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#rockbox log for 2007-12-24

00:00:19briantumorall=me
00:00:20 Quit lns ("apt-get moo")
00:00:22Mouser_XIndeed. It's great stuff.
00:00:41Mouser_XThey sure didn't stick around long...
00:00:56briantumorhow ungrateful
00:01:17Mouser_XHeh.
00:01:52briantumorso.. you don't _need_ debian for a proper dev environment for rockbox, correct?
00:01:56briantumorso i can use slackware
00:02:07aliaskbriantumor: Sure
00:02:11briantumor:)
00:02:31briantumori still planning on getting tron ported to it
00:02:47Mouser_XTron?
00:02:54Mouser_XIsn't that similar to snake?
00:02:58briantumoryes
00:03:05Soapyou mean the cycle-don't-cross-the-trails game?
00:03:09briantumoryeah
00:03:11LambdaCalculus37Oops... last patch to FS #8359 messed up a few strings.
00:03:15LambdaCalculus37Just fixed some more.
00:03:21mrkiko8connirc.tin.it
00:03:35mrkikosorry
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00:04:04briantumorit's like snake, with one player as cpu
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00:06:04countrymonkeywebI need help. I am trying to patch 7578, but they won't patch. Could someone send me the patched files?
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00:07:49Mouser_Xcountrymonkeyweb: What are you trying to do?
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00:08:15Mouser_XSpecifically, are you trying to generate a voice that has a space in the name?
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00:08:32Mouser_XThey fixed that in SVN awhile ago, when Calcipher attempted to do the same thing.
00:08:51Mouser_XUser " or ' marks (I can't remember which.)
00:09:01Mouser_X(Or where, but I know they work.)
00:09:50countrymonkeywebI am trying to get sapi4 to work on cygwin. 7578 is a patch to do that.
00:10:09countrymonkeywebOh, 8359 needs to be committed. More lang updates
00:10:14Mouser_XIf you're doing what I think I think you're doing, then Calcipher was attempting to generate voices with the exact same "voice font" you're trying to use.
00:10:42countrymonkeywebHe uses sapi5. Sapi4 is not availible and that is what 7578 does.
00:10:43Mouser_XAnd, as I already said, that's been fixed, because he successfully generated voice files using SVN.
00:11:27countrymonkeywebsapi5 svn!
00:11:31Mouser_XHmmm. The name of the "voice font" he used I thought was the same as the one you're trying to use. Of course, I guess that could work with both Sapi4 as well as 5.
00:11:59countrymonkeyweb,sapi4 doesn't bleepin work at all!
00:12:11Mouser_Xcountrymonkeyweb: Do you read?
00:12:37countrymonkeywebsorry
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00:12:50countrymonkeywebHow do I build a sapi4 voice then?
00:12:56Mouser_XSeriously, I didn't say that it did. It's been at least a month since Calcipher generated his voice files. It's not like I took notes to see which voice engine he used.
00:13:14amiconncountrymonkeyweb: sapi4 *does* work in svn
00:13:38Mouser_Xamiconn: Thanks.
00:13:57countrymonkeywebThen 7578 should be closed. And how do you do it?
00:14:42amiconnWhen configuring, just add /sapi4 to the parameter list. And if the voice name contains space(s), put the whole /voice parameter in single quotes
00:15:01amiconnE.g. 'voice:My Voice'
00:15:10amiconnErm, '/voice:My Voice'
00:16:04countrymonkeywebSo the complete string would be /sapi4 /voice: "fictional voice"
00:16:39amiconnno
00:16:55amiconn/sapi4 '/voice:fictional voice'
00:17:13amiconnSingle quotes, around the whole parameter
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00:17:32countrymonkeywebOh. Any other options I can add?
00:17:52amiconnYes, /speed:n
00:18:10amiconnThe speed parameter has different meanings for sapi4 than for sapi5
00:18:25countrymonkeywebN is a value from what number to what number?
00:18:37countrymonkeywebfor both 4 and 5?
00:18:54 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend")
00:19:00aliaskNico_P: Around?
00:19:08Nico_Pyes :)
00:19:26countrymonkeywebWhat are the speed values for sapi4 and sapi5?
00:19:36aliaskI'm having trouble deleting an old build of rockbox from the gigabeat, how have you been doing it?
00:19:36Mouser_XNico_P: I encountered a (rare, but reproducable) buffering bug.
00:19:50Nico_Pmtp-delete
00:20:06amiconnIirc, for sapi5 you can use -10...+10, with 0 being the default (that should match the slider in the tts control panel)
00:20:17amiconnAnd for sapi4, it's word-per-minute iirc
00:20:19countrymonkeywebsapi4?
00:20:23amiconnDefaults to 160
00:20:29Mouser_XNico_P: Specifically, it has to do with the "repeat 1" mode, and disableing it using the main menu, and not the "quick menu."
00:20:45aliaskNico_P: mtp-delfile rockbox.gigabeat"?
00:20:51amiconnIf you build a sapi4 voice, be prepared that it will take ages compared to sapi5
00:21:03amiconnsapi4 isn't really suited for scripting...
00:21:18Nico_Paliask: mtp-delfile <id>
00:21:40aliaskNico_P: The internal filename? Like 001 etc?
00:21:52Nico_Pyou get it with mtp-files
00:22:01Nico_Pand it's also displayed when you send the file
00:22:16aliaskAha! Thanks :)
00:22:20countrymonkeywebthx
00:23:43Nico_PMouser_X: sounds familiar... isn't there a bug report already?
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00:24:14Nico_Paliask: are you any closer to getting interrupts working?
00:24:50Mouser_XNico_P: The problem is that rebuffering doesn't happen, when you turn off "repeat 1" from within the main menu. As a result, once the current file finishes, it goes to the next file. However, due to how repeat 1 currently works, the next file is a duplicate of the previous file. Thus, when it goes to the next file, it plays the same thing it just finished playing. It will do this until it refills the buffer, or until you force a buffer refill by do
00:24:59Mouser_XNico_P: No idea...
00:25:13Mouser_XIt didn't occur to me to look.
00:25:21*Mouser_X hasn't done *that* much bug reporting.
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00:26:14LambdaCalculus37I'm going to be off for now.
00:26:22LambdaCalculus37In the meantime, Merry Xmas to everyone!
00:26:29aliaskNico_P: I have managed to get the DRAM remapped from 0x88000000 to 0x0, so in theory all we need to do now is load the exception vector table at 0x0 and it should work. I haven't tried yet though.
00:26:56countrymonkeyweb8359 needs a commit!
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00:38:23Nico_Paliask: cool :)
00:38:49*Nico_P is off
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00:44:34peturcountrymonkeyweb: 8359 isn't ready for commit. And it looks like it adds strings that shouldn't be there...
00:45:05countrymonkeywebI know rasher is doing bit-by-bit committing.
00:45:57petursure, but that patch doesn't apply and when you do try, it isn't correct.
00:46:20countrymonkeywebok
00:47:17peturany h1x0 owners around?
00:47:46peturamiconn: recording on h1x0 is started by pressing REC, right?
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00:50:21JaearessI just installed Rockbox on my iriver H10 20GB using rbutil. Rockbox boots just fine. However, from what I've read, I have to boot into the original firmware to add songs to my player (because it doesn't run as a UMS device normally.) When I try to get it to boot into the iriver firmware, I get a message about missing files. Something like "Can't run file /System/OF.mi4: File Not Found Can't run file /System/OF.bin: File Not Found." Is there
00:50:22Jaearessanyway to get it fixed so I can get back to the iriver firmware?
00:51:35peturJaearess: there's a recovery mode to boot into. let me get the wiki page for you
00:54:45peturnot a wiki but an MR link. It does not apply to the 20GB but the UMS boottrick is probably the same: http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/H10_Firmware_Conversion:_MTP/UMS
00:58:06 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz")
00:58:11Jaearesspetur: Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can't believe I didn't find that myself in my searching, but it works! :)
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01:06:44amiconnmeh
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01:29:52aliaskAre there any ARM targets that have interrupts in the bootloader?
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01:35:48amiconnOn PP we don't enable interrupts in the bootloader in order to not confuse the OF
01:37:26amiconnI have no idea regarding what the gigabeat f/x or iFP bootloaders do (does an iFP bootloader even exist?)
01:37:30aliaskMaybe interrupts are enabled for the GigabeatF/X, but it doesn't look like the vector table is set up in the BL
01:38:14Lloreanamiconn: No, the iFP doesn't use a bootloader
01:38:25LloreanRockbox is launched by hacking the OF to execute WMA files rather than playing them.
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01:39:45amiconnoh my
01:40:03*amiconn already forgot *how* bad vinyl sounds in comparison to CD...
01:40:38aliaskYet some people prefer it.
01:42:00*amiconn is doing some recording on H1x0
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01:50:10Soaphow plausable would RIAA curve pre-emphasis correction be _on_ target?
01:50:21Soaptoo much CPU?
01:50:30*Soap has no idea how complicated the filters are.
01:50:53amiconnIirc preglow did some experiments regarding riaa deemphasis
01:51:40amiconnBut in fact I see no point in that - you need a preamp anyway, and a phono preamp normally already applies deemphasis
01:52:09Soapdouble true
01:53:47amiconnAnd doing it before a-d conversion increases dynamics for bass (not that it matters much, considering the snr of vinyl..)
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04:16:13countrymonkeywebWhat are the rbspeexenc options that are possible at the prompt in configure?
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04:18:07escargotHello! I have a stupid question: how do I create a bookmark?
04:18:35escargotIf I'm on the WPS, I go to the context menu, and there's a "bookmarks" option
04:18:47psycho_maniacescargot: That information should be in the manual.
04:19:05escargotAnd then I press select on the "create bookmark" button, and nothing happens.
04:20:14psycho_maniacescargot: then do the same thing and click list bookmarks
04:20:47escargotpsycho_maniac: There is no "list bookmarks" option.
04:20:59escargotI don't think it's creating the bookmark when I press create bookmark.
04:21:14psycho_maniacDo you have the latest build for your player?
04:21:32escargotI just installed it today, so I assume so.
04:21:43escargotIt's an ipod nano (1g)
04:22:17escargotversion r15968-071223
04:22:26escargotSo I guess it's today's build!
04:22:42escargotDo you think it's a bug?
04:23:03psycho_maniacso when you click "create bookmark" does it say bookmark created?
04:23:13escargotNo, nothing happens when I click it.
04:25:11psycho_maniacSame thing happens with my ipod5g video
04:26:26escargotHm, okay, I guess I'll wait for a fix.
04:26:39psycho_maniacbut my build is very old r15914-071212
04:27:12escargotI'd hardly say two weeks is very old, but what do I know :-D
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04:28:01krazykitescargot, it's old in rockbox terms.
04:28:44escargotAh, there's a bug report already: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8215?histring=bookmark
04:29:00escargotWait, no, that's not it. Sorry.
04:29:39psycho_maniacwell it works on my sansa. I am getting the latest build for my ipod now.
04:31:39psycho_maniacand last i remember it worked on my gigabeat but i cannot test that player anymore
04:32:31escargotYou have a lot of players. I only have the one iPod Nano.
04:33:39psycho_maniaci dont have that many compared to other users.
04:41:48kugelpsycho_maniac: lol you gotta catch 'em all!
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04:44:13psycho_maniacSame thing happens on my ipodvideo with the latest build.
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04:45:40escargotOkay, here's something interesting: it works fine if you play the song through the "Files" view, but it fails from the "Database" view.
04:45:59escargotAnd since I had loaded my music from iTunes, everything was only in the database before.
04:46:57psycho_maniachmm mine doesnt work in the "files" view
04:49:09escargotI can create a bookmark, but it doesn't work properly.
04:51:05escargotAfter creating a bookmark (which only works in the Files view), I can't load it again from the WPS shortcut menu. But it loads fine from the Recent Bookmarks on the front screen.
04:51:40escargotBasically, it seems large chunks of the bookmark system are screwed up on the ipods somehow.
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04:54:18psycho_maniacyes that works for me as well
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04:56:59LinkinXphey hello
04:57:01LinkinXpi need helop
04:57:03LinkinXphelp*
04:57:46LinkinXpcan someone help me?
04:58:01LinkinXpi have a Sansa e280 and i can't install the rockbox
04:58:12escargotOh no, and now iTunes says my iPod is corrupted. Crap.
05:00
05:00:24escargotLinkinXp, I'm no expert, but I think they probably need more detail to help you.
05:00:26briantumorLinkinXp, 2nd gen?
05:00:34LinkinXpim not sure
05:00:54LinkinXpwhere should i see that?
05:01:00Soaplower right corner of the back of the player, LinkinXp. What is the full text of the model #?
05:01:26LinkinXplol
05:01:27LinkinXpV2
05:01:28LinkinXp:)
05:01:32LinkinXp3280v2
05:01:34LinkinXpe280v2
05:01:58SoapThat's the model 2. Not currently supported by Rockbox.
05:02:17LinkinXpno way!
05:02:19LinkinXpuf
05:02:20LinkinXp:(
05:02:48briantumor:( ..do your research before you buy
05:03:08LinkinXpisnt mine though
05:03:24briantumorwell, whoever's it is
05:03:27LinkinXpajja
05:03:28LinkinXpthanks
05:03:33LinkinXpi have a 250
05:03:33LinkinXp:P
05:03:43LinkinXpthanks anyway
05:06:51countrymonkeywebWhat are the rbspeexenc options?
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05:16:42escargotHm, I don't think there's any way to make iTunes stop thinking that my ipod is corrupted.
05:17:00psycho_maniacuninstall iTunes ;)
05:17:03escargotI'm going to have to restore the ipod and start over :(
05:18:02escargotWell, it's not just iTunes. It doesn't mount in disk mode anymore at all.
05:18:16psycho_maniacwhy would you go and do that? maybe restart your computer or the player also
05:18:35escargotI restarted the player, but not the computer.
05:18:47kkurbjunaliask, the m:robe uses interupts in the bootloader code
05:19:00kkurbjun(although we don't use the bootloader)
05:19:06kkurbjunat least not right now
05:19:30escargotIt's weird that somehow it became "corrupted". All I did was mess around with the bookmarks.
05:19:40aliaskkkurbjun: Ah, great. I gave up trying to understand it all, but I might dive back in now that I have some frame of reference
05:19:59escargotAnd everything still works. The rockbox works, and the original firmware works, everything is good.
05:20:06escargotJust not the mounting.'
05:20:23kkurbjundo you have interupts running at all on the S?
05:20:29psycho_maniacwhat do you mean by "not the mounting" ?
05:20:52countrymonkeywebboot into diskmode with menu&select and when the hdd starts spinning up switch to select&play.
05:20:53aliaskkkurbjun: Not yet, I'm completely lost with the current state of the crt0.S and boot.lds
05:21:14escargotI mean that the iPod doesn't appear as a disk anymore when I plug it in. countrymonkeyweb, that's what I'm doing.
05:21:34countrymonkeyweboh... Try a different os.
05:22:08psycho_maniacsometimes iTunes hides the actual disk drive. do you have this setting enabled?
05:22:12aliaskkkurbjun: It seems like multiple things are being linked to 0x0, and I don't know why...
05:22:13escargotI only have access to a Mac at the moment. I'll try again another time.
05:22:20escargotNo psycho_maniac, because it worked before.
05:22:35psycho_maniacjust buy a new player ;)
05:22:44kkurbjunaliask: in the bootloader build?
05:22:48aliaskYep
05:23:05escargotYeah, I think I should get a new one. I bought this one when the nanos first came out.
05:23:21countrymonkeywebNo. try a different usb/firewire port on the comp.
05:23:30psycho_maniacescargot: did you go from mac to pc at all with your player?
05:23:46kkurbjunhmm, I woulnt' expect it to link at all if that was the case
05:23:55escargotpsycho_maniac, I only used a PC to format it in FAT32, but everything else is on Mac.
05:24:01kkurbjundoesn't look like the bootloader builds on my machine
05:24:15escargotcountrymonkeyweb, nothing changed on a different port.
05:24:35countrymonkeywebAre you using usb or firewire?
05:24:39escargotUSB.
05:24:50countrymonkeywebtry firewire.
05:24:55kkurbjunoh, no it does
05:24:57escargotDon't have a cable for it.
05:24:57psycho_maniaci dont think you can use firewire at least on a pc
05:24:57kkurbjunnevermind
05:25:07aliaskYou had me panicing for a second there :P
05:25:18countrymonkeywebDo you use the apple power adapter?
05:25:30kkurbjun:), sorry
05:25:31escargotNo, I just connect it to the computer to charge.
05:26:02kkurbjunaliask: you remap 0x8a000000 to 0x0?
05:26:59aliaskkkurbjun: Let me explain. 0x8a000000 is where the bootloader is loaded, it's not the start of ram. 0x8a000000 translates to 0x02000000 after remap
05:27:42kkurbjunahh, why don't you copy the bootloader to the start of ram and link it as if it was located at 0x0?
05:27:53kkurbjunto the memory remap from crt0.S?
05:27:59kkurbjun/to/do
05:28:23aliaskThe memory remap IS done in crt0.S (that was a pain in the ass)
05:28:42kkurbjunwhy is that?
05:28:57kkurbjunwas it using an absolute address?
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05:29:17escargotDisk utility says "Error: Filesystem verify or repair failed."
05:29:19kkurbjunthe memory map looks ok to me
05:29:29aliaskSorry, I don't follow... was what using an absolute address?
05:29:41countrymonkeywebtrash it
05:29:54countrymonkeywebno, call apple when they reopen
05:29:58kkurbjunthe only other stuff I see located at 0x0 is the comment section, you could call the MMU functions from crt0.S
05:30:12escargotYeah, I'll have to start over. But I need a PC to reset the iPod with FAT32.
05:30:19countrymonkeywebif that doesn't work, trash it.
05:30:23escargotThanks for your help everyone!
05:30:24aliaskkkurbjun: Let me pastebin the objdump output from crt0.o
05:30:29Lloreancountrymonkeyweb: Please, stop suggesting people just trash their iPod.
05:30:38Lloreanescargot: Have you tried the iPod Manual restore wiki page?
05:30:42kkurbjunaliask: crt0.s should apear as if it's linked from 0x0
05:30:53escargotAnd hopefully there'll be a fix for the bookmark problem sometime.
05:30:58escargotLlorean, looking for it.
05:30:59kkurbjunwhich is why you have to use all relative addresses in it
05:31:17countrymonkeywebChanServ:
05:31:27countrymonkeywebsorry about that
05:31:44kkurbjunyou use crt0.s to setup your memory and copy the entry point where you want it to be
05:32:12kkurbjunso you link the bootloader as if it is where you want it to be, for example 0x0 even though it might not be there initially
05:32:22kkurbjunand you use ctr0.s to copy it where you want
05:32:29kkurbjunat least that's one way to do it
05:32:54escargotWow, that manual restore thing looks complicated. I'd rather just wait to plug it into a PC and let iTunes handle it.
05:32:55aliaskkkurbjun: http://pastebin.ca/830685
05:33:01escargotNight all.
05:33:26aliaskNotice that both <undef_instr_handler> and <_vectorstart> are linked to 0x0
05:33:56kkurbjunhmm
05:34:12kkurbjunI was reading bootloader.map
05:34:14aliaskI have no idea why <undef_instr_handler> is dumped there though.
05:34:50kkurbjunthis is a modified lds from what's in svn?
05:35:11aliaskNo, I just compiled and objdumped it from clean svn
05:37:37kkurbjunhmm
05:38:25kkurbjunwhat command line did you use?
05:40:11aliaskarm-elf-objdump -D crt0.o > file
05:40:14kkurbjuntry dumping bootloader.elf
05:40:21kkurbjunin firmware
05:40:56aliaskHrm, that looks more sane
05:40:59kkurbjunI think that would be more what you would expect to see, I can't speak for dumping crt0.s
05:41:17kkurbjunyeah, bootlaoder.map is also a good source for addresses
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05:43:51kkurbjunthe m:robe is a bit different as a note, it has some memory that is dedicated at 0x0
05:43:58kkurbjunso we don't have to use the MMU to remap it
05:44:46kkurbjunwith the gigabeat F I was playing around with linking it as if it was running at 0x0 from the beginning and remapping the memory with the MMU and then enabling the interupts
05:45:27aliaskWhat I plan to do is link as if it was loaded at 0x0, perform the remap of DRAM to 0x0, copy the BL to 0x0 then branch to main
05:45:32aliaskDoes that sound correct?
05:45:41kkurbjunyep
05:45:54kkurbjunare you using the mmu to remap?
05:45:57aliaskYes
05:46:23aliaskI've inlined the remap function into ASM in crt0.S so we don't have linking problems.
05:47:02kkurbjungotcha, that's probably the best way to do it, we had been using just a straight branch in the F to the MMU remap
05:47:27kkurbjunbut I don't think there was any guarantee to make sure that it wouldn't use an absolue address for the jump
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05:47:44aliaskWhich wouldn't work in this case because we are linking to 0x0, which isn't the real address.
05:48:22kkurbjunif you copied before you remaped that could work
05:48:30kkurbjunoh no
05:48:32kkurbjunnevermind
05:49:21kkurbjunso you rewrote the mmu map in asm or is there a way to direct it to inline the code after compiled?
05:50:15aliaskI rewrote it. It was mostly simple loops and stuff, but I didn't enjoy it all the same (not very fluent in ASM)
05:51:17kkurbjunI can understand that, it'd be nice to be able to give a directive to inline a /branch/ instruction.
05:51:59aliaskI know, it would have saved me a bit of time.
05:53:57kkurbjunif you have any questions on the way that the mrobe works let me know, it will be a bit different with your implementation, but I would be explain anything.
05:54:06aliaskDo you know much about L2 cache? There's all this stuff in the bootloader which configures it all, but everything works fine if you remove it (it was taken from the linux bsp)
05:55:07aliaskBasically I guess what I'm asking is, if we configure it and have it active will the CPU use it, or does rockbox have to specifically make use of it as with IRAM
05:55:28aliaskIn which case I may as well just leave it disabled for simplicity's sake.
05:55:59kkurbjunI'm not to sure about the IMX, what kind of calls are being used to set it up, are they coprocessor calls?
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05:57:03aliaskNope, looks like they're registers on the CPU, they all have defines
05:57:33aliaskstr r1, [r0, #L2_CACHE_AUX_CTL_REG] <−− stuff like that
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05:58:19kkurbjunhrm, yeah, I'm looking at that now, I've never seen anything like this on an arm, although I've only programmed for the DM320 and the S3c240 SOC's
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06:02:23kkurbjunI don't know what those nstructions are doing, but if it's possible it may be easier to use it as traditional IRAM
06:02:50kkurbjunor disable it like you suggested for now till you know more about what it does
06:03:23aliaskI'll just leave it as it is, it doesn't seem to do any harm as it is
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06:16:58aliaskkkurbjun: http://pastebin.ca/830716 Does that look correct to you? After linking to 0x0 main() isn't loading
06:21:41kkurbjunthe gigabeat F does this
06:21:48kkurbjunin it's crt0.s
06:22:00kkurbjunthe code is a bit different
06:22:36kkurbjunin the section that states that it's copying the bootloader to a safe area
06:23:58kkurbjunit relocates it and then forces the PC to a location before bl main is called
06:24:51aliaskIs start_loc linked to a particular address in boot.lds?
06:26:02kkurbjunwell, it's linked based on where the .text section is linked
06:26:06kkurbjunbut it could change
06:26:15kkurbjunso if your .text starts at 0x0
06:26:35kkurbjunit will load the address as if it starts there
06:26:40kkurbjunif you do it like the F does
06:27:19kkurbjunldr pc,=start_loc start_loc: bl main
06:28:13kkurbjunif you do a bl main alone it might not use an absolue address
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09:19:40amiconnpetur: H1x0 recording has the same button assignment as H300 recording
09:19:58peturamiconn: yes I swa when I read the manual
09:19:58amiconn(and vanishing shortly after asking a question isn't nice) ;)
09:20:08petur*saw
09:21:10peturthere's somebody reporting (in the tracker) that optical recording no longer works
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09:24:07*amiconn should really put his optical<->coax converter circuit into a box
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09:31:10amiconnWhen builing a Tower of Rockbox, would it be allowed to put a not-yet-rockbox-target in that will hopefully soon become one? :>
09:31:29hcsonly on top, can't support any other part
09:31:40hcs(comes the opinion from the peanut gallery)
09:31:51XavierGramiconn: I've seen Gigabeat Ss in Rockbox Towers way before they were in rockbox svn
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09:32:34amiconnXavierGr: Hmm, and they're still not supported (as in having a rockbox port that plays music) ...
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13:03:24waldoits xmas and i got a sansa c250 .. but .. what did you think , its a v2 model .. is work in progress to port rockbox ? can i do anything to help ...
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13:41:36webguest31hello can someone help me with my rockbox skipping problem?
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13:46:32webguest31i have tried switching my theme to icatcher as it says in the ipod 5g faq
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14:09:12webguest31anyone here?
14:09:24peturyup
14:09:40peturwebguest31: are you using database?
14:09:43webguest31can i create playlists externally(using foobar2000 or some such)
14:09:52webguest31petur: yes
14:10:14webguest31have about 2k songs in it
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14:11:06peturI recently turned on database and this morning I had choppy playback after moving some files over to it, when its background operation stopped all was well again. So maybe there is an issue with the database
14:11:20webguest31i don't have any background operations running
14:11:34peturdisk not spinning?
14:12:06webguest31the disk is spinning
14:12:08webguest31but i dunno why
14:12:24webguest31well a song is playing
14:12:26webguest31so the disk would spin
14:12:30peturthat could be some background stuff
14:12:46peturafter buffering the song(s) the disk should spin down
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14:13:55webguest32yes you are right
14:13:58webguest32the disk has spun down
14:14:17peturand how is playback now?
14:14:29webguest32normal
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14:14:36webguest32but i don't want it skipping all the time like this
14:14:45peturusing EQ?
14:14:50webguest32o
14:14:51webguest32no
14:15:03peturno idea then...
14:16:42webguest32also as far as creating external playlists
14:16:54webguest32use winamp and make a playlist?
14:17:37webguest32or foobar2000
14:18:03peturno idea there, never done it
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14:51:39countrymonkeyWhat are the rbspeexenc options that configure wants?
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14:54:00Frazzis there a way to install new codecs on mp3 players easilly with no programing experience?
14:57:02countrymonkeyyes, install rb
14:58:38TroyMcClurequestion, i know of rockboy for gamebox emulation, but what of NES, idarcnes for linux, but is there a way to use that under rockbox?
14:59:12countrymonkeyno. If you have an ipod use ipod linux.
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15:03:36TroyMcClurek, already have, just wanting to be lazy :P
15:04:33countrymonkeystop! halt! if you tell me what ipod you have, I will build a custom build with a ness port
15:04:53TroyMcClureipod 60g 5g
15:05:17countrymonkeydo you want the build? I will do it for you.
15:05:42TroyMcClureso how would that work exactly, still using idarcnes, but just useable from rockbox?
15:06:16TroyMcClureyes, gladly, would it also include the other nifty hacks?
15:06:30countrymonkeyYou would click on the ness rom file. It is actually sness. Is that what you want?
15:06:59TroyMcCluresure, that would work awesome
15:07:05countrymonkey,if you tell me what patch numbers you need I will include them in the build. And I will make voice files if needed.
15:07:52TroyMcClurenever have used voice, patch numbers i am not familiar with that, where do i find them
15:08:16countrymonkeyThey are the fs numbers. Just tell me what the patches are called.
15:09:31TroyMcClurewell, i was actually just sort of doing the evilG build, pretty much the ones included there
15:10:18TroyMcClurei havenīt really played with it though yet
15:11:12TroyMcClurehttp://evilg.cleansoap.org/README-Fusion.txt thats what is included there
15:13:32countrymonkeythanks. The fs #s should be there. You want me to patch them all plus the sness port?
15:14:02TroyMcCluresure, thats extememly nice of you
15:14:16countrymonkeyno trouble.
15:14:25countrymonkeyI'm bored
15:15:02countrymonkeythis build is from 3/20! very old!
15:15:06TroyMcClurehaha, well, glad i can be of service, so i am actually not to sure how to install a custom build though, is it a simple copy of the .rockbox file? i am using loader2 to load
15:15:21TroyMcClureoops, grabbed the wrong one
15:15:45TroyMcClurehttp://evilg.cleansoap.org/builds/5g/README-5G-20070914.txt
15:15:51TroyMcClurebetter :P
15:16:18countrymonkeyOk. I am actually going to compile under my environment. Do you have skype?
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15:17:17TroyMcClurena, donīt
15:17:38countrymonkey9/14 is still old. Do you want me to compile under sept. 14 or the current build?
15:18:07countrymonkeyNo. I will do it. You are saving me from terminal bordom.
15:19:29TroyMcClurewhichever you would think best
15:19:36TroyMcClurenot to important to me
15:20:41TroyMcClurei actually have to run in about 10 minutes here, catch a train (dang christmas trains...)
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15:21:50countrymonkeyirc me your e-mail address. I will send the build when it is ready.
15:23:13TroyMcClurewow, head not working, what is the / for private? in mirc
15:23:21jharuhiya markun! :D im still studyin the goddam unix codes...
15:23:46jharuintermediate ones i think...
15:23:58peturTroyMcClure: use /msg <nick> but you must be registerd
15:24:35TroyMcClurethat is why it did not work :D
15:24:48rvvs89TroyMcClure: /msg nickserv register <password>
15:25:10rvvs89TroyMcClure: /msg nickserv help
15:25:12rvvs89For more info
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15:27:42TroyMcClure12thank you all, must be off, have a great week everyone
15:28:26countrymonkeye-mail?
15:28:49TroyMcClure12did you not just get it?
15:28:53TroyMcClure12hmm...
15:29:19TroyMcClure12i have been away from irc so long oh wow
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15:30:53TroyMcClure12still here
15:30:57TroyMcClure12you there?
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15:31:14countrymonkeyyes
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15:31:41countrymonkeye-mail?
15:31:49TroyMcClure12yeah, for some reason, i can not msg you...
15:32:27countrymonkeye-mail to: alwayscountry@jangala.com
15:32:38pixelmaneither of you is registered to freenode...
15:32:41kugelMerry Christmas everyone
15:32:50TroyMcClure12ach soo... both have to registered
15:33:12countrymonkeye-mail it to the e-mail I wrote above.
15:33:15TroyMcClure12done
15:33:53countrymonkeythx. I will attach the build when it is ready.
15:34:01peturcountrymonkey: this channel is logged and spidered by google, I hope you have a good spamfilter ;)
15:34:04TroyMcClure12thanks, merry christmas to all!
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15:34:41pixelmaif you are registered you can allow messages from unregistered users (it's in the freenode wiki or faqs
15:34:43pixelma)
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15:42:32peturpixelma: did logbot talk to you?
15:42:45pixelmanope
15:43:11peturI tried playback after recording on my H10 5GB and it worked fine
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15:46:10pixelmathanks for testing, I think people reported it who tried on Ipods so I thought it could be problematic on H10s as well
15:46:17peturanyway - I'm on holiday soon, back in a week :)
15:46:33pixelmabut will shortly leave fo christmas today... :)
15:46:38pixelma*for
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15:47:16*pixelma wishes Merry Christmas to everyone and leaves too
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15:51:11Exidusmorning all
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15:54:45countrymonkeyWHAT'S UP?
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15:56:03Exidusahh
15:56:07Exiduswell I have a problem lol
15:56:26ExidusI've managed to screw up my iPod
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15:56:43Exidusthink you might be able to help?
15:56:53Exidusi broke it trying to remove rockbox
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15:57:02countrymonkeyYES. I OWN AN IPOD. WHAT DOESN'T WORK?
15:57:10ExidusWhy the caps?
15:57:26countrymonkeysorry, didn't notice capslock.
15:57:31ExidusIt doesn't recognize the music on it
15:57:43countrymonkeyitunes or rb?
15:57:52ExidusI'm trying to take rockbox off
15:57:55Exidusthat's what broke it
15:58:19countrymonkeywhat won't recognise the music?
15:58:26Exidusthe ipod
15:58:55countrymonkeyunder the original software from apple?
15:59:07ExidusUhh under ANYTHING
15:59:08Exidusthe
15:59:09Exidusipod
15:59:10DBUGEnqueued KICK Exidus
15:59:10Exidusdoesn't
15:59:13Exidusrecognize
15:59:13Exidusthe
15:59:16Exidusmusic
15:59:18Exidus...
15:59:32countrymonkeydid you use filetree browser under rb or database?
15:59:39ExidusHmmm?
15:59:47ExidusI'm not following you
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16:00:07countrymonkeydid you transfer this music with itunes?
16:00:23Exidusthe music was on the ipod before rockbox
16:00:30ExidusIf that answers your question
16:00:56countrymonkeyyes, it does. Is all the music in the itunes library?
16:01:02ExidusUmm yes
16:01:08ExidusI never put anything on with rb
16:01:35countrymonkeyDid you remember to take off the boatloader?
16:01:39ExidusI don't know how
16:01:43ExidusI've been trying
16:01:54ExidusI can find like zero rockbox support
16:02:00ExidusThat's why I want to be rid of it
16:02:00rvvs89Exidus: I explained to you how to remove the bootloader
16:02:05CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
16:02:05*Exidus sighs
16:02:10Exidusno one was talking to you rvvs89
16:02:18rvvs89You were, actually
16:02:19countrymonkeyrestore your ipod and retransfer the music.
16:02:22ExidusNo
16:02:23ExidusI wasn't
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16:02:30Exiduswow you people...
16:02:33rvvs89Funny, I seem to remember you in #ipodlinux
16:02:38ExidusUhh
16:02:43Exiduslook around moron
16:02:47Exidusno one was talking to you
16:03:02rvvs89I really don't appreciate someone insulting me when I'm trying to help them
16:03:10ExidusIs you people's first suggestion ALWAYS to just delete everything?
16:03:14countrymonkeyestore the ipod
16:03:17*Exidus sighs
16:03:29Exidusthis is exactly what I'm talking about
16:03:30rvvs89If you ask Apple, I'm sure it's the first thing they'll suggest
16:03:41Exidusahha yeah because they're morons
16:03:43Exidusmmmk
16:03:54ExidusI'm gonna go find someone usefull
16:03:58Exidus]o
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16:04:10countrymonkeydownload ipodpatcher and go into it. When it asks you the question, type I instead of Y.
16:04:17countrymonkeyI mean U.
16:04:52countrymonkeySome people! I'm trying to help!
16:05:04ShaidThere's no pleasing some people.
16:05:14ShaidThis is why I vow never to work in customer support.
16:05:27Shaid'cause it's never THEIR fault, now is it? *rolls eyes*
16:05:52countrymonkeyThis irc channel is basicly a support line...
16:05:52rvvs89Yeah, there's like zero rockbox support, hey
16:06:16countrymonkeynot fair!
16:10:17Axiohi guys i try to have pictureflow but i have an error "could not allocate temporary buffers"
16:10:22Axiowhat's the problem ?
16:11:12DogBoyheh
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16:24:13countrymonkeyhey
16:25:13SliMMwhen the database is initializing ("Building database... %d found") etc., if i use the scrollwheel (ipod 5G 30gb), the number of tags found increases faster
16:26:08SliMMwhy's that?
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16:30:12rvvs89SliMM: Perhaps the interrupts caused by using the wheel cause the rockbox scheduler to allocate more time to the database builder
16:33:57SliMMrvvs89: ok.. ^_^
16:35:04SlasheriSliMM: it shouldn't increase faster, it just updates more frequently
16:35:05rvvs89That's just pure speculation though :/
16:35:28Slasheriand in fact increases slower
16:35:28rvvs89Oh, of course, that makes quite a lot more sense
16:35:43SliMMSlasheri: yeah, i couldn't figure that out because i ran out of battery
16:35:55SliMMi need a full charge for database generation :))
16:36:10Slasherithat happens on iriver too and isn't really a bug :)
16:36:24Slasherihuh :D
16:36:38SliMMSlasheri: never said it was
16:37:06Slasherii know :)
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17:43:50Angelofwarhey guys
17:44:43Angelofwardoes anyone know how to reverse the usual bootup of the ipod with rockbox installed
17:44:56Angelofwarso like when you press hold it boots up the rockbox firmware
17:45:11Angelofwarand when it's normal you boot up the Apple OS
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17:45:32Soapcompile a new bootloader.
17:45:47AngelofwarI figured as much
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17:45:53Angelofwaris there a premade version that allows me to do this?
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17:46:04Soapor perhaps there is still a reverse bootloader in the Unsupported Builds forum. Make sure you note the word 'Unsupported' ;)
17:46:08AngelofwarI am not that technically oriented that I can compile my own
17:46:15AngelofwarI could try though if it's the only way
17:46:38Angelofwarhmm I'll have a look around
17:46:50AngelofwarI used to use the ipodbootloader2 from the ipodlinux folks
17:46:56Angelofwarbut that doesn't seem to be workign for me anymore
17:47:04Angelofwaroh well
17:47:07Soapa point to consider, though, is that Apple firmware sleeps (unless you don't use it for an extended period of time) so under normal useage you only need to boot into the Apple firmware once, and then it will stay in Apple firmware.
17:48:09AngelofwarI'm aware of that
17:48:20Angelofwarbut I would still like to simply have it be the default version
17:48:31AngelofwarI'll do some research later but for now I have to go
17:48:33Angelofwarthanks for the help
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19:14:04countrymonkeyWhat do I edit to create a reverse bootloader?
19:14:28*countrymonkey goes to the bathroom, hoping there will be an answer when I come back.
19:19:57krazykitcountrymonkey, 1) we don't need to know when you go to the bathroom. 2) there is someone that provides a reverseBL. just ask them for the source code and you can figure it out yourself
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19:22:42countrymonkeywho has the coad?
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19:23:16krazykitcountrymonkey, i don't know, use the damn search button for once.
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20:08:06J-23Hello!
20:08:54J-23I can't connect my Sansa c240 to computer. Player sees power, but it doesn't share disc/memory card.
20:09:16krazykitare you booted into the original firmware?
20:09:59J-23Yes.
20:10:07J-23but it starts radio or music player
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20:12:58J-23now it doesn't run players, but it doesn't share disc too.
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20:14:45Mouser_XHave you tried turning off your c240, and plugging in the cable while it's turned off?
20:15:01Mouser_X(And then plugging it into the USB port on your computer)
20:15:12J-23Yes, i've tried it.
20:15:51Mouser_XHave you tried a different USB port? Have you tried rebooting your machine?
20:15:59Mouser_X*computer
20:16:02J-23No, no.
20:16:23Mouser_XGive that a try.
20:16:42Mouser_X(Not saying it will work, but I can't see how it will hurt.)
20:16:53Mouser_X(And, it might work.)
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20:22:39J-23I've tried reboot. It still doesn't work.
20:22:39Mouser_XJ-23: Any luck?
20:22:44Mouser_XDang.
20:23:08Mouser_XSo, what happens on you c240 when you try to connect, and what happens on your PC?
20:23:18*J-23 tries connecting without MicroSD card
20:23:45J-23on PC - nothing. System doesn't see player (lsusb)
20:24:00J-23in /dev/sd* I see only hard drives
20:24:34Mouser_XYou're on Linux? I wasn't aware... I've never used Linux...
20:24:43J-23It works without card :|
20:24:57Mouser_XThat's odd... Annoying as well, I'm sure.
20:24:59JdGordonsdhc card?
20:25:04J-23microSD
20:25:08JdGordonhow big?
20:25:14J-231GB
20:25:18JdGordonhmm.. odd
20:25:44J-23produced by Kingston
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20:27:30J-23I have inserted card after connecting player to computer. It works.
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20:32:16*J-23 reads friendly manual ;)
20:32:22J-23It's really friendly
20:33:07krazykitunlike some, the Rockbox manual is really very good, thanks to those that take the time to contribuute :)
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20:34:06JdGordon.. or in spite of those that take the time to contribuute :)
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20:41:08J-23Can I write plugins in Perl?
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20:41:57JdGordonno
20:42:01JdGordonc only
20:42:13J-23:/
20:42:47krazykitJ-23, unless you write a perl interpreter as a plugin in C ;-)
20:42:59J-23;)
20:43:50*J-23 wants to port Linux for c200 Sansas... but he doesn't know how he can do it ;)
20:44:03JdGordonwhy would you want to?
20:44:26JdGordonits not exaclty a powerful device
20:44:33J-23hmm...
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21:26:19ddaltonI just got a sansa e200. How do I find out where it is connected so I can mount it?
21:26:23ddaltonon linux of course
21:26:36bjorn`dmesg
21:26:44J-23fdisk -l
21:26:47J-23from root.
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21:36:53ddaltonthanks. dmesg worked. but there isn't enough power for it.
21:37:59advcomp2019ddalton, are you going thru a hub or straight to a usb port
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21:43:46ddaltonhub.
21:43:58ddaltonconnected to usb 1.1
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21:44:18advcomp2019is that hub bus or self powered
21:45:26ddaltonnot sure. I don't think its self-powed. so now im trying just in the actual system's port.
21:47:50ddaltonso how do I find out where it is like in /dev and what fs it is?
21:48:00ddaltondmesg says sdb and sda...
21:49:13krazykitddalton, at this point, it's not a rockbox problem but a "basic usage" problem.
21:49:21ddaltonwait I think I got something to mount...
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21:49:44ddaltonI have mounted devices before...
21:50:58ddaltonand does the sansa have no partitions? so I just mount sda and should see sys files I think they are?
21:51:14krazykitddalton, your sansa might be in MTP mode.
21:51:34krazykitbesides, you have to mount a partition, not a device, so you'd mount sda1
21:53:12ddaltondo you know where the usb settings are in the of? I am blind and need to direct a sighted friend.
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21:55:04krazykitthe instructions are in the mailing list several times, but if your friend is on hand, it should be in Settings -> USB Mode
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21:58:14ddaltonsettings with music options? there wasn't a usb mode option.
21:59:41krazykitit's the bottommost item in the Settings menu
21:59:54advcomp2019what firmware version is on it
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22:00:27krazykitthat part is in Settings -> Info, ddalton
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22:07:10ddaltonfifirmware version: v0.3.01.11a
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22:07:23ddaltonand its not the last item in settings. its not there.
22:07:28ddaltonand its not in info...
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22:07:52krazykitddalton, then i believe you have a sansa v2, which isn't supported.
22:07:53advcomp2019ddalton, it is a v2
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22:08:35ddaltonso I can't use rockbox on it at all?
22:08:47krazykitthat's what "not supported" means.
22:09:07ddaltonand where does it say that on the rockbox website?
22:09:19advcomp2019on the homepage
22:09:23ddaltonmy system recognises it as a sand disk e280
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22:10:36ddaltonok and how can I be sure its a v2?
22:10:45krazykitddalton, the firmware version IS the way to be sure.
22:11:01ddaltonso 03 is bad?
22:11:20krazykitfor your purposes, yes.
22:11:56ddaltonand is it a lot different to the other moddel? will there be a version of rockbox for it soon? or is there no progress
22:12:17advcomp2019ddalton, no progress yet
22:12:49krazykitddalton, it's a completely different system on chip. keep an eye on the thread in the New Ports forum for more information
22:12:52advcomp2019ddalton, another thing is they have different hardware
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22:16:21ddaltonare they the same size?
22:16:28ddaltonthe units
22:16:43krazykitthey're identical except for different internal hardware and firmware versions.
22:17:07ddaltonwhat firmware version should a v1 have?
22:17:20krazykit01.xx.xx, i believe
22:17:44advcomp2019ddalton, yea, 1.xx.xx
22:23:22ddaltonso what do I do? I am blind and the of is useless to me. will it be likely a port will be made soon or should I sell it and get a v1?
22:24:03krazykitsell it and get a v1 is the better option right now.
22:24:06LloreanThere is no guarantee a port will be finished, ever. Look at the iFP, it got so far that music was even partially working, but never really got up to a "usable" state.
22:24:24LloreanIf you want to be sure you can use something, the only good option is to get a player that already works.
22:25:01ddaltonok so what are they worth. If I sold this on ebay (v2 e280) is it the same as a v1 e280? like roughly the same price?
22:25:27krazykitsince the end user doesn't really know the difference, they're going to be the same price
22:25:50ddaltonok so I shouldn't loose too much if I do it through ebay?
22:26:27linuxstbYou can't return it to the shop?
22:26:59ddaltonno I think its off ebay...
22:27:04ddaltonand why not?
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23:12:20countrymonkeyI wish to know how to install rbutil compilers. I unzipped the 48 mb qt4 zip file for win32, and now what?
23:14:16krazykityou search the wiki: there should be compile instructions on the RockboxUtility page
23:15:01countrymonkeyI checked that. It just said get qt 4.3. Nothing about how to install the thing
23:15:15krazykitthat's a QT problem, not a rockbox problem.
23:16:04krazykitcountrymonkey, assuming you're using cygwin, google for qt4 cygwin or something. that should help.
23:16:34countrymonkeythanks a lot
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23:20:47JdGordonare replaygain settings grouped with sound settings? (e.g volume, treble etc...)
23:20:57JdGordonand crossfade/feed
23:21:51countrymonkeyreplaygain and crossfade are in general settings/playback and crossfeed is in sound settings.
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23:22:47ddaltonHi again.
23:23:03ddaltonok if I was going to do a new port to the e280 v2. what would be required?
23:23:11ddaltonwould been a blind coder be an issue?
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23:23:54countrymonkeydisassemble the parts, look at the firmware partition, that sort of stuff. I think it would, being blind myself.
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23:26:05ddaltonok so and then once I find out about all the parts and everything what is required? about the firmware partitions?
23:26:21Mouser_Xddalton: To my knowledge, what you'd have to do is dismantle the e280v2 to see what hardware it has (this may already have been done, look around). If the hardware is known (as in, has been seen before, and has some form of documentation, either officially, or otherwise), then that makes things easier.
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23:27:13countrymonkeytry to decript the firmware (more than likely it is encrypted)
23:27:16Mouser_XHowever, for the stuff that's unkonwn (which will most likely be most of it), you'll have to dump the firmware, decrypt it (if it's encrypted), and then disassemble it.
23:27:40ddaltonsure. and then do I need to work out how the bootloader works write my own one and then get it to boot or something?
23:27:44Bagderit's not encrypted
23:27:54Bagderand I've almost figured out the file format
23:28:10countrymonkeycool.
23:28:30Bagderand I have docs for the main SoC
23:28:31Mouser_XThen, by reading through the disassembly, you'd need to figure out what it's doing, and how it's doing it. Once you've got that, then you need to figure out how to run custom code on the device (that is, run unsigned software).
23:28:40ddaltonBagder: is this about the e200 v2? if so would I be able to help out at all with a port?
23:28:56Bagderddalton: that goes for all the sansa v2s and they all use AS3525
23:29:17BagderI have no v2 myself though
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23:29:49ddaltonoh so has someone pulled it a part and investigated the hardware?
23:30:17Mouser_Xddalton: Most likely. I think Bagder has some info on that.
23:30:30*linuxstb wonders what's inside the Sansa Shaker ;)
23:30:49Mouser_X(I thought I saw something about it, but I could be wrong.) <- @ e200v2.
23:30:54ddaltonbecause as I said before. I would be happy to help out and improve my programming skills but I am obviously limited with what I can do.
23:31:00Bagderddalton: I've seen some photos of the internals and we've digged around in the firmware files available
23:31:28ddaltonBagder: sadly photos are useless to me :-(
23:31:33Bagderddalton: the next step now is most probably to see if we can get a e200v2 to run code/firmware we've modified
23:31:38ddaltonBagder: I am blind
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23:32:44advcomp2019linuxstb, the sansa shaker would be a nice thing to find out
23:32:49Bagderddalton: I'm just not sure if there's a recovery mode in the same way the original e200 has it
23:33:00ddaltonbut I have always wanted to do something like this. I am sure I could get some info and there may be ways around this. Perhaps I could work on usb drivers? or sound?
23:33:34linuxstbBagder: Do the docs talk about any kind of usb boot mode?
23:33:41Bagderlinuxstb: nope
23:33:47ddaltonok well as I said im totally blind. But would you be interested in my help?
23:33:52ddaltonor any help I could give?
23:33:57Bagderit's not very detailed on booting at all in fact
23:35:06ddaltonwith getting sound working do you need to work out how the sound chips or whatever work? isn't it pcm? I doubt they have a soundcard do they?
23:35:07Bagderddalton: well, I don't have a v2 myself so I'm just throwing out ideas on what can be done, I'm not likely to do them myself within the nearest time
23:35:19linuxstbI wonder if AMS would be helpful if we asked them questions...
23:35:42Bagdertheir response to my mail was very friendly and seemed open minded
23:36:06linuxstbIs it just dan_a that owns one of the AS3525 devices at the moment?
23:36:18Bagderyes, afaik
23:36:51ddaltonBagder: sure. could I email sand disk and perhaps get some extra information on the hardware? do you think saying that rockbox gives a blind user access to there mp3 player and they can do pretty much everything. and with the of its fairly useless?
23:36:55ddaltonbetter wording.
23:37:10ddaltonand should I also say I am a blind coder or will they refuse to give any info
23:37:56krazykiti don't think that would affect their decision either way. they probably are not allowed to release more information by the licensing agreements.
23:38:06Bagderddalton: first, as I already said we have docs for the main chip and that should do to start with. But then I also don't think sandisk will tell you any details on their file format and not about their hw either.
23:38:41BagderI even have a fairly good contact at sandisk, and he never provides any tech details...
23:39:00BagderI guess that makes him a not so good contact ;-)
23:39:09linuxstb;)
23:39:26linuxstbI assume he hasn't sent you more free toys either?
23:39:33Bagderno
23:39:52Bagderand I mailed him a bunch of v2 questions about two weeks ago that he didn't reply to... :-(
23:39:55JdGordonare there any devs left that dont have a e200 yet?
23:40:20Bagderplenty I'd guess
23:40:23*linuxstb raises hand
23:40:39JdGordonlinuxstb: you want one?
23:40:59linuxstbNot really.
23:41:42linuxstbI need to try and concentrate on one player and not get distracted with new things...
23:42:13JdGordon:) like that elio one?
23:42:31*linuxstb hides
23:43:27JdGordonoh.. anything happened with viewports?
23:44:23linuxstbNot really, but I've got hacking time available over the next two weeks, so will probably work on them.
23:44:35amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, are there news on the logikdax port?
23:45:09linuxstbThat's the other thing (with viewports) I want to work on in the next couple of weeks.
23:45:48ddaltonBagder: so we need to figure all that stuff out?
23:46:28Bagderddalton: we need to figure out the file format and recovery mode and then test upgrading to a firmware file in which we modified a few strings or similar
23:47:03Bagderddalton: when that works (recovery + own mods) we can start working on bootloader for further debugging etc
23:47:17ddaltonI thought I read somewhere sansa were interested in helping the rockbox devs with info? like hardware docs? i think it was last year or something and there was a confrence
23:47:31Bagderddalton: that was never the case
23:47:52Bagderthey gave us a few players, but never any info
23:48:08Bagderthe info came from AMS
23:48:09ddaltonso you modify the of slightly to besure you have the correct method of updating fw?
23:48:16ddaltonsure
23:48:48Bagderddalton: correct, by checking if we can modify a string or so we verify that our own "firmware generator" works with checksums etc
23:49:22ddaltonyep ok and then how does that help rockbox? I thought the of runs from flash and rockbox runs from hdd?
23:49:37ddaltonnot hdd. flash memory
23:49:40Bagderddalton: when that works (recovery + own mods) we can start working on bootloader for further debugging etc
23:50:00ddaltonso first rockbox will run like the of in flash or something?
23:50:33Bagderddalton: I don't understand the question actually
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23:51:30ddaltonBagder: well how does rockbox run first? does it run from the .rockbox directory which is on the flash memory where I guess you put music or where the of runs. (Doesn't that run in rom or ram?)
23:51:53Bagderddalton: rockbox doesn't run first, the bootloader runs first
23:51:57ddaltonI thought the of doesn't actually run on the flash memory where music is stored.
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23:52:28Bagderddalton: in most of the recent targets, we make a bootloader firmware that we "upgrade" the player to, and then that bootloader can start rockbox or the OF
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23:52:42ddaltonso to begin with once we can successfully change strings in the of and it works. what is next step? to work on a bootloader?
23:52:59Bagderddalton: that bootloader upgrade is usually stored in the NAND flash on flash-based players
23:53:29Bagderddalton: yes, assuming we have a recovery mode in which you can restore the OF if you try a really bad bootloader code!
23:53:41ddaltonok so rockbox will always run from the memory where you would place your files like music, photos and video?
23:54:27ddaltonok so we first work on a recovery mode before anything else? or is that step 2?
23:55:12Bagderddalton: well, testing a slightly modified OF should be harmless so that can be done independent of a recovery mode, but a recovery mode really is wanted before you try anything adventurous
23:55:41Bagderor jtag access or other dev-style access
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23:56:30webguest12jdgordon:broken builds...
23:56:31ddaltonBagder: Ok well I do want to help. But been blind obviously doesn't help. so is the first step to basically work out the format of the firmware file which I could do on my linux box?
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23:56:48Bagderddalton: yes
23:57:11ddaltonBagder: So blindness shouldn't be an issue there?
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23:57:23Bagderddalton: on my v2 page there's the info about the file format as far as I've collected it so far
23:58:01ddaltonok and do you have an url for that? I probably don't have time to read it now. (Its christmas day) but went I get a chance I will.
23:58:12Bagderddalton: well, I don't know how good you work on these things when you're blind, but you can always try even if I really couldn't to it without reading ;-)
23:58:12ddaltonwhen
23:58:37Bagderddalton: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html see the "Firmware File Format" towards the end
23:58:42ddaltonso to work out the file format do you just google for stuff and read the file with a text editor and try to see what it does?

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