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| 00:10:31 | kugel | Nico_P: are you there? |
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| 00:10:43 | Nico_P | sort of |
| 00:11:43 | kugel | I think I fixed it |
| 00:12:02 | kugel | fps and album title at the bottom is working |
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| 00:12:47 | Nico_P | nice :) |
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| 00:14:34 | kugel | however, I'm not too happy with it |
| 00:14:57 | kugel | I needed to make two fake reset_track_list functions |
| 00:15:18 | kugel | the problem was, that the tracklist isn't updated after a change in the settings |
| 00:15:36 | kugel | I'm gonna upload the version in a few minutes, so that you can take a look |
| 00:16:02 | kugel | but still, I've fixed some issues the original version has |
| 00:16:11 | Nico_P | kugel: I'm afraid I won't have time to look at it this evening |
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| 00:24:10 | Redbreva | Regarding Rockbox-themes.org... At the moment, as you are probably aware, we are in the process of preparing a new server/host. One of the problems with the current host is the limited bandwidth available. It is currently costing me almost £70 PER MONTH in excess charges. |
| 00:24:27 | Bagder | :-( |
| 00:24:31 | | Part ompaul ("use the /part command to leave one channel at a time") |
| 00:25:20 | Redbreva | This months allocation is just about fully used already,just over half way into the month. I have temporaritl removed access to the iPod 5G themes in an effort to reduce my costs (they are the highest call on downloads) |
| 00:26:11 | Bagder | so what's the status on the new host? |
| 00:26:20 | Redbreva | But, rest assured, once scorche has the new platform ready - full service will be restored. No Pressure scorche ;-) |
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| 00:26:28 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:26:41 | * | Bagder turns the screws a bit tighter |
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| 00:28:22 | Redbreva | 100GB of data downloaded from my site, and an additional 8GB from soaps mirror in 16 days - too many users on rbutil at the moment :-( |
| 00:29:29 | thegeek_ | the "download all themes" button should be removed from rbutil. |
| 00:29:35 | Bagder | perhaps we should think of a way to get some contents over on the download.rockbox.org system |
| 00:29:36 | thegeek_ | it's just wasteful |
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| 00:30:03 | * | dionoea can offer a download mirror if needed |
| 00:30:22 | kugel | Nico_P: Wait, I'm adding trying to add fullscreen tracklist when hidden fps and title |
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| 00:32:24 | Redbreva | I have a mirror on soap server, which worked great for 'normal browsing', but unfortunately it has to be on rb-t.o for rbutil to be able to access it (http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/) |
| 00:32:38 | Redbreva | s/soap/soap's |
| 00:33:00 | Redbreva | hence the 100/8 split |
| 00:33:04 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: ADX seems to be working *much* better than it did in the past. However, it does occasionally have a codec failure still. Out of 30+ ADXs, it failed twice, that I noticed. Sorry again about that. I honestly thought the build I was using was much newer than it was. |
| 00:33:13 | Bagder | well, rbutil could be poked to do it however we want |
| 00:34:03 | dionoea | Redbreva: 100 GB would be neglectable on the server i'm thinking about (we server more than 1 TB per day) |
| 00:34:28 | Redbreva | Trouble is not many of the users seem to update too often - there are still a lot of original rbutil (ie not the qt version) |
| 00:34:49 | dionoea | s/server/serve/ |
| 00:36:02 | Redbreva | 1381 accesses to the original rbutil page in 16 days |
| 00:36:16 | Bagder | Redbreva: true, but you could remove that page/host name or whatever to force people to upgrade |
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| 00:38:00 | Redbreva | I think I will remove that page anyway - so any queries about rbutil failing to download themes - upgrade to latest, rbutil failing to get ipod5G themes - please be patient or visit http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/ to get them manually |
| 00:38:08 | Mouser_X | What about adding auto-update to RButil? Would that be a useful, or wasteful, idea? |
| 00:38:17 | DefineByte | i was just thinking that |
| 00:38:37 | DefineByte | or at least notify the user that an update is available |
| 00:38:38 | Mouser_X | (Obviously, they'd have to update for that to take effect, but if you force an update anyway, now would be a good time to implement it.) |
| 00:38:41 | Bagder | sounds like a good idea, at least a "check for new version" or similar |
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| 00:39:49 | Mouser_X | If that's implemented, I'd have it on by default, but of course allow people to turn it off (for whatever reason). |
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| 00:41:28 | DefineByte | yea, I useually turn that sort of stuff off (don't like phoning home). |
| 00:41:35 | DefineByte | usually/ |
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| 00:46:25 | Mouser_X | I turn it off because I don't like it bugging me about a new version... Perhaps if it was more like Firefox's update process, where it does it in the background. Next time you start RButil, it's running the latest version. However, that should be optional. I certainly wouldn't want it to do that without my knowing that it's doing that. If I was aware that the feature was in place, and being used, then I'm fine with it. |
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| 00:49:24 | scorche | Redbreva: how close is the site to your BW limit again? |
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| 00:50:21 | Redbreva | My limit is 100GB/Month - Currently 99.6GB downloaded !! |
| 00:50:32 | Mouser_X | !!! Yow! |
| 00:50:49 | pixelma | Redbreva: if you say the redirect wouldn't work for people using an old rbutil (if I understood correctly), do they get an error message (and is this error message built-in into rbutil? |
| 00:52:55 | Redbreva | for the file http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/112x64x1/Black-White.zip rbutil only gets the /data/112x64x1/Black-White.zip part passed to it, the rest is hard coded into the application. Not too sure what it does if the page is not found |
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| 00:57:41 | scorche | Redbreva: honestly, i am in favor of either releasing a new rbutil that goes to soap's site, or disabling access entirely for the next week while i hurry up and get the server to the point where it is ready for the themes site (just the things necessary and i can do the other non-crucial things later)...those fees are just extortionary |
| 00:58:13 | Redbreva | tell me about it 99p/GB !! |
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| 01:04:38 | Redbreva | Well folks, time for bed here - good night |
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| 01:04:59 | scorche | ack |
| 01:07:04 | pixelma | maybe he could get a bit from the fund? |
| 01:07:44 | Bagder | a good idea |
| 01:07:50 | Bagder | now, bedtime |
| 01:08:29 | pixelma | yeah, here too. Night |
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| 01:23:30 | Mouser_X | Would anyone be willing to help me out here? This WPS hasn't been updated since Feb. or so, and it's failing on line 53. I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea as to what, in line 53, is failing: http://pastebin.ca/819509 |
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| 01:28:42 | jac0b | I think the bmp resize patch is broken form the pictureflow |
| 01:29:00 | jac0b | or it is broken just cause |
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| 01:31:58 | jac0b | has anyone successfully applied the bmp resize patch |
| 01:33:33 | Mouser_X | That WPS I linked from pastebin seems to be failing on "%xd|" Any idea what deleting this will do to the WPS? Specifically, in comparison to the old WPS, how will deleting this change how it looks/displays info? |
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| 01:34:25 | Mouser_X | I'm guessing that it won't have any effect, since it appears to load nothing, therefore it wouldn't display anything in the old WPS parser. |
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| 01:48:02 | kugel | jott: nearly done, I've added some more improvements |
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| 01:58:05 | JdGordon | holy crap!! this cant be!! |
| 01:58:12 | JdGordon | I tihnk my code has worked first go! |
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| 02:34:53 | Traveler2 | hey freenode's working again |
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| 02:36:10 | Traveler2 | anyone having trouble opening text files for rockbox on ipod? |
| 02:36:23 | kugel | jott: there? |
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| 02:37:13 | kugel | jott: FS #8335 −− I think my final version which should be ready to commit, I'm going to bed now |
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| 02:44:34 | JdGordon | can someone test out a patch for me? i've redone the list code again and need to make sure its good |
| 02:46:19 | safetydan | Away from a compiler at the moment, but what's the new list code bring? |
| 02:47:33 | JdGordon | ive got rid of the individual list structs for each screen, so the sturct is only duplicated for the variables which actually are different for each |
| 02:47:37 | JdGordon | should be a bit smaller |
| 02:48:02 | JdGordon | 200bytes of rec apparently |
| 02:48:18 | JdGordon | bah, was hoping for more than that... |
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| 03:09:48 | Traveler2 | so is there a forum of rockbox games in development? |
| 03:10:24 | psycho_maniac | no |
| 03:10:35 | psycho_maniac | check the patch tracker |
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| 03:13:04 | Shoo-t | Yo |
| 03:13:24 | Shoo-t | Does anyone have any info on the Sansa e200 v2 series? |
| 03:13:29 | Shoo-t | And how they get rockboxed? |
| 03:14:00 | JdGordon | you cant put rockbox on them yet |
| 03:14:03 | psycho_maniac | they are not supported at this moment |
| 03:14:06 | Shoo-t | Ok thanks |
| 03:14:10 | Shoo-t | Are they working on it? |
| 03:14:18 | psycho_maniac | check the wiki? |
| 03:14:22 | Shoo-t | D; k |
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| 03:28:29 | Traveler2 | anyone able to open text files on an ipod nano with rockbox? |
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| 03:28:54 | JdGordon | everyone is |
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| 03:30:26 | Traveler2 | somehow I'm not, I tried opening files under notes and it shows nothing or once I set it to show all files and select a text file I'm told it doesn't know what to do with that type of file |
| 03:31:49 | psycho_maniac | update to the latest build |
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| 03:33:02 | JdGordon | Traveler2: 1) read the manual, 2) hold select > open with > viewer |
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| 03:34:39 | Perdignus | Hello - I just installed Rockbox on a Nano iPod tonight and I'm simply amazed, even the video player is excellent! |
| 03:36:54 | Traveler2 | there is nothing listed under open with |
| 03:37:10 | Perdignus | Is Rockbox linux? |
| 03:37:14 | scorche | no |
| 03:37:26 | psycho_maniac | Traveler2: just click on the txt file it should open |
| 03:37:40 | scorche | Traveler2: is it a txt file? |
| 03:37:50 | anap40 | can someone help me install a theme that I downloaded the zip file for? I don't see instructions for how to do so in the manual. And when i use the rockbox utility to get themes from online it says no themes found. |
| 03:38:17 | Traveler2 | I tried with both .txt files and a file I saved with the text editor on rockbox |
| 03:38:22 | scorche | anap40: the themes repository is undergoing changes atm |
| 03:38:31 | Perdignus | Is Rockbox written in C? |
| 03:38:44 | psycho_maniac | anap40: just extract the zip to the root of the drive |
| 03:38:44 | safetydan | Perdignus: yes |
| 03:38:46 | Traveler2 | my install is the bleeding source compiled for ipod, is it possible that viewer isn't included there? |
| 03:39:04 | anap40 | scorche: is there a way to manually install a theme that I downloaded though? |
| 03:39:12 | safetydan | Traveler2: it sounds like you haven't copied the plugins and viewers that should be part of the build |
| 03:39:14 | scorche | unzip it |
| 03:39:23 | anap40 | to where? |
| 03:39:31 | anap40 | the ipod? |
| 03:39:38 | Perdignus | Well, all I have to say is WOW! I've been disappointed with iPodLinux for more than a year, and Rockbox blows it away! |
| 03:40:08 | Traveler2 | yea I agree perdignus, game plugins seem to run much faster |
| 03:40:51 | Perdignus | Is there a picture slideshow app? |
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| 03:41:55 | safetydan | Perdignus: there's the JPEG viewer plugin but you'll have to manually go to the next image |
| 03:42:28 | anap40 | did someone try to pm me, i see that i had some popups blocked, if not can someone help me out with installing a theme from a zip file |
| 03:43:13 | hcs | safetydan: no, it has a slideshow mode to advance automatically |
| 03:43:27 | safetydan | anap40: unzip it on your ipod. If it's a properly constructed theme it should unzip in to the right place |
| 03:44:16 | safetydan | hcs: that'll learn me for looking at the wiki first and the manual second |
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| 03:47:30 | Traveler2 | okay, able to open text files now, thanks |
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| 04:08:59 | safetydan | Perdignus: be aware that none of the recent archos models are supported. If you want Rockbox support, look at this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 04:09:40 | Perdignus | safetydan thanks |
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| 04:15:21 | safetydan | JdGordon: I assume you're on the case to fix the m-robe build? |
| 04:15:41 | safetydan | nice bit of byte saving as well |
| 04:15:58 | * | safetydan wants long term graphs of bin size |
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| 04:19:31 | crzyboyster | Llorean: do you want to start commiting some of the default theme ports into svn? |
| 04:19:56 | crzyboyster | like the ipod video and gigabeat? |
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| 04:50:57 | insanepyro | Hi, I need some help with my Rock Box. I updated the firmware a couple days ago, and now my windows XP will not recognize my Ipod 80gb with Rock Box on it. What should I do or where should I start. I cant access the ipod at all through my usb drive! |
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| 04:56:57 | insanepyro | Hi, I need some help with my Rock Box. I updated the firmware a couple days ago, and now my windows XP will not recognize my Ipod 80gb with Rock Box on it. What should I do or where should I start. I cant access the ipod at all through my usb drive! |
| 04:58:37 | krazykit | insanepyro, are you booting into emergency disk mode or the original firmware?/ |
| 04:59:04 | advcomp2019 | insanepyro, plus you do not need to repeat yourself |
| 04:59:12 | insanepyro | original as in the rock box firmware |
| 04:59:24 | insanepyro | sorry |
| 04:59:39 | krazykit | insanepyro, no, original as in apple firmware |
| 04:59:49 | krazykit | rockbox does not have USB support on iPods yet. |
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| 05:00:44 | insanepyro | thats odd krazy, i've been adding and removing files for about 2 months on my ipod with rockbox using the usb port... |
| 05:01:11 | krazykit | insanepyro, you've probably been using emergency disk mode. |
| 05:02:17 | insanepyro | so how do I go about adding and removing my music? Is there a way to boot back into emergency disk mode like I have been doing? |
| 05:03:06 | krazykit | insanepyro, this is covered in the manual. |
| 05:03:21 | insanepyro | thanks |
| 05:03:39 | insanepyro | :/ |
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| 05:15:56 | JdGordon | safetydan: bah, completly forgot abouit the mrobe :p |
| 05:16:15 | JdGordon | not as much green as i was hoping.. but still green |
| 05:17:00 | eigma | hey Jd :) |
| 05:17:05 | JdGordon | hey hey |
| 05:17:08 | JdGordon | hows things? |
| 05:17:12 | eigma | pretty good |
| 05:17:17 | JdGordon | finshed exams? |
| 05:17:19 | eigma | just finished my last exam friday |
| 05:17:21 | eigma | yep! :D |
| 05:17:23 | * | eigma is very happy |
| 05:17:25 | JdGordon | congrats |
| 05:18:37 | eigma | I thought I heard the mrobe build was broken? |
| 05:20:08 | JdGordon | yeah, i redid the list drawing code and forgot about it |
| 05:20:10 | JdGordon | fixing it now |
| 05:21:31 | JdGordon | any interesting developments with the dsp? :p |
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| 05:25:55 | eigma | nah, haven't touched it |
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| 05:51:02 | webguest89 | hi i was just looking at the picture flow plugin and i can't find where to download it? please help? :) |
| 05:52:15 | advcomp2019 | webguest89, it is in the addons already |
| 05:52:26 | webguest89 | oh... |
| 05:52:35 | hcs | webguest89: plugins are included with rockbox |
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| 05:53:41 | webguest89 | um i want to download the new rock box and install it on my ipod video....is there a way to install it without erasing all my backdrops and all my rockboy game saves? |
| 05:54:08 | safetydan | webguest89: unzipping a new rockbox build on to your iPod should not overwrite those sort of things |
| 05:54:51 | webguest89 | ok...it did last time i did it but i'll try again. thank you! :) |
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| 06:02:21 | safetydan | well it depends on your unzipping program |
| 06:02:31 | safetydan | if it's dumb, then it will probably overwrite |
| 06:03:45 | webguest89 | i have another question. i'm looking at some kind of patch that says the i can zoom into pictures without stopping playback. how do i install that on my ipod? |
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| 06:04:45 | BoBisChriS | could someone link me to the manual for an 80 Gb iPod 5th gen please? |
| 06:05:03 | scorche | BoBisChriS: can you not find it from www.rockbox.org? |
| 06:05:14 | BoBisChriS | i havnt checked |
| 06:05:20 | BoBisChriS | i was just asking for a link.. |
| 06:05:23 | BoBisChriS | thats all |
| 06:05:50 | scorche | then check |
| 06:06:10 | BoBisChriS | sigh... ok, i will |
| 06:06:27 | BoBisChriS | well... perhaps you can answer my question |
| 06:06:50 | BoBisChriS | is there a radio plugin for it? |
| 06:07:06 | scorche | radio requires hardware |
| 06:07:21 | BoBisChriS | which i have |
| 06:07:38 | BoBisChriS | and where can i find a list of downloadable plugins? |
| 06:07:43 | scorche | an ipod accessory? |
| 06:07:43 | webguest89 | please help....if you know anything i've been trying to find out how to install that for a really long time.... :) |
| 06:07:56 | scorche | install what? |
| 06:08:26 | scorche | BoBisChriS: plugins arent downloadable (well, not like you currently imagine it)...all plugins are included with rockbox |
| 06:08:51 | BoBisChriS | plugins are not being developed by users? |
| 06:08:57 | hcs | scorche: he wants a pictureflow patch |
| 06:09:09 | BoBisChriS | lol... i want that too! |
| 06:09:35 | scorche | BoBisChriS: they are, but when they are complete and done correctly, they are then committed to SVN |
| 06:10:02 | BoBisChriS | what is SVN? |
| 06:10:28 | scorche | a version control system |
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| 06:13:15 | webguest26 | i have rockbox instaled |
| 06:13:31 | webguest26 | I have rockbox installed |
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| 06:14:03 | webguest26 | and how do I go back to my iPod |
| 06:15:26 | safetydan | webguest89: you need to make your own build to be able to use patches |
| 06:15:31 | BigBambi | webguest26: You check the manual |
| 06:15:43 | BigBambi | It nicely desribes the dual-boot feature |
| 06:15:46 | webguest89 | how do youy guys know how i can use the plugin for the picture flow on my ipod? |
| 06:16:07 | webguest89 | it already comes with the new rockbox right? |
| 06:16:23 | scorche | yes...as has been said |
| 06:16:39 | BigBambi | webguest89: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginPictureFlow |
| 06:17:13 | BoBisChriS | is there a way to play avi? |
| 06:17:15 | webguest89 | i just checked that but i still dont know hot to use it? |
| 06:17:29 | BigBambi | BoBisChriS: By converting it to MPEG |
| 06:17:43 | scorche | BoBisChriS: avi isnt a video format...it is just a container |
| 06:17:49 | BigBambi | webguest89: What particularly is the problem? We aren't psychic |
| 06:18:45 | webguest89 | i dont't know how to look at the album art like that. do i go to plugins the picture flow or something? |
| 06:18:58 | BoBisChriS | can i convert it into mpeg inside of rockbox? |
| 06:19:30 | scorche | BoBisChriS: no...that would take a loooong time to encode a video on a DAP |
| 06:19:32 | BigBambi | BoBisChriS: No, that is fat too processor intensive |
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| 06:19:55 | BigBambi | webguest89: Yes, it helps to run a plugin if you start it |
| 06:20:20 | BigBambi | BoBisChriS - think how long it takes to convert on your nice fast PC. Then imaging it on a DAP |
| 06:20:59 | webguest89 | oh ok thank you! thank for the info bye! :) |
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| 06:36:20 | BoBisChriS | what should i use to convert avi to mpeg? |
| 06:36:42 | scorche | there are many suggestions in the wiki |
| 06:37:09 | BoBisChriS | and your favorite? |
| 06:37:31 | scorche | i dont have one, as i dont watch movies on my DAP |
| 06:37:32 | Mouser_X | PluginMpegplayer |
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| 06:37:44 | Mouser_X | ^ Check that. |
| 06:37:59 | BigBambi | BoBisChriS: WinFF is a nice FFMPEG frontend on windows |
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| 06:49:30 | BoBisChriS | whats up with the rockbox utility? |
| 06:50:20 | BoBisChriS | its not working properly |
| 06:50:55 | scorche | it helps to specify... |
| 06:51:03 | BoBisChriS | well everything |
| 06:51:19 | scorche | that isnt specifying |
| 06:51:25 | BoBisChriS | i tried to use it to do my initial install.. it didnt work at all |
| 06:51:47 | scorche | keep specifying.. (what did it do, etc) |
| 06:53:41 | BoBisChriS | well... right now, im trying to install the base files for doom; it shows the progress window, and says : downloading file rockdoom.zip 0% |
| 06:53:49 | BoBisChriS | and stays there |
| 06:59:03 | BoBisChriS | how do i get the latest svn? |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:00 | scorche | that is said in the manual |
| 07:02:33 | BoBisChriS | i do not understand how it says it in the manual |
| 07:02:45 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 07:04:44 | DogBoy | maybe read this instead BoBisChriS catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 07:08:28 | BoBisChriS | thanks douch bag, its not my fault that the people, here, in the HELP chat only help by telling you to read the manual...... |
| 07:08:39 | | Part BoBisChriS |
| 07:08:48 | JoshW | harsh |
| 07:09:12 | scorche | i certainly would like to know how we can make "You |
| 07:09:12 | scorche | can download the current build from http://build.rockbox.org/. |
| 07:09:13 | eigma | hahaha |
| 07:09:19 | scorche | easier to understand |
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| 07:09:45 | eigma | some people just don't want to be helped |
| 07:10:11 | DogBoy | he misspelled douch bag too |
| 07:10:22 | DogBoy | doh, so did I |
| 07:10:26 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 07:10:29 | eigma | haha |
| 07:10:38 | hcs | prendre une douche |
| 07:10:47 | hcs | *un? |
| 07:10:55 | eigma | une |
| 07:11:07 | hcs | arigato |
| 07:11:20 | eigma | mr. roboto? |
| 07:11:29 | JdGordon | :) |
| 07:11:33 | * | JdGordon was thinikign the same |
| 07:18:34 | BigBambi | Who is taking a shower? |
| 07:19:07 | hcs | Nemo |
| 07:19:17 | BigBambi | Aha, makes sense :) |
| 07:22:09 | * | scorche is lost |
| 07:23:22 | * | BigBambi hands over a map |
| 07:23:30 | BigBambi | <−−−− you are here |
| 07:23:43 | BigBambi | But I am over there −−−−> |
| 07:23:53 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 07:24:13 | * | Mouser_X is *WAY* over there −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−-> |
| 07:24:24 | Mouser_X | (to the 10th power) |
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| 07:27:45 | jharu | just like to thank the rockbox team for helping me! kugel build rocks my sansa to the core!!! |
| 07:28:05 | Mouser_X | Rockbox rocks my box any day. |
| 07:28:09 | JoshW | dual core |
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| 07:32:29 | jharu | could use some adjustments though (i dont play doom) |
| 07:32:52 | Mouser_X | Neither do I. What's your point? |
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| 07:35:42 | jharu | nothin, just sayin what i think... |
| 07:36:40 | Mouser_X | Well, I mean is, what needs adjusting? |
| 07:36:55 | Mouser_X | *what I mean |
| 07:38:08 | jharu | the demo for the picture flow. hope it will support autoadjustments and jpeg files |
| 07:38:30 | jharu | also it kinda lag at some point... |
| 07:38:46 | BigBambi | It is hardly the most important function |
| 07:39:04 | BigBambi | But if someone works on it, it will improve |
| 07:39:44 | jharu | but still one of the most efficient if developed (the picflow) |
| 07:40:37 | BigBambi | I disagree |
| 07:40:48 | BigBambi | It would take ages for me to scroll through all those albums |
| 07:40:54 | BigBambi | But then I dislike the database |
| 07:41:03 | * | Mouser_X doesn't use the database. |
| 07:41:11 | BigBambi | It is fine as an alternative, but no way would I use it |
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| 07:41:19 | Mouser_X | It's a nightmare-ish mess, on my player. |
| 07:41:21 | BigBambi | Filetree all the way for me |
| 07:41:30 | JoshW | indeed |
| 07:41:35 | Mouser_X | SID files don't like the database much. |
| 07:41:38 | BigBambi | I like pictureflow as a coll bit of flashiness for a couple of minutes |
| 07:41:51 | BigBambi | But give me a filetree to actually efficiently select music anyday |
| 07:42:03 | Mouser_X | ^ This is why I use Rockbox. |
| 07:42:19 | BigBambi | Not the sole reason for me, but important |
| 07:42:35 | BigBambi | I won't use a player that requires me to use special software to transfer, or a database etc |
| 07:42:49 | BigBambi | One of the main reasons I bought a H140 back in the day |
| 07:44:27 | jharu | why not put a search query on the pic flow? that'll make it. |
| 07:44:29 | evt | same here |
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| 07:44:53 | JamPS | Not worth having a DRM-player |
| 07:45:16 | JamPS | This rockbox system rocks my pants |
| 07:45:46 | jharu | like put the name of album artist and it will search all albums by that artist. |
| 07:45:47 | BigBambi | I'm not against it if people want to use it, but it will never for me be as easy as just a plain filetree (or even normal database) |
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| 07:46:06 | scorche | jharu: feel free to submit a patch :) |
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| 07:47:07 | jharu | if i knew how, i would. just dloaded vmware and debian. still figurin everythin out... |
| 07:47:15 | BigBambi | I essentially have a mix or album and artist in my file tree - normally it is /music/artist/album etc. but I might also have /music/album if it is various or /music/composer or /music/performer. I know I could do that with database with creative use of tags, but filetree is so much easier (for me) |
| 07:48:11 | Mouser_X | All my stuff is from video games. Thus, organizing by artist is impractical, since many games are composed by multiple artists. |
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| 07:48:36 | Mouser_X | And, because they're video game formats, the database usually handles the files very poorly. |
| 07:49:30 | BigBambi | There is that too. |
| 07:49:33 | jharu | bigbambi: just shows you are not organized, lol (one of the first things you learn as a database management student. yay to oracle sql!!!) |
| 07:50:28 | jharu | thats why a search query is essential... so it can search through the various files easy... |
| 07:50:31 | BigBambi | I can see the advantage of the database if you want to say have a playlist of all music from 1992, or all in a certain genre etc., but just for playing albums like me, filetree all the way. Above all I like flexability and not being forced to do it one way because someone else decided it was better |
| 07:51:00 | BigBambi | jharu. But I am organised, I have my filetree organised exactly how I want it |
| 07:51:35 | BigBambi | The point is, I don't want to have to use a search query - I just have an alphabetical list where everything is where I want it |
| 07:51:56 | jharu | organised but not standardized. ;] |
| 07:51:58 | * | amiconn agrees with BigBambi |
| 07:52:10 | amiconn | Filetree all the way - much easier to find things this way |
| 07:52:16 | BigBambi | standardized in what way? |
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| 07:52:37 | JamPS | database is not so useful when you have no keyboard |
| 07:52:37 | jharu | well anyways its just a suggestion so i wont push it anymore ;) |
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| 07:53:17 | BigBambi | jharu - I'm all for it if people want it, I'm just saying I won't use it and I would strongly object to any effort to make it default |
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| 07:53:29 | BigBambi | But as an option, sure, why not |
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| 07:54:37 | jharu | Jamps. use the scrollwheel (sansa user, sorry...) |
| 07:54:42 | BigBambi | Each to their own - I find filetree easier - you prefer database - welcome to the wonderful world of rockbox! |
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| 07:54:47 | JamPS | jharu, yea but still |
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| 07:55:00 | JamPS | filetree is so much faster |
| 07:55:42 | JoshW | if it had symbolic links then it would be perfect |
| 07:55:44 | Mouser_X | As I said, the filetree browsing is one of the biggest reasons I use Rockbox. |
| 07:55:48 | BigBambi | That is the beauty of rockbox, I can use filetree and others can use database, as one or other of us hasn't made the ecision for the other based on our own preferences |
| 07:56:00 | BigBambi | *decision |
| 07:56:22 | jharu | symbolic links? |
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| 07:56:55 | JoshW | yeah, make it work like a database |
| 07:56:59 | BigBambi | JoshW: Did I have the discussion with symbolic links with you in the forum? Where I said you can't do that with FAT32 and suggested using one track m3u files? Did you try that? Does it work? |
| 07:57:05 | JoshW | no |
| 07:57:23 | BigBambi | jharu: A sylink is a link in one directory that points at a file in another |
| 07:57:23 | JoshW | as in, it wasnt me |
| 07:57:33 | jharu | whahhhh vm crashed. nuooooo!!!! |
| 07:57:40 | BigBambi | JoshW: Ah OK - well there is your answer right above :) |
| 07:58:13 | amiconn | You *can* have some kind of symbolic links on fat32 - it takes a bit of re though |
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| 07:59:36 | BigBambi | amiconn: I stand corrected - do they work as we normally think of them, and is it hard? |
| 07:59:49 | BigBambi | I thought it was out of spec (but I haven't actually read the specs :)) |
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| 08:00:23 | JamPS | This new(?) automatic bookmarking feature rocks! |
| 08:00:35 | amiconn | Not entirely. Windows uses those .lnk files, which would need a bit of re to use them properly (i.e. compatible with windows) |
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| 08:01:05 | BigBambi | So is it more of a windows feature than a FAT32 thing? |
| 08:01:17 | amiconn | Basically they are plain files on fat32, the extension ".lnk" is just hidden in windows |
| 08:01:29 | BigBambi | OK |
| 08:01:45 | BigBambi | So Windows deals with it, and to FAT32 they are just another file |
| 08:01:51 | amiconn | So they are not true symlinks, but behave very similar |
| 08:01:59 | BigBambi | OK, cheers |
| 08:02:17 | BigBambi | Seems to me if someone wants a similar thing on rockbox for music files they could just use a m3u |
| 08:02:39 | amiconn | That would work for music, but not for e.g. photos |
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| 08:03:26 | BigBambi | Yep |
| 08:03:40 | BigBambi | It is a limited workaround though |
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| 08:09:49 | BigBambi | Llorean, you there |
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| 08:15:54 | BigBambi | Whoo, fixed it |
| 08:16:04 | BigBambi | I accidently modified someone's post with my answer |
| 08:16:21 | BigBambi | But then found the unmodified post in my browsers cache, so put it back |
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| 08:16:52 | BigBambi | Llorean: For the logs, if you wonder from your logs what all that odd modifying I did was, see above :) |
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| 09:12:36 | phr | hey petur |
| 09:12:44 | phr | is that you on tapers section? |
| 09:13:41 | petur | yup |
| 09:13:58 | phr | cool |
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| 09:53:16 | jharu | ok... im kinda confused when i do the svn thing. i went as far as "../tools/configure" but does it really have this much things placed in it? and seems i cant make zip files. |
| 09:53:54 | jharu | im using vmware btw |
| 09:55:08 | GodEater_ | jharu: you'll have to be a bit more specific with your question. What's the problem ? |
| 09:56:59 | jharu | as i said i typed ../tools/configure and a ton of c and h files greeted me. its still showing on my screen waiting for it to finish. i also cant do make zip command. |
| 09:58:00 | petur | and where were you when you typed that? |
| 09:59:03 | jharu | cd build_e200 |
| 09:59:33 | petur | and it presented you with a table of targets to choose from? |
| 09:59:40 | jharu | is this what you asked? |
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| 10:00:15 | jharu | in target you mean this endless c and h files yes. |
| 10:00:56 | jharu | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 10:01:00 | jharu | cd rockbox |
| 10:01:00 | jharu | mkdir build_h120 |
| 10:01:00 | jharu | cd build_h120 |
| 10:01:00 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jharu |
| 10:01:00 | jharu | ../tools/configure |
| 10:01:01 | petur | no, it should print out a list of players with numbers in front and ask which one you need |
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| 10:02:10 | jharu | i typed all this written on the wiki typing instead e200 for the h one |
| 10:02:38 | markun | after configure did you type 'make' ? |
| 10:02:52 | LinusN | you mean you typed "mkdir build_e200" ? |
| 10:03:29 | jharu | no. it started sending the .c and the .h files before i typed the make |
| 10:03:56 | jharu | linusn, yes followed it like a book... |
| 10:04:23 | petur | jharu: maybe you should copy the output to pastebin to show us |
| 10:05:00 | jharu | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 10:05:04 | jharu | cd rockbox |
| 10:05:04 | jharu | mkdir build_h120 |
| 10:05:04 | jharu | cd build_h120 |
| 10:05:04 | jharu | ../tools/configure |
| 10:05:14 | jharu | sorry. lol wrong post |
| 10:05:25 | petur | don't paste in here |
| 10:05:53 | petur | use something like http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 10:07:21 | jharu | cant copy it. but it goes like rockbox/apps/gui/yesno.c and so on and so forth.... hey it ended at last.... |
| 10:09:10 | jharu | i'll just retry it maybe i made a mistake... |
| 10:14:15 | jharu | seems i did make it to the make part. but is it really this big? |
| 10:17:04 | markun | jharu: what does your last "it" refer to? |
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| 10:17:10 | GodEater_ | it's pretty big yes |
| 10:17:25 | GodEater_ | ~1870 source files by my count |
| 10:21:18 | jharu | seems like a lot of headwork for my custom gui... once i make this in zip will it compile using borlan c? or i still have to use vmware? |
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| 10:22:19 | Bonusbartus | Hi |
| 10:22:40 | Bonusbartus | anyone here who can help me with my iriver h340? |
| 10:23:19 | GodEater_ | jharu: what are you talking about ? Once you've done "make" it doesn't need any more compiling... |
| 10:24:37 | scorche | Bonusbartus: in order to do that, you must first say your problem ;) |
| 10:24:56 | jharu | sorry. im new to vm so i dont know heads or tails. |
| 10:25:09 | Bonusbartus | hehe big problem |
| 10:25:27 | Bonusbartus | I am thinking about RMAÃng my player |
| 10:25:36 | jharu | bunusbartus, say it they may fix it. |
| 10:25:59 | Bonusbartus | problem: battery empty very fast, in latest versions the hdd just keeps spinning, and the music keeps stuttering |
| 10:26:14 | GodEater_ | jharu: at no point will you able to compile any part of rockbox (except possibily the sim, and even then I doubt it) with Borland. |
| 10:26:27 | Bonusbartus | I first thought it was a broken hdd, but in the iriver firmware I don't have the problem |
| 10:26:34 | Bonusbartus | so I am not sure now... |
| 10:27:03 | Bonusbartus | I'm now doing an error scan on my pc, but it doesnt give any errors |
| 10:27:12 | Bonusbartus | till now :) |
| 10:27:51 | petur | Bonusbartus: maybe rename/remove the .rockbox tree and do a fresh install? |
| 10:28:18 | Bonusbartus | I did, at first I didn't have problems, but after a few hours it got even worse |
| 10:28:34 | Bonusbartus | at first only with a few songs, but now with everything |
| 10:28:41 | petur | strange |
| 10:29:04 | jharu | did you drop your unit by any chance? |
| 10:29:23 | Bonusbartus | nope |
| 10:29:26 | petur | well you can't rma it with rockbox installed and it's no use if the OF works fine of course |
| 10:29:48 | Bonusbartus | well, the battery is empty too soon in the of too |
| 10:30:11 | jharu | must be the batt then |
| 10:30:24 | petur | and you still have warranty on that? |
| 10:31:03 | Bonusbartus | well that doesnt explain the stuttering music and spinning hdd, It does that too when connected to my car adapter or any other power source |
| 10:31:13 | Bonusbartus | yep till march 9 2008 |
| 10:31:31 | Bonusbartus | must be about the last 340 they sold :P |
| 10:31:59 | petur | well if you can make it go wrong with the OF then I'd rma it (flash normal firmware first and remove all traces of rockbox) |
| 10:32:19 | petur | otoh, could be they return you another model! |
| 10:32:52 | Bonusbartus | I know, but they will ask u nicely first, I could always ask to send back my damaged player and repair it myself |
| 10:33:00 | Bonusbartus | new hdd and battery on ebay |
| 10:34:08 | Bonusbartus | but in the past 3 months, did anything change to the iriver port that could explain my problem? |
| 10:34:23 | petur | it is working fine on mine... |
| 10:34:43 | jharu | ?? but hdd spins right? it uses a spindle? and is known to make skipping (just like in my pc.) amd maybe if power from battery is powerful enough it can damage the hdd by power surge. |
| 10:35:27 | petur | jharu, do you even know what a spindle is? |
| 10:36:17 | pixelma | Bonusbartus: what Rockbox revision are you running exactly? |
| 10:36:18 | jharu | i mean needle. |
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| 10:37:52 | Bonusbartus | uhm now one from misticriver, the build from dimension sibi, before that I tried darkies build, which had some problems from the start and before that I used the latest norbusans build |
| 10:38:20 | #>> | "explain custom" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) |
| 10:38:36 | Bonusbartus | I know I know |
| 10:38:41 | petur | try an official build first please |
| 10:39:10 | jharu | whoa?! logbot command! |
| 10:39:11 | Bonusbartus | I will, after hdTune is done doing an error scan of the hdd |
| 10:40:02 | Bonusbartus | but the build I use isn't realy a "heavily patched" build |
| 10:40:54 | Bonusbartus | http://www.misticriver.net/forums/rockbox-h10-series/56236-h10-5-6gb-custom-build.html#post579180 |
| 10:40:56 | pixelma | Bonusbartus: I don't know how old that is or which svn revision that is build on (and don't want to know) but it could be that it is made of an svn revision after MoB was committed but before a lot of related bug fixes that came later... |
| 10:41:30 | Bonusbartus | what is MoB? |
| 10:41:52 | GodEater_ | Metadata On Buffer |
| 10:41:55 | pixelma | petur: your turn ;) |
| 10:42:14 | #>> | "explain MoB" by pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) |
| 10:42:57 | Bonusbartus | well the build is from december 8 |
| 10:43:07 | petur | lol |
| 10:43:50 | advcomp2019 | Bonusbartus, how are you using a h10 build on a h340 |
| 10:44:04 | petur | still... try the official build and then we'll tell you we still don't know... |
| 10:44:28 | Bonusbartus | thats not the build, it's a multi patch, dimension sibi used it on the h340 build |
| 10:44:38 | Bonusbartus | I will :) |
| 10:45:03 | Bonusbartus | hdtune is at 60%, 10MB/sec |
| 10:50:12 | jharu | im getting a working copy 'rockbox ' locked message |
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| 10:53:46 | petur | LinusN: did you see this Samsung drive? HS122JC is a 120GB PATA 1.8" :) |
| 10:54:06 | petur | ATA7 |
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| 10:55:08 | Zagor | nice, someone still makes pata drives |
| 10:55:38 | amiconn | petur: what connector? |
| 10:55:47 | jharu | whats pata? i know sata but not pata |
| 10:55:54 | GodEater_ | parallel ATA |
| 10:56:02 | GodEater_ | i.e. the old one before SATA came along |
| 10:56:04 | bjorn` | "ide" |
| 10:56:04 | petur | amiconn: that is the question |
| 10:56:30 | Zagor | it's listed as "50 Pins?" in our wiki |
| 10:56:39 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 10:56:57 | pondlife | Hmm, that's confusing me |
| 10:57:12 | petur | yeah, added yesterday probably, he was going to ask an ebayer about it |
| 10:57:35 | pondlife | So the new Toshiba drive has the right pinout for an H300? |
| 10:57:51 | petur | maybe |
| 10:57:59 | pondlife | haha, good answer |
| 10:58:08 | pixelma | Samsung... Toshiba...? |
| 10:58:12 | pondlife | Us H380 users need some more cash |
| 10:58:15 | pondlife | Toshiba, sorry |
| 10:58:34 | pondlife | I'm at cross-purposes |
| 10:58:35 | petur | on the samsung site, these are marked PATA and the others ZIF/PATA so there is hope |
| 10:58:46 | pixelma | well, petur was talking about a Samsung one |
| 10:58:55 | pondlife | Yep, I see now. |
| 10:59:04 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:59:04 | * | petur wonders if that would make an h420 :) |
| 10:59:36 | amiconn | petur: Btw, could you check the disk type in your H10 pure and fill in HardDriveReplacement? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:07 | petur | isn't the pure one with radio? |
| 11:00:24 | pondlife | I was hinking of http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14424.msg108057;topicseen#msg108057 |
| 11:00:29 | pondlife | thinking, even |
| 11:01:44 | jharu | darn this is my third attemp to crack vm. it says build already exist... |
| 11:02:08 | pixelma | yaaays... plugin button actions strike once again and their weird (too simple) usage in some (most, all?) plugins that implement them... :( |
| 11:02:34 | markun | jharu: are you stuck at 'configure' or 'make' or 'make zip'? |
| 11:03:32 | jharu | as far as cd rockbox. when i type mkdir it says there is already a build |
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| 11:04:04 | JoshW | type 'cd build' |
| 11:04:38 | petur | jhara: you really don't know what you're typing... mkdir = make directory |
| 11:05:23 | jharu | i know but thats what vm is telling me. and its haru not hara |
| 11:06:05 | Bagder | jharu: so either use the dir again or remove it and recreate it |
| 11:06:53 | jharu | i did. erased and reextract the debian |
| 11:07:17 | Bagder | so it probably contains the build dir already |
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| 11:07:56 | Bagder | I spoke of the build dir only |
| 11:08:00 | Bagder | not the entire installation |
| 11:08:08 | amiconn | petur: The pure is the one without radio |
| 11:08:32 | petur | ok, I probably need to open it up? |
| 11:09:09 | * | GodEater_ likes the new Web 2.0 BBC home page |
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| 11:09:37 | petur | amiconn: nevermind, debug menu works |
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| 11:11:10 | Bonusbartus | well then, HDTune didn't find any bad sectors, Newest rockbox build is installed, so off I go, testing my h340 with non-custom rockbox buil |
| 11:11:39 | Bonusbartus | I'll report my findings later |
| 11:11:45 | jharu | is it supposed to open up something when i type cd build_e200? i never made it to mkdir... |
| 11:12:06 | jharu | it started like this again... |
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| 11:16:44 | Bagder | jharu: open up? |
| 11:16:50 | Bagder | you're using a command line shell |
| 11:16:57 | Bagder | you change current directory with cd |
| 11:17:04 | JoshW | open up a directory? |
| 11:17:14 | Bagder | imo, you should rather read up on how to use a shell before you try this further |
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| 11:18:01 | jharu | im still waiting vm to finish what its doing. its currently in rockbox/apps/plugins |
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| 11:18:15 | Bagder | you mean it's compiling? |
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| 11:18:32 | jharu | i think so |
| 11:18:36 | Bagder | "vm" does nothing but to run the host os |
| 11:18:43 | Bagder | it is gcc that compiles |
| 11:19:07 | Bagder | ah guest os being the term vmware use |
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| 11:20:25 | jharu | the rockbox one is "compiling" waiting to show the "user$debian" |
| 11:20:43 | Bagder | the rockbox one? |
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| 11:24:10 | jharu | i extracted the debian.7z and clicked the rockbox.vmx(?) vm showed the logo. i went x-shells/eterm then svn co svn://... till cd rockbox. was still typing the mkdir when the .c and .h files started rampaging the screen. |
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| 11:27:01 | Llorean | Sounds like it's still performing the svn checkout |
| 11:29:01 | jharu | well ill just wait till it finishes... |
| 11:29:31 | markun | that's always a good idea |
| 11:29:43 | markun | I think you are just a bit impatient |
| 11:31:50 | jharu | the guide never said anything like this. just that its easy to compile. and never said if you type cd rockbox wait for this and that... |
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| 11:32:24 | Bagder | jharu: thousands of people still managed to do this... |
| 11:32:32 | markun | jharu: after you are done you can try to improve the guide |
| 11:32:39 | Llorean | jharu: It's the "svn co svn://" bit that's still running |
| 11:33:02 | Bagder | and you'll need to wait for all commands to finish before you can continue to the next step |
| 11:33:42 | Bagder | I guess there could be a mention that the svn command might take a while |
| 11:34:50 | * | GodEater_ just checked out Linus' kernel git tree - took nearly an hour. |
| 11:34:57 | Bagder | hehe |
| 11:35:05 | Bagder | well that's slightly bigger than rockbox too |
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| 11:35:55 | GodEater_ | somewhat ;) |
| 11:36:34 | Bagder | a full svn co rockbox is a little over 100MB |
| 11:37:52 | GodEater_ | we're catching up then |
| 11:38:02 | GodEater_ | Linus's tree is around 500MB - so we're at 20% of Linux ;) |
| 11:39:21 | Bagder | or 5x as good? ;-) |
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| 11:39:54 | Bagder | linux (2.6.20) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 5,195,245 |
| 11:40:03 | GodEater_ | Rockbox, now with 5x less bloat than Linux(tm) |
| 11:40:09 | Bagder | rockbox (svn) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 494,670 |
| 11:40:17 | Bagder | that's a factor >10x |
| 11:40:46 | Bagder | and I bet 2.6.20 is smaller than the current ;-) |
| 11:40:47 | GodEater_ | curious - I wonder why the directory is so much smaller than that would suggest |
| 11:41:06 | GodEater_ | very short lines of source code ? ;) |
| 11:41:46 | pixelma | difference between svn and git? |
| 11:41:58 | Bagder | this kernel tree is 280MB |
| 11:42:04 | Bagder | vs rockbox's ~100 |
| 11:42:33 | pixelma | that 100MB is with all the .svn doubles though, or? |
| 11:42:54 | Bagder | no, my ~src/rockbox is actually 222 MB including everything |
| 11:43:10 | pixelma | ah, ok |
| 11:43:17 | Bagder | which I figure should be twice the data amount |
| 11:43:39 | Bagder | and I erased my build dirs before I check |
| 11:44:41 | Bagder | something is strange here |
| 11:44:55 | Bagder | 100*MB/494670 makes 211 bytes per LOC |
| 11:45:25 | JoshW | that doesnt sound right |
| 11:45:48 | JoshW | is fonts included? |
| 11:45:55 | Bagder | aaah yes |
| 11:46:12 | Bagder | the fonts are 30MB alone |
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| 11:46:39 | Bagder | and a bunch more are bitmaps |
| 11:47:13 | Bagder | haha... and manual |
| 11:47:23 | Bagder | at 10MB |
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| 11:50:41 | daurnimator | Bagder: sounds? |
| 11:50:52 | | Part yoavk |
| 11:51:37 | Bagder | no, we have no sounds in svn |
| 11:51:41 | Bagder | but we have WPSes... |
| 11:52:03 | Bagder | so actually the larger part of the 100MB are not source |
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| 11:53:44 | jharu | this thing is so sloooowwwww...... |
| 11:54:52 | Bagder | well, the svn server is not slow |
| 11:55:01 | Llorean | jharu: If it's the check out, it's dependent on your internet connection speed |
| 11:56:30 | jharu | maybe coz im in a wireless network... |
| 11:57:56 | Bagder | I'm always on wireless, and I can't say I have slow access |
| 11:59:10 | jharu | then i dont know why. maybe because my mate here uses the latest 17" macbook and im using a crummy old desktop |
| 11:59:43 | Bagder | it's probably because you have a crummy connection from whereever you are to the svn server in Sweden |
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| 12:01:09 | jharu | argh that means i cant do this offline? or just until i comleted the compiling? and fyi my net speed is 4 mbps |
| 12:01:26 | Bagder | you can only get stuff from the svn server when online, yes |
| 12:02:01 | * | petur wonders what jharu is going to do with the code |
| 12:03:32 | markun | jharu: but you don't need an internet connection for the actual compiling ('make') |
| 12:04:03 | jharu | petur, well im gonna learn it and do some refresh course on this. maybee make a patch or two ;D |
| 12:05:50 | jharu | markun, so it is downloadin... i taugth it was extractin that 217 mb debian thing... |
| 12:06:23 | daurnimator | hey markun |
| 12:07:37 | pixelma | Llorean: is it true that you got the html manual building under cygwin for you (i.e. successfully installed tex4ht there)? (someone mentioned that yesterday who thought he had heard it) |
| 12:08:03 | Llorean | pixelma: A *long* time ago, I remember doing so. |
| 12:08:33 | Llorean | Back then all I needed were the two tetex packages, tex4ht and some package for UCS support. |
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| 12:09:54 | pixelma | I would be interested. When I tried I failed to figure out how to install the tex4ht package manually (mainly the changes to the paths that are mentioned there). |
| 12:10:02 | GodEater_ | time result for a complete virgin svn co under less than ideal conditions for me is 5m45.606s |
| 12:10:31 | pixelma | Llorean: maybe something else but can't tell you more because I didn't get far |
| 12:10:35 | markun | hi daurnimator |
| 12:10:46 | GodEater_ | via my VPN over 8Mb/s and a variety of encrypting / decrypting of stuff :) |
| 12:11:02 | Llorean | pixelma: I really don't remember what I did. It must've been nearly a year ago, I think. |
| 12:11:46 | pixelma | in case you ever try again... |
| 12:12:30 | jharu | well good for you godeater... hope i finish this before going home. |
| 12:12:32 | Llorean | If I ever do I'll let you know |
| 12:12:52 | Llorean | Since I'm on Linux now, it's probably not too likely that I'll be wrestling with Cygwin though. :) |
| 12:13:29 | Flemmard | i'll try time svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 12:13:29 | Flemmard | :p |
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| 12:13:50 | pixelma | Llorean: keeping your secret knowledge? Nooo... ;( |
| 12:13:50 | Flemmard | 8.184u 7.488s 0:39.71 39.4% 0+0k 0+0io 29pf+0w |
| 12:14:09 | Flemmard | 233M rockbox/ |
| 12:14:31 | jharu | darn im stuck at rockbox/fonts/courb08.bdf.... |
| 12:14:39 | Flemmard | not to slow :) |
| 12:14:57 | Llorean | pixelma: Considering it was a long time ago, it's also possible I'm remembering getting it working with VMWare and merely thinking it was Cygwin... I just *think* I got it working back then. |
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| 12:16:44 | jharu | anyway i can do this while offline? (after the compiling) |
| 12:16:54 | Llorean | jharu: You aren't compiling |
| 12:17:02 | Llorean | You're downloading the source code |
| 12:17:09 | Llorean | You can do the compiling part offline. |
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| 12:17:58 | pixelma | Llorean: ok, thanks anyway. (just hoped you knew more, btw. IIRC pondlife also tried and failed). |
| 12:18:11 | yoavk | How do I compile a plugin written in C using cygwin? |
| 12:18:43 | Llorean | pixelma: Well, it's entirely possible I didn't succeed and have confused memories. Sorry I can't help more with this one |
| 12:18:46 | petur | yoavk: add it to the SOURCES file and do a normal make |
| 12:19:46 | yoavk | how do I do that? (sorry for ignorance, its my first try) |
| 12:19:56 | jharu | still lagging... zzzzzz..... |
| 12:20:23 | petur | yoavk: can you compile rockbox yourself already? |
| 12:20:34 | yoavk | I didn't try |
| 12:21:00 | petur | do that first then... |
| 12:21:10 | yoavk | OK thanks |
| 12:21:25 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 12:45:23 | yoavk | My user name has a space in it. how can I run cygwin correctly? |
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| 12:46:33 | Bagder | yoavk: I'd suggest by placing the rockbox files in a dir that doesn't have a space in the name |
| 12:47:04 | yoavk | Badger: My problem is that cygwin creates my home dir with a space |
| 12:47:59 | Bagder | then don't put the rockbox files in there |
| 12:48:25 | yoavk | but how can I build it if its not there? |
| 12:48:37 | LinusN | you can place the rockbox files anywhere |
| 12:49:04 | jharu | alright now time to simulate!!! |
| 12:49:38 | LinusN | yoavk: for example, you can reach the C: drive with /cygdrive/c in cygwin |
| 12:50:02 | LinusN | so you can have C:\rockbox as your development directory |
| 12:50:13 | yoavk | OK thank you! |
| 12:50:13 | LinusN | i.e use /cygdrive/c/rockbox |
| 12:53:48 | jharu | after dl the source, can i copy it and set it up on my home desktop? it doesnt have net access so i cant use the svn co svn:// |
| 12:54:06 | markun | jharu: you only need to do the checkout 1 time |
| 12:54:41 | markun | after that you can update the rockbox source by typing "svn up" in your source tree |
| 12:55:42 | LinusN | jharu: you can copy it around as much as you want, but make sure that the path to it doesn't contain spaces |
| 12:56:43 | Llorean | LinusN: jharu is our vmware user, I think |
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| 12:57:05 | * | LinusN polishes his glasses |
| 12:57:18 | Llorean | jharu: You'll want net access so you can update to the newest version of the source, but as long as you're not concerned about that, you can copy the image to any computer you like and work on it there. |
| 12:57:19 | GodEater_ | I think I've found a playback bug on my gigabeat: If you use the folder skip feature (short click next, long click next), you get no sound from the first track in the new folder until you pause and then play again |
| 12:58:18 | GodEater_ | this is r15914 |
| 12:58:26 | GodEater_ | so not completely up to date |
| 12:58:48 | * | GodEater_ updates to latest version |
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| 13:01:01 | jharu | cant seem to find the simulator i created... |
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| 13:03:24 | markun | jharu: should be in the build directory. Just run ./rockboxui |
| 13:03:35 | Bagder | after you've done 'make install' ... |
| 13:03:56 | markun | jharu: which guide are you following? |
| 13:04:29 | jharu | vmwaredevt.platform twiki |
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| 13:05:30 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 13:05:38 | Bagder | seems much more suitable |
| 13:06:55 | jharu | k thanx |
| 13:07:06 | jharu | thanks, my bad lol |
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| 13:13:07 | GodEater_ | false alarm - new version doesn't do this with playback. |
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| 13:18:01 | pixelma | very weird, in a mini (2nd gen) sim I can find the "Wake-Up Alarm" Option but not the "Alarm Wake up Screen" option as on other targets (btw. "Wake-Up" <> "Wake up" is no typo from me here, must be in some inconsistency in english.lang |
| 13:18:06 | yoavk | How do I compile a plugin written in C using cygwin? |
| 13:18:26 | * | petur hears echoes |
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| 13:18:43 | * | GodEater_ does too |
| 13:19:17 | petur | yoavk: can you build rockbox already? |
| 13:19:22 | yoavk | yes |
| 13:19:50 | petur | good. now place the .c file in the plugins directory and add it to the SOURCES file |
| 13:20:34 | petur | it's all in apps/plugins/ |
| 13:20:54 | yoavk | where do I add it in the file? |
| 13:21:12 | pixelma | what plugin is this? |
| 13:21:37 | petur | yoavk: to test, right at the top |
| 13:21:49 | jharu | oi?! tried metronome and my unit vanished?! |
| 13:21:51 | yoavk | petur: thanx |
| 13:22:15 | yoavk | petur: do I need to recompile rockbox to test the plugin? |
| 13:22:20 | petur | jharu: black hole software? |
| 13:22:38 | petur | yoavk: yes, do a make and it should compile it too |
| 13:22:43 | jharu | no i meant the sim. |
| 13:22:55 | yoavk | petur: thank you |
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| 13:37:44 | jharu | i tried ti type make zip after i had my fun on the sim but cant find where it was placed... any ideas? vmware user... |
| 13:38:05 | jac0b-work | is there a bmp resize implented into rb now |
| 13:38:32 | Nico_P | jac0b-work: yes |
| 13:38:41 | GodEater_ | jharu: make zip doesn't do much for the simulator build, you'll need to reconfigure for your actual target |
| 13:38:46 | Nico_P | but it's not used for AA, only by pictureflow |
| 13:38:57 | jac0b-work | so the bmp resize is not needed anymore |
| 13:39:18 | jac0b-work | opp |
| 13:39:33 | jac0b-work | so you need bmp resize for AA |
| 13:39:51 | Nico_P | if you mean the bmp resize patch, then yes |
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| 13:42:15 | jharu | how to reconfigure? type make? |
| 13:42:16 | jac0b-work | when I apply that patch I get a make error |
| 13:42:27 | GodEater_ | jharu: no, ../tools/configure again |
| 13:42:42 | jharu | ohhh, forgot... |
| 13:43:53 | jharu | then what next... |
| 13:44:17 | jharu | set it to e200 btw |
| 13:46:16 | GodEater_ | once you've done the configure |
| 13:46:26 | GodEater_ | do "make clean", then "make", and finally "make zip" |
| 13:47:43 | jac0b-work | does anyone else get a make error with the bmp resize patch applied? |
| 13:48:17 | jharu | im still stuck at choosing advance basic etc. on e200 |
| 13:48:32 | GodEater_ | jharu: just choose basic |
| 13:48:40 | LinusN | (N)ormal |
| 13:49:01 | GodEater_ | yeah that :) |
| 13:49:03 | GodEater_ | hehe |
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| 13:50:34 | pixelma | as (n) is default, one could also just hit enter |
| 13:50:43 | jharu | this is gonna take a while to master... |
| 13:53:03 | jharu | btw what is this sid? |
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| 13:53:42 | GodEater_ | the version of debian |
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| 13:56:00 | jac0b-work | does anyone use the bmp resize patch? |
| 13:56:28 | LinusN | jac0b-work: i don't think any of the developers use it |
| 13:56:46 | LinusN | except for the developer of the patch that is |
| 13:56:52 | LinusN | whoever that is |
| 13:57:32 | jac0b-work | I was wanting to see if anyone was having a problem with the patch before commenting the FS page |
| 13:58:11 | Llorean | jac0b-work: It's probably just out of date. |
| 13:58:34 | jac0b-work | yeah I think it is |
| 13:58:47 | jac0b-work | I think pictureflow broke it |
| 13:59:37 | jharu | isnt it supposed to be in sync with picflow |
| 13:59:44 | jharu | ? |
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| 14:00:24 | LinusN | it is supposed to be in sync with the current svn, but it is up to the patch author to make sure it is |
| 14:00:49 | Llorean | Javem |
| 14:00:51 | Llorean | Gr |
| 14:01:09 | Llorean | Haven't we decided that patch isn't really acceptable, and should be implemented in a different way or something? |
| 14:02:11 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 14:02:39 | Llorean | I thought the general consensus was "we need a better looking resize, but more importantly, one that can resize in place on the buffer" or some such |
| 14:02:57 | Llorean | Resize in place on load, that is. |
| 14:03:47 | * | Llorean doesn't know anything about the existing implementation, just watched discussion among those who seemed to know more. |
| 14:04:08 | jharu | cant find the zip anywhere... |
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| 14:04:25 | Llorean | jharu: It's in the folder you ran "make zip" in |
| 14:05:46 | jharu | used the search but cant be found... |
| 14:06:00 | Llorean | What search? |
| 14:06:13 | jharu | windows search |
| 14:06:31 | GodEater_ | that wont find it in a vmware image |
| 14:06:43 | Llorean | jharu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#File_sharing |
| 14:08:36 | jac0b-work | there is a new resize patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8308 |
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| 14:12:43 | jharu | so how can i access samba? also i tried typing\\ but ehat comes out is the yen sign... |
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| 14:18:36 | jharu | where to type it... |
| 14:18:54 | GodEater_ | in the address bar in windows explorer |
| 14:19:02 | moos | yeah |
| 14:19:26 | moos | it will ask for password and then same pass that for debian |
| 14:20:22 | jharu | woah, is this some hidden file or something? found it btw |
| 14:20:43 | moos | that is with samba |
| 14:20:43 | GodEater_ | is *what* some hidden file ? |
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| 14:22:42 | yoavk | How do i configure a plugin as a app (so it will be in rocks\app folder) |
| 14:24:17 | jharu | the one im lookin foe earlier. |
| 14:24:44 | GodEater_ | I have no idea what file you were looking for earlier. I'm not psychic |
| 14:25:50 | Llorean | jharu: The VMware image is a whole virtual computer. It's one big file, basically. To get to the files "in" it, you have to have it share them, like over a network. |
| 14:26:48 | LinusN | yoavk: edit the file apps/plugins/CATEGORIES |
| 14:29:08 | yoavk | LinusN: Thankyou |
| 14:31:59 | jharu | woah, this is the first time i saw these headerfiles... any wiki to help me understand these? (i know all the ones using<> but not the ones using "" |
| 14:33:26 | GodEater_ | jharu: find an article on C |
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| 14:33:58 | GodEater_ | briefly, the ones in <> are in the system include path, the ones in "" are relative to the current file |
| 14:36:26 | jharu | checkin the web... this bring back memories of college. though i usually am better using c++ that any other language... |
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| 14:38:14 | GodEater_ | it's a common feature of C++ too. |
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| 14:41:13 | jharu | though we heavily rely on ones using <> than the other |
| 14:41:23 | jharu | as header files |
| 14:41:58 | jharu | also noticed the word *main* is missing |
| 14:43:40 | Llorean | jharu: Whether you rely on <> vs "" headers isn't really a C vs C++ thing. |
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| 14:47:00 | GodEater_ | jharu: where do you think it's missing from ? |
| 14:47:25 | MethoS- | how do I get kdevelop to work with the rockbox-svn? is there a howto or something similar? |
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| 14:47:47 | GodEater_ | MethoS-: I don't think so - I don't know of anyone else using it. |
| 14:48:00 | GodEater_ | although you can of course use it as a fine editor |
| 14:48:10 | MethoS- | so, what r u using? |
| 14:48:15 | GodEater_ | vim |
| 14:48:30 | MethoS- | hmm, i prefer kdevelop over vim :) |
| 14:48:41 | GodEater_ | I'd never have guessed; ) |
| 14:48:42 | Sammienator | GodEater: I placed screendumps on the rockbox forum |
| 14:48:51 | Sammienator | about pictureflow |
| 14:48:51 | GodEater_ | Sammienator: I saw - I'm not a pictureflow expert though |
| 14:48:59 | GodEater_ | so you'll have to wait for someone who is |
| 14:49:06 | Sammienator | Ok |
| 14:49:11 | GodEater_ | it will help though I'm sure ;) |
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| 14:51:05 | * | petur likes kdevelop too |
| 14:51:29 | GodEater_ | I thought you used windows though ? |
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| 14:51:59 | petur | I do rockbox on my laptop which runs ubuntu ;) |
| 14:52:45 | MethoS- | with kdevelop? oO |
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| 14:53:32 | petur | sure |
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| 14:54:28 | MethoS- | could you explain, how I can make the svn & kdevelop work, please |
| 14:55:17 | petur | I use kdevelop as editor only, I use kdesvn or whatever it is called for svn |
| 14:55:31 | MethoS- | mhm |
| 14:56:59 | petur | I use most programs and tools of KDE (even konversation), I just don't like teheir windowdressing so I use gnome :) |
| 14:57:05 | petur | -e |
| 14:57:55 | MethoS- | :9 |
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| 15:12:17 | MethoS-- | where are the keymappings for the mp3-players saved? is there an *.ini or are they hardcoded? |
| 15:12:50 | GodEater_ | hardcoded |
| 15:12:54 | MethoS-- | :/ |
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| 15:13:05 | GodEater_ | we do this to make support for us easier |
| 15:13:40 | MethoS-- | I just thought of making an keymapping editor for rbutil.. |
| 15:13:57 | GodEater_ | sorry - won't be possible |
| 15:14:07 | Llorean | There's also just so many different functions bound to keys in different screens that fully custom keymaps is hardly feasible anyway. |
| 15:14:33 | MethoS-- | ok |
| 15:17:05 | Nico_P | Llorean: about the resizing, I think the most imporant point was "a better looking one", then we could try to implement resize on load or in-place resizing, but both are harder then having a src and a dst buffer |
| 15:17:45 | Nico_P | harder *than*... I always make that typ damnit |
| 15:18:57 | Nico_P | LinusN: got an opinion about it? we now have a very nice looking bilinear resizing in the tracker |
| 15:19:04 | Llorean | Nico_P: Well there's a better looking one in the tracker, and I think it's even partially addressing the resize-on-load thing |
| 15:19:11 | Llorean | It says it doesn't need static buffers, at least |
| 15:19:31 | kugel | Nico_P: I've finished FS #8335 |
| 15:19:32 | LinusN | i think resizing would be nice to have |
| 15:19:46 | Llorean | I really think resizing is nearly mandatory for album art. |
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| 15:19:54 | Nico_P | Llorean: from what I understood, the static buffer was a kind of lookup table, but even in the latest version there is still need for src and dst |
| 15:20:01 | Llorean | At least, the expectation that a user should have more than one copy (one per WPS size) is somewhat silly |
| 15:20:23 | Nico_P | kugel: cool, I'll check it out |
| 15:20:47 | Llorean | Nico_P: Can, during buffering, a temp buffer be allocated at the "end" of the free buffer space, the image copied there to be "SRC" and then where it will finally be in the buffer be "Dest"? |
| 15:21:22 | Nico_P | yeah I had thought of somthing like that |
| 15:21:28 | Nico_P | it could work |
| 15:22:12 | Llorean | I mean, resize on load makes more sense (to me) than resize on display. But that' me. |
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| 15:22:45 | Llorean | Some people have rather ridiculously sized album art on disk, at least |
| 15:22:52 | Nico_P | Llorean: by resize on load I mean without the need of a temp buffer, like it's done in the current bmp resize patch |
| 15:23:10 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 15:23:14 | * | amiconn thinks resize-on-load is both easier to implement and resource friendlier |
| 15:23:48 | Nico_P | amiconn: even for bilinear resizing? |
| 15:24:26 | amiconn | sure |
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| 15:24:59 | Nico_P | amiconn: do such implementations exist already? |
| 15:25:51 | pixelma | Nico_P: your plugin button action implementation in pf is not nice. The "fix" for the c200 earlier now breaks new feature of the track list (you can't go up/down)... :/ |
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| 15:27:17 | Nico_P | pixelma: I think jott told me reversing the order back fixed this nex problem... have you tried that? |
| 15:27:29 | Nico_P | s/nex/new |
| 15:27:30 | pixelma | I know that a lot other plugins define such a combination of contexts but there are conflicts too |
| 15:27:47 | yoavk | How do I add button events to my plugin? |
| 15:27:54 | pixelma | Nico_P: it might fix the list but will break the menu again... |
| 15:28:21 | pixelma | I mean that you couldn't enter the menu on c200 |
| 15:28:21 | Nico_P | pixelma: then why is it my implementation that isn't nice? |
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| 15:30:40 | pixelma | I didn't mean that you are the first to do so, just a general remark |
| 15:31:44 | Nico_P | ok... I have to say I'm disappointed that it's buggy because the concept is nice... I should really take a look |
| 15:33:31 | pixelma | aside from my dislike of this system for plugins in general - this combining of contexts is really too simple. |
| 15:34:40 | Nico_P | why don't you like it? isn't the only other option to add a bunch of #defines? |
| 15:34:46 | pixelma | and/or the possible contexts has to be thought through |
| 15:36:34 | pixelma | Nico_P: I already started two discussion about it... (1) here, that ended up in upset people - and (2) in the dev mailing list which didn't really become a discussion |
| 15:37:07 | Nico_P | I'll read the mails then |
| 15:37:13 | pixelma | my first mail has some arguments |
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| 15:42:11 | pixelma | btw. the fact that you don't know about the conflicts (and different targets) shows that the system has its down sides IMO |
| 15:42:28 | Nico_P | pixelma: what I don't understand is that PF really uses the 4 directions, menu and quit... how problematic can that be? I think it indicates a flaw in the c200 action mapping more than in the system itself |
| 15:42:37 | pixelma | no |
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| 15:43:03 | Llorean | Does PF still mix contexts? |
| 15:43:08 | pixelma | the problem is that "down" = "menu" |
| 15:43:15 | pixelma | yes |
| 15:43:20 | Llorean | So that's the problem, right there. |
| 15:43:35 | Llorean | You're only guaranteed to avoid conflicts if you stay within one context, right? |
| 15:43:55 | pixelma | yeah, quite a few plugins do that uses PLA |
| 15:45:13 | yoavk | How do I add button events to my plugin? |
| 15:45:39 | Zagor | yoavk: rb->button_get() |
| 15:45:50 | pixelma | Llorean: I would think (and hope) that you could seperate the definitions but didn't care enough to try that in pf |
| 15:46:03 | yoavk | Zagor: What does that give me? |
| 15:46:05 | Nico_P | pixelma: ok looking at the c200 manual helped me understand... how is it in the regular menus? how do you go up and down? |
| 15:46:23 | pixelma | with up and down |
| 15:46:30 | Zagor | yoavk: the button code |
| 15:46:53 | Nico_P | pixelma: then where is the "submenu" button used? |
| 15:47:03 | yoavk | Zagor: Huh? |
| 15:47:14 | Nico_P | I mean where does it actually open a submenu instead of being simply "down"? |
| 15:47:52 | Llorean | WPS, I think? |
| 15:48:45 | Nico_P | pixelma: at the risk of repeating myself, this problem looks very c200-specific to me |
| 15:49:11 | Llorean | Nico_P: Misusing the action system isn't c200-specific, it's just most obvious when you have less keys. |
| 15:49:20 | Zagor | yoavk: sorry I have no respose för "Huh?". please rephrase your question. |
| 15:49:48 | pixelma | no, if you combine contexts you'll always risk conflicts in one of the keymaps, no matter what targets. |
| 15:50:27 | yoavk | Zagor: Then how do I add a button event (ie When the [play] button is pressed do func();) |
| 15:50:47 | Llorean | yoavk: Maybe you should look at some of the other plugins for examples. |
| 15:51:13 | pixelma | Nico_P: could have been another target too, and it wouldn't make me wonder if there are |
| 15:51:15 | Zagor | yoavk: while(1) { switch(rb->button_get(true)) { case BUTTON_PLAY: func(); break } } |
| 15:51:42 | Zagor | yoavk: you don't get asynchronous events. you poll. |
| 15:51:49 | yoavk | Zagor: Thank you! |
| 15:52:20 | yoavk | How do I get the location of the wheel (on an iPod)? |
| 15:52:30 | pixelma | Nico_P: maybe that scroll forward/backward problem on the e200s has the same origin |
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| 15:54:15 | kugel | btw: I'm trying to simplify the scroll buttons for e200 & ipods |
| 15:54:34 | kugel | meaning rename the buttons to CLOCK and COUNTER respectively |
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| 15:55:38 | Zagor | yoavk: you don't. you get BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD and _BACK events |
| 15:56:11 | pixelma | Nico_P: "down" as menu would work perfectly in pf when used outside the list, if the list would use something else you could move it up/down and "left" or "power" would take you back to the "normal" view |
| 15:56:33 | Llorean | Zagor: There's some method for getting the wheel position. Rockboy divides it into 8 regions for use as buttons, iirc. At least, I think that feature got included eventually. |
| 15:56:52 | Nico_P | I'm starting to thing the best option might be to go back to the #defines |
| 15:56:58 | Zagor | Llorean: oh, ok |
| 15:57:04 | yoavk | Zagor & Llorean: Thank you |
| 15:57:25 | kugel | Nico_P: Are you sure? I don't really like this (I know my opinion doesn't count) |
| 15:58:21 | Nico_P | kugel: I'm not sure of anything... the other possibility is to give the c200 special treatment |
| 15:59:20 | Nico_P | having to think about each target individually is really not going to make me happy though |
| 15:59:51 | kugel | Nico_P: Maybe a border should be drawn, those with enough keys can be treated generic, and those with too less keys must be treated specially |
| 15:59:53 | Llorean | Or you could make sure to make all your choices from within one context, right? |
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| 16:01:05 | Nico_P | maybe that's possible |
| 16:01:05 | pixelma | if there is one that would cover all (which I doubt) |
| 16:01:05 | * | kugel is wondering why iPods can zoom with the wheel in the jpeg viewer and e200s not |
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| 16:07:19 | kugel | I just get to know the problem of all this #defines |
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| 16:08:28 | kugel | I need to change BOTTON_SCROLL_UP to BUTTON_SCROLL_COUNTER for nearly every single plugin ;; |
| 16:10:21 | pixelma | Nico_P: I'm not sure if this works but couldn't you seperate the defines list into two: context_blah - #define pf_this, and context_blub - #define pf_that? |
| 16:11:43 | Nico_P | pixelma: I don't understand... the context are c vars, they have nothing to do with the preprocessor |
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| 16:16:39 | pixelma | sigh, it's so hard to explain for me. It should make sure that the define what should be used for BUTTON_DOWN for example is not taken from the wrong context (which is what the first "fix" achieved by revorting the order) |
| 16:16:54 | pixelma | *reverting |
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| 16:18:41 | Nico_P | hmm... maybe make pluginlib_getaction accept one specific context as arg? |
| 16:18:49 | Nico_P | pixelma: is that close to what you mean? |
| 16:23:07 | pixelma | I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing, sorry |
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| 16:24:53 | amiconn | Button actions for plugins are A Bad Thing, imo, and should be reverted |
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| 16:25:24 | kugel | the problem is |
| 16:25:48 | kugel | that c200 has two actions mapped to BUTTON_DOWN in PLA |
| 16:26:16 | kugel | what's the menu button of the c200 outside the plugins? |
| 16:26:24 | pixelma | yes, because of the combination of contexts |
| 16:27:06 | pixelma | and I bet that you'll find other cases of that - for other targets, in othe PLA plugins |
| 16:27:16 | kugel | action_std_menu is mapped to the power button |
| 16:27:23 | kugel | maybe this should be the same in PLA |
| 16:28:43 | kugel | as far is i can see, the rec button is unmapped in PLA |
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| 16:28:53 | kugel | maybe this can be used to quit a plugin |
| 16:29:14 | Nico_P | pixelma: if each call to pluginlib_getaction specifies one and only one context, there are no more possile conflicts |
| 16:29:46 | pixelma | and then you need "long power" for "off" again which isn't ideal either. In the pf main screen there would be _no_ problem to map it to "down" - just that it doesn't work in the new list view |
| 16:30:08 | pixelma | ^at kugel |
| 16:30:35 | kugel | having 2 actions on 1 button is a general problem imo, regardless if it works in all cases except this one |
| 16:30:49 | pixelma | Nico_P: that sounds very complicated |
| 16:31:01 | * | pixelma gives up :( |
| 16:31:23 | kugel | pixelma: what's bad about a long power for off? the e200 does have this |
| 16:32:13 | Llorean | kugel: There are many actions for each button. But only one action PER context. Which is the whole point of contexts, you're not supposed to mix them. |
| 16:32:40 | kugel | I don't mix it |
| 16:33:20 | pixelma | if you hold it too long, you can easily switch the player off completely. (And btw. I admit I used "long power" for some plugin too, but I'd like to avoid it) |
| 16:34:07 | kugel | as a user of e200, I'm very fine with long power. It's very usable imo |
| 16:34:38 | pixelma | kugel: pf mixes two (otherwise there wouldn't be two different mappings as you found out yourself)... |
| 16:36:52 | pixelma | and the most interesting (and annoying) thing is - the c200 is actually not short of buttons but some are just a bit awkward in certain circumstances |
| 16:39:29 | Llorean | kugel: There are three contexts defined in pluginlib_actions, and I don't see BUTTON_DOWN repeated for c200 in any of those contexts. Where exactly do you see it being used for more than one thing within the same context? |
| 16:40:09 | Llorean | It's used in two of the three contexts, so it IS used twice. In two _different_ contexts. |
| 16:41:24 | kugel | Oh, yea, my bad, sorry. |
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| 16:42:06 | kugel | but rec button is still unused |
| 16:42:25 | pixelma | I really think that button defines in the plugins are really easier in the end even though it's more to type - but you have more control, spot potential conflicts, don't have to care about what your change may do to other plugins. |
| 16:43:01 | Llorean | They also mean that you don't end up compromising, saying "Well, it's a little awkward, but it works with the current context" to get your controls to fit. |
| 16:43:07 | Llorean | Instead you customize them for each player nicely. |
| 16:43:14 | pixelma | the other way would be to have tons of contexts in the lib because there are so many plugins with very different control schemes |
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| 16:45:27 | pixelma | maybe you can have PLA for a few plugins very generic control schemes but that has to be thought through thoroughly |
| 16:45:45 | kugel | But if a button changes, or a new target with new buttons joins the familiy, you have to edit the buttons for every single plugin |
| 16:45:54 | pixelma | add a "with" wherever it fits |
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| 16:47:50 | Llorean | If a button changes, you DON'T have to edit every single plugin. |
| 16:48:09 | Llorean | They'd keep working as they did previously, actually an advantage. |
| 16:49:39 | kugel | I meant, if I renamed a button from BUTTON_SCROLL_UP to BUTTON_SCROLL_COUNTER, something like this |
| 16:50:17 | Llorean | So what, like 20 minute's work on the very rare occasion that a button define name changes? |
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| 16:51:07 | Llorean | I'd rather have a working system that takes a little extra work to maintain than a broken system that stays in use because it's easier to make changes to, even if it does cause problems. |
| 16:51:59 | kugel | true |
| 16:52:23 | Llorean | Though some plugins make use of the core actions well enough, actually |
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| 16:54:00 | pixelma | yes a few |
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| 16:57:08 | * | kugel 's noticing that so many plugins doesn't use the scroll wheel of the e200 for no reason =( |
| 16:57:14 | kugel | don't* |
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| 17:01:05 | yoavk | How do I print a string to the screen (for now, only for iPod video)? |
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| 17:02:36 | petur | how about looking at some other parts of the source to see how things are done? |
| 17:04:29 | yoavk | I tried but it just doesn't seem to work. (I tried rb->lcd_puts();) |
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| 17:09:21 | petur | yoavk: you need to refresh the lcd to make it appear |
| 17:10:19 | yoavk | petur: How do I do that? |
| 17:12:16 | yoavk | petur: Just to call rb->lcd_update(); ? |
| 17:12:26 | petur | yes |
| 17:13:17 | kugel | Nico_P: And did you look at it allreadyß |
| 17:13:19 | kugel | ? |
| 17:13:27 | Nico_P | kugel: no, sorry |
| 17:14:05 | petur | yoavk: don't forget to rb->lcd_clear_display(); if you repaint the screen |
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| 17:44:07 | Llorean | Alright, where do we stand on rejecting tasks now that surely must be rejected at some point in the future. |
| 17:44:36 | Llorean | For example, I know viewports isn't in yet, but there are several tasks that are going to be rejected when viewports happens. What is the benefit of not rejecting them now? |
| 17:45:17 | markun | Llorean: could they be accepted if viewports never happen? |
| 17:45:19 | Llorean | It seems to me, at least, that leaving them there is misleading to people who aren't aware of the direction things are supposed to go, as well as encouraging work on a whole host of WPSes and other things that will just require an awful lot of work to bring up to date one day. |
| 17:45:33 | Llorean | markun: Some could, I'm sure. |
| 17:45:58 | Llorean | But for that, we'd need to be able to say that one day we can say "viewports will never happen" |
| 17:46:21 | markun | or not be afraid to remove that code lateron when viewports do happen |
| 17:46:25 | Llorean | Basically, we need a final "Assume viewports will happen" or "Assume viewports will not happen and start accepting patches" I think, but leaving these in limbo is just problematic, in my mind |
| 17:46:35 | Soap | that's a solid point, though, markun. I think the current assumption has long been that viewports are a "when" not an "if". |
| 17:47:07 | markun | Soap: I also think so, but it might take years if nobody wants to / can work on it |
| 17:47:31 | Llorean | And the current state will then be that in years, people will still be maintaining these limbo patches. |
| 17:47:46 | Llorean | Rejecting them now is surely nicer than rejecting them two years from now, when we knew now that they would be. |
| 17:47:56 | markun | what about accepting them now? |
| 17:48:02 | kugel | Isn't it against the spirit of open source close those patches just to avoid forks? IMO it is |
| 17:48:10 | Llorean | We should either starting herding them to acceptance with the intent of removing them with viewports, or reject them clearly |
| 17:48:17 | Llorean | kugel: That's silly |
| 17:48:30 | Llorean | Rockbox has already been forked a few dozen times |
| 17:48:46 | Llorean | Every unsupported build is one, and removing those patches won't make unsupported builds disappear |
| 17:48:54 | Llorean | But it will make it clear that these features aren't going to enter SVN ever. |
| 17:48:58 | keanu | (copied from -community): if those patches are closed, wouldn't custom builders just sync it themselves, since quite a few themes would stop working? |
| 17:49:04 | Soap | How possible would it be to make viewports a modular work? Reading linuxstb's document on it - it sure sounds like a monolithic element (at least to get started). |
| 17:49:08 | Llorean | keanu: And they're more than welcome to. |
| 17:49:28 | Llorean | keanu: The point isn't to stamp out these patches. |
| 17:49:35 | kugel | Actually I don't see the danger that any of the custom builds would overcome the official build |
| 17:49:37 | GodEater_ | kugel: no-one's stopping a fork if that's what you want to do - we're really just talking about not hosting those forks. |
| 17:49:39 | Llorean | It's to clean up the tracker, and make it absolutely clear they aren't getting accepted (if they aren't) |
| 17:49:50 | Llorean | kugel: You're misunderstanding the purpose. |
| 17:49:57 | keanu | Llorean, ah, ok |
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| 17:51:24 | keanu | It (possibly) seems that the real use of the tracker is blurred - is it that people use the tracker for hosting patches, rather than trying to get them into the official build? |
| 17:51:36 | Llorean | keanu: That's the problem, yes |
| 17:51:49 | keanu | Llorean, ok, I think I'm starting to understand now |
| 17:51:53 | Llorean | Its intent is for contributing to Rockbox. |
| 17:52:29 | Llorean | So I'd like it to become more black and white. Rejections when something is unsuitable. Rejections with comments when "The idea is good, the implementation is unsound, try using X to Y and post a new patch" |
| 17:52:31 | keanu | But some patches are so popular that they're being synced solely for custom builds |
| 17:52:37 | * | keanu thinks..? |
| 17:52:46 | Llorean | Much less patches sitting in limbo, forever synced, but never actually had anything done about them |
| 17:52:59 | GodEater_ | keanu: we really don't care about the popularity in custom builds |
| 17:53:11 | GodEater_ | we want them popular in core rockbox |
| 17:53:13 | GodEater_ | or not at all |
| 17:53:14 | kugel | Concerning the several WPS patches. Noone is trying to get them into the build, since they feel that there work will be obsolete with viewports |
| 17:53:15 | Llorean | Popularity doesn't make a patch suitable for inclusion. |
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| 17:53:23 | keanu | GodEater_, I'm not referring to the popularity of custom builds, but the popularity of the patches in them |
| 17:53:33 | GodEater_ | keanu: so am I :) |
| 17:53:34 | Llorean | kugel: Yes, and if they will be obsolute, why shouldn't we close them? |
| 17:53:42 | Llorean | obsolete |
| 17:53:50 | hcs | how about experimental plugins? |
| 17:53:58 | Llorean | hcs: Experimental plugins? |
| 17:53:59 | markun | why not include them until they become obsolete? |
| 17:54:05 | Llorean | markun: I wouldn't mind that either. |
| 17:54:07 | keanu | markun, what I was thinking |
| 17:54:20 | hcs | Llorean: like the wiki reader, which i don't forsee ever actually being in the build |
| 17:54:22 | Llorean | markun: My goal is to make things more black and white, I really don't care which direction. |
| 17:54:26 | GodEater_ | #ifndef VIEWPORTS <insert-code-here> #endif |
| 17:54:27 | kugel | the main problem is for me, that I see no progress of viewports at all, and this is why I feel a bit lost within that vicious cycle |
| 17:54:35 | hcs | *in svn |
| 17:54:51 | petur | because people will start using them in wps's and get upset when they must change again when viewports arrive |
| 17:54:53 | Llorean | hcs: Why can't it be included? Touches the core? |
| 17:54:57 | keanu | I don't think it's really a matter of when it will be obsolete, but what will be used instead from the time the patch is closed until the time when something replaces that patch |
| 17:54:57 | markun | with albumart without MoB the problem was that it would waste memory for people not using it, but I don't think we have that problem of every patch |
| 17:55:13 | markun | of -> for |
| 17:55:15 | Llorean | markun: The only issue is, as petur mentioned, one intent with viewports is to maintain backwards compatibility |
| 17:55:25 | Llorean | Moving from all these patches to viewports will require rewriting of nearly every WPS |
| 17:55:40 | Llorean | keanu: Why are we obligated to provide placeholders? |
| 17:56:01 | hcs | Llorean: no, just requires a bunch of other tools and a lot of data and isn't really being worked on, seems like it'll be a perpetual proof of concept |
| 17:56:23 | keanu | Llorean, I'm not saying you're obligated, but at the same time, I don't speak for everyone that uses the patches |
| 17:56:49 | Llorean | hcs: Then it should be closed with "Out of Date" or whatever that close message is. I really don't think though that it can't be included if someone gets it working well. |
| 17:57:02 | keanu | Llorean, I'm just wondering what people will do when they find that the patch is closed with no replacement (until viewports) |
| 17:57:20 | Llorean | keanu: Some will surely maintain it elsewhere |
| 17:57:45 | Llorean | But there's also the chance that others will say "Oh, well, I have this other idea, and now that I have this time back, I can work on it..." and maybe contribute something that can be committed? |
| 17:57:52 | Llorean | Really, I'm not too concerned what they do. |
| 17:57:59 | Llorean | I just want to draw the line more clearly |
| 17:58:02 | petur | so the point is: we must start implementing viewports soon :) |
| 17:58:11 | keanu | petur, sure ;) |
| 17:58:30 | Nimdae | is it normal to need to reformat my rockboxed ipod every couple of months these days? |
| 17:58:36 | Llorean | petur: There's other relevant patches |
| 17:58:45 | petur | Nimdae: no |
| 17:58:46 | Llorean | The slider progress bar, which is a reimplementation of a previously *removed* feature |
| 17:58:50 | Llorean | the double click patch. |
| 17:59:13 | Llorean | A patch dependent upon the double click patch, which may actually be acceptable if the dependency were removed |
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| 18:00:02 | Nimdae | i keep running into an issue where the files are completely undamaged, but rockbox will stop playing complete songs for multiple songs (not all of them), with them being cut off at the same place each time playback is attempted...copying the files off, reformatting, then copying them back will fix it |
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| 18:00:08 | Llorean | And the "custom splash screen" patch |
| 18:00:25 | Llorean | Are all examples of patches that should be rejected since they're not going to be included (afaik) |
| 18:00:56 | keanu | Llorean, I can agree that the custom splash screen can be rejected |
| 18:01:48 | Nimdae | wait...double click? as in...making the use of the buttons more complicated? |
| 18:01:58 | Llorean | Nimdae: yes. |
| 18:02:01 | Llorean | There's a double click patch |
| 18:02:08 | Nimdae | i think i'd reject that too |
| 18:02:20 | kugel | Even I'd reject that |
| 18:02:38 | petur | Llorean: I've been wanting to say this for some weeks: it is time for another tracker cleanup week. But better after the holidays I think (by then we'll have reached 1000 open tasks) |
| 18:02:51 | Llorean | Then there's a FF/RW patch that offers a mode similar to ipods (rotate the wheel to pick a location in the file) but it's invoked by double click I believe |
| 18:02:52 | kugel | What would be the closure reason for custom splashs creen patch?+ |
| 18:02:59 | Llorean | petur: I agree |
| 18:03:10 | Llorean | petur: Maybe we should set "Rejection Guidelines" for the cleanup? |
| 18:03:15 | Llorean | kugel: "rejected" |
| 18:03:21 | keanu | lol |
| 18:03:31 | Nimdae | i'd reject custom splashesas well |
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| 18:03:51 | kugel | But why? |
| 18:04:01 | Nimdae | instead, i'd request that the blue be black instead |
| 18:04:04 | Llorean | kugel: It can't be implemented in a way that doesn't aversely affect those who don't use it. |
| 18:04:21 | petur | the tracker is for mainstream rockbox stuff, all the rest should go |
| 18:04:26 | keanu | I can't really see why it should be included though - those who do want to have their own splash screen can do it from the source |
| 18:04:30 | Nimdae | i said instead twice in a sentance, heh |
| 18:05:20 | kugel | keanu: That's what I did, and this is why I'm not gonna include that patch ever (several people asked me). |
| 18:05:26 | keanu | what about having a second tracker (even if it isn't Rockbox hosted) for patches that aren't meant to be in the official build, or otherwise rejected |
| 18:05:35 | Llorean | People can do that if they want |
| 18:05:43 | keanu | kugel, /me wonders why he still has it in his build, to be honest |
| 18:05:48 | Nimdae | keanu: that's called a fork |
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| 18:06:18 | kugel | fork means competetion, and competition is good in most cases imo |
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| 18:06:43 | Nimdae | it can mean competition, but doesn't necesarily |
| 18:06:44 | Llorean | Nimdae: Any unsupported build using a can't-be-committed feature is already a fork anyway |
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| 18:07:12 | Nimdae | yeah, but they tend to stick to the main rockbox for their releases |
| 18:07:21 | Nimdae | so it's not a complete fork |
| 18:07:29 | hcs | a little fork, like a shrimp fork |
| 18:07:36 | Nimdae | still, i continue to use main rockbox |
| 18:07:57 | Nimdae | mostly because i can do a svn checkout and build ;) |
| 18:08:16 | Nimdae | rather than wait for undetermined periods of time for updates |
| 18:08:19 | Llorean | I just think it'd be beneficial, or at least "polite" (in the sense of being honest with people) to reject patches if they're not going to be committed. |
| 18:08:40 | Llorean | Even if it's going to be 12 months before the reason they won't be committed actually happens |
| 18:08:56 | keanu | I wouldn't mean for it to be competition, just a place to still keep those patches going, even though they won't ever be in the official build (or at least until a replacement comes) |
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| 18:09:41 | scorche|w | keanu: like we said...it isnt like we can stop someone from doing that |
| 18:09:55 | Llorean | It's open source. |
| 18:10:07 | pixelma | with any luck, maybe closing the scrolling margins patch will give someone the incentive to work on viewports (and not committing some interim solution) |
| 18:10:17 | Llorean | Someone could svn update every commit we make, replace the logo, call it "Jellybox" and attempt to sell it, as long as they met the requirements of the GPL |
| 18:11:06 | scorche|w | jellybox.com is available...tempting.. |
| 18:11:06 | Nimdae | pixelma: that's the thing, people work on things they want implemented at the advice of forum admins and devs, but they are things that the devs may not necesarily want |
| 18:11:07 | keanu | Yes, though I think that would be a "fair" way to handle it - the patches can be closed in the official tracker, but still continued for those who want to work on it |
| 18:11:27 | Llorean | keanu: So start another tracker. Nothing's stopping you. |
| 18:12:03 | * | Nimdae contemplates starting a Nimdaebox |
| 18:12:11 | scorche|w | kermitbox |
| 18:12:19 | Nimdae | kermit is dead :( |
| 18:12:26 | Llorean | I've been tempted to rebrand my personal builds "Orpheus" for some time. |
| 18:12:34 | scorche|w | oh no... |
| 18:12:39 | Nimdae | the box i use now for building is called bourbon, though ;) |
| 18:12:41 | Nimdae | Bourbonbox |
| 18:12:47 | keanu | wow, the topic sure changed quick ;) |
| 18:13:12 | scorche|w | mahna mahna |
| 18:13:16 | krazykit | Llorean, that was the name the actually won the popular vote, isn't it? |
| 18:13:25 | Llorean | Yes |
| 18:13:33 | scorche|w | krazykit: hence the joke :) |
| 18:13:38 | Llorean | And while I agree "Rockbox" is a better name as a project, I'm still fond of it. |
| 18:13:56 | scorche|w | Llorean: too commonplace/expected |
| 18:13:58 | Llorean | Orpheus falls into the "Wonderful for people who get it, too strange for those who don't" category I think |
| 18:14:05 | kugel | Good point, I'm gonna call my build kugelbox, which would be a nice pun |
| 18:14:10 | Llorean | scorche|w: Orpheus is? |
| 18:14:31 | keanu | krazykit, a suggested name was once Fox-in-Sox |
| 18:14:32 | Llorean | I can't think of a single person among my friends here who'd make any association between that name and music, honestly |
| 18:15:05 | scorche|w | Llorean: i cant say why, but it just has some sort of association with the name of a project for me |
| 18:15:18 | Llorean | Well there were the Sennheirs Orpheus phones. |
| 18:15:27 | Josh`W | Morpheus without the 'M' |
| 18:15:31 | Llorean | We could use "Orpheus" as the name for the 4.0 stable when we get there. |
| 18:15:43 | Llorean | Since 3.0 and 3.1 have names already, technically |
| 18:15:45 | scorche|w | onery orpheus? |
| 18:15:51 | Nimdae | lol |
| 18:16:01 | kugel | I'm wondering what's gonna happen earlier: Viewports or a stable rockbox version ;) |
| 18:16:37 | Nimdae | i'd like to see stable first ;) |
| 18:17:22 | Llorean | I'd like to see a "stable" version first too |
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| 18:18:11 | Llorean | Actually, the new year might be a good time for a feature freeze. I don't know if we have many extant features in the works, and while there are bugs, I think most of the known ones are reproduceable. |
| 18:19:19 | kugel | BTW: I've finished a patch renaming all BUTTON_SCROLL_UP (_DOWN,_FWD,_BACK) to BUTTON_SCROLL_CLOCK and _COUNTER |
| 18:20:06 | kugel | We've talked about that yesterday or so |
| 18:20:18 | pixelma | I hope not for the H10... :D |
| 18:20:31 | kugel | of course not |
| 18:20:40 | * | kugel should've mention this |
| 18:21:25 | kugel | We talked about that, and the main consensus was that the actual names are missleading |
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| 18:22:10 | ilanur | hello, can i know if this firware works on ipod classic 80gb? |
| 18:22:16 | Llorean | No |
| 18:22:21 | Llorean | It does not |
| 18:22:37 | ilanur | ok, and in the future? |
| 18:22:46 | Llorean | Only if people owning them work on it |
| 18:23:07 | ilanur | ok |
| 18:23:33 | ilanur | is there a way to use the folders insted of the tags on the ipod? |
| 18:23:56 | Llorean | That is better asked somewhere else |
| 18:24:05 | Llorean | But, probably not |
| 18:24:17 | ilanur | :( ok |
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| 18:25:41 | Nimdae | i should learn how to hack these devices so i can get the ipod classic working |
| 18:25:56 | Llorean | The iPod classic is going to be a "big" port. |
| 18:26:03 | Llorean | Everything, or most things, from scratch |
| 18:26:35 | Nimdae | what architecture is the samsung cpu? |
| 18:26:47 | kugel | arm afaik |
| 18:27:10 | kugel | There's a thread for a T9 port, you might read it (if you didn't allready |
| 18:27:12 | kugel | ) |
| 18:27:44 | Nimdae | it would be arm11 then right? |
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| 18:28:37 | Nimdae | well, i'm sitting here bored at work, i'll read some forum threads :) |
| 18:32:10 | kugel | Llorean: Would you still be interested in such a patch? |
| 18:32:19 | kugel | or Nico_P |
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| 18:35:24 | Sammienator | hey, I think I found a 'bug' in the pictureflow plugin... |
| 18:35:37 | Sammienator | but it's really hard to explain:( |
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| 18:37:09 | krazykit | Sammienator, then it will be even harder to fix |
| 18:37:20 | kugel | lol |
| 18:37:21 | krazykit | without an explanation, that is. |
| 18:37:36 | Sammienator | I was still typing:P |
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| 18:39:05 | Sammienator | when you go to track listing (with a long list) and than scroll down... |
| 18:39:23 | Sammienator | and than press Menu (to go back to album view) and than again go to track listing |
| 18:40:22 | Sammienator | then you still see the last track, but the bar is at the first track, so you can't see the bar |
| 18:40:42 | Sammienator | I hope you understand:S |
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| 19:17:12 | petur | amiconn: H10 pure disk has been added... |
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| 19:21:54 | kugel | Nico_P: I'm preparing another patch |
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| 19:22:31 | kugel | Nico_P: renaming all BUTTON_SCROLL_UP (_DOWN,_FWD,_BACK) to BUTTON_SCROLL_CLOCK and _COUNTER |
| 19:22:43 | kugel | Do you remember? We talked about this issue |
| 19:23:09 | Nico_P | kugel: yeah, but I guess there needs to be discussion before committing |
| 19:23:31 | n1s | kugel: that is great, i have been wanting to do the same thing for a while but never got around to it |
| 19:23:46 | kugel | No problem. Though we discussed it, and the consensus was that CLOCK and COUNTER are much proper |
| 19:24:10 | Nico_P | kugel: yeah, sounds good to me |
| 19:24:29 | kugel | n1s: I'm testing it atm, I gonna upload it to the tracker most likely today |
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| 19:31:38 | kugel | Ok, fine on my e200 |
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| 19:36:06 | yoavk | How can I detect the wheel position on the iPod? I've tried wheel_status() but that only changes when you actually move on the wheel. I need a way to detect position even if you just touched the wheel (Like in Ms. Pacman) |
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| 19:40:40 | yoavk | *touch the wheel* NOT *touched the wheel*. sorry... |
| 19:41:28 | salty-horse | hi. I'm a bit out of date here. is album art in WPS officially supported now? (WPS tags are not in the docs yet) |
| 19:41:50 | Soap | salty-horse: sure they are - are they not in the custom WPS wiki page? |
| 19:42:51 | salty-horse | they are, but that page existed even when it wasn't official :) −− they still should be in the docs :) |
| 19:42:56 | salty-horse | thanks for the info |
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| 19:43:52 | petur | yoavk: I don't think the wheel has an absolute position |
| 19:44:04 | Llorean | petur: It does. |
| 19:44:10 | Llorean | The wheel has 96 positions, if I recall |
| 19:44:26 | yoavk | Llorean: How do I retrive the wheel position |
| 19:44:32 | Llorean | There was a patch, that I *think* was eventually committed, dividing the wheel into 8 sections assignable as buttons in Rockboy |
| 19:44:45 | Llorean | yoavk: As I recommended earlier, look at Rockboy and see if it does it |
| 19:44:50 | petur | no he wants to know the absolute position |
| 19:44:53 | pixelma | I think too, that rockbox uses it |
| 19:45:07 | pixelma | eh Rockboy |
| 19:45:30 | petur | which I think isn't available |
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| 19:45:43 | Llorean | I think those 96 increments are, or can be made to be. |
| 19:46:22 | petur | I mean like in turning and then releasing it, that 'position' isn't kept |
| 19:46:33 | amiconn | The touch wheel in G4 (grey/color), G5, Nano and Mini G2 can provide absolute position |
| 19:46:33 | * | petur gives up and runs off |
| 19:46:35 | Llorean | Ah, yes. |
| 19:46:49 | Llorean | If you release the wheel, there's no "position" any more |
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| 19:46:55 | amiconn | The G1..G3 and Mini G1 wheel can not |
| 19:47:12 | petur | right... that was what I wanted to say ;) |
| 19:47:22 | yoavk | So How do I get the position??? |
| 19:48:11 | Llorean | yoavk: You don't need to repeat your question so often. |
| 19:48:16 | amiconn | And rockboy *does* use wheel position where available |
| 19:48:23 | amiconn | utsl |
| 19:49:08 | yoavk | Llorean: Sorry... you'r right |
| 19:49:09 | markun | yoavk: rb->wheel_status() |
| 19:49:31 | markun | yoavk: just look at the sources of other plugins |
| 19:49:50 | yoavk | markun: That value only changes when you actualy turn the wheel, not just touch it |
| 19:50:32 | Genre9mp3 | haha.... according to logbot, rtfm means "_please_ read the manual" |
| 19:51:07 | desowin | logbot just tries to be polite ;) |
| 19:51:21 | #>> | "is a polite... hmm... bot? ;)" by pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) |
| 19:51:52 | markun | yoavk: I based it on line 97 of apps/plugins/rockboy/sys_rockbox.c |
| 19:52:02 | * | petur was in a good mood when he added that :) |
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| 19:53:29 | Genre9mp3 | ts ts... censorship |
| 19:54:11 | jhMikeS | petur: hmm...you wrote the logbot? |
| 19:54:28 | petur | nah, just feeding some strings ;) |
| 19:55:44 | * | jhMikeS tries /msg logbot BEER and suprisingly no special messages |
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| 19:56:02 | markun | jhMikeS: but try "explain beer" |
| 19:56:24 | petur | try OT :) |
| 19:56:37 | jhMikeS | I see :) |
| 19:57:12 | #>> | "knows nothing about 'me' though :p" by jhMikeS (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) |
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| 19:57:36 | jhMikeS | '*Shrug* I don't know' |
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| 19:58:06 | scorche|w | logbot: explain rtfm |
| 19:58:19 | desowin | "seen desowin" "Yeah, I see you. Boy, you're ugly ;)" hehe |
| 19:58:20 | jhMikeS | hehe |
| 19:58:45 | jhMikeS | yeah, i've seen that one |
| 19:59:53 | * | jhMikeS thinks one should be added to answer questions about when ports will be done and such |
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| 20:02:06 | scorche|w | when logbot stops sending notices and starts sending messages, i plan on adding a bunch of screens |
| 20:02:28 | amiconn | ? |
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| 20:02:54 | #>> | "can do both, in fact I only knew about the messages until a few days ago" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 20:03:18 | scorche|w | i am saying channel messages...not channel-wide notices |
| 20:03:21 | amiconn | If you /msg logbot, the answer is also a message |
| 20:03:38 | scorche|w | i know that...*channel* messages...just like this is |
| 20:03:43 | rp- | Hi! Is there a way to sort the "list" from readdir() or some part of the code which is doing this? |
| 20:05:18 | pixelma | scorche: what screens? I can't imagine what that should be... |
| 20:05:38 | scorche|w | pixelma: hrm? |
| 20:07:07 | pixelma | "i plan on adding a bunch of screens" <- what do you mean? links? |
| 20:07:16 | amiconn | rp-: The file browser does sort. Sorting needs a buffer in (precious) ram, that's why there is the files per dir limit setting |
| 20:07:32 | amiconn | readdir() returns entries in on-disk order |
| 20:07:59 | scorche|w | pixelma: oh...yeah...i meant explain messages/triggers...not sure how that word slipped in there |
| 20:08:37 | amiconn | Why does that depend on messages (vs. notices)? |
| 20:08:41 | pixelma | now I see |
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| 20:08:53 | rp- | amiconn: file browser is implemented int filetree.c? |
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| 20:11:50 | scorche|w | amiconn: because notices are typically considered "annoying" in IRC as opposed to just a simple message like this (sorry if i am repeating this...it doesnt look like it has gone through on my end) |
| 20:12:54 | pixelma | notices have one weird effect they appear in whatever window you are in (even if it is an unrelated channel or a query window) - discoverd last week when logbot learned talking again |
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| 20:13:11 | scorche|w | yeah....people get very annoyed... |
| 20:13:23 | scorche|w | although it depends on how the clients handle it |
| 20:13:33 | Llorean | Yeah, my client is very friendly with regard to notices. |
| 20:13:46 | Llorean | They show up as (Notice) blah blah, as a line in the normal chat by logbot. |
| 20:13:54 | * | amiconn can't see why notices would be annoying |
| 20:13:55 | scorche|w | so, i would rather not use him (and the explain function) until he emits messages, rather than notices |
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| 20:14:39 | scorche|w | amiconn: because not every client handles them the same...and many use them like pixelma sees |
| 20:14:45 | amiconn | They appear with just 2 tiny differences to normal messages here |
| 20:15:01 | scorche|w | what client? |
| 20:15:04 | amiconn | Hydra |
| 20:15:12 | pixelma | same as mine |
| 20:15:50 | scorche|w | then they are annoying in that they show up in whatever window you have active...if you are talking in another channel, you will see notices from here (or other channels that may use them, although people typically dont for this exact reason) |
| 20:16:01 | amiconn | Maybe they appear in another active window ... didn't notice that so far |
| 20:16:09 | scorche|w | they do in hydra |
| 20:16:46 | pixelma | confirmed - and then they are not in the #rockbox tab |
| 20:17:00 | amiconn | If I didn't even notice that so far, it can't be annoying... |
| 20:18:11 | scorche|w | i am in 20-25 channels on IRC...trust me...notices are VERY annoying |
| 20:18:41 | scorche|w | same with channel-wide CTCPs |
| 20:19:05 | pixelma | I don't find it very annoying too but that probably depends on usage pattern (the more tabs and different channels with different aim the more annoying, I guess) |
| 20:19:32 | amiconn | There's an option in Hydra to disable notice forwarding |
| 20:19:45 | scorche|w | i am just saying the "general IRC social rules" |
| 20:21:02 | scorche|w | this isnt about fixing it personally for me...the proper way for a bot to speak is either in messages sent to the channel or private messages |
| 20:22:17 | Llorean | Is there an RFC on it? :-P |
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| 20:25:10 | scorche|w | it is just one of the IRC social norms, i guess you could also call it...just like how in real life, you whisper in certain situations rather than scream something out, etc |
| 20:26:44 | kugel | Nico_P: When are you gonna look at FS #8335? |
| 20:27:08 | Nico_P | kugel: I'll try to do it this evening but I can't promise you anyhting |
| 20:27:38 | kugel | I guess you are quite busy today. |
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| 20:41:44 | kugel | may it be, that the iPod video BMP for the Sim is labelled wrongly? |
| 20:43:12 | kugel | I need someone with an ipod to test a patch |
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| 20:51:31 | Crash91 | boo |
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| 21:08:29 | kugel | please, can't someone help me? |
| 21:08:58 | krazykit | be patient :P |
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| 21:11:20 | mrkiko | krazykit: read guidelines; |
| 21:11:30 | mrkiko | krazykit: what problem do you have? I'll try to help you if I can |
| 21:11:45 | kugel | :? |
| 21:12:44 | kugel | I don't think krazykit has a problem |
| 21:13:21 | krazykit | mrkiko, i know the guidelines. i was simply telling kugel to be patient. |
| 21:13:55 | kugel | I think he means me |
| 21:14:51 | mrkiko | krazykit: in fact; It was just I was wrong; i red the nick and pasted the text just in the wrong window :) |
| 21:14:54 | mrkiko | sorry |
| 21:15:02 | mrkiko | I'm using irssi and my alt key doesn't work allways reliably |
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| 21:19:05 | kugel | :O |
| 21:19:10 | kugel | www.rockbox.org is down? |
| 21:19:45 | krazykit | no |
| 21:21:08 | rp- | hm i added 2 functions to the plugin_api and i'm getting this warning, when compiling: |
| 21:21:11 | rp- | case 5: |
| 21:21:14 | rp- | rb->strcpy(buffer, its_a_dir ? "" : str_md5); |
| 21:21:16 | rp- | ups sorry |
| 21:21:46 | mrkiko | Can't read www.rockbox.org/index.html |
| 21:21:47 | rp- | plugin.c:568: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type |
| 21:22:11 | rp- | but the functions are working, at least in the simulator |
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| 21:24:25 | parafin | why does logbot send notices sometimes? |
| 21:25:31 | scorche|w | because he is currently programmed that way |
| 21:25:50 | parafin | and what's the point? |
| 21:26:16 | * | scorche|w shrugs |
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| 21:26:36 | * | petur received a 50pin to CF adapter :) |
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| 21:27:39 | ruskie | lo |
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| 21:29:57 | petur | hi |
| 21:30:08 | ruskie | is the sansa c240 supported by rockbox? |
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| 21:30:57 | petur | depends on the hw version I think |
| 21:31:49 | ruskie | asume latest as I doubt the stores have anything earlier |
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| 21:32:34 | ruskie | I'm trying to find some player that would be supported and that I could get localy |
| 21:32:43 | * | petur looks around for sansa people |
| 21:33:01 | ruskie | the sansa c240 and e250 are the only ones I could find that are even remotely mentioned... |
| 21:33:06 | ruskie | other choices are iriver t20 |
| 21:33:14 | ruskie | and then there's not much more... |
| 21:33:29 | Llorean | The e200 and c200 version 1 hardware is supported |
| 21:33:37 | Llorean | The v2 hardware isn't, unfortunately that's what's likely to be in stock |
| 21:33:44 | ruskie | thought so |
| 21:33:50 | Llorean | If you can look at the box, look for "Audible" support. if it has that, its a v2 |
| 21:34:59 | mrkiko | xAnd the iRiver T20? Is it supported? |
| 21:35:22 | Llorean | No |
| 21:35:26 | ruskie | can't find it mentioned at all on the rockbox page :) |
| 21:35:38 | Llorean | The only supported players are those listed on the front page of the site. |
| 21:36:10 | * | mrkiko feels a little stupid :) |
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| 21:38:33 | * | amiconn hopes to be able to add another target to that list soon :) |
| 21:38:39 | matsl | msg Bagder_ linux3 verkar död. vet du om någon snackat med jon? |
| 21:38:55 | kugel | Is anyone here willing to my patch nwo? |
| 21:38:57 | amiconn | matsl: Forgot / ? |
| 21:39:05 | matsl | jupp ;-) |
| 21:39:11 | matsl | sorry |
| 21:39:19 | ruskie | hmm someone is claiming that the sansa e260 has a replacable os... |
| 21:40:06 | iamben | e250/260/280 are all supported |
| 21:40:14 | Domonoky | ruskie: someone ? rockbox runs on those, atleat on v1 version of this device.. :-) |
| 21:40:34 | ruskie | yeah as everyone keeps saying v1 |
| 21:40:34 | iamben | er i guess 270 also |
| 21:40:36 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:41:03 | ruskie | but I'm not willing to pay 120 eur for it :) |
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| 21:41:39 | Domonoky | ruskie: buy it in us dollars.. its cheaper :-) |
| 21:41:50 | ruskie | the c240 is 56 eur... I'd be happy with that... IF I know for a fact it can run rockbox... I'll have to ask when I go buy an ups tomorrow... |
| 21:42:24 | * | Llorean paid $16 US for his C240, but it was refurbished |
| 21:42:49 | ruskie | I tried the old stuff on sale... can't find anything usable... :( |
| 21:42:51 | faemir | does anyone here use amarok with a rockbox player? |
| 21:42:57 | ruskie | or it's insanely priced... |
| 21:43:12 | faemir | Llorean: $16 O_O |
| 21:43:27 | ruskie | that's dirt cheap... lucky bast... |
| 21:43:43 | kugel | ruskie: where are you buying? you get a e250 for less than 50€ |
| 21:43:58 | ruskie | kugel, nowhere yet :) |
| 21:44:00 | ruskie | just looking around |
| 21:44:11 | ruskie | so far all prices aronud here I found were in the 100eur+ range |
| 21:45:08 | kugel | for 250? |
| 21:45:13 | mrkiko | A question to the "development team": will in your opinion rockbox be ported to other players in the future? |
| 21:45:16 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:45:23 | Domonoky | ruskie: amazon has a e250 for 66€ .. |
| 21:45:25 | kugel | don't let them fool you |
| 21:45:37 | Nico_P | amiconn: which player are you hoping to add official support for? |
| 21:45:45 | amiconn | iAudio M3 |
| 21:45:54 | amiconn | Just won an ebay auction |
| 21:45:58 | Domonoky | mrkiko: thats for sure, but no timeline.. :-) |
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| 21:46:29 | Domonoky | and as amiconn bought a m3.. maybe we will see a port for this ? :-) |
| 21:47:09 | rp- | amiconn: do you know how i can get rid of the compiler warning "initialization from incompatible pointer type", when adding a function to the plugin_api structure? |
| 21:47:16 | ruskie | sansa clip and express aren't supported right? |
| 21:47:35 | Domonoky | ruskie: no.. |
| 21:47:36 | Llorean | ruskie: ONLY the players on the front page of the site |
| 21:47:48 | amiconn | rp-: By using the correct pointer type.... in 99.9% of all cases gcc is right that you did something wrong somewhere |
| 21:50:25 | rp- | ahh damn, added a const, which i forgot in the header, thank you |
| 21:51:19 | ruskie | bah I wish all of these player makers would standardise on rockbox for the firmware... |
| 21:51:51 | digitallo | buy.com currently has the e250 refurbished for 35$ US. Which is a pretty good imho. |
| 21:52:15 | ruskie | I'm not paying for the over-atlantic shipping :) |
| 21:52:27 | ruskie | would cost more than the device |
| 21:52:51 | amiconn | Nico_P: Sure, just don't be too impatient ;) |
| 21:53:01 | scorche|w | ruskie: no..only around 8.80 USD |
| 21:53:13 | ruskie | scorche|w, not in my experience... |
| 21:53:22 | amiconn | I probably won't be able to start porting to M3 before Jan 2008 |
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| 21:53:33 | ruskie | but anyway no big loss... |
| 21:53:54 | ruskie | I'll just wait for the neo1973... then I actually won't need anything else... |
| 21:53:55 | scorche|w | ruskie: i have sent a LOT of devices to various rockbox folks around here...trust me when i say a sansa costs 8.80 USD to send abroad |
| 21:54:08 | ruskie | scorche|w, when "you" send it... |
| 21:54:15 | scorche|w | exactly.. |
| 21:54:19 | ruskie | not when $random_commercial_entity sends it |
| 21:54:32 | scorche|w | then dont have them send it, and use someone in the US.. |
| 21:55:01 | amiconn | US mail seems to be dead cheap compared to europe... |
| 21:55:35 | ruskie | there's VAT to pay for stuff being imported... so I guess that's a chunk as well |
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| 21:55:48 | mrkiko | Is someone able to suggest me a place ( or directly buy for me) a iRivr remote controller? |
| 21:55:54 | scorche|w | ruskie: not if it is marked as a gift.. |
| 21:55:55 | mrkiko | I actuallyt can't browse ebay... |
| 21:56:19 | mrkiko | I need a non-lcd remote cotroller... for the H3xx serie |
| 21:56:20 | digitallo | Fuel prices in the US vs Europe is likely the culpit. |
| 21:57:05 | ruskie | well I do have a shuffle and some no-name brand player... though neither support oggs... but it's livable for now... |
| 21:57:17 | desowin | ruskie: if it's under 45 euro (incl. postage) and sent as gift then you don't have to worry about customs/VAT |
| 21:57:39 | ruskie | was merly thinking of getting some cheap player that I could throw rockbox on and use as my main player for both music and audio books... |
| 21:59:35 | mrkiko | The problem of people searching for players to install rockbox in is becoming frequent; it would be so beautiful having a manufacturer selling out it's players with rockbox installed in. |
| 21:59:44 | ruskie | yup |
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| 22:00:00 | mrkiko | Do manufacturers know rockbox? |
| 22:00:34 | mrkiko | from a bastard point of view, this way they may be able to send theyr players at a lower price: they will not need someone to develop a firmware for them, right? |
| 22:00:55 | krazykit | mrkiko, Sandisk certainly does, and I would be surprised if other ones did not. |
| 22:01:11 | mrkiko | It may be a little sad consideration for people spending time and passion on robkcox, but would be helpful... |
| 22:01:28 | ruskie | well for the time being the hack should work... i.e. listen to audio book then somehow store position on the hdd wipe install music... listen until next wipe restore... but I haven't yet figured out how to get last played song from the shuffle... |
| 22:01:34 | mrkiko | krazykit: why do you think so? |
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| 22:02:08 | Llorean | Part of the problem with a manufacturer shipping with Rockbox installed, is that then people will expect them to provide support for Rockbox |
| 22:02:29 | ruskie | well why not? |
| 22:02:29 | krazykit | mrkiko, well, Sandisk sent a few players to someone, along with a dev. board. the others, i suspect they keep an eye on what people do with their hardware. |
| 22:02:50 | ruskie | it would provide a common platform to standardize support on... |
| 22:02:58 | ruskie | no retraining for new stuff |
| 22:03:09 | mrkiko | mhm... |
| 22:03:21 | mrkiko | the support consideration effectively is a problem... |
| 22:03:23 | krazykit | ruskie, yeah, but you lose the sell point of DRM, so online music stores' music won't work |
| 22:03:42 | ruskie | can't they install their own plugins that would do DRM? |
| 22:03:48 | Domonoky | no need to discuss this here, discuss it with the manufacturers :-) |
| 22:03:56 | mrkiko | krazykit: hm... |
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| 22:04:08 | DefineByte | DRM is dying, thankfully |
| 22:04:09 | Llorean | ruskie: Not really |
| 22:04:13 | ruskie | but DRM seems to be dying anyway |
| 22:04:16 | ruskie | Llorean, how come? |
| 22:04:16 | Llorean | Plugins are linked to the binary, and under the same license. |
| 22:04:24 | ruskie | ahh |
| 22:04:30 | mrkiko | ruskie: infact |
| 22:04:32 | Llorean | But, supporting it is also a problem. |
| 22:04:37 | mrkiko | but, as I know: we can use a DRM |
| 22:04:42 | Llorean | As it's open source, anyone can provide unofficial versions. |
| 22:04:58 | Llorean | mrkiko: Open Source and DRM cannot mix effectively. |
| 22:05:00 | Domonoky | theoretically you could build a lgpl plugin whitch loads the proprietary drm plugin. :-) |
| 22:05:08 | Llorean | Domonoky: Wouldn't work effectively though |
| 22:05:19 | Llorean | If you can play back the music in an open source program, you can also dump the decrypted stream to disk. |
| 22:05:36 | Domonoky | sure.. but you would have drm support.. :-) |
| 22:05:41 | Bagder | Domonoky: not really |
| 22:05:44 | ruskie | so: we only provide support for original XXXX-$manufacturerstring-$version firmware and hardware |
| 22:06:00 | ruskie | kinda solves that |
| 22:06:46 | ruskie | or they could TiVo-ize it... but in a more friendly manner... i.e. you can request the key and thus lose all support for your device related to software |
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| 22:08:17 | mrkiko | The problem is just one: DRM is wrong. Rockbox is right! :) |
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| 22:08:46 | ruskie | anyway need to get some rest... nyx all |
| 22:09:04 | mrkiko | nyx ? |
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| 22:11:36 | mrkiko | May be you can let them install tyheyr only closed-source brandizzed version of rockbox, making for them mandatory releasing some important source code parrts - hardware handling one and boot loaders especially. |
| 22:11:54 | mrkiko | I know I'm insulting the GPL .. . |
| 22:11:59 | krazykit | that violates the GPL. |
| 22:12:16 | mrkiko | but rockbox is too big, too good; it simply rocks ... |
| 22:12:48 | mrkiko | krazykit: ... effectively yes, but (if you want) you can put various exceptions for specific cases. |
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| 22:13:39 | scorche|w | mrkiko: then that isnt the GPL |
| 22:13:58 | scorche|w | and rockbox would have to re-license everything |
| 22:14:08 | mrkiko | eha... effectively... |
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| 22:16:29 | mrkiko | From a project like this , rockbox may benefit a lot, but ... |
| 22:16:41 | mrkiko | you spent a lot of love on developing rockbox - gpl should be respected... |
| 22:16:45 | mrkiko | and now - good night all! |
| 22:16:50 | mrkiko | and good rockbox to all! |
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| 22:25:31 | Wtjoker | knock knock |
| 22:25:49 | scorche|w | who's there? |
| 22:25:50 | Wtjoker | where can i get the windows driver for a 4th gen 40gb ipod? |
| 22:26:02 | Wtjoker | detected "rockbox media" |
| 22:26:02 | scorche|w | where can i get the windows driver for a 4th gen 40gb ipod? who? |
| 22:26:05 | Wtjoker | lol |
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| 22:26:34 | DefineByte | just ignore any driver pop-ups |
| 22:26:37 | Wtjoker | rockbox is installed and working, but when i connect to windows it wants a driver for "rockbox media player" |
| 22:26:39 | Wtjoker | oh ok |
| 22:26:48 | Wtjoker | i knew my sansa had a driver |
| 22:26:49 | scorche|w | Wtjoker: there is no such driver...that is part of the in-progress USB functionality...just boot into disk mode |
| 22:27:04 | Wtjoker | k, how do i set disk mode |
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| 22:28:07 | Wtjoker | i noticed it doesnt show up in windows explorer |
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| 22:28:42 | scorche|w | the manual says how...as do many many google results |
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| 22:38:13 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I just commited a change to exclude the sapi script from non-windows builds ... |
| 22:38:20 | bluebrother | solution was rather easy ;-) |
| 22:42:39 | pixelma | ah, bluebrother, got an internet connection now? |
| 22:42:53 | bluebrother | pixelma: not really −− using my phone |
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| 22:43:13 | bluebrother | no "real" internet until next year :( |
| 22:43:15 | pixelma | I see |
| 22:43:50 | bluebrother | at least I can do a bit of stuff on the net again. |
| 22:44:10 | dionoea | next year isn't too far away |
| 22:44:57 | pixelma | if you would have had some more time, I'd liked to discuss the "feature.txt > UseOptions" idea |
| 22:45:04 | bluebrother | fortunately, yes. I hope I get a dsl setup quick ... going to move to my final home this week |
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| 22:49:07 | bluebrother | ok, see you guys another time. |
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| 22:55:24 | DefineByte | anyone free to commit a couple of minor patches (8313, 8323)? |
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| 23:00:37 | petur | these patches have been discussed recently - must check the outcome |
| 23:00:42 | kugel | Can now anyone with an iPod test my patch? |
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| 23:02:45 | DefineByte | petur, really? I remember a brief mention but I thought they were generally approved with the bulk of the discussion turning to 'folder' versus 'directory'. Has it been discussed since? |
| 23:02:59 | petur | checking... |
| 23:03:10 | DefineByte | :) |
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| 23:05:30 | kugel | Damn, obviously noone wants to help improving rockbox. |
| 23:05:44 | Soap | one step over the line |
| 23:06:00 | Bagder | kugel: nope, not a single person |
| 23:06:12 | kugel | j/k, but I really need someone to test this |
| 23:06:55 | scorche|w | is this a patch in the tracker? |
| 23:06:58 | Llorean | kugel: What's wrong with posting a patch and waiting? |
| 23:07:24 | kugel | I don't want to post an unfinished test, if I could find a person for a quick test |
| 23:07:58 | scorche|w | do you think the patch tracker is only for completed patches? |
| 23:08:01 | petur | DefineByte: are you already in the credits? |
| 23:08:12 | DefineByte | i think the guidlines pretty much state that. |
| 23:08:17 | DefineByte | yeah, I am |
| 23:08:22 | kugel | scorche|w: No, of course not |
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| 23:11:01 | safetydan | Man I hope the tracker isn't for completed patches. I think I've got about three unfinished ones floating around in there. |
| 23:12:42 | Llorean | DefineByte: The tracker is for any patch so long as it's working toward completion/acceptance. |
| 23:13:11 | DefineByte | oh, I know. I just thought the wording suggested otherwise. |
| 23:13:18 | DefineByte | I might be remembering it wrong though |
| 23:14:04 | petur | DefineByte: which David B are you? |
| 23:14:16 | DefineByte | bishop :) |
| 23:14:23 | petur | ok |
| 23:14:57 | DefineByte | I guess I mean this "Submitting a patch implies the assumption you want to get it included into Rockbox." |
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| 23:15:31 | DefineByte | which I guess means a final revision but could imply the actual version you're submitting |
| 23:16:12 | pixelma | so I guess the "Charge During USB Connection" option is there to switch it off in case you have your device on a port which is not providing enough power? |
| 23:20:31 | DefineByte | makes sense. |
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| 23:24:49 | the_big_man | I've found that that option doesn't seem to do anything on my gigabeat |
| 23:24:57 | the_big_man | it carges even though it's set to no |
| 23:25:02 | the_big_man | charges^ |
| 23:26:20 | pixelma | hmm... I'd like to know what to write in the manual. Currently it's not even listed... |
| 23:27:04 | DefineByte | *under construction* :0 |
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| 23:29:25 | Domonoky | i think this option set if rockbox should go into usb mode, or not ( be able to play songs while charging), of course no usb mode on pp till now.. :-) |
| 23:30:35 | DefineByte | thanks a lot petur. :D |
| 23:30:59 | petur | anything that stops nagging :p |
| 23:31:23 | DefineByte | hey, you shouldn't say that. you'll only encourage me |
| 23:31:31 | DefineByte | ;) |
| 23:31:58 | * | petur suddenly remembers how he was before he had commit access :) |
| 23:32:27 | DefineByte | heh, one day (hopes) |
| 23:32:41 | pixelma | Domonoky: no, I don't think so. It's only there on Gigabeat, H300 and FM-Rec (looking in the sim) and this option is in the "Battery" menu... |
| 23:33:14 | Shaid | My 5.5g ipod has that 'charge during usb connection' option |
| 23:33:17 | Shaid | and it's set to off |
| 23:33:23 | Shaid | and it still charges when it's connected via usb... |
| 23:34:03 | pixelma | ah yes, Ipods could have that too but for example my M5 doesn't |
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| 23:51:30 | kugel | So guys. since I couldn't find someone to test, I posted it without testing: FS #8341 |
| 23:51:35 | DefineByte | anyone want to commit fs#8340? :) |
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| 23:54:50 | kugel | n1s: FS #8341, I hope you like it |
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