before_ the OF contained in nk.bin, so the OF is never run if we load a rockbox.gigabeat. The problem will be whatever the original firmware bootloader, which (again IIUC) is what loads nk.bin in the first place.
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12:53:41GodEater_linuxstb: so using the nk.bin which is generated by the bootloader compile (which I've not tried yet) will still show the windows mobile loading screen you think ?
12:54:14linuxstbI guess so - it should look the same as the current dual-boot nk.bin.
12:54:28GodEater_oh well - it was just a thought
12:54:31linuxstbDefineByte: I've always seen them written "website" and "bootloader" (i.e. without spaces).
12:55:07DefineByteI see them more often like that too
12:55:33Nico_PGodEater_: yes, the windows mobile logo still show, but for a much shorter time
12:55:40*linuxstb asks google, and gets 277,000 hits for "bootloader" and 1,350,000 hits for "boot loader"...
12:55:59Nico_Plinuxstb: try "boot loader"
12:56:08linuxstbI did...
12:56:13LloreanI got 2 mill for bootloader, 1.26 mill for "boot loader"
12:56:18Nico_Pwith the quotation marks, that is
12:56:23linuxstbI did...
12:56:26Nico_Poh
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12:56:53DefineByteThe "directory" patch has already been committed so does it need to be reversed or shall I just make another patch to change it (pixelma added her (female, right? x)) own changes on top as well though)?
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12:57:07Nico_PGodEater_: I think the interrupt setup is probably done in the OF's bootloader, eboot.bin
12:57:27linuxstbHmm, "bootloader" with quotes gives about 2 million....
12:57:38*linuxstb didn't expect quotes to affect a search of a single word...
12:58:12DefineBytecan't imagine what quoting a single word does
12:58:49LloreanI didn't quote bootloader, and I got 2 million.
12:59:12*Llorean wonders how reliable the "about X results" bit is across multiple searches for the same term
12:59:13DefineByteit seems when you don't quote it it brings up some results for "boot loader" too.
12:59:38linuxstbLlorean: That's odd - if I don't quote bootloader, I get 277,000 and with quotes, get 2 million... Maybe some kind of odd caching
12:59:41phr_yeah it'll get both
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13:00:05DefineByteI get exactly 10,000 more results without quotes
13:00:16DefineByteerm, without
13:00:26DefineByteerm, I already said that
13:00:32DefineBytemy brain is slowly dying
13:01:39DefineByteI guess it's like when you search for "colour" and it brings up results for "color" too.
13:02:17preglowDefineByte: yes, pixelma female
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13:02:40DefineBytethanks. I never like to presume. :)
13:02:45preglowlinuxstb: so we should rename directory cache to folder cache, then?
13:02:54DefineByteeheh
13:02:55preglowwe probably should rename it to something altogether different, though
13:02:57DefineBytemaybe
13:02:58*amiconn doesn't understand the interrupt problem on gigabeat S
13:03:04preglowamiconn: interrupt problem+
13:03:06preglow? <-
13:03:22amiconnWhy would it matter whether the interrupts are set up by the OF or its bootloader?
13:03:53preglowno idea
13:04:03GodEater_amiconn: ptw419 speculates that something in the initialisation is stopping us using them
13:04:33GodEater_I thought that if it was the OF doing it, we could remove it from the sequence so that the RB code wouldn't have to find a way around that
13:04:35amiconnIt should work regardless of whether the interrupt controller is completely uninitalised or already initialised, as long as the final setup is correct
13:05:36GodEater_<ptw419> what i should have stated, is that for AVIC to work the mcu must be *responding* to interrupts(which after much much work i can only assume is not happening)
13:05:38amiconnIn fact I would expect it to be *easier* if the interrupt controller is pre-initialised, because then we only need to change the necessary things to get it running, as opposed to doing the complete setup
13:05:57GodEater_ptw419> i think there could be a number of different things w/ the interrupts such as maybe timing, spurious interrupts w/ the OF, interrupt locking from the OF, maybe problems w/ the SCC, or maybe i just didn't get it right :)
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13:07:25preglowwhy does the of matter?
13:07:32preglowdo you interact with it in some crazy-ass way?
13:07:52linuxstbpreglow: How about "disk cache" ?
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13:08:23GodEater_preglow: I'm really not qualified to say one way or the other - I'm just quoting what ptw419 told me
13:08:31GodEater_he's the one to ask questions of I guess
13:08:33GodEater_or aliask
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13:09:14Gigabeat_F_userHi folks, excellent work on the latest build - one quick q - is there a way to completely clear the current playlist?
13:09:23GodEater_I tried looking at the interrupt code yesterday - but got out of my depth almost immediately when I saw it was all in assembly code
13:09:54GodEater_I've done this much assembley code −−> <−−
13:10:32LloreanGigabeat_F_user: Stop playback (not pause) and the playlist is considered cleared if you then insert something new.
13:10:47Gigabeat_F_userthanks Llorean
13:10:51Gigabeat_F_useralthough
13:11:06Gigabeat_F_userIt is currently running a playlist but it wont stop
13:11:14pixelmaLlorean: I think there was a discussion about folder vs. directory quite a while ago... wasn't a 100% sure of the outcome but thought it could at least be consistent.
13:11:42LloreanGigabeat_F_user: What do you mean? Just press the A button.
13:11:50Gigabeat_F_userLlorean: no such joy
13:11:53markunLlorean: not POWER?
13:11:59LloreanOh, Power.
13:12:03LloreanRight, A is "Pause"
13:12:11pixelmaand I _think_ it really was directory which was preferred here last time
13:12:14DefineByteI'm pretty sure we decided on directory but,hey, times change
13:12:21Gigabeat_F_userneither power nor A stop the playlist
13:12:22Gigabeat_F_user:(
13:12:29markunGigabeat_F_user: what do they do?
13:12:30Lloreanpixelma: So I hear. All I was saying is that my vote goes to "Folder"
13:12:37Gigabeat_F_userthis is on the "Now Playing" screen
13:12:52LloreanGigabeat_F_user: Are you using an official build of Rockbox?
13:12:57*petur reads BOFH and rolls a bit on the floor
13:13:12Gigabeat_F_usermarkun: they light up the screen, but then once the screen is lit they still don't affect the playing of the music
13:13:16DefineBytecertainly if directory confuses Windows users it may be best to go with folder.
13:13:20LloreanGigabeat_F_user: Is Party Mode on?
13:13:21Gigabeat_F_userLlorean: yesterday's
13:13:29Gigabeat_F_userLlorean: yes party mode is on
13:13:30GodEater_power works as stop here
13:13:38LloreanGigabeat_F_user: Party Mode prevents pausing/stopping.
13:13:40GodEater_Gigabeat_F_user: then turn it off ;)
13:13:45Gigabeat_F_userdoh!
13:14:12pixelmaLlorean: I have no strong opinion
13:14:18Gigabeat_F_userthanks guys, I think that must have been in the docs
13:14:19DefineByteWhy do I hear about so many people turning on party mode without knowing what it is? x)
13:14:23Gigabeat_F_usersorry to have troubled y'all :|
13:14:28Lloreanpixelma: I've just been asked more "What's a directory" questions than "What's a folder" questions.
13:14:38LloreanDefineByte: Is it described in the manual?
13:14:49LloreanOr, more importantly, is it described _well_ in the manual?
13:15:03DefineByteI don't know. I haven't looked outsite of the installation section
13:15:03markunGigabeat_F_user: no problem :)
13:15:11DefineByteoutside/
13:15:58DefineByteMaybe it is confusing. One will have to look into that. :)
13:17:15Gigabeat_F_userDefineByte: that describes my usage scenario !
13:17:25Gigabeat_F_userDefineByte: that sounds cool, let's turn it on!
13:19:41DefineByteHeh, okay. I guess it must be confusing then. :)
13:20:48pixelmaLlorean: not sure how to come to a concensus there/how to proceed then :\
13:21:31DefineByteWell at least it's consistent now.
13:23:21preglowmaybe we should have a glossary...
13:24:10preglowdirectory: named file system entity that can contain other files and directories, often also called folders, drawers, chocolate cakes, etc
13:25:21DefineByteI think we should
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13:25:59ZagorI'd like a section in the manual describing the SID codec. it's rather special in several ways and confuses people.
13:26:50preglowi'd like a section for all codecs...
13:27:02preglowwhere we can list quirks, issues, etc
13:27:15Zagoryeah, ideally.
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13:34:42Zagorthar sea is rough today
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13:38:15advcomp2019they had a global notice for the us people tho
13:38:16CtcpVersion from freenode-connect!freenode@freenode/bot/connect
13:39:53LinusNhow kind of them
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13:44:24advcomp2019there might be more on how i read the notice tho
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14:02:53Kahomonorockbox problem just cropped up
14:03:29Kahomonopowered on player, bookmark was at end of one song... started the next song and FROZE with "No codec for: <filename>"
14:03:43KahomonoCan't break in to delete the offending file!
14:03:57Zagorwhich player?
14:04:05KahomonoTosh Gigabeat F
14:07:48KahomonoSo it's bricked at this point, I think. Won't respond to controls and powers on the same way even docked.
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14:09:03peturplease don't use the term 'bricked' when it just crashed...
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14:09:38Kahomonofine, if it crashed and will not recover, what would you suggest?
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14:10:18peturpower cycle?
14:10:23Kahomonodid that
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14:10:31Kahomonoflipped Batt switch
14:10:39Kahomonowhen it comes back on, same thing
14:11:02peturreset settings?
14:11:26Kahomonocan't get it to go into Disk Drive mode
14:11:39Kahomonoit tries to come back playing a song even docked
14:12:37Kahomonooho wait - taking it out of dock and plugging USB directly got it into disk mode
14:12:44KahomonoOK I can recover from here.
14:12:57KahomonoBTW does the manual cover adding new codecs?
14:13:04Zagornngh, the c200 recording screen is really annoying
14:13:15peturrockbox comes with all codecs it supports
14:13:37Kahomonohrm ok I have to remove the file that caused the problem then
14:14:05KahomonoKthxbai
14:14:11peturit might be interesting to provide this offending file for debugging
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14:14:24peturgreat....
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14:15:54RyoScan someone link me up to how prepare gcc on linux for compiling rockbox?
14:16:15RyoSfrom source ._.
14:16:32petursure... there's a script that builds the crosscompilers
14:16:46RyoSwhere can i find it? :)
14:17:08peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
14:17:18peturit is called rockboxdev.sh
14:17:36RyoSgreat
14:17:37RyoSthanks
14:18:32#>>"expadd CrossCompiler Use tools/rockboxdev.sh to build yours. Also see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor)
14:18:47petureh?
14:19:02Zagorsorry meant it to me a /msg
14:19:15peturalso misses the '='
14:19:21Zagorit's optional
14:19:25peturaha
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14:34:13bistourihi, i'd like to know if there's a way to speed up Rockboy plugin by removing nearly all others functions. You see that as possible ?
14:34:54bistouri and kudos to "PluginPictureFlow" plugin. Nice :)
14:35:11bistouriplugin > plugin dev
14:35:18Zagorbistouri: what other functions=
14:36:21bistouriZagor: err, wps and code not useful to rockboy that may be loaded at Rockbox's startup ?
14:36:40Zagorthat won't speed up rockboy
14:36:55bistouriok, thanks
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15:22:45preglowis it possible for the metadata reader to add further tracks? would be cool if playing a sid inserted all subtunes
15:25:49scorcheZagor: can you have logbot just give his reply in the channel when you give him commands in the channel instead of using notices?...terribly annoying, those are
15:27:15Zagorscorche: I'm not sure. according to the docs it uses notices to avoid triggering auto-responses from other scripts and bots
15:27:42*scorche looks around for other scripts and bots
15:28:11Zagorit's not an issue for us. what I mean is I don't know if there's support for changing it. I don't find a setting for it.
15:28:21SamBouwerhey, does anyone know where I've to ask for WritePermission for the RockBoxWiki??
15:28:25Zagor...which brings us back to the recompile issue
15:28:33ZagorSamBouwer: yes you do
15:28:39scorchethe recompile issue?
15:28:50*scorche reads logs at work and hasnt gotten there yet
15:29:23#>>"is a very old binary and I'm not sure how well the code likes new compilers and libraries" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor)
15:29:38Zagorthen again it can't hurt trying
15:30:18GodEater_SamBouwer: what Zagor means is - ask us :)
15:30:19scorchecompile logbot2 =)
15:30:27SamBouwerOw, ok:)
15:30:43SamBouwerCan I have WritePermission for the RockBoxWiki?
15:30:45GodEater_SamBouwer: Is that your wiki name too ?
15:30:50SamBouwerjep
15:30:55Zagoroh, I misread "where" as "if"
15:31:14Zagorthe words are so similar visually :)
15:31:27SamBouwer:)
15:31:32GodEater_SamBouwer: done ;)
15:31:45SamBouwer:D Thank you!
15:32:44GodEater_we have a "JordanB" wiki user who needs deleting btw
15:32:49GodEater_those who have the power
15:34:33peturthere are more of those...
15:34:42GodEater_probably
15:35:25ZagorLinusN was poking on a script for identifying all bad and abandoned pages a while ago. I wonder what happened to it.
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15:57:13webguest91hi
15:57:19webguest91is there anyone who can help me with a problem
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15:57:50Domonokywebguest91: only if you tell us your problem.. :-)
15:58:04webguest91haha
15:58:11webguest91i have the sandisk e250R
15:58:26webguest91i'm trying to copy "OF.mi4" into the "system" folder
15:58:29webguest91which is hidden folder
15:58:38webguest91but for some reason i'm not able to set my folders to show all hidden files
15:58:46webguest91it keeps reverting back to hide hidden
15:59:40webguest91http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation
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16:00:47Domonokywebguest91: this folder is marked as hidden and as system i think, so you have to tell your OS to show both..
16:00:50webguest91i'm going to try the other mode, hold on
16:01:34Domonokyor just navigate into this folder via the adress bar in the explorer.. (just enter the path)
16:04:04preglowDomonoky: how's the voice encoding stuff going?
16:04:37Domonokypreglow: slowly, as i am missing the time.. maybe this weekend.. :-)
16:04:44preglowsure, no rush, just wondering .)
16:04:46preglow:) <-
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16:08:35webguest91dang it
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16:08:40webguest91i think i messed up
16:09:04webguest91http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13770.0
16:09:28webguest91i only loaded "pp5022.mi4" and didn't get to load "OF.mi4"
16:09:32webguest91and it ended up locking up my sansa
16:10:11SamBouwerhey nico_P, I added my screendumps to the pictureflow wikipage
16:10:33Nico_Pcool :)
16:10:59Domonokywebguest91: what should this link tell us ? , and please tell us more detailed what doesnt work, and what you have done..
16:11:38webguest91i couldn't get into the system folder like other people to place the of.mi4 file in there
16:11:56webguest91and stupid me unplugged it and now the sansa is not booting correctly
16:12:25webguest91i can't seem to get it to load back into manufactor mode so i can put the file in there
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16:16:37LloreanBagder: The /mpeg folder on the download server. Is the intent of these for benchmarking, or for providing a sample video people can play to see what they can expect of their own videos?
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16:20:28peturor both
16:20:40LloreanOr both, yes.
16:21:05peturthat is how they are used now I think
16:21:08LloreanI'm playing with encoding again, and was thinking about offering new samples of high quality, realistic quality, or both.
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16:21:27LloreanEither way, the bitrates on the files on the download server are a good deal higher than they need to be, I think
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16:23:36webguest91figured it out
16:23:42webguest91the wikipedia wasn't too clear for the rhapsody version =/
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16:25:31pixelmahmm, is viewvc broken for someone else? I cannot watch one diff or file...
16:27:13webguest91are we allowed to edit the wikipedias?
16:27:31GodEater_if you mean the rockbox wiki, then yes
16:27:31webguest91"<Domonoky> or just navigate into this folder via the adress bar in the explorer.. (just enter the path)"
16:27:34webguest91you were write about that
16:27:36GodEater_it's not actually a "wikipedia"
16:27:37webguest91right*
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16:30:10webguest91can i get wiki write permission?
16:31:09webguest91i just registered
16:31:16GodEater_with what name ?
16:31:28webguest91jimmyc
16:31:32GodEater_guess again
16:31:36GodEater_you didn't read the rules on names
16:32:24webguest91ahhh sorry
16:32:33webguest91just didn't feel comfortable giving my last name
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16:32:40GodEater_that's your choice of course
16:32:42GodEater_but if you don't
16:32:46GodEater_we won't give you access
16:33:06webguest91yeah that's fine, i'll just post in the forum, hopefully people will see it
16:33:08webguest91thanks anyways
16:33:21GodEater_static information doesn't go in the forum
16:33:36webguest91i mean i found someone with similar problem
16:34:04webguest91haha nvm i just won't post anything
16:34:05webguest91got my rockbox working
16:34:12webguest91that's all that matters, thanks
16:34:26GodEater_very community spirited of you
16:34:40webguest91haha
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16:47:33*scorche|w wonders what malicious deed someone can do with having a person's first and last name (not even properly written out) mentioned on the rockbox site...
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16:49:34jac0b-workcan anyone suggest a frontend for ffmpeg
16:49:45LloreanWinFF
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16:50:37jac0b-workno kubuntu
16:52:52LloreanGoogle it. It has a linux version, and even is available as a .deb I believe. Apt isn't the only way to get software.
16:53:43preglowjac0b-work: frontend for ffmpeg?
16:53:43preglowehh
16:53:45preglowwhat about 'ffmpeg'?
16:53:56preglowit's pretty easy to use...
16:54:12Lloreanpreglow: You can't queue multiple files for conversion as easily as with a graphical front end, though.
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16:54:26jac0b-workwell I haven't tried it yet
16:55:03jac0b-workI encoded a video lastnite with mencoder and came out pretty bad
16:55:14jac0b-workso I want to try a different program
16:55:19Lloreanmencoder should use the same libraries as ffmpeg.
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16:56:53jac0b-workhmm so ffmpeg is basiclly the same as mencoder
16:57:37LloreanIf it came out looking bad, you either have higher expectations from the relatively poor screens on the player, or you chose bad settings, I'd say.
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16:58:21Domonokypreglow: what do you think about this patch to rbspeex ?? http://viewsource.de/view/b4b18aec063a050f471f69a465428b0e328e07dhttp://viewsource.de/view/b4b18aec063a050f471f69a465428b0e328e07df
16:58:22jac0b-workshould I lower the bitrate of the video
16:58:33LloreanLowering the bitrate makes quality worse...
16:59:26jac0b-workwell the image quality was fine it was the freezing
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17:01:07LloreanWhat player do you have, and what framerate did you set when encoding?
17:01:14preglowDomonoky: is this just splitting files up, or have you done some other stuff too?
17:01:16jac0b-workgigabeat f
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17:01:31Domonokypreglow: only splitting..
17:01:33jac0b-workbitrate 800
17:02:00preglowDomonoky: looks good to me
17:02:13Domonokypreglow: http://viewsource.de/view/8dd5564b4953f8af89a2e34e85de6e7f37e394b4 even better, only building a librbspeex.a and not two libs..
17:02:13LloreanThe Gigabeat F should be able to handle 30fps fullscreen at 800kbps no problem.
17:02:17jac0b-workI copied the rest from the wiki for mencoder
17:02:38jac0b-workvmax_b_frames=16
17:02:44jac0b-workis that the framerate
17:02:47LloreanNo
17:02:49preglowDomonoky: also cool
17:03:22jac0b-work-ofps 25
17:03:25Domonokypreglow: so i will commit it, as a step to the integration into rbutil...
17:03:28LloreanThat would be it.
17:03:28jac0b-workthats it right
17:03:31LloreanLess than 30 so it should be fine.
17:04:10jac0b-workhmm I don't know then
17:04:19jac0b-workmaybe I should try again
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17:05:01LloreanI personally just did a test with 1200kbps video, though widescreen not fullscreen, and it decoded at 59fps
17:05:17jac0b-workfor the gigabeat
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17:05:30LloreanYes.
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17:05:48Axiohi guys
17:05:55jac0b-workI am encoding the diggnation videos
17:05:58Axiothank you for rockbox
17:06:04jac0b-workis there a preffered format
17:06:10preglowDomonoky: go ahead, looks good
17:07:06jac0b-workI was using the wmv
17:07:18jac0b-workahould I use the avi or m4v
17:07:26jac0b-workshould*
17:07:31LloreanThat shouldn't matter
17:07:32scorche|wjac0b-work: rockbox plays only mpeg-1 and mpeg-2 video files
17:07:37LloreanOnce you've converted it, the original format doesn't matter
17:07:46scorche|woh...you meant the original?
17:07:48jac0b-workoh okay
17:07:52LloreanThough mencoder may not handle WMV input well.
17:08:10LloreanBut I assume you tested the .mpg file you got out of it to see if the problem was on-player, or bad file, right?
17:09:08jac0b-workyeah on the comp. it was fine but when I put it on the player it would freeze
17:10:03jac0b-workI will try a different format like their avi or m4v
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17:10:12LloreanI personally convert my videos at -qscale 6, which results in bitrates in the 300-400ish range for widescreen content. Dunno for fullscreen.
17:11:20jac0b-workwhat is that
17:12:59LloreanIt's a different way of setting quality
17:15:02jac0b-workI will have to try some different stuff but thanks for the help
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17:25:11webguest18hi, I'm looking for write access to post an fmr preset file... could anybody grant that? My username is FedericoOReilly
17:30:12krazykitsure, just a second
17:31:13krazykityou should be all set.
17:33:02webguest18thanks a bunch bro
17:33:23webguest18any pointers on editing and not messing things up?
17:35:54webguest18OK, it's probably not difficult, it's a wiki...
17:36:01webguest18Thanks and cheers.
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17:37:41LloreanjhMikeS: Still interested in mpeg files that play out of sync, or should those wait on the rework you talk about from time to time to see if that fixes them?
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17:39:45Jetonif anyone could upload a screendump of Picture Flow on Sansa for the wiki (i don't have access), here's a link to it: http://www.box.net/shared/taz19b3lvk
17:40:10LloreanjhMikeS: Nevermind, I was apparently trying a different file on my PC. Testing the one on my player, it's out of sync on the PC side too.
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17:49:16GodEater_Jeton: why not sign up and get access then ?
17:49:44Jetonuhm ,i've never used the Rockbox wiki. I'm afraid i might screw up something...
17:49:58GodEater_it's not too tough, if you read the guide...
17:50:21Jetonokay.
17:50:47GodEater_besides, the wiki maintains a revision history, so we can go back if you *do* manage to break it
17:51:43Jetonah. that's comforting then :)
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17:54:42preglowshut up!
17:59:12Jetonit seems i need access to edit the page : Access check on Main.PluginPictureFlow failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web.
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18:04:03scorche|whttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration
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18:05:35Jetonfor the PictureFlow wiki page , to add a screendump of the plugin on Sansa.
18:09:00Axiois there an easy way to grab covers on linux ?
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18:12:29Jetonaxio: amarok maybe?
18:12:31krazykitAxio, there is, actually, but the page is down and i haven't rehosted the binaries for the program
18:13:31Axiook thanks
18:13:58AxioJeton, i have a script for amarok but i don't know how it works : /
18:14:10krazykitAxio, i'm actually rehosting them now
18:14:48krazykitAxio, http://biomoose.com/mirror/albumart/
18:15:05Axiocool ! ty
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18:19:21Axiokrazykit, .deb and .gz are corrupted :o
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18:27:06krazykitAxio, hm, lemme check it out
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18:31:11krazykitAxio, it appears all the files are corrupt. archive.org must be broken :-/
18:32:16Axio:( i will try to find it
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18:35:09krazykitAxio, you can get the source here: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/gentoo/distfiles/albumart-1.6.0.tar.gz
18:36:04jhMikeSLlorean: Hehe. I'm just happy to have faster frame-accurate seeking on an handheld device than the sloppy seeking on pretty much any media player for a PC :D
18:36:05Axiokrazykit, yeah i have it but i don't know how to compile/install it...
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18:36:28krazykitAxio, then consult your distro's documentation ;-)
18:37:55LloreanjhMikeS: Apparently any time I encode my copy of Blade Runner to any format I tried (really only a few different mpeg2 settings, and mpeg4), the audio was out of sync with the video. Meanwhile, the clean VOB from the DVD was fine, and ffplay even played the .vob fine, and in sync. :( Something for me to figure out I guess.
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18:41:09jhMikeSLlorean: It uses audio timestamps for sync as any mpeg player with audio as time master so if sync is off there it's by far more likely the file.
18:42:03LloreanWell the original file I ripped from my DVD plays fine in ffplay, but when I use ffmpeg to encode it, the output I get is out of sync. It seems really odd.
18:42:12*jhMikeS tried reencoding the 320x240 ED clip with mplayer and it totally botched the sync
18:42:27jhMikeSmencoder even
18:42:52LloreanI transcoded the original 1080p ED with the same settings I tried using for Blade Runner and got a perfectly in sync clip.
18:43:10LloreanAnd a file 2/3 the size of the one hosted on download.rockbox.org
18:43:44jhMikeSAlway use B-frames for better quality and compression too. ED has only I and P.
18:44:10LloreanI'm actually not sure if I'm using bframes.
18:44:38LloreanHey, I wasn't. Hm.
18:44:55jhMikeSWell, it's a copout that makes an encoder look faster but lets it remain technically compliant.
18:45:29LloreanI'm using several settings I have no idea what do.
18:45:46jhMikeSI'd be sure to turn them on though along with frequent GOPs if possible.
18:46:05LloreanThey were recommended for my mpeg4 encoding, and when I tried them with mpeg2 they didn't cause ffmpeg to explode, and lowered the bitrate at the same qscale
18:46:14LloreanI have -g 300
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18:47:13LloreanAgain, no clue what the value does, it was just the recommended value.
18:47:22LloreanAnd -bf 2 was what was recommended for bframes.
18:48:17jhMikeSthat's a good setting...could do more if you want to wait longer. do they have an option for using open GOPs or is that done by default?
18:48:50LloreanThere's a flag for closed gops, so I assume open by default?
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18:49:26jhMikeSyeah, should be. closed are better for editing.
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18:53:17LloreanI guess the only ones I don't know if apply to mpeg2 are trellised quantization and the "aic" flag. I kinda assumed I could copy and paste the parameters I was using elsewhere, and it'd explode on any of them it doesn't like, but considering 4mv is actually marked as "mpeg4" I guess it just ignored them on flags.
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18:54:26LloreanSince I don't know what most of this means, I'm basically fumbling in the dark anyway.
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18:56:08Nico_PjhMikeS: hi! I was wondering, did you order an S in the end?
18:56:42jhMikeSshould be coming
18:56:48Nico_Pawesome :)
18:57:31jhMikeSgot lucky just in time and someone payed me a good chunk of change just to hook up a TV set :)
18:58:36Nico_Phaha lucky you :)
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18:58:53Nico_Pdon't forget to tell us when you get it ;)
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18:59:46jhMikeSI don't know if toffe82 even sent it yet. He asked for my address a couple days ago. Didn't see a notice in my inbox.
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19:02:41jhMikeSWhatever he wanted to send me inexpensively. :p
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19:07:13low_lightjhMikeS: this simple patch seems to fix the c200 radio problems (with the lv24020)...http://rafb.net/p/F7sLKB80.html
19:07:32low_lightfor whatever reason, some c200 tuners don't like that bit cleared
19:08:04low_lightI don't know if it does anything to the e200's
19:08:43jhMikeSwhich bit?
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19:09:29jhMikeSDoes retailos clear it?
19:09:31low_lightbit 5 = FM_DATA_PIN
19:09:42low_lightNo
19:10:28jhMikeSIt's probably safe to just leave them set for radio on all devices. perhaps the dodgey e200s hate it too?
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19:11:26jhMikeSwere the symptoms similar with radio not being detected all the time and such?
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19:12:33low_lightjhMikeS: the main problem was it wouldn't tune properly
19:13:09JetonI registered on the wiki of Rockbox, with the username JetonAliji , can someone give me write access? I want to post a screendump of PictureFlow on Sansa.
19:13:26jhMikeSLlorean: were the difficult e200s showing that too?
19:13:54low_lightjhMikeS: I think the tuner is powered up for detection purposes, then powered off. When you go back to the radio, it won't tune.
19:14:38low_lightI noticed that if_set and sd_set were 0 because tuner_measure was not was not working
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19:15:10jhMikeSyeah, no measurement was possible for some reason
19:15:23low_lightjhMikeS: here's what the OF does...http://rafb.net/p/kFHSQN31.html
19:16:32LloreanjhMikeS: AFAIK, the difficulties with the e200 are either "when you tune, it's a bit off, like 0.05 hz beside where it should be" and "sometimes the radio isn't detected upon boot"
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19:17:19jhMikeS.05Hz should be quite close enought :>
19:17:43low_lightjhMikeS: and here's the OF segment for power up (same as RB)...http://rafb.net/p/Lnw8mr64.html
19:18:13jhMikeSlow_light: I admit I never looked at the retailos at all re: the radio. :p
19:20:01jhMikeSLooks like the outputs are kepts enabled for bit 4+5 and just set low for "off"
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19:20:09pixelmaI had the "not detected" in the beginning too om my c200 but that didn't happen for a longtime. But I had the frequencies off (muuuch more than 0.05 HZ ;) ) that happened regularly when playing some files before - was usually ok right after boot
19:20:13jhMikeS3+4 rather
19:24:44jhMikeSthe woot special doesn't seem to have FM trouble at all either.
19:25:28low_lightthe OF has a check which will re-init the tuner...http://rafb.net/p/3hvEvx70.html
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19:26:05mexicankillerhello,I'm back after ages that I haven't been here,too much changes in rockbox
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19:27:16jhMikeSlow_light: a retry? the ata driver has to do that for the main flash after inserting a card sometimes. interesting.
19:28:04low_lightjhMikeS: and it also checks for other chip_id's (although the datasheet says it should be 0x9)...http://rafb.net/p/jHMyFi40.html
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19:29:21jhMikeSr4+6 = pointer out value for function?
19:29:31low_lightI've never had the problem of the tuner not showing up
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19:30:18jhMikeSafaik noones had one that displayed symptoms of using a different chip ID. perhaps it
19:30:26jhMikeS's generic code for different players?
19:30:54low_lightjhMikeS: I don't know what that value is used for
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19:31:44low_lightwe could save the chip id reported for the debug screen
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19:33:41jhMikeStrue...I seem to remember the original Ivan Zupan patch having that :\. Bah, put it in.
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19:35:05krazykitfcukyou, please stop spamming and change your nick to something inoffensive
19:35:06mexicankillerhey who is messing here?
19:35:20mexicankillerwhat happens?
19:35:24mexicankilleromg
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19:37:21jhMikeSlow_light: why not correct that register SNAFU re: STRAP_OPT_A and DEV_TIMING_1?
19:37:52jhMikeSlow_light: while you're committing something. I hate making commits for reg names alone usually.
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19:39:29pixelmascorche, preglow?
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19:40:35mexicankillerscorche whats going on?
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19:41:49mexicankillerI'm going to log off,too much weirdness here
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19:42:09scorche|wmexicankiller: welcome to IRC...these things happen at times..
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19:42:59fcukyouI'm back
19:43:08fcukyouyou were talking to me
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19:43:23scorche|ware you willing to follow our IRC guidelines?
19:43:27fcukyoubye bye
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19:44:06mexicankillerso as I'm watching here,I see wirdness
19:44:14jhMikeSbest way to answer that question fcukyou could have come up with :)
19:44:15mexicankiller*weirdness
19:44:29krazykitmexicankiller, it happens occasionally. it's normally not like that.
19:44:33scorche|wmexicankiller: this is IRC...these things happen at times
19:44:37mexicankilleroh ok
19:44:59jhMikeSmexicankiller: that's nothing :) It's usually much more weird.
19:45:05mexicankillerhappens ocassionally as an atomic bomb:P
19:46:02mexicankillerguys I still don't know how to code
19:46:19mexicankillerI just know about hardware things
19:47:28mexicankilleroh my
19:47:36mexicankillerI have to get set to go to school
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19:47:41mexicankiller12:47pm
19:47:42krazykitmexicankiller, please keep in mind this is an on-topic channel
19:47:46mexicankillerok
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19:48:21mexicankillerhow I can get the memory modules for a sansa e250?
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19:48:33jhMikeSit a not-off-topic channel at the very least :)
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19:49:11krazykitmexicankiller, you mean the microSD cards? you can get them at any electronics store and various online retailers.
19:49:31mexicankillernopes,I mean the memory module,where its the ram mounted
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19:50:03jhMikeSmexicakiller: are you the one that broke it trying to pull it out like >= 3 months ago?
19:50:25jhMikeS*mexicankiller
19:50:42mexicankillerI am that
19:50:53mexicankillerand to worse the case
19:50:57low_lightjhMikeS: my time on a computer from which I can commit has been limited...and I forgot about that change
19:50:59mexicankillerI've lost the cable
19:51:15scorche|wmexicankiller: so am i going to ban you too, or what?
19:51:27mexicankillernopes
19:51:34mexicankillerban me?,why?
19:51:38scorche|wthen why did you spam us?
19:51:41jhMikeSlow_light: I just left it since I though you were going to do it :)
19:51:46scorche|wuh...you = fcukyou
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19:52:01mexicankillerof course I'm not
19:52:10scorche|wyes you are...CGI:IRC logs the IP
19:52:22mexicankillerI'm not
19:52:23scorche|wi am not stupid
19:52:30mexicankilleryou aren't of course
19:52:41mexicankillerbut I haven't done anything bad
19:52:49scorche|walright...then do a conversion of the hex "bd9ce977" to IP
19:53:09scorche|wyou get 189.156.233.119 which just so happens to be the same as the one you are suing
19:53:17mexicankillernopes
19:53:33*jhMikeS just reconnects his service and gets a whole new IP and uses it to cheat on things. :p
19:53:35scorche|wlying to me isnt making you look any better
19:53:47mexicankillerI'm not lying
19:53:55mexicankillerif you can't trust me
19:54:00LloreanThen explain why you and he have the same IP address?
19:54:19mexicankillermine ends with 112
19:54:33scorche|wno, it doesnt
19:54:44karashata[13:42:41] *** mexicankiller (i=chatzill@189.156.233.119) joined <−− try again pal...
19:55:01mexicankillermine ends with 112
19:55:10*jhMikeS sees .119 too
19:55:12Lloreanmexicankiller: No, it really doesn't.
19:55:16mexicankillerI'm looking now at cmd
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19:56:00scorche|walright...goodbye then
19:56:34Mode"#rockbox +b *!*chatzill@189.156.233.119 " by scorche|w (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
19:56:39Kick(#rockbox mexicankiller :scorche|w) by scorche|w!n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche
19:57:16scorche|wthat is an easy ban to get around (ident ban), but i didnt want to ban a whole IP address just yet...
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19:58:09jhMikeSscorche|w: especially since we don't know how many people have the same IP...wouldn't want to ban the wrong people. :p
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19:59:17scorche|whe was just acting too naive...it triggered my "something is wrong with this picture" nerve
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20:04:29scorche|wjhMikeS: you going to be around for the next hour or so and know how to use IRC commands?
20:05:54jhMikeSscorche|w: I'll be here. I'm not very familiar with IRC command yet however.
20:06:25krazykitjhMikeS, all you really need to know is /ban and /kick anyway :P
20:06:31*jhMikeS knows how to pester the logbot a bit
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20:06:51scorche|wjhMikeS: check the IrcAdministration wikipage...i have work to do, so am not going to be around (in case he gets around the ident ban)
20:06:58Mode"#rockbox +o jhMikeS " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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20:07:33jhMikeSthat just gave me op priviliges?
20:07:36peturah logbot... :)
20:07:44scorche|wtemporarily
20:08:00#>>"explain logbot" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
20:08:09scorche|wugh...notices...
20:08:13jhMikeSIt has other funny responses
20:08:29jhMikeSI forgot how I made them come up
20:08:31*scorche|w is off to do work
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20:13:33omryhi all, I am using rockbox on sansa-e280. and I have a very long flight ahead of me. is there a way to temporarily boot into the original firmware (it's more energy efficient) ?
20:13:53Tuplanollayeah, hold the rewind key when booting
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20:28:18Domonokypreglow: i just commited integration of librbspeex and reworked encoder config for rbutil... :-)
20:28:50Domonokynow the tts config should also be reworked the same way.. :-/ *more work*
20:30:41*jhMikeS keeps getting tracebacks when clicking file commit links on the front page :\
20:31:13*Domonoky too
20:31:20rasherLooks like viewvc is hosed
20:31:27peturyup
20:31:41rasherOr rather, looks like a dependency got removed
20:31:49pixelmaI asked if someone else gets that like 4 hours ago... at least I have an answer now :>
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20:31:59jhMikeSpetur: what else helped the problem with recording (since I can't see what was changed atm)
20:32:38petursome more spots where failed writing to a file caused an incorrect filesize
20:33:33peturso not recording specific but filesystem issues
20:33:52jhMikeSeek
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20:34:18jhMikeSpetur: no difficulty since the boosting changes I hope?
20:34:55jhMikeSor more accurately "caused by" :)
20:35:57peturhave not seen anything go bad - my commit was only for the disk-full issue
20:36:26peturhave done some shows without any glitch
20:36:43jhMikeSMake any batt life difference since it can sleep the processor?
20:36:49petur(trust me, you would have known by now if it was buggy)
20:37:09jhMikeShaha...ok :)
20:37:10peturhaven't done recording batt benches
20:37:30peturit takes too long with this 2200mAh :)
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20:54:20kahrytanIs it possible to try rockbox and rollback original firmware? if not happy with it?
20:54:45krazykitkahrytan, yes it is.
20:54:49scorche|wthe original firmware isnt deleted
20:55:06kahrytanHows it work then?
20:55:41peturdepends on your device
20:55:48scorche|wthat depends on your device...but rockbox is dual boot on most devices by default and is perfectly uninstallable
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21:01:44Nico_PDomonoky: I couldn't compile rbutil
21:02:32DomonokyNico_P: you need to compile rbspeex in tools first.. :-)
21:03:50Nico_Pthat doesn't seem to be my problem... looks like qt3's uic is being used
21:04:51Nico_Pok, that was because I had run qmake in an attempt to make things work better, but after qmake-qt4 things still don't work
21:05:00DomonokyNico_P. rerun qmake, in rbutil and in the rbutilqt folder, and make sure you use qt4s qmake
21:05:30Nico_Pmake clean; qmake-qt4; make is what I do... I get a complaint about encexescfgfrm.ui
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21:05:58Domonokyoh, maybe i missed to commit it ? me checks..
21:06:58DomonokyNico_P: svn update and try again please..
21:08:28Nico_Ptalkfile.h:27:22: erreur: encoders.h : Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type ("no such file or directory")
21:08:52*Domonoky missed more files .. :-/
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21:10:05*Domonoky hopes he got now all of them.. :-/
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21:11:56Nico_Phmm the files seem to all be there but I get linking errors
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21:12:48DomonokyNico_P: you built rbspeex before ?
21:13:21Nico_Pyes
21:13:49Domonokyhm, so waht linking errors are there ?
21:13:57Nico_Pall in encoders.cpp
21:14:23Nico_Pthey do seem to be related to rbspeexenc, but I double checked: I built it
21:14:53Domonokycan you give me the errors in a pastebin ?
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21:16:12Nico_Pyes
21:17:29Nico_Phttp://pastebin.ca/816432
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21:18:31Domonokyit seem i cant access this pastebin :-/
21:22:17Nico_Phttp://rafb.net/p/o86qR693.html
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21:23:50Nico_PDomonoky: better?
21:24:07Domonokystrange why does this work for me ? i will try it on linux... its not rbspeex, its a problem with vtable of EncBase
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21:28:45*Domonoky can also compile it on linux without problems..
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21:35:57DomonokyNico_P: can you try removing the destructor of EncBase in encoders.h and recompile ?
21:42:44Nico_PI'll try that
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21:44:16Nico_PDomonoky: which one is the destructor? I'm not familiar with C°°
21:44:20Nico_Por C++
21:44:41Domonokyvirtual ~EncBase()
21:46:44Nico_PI removed that from encoders.h... still the same errors
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21:48:04Domonokythen i also dont know, i cant reproduce it.. :-/
21:48:41Nico_Pwhat's vtable?
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21:50:57faemirare there any plans to make pictureflow do something? like when you click the album it goes to it or something?
21:51:20Nico_Pfaemir: there's a patch in the queue that makes it show the tracklist
21:51:39faemiroh cool
21:51:46faemirit's just pretty and all, but doesn't do much XD
21:51:51Nico_Pwith a very neat transition I might add
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21:52:07faemirAlso - why are loads of my .bmps unreadable by the plugin?
21:52:50Nico_Pno idea... I'd need a little more detail
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21:57:42DomonokyNico_P: a vtable is a table the compiler generates to handle inheritance
21:58:27Nico_Pright
21:58:41faemirNico_P: well when I make it load the images like 1/2 of them it says it cannot read them - that's all the info it gives
21:59:18Nico_Pfaemir: maybe rebuild your DB and see if it improves things
21:59:33faemirI did, it collected a few more
21:59:41Nico_Phmm
21:59:59faemirheh, I also managed to resize all my pictures to 75 x 75 instead of 100 x 100 so they look smaller than normal :(
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22:00:58Nico_Pfaemir: are some of these bitmaps bigger than your screen?
22:01:06faemirNico_P: nope
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22:01:16faemirall 75 x 75
22:01:17faemir:|
22:03:39Nico_Phmm there are a bunch of reasons read_bmp_file could fail
22:04:14Nico_Pcould you send me one of the failing bitmaps? (I know it might be tough to find which fail, maybe try in the sim)
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22:18:20l00kpHey guys; I have a question about recording. Mind if I ask?
22:20:04Bagderjust ask and you'll see if someone can answer
22:22:28l00kpWhat audio format does rockbox use to record?
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22:22:53l00kpI read that rockbox supports recording with the ipods, but the format is unlisted.
22:24:03preglowwav, aiff, wavpack and mp3
22:24:59l00kpSweet.
22:25:35l00kpWoud the add on mic and line in ipod adapters work with rockbox?
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22:27:56l00kp......?
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22:28:25scorche|wyes, you can use the line-in...please be patient when waiting for answers
22:28:34krazykitl00kp, please have patience when waiting for a reply. the wiki might tell you what peripherals specifically allow recording
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22:30:31l00kpOkay, I found the wiki link for ipod accessories, so I'm good.
22:30:50l00kpThanks!
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22:48:49Topy44hello
22:49:38Topy44i just upgraded my vmware player, and since i cannot get the rockbox vmware package to run anymore (kernel panic at startup)
22:49:43Topy44has anyone had that problem?
22:50:05Topy44(i realise this is more of a vmwave question, but other vm's seem to work fine)
22:50:16peturif it ain't broken, don't fix it... ;)
22:50:38Topy44yeah, i figured, should have kept the old vmware version :)
22:51:26RyoSTopy44: you could actually install some random distro and prepare it yourself
22:51:47Topy44guess i could... but i thought it might be a known problem
22:51:52RyoSrun that script in the sources (rockboxdev.sh or something) and edit one line for the bashrc or whatever
22:52:30RyoSyou could provide more infos like when it does panic
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22:53:18RyoSmost likely the new player does use other pseudo hardware and the kernel doesnt have the code compiled in
22:53:21Topy44Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... general protection fault blabla
22:53:50Topy44(and yes, i believe they changed something in the cpu emulation)
22:54:51Topy44i think i'll try installing an older vmware version first
22:55:16RyoShttp://bugs.archlinux.org/task/5464
22:55:21RyoSthats related
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22:59:50Topy44hm... has anyone here successfuly launched the rockbox vmware package with any 2.x vmware version? (as the one linked from the rockbox page)
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23:00:21Topy44as i cannot see any changes in the last few vmware versions that seem to be connected to the problem
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23:02:14Topy44ah wth, i'll just revert back to 1.0.5
23:02:23Topy44at least that one works
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23:12:52*Domonoky thinks again about voice generation in rbutil. But this would need the features file for every target and the .lang file aviable on the rockbox server...
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23:21:23Topy44i am still thinking around if it is somehow possible to avoid the annoying noise the x5 records during hd-write
23:21:47Topy44(once a minute with wavpack 44khz stereo)
23:22:30Topy44if anyone has any ideas i might try implementing them...
23:23:36bertrikdo you know what causes the noise? it is coupling through the power supply? or is it something like an unused audio input that picks it up?
23:24:22Topy44i believe its a hardware flaw, electrical interference from the harddisk leaking into the adc, but i dont know how specificly (not an expert at that)
23:25:12Topy44however i DID once take apart my x5 and try physicly shielding the hd from the circuit, no change at all, so its not a shielding problem
23:25:24bertrikline-in or mic?
23:25:35Topy44(sorry if my english sucks, its not my native language)
23:25:57Topy44line-in
23:27:03bertrikok sounds like a hardware flaw
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23:27:23Topy44yes, so much is sure, as it happens with the original firmware aswell
23:27:35Topy44doesnt mean we cant make a workaround though :)
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23:28:53bertrikwhat does the interference sound like, a click, buzz?
23:29:07Topy44i have an isolated recording of it if you want
23:29:12Topy44just a sec, i'll upload it
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23:29:33Topy44(you wont hear it at normal volume, but since i usually amplify my recordings afterwards it gets annoying)
23:30:01bertrikto be honest, i think I can't really help you as I don't have the device myself, but at least i can help thinking about /analysing the problem
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23:30:45Topy44well, its... hm... buzzing
23:31:01Topy44it has a very specific character
23:31:13Topy44very high pitched
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23:33:54Topy44one possibility i was thinking about - i suggested it about 6 months ago, but didnt get into actually doing anything - would be to try to write at high volumes
23:34:38Topy44as its only audible between tracks or very silent parts
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23:36:38bertrikok makes sense
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23:38:07H10_007quickBarrywardell: hey I know that you have put alot of effort into the H10 build and getting it off the ground. I have just recently broken my h10 by means of dropping it. It seems the hard drive is not working
23:38:25H10_007quickDo you want it?
23:38:31H10_007quickwould it be of any use to you?
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23:39:16Topy44i think it might be quite a trick though, and i would probably be the only person really using it :)
23:39:32Topy44doesnt seem that many people really use the x5 for serious recording
23:40:05H10_007quickbarrywardell: maybe you have an extra hard drive sitting around. I have the 5gb version
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23:41:56Jetonanyone wiling to add me Write Access for the wiki ? I'm registered with this username: JetonAliji
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23:45:15Jetonanyone?
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23:46:31Topy44hm... how much ram does rockbox use for buffering audio on recording between writes?
23:46:40Topy44as much as available? model specific?
23:47:11H10_007quickbarrywardell: please send me a personal message on the forums at 007quick I have to go
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23:51:26JetonGodEater: you said this wasn't that complicated. It seems the access part is the most complicated one...
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23:52:45BagderJeton: done!
23:52:58Jetonyay!
23:53:00Jetonthank you.
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