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#rockbox log for 2007-12-22

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00:00:21Synx_hmDefineByte: ya i needed an automated way becasue ive got a large music collection with no album art at the moment, sorry to jump on ya
00:01:19DefineByteYeah, if you don't start getting album art from the beginning it can be a pain. x)
00:01:26Synx_hmya hehe
00:01:53JdGordonna, amarok does it fairly well
00:02:12Synx_hmJdGordon: you said that script was on the rockbox wiki right?
00:02:42Synx_hmnm found it
00:02:55JdGordoni didnt, but the one on the wiki works
00:03:06JdGordonamarok thinkgs an iron maiden cd is porn :D
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00:14:55Synx_hmthis script is broked
00:14:58Synx_hmmaybe its a gnome thing
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00:17:57Synx_hmbrb
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00:25:52KrisiunHello, i just used rockbox utility to install rockbox on my ipod nano 1st gen. It went through all the processes, but when i reboot my ipod its exactally the same as it was. Rockbox is not on there. Any help?
00:26:03LloreanHow are you rebooting it?
00:27:15Krisiunmenu+select
00:27:35LloreanThen you've not installed the bootloader, from the sounds of it
00:28:06KrisiunI'll try again.
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00:28:11Krisiunone minute
00:29:12KrisiunWhen i go to install bootloader it says its already up to date and i can click 'ok' or 'ignore'. Which do i select?
00:29:52LloreanWhen you hold Menu+Select, you're holding it until the screen clears and the Apple logo shows?
00:30:14Krisiunyes
00:30:49LloreanTry following the manual install instructions in the manual then.
00:31:07DefineBytedoesn't ignore install the bootloader anyway?
00:31:09JdGordonand you disconnect usb before rebooting?
00:31:11Krisiundoing it now
00:31:24KrisiunJdGordon: yes
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00:36:01Krisiunok, i just installed ipodpatcher manually. Do i disconnect now?
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00:55:16Tr1ckYHi.
00:55:42Tr1ckYWhich video formats does rockbox play on a 5.5G iPod ?
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00:57:18preglowd
00:58:04DefineBytempeg1/2
00:58:52DefineBytehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
00:59:37Tr1ckYOkay.
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01:00:00Tr1ckYThen I'll have to convert my movies from XviD to mpeg1/2. :\
01:00:22DefineByteThe original firmware would be a better bet for video.
01:00:38Tr1ckYIt doesn't take XviD either.
01:00:43Tr1ckYplay*
01:02:07DefineByteyes but it supports mp4 and uses the hardware decoder, unlike mpegplayer under Rockbox
01:02:26DefineByteJust something to consider. :)
01:03:31Tr1ckYTrue.
01:04:19Tr1ckYBut still, it takes about 2 hours to convert movies from XviD to mp4, and I need them later today.
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01:13:59*preglow opens beer
01:17:45preglowoh, the leaded window opens
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01:19:12*petur checks out recording and hugs AGC Safety :)
01:19:27*preglow hugs agc safety anyway :)
01:20:09peturoff to bed now...
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01:26:59preglowyou'll find me everywhere!
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01:30:26Tr1ckYCool, preglow.
01:30:35preglowis that si
01:33:13preglowturning the deep sod under!
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01:34:27preglowand we'll stand there abreast at the back of the woods!
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01:36:46preglowin stiff battle harness, chained to the world!
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01:38:43*Mouser_X wonders what preglow is filling the chat with.
01:39:29preglowthe lyrics from jethro tull's heavy horses
01:40:21Mouser_XNever heard of it (this comes as no surprise. I used to think that Micheal Jackson played Basketball...)
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01:40:52preglowyou should hear it, though
01:40:55preglowexcellent album
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03:02:18Synx_hmOk so i had to del my .rockbox dir and reinstall it... how do i get full themes, back i dl'd the theme wps zip and what not, but the fonts all jacked up (back to default) and the play screen is not from the theme
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03:02:47psycho_maniacThat theme could be "broken" try a different one.
03:02:55Synx_hmi was just using it
03:03:20psycho_maniacwhen you first installed rockbox?
03:03:39Synx_hmBlack Glass with album art
03:04:15psycho_maniacYeah im pretty sure that theme is broken.
03:04:34Synx_hmrgr that, whats a good album art theme these days then?
03:04:55psycho_maniacWhat player do you have?
03:05:00Synx_hm5g ipod
03:05:02Synx_hm30gb
03:07:21psycho_maniacflamebox is a nice looking theme. I think that works with corrent svn
03:09:07Synx_hmugh rockbox-themes doesn't have 5g themes right now :(
03:09:24psycho_maniactry the wiki
03:09:38psycho_maniaci wonder why that is. :S
03:11:05Synx_hmugh
03:12:34psycho_maniacthe wiki is just the same as rockbox-themes
03:19:21Mouser_XSynx_hm, psycho_maniac: RB-themes has disabled the more popular themes, because the guy who's running the server is already over his 100 GB per month limit.
03:19:53Mouser_XLast I saw, he was at 99.? GB, and that was perhaps a week ago (a few days at least).
03:20:04Synx_hmahh
03:20:05psycho_maniacwow
03:20:17Synx_hmim trying to find a build that will work with half of these themes anyways
03:20:19Synx_hmwhat a pita
03:20:50psycho_maniacthey usually say what build or patches work with the theme.
03:20:52Mouser_XHe's being charged high fees because he's going over his limit. IIRC, they're attempting to fix this, when themes.rockbox.org goes "live."
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03:22:46Mouser_XOh! I think Soap or scorche has a mirror up for the RB-themes... Search the logs?
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03:37:57Synx_hmwhat builds do you all run?
03:38:33LloreanThe official one.
03:38:40Synx_hmhehe
03:39:13LloreanSomething funny?
03:39:14psycho_maniacThe current build or sometimes I build my own
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03:39:53Synx_hmno, i just figured that would be the response... it seems the learning curve is huge for all the lingo on the wiki
03:40:10Synx_hmi just want a clean looking theme and i have to spend 4 hours figuring out which build to run to get what i want ;(
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03:40:41LloreanI think most of the themes that work with the official build are pretty clean looking
03:40:52Synx_hmi agree i just want album art
03:41:16LloreanThe official build supports album art.
03:41:22Synx_hmeh
03:41:26Synx_hmok
03:42:37Mouser_XI run a custom build. It has the GBS and MOD codecs added (7331 and 5241 respectively). Other than that though, it's the official build.
03:43:04Mouser_X(Of course, you'll notice I didn't call it the official build, since it *does* have patches.)
03:43:09Synx_hmany of you have 5g ipods then? and can direct me at a good looking AA theme
03:43:16Mouser_XI have a Gigabeat.
03:43:24Mouser_XThus, 240x480
03:43:30Mouser_XSorry, wrong.
03:43:37Mouser_X*240x320
03:46:20Synx_hmdoes the official have bmp resize?
03:46:25psycho_maniacno
03:46:26Synx_hmi gues i should just build my own eh
03:47:20psycho_maniaci dont think the bmp resize patch is working right now..........
03:51:23Synx_hmis scrolling margins in official?
03:51:41krazykitleft-hand margins only
03:51:58Mouser_X^ What he said (he said it better, and typed faster. Beaten again!)
03:52:17psycho_maniacuntil viewports :)
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06:48:24jim-^dangit i cant remember where or find that page that has the ipod mbr's
06:48:40jim-^for linux restoring
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06:56:12plus_MWhat is the most powerful piece of hardware that rockbox runs on?
06:56:27hcsPC
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06:57:11plus_MLet me rephrase that
06:57:21plus_MWhat is the most powerful piece of portable hardware that rockbox runs on?
06:57:27scorcheout of the currently supported devices, the gigabeat
06:57:47plus_MThat's what I thought, but aren't the only gigabeats that rockbox runs on very old?
06:58:14scorcheall supported devices are out of production
06:58:33plus_MI recall that not always being the case though
06:58:37plus_Meh doesn't matter
06:58:42plus_MThanks for the info
06:59:10scorchethe gigabeat S is currently in the process of being ported and it has even beefier hardware
06:59:29scorcheit is newer, but still out of production :)
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07:00:02plus_MI only say I recall that not always being the case because I remember it didn't take that long to get support for 5.5th gen iPods because of how similar they were to the 60 GB videos
07:00:46scorchethe sansa versions we supported just barely went out of production
07:01:15scorchebut the age of a device isnt necessarily indicative of its "power"
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08:08:31kik_at_schoolHi all! I'm mrkiko! :)
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09:51:10Casainhohello :-)
09:51:17Mouser_XHowdy.
09:51:26CasainhoBagder: I saw you changed the page of RBplayer
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09:54:52CasainhoBagder: what can be done with ethernet PHYs?
09:55:16CasainhoBagder: comunicate with PC?
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10:01:08Casainhoanyone can tell me if actual RB code use DSP instructions?
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10:28:41*kik_at_school is running rockbox on his class-room - the volume is very very high
10:29:01kik_at_schoolHere the control has been totally lost...
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10:53:20BagderCasainho: I just clarified what the dev board has
10:53:33Bagderthey're not ethernet controllers, they're PHYs
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10:56:18CasainhoI had read on wikipedia what are PHYs to try understand :-)
10:57:00Casainhowikipedia says something about make switchs with PHYs...
10:57:18CasainhoI would ask you about DSP...
10:57:53CasainhoI think you said to me in past that DSP is not important for RB... right? or I am confused? can you explain? :-)
10:58:17Bagderfirst, an ethernet PHY is bascially the plug
10:58:31Bagderwith a little logic too, but the main ethernet logic is done in the MAC
10:58:39Bagderwhich I believe is within the SoC you use
10:58:57Bagderthen, yes there's no DSP use in any current rockbox port
10:59:12markunBagder: archos?
10:59:25Bagderyeah, but that's just an edge-case
10:59:39Casainhoso, I must look at info on datasheet of this AVR32 SoC to see If it have MAC.... - I will see!!! :-)
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10:59:44Bagderthe dm320 port(s) will introduce DSP stuff
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11:00:05Casainhobut, DSP is desired or not?
11:00:11BagderCasainho: not that important though as you don't plan on an ethernet plug on the player, right?
11:00:28BagderCasainho: not if the CPU is good enough
11:00:41Bagderbut generally, a DSP is different to program and it'll be less people that can do it
11:00:41CasainhoBagder: I don't know almost nothing about ethernet ;-) :-) ehehe
11:00:59Bagderand getting things to a DSP will be a lot of work
11:01:08Bagderso yeah, avoid a DSP
11:01:29Bagderas things develop, there really aren't very many reasons to use a DSP today
11:01:37Bagderfor an audio player I mean
11:01:59Casainhowell, I read an article that said the contrary about DSP...
11:02:04preglowthere never was much point in it
11:02:13BagderCasainho: I bet that article was from a DSP guy
11:02:57Casainhothey said microcontrollers with DSP can do more with less energy, than a simple microcontroler...
11:02:58BagderCasainho: there's a reason hardly any targets use DSPs...
11:03:02markunpreglow: but DSP instructions like the multiply-accumulator in the coldfire are nice
11:03:04Casainhoyes, article from TI :-)
11:03:07preglowmarkun: oh yes
11:03:12BagderCasainho: hahaha
11:03:19preglowmarkun: but they, just like dsps in general, need custom code
11:03:50preglowand almost always assembler to completely leverage all the potential
11:04:13Casainhowell, I read that in AVR32, the GCC port have DSP instructions, to use like normal C code....
11:04:31preglowyeah, intrinsics
11:04:32Casainhowould that be dificult to use DSP instructions having it on GCC?
11:04:37markunthe Sony NW-HD5 has some sort of reconfigurable DSP which gives it very good battery life
11:04:44preglowyou'd still need to rewrite everything to use it
11:04:45markunundocumented of course :)
11:05:05preglowyeah, dsps are good for battery life, that's one point
11:05:26amiconnCasainho, Bagder: It actually depends on what you call 'dsp' instructions
11:05:45amiconnIf you count the coldfire emac as a dsp-extension, then rockbox uses some dsp code
11:05:56Casainhoin this case, AVR32 have DSP instructions on GCC and are all documented... I think that is a good point - for what a read...
11:06:31*amiconn would probably choose coldfire for a self-made dap, but one with instruction + data cache
11:06:40markunamiconn: How big is the battery in the M5? The NW-HD5 gets up to 40 hours with a 980mAh battery
11:06:59amiconn2250mAh
11:07:11amiconnThat's M3L, M5L and X5L
11:07:16markunah yes
11:07:20amiconnThe M3, M5 and X5 has 950mAh
11:07:55Casainhoamiconn: actuallyprocessor was choosen because of low price dev board and free dev tools and all information about it
11:08:46amiconnColdfire is also fully documented - and rockbox already runs on cf
11:08:49preglowyou're going to use avr32?
11:09:03Bagderavr32 is not even used with rockbox yet
11:09:14Bagderso you'll need to go optimizing yourself
11:09:27preglowand porting...
11:09:28Casainhoamiconn: with luck, It looks like to have DSP instructions that looks like to be good for battry :-)
11:09:37amiconnThe only drawback of the current coldfire targets is that there is no data cache, so iram usage is very important
11:09:51Bagderpreglow: yeah, but with docs and a linux port, theoretically the porting isn't too hard
11:10:13Casainhowell, AVR32 because I and other developer likes AVR32 dev board and tools
11:10:33Bagderthe price mostly I'd say
11:10:43Bagdersince there are great ARM boards and tool as well
11:12:04Casainhowell, yes, I would goo for ARM because of the knowledge here in RB and because all knowledge over internet about ARM... however ARM dev boards are expensive when compared of that 75 dollards dev board :-)
11:12:38Bagderyeah, so you just have to weigh many many dev hours compared to a slightly higher price for the dev board/cpu
11:13:02BagderI don't judge you for that, I'm just taking note
11:13:09Casainhoalso AVR32 looks like to be quick like ARM and with DSP instructions
11:13:27BagderI'm sure there's not a speed problem
11:13:32Bagderonce you've optimized everything
11:13:38Bagderlike we have for the other CPUs
11:13:53Casainhowell, I am almost nothing alone
11:14:22Bagderyou == you who're into this project of creating an AVR32 player
11:14:35Casainhome and scharkalvin
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11:15:00CasainhoI just would like to use some system with GCC
11:15:51Casainhoscharkalvin have experience in programing and also likes AVR32 in this case
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11:16:39BagderI like adding another arch to the rockbox family
11:17:11Casainhohowever I would like that this will be a long life arch
11:17:38Casainhobecause that AVR32 would be in market for long time, I hope
11:17:47Bagderquite possibly, yes
11:18:06Casainhoand always with full datasheet and GCC port
11:18:12Bagderbut Atmel is the only ones using it, isn't that so?
11:18:31Casainhoyes, thats a bad point when compared with ARM :-)
11:19:46Casainhohowever Atmel always gave full datahseet and made GCC ports for theirs AVR mirco
11:20:13Casainhoand now they also support Linux dev tools and Linux on that AVR32
11:20:40CasainhoI hope that will have long life this AVR32
11:21:20Casainhookok, lets see the future :-)
11:21:26Bagderhehe, indeed
11:22:15CasainhoI read something about TI don't give full datahseet of theirs DSP...
11:22:17Casainhowhy?
11:22:25Bagderask TI
11:22:37Casainhoand also not free dev tools
11:22:55Casainhobut why should they do that? - I can't understand...
11:23:02Casainhobecause of concurrency?
11:23:22Bagderthat's the approach almost all SoC vendors have these days
11:23:57Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/09/manufacturers-hate-customers/
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11:27:50Casainhoeheh - I already read that message :-)
11:28:07Casainhoso, a good point to Atmel, no?
11:28:32Casainhobut maybe because Atmel is a smaller company, no? :-)
11:28:34Bagderyes, Atmel is a nice guy in that aspect
11:28:51CasainhoIf Atmel was big like TI...
11:30:02Casainhowell, Atmel also have ARM, and wiht full docs... however looks like they will not upgrade theirs ARMs based micro and will start with their won AVR32...
11:30:32Casainhoand Atmel ARM dev boards are also expensive than that of $75
11:31:17Bagderyes, as I said. You'll pay a bit more but you'll gain a more mature rockbox port
11:31:22Casainhohowever, that $75 can not be a realistic price... is just low price because Atmel wants that....
11:34:18*markun wonders why the Creative and CreativeZVMPort wiki pages look so similar
11:34:38CasainhoI am confident that scharkalvin will be able to work on porting RB
11:34:48Casainhookok
11:34:57Casainho:-)
11:35:02Casainhonice chat today :-)
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11:42:02CasainhoI left another question
11:42:07Casainhoabout DSP
11:42:50Casainhois possible to have DSP in some ARM portal players and RB not using DSP because of not knowing about DSP on that PP??
11:43:37Bagderquite unlikely, the PP targets that have DSPs have them separate like the ipod video
11:43:53Bagderpossibly the PP6110 of Sansa View has one embedded
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11:58:03CasainhoIf I understand correctly, because of no information on particular SoC, RB can't use full SoC peripherals
11:58:34CasainhoIf one don't know of It existence
11:58:54Bagderif we have no docs it is harder, yes
11:59:48Bagderbut we reverse engineer the OF to figure out how that works to find all quirks
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12:01:43Casainho:-)
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12:01:53Casainhovery nice words: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/12/11/a-thankful-rockbox-user/
12:02:36Bagderindeed!
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13:50:02XinosHi
13:50:38XinosI have a quick question, when I start my ipod I get the regular apple firmware, how do I switch back to RockBox?
13:51:14peturdid you upgrade the apple firmware?
13:51:25XinosNot since installing rockbox no
13:51:53Domonokypress select+ play to restart ?
13:52:07peturah right yes
13:52:17peturapple fw stays in some sleep mode
13:52:48XinosI think the problem is I can't shutdown my ipod
13:52:48Xinos;D
13:52:52XinosIt just sleeps yes
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13:53:09Xinosselect + play just turns it off
13:53:18peturaren't the reboot key combinations in the manual?
13:53:40XinosI looked, but didn't see it
13:54:22XinosMenu + sellect
13:54:48XinosThere we go :D
13:55:40XinosI have a train to catch, so i needed quick help.
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13:56:39peturdada!
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15:23:09kavehhi
15:24:21kavehwhen i connect my sansa e200 to computer it says disonnected
15:25:27advcomp2019kaveh, are you using front or back ports
15:27:53Soapkaveh: are you connecting it while booted into Rockbox or the original firmware?
15:28:01kavehadvcomp2019, bck
15:28:11kavehSoap, original
15:28:17Soapkaveh: please use full words.
15:28:21kavehit is laptop
15:28:44kavehi just recovered
15:29:03Soapis your Sansa set for MTP or MSC USB mode?
15:29:11kavehi can get to origial firmware
15:29:14kavehmsc
15:29:50kavehwhen i turn on my sansa it says no DB audio space left
15:30:18kavehin info it shows everything 0
15:30:42SoapI'm not familiar with that error - you might want to search Sansa-specific forums for that one - like perhaps (can't believe I'm saying this) AnythingButIpod.
15:31:13gnu47laptopthere's nothing wrong with the AnythingButiPod>> forums :/
15:31:26SoapRegardless, you are booted into the original firmware - do a USB cable connection to your (Windows?) laptop and then you get a "disconnected" message? (Where do you see the message?)
15:31:49kavehSoap, no linux
15:33:56kavehit says connected at first and after few seconds it says disconnected
15:34:22Soap"it" being the Sansa's screen?
15:35:57kavehyeah
15:37:46advcomp2019kaveh, that sounds odd.. could you join #AnythingButipod or #rockbox-community so i can ask you some off topic questions
15:38:10Soaphow is helping his situation ever off topic?
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15:38:40advcomp2019i was wondering about what kind of laptop
15:38:58kavehok
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15:41:16SoapI'm willing to bet the problem is entirely PC OS side - but not being very good at Linux I don't want to speculate...
15:44:32kavehSoap, it is ubuntu ,i know it sux
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15:47:19Bagder++++++++++++++
15:47:41Bagdersorry.. my son is all over the kbd :-)
15:49:36mooswelcome to Rockbox for Bagder's son :)
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16:28:50countrymonkeyAny blind norsk users? If no response I will stop making the norsk voice ui. I'll submit what I got and that will be that.
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16:29:46Domonokycountrymonkey: i think the better place for this question would be the user mailinglist..
16:30:21countrymonkeyDon't have access to that. That is why I ask on #rockbox and #rockbox-community.
16:31:41LloreanThis is the kind of functionality that'll be more interesting to people *not* using Rockbox anyway.
16:32:11countrymonkeywhat will?
16:32:13LloreanIt lowers the barrier of entry, letting people who couldn't use it before use it now. People currently using it, generally speaking, are using it because they don't *need* this feature, while people who *need* it can't use Rockbox yet.
16:33:12countrymonkeySo you want me to keep going?
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16:34:29LloreanEntirely your choice. I'm just saying that asking if there are current users who would use it is not going to get you any useful information about its usefulness, really.
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16:35:11countrymonkeyI am doing this because I was too early-xmas-happy. My gifts are all wrapped and school vacation just started and I am bored.
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16:35:45countrymonkeySo it is your choice if I do it or not
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16:38:15countrymonkeyDo it, or submit what I got and stuff it? Your choice. I'm willing to do it. It depends on whether the devs say yes or no.
16:39:19Domonokycountrymonkey: is there a good tts engine whick speaks norsk ?
16:40:08Reinhartanyone know why pictureflow's "Preparing album artwork" might hang at 40%? I get no errors and couldn't find anything about this on google...
16:41:12countrymonkeyespeak-no
16:41:25countrymonkeyEverything espeak is good :)
16:41:31Domonoky:-)
16:41:44countrymonkeyWhat do you mean?
16:41:50Domonokyi think then it would be good to have a complete norsk voice translation..
16:43:34countrymonkeyAnd the same holds true for everything else espeak speaks?
16:47:12Domonokyif there is a good tts for a language, it would be nice if we could generate voide files for it.. but it isnt need, but it would be nice..
16:47:45LloreanDomonoky: I'd go so far to say "If there's a TTS that humans can understand" whether good or even just merely barely acceptable.
16:50:39Nimdaemeh, i have song skipping yet again...as in it won't complete certain songs
16:50:46Nimdaeis it possible the drive in my ipod is causing it?
16:51:21Nimdaei can copy the files off, reformat it, copy the files back on, and everything works for a while
16:52:25DomonokyNimdae: try a checkdisk or alike on the drive, to see if there are errors ?
16:53:37LloreanNimdae: If you're transferring a lot of files back and forth, you could be fragmenting your drive, though I'd expect it'd take an awful lot of fragmentation to slow buffers significantly
16:53:51Nimdaei don't do a lot of transferring
16:54:01Nimdaethe only times i've done transferring lately is to fix that one problem
16:54:27NimdaeDomonoky: will the fsck in linux work fine on it? because i don't have any ocmputers running windows right now
16:54:35Nimdaeactually, that's a lie, my work computer runs windows
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17:04:18countrymonkeyHow come korean has a voice ui and no tts engine?
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17:08:58Lloreancountrymonkey: The voice UI is the part of the UI that speaks. I think what you mean is "why does it have voice strings"?
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17:09:32Domonokycountrymonkey: voice translations are done by users, so if they want to do the work... and maybe there is a korean tts engine, but nobody outside of korea knows it ? :-)
17:10:12LloreanI don't see any reason why languages shouldn't have translated speech strings anyway.
17:10:28LloreanIf someone wants it speaking English, they can always rename english.voice and use it with their language of choice, I believe
17:11:45countrymonkeyget it. And I heard there were atnt natural voices voice files. Is that true? I cannot find them.
17:12:02LloreanThe AT&T license doesn't allow redistribution.
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17:12:38countrymonkeySo you say I mus build it myself?
17:13:20LloreanYes.
17:13:37Domonokyi hope to sometime finish voice generation with rbutil, then everybody can generate their voicefile with his own choice of tts easily (also with AT&T voice, as there is no redistribution this way)
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17:26:40cpountrymonkeyI want a female voice for rb. When I type name='VW Kate' in the sapi options prompt in configure, I still get realspeak daniel.
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17:27:22Domonokycpountrymonkey: i think you have to select the voice in the control panel
17:30:54bobruleswhy not store them all in the download center
17:31:02bobruleswrong place
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17:36:46cpountrymonkeyI need that setting for something else. Is there any way I can modify the script?
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17:43:09cpountrymonkeycan somebody close 8355?
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17:44:35Ramlafeature suggestion: backlight doesn't light up on volume button presses. i dunno, just came into my mind, i like to keep a long backlight time and it bothers me sometimes that it lights up for that 10 seconds just because i changed volume
17:44:58bobrulesI support that
17:45:29bobrulesbut how do you make it light up when you want it to
17:45:41LloreanThe IRC channel is not the right place for feature requests.
17:45:45LloreanAs it is, this has been requested many times
17:45:48Ramlapress some other button?
17:45:54Ramlaah, sorry
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18:50:10LinuxMafiahi all
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18:50:57LinuxMafiais there away to format sansa e200 , i can not mount it , it think there is a problem with device , not in windows not in linux
18:51:42LloreanBoot in recovery mode, and copy an empty file called sansa.fmt to the 16mb partition
18:52:03LinuxMafiaLlorean, thanks so much
18:52:41*amiconn just received his iAudio M3 :)
18:53:09Lloreanamiconn: Is that the m5 without a main screen, just a remote?
18:53:25amiconnIt's the iAudio without a main lcd, yes
18:53:40amiconnBut it's more different from the M5 than the M5 is from the X5
18:53:44LloreanAh, okay
18:54:10amiconnE.g. it has no PCF50605 power management chip
18:55:38LinuxMafiaLlorean, where i can get the file
18:55:50LinuxMafiai am in rockbox web page
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18:57:41amiconnIt also has all different main buttons
18:57:57amiconnThe remote, however, is the same, and the remotes are interchangeable
18:58:22LloreanLinuxMafia: I didn't say you get the file. It's just an empty file, make it. "touch sansa.fmt" will do.
18:58:37LinuxMafiaLlorean, oh thanks so much
18:58:47amiconnThe case colour of the remotes is different (black for X5, silver for M5 and M3, matching the main unit's colour), but that's it
18:59:23amiconnI'm somewhat undecided how to (logically) handle the remote on M3
18:59:52amiconnShould we handle it as the remote lcd with no main lcd? Or should it rather be the main lcd?
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19:00:31amiconnThe latter makes it easier to adapt plugins, but it introduces additional problems in button handling
19:04:37LloreanI'd say keep button handling simpler, and let plugins be a little more complicated to adapt.
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19:05:21LinuxMafiaLlorean, i can not get to recovery mode
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19:06:04amiconnWell, we could define all buttons as being main buttons as well
19:06:04LinuxMafiait says welcome to recovery mode , please connect to usb cable
19:06:20LinuxMafiawhen i connect it says key locked
19:07:18LinuxMafialun0 locked
19:07:23LinuxMafialun0 unlocked
19:07:36LinuxMafiai get several of those
19:07:49LinuxMafiaany idea?
19:08:01Lloreanamiconn: Wouldn't that be problematic if a user was comfortable using it "blind" without the remote?
19:08:26LloreanLinuxMafia: It should be able to mount in that mode.
19:10:46LinuxMafiaLlorean, http://rafb.net/p/NOreNg62.html
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19:11:35LinuxMafiaLlorean, when i mount /dev/sdd it has a file called versions.txt , but it does not look like the device
19:11:45LloreanIt shouldn't look like the device
19:11:50LloreanIt's a 16mb special partition, and that's it
19:12:33amiconnYeah, that's a concern
19:12:46amiconnAlso, there would be several duplicate buttons
19:13:10LinuxMafiaoh it sais it formatting
19:13:33amiconnThat's in fact one thing I will probably like about rockbox on the M3 - being fully operatable (?) without the remote
19:13:51amiconnThe only thing on the main uint are 3 status LEDs (one is multi-colour)
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19:17:32LinuxMafiaLlorean, thanks so much
19:17:41LinuxMafiaLlorean, u made my day , thanks again
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20:34:12briantumorwhat's a good video resolution preset for sansa c250?
20:35:32Soapnot sure I follow the question, briantumor
20:35:45briantumori'm trying to convert my avi's to mpeg
20:36:05Mouser_XIndeed. Isn't there only 1 resolution to choose from?
20:36:06briantumorwith winff
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20:36:13Soapdid you see the mpegplayer wiki page?
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20:36:28briantumorthey don't have the presets for sansa c200's
20:36:37Mouser_XSpecifically, did you read PluginMpegplayer?
20:36:55briantumoryes
20:37:04briantumorfound it
20:37:07briantumornvrmind
20:37:12Soapwell - set the max width to the height of your screen in pixels, and the height to whatever the aspect ratio needs.
20:37:14LloreanYou can't use any of the existing presets, as the c200 has a smaller screen
20:37:41Domonokyso 132x80 or smaller..
20:37:44Llorean132x74 is good for 16:9
20:37:56Llorean132x56 for 2.35:1
20:38:35Llorean108x80 or 106x80 for "Fullscreen" / 4:3
20:39:59Soapare the pixels on the C200 series square?
20:40:44LloreanNot exactly
20:41:03LloreanAt least, I don't think so.
20:41:35LloreanBut I haven't bothered to try to account for pixel aspect ratio.
20:41:51briantumorthanks Llorean
20:43:17LloreanSoap: I've tried 132x74 and 132x56 on my c200 and they "look" right, so it seems good enough to me at least.
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21:02:29briantumorare there any fast forward options for the mpeg player?
21:02:55LloreanOnly selecting the start poin
21:02:56Lloreant
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22:01:57kugelIs there a way to diff a patch when I have a previous patch installed?
22:02:19kugelI.e. I have patch A and B applied
22:02:20Bagderremove the existing patch first
22:02:37kugelBut if B is dependant of A?
22:03:00Bagderthen I guess it makes sense to make B with A already present
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22:04:01kugelSo there's no way? Sad...but ok
22:04:21LloreanOnce a patch is applied, you can't tell which lines come from which patch.
22:04:48LloreanWhat you'd have to do is make a copy of "source with A and B" and "Source with just A" and diff between the two of them, to get B
22:04:57kugelthe diff file tells it
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22:05:25LloreanNow your question no longer makes sense.
22:05:36LloreanIf you have a diff file of the patch, why are you trying to diff it?
22:05:45kugelI have the diff of A
22:05:51kugeland need the diff of B
22:06:18LloreanWhich means you either need to remove A or compare "Source+A" to "Source+A+B"
22:06:37LloreanYou can't compare "Source+A+B" to "Source" and magically get just B.
22:06:49kugelI'm aware of that
22:06:54kugelthat's why I'm asking
22:07:31LloreanWell I've given you two ways to do it.
22:07:38kugelcan I mark the source+A as source, so that the diff of source+A+B gives B?
22:07:57Lloreandiff compares to files, or two sets of files.
22:08:04LloreanThere's no "mark as source"
22:08:14LloreanYou just have a source file, and a modified file, and have it compare the two.
22:08:15kugelah
22:08:30kugelthanks, I think I've got an enlightement
22:08:33Llorean"svn diff" treats the original svn sources as the "source file"
22:08:43kugelyea
22:09:18kugelso I need to download the source and apply A, download the source again and apply A and B, and then diff both sources
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22:10:05LloreanI'd suggest just downloading once, and making a copy.
22:10:07LloreanBut that's me.
22:10:09kugelI searched for a way to do it with "svn diff"
22:10:25kugelok, copying will do it as well
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22:15:58Mouser_XAre there any Rockbox targets that have some form of speaker on them? Meaning, is there a portable music player that runs Rockbox and can output audio (and be heard) without inserting anything into the headphone jack, or the serial port?
22:16:13LloreanNo.
22:16:20Mouser_XI didn't think so.
22:16:29Mouser_XJust curious.
22:16:30LloreanWell, you can 'hear' an iPod chirp the piezo at you
22:16:43Mouser_XInteresting.
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22:16:59LloreanThe OF uses it for feedback, clicking as you turn the wheel basically
22:17:20Mouser_XAh.
22:18:14Mouser_XIn truth, the reason I asked is because lostlogic was talking about his XO. Since everything on it is open, it'd be interesting if Rockbox was ported to it. It even has speakers on the system, thus my question.
22:19:58kugelLlorean: I can't make diff ignore the time stamps of the file, can I? I looked into the man page of diff (info diff) and I couldn't spot such an option
22:21:04kugelI've got a diff file with some 15k lines, just because of the time stamps
22:21:38LloreanMouser_X: There's no reason for Rockbox not to be run on something with Speakers, though
22:21:46LloreanBut that's a situation for as-an-app
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22:22:34kugelMouser_X: You can use speakers to be inserted in the headphone jack
22:22:36Lloreankugel: I didn't even know diff cared about timestamps. You know you could just touch both files so that they both have current timestamps.
22:22:50Mouser_XYes, I was just curious.
22:23:00Mouser_Xkugel: That wasn't my question.
22:23:05Bagderkugel: svn diff diffs file changes, not timestamps
22:23:10LloreanA 15k long diff sounds to me like whitespace issues.
22:23:24Bagderindeed
22:23:29Bagderor A LOT of changes
22:25:01kugelmy diff looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/828982
22:25:26kugelI used "diff -ru rockbox rockbox5 > asdf.diff"
22:25:44Bagderright, but that's a weird thing to do
22:25:50Bagderif those are svn checkouts
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22:26:19Bagdersince there will be svn metadata in there that you diff as well
22:28:48kugelI seem to have to ignore those .svn directories
22:28:56*mrkiko ates pastebin-style services
22:29:42Mouser_Xates?
22:29:45Mouser_XAnd, why?
22:29:47Bagderyou ate them?
22:30:19amiconnCould also be an lf vs. crlf issue
22:30:36Bagderamiconn: his sample is clearly not that though
22:30:47amiconnok
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22:31:37mrkikoMouser_X: cause they are very difficult to use in lynx-style browsers
22:31:54Bagdermrkiko: and what good alternatives do you suggest?
22:32:17mrkikoAnd I should enter a line at -a - time: I can't use GPM cut-and-paste and the brltty one doesn't work in some situations...
22:33:22mrkikoBagder: I would like a command-line client-server structure, whith a client requesting an output snippet and the server receiving them and collecting..
22:33:38mrkikoProbably it wouldn't be so difficult to implement...
22:34:03Bagderyou could do that using an existing service more or less with curl ;-)
22:34:03mrkikoThe only problem is that the server may be vulnerable to various attacks this way
22:34:24mrkikoBagder: may be...
22:34:42amiconnMouser_X: Perhaps they're tasty... ;)
22:34:42mrkikoor even wget may be with some piping tricks
22:34:57Mouser_XHeh @ amiconn.
22:35:26Bagdermrkiko: it's just a POST to submit and a GET to get so yes, either one can do it
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22:38:48kugelduh, I got my diff
22:38:51kugelthanks people
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22:41:54saratogahas anyone been following the default theme work closely the last week?
22:42:07saratogai haven't been around much, but the lastest results look great
22:42:16saratogai'm wondering how much more people think needs to be done
22:42:34BagderI think they're fine to run with
22:42:41Bagderwe can always improve further over time
22:43:07kugelI like it
22:43:43kugelBut isn't the work obsolete when viewports comes?
22:46:16saratogathen lets get it together and commit
22:46:33saratogai'm sure once its out they'll be a flood of comments and complaints
22:46:40Bagderoh yes
22:46:42saratogai'd love to get those while everyone is still enthusiastic
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22:48:18saratogawhere is the default theme actually programmed?
22:49:43Lloreansaratoga: I think linuxstb put a patch in the tracker for using default themes
22:50:10LloreanI think we want to keep the old hard-coded one in the binary, and just have it default to loading it from files still.
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22:56:25*amiconn wouldn't want the current suggestion or any other bitmap-heavy wps going to be the default unless one of the speedup ideas will go in first
22:56:48BagderI disagree
22:57:11Bagderyou can always select another WPS if you want another one
22:57:19amiconnI know
22:57:33amiconnHowever, slow boot makes a bad first impression, imo
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22:57:50BagderI think the current way is worse
22:57:52LloreanIt's still going to be a faster boot than just about any OF on any of the targets we support.
22:57:55Bagderfor first impression
22:57:57amiconnOf the current suggestions, the bitmap strip idea sounds promising
22:58:23LloreanI think "somewhat faster than the OF, and looks good" is better than "much faster than the OF, but looks unappealing"
22:58:29Bagderso imho, changing default improves first-impression, and we can always improve load time
22:58:30LloreanBitmap strip?
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22:58:48amiconnIt's not too complex, while saving a lot of individual bitmapos
22:59:47amiconnLlorean: Allowing (optional?) use of a vertical bmp strip for multivalue conditionals, like volume, battery, audio format...
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23:01:16LloreanAh, yes.
23:01:18LloreanI like that one too
23:02:20nardulIs there any way to exclude folders from being added to the database?
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23:03:01LloreanThere's a file to tell the database to ignore a folder. I can't remember what it's called exactly.
23:03:10LloreanYou'll see it in various folders inside the .rockbox folder, I think
23:04:31nardulhmmm
23:04:59nardulThanks, I'll give it a look. Cursed podcasts and their completely useless tagginh
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23:14:59nardulah. Simply putting a "database.ignore" file in the folders you do not want scanned, it and all subfolders are left out.
23:15:11nardulThat'll suffice
23:17:35Mouser_XThanks. I was *just* searching the wiki for that.
23:20:48briantumoris there anyway to load additional codecs?
23:21:02briantumorto play avi's?
23:21:14Mouser_XCode it yourself?
23:21:20briantumorhmm
23:22:04nardulThat's a no...
23:22:26Mouser_XClose enough.
23:22:46Bagderavi is a container format, not a codec
23:23:10briantumori'm aware
23:23:47briantumorthat's why i mentioned codecs
23:24:15Bagderthere's really very little point in adding support in more video codecs
23:24:21Bagdersince you need to transcode anyway
23:24:30briantumorfor compression
23:24:35LloreanWell, h.264 might be nice.
23:24:43LloreanBut it's pretty cpu intensive.
23:24:55briantumorhmm... i guess
23:25:30LloreanMPEG4 really is not particularly ahead of MPEG2. Heck, the first generation of Blu Ray discs were still MPEG2 if the wikipedia article is correct.
23:26:00LloreanWell MPEG4-ASP, which is what people usually mean when they say "avi files"
23:27:14saratogai don't see the point in h.264 until we have CPUs fast enough to decode standard def content
23:27:18saratogasame with Divx
23:27:27Lloreansaratoga: Well, DivX is MPEG4-ASP again
23:27:34saratogathough maybe once we get the Gigabeat S going
23:27:39Lloreanh264 would give at least a decent size benefit at this quality.
23:27:41saratogaor some target with a beefy DSP core
23:28:06LloreanBut only assuming a fast enough processor to decode.
23:28:09saratogai don't think theres much h.264 compression benefit over mpeg2 on the portable profiles
23:28:27saratogaall the fun stuff is turned off to get the CPU load reasonible
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23:28:41LloreanWell yeah, as I said ,assuming a fast enough processor.
23:29:06saratogai doubt thats going to happen for quite a few years
23:29:44LloreanBut MPEG2 looks more than good enough at fairly small file sizes on the screens we've got.
23:29:58LloreanEspecially on the Gigabeat with dithering.
23:31:07Genre9mp3Don't forget that H300 is capable of 224x176@10fps XVID with RetailOS btw..
23:31:25LloreanYeah
23:32:05LloreanWe get nearly twice that with Mpeg2 though
23:32:12Genre9mp3sure
23:32:50saratogawhich Xvid profile?
23:33:00saratogaif its just SP, thats not much different then MPEG2
23:33:32Genre9mp3saratoga: To be honest, I don't have a clue
23:34:41saratogai get the impression that video codecs advance even less then audio codecs
23:34:53saratogajust the newer ones use more CPU and thus can compress a little better then the old
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23:36:04Genre9mp3Well, I suppose you could say something similar with the newest lossless audio codecs
23:36:42saratogaindeed
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23:37:53Bagderwe need fractal based compression!
23:39:18saratogahas anyone looked into VC-1?
23:39:30saratogaits supposed to be the more CPU efficent of the current generation codecs
23:39:32LloreanI read a comparison of it to other codecs, but like, 2 years old
23:39:45LloreanIt didn't do badly even then, though. 's the wavelet based one, right?
23:39:55saratogaits still dct
23:40:03LloreanWhat's the wavelet based one then?
23:40:10saratogasnow and dirac i think
23:40:16LloreanAh, maybe I was thinking of dirac.
23:40:22LloreanVery, very, very slow encoding, that one.
23:40:28saratogayeah
23:40:39saratogasnow is supposed to actually be usable
23:40:42LloreanThen again, x264 with all the bells and whistles is pretty slow too.
23:41:10saratogai haven't tried it, but i hear that its interesting to look at since it doesn't use blocks
23:43:10saratogai need to read about video formats
23:43:15saratogai know nothing about them
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23:45:22LloreanSee, I have a different opinion of the missing "key" feature of our video player.
23:46:09LloreanI think it'd be nice if it could scale smaller videos, assuming it could be done efficiently enough. On a screen that small, a slightly smaller video, with quick scaling, probably won't look much worse, and if the scaling is fast, could decode faster, right?
23:48:26saratogai only know how to do optimal scaling, and thats insanely slow, not sure how fast we could do it while getting ok quality
23:48:36saratogai'm really more interested in the next generation of players though
23:48:56saratogathe PP days are coming to an end, and soon we'll have enough CPU power to do all this stuff
23:49:28saratogahell if the TMS people ever get a port, we'd have enough CPU power in the last generation to do this stuff
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