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#rockbox log for 2007-12-17

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00:10:31kugelNico_P: are you there?
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00:10:43Nico_Psort of
00:11:43kugelI think I fixed it
00:12:02kugelfps and album title at the bottom is working
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00:12:47Nico_Pnice :)
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00:14:34kugelhowever, I'm not too happy with it
00:14:57kugelI needed to make two fake reset_track_list functions
00:15:18kugelthe problem was, that the tracklist isn't updated after a change in the settings
00:15:36kugelI'm gonna upload the version in a few minutes, so that you can take a look
00:16:02kugelbut still, I've fixed some issues the original version has
00:16:11Nico_Pkugel: I'm afraid I won't have time to look at it this evening
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00:24:10RedbrevaRegarding Rockbox-themes.org... At the moment, as you are probably aware, we are in the process of preparing a new server/host. One of the problems with the current host is the limited bandwidth available. It is currently costing me almost 70 PER MONTH in excess charges.
00:24:27Bagder:-(
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00:25:20RedbrevaThis months allocation is just about fully used already,just over half way into the month. I have temporaritl removed access to the iPod 5G themes in an effort to reduce my costs (they are the highest call on downloads)
00:26:11Bagderso what's the status on the new host?
00:26:20RedbrevaBut, rest assured, once scorche has the new platform ready - full service will be restored. No Pressure scorche ;-)
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00:26:28Bagderhaha
00:26:41*Bagder turns the screws a bit tighter
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00:28:22Redbreva100GB of data downloaded from my site, and an additional 8GB from soaps mirror in 16 days - too many users on rbutil at the moment :-(
00:29:29thegeek_the "download all themes" button should be removed from rbutil.
00:29:35Bagderperhaps we should think of a way to get some contents over on the download.rockbox.org system
00:29:36thegeek_it's just wasteful
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00:30:03*dionoea can offer a download mirror if needed
00:30:22kugelNico_P: Wait, I'm adding trying to add fullscreen tracklist when hidden fps and title
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00:32:24RedbrevaI have a mirror on soap server, which worked great for 'normal browsing', but unfortunately it has to be on rb-t.o for rbutil to be able to access it (http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/)
00:32:38Redbrevas/soap/soap's
00:33:00Redbrevahence the 100/8 split
00:33:04Mouser_XNico_P: ADX seems to be working *much* better than it did in the past. However, it does occasionally have a codec failure still. Out of 30+ ADXs, it failed twice, that I noticed. Sorry again about that. I honestly thought the build I was using was much newer than it was.
00:33:13Bagderwell, rbutil could be poked to do it however we want
00:34:03dionoeaRedbreva: 100 GB would be neglectable on the server i'm thinking about (we server more than 1 TB per day)
00:34:28RedbrevaTrouble is not many of the users seem to update too often - there are still a lot of original rbutil (ie not the qt version)
00:34:49dionoeas/server/serve/
00:36:02Redbreva1381 accesses to the original rbutil page in 16 days
00:36:16BagderRedbreva: true, but you could remove that page/host name or whatever to force people to upgrade
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00:38:00RedbrevaI think I will remove that page anyway - so any queries about rbutil failing to download themes - upgrade to latest, rbutil failing to get ipod5G themes - please be patient or visit http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/ to get them manually
00:38:08Mouser_XWhat about adding auto-update to RButil? Would that be a useful, or wasteful, idea?
00:38:17DefineBytei was just thinking that
00:38:37DefineByteor at least notify the user that an update is available
00:38:38Mouser_X(Obviously, they'd have to update for that to take effect, but if you force an update anyway, now would be a good time to implement it.)
00:38:41Bagdersounds like a good idea, at least a "check for new version" or similar
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00:39:49Mouser_XIf that's implemented, I'd have it on by default, but of course allow people to turn it off (for whatever reason).
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00:41:28DefineByteyea, I useually turn that sort of stuff off (don't like phoning home).
00:41:35DefineByteusually/
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00:46:25Mouser_XI turn it off because I don't like it bugging me about a new version... Perhaps if it was more like Firefox's update process, where it does it in the background. Next time you start RButil, it's running the latest version. However, that should be optional. I certainly wouldn't want it to do that without my knowing that it's doing that. If I was aware that the feature was in place, and being used, then I'm fine with it.
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00:49:24scorcheRedbreva: how close is the site to your BW limit again?
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00:50:21RedbrevaMy limit is 100GB/Month - Currently 99.6GB downloaded !!
00:50:32Mouser_X!!! Yow!
00:50:49pixelmaRedbreva: if you say the redirect wouldn't work for people using an old rbutil (if I understood correctly), do they get an error message (and is this error message built-in into rbutil?
00:52:55Redbrevafor the file http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/112x64x1/Black-White.zip rbutil only gets the /data/112x64x1/Black-White.zip part passed to it, the rest is hard coded into the application. Not too sure what it does if the page is not found
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00:57:41scorcheRedbreva: honestly, i am in favor of either releasing a new rbutil that goes to soap's site, or disabling access entirely for the next week while i hurry up and get the server to the point where it is ready for the themes site (just the things necessary and i can do the other non-crucial things later)...those fees are just extortionary
00:58:13Redbrevatell me about it 99p/GB !!
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01:04:38RedbrevaWell folks, time for bed here - good night
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01:04:59scorcheack
01:07:04pixelmamaybe he could get a bit from the fund?
01:07:44Bagdera good idea
01:07:50Bagdernow, bedtime
01:08:29pixelmayeah, here too. Night
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01:23:30Mouser_XWould anyone be willing to help me out here? This WPS hasn't been updated since Feb. or so, and it's failing on line 53. I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea as to what, in line 53, is failing: http://pastebin.ca/819509
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01:28:42jac0bI think the bmp resize patch is broken form the pictureflow
01:29:00jac0bor it is broken just cause
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01:31:58jac0bhas anyone successfully applied the bmp resize patch
01:33:33Mouser_XThat WPS I linked from pastebin seems to be failing on "%xd|" Any idea what deleting this will do to the WPS? Specifically, in comparison to the old WPS, how will deleting this change how it looks/displays info?
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01:34:25Mouser_XI'm guessing that it won't have any effect, since it appears to load nothing, therefore it wouldn't display anything in the old WPS parser.
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01:48:02kugeljott: nearly done, I've added some more improvements
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01:58:05JdGordonholy crap!! this cant be!!
01:58:12JdGordonI tihnk my code has worked first go!
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02:34:53Traveler2hey freenode's working again
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02:36:10Traveler2anyone having trouble opening text files for rockbox on ipod?
02:36:23kugeljott: there?
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02:37:13kugeljott: FS #8335 −− I think my final version which should be ready to commit, I'm going to bed now
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02:44:34JdGordoncan someone test out a patch for me? i've redone the list code again and need to make sure its good
02:46:19safetydanAway from a compiler at the moment, but what's the new list code bring?
02:47:33JdGordonive got rid of the individual list structs for each screen, so the sturct is only duplicated for the variables which actually are different for each
02:47:37JdGordonshould be a bit smaller
02:48:02JdGordon200bytes of rec apparently
02:48:18JdGordonbah, was hoping for more than that...
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03:09:48Traveler2so is there a forum of rockbox games in development?
03:10:24psycho_maniacno
03:10:35psycho_maniaccheck the patch tracker
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03:13:04Shoo-tYo
03:13:24Shoo-tDoes anyone have any info on the Sansa e200 v2 series?
03:13:29Shoo-tAnd how they get rockboxed?
03:14:00JdGordonyou cant put rockbox on them yet
03:14:03psycho_maniacthey are not supported at this moment
03:14:06Shoo-tOk thanks
03:14:10Shoo-tAre they working on it?
03:14:18psycho_maniaccheck the wiki?
03:14:22Shoo-tD; k
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03:28:29Traveler2anyone able to open text files on an ipod nano with rockbox?
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03:28:54JdGordoneveryone is
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03:30:26Traveler2somehow I'm not, I tried opening files under notes and it shows nothing or once I set it to show all files and select a text file I'm told it doesn't know what to do with that type of file
03:31:49psycho_maniacupdate to the latest build
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03:33:02JdGordonTraveler2: 1) read the manual, 2) hold select > open with > viewer
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03:34:39PerdignusHello - I just installed Rockbox on a Nano iPod tonight and I'm simply amazed, even the video player is excellent!
03:36:54Traveler2there is nothing listed under open with
03:37:10PerdignusIs Rockbox linux?
03:37:14scorcheno
03:37:26psycho_maniacTraveler2: just click on the txt file it should open
03:37:40scorcheTraveler2: is it a txt file?
03:37:50anap40can someone help me install a theme that I downloaded the zip file for? I don't see instructions for how to do so in the manual. And when i use the rockbox utility to get themes from online it says no themes found.
03:38:17Traveler2I tried with both .txt files and a file I saved with the text editor on rockbox
03:38:22scorcheanap40: the themes repository is undergoing changes atm
03:38:31PerdignusIs Rockbox written in C?
03:38:44psycho_maniacanap40: just extract the zip to the root of the drive
03:38:44safetydanPerdignus: yes
03:38:46Traveler2my install is the bleeding source compiled for ipod, is it possible that viewer isn't included there?
03:39:04anap40scorche: is there a way to manually install a theme that I downloaded though?
03:39:12safetydanTraveler2: it sounds like you haven't copied the plugins and viewers that should be part of the build
03:39:14scorcheunzip it
03:39:23anap40to where?
03:39:31anap40the ipod?
03:39:38PerdignusWell, all I have to say is WOW! I've been disappointed with iPodLinux for more than a year, and Rockbox blows it away!
03:40:08Traveler2yea I agree perdignus, game plugins seem to run much faster
03:40:51PerdignusIs there a picture slideshow app?
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03:41:55safetydanPerdignus: there's the JPEG viewer plugin but you'll have to manually go to the next image
03:42:28anap40did someone try to pm me, i see that i had some popups blocked, if not can someone help me out with installing a theme from a zip file
03:43:13hcssafetydan: no, it has a slideshow mode to advance automatically
03:43:27safetydananap40: unzip it on your ipod. If it's a properly constructed theme it should unzip in to the right place
03:44:16safetydanhcs: that'll learn me for looking at the wiki first and the manual second
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03:47:30Traveler2okay, able to open text files now, thanks
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03:57:06PerdignusWhat's the most popular media player around here? I'm playing with my wife's Nano but the Archos line of products look really nice.
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04:08:59safetydanPerdignus: be aware that none of the recent archos models are supported. If you want Rockbox support, look at this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
04:09:40Perdignussafetydan thanks
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04:15:21safetydanJdGordon: I assume you're on the case to fix the m-robe build?
04:15:41safetydannice bit of byte saving as well
04:15:58*safetydan wants long term graphs of bin size
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04:19:31crzyboysterLlorean: do you want to start commiting some of the default theme ports into svn?
04:19:56crzyboysterlike the ipod video and gigabeat?
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04:50:57insanepyroHi, I need some help with my Rock Box. I updated the firmware a couple days ago, and now my windows XP will not recognize my Ipod 80gb with Rock Box on it. What should I do or where should I start. I cant access the ipod at all through my usb drive!
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04:56:57insanepyroHi, I need some help with my Rock Box. I updated the firmware a couple days ago, and now my windows XP will not recognize my Ipod 80gb with Rock Box on it. What should I do or where should I start. I cant access the ipod at all through my usb drive!
04:58:37krazykitinsanepyro, are you booting into emergency disk mode or the original firmware?/
04:59:04advcomp2019insanepyro, plus you do not need to repeat yourself
04:59:12insanepyrooriginal as in the rock box firmware
04:59:24insanepyrosorry
04:59:39krazykitinsanepyro, no, original as in apple firmware
04:59:49krazykitrockbox does not have USB support on iPods yet.
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05:00:44insanepyrothats odd krazy, i've been adding and removing files for about 2 months on my ipod with rockbox using the usb port...
05:01:11krazykitinsanepyro, you've probably been using emergency disk mode.
05:02:17insanepyroso how do I go about adding and removing my music? Is there a way to boot back into emergency disk mode like I have been doing?
05:03:06krazykitinsanepyro, this is covered in the manual.
05:03:21insanepyrothanks
05:03:39insanepyro:/
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05:15:56JdGordonsafetydan: bah, completly forgot abouit the mrobe :p
05:16:15JdGordonnot as much green as i was hoping.. but still green
05:17:00eigmahey Jd :)
05:17:05JdGordonhey hey
05:17:08JdGordonhows things?
05:17:12eigmapretty good
05:17:17JdGordonfinshed exams?
05:17:19eigmajust finished my last exam friday
05:17:21eigmayep! :D
05:17:23*eigma is very happy
05:17:25JdGordoncongrats
05:18:37eigmaI thought I heard the mrobe build was broken?
05:20:08JdGordonyeah, i redid the list drawing code and forgot about it
05:20:10JdGordonfixing it now
05:21:31JdGordonany interesting developments with the dsp? :p
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05:25:55eigmanah, haven't touched it
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05:51:02webguest89hi i was just looking at the picture flow plugin and i can't find where to download it? please help? :)
05:52:15advcomp2019webguest89, it is in the addons already
05:52:26webguest89oh...
05:52:35hcswebguest89: plugins are included with rockbox
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05:53:41webguest89um i want to download the new rock box and install it on my ipod video....is there a way to install it without erasing all my backdrops and all my rockboy game saves?
05:54:08safetydanwebguest89: unzipping a new rockbox build on to your iPod should not overwrite those sort of things
05:54:51webguest89ok...it did last time i did it but i'll try again. thank you! :)
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06:02:21safetydanwell it depends on your unzipping program
06:02:31safetydanif it's dumb, then it will probably overwrite
06:03:45webguest89i have another question. i'm looking at some kind of patch that says the i can zoom into pictures without stopping playback. how do i install that on my ipod?
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06:04:45BoBisChriScould someone link me to the manual for an 80 Gb iPod 5th gen please?
06:05:03scorcheBoBisChriS: can you not find it from www.rockbox.org?
06:05:14BoBisChriSi havnt checked
06:05:20BoBisChriSi was just asking for a link..
06:05:23BoBisChriSthats all
06:05:50scorchethen check
06:06:10BoBisChriSsigh... ok, i will
06:06:27BoBisChriSwell... perhaps you can answer my question
06:06:50BoBisChriSis there a radio plugin for it?
06:07:06scorcheradio requires hardware
06:07:21BoBisChriSwhich i have
06:07:38BoBisChriSand where can i find a list of downloadable plugins?
06:07:43scorchean ipod accessory?
06:07:43webguest89please help....if you know anything i've been trying to find out how to install that for a really long time.... :)
06:07:56scorcheinstall what?
06:08:26scorcheBoBisChriS: plugins arent downloadable (well, not like you currently imagine it)...all plugins are included with rockbox
06:08:51BoBisChriSplugins are not being developed by users?
06:08:57hcsscorche: he wants a pictureflow patch
06:09:09BoBisChriSlol... i want that too!
06:09:35scorcheBoBisChriS: they are, but when they are complete and done correctly, they are then committed to SVN
06:10:02BoBisChriSwhat is SVN?
06:10:28scorchea version control system
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06:13:15webguest26i have rockbox instaled
06:13:31webguest26I have rockbox installed
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06:14:03webguest26and how do I go back to my iPod
06:15:26safetydanwebguest89: you need to make your own build to be able to use patches
06:15:31BigBambiwebguest26: You check the manual
06:15:43BigBambiIt nicely desribes the dual-boot feature
06:15:46webguest89how do youy guys know how i can use the plugin for the picture flow on my ipod?
06:16:07webguest89it already comes with the new rockbox right?
06:16:23scorcheyes...as has been said
06:16:39BigBambiwebguest89: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginPictureFlow
06:17:13BoBisChriSis there a way to play avi?
06:17:15webguest89i just checked that but i still dont know hot to use it?
06:17:29BigBambiBoBisChriS: By converting it to MPEG
06:17:43scorcheBoBisChriS: avi isnt a video format...it is just a container
06:17:49BigBambiwebguest89: What particularly is the problem? We aren't psychic
06:18:45webguest89i dont't know how to look at the album art like that. do i go to plugins the picture flow or something?
06:18:58BoBisChriScan i convert it into mpeg inside of rockbox?
06:19:30scorcheBoBisChriS: no...that would take a loooong time to encode a video on a DAP
06:19:32BigBambiBoBisChriS: No, that is fat too processor intensive
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06:19:55BigBambiwebguest89: Yes, it helps to run a plugin if you start it
06:20:20BigBambiBoBisChriS - think how long it takes to convert on your nice fast PC. Then imaging it on a DAP
06:20:59webguest89oh ok thank you! thank for the info bye! :)
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06:36:20BoBisChriSwhat should i use to convert avi to mpeg?
06:36:42scorchethere are many suggestions in the wiki
06:37:09BoBisChriSand your favorite?
06:37:31scorchei dont have one, as i dont watch movies on my DAP
06:37:32Mouser_XPluginMpegplayer
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06:37:44Mouser_X^ Check that.
06:37:59BigBambiBoBisChriS: WinFF is a nice FFMPEG frontend on windows
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06:49:30BoBisChriSwhats up with the rockbox utility?
06:50:20BoBisChriSits not working properly
06:50:55scorcheit helps to specify...
06:51:03BoBisChriSwell everything
06:51:19scorchethat isnt specifying
06:51:25BoBisChriSi tried to use it to do my initial install.. it didnt work at all
06:51:47scorchekeep specifying.. (what did it do, etc)
06:53:41BoBisChriSwell... right now, im trying to install the base files for doom; it shows the progress window, and says : downloading file rockdoom.zip 0%
06:53:49BoBisChriSand stays there
06:59:03BoBisChriShow do i get the latest svn?
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07:00:00scorchethat is said in the manual
07:02:33BoBisChriSi do not understand how it says it in the manual
07:02:45DogBoyheh
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07:04:44DogBoymaybe read this instead BoBisChriS catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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07:08:28BoBisChriSthanks douch bag, its not my fault that the people, here, in the HELP chat only help by telling you to read the manual......
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07:08:48JoshWharsh
07:09:12scorchei certainly would like to know how we can make "You
07:09:12scorchecan download the current build from http://build.rockbox.org/.
07:09:13eigmahahaha
07:09:19scorcheeasier to understand
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07:09:45eigmasome people just don't want to be helped
07:10:11DogBoyhe misspelled douch bag too
07:10:22DogBoydoh, so did I
07:10:26Mouser_Xlol
07:10:29eigmahaha
07:10:38hcsprendre une douche
07:10:47hcs*un?
07:10:55eigmaune
07:11:07hcsarigato
07:11:20eigmamr. roboto?
07:11:29JdGordon:)
07:11:33*JdGordon was thinikign the same
07:18:34BigBambiWho is taking a shower?
07:19:07hcsNemo
07:19:17BigBambiAha, makes sense :)
07:22:09*scorche is lost
07:23:22*BigBambi hands over a map
07:23:30BigBambi<−−−− you are here
07:23:43BigBambiBut I am over there −−−−>
07:23:53Mouser_XHeh.
07:24:13*Mouser_X is *WAY* over there −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−->
07:24:24Mouser_X(to the 10th power)
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07:27:45jharujust like to thank the rockbox team for helping me! kugel build rocks my sansa to the core!!!
07:28:05Mouser_XRockbox rocks my box any day.
07:28:09JoshWdual core
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07:32:29jharucould use some adjustments though (i dont play doom)
07:32:52Mouser_XNeither do I. What's your point?
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07:35:42jharunothin, just sayin what i think...
07:36:40Mouser_XWell, I mean is, what needs adjusting?
07:36:55Mouser_X*what I mean
07:38:08jharuthe demo for the picture flow. hope it will support autoadjustments and jpeg files
07:38:30jharualso it kinda lag at some point...
07:38:46BigBambiIt is hardly the most important function
07:39:04BigBambiBut if someone works on it, it will improve
07:39:44jharubut still one of the most efficient if developed (the picflow)
07:40:37BigBambiI disagree
07:40:48BigBambiIt would take ages for me to scroll through all those albums
07:40:54BigBambiBut then I dislike the database
07:41:03*Mouser_X doesn't use the database.
07:41:11BigBambiIt is fine as an alternative, but no way would I use it
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07:41:19Mouser_XIt's a nightmare-ish mess, on my player.
07:41:21BigBambiFiletree all the way for me
07:41:30JoshWindeed
07:41:35Mouser_XSID files don't like the database much.
07:41:38BigBambiI like pictureflow as a coll bit of flashiness for a couple of minutes
07:41:51BigBambiBut give me a filetree to actually efficiently select music anyday
07:42:03Mouser_X^ This is why I use Rockbox.
07:42:19BigBambiNot the sole reason for me, but important
07:42:35BigBambiI won't use a player that requires me to use special software to transfer, or a database etc
07:42:49BigBambiOne of the main reasons I bought a H140 back in the day
07:44:27jharuwhy not put a search query on the pic flow? that'll make it.
07:44:29evtsame here
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07:44:53JamPSNot worth having a DRM-player
07:45:16JamPSThis rockbox system rocks my pants
07:45:46jharulike put the name of album artist and it will search all albums by that artist.
07:45:47BigBambiI'm not against it if people want to use it, but it will never for me be as easy as just a plain filetree (or even normal database)
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07:46:06scorchejharu: feel free to submit a patch :)
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07:47:07jharuif i knew how, i would. just dloaded vmware and debian. still figurin everythin out...
07:47:15BigBambiI essentially have a mix or album and artist in my file tree - normally it is /music/artist/album etc. but I might also have /music/album if it is various or /music/composer or /music/performer. I know I could do that with database with creative use of tags, but filetree is so much easier (for me)
07:48:11Mouser_XAll my stuff is from video games. Thus, organizing by artist is impractical, since many games are composed by multiple artists.
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07:48:36Mouser_XAnd, because they're video game formats, the database usually handles the files very poorly.
07:49:30BigBambiThere is that too.
07:49:33jharubigbambi: just shows you are not organized, lol (one of the first things you learn as a database management student. yay to oracle sql!!!)
07:50:28jharuthats why a search query is essential... so it can search through the various files easy...
07:50:31BigBambiI can see the advantage of the database if you want to say have a playlist of all music from 1992, or all in a certain genre etc., but just for playing albums like me, filetree all the way. Above all I like flexability and not being forced to do it one way because someone else decided it was better
07:51:00BigBambijharu. But I am organised, I have my filetree organised exactly how I want it
07:51:35BigBambiThe point is, I don't want to have to use a search query - I just have an alphabetical list where everything is where I want it
07:51:56jharuorganised but not standardized. ;]
07:51:58*amiconn agrees with BigBambi
07:52:10amiconnFiletree all the way - much easier to find things this way
07:52:16BigBambistandardized in what way?
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07:52:37JamPSdatabase is not so useful when you have no keyboard
07:52:37jharuwell anyways its just a suggestion so i wont push it anymore ;)
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07:53:17BigBambijharu - I'm all for it if people want it, I'm just saying I won't use it and I would strongly object to any effort to make it default
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07:53:29BigBambiBut as an option, sure, why not
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07:54:37jharuJamps. use the scrollwheel (sansa user, sorry...)
07:54:42BigBambiEach to their own - I find filetree easier - you prefer database - welcome to the wonderful world of rockbox!
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07:54:47JamPSjharu, yea but still
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07:55:00JamPSfiletree is so much faster
07:55:42JoshWif it had symbolic links then it would be perfect
07:55:44Mouser_XAs I said, the filetree browsing is one of the biggest reasons I use Rockbox.
07:55:48BigBambiThat is the beauty of rockbox, I can use filetree and others can use database, as one or other of us hasn't made the ecision for the other based on our own preferences
07:56:00BigBambi*decision
07:56:22jharusymbolic links?
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07:56:55JoshWyeah, make it work like a database
07:56:59BigBambiJoshW: Did I have the discussion with symbolic links with you in the forum? Where I said you can't do that with FAT32 and suggested using one track m3u files? Did you try that? Does it work?
07:57:05JoshWno
07:57:23BigBambijharu: A sylink is a link in one directory that points at a file in another
07:57:23JoshWas in, it wasnt me
07:57:33jharuwhahhhh vm crashed. nuooooo!!!!
07:57:40BigBambiJoshW: Ah OK - well there is your answer right above :)
07:58:13amiconnYou *can* have some kind of symbolic links on fat32 - it takes a bit of re though
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07:59:36BigBambiamiconn: I stand corrected - do they work as we normally think of them, and is it hard?
07:59:49BigBambiI thought it was out of spec (but I haven't actually read the specs :))
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08:00:23JamPSThis new(?) automatic bookmarking feature rocks!
08:00:35amiconnNot entirely. Windows uses those .lnk files, which would need a bit of re to use them properly (i.e. compatible with windows)
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08:01:05BigBambiSo is it more of a windows feature than a FAT32 thing?
08:01:17amiconnBasically they are plain files on fat32, the extension ".lnk" is just hidden in windows
08:01:29BigBambiOK
08:01:45BigBambiSo Windows deals with it, and to FAT32 they are just another file
08:01:51amiconnSo they are not true symlinks, but behave very similar
08:01:59BigBambiOK, cheers
08:02:17BigBambiSeems to me if someone wants a similar thing on rockbox for music files they could just use a m3u
08:02:39amiconnThat would work for music, but not for e.g. photos
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08:03:26BigBambiYep
08:03:40BigBambiIt is a limited workaround though
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08:15:54BigBambiWhoo, fixed it
08:16:04BigBambiI accidently modified someone's post with my answer
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08:16:52BigBambiLlorean: For the logs, if you wonder from your logs what all that odd modifying I did was, see above :)
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09:12:36phrhey petur
09:12:44phris that you on tapers section?
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09:53:16jharuok... im kinda confused when i do the svn thing. i went as far as "../tools/configure" but does it really have this much things placed in it? and seems i cant make zip files.
09:53:54jharuim using vmware btw
09:55:08GodEater_jharu: you'll have to be a bit more specific with your question. What's the problem ?
09:56:59jharuas i said i typed ../tools/configure and a ton of c and h files greeted me. its still showing on my screen waiting for it to finish. i also cant do make zip command.
09:58:00peturand where were you when you typed that?
09:59:03jharucd build_e200
09:59:33peturand it presented you with a table of targets to choose from?
09:59:40jharuis this what you asked?
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10:00:15jharuin target you mean this endless c and h files yes.
10:00:56jharusvn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox
10:01:00jharucd rockbox
10:01:00jharumkdir build_h120
10:01:00jharucd build_h120
10:01:00DBUGEnqueued KICK jharu
10:01:00jharu../tools/configure
10:01:01peturno, it should print out a list of players with numbers in front and ask which one you need
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10:02:10jharui typed all this written on the wiki typing instead e200 for the h one
10:02:38markunafter configure did you type 'make' ?
10:02:52LinusNyou mean you typed "mkdir build_e200" ?
10:03:29jharuno. it started sending the .c and the .h files before i typed the make
10:03:56jharulinusn, yes followed it like a book...
10:04:23peturjharu: maybe you should copy the output to pastebin to show us
10:05:00jharusvn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox
10:05:04jharucd rockbox
10:05:04jharumkdir build_h120
10:05:04jharucd build_h120
10:05:04jharu../tools/configure
10:05:14jharusorry. lol wrong post
10:05:25peturdon't paste in here
10:05:53peturuse something like http://pastebin.ca/
10:07:21jharucant copy it. but it goes like rockbox/apps/gui/yesno.c and so on and so forth.... hey it ended at last....
10:09:10jharui'll just retry it maybe i made a mistake...
10:14:15jharuseems i did make it to the make part. but is it really this big?
10:17:04markunjharu: what does your last "it" refer to?
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10:17:10GodEater_it's pretty big yes
10:17:25GodEater_~1870 source files by my count
10:21:18jharuseems like a lot of headwork for my custom gui... once i make this in zip will it compile using borlan c? or i still have to use vmware?
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10:22:19BonusbartusHi
10:22:40Bonusbartusanyone here who can help me with my iriver h340?
10:23:19GodEater_jharu: what are you talking about ? Once you've done "make" it doesn't need any more compiling...
10:24:37scorcheBonusbartus: in order to do that, you must first say your problem ;)
10:24:56jharusorry. im new to vm so i dont know heads or tails.
10:25:09Bonusbartushehe big problem
10:25:27BonusbartusI am thinking about RMAíng my player
10:25:36jharubunusbartus, say it they may fix it.
10:25:59Bonusbartusproblem: battery empty very fast, in latest versions the hdd just keeps spinning, and the music keeps stuttering
10:26:14GodEater_jharu: at no point will you able to compile any part of rockbox (except possibily the sim, and even then I doubt it) with Borland.
10:26:27BonusbartusI first thought it was a broken hdd, but in the iriver firmware I don't have the problem
10:26:34Bonusbartusso I am not sure now...
10:27:03BonusbartusI'm now doing an error scan on my pc, but it doesnt give any errors
10:27:12Bonusbartustill now :)
10:27:51peturBonusbartus: maybe rename/remove the .rockbox tree and do a fresh install?
10:28:18BonusbartusI did, at first I didn't have problems, but after a few hours it got even worse
10:28:34Bonusbartusat first only with a few songs, but now with everything
10:28:41peturstrange
10:29:04jharudid you drop your unit by any chance?
10:29:23Bonusbartusnope
10:29:26peturwell you can't rma it with rockbox installed and it's no use if the OF works fine of course
10:29:48Bonusbartuswell, the battery is empty too soon in the of too
10:30:11jharu must be the batt then
10:30:24peturand you still have warranty on that?
10:31:03Bonusbartuswell that doesnt explain the stuttering music and spinning hdd, It does that too when connected to my car adapter or any other power source
10:31:13Bonusbartusyep till march 9 2008
10:31:31Bonusbartusmust be about the last 340 they sold :P
10:31:59peturwell if you can make it go wrong with the OF then I'd rma it (flash normal firmware first and remove all traces of rockbox)
10:32:19peturotoh, could be they return you another model!
10:32:52BonusbartusI know, but they will ask u nicely first, I could always ask to send back my damaged player and repair it myself
10:33:00Bonusbartusnew hdd and battery on ebay
10:34:08Bonusbartusbut in the past 3 months, did anything change to the iriver port that could explain my problem?
10:34:23peturit is working fine on mine...
10:34:43jharu?? but hdd spins right? it uses a spindle? and is known to make skipping (just like in my pc.) amd maybe if power from battery is powerful enough it can damage the hdd by power surge.
10:35:27peturjharu, do you even know what a spindle is?
10:36:17pixelmaBonusbartus: what Rockbox revision are you running exactly?
10:36:18jharui mean needle.
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10:37:52Bonusbartusuhm now one from misticriver, the build from dimension sibi, before that I tried darkies build, which had some problems from the start and before that I used the latest norbusans build
10:38:20#>>"explain custom" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
10:38:36BonusbartusI know I know
10:38:41peturtry an official build first please
10:39:10jharuwhoa?! logbot command!
10:39:11BonusbartusI will, after hdTune is done doing an error scan of the hdd
10:40:02Bonusbartusbut the build I use isn't realy a "heavily patched" build
10:40:54Bonusbartushttp://www.misticriver.net/forums/rockbox-h10-series/56236-h10-5-6gb-custom-build.html#post579180
10:40:56pixelmaBonusbartus: I don't know how old that is or which svn revision that is build on (and don't want to know) but it could be that it is made of an svn revision after MoB was committed but before a lot of related bug fixes that came later...
10:41:30Bonusbartuswhat is MoB?
10:41:52GodEater_Metadata On Buffer
10:41:55pixelmapetur: your turn ;)
10:42:14#>>"explain MoB" by pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma)
10:42:57Bonusbartuswell the build is from december 8
10:43:07peturlol
10:43:50advcomp2019Bonusbartus, how are you using a h10 build on a h340
10:44:04peturstill... try the official build and then we'll tell you we still don't know...
10:44:28Bonusbartusthats not the build, it's a multi patch, dimension sibi used it on the h340 build
10:44:38BonusbartusI will :)
10:45:03Bonusbartushdtune is at 60%, 10MB/sec
10:50:12jharuim getting a working copy 'rockbox ' locked message
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10:53:46peturLinusN: did you see this Samsung drive? HS122JC is a 120GB PATA 1.8" :)
10:54:06peturATA7
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10:55:08Zagornice, someone still makes pata drives
10:55:38amiconnpetur: what connector?
10:55:47jharuwhats pata? i know sata but not pata
10:55:54GodEater_parallel ATA
10:56:02GodEater_i.e. the old one before SATA came along
10:56:04bjorn`"ide"
10:56:04peturamiconn: that is the question
10:56:30Zagorit's listed as "50 Pins?" in our wiki
10:56:39Zagorhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement
10:56:57pondlifeHmm, that's confusing me
10:57:12peturyeah, added yesterday probably, he was going to ask an ebayer about it
10:57:35pondlifeSo the new Toshiba drive has the right pinout for an H300?
10:57:51peturmaybe
10:57:59pondlifehaha, good answer
10:58:08pixelmaSamsung... Toshiba...?
10:58:12pondlifeUs H380 users need some more cash
10:58:15pondlifeToshiba, sorry
10:58:34pondlifeI'm at cross-purposes
10:58:35peturon the samsung site, these are marked PATA and the others ZIF/PATA so there is hope
10:58:46pixelmawell, petur was talking about a Samsung one
10:58:55pondlifeYep, I see now.
10:59:04CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:59:04*petur wonders if that would make an h420 :)
10:59:36amiconnpetur: Btw, could you check the disk type in your H10 pure and fill in HardDriveReplacement?
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11:00:07peturisn't the pure one with radio?
11:00:24pondlifeI was hinking of http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14424.msg108057;topicseen#msg108057
11:00:29pondlifethinking, even
11:01:44jharudarn this is my third attemp to crack vm. it says build already exist...
11:02:08pixelmayaaays... plugin button actions strike once again and their weird (too simple) usage in some (most, all?) plugins that implement them... :(
11:02:34markunjharu: are you stuck at 'configure' or 'make' or 'make zip'?
11:03:32jharuas far as cd rockbox. when i type mkdir it says there is already a build
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11:04:04JoshWtype 'cd build'
11:04:38peturjhara: you really don't know what you're typing... mkdir = make directory
11:05:23jharui know but thats what vm is telling me. and its haru not hara
11:06:05Bagderjharu: so either use the dir again or remove it and recreate it
11:06:53jharui did. erased and reextract the debian
11:07:17Bagderso it probably contains the build dir already
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11:07:56BagderI spoke of the build dir only
11:08:00Bagdernot the entire installation
11:08:08amiconnpetur: The pure is the one without radio
11:08:32peturok, I probably need to open it up?
11:09:09*GodEater_ likes the new Web 2.0 BBC home page
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11:09:37peturamiconn: nevermind, debug menu works
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11:11:10Bonusbartuswell then, HDTune didn't find any bad sectors, Newest rockbox build is installed, so off I go, testing my h340 with non-custom rockbox buil
11:11:39BonusbartusI'll report my findings later
11:11:45jharuis it supposed to open up something when i type cd build_e200? i never made it to mkdir...
11:12:06jharuit started like this again...
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11:16:44Bagderjharu: open up?
11:16:50Bagderyou're using a command line shell
11:16:57Bagderyou change current directory with cd
11:17:04JoshWopen up a directory?
11:17:14Bagderimo, you should rather read up on how to use a shell before you try this further
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11:18:01jharuim still waiting vm to finish what its doing. its currently in rockbox/apps/plugins
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11:18:15Bagderyou mean it's compiling?
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11:18:32jharu i think so
11:18:36Bagder"vm" does nothing but to run the host os
11:18:43Bagderit is gcc that compiles
11:19:07Bagderah guest os being the term vmware use
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11:20:25jharuthe rockbox one is "compiling" waiting to show the "user$debian"
11:20:43Bagderthe rockbox one?
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11:24:10jharui extracted the debian.7z and clicked the rockbox.vmx(?) vm showed the logo. i went x-shells/eterm then svn co svn://... till cd rockbox. was still typing the mkdir when the .c and .h files started rampaging the screen.
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11:27:01LloreanSounds like it's still performing the svn checkout
11:29:01jharuwell ill just wait till it finishes...
11:29:31markunthat's always a good idea
11:29:43markunI think you are just a bit impatient
11:31:50jharuthe guide never said anything like this. just that its easy to compile. and never said if you type cd rockbox wait for this and that...
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11:32:24Bagderjharu: thousands of people still managed to do this...
11:32:32markunjharu: after you are done you can try to improve the guide
11:32:39Lloreanjharu: It's the "svn co svn://" bit that's still running
11:33:02Bagderand you'll need to wait for all commands to finish before you can continue to the next step
11:33:42BagderI guess there could be a mention that the svn command might take a while
11:34:50*GodEater_ just checked out Linus' kernel git tree - took nearly an hour.
11:34:57Bagderhehe
11:35:05Bagderwell that's slightly bigger than rockbox too
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11:35:55GodEater_somewhat ;)
11:36:34Bagdera full svn co rockbox is a little over 100MB
11:37:52GodEater_we're catching up then
11:38:02GodEater_Linus's tree is around 500MB - so we're at 20% of Linux ;)
11:39:21Bagderor 5x as good? ;-)
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11:39:54Bagderlinux (2.6.20) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 5,195,245
11:40:03GodEater_Rockbox, now with 5x less bloat than Linux(tm)
11:40:09Bagderrockbox (svn) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 494,670
11:40:17Bagderthat's a factor >10x
11:40:46Bagderand I bet 2.6.20 is smaller than the current ;-)
11:40:47GodEater_curious - I wonder why the directory is so much smaller than that would suggest
11:41:06GodEater_very short lines of source code ? ;)
11:41:46pixelmadifference between svn and git?
11:41:58Bagderthis kernel tree is 280MB
11:42:04Bagdervs rockbox's ~100
11:42:33pixelmathat 100MB is with all the .svn doubles though, or?
11:42:54Bagderno, my ~src/rockbox is actually 222 MB including everything
11:43:10pixelmaah, ok
11:43:17Bagderwhich I figure should be twice the data amount
11:43:39Bagderand I erased my build dirs before I check
11:44:41Bagdersomething is strange here
11:44:55Bagder100*MB/494670 makes 211 bytes per LOC
11:45:25JoshWthat doesnt sound right
11:45:48JoshWis fonts included?
11:45:55Bagderaaah yes
11:46:12Bagderthe fonts are 30MB alone
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11:46:39Bagderand a bunch more are bitmaps
11:47:13Bagderhaha... and manual
11:47:23Bagderat 10MB
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11:50:41daurnimatorBagder: sounds?
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11:51:37Bagderno, we have no sounds in svn
11:51:41Bagderbut we have WPSes...
11:52:03Bagderso actually the larger part of the 100MB are not source
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11:53:44jharuthis thing is so sloooowwwww......
11:54:52Bagderwell, the svn server is not slow
11:55:01Lloreanjharu: If it's the check out, it's dependent on your internet connection speed
11:56:30jharumaybe coz im in a wireless network...
11:57:56BagderI'm always on wireless, and I can't say I have slow access
11:59:10jharuthen i dont know why. maybe because my mate here uses the latest 17" macbook and im using a crummy old desktop
11:59:43Bagderit's probably because you have a crummy connection from whereever you are to the svn server in Sweden
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12:01:09jharuargh that means i cant do this offline? or just until i comleted the compiling? and fyi my net speed is 4 mbps
12:01:26Bagderyou can only get stuff from the svn server when online, yes
12:02:01*petur wonders what jharu is going to do with the code
12:03:32markunjharu: but you don't need an internet connection for the actual compiling ('make')
12:04:03jharupetur, well im gonna learn it and do some refresh course on this. maybee make a patch or two ;D
12:05:50jharumarkun, so it is downloadin... i taugth it was extractin that 217 mb debian thing...
12:06:23daurnimatorhey markun
12:07:37pixelmaLlorean: is it true that you got the html manual building under cygwin for you (i.e. successfully installed tex4ht there)? (someone mentioned that yesterday who thought he had heard it)
12:08:03Lloreanpixelma: A *long* time ago, I remember doing so.
12:08:33LloreanBack then all I needed were the two tetex packages, tex4ht and some package for UCS support.
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12:09:54pixelmaI would be interested. When I tried I failed to figure out how to install the tex4ht package manually (mainly the changes to the paths that are mentioned there).
12:10:02GodEater_time result for a complete virgin svn co under less than ideal conditions for me is 5m45.606s
12:10:31pixelmaLlorean: maybe something else but can't tell you more because I didn't get far
12:10:35markunhi daurnimator
12:10:46GodEater_via my VPN over 8Mb/s and a variety of encrypting / decrypting of stuff :)
12:11:02Lloreanpixelma: I really don't remember what I did. It must've been nearly a year ago, I think.
12:11:46pixelmain case you ever try again...
12:12:30jharuwell good for you godeater... hope i finish this before going home.
12:12:32LloreanIf I ever do I'll let you know
12:12:52LloreanSince I'm on Linux now, it's probably not too likely that I'll be wrestling with Cygwin though. :)
12:13:29Flemmardi'll try time svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox
12:13:29Flemmard:p
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12:13:50pixelmaLlorean: keeping your secret knowledge? Nooo... ;(
12:13:50Flemmard8.184u 7.488s 0:39.71 39.4% 0+0k 0+0io 29pf+0w
12:14:09Flemmard233M rockbox/
12:14:31jharudarn im stuck at rockbox/fonts/courb08.bdf....
12:14:39Flemmardnot to slow :)
12:14:57Lloreanpixelma: Considering it was a long time ago, it's also possible I'm remembering getting it working with VMWare and merely thinking it was Cygwin... I just *think* I got it working back then.
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12:16:44jharuanyway i can do this while offline? (after the compiling)
12:16:54Lloreanjharu: You aren't compiling
12:17:02LloreanYou're downloading the source code
12:17:09LloreanYou can do the compiling part offline.
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12:17:58pixelmaLlorean: ok, thanks anyway. (just hoped you knew more, btw. IIRC pondlife also tried and failed).
12:18:11yoavkHow do I compile a plugin written in C using cygwin?
12:18:43Lloreanpixelma: Well, it's entirely possible I didn't succeed and have confused memories. Sorry I can't help more with this one
12:18:46peturyoavk: add it to the SOURCES file and do a normal make
12:19:46yoavkhow do I do that? (sorry for ignorance, its my first try)
12:19:56jharustill lagging... zzzzzz.....
12:20:23peturyoavk: can you compile rockbox yourself already?
12:20:34yoavkI didn't try
12:21:00peturdo that first then...
12:21:10yoavkOK thanks
12:21:25peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
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12:45:23yoavkMy user name has a space in it. how can I run cygwin correctly?
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12:46:33Bagderyoavk: I'd suggest by placing the rockbox files in a dir that doesn't have a space in the name
12:47:04yoavkBadger: My problem is that cygwin creates my home dir with a space
12:47:59Bagderthen don't put the rockbox files in there
12:48:25yoavkbut how can I build it if its not there?
12:48:37LinusNyou can place the rockbox files anywhere
12:49:04jharualright now time to simulate!!!
12:49:38LinusNyoavk: for example, you can reach the C: drive with /cygdrive/c in cygwin
12:50:02LinusNso you can have C:\rockbox as your development directory
12:50:13yoavkOK thank you!
12:50:13LinusNi.e use /cygdrive/c/rockbox
12:53:48jharuafter dl the source, can i copy it and set it up on my home desktop? it doesnt have net access so i cant use the svn co svn://
12:54:06markunjharu: you only need to do the checkout 1 time
12:54:41markunafter that you can update the rockbox source by typing "svn up" in your source tree
12:55:42LinusNjharu: you can copy it around as much as you want, but make sure that the path to it doesn't contain spaces
12:56:43LloreanLinusN: jharu is our vmware user, I think
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12:57:05*LinusN polishes his glasses
12:57:18Lloreanjharu: You'll want net access so you can update to the newest version of the source, but as long as you're not concerned about that, you can copy the image to any computer you like and work on it there.
12:57:19GodEater_I think I've found a playback bug on my gigabeat: If you use the folder skip feature (short click next, long click next), you get no sound from the first track in the new folder until you pause and then play again
12:58:18GodEater_this is r15914
12:58:26GodEater_so not completely up to date
12:58:48*GodEater_ updates to latest version
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13:01:01jharucant seem to find the simulator i created...
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13:03:24markunjharu: should be in the build directory. Just run ./rockboxui
13:03:35Bagderafter you've done 'make install' ...
13:03:56markunjharu: which guide are you following?
13:04:29jharuvmwaredevt.platform twiki
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13:05:30Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator
13:05:38Bagderseems much more suitable
13:06:55jharuk thanx
13:07:06jharuthanks, my bad lol
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13:13:07GodEater_false alarm - new version doesn't do this with playback.
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13:18:01pixelmavery weird, in a mini (2nd gen) sim I can find the "Wake-Up Alarm" Option but not the "Alarm Wake up Screen" option as on other targets (btw. "Wake-Up" <> "Wake up" is no typo from me here, must be in some inconsistency in english.lang
13:18:06yoavkHow do I compile a plugin written in C using cygwin?
13:18:26*petur hears echoes
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13:18:43*GodEater_ does too
13:19:17peturyoavk: can you build rockbox already?
13:19:22yoavkyes
13:19:50peturgood. now place the .c file in the plugins directory and add it to the SOURCES file
13:20:34peturit's all in apps/plugins/
13:20:54yoavkwhere do I add it in the file?
13:21:12pixelmawhat plugin is this?
13:21:37peturyoavk: to test, right at the top
13:21:49jharuoi?! tried metronome and my unit vanished?!
13:21:51yoavkpetur: thanx
13:22:15yoavkpetur: do I need to recompile rockbox to test the plugin?
13:22:20peturjharu: black hole software?
13:22:38peturyoavk: yes, do a make and it should compile it too
13:22:43jharuno i meant the sim.
13:22:55yoavkpetur: thank you
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13:37:44jharui tried ti type make zip after i had my fun on the sim but cant find where it was placed... any ideas? vmware user...
13:38:05jac0b-workis there a bmp resize implented into rb now
13:38:32Nico_Pjac0b-work: yes
13:38:41GodEater_jharu: make zip doesn't do much for the simulator build, you'll need to reconfigure for your actual target
13:38:46Nico_Pbut it's not used for AA, only by pictureflow
13:38:57jac0b-workso the bmp resize is not needed anymore
13:39:18jac0b-workopp
13:39:33jac0b-workso you need bmp resize for AA
13:39:51Nico_Pif you mean the bmp resize patch, then yes
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13:42:15jharuhow to reconfigure? type make?
13:42:16jac0b-workwhen I apply that patch I get a make error
13:42:27GodEater_jharu: no, ../tools/configure again
13:42:42jharuohhh, forgot...
13:43:53jharuthen what next...
13:44:17jharuset it to e200 btw
13:46:16GodEater_once you've done the configure
13:46:26GodEater_do "make clean", then "make", and finally "make zip"
13:47:43jac0b-workdoes anyone else get a make error with the bmp resize patch applied?
13:48:17jharuim still stuck at choosing advance basic etc. on e200
13:48:32GodEater_jharu: just choose basic
13:48:40LinusN(N)ormal
13:49:01GodEater_yeah that :)
13:49:03GodEater_hehe
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13:50:34pixelmaas (n) is default, one could also just hit enter
13:50:43jharuthis is gonna take a while to master...
13:53:03jharubtw what is this sid?
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13:53:42GodEater_the version of debian
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13:56:00jac0b-workdoes anyone use the bmp resize patch?
13:56:28LinusNjac0b-work: i don't think any of the developers use it
13:56:46LinusNexcept for the developer of the patch that is
13:56:52LinusNwhoever that is
13:57:32jac0b-workI was wanting to see if anyone was having a problem with the patch before commenting the FS page
13:58:11Lloreanjac0b-work: It's probably just out of date.
13:58:34jac0b-workyeah I think it is
13:58:47jac0b-workI think pictureflow broke it
13:59:37jharuisnt it supposed to be in sync with picflow
13:59:44jharu?
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14:00:24LinusNit is supposed to be in sync with the current svn, but it is up to the patch author to make sure it is
14:00:49LloreanJavem
14:00:51LloreanGr
14:01:09LloreanHaven't we decided that patch isn't really acceptable, and should be implemented in a different way or something?
14:02:11LinusNi dunno
14:02:39LloreanI thought the general consensus was "we need a better looking resize, but more importantly, one that can resize in place on the buffer" or some such
14:02:57LloreanResize in place on load, that is.
14:03:47*Llorean doesn't know anything about the existing implementation, just watched discussion among those who seemed to know more.
14:04:08jharucant find the zip anywhere...
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14:04:25Lloreanjharu: It's in the folder you ran "make zip" in
14:05:46jharuused the search but cant be found...
14:06:00LloreanWhat search?
14:06:13jharuwindows search
14:06:31GodEater_that wont find it in a vmware image
14:06:43Lloreanjharu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#File_sharing
14:08:36jac0b-workthere is a new resize patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8308
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14:12:43jharuso how can i access samba? also i tried typing\\ but ehat comes out is the yen sign...
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14:18:36jharuwhere to type it...
14:18:54GodEater_in the address bar in windows explorer
14:19:02moosyeah
14:19:26moosit will ask for password and then same pass that for debian
14:20:22jharuwoah, is this some hidden file or something? found it btw
14:20:43moosthat is with samba
14:20:43GodEater_is *what* some hidden file ?
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14:22:42yoavkHow do i configure a plugin as a app (so it will be in rocks\app folder)
14:24:17jharuthe one im lookin foe earlier.
14:24:44GodEater_I have no idea what file you were looking for earlier. I'm not psychic
14:25:50Lloreanjharu: The VMware image is a whole virtual computer. It's one big file, basically. To get to the files "in" it, you have to have it share them, like over a network.
14:26:48LinusNyoavk: edit the file apps/plugins/CATEGORIES
14:29:08yoavkLinusN: Thankyou
14:31:59jharuwoah, this is the first time i saw these headerfiles... any wiki to help me understand these? (i know all the ones using<> but not the ones using ""
14:33:26GodEater_jharu: find an article on C
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14:33:58GodEater_briefly, the ones in <> are in the system include path, the ones in "" are relative to the current file
14:36:26jharucheckin the web... this bring back memories of college. though i usually am better using c++ that any other language...
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14:38:14GodEater_it's a common feature of C++ too.
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14:41:13jharuthough we heavily rely on ones using <> than the other
14:41:23jharuas header files
14:41:58jharualso noticed the word *main* is missing
14:43:40Lloreanjharu: Whether you rely on <> vs "" headers isn't really a C vs C++ thing.
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14:47:00GodEater_jharu: where do you think it's missing from ?
14:47:25MethoS-how do I get kdevelop to work with the rockbox-svn? is there a howto or something similar?
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14:47:47GodEater_MethoS-: I don't think so - I don't know of anyone else using it.
14:48:00GodEater_although you can of course use it as a fine editor
14:48:10MethoS-so, what r u using?
14:48:15GodEater_vim
14:48:30MethoS-hmm, i prefer kdevelop over vim :)
14:48:41GodEater_I'd never have guessed; )
14:48:42SammienatorGodEater: I placed screendumps on the rockbox forum
14:48:51Sammienatorabout pictureflow
14:48:51GodEater_Sammienator: I saw - I'm not a pictureflow expert though
14:48:59GodEater_so you'll have to wait for someone who is
14:49:06SammienatorOk
14:49:11GodEater_it will help though I'm sure ;)
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14:51:05*petur likes kdevelop too
14:51:29GodEater_I thought you used windows though ?
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14:51:59peturI do rockbox on my laptop which runs ubuntu ;)
14:52:45MethoS-with kdevelop? oO
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14:54:28MethoS-could you explain, how I can make the svn & kdevelop work, please
14:55:17peturI use kdevelop as editor only, I use kdesvn or whatever it is called for svn
14:55:31MethoS-mhm
14:56:59peturI use most programs and tools of KDE (even konversation), I just don't like teheir windowdressing so I use gnome :)
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15:12:17MethoS--where are the keymappings for the mp3-players saved? is there an *.ini or are they hardcoded?
15:12:50GodEater_hardcoded
15:12:54MethoS--:/
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15:13:05GodEater_we do this to make support for us easier
15:13:40MethoS--I just thought of making an keymapping editor for rbutil..
15:13:57GodEater_sorry - won't be possible
15:14:07LloreanThere's also just so many different functions bound to keys in different screens that fully custom keymaps is hardly feasible anyway.
15:14:33MethoS--ok
15:17:05Nico_PLlorean: about the resizing, I think the most imporant point was "a better looking one", then we could try to implement resize on load or in-place resizing, but both are harder then having a src and a dst buffer
15:17:45Nico_Pharder *than*... I always make that typ damnit
15:18:57Nico_PLinusN: got an opinion about it? we now have a very nice looking bilinear resizing in the tracker
15:19:04LloreanNico_P: Well there's a better looking one in the tracker, and I think it's even partially addressing the resize-on-load thing
15:19:11LloreanIt says it doesn't need static buffers, at least
15:19:31kugelNico_P: I've finished FS #8335
15:19:32LinusNi think resizing would be nice to have
15:19:46LloreanI really think resizing is nearly mandatory for album art.
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15:19:54Nico_PLlorean: from what I understood, the static buffer was a kind of lookup table, but even in the latest version there is still need for src and dst
15:20:01LloreanAt least, the expectation that a user should have more than one copy (one per WPS size) is somewhat silly
15:20:23Nico_Pkugel: cool, I'll check it out
15:20:47LloreanNico_P: Can, during buffering, a temp buffer be allocated at the "end" of the free buffer space, the image copied there to be "SRC" and then where it will finally be in the buffer be "Dest"?
15:21:22Nico_Pyeah I had thought of somthing like that
15:21:28Nico_Pit could work
15:22:12LloreanI mean, resize on load makes more sense (to me) than resize on display. But that' me.
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15:22:45LloreanSome people have rather ridiculously sized album art on disk, at least
15:22:52Nico_PLlorean: by resize on load I mean without the need of a temp buffer, like it's done in the current bmp resize patch
15:23:10LloreanAaaah
15:23:14*amiconn thinks resize-on-load is both easier to implement and resource friendlier
15:23:48Nico_Pamiconn: even for bilinear resizing?
15:24:26amiconnsure
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15:24:59Nico_Pamiconn: do such implementations exist already?
15:25:51pixelmaNico_P: your plugin button action implementation in pf is not nice. The "fix" for the c200 earlier now breaks new feature of the track list (you can't go up/down)... :/
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15:27:17Nico_Ppixelma: I think jott told me reversing the order back fixed this nex problem... have you tried that?
15:27:29Nico_Ps/nex/new
15:27:30pixelmaI know that a lot other plugins define such a combination of contexts but there are conflicts too
15:27:47yoavkHow do I add button events to my plugin?
15:27:54pixelmaNico_P: it might fix the list but will break the menu again...
15:28:21pixelmaI mean that you couldn't enter the menu on c200
15:28:21Nico_Ppixelma: then why is it my implementation that isn't nice?
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15:30:40pixelmaI didn't mean that you are the first to do so, just a general remark
15:31:44Nico_Pok... I have to say I'm disappointed that it's buggy because the concept is nice... I should really take a look
15:33:31pixelmaaside from my dislike of this system for plugins in general - this combining of contexts is really too simple.
15:34:40Nico_Pwhy don't you like it? isn't the only other option to add a bunch of #defines?
15:34:46pixelmaand/or the possible contexts has to be thought through
15:36:34pixelmaNico_P: I already started two discussion about it... (1) here, that ended up in upset people - and (2) in the dev mailing list which didn't really become a discussion
15:37:07Nico_PI'll read the mails then
15:37:13pixelmamy first mail has some arguments
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15:42:11pixelmabtw. the fact that you don't know about the conflicts (and different targets) shows that the system has its down sides IMO
15:42:28Nico_Ppixelma: what I don't understand is that PF really uses the 4 directions, menu and quit... how problematic can that be? I think it indicates a flaw in the c200 action mapping more than in the system itself
15:42:37pixelmano
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15:43:03LloreanDoes PF still mix contexts?
15:43:08pixelmathe problem is that "down" = "menu"
15:43:15pixelmayes
15:43:20LloreanSo that's the problem, right there.
15:43:35LloreanYou're only guaranteed to avoid conflicts if you stay within one context, right?
15:43:55pixelmayeah, quite a few plugins do that uses PLA
15:45:13yoavkHow do I add button events to my plugin?
15:45:39Zagoryoavk: rb->button_get()
15:45:50pixelmaLlorean: I would think (and hope) that you could seperate the definitions but didn't care enough to try that in pf
15:46:03yoavkZagor: What does that give me?
15:46:05Nico_Ppixelma: ok looking at the c200 manual helped me understand... how is it in the regular menus? how do you go up and down?
15:46:23pixelmawith up and down
15:46:30Zagoryoavk: the button code
15:46:53Nico_Ppixelma: then where is the "submenu" button used?
15:47:03yoavkZagor: Huh?
15:47:14Nico_PI mean where does it actually open a submenu instead of being simply "down"?
15:47:52LloreanWPS, I think?
15:48:45Nico_Ppixelma: at the risk of repeating myself, this problem looks very c200-specific to me
15:49:11LloreanNico_P: Misusing the action system isn't c200-specific, it's just most obvious when you have less keys.
15:49:20Zagoryoavk: sorry I have no respose fr "Huh?". please rephrase your question.
15:49:48pixelmano, if you combine contexts you'll always risk conflicts in one of the keymaps, no matter what targets.
15:50:27yoavkZagor: Then how do I add a button event (ie When the [play] button is pressed do func();)
15:50:47Lloreanyoavk: Maybe you should look at some of the other plugins for examples.
15:51:13pixelmaNico_P: could have been another target too, and it wouldn't make me wonder if there are
15:51:15Zagoryoavk: while(1) { switch(rb->button_get(true)) { case BUTTON_PLAY: func(); break } }
15:51:42Zagoryoavk: you don't get asynchronous events. you poll.
15:51:49yoavkZagor: Thank you!
15:52:20yoavkHow do I get the location of the wheel (on an iPod)?
15:52:30pixelmaNico_P: maybe that scroll forward/backward problem on the e200s has the same origin
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15:54:15kugelbtw: I'm trying to simplify the scroll buttons for e200 & ipods
15:54:34kugelmeaning rename the buttons to CLOCK and COUNTER respectively
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15:55:38Zagoryoavk: you don't. you get BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD and _BACK events
15:56:11pixelmaNico_P: "down" as menu would work perfectly in pf when used outside the list, if the list would use something else you could move it up/down and "left" or "power" would take you back to the "normal" view
15:56:33LloreanZagor: There's some method for getting the wheel position. Rockboy divides it into 8 regions for use as buttons, iirc. At least, I think that feature got included eventually.
15:56:52Nico_PI'm starting to thing the best option might be to go back to the #defines
15:56:58ZagorLlorean: oh, ok
15:57:04yoavkZagor & Llorean: Thank you
15:57:25kugelNico_P: Are you sure? I don't really like this (I know my opinion doesn't count)
15:58:21Nico_Pkugel: I'm not sure of anything... the other possibility is to give the c200 special treatment
15:59:20Nico_Phaving to think about each target individually is really not going to make me happy though
15:59:51kugelNico_P: Maybe a border should be drawn, those with enough keys can be treated generic, and those with too less keys must be treated specially
15:59:53LloreanOr you could make sure to make all your choices from within one context, right?
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16:01:05Nico_Pmaybe that's possible
16:01:05pixelmaif there is one that would cover all (which I doubt)
16:01:05*kugel is wondering why iPods can zoom with the wheel in the jpeg viewer and e200s not
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16:07:19kugelI just get to know the problem of all this #defines
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16:08:28kugelI need to change BOTTON_SCROLL_UP to BUTTON_SCROLL_COUNTER for nearly every single plugin ;;
16:10:21pixelmaNico_P: I'm not sure if this works but couldn't you seperate the defines list into two: context_blah - #define pf_this, and context_blub - #define pf_that?
16:11:43Nico_Ppixelma: I don't understand... the context are c vars, they have nothing to do with the preprocessor
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16:16:39pixelmasigh, it's so hard to explain for me. It should make sure that the define what should be used for BUTTON_DOWN for example is not taken from the wrong context (which is what the first "fix" achieved by revorting the order)
16:16:54pixelma*reverting
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16:18:41Nico_Phmm... maybe make pluginlib_getaction accept one specific context as arg?
16:18:49Nico_Ppixelma: is that close to what you mean?
16:23:07pixelmaI'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing, sorry
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16:24:53amiconnButton actions for plugins are A Bad Thing, imo, and should be reverted
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16:25:24kugelthe problem is
16:25:48kugelthat c200 has two actions mapped to BUTTON_DOWN in PLA
16:26:16kugelwhat's the menu button of the c200 outside the plugins?
16:26:24pixelmayes, because of the combination of contexts
16:27:06pixelmaand I bet that you'll find other cases of that - for other targets, in othe PLA plugins
16:27:16kugelaction_std_menu is mapped to the power button
16:27:23kugelmaybe this should be the same in PLA
16:28:43kugelas far is i can see, the rec button is unmapped in PLA
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16:28:53kugelmaybe this can be used to quit a plugin
16:29:14Nico_Ppixelma: if each call to pluginlib_getaction specifies one and only one context, there are no more possile conflicts
16:29:46pixelmaand then you need "long power" for "off" again which isn't ideal either. In the pf main screen there would be _no_ problem to map it to "down" - just that it doesn't work in the new list view
16:30:08pixelma^at kugel
16:30:35kugelhaving 2 actions on 1 button is a general problem imo, regardless if it works in all cases except this one
16:30:49pixelmaNico_P: that sounds very complicated
16:31:01*pixelma gives up :(
16:31:23kugelpixelma: what's bad about a long power for off? the e200 does have this
16:32:13Lloreankugel: There are many actions for each button. But only one action PER context. Which is the whole point of contexts, you're not supposed to mix them.
16:32:40kugelI don't mix it
16:33:20pixelmaif you hold it too long, you can easily switch the player off completely. (And btw. I admit I used "long power" for some plugin too, but I'd like to avoid it)
16:34:07kugelas a user of e200, I'm very fine with long power. It's very usable imo
16:34:38pixelmakugel: pf mixes two (otherwise there wouldn't be two different mappings as you found out yourself)...
16:36:52pixelmaand the most interesting (and annoying) thing is - the c200 is actually not short of buttons but some are just a bit awkward in certain circumstances
16:39:29Lloreankugel: There are three contexts defined in pluginlib_actions, and I don't see BUTTON_DOWN repeated for c200 in any of those contexts. Where exactly do you see it being used for more than one thing within the same context?
16:40:09LloreanIt's used in two of the three contexts, so it IS used twice. In two _different_ contexts.
16:41:24kugelOh, yea, my bad, sorry.
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16:42:06kugelbut rec button is still unused
16:42:25pixelmaI really think that button defines in the plugins are really easier in the end even though it's more to type - but you have more control, spot potential conflicts, don't have to care about what your change may do to other plugins.
16:43:01LloreanThey also mean that you don't end up compromising, saying "Well, it's a little awkward, but it works with the current context" to get your controls to fit.
16:43:07LloreanInstead you customize them for each player nicely.
16:43:14pixelmathe other way would be to have tons of contexts in the lib because there are so many plugins with very different control schemes
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16:45:27pixelmamaybe you can have PLA for a few plugins very generic control schemes but that has to be thought through thoroughly
16:45:45kugelBut if a button changes, or a new target with new buttons joins the familiy, you have to edit the buttons for every single plugin
16:45:54pixelmaadd a "with" wherever it fits
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16:47:50LloreanIf a button changes, you DON'T have to edit every single plugin.
16:48:09LloreanThey'd keep working as they did previously, actually an advantage.
16:49:39kugelI meant, if I renamed a button from BUTTON_SCROLL_UP to BUTTON_SCROLL_COUNTER, something like this
16:50:17LloreanSo what, like 20 minute's work on the very rare occasion that a button define name changes?
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16:51:07LloreanI'd rather have a working system that takes a little extra work to maintain than a broken system that stays in use because it's easier to make changes to, even if it does cause problems.
16:51:59kugeltrue
16:52:23LloreanThough some plugins make use of the core actions well enough, actually
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16:54:00pixelmayes a few
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16:57:08*kugel 's noticing that so many plugins doesn't use the scroll wheel of the e200 for no reason =(
16:57:14kugeldon't*
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17:01:05yoavkHow do I print a string to the screen (for now, only for iPod video)?
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17:02:36peturhow about looking at some other parts of the source to see how things are done?
17:04:29yoavkI tried but it just doesn't seem to work. (I tried rb->lcd_puts();)
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17:09:21peturyoavk: you need to refresh the lcd to make it appear
17:10:19yoavkpetur: How do I do that?
17:12:16yoavkpetur: Just to call rb->lcd_update(); ?
17:12:26peturyes
17:13:17kugelNico_P: And did you look at it allreadyß
17:13:19kugel?
17:13:27Nico_Pkugel: no, sorry
17:14:05peturyoavk: don't forget to rb->lcd_clear_display(); if you repaint the screen
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17:17:44yoavkpetur: Thanks
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17:44:07LloreanAlright, where do we stand on rejecting tasks now that surely must be rejected at some point in the future.
17:44:36LloreanFor example, I know viewports isn't in yet, but there are several tasks that are going to be rejected when viewports happens. What is the benefit of not rejecting them now?
17:45:17markunLlorean: could they be accepted if viewports never happen?
17:45:19LloreanIt seems to me, at least, that leaving them there is misleading to people who aren't aware of the direction things are supposed to go, as well as encouraging work on a whole host of WPSes and other things that will just require an awful lot of work to bring up to date one day.
17:45:33Lloreanmarkun: Some could, I'm sure.
17:45:58LloreanBut for that, we'd need to be able to say that one day we can say "viewports will never happen"
17:46:21markunor not be afraid to remove that code lateron when viewports do happen
17:46:25LloreanBasically, we need a final "Assume viewports will happen" or "Assume viewports will not happen and start accepting patches" I think, but leaving these in limbo is just problematic, in my mind
17:46:35Soapthat's a solid point, though, markun. I think the current assumption has long been that viewports are a "when" not an "if".
17:47:07markunSoap: I also think so, but it might take years if nobody wants to / can work on it
17:47:31LloreanAnd the current state will then be that in years, people will still be maintaining these limbo patches.
17:47:46LloreanRejecting them now is surely nicer than rejecting them two years from now, when we knew now that they would be.
17:47:56markunwhat about accepting them now?
17:48:02kugelIsn't it against the spirit of open source close those patches just to avoid forks? IMO it is
17:48:10LloreanWe should either starting herding them to acceptance with the intent of removing them with viewports, or reject them clearly
17:48:17Lloreankugel: That's silly
17:48:30LloreanRockbox has already been forked a few dozen times
17:48:46LloreanEvery unsupported build is one, and removing those patches won't make unsupported builds disappear
17:48:54LloreanBut it will make it clear that these features aren't going to enter SVN ever.
17:48:58keanu(copied from -community): if those patches are closed, wouldn't custom builders just sync it themselves, since quite a few themes would stop working?
17:49:04SoapHow possible would it be to make viewports a modular work? Reading linuxstb's document on it - it sure sounds like a monolithic element (at least to get started).
17:49:08Lloreankeanu: And they're more than welcome to.
17:49:28Lloreankeanu: The point isn't to stamp out these patches.
17:49:35kugelActually I don't see the danger that any of the custom builds would overcome the official build
17:49:37GodEater_kugel: no-one's stopping a fork if that's what you want to do - we're really just talking about not hosting those forks.
17:49:39LloreanIt's to clean up the tracker, and make it absolutely clear they aren't getting accepted (if they aren't)
17:49:50Lloreankugel: You're misunderstanding the purpose.
17:49:57keanuLlorean, ah, ok
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17:51:24keanuIt (possibly) seems that the real use of the tracker is blurred - is it that people use the tracker for hosting patches, rather than trying to get them into the official build?
17:51:36Lloreankeanu: That's the problem, yes
17:51:49keanuLlorean, ok, I think I'm starting to understand now
17:51:53LloreanIts intent is for contributing to Rockbox.
17:52:29LloreanSo I'd like it to become more black and white. Rejections when something is unsuitable. Rejections with comments when "The idea is good, the implementation is unsound, try using X to Y and post a new patch"
17:52:31keanuBut some patches are so popular that they're being synced solely for custom builds
17:52:37*keanu thinks..?
17:52:46LloreanMuch less patches sitting in limbo, forever synced, but never actually had anything done about them
17:52:59GodEater_keanu: we really don't care about the popularity in custom builds
17:53:11GodEater_we want them popular in core rockbox
17:53:13GodEater_or not at all
17:53:14kugelConcerning the several WPS patches. Noone is trying to get them into the build, since they feel that there work will be obsolete with viewports
17:53:15LloreanPopularity doesn't make a patch suitable for inclusion.
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17:53:23keanuGodEater_, I'm not referring to the popularity of custom builds, but the popularity of the patches in them
17:53:33GodEater_keanu: so am I :)
17:53:34Lloreankugel: Yes, and if they will be obsolute, why shouldn't we close them?
17:53:42Lloreanobsolete
17:53:50hcshow about experimental plugins?
17:53:58Lloreanhcs: Experimental plugins?
17:53:59markunwhy not include them until they become obsolete?
17:54:05Lloreanmarkun: I wouldn't mind that either.
17:54:07keanumarkun, what I was thinking
17:54:20hcsLlorean: like the wiki reader, which i don't forsee ever actually being in the build
17:54:22Lloreanmarkun: My goal is to make things more black and white, I really don't care which direction.
17:54:26GodEater_#ifndef VIEWPORTS <insert-code-here> #endif
17:54:27kugelthe main problem is for me, that I see no progress of viewports at all, and this is why I feel a bit lost within that vicious cycle
17:54:35hcs*in svn
17:54:51peturbecause people will start using them in wps's and get upset when they must change again when viewports arrive
17:54:53Lloreanhcs: Why can't it be included? Touches the core?
17:54:57keanuI don't think it's really a matter of when it will be obsolete, but what will be used instead from the time the patch is closed until the time when something replaces that patch
17:54:57markunwith albumart without MoB the problem was that it would waste memory for people not using it, but I don't think we have that problem of every patch
17:55:13markunof -> for
17:55:15Lloreanmarkun: The only issue is, as petur mentioned, one intent with viewports is to maintain backwards compatibility
17:55:25LloreanMoving from all these patches to viewports will require rewriting of nearly every WPS
17:55:40Lloreankeanu: Why are we obligated to provide placeholders?
17:56:01hcsLlorean: no, just requires a bunch of other tools and a lot of data and isn't really being worked on, seems like it'll be a perpetual proof of concept
17:56:23keanuLlorean, I'm not saying you're obligated, but at the same time, I don't speak for everyone that uses the patches
17:56:49Lloreanhcs: Then it should be closed with "Out of Date" or whatever that close message is. I really don't think though that it can't be included if someone gets it working well.
17:57:02keanuLlorean, I'm just wondering what people will do when they find that the patch is closed with no replacement (until viewports)
17:57:20Lloreankeanu: Some will surely maintain it elsewhere
17:57:45LloreanBut there's also the chance that others will say "Oh, well, I have this other idea, and now that I have this time back, I can work on it..." and maybe contribute something that can be committed?
17:57:52LloreanReally, I'm not too concerned what they do.
17:57:59LloreanI just want to draw the line more clearly
17:58:02peturso the point is: we must start implementing viewports soon :)
17:58:11keanupetur, sure ;)
17:58:30Nimdaeis it normal to need to reformat my rockboxed ipod every couple of months these days?
17:58:36Lloreanpetur: There's other relevant patches
17:58:45peturNimdae: no
17:58:46LloreanThe slider progress bar, which is a reimplementation of a previously *removed* feature
17:58:50Lloreanthe double click patch.
17:59:13LloreanA patch dependent upon the double click patch, which may actually be acceptable if the dependency were removed
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18:00:02Nimdaei keep running into an issue where the files are completely undamaged, but rockbox will stop playing complete songs for multiple songs (not all of them), with them being cut off at the same place each time playback is attempted...copying the files off, reformatting, then copying them back will fix it
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18:00:08LloreanAnd the "custom splash screen" patch
18:00:25LloreanAre all examples of patches that should be rejected since they're not going to be included (afaik)
18:00:56keanuLlorean, I can agree that the custom splash screen can be rejected
18:01:48Nimdaewait...double click? as in...making the use of the buttons more complicated?
18:01:58LloreanNimdae: yes.
18:02:01LloreanThere's a double click patch
18:02:08Nimdaei think i'd reject that too
18:02:20kugelEven I'd reject that
18:02:38peturLlorean: I've been wanting to say this for some weeks: it is time for another tracker cleanup week. But better after the holidays I think (by then we'll have reached 1000 open tasks)
18:02:51LloreanThen there's a FF/RW patch that offers a mode similar to ipods (rotate the wheel to pick a location in the file) but it's invoked by double click I believe
18:02:52kugelWhat would be the closure reason for custom splashs creen patch?+
18:02:59Lloreanpetur: I agree
18:03:10Lloreanpetur: Maybe we should set "Rejection Guidelines" for the cleanup?
18:03:15Lloreankugel: "rejected"
18:03:21keanulol
18:03:31Nimdaei'd reject custom splashesas well
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18:03:51kugelBut why?
18:04:01Nimdaeinstead, i'd request that the blue be black instead
18:04:04Lloreankugel: It can't be implemented in a way that doesn't aversely affect those who don't use it.
18:04:21peturthe tracker is for mainstream rockbox stuff, all the rest should go
18:04:26keanuI can't really see why it should be included though - those who do want to have their own splash screen can do it from the source
18:04:30Nimdaei said instead twice in a sentance, heh
18:05:20kugelkeanu: That's what I did, and this is why I'm not gonna include that patch ever (several people asked me).
18:05:26keanuwhat about having a second tracker (even if it isn't Rockbox hosted) for patches that aren't meant to be in the official build, or otherwise rejected
18:05:35LloreanPeople can do that if they want
18:05:43keanukugel, /me wonders why he still has it in his build, to be honest
18:05:48Nimdaekeanu: that's called a fork
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18:06:18kugelfork means competetion, and competition is good in most cases imo
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18:06:43Nimdaeit can mean competition, but doesn't necesarily
18:06:44LloreanNimdae: Any unsupported build using a can't-be-committed feature is already a fork anyway
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18:07:12Nimdaeyeah, but they tend to stick to the main rockbox for their releases
18:07:21Nimdaeso it's not a complete fork
18:07:29hcsa little fork, like a shrimp fork
18:07:36Nimdaestill, i continue to use main rockbox
18:07:57Nimdaemostly because i can do a svn checkout and build ;)
18:08:16Nimdaerather than wait for undetermined periods of time for updates
18:08:19LloreanI just think it'd be beneficial, or at least "polite" (in the sense of being honest with people) to reject patches if they're not going to be committed.
18:08:40LloreanEven if it's going to be 12 months before the reason they won't be committed actually happens
18:08:56keanuI wouldn't mean for it to be competition, just a place to still keep those patches going, even though they won't ever be in the official build (or at least until a replacement comes)
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18:09:41scorche|wkeanu: like we said...it isnt like we can stop someone from doing that
18:09:55LloreanIt's open source.
18:10:07pixelmawith any luck, maybe closing the scrolling margins patch will give someone the incentive to work on viewports (and not committing some interim solution)
18:10:17LloreanSomeone could svn update every commit we make, replace the logo, call it "Jellybox" and attempt to sell it, as long as they met the requirements of the GPL
18:11:06scorche|wjellybox.com is available...tempting..
18:11:06Nimdaepixelma: that's the thing, people work on things they want implemented at the advice of forum admins and devs, but they are things that the devs may not necesarily want
18:11:07keanuYes, though I think that would be a "fair" way to handle it - the patches can be closed in the official tracker, but still continued for those who want to work on it
18:11:27Lloreankeanu: So start another tracker. Nothing's stopping you.
18:12:03*Nimdae contemplates starting a Nimdaebox
18:12:11scorche|wkermitbox
18:12:19Nimdaekermit is dead :(
18:12:26LloreanI've been tempted to rebrand my personal builds "Orpheus" for some time.
18:12:34scorche|woh no...
18:12:39Nimdaethe box i use now for building is called bourbon, though ;)
18:12:41NimdaeBourbonbox
18:12:47keanuwow, the topic sure changed quick ;)
18:13:12scorche|wmahna mahna
18:13:16krazykitLlorean, that was the name the actually won the popular vote, isn't it?
18:13:25LloreanYes
18:13:33scorche|wkrazykit: hence the joke :)
18:13:38LloreanAnd while I agree "Rockbox" is a better name as a project, I'm still fond of it.
18:13:56scorche|wLlorean: too commonplace/expected
18:13:58LloreanOrpheus falls into the "Wonderful for people who get it, too strange for those who don't" category I think
18:14:05kugelGood point, I'm gonna call my build kugelbox, which would be a nice pun
18:14:10Lloreanscorche|w: Orpheus is?
18:14:31keanukrazykit, a suggested name was once Fox-in-Sox
18:14:32LloreanI can't think of a single person among my friends here who'd make any association between that name and music, honestly
18:15:05scorche|wLlorean: i cant say why, but it just has some sort of association with the name of a project for me
18:15:18LloreanWell there were the Sennheirs Orpheus phones.
18:15:27Josh`WMorpheus without the 'M'
18:15:31LloreanWe could use "Orpheus" as the name for the 4.0 stable when we get there.
18:15:43LloreanSince 3.0 and 3.1 have names already, technically
18:15:45scorche|wonery orpheus?
18:15:51Nimdaelol
18:16:01kugelI'm wondering what's gonna happen earlier: Viewports or a stable rockbox version ;)
18:16:37Nimdaei'd like to see stable first ;)
18:17:22LloreanI'd like to see a "stable" version first too
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18:18:11LloreanActually, the new year might be a good time for a feature freeze. I don't know if we have many extant features in the works, and while there are bugs, I think most of the known ones are reproduceable.
18:19:19kugelBTW: I've finished a patch renaming all BUTTON_SCROLL_UP (_DOWN,_FWD,_BACK) to BUTTON_SCROLL_CLOCK and _COUNTER
18:20:06kugelWe've talked about that yesterday or so
18:20:18pixelmaI hope not for the H10... :D
18:20:31kugelof course not
18:20:40*kugel should've mention this
18:21:25kugelWe talked about that, and the main consensus was that the actual names are missleading
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18:22:10ilanurhello, can i know if this firware works on ipod classic 80gb?
18:22:16LloreanNo
18:22:21LloreanIt does not
18:22:37ilanurok, and in the future?
18:22:46LloreanOnly if people owning them work on it
18:23:07ilanurok
18:23:33ilanuris there a way to use the folders insted of the tags on the ipod?
18:23:56LloreanThat is better asked somewhere else
18:24:05LloreanBut, probably not
18:24:17ilanur:( ok
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18:25:41Nimdaei should learn how to hack these devices so i can get the ipod classic working
18:25:56LloreanThe iPod classic is going to be a "big" port.
18:26:03LloreanEverything, or most things, from scratch
18:26:35Nimdaewhat architecture is the samsung cpu?
18:26:47kugelarm afaik
18:27:10kugelThere's a thread for a T9 port, you might read it (if you didn't allready
18:27:12kugel)
18:27:44Nimdaeit would be arm11 then right?
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18:28:37Nimdaewell, i'm sitting here bored at work, i'll read some forum threads :)
18:32:10kugelLlorean: Would you still be interested in such a patch?
18:32:19kugelor Nico_P
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18:35:24Sammienatorhey, I think I found a 'bug' in the pictureflow plugin...
18:35:37Sammienatorbut it's really hard to explain:(
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18:37:09krazykitSammienator, then it will be even harder to fix
18:37:20kugellol
18:37:21krazykitwithout an explanation, that is.
18:37:36SammienatorI was still typing:P
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18:39:05Sammienatorwhen you go to track listing (with a long list) and than scroll down...
18:39:23Sammienatorand than press Menu (to go back to album view) and than again go to track listing
18:40:22Sammienatorthen you still see the last track, but the bar is at the first track, so you can't see the bar
18:40:42SammienatorI hope you understand:S
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19:17:12peturamiconn: H10 pure disk has been added...
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19:21:54kugelNico_P: I'm preparing another patch
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19:22:31kugelNico_P: renaming all BUTTON_SCROLL_UP (_DOWN,_FWD,_BACK) to BUTTON_SCROLL_CLOCK and _COUNTER
19:22:43kugelDo you remember? We talked about this issue
19:23:09Nico_Pkugel: yeah, but I guess there needs to be discussion before committing
19:23:31n1skugel: that is great, i have been wanting to do the same thing for a while but never got around to it
19:23:46kugelNo problem. Though we discussed it, and the consensus was that CLOCK and COUNTER are much proper
19:24:10Nico_Pkugel: yeah, sounds good to me
19:24:29kugeln1s: I'm testing it atm, I gonna upload it to the tracker most likely today
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19:31:38kugelOk, fine on my e200
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19:36:06yoavkHow can I detect the wheel position on the iPod? I've tried wheel_status() but that only changes when you actually move on the wheel. I need a way to detect position even if you just touched the wheel (Like in Ms. Pacman)
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19:40:40yoavk*touch the wheel* NOT *touched the wheel*. sorry...
19:41:28salty-horsehi. I'm a bit out of date here. is album art in WPS officially supported now? (WPS tags are not in the docs yet)
19:41:50Soapsalty-horse: sure they are - are they not in the custom WPS wiki page?
19:42:51salty-horsethey are, but that page existed even when it wasn't official :) −− they still should be in the docs :)
19:42:56salty-horsethanks for the info
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19:43:52peturyoavk: I don't think the wheel has an absolute position
19:44:04Lloreanpetur: It does.
19:44:10LloreanThe wheel has 96 positions, if I recall
19:44:26yoavkLlorean: How do I retrive the wheel position
19:44:32LloreanThere was a patch, that I *think* was eventually committed, dividing the wheel into 8 sections assignable as buttons in Rockboy
19:44:45Lloreanyoavk: As I recommended earlier, look at Rockboy and see if it does it
19:44:50peturno he wants to know the absolute position
19:44:53pixelmaI think too, that rockbox uses it
19:45:07pixelmaeh Rockboy
19:45:30peturwhich I think isn't available
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19:45:43LloreanI think those 96 increments are, or can be made to be.
19:46:22peturI mean like in turning and then releasing it, that 'position' isn't kept
19:46:33amiconnThe touch wheel in G4 (grey/color), G5, Nano and Mini G2 can provide absolute position
19:46:33*petur gives up and runs off
19:46:35LloreanAh, yes.
19:46:49LloreanIf you release the wheel, there's no "position" any more
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19:46:55amiconnThe G1..G3 and Mini G1 wheel can not
19:47:12peturright... that was what I wanted to say ;)
19:47:22yoavkSo How do I get the position???
19:48:11Lloreanyoavk: You don't need to repeat your question so often.
19:48:16amiconnAnd rockboy *does* use wheel position where available
19:48:23amiconnutsl
19:49:08yoavkLlorean: Sorry... you'r right
19:49:09markunyoavk: rb->wheel_status()
19:49:31markunyoavk: just look at the sources of other plugins
19:49:50yoavkmarkun: That value only changes when you actualy turn the wheel, not just touch it
19:50:32Genre9mp3haha.... according to logbot, rtfm means "_please_ read the manual"
19:51:07desowinlogbot just tries to be polite ;)
19:51:21#>>"is a polite... hmm... bot? ;)" by pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma)
19:51:52markunyoavk: I based it on line 97 of apps/plugins/rockboy/sys_rockbox.c
19:52:02*petur was in a good mood when he added that :)
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19:53:29Genre9mp3ts ts... censorship
19:54:11jhMikeSpetur: hmm...you wrote the logbot?
19:54:28peturnah, just feeding some strings ;)
19:55:44*jhMikeS tries /msg logbot BEER and suprisingly no special messages
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19:56:02markunjhMikeS: but try "explain beer"
19:56:24peturtry OT :)
19:56:37jhMikeSI see :)
19:57:12#>>"knows nothing about 'me' though :p" by jhMikeS (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS)
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19:57:36jhMikeS'*Shrug* I don't know'
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19:58:06scorche|wlogbot: explain rtfm
19:58:19desowin"seen desowin" "Yeah, I see you. Boy, you're ugly ;)" hehe
19:58:20jhMikeShehe
19:58:45jhMikeSyeah, i've seen that one
19:59:53*jhMikeS thinks one should be added to answer questions about when ports will be done and such
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20:02:06scorche|wwhen logbot stops sending notices and starts sending messages, i plan on adding a bunch of screens
20:02:28amiconn?
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20:02:54#>>"can do both, in fact I only knew about the messages until a few days ago" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
20:03:18scorche|wi am saying channel messages...not channel-wide notices
20:03:21amiconnIf you /msg logbot, the answer is also a message
20:03:38scorche|wi know that...*channel* messages...just like this is
20:03:43rp-Hi! Is there a way to sort the "list" from readdir() or some part of the code which is doing this?
20:05:18pixelmascorche: what screens? I can't imagine what that should be...
20:05:38scorche|wpixelma: hrm?
20:07:07pixelma"i plan on adding a bunch of screens" <- what do you mean? links?
20:07:16amiconnrp-: The file browser does sort. Sorting needs a buffer in (precious) ram, that's why there is the files per dir limit setting
20:07:32amiconnreaddir() returns entries in on-disk order
20:07:59scorche|wpixelma: oh...yeah...i meant explain messages/triggers...not sure how that word slipped in there
20:08:37amiconnWhy does that depend on messages (vs. notices)?
20:08:41pixelmanow I see
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20:08:53rp-amiconn: file browser is implemented int filetree.c?
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20:11:50scorche|wamiconn: because notices are typically considered "annoying" in IRC as opposed to just a simple message like this (sorry if i am repeating this...it doesnt look like it has gone through on my end)
20:12:54pixelmanotices have one weird effect they appear in whatever window you are in (even if it is an unrelated channel or a query window) - discoverd last week when logbot learned talking again
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20:13:11scorche|wyeah....people get very annoyed...
20:13:23scorche|walthough it depends on how the clients handle it
20:13:33LloreanYeah, my client is very friendly with regard to notices.
20:13:46LloreanThey show up as (Notice) blah blah, as a line in the normal chat by logbot.
20:13:54*amiconn can't see why notices would be annoying
20:13:55scorche|wso, i would rather not use him (and the explain function) until he emits messages, rather than notices
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20:14:39scorche|wamiconn: because not every client handles them the same...and many use them like pixelma sees
20:14:45amiconnThey appear with just 2 tiny differences to normal messages here
20:15:01scorche|wwhat client?
20:15:04amiconnHydra
20:15:12pixelmasame as mine
20:15:50scorche|wthen they are annoying in that they show up in whatever window you have active...if you are talking in another channel, you will see notices from here (or other channels that may use them, although people typically dont for this exact reason)
20:16:01amiconnMaybe they appear in another active window ... didn't notice that so far
20:16:09scorche|wthey do in hydra
20:16:46pixelmaconfirmed - and then they are not in the #rockbox tab
20:17:00amiconnIf I didn't even notice that so far, it can't be annoying...
20:18:11scorche|wi am in 20-25 channels on IRC...trust me...notices are VERY annoying
20:18:41scorche|wsame with channel-wide CTCPs
20:19:05pixelmaI don't find it very annoying too but that probably depends on usage pattern (the more tabs and different channels with different aim the more annoying, I guess)
20:19:32amiconnThere's an option in Hydra to disable notice forwarding
20:19:45scorche|wi am just saying the "general IRC social rules"
20:21:02scorche|wthis isnt about fixing it personally for me...the proper way for a bot to speak is either in messages sent to the channel or private messages
20:22:17LloreanIs there an RFC on it? :-P
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20:25:10scorche|wit is just one of the IRC social norms, i guess you could also call it...just like how in real life, you whisper in certain situations rather than scream something out, etc
20:26:44kugelNico_P: When are you gonna look at FS #8335?
20:27:08Nico_Pkugel: I'll try to do it this evening but I can't promise you anyhting
20:27:38kugelI guess you are quite busy today.
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20:41:44kugelmay it be, that the iPod video BMP for the Sim is labelled wrongly?
20:43:12kugelI need someone with an ipod to test a patch
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21:08:29kugelplease, can't someone help me?
21:08:58krazykitbe patient :P
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21:11:20mrkikokrazykit: read guidelines;
21:11:30mrkikokrazykit: what problem do you have? I'll try to help you if I can
21:11:45kugel:?
21:12:44kugelI don't think krazykit has a problem
21:13:21krazykitmrkiko, i know the guidelines. i was simply telling kugel to be patient.
21:13:55kugelI think he means me
21:14:51mrkikokrazykit: in fact; It was just I was wrong; i red the nick and pasted the text just in the wrong window :)
21:14:54mrkikosorry
21:15:02mrkikoI'm using irssi and my alt key doesn't work allways reliably
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21:19:05kugel:O
21:19:10kugelwww.rockbox.org is down?
21:19:45krazykitno
21:21:08rp-hm i added 2 functions to the plugin_api and i'm getting this warning, when compiling:
21:21:11rp- case 5:
21:21:14rp- rb->strcpy(buffer, its_a_dir ? "" : str_md5);
21:21:16rp-ups sorry
21:21:46mrkikoCan't read www.rockbox.org/index.html
21:21:47rp-plugin.c:568: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
21:22:11rp-but the functions are working, at least in the simulator
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21:24:25parafinwhy does logbot send notices sometimes?
21:25:31scorche|wbecause he is currently programmed that way
21:25:50parafinand what's the point?
21:26:16*scorche|w shrugs
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21:29:57peturhi
21:30:08ruskieis the sansa c240 supported by rockbox?
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21:30:57peturdepends on the hw version I think
21:31:49ruskieasume latest as I doubt the stores have anything earlier
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21:32:34ruskieI'm trying to find some player that would be supported and that I could get localy
21:32:43*petur looks around for sansa people
21:33:01ruskiethe sansa c240 and e250 are the only ones I could find that are even remotely mentioned...
21:33:06ruskieother choices are iriver t20
21:33:14ruskieand then there's not much more...
21:33:29LloreanThe e200 and c200 version 1 hardware is supported
21:33:37LloreanThe v2 hardware isn't, unfortunately that's what's likely to be in stock
21:33:44ruskiethought so
21:33:50LloreanIf you can look at the box, look for "Audible" support. if it has that, its a v2
21:34:59mrkikoxAnd the iRiver T20? Is it supported?
21:35:22LloreanNo
21:35:26ruskiecan't find it mentioned at all on the rockbox page :)
21:35:38LloreanThe only supported players are those listed on the front page of the site.
21:36:10*mrkiko feels a little stupid :)
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21:38:33*amiconn hopes to be able to add another target to that list soon :)
21:38:39matslmsg Bagder_ linux3 verkar död. vet du om någon snackat med jon?
21:38:55kugelIs anyone here willing to my patch nwo?
21:38:57amiconnmatsl: Forgot / ?
21:39:05matsljupp ;-)
21:39:11matslsorry
21:39:19ruskiehmm someone is claiming that the sansa e260 has a replacable os...
21:40:06iambene250/260/280 are all supported
21:40:14Domonokyruskie: someone ? rockbox runs on those, atleat on v1 version of this device.. :-)
21:40:34ruskieyeah as everyone keeps saying v1
21:40:34iambener i guess 270 also
21:40:36ruskie:)
21:41:03ruskiebut I'm not willing to pay 120 eur for it :)
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21:41:39Domonokyruskie: buy it in us dollars.. its cheaper :-)
21:41:50ruskiethe c240 is 56 eur... I'd be happy with that... IF I know for a fact it can run rockbox... I'll have to ask when I go buy an ups tomorrow...
21:42:24*Llorean paid $16 US for his C240, but it was refurbished
21:42:49ruskieI tried the old stuff on sale... can't find anything usable... :(
21:42:51faemirdoes anyone here use amarok with a rockbox player?
21:42:57ruskieor it's insanely priced...
21:43:12faemirLlorean: $16 O_O
21:43:27ruskiethat's dirt cheap... lucky bast...
21:43:43kugelruskie: where are you buying? you get a e250 for less than 50€
21:43:58ruskiekugel, nowhere yet :)
21:44:00ruskiejust looking around
21:44:11ruskieso far all prices aronud here I found were in the 100eur+ range
21:45:08kugelfor 250?
21:45:13mrkikoA question to the "development team": will in your opinion rockbox be ported to other players in the future?
21:45:16ruskieyup
21:45:23Domonokyruskie: amazon has a e250 for 66 ..
21:45:25kugeldon't let them fool you
21:45:37Nico_Pamiconn: which player are you hoping to add official support for?
21:45:45amiconniAudio M3
21:45:54amiconnJust won an ebay auction
21:45:58Domonokymrkiko: thats for sure, but no timeline.. :-)
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21:46:29Domonokyand as amiconn bought a m3.. maybe we will see a port for this ? :-)
21:47:09rp-amiconn: do you know how i can get rid of the compiler warning "initialization from incompatible pointer type", when adding a function to the plugin_api structure?
21:47:16ruskiesansa clip and express aren't supported right?
21:47:35Domonokyruskie: no..
21:47:36Lloreanruskie: ONLY the players on the front page of the site
21:47:48amiconnrp-: By using the correct pointer type.... in 99.9% of all cases gcc is right that you did something wrong somewhere
21:50:25rp-ahh damn, added a const, which i forgot in the header, thank you
21:51:19ruskiebah I wish all of these player makers would standardise on rockbox for the firmware...
21:51:51digitallobuy.com currently has the e250 refurbished for 35$ US. Which is a pretty good imho.
21:52:15ruskieI'm not paying for the over-atlantic shipping :)
21:52:27ruskiewould cost more than the device
21:52:51amiconnNico_P: Sure, just don't be too impatient ;)
21:53:01scorche|wruskie: no..only around 8.80 USD
21:53:13ruskiescorche|w, not in my experience...
21:53:22amiconnI probably won't be able to start porting to M3 before Jan 2008
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21:53:33ruskiebut anyway no big loss...
21:53:54ruskieI'll just wait for the neo1973... then I actually won't need anything else...
21:53:55scorche|wruskie: i have sent a LOT of devices to various rockbox folks around here...trust me when i say a sansa costs 8.80 USD to send abroad
21:54:08ruskiescorche|w, when "you" send it...
21:54:15scorche|wexactly..
21:54:19ruskienot when $random_commercial_entity sends it
21:54:32scorche|wthen dont have them send it, and use someone in the US..
21:55:01amiconnUS mail seems to be dead cheap compared to europe...
21:55:35ruskiethere's VAT to pay for stuff being imported... so I guess that's a chunk as well
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21:55:48mrkikoIs someone able to suggest me a place ( or directly buy for me) a iRivr remote controller?
21:55:54scorche|wruskie: not if it is marked as a gift..
21:55:55mrkikoI actuallyt can't browse ebay...
21:56:19mrkikoI need a non-lcd remote cotroller... for the H3xx serie
21:56:20digitalloFuel prices in the US vs Europe is likely the culpit.
21:57:05ruskiewell I do have a shuffle and some no-name brand player... though neither support oggs... but it's livable for now...
21:57:17desowinruskie: if it's under 45 euro (incl. postage) and sent as gift then you don't have to worry about customs/VAT
21:57:39ruskiewas merly thinking of getting some cheap player that I could throw rockbox on and use as my main player for both music and audio books...
21:59:35mrkikoThe problem of people searching for players to install rockbox in is becoming frequent; it would be so beautiful having a manufacturer selling out it's players with rockbox installed in.
21:59:44ruskieyup
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22:00:00mrkikoDo manufacturers know rockbox?
22:00:34mrkikofrom a bastard point of view, this way they may be able to send theyr players at a lower price: they will not need someone to develop a firmware for them, right?
22:00:55krazykitmrkiko, Sandisk certainly does, and I would be surprised if other ones did not.
22:01:11mrkikoIt may be a little sad consideration for people spending time and passion on robkcox, but would be helpful...
22:01:28ruskiewell for the time being the hack should work... i.e. listen to audio book then somehow store position on the hdd wipe install music... listen until next wipe restore... but I haven't yet figured out how to get last played song from the shuffle...
22:01:34mrkikokrazykit: why do you think so?
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22:02:08LloreanPart of the problem with a manufacturer shipping with Rockbox installed, is that then people will expect them to provide support for Rockbox
22:02:29ruskiewell why not?
22:02:29krazykitmrkiko, well, Sandisk sent a few players to someone, along with a dev. board. the others, i suspect they keep an eye on what people do with their hardware.
22:02:50ruskieit would provide a common platform to standardize support on...
22:02:58ruskieno retraining for new stuff
22:03:09mrkikomhm...
22:03:21mrkikothe support consideration effectively is a problem...
22:03:23krazykitruskie, yeah, but you lose the sell point of DRM, so online music stores' music won't work
22:03:42ruskiecan't they install their own plugins that would do DRM?
22:03:48Domonokyno need to discuss this here, discuss it with the manufacturers :-)
22:03:56mrkikokrazykit: hm...
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22:04:08DefineByteDRM is dying, thankfully
22:04:09Lloreanruskie: Not really
22:04:13ruskiebut DRM seems to be dying anyway
22:04:16ruskieLlorean, how come?
22:04:16LloreanPlugins are linked to the binary, and under the same license.
22:04:24ruskieahh
22:04:30mrkikoruskie: infact
22:04:32LloreanBut, supporting it is also a problem.
22:04:37mrkikobut, as I know: we can use a DRM
22:04:42LloreanAs it's open source, anyone can provide unofficial versions.
22:04:58Lloreanmrkiko: Open Source and DRM cannot mix effectively.
22:05:00Domonokytheoretically you could build a lgpl plugin whitch loads the proprietary drm plugin. :-)
22:05:08LloreanDomonoky: Wouldn't work effectively though
22:05:19LloreanIf you can play back the music in an open source program, you can also dump the decrypted stream to disk.
22:05:36Domonokysure.. but you would have drm support.. :-)
22:05:41BagderDomonoky: not really
22:05:44ruskieso: we only provide support for original XXXX-$manufacturerstring-$version firmware and hardware
22:06:00ruskiekinda solves that
22:06:46ruskieor they could TiVo-ize it... but in a more friendly manner... i.e. you can request the key and thus lose all support for your device related to software
22:07:12 Quit desowin ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/")
22:08:17mrkikoThe problem is just one: DRM is wrong. Rockbox is right! :)
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22:08:46ruskieanyway need to get some rest... nyx all
22:09:04mrkikonyx ?
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22:11:36mrkikoMay be you can let them install tyheyr only closed-source brandizzed version of rockbox, making for them mandatory releasing some important source code parrts - hardware handling one and boot loaders especially.
22:11:54mrkikoI know I'm insulting the GPL .. .
22:11:59krazykitthat violates the GPL.
22:12:16mrkikobut rockbox is too big, too good; it simply rocks ...
22:12:48mrkikokrazykit: ... effectively yes, but (if you want) you can put various exceptions for specific cases.
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22:13:39scorche|wmrkiko: then that isnt the GPL
22:13:58scorche|wand rockbox would have to re-license everything
22:14:08mrkikoeha... effectively...
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22:16:29mrkikoFrom a project like this , rockbox may benefit a lot, but ...
22:16:41mrkikoyou spent a lot of love on developing rockbox - gpl should be respected...
22:16:45mrkikoand now - good night all!
22:16:50mrkikoand good rockbox to all!
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22:25:31Wtjokerknock knock
22:25:49scorche|wwho's there?
22:25:50Wtjokerwhere can i get the windows driver for a 4th gen 40gb ipod?
22:26:02Wtjokerdetected "rockbox media"
22:26:02scorche|wwhere can i get the windows driver for a 4th gen 40gb ipod? who?
22:26:05Wtjokerlol
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22:26:34DefineBytejust ignore any driver pop-ups
22:26:37Wtjokerrockbox is installed and working, but when i connect to windows it wants a driver for "rockbox media player"
22:26:39Wtjokeroh ok
22:26:48Wtjokeri knew my sansa had a driver
22:26:49scorche|wWtjoker: there is no such driver...that is part of the in-progress USB functionality...just boot into disk mode
22:27:04Wtjokerk, how do i set disk mode
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22:28:07Wtjokeri noticed it doesnt show up in windows explorer
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22:28:42scorche|wthe manual says how...as do many many google results
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22:38:13bluebrotherDomonoky: I just commited a change to exclude the sapi script from non-windows builds ...
22:38:20bluebrothersolution was rather easy ;-)
22:42:39pixelmaah, bluebrother, got an internet connection now?
22:42:53bluebrotherpixelma: not really −− using my phone
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22:43:13bluebrotherno "real" internet until next year :(
22:43:15pixelmaI see
22:43:50bluebrotherat least I can do a bit of stuff on the net again.
22:44:10dionoeanext year isn't too far away
22:44:57pixelmaif you would have had some more time, I'd liked to discuss the "feature.txt > UseOptions" idea
22:45:04bluebrotherfortunately, yes. I hope I get a dsl setup quick ... going to move to my final home this week
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22:49:07bluebrotherok, see you guys another time.
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22:55:24DefineByteanyone free to commit a couple of minor patches (8313, 8323)?
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23:00:37peturthese patches have been discussed recently - must check the outcome
23:00:42kugelCan now anyone with an iPod test my patch?
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23:02:45DefineBytepetur, really? I remember a brief mention but I thought they were generally approved with the bulk of the discussion turning to 'folder' versus 'directory'. Has it been discussed since?
23:02:59peturchecking...
23:03:10DefineByte:)
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23:05:30kugelDamn, obviously noone wants to help improving rockbox.
23:05:44Soapone step over the line
23:06:00Bagderkugel: nope, not a single person
23:06:12kugelj/k, but I really need someone to test this
23:06:55scorche|wis this a patch in the tracker?
23:06:58Lloreankugel: What's wrong with posting a patch and waiting?
23:07:24kugelI don't want to post an unfinished test, if I could find a person for a quick test
23:07:58scorche|wdo you think the patch tracker is only for completed patches?
23:08:01peturDefineByte: are you already in the credits?
23:08:12DefineBytei think the guidlines pretty much state that.
23:08:17DefineByteyeah, I am
23:08:22kugelscorche|w: No, of course not
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23:11:01safetydanMan I hope the tracker isn't for completed patches. I think I've got about three unfinished ones floating around in there.
23:12:42LloreanDefineByte: The tracker is for any patch so long as it's working toward completion/acceptance.
23:13:11DefineByteoh, I know. I just thought the wording suggested otherwise.
23:13:18DefineByteI might be remembering it wrong though
23:14:04peturDefineByte: which David B are you?
23:14:16DefineBytebishop :)
23:14:23peturok
23:14:57DefineByteI guess I mean this "Submitting a patch implies the assumption you want to get it included into Rockbox."
23:15:22 Quit ender` (" Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.")
23:15:31DefineBytewhich I guess means a final revision but could imply the actual version you're submitting
23:16:12pixelmaso I guess the "Charge During USB Connection" option is there to switch it off in case you have your device on a port which is not providing enough power?
23:20:31DefineBytemakes sense.
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23:24:49the_big_manI've found that that option doesn't seem to do anything on my gigabeat
23:24:57the_big_manit carges even though it's set to no
23:25:02the_big_mancharges^
23:26:20pixelmahmm... I'd like to know what to write in the manual. Currently it's not even listed...
23:27:04DefineByte*under construction* :0
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23:29:25Domonokyi think this option set if rockbox should go into usb mode, or not ( be able to play songs while charging), of course no usb mode on pp till now.. :-)
23:30:35DefineBytethanks a lot petur. :D
23:30:59peturanything that stops nagging :p
23:31:23DefineBytehey, you shouldn't say that. you'll only encourage me
23:31:31DefineByte;)
23:31:58*petur suddenly remembers how he was before he had commit access :)
23:32:27DefineByteheh, one day (hopes)
23:32:41pixelmaDomonoky: no, I don't think so. It's only there on Gigabeat, H300 and FM-Rec (looking in the sim) and this option is in the "Battery" menu...
23:33:14ShaidMy 5.5g ipod has that 'charge during usb connection' option
23:33:17Shaidand it's set to off
23:33:23Shaidand it still charges when it's connected via usb...
23:34:03pixelmaah yes, Ipods could have that too but for example my M5 doesn't
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23:51:30kugelSo guys. since I couldn't find someone to test, I posted it without testing: FS #8341
23:51:35DefineByteanyone want to commit fs#8340? :)
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23:54:50kugeln1s: FS #8341, I hope you like it

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