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#rockbox log for 2007-12-21

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00:21:16DefineByteI can't remember whether I've already asked today (no-one mention the log) so: Anyone want to commit FS #8340? I don't think anyone's objected to it. :)
00:26:40preglowhmm
00:26:49preglowi'd rather we agree on some rules before i commit it, really
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00:27:19DefineByteI'm not sure a consensus can be reached
00:28:03preglowso there's no reason why i shouldn't just accept another patch that comes in reintroducing contractions?
00:28:42DefineByteI can't stop you.
00:28:55DefineByteReally though, we're talking about a manual here.
00:29:07preglowwell, i'd rather we try to agree on what kind of style the language in the manual is to have, so we know where we're headed, and can tell if a patch is bad or not
00:29:19preglowwe already have some stuff like this in the wiki, afaik
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00:32:36preglowyeah
00:32:37preglowhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelines
00:32:48preglowand http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelinesTalk
00:36:52preglowi kind of agree with what you're doing in the patch, but i'd like to talk it over with other manual people first
00:37:06DefineByteThat's fair enough
00:37:18DefineByteI don't think it's talked about in the wiki
00:38:07n1sthose wikipages are seriously outdated...
00:38:26DefineByteneeds a trim?
00:38:26preglown1s: the first one still applies, the second one could need some rincing, since the discussed stuff is already made into guidelinews
00:38:32n1sbtw I don't have an opinion in the matter
00:38:39SoapA Mission Statement is long overdue for the manual, IMHO.
00:38:46preglowmyeah, i guess
00:38:55stripwaxanyone fancy committing either #7218 or #8226?
00:39:41kugelMay it be, that it's not possible to make a keycombo with PLA? I.e. PLA_FIRE|PLA_UP
00:39:50preglowstripwax: did jhMikeS have any comments on the cop handling in the latter?
00:40:17stripwaxpreglow only the comments that he already put in the tracker..
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00:40:37n1skugel: I think JdGordon is the only one who really knows how that stuff works...
00:40:46stripwaxwhich (apart from trying to set up a separate linker section) I have implemented
00:40:57kugeln1s: thanks for the info
00:42:12kugelJdGordon: Are you there?
00:42:22preglowdoes pacbox have a manual entry?
00:42:27stripwaxyes
00:42:59stripwaxhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-1450009.1.9
00:43:02preglowupdating that would be appreciated, i guess, the fact that pacbox would work differently from target to target will need explaining
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00:43:25preglowi'm not too big a fan of differing behaviour from target to target anyway
00:43:27stripwaxwork differently how?
00:43:38preglowwell, doesn't it have any audio menu on cop targets?
00:43:39stripwaxcurrently it disables audio on all targets except Gigabeat
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00:44:13stripwaxThe manual entry for pacbox currently doesn't document what items are even on the main menu ..
00:44:26DefineByteI have to admit I've never looked at pacbox before.
00:44:40stripwax(^ currently = "now" rather than "if you use my patch")
00:44:41preglowplugins do suffer a lot in the manual
00:44:55DefineByteQuite a few of the plugin entries look like they need some attention
00:45:14preglowand i don't know how much of a fan i am of plugins messing around with the cop anyway
00:45:29preglowif we do that too much, we'll have weird results everytime we do kernel changes related to it
00:45:45stripwaxweird results?
00:46:09preglowlike laggy performance if we put stuff on cop
00:46:31preglowanyway, i have no clue as to how dual core stuff works, so i'll leave that one alone
00:46:44stripwaxlaggy performance with what? pacbox is exclusive, apart from codec, which is on cpu
00:46:57stripwaxif codec moves to cop, then pacbox can move to cpu.
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00:47:23stripwaxlinuxstb - would you fancy committing this on my behalf?
00:47:25n1sall plugins in the manual suffer from not having a good system for buttonmaps so each has to be updated for each new target... I was working on it once but when it seemed like more plugins would be converted to plugin actions I put it off and noone has decided since if we should go plugin actions or not...
00:47:26preglowand what if we move codec to cop and keep dsp on cpu?
00:48:08preglownot that i see a big point in doing that...
00:48:08stripwaxpreglow - is that planned?
00:48:23preglowanyway, i'm not commiting it since i can't test or review it properly
00:48:43DefineByteAre plugin actions mentioned in the wiki? Not heard of them before.
00:48:47preglowi also should be sleeping...
00:48:59stripwaxif we do do something like that then it would make sense to test something like pacbox .. but a future idea like that probably shouldn't hold back current development
00:49:06preglowDefineByte: button actions, a way to map actions to buttons, the way we do it in the core
00:49:10*stripwax sighs
00:49:45preglowstripwax: yeah, i know, just saying that if cop use among plugins takes off, it'll be a major bother to test
00:50:09stripwaxhappy to do all of the testing myself
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01:00:32DefineBytewhich manual peeps should I be looking to for opinions on the patch?
01:01:04DefineByte\don't worry, I don't plan on bugging them all the time z)\
01:01:14DefineByte*x)
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02:20:19supefmanyone know why my sansa e260 only responds when I hold down the REC button?
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02:24:19JdGordonlucky 8-ball says "more information"
02:24:45supefmok i guess ill give the long story
02:24:50supefmuhh
02:25:03supefmmy rockbox froze so I held power down for 15 seconsd
02:25:23supefmi powered it on again and only the blue wheel gave a backlight
02:25:54supefmi pressed some random buttons and rec got me to the bootloader screen
02:26:01supefmbut then it stopped
02:26:14supefmso i pressed rec again and it started up into rockbox but in the original theme
02:26:30supefmi could scroll the wheel around and move up and down the menu
02:26:37supefmbut when i pressed something it froze
02:26:48supefmand when i pressed rec it continued into the next screen
02:27:17supefmi could see the navigate and see all my files but i just had to press rec to get it going
02:27:31krazykitsupefm, boot into the original firmware and unzip the latest build
02:27:38supefmno good
02:27:40supefmi already tried that
02:27:48supefmi held down left and pressed rec
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02:27:56supefmit booted up but it gave a "refresh database fail" on startup
02:28:09supefmand when i connected to computer it said "connected" but it didn't appear in my computer
02:28:24krazykithave you tried recovering the original firmware?
02:28:43supefmi think i did something like that
02:28:46supefmi started up in recovery mode
02:29:01supefmdownloaded an original firmware
02:29:09supefminstalled it and then unplugged usb
02:29:26supefmbut then it froze again and it only gave the "formatting..." text when i pressed rec
02:29:26krazykitwould you mind just putting your thought on one line rather than several?
02:29:58krazykitsupefm, what was the extension of the file you put on the recovery partition? .mi4?
02:30:16supefmi followed these instructions: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=63940&postcount=6
02:31:41krazykittry following the ones on the SansaE200Unbrick wiki page, the "recovery mode". i have to run now.
02:32:00supefmdid those ones and didn't nothing happened anyway
02:32:08supefmerr did those ones and nothing happened
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03:04:30countrymonkeyHow do I create topics in the wiki?
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03:10:47countrymonkeyand How do I get my pdf manuals to split up into different chapters? I need to print the plugins section and nothing else.
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03:55:04iwantanimacI've had a potentially good idea for making the H10 (And probably many other models) work more fluidly with their OF. Would it not be possible to keep a small piece of code in RAM when we use the OF, which checks for the OFs "Sleep" sequence and forces a full shutdown?
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03:56:22iwantanimachi, Llorean. I just asked a question you might be able to help me with, should i repeat it?
03:57:22Soapso you're asking for a binary patch of the original firmware.
03:57:46iwantanimacnot really, just sort of integrate something with ROLO to patch the RAM.
03:57:57Soapyou're not going to accomplish running a TSR ontop of their OS/Firmware.
03:58:07SoapI don't think.
03:58:24iwantanimacwell could we not try?
03:58:53Soapcan you?
03:59:03LloreanIt'd be easier to just hack the OF and replace the sleep with a full shutdown, I'd imagine.
03:59:09iwantanimacthat's true.
03:59:27LloreanBut Rockbox attempts to act wholly independently of the OF>
03:59:47iwantanimacexactly, so could we not have something resident then?
03:59:48LloreanIt's a replacement, and a goal is to touch the OF as little as physically possible, and leave the OF functioning as it originally did.
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03:59:59LloreanHaving something resident is an entirely different concept.
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04:00:48iwantanimacok, explain...
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04:01:19LloreanWhat's to explain. Having something resident monitoring it means that you have to have code running in parallel
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04:01:44iwantanimacright, can that be achieved?
04:01:44LloreanHacking the OF just means that you're changing where it branches to when it goes to shutdown. Possibly as little as replacing a single function with one of your own.
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04:02:01Llorean"Can" is very different from "Would a reasonably sane person attempt this"
04:02:04iwantanimacso you're saying that's too complex to even bother...
04:02:11iwantanimacok. gotcha. :)
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04:02:44iwantanimacseemed like a good idea 10 minutes ago. :)
04:02:46Soapnot much different than cracking a copy protection.
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04:03:44iwantanimacso we would be better off hacking the OF to do what we want rather than going the roundabout way.
04:04:02Soapexcept I'm not sure how you'd run the OF step-by-step through a debugger like you would a Windows program...
04:04:34iwantanimacyeah that's a problem.
04:04:53iwantanimacthen i guess you kinda need an emulator, which needs to be coded anyway...
04:05:17iwantanimacand you're stuck in an endless look of pointless code.'
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04:14:13LloreanAs I said, Rockbox doesn't like to modify the OF
04:14:17LloreanSo there's not much "we" about it.
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04:51:33BartSpainhourgreetings from Winston-Salem NC USA. new user on Sansa.
04:52:51BartSpainhourlooking to share my FM presets and future customizations. can someone grant wiki write permissions? thanks.
04:53:46krazykitis your nick also your wikiname?
04:54:16BartSpainhouryes.
04:55:59krazykitall set!
04:56:07BartSpainhourgreat −−- thanks!
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04:57:07psycho_maniacyour welcome
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05:49:09[omni]my e280 seems to be frozen under rockbox after my last music upload. I'm getting that "no codec for:" everytime i boot into rockbox. I've replaced the file it's freezing on (as well as everything in that playlist) and i've updated to the latest build
05:49:53[omni]is there anyway i can delete the current playlist and see if that fixes things? I see a file called "Go List.plp" in /PLAYLISTS
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08:05:57mrkikohi all!
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09:06:24_sasHi everyone. What is the cheapest 4gb player supporting Rockbox?
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09:08:27Mouser_XMaybe a Sansa e260?
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09:08:48GodEater_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide
09:08:49*Mouser_X is only guessing, due to not knowing pricing info.
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09:50:10j-haruOogaBooga everyone esp llorean, bagder, godeater, markun linusn petur and kugel!!!
09:52:00peturj-haru: I'm sure all the people you mentioned will appreciate getting triggered for nothing (most have highlight for their nick active)
09:53:39j-haruTT_TT
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10:14:08markunj-haru: did you manage to compile the rockbox sim?
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10:21:31j-harumarkun: yeah i did yesterday. now im havin trouble connectin my sansa to my pc. in the device manager it has a big ? icon.
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10:23:34j-harunevermind, fixed by switchin to other usb port
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10:31:16jmspeexpreglow: want to do contracting work? -> http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/speex-dev/2007-December/006386.html
10:31:55j-harumarkun, a question, when i switch from rbx to of the sansa does it really have to go into that white screenline mode?
10:31:56markunjmspeex: congratulations with the baby btw!
10:32:17markunj-haru: I don't know anything about the sansa
10:34:40j-haru...then godeater: you know that white screenlines whenever i switch from rbx to of? is it a natural occurence?
10:35:20jmspeexmarkun: thanks
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10:40:02xushi_Hi all!
10:40:18xushi_i've just stumbled upon rockbox! reading about it and really considering it
10:40:43xushi_i just have a few questions regarding ipod video.. does rockbox support playing Xvid encoded avi's wihtout converting them to the ipod format ?
10:42:09GodEater_no
10:42:31xushi_:'( well, i guess the other advantages should be worth it
10:42:35xushi_thanks for the advice
10:44:08peturxushi_: read the manual and the mpegplayer wiki page
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10:46:18j-haruagain, is it a natural occurence for the sansa that whenever i switch from rbx to of there are white screenlines?
10:46:56peturecho echo ech..
10:47:45j-haru.....
10:48:10RyoSj-haru: this is a prevention feature that is thought to keep you away from the OF :P
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10:50:23j-haruit also occurs whenever i charge my sansa. it startsup and the whitelines also show
10:50:48j-haruso its not a default keep away featuere.
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11:44:23Light-Hello, I was wondering if there was any way of getting .ogg files to play on my 4gb 3rd gen ipod nano that I bought today. I understand that rockbox only works on 1st gen ipod nanos, but maybe a nightly build?
11:44:39peturno way
11:45:16peturtake it back to the store and buy something better
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11:46:08Light-lol, they will only give me money back if its defective
11:46:16Light-which it isnt
11:47:21GodEater_really ?
11:47:22Light-oh well, thanks for clearing that up anyway
11:47:26GodEater_you can't take it back and go "it sucks"
11:47:27GodEater_?
11:47:31markunnot playing ogg sounds like a defect ;)
11:48:30j-harunot many files ends in ogg though...
11:48:34Light-GodEater: I dont know. But its the only Ipod I saw on sale aside from the shuffles. So I cant really downgrade to a version supported by rockbox
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11:48:59Light-j-haru: just my entire music collection
11:49:09markunand mine
11:49:24preglowjmspeex: perhaps, don't really know what he wants done, though...
11:49:45preglowwhy would someone add a header to a raw speex file if you want to play it in windows??
11:50:04GodEater_Light-: so why buy an ipod at all ? Why not buy a sansa ?
11:50:07j-haruok... i usually use mp3s and never really know ogg except for one of my movie filee i think...
11:50:12Light-wtf is a sansa?
11:50:22markunLight-: a player by sandisk
11:50:28j-haruits an mp4 player
11:50:34Light-I see...
11:50:45Light-Wel, i like my ipod, aside from the fact that it cant play oggs
11:50:47j-haruway better than ipod imo
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11:51:35GodEater_so it won't play any of your music, but you like it ?
11:51:40GodEater_as what, a paperweight ?
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11:52:29j-haruwell they say you are "in" if you own an ipod...
11:52:38Light-it looks nice, and it plays mp4 videos
11:53:12preglowjmspeex: and congratulations with the baby! hope you'll have enough sleep the next few years :)
11:53:13peturtwo features not required for an audio player
11:53:30Light-yeah, I guess you're right
11:54:03j-harusansa plays more than that using rockbox...
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11:58:04markunpetur: doom isn't required either, still there are people who install rockbox just for that reason
11:58:20GodEater_freaks and weirdos :)
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12:05:24j-haruis there a chance that rockboy support .gba files in the future? or does it need some hardware mod?
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12:08:05markunj-haru: I think for gba support you would need a different emulator, not just modify rockboy
12:09:26j-haruehh... but can it be incorporated in rockbox and can hardware support it?
12:09:47j-harugba emulator i mean
12:10:09markunI think so, but maybe the games will not play realtime
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12:10:15markunhttp://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24520
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12:11:28jmspeexpreglow: I think he wants to turn a raw file (similar to what you did for the voice ui) he records into an Ogg files.
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12:11:40j-haruit says ipod... hope it also has a patch fore sansa.
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12:12:05jmspeexpreglow: it's been 5 days and we're (for now) no longer sleep-deprived. It's nice to have a good sleeper
12:13:41GodEater_j-haru: why would there be a patch for a sansa? It's for the ipodlinux project.
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12:14:00j-harucongratulation jmdpeex. hope yours isnt as hyper as my niece is right now... :3
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12:15:20j-harugodeater: i asked that coz rockbox plays gb gbc files and i thougth that maybe rockbox can support gba files in the future not just in ipod
12:15:46j-harusince it also has that arm thing.
12:15:50GodEater_yes, but the patch you're commenting on is for an entirely different project
12:21:22j-haruso does that mean there will be no support for the gba files in rbx?
12:21:43GodEater_no - it just means no-one has done it
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12:23:43preglowjmspeex: well, that doesn't sound too hard
12:23:51jonashnJust set up a cygwin build env. but i'm getting two errors when compiling for ipodvideo: 'LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME_TO_GO' undeclared and 3 other similar errors.
12:23:56preglowread a bit on the ogg format the other day, it's strangely simple
12:24:08jonashnany idea?
12:24:28GodEater_jonashn: this is with a fresh svn co ?
12:24:52jonashnyes, just checked out
12:25:21j-harudid you follow the exact procedure on dloading cygwin?
12:25:53GodEater_j-haru: it's nothing to do with his cygwin install
12:26:25jonashni've used cygwin before to compile rockbox, but just made a clean install on my new pc.
12:28:37GodEater_jonashn: I'm only just re-updating my build environment here - so I probably can't help much at the moment
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12:29:21jonashnthat's ok.
12:29:42jonashni think it nearly sounds as a brokes source by some reason...
12:31:28GodEater_do you have any patches applied ?
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12:39:23GodEater_well there's no reds in the build table
12:39:38GodEater_so the source is ok
12:40:02j-harumaybe his got corrupted upon transfer?
12:40:49jonashncant imagine, i'm running on a 2Mbit conn., and i've never had problems..
12:41:04jmspeexpreglow: Feel free to respond to the email then (I've neither time nor interest for that job)
12:41:07GodEater_no
12:41:24GodEater_svn is more careful about it's checkouts than that
12:41:25GodEater_either a checkout works or it doesn't
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12:42:54pondlifejonashn: Does "svn diff" display anything..?
12:43:36jonashnpondlife->no, nothing.
12:44:10pondlifeHmm, tried rerunning configure, then make clean before make?
12:46:33jonashntrying right now... btw: is it correct to specify 32 MB ram for a 30GB Ipod 5G video?
12:47:16pondlifeYes, I think so
12:47:28pondlife64MB for 60/80GB
12:47:44GodEater_correct
12:47:51jonashnfine:)
12:48:26pondlifejonashn: Sounds like your lang.h didn't rebuild...
12:49:03j-harugodeater: i cancelled insal of cygwin when it hanged in tetex extra but i proceeded to dload the ones from rockbox. will it still work?
12:49:15GodEater_I've no idea, I don't use cygwin
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12:50:07jonashnrebuild? but doesn't it build when i run a clean build as i did in the beginning?
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12:50:58jonashnbtw: My windows search can't find the string "LANG_ALARM_MOD_DISABLE" in any other files that the one giving the error.
12:51:00GodEater_jonashn: it's always a good idea to run "make clean" before doing a new build
12:51:06GodEater_esp. if you get errors like you're getting
12:51:07j-harulooks like it doesnt... had to do it all over again...
12:51:42jonashnthanks for the advice godeater. now the clean build is finished, giving the exact same errors.
12:51:52GodEater_hahaha
12:51:57GodEater_so much for the advice then =/
12:53:23jonashn:D
12:54:22jonashni just checked lang.h. The only alarm enum item defined there is LANG_ALARM_MOD_KEYS, /* 167 */
12:55:31jonashnj-haru - maybe try to run the cygwin installer again and choose another mirror to install tetex-extra, and only install tetex-extra.
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12:59:28pondlifejonashn: Check english.lang...
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13:00:00pondlifeIf it's not in there, you don't have a complete set of source. If it is, your lang.h wasn't built
13:00:10pondlifeMaybe you need to make tools too?
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13:01:56pondlifeFWIW I just did an iPod Video build fine here.
13:02:21pondlifeSo it's not just the build table ;)
13:03:01jonashni have english.lang.
13:03:27jonashnthe tools are all up2date.
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13:15:34j-haruwill it be fine if i dload cygwin files by batch? it hangs whenever i dload all that is required to run.
13:15:46j-haruat once...
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13:18:32Domonokyi think you have to use the cygwin setup program, maybe choose a different mirror, or try the vmware dev enviroment, its even faster then cygwin..:-)
13:19:09GodEater_Domonoky: his is too sucky to run vmware
13:19:13GodEater_*PC
13:19:29Soapj-haru: many of the users of this IRC channel are non-native English speakers or visually impaired using screen-readers. We ask that you only use real words, and spell them to the best of your ability. Please do not use random abreviations such as "dload" if at all possible.
13:19:59DefineByteresize primary partition and install linux?
13:20:35SoapDomonoky: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmhall/sets/72157603500634856/
13:20:51Domonokynice.. :-)
13:20:53SoapI'll label up the photos better over holiday break.
13:21:16Soapthank you so much for comming out.
13:21:21peturoh, a tower of beer too :D
13:22:21j-harugodeater well thats true that my home pc sucks on vmware... hope the holidays end already so i camn use my office vmware...
13:22:41DomonokySoap: no problem, it was fun.. :-)
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13:28:37preglownice to see the h1x0 is the cornerstone :>
13:28:54*preglow feels the need for a beer
13:28:58pondlifeYou need a good chunky cornerstone
13:29:07*pondlife will be beering later...
13:29:25Domonoky:-)
13:29:37*preglow too
13:30:06pondlifeBut not until I've found a horrible RPC server threading issue :/
13:30:19pondlifeBeer would not help right now ..
13:30:39*preglow also has 20 litres of his own brew lying around, but think's the wisest course is to wait
13:30:51preglowthinks...
13:31:30pondlifeDoin't wait too long; if you see it turning greenish then drink it all asap.
13:31:41SoapDomonoky: do you have any objections to my labeling of photos with (real) names? Or do you wish to remain incognito?
13:31:43amiconnQuite small tower of rockbox compared to the number of rockboxers ;)
13:31:58DomonokySoap: no problem with labeling..
13:32:02SoapDon't look at me - I brought 5.
13:32:30preglowpondlife: oh, it looks nice and brown still :)
13:32:41preglowpreglow brand bitter
13:32:48pondlifeWell, maybe drink it anyway just to be safe.
13:32:56preglowprobably will later
13:33:19pondlifeThis is OT... maybe someone should make a home brew timer plugin...
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13:33:54preglowthat actually would rock, but i see no reason for it to be a rockbox plugin, i don't often brew while on the move :>
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13:34:12pondlifeJust to bring it back on topic..
13:34:19preglowbeer isn't on topic????
13:34:41Domonokyso we need to brew a rockbox beer :-)
13:34:46SoapWould it be a brew timer, or a fermentation timer?
13:34:56preglowboth, of course!
13:35:10pondlifeAnd a drinking timer :)
13:35:14preglowalcohol percentage calculation, hop amount calculation, the works! :P
13:35:37pondlifeAnyone object to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6960 being committed
13:35:51*petur will not ask logbot to explain OT
13:35:51pondlifeI've not looked at the code, but it's very useful and works well
13:36:21preglowpondlife: looks nice to me
13:36:30preglowhaven't looked at the code, though
13:36:53#>>"explain beer" by pondlife (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife)
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14:10:38pondlifeSlasheri: Is there a method to find out how many results are in a tagcache search? I just need to know if it's 0, 1 or >1 matches, but I don't want to have to get_next() in a loop if I can avoid it.
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14:11:48Veroniquehello
14:11:56Veroniquei got a question, maybe somebody can help me
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14:12:08DomonokyVeronique: just ask..
14:12:19Veroniquei got a ipod nano, but im not sure what kind of gen it is
14:12:37Veroniquethe generation
14:12:57Veroniqueas i want to try rockbox
14:13:01Slasheripondlife: no way to know that unless you go through that in a loop
14:13:10pondlifePity
14:13:27Slasheritagcache iterates the search in chunks when you call get_next
14:13:36pondlifeOK, is there a method to reset the tagcache_get_next back to the first entry?
14:13:45DomonokyVeronique: maybe this helps ? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688
14:14:04pondlifeIf so, I can do 3 get_nexts and then reset.
14:14:15Slasherinot a method atm, just do a new search :)
14:14:23amiconnSlasheri: That reminds me - did you try to fix the database-not-ready bug if there are no entries?
14:14:52Slasheripondlife: there is no need to retrieve all results
14:15:00amiconnAlso, will you fix the statistics feature to work reliably without dircache and db in ram?
14:15:13VeroniqueDamn many versions
14:15:21Veroniquemine is with touch i think, and its 4 gb
14:15:35pondlifeSlasheri: I know, but I want the next call to tagcache_get_next() to return the first entry( again)
14:15:44Slasheriamiconn: yes, i will fix that. I think that i will just change the code to do full update even without dircache, no matter how slow it is
14:15:48amiconnOtherwise this feature should be disabled for low-mem targets as it doesn't make sense
14:16:00Slasherithat should fix the issue
14:16:10amiconnBoth issues?
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14:16:23Slasherinot the first one.. i still need to try that
14:16:33Slasherimaybe i will fix it today :)
14:16:38VeroniqueDomonoky: i dont see mine in the list...
14:17:07Slasheripondlife: hmm, why? :)
14:17:28Slasheriseeking through the search results is not possible
14:17:33pondlifeI'd like to only add the <Random> option to the tagtree list if there's >1 entry
14:17:34*amiconn always regenerates the whole database because he doesn't trust 'update now'
14:17:59amiconn(and 'update now' also doesn't work properly w/o dirache and db in ram iirc)
14:18:21Slasherihmm, properly as it doesn't detect deleted files always?
14:18:41Slasheripondlife: ah, hmm
14:18:50amiconnIt doesn't detect deletes & renames afaik
14:18:52pondlifeNot a biggie, just a nice-to-have
14:19:20Slasheriamiconn: indeed, i will fix that by forcing always the full reverse scan, with auto & manual update
14:19:22amiconnNever really tried - as for me there's no real difference between update and a full rebuild
14:20:12Slasherithen it should basically detect any changes, renames or metadata changes
14:20:52Slasheriamiconn: if you don't use statistics or dircache/db in ram then update isn't that useful
14:21:54amiconnI have no use for statistics at all. And I use dircache only on targets with >=32MB ram and slow spinup (i.e. neither on X5 nor on ipod mini, and of course not on archos :) )
14:22:05Slasheripondlife: but shouldn't it be possible just allocate one extra entry to the list buffer and populate it aftewards if there is more than 2 results
14:22:37pondlifeMaybe. I want it at the top of the list though (after <All tracks>)
14:22:59pondlifeI could remove it if not needed afterwards, but I think I prefer to KISS
14:23:27Veroniquemm only can find the ipod 1st gen rockbox stuff on the site
14:23:30pondlifeWill commit anyway, it's just a very minor bit of improvement that someone can do if they find a neat way.
14:23:35Veroniquewhy isnt there 2nd or 3rd gen?
14:23:47Veroniquenono
14:23:49Veroniquenano*
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14:23:57amiconnBut if updating is faster than full rebuild *and* also reliable, it might be useful
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14:24:24Slasheriamiconn: hehe, then it could be just better to initialize the db :) update isn't that much faster without db in ram or/and dircache. And no any advantage of the statistics data preservation either :) In fact initialization completely cleans out the database while update leaves fixed size index entries to the master index of the deleted files
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14:25:47pondlifeSlasheri: Does initialise just delete the existing files, then do an update?
14:25:54Slasheriso it's still useful to initialize db from time to time after deleting/moving/renaming a lot of files
14:26:26Slasheriyep, initialize deletes all db files first (except changelog of course)
14:28:02pondlifeBut is the update and initialise code then the same?
14:28:12pondlife(apart from the deletion)
14:30:23Slasheriyes
14:30:32pondlifeGood :)
14:30:50Slasheriunless db files exist, those are created
14:31:12Slasheriand if they do exist, new data is appended and indices are re-sorted and committed
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14:34:52amiconnSlasheri: It looks like the zero-entries problem comes from the fact that if there are no entries, the final db files aren't created at all
14:35:11pondlifeMmm, special-case loveliness...
14:37:12amiconnYeah. I don't think we need anything fancy, just some indication that there is no music instead of the stupid request 'database isn't ready. initialise now?'
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14:38:15amiconnAfter all, it's not very likely to have no music on a music player, but it might happen (e.g. on Ondio, the internal flash isn't that useful because of its size, and if you the try to init the db with no MMC plugged...)
14:38:45amiconn*thne
14:38:48amiconn*then
14:39:14amiconnThat reminds me....
14:39:45amiconnSlasheri: Do you think that multi-volume support as discussed quite some time ago would be possible in the db?
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14:50:16kugelSlasheri: You wanted to take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7598
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14:51:04defrenghi everybody!
14:51:32defrengis it possible to tune the FM Radio in an X5 up to 136 Mhz ?
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14:54:06webguest69so my rockbox install skips a LOT when i first start up for the first time in the morning
14:54:30webguest69i think its cuz i have a DB of around 3000 songs? its usually ok by the time the first song is over
14:54:34webguest69any suggestions?
14:55:59DefineByteI don't know. Maybe try turning auto-update ofr the database off?
14:56:05DefineByte*for
14:58:05webguest69it was a DB i built a coupla days ago
14:58:08webguest69so nothing has changed
14:58:29DefineByteIs auto-update on?
14:59:01webguest69i don't think so
14:59:06defrengwhere do I find the sourcecode managing the FM Radio
14:59:10defreng?
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15:04:49DefineByteIt's in /apps/recorder/ I think
15:05:01defrengokay, thank you :(
15:05:02defreng:)
15:06:16Domonokyapps/recorder/radioc .h ist the highlevel part... lowlevel is in firmware/drivers/tuner and maybe some thing in the target tree
15:06:58defrengvery nice... Do you think it's possible to increase the frequency range up to 136 Mhz ?
15:07:32Domonokydefreng: if the hardware supports it.. take a look at the datasheet of the fm chip in your player..
15:10:05defrengI'll give it a try, thanks a lot :)
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15:14:36webguest69defreng: what is up at 136mhz?
15:15:30defrengthese are the frequencies for flight control
15:15:43defrengquite interesting to listen a bit to them :)
15:16:36webguest69defreng: tahts cool
15:17:15defrengsure ;)
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15:19:20webguest69too bad ipods don't have built in tuner:(
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15:28:56kugeltoo bad EU sansas don't have it, while every other sansa has
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15:34:39preglowjmspeex: is that open_loop_nbest_pitch() encoder only then, since we don't get hit by it=
15:34:48preglowby the arm bug
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16:51:21[Aura]Bloodhounhey
16:51:31[Aura]Bloodhounanyone home?
16:53:11hcsWe are daemons, popping up when there is something worth speaking of.
16:53:39[Aura]Bloodhounanyone heard news on the creative zvm build?
16:55:52GodEater_there isn't one
16:56:33[Aura]Bloodhounthe one in progress
16:56:46markun[Aura]Bloodhoun: all the info is in the forum thread I think
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16:57:54markunand here is some info http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Creative
16:58:26[Aura]Bloodhounseen that already
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17:01:14pixelmathat page doesn't have a real wiki name...
17:02:01pixelmaI mean twiki style wiki word
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17:11:00markunpixelma: maybe CreativeLabs ?
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20:06:56Lloreanpixelma: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13906.msg108613#msg108613 <−− Someone says MicroSDHC is working on as c200 he tested with.
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20:19:13pixelmaLlorean: yeah, read that but thanks :)
20:21:54*JdGordon|w should have 3 8gb e200's on his doorstep this arvo :D
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20:45:11pixelmaJdGordon: all v2s? ;)
20:46:21scorche|wwith his luck...
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20:51:19JdGordon|wpixelma: that would suck... they are refurb so most likely not
20:51:58JdGordon|wkugel: you wanted something yesterday?
20:52:50kugelI asked if button combos are possible with PLA
20:53:19kugelI tried something like PLA_UP|PLA_RIGHT and it didn't work
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20:54:21JdGordon|wno, you cant do that
20:54:34kugelWhy?
20:54:40JdGordon|wthey are actions, not button presses
20:55:26Slasherihmm.. maybe i will rewrite that pcmbuf.c from scratch, it's so buggy mess
20:55:27JdGordon|wif you want to do something when up and right are presed you have to use button_get()
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20:55:56JdGordon|wSlasheri: :) can you have a look at the patch to enabled dircache on hotswap if you get a chanec?
20:56:34SlasheriJdGordon|w: i have checked that, it looks quite ok but i would like to unify those used strings a bit (now those are defined multiple times)
20:56:38Lloreankugel: Actions are already defined in some cases as combinations of button presses.
20:57:09kugelSo I basically need to define an action for such combos
20:57:21LloreanOr use buttons.
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20:58:18kugelOk, thanks
20:58:25LloreanActions are really only suitable for programs that are generic enough. If the program is complex, you kinda need to toss out actions and work on specific per-target mappings, it's just kinda fundamental.
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21:00:09Slasherii would like to get rid of that linked list thing in pcmbuf and change it to use fixed size allocable slots. Then it could have inputs as multiple streams with software mixing
21:00:51kugelSlasheri: Did you read my message?
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21:01:41Slasherikugel: about that multivolume dircache?
21:01:46kugelyea
21:01:55Slasheribasically it looks ok
21:01:55kugelYou wanted to take a look at it a while ago
21:02:10Slasherijust a small clean-up would be nice before committing it
21:02:41kugelBasically dircache would be nice, since a) your last commit and b) pf initializes way faster with it
21:02:42Slasheriso that vol_names etc. aren't defined multiple times
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21:18:01LloreanAnyone know if Rockbox supports the LTP profile for AAC? (The only profile I'm sure it supports is LC and possibly some HE)
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21:41:11JdGordon|wbah, can somone nag Bagder to allow -community in the web client?
21:41:18merbananLlorean: faad should support ltp also
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21:42:16Lloreanmerbanan: That doesn't answer my question. Just because our code is based on it doesn't mean all the relevant bits are enabled or converted to fixed point or working.
21:43:07merbananok but nobody uses LTP anyway, I guess preglow should now
21:43:51LloreanWell, someone in our forums apparently has some that aren't working, so it'd be nice to know if I can tell him "they're not supposed to" or "they are supposed to, something's broken"
21:46:21pixelmaJdGordon: I think someone posted an open irc client somewhen... ircatwork it was called IIRC
21:46:38pixelma^webclient
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21:48:11JdGordon|wyeah, i was on that before, but it dropped me
21:50:02scorche|wJdGordon|w: there are tons of them around including http://home.deds.nl/~aeron/irc/ which has a bunch of open ones (many are dead)
21:50:49JdGordon|w... ok.. but our client should still allow access to -community
21:51:36LloreanI don't know if that's strictly true. Our client is for people seeking help/information relating to Rockbox. -community is only in the vaguest sense a "rockbox" channel
21:52:04LloreanNot saying that I actually hold an opinion on the matter. Just saying it could be argued both ways.
21:52:23scorche|wmore like a social irc channel made of of many rockboxers
21:54:41JdGordon|wyep, im not saying it should automatically joli the channel... but not allowing the channel is bad
21:54:49JdGordon|ws/bad/annoying
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22:00:42scorche|wi dont know...i see the rockbox web client as Llorean does...for seeking help/information... -community doesnt fit that description...not that i would be opposed to it being allowed
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22:06:16jmspeexpreglow: yes, it's encode-only
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22:40:16Synx_hmAnyone have problems with the db having doubles of everything, ive tried re init-ing it a few times
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22:40:58scorche|wSynx_hm: what operating system are you running?
22:41:24Synx_hmlinux ubuntu, but its rockbox on my ipod and there is only one of each file, but the db has two
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22:41:58Synx_hmi wonder if its a playlist thing, i haven't checked (i will now) but some have m3u's in the dir for the album
22:42:37scorche|wwhy i ask, is because many operating systems create hidden folders on the device to store things that you have put in the "recyclebin/trash/similar"...database will find these files and index them as well, creating 2 copies
22:42:47|NSA|you know how mpeg has no fast forward/rewind? when i set the mpegplayer to not skip frames, it plays in fast forward, and rockbox already supports fast forwarding/increasing pitch for audio, so i am wondering why its so hard to implement
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22:43:18Llorean|NSA|: If you think it's as simple as that, feel free to post a patch.
22:43:44|NSA|i am not saying its simple. because if it was someone would have already done it. i am wondering what i am missing
22:44:21LloreanConsidering the fact that it's only playing about 130% realtime or so in that mode, in best case, it's barely able to fast forward very much, and keeping audio in sync afterward is non-trivial.
22:44:34scorche|w|NSA|: someone has to do it...no one has yet...it is just like that
22:44:35LloreanIf you wanted to go 30 minutes into a video, it'd take 20 minutes of fast forwarding.
22:45:11scorche|wvideo and audio are quite different in terms of fast forwarding/rewinding...
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22:46:15LloreanAnd video+audio where you're in sync *after* the fast forward is particularly difficult. I mean it's hard enough staying in sync just while playing, apparently. :)
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22:47:16|NSA|and another question. is the ghost/trail effect the fault of rockbox or my crappy mp3 player?
22:47:50|NSA|in the 130% speed its not as noticeable as in normal speed
22:48:13LloreanI assume you just mean ghosting within the LCD, which is the fault of the LCD.
22:48:14|NSA|i would expect the opposite if it was the crappy response time of the screen
22:48:22|NSA|yeah
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22:49:04Synx_hmNope, doubles even when there isn't a .m3u in the dir
22:49:33LloreanSynx_hm: Add both songs into a playlist, then look at the playlist and see if the entries point to the same file
22:49:59Synx_hmwilco standby 1
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22:51:13Synx_hmLlorean: how do i see what file the playlist points to
22:51:30LloreanUse the playlist viewer.
22:51:37LloreanSo simply save it and open it in a text editor.
22:51:41Synx_hmi am
22:51:49Synx_hmi dont see full file names though
22:52:08LloreanHit the menu button, and change the "Track Display" option
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22:52:42Synx_hmhaha
22:52:43Synx_hmthanks
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22:52:49Synx_hmfreaking /./trash
22:53:15Synx_hmyou rock
22:53:59*scorche|w looks up to where he suggested that...
22:54:29Synx_hmoh my bad didn't see it
22:54:32Synx_hmthanks though
22:54:53Synx_hmdoh now i see it
22:55:01Synx_hmim stillign getting use ti irssi ;)
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22:58:56vasphi, does anyone have any instructions on how to update the iPod Classic firmware in linux?
22:59:20RyoSvasp: original?
22:59:42vaspRyoS, yes
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23:00:26RyoSi will have a look
23:00:27Bagderthat's hardly rockbox-related
23:00:56RyoSBagder: true actually
23:00:58RyoSvasp: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/iPod/Firmwareupdate?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=firmware-update.tar.gz
23:01:17RyoSdownload that and the firmware and put it in the same dir, run the script
23:01:26RyoSchoose that firmware and update it
23:01:28LloreanRyoS: As it's not Rockbox Related, that was the hint to shut up about it in here and not spam our logs
23:01:33scorche|wRyoS: the reason he said that, is that this is an on-topic channel (see the irc guidelines linked int he topic)
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23:01:39vaspRyoS, sure its for the 6th gen?
23:01:49RyoSLlorean: sorry, didnt know that - and vasp: no idea sorry
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23:36:11Synx_hmAnyone know any software for ubuntu or gnome that will dl cover art for rockbox?
23:36:37GodEateramarok
23:37:05Synx_hmby default will that dl cover in 100x100?
23:37:20JdGordonand on that subject... is there a script to convert cover.bmp in my entire tree to cover.100x100.bmp ?
23:37:45Synx_hmis that the new name required ?
23:37:50krazykitSynx_hm, no, but there's a script on the wiki that will do it for you
23:37:59Synx_hmrgr
23:38:07Bagder"find . -name cover.bmp -exec convert -geometry 100x100 {} cover.100x100.bmp"
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23:38:35Bagderadd a trailing \;
23:38:56Synx_hmso cover.100x100.bmp is now the required name?
23:39:07JdGordonnice and simple :)
23:39:11BigBambiSynx_hm: Only if you have different sizes
23:39:27Synx_hmahh
23:40:02BigBambiIf you have two WPS one that uses 50x50 and one that uses 100x100, then if you have two copies called cover.100x100.bmp and cover.50x50.bmp it'll use the right one for the right WPS rather than cropping
23:40:18BigBambi(example sizes, sizes can be anything)
23:40:24Synx_hmcool thanks
23:42:05Synx_hmanyone ordered from ipodjuce before? I am in need of a new battery for my 5g
23:42:45BagderJdGordon: I think perhaps -execdir should be used instead of -exec too
23:43:02Synx_hmwhat diff about -execdir switch?
23:43:14Bagderwhere the command is executed
23:43:28Synx_hmahh
23:43:33Synx_hmmakes sense ;)
23:43:51Bagder-exec execs in the starting dir, -execdir in the local dirs where it finds something
23:44:39JdGordonodd... its complainig the current dir is in $PATH and refusing to run execdir... but its not
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23:49:04lesshaste_vasp, did it work?
23:49:43JdGordonBagder: can you allow the web irc client to join -community?
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23:50:44vasplesshaste_, dunno yet, decided to install it all properly in Arch and contribute the pkdbuild back to the community, so I'm taking my time :)
23:51:32lesshaste_vasp, :)
23:51:53lesshaste_is there a risk you will destroy your ipod doing this?
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23:52:09lesshaste_vasp, itunes might work in wine of course :)
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23:52:44vasplesshaste_, It woked, but I cant see the cover art
23:53:03lesshaste_vasp, that's cool
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23:58:17Synx_hmSo where does amarok save the covers?

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