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00:15:08 | countrymonkey | The manual won't build. Why? I installed unicoad, now what? |
00:15:27 | countrymonkey | I tried my make thingy with splithtml=1 make -html |
00:20:55 | petur | countrymonkey: surely it spits out some error that helps? |
00:21:22 | countrymonkey | It does the wierdest thing. It copies the manual dir into the build dir. source latex and all |
00:22:19 | petur | it does that here too |
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00:23:40 | countrymonkey | Is that a supposed to thing? What do I do to get a build and not the source coad? |
00:24:32 | petur | I don't have all I need to build html, but the normal pdf builds fine - does that work for you? |
00:24:44 | countrymonkey | Let me try. |
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00:28:19 | countrymonkey | LaTeX error: file utf8x.def doesn't exist |
00:30:22 | petur | well I'm no manual guru, and those I know aren't around |
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00:31:01 | petur | did you follow http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto |
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00:31:17 | countrymonkey | yes |
00:31:46 | countrymonkey | Who are the manual gies? I'll talk to them when they come round. |
00:32:05 | petur | pixelma, bluebrother, ... |
00:32:26 | countrymonkey | And who else? |
00:32:53 | petur | don't torture my bad memory |
00:33:37 | * | petur peeks in svn |
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00:34:25 | petur | tucoz, markun, cassandra, Nico_P |
00:34:48 | countrymonkey | I would say speaking 2 languages is good memory. I speak 2 nonfluently, but... |
00:35:20 | * | petur speaks 4 but has a bad memory anyway |
00:35:50 | countrymonkey | What others do you speak? english, duch, what else? |
00:36:03 | petur | french and german |
00:36:30 | countrymonkey | fluently? |
00:36:34 | Nico_P | countrymonkey: looks like you need to install UTF8 support for latex |
00:36:41 | petur | I live in a small country, drive 100km and you need another language :) |
00:36:56 | countrymonkey | How do you do that? |
00:37:13 | Nico_P | what system do you use? |
00:37:28 | countrymonkey | windows/cygwin |
00:37:42 | Nico_P | hmm then I don't know |
00:38:15 | petur | Nico_P: btw, trying to build the html manual failed with the message that it needs htlatex - what package would that be? |
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00:39:59 | Nico_P | petur: assuming you use a debian derivative, tex4ht |
00:40:41 | petur | thanks! |
00:41:03 | petur | I guess http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/ won't work for cygwin? |
00:41:24 | Nico_P | countrymonkey: for cygwin, all you need should be the TeTeX and TeTeX-extras packages |
00:41:56 | n1s | I never managed to get html manual building working... |
00:42:00 | countrymonkey | I just clicked on default at both package selection screens for both base and mirror downloads. |
00:42:17 | Nico_P | petur: I'm not sure what this is, but I installed latex-ucs to use unicode in latex |
00:42:29 | Nico_P | I haven't built the manual yet though |
00:42:49 | Nico_P | countrymonkey: you might need to go over that again then |
00:43:49 | petur | Nico_P: hmmm html build failed here too now... but I don't care ;) |
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00:45:13 | countrymonkey | I have an inspiration. Let me try it. It goes back to what define_byte told me before the boring xmas party I went to. |
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00:49:18 | * | Nico_P is hunting the H10 pictureflow bug |
00:49:22 | Nico_P | tough one |
00:50:56 | countrymonkey | I think you are supposed to run some command or other after you installed unicoad. What command is that. It is so latex knows the files are there. |
00:51:33 | Nico_P | I don't know |
00:51:41 | petur | Nico_P: small or big H10? and what's the bug? |
00:52:15 | Nico_P | petur: small H10, a data abort right at the end of the caching process... thankfully it also occurs in the sim |
00:52:30 | Nico_P | it seems to be memory corruption |
00:52:41 | krazykit | countrymonkey, http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/content/INSTALL |
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00:54:40 | petur | Nico_P: bah, I have database off, and I get the 'no albums' splash on top of a garbled logo |
00:55:14 | Nico_P | petur: yeah you need datbase on... don't know why the logo would be garbled though |
00:55:43 | petur | I know about the database part, it was the garbling I wanted to tell you ;) |
00:56:29 | petur | was something fixed there lately, the build is some days old |
00:56:40 | Nico_P | I'm not sure |
00:57:00 | Nico_P | I don't remember anything regarding the logo |
00:58:45 | petur | same thing with current svn... |
00:59:24 | Nico_P | strange, it's working fine on the sim and you're the first one to report that |
00:59:28 | petur | ah wait, that disk is full - it is my recording test target :) |
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01:00:04 | * | petur wonders what the database will do with a full disk |
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01:08:25 | countrymonkey | pdf manuals now build, but html ones still don't. |
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01:08:56 | petur | heh, join the club ;) |
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01:10:32 | countrymonkey | what club? |
01:11:04 | petur | of people who can't get html manuals to build? |
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01:14:27 | countrymonkey | Hey, petur, why don't you translate for anything else besides duch? Are you too busy? |
01:15:22 | petur | besides that, for the languages I know the translations are well maintained |
01:15:57 | petur | I'm off to bed anyway, after reading http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archive/2007/12/14/review-windows-xp.aspx ;) |
01:16:03 | countrymonkey | Well. If I could get my computer to type it, I would translate to japanese. |
01:17:06 | countrymonkey | Speaking of which, how do I do that? |
01:17:40 | petur | type japanese? |
01:18:32 | countrymonkey | yes. I could translate since I know the language okay. |
01:18:37 | krazykit | countrymonkey, if "that" is typing japanese, that's not a rockbox issue. |
01:19:07 | countrymonkey | How do I get your web client to connect to rockbox-community? |
01:19:43 | petur | it can't |
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01:19:54 | petur | use a webclient from ircatwork |
01:20:29 | countrymonkey | thanks |
01:21:03 | countrymonkey | What is the server for the rockbox-community channel? |
01:21:25 | krazykit | freenode, just like #rockbox. |
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01:21:53 | countrymonkey | so irc.freenode.net #rockbox-community? |
01:22:05 | krazykit | yes. |
01:22:57 | countrymonkey | port? |
01:24:21 | petur | 6667 ? |
01:24:31 | krazykit | leave it blank. |
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01:24:56 | petur | 8000 works too - which is very nice to pass firewalls ;) |
01:26:45 | countrymonkey | thanks |
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02:25:43 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: You there? Mind if I ask about ADX fixings in the MoB stuff? |
02:26:11 | Nico_P | Mouser_X: yes I'm here... ask away :) |
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02:26:42 | Mouser_X | I was listening to some ADXs in the "repeat 1" mode, and the disk had to spinup, causing the beggining of the file to be overwritten. Thus, when it attempted to loop, it caused a codec failure. |
02:27:02 | Mouser_X | Shouldn't the buffer leave the file alone, since you're listening to the same one repeatedly? |
02:27:22 | Mouser_X | (ADXs loop, if you don't remember them... They're still not working either.) |
02:28:18 | Nico_P | does the file loop even if you don't use repeat 1? |
02:28:47 | Nico_P | repeat 1 will cause the buffer to endlessly fill with multiple copies of the same track (not MoB's fault) |
02:29:07 | Mouser_X | It tries to, but fails (if it's near the end of the buffer), because the beggining to file is overwritten., |
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02:29:44 | Nico_P | Mouser_X: is the file biffer than the buffer? does it do the same without repeat1? |
02:29:54 | Nico_P | s/biffer/bigger |
02:30:33 | Mouser_X | There are very few ADXs that are larger than the buffer, but there are a few that are 26 MB. Most of them float around the 5-15 MB range. |
02:31:09 | Mouser_X | If by "the same w/o repeat 1" you mean it fails, then yes, if it's near the end of the buffer. |
02:31:29 | Nico_P | so these shouldn't be allowed to be partial? |
02:31:31 | Mouser_X | When the ADX attempts to loop, it goes back to the begining of the file. |
02:31:41 | Mouser_X | Essentially, yes. |
02:32:11 | Mouser_X | Though, it's not necessarily required, it makes them work much better if the entire file is available for the entire duration of playback. |
02:32:22 | Nico_P | I should look at how the codec handles the looping... there's no reason why it couldn't work |
02:32:56 | Mouser_X | I think HCS sent you some ADXs to look at, didn't he? |
02:33:11 | Mouser_X | (It helped find some problems with the buffering.) |
02:33:13 | Nico_P | yes, I never got round to actually trying them out :/ |
02:33:16 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
02:34:14 | Mouser_X | ADXs, because they're streamed, don't require 100% of the file to begin playing. However, to loop them, you would need the whole file in the buffer. |
02:35:27 | Mouser_X | In other words, partially loading them first and starting playback is fine. It's overwriting parts of the file (to fill the buffer for the next tracks) that causes problems, because they attempt to loop, thus reading from the beginning of the file (which is now gone, to make room for more buffer). |
02:39:47 | Nico_P | but to loop you only need the end and the beginning, right? |
02:42:00 | Mouser_X | The middle would be a good idea as well, but yes. |
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02:43:08 | Nico_P | ok, time to try out one of those ADX tracks |
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02:46:14 | Mouser_X | lostlogic worked on it a little as well, but he finds ADXs to be blight among music formats... |
02:46:33 | Mouser_X | (He finds the looping aspect to be a serious pain.) |
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02:48:54 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: I was listening to some ADXs yesterday, and I noticed that when going through their second loop (thus the audio data has been gone over once already), the buffer will overwrite the data, even as it's being played from. |
02:59:07 | Nico_P | Mouser_X: it seems ok to me, I must be missing something |
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03:00:34 | Mouser_X | Did you only listen to 1 ADX, or all 3 (he send tyou 3 didn't he?)? |
03:01:04 | Mouser_X | The problem only happens if the ADX is near the end of the buffer, because then the buffer will overwrite the file, to fill the buffer. |
03:01:07 | Nico_P | I'm using the first one for the tests, but yeah, he sent me 3 |
03:01:38 | Nico_P | yes but when I fixed FS #8092 a while ago it should have solved that too |
03:01:41 | Mouser_X | The 3 he sent should be large enough that they'll fill the buffer, and cause the last file to fail, due to filling the buffer again. |
03:01:57 | Mouser_X | Yes, that's what I would have thought, but it doesn't seem to have done so. |
03:02:06 | * | Mouser_X will check his version of Rockbox. |
03:03:33 | Mouser_X | What revision was 8092 fixed in? |
03:04:07 | Nico_P | in my test I did the following: with repeat set to one, play the first track. press next once resulting in having a copy that is only partly buffered... seek to the end, which results in dropping the beginning of the file and buffering the end. wait for the loop |
03:04:11 | Nico_P | let me check |
03:04:32 | Nico_P | r15816 |
03:05:22 | Mouser_X | Yah, just saw that. HCS sent me a build, but it seems that it doesn't have that fix in it (it's older than I thought). |
03:05:34 | Nico_P | the commit was made on Mon Nov 26 21:13:08 2007 |
03:06:03 | Nico_P | try downloading the current build |
03:06:20 | Mouser_X | I have a newer version on my Sansa. I guess I didn't notice it, because the Sansa has flash, and thus I wouldn't have noticed it doing a "drive" read. |
03:06:55 | Mouser_X | (Meaning, I didn't notice that it was reading, thus filling the buffer, thus possibly overwriting the file in the buffer). |
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03:07:22 | * | Mouser_X gets the newest build. |
03:07:26 | Mouser_X | :( Sorry about that. |
03:07:58 | Nico_P | no worries :) get back to me when you've tried it |
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03:19:58 | Nico_P | Mouser_X: so? |
03:20:36 | Mouser_X | Backing up my old Rockbox folder. The build I have may be older than I thought, but the reason I was using it is because it has the GBS and MOD patch. |
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03:20:52 | Nico_P | ok |
03:20:57 | Mouser_X | I'm doing this over a USB 1.x connection, on a 450 mhz machine. |
03:21:28 | Mouser_X | :( @ my PC. I need to get a new power supply. Thus, I'm not on my computer. |
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03:41:48 | bobrules | hello for pictureflow I think the scroll wheel should be reversed |
03:42:06 | bobrules | the direction should be opposite |
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03:44:32 | bobrules | also is there a way ro disable zooming when clicking select ? |
03:51:31 | ptw419 | what version of arm-elf-gcc does rockbox use again? |
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03:52:46 | krazykit | gcc version 4.0.3 |
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03:53:31 | ptw419 | thanks |
03:53:39 | webguest08 | Hey there |
03:53:46 | krazykit | ptw419, but just using rockboxdev.sh will take care of everything for you |
03:54:04 | krazykit | including the necessary patches. |
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03:55:26 | dlong | hi there |
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03:55:34 | ptw419 | its that in tools dir? |
03:55:41 | krazykit | ptw419, i believe so |
03:55:43 | dlong | I've checked the FAQ and manual, but I'm not sure how patches work for themes/builds... |
03:55:48 | ptw419 | thanks |
03:57:40 | dlong | anyone? :O |
03:57:44 | Mouser_X | dlong: You haven't actually asked a question yet. |
03:57:56 | Mouser_X | In other words, I don't know what to answer. |
03:58:02 | dlong | oh sorry |
03:58:11 | dlong | I'm trying to install themes |
03:58:19 | dlong | and it tells me I need 3rd-party builds |
03:58:26 | dlong | so I extract those to my iPod |
03:58:33 | dlong | but how do I get these .patch files working? |
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03:58:47 | Mouser_X | Please don't use the ENTER key as a space, or a period. |
03:59:00 | dlong | my apologies :( |
03:59:14 | krazykit | dlong, unsupported builds are, as the name suggests, unsupported. if you want to know how to use patches, read the WorkingWithPatches wiki page |
03:59:34 | Mouser_X | ^ What he said. |
03:59:58 | Mouser_X | (Though, you could also use the builds that the themes tell you to use.) |
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04:00:20 | JamPS | What about a pin-code system to a player? :) |
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04:02:39 | ptw419 | ah this script is nice :) |
04:03:32 | ptw419 | and here i thought i had to do this all manually by banging my head against my keyboard |
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04:19:51 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: (For the logs) Well, sorry about that. I've not yet noticed any problems in ADX playback with the most recent build. Though, ADXs do seem to pause occasionally, when they loop, due to the buffer needing to be refilled (I assume that the buffer filled, overwriting the begining of the ADX. When it looped, the buffer had to do a backwords seek, thus forcing a refill of the buffer again [/assuming]). |
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04:32:19 | joeyo | my ipod video is frozen with a "ROLO...executing" message. Is there a way i can reset it or do I have to wait for the batteries to drain? |
04:32:55 | psycho_maniac | hold menu+select for a few seconds |
04:33:13 | joeyo | thank you |
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04:53:57 | countrymonkey | any developments on the "i cannot build manuals in html" club? |
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04:54:08 | iarora | hey |
04:54:28 | countrymonkey | hey |
04:54:29 | iarora | can i play divx on rockbox? |
04:54:41 | countrymonkey | no |
04:54:43 | psycho_maniac | no |
04:54:50 | iarora | ok |
04:54:59 | psycho_maniac | iarora: look up mpegplayer on the wiki |
04:55:06 | countrymonkey | If you convert them to mpeg than plugin mpegplayer can do it |
04:55:34 | iarora | is convering to mpeg faster than converting to mp4? |
04:55:48 | iarora | cause im in a hurry and need some stuff before i board the flight |
04:56:26 | krazykit | iarora, somewhat faster, i suppose, but it still takes awhile. |
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05:05:13 | donutman25 | there seems to be a problem with ViewVC |
05:05:45 | krazykit | that's known. |
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05:48:37 | SoulinEther | ive been out of the rockbox loop for a bit, anyone know if that one issue with ipod nanos and the cpu ever had a patch committed or anything? if not, i can just make my own build.. |
05:49:33 | Mouser_X | SoulinEther: It might have been. It sounds familiar. |
05:49:42 | SoulinEther | eh, I'm guessing if the bug was closed, and the reason for closing was fixed, then it was committed? |
05:49:52 | SoulinEther | this one |
05:49:52 | SoulinEther | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 |
05:50:09 | Mouser_X | Probably. |
05:50:19 | SoulinEther | how funny, that was 6 days after i decided to just go with an older build |
05:50:26 | SoulinEther | k, thanks |
05:50:56 | scorche | SoulinEther: "Reason for closing: Fixed"... |
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05:51:29 | SoulinEther | lol, just checking scorche, thats all :P |
05:51:44 | scorche | well, do you think that the page is going to lie? |
05:52:11 | SoulinEther | .. got me there. lol. |
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05:52:54 | scorche | then again, it takes less than a minute to update, boot, see if the issue is still present |
05:52:59 | SoulinEther | except |
05:53:04 | SoulinEther | it takes more than that to recover from what it does to my ipod |
05:53:10 | SoulinEther | to the partition |
05:53:16 | SoulinEther | k |
05:53:22 | SoulinEther | i dont want to really argue about this |
05:53:42 | SoulinEther | yeah, so... gj guys, keep up the good work i guess. |
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05:53:48 | scorche | hrm?...that bug never screwed up the partition |
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06:07:06 | saratoga | if so could you let me know what the file name is so I can check if I've already looked into it? |
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08:45:43 | jharu | has anyone fixed the usb driver for rockbox? windows kept asking for one... cuold i use a generic usb driver for that? |
08:46:13 | scorche | the usb driver for rockbox is not broken, so i dont see how it can be fixed |
08:46:19 | scorche | it is not completed |
08:46:26 | Mouser_X | jharu: To do data transfers, you need to reboot into the OF. |
08:47:17 | Mouser_X | But yes, what scorche said is correct. |
08:47:47 | jharu | so its still in the dev stage? |
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09:09:33 | sauron | tasty experience with e200 under linux. thx |
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09:15:43 | jharu | anyone can recomend a custom rockbox build? one that really saves energy but still has decent design |
09:16:06 | scorche | we dont really talk about custom builds here... |
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09:16:07 | jharu | lookin at kugel and cpchans rigt now |
09:29:40 | jharu | does the official build implement pictureflow? looks like my sansa could use it... |
09:30:29 | scorche | yes... |
09:32:04 | jharu | does it crop or autoresize it? and is it included in the current build or is it a patch? |
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09:34:03 | Llorean | Crop, and you were already told "yes" when you asked if the current build has it. |
09:34:51 | jharu | i said official first current second |
09:35:12 | Llorean | The official build IS the current build... |
09:35:19 | Llorean | What did you think the "official" build was? |
09:36:33 | jharu | i was thinking that its a patch (the picture flow) and needs to be included if installing rockbox |
09:37:08 | Llorean | If something is "in the official build" it's not a patch any more. |
09:37:27 | Llorean | If it's a patch, then clearly it's *not* in the build, because you'd have to patch it to add it in... |
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10:42:53 | logy|O_o | hi there |
10:43:37 | logy|O_o | any1 here with Sansa e260 with rockbox installed? |
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10:44:15 | Bagder | why? |
10:44:52 | logy|O_o | I need to decide to install rockbox or not :P |
10:45:16 | Llorean | There's really no reason not to give it a try. It's completely reversible. |
10:45:54 | logy|O_o | sure? |
10:46:11 | Bagder | indeed |
10:46:20 | logy|O_o | wow thx |
10:46:27 | logy|O_o | didnt know that |
10:46:32 | Bagder | just make sure it isn't a e260 v2 |
10:46:44 | logy|O_o | yea |
10:46:47 | logy|O_o | thank ya |
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11:32:39 | phr__ | so i want to install on my c240 but the c240 only speaks mtp, so i have no way to download rockbox from my linux computer, or even to revert to the old sandisk firmware that supported ums |
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11:52:12 | replix | hi |
11:52:31 | replix | is this player http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_109676.html supported by rockbox? |
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11:56:11 | freqmod_nx | might be |
11:56:26 | advcomp2019 | replix, yes if it is a v1 but no it is v2 |
11:56:42 | replix | what's the difference? |
11:56:50 | freqmod_nx | v1=doesn't support audible |
11:56:55 | freqmod_nx | and works with rockbox |
11:57:11 | replix | what's audible? :) |
11:57:13 | freqmod_nx | v2 is completly different inside |
11:57:28 | advcomp2019 | replix, v1 and v2 has different hardware |
11:57:42 | replix | ok, how to tell it's a v1? |
11:58:18 | freqmod_nx | at least if the specifications mentions audible then it is not |
11:58:45 | advcomp2019 | there is no way to tell till you get it |
11:59:20 | replix | and the v2s are totally unsupported? |
11:59:26 | replix | forever? |
11:59:37 | freqmod_nx | they are working on v2 |
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12:00:04 | freqmod_nx | if it thakes as long as v1 took then it will probably be supported next fall. |
12:00:36 | freqmod_nx | but they won't make any estimates (that estimate is purly statistical) |
12:00:44 | replix | what would be a good choice for an mp3-player? |
12:00:58 | replix | i need one with rockbox |
12:01:09 | replix | for the lulz i need |
12:01:31 | * | freqmod_nx thinks sansa e2xx v1 works well |
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12:04:43 | freqmod_nx | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
12:04:47 | freqmod_nx | is a good place to start |
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12:07:32 | replix | The Sansa c200 series seems to have a new "v2" model available. |
12:07:38 | replix | the e200 do not? |
12:08:40 | freqmod_nx | AFAIK e200 has that too |
12:09:49 | freqmod_nx | the v2's e200 should have a v2 on the back of the actual unit, and a firmware version that starts with 3., but that is not possible to see before you have the product |
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12:22:36 | replix | i could send it back without opening it |
12:22:47 | replix | when there is written audible on the case |
12:30:32 | replix | the availability is bad |
12:30:42 | replix | >30days |
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12:35:40 | phr__ | replix, they all suck. there's only one non-ancient player whose hardware was designed with half an ounce of brains, but it doesn't run rockbox :(( |
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12:36:19 | replix | cowon? |
12:36:45 | replix | cowon iAudio D2? |
12:36:53 | phr__ | but the e200 and c200 have some attractive points, and there's some chance of an m200 port it looks like |
12:37:03 | phr__ | replix, the player that doesn't suck? frontier lab nex 3 |
12:37:06 | Llorean | I'd say the Zune's got pretty decent hardware, if it were ever hacked. |
12:37:13 | phr__ | zune sucks :) |
12:37:41 | replix | openmoko? ;) |
12:37:48 | phr__ | that's a telephone iirc |
12:37:52 | phr__ | anyway it sucks too |
12:37:58 | Llorean | On what basis? It's got an incredible processor, and an FM tuner. |
12:38:21 | phr__ | proprietary batteries |
12:38:34 | Llorean | So what? |
12:38:51 | Llorean | 95% of players have proprietary batteries because nobody makes a standard, high capacity batter in a form factor suitable for DAPs |
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12:39:35 | Llorean | Most DAPs that use a AAA or AA are usually nearly 1/3 again the size they could be with a custom battery. |
12:39:46 | phr__ | 95% of players run proprietary software but the 5% of us who run rockbox think we're doing the right thing |
12:40:07 | phr__ | llorean, so? the m200 is small enough for most purposes |
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12:40:24 | phr__ | the m200 is smaller than the 200 but maybe a teensy bit larger than the c200 |
12:40:29 | phr__ | smaller than e200 |
12:40:38 | Llorean | Yes, it's also a good deal less functional than the c200 |
12:40:49 | phr__ | it's an audio player. if i want to watch video i'll buy a tv set. |
12:41:39 | Llorean | So what you're saying is that your limited requirements define "smart hardware design", and the things you're willing to overlook should be overlooked by everyone? |
12:41:56 | Llorean | Because that's what I'm hearing with your "only one player in current production has intelligent hardware design" statement, and your arguments here. |
12:42:28 | phr__ | what can i say, you're entitled to think whatever you want |
12:43:29 | Llorean | Yeah, and you're entitled to too, but don't make sweeping statements as if they were facts. |
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12:44:06 | Llorean | Not everyone wants to be forced to pay continually for new AAAs or deal with the memory effect in rechargeable NiCDs |
12:44:42 | Llorean | A user replaceable LiIon battery that allows the manufacturer to also fit in an expansion slot AND make the player smaller sounds plenty good design to me. |
12:45:11 | desowin | there was some rumour about betteries that could last for years ;-) |
12:45:16 | phr__ | memory effect is a myth, self-discharge is solved by newer nimh cells and doesn't affect people who use their player much, and li ion doesn't make the player smaller |
12:45:23 | phr__ | it just gives more control over the hsape |
12:45:24 | phr__ | shape |
12:45:28 | Llorean | phr__: Memory effect is not a myth |
12:45:32 | Llorean | It's pretty darn easy to test. |
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12:46:36 | Llorean | And it does make the player smaller, because less volume has to be wasted. I hate to tell you, but the round nature of AAA batteries means there's a good deal of volume wasted to fit them in. |
12:46:36 | desowin | http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-betavoltaic-10.1.html - just wait for those adjusted for portable players ;-) |
12:47:39 | phr__ | i just measured the c240 battery, 4.4 x 24.2 x 56 mm = 5958 mm**3. its claimed energy capacity is 530 mah 3.7v which is 1.96 WH. |
12:47:50 | phr__ | so, 3000 mm**3 per WH |
12:48:29 | Llorean | phr__: I can see you're on your way to a nicely unfair comparison |
12:48:34 | phr__ | what's unfair? |
12:48:54 | Llorean | Do you know that's the maximum capacity of a li-ion of that size, or is it the capacity Sandisk chose for price? |
12:49:27 | phr__ | it's about normal for that size, it's comparable to what you find in small cell phones |
12:50:10 | phr__ | anyway sandisk sells replacement li ion packs for something like 20 bucks, vs about 2 bucks for a nimh aaa cell, so they are in no position to whinge about cost cutting :) |
12:50:33 | phr__ | anyway they are beating aaa nimh somewhat for energy density |
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12:51:21 | phr__ | but mainly, how many users really care if a c200 is a few mm thicker? they obviously sell a lot of e200's which are bigger |
12:51:31 | phr__ | and sansa views which are bigger than the e200 |
12:51:43 | Llorean | Anyway, my whole point is "don't make sweeping generalizations about hardware design based on your own preconceptions." What you need isn't what everyone needs, so if you're going to say all hardware but one sucks, say "I've found that all hardware doesn't meed my needs except this one" instead. |
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12:52:59 | phr__ | well, what can i say, a heck of a lot of users are happy running windows and proprietary firmware, but i like to think that rockbox users who obviously have much more sense about wanting nonproprietary firmware ought to have the same attitude about hardaware. if you want to think something different, that's your prerogative. |
12:53:10 | Llorean | It's pretty clear, as well, that you're basing it on factors entirely unrelated to Rockbox anyway |
12:53:44 | phr__ | that is true, if there was a 1gb player that weighed 3 pounds and emitted horrible smells, i'd say it sucked for reasons unrelated to rockbox, even if it ran on aa cells |
12:53:56 | Llorean | Yes, but this is #Rockbox |
12:54:02 | Llorean | Which means ONLY rockbox related stuff is on topic |
12:54:07 | Galois | there is a valid point hiding in all this nonsense −− if proprietary hardware wins, then rockbox has no future |
12:54:15 | phr__ | yeah but if someone asked about a player that weighed 3 pounds and smelled bad, i'd tell them it sucked |
12:54:17 | Llorean | I got into the conversation because I thought the hardware judgements were relative to Rockbox suitability |
12:54:18 | phr__ | and i think most of them would |
12:54:28 | Galois | what if every manufacturer started doing what apple is doing? |
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12:54:52 | phr__ | anyway it's not just the battery, it's also the usb cable |
12:54:56 | Llorean | Galois: Then we'd be forced to bypass it, instead of saying "Well we don't care, plenty of other fish in the seas." |
12:55:08 | phr__ | the m200 uses a standard mini-b connector instead of that awful proprietary thing |
12:55:21 | Galois | maybe, but nothing so far suggests that we can bypass it |
12:55:23 | phr__ | also, the m200 supports UMS out of the box |
12:55:29 | Llorean | phr__: Meanwhile that dock port gives me a proper line out, line in for higher quality recording, and serial interface. |
12:55:41 | Llorean | And the c200 supports UMS just fine. |
12:55:55 | Llorean | Galois: If they can run code, we can too. It's all a question of "how hard" not "if" |
12:55:56 | phr__ | llorean they removed UMS probably for some DRM reason |
12:56:02 | Llorean | Not on the c200v1s |
12:56:12 | Llorean | And reports indicate, not on the v2s either |
12:56:14 | phr__ | yes really, i have three c240 v1's that have no UMS |
12:56:18 | Llorean | Yes, they do |
12:56:21 | Llorean | I have the latest firmware. |
12:56:31 | Llorean | It's still there. You perhaps just don't know how to access it in windows. |
12:56:37 | phr__ | i don't use windows |
12:56:42 | phr__ | i don't like proprietary software |
12:57:20 | Llorean | Well, I assure you, UMS is still there. They hid it away a little bit, and the device tries to determine if the host supports MTP, and if so, tries to connect like that, as far as I can tell |
12:57:28 | Galois | I wish I shared your optimism. But unlike you I don't see any inherent reason why tamperproof hardware isn't possible. |
12:57:28 | phr__ | there is something in the rockbox wiki saying i have to revert the current firmware to an older version before i can use ums to install rockbox |
12:57:36 | Llorean | You can force the decision by, when already in the OF, turning on hold, holding down the |<< button, and inserting the USB cable |
12:57:43 | phr__ | if that is wrong, then great, |
12:57:49 | phr__ | hmm ok let me try that] |
12:57:50 | phr__ | sec |
12:58:07 | Llorean | The wiki is edited by all kinds of people. Sadly many of them do like you, and state opinions as fact. |
12:58:17 | Llorean | Galois: If they can run code on it, that means there's a way to sign that code to be run, right? |
12:58:28 | Galois | yes, and that signing might be done with public key crypto |
12:58:36 | Llorean | Galois: The ONLY sort of tamperproof hardware would be Read-Only firmware, permanently non-upgradeable. |
12:58:39 | Galois | and public key crypto is very very hard to break head-on |
12:58:43 | Llorean | Yes. |
12:58:50 | Llorean | But that still means it's a "how hard" rather than an "if" |
12:59:05 | Llorean | I didn't say it would be feasible any time soon, merely that if they can do it, it's POSSIBLE |
12:59:10 | Galois | I'll go out on a limb and say that if the NSA can't break PKC head-on then we can't either |
12:59:16 | Galois | you have to find some side-angle, like with the xbox linux hacking |
12:59:26 | Galois | and those side angles are accidents, buffer overflows, etc |
12:59:31 | Llorean | That doesn't make it IMPOSSIBLE though |
12:59:40 | Llorean | You're interpreting what I'm saying as something other than what it means. |
12:59:47 | phr__ | what's the OF? |
12:59:52 | Llorean | phr__: Original Firmware. |
12:59:53 | Galois | I think it's practically impossible to break RSA 2048 head on |
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13:00:05 | Llorean | Galois: Please, read what I'm saying. |
13:00:17 | Llorean | Practically Impossible just means "It can't be done in a practical manner" not "It can't be done" |
13:00:29 | Llorean | I also never said anything about cracking it head on. |
13:00:30 | phr__ | do i power up the c240 first? |
13:00:47 | Galois | I draw no distinction between "it can't be done practically" and "it can't be done" |
13:00:50 | Llorean | phr__: I do believe I said that you need to be in the original firmware. Since you're in neither when it's off, that follows.' |
13:00:54 | Galois | I mean, what are you proposing, to do it impractically? |
13:00:55 | Llorean | Galois: Then that's YOUR problem. |
13:00:58 | desowin | the RSA itself is hard to break...but protocols and such are rather 'breakable' |
13:01:05 | Llorean | I'm proposing that it's _POSSIBLE_ |
13:01:12 | Llorean | That's ALL I'm proposing. |
13:01:17 | Galois | I think your possibility is true but irrelevant |
13:01:18 | phr__ | well i remember there's some unbrick sequence that involves holding down a button while powering up the unit |
13:01:33 | phr__ | the nsa is recommending elliptic curve public key systems and requiring them for govt use |
13:01:35 | Galois | desowin: yes, that's the side angle attack I described. I see no reason why such an attack would always be possible. |
13:01:37 | Llorean | Galois: Well, ALL I ever said was it's possible. If you thought that was true, there was no sense arguing |
13:01:54 | Galois | I think it's technically true but not a helpful truth for rockbox |
13:01:58 | Llorean | Galois: As it stands, new attacks are invented frequently, and new hardware. One day encryption that seems "strong" now will be nothing, and all kinds of new encryptions will be in use. |
13:02:12 | phr__ | ok here goes |
13:02:28 | Galois | llorean, that's again getting into the realm of predicting the future. I do not share your optimism. This is a matter of opinion, not fact. |
13:02:35 | Llorean | Galois: Yes. |
13:02:49 | Llorean | Galois: But you stated it as "fact" that it might become impossible |
13:02:57 | Galois | when? |
13:03:13 | Galois | okay, you're right. I stated as fact that it might become impossible. But might is a very weak word. |
13:03:17 | desowin | Galois: I think it always would be possible...for exmaple look at modchips used in "non-ever-breakable" consoles like wii, xbox360 and others |
13:03:28 | Llorean | Galois: I said that it will always be possible as long as firmware is upgradeable, and you disagreed. It's a binary situation, meaning that your position MUST be that it wouldn't bep ossible |
13:03:57 | Galois | argh, it's not worth arguing |
13:04:00 | Llorean | Galois: It's physically impossible for it to become impossible so long as firmware is upgradeable. There's no unbreakable encryption, just impractical to break encryption. |
13:04:18 | Galois | quantum cryptography is unbreakable unless quantum mechanics is wrong. |
13:04:24 | Llorean | My point is: Say exactly what you mean, don't generalize by saying something is "impossible" when you mean "not practical", as they're different things |
13:04:40 | Llorean | No, quantum cryptography cannot be broken or tampered with without leaving evidence. |
13:04:47 | Llorean | If it were unbreakable, the receiving end couldn't decrypt it. |
13:06:12 | Llorean | phr__: Any luck? |
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13:07:35 | phr | re |
13:07:58 | phr | i tried that thing of plugging in the usb cable with the >> button pressed and it crashed my box again i.e. probably running MTP |
13:08:08 | Llorean | I said |<< |
13:08:09 | phr | it also got the player itself in a wedged state where i couldn't turn it off except by popping the battery |
13:08:11 | Llorean | And hold must be on |
13:08:17 | phr | aha, whoops |
13:08:33 | Llorean | Also, hold the power long enough and they'll always shut off |
13:08:39 | Llorean | no need to pop a battery, it's a hardware feature. |
13:08:56 | phr | ok here goes again. i held power for 10-15 sec but maybe that wasn't long enough |
13:09:29 | Llorean | As far as I know, the time is "15 seconds" but some people have said it's taken them as much as 30, oddly enough |
13:09:54 | phr | woo hoo! that worked, thanks! |
13:10:00 | phr | i wonder which firmware this c240 is running |
13:10:18 | Llorean | I assume there's something about your computer that makes it want to try MTP. |
13:10:28 | Llorean | I know on my Ubuntu box, it *usually* mounts fine without the trick |
13:10:34 | phr | wtf? i think this is a v2 c240 |
13:10:34 | Llorean | Though occasionally mounts read only. |
13:10:43 | Llorean | v3.something firmware? |
13:10:46 | phr | yeah |
13:10:51 | Llorean | Yeah, it's a v2 then. |
13:11:03 | phr | the other one that i tried is a v1 |
13:11:10 | phr | this says: |
13:11:15 | phr | Version Info: Product Rev.: PP5022BF-06.10-S301-06.10-S301.01.05PRT |
13:11:16 | phr | Base Code: 06.10-S301-06.10-S301.01.05PRT |
13:11:16 | phr | ODM Ver.: S301-06.10-S301.01.05PRT |
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13:11:16 | phr | OEM Ver.: S301.01.05PRT |
13:11:16 | phr | Build Type: RT |
13:11:17 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
13:11:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK phr__ |
13:11:17 | phr | Build Date: 2007.04.16 |
13:11:19 | phr | Build Number: (Build 13.26) |
13:11:21 | Galois | I still don't think it's always guaranteed to be possible for the rockbox project to run code just because someone else can run code. Rockbox as a project is resource-constrained. RSA-2048 or some other sufficiently strong cryptosystem is (conjecturally) impossible to break without a certain level of computational resources. |
13:11:26 | Llorean | Please don't paste into the channel |
13:11:31 | phr | sorry |
13:12:05 | Llorean | Galois: It's not guaranteed to be possible for Rockbox to do it. But "Rockbox won't have the resources to do it" doesn't mean "It's impossible" it just means "It's possible, but outside our means" |
13:12:15 | phr | maybe 01.05 is the version # |
13:12:16 | Galois | it's infeasible |
13:12:25 | Llorean | That's a different word than "impossible" though |
13:12:30 | Galois | you're right |
13:12:45 | Galois | however, the larger point still holds: infeasibility will kill the future of rockbox, just as surely as impossibility will |
13:13:26 | phr | aha, 01.01.05P just like the other one |
13:13:31 | phr | so the wiki is wrong |
13:13:51 | Llorean | Galois: I think though that it's unlikely to ever get that far. |
13:14:01 | phr | it already has with the ipod, it looks like |
13:14:14 | Galois | Llorean, I hope very strongly that you're right about that |
13:14:26 | Llorean | phr: I don't think anyone suitably determined has investigated the iPod. |
13:14:49 | Llorean | There's really only two projects with an interest in running unsigned code on it, and Rockbox hasn't bothered, and I don't think iPL has either. |
13:14:52 | phr | anyway it's near miraculous that rockbox works as well as it does |
13:15:01 | phr | on the players that it runs on |
13:15:33 | Slasheri | Galois: we can build our own hardware if that should ever happen |
13:16:10 | phr | there's someone on the rockbox forum supposedly building hardware |
13:16:17 | Llorean | Or just concentrate on interesting older hardware that we haven't gotten to yet, because it wasn't interesting enough at the time. Or concentrate on Rockbox as an app. Or so on. |
13:16:19 | phr | so it will be great if that actually gets somewhere and builds something decent |
13:17:08 | phr | but i didn't get an impression of it being all that serious |
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13:17:15 | Galois | maybe in europe you can build your own hardware, but in the US they have lovely laws that for example require things like the broadcast flag |
13:17:16 | phr | and neuros audio seems to have given up on audio |
13:17:40 | Galois | so you can't even (legally) build hardware unless it enforces the prevailing DRM |
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13:18:51 | Galois | well, anyway, there's no point in going on. I have no solution to propose. |
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13:20:02 | victoryemulator | can anyone tell me if the 6G ipod classic is ever going to be supported coz ppl at iPod linux do not really seem enthusiastic about it. more over wikipedia says that the encrypted firmware of 6G may be a problem! |
13:20:48 | phr | hah, the battery of this c240 is at 2 bars already! it's been running about 5 minutes since i charged it |
13:20:52 | Galois | victoryemulator: we can't predict the future. However so far no one is working on it. |
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13:21:23 | phr | 6g = classic, i.e. the new 160gb unit? yeah i also heard they used encryption |
13:21:29 | Galois | My personal opinion (not fact) is that it will never be supported. |
13:21:59 | victoryemulator | assuming that someone starts to port it, i wud be glad to test;) |
13:22:19 | phr | does anyone really want a 160gb audio player or are they mostly using those things for video? |
13:22:19 | Llorean | Well, nobody's really interested in working on it. |
13:22:34 | Llorean | So it's unlikely to get supported unless something changes the fundamental situation, such as somebody new showing up to work on it |
13:22:47 | victoryemulator | LOL! the touche effect... |
13:22:49 | Llorean | phr: I know people who find 160gb of *mp3s* not enough |
13:22:56 | phr | yeah true :) |
13:23:03 | Llorean | I could use 160gb, but only if I kept my audio as lossless |
13:23:05 | victoryemulator | I do not find it enough |
13:23:15 | victoryemulator | even with mp3s |
13:23:35 | Llorean | I mean, assuming iTunes price/mb, 160gb is something like $40,000 worth of music |
13:23:59 | phr | i think i have about 10gb of mp3's most of which i don't listen to much, so i feel slightly cramped with my 4gb m200, but figure with something like 32gb i'd be set for quite a while |
13:24:00 | victoryemulator | OK assuming that someone does, would it be including Xvid support? |
13:24:05 | Galois | victoryemulator: I sense that the general feeling is that Apple clearly doesn't want to play by the rules of the open source community, so our community is not interested in Apple anymore. |
13:24:10 | Llorean | victoryemulator: Rockbox doesn't have XVid support |
13:24:21 | Galois | For this reason, nobody is interested in working on the new ipods. |
13:24:41 | victoryemulator | Oh :( |
13:24:56 | Llorean | Galois: It's not a "by the rules" issue |
13:25:06 | Llorean | We've had firmware signing and other things to bypass before. |
13:25:15 | Llorean | It's just not interesting enough to be worth the time and effort for most people. |
13:25:19 | Llorean | They're just iPods. |
13:25:36 | victoryemulator | well ipod users are also humans |
13:25:49 | victoryemulator | they desrve the openness |
13:25:54 | phr | the ipod classic is certainly about the smallest 160gb unit |
13:26:02 | Llorean | victoryemulator: Then they're more than welcome to work on it. |
13:26:03 | Domonoky | its more, just a new port (the new ipods have completly new hardware), so its the same as for every other unsuported player |
13:26:25 | victoryemulator | Hmm it would have to start from scratch then |
13:26:28 | Llorean | The previous iPods really only got ports because of how much work was already done on iPod Linux, I think. |
13:26:43 | victoryemulator | kernel and all? |
13:27:05 | Llorean | Huh? |
13:27:20 | Domonoky | victoryemulator: only hardware near code would have to be rewritten. the problem is encryption and no docs.. |
13:27:57 | victoryemulator | well encryption yes that is going to be tricky |
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13:28:23 | * | Domonoky thinks the "no docs aviable" is a bigger problem.. |
13:28:43 | Llorean | Yeah |
13:28:47 | Domonoky | we already run on hardware, where the original firmware was encrypted.. |
13:28:55 | Llorean | Encryption is something you either bypass or you don't. |
13:29:05 | Llorean | Undocumented hardware apparently drags at you for years. :) |
13:29:21 | Domonoky | jup |
13:29:36 | victoryemulator | bah only if ppl heard to stallman:( |
13:29:36 | Domonoky | so we need a spy at apple *hehe* |
13:29:56 | victoryemulator | or at its units in china |
13:30:19 | Llorean | Domonoky: Send a letter to Steve Jobs, maybe he doesn't know about us. :-P |
13:30:56 | Domonoky | *hehe* i dont think Jobs would care.. |
13:31:10 | victoryemulator | All he is gonna do is drink another gulp from his bottle nad continue with his Key note prep:( |
13:32:07 | Domonoky | Llorean: how was your talk with real ? at least the now us :-) |
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13:33:14 | Llorean | Domonoky: In summary "We can't do anything about AAC because of the patents issue, so we can't GPL that code, some sort of exception was made in terms of the OLPC (not sure what it is though), oh, and it'd be nifty if you could play Rhapsody, you should talk with some of our guys" |
13:33:41 | phr | real audio? i thought that itself was some secret format |
13:33:47 | Domonoky | ah, damn patents... |
13:33:54 | Llorean | Real Audio has several formats |
13:34:04 | Llorean | For example, Cook, which is secret, is one type, while AAC which is less so, is aniother |
13:34:08 | victoryemulator | rhapsody aint real audio AFAIK |
13:34:09 | Llorean | But they're both .ra files. |
13:34:10 | Domonoky | but Rhapsody in rockbox... is the code for this gpl ? |
13:34:18 | victoryemulator | Its WMA woth DRM |
13:34:22 | phr | ther'es an open container format but i thought the interesting codecs were secret |
13:34:35 | Llorean | Domonoky: It was something he brought up. He said that implementing Rhapsody is just an API. No clue though. |
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13:34:54 | phr | rhapsody = drm, i thought |
13:35:04 | Llorean | It is DRM |
13:35:07 | phr | yeah |
13:35:09 | Llorean | But DRM isn't by simple definition bad. |
13:35:26 | phr | well drm and free software don't mix |
13:35:31 | Llorean | It allows some interesting new types of service, such as what can only be described as "music rental." The "All you can listen to for 19.99/month" |
13:36:02 | victoryemulator | I am from India and we do not really use the online music stores so as of now DRM is not much of an issue here but the fact is that we are pretty against DRM coz it just does not with concept of freedom |
13:36:03 | Llorean | Yeah, DRM and free software are in essence impossible to mix. If you can play a file, you can decode it to disk. |
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13:36:31 | jharu | is the battery bug fixed in the portalplayer devices (not showing right charge) |
13:36:34 | Galois | and indeed it's quite easy to save rhapsody streams to disk in linux |
13:36:37 | Llorean | jharu: Not really, no. |
13:36:55 | phr | and i thought the wma formats were secret |
13:37:07 | phr | or some of them |
13:37:08 | Llorean | phr: We support WMA audio in Rockbox. |
13:37:10 | victoryemulator | <nods> |
13:37:11 | phr | oh cool |
13:37:20 | Llorean | They're secret, more or less, but some have open source codecs. |
13:37:23 | phr | hehe |
13:37:23 | Llorean | I think the newest WMA doesn't yet |
13:37:41 | victoryemulator | and some have DRM LOL what an irony |
13:38:11 | jharu | at what average lifespan before charging? just using sound |
13:38:29 | Llorean | jharu: Depends a very lot on usage habits, format, and other things. |
13:38:36 | Llorean | Also, theres' a wide range of PortalPlayer devices. |
13:38:37 | desowin | but didn't the iTunes store stopped using DRM? |
13:38:43 | Llorean | desowin: Yes and No. |
13:38:51 | Llorean | Some songs are offered as DRM-free "iTunes Plus" |
13:39:00 | Llorean | With a "you might pirate this" tax of an additional 30 cents or so. |
13:39:04 | Llorean | They are higher quality though. |
13:39:18 | jharu | sansa... just playing it. no fiddling with other things. |
13:39:18 | Llorean | Or at least, higher bitrate. No guarantee they didn't just transcode up ;) |
13:39:22 | victoryemulator | i thot jobs made them cheapaer |
13:39:28 | Llorean | Oh, maybe he did. |
13:39:35 | Llorean | jharu: e200 or c200? |
13:39:43 | jharu | e200 |
13:40:04 | phr | there was some issue with the c200 rockbox port using more power than the sandisk firmware iirc |
13:40:18 | Llorean | jharu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements |
13:40:28 | Llorean | phr: This is true of all PP502x targets. |
13:41:02 | phr | sigh, oh well |
13:41:36 | Llorean | phr: I tested a full movie and still had 77% remaining, so it's not awful or anything. |
13:41:43 | jharu | sorry for that i read forums but its quite a few months old topic and i dont know if any update is made... |
13:41:50 | phr | yeah i figure i can live with it and it'll eventually improve |
13:43:12 | victoryemulator | Ok thanks uys |
13:43:16 | victoryemulator | guys |
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13:45:44 | jharu | ok... does that mean there is no battery display on rockbox unless you patch it? |
13:45:57 | Llorean | Rockbox displays the battery level as a percentage. |
13:46:09 | Llorean | And usually that's pretty decent. You just can't trust the "approximate time remaining" display |
13:46:33 | phr | percentage figured from voltage measurement? |
13:46:43 | Llorean | Yes |
13:46:54 | Llorean | Usually calibrated with a discharge curve |
13:47:37 | phr | right |
13:47:44 | jharu | and even though fully charged time usage still will be less than of |
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13:56:17 | phr | the ipod mini is an interesting player b/c it uses a CF card inside |
13:56:28 | phr | and there's 32gb cards now |
13:57:25 | markun | but it's portalplayer based :( |
13:58:09 | phr | right, so are these sansas |
13:58:31 | phr | is this a matter of some power control feature that hasn't been figured out? |
13:59:06 | markun | I believe it's mainly the ata poweroff, so for flash it proabably doesn't matter so much |
13:59:21 | phr | hmm |
13:59:33 | pixelma | the mini originally has a minidrive but a CF mod is possible, just for accuracy;) |
13:59:42 | replix | is it hard to get v1 sansas in switzerland? |
13:59:54 | phr | ata poweroff is a standardized command i thought |
13:59:59 | pixelma | eh... microdrive |
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14:00:04 | phr | replix it's hard to get v1 sansas anywhere |
14:00:17 | phr | pixelma yeah a hd in a cf form factor, you can swap it out for a cf flash card |
14:00:36 | replix | and where to get a good player for rockbox? |
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14:01:02 | phr | we were just having that conversation, i thought. and obviously such a question is a request for opinions ;) |
14:01:48 | krazykit | check the BuyersGuide in the wiki |
14:01:49 | replix | yes, there are no good players? |
14:02:05 | krazykit | a "good player" depends on what features you wan |
14:02:05 | krazykit | t |
14:02:43 | phr | if you don't mind the issues i talked about, the c240 is pretty nice. it's tiny and it has an expansion slot and woot sold them cheap |
14:03:38 | phr | i think i wouldn't touch a hard drive player unless i absolutely had to have 60+ gb |
14:06:39 | phr | is there any place to get replacement batteries for the cowon x5l? |
14:06:51 | phr | oh 30gb max |
14:07:03 | krazykit | ebay is probably the only viable place |
14:07:46 | phr | hmm that's better than nothing i guess. i sort of looked around once and it seemed like they were near unobtainable |
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14:18:59 | jharu | is true that official build has no themes incuded at first install? just that black and something stuff? |
14:20:45 | desowin | svn.rockbox.org seems to have something wrong "ImportError: libkeyutils.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
14:20:57 | Genre9mp3 | jharu: there are some themes included in the builds |
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14:22:13 | jharu | in the original not the custom ones? |
14:22:43 | Genre9mp3 | jharu: yes, official builds that is |
14:22:58 | desowin | offical builds doesn't have eyecandy themes if that's what you ask for |
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14:23:50 | jharu | rephrase... what theme does the official build have? is there a link where i can see it? |
14:24:21 | Llorean | It doesn't start with any theme. Just basic text |
14:24:31 | Llorean | But it comes with a couple themes usually, depending on target |
14:24:39 | Llorean | And it's quite easy to add other themes, or create your own |
14:25:07 | Llorean | At this point, why not just try Rockbox? You've been asking questions for a day or two now, and the process is reversible. You could learn everything you want to know by just doing it. :) |
14:26:01 | Genre9mp3 | jharu: indeed.. you miss all the fun! |
14:26:42 | replix | does rockbox support antialiasing on text? |
14:26:44 | jharu | im still waiting for my custom built aluminum hardcase. its easy to crack the sansa lcd and im afraid of crushing a SR425 investment. |
14:27:32 | Llorean | replix: No. |
14:27:45 | faemir | replix: no but it doesn't look bad without it |
14:27:52 | replix | ok |
14:27:54 | Llorean | jharu: I don't see what risk of cracking the LCD has to do with simply installing Rockbox? |
14:29:10 | phr | sr? and what model of sansa is that breakable and expensive? the c200 screen seems pretty well protected |
14:29:48 | jharu | hard to explain... anybody having a hyperactive niece rampaging in the house and tearing anything not glued on the groung? |
14:29:58 | Llorean | jharu: Again though |
14:30:10 | Llorean | If you have the c200 in the house already, what additional risk does installing Rockbox add? |
14:30:28 | jharu | its an e not a c... |
14:30:31 | phr | are you talking about a c200? the screen is behind a plastic window, you can't realy bang it |
14:30:36 | phr | hmm |
14:30:44 | Llorean | jharu: Either player though. |
14:30:44 | phr | dunno about the e, maybe that bigger screen is more exposed |
14:30:52 | phr | the c240 really seems pretty rugged |
14:32:31 | jharu | ah well, riskin is the way to go... ill try later with the official and the much "hyped" kugel build... |
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14:32:59 | phr | by the way one of my buddies is trying to give away a 64 channel logic analyzer−−would that be of any use to rockbox? |
14:38:08 | jharu | phr: sr= saudi riyal. i work in the middle east. i know a little programming but on windows. and one thing there is no available replacement here if ever i brick the sansa so i have to be certain of what i put in my unit. its my second coming from an astone one... |
14:38:37 | jharu | and dont recommend amazon... |
14:38:39 | phr | ppl here have said the sansas are very hard to brick |
14:38:59 | jharu | but is buggy with of |
14:39:46 | jharu | thats why have to be certain of the "alt fw" for it |
14:40:04 | phr | the installation is reversable |
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14:40:56 | jharu | reversible dont mean recoverable though. ;] |
14:41:18 | phr | eh? i thought it's sort of a dual boot installation i haven't done it yet though |
14:41:31 | phr | i'm getting sleepy and prob won't do it tonite, but tomorrow maybe |
14:42:17 | jharu | but i admit its better lookin than the of. could still be better though within few months i hope :D |
14:42:59 | phr | i think if i were going to casemod this thing i'd try to wire it up with different battery and a full sized sd card instead of micro sd |
14:43:35 | jharu | more like motherboard overhaul to me |
14:44:03 | jharu | since that is a bigger card (2.5x) |
14:44:07 | phr | nah just a little external connector rewiring |
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14:45:38 | jharu | cant imagine it sorry... mine is custom built aluminum casing provided by my uncle. he is an engeneer and is wicked with this stuff |
14:46:18 | jharu | still in design phase though so it will fit comfy with my unit |
14:49:35 | phr | looks like the c240 is heat staked, if i take it apart it will probably not go back together |
14:50:24 | jharu | wy would you do that? |
14:50:40 | phr | to do that rewiring i described |
14:50:45 | Llorean | phr: I've taken my c200 apart to resolder the headphone connector |
14:50:51 | Llorean | As far as I know, there's nothing irreversible. |
14:50:59 | phr | oh that's good to know |
14:51:09 | phr | you just popped it off those heat stakes/ |
14:51:11 | phr | ? |
14:51:13 | Llorean | I got a refurbished one, and the jack was loose. |
14:51:16 | Llorean | What heat stakes? |
14:51:26 | phr | it looks like there are some under the battery |
14:51:40 | Llorean | Oh, those don't attach to anything important |
14:51:44 | phr | yeah, mine are also refurb from that woot a couple weeks ago |
14:51:50 | phr | oh cool |
14:51:54 | Llorean | You shouldn't need to do anything about them. |
14:51:57 | jharu | he (phr) is trying to mod it not repair it... |
14:52:15 | Llorean | the PCB comes completely free without dealing with them. |
14:52:57 | Llorean | I think they just keep that little aluminum shield on the plastic |
14:53:08 | phr | np |
14:55:09 | Nico_P | Mouser_X: any news on ADX? |
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14:59:39 | phr | do you think if i were to power it from 1 aa cell and a dc-dc converter, that ripple in the input power would find its way to the audio output? |
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15:00:04 | phr | i guess the m200 sounds ok as far as that goes |
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15:47:08 | stripwax | Would anyone have any preferences on a default image for the color lcd bitmap sliding puzzle plugin? Since the original was a small fish puzzle, how about we use a Creative Commons/public domain picture of fish also? |
15:47:50 | Llorean | As long as it's distinct enough that there's no significant confusion when it's chopped up into bits as to which one is which. |
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15:53:33 | stripwax | I was thinking just one fish |
15:54:11 | stripwax | but, y'know, I really just meant, thematically is a fish pic a sensible default at all. |
15:54:23 | stripwax | Not that I have anything against fish |
15:58:45 | Llorean | I dunno. A fish would work I suppose. Unless someone has a better idea |
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16:00:50 | stripwax | ok. I'm just updating this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218?histring=sliding_puzzle - the default puzzle is just a bunch of jumbled rockbox logos |
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16:12:11 | stripwax | Updated patch (not changed default yet - so no fish) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218 |
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16:38:03 | Merthsoft | So, after updating last night, AVG seems to be finding "BackDoor.RBot" in all the .map files in the plugin folder, whats up with that? |
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16:39:33 | Merthsoft | oh, also the codec files |
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16:41:58 | Llorean | Considering .map files are text documents, viewable in notepad, I think AVG has some issues |
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16:43:38 | kugel | my anti virus prog used to detect my own built simulator exe |
16:43:45 | stripwax | Merthsoft - the codec files are not executable on windows so I'd be surprised if they could contain a windows trojan. Did AVG find any other virii on your machines? |
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16:51:09 | Nico_P | stripwax: is there anything left preventing your sliding puzzle patch from being committed? |
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16:57:28 | bobrules | for coverflow, is it possible to reverse the scrollwheel direction? it doesn't match rockbox |
16:57:50 | kugel | what player? |
16:58:35 | bobrules | sansa e200 |
16:58:50 | bobrules | when you scroll clockwise it should go right |
16:58:53 | kugel | yea |
16:59:00 | Llorean | bobrules: Do the covers move left, or move right, then? |
16:59:08 | * | Llorean hasn't tried coverflow. |
16:59:11 | kugel | but, appearently, the e200 is the only target having the wrong direction |
16:59:12 | bobrules | move left |
16:59:19 | Llorean | If they move left, then you're *going* right. |
16:59:21 | kugel | I asked jott about this |
16:59:34 | stripwax | Nico_P - nothing I know of- I'm just doing a few rebuilds + checking. I got a crash on target but not in sim just now which surprised me.. |
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17:00:30 | bobrules | the coverflow direction is reversed from the volume direction |
17:00:51 | Llorean | bobrules: Volume is Up/Down, Coverflow is Left/Right... I'm not sure what you mean. |
17:00:54 | stripwax | So I'm going to see if that's real or not first. |
17:01:07 | PaulPosition | Nico_P : Thanks :) (re: "It was a classic case of out of bounds access after resizing, more visible on the H10 because it has a small screen size and we use the screen size as buffer size.") |
17:01:09 | stripwax | If it's not real (if it does indeed work still) then sounds like it can be committed |
17:01:11 | Llorean | bobrules: When scrolling Clockwise, do the images come on the right side of the screen, and leave the left side? |
17:01:13 | kugel | he means that scrolling clockwise goes backwards in coverflow |
17:01:19 | bobrules | no opposite |
17:01:28 | Llorean | Okay, then the images MOVE right. |
17:01:38 | Llorean | I asked and you said they moved left. |
17:02:00 | bobrules | let me get it out first |
17:02:01 | kugel | bobrules: are you sure? My e200 behaves like I said |
17:02:03 | bobrules | I'm using memory |
17:02:12 | bobrules | mine is e250 |
17:02:24 | Llorean | kugel: When scrolling Clockwise, do the images come on the right side of the screen, and leave the left side? |
17:02:34 | bobrules | Okay |
17:02:45 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: it took me some time to track it down |
17:02:45 | bobrules | when I scroll clockwise the picture moves left |
17:02:55 | Llorean | It enters the right side, and leaves the left side? |
17:03:17 | bobrules | no oppsoite |
17:03:23 | Llorean | Then the pictures are moving right... |
17:03:24 | kugel | Llorean: No |
17:03:27 | bobrules | picture comes from left moves to middle |
17:03:33 | Llorean | When you say "The pictures move..." you should say what direction the pictures move... |
17:03:41 | bobrules | okay how about this |
17:03:45 | kugel | Llorean: When I scroll clockwise, the images comes from the left |
17:03:50 | Llorean | kugel: Okay |
17:03:51 | bobrules | I'm at the most left picture |
17:04:05 | bobrules | when I move clockwise nothing happenes |
17:04:13 | Llorean | The direction you move in the list is the *opposite* direction of that which the pictures move. |
17:04:16 | kugel | yea, like I said |
17:04:42 | kugel | I allready talked about that issue with jott |
17:04:59 | bobrules | maybe it's a preference issue |
17:05:05 | kugel | he said, he'd see what he could do without affecting other targets |
17:05:05 | bobrules | cause I usually start scrolling at the top |
17:05:30 | kugel | bobrules: nah, it's a bug imo |
17:05:47 | Llorean | bobrules: I'm not saying anything about what's right or wrong. I'm just saying, if you say "The pictures move in a direction" you should actually mean that they're MOVING in that direction. |
17:05:48 | jott | maybe it's better not to use PLA after all and use individual mappings for each target |
17:05:49 | stripwax | I think that direction makes sense to me, for what it's worth |
17:06:11 | Llorean | stripwax: Clockwise should move you "forward" in the list... which is Right. Right now it moves you Backward / Left on the Sansa e200 apparently |
17:06:27 | kugel | exactly |
17:06:47 | Llorean | jott: I haven't looked at the plugin code, but can't you just have an #IFDEF for the sansa e200, and swap a positive/negative? |
17:06:48 | jott | or it is a "bug" in the pla defintions?! |
17:07:21 | bobrules | if I turn my player up side down it makes perfect snese |
17:07:22 | jott | Llorean: sure that would work. but then we are close to the old individual (non PLA) mappings again.. |
17:07:43 | Llorean | jott: Then again, as far as I know, the wheel directions should be identical to the iPods... |
17:08:21 | bobrules | but it's reversed of Rockbox |
17:08:57 | Llorean | jott: Maybe look at keymap-e200 and see if something stands out? |
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17:09:10 | Llorean | In comparison to one of the ipod ones. |
17:09:23 | jott | Llorean: yes.. worth a look |
17:09:41 | bobrules | the direction in the PictureFlow main menu works correctly |
17:09:50 | bobrules | but in the track list it's reversed |
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17:12:04 | bobrules | btw Why do I get An Exception Has Occurred |
17:12:04 | bobrules | Python Traceback |
17:12:04 | bobrules | An Exception Has Occurred |
17:12:04 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK bobrules |
17:12:04 | bobrules | Python Traceback |
17:12:12 | bobrules | on the SVN thingy |
17:12:32 | Llorean | Because it's broken right now |
17:13:28 | kugel | the PLA actions are not the same for e200 and ipods |
17:13:56 | jott | e200 uses "SCROLL_UP" and ipods have a "SCROLL_FWD" |
17:14:01 | kugel | PLA_UP is BUTTON_SCROLL_UP for e200, and BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD for ipods |
17:14:06 | jott | yes |
17:14:19 | bobrules | is it easily changable? |
17:14:29 | kugel | why doesn't e200 use FWD too? would be easier to handle |
17:17:25 | kugel | I just looked at keymap_e200.c |
17:17:42 | kugel | volume increase in the wps is BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN |
17:18:12 | kugel | which means, that DOWN is actually clockwise scrolling |
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17:18:43 | bobrules | cool |
17:19:33 | MethoS--- | how can I compile rbutil from svn? I fetched ./rbutil and ./tools . I entered the butil-directory and did 'qmake' and after that 'make' but after some time of compiling, it failes with this message: RCC: Error: Cannot find file 'builtin/sapi_voice.vbs' |
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17:20:39 | Llorean | jott: And Scroll FWD is actually "Down" |
17:20:42 | kugel | I guess it would be the best to fuse the keymaps of the e200 and ipods, at least when scroll wheel is concerned |
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17:21:10 | jott | kugel: yes totally agree.. |
17:21:18 | kugel | I wonder why it is not FWD for e200 :o |
17:21:47 | Llorean | kugel: or why it's not UP/Down for the iPod |
17:21:54 | Llorean | Since Rockbox is primarily list based, so it makes more sense |
17:22:50 | kugel | IMO, up/down is not suitable for a wheel |
17:22:58 | Llorean | Neither is fwd/backwd |
17:23:06 | kugel | no? |
17:23:19 | Llorean | They're as unacceptable as up/down at least |
17:23:26 | kugel | but clockwise and counter-clockwise would be |
17:23:31 | Llorean | Why? |
17:23:54 | kugel | because I see on the first look which scroll direction is meant |
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17:24:06 | Llorean | So, because *you* think it should be that way? |
17:24:22 | jott | well clockwise and counter-clockwise are quite universal i would propose |
17:24:31 | Llorean | Clockwise and Counter are much better than either |
17:24:50 | Llorean | FWD/Back are meaningless in terms of rotation, same with Up/Down |
17:24:56 | bobrules | can sansa handle coverflow while playingmusic in the future? |
17:25:00 | kugel | Llorean: I'm just stating my opinion |
17:25:11 | jott | bobrules: we hope so.. in general it should work |
17:25:23 | PaulPosition | Having used 'dials' all my life, I would think up/down isn't anymore 'weird' than left-right... Think volume knob vs radi tuner knob. |
17:25:26 | Llorean | jott: Planning on having it just do a lot of disk reading? |
17:25:48 | Llorean | PaulPosition: That was my point, FWD/BCK are about equally absurd to UP/DWN. |
17:25:48 | jott | Llorean: we try to reduce the audio buffer while using pf... |
17:25:52 | MethoS--- | how can rbutil be compiles from svn? |
17:26:00 | MethoS--- | how can rbutil be compiled from svn? |
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17:26:28 | Llorean | jott: Aah, interesting. |
17:26:41 | kugel | MethoS−−-: run configure, and choose installer build |
17:27:19 | PaulPosition | Llorean - true enough. |
17:27:56 | Soap | regardless of the fact we could debate "Is clockwise right or left" all day - unlike a theoretical disk floating in space the wheel on a MP3 player has a clearly defined "up". It is from this "up" which left and right are measured. |
17:28:32 | Llorean | Soap: Well then you also know which up "up" is. |
17:29:04 | Llorean | But it's internal key bindings anyawy |
17:29:05 | DefineByte | i say go for turnwise and leftwards |
17:29:12 | Llorean | I think CLOCK and COUNTER are more explicit anyway |
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17:29:29 | Soap | both ways are down when initiated from the top position |
17:29:35 | bobrules | try scrolling from the top, then try scrollign from the bottom, the meaning changes |
17:29:54 | Llorean | Soap: And Left is different when initiated from the Top vs the Buttom |
17:29:59 | pixelma | yes, especially since the e200 scrollwheel definitions are still named BUTTON_SCROLL_UP/DOWN ... ;) |
17:30:01 | Llorean | And both are "Right" from the left side, etc. |
17:30:02 | jott | Soap: i guess when you are in some RTL written country you might think othwerise ...(not sure about that though) |
17:30:11 | Soap | RTL? |
17:30:12 | jott | anyway CLOCK is better than both |
17:30:14 | jott | right to left |
17:30:16 | kugel | CLOCK and COUNTER allways has the same meaning |
17:30:22 | Llorean | It really depends on whether you define "Left" "Top" "Right" or "Bottom" as the point of reference on the wheel |
17:30:31 | MethoS--- | kugel: there is no configure script in ./rbutilqt |
17:30:43 | kugel | tools/configure |
17:30:50 | MethoS--- | ah, thx |
17:31:06 | Llorean | CLOCK and COUNTER are absolute, and also means that if you want "Clock" to go down in lists, but up in volume, and right in a game, it all makes sense. |
17:31:14 | Soap | I agree that clock and counter are always proper - but I'd argue that right/left (and the implicit assumption most people reference from the top) is not a stretch. |
17:31:31 | Soap | "Rightie Tightie / Lefty Loosie" for example. |
17:31:41 | Llorean | Soap: I reference from the left, just because most dials with limited points start at 0 on the left |
17:31:46 | jott | Soap: that's my point you might refer up/down from right, not from left |
17:32:04 | jott | anyway.. i think we all agree on CLOCK/CC |
17:32:05 | Soap | jott: that's why I don't even bring up/down into it. |
17:32:19 | Soap | s/don't/didn't/ |
17:32:20 | DefineByte | CCW CW, for sure |
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17:33:03 | Soap | which way is CW in pictureflow? album covers moving from the right of the screen to the left? |
17:33:04 | MethoS--- | kugel: I don't want to compile rockbox, I want rbutil, this seems to be a configure script for rockbox |
17:33:17 | kugel | press I for installer |
17:33:18 | Llorean | Soap: Moving "Forward" in the list, so the images move from right to left. |
17:33:24 | MethoS--- | ok |
17:33:38 | Llorean | Soap: Except on Sansas, where it's reversed currently, which is what this discussion was around fixing. :) |
17:34:46 | pixelma | ah yes, plugin button actions... |
17:34:50 | jott | so who is making patches?! :P |
17:35:20 | kugel | I could give it a try |
17:35:56 | jott | oh and there is H10 which has definitely a up/down scrolling direction :) |
17:36:10 | jott | probably thats where the sansa defintion derives from |
17:36:31 | PaulPosition | jott - True but right now, H10 scrollpad doesn't work. Not as a scrollpad anyway. ;) |
17:37:06 | Nico_P | jott: seen kugel's FS #8335 ? |
17:37:19 | jott | yes.. not yet looked at it in detail |
17:37:19 | pixelma | jott: yes, IIRC |
17:37:37 | kugel | Nico_P: you like it? I do :) |
17:37:55 | Nico_P | kugel: looks ok to me, but I haven't tested it |
17:37:55 | jott | kugel: at least the latest patch introduced transparent text :) |
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17:41:31 | MethoS--- | some time ago, i only needed the rbutilqt directory to compile thertbutil. now i need also need ./tools and ./firmware and so on.. why? are they really needed? |
17:42:00 | kugel | do you have rbutil now? |
17:42:53 | jharu | errrr... few questions more... while browsing the customwps i found one that i like but it says it was tested in the kugel branch. will it also work for the official one provided i dload the nesessary patches? |
17:43:13 | krazykit | jharu, provided you use the required patches, yes |
17:43:30 | kugel | jharu: which wps/theme? |
17:43:32 | MethoS--- | no! it fails, because it " Cannot find file 'builtin/sapi_voice.vbs' " |
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17:44:03 | kugel | MethoS−−-: Don't know then, I never compiled rbutil |
17:44:05 | jharu | the vclix one. wow kugel himself!!! |
17:44:14 | kugel | heh |
17:44:47 | kugel | vclix definetly needs a custom build |
17:45:01 | kugel | like mine ;) |
17:46:14 | jharu | and also kratojet. wow m a big fan of you since i saw the abi link!!! |
17:46:15 | bobrules | I need more album cover themes that support current build |
17:46:45 | kugel | jharu: thank you :) |
17:47:12 | kugel | bobrules: every theme that requires album art patch only will run on the current build |
17:47:21 | kugel | bobrules: the wps code didn't chane with the commit |
17:47:36 | jharu | errr is it provided in your full download or do i still need the patches for vclix and the kratojet? |
17:47:48 | bobrules | oh I see |
17:48:08 | kugel | jharu: download the full build, and the update version if there is one |
17:48:18 | jharu | also is the installation the same with the official one? |
17:48:30 | kugel | the full build provides several themes, including a special compilation of vclix |
17:48:36 | jharu | will it need the sansa patcher too? |
17:48:42 | kugel | no |
17:48:58 | kugel | if you have rockbox running, you just need to copy my build over your old one |
17:49:46 | bobrules | On this page, http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16, do you think SaagarsBigArtwill work with current build? |
17:50:17 | jharu | not yet. your build will be the first to touch my sansa e260. errrr... can you give me the stability rating of your build? |
17:51:08 | krazykit | jharu, if his build has problems, it's trivial to remove it and use an official build |
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17:53:26 | MethoS--- | somehow, it seems, that sapi_voice.vbs, which is located at ./tools is espected to be in ./rbutil/rbuitqt/builtin/ . if i create the builtin-folder and put the file there, it just compiles fine |
17:57:44 | jharu | ok... so i just extract it in msc mode in the 16(?) mb partition... without the sansapatcher even if official build is not installed. is it correct? |
17:58:15 | Domonoky | MethoS−−-: thats correct, there is a copy command in the .pro file, maybe it doesnt wokr for you ? |
17:59:17 | MethoS--- | yeah, i just remeber i saw an error like this: sh: copy: command not found |
17:59:53 | Domonoky | :-) |
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18:01:21 | pixelma | jharu: no |
18:01:34 | MethoS--- | but its strange anyway, why doesn't it just use cp? |
18:01:41 | krazykit | jharu, no, read the manual on how to install manually if you'll be using a custom build |
18:01:59 | Domonoky | MethoS−−-: and you need the other dirs for rbutil now, because we builtin rbspeex |
18:02:27 | Domonoky | MethoS−−-: because cp didnt work for me on windows.. ? |
18:02:50 | MethoS--- | yeah, but only tools and apps/ , right? |
18:02:52 | Domonoky | feel free to change the non windows copy line |
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18:03:13 | Domonoky | jup tools for sapi script and rbspeex, and rbspeex needs the app dir.. |
18:03:47 | jharu | errr i can only locate the one for the official not for the custom ones... |
18:05:56 | MethoS--- | Domonoky: I would like to change it, but i have no idea, how to use subversion to commit the changes |
18:06:04 | krazykit | jharu, i know. you just use the custom rockbox.zip instead of the official one. it's the same process |
18:06:30 | Domonoky | MethoS−−-: make patch for the patch tracker, and i will commit.. |
18:07:34 | jharu | ok thanks ill install it tonight |
18:08:06 | MethoS--- | Domonoky: would be an option, but I would like to know how to be able to do it myself :D |
18:08:09 | Domonoky | MethoS−−-: and feel free to poke on rbutil.. it needs more hands.. :-) |
18:08:52 | MethoS--- | i already have an account to edit the rockbox-webpages, can I use this acount to access the svn, too? |
18:08:58 | Domonoky | MethoS−−-: to commit yourself you need commit rights, you only get them if you prove your self ( posting good patches) |
18:09:12 | Domonoky | no svn commit rights are different... |
18:09:12 | MethoS--- | hmm, k |
18:09:40 | Domonoky | if you have commit rights, the commiting it self is very easy.. just "svn commit" :-) |
18:09:58 | MethoS--- | :D |
18:09:59 | MethoS--- | right |
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18:11:09 | MethoS--- | btw: for the future: where can I put my login-data, that svn can use it? |
18:11:55 | Domonoky | which login-data ? |
18:12:29 | krazykit | MethoS−−-, there's no login for checking out SVN, only for commits |
18:12:35 | MethoS--- | to be able to commit |
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18:12:50 | MethoS--- | krazykit: clear |
18:13:11 | Domonoky | no need to save them somewhere, svn will ask you if you commit.. |
18:13:19 | MethoS--- | ah, k |
18:14:13 | Domonoky | so till you get svn access, use "svn diff > test.patch" for your modifikations, and put the patch on the tracker.. :-) |
18:15:35 | MethoS--- | oki |
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18:16:41 | spr0k3t | question about album art... is there are resize feature built in or do I need to make the images of a specific size? |
18:17:18 | spr0k3t | also, where do I need to put the album art? |
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18:20:02 | MethoS--- | is there also a command-line tool like rbutil? |
18:20:39 | PaulPosition | spr0k - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
18:20:45 | Domonoky | there are command line tools for the important install tasks of rbutil, but no all-in-one commandline tool |
18:21:02 | PaulPosition | Spr0k - err no... wait. |
18:21:22 | Domonoky | we thought of giving rbutil also command line ability.. no one coded it till now.. :-) |
18:21:49 | PaulPosition | spr0k - nvm, it's there under 'where to put the pictures'... |
18:21:54 | krazykit | MethoS−−-, the manual installers like ipodpatcher or sansapatcher. an rbutil-cli WOULD be nice though |
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18:25:21 | MethoS--- | I just thought about writing a KDE-frontend for rbutil, but since it isn't splitted into core and QT-frontend... |
18:26:02 | Domonoky | MethoS−−-: true, the split isnt good... |
18:27:33 | MethoS--- | the split would be good imo |
18:28:07 | Domonoky | feel free to improve it... :-) |
18:29:32 | MethoS--- | Domonoky: I do an "svn co", then change the code , and then do "svn diff > test.patch" , right? |
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18:29:52 | Domonoky | yes, should work.. |
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18:32:17 | spr0k3t | is there a branch of the main build which has a jpg decoder built in? |
18:32:36 | MethoS--- | Domonoky: worked |
18:35:01 | n1s | spr0k3t: we don't do branches and afaik noone has made an integrated jpeg decoder (i guess you mean for album art) |
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18:39:35 | adulau | hi guys. I have a strange issue with my sansa e280. When the rockbox bootloader is trying to load the original image, it fails just after the calculation of the CRC. |
18:40:00 | adulau | (the screen is going from white to black) |
18:40:43 | adulau | I tried to update the original firmware without success. |
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18:41:45 | advcomp2019 | adulau, are you try an e200 or e200r firmware |
18:41:56 | adulau | the e200 firmware. |
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18:43:50 | adulau | the very strange part : rockbox is booting if the USB is *not* connected. |
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18:44:44 | advcomp2019 | adulau, that is alright |
18:47:25 | adulau | yes but when plug in back the USB when rockbox is running, the screen shows the USB cable but the USB device is not shown on the bus. |
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18:48:45 | advcomp2019 | adulau, bus? |
18:49:34 | adulau | the USB bus ;-) |
18:49:49 | Nico_P | Domonoky: does FS #8336 look correct to you? |
18:50:02 | webguest87 | how helpful were telechips soc datasheets? |
18:50:40 | advcomp2019 | adulau, if you mean the computer, rockbox does not have usb support yet |
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18:50:47 | alienbiker99 | i was testing out the picture flow on an e200 and i noticed the controls seem to be opposite |
18:52:18 | MethoS--- | Domonoky: how can I apply a *.patch file to my local fetched svn? |
18:52:19 | webguest87 | i have found many TCxx datasheets on emule... |
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18:52:46 | adulau | advcomp2019, I'm surprised because I copied my files using USB when rockbox was running ;-) |
18:53:12 | Nico_P | MethoS−−-: patch -p0 < thepatch |
18:53:17 | MethoS--- | k |
18:53:22 | Nico_P | MethoS−−-: see the UsingSVN wiki page |
18:53:32 | MethoS--- | nect time ;) |
18:53:35 | MethoS--- | next time |
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18:54:42 | PaulPosition | Nico_P : is the zoom settings of pictureviewer a percent of the original bitmap size, or the exact pixel dimension you want pf to show? |
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18:55:53 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: I think it's a percentage |
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18:56:40 | jott | another PLA issue/question, this time c200: the "Power" button on the c200 should be bound to the PLA_MENU in "generic_actions" (or in l/r/fire) not to Quit. |
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18:56:45 | advcomp2019 | adulau, that is odd |
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18:57:10 | DefineByte | Anyone willing to commit two tiny patches to tidy up the manual a bit (8313, 8323)? |
18:57:33 | jott | http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/Products/Sansa%20c200_straight.jpg looking at this the "MENU" binding would make sense as the button even has an additional "menu" label |
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19:04:53 | advcomp2019 | adulau, what build are you using because the last rockbox build still does not have full usb support yet |
19:08:23 | adulau | advcomp2019, r14817-070922 it was working well for the past few weeks including usb |
19:08:58 | Domonoky | Nico_P: looks good, commit it.. |
19:09:50 | advcomp2019 | adulau, that is an old build and it has usb support.. that is odd |
19:09:54 | Nico_P | Domonoky: ok, I will after I test it |
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19:11:03 | countrymonkey | I need to svn up to a build of 10102007. What do I need to type into cygwin? |
19:11:43 | Domonoky | Nico_P: you could also commit FS #8337 :-) |
19:12:06 | adulau | advcomp2019, the other odd part is when using the recovery mode and trying to copy the original firmware. The rockbox is not willing to boot the original mi4. |
19:12:20 | Nico_P | yeah I huess |
19:12:21 | adulau | s/rockbox/rockbox firmware/ |
19:12:22 | Nico_P | guess |
19:12:43 | stripwax_ | adulau - are you SURE that when you copied the files over that rockbox was running at the same time (you weren't running the original firmware at that moment by any chance) |
19:14:27 | countrymonkey | I need to svn up to a build of 10102007. What do I need to type into cygwin? |
19:14:31 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - do you have any advice for tracking down a Data Abort in sliding_puzzle on my ipod target? Happens when I switch from default puzzle to albumart puzzle, although that works in sim ok. |
19:14:56 | adulau | advcomp2019, I was thinking the same in September... that why I rebooted to be sure ;-) |
19:15:03 | Nico_P | stripwax_: first thing to do is lookup the abort address in the maps |
19:18:02 | countrymonkey | What is the svn up syntax for going back to a date? |
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19:19:46 | adulau | countrymonkey : −−revision {2007-12-15} |
19:20:07 | countrymonkey | thanks |
19:20:53 | SonicChao | I'm thinking of buying an MP3 Player or something like it. What's the cheapest one (It doesn't matter to me how old it is; as long as it plays MP3s) supported by RockBox? |
19:22:07 | Llorean | Probably the c200 if you can find v1 models of them still. |
19:22:24 | SonicChao | Llorean: Where there's an eBay, there's a way. ;D |
19:23:32 | alienbiker99 | on the e200 in pictureflow, to scroll the tracks, you have to move the wheel left, it would be more intuitive to move to the right. |
19:24:01 | Llorean | alienbiker99: Known issue |
19:24:07 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - hm, the abort I got most recently was "prefetch abort at AAB2AAB2" which doesn't look like a real address :( |
19:24:12 | alienbiker99 | ok |
19:24:31 | Nico_P | stripwax_: indeed. maybe it's a #defined one... |
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19:25:30 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - the one before was "illegal instruction at E0000004" :( and the time before that it just hung without aborting. Can you see anything obvious (or even not so obvious) in my patch? |
19:25:54 | Nico_P | I can't look right now but I'll try to do so shortly |
19:26:32 | stripwax_ | Many thanks. I'm going to quickly try without the simple_resize_bitmap call and see if the problem goes away - wondering if I'm just doing something wrong |
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19:37:27 | DefineByte | anyone here know anything about the Alpin CD Changer plugin? |
19:37:36 | DefineByte | alpine/ |
19:38:10 | DefineByte | or maybe even just electrical gubbins x) |
19:40:37 | kugel | Nico_P: can you commit FS #8335? jott is fine with it |
19:40:42 | DefineByte | I ask because there's a bit in the manual about it that I'm not sure on. |
19:41:11 | kugel | However c200 should avoid either album name at the top or 100x100 AA sizes |
19:42:16 | DefineByte | Nevermind, google knows all. :) |
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20:05:23 | Nico_P | kugel: there is a glitch with fps display on, album title at the bottom of the screen and a long album: the track titles overlap the album title |
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20:16:53 | kugel | Nico_P: I didn't take long lists into account, since the original version doesn't do it, and I don't have long lists to test |
20:17:11 | Nico_P | the original did it ok |
20:20:23 | kugel | what does the original with album title at the bottom and long lists? |
20:21:54 | Nico_P | I'm not sure what it does exactly, but there is no overlap |
20:25:55 | kugel | are you sure that your test list is long enough? |
20:26:25 | Nico_P | yes |
20:26:55 | stripwax_ | Nico_P - hm, sprinkling rb->splash liberally through my code as an aid to debugging, the plugin now aborts almost as soon as it is launched. Could this symptom show if my plugin is too big? I've got two largeish LCD buffers |
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20:28:28 | Nico_P | stripwax_: no idea but IIRC the plugin has 512 KB. I don't know what happens if it is too big |
20:31:13 | stripwax_ | Thanks. It's 118KB, I'll try making all my buffers static and see how big it gets. |
20:31:40 | Llorean | If it's too big, I believe it simply won't ocmpile. |
20:32:09 | stripwax_ | Llorean - the compiler won't know how much stack the plugins needs (or will it?) |
20:33:13 | Llorean | I just meant if the plugin is too big, not if it uses too much stack. |
20:33:20 | Llorean | I'm not sure what will happen in that case. |
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20:33:51 | stripwax_ | ok. so I'll try moving my runtime stuff to be statically allocated (and see if it still compiles) |
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20:35:17 | Nico_P | I guess if it uses too much stack you just get a "PANIC stkov" |
20:35:27 | stripwax_ | Oh well :-) |
20:35:31 | Llorean | Usually yes. |
20:35:47 | Llorean | But I believe a stkov can cause a problem *before* the panic, and cause other symptoms too. I may be wrong. |
20:36:00 | Llorean | At least I seem to recall something like that happening in the past |
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20:45:19 | kugel | Nico_P: ís it possible, that the list simply fades out before it can overlap with the album title in the original version? |
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20:45:37 | stripwax_ | I have one major function, to which I added a rb->splash right at the start, and that splash doesn't appear. So my guess is I'm crashing out during the function entry which suggests to me stack problems. Will see what I can find, it's rather strange |
20:45:43 | stripwax_ | Llorean/Nico_P - thanks, as always! |
20:45:58 | Nico_P | kugel: no, it's fine even when the bottom items are solid white |
20:46:52 | kugel | I'm trying to fix it atm |
20:47:10 | Nico_P | ok |
20:47:33 | Nico_P | I'll try to look at it too as soon as I finish what I'm doing |
20:49:25 | kugel | Does the fps overlap with the first item in the list in the original item? |
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20:52:30 | Lmaonade | hey there |
20:52:38 | Lmaonade | does anyone know anything about LogoSwapper? |
20:53:04 | Llorean | The logoswapper is software not part of the Rockbox project. |
20:53:19 | Llorean | It's something someone on a forum made, so if you have questions, you should ask them. |
20:53:20 | Nico_P | kugel: yes, it does... I had never noticed before :p |
20:53:47 | kugel | this is why I moved the list down, even if album titles are at the bottom |
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20:54:13 | Nico_P | I'm not sure it's worth caring about the FPS display |
20:54:39 | Llorean | The FPS display should probably be treated as a "debug" thing. IE, don't move things around for it, in general |
20:54:51 | Nico_P | exactly |
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20:55:28 | the_big_man | I was wondering if anyone else using a Gigabeat F has had the screen fade to white while using pictureflow |
20:56:14 | Nico_P | the_big_man: you're the first to report that AFAIK |
20:56:45 | JdGordon | the_big_man: did you maybe put a new .rock in with an old rockbox.gb? |
20:57:00 | JdGordon | or vice verca |
20:57:14 | the_big_man | I've just been downloading the current build |
20:57:19 | JdGordon | hmm |
20:57:45 | the_big_man | it doesn't do it right away, I'm usually in the plugin for a couple minutes |
20:58:10 | the_big_man | before it fades to white I get some artifacts on the right hand side of the screen |
20:59:02 | the_big_man | just thought I'd let you guys know, cause it's a damn cool plugin |
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21:01:30 | kugel | Nico_P: Ok, fixed |
21:01:46 | kugel | no, wait |
21:02:38 | stripwax_ | Llorean/Nico_P - strange - making my buffer static seems to have (also) fixed the aborts. |
21:02:57 | stripwax_ | Ok well I guess I'll just remove my debugging code and update that patch one more time :) |
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21:03:24 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
21:04:09 | Nico_P | I guess too much stack usage actually makes a lot of sense... there probably was seom stack corruption |
21:06:46 | stripwax_ | I guess. Probably wasn't wise of me to create a framebuffer on stack in the first place |
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21:47:56 | |NSA| | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=90d8c915e8b613e00e9ec456b8f47103&topic=13198.0 seems to imply that the mpeg player has seeking, but i thought it didn't. am i confused? |
21:51:49 | Nico_P | it doesn"r |
21:51:52 | Nico_P | doesn't |
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22:21:38 | crzyboyster | what happened to svn? |
22:22:29 | crzyboyster | go to http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/ and it says "python error" |
22:22:35 | petur | old news |
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22:22:49 | petur | an upgrade went wrong |
22:22:55 | crzyboyster | so it's all lost? |
22:22:59 | petur | nah |
22:23:08 | crzyboyster | when will it be back up? |
22:23:23 | petur | when Zagor comes along and fixes it ;) |
22:24:10 | crzyboyster | on a side note Nico_P: you've done an awesome job with pictureflow (the new update) any more updates planned? |
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22:24:44 | Nico_P | crzyboyster: the credit goes to jott. I'm only the one who commits the patches ;) |
22:24:56 | crzyboyster | oh, i see :D |
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22:25:14 | Perdignus | Hello - dumb question, but if my iPod didn't have any music on it before installing Rockbox, how do I load the music on the Nano now? |
22:25:31 | crzyboyster | the amazing part is that we're just a step away from making it play music! |
22:25:58 | crzyboyster | Perdignus: go ahead and initialize your database (click on database on menu) |
22:26:04 | crzyboyster | then reboot |
22:26:22 | Perdignus | crzyboyster: will do, thanks! |
22:26:22 | crzyboyster | Perdignus: sorry! didn't read properly! |
22:26:53 | crzyboyster | you can continue to use itunes if you wish or just drag and drop music file |
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22:27:12 | Perdignus | I hate iTunes, do I have to use it? It's not even installed on my PC |
22:28:07 | crzyboyster | just make a folder on in the root of you ipod and make a folder called "Music" in there |
22:28:41 | crzyboyster | then just drag and drop your music files in! on a side note: the original apple firmware will not be able to pick up those music files |
22:28:58 | crzyboyster | I, personally, still use itunes (more simple) |
22:29:24 | Perdignus | after I copy the music there, can I initialize the db so it knows where the MP3 files are and learns their ID3 info? |
22:29:54 | crzyboyster | yes |
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22:30:08 | Perdignus | Cool, I'm gonna like this |
22:30:32 | crzyboyster | another thing to do is to (maybe) update your database once more after intializing and rebooting |
22:30:49 | Perdignus | ok, I'll do that |
22:31:00 | crzyboyster | this is because i have noticed that it doesn't like to pick up all of your songs the first time around |
22:31:16 | Perdignus | one last question (for now eh?), can Rockbox play video files? |
22:31:18 | crzyboyster | and also, install some of my rockbox themes |
22:31:26 | crzyboyster | yes, it can |
22:31:32 | Perdignus | I installed them all :) |
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22:32:18 | crzyboyster | that makes me feel good (and also, did you get the cabbie 2.0 port, it's quite nice) |
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22:32:40 | crzyboyster | also, for the videos, read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
22:33:12 | Perdignus | sweet, thnaks |
22:33:14 | crzyboyster | specifically http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Using_WinFF_Windows_Linux if you're on windows |
22:34:12 | crzyboyster | also check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#Cabbie_2_0_for_nano :P |
22:34:34 | crzyboyster | good luck! |
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22:35:09 | Perdignus | Thanks a lot. So far so good, this is much better than iPodLinux already |
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22:36:02 | * | amiconn returns and oh-noes :/ |
22:36:36 | crzyboyster | Perdignus: i know this is kind of off-topic, but how did you manage to get ipodlinux installed? |
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22:36:41 | stripwax | Nico_P - all done, seems that it works. Nothing left on my side preventing being committed (until someone throws something else new at me :) |
22:36:46 | stripwax | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218 |
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22:37:33 | petur | amiconn? |
22:37:47 | Nico_P | stripwax: cool :) I'll take time before committing though |
22:38:03 | Nico_P | some time I mean |
22:38:10 | crzyboyster | Nico_P: please don't be lazy! |
22:38:14 | Nico_P | hehe |
22:38:36 | crzyboyster | especially with new features! |
22:38:52 | crzyboyster | so how did you do it? |
22:39:01 | crzyboyster | to Perdignus, I mean |
22:39:36 | stripwax | Nico_P - sure, whenever |
22:39:58 | Perdignus | crzyboyster actually, recently I couldn't get it re-installed, but originally I used an unofficial installer that worked pretty well |
22:40:34 | crzyboyster | well, i am sure that you will never touch ipodlinux ever again! |
22:41:12 | Perdignus | You're right, I won't, Rockbox is years ahead |
22:41:37 | crzyboyster | so, Perdignus, did you get video working? |
22:41:38 | DefineByte | they have different aims |
22:42:03 | crzyboyster | DefineByte: I realize this, but rockbox is still better for most users |
22:42:34 | DefineByte | certainly, most people just want a DAP. |
22:42:52 | crzyboyster | Redbreva: what's happening with the rockbox-themes.org page? |
22:43:24 | scorche | crzyboyster: what do you mean "what is happening"? |
22:43:30 | Perdignus | crzyboyster I didn't try the video yet, just finished copying the music to the device and now I'll do the DB stuff, I'll let you know how it all goes |
22:43:51 | stripwax | jhMikeS/devs - anything stopping the pacbox-on-cop patch being committed? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226 |
22:44:09 | crzyboyster | scorche: well, it says the server has been down, but I asked him and he said that it's being completely redone. |
22:44:46 | scorche | yes, it is |
22:44:59 | crzyboyster | so, when will it be back up? |
22:45:41 | scorche | looks up to me...or are you referring to rbutil? |
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22:46:12 | crzyboyster | scorche: I don't understand? |
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22:47:15 | scorche | rockbox-themes.org looks up to me... |
22:47:30 | crzyboyster | well, any estimate? |
22:47:31 | kugel | Nico_P: I found the cause of this |
22:47:44 | scorche | estimate of what? |
22:47:45 | kugel | the track list isn't refreshed on changing a setting |
22:48:11 | crzyboyster | when it will be back up |
22:48:26 | stripwax | crzyboyster - scorche is saying it doesn't look down |
22:48:35 | scorche | i can access it just fine |
22:49:12 | scorche | http://rockbox-themes.org click the link... |
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22:49:25 | advcomp2019 | crzyboyster, i can get to rockbox-themes.org |
22:49:31 | stripwax | wffm |
22:49:45 | crzyboyster | OH! I see, what i mean is that "Uploading offline untill issues with the server are resolved, sorry!" at the bottom |
22:50:10 | crzyboyster | I can get to it, too |
22:50:26 | scorche | well, that is just uploading...not the site |
22:51:16 | crzyboyster | sorry, i didn't phrase my question properly |
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22:54:30 | crzyboyster | so i'm guessing that nobody knows? |
22:55:05 | scorche | it will be up when everything is ready |
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22:55:22 | scorche | i would rather not give a date/time |
22:56:00 | pixelma | petur: I read a bit in the logs and you were interested/had questions about building the manual under cygwin? |
22:56:21 | crzyboyster | well, why not scorche? |
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22:57:30 | petur | pixelma: interested is a bit over it - wanted to help somebody build the html one and failed too |
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22:59:06 | pixelma | can't help with the html manual either :\ one would need to install the tex4ht package manually for cygwin and I couldn't figure it out when I tried a while ago (pondlife neither) :\ |
22:59:37 | DefineByte | I think Llorean said he managed it. |
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23:01:49 | stripwax | Does it normally take a very long time to build the pictureflow database? Mine's been running for about five minutes and the progress bar is about 25% across. I have something like 10000 tracks but less than half that number actually has album art |
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23:02:18 | petur | sounds reasonable |
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23:07:45 | pixelma | someone fixed viewvc ;) |
23:08:19 | Zagor | yeah, crappy python change library locations again. they do that in every single update, it seems. |
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23:10:27 | pixelma | how nice... |
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23:13:06 | stripwax | Saw this about pictureflow: "some images also have a reflection above, haven't worked out what is special about them, maybe size?". Could it occur when the bmp is bottom-up i.e. negative height? |
23:13:49 | Genre9mp3 | petur: around? |
23:13:57 | petur | yup |
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23:14:32 | Genre9mp3 | petur: you have installed an 80GB drive in you H340, right? |
23:14:38 | petur | yes |
23:15:00 | Genre9mp3 | Is that the MK8007GAH? |
23:15:12 | petur | iirc, yes |
23:15:59 | Genre9mp3 | Today I was searching for a hard drive replacement and I _think_ I've found an 120GB drive that fits into an H340 |
23:16:07 | petur | what? |
23:16:25 | petur | no zif connection then? |
23:16:34 | Genre9mp3 | I think/hope so |
23:16:48 | Genre9mp3 | Here's a link: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productType.do?group=72 |
23:17:24 | Genre9mp3 | If you see, in the N series they have 4 different 120GB models |
23:18:08 | Genre9mp3 | HS122JB and HS120JB are listed as "PATA/ZIF" while HS122JC and HS120JC as just "PATA" |
23:18:26 | petur | hmmmm |
23:19:13 | Genre9mp3 | I've made a search on ebay and found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Samsung-120-GB-1-8-Hard-Drive-SpinPoint-HS122JC_W0QQitemZ230203022767QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230203022767#ebayphotohosting |
23:19:31 | Genre9mp3 | (sorry about the long link) |
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23:20:12 | Genre9mp3 | I'm a bit confused though, because if I judge from the pic, it seems to me that the drive is 2.5' and not 1.8' |
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23:21:03 | petur | yes, the dimensions look wrong |
23:21:40 | Genre9mp3 | though, at samsung site they clearly state that HS122JC is an 1.8 drive |
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23:23:59 | stripwax | Some weird pictureflow bugs: 1. With a mixture of 100x100 and 200x200 bmps in my collection, scrolling past a 'large' album sometimes makes one of the smaller covers in the background pop to the front for a moment, breaking the illusion |
23:24:43 | stripwax | 2. One of my albums, when I select it, shows the same tracklisting three times over (tracklisting screen has a list that is three times longer than it should be) |
23:24:49 | Genre9mp3 | petur: any ideas on this? |
23:25:12 | stripwax | Another of mine has the tracklisting displayed twice |
23:25:44 | stripwax | 3. In the settings menu, selecting "Zoom" brings up a new submenu with the title "Number Of Slides" (rather than "Zoom") |
23:25:52 | stripwax | It is the zoom menu, but the title is wrong |
23:27:26 | stripwax | 4. CPU is left boosted even when we're just in the settings menu or the tracklisting page doing nothing - would it not be better to only boost while animating? |
23:30:51 | bobrules | yay svn is back |
23:31:58 | petur | Genre9mp3: the current toshiba's are 78.5x54x8 and that samsung is 71x54x8 which would explain that it looks more square |
23:33:38 | petur | it would be nice to know what they mean with PATA though |
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23:35:01 | Genre9mp3 | pity that you can't see the connector in that pic |
23:35:14 | petur | indeed - maybe ask the seller? |
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23:35:34 | Genre9mp3 | this is what I'm about to do |
23:35:54 | Genre9mp3 | H300 needs a 50pin layout right? |
23:36:53 | petur | yes, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
23:37:35 | petur | do you update that wiki page, btw? |
23:38:11 | Genre9mp3 | sure... though I'm not sure about the connectors on these models |
23:38:30 | Genre9mp3 | I'll update the wiki a bit later |
23:38:43 | petur | great |
23:38:53 | petur | I gtg anyway... |
23:38:59 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
23:39:01 | Genre9mp3 | see you |
23:39:03 | Genre9mp3 | and thanks |
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